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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, the standard is in use -- sort of -- with various modifications loc= ally (like use of a different prefix than what is assigned here in IETF).= I heard last time last week people "just saying" this is what is and sho= uld be used for routing of communication with E.164 numbers as destinatio= n in time of emergency/stress where centralized IN systems can not be rea= ched (but locally cached DNS can). So the list is silent, but there is some kind of usage. Does this "some k= ind of usage" imply something should be done? I do not know. I personally did conclude after the first couple of years of discussions = that NAPTR is incredibly stupid. Designing things to have so large RRSets= is not very optimal, so other DNS types would be better. I suggested the= simple URI. But it itself got stuck in the IETF process of creation of n= ew RRTypes, and when it finally was approved, the interest in deployment = was sort of gone :-( And people seems to have implemented NAPTR... Patrik On 2 Jul 2019, at 2:41, Livingood, Jason wrote: > So what needs to happen here? Seems indisputable that there's not much = happening on the ENUM front... > > =EF=BB=BFOn 6/27/19, 9:48 AM, "enum on behalf of Olivier Guillard / AFN= IC" wrote: > > pong :-) > > le Tuesday 15 January =C3=A0 13 H 17 , Jaap Akkerhuis a =C3=A9crit = : > > Bernie Hoeneisen writes: > > > > > Hi Jaap > > > > > > Well, there is a dependency on this list in RFC 6117... > > > > > > On the other hand, registering new ENUM services has not been = that popular > > > either for several years... > > > > > > cheers > > > Bernie (Designated Expert of the IESG and other list maintai= ner) > > > > In that case, it would make sense that you take over the maintain= ing > > of this list as well. Would you? If so, let's arrange that off-li= st. > > > > jaap > > > > _______________________________________________ > > enum mailing list > > enum@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum > > -- > Olivier > > _______________________________________________ > enum mailing list > enum@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum > > > _______________________________________________ > enum mailing list > enum@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum --=_MailMate_C543949D-9118-46DA-B850-654221555131_= Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iG0EARECAC0WIQRUH/cJI8i4DDUU3qWsxpsaC4jXzQUCXRrvGA8ccGFmQGZyb2Ji aXQuc2UACgkQrMabGguI182kqACcD5zrEB4oqlzXFScTCHC5esyK1HgAn3vOKNNd sGyhr3NjVpKlXK4KyHlB =5QrF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=_MailMate_C543949D-9118-46DA-B850-654221555131_=-- From nobody Tue Jul 2 01:18:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 444C21200B3 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 01:18:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DkckzpXI-VDo for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 01:18:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from softronics.hoeneisen.ch (softronics.hoeneisen.ch [62.2.86.178]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3E20120024 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 01:18:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by softronics.hoeneisen.ch with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hiDzC-0007Xe-5x; Tue, 02 Jul 2019 10:17:58 +0200 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 10:17:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Bernie Hoeneisen X-X-Sender: bhoeneis@softronics.hoeneisen.ch To: =?UTF-8?Q?Patrik_F=C3=A4ltstr=C3=B6m?= cc: "Livingood, Jason" , Olivier Guillard / AFNIC , Jaap Akkerhuis , IETF ENUM list In-Reply-To: <2249F1CB-D46E-40DE-88DC-4817D667A447@frobbit.se> Message-ID: References: <201901141410.x0EEAegF082526@bela.nlnetlabs.nl> <201901151217.x0FCHoCj066558@bela.nlnetlabs.nl> <20190627134744.GA18924@civette.prive.nic.fr> <2249F1CB-D46E-40DE-88DC-4817D667A447@frobbit.se> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (DEB 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; BOUNDARY="37663318-1742487168-1562055478=:19816" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: bernie@ietf.hoeneisen.ch X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on softronics.hoeneisen.ch); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Enum] 5 years since last message X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2019 08:18:09 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --37663318-1742487168-1562055478=:19816 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT I can confirm