Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 922943A6835 for ; Fri, 28 May 2010 23:07:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O2kxJ8CLbGVb for ; Fri, 28 May 2010 23:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.elandsys.com (mail.elandsys.com [208.69.177.125]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55E03A6ABE for ; Fri, 28 May 2010 23:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.233.147]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.elandsys.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o4T67KeC023125 for ; Fri, 28 May 2010 23:07:26 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1275113247; bh=epHEUK7uoJZTVy2QzkErOa/O0rk=; h=Message-Id:Date:To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=eoMsRSkKlYrX4nljCPmRHwRDhqwON5ddB9V04MxDDOvD8Z5cI26yrgISEMtKUcGSY eVoljQUEKixqR1GkxvBUbuewq9UF4QcVS8EqGJ5DcFTzsOlDuzkVeJrUTEdy2VoGVc 2d7ItViLz9c5hATW190k6UydtEvu8AWbFdT4JDw4= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20100528224256.0b169758@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 23:07:07 -0700 To: apps-review@ietf.org From: SM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [APPS-REVIEW] draft-ietf-netmod-dsdl-map-05 X-BeenThere: apps-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 06:07:39 -0000 Hello, Alexey asked for a review of draft-ietf-netmod-dsdl-map-05 [1]. One of the comments is that the whole NETCONF-data space is badly broken. As some of you have expertise in schema languages, could you take a look at YANG and NETCONF and comment on that? This is the kind of question where it is handy to tap on the IETF experience of the team members. What does the team think about going down that road? Do you have an advice on how to frame the review? For some background information on NETCONF, see RFC 3535 and draft-presuhn-rcdml-03 [2]. Regards, -sm 1. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-dsdl-map/ 2. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-presuhn-rcdml-03 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC6CD3A684A; Thu, 27 May 2010 11:42:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5oCn7BmN8KPG; Thu, 27 May 2010 11:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.elandsys.com (mail.elandsys.com [208.69.177.125]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B88113A68CF; Thu, 27 May 2010 11:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.233.214]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.elandsys.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o4RIfpsB016123; Thu, 27 May 2010 11:42:01 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1274985726; bh=eLylx4exO6ujkNMdOu8Mwk+sY0k=; h=Message-Id:Date:To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pQPrFKSWomSK9bSfBGHMtMc91K18vTrJxzcIMuNweXHzc6fhygDqdnRl4AKfQKamM MEnN05E9q1c5sY69mog8PQ75+YulQ+AOCBM2GTNvoAjv0XyF1PihFo2w5yeQiJAf5F dL7+SkU071S69GdTNop+DS7YXmBGKc8e3Pg/OZb0= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20100527105111.0989c290@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:39:56 -0700 To: apps-discuss@ietf.org From: S Moonesamy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:47:51 -0700 Subject: [APPS-REVIEW] Applications Area Review Team X-BeenThere: apps-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 18:42:18 -0000 Hello, There is an Applications Area Review Team that=20 assists the two Application Area Directors by=20 providing semi-formal reviews of Internet-Drafts=20 as a way to improve the quality of IETF=20 specifications. The team receives requests for=20 reviews from the Application Area Directors. The author of an Internet-Draft may also request=20 a review by contacting the Applications Area=20 Review Team Lead. It is advisable to have a=20 discussion of the proposal on an IETF mailing=20 list before making such a request. The members of the team are selected from the=20 IETF community and have expertise in areas such=20 as Messaging, Publishing, Internationalization,=20 Calendaring, Security, Social Networking,=20 Collaboration, Web architecture and web services,=20 Schemas, Directories, etc. The current members are: Claudio Allocchio Mark Baker Joshua Bell Marc Blanchet Eric Burger Dave Cridland Dave Crocker Martin D=FCrst Lisa Dusseault Vijay Gurbani Eran Hammer-Lahav Ted Hardie Joe Hildebrand John Klensin Murray S. Kucherawy Scott Lawrence Xiaodong Lee Eliot Lear Alexey Melnikov Enrico Marocco Mark Nottingham Glenn Parsons Julian Reschke Thomas Roessler Peter Saint-Andre Aaron Stone Henry S. Thompson Kurt Zeilenga You can find more information about the=20 Applications Area Review Team at=20 http://www.apps.ietf.org/content/applications-area-review-team Regards, S. Moonesamy On behalf of the Applications Area Review Team Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106543A6849 for ; Wed, 26 May 2010 01:05:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9lIjwRo5tkwD for ; Wed, 26 May 2010 01:05:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.elandsys.com (mail.elandsys.com [208.69.177.125]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10FBA3A689E for ; Wed, 26 May 2010 01:05:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.238.171]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.elandsys.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o4Q84xOD006387; Wed, 26 May 2010 01:05:05 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1274861106; bh=i1BoFbAzHEmDLikljbx7mHvYqv8=; h=Message-Id:Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References: Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=tip0gnx0f2rTVtvtLsITczhGaj5fOoeJmM9AUQ7tYZlNe27XEo0iqOn8NmI4/9hXU qqPQP4V1gCcwh0PNdp0odfoyq2K+Cy10dcIWvrVy59Xpzur/j6BCaWYxzQwTKgo+O6 VtCG+zxaQzO7Cu3JjeH1aiYrwL2FN70H50H2bmjE= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20100526000400.09392440@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 01:03:46 -0700 To: dcrocker@bbiw.net From: SM In-Reply-To: <4BFCBB7C.2040800@dcrocker.net> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20100519093800.0ac60198@elandnews.com> <4BFCBB7C.2040800@dcrocker.