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We want to invite you to join our web site where you can
find all types of surplus telecom and computer equipment.
It's a great site where you can list your own stuff and
find a lot of great deals.

 We have had thousands of listings and only been open two
and a half months!

 We suggest you come to the site and take the "Site Tour"
to find out all about it.



http://www.investmentrecoveryemall.com

You will be able to list all of your surplus equipment,
even your entire inventory if you want. Think of it, we
are advertising heavily, many people will be coming to
see what the site is all about... you can take advantage
of what we are spending on advertising - for free!               

Check it out! We are a new site and getting a lot of
attention and positive comments. Go to the site and take
the "Site Tour". It will tell you all about the site and
its benefits.

Then go ahead and register, and you can list your equip-
ment for free as a trial till August 1, 2000. Even after
the free trial, you will still be able to make use of the
site for free, like listing buy listings and viewing the
sell listings.


Sincerely,
John Ford

Investment Recovery e*Mall
40360 S Cedar Mill Rd
Lyons, OR   97358

503-859-2114  -  voice
503-859-2147  -  fax

http://www.investmentrecoveryemall.com



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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01BFD599.A2906D70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'd like to propose that the Bridge MIB WG look into using the Diffserv MIB for representing QoS in bridges. Please take a look at the ID referenced here - I hope this draft could become the basis of a standards'-track work item from this WG. Andrew **************************************************************** Andrew Smith tel: +1 (408) 579-2821 Extreme Networks fax: +1 (408) 579-3000 3585 Monroe St. http://www.extremenetworks.com Santa Clara CA 95051-1450 em: andrew@extremenetworks.com **************************************************************** -----Original Message----- From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org [mailto:Internet-Drafts@ietf.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 4:03 AM Cc: mib-wg@nnsc.nsf.net Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Management Information Base for QoS Extensions for Bridges based on the Differentiated Services Architecture Author(s) : A. Smith Filename : draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt Pages : 19 Date : 12-Jun-00 This memo describes a SMIv2 MIB module for a device implementing bridging functions with Quality-of-Service mechanisms similar to those described for the Differentiated Services Architecture [DSARCH] which are described in detail by the Differentiated Services Router Conceptual Model [MODEL]. A MIB module for routers, the Diffserv MIB [DSMIB], has been developed that uses this model. The MIB module defined in this memo is designed to work in conjunction with that module: it defines usage for objects in that module and defines some new objects specific to MAC- layer bridges (a.k.a. Layer-2 switches). Specifically, if defines layer-2 classifier and packet marking functionality. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. ------_=_NextPart_000_01BFD599.A2906D70 Content-Type: message/rfc822 To: Subject: Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:44:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01BFD599.A2906D70" ------_=_NextPart_002_01BFD599.A2906D70 Content-Type: text/plain ------_=_NextPart_002_01BFD599.A2906D70 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="ATT17824" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ATT17824" Content-type: message/external-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000612121018.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt ------_=_NextPart_002_01BFD599.A2906D70 Content-Type: message/external-body; site="internet-drafts"; dir="draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt"; mode="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp" ------_=_NextPart_002_01BFD599.A2906D70-- ------_=_NextPart_000_01BFD599.A2906D70-- From bwijnen@lucent.com Wed Jun 14 06:15:36 2000 Received: from sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com [171.69.43.88]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA14783 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 06:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-msg-av-3.cisco.com (sj-msg-av-3.cisco.com [171.69.2.19]) by sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA14039 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 02:36:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy3.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sj-msg-av-3.cisco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e5E9a4317868 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 02:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (auemail1.lucent.com [192.11.223.161]) by proxy3.cisco.com with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 02:36:04 -0700 Received: from auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA14957 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nl0006exch001h.wins.lucent.com (h135-85-76-62.lucent.com [135.85.76.62]) by auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA14511 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nl0006exch001h.nl.