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On 2012-02-01 01:48 Robert Sparks said:
> Please compare
> <https://tracker.tools.ietf.org/doc/ad/robert.sparks/>
> 
> to
> 
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/ad/robert.sparks/>
> 
> especially in the section on published RFCs.
> 
> I see one row (RFC6446) where the row has some spurious information
> about a long-past IESG telechat.

Also, as a minor point, the test instance lacks the every-other-row
background colouring which the production instance has.


Best regards,

	Henrik

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2012/2/1 Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>:
> 2012-01-31 03 (System) Placed on agenda for telechat - 2012-02-02 by system
>
> It was probably there before I did my test, but I can't tell for sure.
>
> Why is it there? The actual add to the agenda was down at row 14:
> 2012-01-19 03 Peter Saint-Andre Placed on agenda for telechat - 2012-02-02

Fixed. It was an importer bug, it didn't recognize the real history
entry. I think that's because the format has changed slightly since I
wrote that part of the importer a year ago (there used to be a "by
..." part).


Ole

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2012/2/1 Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>:
> Please compare
> <https://tracker.tools.ietf.org/doc/ad/robert.sparks/>
>
> to
>
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/ad/robert.sparks/>
>
> especially in the section on published RFCs.

Henrik, would you mind try running the
idrfc/mirror_rfc_editor_queue.py cron script? I don't import RFC
editor state information in the conversion process as it is reimported
by this script anyway.


> I see one row (RFC6446) where the row has some spurious information
> about a long-past IESG telechat.

That appears to be gone now, I think. It might have been related to
the other bug I just fixed.


Ole

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2012/2/1 Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com>:
> Also, as a minor point, the test instance lacks the every-other-row
> background colouring which the production instance has.

This one turned out to be a backwards-incompatible change in Django
1.2 with the cycle tag in included files.

Ole

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Hi Ole,

On 2012-02-01 18:12 Ole Laursen said the following:
> 2012/2/1 Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>:
>> Please compare
>> <https://tracker.tools.ietf.org/doc/ad/robert.sparks/>
>>
>> to
>>
>> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/ad/robert.sparks/>
>>
>> especially in the section on published RFCs.
> 
> Henrik, would you mind try running the
> idrfc/mirror_rfc_editor_queue.py cron script? I don't import RFC
> editor state information in the conversion process as it is reimported
> by this script anyway.

Aha.  Ok, then I guess I need to add that to the database-update script,
so it's run regularly for the test instance.

>> I see one row (RFC6446) where the row has some spurious information
>> about a long-past IESG telechat.
> 
> That appears to be gone now, I think. It might have been related to
> the other bug I just fixed.

Appears so.


Best regards,

	Henrik

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On 2012-02-01 18:15 Ole Laursen said the following:
> 2012/2/1 Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com>:
>> Also, as a minor point, the test instance lacks the every-other-row
>> background colouring which the production instance has.
> 
> This one turned out to be a backwards-incompatible change in Django
> 1.2 with the cycle tag in included files.

Aha.  Bummer.


Best regards,

	Henrik

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When I click on the current IESG state on
<https://tracker.tools.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bliss-shared-appearances/>
(which is AD Evaluation::External Party), I get the edit state page with 
the current
state set to AD Evaluation, but the substate is blank, misrepresenting 
the actual
current state.

RJS

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Hi Robert,

On 2012-02-03 22:21 Robert Sparks said the following:
> When I click on the current IESG state on
> <https://tracker.tools.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bliss-shared-appearances/>
> (which is AD Evaluation::External Party), I get the edit state page with 
> the current
> state set to AD Evaluation, but the substate is blank, misrepresenting 
> the actual
> current state.

I just checked this, and there's a possibility it could be an artefact of the
conversion cycle -- when I check the same page now, it does say
  "AD Evaluation::External Party"
also in the test tracker.

The conversion now seems to run from *:28 to *:52 every hour, so my check
just now was during the current conversion run.


Best regards,

	Henrik



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I'm still seeing the issue. (I think I might not have pointed clearly to 
where it is before).

<https://tracker.tools.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bliss-shared-appearances/> is 
fine.
The problem is at
<https://tracker.tools.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bliss-shared-appearances/edit/state/>

Which shows:


RjS


On 2/4/12 6:48 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
> Hi Robert,
>
> On 2012-02-03 22:21 Robert Sparks said the following:
>> When I click on the current IESG state on
>> <https://tracker.tools.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bliss-shared-appearances/>
>> (which is AD Evaluation::External Party), I get the edit state page with
>> the current
>> state set to AD Evaluation, but the substate is blank, misrepresenting
>> the actual
>> current state.
> I just checked this, and there's a possibility it could be an artefact of the
> conversion cycle -- when I check the same page now, it does say
>    "AD Evaluation::External Party"
> also in the test tracker.
>
> The conversion now seems to run from *:28 to *:52 every hour, so my check
> just now was during the current conversion run.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> 	Henrik
>
>

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    I'm still seeing the issue. (I think I might not have pointed
    clearly to where it is before).<br>
    <br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://tracker.tools.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bliss-shared-appearances/">&lt;https://tracker.tools.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bliss-shared-appearances/&gt;</a>
    is fine.<br>
    The problem is at<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://tracker.tools.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bliss-shared-appearances/edit/state/">&lt;https://tracker.tools.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bliss-shared-appearances/edit/state/&gt;</a><br>
    <br>
    Which shows:<br>
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    <br>
    RjS<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    On 2/4/12 6:48 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
    <blockquote cite="mid:4F2D2935.6050300@levkowetz.com" type="cite">
      <pre wrap="">Hi Robert,

On 2012-02-03 22:21 Robert Sparks said the following:
</pre>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <pre wrap="">When I click on the current IESG state on
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://tracker.tools.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bliss-shared-appearances/">&lt;https://tracker.tools.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bliss-shared-appearances/&gt;</a>
(which is AD Evaluation::External Party), I get the edit state page with 
the current
state set to AD Evaluation, but the substate is blank, misrepresenting 
the actual
current state.
</pre>
      </blockquote>
      <pre wrap="">
I just checked this, and there's a possibility it could be an artefact of the
conversion cycle -- when I check the same page now, it does say
  "AD Evaluation::External Party"
also in the test tracker.

The conversion now seems to run from *:28 to *:52 every hour, so my check
just now was during the current conversion run.


Best regards,

	Henrik


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On 2012-02-07 16:53 Robert Sparks said:
> I'm still seeing the issue. (I think I might not have pointed clearly to where 
> it is before).
> 
> <https://tracker.tools.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bliss-shared-appearances/> is fine.
> The problem is at
> <https://tracker.tools.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bliss-shared-appearances/edit/state/>

Aha! Right.  Clearly not as it should be.  Ole?


Best regards,

	Henrik



> Which shows:
> 
> 
> RjS
> 
> 
> On 2/4/12 6:48 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>> Hi Robert,
>>
>> On 2012-02-03 22:21 Robert Sparks said the following:
>>> When I click on the current IESG state on
>>> <https://tracker.tools.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bliss-shared-appearances/>
>>> (which is AD Evaluation::External Party), I get the edit state page with
>>> the current
>>> state set to AD Evaluation, but the substate is blank, misrepresenting
>>> the actual
>>> current state.
>> I just checked this, and there's a possibility it could be an artefact of the
>> conversion cycle -- when I check the same page now, it does say
>>    "AD Evaluation::External Party"
>> also in the test tracker.
>>
>> The conversion now seems to run from *:28 to *:52 every hour, so my check
>> just now was during the current conversion run.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> 	Henrik
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2012/2/7 Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com>:
> On 2012-02-07 16:53 Robert Sparks said:
>> <https://tracker.tools.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bliss-shared-appearances/=
> is fine.
>> The problem is at
>> <https://tracker.tools.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bliss-shared-appearances/=
edit/state/>
>
> Aha! Right. =A0Clearly not as it should be. =A0Ole?

Sorry, my bad. Looks like I've forgotten to pass in the initial
substate in the form. Weird, as it is really obvious. But I've fixed
that now.


Ole

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While logged in to https://tracker.tools.ietf.org/ as a Secretariat =
user:

Wish list:=20

- Add a link to Management Items (currently =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/admin/iesg/telechatagendaitem/ on the =
production server) under the Secretariat heading in the sidebar.