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: apps-review@ietf.org Subject: Re: [APPS-REVIEW] Applications Area Review (new) Team update X-BeenThere: apps-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 08:05:22 -0000 Hi Dave, At 23:11 25-05-10, Dave CROCKER wrote: >Having a list of topics that the Apps ADs are especially interested >would be excellent. I suggest adding whatever the current set is, >to each review query, so the reviewers do not have to recover this, >or other, postings to the list citing such items. (I'm not >suggesting tailoring the list to each review request, but making it >a standard list, leaving it to the reviewer to decide what applies >to the particular review.) Thanks, I'll follow your suggestion. The Apps ADs issues list will be interesting to work on as it can help to reduce the AD workload while providing authors with a better view on how to reduce nits before their draft is reviewed by the team. Henry S. Thompson from the W3C Technical Architecture Group will be joining the team and bring in more XML expertise. We also have Murray S. Kucherawy, MARF WG Chair, as a new team member. Best regards, -sm Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C6B3A68A3 for ; Tue, 25 May 2010 23:11:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4ZOEXYfsEvQo for ; Tue, 25 May 2010 23:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DCA13A6874 for ; Tue, 25 May 2010 23:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.13] (adsl-67-127-59-154.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.127.59.154]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o4Q6B93d018204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 25 May 2010 23:11:14 -0700 Message-ID: <4BFCBB7C.2040800@dcrocker.net> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 23:11:08 -0700 From: Dave CROCKER Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SM References: <6.2.5.6.2.20100519093800.0ac60198@elandnews.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20100519093800.0ac60198@elandnews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Tue, 25 May 2010 23:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Cc: apps-review@ietf.org Subject: Re: [APPS-REVIEW] Applications Area Review (new) Team update X-BeenThere: apps-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: Applications Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 06:11:37 -0000 On 5/19/2010 10:29 AM, SM wrote: > Alexey mentioned that he is interested in comments about: > > ABNF > Date/time > Error handling > Extensibility > Internationalization > Use of XML/XML schema > Use of URIs, etc. > > This is not the complete list of issues to look out for. Alexey and > Peter will provide a list of typical Apps Area issues so that we have a > better idea of what to look for. Having a list of topics that the Apps ADs are especially interested would be excellent. I suggest adding whatever the current set is, to each review query, so the reviewers do not have to recover this, or other, postings to the list citing such items. (I'm not suggesting tailoring the list to each review request, but making it a standard list, leaving it to the reviewer to decide what applies to the particular review.) d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D54C23A699E for ; Tue, 25 May 2010 02:46:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.215 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.215 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.216, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XZFdGkZnJt6K for ; Tue, 25 May 2010 02:46:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.elandsys.com (mail.elandsys.com [208.69.177.125]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C048D3A68CE for ; Tue, 25 May 2010 02:46:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.232.201]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.elandsys.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o4P9k8a0027884; Tue, 25 May 2010 02:46:16 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1274780779; bh=jILZNHOderKGEUfC0THEF26hkqc=; h=Message-Id:Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References: Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=4GTez8gRBeu1MVYRirRlwqzkPzscsc/tHvQ9ScwZLznyEsfS5evwIptJ1z58KgnYP TGQYftUn76cHprWelZ6dAvK8muyucxDfDtNxEMk0xAVAyTzlJVHLkxjiL2aS4P7Tao sX7YVjx5dcHSrSDRfr5Dr8g3w7LEepzI9jFKWv9Y= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20100525023703.0b4e2670@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 02:41:35 -0700 To: Thomas Roessler From: SM In-Reply-To: <9D79654B-9364-42C6-815A-FA0B91F79DA0@w3.org> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20100519093800.0ac60198@elandnews.com> <9D79654B-9364-42C6-815A-FA0B91F79DA0@w3.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: apps-review@ietf.org Subject: Re: [APPS-REVIEW] Applications Area Review (new) Team update X-BeenThere: apps-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 09:46:29 -0000 Hi Thomas, At 01:47 25-05-10, Thomas Roessler wrote: >I thought I had replied... Given current workload, I fear I'll need >to step back from review obligations (at least for now). You did. I apologize for missing your message. It is a case of an incorrect filtering rule directing the message to the wrong working group mailbox. I replied to your previous message. Let's see whether we can find a way to keep you on board. Best regards, -sm Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E83AE3A6BD7 for ; Tue, 25 May 2010 01:47:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MuNwVEYs6WoE for ; Tue, 25 May 2010 01:47:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jay.w3.org (ssh.w3.org [128.30.52.60]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F8C3A6ABA for ; Tue, 25 May 2010 01:47:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=iCoaster.does-not-exist.org) by jay.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OGpnM-0005v3-Hv; Tue, 25 May 2010 04:47:28 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by iCoaster.does-not-exist.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id L2YWF4-000BQN-5J; Tue, 25 May 2010 10:47:28 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Thomas Roessler In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20100519093800.0ac60198@elandnews.com> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 10:47:27 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9D79654B-9364-42C6-815A-FA0B91F79DA0@w3.org> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20100519093800.0ac60198@elandnews.com> To: SM X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Cc: apps-review@ietf.org Subject: Re: [APPS-REVIEW] Applications Area Review (new) Team update X-BeenThere: apps-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 08:47:43 -0000 On 19 May 2010, at 19:29, SM wrote: > I have not received any reply from the following members: >=20 > Thomas Roessler I thought I had replied... Given current workload, I fear I'll need to = step back from review obligations (at least for now). Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 777A13A6DEB for ; Mon, 24 May 2010 10:45:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.246 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.246 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.247, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u3xuXyksIxlr for ; Mon, 24 May 2010 10:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.elandsys.com (mail.elandsys.com [208.69.177.125]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D57363A6CED for ; Mon, 24 May 2010 10:45:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.232.68]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.elandsys.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o4OHiigD032424; Mon, 24 May 2010 10:44:52 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1274723094; bh=K9eSlZ3tefZcrt30xf1EJnIf6pA=; h=Message-Id:Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References: Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=I+wTC1RllsPqCYRDstxk4lsqdgVaKBv3O3Ph//5VU0dUGiKnvLCAy0Ne0QZhBdvFu wXHHkKWMgj0MNi2mbfpSlnh6mg9gdOjbmZhbxBKLRadGBlqX0cE/nLs8pVaOLVhm6M KJSbTayN7B0tAWR+CSlz2JkPkMwBpbytRlovWUDo= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20100524094544.0a5b08b8@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 10:44:19 -0700 To: apps-review@ietf.org From: SM In-Reply-To: References: <474290269.29528@cnnic.cn> <474666381.04753@cnnic.cn> <6.2.5.6.2.20100524043616.0ace0098@elandnews.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: Claudio Allocchio Subject: Re: [APPS-REVIEW] Applications Area Review (new) Team update X-BeenThere: apps-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 17:45:18 -0000 At 05:18 24-05-10, Claudio Allocchio wrote: >which client (not conforming to rfc2822) are you using? That should be RFC 5321. I asked about the MUA off-list. At 05:43 24-05-10, Eric Burger wrote: >According to the message headers, Dr. Lee is using Thunderbird >3.0.4. Possibly a MTA or firewall issue? The MTA is Postfix and it supports sub-addressing. At 06:25 24-05-10, Claudio Allocchio wrote: >I've seen similar issues in the past related to "local-part" >rewriting/handling in conjunction with database entries "searches". >To be more exact, an MTA was consulting an Oracle DB for each >local-part, and the presence of pefectly legal atext character was >generating a DB search error, which turned into an "unknown" MTA >error. The offending character in that case was "%" in an old style >poor-man-routing case. The "%" is also a SQL wildcard. At 08:46 24-05-10, John C Klensin wrote: > * some idiot writes an application that "knows" that no > special character can appear in an email local-path > address except possibly "." or "-" or applies the LDH > domain rules to the entire address, yielding the same > result. There is a view that matching 99.99% of email addresses in use is good enough. Regards, -sm Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AFC93A6A69 for ; Mon, 24 May 2010 08:46:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.443 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.443 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.444, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BrQnA0PIH8B8 for ; Mon, 24 May 2010 08:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bs.jck.com (ns.jck.com [209.187.148.211]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8127C3A6A0E for ; Mon, 24 May 2010 08:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=localhost) by bs.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1OGZr8-000ONw-Ux; Mon, 24 May 2010 11:46:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 11:46:18 -0400 From: John C Klensin To: Claudio Allocchio , SM Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <474290269.29528@cnnic.cn> <474666381.04753@cnnic.cn> <6.2.5.6.2.20100524043616.0ace0098@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: apps-review@ietf.org Subject: Re: [APPS-REVIEW] Applications Area Review (new) Team update X-BeenThere: apps-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 15:46:43 -0000 --On Monday, May 24, 2010 2:18 PM +0200 Claudio Allocchio wrote: >... > "messaging" hat on: it is really quite strange to come across > such an issue, and just "now": > > local-part = dot-atom / quoted-string / > obs-local-part > dot-atom = [CFWS] dot-atom-text [CFWS] > dot-atom-text = 1*atext *("." 1*atext) I see this all the time when any sort of web interface, or interface to a database supporting we interfaces, are concerned. Basically, "+" is taken as an escape for " ", and either: * The local part string john+ietf@jck.com turns into "john ietf@jck.com", but the quotes are absent, so it it treated as either :john " or as a syntax error. * The string "john+ietf" is matched against "john ietf", which got into the database via a web interface, and that match of course fails. * The string "john ietf" is matched against "john+ietf" in the database and that match of course fails. * some idiot writes an application that "knows" that no special character can appear in an email local-path address except possibly "." or "-" or applies the LDH domain rules to the entire address, yielding the same result. john Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A573A6B98 for ; Mon, 24 May 2010 06:25:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.881 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.881 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IEXcg2xlnyRs for ; Mon, 24 May 2010 06:25:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyrus.dir.garr.it (cyrus.dir.garr.it [193.206.158.29]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A653A6BD1 for ; Mon, 24 May 2010 06:25:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mac-allocchio3.elettra.trieste.it (mac-allocchio3.elettra.trieste.it [140.105.2.18]) by cyrus.dir.garr.it (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o4ODNxEk055934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 24 May 2010 15:23:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 15:25:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Claudio Allocchio X-X-Sender: claudio@mac-allocchio3.elettra.trieste.it To: Eric Burger In-Reply-To: <0CFAFB8C-6E0F-4C7A-97B1-DD9178CA82A7@standardstrack.com> Message-ID: References: <474290269.29528@cnnic.cn> <474666381.04753@cnnic.cn> <6.2.5.6.2.20100524043616.0ace0098@elandnews.com> <0CFAFB8C-6E0F-4C7A-97B1-DD9178CA82A7@standardstrack.