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:35:26 +0200 Message-ID: <2413FED0DFE6D111B3F90008C7FA61FB07AB8AA7@nl0006exch002u.nl.lucent.com> From: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" To: "Bridge Mib (E-mail)" , Andrew Smith Cc: Randy Bush Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:35:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain X-SMTP-HELO: auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: bwijnen@lucent.com X-SMAP-Received-From: outside X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: auemail1.lucent.com [192.11.223.161] Well, let us first see what the reactions are in this WG. Bert > ---------- > From: Andrew Smith[SMTP:andrew@extremenetworks.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 2:44 AM > To: Bridge Mib (E-mail) > Cc: Wijnen, Bert (Bert); Randy Bush (E-mail) > Subject: FW: I-D ACTION:draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt > > > I'd like to propose that the Bridge MIB WG look into using the Diffserv > MIB > for representing QoS in bridges. Please take a look at the ID referenced > here - I hope this draft could become the basis of a standards'-track work > item from this WG. > > Andrew > > **************************************************************** > Andrew Smith tel: +1 (408) 579-2821 > Extreme Networks fax: +1 (408) 579-3000 > 3585 Monroe St. http://www.extremenetworks.com > Santa Clara CA 95051-1450 em: andrew@extremenetworks.com > **************************************************************** > > -----Original Message----- > From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org [mailto:Internet-Drafts@ietf.org] > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 4:03 AM > Cc: mib-wg@nnsc.nsf.net > Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > > Title : Management Information Base for QoS Extensions for > Bridges based on the Differentiated Services > > Architecture > Author(s) : A. Smith > Filename : draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt > Pages : 19 > Date : 12-Jun-00 > > This memo describes a SMIv2 MIB module for a device implementing > bridging functions with Quality-of-Service mechanisms similar to those > described for the Differentiated Services Architecture [DSARCH] which > are described in detail by the Differentiated Services Router Conceptual > Model [MODEL]. A MIB module for routers, the Diffserv MIB [DSMIB], has > been developed that uses this model. The MIB module defined in this memo > is designed to work in conjunction with that module: it defines usage > for objects in that module and defines some new objects specific to MAC- > layer bridges (a.k.a. Layer-2 switches). Specifically, if defines > layer-2 classifier and packet marking functionality. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the > username > "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, > type "cd internet-drafts" and then > "get draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt". > > A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > > Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > > Send a message to: > mailserv@ietf.org. > In the body type: > "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt". > > NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this > feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" > command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or > a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > how to manipulate these messages. > > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. > > From anil@enterasys.com Wed Jun 14 11:25:42 2000 Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA25117 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-msg-av-2.cisco.com (sj-msg-av-2.cisco.com [171.71.163.110]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA06448 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy2.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sj-msg-av-2.cisco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e5EEoc219431 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:50:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ctron-dnm.ctron.com (ctron-dnm.cabletron.com [12.25.1.120]) by proxy2.cisco.com with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:50:37 -0700 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by ctron-dnm.ctron.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA10611; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(134.141.72.253) by ctron-dnm.ctron.com via smap (4.1) id xma010555; Wed, 14 Jun 00 10:50:54 -0400 Received: from ctron-exc2.ctron.com (ctron-exc2 [134.141.3.241]) by olympus.ctron.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA08681; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ctron-exc2.ctron.