Questions:

- On the telechat dates page, I like that we can add a whole slew of =
dates at once now, instead of being stuck with 4 at a time; and yes, the =
"suggest latest date + 14" feature works.  But without the "Rollup" =
function that we currently have, how does the IESG agenda get set up for =
the next telechat with the right date at the top and the right set of =
documents?

- Will the Secretariat still need to remove documents from the IESG =
agenda after the telechat in order to set up for the next one, or is =
that no longer necessary?

Bugs:

- I moved draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv4-bulk-leasequery-05 from the 2012-02-16 =
agenda to the 2012-03-29 agenda using =
https://tracker.tools.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/documents/, and the document =
showed up on the 2012-03-29 agenda as a returning item, even though it =
is not a returning item.  (In all fairness, this has been a persistent =
issue with the current datatracker as well.  But this did give me the =
opportunity to test the "clear returning item" checkbox, and it seems to =
work as it's supposed to.)

- Looking at the announcement text for individual documents (e.g. =
https://tracker.tools.ietf.org/doc/draft-kucherawy-authres-spf-erratum/edi=
t/approvaltext/), it looks like system plans to try and CC the =
announcement to none-chairs@tools.ietf.org.  I would guess it's trying =
that because the WG is set to "none" for individual submissions, but =
that address is going to bounce.  (In the production version of the =
datatracker, announcements on individual submissions just go to =
IETF-Announce with a CC to the RFC Editor.)

- I tried to regenerate the approval announcement text on =
draft-irtf-hiprg-proxies and got an error.  (Originally, the text that =
was there was for a regular IETF stream doc, but I hadn't checked the =
"Via IRTF or RFC Editor" box when adding the doc, even though the stream =
menu was set to "IRTF.")  After checking the box, I tried to regenerate =
the announcement to see if the correct text appeared, and got this =
error:

Environment:

Request Method: POST
Request URL: =
https://tracker.tools.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-hiprg-proxies/edit/approvalt=
ext/
Django Version: 1.2.7 SVN-3906
Python Version: 2.7.2
Installed Applications:
['django.contrib.auth',
 'django.contrib.contenttypes',
 'django.contrib.sessions',
 'django.contrib.sites',
 'django.contrib.sitemaps',
 'django.contrib.admin',
 'django.contrib.admindocs',
 'django.contrib.humanize',
 'south',
 'workflows',
 'permissions',
 'ietf.person',
 'ietf.name',
 'ietf.group',
 'ietf.doc',
 'ietf.message',
 'ietf.announcements',
 'ietf.idindex',
 'ietf.idtracker',
 'ietf.ietfauth',
 'ietf.iesg',
 'ietf.ipr',
 'ietf.liaisons',
 'ietf.mailinglists',
 'ietf.meeting',
 'ietf.proceedings',
 'ietf.redirects',
 'ietf.idrfc',
 'ietf.wginfo',
 'ietf.submit',
 'ietf.ietfworkflows',
 'ietf.wgchairs',
 'ietf.wgcharter']
Installed Middleware:
('django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware',
 'django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware',
 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware',
 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.RemoteUserMiddleware',
 'django.middleware.doc.XViewMiddleware',
 'ietf.middleware.SQLLogMiddleware',
 'ietf.middleware.SMTPExceptionMiddleware',
 'ietf.middleware.RedirectTrailingPeriod',
 'django.middleware.transaction.TransactionMiddleware',
 'ietf.middleware.UnicodeNfkcNormalization')


Traceback:
File "/srv/www/ietfdb/django/core/handlers/base.py" in get_response
  100.                     response =3D callback(request, =
*callback_args, **callback_kwargs)
File "/srv/www/ietfdb/ietf/ietfauth/decorators.py" in inner
  51.                 return view_func(request, *args, **kwargs)
File "/srv/www/ietfdb/ietf/idrfc/views_ballot.py" in =
ballot_approvaltextREDESIGN
  1091.             e =3D generate_approval_mail(request, doc)
File "/srv/www/ietfdb/ietf/idrfc/mails.py" in =
generate_approval_mailREDESIGN
  282.         mail =3D generate_approval_mail_rfc_editor(request, doc)
File "/srv/www/ietfdb/ietf/idrfc/mails.py" in =
generate_approval_mail_rfc_editorREDESIGN
  365.             g =3D Group.objects.get(type=3D'irtf')

Exception Type: NameError at =
/doc/draft-irtf-hiprg-proxies/edit/approvaltext/
Exception Value: global name 'Group' is not defined


Thanks,
Cindy

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2012/2/7 Cindy Morgan <cmorgan@amsl.com>:
> While logged in to https://tracker.tools.ietf.org/ as a Secretariat user:
> - Add a link to Management Items (currently https://datatracker.ietf.org/=
admin/iesg/telechatagendaitem/ on the production server) under the Secretar=
iat heading in the sidebar.

Sure, I've done that.

> - On the telechat dates page, I like that we can add a whole slew of date=
s at once now, instead of being stuck with 4 at a time; and yes, the "sugge=
st latest date + 14" feature works. =A0But without the "Rollup" function th=
at we currently have, how does the IESG agenda get set up for the next tele=
chat with the right date at the top and the right set of documents?

Hm, good point. The current code has a set of telechat dates it
considers active, those that are either today or later. It uses them
in the same way as the old 4 dates. So if today is 2012-02-08 with
these dates

 2012-01-25  - inactive
 2012-02-08  - active
 2012-02-22  - active

then the agenda shown will be for 2012-02-08 because it's the first
active date. And tomorrow it will show the agenda for 2012-02-22. So
it's like an automatic roll-up at the end of the day. Do you think
this is fine?

> - Will the Secretariat still need to remove documents from the IESG agend=
a after the telechat in order to set up for the next one, or is that no lon=
ger necessary?

I'm glad you asked because the way we model this, it shouldn't be
necessary anymore. I just fixed some wrapper code to make it say the
right thing when you go to the page for a draft so I think this should
work.

> - I moved draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv4-bulk-leasequery-05 from the 2012-02-16 ag=
enda to the 2012-03-29 agenda using https://tracker.tools.ietf.org/iesg/age=
nda/documents/, and the document showed up on the 2012-03-29 agenda as a re=
turning item, even though it is not a returning item.

Hm, yes, this doesn't make much sense. It's trying to guess whether
the draft has become a returning item or not, and failing. If I remove
all automatic guessing and the "Clear returning item" check box and
instead add a "Returning item" check box like the one in the document
edit page, would that be better? So you'd have a check box that
reflects the current status of the document and if you need to turn it
into a returning item, you can then check it.

> - Looking at the announcement text for individual documents (e.g. https:/=
/tracker.tools.ietf.org/doc/draft-kucherawy-authres-spf-erratum/edit/approv=
altext/), it looks like system plans to try and CC the announcement to none=
-chairs@tools.ietf.org. =A0I would guess it's trying that because the WG is=
 set to "none" for individual submissions, but that address is going to bou=
nce.

Odd, fixed.

> - I tried to regenerate the approval announcement text on draft-irtf-hipr=
g-proxies and got an error. =A0(Originally, the text that was there was for=
 a regular IETF stream doc, but I hadn't checked the "Via IRTF or RFC Edito=
r" box when adding the doc, even though the stream menu was set to "IRTF.")=
 =A0After checking the box, I tried to regenerate the announcement to see i=
f the correct text appeared, and got this error:

Fixed. This case was missing in the automated tests we have running,
I've added it now.

Great testing!


Ole

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IETF Chair <chair@ietf.org> wrote:
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> Shortly, the IETF datatracker will go through a major change, one of
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> Hopefully no one will notice.
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> In order to achieve a nearly unnoticeable change-over, we now invite
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> Try out the new Datatracker, and help us make a smooth transition.
> The new Datatracker is running here:
>  https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/

   I, of course, am interested in the IESG scribe template:

http://datatracker.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/scribe_template.html

so I tried

http://trackerbeta.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/scribe_template.html

   It seems to largely work, except that the Appendix contains no
actual comments.

   How will we test for these comments to show up?