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: apps-review@ietf.org Subject: Re: [APPS-REVIEW] Applications Area Review (new) Team update X-BeenThere: apps-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 13:25:25 -0000 On Mon, 24 May 2010, Eric Burger wrote: > According to the message headers, Dr. Lee is using Thunderbird 3.0.4. > Possibly a MTA or firewall issue? Hi Eric, I've seen similar issues in the past related to "local-part" rewriting/handling in conjunction with database entries "searches". To be more exact, an MTA was consulting an Oracle DB for each local-part, and the presence of pefectly legal atext character was generating a DB search error, which turned into an "unknown" MTA error. The offending character in that case was "%" in an old style poor-man-routing case. We need more info on the enviroment from Dr. Lee, I'm afraid. >> >> local-part = dot-atom / quoted-string / obs-local-part >> dot-atom = [CFWS] dot-atom-text [CFWS] >> dot-atom-text = 1*atext *("." 1*atext) >> >> and >> >> atext = ALPHA / DIGIT / ; Any character except controls, >> "!" / "#" / ; SP, and specials. >> "$" / "%" / ; Used for atoms >> "&" / "'" / >> "*" / "+" / >> "-" / "/" / >> "=" / "?" / >> "^" / "_" / >> "`" / "{" / >> "|" / "}" / >> "~" >> >> which client (not conforming to rfc2822) are you using? >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Claudio Allocchio G A R R Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it >> Senior Technical Officer >> tel: +39 040 3758523 Italian Academic and G=Claudio; S=Allocchio; >> fax: +39 040 3758565 Research Network P=garr; A=garr; C=it; >> >> PGP Key: http://www.cert.garr.it/PGP/keys.php3#ca >> _______________________________________________ >> APPS-REVIEW mailing list >> APPS-REVIEW@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-review > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claudio Allocchio G A R R Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Senior Technical Officer tel: +39 040 3758523 Italian Academic and G=Claudio; S=Allocchio; fax: +39 040 3758565 Research Network P=garr; A=garr; C=it; PGP Key: http://www.cert.garr.it/PGP/keys.php3#ca Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4087C3A6B8D for ; Mon, 24 May 2010 05:43:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.007 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.007 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.008, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jFtJvJ22UCc0 for ; Mon, 24 May 2010 05:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gs19.inmotionhosting.com (gs19.inmotionhosting.com [205.134.252.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 235F23A6B12 for ; Mon, 24 May 2010 05:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from neustargw.va.neustar.com ([209.173.53.233] helo=[10.31.32.41]) by gs19.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OGWvU-0004Jh-My; Mon, 24 May 2010 05:38:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Eric Burger In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 08:43:38 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0CFAFB8C-6E0F-4C7A-97B1-DD9178CA82A7@standardstrack.com> References: <474290269.29528@cnnic.cn> <474666381.04753@cnnic.cn> <6.2.5.6.2.20100524043616.0ace0098@elandnews.com> To: Claudio Allocchio X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gs19.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - standardstrack.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: apps-review@ietf.org Subject: Re: [APPS-REVIEW] Applications Area Review (new) Team update X-BeenThere: apps-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 12:43:54 -0000 According to the message headers, Dr. Lee is using Thunderbird 3.0.4. = Possibly a MTA or firewall issue? On May 24, 2010, at 8:18 AM, Claudio Allocchio wrote: >=20 >> At 18:59 23-05-10, Xiaodong Lee wrote: >>> I try to reply two times, but it's a pity that I cannot send email = to you email address with "+", so I send email to this list, is that a = APP issues to be focused. >>=20 >> I apologize for the email issue. I'll send you an alternate email = address off-list. >>=20 >> It's the first time I come across a report of such an issue; = excluding email address fields in web forms. As there are two specific = working groups (EAI and YAM) in the Apps Area, I would not label this as = a general APPS issue. >=20 > "messaging" hat on: it is really quite strange to come across such an = issue, and just "now": >=20 > local-part =3D dot-atom / quoted-string / obs-local-part > dot-atom =3D [CFWS] dot-atom-text [CFWS] > dot-atom-text =3D 1*atext *("." 1*atext) >=20 > and >=20 > atext =3D ALPHA / DIGIT / ; Any character except = controls, > "!" / "#" / ; SP, and specials. > "$" / "%" / ; Used for atoms > "&" / "'" / > "*" / "+" / > "-" / "/" / > "=3D" / "?" / > "^" / "_" / > "`" / "{" / > "|" / "}" / > "~" >=20 > which client (not conforming to rfc2822) are you using? >=20 > = --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- > Claudio Allocchio G A R R = Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it > Senior Technical Officer > tel: +39 040 3758523 Italian Academic and G=3DClaudio; = S=3DAllocchio; > fax: +39 040 3758565 Research Network P=3Dgarr; A=3Dgarr;= C=3Dit; >=20 > PGP Key: http://www.cert.garr.it/PGP/keys.php3#ca > _______________________________________________ > APPS-REVIEW mailing list > APPS-REVIEW@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-review Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB92C3A6E1B for ; Mon, 24 May 2010 05:19:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.881 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.881 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pyY+uPtnwM+t for ; Mon, 24 May 2010 05:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyrus.dir.garr.it (cyrus.dir.garr.it [193.206.158.29]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 512163A6E30 for ; Mon, 24 May 2010 05:19:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mac-allocchio3.elettra.trieste.it (mac-allocchio3.elettra.trieste.it [140.105.2.18]) by cyrus.dir.garr.it (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o4OCHj0O046761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 24 May 2010 14:17:46 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 14:18:57 +0200 (CEST) From: Claudio Allocchio X-X-Sender: claudio@mac-allocchio3.elettra.trieste.it To: SM In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20100524043616.0ace0098@elandnews.com> Message-ID: References: <474290269.29528@cnnic.cn> <474666381.04753@cnnic.cn> <6.2.5.6.2.20100524043616.0ace0098@elandnews.