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-0400 Message-ID: <059c01d2dbd5$5102ca20$f3085e60$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQHPyhaoGKqqjBFBnrpIc6Fgk+fDtwIXZHAVogdaklA= Content-Language: en-us Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] Comments on draft-ietf-dots-architecture-02 X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2017 19:20:42 -0000 > I believe all the UDP usages are examples or in reference to the = requirements. I > think in addressing the transport requirements we should be able to = make a very > small adjustment here and be done with it. Okay -- that's fine...=20 > [[EDITOR=E2=80=99S NOTE: we request working group feedback and = discussion of > operational considerations relating to coordinating multiple provider = responses > to a mitigation request.]] >=20 > One problem worth mentioning here would be one "customer" > sending different redirects to multiple "providers" that result in a = permanent > routing loop. There does not seem to be any way to solve this within = the DOTS > framework that I can see, but it might be worth pointing out that this = is a > potential problem. > It sounds to me like you=E2=80=99re advocating for saying = =E2=80=9CHere be dragons, woe to you > who ignore my warning=E2=80=9D and leaving it at that, yes? I don't see another solution at this point within the protocol itself... = There may be ways to detect this sort of condition, but I don't think = they should be part of the base spec, but left to future work and = consideration if the problem comes up enough in the field to warrant the = work and complexity. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 05:27:49 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the DDoS Open Threat Signaling of the IETF. Title : Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) Data Channel Authors : Tirumaleswar Reddy Mohamed Boucadair Kaname Nishizuka Liang Xia Prashanth Patil Andrew Mortensen Nik Teague Filename : draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-01.txt Pages : 23 Date : 2017-06-05 Abstract: The document specifies a Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) data channel used for bulk exchange of data not easily or appropriately communicated through the DOTS signal channel under attack conditions. This is a companion document to the DOTS signal channel specification. 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FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; LANG:en; spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 06 Jun 2017 05:31:09.3746 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4943e38c-6dd4-428c-886d-24932bc2d5de X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: MWHPR16MB1613 X-OriginatorOrg: mcafee.com X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 15 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9418 : core <6039> : inlines <5906> : streams <1748705> : uri <2438935> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-01.txt X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 05:31:16 -0000 This revision addresses comments from Russ. -Tiru > -----Original Message----- > From: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet- > drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 10:58 AM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: dots@ietf.org > Subject: [Dots] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-01.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > This draft is a work item of the DDoS Open Threat Signaling of the IETF. >=20 > Title : Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signa= ling (DOTS) > Data Channel > Authors : Tirumaleswar Reddy > Mohamed Boucadair > Kaname Nishizuka > Liang Xia > Prashanth Patil > Andrew Mortensen > Nik Teague > Filename : draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-01.txt > Pages : 23 > Date : 2017-06-05 >=20 > Abstract: > The document specifies a Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat > Signaling (DOTS) data channel used for bulk exchange of data not > easily or appropriately communicated through the DOTS signal channel > under attack conditions. This is a companion document to the DOTS > signal channel specification. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dots-data-channel/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-01 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-01 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-dots-data-channel-01 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots From nobody Tue Jun 6 06:06:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F0912714F for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 06:06:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cert.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6y-W0BE-oQwW for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 06:06:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from veto.sei.cmu.edu (veto.sei.cmu.edu [147.72.252.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BDFF126CC7 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 06:06:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korb.sei.cmu.edu (korb.sei.cmu.edu [10.64.21.30]) by veto.sei.cmu.edu (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id v56D6dqB045172 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 09:06:39 -0400 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 veto.sei.cmu.edu v56D6dqB045172 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cert.org; s=yc2bmwvrj62m; t=1496754399; bh=u2ril5q9mMviWbeaFjMKE0UieCuV+TNTA4g1VyDo75s=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From; b=INQmegY7K3wOU/HTszUy9P22jp2d016LGLPo9wzplSkFC7NpLX8xx7k6pcrXoWr+V DZ6grVTNTCvg663FUMSvIcRBJDhAXdHJWFKy/lsHEiQ++fgdRS32QOgMYMKCtKtRce jNGk+sZRgwu0z72IKFV/5GgjDokdbyPBye+MnhI4= Received: from CASCADE.ad.sei.cmu.edu (cascade.ad.sei.cmu.edu [10.64.28.248]) by korb.sei.cmu.edu (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id v56D6co2017344 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 09:06:38 -0400 Received: from MARATHON.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([10.64.28.250]) by CASCADE.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([10.64.28.248]) with mapi id 14.03.0351.000; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 09:06:38 -0400 From: Roman Danyliw To: "'dots@ietf.org'" Thread-Topic: REMINDER: Virtual Interim Meeting: Thursday, June 8, 2017 Thread-Index: AdLexXIxH2uS3/I3R4Og/FCANe8d8w== Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 13:06:37 +0000 Message-ID: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0104F7C8E4@marathon> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.64.22.6] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Dots] REMINDER: Virtual Interim Meeting: Thursday, June 8, 2017 X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." 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ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C71412F3D0; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 09:25:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: dots@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.53.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149685272921.2555.1599551507704613397@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 09:25:29 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Dots] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dots-requirements-05.txt X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 16:25:29 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the DDoS Open Threat Signaling of the IETF. Title : Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) Open Threat Signaling Requirements Authors : Andrew Mortensen Robert Moskowitz Tirumaleswar Reddy Filename : draft-ietf-dots-requirements-05.txt Pages : 20 Date : 2017-06-07 Abstract: This document defines the requirements for the Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) protocols coordinating attack response against DDoS attacks. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dots-requirements/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-requirements-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dots-requirements-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dots-requirements-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Jun 7 09:27:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietf.org Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A03129666; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 09:27:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: dots@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.53.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149685282060.2620.10797596200877503733@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 09:27:00 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Dots] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dots-architecture-03.txt X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 16:27:01 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the DDoS Open Threat Signaling of the IETF. Title : Distributed-Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) Architecture Authors : Andrew Mortensen Flemming Andreasen Tirumaleswar Reddy Christopher Gray Rich Compton Nik Teague Filename : draft-ietf-dots-architecture-03.txt Pages : 30 Date : 2017-06-07 Abstract: This document describes an architecture for establishing and maintaining Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) within and between domains. The document does not specify protocols or protocol extensions, instead focusing on defining architectural relationships, components and concepts used in a DOTS deployment. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dots-architecture/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-architecture-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dots-architecture-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dots-architecture-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Jun 7 19:55:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A349C1200F1 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 19:54:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.903 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.903 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3e9hhhhdYDaW for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 19:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from guri.nttv6.jp (guri.nttv6.jp [115.69.228.140]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664E5127275 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 19:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z.nttv6.jp (z.nttv6.jp [IPv6:2402:c800:ff06:6::f]) by guri.nttv6.jp (NTTv6MTA) with ESMTP id A714D25F6A1 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 11:54:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from DHCP-145.nttv6.jp (fujiko.nttv6.jp [IPv6:2402:c800:ff06:136::141]) by z.nttv6.jp (NTTv6MTA) with ESMTP id 969267634F0 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 11:54:55 +0900 (JST) To: dots@ietf.org From: kaname nishizuka Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 11:56:40 +0900 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [Dots] My review of draft-ietf-dots-architecture-03 X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 02:55:00 -0000 Hi all, Much appreciate the intensive work on the draft. Here are my comments about the draft based on -03 == # 1.3 (5th item: The mitigation capacity) "In either case, the upstream DOTS server may redirect a request to another DOTS server." According to 3.2.3, DOTS server may make recursive signaling in case the mitigation capacity is insufficient. proposing text: "In either case, the upstream DOTS server may redirect or recurse a request to