--
John Leslie <john@jlc.net>

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Hi John,

On 2012-02-14 20:49 John Leslie said the following:

>    I, of course, am interested in the IESG scribe template:
> 
> http://datatracker.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/scribe_template.html
> 
> so I tried
> 
> http://trackerbeta.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/scribe_template.html
> 
>    It seems to largely work, except that the Appendix contains no
> actual comments.
> 
>    How will we test for these comments to show up?

The way I see it, comparing these:

  http://trackerbeta.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/scribe_template.html
  http://trackerbeta.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/scribe_template.html

the missing comments is a clear bug, and I expect Ole will have
it fixed during tomorrow.

Thanks for checking and reporting!

Best regards,

	Henrik

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<https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/wg/dane/>

In the left column, "Liaison statements" runs into the right border, and =
so does the search box. Maybe add a few pixels to the width of the left =
column.

--Paul Hoffman


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Browser: Chrome

To Reproduce:

- bring up browser
- go to https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/
- select <Advanced>
- select <Responsible AD> radio button
- select <Ron Bonica>

At this point, the <Search> button should be sensitive, but it is not.

To work around the problem, select any other radio button and then select <=
responsible AD> again. The <Search> button becomes sensitive and it works f=
rom there on.

--------------------------
Ron Bonica
vcard:       www.bonica.org/ron/ronbonica.vcf


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Hi Paul,

On 2012-02-14 22:12 Paul Hoffman said:
> <https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/wg/dane/>
> 
> In the left column, "Liaison statements" runs into the right border,
> and so does the search box. Maybe add a few pixels to the width of
> the left column.

So it does :-)

On the other hand, the current datatracker has exactly the same behaviour,
so it's not an issue with the database and code change.  I think we'll
save this one for the sprint in Paris.

Thanks for checking the tracker beta, and please let us know if you find
additional bugs.

Best regards,

	Henrik

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Hi Ron,

On 2012-02-15 02:43 Ronald Bonica said:
> Browser: Chrome
> 
> To Reproduce:
> 
> - bring up browser
> - go to https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/
> - select <Advanced>
> - select <Responsible AD> radio button
> - select <Ron Bonica>
> 
> At this point, the <Search> button should be sensitive, but it is not.
> 
> To work around the problem, select any other radio button and then
> select <responsible AD> again. The <Search> button becomes sensitive
> and it works from there on.

Good catch!

Should hopefully be a quick fix.

Thanks for checking the tracker beta.  Please let us know if you find
more bugs :-)


Best regards,

	Henrik

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2012/2/14 Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com>:
>> =A0 =A0It seems to largely work, except that the Appendix contains no
>> actual comments.
>>
>> =A0 =A0How will we test for these comments to show up?

Sorry, my bad, a problem in the presentation layer, fixed now. Thanks
for the report!

This should work as soon as the test server has picked up the new code.


Ole

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> On 2012-02-15 02:43 Ronald Bonica said:
>> At this point, the <Search> button should be sensitive, but it is not.

Fixed! It was a problem with all select boxes that the set
active/inactive logic wasn't triggered when you manipulated them.

Thanks!


Ole

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On 2012-02-15 16:18 Ole Laursen said:
>> On 2012-02-15 02:43 Ronald Bonica said:
>>> At this point, the <Search> button should be sensitive, but it is not.
> 
> Fixed! It was a problem with all select boxes that the set
> active/inactive logic wasn't triggered when you manipulated them.

Deployed!

	Henrik

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On 2012-02-15 14:25 Ole Laursen said:
> 2012/2/14 Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com>:
>>>    It seems to largely work, except that the Appendix contains no
>>> actual comments.
>>>
>>>    How will we test for these comments to show up?
> 
> Sorry, my bad, a problem in the presentation layer, fixed now. Thanks
> for the report!
> 
> This should work as soon as the test server has picked up the new code.

Done at 15:27 CET (06:27 PST).

	Henrik

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Henrik, Ole -

Pete found a bug that he'll report separately, but I'd like to note I've 
reproduced it.

When adding a discuss to a document the mail that's generated is wrong 
(the subject line misses the discuss and the body doesn't have the 
discuss text. However the body says I entered a discuss.

This is something I tested before and didn't see a problem. There is an 
automated test that should have caught this too.

RjS

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    This is something I tested before and didn't see a problem. There is
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Hi,

I just tried the new datatracker beta site with a simple search of all
documents with the string "mpls-tp" and I noticed that the result list
did not include a new version that was uploaded yesterday.  Question is
- how much of a delay is there before the new and the old databases are
synced? (The old version of the datatracker listed the updated document
immediately after the submission was complete, naturally)

Best regards,
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Hongyu -

Have you selected the radiobutton for the row for the field you want to 
search on?
For example, to select something in the area dropbox, you currently need 
to select
the radiobutton just to the left of the Area: label. If you've done that 
and it's still not
working for you, please let us know.

RJS

On 2/16/12 3:36 AM, Hongyu Li (Julio) wrote:
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> Win7 Pro + IE9.0.8812.16421
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> I can't input anything in the Advance area, nor select anything in the 
> *area* dropbox.
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> Hongyu
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    Have you selected the radiobutton for the row for the field you want
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Hi Hongyu,

On 2012-02-16 10:36 Hongyu Li (Julio) said the following:
> Win7 Pro + IE9.0.8812.16421
> 
> I can't input anything in the Advance area, nor select anything in the *area* dropbox.

Thanks.

A few questions to pinpoint the problem:  
  - Is this still the case after you have selected one of the radio buttons?
  - Does selecting a radio button work, making the text field turn white from
    the initial gray?
  - Do you have javascript enabled in the browser?


Best regards,

	Henrik

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Hi Yaacov,

On 2012-02-16 08:43 Weingarten, Yaacov (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon) said the following:
> Hi,
> 
> I just tried the new datatracker beta site with a simple search of all
> documents with the string "mpls-tp" and I noticed that the result list
> did not include a new version that was uploaded yesterday.  Question is
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> synced? (The old version of the datatracker listed the updated document
> immediately after the submission was complete, naturally)

Thanks for checking the new tracker, and reporting!

For document-related data the delay *should* be less than 5 minutes; other
information is only caught by a full conversion which runs between 01:00
and 03:00 PST (roughly).

The latest document I see on the production tracker is this:

	draft-ietf-mpls-tp-ring-protection-01
	Applicability of MPLS-TP Linear Protection for Ring Topologies
 	2012-02-15 

which as I write this is also visible on in the beta tracker with the
same information:

	draft-ietf-mpls-tp-ring-protection-01
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	2012-02-15

Was this the document you found missing?


Best regards,

	Henrik

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2012/2/15 Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>:
> When adding a discuss to a document the mail that's generated is wrong (the
> subject line misses the discuss and the body doesn't have the discuss text.
> However the body says I entered a discuss.
>
> This is something I tested before and didn't see a problem. There is an
> automated test that should have caught this too.

I expanded the test slightly, and sure enough, fail. I was checking
the wrong attribute. Fixed now. Thanks to both of you!


Ole

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2012/2/16 Hongyu Li (Julio) <hongyu.lihongyu@huawei.com>:
> Win7 Pro + IE9.0.8812.16421
>
> I can=92t input anything in the Advance area, nor select anything in the
> *area* dropbox.

Sorry, my bad. I forgot to test IE. There was a problem with the
Javascript that I've fixed now. Looked pretty funky in IE 6. Thanks
for the report!


Ole

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On 2012-02-16 17:44 Ole Laursen said the following:
> 2012/2/15 Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>:
>> When adding a discuss to a document the mail that's generated is wrong (the
>> subject line misses the discuss and the body doesn't have the discuss text.
>> However the body says I entered a discuss.
>>
>> This is something I tested before and didn't see a problem. There is an
>> automated test that should have caught this too.
> 
> I expanded the test slightly, and sure enough, fail. I was checking
> the wrong attribute. Fixed now. Thanks to both of you!

Deployed!

	Henrik

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On 2012-02-16 18:10 Ole Laursen said the following:
> 2012/2/16 Hongyu Li (Julio) <hongyu.lihongyu@huawei.com>:
>> Win7 Pro + IE9.0.8812.16421
>>
>> I can=92t input anything in the Advance area, nor select anything in t=
he
>> *area* dropbox.
>=20
> Sorry, my bad. I forgot to test IE. There was a problem with the
> Javascript that I've fixed now. Looked pretty funky in IE 6. Thanks
> for the report!