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:46:30 -0400 Message-ID: <6BE5C54C541BD211830B0000F84AA009F13B79@and-exc2.ctron.com> From: "Rijhsinghani, Anil" To: "Bridge Mib (E-mail)" , "'Andrew Smith'" Cc: "'Bert Wijnen'" , "Randy Bush (E-mail)" Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:46:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-SMTP-HELO: ctron-dnm.ctron.com X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: anil@enterasys.com X-SMAP-Received-From: outside X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: ctron-dnm.cabletron.com [12.25.1.120] Andrew: Can you please expand? The Bridge MIB is a collection of objects based on work done on bridging standards in 802.1. RFC 2674 already specifies objects for "Class of Service" capability based on 802.1p. I don't see how the Bridge MIB can be updated using the Diffserv MIB for QoS, or any other MIB.. it seems to me that the MIB for a bridge should be derived from the standards upon which it is built. Are you suggesting a new standard for extended functions in Bridges, to be specified by the IETF? If so, can we first run this by the 802.1 Bridge standardization working group. Regards, Anil > ---------- > From: Andrew Smith[SMTP:andrew@extremenetworks.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 8:44 PM > To: Bridge Mib (E-mail) > Cc: 'Bert Wijnen'; Randy Bush (E-mail) > Subject: FW: I-D ACTION:draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt > > <> > I'd like to propose that the Bridge MIB WG look into using the Diffserv > MIB > for representing QoS in bridges. Please take a look at the ID referenced > here - I hope this draft could become the basis of a standards'-track work > item from this WG. > > Andrew > > **************************************************************** > Andrew Smith tel: +1 (408) 579-2821 > Extreme Networks fax: +1 (408) 579-3000 > 3585 Monroe St. http://www.extremenetworks.com > Santa Clara CA 95051-1450 em: andrew@extremenetworks.com > **************************************************************** > > -----Original Message----- > From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org [mailto:Internet-Drafts@ietf.org] > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 4:03 AM > Cc: mib-wg@nnsc.nsf.net > Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > > Title : Management Information Base for QoS Extensions for > Bridges based on the Differentiated Services > > Architecture > Author(s) : A. Smith > Filename : draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt > Pages : 19 > Date : 12-Jun-00 > > This memo describes a SMIv2 MIB module for a device implementing > bridging functions with Quality-of-Service mechanisms similar to those > described for the Differentiated Services Architecture [DSARCH] which > are described in detail by the Differentiated Services Router Conceptual > Model [MODEL]. A MIB module for routers, the Diffserv MIB [DSMIB], has > been developed that uses this model. The MIB module defined in this memo > is designed to work in conjunction with that module: it defines usage > for objects in that module and defines some new objects specific to MAC- > layer bridges (a.k.a. Layer-2 switches). Specifically, if defines > layer-2 classifier and packet marking functionality. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the > username > "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, > type "cd internet-drafts" and then > "get draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt". > > A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > > Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > > Send a message to: > mailserv@ietf.org. > In the body type: > "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt". > > NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this > feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" > command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or > a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > how to manipulate these messages. > > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. > > From andrew@extremenetworks.com Wed Jun 14 11:57:48 2000 Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA26015 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-msg-av-3.cisco.com (sj-msg-av-3.cisco.com [171.69.2.19]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA01896 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy3.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sj-msg-av-3.cisco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e5EFMj920765 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sol.extremenetworks.com (sol.extremenetworks.com [216.52.8.2]) by proxy3.cisco.com with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:22:45 -0700 Received: by SOL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:19:07 -0700 Message-ID: <808F64DDB492D3119D3C00508B5D8D73033398B0@SOL> From: Andrew Smith To: "Rijhsinghani, Anil" , "Bridge Mib (E-mail)" Cc: "'Bert Wijnen'" , "Randy Bush (E-mail)" Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:19:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain X-SMTP-HELO: sol.extremenetworks.com X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: andrew@extremenetworks.com X-SMAP-Received-From: outside X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: sol.extremenetworks.com [216.52.8.2] OK, then let's call it the XXXXXBridge MIB instead if you believe that there is such a strict definition of what a "Bridge MIB" is. I think you're taking too narrow a view of what IETF should work on. I think this work item would be a pragmatic reflection of the fact that layer-2 and layer-3 "switches" are