another DOTS server." == # 1.3 (last item: coupling of channels) "The signal and data channels may be loosely coupled, and may not terminate on the same DOTS server." From server side, can we say this? "The signal and data channels may be loosely coupled, and may not be initiated from the same DOTS client." It is clearer for me if both texts are supplied. == What do you think about supplying alternative path information form DOTS client? It will allow valid traffic to reach the attack target. Some existing solutions are providing such kind of "clean pipe" which may be a dedicated line or tunnel like GRE. I feel it requires too much specification and it's vendor specific, but it could solve looping problem related to multiple providers. == [[EDITOR’S NOTE: we request working group feedback and discussion of operational considerations relating to coordinating multiple provider responses to a mitigation request.]] Attack traffic will come from multiple ingress point if the target network is multi-homed. If the protection points are not overlapping among multiple providers, it is natural to ask for help to each provider. For example, if an enterprise is connected with ISP A and ISP B, it would want to activate the DDoS protection service of ISP A and ISP B via DOTS. However, some traffic redirection method like BGP and DNS can be overlapped among those providers. From operational point of view, the operators will avoid such kind of overlapping of the protection points but it depends on the situation and it is beyond the scope of DOTS. From nobody Wed Jun 7 23:53:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB734129B16 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 23:53:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.4 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZrUSbnWoiDcY for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 23:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.orange.com (mta136.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.70.36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2215127868 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 23:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opfednr01.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.65]) by opfednr20.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 215CF40546; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 08:53:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.19]) by opfednr01.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id F0D901A0064; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 08:53:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::60a9:abc3:86e6:2541]) by OPEXCLILM44.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::b08d:5b75:e92c:a45f%18]) with mapi id 14.03.0339.000; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 08:52:32 +0200 From: To: "Mortensen, Andrew" CC: "dots@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Dots] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dots-requirements-05.txt Thread-Index: AQHS364AtlBT9HKOIUeXg7lwzJuyZ6IahrCQ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 06:52:00 +0000 Message-ID: <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B933009FD2BDF@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <149685272921.2555.1599551507704613397@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <149685272921.2555.1599551507704613397@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.3] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dots-requirements-05.txt X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 06:53:05 -0000 Hi Andrew,=20 It seems this version does not address some of the comments I shared on the= list (please check 6 emails sent to the list on May 02). I'm fine if not all the comments were implemented, but I'd like to see some= discussion about them.=20 Thank you.=20 Cheers, Med=20 > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de internet- > drafts@ietf.org > Envoy=E9=A0: mercredi 7 juin 2017 18:25 > =C0=A0: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc=A0: dots@ietf.org > Objet=A0: [Dots] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dots-requirements-05.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the DDoS Open Threat Signaling of the IETF. >=20 > Title : Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) Open Threa= t > Signaling Requirements > Authors : Andrew Mortensen > Robert Moskowitz > Tirumaleswar Reddy > Filename : draft-ietf-dots-requirements-05.txt > Pages : 20 > Date : 2017-06-07 >=20 > Abstract: > This document defines the requirements for the Distributed Denial of > Service (DDoS) Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) protocols coordinating > attack response against DDoS attacks. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dots-requirements/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-requirements-05 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dots-requirements-05 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-dots-requirements-05 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots From nobody Thu Jun 8 01:57:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894A8129C50 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 01:57:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.003 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.003 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RFMpARWMyyb3 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 01:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.jpshallow.com (mail.jpshallow.com [217.40.240.153]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D079129BA3 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 01:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=N01332) by mail.jpshallow.com with smtps (TLSv1:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dItGK-0003CO-2V for ietf-supjps-dots@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2017 09:57:52 +0100 From: "Jon Shallow" To: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 09:57:52 +0100 Message-ID: <082701d2e035$4fb05390$ef10fab0$@jpshallow.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdLgNU9+JF1QKyQjSUGdTeIMhAPEJA== Content-Language: en-gb Archived-At: Subject: [Dots] Review of draft-ietf-dots-architecture-03 X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 08:57:55 -0000 Hi there, An observation #2 Page 8 "Filter management, which enables a DOTS client to install or remove traffic filters dropping or rate-limiting unwanted = traffic." Why would be the client installing / removing traffic filters = (presumably instructed by the DOTS server) when help is needed from = upstream? - It is possible that the DDOS client will be doing its own local = mitigation (and hence traffic filters), but that is separate from = getting help from the DOTS server. "Filter management, which enables a DOTS client to inform the DOTS = server about possible installation or removal of traffic filters dropping or rate-limiting unwanted = traffic." Regards Jon From nobody Thu Jun 8 02:31:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBDC11296C6 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 02:31:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8JJBXQd7s5oJ for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 02:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.jpshallow.com (mail.jpshallow.com [217.40.240.153]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 994CB12955A for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 02:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=N01332) by mail.jpshallow.com with smtps (TLSv1:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dItmX-0003Dd-4b for ietf-supjps-dots@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2017 10:31:09 +0100 From: "Jon Shallow" To: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 10:31:09 +0100 Message-ID: <082f01d2e039$f60535e0$e20fa1a0$@jpshallow.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdLgOfIbBDrIr6Z1RLGOqB6h1TKC7g== Content-Language: en-gb Archived-At: Subject: [Dots] Review of draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-01 X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 09:31:12 -0000 Hi there, Some comments #1 Page 3 "Filter management, which enables a DOTS client to install or remove traffic filters, dropping or rate-limiting unwanted traffic and permitting white-listed traffic. Sample use cases for populating black- or white-list filtering rules are detailed hereafter:" As in the following narrative, the DOTS client is not installing on = itself the traffic filters etc. but is informing the DOTS gateway / = server to do so - who optionally can ignore the request. I believe that = this should read "... enables a DOTS client to request the installation or removal of = traffic filters, dropping ...." Same for 3.1.3# ------ I believe that ietf-dots-data-channel-identifier should also contain = optional support for ICMP types and codes (e.g. to handle blacknurse). I believe that ietf-dots-data-channel-identifier should also contain = optional support for dropping fragmented packets. Regards Jon From nobody Thu Jun 8 02:32:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 805DB1296C6 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 02:32:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 62AeGSL3SwjM for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 02:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 66B0512955A for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 02:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml701-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DIC89112; Thu, 08 Jun 2017 09:32:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DGGEML406-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.17.50) by lhreml701-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.42) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 10:31:59 +0100 Received: from DGGEML502-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.11]) by dggeml406-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.3.17.50]) with mapi id 14.03.0301.000; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 17:31:56 +0800 From: "Xialiang (Frank)" To: "dots@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: comments on draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-01: Thread-Index: AdLgOhCBRnADQra2SvmcMndK/oxhTw== Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 09:31:54 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.134.159.76] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C02846B1344F344EB4FAA6FA7AF481F12BAEA810DGGEML502MBSchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020203.5939199B.0004, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.3.11, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 7f0289d85476a14da7c8290421cbf26a Archived-At: Subject: [Dots] comments on draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-01: X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 09:32:14 -0000 --_000_C02846B1344F344EB4FAA6FA7AF481F12BAEA810DGGEML502MBSchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I have reviewed the latest signal channel daft and think it's now in a good= shape. I also have some comments about it as below: 1. What is DOTS client identity used for coupling the signal channel = with corresponding data channel? I think current draft does not clarify its= definition and the way using it clearly. More texts are needed. 2. Why does DOTS client efficacy message have the redundant informati= on as mitigation request message? If they are the same information, it's no= t necessary. 3. Can a DOTS client have multiple signal channel sessions with a dot= s server? I don't think it's necessary. B.R. 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Hi,