Deployed!

	Henrik


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Fix confirmed.

hongyu


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2012/2/16 Hongyu Li (Julio) <hongyu.lihongyu@huawei.com>:
> Win7 Pro + IE9.0.8812.16421
>
> I can't input anything in the Advance area, nor select anything in the
> *area* dropbox.

Sorry, my bad. I forgot to test IE. There was a problem with the
Javascript that I've fixed now. Looked pretty funky in IE 6. Thanks
for the report!


Ole

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Subject: [iola-conversion-tool] Bug when Adding a document to the tracker
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Ole, Henrik -

While poking at the bug Cindy found with the days-in-state for an added 
document I found some
problems with the edit form that really need to be addressed before we 
cut over.

The biggest is that the form didn't ask for the area the document should 
be associated with.
It occasionally happens that an AD from outside the area takes the 
shepherd role for a document, so
you can't infer this from which AD is assigned.

Less important, (but important none the less), the fields are initially 
populated very badly.

In the existing tracker, when I add a document, I get fields initially 
populated like this:



These all make sense as initial values - particularly the "None 
selected" and "None" fields.

In the betatracker, I get this (yes, different doc, b


Note the lack of area on that form, and the initial values - the only 
one that really makes sense is Publication Requested.

RjS

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    Ole, Henrik -<br>
    <br>
    While poking at the bug Cindy found with the days-in-state for an
    added document I found some<br>
    problems with the edit form that really need to be addressed before
    we cut over.<br>
    <br>
    The biggest is that the form didn't ask for the area the document
    should be associated with.<br>
    It occasionally happens that an AD from outside the area takes the
    shepherd role for a document, so<br>
    you can't infer this from which AD is assigned.<br>
    <br>
    Less important, (but important none the less), the fields are
    initially populated very badly.<br>
    <br>
    In the existing tracker, when I add a document, I get fields
    initially populated like this:<br>
    <br>
    <img src="cid:part1.06020902.00050203@nostrum.com" alt=""><br>
    <br>
    These all make sense as initial values - particularly the "None
    selected" and "None" fields.<br>
    <br>
    In the betatracker, I get this (yes, different doc, b<br>
    <br>
    <img src="cid:part2.04030508.00070002@nostrum.com" alt=""><br>
    Note the lack of area on that form, and the initial values - the
    only one that really makes sense is Publication Requested.<br>
    <br>
    RjS<br>
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On the Add/Edit screen (e.g. =
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), was the "Intended status" field (in the production version) changed =
to "Intended std level" for a reason?  Because I read that as "Intended =
Standard level," but not all I-Ds/RFC are on the standards track.

Best regards,
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The (yes, but a different doc, b
below is a typo - I had screenshots from different docs when I entered 
it, but decided
to go back and do the work to get screenshots from the same doc.
I didn't get back to delete that errant text - please disregard it.

> In the betatracker, I get this (yes, different doc, b
>

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Logged in as a Secretariat User, I tried to send a Last Call for =
draft-barnes-atoca-delivery, and got this error:

Page: =
https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-barnes-atoca-delivery/edit/makelast=
call/

Error:=20

Environment:

Request Method: POST
Request URL: =
https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-barnes-atoca-delivery/edit/makelast=
call/
Django Version: 1.2.7 SVN-3938
Python Version: 2.6.0
Installed Applications:
['django.contrib.auth',
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 'south',
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Installed Middleware:
('django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware',
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 'django.middleware.transaction.TransactionMiddleware',
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Traceback:
File "/a/www/ietf-trackerbeta/web/django/core/handlers/base.py" in =
get_response
  100.                     response =3D callback(request, =
*callback_args, **callback_kwargs)
File "/a/home/henrik/tracker/4.00rc1/ietf/ietfauth/decorators.py" in =
inner
  51.                 return view_func(request, *args, **kwargs)
File "/a/www/ietf-trackerbeta/web/ietf/idrfc/views_ballot.py" in =
make_last_callREDESIGN
  1354.             msg.related_docs.add(doc)
File "/a/home/henrik/tracker/4.00rc1/django/db/models/fields/related.py" =
in add
  501.                 self._add_items(self.source_field_name, =
self.target_field_name, *objs)
File "/a/home/henrik/tracker/4.00rc1/django/db/models/fields/related.py" =
in _add_items
  573.                 new_ids =3D new_ids - set(vals)
File "/a/home/henrik/tracker/4.00rc1/django/db/models/query.py" in =
_result_iter
  105.                 self._fill_cache()
File "/a/home/henrik/tracker/4.00rc1/django/db/models/query.py" in =
_fill_cache
  783.                     self._result_cache.append(self._iter.next())
File "/a/home/henrik/tracker/4.00rc1/django/db/models/query.py" in =
iterator
  967.             for row in =
self.query.get_compiler(self.db).results_iter():
File "/a/home/henrik/tracker/4.00rc1/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py" =
in results_iter
  677.         for rows in self.execute_sql(MULTI):
File "/a/home/henrik/tracker/4.00rc1/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py" =
in execute_sql
  732.         cursor.execute(sql, params)
File "/a/home/henrik/tracker/4.00rc1/django/db/backends/util.py" in =
execute
  15.             return self.cursor.execute(sql, params)
File "/a/home/henrik/tracker/4.00rc1/django/db/backends/mysql/base.py" =
in execute
  86.             return self.cursor.execute(query, args)
File "/usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py" in execute
  166.             self.errorhandler(self, exc, value)
File "/usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py" in =
defaulterrorhandler
  35.     raise errorclass, errorvalue

Exception Type: DatabaseError at =
/doc/draft-barnes-atoca-delivery/edit/makelastcall/
Exception Value: (1146, "Table 'ietf_new.message_message_related_docs' =
doesn't exist")


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Logged in as a Secretariat user, I tried to send an approval =
announcement for draft-ietf-payload-rtp-klv, and got this error:

=
https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-payload-rtp-klv/edit/approveba=
llot/

Environment:

Request Method: POST
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https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-payload-rtp-klv/edit/approveba=
llot/
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Installed Middleware:
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Traceback:
File "/a/www/ietf-trackerbeta/web/django/core/handlers/base.py" in =
get_response
  100.                     response =3D callback(request, =
*callback_args, **callback_kwargs)
File "/a/home/henrik/tracker/4.00rc1/ietf/ietfauth/decorators.py" in =
inner
  51.                 return view_func(request, *args, **kwargs)
File "/a/www/ietf-trackerbeta/web/ietf/idrfc/views_ballot.py" in =
approve_ballotREDESIGN
  1261.         msg.related_docs.add(doc)
File "/a/home/henrik/tracker/4.00rc1/django/db/models/fields/related.py" =
in add
  501.                 self._add_items(self.source_field_name, =
self.target_field_name, *objs)
File "/a/home/henrik/tracker/4.00rc1/django/db/models/fields/related.py" =
in _add_items
  573.                 new_ids =3D new_ids - set(vals)
File "/a/home/henrik/tracker/4.00rc1/django/db/models/query.py" in =
_result_iter
  105.                 self._fill_cache()
File "/a/home/henrik/tracker/4.00rc1/django/db/models/query.py" in =
_fill_cache
  783.                     self._result_cache.append(self._iter.next())
File "/a/home/henrik/tracker/4.00rc1/django/db/models/query.py" in =
iterator
  967.             for row in =
self.query.get_compiler(self.db).results_iter():
File "/a/home/henrik/tracker/4.00rc1/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py" =
in results_iter
  677.         for rows in self.execute_sql(MULTI):
File "/a/home/henrik/tracker/4.00rc1/django/db/models/sql/compiler.py" =
in execute_sql
  732.         cursor.execute(sql, params)
File "/a/home/henrik/tracker/4.00rc1/django/db/backends/util.py" in =
execute
  15.             return self.cursor.execute(sql, params)
File "/a/home/henrik/tracker/4.00rc1/django/db/backends/mysql/base.py" =
in execute
  86.             return self.cursor.execute(query, args)
File "/usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/MySQLdb/cursors.py" in execute
  166.             self.errorhandler(self, exc, value)
File "/usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py" in =
defaulterrorhandler
  35.     raise errorclass, errorvalue

Exception Type: DatabaseError at =
/doc/draft-ietf-payload-rtp-klv/edit/approveballot/
Exception Value: (1146, "Table 'ietf_new.message_message_related_docs' =
doesn't exist")


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IETF Chair <chair@ietf.org> wrote:
> 
> Unless a significant bug is discovered in the next few days, we plan
> to transition to the new database schema this coming weekend.

