Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-review-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-apps-review-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DCDE3A6BCC; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:48:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 366F33A6BCC for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:48:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.058 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.058 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.444, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_12_24=0.992, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, J_CHICKENPOX_23=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ixyPuHTHjdYZ for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scmailgw1.scop.aoyama.ac.jp (scmailgw1.scop.aoyama.ac.jp [133.2.251.194]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C3A3A6AA2 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:47:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scmse2.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (scmse2 [133.2.253.17]) by scmailgw1.scop.aoyama.ac.jp (secret/secret) with SMTP id m9N1nFQ0014653 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:49:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from (133.2.206.133) by scmse2.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp via smtp id 3925_cc281cc0_a0a4_11dd_9f3b_0014221f2a2d; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:49:15 +0900 Received: from Tanzawa.it.aoyama.ac.jp ([133.2.210.1]:58470) by itmail.it.aoyama.ac.jp with [XMail 1.22 ESMTP Server] id for from ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:41:50 +0900 Message-Id: <6.0.0.20.2.20081022191020.0779d3c8@localhost> X-Sender: duerst@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6J Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:11:19 +0900 To: Alexey Melnikov , Ross Callon From: Martin Duerst In-Reply-To: <48FEF715.6070900@isode.com> References: <3FA5F18E-195C-44AF-8119-9D76A76E2A17@standardstrack.com> <48FDB7F8.4020206@isode.com> <48FDB951.2000309@joelhalpern.com> <3525C9833C09ED418C6FD6CD9514668C04EE8F98@emailwf1.jnpr.net> <48FEF715.6070900@isode.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: apps-review@ietf.org Subject: Re: [APPS-REVIEW] [nomcom08] NOMCOM Reviews X-BeenThere: apps-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: apps-review-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: apps-review-bounces@ietf.org I'm on this list (I think I subscribed a while ago), but not on that page (http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/apps-review/). I hope there's nothing wrong with that. Regards, Martin. At 18:49 08/10/22, Alexey Melnikov wrote: >Ross Callon wrote: > >>>While this is a very sensible request, I am confused. Why doesn't Nomcom >>> >>>send out direct requests to *all* people on the apps review team - the >>> >>> >>>list is public? >>> >>> >> >>Can you send the list of email addresses, or a pointer to the URL that >>reveals the email addresses of the members of the list? The thing that >>started this email exchange was my attempt to find out who is on the >>list, and their email addresses. >Ok, I thought email addresses were listed on , but they are not. I guess all these people are in my addressbook, that is why I thought the list of email addresses is public. > >_______________________________________________ >APPS-REVIEW mailing list >APPS-REVIEW@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-review #-#-# Martin J. Du"rst, Assoc. Professor, Aoyama Gakuin University #-#-# http://www.sw.it.aoyama.ac.jp mailto:duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp _______________________________________________ APPS-REVIEW mailing list APPS-REVIEW@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-review Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-review-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-apps-review-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AEE028C144; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:03:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5AD28C144 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:02:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.573 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.573 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NgfgHHFK+3Us for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:02:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50C43A6BAC for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.2.186] (shiny.isode.com [62.3.217.250]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:04:08 +0100 Message-ID: <48FF4EE5.5000205@isode.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:03:49 +0100 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Eric Burger References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: apps-review@ietf.org Subject: Re: [APPS-REVIEW] Names to Nomcom X-BeenThere: apps-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: apps-review-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: apps-review-bounces@ietf.org Eric Burger wrote: > Nomcom has the mail list. I did not realize nomcom had special super- > secret IETF dispensation for warrant-less secret information > disclosure. Ooops - sorry I let folks know they are subject to > investigation by Nomcom. Sorry again - that was a U.S.-centric > political statement ;-) > > I guess nomcom has special investigative powers that are not well > publicized. I couldn't find the section analogous to the Patriot > Act's secret data capture provisions in RFC 3777... > > I suppose we should amend "Note Well" to include "Subscribing to an > IETF mail list may subject your e-mail address for IETF-only internal > use, beyond the mail list you have subscribed to. Trust us - it is > for your own benefit. Really." > > IMHO, this particular use really is for our benefit, but I'm > massively worried about the slippery slope we're sliding down. I agree with you. It is better to explicitly ask people. Regarding my original reply in this thread: I think I now understand why you've sent out the message that started this thread, but it could have been clearer on why you were asking for this information. > Regards, > Your way too paranoid for his own good list manager, > Eric _______________________________________________ APPS-REVIEW mailing list APPS-REVIEW@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-review Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-review-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-apps-review-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94E663A6BA4; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:49:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A02323A6B97 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:49:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.573 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.573 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E6HKglT0rD+b for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:49:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gs19.inmotionhosting.com (gs19b.inmotionhosting.com [66.117.3.189]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C44CF3A6BA2 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:49:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [75.68.119.237] (port=62157 helo=[192.168.15.103]) by gs19.