I have reviewed the latest sign= al channel daft and think it’s now in a good shape. I also have some = comments about it as below:

1= .   &= nbsp;   What is DOTS client ide= ntity used for coupling the signal channel with corresponding data channel?= I think current draft does not clarify its definition and the way using it= clearly. More texts are needed.

2= .   &= nbsp;   Why does DOTS client ef= ficacy message have the redundant information as mitigation request message= ? If they are the same information, it’s not necessary.

3= .   &= nbsp;   Can a DOTS client have = multiple signal channel sessions with a dots server? I don’t think it= ’s necessary.

 

 

B.R.

Frank

--_000_C02846B1344F344EB4FAA6FA7AF481F12BAEA810DGGEML502MBSchi_-- From nobody Thu Jun 8 04:37:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F2F512EAAF for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 04:37:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.4 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Li8yvuPinYt1 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 04:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.orange.com (mta241.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.66.41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B21412EAAA for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 04:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opfedar06.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.8]) by opfedar23.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 0EB94160470; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 13:37:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.2]) by opfedar06.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id E805780E99; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 13:37:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::60a9:abc3:86e6:2541]) by OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::e92a:c932:907e:8f06%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0339.000; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 13:37:28 +0200 From: To: Jon Shallow , "dots@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Dots] Review of draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-01 Thread-Index: AdLgOfIbBDrIr6Z1RLGOqB6h1TKC7gAEAYwQ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 11:37:16 +0000 Message-ID: <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B933009FD4D04@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <082f01d2e039$f60535e0$e20fa1a0$@jpshallow.com> In-Reply-To: <082f01d2e039$f60535e0$e20fa1a0$@jpshallow.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.3] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] Review of draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-01 X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 11:37:38 -0000 Hi Jon,=20 Thank you for the comments.=20 Please see inline.=20 Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Jon Shallow > Envoy=E9=A0: jeudi 8 juin 2017 11:31 > =C0=A0: dots@ietf.org > Objet=A0: [Dots] Review of draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-01 >=20 > Hi there, >=20 > Some comments >=20 > #1 Page 3 >=20 > "Filter management, which enables a DOTS client to install or > remove traffic filters, dropping or rate-limiting unwanted traffic > and permitting white-listed traffic. Sample use cases for > populating black- or white-list filtering rules are detailed > hereafter:" >=20 > As in the following narrative, the DOTS client is not installing on itsel= f > the traffic filters etc. but is informing the DOTS gateway / server to do > so - who optionally can ignore the request. I believe that this should > read > "... enables a DOTS client to request the installation or removal of > traffic filters, dropping ...." [Med] Works for me. >=20 > Same for 3.1.3# [Med] I guess you are referring to:=20 o Filter management, which enables a DOTS client to install or remove traffic filters, dropping or rate-limiting unwanted traffic and permitting white-listed traffic. >=20 > ------ >=20 > I believe that ietf-dots-data-channel-identifier should also contain > optional support for ICMP types and codes (e.g. to handle blacknurse). >=20 [Med] ICMP is supported given that this draft relies upon I-D.ietf-netmod-a= cl-model. > I believe that ietf-dots-data-channel-identifier should also contain > optional support for dropping fragmented packets. >=20 [Med] Idem as above. > Regards >=20 > Jon >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots From nobody Thu Jun 8 05:42:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C832812EAB3 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 05:42:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iemsludM0WOb for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 05:42:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.jpshallow.com (mail.jpshallow.com [217.40.240.153]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E4967126CF6 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 05:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=N01332) by mail.jpshallow.com with smtps (TLSv1:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dIwm3-0003K5-CH for ietf-supjps-dots@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2017 13:42:51 +0100 From: "Jon Shallow" To: References: <082f01d2e039$f60535e0$e20fa1a0$@jpshallow.com> <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B933009FD4D04@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B933009FD4D04@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 13:42:51 +0100 Message-ID: <084301d2e054$bdd1e590$3975b0b0$@jpshallow.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIy9GmHXBJlv6ZOgBK8F96jvkXxsgJqnwFcoUdku7A= Content-Language: en-gb Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] Review of draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-01 X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 12:42:55 -0000 Hi Med, Thanks for your feedback.=20 Yes, you are referring to the correct entity in 3.1.3# that is confusing = in the use of the word install. In my experience if something is not specified, but can be optionally defined, then incompatible variants will start to get used causing later challenges of interoperability. So putting in a place holder hinting at = / recommending how it should be done is much more preferable for ICMP = and/or Fragmentation handling. Perhaps the appropriate augment statements = should be defined. Regards Jon -----Original Message----- From: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of mohamed.boucadair@orange.com Sent: 08 June 2017 12:37 To: Jon Shallow; dots@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Dots] Review of draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-01 Hi Jon,=20 Thank you for the comments.