   I compared view-source of

http://datatracker.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/scribe_template.html

and

http://trackerbeta.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/scribe_template.html

finding 234 lines of diff, most of it inconsequential.

   The change from "ballot NNNN" to "ballot draft..." seems a good idea.
That's about 52 lines.

   There are 8 lines of differing spelling of IESG members -- not an
issue.

   There are 20 lines of differing indentation of "</ol>" in the Appendix
-- not a significant issue.

   The rest of the lines seem to come from differing _order_ of numbering
the AD comments on agenda items. I'm not sure whether that's an issue...

   It would approach a show-stopper were it differing order of the
agenda items themselves (between the agenda as published and the
scribe template), but if any such problem exists I didn't see it.

   If the issue is limited to the numbering of AD comments it's certainly
not a show-stopper; but it would constitute a nuisance as I prepare the
actual template for Narrative Minutes.

   The nuisance would be fairly significant if the ordering is not
predictable, so I guess I'm asking if there's a way to predict it. (It
used to be alphabetical by surname.)

--
John Leslie <john@jlc.net> (hat=NarrativeScribe)

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2012/2/21 Cindy Morgan <cmorgan@amsl.com>:
> Hi,
>
> Logged in as a Secretariat user, I added draft-ietf-sipping-media-policy-=
dataset in state Publication Requested with Robert as the AD. =A0On the sur=
face, it looks like everything worked as it should have, and I didn't get a=
ny error messages. =A0However, when looking at https://trackerbeta.ietf.org=
/doc/ad/robert.sparks/, it shows that the document has been in Publication =
Requested for 8086 days, which is wrong.
>
> I tried adding another doc (draft-ietf-avtcore-ecn-for-rtp), and it is al=
so now showing up as being in Publication Requested for 8086 days.

Right, it wasn't catching this case when trying to figure out when the
Publication Requested state change was made. I've fixed this now.

Thanks for the report!


Ole

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2012/2/21 Cindy Morgan <cmorgan@amsl.com>:
> On the Add/Edit screen (e.g. https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-=
avtcore-ecn-for-rtp/edit/info/), was the "Intended status" field (in the pr=
oduction version) changed to "Intended std level" for a reason? =A0Because =
I read that as "Intended Standard level," but not all I-Ds/RFC are on the s=
tandards track.

Hm, the name of the underlying attribute changed and it appears that
changed the form, too.

Regarding the name, I read it as "intended standardization level". The
reason we're going with it in the database is that "status" is a vague
word - for a draft/RFC we've consolidated several entities ending up
with a bunch of different states/statuses so it ends up being
important that we have descriptive names.

And it appears we have no good word for standards track maturity level
+ non-standards track maturity levels + BCP, so that's why it ended up
being standardization level. Does that make sense?

I can easily change the form back to say intended status, but if you
think it's okay, I'd prefer if the interface uses the same terminology
as the database?


OIe

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Hi Cindy, Amy, Ole,

On 2012-02-22 13:55 Ole Laursen said:
> 2012/2/21 Cindy Morgan <cmorgan@amsl.com>:
>> On the Add/Edit screen (e.g. https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-avtcore-ecn-for-rtp/edit/info/), was the "Intended status" field (in the production version) changed to "Intended std level" for a reason?  Because I read that as "Intended Standard level," but not all I-Ds/RFC are on the standards track.
> 
> Hm, the name of the underlying attribute changed and it appears that
> changed the form, too.
> 
> Regarding the name, I read it as "intended standardization level". The
> reason we're going with it in the database is that "status" is a vague
> word - for a draft/RFC we've consolidated several entities ending up
> with a bunch of different states/statuses so it ends up being
> important that we have descriptive names.
> 
> And it appears we have no good word for standards track maturity level
> + non-standards track maturity levels + BCP, so that's why it ended up
> being standardization level. Does that make sense?
> 
> I can easily change the form back to say intended status, but if you
> think it's okay, I'd prefer if the interface uses the same terminology
> as the database?

As Ole says, since we are moving in the direction of displaying many
different status fields (WG status, IESG status, RFC-Ed status, and
more (including the (Internet Std/Proposed Std/Informational/Experimental/...))
status, we need to be more explicit than saying just "Intended status".

Any appropriately descriptive term for the intended standardization level
is OK, as long as it can be understood and is distinct from all the other
status fields we show ...


Best regards,

	Henrik


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Logged in as a Secretariat user, I tried to change a document state from =
"Approved Announcement Sent" to "RFC Editor Queue."  On this page:
https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dhc-pd-exclude/edit/state/
(also checked this one =
https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-os-ietf-sshfp-ecdsa-sha2/edit/state=
/ - same issue)

the "Or jump directly to" button should go to "RFC Editor Queue" as the =
next state on the publication path, and not "Approved-announcement to be =
sent" - which is a state backwards on the publication path.  It should =
have two button links here - "Or jump directly to" which goes forward on =
the publication path, and "Or revert to previous state" which goes back. =
 It seems these have been merged.

Using the drop-down list of possible states seems to have worked =
correctly.

Best regards,

Amy=

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2012/2/21 Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>

> The biggest is that the form didn't ask for the area the document should
> be associated with.
> It occasionally happens that an AD from outside the area takes the
> shepherd role for a document, so
> you can't infer this from which AD is assigned.
>

Right. At the moment, we don't store an area at all. Grepping for it, the
only place I managed to find using the attribute apart from the edit form
is the agenda document template where the proxy wrapper will infer the area
from the WG (if there's a WG) or else from the shepherding AD.

The search page looks for the area of the WG in the old schema if you do a
search for area, not the area attribute which is perhaps not surprising if
it's only set for documents in the IESG process.

So do you think this is a problem still?


> Less important, (but important none the less), the fields are initially
> populated very badly.
>

That's odd. Or rather, it's odd that how it worked before because AFAICT
from the documentation to Django, it shouldn't have. :) It could possibly
be because of the new Django version. In any case, I think I managed to fix
this now.

Ole

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2012/2/21 Robert Sparks <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=
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r><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0p=
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or:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">


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   =20
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  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">The biggest is that the form di=
dn&#39;t ask for the area the document
    should be associated with.<br>
    It occasionally happens that an AD from outside the area takes the
    shepherd role for a document, so<br>
    you can&#39;t infer this from which AD is assigned.<br></div></blockquo=
te><div><br></div><div>Right. At the moment, we don&#39;t store an area at =
all. Grepping for it, the only place I managed to find using the attribute =
apart from the edit form is the agenda document template where the proxy=A0=
wrapper will infer the area from the WG (if there&#39;s a WG) or else from =
the shepherding AD.</div>

<div><br></div><div>The search page looks for the area of the WG in the old=
 schema if you do a search for area, not the area attribute which is perhap=
s not surprising if it&#39;s only set for documents in the IESG process.</d=
iv>

<div><br></div><div>So do you think this is a problem still?</div><div>=A0<=
/div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right=
:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-=
color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">Less important, (but important no=
ne the less), the fields are
    initially populated very badly.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><d=
iv>That&#39;s odd. Or rather, it&#39;s odd that how it worked before becaus=
e AFAICT from the documentation to Django, it shouldn&#39;t have. :) It cou=
ld possibly be because of the new Django version. In any case, I think I ma=
naged to fix this now.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Ole</div></div>

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2012/2/21 Cindy Morgan <cmorgan@amsl.com>:
> Logged in as a Secretariat User, I tried to send a Last Call for draft-barnes-atoca-delivery, and got this error:
>
> Page: https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-barnes-atoca-delivery/edit/makelastcall/

Yeah, there's a table missing in the database for some reason, I'm
hoping Henrik can get it fixed?