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Kse6l-0005JL-0H for apps-review@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:50:43 -0700 Message-Id: From: Eric Burger To: apps-review@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:50:42 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gs19.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - standardstrack.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [APPS-REVIEW] Names to Nomcom X-BeenThere: apps-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1820551193==" Sender: apps-review-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: apps-review-bounces@ietf.org --===============1820551193== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-30--584376697; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-30--584376697 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nomcom has the mail list. I did not realize nomcom had special super- secret IETF dispensation for warrant-less secret information disclosure. Ooops - sorry I let folks know they are subject to investigation by Nomcom. Sorry again - that was a U.S.-centric political statement ;-) I guess nomcom has special investigative powers that are not well publicized. I couldn't find the section analogous to the Patriot Act's secret data capture provisions in RFC 3777... I suppose we should amend "Note Well" to include "Subscribing to an IETF mail list may subject your e-mail address for IETF-only internal use, beyond the mail list you have subscribed to. Trust us - it is for your own benefit. Really." IMHO, this particular use really is for our benefit, but I'm massively worried about the slippery slope we're sliding down. 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charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ APPS-REVIEW mailing list APPS-REVIEW@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-review --===============1820551193==-- Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-review-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-apps-review-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99CAB3A6ABF; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:20:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A933A692F; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:20:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.500, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vYT1TMT+20Iu; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bs.jck.com (ns.jck.com [209.187.148.211]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 934F13A6884; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=p3.JCK.COM) by bs.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1KsciV-00031E-Ii; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:21:35 -0400 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:21:33 -0400 From: John C Klensin To: "Joel M. Halpern" , Alexey Melnikov Message-ID: <4C23131851C429AA29A60224@p3.int.jck.com> In-Reply-To: <48FDB951.2000309@joelhalpern.com> References: <3FA5F18E-195C-44AF-8119-9D76A76E2A17@standardstrack.com> <48FDB7F8.4020206@isode.com> <48FDB951.2000309@joelhalpern.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Cc: NomCom 2008/09 , apps-review@ietf.org Subject: Re: [APPS-REVIEW] NOMCOM Reviews X-BeenThere: apps-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: apps-review-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: apps-review-bounces@ietf.org --On Tuesday, 21 October, 2008 07:13 -0400 "Joel M. Halpern" wrote: > This seems to have intersected the ongoing process rather > awkwardly. > The nomcom is in the process of putting together the feedback > requests. They will start going out very soon. > > Without being too specific about what we are doing, I think I > can reasonably say that I have been working (thorugh the IESG > liaison) with all the ADs to make sure we have the email > addresses of all the members of all the directorates. Joel, Thanks. I think that is entirely appropriate, but that you should have access to the various review teams and other groups, as well as formal directorates, if you need or want them (I'm making no recommendation as to whether you should want them or not, only that you should have the right to get and use those lists). While I'm on the subject, I do have one recommendation to make. It is possible that sitting members of the IAB or IESG (including either those who are continuing or those who are up for renewal) may have comments on their peers and/or the dynamics of how those groups function. I believe that the Nomcom's obligation of confidentiality about comments about candidates, when combined with the responsibility of the liaisons to represent their organizations and report back to them, _requires_ that you be able to offer those IAB and IESG members confidentiality about their input... confidentiality that would exclude the liaisons from those two bodies from any knowledge of the input itself. Again, the Nomcom is free under the procedures to make whatever rules it likes. However, 3777 is clear enough that the activities of the liaisons must be consistent with other requirements on the Nomcom, including the paramount requirement of confidentiality, that any leakage of the content or tone of such comments back to the relevant body --even to the liaisons themselves-- would make Nomcom results questionable on grounds of fairness and openness of input. regards, john _______________________________________________ APPS-REVIEW mailing list APPS-REVIEW@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-review Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-review-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-apps-review-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0786D3A6B94; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:48:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C6773A69E9; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:48:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.495 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.495 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.104, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XjP8NzOS2luB; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:48:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA063A6B4E; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [92.40.67.123] (92.40.67.123.sub.mbb.three.co.uk [92.40.67.123]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:49:27 +0100 Message-ID: <48FEF715.6070900@isode.