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: apps-review@ietf.org Subject: Re: [APPS-REVIEW] Applications Area Review (new) Team update X-BeenThere: apps-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 12:19:21 -0000 > At 18:59 23-05-10, Xiaodong Lee wrote: >> I try to reply two times, but it's a pity that I cannot send email to you >> email address with "+", so I send email to this list, is that a APP issues >> to be focused. > > I apologize for the email issue. I'll send you an alternate email address > off-list. > > It's the first time I come across a report of such an issue; excluding email > address fields in web forms. As there are two specific working groups (EAI > and YAM) in the Apps Area, I would not label this as a general APPS issue. "messaging" hat on: it is really quite strange to come across such an issue, and just "now": local-part = dot-atom / quoted-string / obs-local-part dot-atom = [CFWS] dot-atom-text [CFWS] dot-atom-text = 1*atext *("." 1*atext) and atext = ALPHA / DIGIT / ; Any character except controls, "!" / "#" / ; SP, and specials. "$" / "%" / ; Used for atoms "&" / "'" / "*" / "+" / "-" / "/" / "=" / "?" / "^" / "_" / "`" / "{" / "|" / "}" / "~" which client (not conforming to rfc2822) are you using? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claudio Allocchio G A R R Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Senior Technical Officer tel: +39 040 3758523 Italian Academic and G=Claudio; S=Allocchio; fax: +39 040 3758565 Research Network P=garr; A=garr; C=it; PGP Key: http://www.cert.garr.it/PGP/keys.php3#ca Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F28C63A6B30 for ; Mon, 24 May 2010 04:54:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.288 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.288 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.289, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mKUlE4ouMRBl for ; Mon, 24 May 2010 04:54:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.elandsys.com (mail.elandsys.com [208.69.177.125]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC493A6B82 for ; Mon, 24 May 2010 04:54:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.237.22]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.elandsys.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o4OBs4HG012259; Mon, 24 May 2010 04:54:12 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1274702054; bh=Ffy5GZYe131bwYtaoDVTTo4GHCw=; h=Message-Id:Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References: Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=LfZps4eVVceZ+NgQioy8fMSHiPgxpqi+F/J4poD8tvkh70MnjfzzdH8vByzandvK2 IsSYkZAtvCay+HPPVvXXG+6KkpeGd84WDNPEZrxnwVd8Y/ZXmtZA/7tv6cwTsA+X2y U2HnxyKmCrnIetl54hqVADVXkqGsyYAv/x0ozj2k= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20100524043616.0ace0098@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 04:51:47 -0700 To: lee@cnnic.cn From: SM In-Reply-To: <474666381.04753@cnnic.cn> References: <474290269.29528@cnnic.cn> <474666381.04753@cnnic.cn> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: apps-review@ietf.org Subject: Re: [APPS-REVIEW] Applications Area Review (new) Team update X-BeenThere: apps-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 11:54:29 -0000 Hi Xiaodong, Thank you for participating. At 18:59 23-05-10, Xiaodong Lee wrote: >I try to reply two times, but it's a pity that I cannot send email >to you email address with "+", so I send email to this list, is that >a APP issues to be focused. I apologize for the email issue. I'll send you an alternate email address off-list. It's the first time I come across a report of such an issue; excluding email address fields in web forms. As there are two specific working groups (EAI and YAM) in the Apps Area, I would not label this as a general APPS issue. If there are any issues sending me an email, please post a message to this mailing list. Regards, S. Moonesamy Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EB303A6961 for ; Sun, 23 May 2010 18:59:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER, Duplicate header field: "Message-ID" X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.804 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.804 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.803] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qOd0Am7zXgVZ for ; Sun, 23 May 2010 18:59:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cnnic.cn (smtp.cnnic.cn [159.226.7.146]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C80543A692C for ; Sun, 23 May 2010 18:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (eyou send program); Mon, 24 May 2010 09:59:41 +0800 Message-ID: <474666381.04753@cnnic.cn> X-EYOUMAIL-SMTPAUTH: lee@cnnic.cn Received: from unknown (HELO [218.241.109.188]) (127.0.0.1) by 127.0.0.1 with SMTP; Mon, 24 May 2010 09:59:41 +0800 Message-ID: <4BF9DD7E.8060702@cnnic.cn> Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 09:59:26 +0800 From: Xiaodong Lee Organization: CNNIC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: apps-review@ietf.org References: <474290269.29528@cnnic.cn> In-Reply-To: <474290269.29528@cnnic.cn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [APPS-REVIEW] Applications Area Review (new) Team update X-BeenThere: apps-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: lee@cnnic.cn List-Id: Applications Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 01:59:52 -0000 I try to reply two times, but it's a pity that I cannot send email to you email address with "+", so I send email to this list, is that a APP issues to be focused. Regards, Xiaodong Lee On 2010-5-20 1:29, SM wrote: > Hello, > > Eric Burger is an IAOC member. He will not asked to perform any > review until further notice due to workload. I have not updated