=20 Please see inline.=20 Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Jon Shallow=20 > Envoy=E9=A0: jeudi 8 juin 2017 11:31 =C0=A0: dots@ietf.org Objet=A0: = [Dots]=20 > Review of draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-01 >=20 > Hi there, >=20 > Some comments >=20 > #1 Page 3 >=20 > "Filter management, which enables a DOTS client to install or > remove traffic filters, dropping or rate-limiting unwanted = traffic > and permitting white-listed traffic. Sample use cases for > populating black- or white-list filtering rules are detailed > hereafter:" >=20 > As in the following narrative, the DOTS client is not installing on=20 > itself the traffic filters etc. but is informing the DOTS gateway /=20 > server to do so - who optionally can ignore the request. I believe=20 > that this should read "... enables a DOTS client to request the=20 > installation or removal of traffic filters, dropping ...." [Med] Works for me. >=20 > Same for 3.1.3# [Med] I guess you are referring to:=20 o Filter management, which enables a DOTS client to install or remove traffic filters, dropping or rate-limiting unwanted traffic and permitting white-listed traffic. >=20 > ------ >=20 > I believe that ietf-dots-data-channel-identifier should also contain=20 > optional support for ICMP types and codes (e.g. to handle blacknurse). >=20 [Med] ICMP is supported given that this draft relies upon I-D.ietf-netmod-acl-model. > I believe that ietf-dots-data-channel-identifier should also contain=20 > optional support for dropping fragmented packets. >=20 [Med] Idem as above. > Regards >=20 > Jon >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots _______________________________________________ Dots mailing list Dots@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots From nobody Thu Jun 8 10:36:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 207D7126C83 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 10:36:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cert.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nyoDpcyVh-Ts for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 10:36:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from taper.sei.cmu.edu (taper.sei.cmu.edu [147.72.252.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77754129A9F for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 10:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korb.sei.cmu.edu (korb.sei.cmu.edu [10.64.21.30]) by taper.sei.cmu.edu (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id v58HZOVI013851 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 13:35:24 -0400 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 taper.sei.cmu.edu v58HZOVI013851 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cert.org; s=yc2bmwvrj62m; t=1496943324; bh=1+J9xAmQ1heBE2K9SAfNiyBJ/qa6LlqcUlfdeGWEw/M=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From; b=RfRm0QHkNK+UM/i4cbPdJ3ulNp4jFTUnH3TZ4DcDRiwdSZwsnit8jlMrl0nSU3pCZ ma5a5XRdiRrSzShksgdIVyDU83zRELkQhEQGBOiWwpYu1HT47D1mEFxZ+oYUTiSeYG u5WVtdH7gXaFDBwSBWwDUGPOCOK8Og7cordoHxIE= Received: from CASSINA.ad.sei.cmu.edu (cassina.ad.sei.cmu.edu [10.64.28.249]) by korb.sei.cmu.edu (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id v58HZIm5000660 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 13:35:18 -0400 Received: from MARATHON.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([10.64.28.250]) by CASSINA.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([10.64.28.249]) with mapi id 14.03.0351.000; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 13:35:18 -0400 From: Roman Danyliw To: "'dots@ietf.org'" Thread-Topic: Minutes from the June 8, 2017 Virtual Interim Meeting Thread-Index: AdLgfUhyehTuAQqlT2+aQK50sia9Kw== Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 17:35:17 +0000 Message-ID: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0104F7F224@marathon> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.64.22.6] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Dots] Minutes from the June 8, 2017 Virtual Interim Meeting X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 14:56:04 -0000 --_000_MWHPR16MB1614FCF46B5722B4E2C79419EACE0MWHPR16MB1614namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Frank, Thanks for the review, Please see inline From: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Xialiang (Frank) Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 3:02 PM To: dots@ietf.org Subject: [Dots] comments on draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-01: Hi, I have reviewed the latest signal channel daft and think it's now in a good= shape. I also have some comments about it as below: 1. What is DOTS client identity used for coupling the signal channel = with corresponding data channel? I think current draft does not clarify its= definition and the way using it clearly. More texts are needed. [TR] Sure, will add more details. The DOTS client identity can be extracted= from SubjectAltName OR if EST is used by the domain operating DOTS server = to generate the DOTS client certificate then DOTS client identifier could b= e the public key in subject public key info field of the certificate. 2. Why does DOTS client efficacy message have the redundant informati= on as mitigation request message? If they are the same information, it's no= t necessary. [TR] The DOTS client efficacy is conveyed in PUT message, PUT updates the m= itigation request and hence it needs to carry all the parameters + efficacy= (see https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7252#section-5.8.3). 3. Can a DOTS client have multiple signal channel sessions with a dot= s server? I don't think it's necessary. [TR] Yup, https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-01#sec= tion-12 explains to reduce DOTS client and DOTS server workload, DOTS clien= t SHOULD re-use the (D)TLS session. Cheers, -Tiru B.R. Frank --_000_MWHPR16MB1614FCF46B5722B4E2C79419EACE0MWHPR16MB1614namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Frank,