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:49:09 +0100 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Ross Callon References: <3FA5F18E-195C-44AF-8119-9D76A76E2A17@standardstrack.com><48FDB7F8.4020206@isode.com> <48FDB951.2000309@joelhalpern.com> <3525C9833C09ED418C6FD6CD9514668C04EE8F98@emailwf1.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: <3525C9833C09ED418C6FD6CD9514668C04EE8F98@emailwf1.jnpr.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: NomCom 2008/09 , apps-review@ietf.org Subject: Re: [APPS-REVIEW] [nomcom08] NOMCOM Reviews X-BeenThere: apps-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: apps-review-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: apps-review-bounces@ietf.org Ross Callon wrote: >>While this is a very sensible request, I am confused. Why doesn't Nomcom >> >> >>send out direct requests to *all* people on the apps review team - the >> >> >>list is public? >> >> > >Can you send the list of email addresses, or a pointer to the URL that >reveals the email addresses of the members of the list? The thing that >started this email exchange was my attempt to find out who is on the >list, and their email addresses. > > Ok, I thought email addresses were listed on , but they are not. I guess all these people are in my addressbook, that is why I thought the list of email addresses is public. _______________________________________________ APPS-REVIEW mailing list APPS-REVIEW@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-review Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-review-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-apps-review-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 591F43A6953; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:18:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40E7E3A6AE9; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:12:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.139, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WvipluHkrl2Y; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:12:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.mail.tigertech.net (hermes.mail.tigertech.net [64.62.209.72]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42AF93A6ACE; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:12:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88030430204; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:13:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at hermes.tigertech.net Received: from [10.10.10.100] (pool-71-161-51-162.clppva.btas.verizon.net [71.161.51.162]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hermes.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B3A430201; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:13:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48FDB951.2000309@joelhalpern.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:13:21 -0400 From: "Joel M. Halpern" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexey Melnikov References: <3FA5F18E-195C-44AF-8119-9D76A76E2A17@standardstrack.com> <48FDB7F8.4020206@isode.com> In-Reply-To: <48FDB7F8.4020206@isode.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:18:53 -0700 Cc: NomCom 2008/09 , apps-review@ietf.org Subject: Re: [APPS-REVIEW] NOMCOM Reviews X-BeenThere: apps-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: apps-review-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: apps-review-bounces@ietf.org This seems to have intersected the ongoing process rather awkwardly. The nomcom is in the process of putting together the feedback requests. They will start going out very soon. Without being too specific about what we are doing, I think I can reasonably say that I have been working (thorugh the IESG liaison) with all the ADs to make sure we have the email addresses of all the members of all the directorates. Yours, Joel M. Halpern Alexey Melnikov wrote: > Eric Burger wrote: > >> Folks - >> >> The IETF needs our help. It is NOMCOM time, and NOMCOM needs input. >> This is not a call for volunteers ("everyone take one step back"). >> Rather, all you need to do is fill in some painless web pages about >> some of the nominees and some drones, so you may not really know who >> the nominees are. > > While this is a very sensible request, I am confused. Why doesn't Nomcom > send out direct requests to *all* people on the apps review team - the > list is public? > > Last year's Nomcom sent out requests to all people who chair and/or edit > documents in Apps. I personally think it worked last time. > >> Being on the Apps-Review team is a sign of your superior Applications >> knowledge and knowledge of the IETF process. Please help the IETF >> get even better. Send a note to Joel or nomcom@ietf.org if you can >> help out. It only takes a few minutes (as opposed to a 2-year hard >> labor sentence if you were on the nominated side) to help. >> >> Regards, >> Eric > > > _______________________________________________ APPS-REVIEW mailing list APPS-REVIEW@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-review Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-review-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-apps-review-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA653A6AA6; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:18:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 059CA28C15A; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:08:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.506 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.506 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.093, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mzNbON8NRnuM; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod7og107.obsmtp.com (exprod7og107.