the > Apps-area webpage yet as I don't have access to it. > > I have not received any reply from the following members: > > Harald Alvestrand > Cyrus Daboo > Reinhold Kainhofer > Yves Lafon > Xiaodong Lee > Barry Leiba > Chris Newman > Thomas Roessler > > The Applications Area Review (new) Team needs all the experience and > expertise it can get. Please contact me to confirm your participation. > > Alexey mentioned that he is interested in comments about: > > ABNF > Date/time > Error handling > Extensibility > Internationalization > Use of XML/XML schema > Use of URIs, etc. > > This is not the complete list of issues to look out for. Alexey and > Peter will provide a list of typical Apps Area issues so that we have > a better idea of what to look for. > > The main objective of the team is to assist the Apps Area Directors. > Reviews will be per-Apps AD request. The team will also accept > requests from authors to review their drafts. That will generally be > documents in IETF Last Call. > > Some of you offered to help beyond what was asked for. I really > appreciate that and I will take up your offer. > > Best regards, > -sm > > _______________________________________________ > APPS-REVIEW mailing list > APPS-REVIEW@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-review > Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44DD83A697A for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 10:31:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.107 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.107 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.108, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mnC6Tni4ri4m for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 10:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.elandsys.com (mail.elandsys.com [208.69.177.125]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E883A69D0 for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 10:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.236.206]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.elandsys.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o4JHUoMa029961 for ; Wed, 19 May 2010 10:30:56 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1274290258; bh=78ojGzKt53o3OCivy+AJcqdzu1U=; h=Message-Id:Date:To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=ImXxZ4v3sVc0PJ1euRyccF+b+rKC5FLVPXC7JgqJrVpEILhKlv0IAMpd8WXxDIBwl OcQ6cIIwizeBqVNFHnqnCrLQR6XkWGCWL6TL3BEQgId6WHVKUfquWhwgKI+ASGXCpX oik+d1mXLBdHU5PisYBOTwLjtx5JSgI/utTPadCs= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20100519093800.0ac60198@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 10:29:23 -0700 To: apps-review@ietf.org From: SM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [APPS-REVIEW] Applications Area Review (new) Team update X-BeenThere: apps-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 17:31:09 -0000 Hello, Eric Burger is an IAOC member. He will not asked to perform any review until further notice due to workload. I have not updated the Apps-area webpage yet as I don't have access to it. I have not received any reply from the following members: Harald Alvestrand Cyrus Daboo Reinhold Kainhofer Yves Lafon Xiaodong Lee Barry Leiba Chris Newman Thomas Roessler The Applications Area Review (new) Team needs all the experience and expertise it can get. Please contact me to confirm your participation. Alexey mentioned that he is interested in comments about: ABNF Date/time Error handling Extensibility Internationalization Use of XML/XML schema Use of URIs, etc. This is not the complete list of issues to look out for. Alexey and Peter will provide a list of typical Apps Area issues so that we have a better idea of what to look for. The main objective of the team is to assist the Apps Area Directors. Reviews will be per-Apps AD request. The team will also accept requests from authors to review their drafts. That will generally be documents in IETF Last Call. Some of you offered to help beyond what was asked for. I really appreciate that and I will take up your offer. Best regards, -sm Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBAEB3A6883 for ; Tue, 18 May 2010 08:40:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.143 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.143 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.144, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GffaW1G3n2KV for ; Tue, 18 May 2010 08:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.elandsys.com (mail.elandsys.com [208.69.177.125]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B57103A6BE0 for ; Tue, 18 May 2010 08:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.238.234]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.elandsys.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o4IFdikc029456; Tue, 18 May 2010 08:39:50 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1274197192; bh=5XSCX7WbQbbDwLVILzgI1+0cheA=; h=Message-Id:Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References: Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=V77dgWvLEjdeBS/oiA3rSx85LpOpyQ5Qz3GYerc/obwJAUTVIdpAPQxlhX5j/Pd4C TPe4586i18B+IynFIolQ+UOGs+neYnj/PAQGUpS3si/UCofjerKif6KjdZ16xvIvh/ yhO3b1+h/GeI0+iocpbrubFPPBbfjhkaRvVeQlns= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20100518081222.0b9772b8@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 08:38:10 -0700 To: Mark Baker From: SM In-Reply-To: <4BE84F4C.8010201@isode.com> References: <4BE84F4C.8010201@isode.