Ole

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2012/2/21 Cindy Morgan <cmorgan@amsl.com>:
> Logged in as a Secretariat user, I tried to send an approval announcement for draft-ietf-payload-rtp-klv, and got this error:
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> https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-payload-rtp-klv/edit/approveballot/

This is the same table missing from the database.


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Hi!

2012/2/22 Amy Vezza <avezza@amsl.com>:
> Logged in as a Secretariat user, I tried to change a document state from =
"Approved Announcement Sent" to "RFC Editor Queue." =A0On this page:
> https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dhc-pd-exclude/edit/state/

It looks like I managed to swap "Approved-announcement to be sent" and
"Approved Announcement Sent" with regards to what is considered the
next states. I've fixed that now, this should work correctly after the
next import-states.py run (I think that's within 24 hours).

> It should have two button links here - "Or jump directly to" which goes f=
orward on the publication path, and "Or revert to previous state" which goe=
s back. =A0It seems these have been merged.

"Or revert to previous state" doesn't work right after import at the
moment, it's a long story, but basically it's not easy to get the
necessary information extracted correctly from the old database and
put into the new one, so we currently cut a corner there. So that's
why it doesn't show it.

It will show up again as soon as the new system sees a state change
for the document (since it will then have stored the necessary
information).


Thanks for the report!


Ole

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That's really surprising, and I want to double-check that we haven't 
accidentally lost something.

Your search was on the production code?

I'm seeing idinternal.area_acronym get used in trunk at
idindex/views.py: def all_id2_entry(id):
  ....
./idindex/views.py-    if id.idinternal:
./idindex/views.py-        try:
./idindex/views.py:            area = id.idinternal.area_acronym


and in the search form
/idrfc/views_search.py:            
q_objs.append(Q(area_acronym=query['area']))

What are those replaced with in the new code?

RjS

On 2/22/12 11:18 AM, Ole Laursen wrote:
> 2012/2/21 Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com 
> <mailto:rjsparks@nostrum.com>>
>
>     The biggest is that the form didn't ask for the area the document
>     should be associated with.
>     It occasionally happens that an AD from outside the area takes the
>     shepherd role for a document, so
>     you can't infer this from which AD is assigned.
>
>
> Right. At the moment, we don't store an area at all. Grepping for it, 
> the only place I managed to find using the attribute apart from the 
> edit form is the agenda document template where the proxy wrapper will 
> infer the area from the WG (if there's a WG) or else from the 
> shepherding AD.
>
> The search page looks for the area of the WG in the old schema if you 
> do a search for area, not the area attribute which is perhaps not 
> surprising if it's only set for documents in the IESG process.
>
> So do you think this is a problem still?
>
>     Less important, (but important none the less), the fields are
>     initially populated very badly.
>
>
> That's odd. Or rather, it's odd that how it worked before because 
> AFAICT from the documentation to Django, it shouldn't have. :) It 
> could possibly be because of the new Django version. In any case, I 
> think I managed to fix this now.
>
> Ole

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    That's really surprising, and I want to double-check that we haven't
    accidentally lost something.<br>
    <br>
    Your search was on the production code?<br>
    <br>
    I'm seeing idinternal.area_acronym get used in trunk at<br>
    idindex/views.py: def all_id2_entry(id):<br>
    &nbsp;....<br>
    ./idindex/views.py-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; if id.idinternal:<br>
    ./idindex/views.py-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; try:<br>
    ./idindex/views.py:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; area = id.idinternal.area_acronym<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    and in the search form <br>
    /idrfc/views_search.py:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
    q_objs.append(Q(area_acronym=query['area']))<br>
    <br>
    What are those replaced with in the new code?<br>
    <br>
    RjS<br>
    <br>
    On 2/22/12 11:18 AM, Ole Laursen wrote:
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CANb2OvKXRUarNY-Vp+CkA+7P5FZ1=_OfqyO67gOnKfx2bAARCQ@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div class="gmail_quote">2012/2/21 Robert Sparks <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rjsparks@nostrum.com">rjsparks@nostrum.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">The biggest is that the
            form didn't ask for the area the document should be
            associated with.<br>
            It occasionally happens that an AD from outside the area
            takes the shepherd role for a document, so<br>
            you can't infer this from which AD is assigned.<br>
          </div>
        </blockquote>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Right. At the moment, we don't store an area at all.
          Grepping for it, the only place I managed to find using the
          attribute apart from the edit form is the agenda document
          template where the proxy&nbsp;wrapper will infer the area from the
          WG (if there's a WG) or else from the shepherding AD.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>The search page looks for the area of the WG in the old
          schema if you do a search for area, not the area attribute
          which is perhaps not surprising if it's only set for documents
          in the IESG process.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>So do you think this is a problem still?</div>
        <div>&nbsp;</div>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Less important, (but
            important none the less), the fields are initially populated
            very badly.<br>
          </div>
        </blockquote>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>That's odd. Or rather, it's odd that how it worked before
          because AFAICT from the documentation to Django, it shouldn't
          have. :) It could possibly be because of the new Django
          version. In any case, I think I managed to fix this now.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Ole</div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
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Hi,

On 2012-02-22 18:29 Ole Laursen said the following:
> 2012/2/21 Cindy Morgan <cmorgan@amsl.com>:
>> Logged in as a Secretariat User, I tried to send a Last Call for draft-barnes-atoca-delivery, and got this error:
>>
>> Page: https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-barnes-atoca-delivery/edit/makelastcall/
> 
> Yeah, there's a table missing in the database for some reason, I'm
> hoping Henrik can get it fixed?

Looking at this now.  The table exists now, but I can't successfully go to the
URL above.  (I've made myself a secretary in the Secretariat group in order to
look at this.)

Looking at other associated pages, there are some things which seem odd: On
https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-barnes-atoca-delivery/, there's an 'Add'
button, which is overly cryptic.  Add what?  What it seems to do is to edit
some document info.  Ah, it was probably called 'add' earlier because it would
add the document to the 'IDInternal' table.  Ok, should be 'Edit Info' now.

In the form you get to, 'Create in state' should probably be 'IESG State'.

Now how am I supposed to make a last call?  No clues here...  I can look
at the code, of course, but from a testing viewpoint that would be cheating ;-)

Cindy, would you point me in the right direction?


Best regards,

	Henrik

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On 2012-02-22 18:32 Ole Laursen said the following:
> 2012/2/21 Cindy Morgan <cmorgan@amsl.com>:
>> Logged in as a Secretariat user, I tried to send an approval announcement for draft-ietf-payload-rtp-klv, and got this error:
>>
>> https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-payload-rtp-klv/edit/approveballot/
> 
> This is the same table missing from the database.

This seems to work now.  I still have to figure out why that table goes missing
at times.  Ole, could a single-document conversion trigger this somehow??


Best regards,

	Henrik

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2012/2/22 John Leslie <john@jlc.net>:
> =A0 It would approach a show-stopper were it differing order of the
> agenda items themselves (between the agenda as published and the
> scribe template), but if any such problem exists I didn't see it.

Yes, I think it's using more or less the same code.

> =A0 If the issue is limited to the numbering of AD comments it's certainl=
y
> not a show-stopper; but it would constitute a nuisance as I prepare the
> actual template for Narrative Minutes.

I've changed this now to extract the last name and sort on that -
before they were sorted on the full name.


Ole

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On Feb 22, 2012, at 11:33 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:

> Hi,
>=20
> On 2012-02-22 18:29 Ole Laursen said the following:
>> 2012/2/21 Cindy Morgan <cmorgan@amsl.com>:
>>> Logged in as a Secretariat User, I tried to send a Last Call for =
draft-barnes-atoca-delivery, and got this error:
>>>=20
>>> Page: =
https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-barnes-atoca-delivery/edit/makelast=
call/
>>=20
>> Yeah, there's a table missing in the database for some reason, I'm
>> hoping Henrik can get it fixed?
>=20
> Looking at this now.  The table exists now, but I can't successfully =
go to the
> URL above.  (I've made myself a secretary in the Secretariat group in =
order to
> look at this.)
>=20
> Looking at other associated pages, there are some things which seem =
odd: On
> https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-barnes-atoca-delivery/, there's =
an 'Add'
> button, which is overly cryptic.  Add what?  What it seems to do is to =
edit
> some document info.  Ah, it was probably called 'add' earlier because =
it would
> add the document to the 'IDInternal' table.  Ok, should be 'Edit Info' =
now.
>=20

In the production version of the datatracker, the "Add" button is used =
to add the document (stateless, or in "I-D Exists") to the list of stuff =
being tracked by ADs.  Once the document is added, the button changes to =
"Edit."