Patrik: ENUM standard is in use, somewhat, with variatians. (We occasionally even get consultancy work assigned on ENUM deployments.) What I normally see in the wild, I would certainly not call "Public User ENUM" (what we designed ENUM / RFC 6116 for). Most of the deployments are "Private Infrastructure ENUM", some are "Private User ENUM". I have not encountered any "Public User ENUM" nor "Public Intrastructure ENUM" for some time. ["Public" meaning the root is owned and/or governed by a public / official / "higly-recognized" body, e.g. governmental, ICANN, ... ; "User" meaning Enduser has control over the content of the zone belonging to his own number (as oposed to "Infrastructure" where zone is controlled by a provider).] I wonder whether my observations match with what others see in the wild. The mailing list needs to remain open. There is a mention in RFC 6117 of this list as the central place to discuss new Enumservices. Have a nice summer and c.u. (or at least some of u) in Montreal! cheers, Bernie (another former ENUM co-chair) -- http://ucom.ch/ Modern Telephony Solutions and Tech Consulting for Internet Technology On Tue, 2 Jul 2019, Patrik Fältström wrote: > Well, the standard is in use -- sort of -- with various modifications > locally (like use of a different prefix than what is assigned here in > IETF). I heard last time last week people "just saying" this is what is > and should be used for routing of communication with E.164 numbers as > destination in time of emergency/stress where centralized IN systems can > not be reached (but locally cached DNS can). > > So the list is silent, but there is some kind of usage. Does this "some > kind of usage" imply something should be done? > > I do not know. > > I personally did conclude after the first couple of years of discussions that NAPTR is incredibly stupid. Designing things to have so large RRSets is not very optimal, so other DNS types would be better. I suggested the simple URI. But it itself got stuck in the IETF process of creation of new RRTypes, and when it finally was approved, the interest in deployment was sort of gone :-( > > And people seems to have implemented NAPTR... > > Patrik > > On 2 Jul 2019, at 2:41, Livingood, Jason wrote: > >> So what needs to happen here? Seems indisputable that there's not much happening on the ENUM front... >> >> On 6/27/19, 9:48 AM, "enum on behalf of Olivier Guillard / AFNIC" wrote: >> >> pong :-) >> >> le Tuesday 15 January à 13 H 17 , Jaap Akkerhuis a écrit : >> > Bernie Hoeneisen writes: >> > >> > > Hi Jaap >> > > >> > > Well, there is a dependency on this list in RFC 6117... >> > > >> > > On the other hand, registering new ENUM services has not been that popular >> > > either for several years... >> > > >> > > cheers >> > > Bernie (Designated Expert of the IESG and other list maintainer) >> > >> > In that case, it would make sense that you take over the maintaining >> > of this list as well. Would you? If so, let's arrange that off-list. >> > >> > jaap >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > enum mailing list >> > enum@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum >> >> -- >> Olivier >> >> _______________________________________________ >> enum mailing list >> enum@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> enum mailing list >> enum@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum > --37663318-1742487168-1562055478=:19816-- From nobody Tue Jul 2 07:26:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9814120041 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 07:26:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CMBQXBDvC8Ak for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 07:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.schiefner.de (mail.schiefner.de [188.138.88.38]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5A971200CD for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 07:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p4fd31433.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([79.211.20.51] helo=[192.168.220.69]) by mail.schiefner.