effectively one and the same thing these days (i.e. addressing and QoS are orthogonal). If you take a purist argument then you are losing site of the fact that these devices do exist in large numbers today and you would be missing an opportunity for common management standards for them. So far, IEEE 802 has not seen a need to standardise the forwarding mechanisms any further and that is fine - there are plenty of existing forwarding mechanisms defined by standards' bodies other than IEEE 802 that are equally applicable to layer-2 bridges (e.g. IETF Diffserv). In fact, if you read some of the Diffserv references that I refer to in this draft, you'll see that a 802.1p-capable layer-2 bridge falls into the definition of a Diffserv-capable device (there's nothing that says such a device has to classify trraffic based on IP-layer things). So, in this case, my proposal is "derived from the standards on which it is built". Andrew > -----Original Message----- > From: Rijhsinghani, Anil [SMTP:anil@enterasys.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 7:46 AM > To: Bridge Mib (E-mail); 'Andrew Smith' > Cc: 'Bert Wijnen'; Randy Bush (E-mail) > Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt > > Andrew: > > Can you please expand? The Bridge MIB is a collection of objects > based on work done on bridging standards in 802.1. RFC 2674 > already specifies objects for "Class of Service" capability based > on 802.1p. I don't see how the Bridge MIB can be updated using > the Diffserv MIB for QoS, or any other MIB.. it seems to > me that the MIB for a bridge should be derived from the > standards upon which it is built. Are you suggesting > a new standard for extended functions in Bridges, to be specified by > the IETF? If so, can we first run this by the 802.1 > Bridge standardization working group. > > Regards, > Anil > > > ---------- > > From: Andrew Smith[SMTP:andrew@extremenetworks.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 8:44 PM > > To: Bridge Mib (E-mail) > > Cc: 'Bert Wijnen'; Randy Bush (E-mail) > > Subject: FW: I-D ACTION:draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt > > > > <> > > I'd like to propose that the Bridge MIB WG look into using the Diffserv > > MIB > > for representing QoS in bridges. Please take a look at the ID referenced > > here - I hope this draft could become the basis of a standards'-track > work > > item from this WG. > > > > Andrew > > > > **************************************************************** > > Andrew Smith tel: +1 (408) 579-2821 > > Extreme Networks fax: +1 (408) 579-3000 > > 3585 Monroe St. http://www.extremenetworks.com > > Santa Clara CA 95051-1450 em: andrew@extremenetworks.com > > **************************************************************** > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org [mailto:Internet-Drafts@ietf.org] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 4:03 AM > > Cc: mib-wg@nnsc.nsf.net > > Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt > > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > > directories. > > > > > > Title : Management Information Base for QoS Extensions for > > Bridges based on the Differentiated Services > > > > Architecture > > Author(s) : A. Smith > > Filename : draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt > > Pages : 19 > > Date : 12-Jun-00 > > > > This memo describes a SMIv2 MIB module for a device implementing > > bridging functions with Quality-of-Service mechanisms similar to those > > described for the Differentiated Services Architecture [DSARCH] which > > are described in detail by the Differentiated Services Router Conceptual > > Model [MODEL]. A MIB module for routers, the Diffserv MIB [DSMIB], has > > been developed that uses this model. The MIB module defined in this memo > > is designed to work in conjunction with that module: it defines usage > > for objects in that module and defines some new objects specific to MAC- > > layer bridges (a.k.a. Layer-2 switches). Specifically, if defines > > layer-2 classifier and packet marking functionality. > > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the > > username > > "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, > > type "cd internet-drafts" and then > > "get draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt". > > > > A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in > > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > > > > > Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > > > > Send a message to: > > mailserv@ietf.org. > > In the body type: > > "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt". > > > > NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > > MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this > > feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" > > command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or > > a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers > > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > > how to manipulate these messages. > > > > > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > > Internet-Draft. > > > > From dromasca@lucent.com Thu Jun 15 08:14:42 2000 Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA28428 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-msg-av-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-av-1.cisco.com [171.69.11.130]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA17517 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy1.