(Note that in the middle of looking at this, I started getting Django =
errors on the Add/Edit page, and suddenly other stuff stopped working as =
well, like the Advanced Search feature not having the dropdown menus =
populated even when the corresponding radio button was clicked.  I am =
hoping that that is because you guys are in the middle of fixing =
something else and not that these are new bugs.)

(Also, all basic searches are returning "No documents match your =
query.")


> In the form you get to, 'Create in state' should probably be 'IESG =
State'.
>=20
> Now how am I supposed to make a last call?  No clues here...  I can =
look
> at the code, of course, but from a testing viewpoint that would be =
cheating ;-)

Since something is clearly going on with trackerbeta at the moment, I =
can't do an actual walk-through, but when it was working yesterday, it =
was pretty much the same as in the production version, which is:

- For docs that have been "added" and are in Publication Requested or =
higher, on the draft info page (e.g. =
https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-barnes-atoca-delivery) there is a =
link for "Last Call Text."  The AD goes there, edits the LC text (if =
necessary) and clicks on the "Save and Request Last Call" button.

- That sends a ticket to the Secretariat, and moves the document into =
IESG State "Last Call Requested." =20

- The Secretariat goes into the tracker, clicks on the "Last Call Text" =
link, and then on the resulting page we now have a "Make Last Call" =
link.  (I believe that the doc needs to be in IESG state "Last Call =
Requested" for that link to show up.)

- We click on that, it takes us to a new page where we confirm the start =
and end dates of the Last Call, and then we click on the button or link =
(I forget which of the top of my head, but it's obvious when you look at =
it) to send the Last Call Announcement.

>=20
> Cindy, would you point me in the right direction?
>=20
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Hi,

Robert discovered a problem a couple of days ago, which caused me to dig
into the database tables and lead to the discovery that the database itself
been created with default character set 'Latin-1' instead of 'UTF-8'.

We've created another database with the right default, and a few moments ago,
I started building the new database from the production data, with the
intention of switching the betatracker over to the new database by doing an
Apache reload only after the rebuild had completed.

However, testing the betatracker now, I find that it seems it has already
switched over, without me doing any Apache reload; which means that you will
see a tracker with incomplete data for the next couple of hours.  I regret
this, but I don't see any good alternative to pushing through, now that I've
started this.


Regards,

	Henrik

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2012/2/22 Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com>:
> Looking at other associated pages, there are some things which seem odd: =
On
> https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-barnes-atoca-delivery/, there's an=
 'Add'
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now.

Yeah, we don't really need the Add button from a database point of
view anymore, but there's some special logic involved so I ended up
porting it literally.


Ole

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Hi Cindy,

On 2012-02-22 21:31 Cindy Morgan said the following:
> (Note that in the middle of looking at this, I started getting Django errors on the Add/Edit page, and suddenly other stuff stopped working as well, like the Advanced Search feature not having the dropdown menus populated even when the corresponding radio button was clicked.  I am hoping that that is because you guys are in the middle of fixing something else and not that these are new bugs.)
> 
> (Also, all basic searches are returning "No documents match your query.")

Yes.  I just a few moment ago sent you a message about this.  It's a result
of re-building the database for UTF-8, and was not intended to take effect
for the running datatracker until I did a reload of the webserver.  However,
it seems Django follows the settings file with particular ardour, or someone
else did a reload of the webserver for other reasons.

Sorry.

Best regards,

	Henrik

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The main document page currently labels this with " Intended RFC status:"

On 2/22/12 8:18 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
> Hi Cindy, Amy, Ole,
>
> On 2012-02-22 13:55 Ole Laursen said:
>> 2012/2/21 Cindy Morgan<cmorgan@amsl.com>:
>>> On the Add/Edit screen (e.g. https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-avtcore-ecn-for-rtp/edit/info/), was the "Intended status" field (in the production version) changed to "Intended std level" for a reason?  Because I read that as "Intended Standard level," but not all I-Ds/RFC are on the standards track.
>> Hm, the name of the underlying attribute changed and it appears that
>> changed the form, too.
>>
>> Regarding the name, I read it as "intended standardization level". The
>> reason we're going with it in the database is that "status" is a vague
>> word - for a draft/RFC we've consolidated several entities ending up
>> with a bunch of different states/statuses so it ends up being
>> important that we have descriptive names.
>>
>> And it appears we have no good word for standards track maturity level
>> + non-standards track maturity levels + BCP, so that's why it ended up
>> being standardization level. Does that make sense?
>>
>> I can easily change the form back to say intended status, but if you
>> think it's okay, I'd prefer if the interface uses the same terminology
>> as the database?
> As Ole says, since we are moving in the direction of displaying many
> different status fields (WG status, IESG status, RFC-Ed status, and
> more (including the (Internet Std/Proposed Std/Informational/Experimental/...))
> status, we need to be more explicit than saying just "Intended status".
>
> Any appropriately descriptive term for the intended standardization level
> is OK, as long as it can be understood and is distinct from all the other
> status fields we show ...
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> 	Henrik
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On 2012-02-22 13:55 Ole Laursen said:
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Hm, the name of the underlying attribute changed and it appears that
changed the form, too.

Regarding the name, I read it as "intended standardization level". The
reason we're going with it in the database is that "status" is a vague
word - for a draft/RFC we've consolidated several entities ending up
with a bunch of different states/statuses so it ends up being
important that we have descriptive names.

And it appears we have no good word for standards track maturity level
+ non-standards track maturity levels + BCP, so that's why it ended up
being standardization level. Does that make sense?

I can easily change the form back to say intended status, but if you
think it's okay, I'd prefer if the interface uses the same terminology
as the database?
</pre>
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      <pre wrap="">
As Ole says, since we are moving in the direction of displaying many
different status fields (WG status, IESG status, RFC-Ed status, and
more (including the (Internet Std/Proposed Std/Informational/Experimental/...))
status, we need to be more explicit than saying just "Intended status".

Any appropriately descriptive term for the intended standardization level
is OK, as long as it can be understood and is distinct from all the other
status fields we show ...


Best regards,

	Henrik

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On 2012-02-22 21:43 Robert Sparks said the following:
> The main document page currently labels this with " Intended RFC status:"

That seems good to me.

	Henrik

> On 2/22/12 8:18 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>> Hi Cindy, Amy, Ole,
>>
>> On 2012-02-22 13:55 Ole Laursen said:
>>> 2012/2/21 Cindy Morgan<cmorgan@amsl.com>:
>>>> On the Add/Edit screen (e.g. https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-avtcore-ecn-for-rtp/edit/info/), was the "Intended status" field (in the production version) changed to "Intended std level" for a reason?  Because I read that as "Intended Standard level," but not all I-Ds/RFC are on the standards track.
>>> Hm, the name of the underlying attribute changed and it appears that
>>> changed the form, too.
>>>
>>> Regarding the name, I read it as "intended standardization level". The
>>> reason we're going with it in the database is that "status" is a vague
>>> word - for a draft/RFC we've consolidated several entities ending up
>>> with a bunch of different states/statuses so it ends up being
>>> important that we have descriptive names.
>>>
>>> And it appears we have no good word for standards track maturity level
>>> + non-standards track maturity levels + BCP, so that's why it ended up
>>> being standardization level. Does that make sense?
>>>
>>> I can easily change the form back to say intended status, but if you
>>> think it's okay, I'd prefer if the interface uses the same terminology
>>> as the database?
>> As Ole says, since we are moving in the direction of displaying many
>> different status fields (WG status, IESG status, RFC-Ed status, and
>> more (including the (Internet Std/Proposed Std/Informational/Experimental/...))
>> status, we need to be more explicit than saying just "Intended status".
>>
>> Any appropriately descriptive term for the intended standardization level
>> is OK, as long as it can be understood and is distinct from all the other
>> status fields we show ...
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
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2012/2/22 Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>:
> That's really surprising, and I want to double-check that we haven't
> accidentally lost something.

That's a good idea. I was going to say, "this is perhaps a surprise but".