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hiJja-0006FC-8c; Tue, 02 Jul 2019 16:26:14 +0200 To: Bernie Hoeneisen Cc: IETF ENUM list References: <201901141410.x0EEAegF082526@bela.nlnetlabs.nl> <201901151217.x0FCHoCj066558@bela.nlnetlabs.nl> <20190627134744.GA18924@civette.prive.nic.fr> <2249F1CB-D46E-40DE-88DC-4817D667A447@frobbit.se> From: Carsten Schiefner Message-ID: <78e35dc5-c9e7-2930-e446-555dafa69956@schiefner.de> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 16:26:12 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Enum] 5 years since last message X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2019 14:26:20 -0000 Bernie, all - On 02.07.2019 10:17, Bernie Hoeneisen wrote: > [...] I have > not encountered any "Public User ENUM" nor "Public Intrastructure ENUM" > for some time. certainly no new ones, indeed. But how about: https://nrenum.net/ ? It does not fully match your definition: > ["Public" meaning the root is owned and/or governed by a public / > official / "higly-recognized" body, e.g. governmental, ICANN, ... ; > "User" meaning Enduser has control over the content of the zone > belonging to his own number (as oposed to "Infrastructure" where zone is > controlled by a provider).] of "public", though... > Have a nice summer and c.u. (or at least some of u) in Montreal! Thanks - same for you and all others here on the list! Best, -C. 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Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 2, 2019, at 10:26 AM, Carsten Schiefner wrote: >=20 > Bernie, all - >=20 >> On 02.07.2019 10:17, Bernie Hoeneisen wrote: >> [...] I have >> not encountered any "Public User ENUM" nor "Public Intrastructure ENUM" >> for some time. >=20 > certainly no new ones, indeed. >=20 > But how about: >=20 > https://nrenum.net/ >=20 > ? >=20 > It does not fully match your definition: >=20 >> ["Public" meaning the root is owned and/or governed by a public / >> official / "higly-recognized" body, e.g. governmental, ICANN, ... ; >> "User" meaning Enduser has control over the content of the zone >> belonging to his own number (as oposed to "Infrastructure" where zone is >> controlled by a provider).] >=20 > of "public", though... >=20 >> Have a nice summer and c.u. 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charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box462.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - shockey.us X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 100.36.47.17 X-Source-L: No X-Exim-ID: 1hiMKl-002PaV-F2 X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-100-36-47-17.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([192.168.1.156]) [100.36.47.17]:50776 X-Source-Auth: richard+shockey.us X-Email-Count: 3 X-Source-Cap: c2hvY2tleXU7c2hvY2tleXU7Ym94NDYyLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Enum] 5 years since last message X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2019 17:43:57 -0000 Well its still a big deal to the US Government. Its central to the FCC's sy= stem for providing telecommunications services for the hearing impaired. Th= e iTRS database still run by NeuStar BTW. It's also used in modern SIP/IMS = internal IP Interconnection schemes at multiple carriers in place of old TD= M SCP's . The FCC North American Numbering Council ( on which I sit) is t= hinking about revisiting the issue to enhance and deploy Video Calling .=20 https://www.fcc.gov/document/itrs-numbering-report-and-order https://www.fcc.gov/fcc-acts-improve-video-relay-service-and-direct-video-c= alling We took a stab at revisiting Public ENUM in the US about 5 years ago to no = consensus.=20 https://www.sipforum.org/2015/07/atis-and-sip-forum-complete-new-ip-based-n= etwork-to-network-interface-nni-technical-specification/ It still pops up from time to time. Recently in relation to all IP Intercon= nection driven by STIR/SHAKEN mandates in the US to combat robocalls and cal= ler ID spoofing. I had a nightmare one night a couple of months ago that s= omeone wanted me to restart the ENUM WG to enable 6116 over HTTPS. Now if = you think that would be a nightmare ..well the British are actively consider= ing Distributed Ledger Technology aka Hyperledger to accomplish the ENUM lik= e functions. https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/features-and-news/blockchain-te= chnology-uk-telephone-numbers =E2=80=94=20 Richard Shockey Shockey Consulting LLC Chairman of the Board SIP Forum www.shockey.us www.sipforum.org richardshockey.us Skype-Linkedin-Facebook =E2=80=93Twitter rshockey101 PSTN +1 703-593-2683 =20 =EF=BB=BFOn 7/2/19, 1:43 AM, "enum on behalf of Patrik F=C3=A4ltstr=C3=B6m" wrote: Well, the standard is in use -- sort of -- with various modifications l= ocally (like use of a different prefix than what is assigned here in IETF). = I heard last time last week people "just saying" this is what is and should = be used for routing of communication with E.164 numbers as destination in ti= me of emergency/stress where centralized IN systems can not be reached (but = locally cached DNS can). =20 So the list is silent, but there is some kind of usage. Does this "some= kind of usage" imply something should be done? =20 I do not know. =20 I personally did conclude after the first couple of years of discussion= s that NAPTR is incredibly stupid. Designing things to have so large RRSets = is not very optimal, so other DNS types would be better. I suggested the sim= ple URI. But it itself got stuck in the IETF process of creation of new RRTy= pes, and when it finally was approved, the interest in deployment was sort o= f gone :-( =20 And people seems to have implemented NAPTR... =20 Patrik =20 On 2 Jul 2019, at 2:41, Livingood, Jason wrote: =20 > So what needs to happen here? Seems indisputable that there's not muc= h happening on the ENUM front... > > =EF=BB=BFOn 6/27/19, 9:48 AM, "enum on behalf of Olivier Guillard / AFNIC" = wrote: > > pong :-) > > le Tuesday 15 January =C3=A0 13 H 17 , Jaap Akkerhuis a =C3=A9crit : > > Bernie Hoeneisen writes: > > > > > Hi Jaap > > > > > > Well, there is a dependency on this list in RFC 6117... > > > > > > On the other hand, registering new ENUM services has not bee= n that popular > > > either for several years... > > > > > > cheers > > > Bernie (Designated Expert of the IESG and other list maint= ainer) > > > > In that case, it would make sense that you take over the mainta= ining > > of this list as well. Would you? If so, let's arrange that off-= list. > > > > jaap > > > > _______________________________________________ > > enum mailing list > > enum@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum > > -- > Olivier > > _______________________________________________ > enum mailing list > enum@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum > > > _______________________________________________ > enum mailing list > enum@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum =20 From nobody Tue Jul 2 12:26:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: enum@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: enum@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE5CC120168 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 12:26:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=garr.it Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AybM1QeXiOp0 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 12:26:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyrus.dir.garr.it (cyrus.dir.garr.it [193.206.158.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F90A120044 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2019 12:26:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyrus.dir.garr.it ([10.2.2.41]) by cyrus-mailhub1.dir.garr.it (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-8) with ESMTPS id x62JQatU012976 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 2 Jul 2019 21:26:36 +0200 Received: internal info suppressed Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 21:26:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Claudio Allocchio X-X-Sender: claudio@mac-allocchio3.local To: Richard Shockey cc: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= , "Livingood, Jason" , IETF ENUM list , Olivier Guillard / AFNIC , Bernie Hoeneisen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <201901141410.x0EEAegF082526@bela.nlnetlabs.nl> <201901151217.x0FCHoCj066558@bela.nlnetlabs.nl> <20190627134744.GA18924@civette.prive.nic.fr> <2249F1CB-D46E-40DE-88DC-4817D667A447@frobbit.se> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (OSX 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=garr.it; s=cyrus; t=1562095595; bh=Ij4gOBiQfalRmjPysYEUaiaF7WpTVbppcxHaSMGQmjs=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=V2xAofkgwUCq99Vjnb/gnjRZ6f9NRfusPXUVTqcnXDFK0fe3LSAFuJYgsJo2uQi2c lOTA6ZNKOoe8N5jRMaHWukHjyKueFUMtMzwrFC0xOC/pyRfdCt1dBHB0TMG0S7mGtm t5uhyRyY/5myZD/kmFdNTFPeKelXJ0r5dqQP+TKY= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Enum] 5 years since last message X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2019 19:26:48 -0000 well... at GARR we just had a misconfiguration problem during a hardware migration for enum related services... and we got the help desk email and phone immediately receiving complaints from users unable to "dial" in services... (even if some of us was just thinking that there was nobody using it anymore). so... yes, still a useful service ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claudio Allocchio G A R R Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Senior Technical Officer tel: +39 040 3758523 Italian Academic and G=Claudio; S=Allocchio; fax: +39 040 3758565 Research Network P=garr; A=garr; C=it; PGP Key: https://www.cert.garr.it/servizi/informazioni-su-pgp-keys