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sj-msg-av-1.cisco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e5FBgIH12176 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from itc-eml2.ta.israel.madge.com (at.lannet.com [194.90.94.231]) by proxy1.cisco.com with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:41:13 -0700 Received: by ITC-EML2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:37:55 +0200 Message-ID: <15F58915DF84D311AC7D0090279AA6141285B5@ITC-EML2> From: Dan Romascanu To: "'Andrew Smith'" , "Rijhsinghani, Anil" , "Bridge Mib (E-mail)" Cc: "'Bert Wijnen'" , "Randy Bush (E-mail)" Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:37:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-8" X-SMTP-HELO: itc-eml2.ta.israel.madge.com X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: dromasca@lucent.com X-SMAP-Received-From: outside X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: at.lannet.com [194.90.94.231] I agree with Andy's point. I think that we should not make again the semantics mistake that (IMO) delayed at least with a couple of years the standardization of the extensions to the Bridge MIB for VLANs - because we waited for the 802.1 Committee to formally complete its work. Note that this is currently an individual contribution. From a procedural point of view, we should probably name this module DiffServ-Capable Bridge MIB. If we want to make it an official work item for the Bridge MIB WG, we need to ask for Bridge MIB Charter to be updated? Andy, do you intent to propose this? The Pittsburgh meeting might be a good occasion to start this. Regards, Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Smith [SMTP:andrew@extremenetworks.com] > Sent: Wed June 14 2000 17:19 > To: Rijhsinghani, Anil; Bridge Mib (E-mail) > Cc: 'Bert Wijnen'; Randy Bush (E-mail) > Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt > > OK, then let's call it the XXXXXBridge MIB instead if you believe that > there > is such a strict definition of what a "Bridge MIB" is. I think you're > taking > too narrow a view of what IETF should work on. I think this work item > would > be a pragmatic reflection of the fact that layer-2 and layer-3 "switches" > are effectively one and the same thing these days (i.e. addressing and QoS > are orthogonal). > > If you take a purist argument then you are losing site of the fact that > these devices do exist in large numbers today and you would be missing an > opportunity for common management standards for them. So far, IEEE 802 has > not seen a need to standardise the forwarding mechanisms any further and > that is fine - there are plenty of existing forwarding mechanisms defined > by > standards' bodies other than IEEE 802 that are equally applicable to > layer-2 > bridges (e.g. IETF Diffserv). In fact, if you read some of the Diffserv > references that I refer to in this draft, you'll see that a 802.1p-capable > layer-2 bridge falls into the definition of a Diffserv-capable device > (there's nothing that says such a device has to classify trraffic based on > IP-layer things). So, in this case, my proposal is "derived from the > standards on which it is built". > > Andrew > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rijhsinghani, Anil [SMTP:anil@enterasys.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 7:46 AM > > To: Bridge Mib (E-mail); 'Andrew Smith' > > Cc: 'Bert Wijnen'; Randy Bush (E-mail) > > Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt > > > > Andrew: > > > > Can you please expand? The Bridge MIB is a collection of objects > > based on work done on bridging standards in 802.1. RFC 2674 > > already specifies objects for "Class of Service" capability based > > on 802.1p. I don't see how the Bridge MIB can be updated using > > the Diffserv MIB for QoS, or any other MIB.. it seems to > > me that the MIB for a bridge should be derived from the > > standards upon which it is built. Are you suggesting > > a new standard for extended functions in Bridges, to be specified by > > the IETF? If so, can we first run this by the 802.1 > > Bridge standardization working group. > > > > Regards, > > Anil > > > > > ---------- > > > From: Andrew Smith[SMTP:andrew@extremenetworks.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 8:44 PM > > > To: Bridge Mib (E-mail) > > > Cc: 'Bert Wijnen'; Randy Bush (E-mail) > > > Subject: FW: I-D ACTION:draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt > > > > > > <> > > > I'd like to propose that the Bridge MIB WG look into using the > Diffserv > > > MIB > > > for representing QoS in bridges. Please take a look at the ID > referenced > > > here - I hope this draft could become the basis of a standards'-track > > work > > > item from this WG. > > > > > > Andrew > > > > > > **************************************************************** > > > Andrew Smith tel: +1 (408) 579-2821 > > > Extreme Networks fax: +1 (408) 579-3000 > > > 3585 Monroe St. http://www.extremenetworks.com > > > Santa Clara CA 95051-1450 em: andrew@extremenetworks.com > > > **************************************************************** > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org [mailto:Internet-Drafts@ietf.org] > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 4:03 AM > > > Cc: mib-wg@nnsc.nsf.net > > > Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt > > > > > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > > > directories. > > > > > > > > > Title : Management Information Base for QoS Extensions for > > > Bridges based on the Differentiated Services > > > > > > Architecture > > > Author(s) : A. Smith > > > Filename : draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt > > > Pages : 19 > > > Date : 12-Jun-00 > > > > > > This memo describes a SMIv2 MIB module for a device implementing > > > bridging functions with Quality-of-Service mechanisms similar to those > > > described for the Differentiated Services Architecture [DSARCH] which > > > are described in detail by the Differentiated Services Router > Conceptual > > > Model [MODEL]. A MIB module for routers, the Diffserv MIB [DSMIB], > has > > > been developed that uses this model. The MIB module defined in this > memo > > > is designed to work in conjunction with that module: it defines usage > > > for objects in that module and defines some new objects specific to > MAC- > > > layer bridges (a.k.a. Layer-2 switches). Specifically, if defines > > > layer-2 classifier and packet marking functionality. > > > > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt > > > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the > > > username > > > "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, > > > type "cd internet-drafts" and then > > > "get draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt". > > > > > > A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in > > > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > > > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > > > > > > > > Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > > > > > > Send a message to: > > > mailserv@ietf.org. > > > In the body type: > > > "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt". > > > > > > NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > > > MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this > > > feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" > > > command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or > > > a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers > > > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > > > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split > > > up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on > > > how to manipulate these messages. > > > > > > > > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > > > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > > > Internet-Draft. > > > > > > From andrew@extremenetworks.com Thu Jun 15 13:37:37 2000 Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA09634 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-msg-av-2.cisco.com (sj-msg-av-2.cisco.com [171.71.163.110]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA27942 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:57:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy2.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sj-msg-av-2.cisco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e5FGv4715824 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sol.extremenetworks.com (sol.extremenetworks.com [216.52.8.2]) by proxy2.cisco.com with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:57:02 -0700 Received: by SOL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:51:48 -0700 Message-ID: <808F64DDB492D3119D3C00508B5D8D7303339A22@SOL> From: Andrew Smith To: Dan Romascanu , "Bridge Mib (E-mail)" Cc: "'Bert Wijnen'" , "Randy Bush (E-mail)" Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:51:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain X-SMTP-HELO: sol.extremenetworks.com X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: andrew@extremenetworks.com X-SMAP-Received-From: outside X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: sol.extremenetworks.com [216.52.8.2] Thank you Dan. Yes, this is my intent, with the support of the WG of course (or we could do a new WG but I think we might as well re-use the existing structure). I'm fine with that name/title. I wanted to see some discussion of this proposal on the Bridge MIB list (if our esteemed WG chair does not thiink this topic out of scope). If people think this a good idea, please comment on the list - that is how to gauge whether the WG thinks we should pursue this. I'd rather do this on the mailing list than at IETFmeeting if possible. Andrew > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Romascanu [SMTP:dromasca@lucent.