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: apps-review@ietf.org Subject: Re: [APPS-REVIEW] Request for review of draft-ietf-netmod-dsdl-map-05.txt X-BeenThere: apps-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 15:40:43 -0000 Hi Mark, Alexey requested a review of=20 draft-ietf-netmod-dsdl-map-05 (=20 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-dsdl-map-05=20 ). As there aren't any team members who listed=20 DSDL expertise, I'll identify the members of the=20 Applications Area Review Team with XML expertise: 1. Mark Baker 2. Joshua Bell 3. Marc Blanchet 4. Martin D=FCrst 5. Joe Hildebrand 6. Scott Lawrence (on leave) 7. Mark Nottingham 8. Julian Reschke The request is being assigned to you as you are=20 currently at the top of the list. You can find=20 information about the author and WG in the=20 datatracker (=20 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-dsdl-map/=20 ). Previous reviews from the Apps-review Team=20 are accessible at http://www.apps.ietf.org/content/apps-review-template The review should be sent to apps-discuss, the=20 author, WG Chair and document shepherd, if=20 applicable. The subject of the email when=20 submitting the review should be "apps-team review=20 of draft-ietf-netmod-dsdl-map-05". Thanks, -sm Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8443A6D36 for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 05:09:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.06 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.06 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.061, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6HYoYTz-b9k5 for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 05:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.elandsys.com (mail.elandsys.com [208.69.177.125]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE4C28C0E6 for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 05:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.239.165]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.elandsys.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o4HC3sGm010054 for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 05:04:00 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1274097841; bh=VjaTBleMpsb1dOjw0CH3Zb3zJFc=; h=Message-Id:Date:To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=GyP83dJzRk/KXJEGa6rfcH0VizeMy8U3MGRJs1uBpluKah7HrZ4CwC4LnPocxY0nK Ye6PMkHSnO/UFwUaHlGJBN8w/fD4vxc3ddXG0e8lZ7D0gW+UW+x7PPxjW6SzijDSyS Fu6fQeID20jSnjeYjnEi/GYm8/+4MCRChSIksW6o= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20100517014517.090ec8e0@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 04:21:37 -0700 To: apps-review@ietf.org From: SM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [APPS-REVIEW] Applications Area Review (new) Team X-BeenThere: apps-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 12:09:44 -0000 Dear Applications Area Review Team, There are currently 33 members listed as part of the Applications Area Review Team. We have the two Application Area Directors, one IAB member and an outgoing Application Area Directors. I suggest using the following guidelines: 1. IESG members are placed on leave. As the team is there to assist the two Application Area Directors, that excludes the them from performing reviews. 2. Outgoing IESG members are placed on leave until the next two IETF meetings as they need a vacation. 3. IAB and IAOC members are placed on leave if they have a heavy IETF workload. Most of you are also Working Group Chairs and/or RFC authors and you are quite busy. I would like to thank you for volunteering for the Applications Area Review Team. The team relies on your participation to get the work done. I sent an email to every Applications Area Review Team member. If you have not received the email, please contact me at sm+ietf@elandsys.com. The list of members for the Applications Area Review (new) Team will be drawn from those people who have explicitly agreed to participate. I encourage everyone to do so as the team needs your expertise. I received 12 replies up to now. A team member pointed out that we could adopt a criteria to ensure a distributed and thus neutral review of I-Ds. If you have any idea on how it should be done, I am open to advice. There may be two types of requests for reviews. The first type might be for an I-D that is scheduled for the next IESG telechat while the second type might be a request from the author, for example. For the first type, the request might be received on the Thursday preceding the IESG telechat. As far as possible, please submit your review before the following Tuesday evening. The deadline for the second type is one week. If you need more time, please contact me as soon as possible. There may be requests for reviews that require more than one area of expertise. The review can be split into two or more parts if the reviewer requests it. At times, a reviewer may wish to collaborate informally with another member of the team to perform a review. If you would like to discuss about a review with the team, feel free to use the apps-review mailing list. A template for the review is available at http://www.apps.ietf.org/content/apps-review-template All reviews should be sent to apps-discuss, the author, WG Chair and document shepherd. You can search for that information at https://datatracker.ietf.org/idtracker/ The subject of the email when submitting the review should be "apps-team review of draft-name". The reviewer with the required expertise is chosen in alphabetical order sorted by last name from the list available at http://www.apps.ietf.org/content/applications-area-review-team The next reviewer in line is chosen if the need arises, i.e. neutral reviews. If I did not identify the desired expertise for the request, please point it out. It is appropriate to do so on the apps-review mailing list. Some of you might be on vacation or changing jobs. Please notify me in advance so that I can assign the review to another member of the team. Presently, it is not possible for me to estimate the number of reviews we may have to do. I hope to be able to come up with an answer within a few months. Meanwhile, we could aim to keep that to not more than one review a month. If that threshold is reached, I will need your help to add more members to the team. Scott Lawrence will not be assigned any review until the next IETF meeting. Lisa Dusseault will not be asked to perform any review until the IETF meeting this year. As John Klensin is on the IAB, I won't ask him to perform any review until further notice. Alexey Melnikov and Peter Saint-Andre are the current Application Area Directors. You can contact them if there are any issues with the work of the Applications Area Review Team or with the undersigned. If you have any comments about the above, please post them to the mailing list or email me. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions. Regards, S. Moonesamy Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A91493A6CA3 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 11:18:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qfZdULt5ObHp for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 11:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.elandsys.com (mail.elandsys.com [208.69.177.125]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF31E3A6CB2 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 11:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sm-PC.elandsys.com ([155.239.222.86]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.elandsys.