 

Thanks for the revi= ew, Please see inline

 

From: = Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Xialiang (Frank)
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 3:02 PM
To: dots@ietf.org
Subject: [Dots] comments on draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-01:<= /o:p>

 =

Hi,

I have reviewed the latest signal channel daft and t= hink it’s now in a good shape. I also have some comments about it as = below:

1.       What is DOTS client identi= ty used for coupling the signal channel with corresponding data channel? I = think current draft does not clarify its definition and the way using it cl= early. More texts are needed.

 

[TR] Sure, will add= more details. The DOTS client identity can be extracted from SubjectAltNam= e OR if EST is used by the domain operating DOTS server to generate the DOT= S client certificate then DOTS client identifier could be the public key in subject public key info field of the= certificate.

 

2.       Why does DOTS client effic= acy message have the redundant information as mitigation request message? I= f they are the same information, it’s not necessary.

 

[TR] The DOTS clien= t efficacy is conveyed in PUT message, PUT updates the mitigation request a= nd hence it needs to carry all the parameters + efficacy (see https://t= ools.ietf.org/html/rfc7252#section-5.8.3).

 

3.       Can a DOTS client have mul= tiple signal channel sessions with a dots server? I don’t think it= 217;s necessary.

 

[TR] Yup, https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-01#section-12 explains to reduce DOTS client and DOTS server workload, DOTS client SHOU= LD re-use the (D)TLS session.

 

Cheers,<= /span>

-Tiru

 

 

B.R.

Frank

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 14:15:25 -0000 --_000_MWHPR16MB161412209DAB0B5B751DE0A1EACD0MWHPR16MB1614namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Frank, For comment#1, we can just follow the algorithm given in https://tools.ietf= .org/html/rfc7589#section-7 to extract the DOTS client identity or username= from the client certificate. -Tiru From: Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 8:24 PM To: 'Xialiang (Frank)' ; dots@ietf.org Subject: RE: comments on draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-01: Hi Frank, Thanks for the review, Please see inline From: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Xialiang (Frank) Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 3:02 PM To: dots@ietf.org Subject: [Dots] comments on draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-01: Hi, I have reviewed the latest signal channel daft and think it's now in a good= shape. I also have some comments about it as below: 1. What is DOTS client identity used for coupling the signal channel = with corresponding data channel? I think current draft does not clarify its= definition and the way using it clearly. More texts are needed. [TR] Sure, will add more details. The DOTS client identity can be extracted= from SubjectAltName OR if EST is used by the domain operating DOTS server = to generate the DOTS client certificate then DOTS client identifier could b= e the public key in subject public key info field of the certificate. 2. Why does DOTS client efficacy message have the redundant informati= on as mitigation request message? If they are the same information, it's no= t necessary. [TR] The DOTS client efficacy is conveyed in PUT message, PUT updates the m= itigation request and hence it needs to carry all the parameters + efficacy= (see https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7252#section-5.8.3). 3. Can a DOTS client have multiple signal channel sessions with a dot= s server? I don't think it's necessary. [TR] Yup, https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-01#sec= tion-12 explains to reduce DOTS client and DOTS server workload, DOTS clien= t SHOULD re-use the (D)TLS session. Cheers, -Tiru B.R. Frank --_000_MWHPR16MB161412209DAB0B5B751DE0A1EACD0MWHPR16MB1614namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Frank,

 

For comment#1, we c= an just follow the algorithm given in https://tools.iet= f.org/html/rfc7589#section-7 to extract the DOTS client identity or use= rname from the client certificate.

 

-Tiru

 

From: = Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 8:24 PM
To: 'Xialiang (Frank)' <frank.xialiang@huawei.com>; dots@ietf.= org
Subject: RE: comments on draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-01:

 =

Hi Frank,

 

Thanks for the revi= ew, Please see inline

 

From: = Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org= ] On Behalf Of Xialiang (Frank)
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 3:02 PM
To: dots@ietf.org
Subject: [Dots] comments on draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-01:<= /o:p>

 =

Hi,

I have reviewed the latest signal channel daft and t= hink it’s now in a good shape. I also have some comments about it as = below:

1.       What is DOTS client identi= ty used for coupling the signal channel with corresponding data channel? I = think current draft does not clarify its definition and the way using it cl= early. More texts are needed.

 

[TR] Sure, will add= more details. The DOTS client identity can be extracted from SubjectAltNam= e OR if EST is used by the domain operating DOTS server to generate the DOT= S client certificate then DOTS client identifier could be the public key in subject public key info field of the= certificate.

 

2.       Why does DOTS client effic= acy message have the redundant information as mitigation request message? I= f they are the same information, it’s not necessary.

 

[TR] The DOTS clien= t efficacy is conveyed in PUT message, PUT updates the mitigation request a= nd hence it needs to carry all the parameters + efficacy (see https://tools= .ietf.org/html/rfc7252#section-5.8.3).

 

3.       Can a DOTS client have mul= tiple signal channel sessions with a dots server? I don’t think it= 217;s necessary.

 

[TR] Yup, https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-01#section-12 explains to reduce DOTS client and DOTS server workload, DOTS client SHOU= LD re-use the (D)TLS session.

 

Cheers,<= /span>

-Tiru

 

 

B.R.