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 5:38 AM > To: 'Andrew Smith'; Rijhsinghani, Anil; Bridge Mib (E-mail) > Cc: 'Bert Wijnen'; Randy Bush (E-mail) > Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt > > I agree with Andy's point. I think that we should not make again the > semantics mistake that (IMO) delayed at least with a couple of years the > standardization of the extensions to the Bridge MIB for VLANs - because we > waited for the 802.1 Committee to formally complete its work. > > Note that this is currently an individual contribution. From a procedural > point of view, we should probably name this module DiffServ-Capable Bridge > MIB. If we want to make it an official work item for the Bridge MIB WG, we > need to ask for Bridge MIB Charter to be updated? Andy, do you intent to > propose this? The Pittsburgh meeting might be a good occasion to start > this. > > Regards, > > Dan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andrew Smith [SMTP:andrew@extremenetworks.com] > > Sent: Wed June 14 2000 17:19 > > To: Rijhsinghani, Anil; Bridge Mib (E-mail) > > Cc: 'Bert Wijnen'; Randy Bush (E-mail) > > Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt > > > > OK, then let's call it the XXXXXBridge MIB instead if you believe that > > there > > is such a strict definition of what a "Bridge MIB" is. I think you're > > taking > > too narrow a view of what IETF should work on. I think this work item > > would > > be a pragmatic reflection of the fact that layer-2 and layer-3 > "switches" > > are effectively one and the same thing these days (i.e. addressing and > QoS > > are orthogonal). > > > > If you take a purist argument then you are losing site of the fact that > > these devices do exist in large numbers today and you would be missing > an > > opportunity for common management standards for them. So far, IEEE 802 > has > > not seen a need to standardise the forwarding mechanisms any further and > > that is fine - there are plenty of existing forwarding mechanisms > defined > > by > > standards' bodies other than IEEE 802 that are equally applicable to > > layer-2 > > bridges (e.g. IETF Diffserv). In fact, if you read some of the Diffserv > > references that I refer to in this draft, you'll see that a > 802.1p-capable > > layer-2 bridge falls into the definition of a Diffserv-capable device > > (there's nothing that says such a device has to classify trraffic based > on > > IP-layer things). So, in this case, my proposal is "derived from the > > standards on which it is built". > > > > Andrew > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rijhsinghani, Anil [SMTP:anil@enterasys.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 7:46 AM > > > To: Bridge Mib (E-mail); 'Andrew Smith' > > > Cc: 'Bert Wijnen'; Randy Bush (E-mail) > > > Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt > > > > > > Andrew: > > > > > > Can you please expand? The Bridge MIB is a collection of objects > > > based on work done on bridging standards in 802.1. RFC 2674 > > > already specifies objects for "Class of Service" capability based > > > on 802.1p. I don't see how the Bridge MIB can be updated using > > > the Diffserv MIB for QoS, or any other MIB.. it seems to > > > me that the MIB for a bridge should be derived from the > > > standards upon which it is built. Are you suggesting > > > a new standard for extended functions in Bridges, to be specified by > > > the IETF? If so, can we first run this by the 802.1 > > > Bridge standardization working group. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Anil > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > From: Andrew Smith[SMTP:andrew@extremenetworks.com] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 8:44 PM > > > > To: Bridge Mib (E-mail) > > > > Cc: 'Bert Wijnen'; Randy Bush (E-mail) > > > > Subject: FW: I-D ACTION:draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt > > > > > > > > <> > > > > I'd like to propose that the Bridge MIB WG look into using the > > Diffserv > > > > MIB > > > > for representing QoS in bridges. Please take a look at the ID > > referenced > > > > here - I hope this draft could become the basis of a > standards'-track > > > work > > > > item from this WG. > > > > > > > > Andrew > > > > > > > > **************************************************************** > > > > Andrew Smith tel: +1 (408) 579-2821 > > > > Extreme Networks fax: +1 (408) 579-3000 > > > > 3585 Monroe St. http://www.extremenetworks.com > > > > Santa Clara CA 95051-1450 em: andrew@extremenetworks.com > > > > **************************************************************** > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org [mailto:Internet-Drafts@ietf.org] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 4:03 AM > > > > Cc: mib-wg@nnsc.nsf.net > > > > Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt > > > > > > > > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > > > > directories. > > > > > > > > > > > > Title : Management Information Base for QoS > Extensions for > > > > Bridges based on the Differentiated > Services > > > > > > > > Architecture > > > > Author(s) : A. Smith > > > > Filename : draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt > > > > Pages : 19 > > > > Date : 12-Jun-00 > > > > > > > > This memo describes a SMIv2 MIB module for a device implementing > > > > bridging functions with Quality-of-Service mechanisms similar to > those > > > > described for the Differentiated Services Architecture [DSARCH] > which > > > > are described in detail by the Differentiated Services Router > > Conceptual > > > > Model [MODEL]. A MIB module for routers, the Diffserv MIB [DSMIB], > > has > > > > been developed that uses this model. The MIB module defined in this > > memo > > > > is designed to work in conjunction with that module: it defines > usage > > > > for objects in that