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o4DIGWAX012565 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 11:16:38 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1273774600; bh=BA5hywvmYfvcikJVWYMzDhLHSlw=; h=Message-Id:Date:To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=r8v3nhAnFT7HImMfHSvcjvxYToLE18eh8VSnGsgLKCzN8lWqdPhYaM0dDp8Xs8SS5 B43E59HXLJtvhlMlXuNc7BBjFtAEac5flE6ERkdP6spANhMY/G7Cq6dCba0Dfa8j+4 HuSXwK2vg8xh8clajHBNkog8hOnDlGTnHdb4I71Q= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20100513100307.07cb20a8@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 11:05:07 -0700 To: apps-review@ietf.org From: SM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [APPS-REVIEW] Applications Area Review Team update X-BeenThere: apps-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 18:18:32 -0000 Dear Applications Area Review Team, Due to parsimonious bandwidth, I will keep this short. As you are aware, the Applications Area Review Team provides semi-formal reviews of Internet-Drafts as a way to improve the quality of IETF specifications. Peter Saint-Andre devised a template for reviews and some procedures during his tenure as Apps Review Team Leader. I won't suggest any change to that. I will send each of you an email next week to verify whether the area of expertise listed on the Applications Area Review Team is correct. Currently, a request for review is posted to the mailing list and people volunteer. I propose to change that, if the team agrees, to spread the workload. The reviewer with the required expertise is chosen in alphabetical order. If the team member is busy or on vacation, the next person in line will be asked to perform the review. Please feel free to decline if I did not choose the correct expertise required for the review. Regards, S. Moonesamy Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A17633A6452; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:25:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.092 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.092 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.093, BAYES_40=-0.185] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MoR1fFquDusl; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97DC33A6953; Wed, 12 May 2010 13:24:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [188.28.106.149] (188.28.106.149.threembb.co.uk [188.28.106.149]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Wed, 12 May 2010 21:24:48 +0100 Message-ID: <4BEB0E79.5080100@isode.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 21:24:25 +0100 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: apps-review@ietf.org References: <4BE84A03.4090101@isode.com> In-Reply-To: <4BE84A03.4090101@isode.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Apps-Discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [APPS-REVIEW] Looking for a new Apps Review Team Leader X-BeenThere: apps-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 20:25:12 -0000 Alexey Melnikov wrote: > Peter and I are looking for a new Apps Area Review Team Leader. The > main task of the Team Leader is to find suitable reviewers from the > apps-review team and to make sure that reviews are done in a timely > manner. > > If you are interested, please reply directly to Peter and myself. > > Alexey, as Apps ADs. After discussing people who volunteered, Peter and I are happy to announce that SM agreed to serve the Apps Review Team Leader. Thank you, SM! Peter and Alexey. Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E9028C20F for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 11:31:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.259 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.259 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.340, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dQHlrpEBUxll for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 11:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3CA28C252 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 11:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.2.198] (shiny.isode.com [62.3.217.250]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Mon, 10 May 2010 19:24:47 +0100 Message-ID: <4BE84F4C.8010201@isode.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 19:24:12 +0100 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: apps-review@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [APPS-REVIEW] Request for review of draft-ietf-netmod-dsdl-map-05.txt X-BeenThere: apps-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 18:31:44 -0000 Peter and I just received a request for Apps review of this document. Can anybody with DSDL experience please review this? Thanks, Alexey Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-review@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7A23A6A2D; Mon, 10 May 2010 11:02:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.334 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.334 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.594, BAYES_20=-0.74] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pbq+BkiBKQu4; Mon, 10 May 2010 11:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 657F33A69FC; Mon, 10 May 2010 11:02:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.2.198] (shiny.isode.com [62.3.217.250]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Mon, 10 May 2010 19:02:15 +0100 Message-ID: <4BE84A03.4090101@isode.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 19:01:39 +0100 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: apps-review@ietf.org, Apps-Discuss@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [APPS-REVIEW] Looking for a new Apps Review Team Leader X-BeenThere: apps-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Applications Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 18:02:40 -0000 Peter and I are looking for a new Apps Area Review Team Leader. The main task of the Team Leader is to find suitable reviewers from the apps-review team and to make sure that reviews are done in a timely manner. If you are interested, please reply directly to Peter and myself. Alexey, as Apps ADs.