Frank

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 14:30:13 -0000 Hi Jon, Thanks for the review. Fixed comments 1 and 2 in my local copy. To support = filtering rules based on ICMP type and code, and filtering based on fragmen= ts, the base ACL model defined in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ne= tmod-acl-model-06 needs to be extended in this draft using augmentation (se= e https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6020#section-4.2.8).=20 I will extend the ACL YANG model in the next revision.=20 Cheers, -Tiru > -----Original Message----- > From: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jon Shallow > Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 6:13 PM > To: dots@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Dots] Review of draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-01 >=20 > Hi Med, >=20 > Thanks for your feedback. >=20 > Yes, you are referring to the correct entity in 3.1.3# that is confusing = in the > use of the word install. >=20 > In my experience if something is not specified, but can be optionally def= ined, > then incompatible variants will start to get used causing later challenge= s of > interoperability. So putting in a place holder hinting at / recommending= how > it should be done is much more preferable for ICMP and/or Fragmentation > handling. Perhaps the appropriate augment statements should be defined. >=20 > Regards >=20 > Jon >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > Sent: 08 June 2017 12:37 > To: Jon Shallow; dots@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Dots] Review of draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-01 >=20 > Hi Jon, >=20 > Thank you for the comments. >=20 > Please see inline. >=20 > Cheers, > Med >=20 > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De=A0: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Jon Shallow > > Envoy=E9=A0: jeudi 8 juin 2017 11:31 =C0=A0: dots@ietf.org Objet=A0: [D= ots] > > Review of draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-01 > > > > Hi there, > > > > Some comments > > > > #1 Page 3 > > > > "Filter management, which enables a DOTS client to install or > > remove traffic filters, dropping or rate-limiting unwanted traffi= c > > and permitting white-listed traffic. Sample use cases for > > populating black- or white-list filtering rules are detailed > > hereafter:" > > > > As in the following narrative, the DOTS client is not installing on > > itself the traffic filters etc. but is informing the DOTS gateway / > > server to do so - who optionally can ignore the request. I believe > > that this should read "... enables a DOTS client to request the > > installation or removal of traffic filters, dropping ...." >=20 > [Med] Works for me. >=20 > > > > Same for 3.1.3# >=20 > [Med] I guess you are referring to: >=20 > o Filter management, which enables a DOTS client to install or > remove traffic filters, dropping or rate-limiting unwanted traffic > and permitting white-listed traffic. >=20 > > > > ------ > > > > I believe that ietf-dots-data-channel-identifier should also contain > > optional support for ICMP types and codes (e.g. to handle blacknurse). > > > [Med] ICMP is supported given that this draft relies upon I-D.ietf-netmod= -acl- > model. >=20 >=20 > > I believe that ietf-dots-data-channel-identifier should also contain > > optional support for dropping fragmented packets. > > >=20 > [Med] Idem as above. >=20 > > Regards > > > > Jon > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dots mailing list > > Dots@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots From nobody Mon Jun 19 04:55:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B77512E858; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 04:55:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.503 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.503 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ibW6dpQaN6Nj; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 04:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-2.cisco.com (aer-iport-2.cisco.com [173.38.203.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F40812EAAB; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 04:55:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=255; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1497873318; x=1499082918; h=to:subject:cc:from:message-id:date:mime-version: content-transfer-encoding; bh=jgy+2lSywSokoAwiuZG6o30JUcoJNyMLcvQ7RVTvm20=; b=f5vqzaJFXqm/2lLJ4T1jysfGxpIbMUD9Jb9TYGgmbyZHvTyMP4tutuzV D/MZ3K7vdLukJv0XqK+b7j7PYEYtUlP4BQlx7lwDGUf7//UvqLmRGKWrf yqjGzxatHZdcfOGoThRJRJe1sAi8vXe+OTBCAjGHypdInzfQspw35gco9 I=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0DfBgAxu0dZ/xbLJq1cHAEBBAEBCgEBi?= =?us-ascii?q?TKLDKkPhiSDDxUBAgEBAQEBAQFrKIVCFUE1AiYCbAgBAYoorhCCJothAQEIKIE?= =?us-ascii?q?LhViCC4dDAQFngkaCYQEEnl6BX5IAgXABiSmGc4xEiEU1Ij9LMCEIGxWHWj6HZ?= =?us-ascii?q?4IwAQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.39,361,1493683200"; d="scan'208";a="652686477" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-4.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 19 Jun 2017 11:55:16 +0000 Received: from [10.55.221.38] (ams-bclaise-nitro5.cisco.com [10.55.221.38]) by aer-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v5JBtGm7006243; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 11:55:16 GMT To: draft-ietf-dots-data-channel@ietf.org Cc: dots@ietf.org From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: <4454b321-6e9b-dd94-6dd1-00cc099b2522@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 13:55:17 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [Dots] Mail regarding draft-ietf-dots-data-channel and draft-reddy-dots-data-channel X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 11:55:20 -0000 Hi, I guess that ietf-dots-data-channel-identifier replaces draft-reddy-dots-data-channel. If this is the case, use the "replaced-by" field in the tracker Note: I spotted it in my scripts because both have similar YANG modules. Regards, Benoit From nobody Wed Jun 21 00:37:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70331316E4 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 00:37:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SfA0m-9o-ntC for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 00:37:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.orange.com (mta241.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.66.41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E6781316E2 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 00:37:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opfedar07.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.9]) by opfedar27.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 699CF60316 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 09:37:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.75]) by opfedar07.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 516EDC00C4 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 09:37:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::60a9:abc3:86e6:2541]) by OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::65de:2f08:41e6:ebbe%18]) with mapi id 14.03.0352.000; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 09:37:28 +0200 From: To: "dots@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: I-D Action: draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHS6mCtaqzU0k/w0UiYuM2YOg9QoqIu7TyQ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 07:37:27 +0000 Message-ID: <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B933009FF59DA@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <149803039749.15932.11648774738318502348@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <149803039749.15932.11648774738318502348@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.3] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Dots] TR: I-D Action: draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming-00.txt X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 07:37:33 -0000 Dear all,=20 As agreed during our interim meeting, we prepared a draft to discuss multi-= homing DOTS considerations.=20 Questions, comments, contributions and suggestions are more than welcome. Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: I-D-Announce [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de > internet-drafts@ietf.org > Envoy=E9=A0: mercredi 21 juin 2017 09:33 > =C0=A0: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Objet=A0: I-D Action: draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming-00.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. >=20 >=20 > Title : Multi-homing Considerations for Distributed- > Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) > Authors : Mohamed Boucadair > Tirumaleswar Reddy > Filename : draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming-00.txt > Pages : 13 > Date : 2017-06-21 >=20 > Abstract: > This document discusses multi-homing considerations for Distributed- > Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS). >=20 >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming-00 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming-00 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From nobody Wed Jun 21 03:26:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietf.org Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 072F6131C0B; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 03:26:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: dots@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149804080198.15702.18418758982978399332@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 03:26:42 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Dots] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-02.txt X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 10:26:42 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the DDoS Open Threat Signaling of the IETF. Title : Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) Signal Channel Authors : Tirumaleswar Reddy Mohamed Boucadair Prashanth Patil Andrew Mortensen Nik Teague Filename : draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-02.txt Pages : 47 Date : 2017-06-21 Abstract: This document specifies the DOTS signal channel, a protocol for signaling the need for protection against Distributed Denial-of- Service (DDoS) attacks to a server capable of enabling network traffic mitigation on behalf of the requesting client. A companion document defines the DOTS data channel, a separate reliable communication layer for DOTS management and configuration. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 10:32:12 -0000 Updated draft addresses comments from Frank and fixes nits. -Tiru > -----Original Message----- > From: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet- > drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 3:57 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: dots@ietf.org > Subject: [Dots] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-02.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > This draft is a work item of the DDoS Open Threat Signaling of the IETF. >=20 > Title : Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signa= ling (DOTS) > Signal Channel > Authors : Tirumaleswar Reddy > Mohamed Boucadair > Prashanth Patil > Andrew Mortensen > Nik Teague > Filename : draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-02.txt > Pages : 47 > Date : 2017-06-21 >=20 > Abstract: > This document specifies the DOTS signal channel, a protocol for > signaling the need for protection against Distributed Denial-of- > Service (DDoS) attacks to a server capable of enabling network > traffic mitigation on behalf of the requesting client. A companion > document defines the DOTS data channel, a separate reliable > communication layer for DOTS management and configuration. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-02 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-02 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-02 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots From nobody Thu Jun 22 22:11:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietf.org Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A92B7126BF3; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 22:11:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: dots@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149819468167.17338.17562407455541540286@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 22:11:21 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Dots] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-02.txt X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 05:11:22 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the DDoS Open Threat Signaling of the IETF. Title : Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) Data Channel Authors : Tirumaleswar Reddy Mohamed Boucadair Kaname Nishizuka Liang Xia Prashanth Patil Andrew Mortensen Nik Teague Filename : draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-02.txt Pages : 25 Date : 2017-06-22 Abstract: The document specifies a Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) data channel used for bulk exchange of data not easily or appropriately communicated through the DOTS signal channel under attack conditions. This is a companion document to the DOTS signal channel specification. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dots-data-channel/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 05:19:12 -0000 This revision extends ACL YANG model to handle fragments and rate-limit act= ion. ACL YANG model in the revised https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-= netmod-acl-model-11 draft supports filtering based on ICMP type and code. -Tiru > -----Original Message----- > From: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet- > drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 10:41 AM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: dots@ietf.org > Subject: [Dots] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-02.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > This draft is a work item of the DDoS Open Threat Signaling of the IETF. >=20 > Title : Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signa= ling (DOTS) > Data Channel > Authors : Tirumaleswar Reddy > Mohamed Boucadair > Kaname Nishizuka > Liang Xia > Prashanth Patil > Andrew Mortensen > Nik Teague > Filename : draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-02.txt > Pages : 25 > Date : 2017-06-22 >=20 > Abstract: > The document specifies a Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat > Signaling (DOTS) data channel used for bulk exchange of data not > easily or appropriately communicated through the DOTS signal channel > under attack conditions. This is a companion document to the DOTS > signal channel specification. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dots-data-channel/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-02 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-02 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-dots-data-channel-02 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots From nobody Fri Jun 23 17:17:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietf.org Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D8C212EB9F; Fri, 23 Jun 2017 17:07:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: Kathleen.Moriarty.ietf@gmail.com, dots@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149826283837.7840.12898836224099223226.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 17:07:18 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Dots] dots - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 99 X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 00:07:18 -0000 Dear Roman Danyliw, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. dots Session 1 (2:00:00) Thursday, Afternoon Session II 1550-1750 Room Name: Berlin/Brussels size: 100 --------------------------------------------- Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: DDoS Open Threat Signaling Area Name: Security Area Session Requester: Roman Danyliw Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 100 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: mile i2nsf sacm saag Second Priority: opsawg opsarea People who must be present: Kathleen Moriarty Roman Danyliw Tobias Gondrom Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Tue Jun 27 04:48:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A373129476 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 04:48:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j6utUAbGXniA for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 04:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.orange.com (mta241.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.66.41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A8261242F5 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 04:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opfedar06.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.8]) by opfedar22.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id D77FE60537 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 13:48:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.41]) by opfedar06.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id C07B28006E for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 13:48:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::60a9:abc3:86e6:2541]) by OPEXCLILM31.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::2cc9:4bac:7b7d:229d%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0352.000; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 13:48:25 +0200 From: To: "dots@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: I-D Action: draft-boucadair-dots-server-discovery-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHS7zrX5NNxZBAApUmUvU3Hjuwmf6I4l2PQ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 11:48:25 +0000 Message-ID: <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B933009FFBC53@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <149856389901.14973.9591348329511390161@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <149856389901.14973.9591348329511390161@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.5] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Dots] TR: I-D Action: draft-boucadair-dots-server-discovery-00.txt X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 11:48:30 -0000 Dear all,=20 As agreed during the virtual interim meeting, we prepared a draft to specif= y the behavior to be followed by a DOTS client to discover its DOTS server(= s).=20 Comments, questions and suggestions are more than welcome.=20 Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: I-D-Announce [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de > internet-drafts@ietf.org > Envoy=E9=A0: mardi 27 juin 2017 13:45 > =C0=A0: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Objet=A0: I-D Action: draft-boucadair-dots-server-discovery-00.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. >=20 >=20 > Title : Distributed-Denial-of-Service Open Threat > Signaling (DOTS) Server Discovery > Authors : Mohamed Boucadair > Tirumaleswar Reddy > Prashanth Patil > Filename : draft-boucadair-dots-server-discovery-00.txt > Pages : 19 > Date : 2017-06-27 >=20 > Abstract: > It may not be possible for a network to determine the cause for an > attack, but instead just realize that some resources seem to be under > attack. To fill that gap, Distributed-Denial-of-Service Open Threat > Signaling (DOTS) allows a network to inform a server that it is under > a potential attack so that appropriate mitigation actions are > undertaken. >=20 > This document specifies mechanisms to configure nodes with DOTS > servers. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-boucadair-dots-server-discovery/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-dots-server-discovery-00 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-boucadair-dots-server- > discovery-00 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From nobody Thu Jun 29 21:58:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D32126CBF for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 21:58:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SgQLED0eCuWy for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 21:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from guri.nttv6.jp (guri.nttv6.jp [115.69.228.140]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D83321200CF for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 21:58:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z.nttv6.jp (z.nttv6.jp [192.168.8.15]) by guri.nttv6.jp (NTTv6MTA) with ESMTP id F1DD625F6D0 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 13:58:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from SR2-nishizuka.local (fujiko.nttv6.jp [IPv6:2402:c800:ff06:136::141]) by z.nttv6.jp (NTTv6MTA) with ESMTP id E1420763512 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 13:58:00 +0900 (JST) References: <8aafcc2d-b9df-eb50-d3e6-268584c00d03@nttv6.jp> To: "dots@ietf.org" From: kaname nishizuka X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <8aafcc2d-b9df-eb50-d3e6-268584c00d03@nttv6.jp> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 14:00:39 +0900 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8aafcc2d-b9df-eb50-d3e6-268584c00d03@nttv6.jp> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------1245F516B8FAEA142EECCAA7" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [Dots] Fwd: [hackathon] DOTS X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 04:58:04 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1245F516B8FAEA142EECCAA7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, We will attend the hackathon in Prague with the dots implementation. If you are interested in, please feel free to join us or drop in for a conversation and coffee. The code will be available at least before the hackathon event. thank you, Kaname Nishizuka -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [hackathon] DOTS Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 10:16:29 +0900 From: kaname nishizuka To: hackathon@ietf.org Hi, *DOTS* * Champion(s) o Kaname Nishizuka o Koji Okada * Project(s) o DDoS Open Threat Signaling (DOTS). + The aim of DOTS is to develop a standards based approach for the realtime signaling of DDoS related telemetry and threat handling requests and data between elements concerned with DDoS attack detection, classification, traceback, and mitigation. o We develop PoC code of the dots protocol based on the latest specifications. + The goal is to improve the code and demonstrate some of the user scenarios. + In addition to testing whether the specification of the latest drafts works well, we'd like to test interoperability with other software if there is an opportunity. * Specifications o https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-02 o https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-02 * Implementation o The code will be available at [will be opened soon] We added a new project to the list. regards, Kaname Nishizuka --------------1245F516B8FAEA142EECCAA7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hi,