module and defines some new objects specific to > > MAC- > > > > layer bridges (a.k.a. Layer-2 switches). Specifically, if defines > > > > layer-2 classifier and packet marking functionality. > > > > > > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > > > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt > > > > > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the > > > > username > > > > "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, > > > > type "cd internet-drafts" and then > > > > "get draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt". > > > > > > > > A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in > > > > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > > > > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > > > > > > > > > > > Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > > > > > > > > Send a message to: > > > > mailserv@ietf.org. > > > > In the body type: > > > > "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-smith-bridge-qosmib-00.txt". > > > > > > > > NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > > > > MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this > > > > feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the > "FILE" > > > > command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" > or > > > > a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail > readers > > > > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > > > > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been > split > > > > up into multiple messages), so check your local > documentation on > > > > how to manipulate these messages. > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > > > > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > > > > Internet-Draft. > > > > > > > > From peter.lewis@upperside.fr Wed Jun 21 11:24:32 2000 Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA04035 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-msg-av-2.cisco.com (sj-msg-av-2.cisco.com [171.71.163.110]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA15891 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 07:54:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy2.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sj-msg-av-2.cisco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e5LEsge03341 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 07:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp2.cluster.oleane.net (smtp2.cluster.oleane.net [195.25.12.17]) by proxy2.cisco.com with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Wed, 21 Jun 2000 07:54:42 -0700 Received: from oleane (dyn-1-1-223.Vin.dialup.oleane.fr [195.25.4.223]) by smtp2.cluster.oleane.net with SMTP id QAA03136 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:54:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <006701bfdb90$51f2bf60$7501a8c0@oleane.oleane.com> From: "Peter Lewis" To: Subject: IP Policing Conference Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:52:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0064_01BFDBA1.152001E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-SMTP-HELO: smtp2.cluster.oleane.net X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: peter.lewis@upperside.fr X-SMAP-Received-From: outside X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: smtp2.cluster.oleane.net [195.25.12.17] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01BFDBA1.152001E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SNMP/Configuration or COPS/DEN? 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From hfink@nt.hirschmann.de Mon Jun 26 10:22:52 2000 Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA06788 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-msg-av-2.cisco.com (sj-msg-av-2.cisco.com [171.71.163.110]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA22312 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 06:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy2.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sj-msg-av-2.cisco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e5QDn5218865 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 06:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hirschmann.de (gw.hirschmann.de [149.218.112.4]) by proxy2.cisco.com with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Mon, 26 Jun 2000 06:49:03 -0700 Received: from hermes.hirschmann.de ([149.218.20.85]) by gw.hirschmann.de with ESMTP id <113287>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:49:16 +0200 Received: by hermes with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:46:46 +0200 Message-ID: <90177A89C11DD311B6C600A0C9990FA80156F775@hermes> From: "Fink, Heiko" To: bridge-mib@external.cisco.com Subject: Question on reserved IEEE addresses and static address table MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:49:14 +0200 X-SMTP-HELO: hirschmann.de X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: hfink@nt.hirschmann.de X-SMAP-Received-From: outside X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: gw.hirschmann.de [149.218.112.4] Hello do somebody know if the reserved IEEE addresses (01-80-C2-00-00-00..0F) defined by 802.1D must be shown in the static address table by a switch ? 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