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.167]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2674728C151; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from source ([66.129.228.6]) by exprod7ob107.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:08:40 PDT Received: from emailwf1.jnpr.net ([10.10.2.33]) by p-emsmtp03.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:09:05 -0700 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:09:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3525C9833C09ED418C6FD6CD9514668C04EE8F98@emailwf1.jnpr.net> In-Reply-To: <48FDB951.2000309@joelhalpern.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [nomcom08] [APPS-REVIEW] NOMCOM Reviews Thread-Index: AckzbhxmfatgPsRNRfW4Dw0tFnZXIAAMSPWw References: <3FA5F18E-195C-44AF-8119-9D76A76E2A17@standardstrack.com><48FDB7F8.4020206@isode.com> <48FDB951.2000309@joelhalpern.com> From: "Ross Callon" To: "Alexey Melnikov" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2008 17:09:05.0324 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8FDFEC0:01C9339F] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:18:53 -0700 Cc: NomCom 2008/09 Subject: Re: [APPS-REVIEW] [nomcom08] NOMCOM Reviews X-BeenThere: apps-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: apps-review-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: apps-review-bounces@ietf.org > While this is a very sensible request, I am confused. Why doesn't Nomcom > send out direct requests to *all* people on the apps review team - the > list is public? Can you send the list of email addresses, or a pointer to the URL that reveals the email addresses of the members of the list? The thing that started this email exchange was my attempt to find out who is on the list, and their email addresses. Thanks, Ross _______________________________________________ APPS-REVIEW mailing list APPS-REVIEW@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-review Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-review-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-apps-review-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04C63A6913; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:06:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D7843A6913 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:06:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.600, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EZS9RheMzu9q for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bs.jck.com (ns.jck.com [209.187.148.211]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D0F03A6834 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=p3.JCK.COM) by bs.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1KsHsz-000FPI-4C; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:07:01 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:06:59 -0400 From: John C Klensin To: Eric Burger Message-ID: <5A7D4BD6C9549346D97A78AC@p3.int.jck.com> In-Reply-To: References: <3FA5F18E-195C-44AF-8119-9D76A76E2A17@standardstrack.com> <48FDB7F8.4020206@isode.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Cc: "Joel M. Halpern" , apps-review@ietf.org Subject: Re: [APPS-REVIEW] NOMCOM Reviews X-BeenThere: apps-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: apps-review-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: apps-review-bounces@ietf.org Eric, I have to agree with Alexey, only more strongly. The Nomcom is, by custom if not explicit rules, entitled to ask for anything IETF-related it wants and, subject to confidentiality rules, to get it. If anyone thinks that is unclear, please discuss it with Spencer and the 3777 revision committee. More important, it seems to me that asking specific people to volunteer to offer advice to the Nomcom runs the risk of distorting the process. Joel has issued the usual, pro forma, open invitation for anyone in the community to do that. But the design of the system permits the Nomcom to seek whatever advice and comments it thinks it wants from anyone from whom it thinks it wants it, and to discriminate about who it asks and who it pays attention to in any way it wants to. In my capacity as a former political scientist who used to study election and selection processes, I deplore the shift from "Nomcom has and gathers knowledge and perspective" to "Nomcom turns into a collector of polls that can then be counted and scored": the system is just not designed to work that way and, if used that way, will produce failures (and, IMO, has done so for some roles). If the Nomcom decides that you are worth asking for an opinion, they should ask you. If they want to ask your advice about who else should be asked, that is a reasonable question that you should decide how to answer. But they should then evaluate your answer, rather than blindly sending out questionnaires. And, if they need email addresses, either you should supply them or they should get them from the Secretariat. FWIW, I also believe that there has been a tendency toward every-longer questionnaires and evaluation forms in the last few years. I think that is generally a bad idea for reasons easily inferred from the above. But it has one extra consequence: especially for someone who may be asked about candidates for more than one area, the length of time that proper responses take may introduce a bias between those who are busy (presumably with critical-path IETF work) and those who have too much time on their hands, also creating an unfortunate type of prioritization that is not under Nomcom control. A different way to say that is that the Nomcom, if it wants good information, should be looking for a scalpel, not a shotgun. john --On Tuesday, 21 October, 2008 07:11 -0400 Eric Burger wrote: > Because NOMCOM doesn't have everyone's e-mail addresses, and > the list owner was hesitant to just hand over your e-mail > address for the purposes of NOMCOM when you gave it to me for > the purposes of Apps-Review. > > On Oct 21, 2008, at 7:07 AM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > >> Eric Burger wrote: >> >>> Folks - >>> >>> The IETF needs our help. It is NOMCOM time, and NOMCOM needs >>> input. This is not a call for volunteers ("everyone take >>> one step back"). Rather, all you need to do is fill in >>> some painless web pages about some of the nominees and >>> some drones, so you may not really know who the nominees >>> are. >> >> While this is a very sensible request, I am confused. Why >> doesn't Nomcom send out direct requests to *all* people on >> the apps review team - the list is public? >> >> Last year's Nomcom sent out requests to all people who chair >> and/or edit documents in Apps. I personally think it worked >> last time. >> >>> Being on the Apps-Review team is a sign of your superior >>> Applications knowledge and knowledge of the IETF process. >>> Please help the IETF get even better. Send a note to >>> Joel or nomcom@ietf.org if you can help out. It only takes >>> a few minutes (as opposed to a 2-year hard labor >>> sentence if you were on the nominated side) to help. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Eric >> >> > _______________________________________________ APPS-REVIEW mailing list APPS-REVIEW@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-review Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-review-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-apps-review-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 173953A6AB8; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:10:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D9393A6ACE for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:10:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.572 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.572 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.027, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VNbwwzUyRYfm for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gs19.inmotionhosting.com (gs19b.inmotionhosting.com [66.117.3.189]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E0D23A6A5D for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [75.68.119.237] (port=63198 helo=[192.168.15.103]) by gs19.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KsF9Z-00021A-Du; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:11:57 -0700 Message-Id: From: Eric Burger To: Alexey Melnikov In-Reply-To: <48FDB7F8.4020206@isode.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:11:55 -0400 References: <3FA5F18E-195C-44AF-8119-9D76A76E2A17@standardstrack.com> <48FDB7F8.4020206@isode.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gs19.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - standardstrack.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: apps-review@ietf.org Subject: Re: [APPS-REVIEW] NOMCOM Reviews X-BeenThere: apps-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1167391857==" Sender: apps-review-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: apps-review-bounces@ietf.org --===============1167391857== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-71--680303523; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-71--680303523 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Because NOMCOM doesn't have everyone's e-mail addresses, and the list owner was hesitant to just hand over your e-mail address for the purposes of NOMCOM when you gave it to me for the purposes of Apps- Review. On Oct 21, 2008, at 7:07 AM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > Eric Burger wrote: > >> Folks - >> >> The IETF needs our help. It is NOMCOM time, and NOMCOM needs >> input. This is not a call for volunteers ("everyone take one step >> back"). Rather, all you need to do is fill in some painless web >> pages about some of the nominees and some drones, so you may not >> really know who the nominees are. > > While this is a very sensible request, I am confused. Why doesn't > Nomcom send out direct requests to *all* people on the apps review > team - the list is public? > > Last year's Nomcom sent out requests to all people who chair and/or > edit documents in Apps. I personally think it worked last time. > >> Being on the Apps-Review team is a sign of your superior >> Applications knowledge and knowledge of the IETF process. Please >> help the IETF get even better. Send a note to Joel or nomcom@ietf.org >> if you can help out. 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charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ APPS-REVIEW mailing list APPS-REVIEW@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-review --===============1167391857==-- Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-review-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-apps-review-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75573A6901; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:06:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89A63A6901 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:06:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.569 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.569 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.030, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f6ILtcJzIiTE for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F13E3A6808 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ((unknown) [62.3.217.253]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:07:43 +0100 X-SMTP-Protocol-Errors: NORDNS Message-ID: <48FDB7F8.4020206@isode.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:07:36 +0100 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Eric Burger , "Joel M. Halpern" References: <3FA5F18E-195C-44AF-8119-9D76A76E2A17@standardstrack.com> In-Reply-To: <3FA5F18E-195C-44AF-8119-9D76A76E2A17@standardstrack.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: apps-review@ietf.org Subject: Re: [APPS-REVIEW] NOMCOM Reviews X-BeenThere: apps-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: apps-review-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: apps-review-bounces@ietf.org Eric Burger wrote: > Folks - > > The IETF needs our help. It is NOMCOM time, and NOMCOM needs input. > This is not a call for volunteers ("everyone take one step back"). > Rather, all you need to do is fill in some painless web pages about > some of the nominees and some drones, so you may not really know who > the nominees are. While this is a very sensible request, I am confused. Why doesn't Nomcom send out direct requests to *all* people on the apps review team - the list is public? Last year's Nomcom sent out requests to all people who chair and/or edit documents in Apps. I personally think it worked last time. > Being on the Apps-Review team is a sign of your superior Applications > knowledge and knowledge of the IETF process. Please help the IETF > get even better. Send a note to Joel or nomcom@ietf.org if you can > help out. It only takes a few minutes (as opposed to a 2-year hard > labor sentence if you were on the nominated side) to help. > > Regards, > Eric _______________________________________________ APPS-REVIEW mailing list APPS-REVIEW@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-review