We will attend the hackathon in Prague with the dots implementation.
If you are interested in, please feel free to join us or drop in for a conversation and coffee.

The code will be available at least before the hackathon event.

thank you,
Kaname Nishizuka



-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: [hackathon] DOTS
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 10:16:29 +0900
From: kaname nishizuka <kaname@nttv6.jp>
To: hackathon@ietf.org


Hi,

DOTS


We added a new project to the list.

regards,

Kaname Nishizuka

--------------1245F516B8FAEA142EECCAA7-- From nobody Fri Jun 30 11:14:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DDDB131481 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 11:14:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cert.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t_wa_hfi-MOB for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 11:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from veto.sei.cmu.edu (veto.sei.cmu.edu [147.72.252.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 552E613147F for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 11:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korb.sei.cmu.edu (korb.sei.cmu.edu [10.64.21.30]) by veto.sei.cmu.edu (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id v5UIE8Nr034461 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 14:14:09 -0400 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 veto.sei.cmu.edu v5UIE8Nr034461 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cert.org; s=yc2bmwvrj62m; t=1498846449; bh=hgK7i2meGrhlDmTs1DzxwhB2kaFQSyP1008EQW50zVo=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From; b=VHIkzM/TIeY4cIPNMmBCRlaupTmKspbENOl2I+btf32hmpUgcvkcnzUQzogW0PNX3 9e4cDWUfr6ULjEFUR+KDmRN9Ewc8VHfMzjuZcLGUEiCnAR8eBFkpRjAyuYOCobpk+m yAz6gLiqngnNFtCpqPXXm/wRkg3NWWxUZTWJdrpU= Received: from CASCADE.ad.sei.cmu.edu (cascade.ad.sei.cmu.edu [10.64.28.248]) by korb.sei.cmu.edu (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id v5UIE4jh028532 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 14:14:04 -0400 Received: from MARATHON.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([10.64.28.250]) by CASCADE.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([10.64.28.248]) with mapi id 14.03.0351.000; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 14:14:04 -0400 From: Roman Danyliw To: "'dots@ietf.org'" Thread-Topic: Proposed IETF 99 DOTS Agenda Thread-Index: AdLxyxwEdN+omT0JQhqUXvWKjswvpg== Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 18:14:03 +0000 Message-ID: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0104F93CFA@marathon> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.64.22.6] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Dots] Proposed IETF 99 DOTS Agenda X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 18:14:12 -0000 Hello WG! A proposed agenda for the IETF 99 DOTS meeting is found here: https://datat= racker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-99-dots/. If you'd like a time on the agenda or propose changes, contact the chairs. = Reports from implementers would be particularly interesting to the WG. Regards, Roman