> Your search was on the production code?

Yes.

> I'm seeing idinternal.area_acronym get used in trunk at
> idindex/views.py: def all_id2_entry(id):
> =A0....
> ./idindex/views.py-=A0=A0=A0 if id.idinternal:
> ./idindex/views.py-=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 try:
> ./idindex/views.py:=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 area =3D id.idintern=
al.area_acronym

This code isn't actually in use as far as I can see. Most of the code
in idindex is dead.

> and in the search form
> /idrfc/views_search.py:
> q_objs.append(Q(area_acronym=3Dquery['area']))

This is a bit tricky, because this part is actually going to query the
Rfc table (which is, by the way, not used much in the production
code). I was looking at the code for I-Ds which says:

    elif query['by'] =3D=3D 'area':
        q_objs.append(Q(**{prefix+"group__ietfwg__areagroup__area":query['a=
rea']}))

> What are those replaced with in the new code?

For the query, basically: either doc.group is WG and doc.group.parent
is query area, or doc.group is individual submission and doc.ad area
is query area:

 docs =3D docs.filter(Q(group__type=3D"wg", group__parent=3Dquery["area"]) =
|
                               Q(group__type=3D"individ",
                                 ad__role__name=3D"ad",
                                 ad__role__group=3Dquery["area"]))


Ole

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2012/2/22 Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com>:
> This seems to work now. =A0I still have to figure out why that table goes=
 missing
> at times. =A0Ole, could a single-document conversion trigger this somehow=
??

I don't see how? I don't think I've written any code anywhere inside
Python that can drop a table.


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On 2012-02-22 21:55 Ole Laursen said the following:
> 2012/2/22 Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com>:
>> This seems to work now.  I still have to figure out why that table goes missing
>> at times.  Ole, could a single-document conversion trigger this somehow??
> 
> I don't see how? I don't think I've written any code anywhere inside
> Python that can drop a table.

Ack.  Reasonable.  Just checking.

Thanks,

	Henrik

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On 2/22/12 2:52 PM, Ole Laursen wrote:
> 2012/2/22 Robert Sparks<rjsparks@nostrum.com>:
>> That's really surprising, and I want to double-check that we haven't
>> accidentally lost something.
> That's a good idea. I was going to say, "this is perhaps a surprise but".
>
>> Your search was on the production code?
> Yes.
>
>> I'm seeing idinternal.area_acronym get used in trunk at
>> idindex/views.py: def all_id2_entry(id):
>>   ....
>> ./idindex/views.py-    if id.idinternal:
>> ./idindex/views.py-        try:
>> ./idindex/views.py:            area = id.idinternal.area_acronym
> This code isn't actually in use as far as I can see. Most of the code
> in idindex is dead.
Ok - I agree (the only path into it is wrapped with code that only runs
when not in production mode).
>
>> and in the search form
>> /idrfc/views_search.py:
>> q_objs.append(Q(area_acronym=query['area']))
> This is a bit tricky, because this part is actually going to query the
> Rfc table (which is, by the way, not used much in the production
> code). I was looking at the code for I-Ds which says:
>
>      elif query['by'] == 'area':
>          q_objs.append(Q(**{prefix+"group__ietfwg__areagroup__area":query['area']}))
Fair enough.

So, I'm going to send a summary of this to the IESG (copying this list) 
to spread that bit of information around.

>
>> What are those replaced with in the new code?
> For the query, basically: either doc.group is WG and doc.group.parent
> is query area, or doc.group is individual submission and doc.ad area
> is query area:
>
>   docs = docs.filter(Q(group__type="wg", group__parent=query["area"]) |
>                                 Q(group__type="individ",
>                                   ad__role__name="ad",
>                                   ad__role__group=query["area"]))
>
>
> Ole
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2012/2/22 Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com>:
>
> On 2012-02-22 21:43 Robert Sparks said the following:
>> The main document page currently labels this with " Intended RFC status:"
>
> That seems good to me.

Do you think "RFC status" is clear enough once it's not intended anymore?


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IESG :

Cindy and I stumbled over what we first thought was a bug, but it turned 
out to be a surprising
feature/side-effect of the conversion effort.

The data we've been collecting on the edit-info-form (what we have been 
using to add a document to the
tracker or to change it's IESG state/telechat date, etc.) about which 
area a document belongs to is not being
used by any part of the production datatracker other than that form.



So, it will not appear on the form in the new system (and the data 
collected in the old system is
not being migrated I believe).

That really surprised me, but after digging through the code and 
discussing it with Ole, I'm convinced it's
correct.

If we find a need to start collecting that data again in the future, it 
won't be hard to add.

RjS


On 2/22/12 11:18 AM, Ole Laursen wrote:
> 2012/2/21 Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com 
> <mailto:rjsparks@nostrum.com>>
>
>     The biggest is that the form didn't ask for the area the document
>     should be associated with.
>     It occasionally happens that an AD from outside the area takes the
>     shepherd role for a document, so
>     you can't infer this from which AD is assigned.
>
>
> Right. At the moment, we don't store an area at all. Grepping for it, 
> the only place I managed to find using the attribute apart from the 
> edit form is the agenda document template where the proxy wrapper will 
> infer the area from the WG (if there's a WG) or else from the 
> shepherding AD.
>
> The search page looks for the area of the WG in the old schema if you 
> do a search for area, not the area attribute which is perhaps not 
> surprising if it's only set for documents in the IESG process.
>
> So do you think this is a problem still?
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    IESG :<br>
    <br>
    Cindy and I stumbled over what we first thought was a bug, but it
    turned out to be a surprising<br>
    feature/side-effect of the conversion effort.<br>
    <br>
    The data we've been collecting on the edit-info-form (what we have
    been using to add a document to the<br>
    tracker or to change it's IESG state/telechat date, etc.) about
    which area a document belongs to is not being<br>
    used by any part of the production datatracker other than that form.<br>
    <br>
    <img src="cid:part1.09070009.04090601@nostrum.com" alt=""><br>
    <br>
    So, it will not appear on the form in the new system (and the data
    collected in the old system is <br>
    not being migrated I believe).<br>
    <br>
    That really surprised me, but after digging through the code and
    discussing it with Ole, I'm convinced it's<br>
    correct.<br>
    <br>
    If we find a need to start collecting that data again in the future,
    it won't be hard to add.<br>
    <br>
    RjS<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    On 2/22/12 11:18 AM, Ole Laursen wrote:
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CANb2OvKXRUarNY-Vp+CkA+7P5FZ1=_OfqyO67gOnKfx2bAARCQ@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div class="gmail_quote">2012/2/21 Robert Sparks <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rjsparks@nostrum.com">rjsparks@nostrum.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
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          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">The biggest is that the
            form didn't ask for the area the document should be
            associated with.<br>
            It occasionally happens that an AD from outside the area
            takes the shepherd role for a document, so<br>
            you can't infer this from which AD is assigned.<br>
          </div>
        </blockquote>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Right. At the moment, we don't store an area at all.
          Grepping for it, the only place I managed to find using the
          attribute apart from the edit form is the agenda document
          template where the proxy&nbsp;wrapper will infer the area from the
          WG (if there's a WG) or else from the shepherding AD.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>The search page looks for the area of the WG in the old
          schema if you do a search for area, not the area attribute
          which is perhaps not surprising if it's only set for documents
          in the IESG process.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>So do you think this is a problem still?</div>
        <div>&nbsp;</div>
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On 2/22/12 3:14 PM, Ole Laursen wrote:
> 2012/2/22 Henrik Levkowetz<henrik@levkowetz.com>:
>> On 2012-02-22 21:43 Robert Sparks said the following:
>>> The main document page currently labels this with " Intended RFC status:"
>> That seems good to me.
> Do you think "RFC status" is clear enough once it's not intended anymore?
Are you asking what to show on the main document page when you are 
displaying an RFC?
"RFC status" makes sense there. When you're looking at a version of the 
draft that led to it,
I would still say "intended".

If you're asking about the Edit Info form, we need to be careful - 
remember that we're going
to be adding (very soon now) the ability to issue ballots against 
changing this status (moving
from Proposed to Standard or to Historic for instance), and those are 
Intended status until approved.
>
>
> Ole

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The database re-build is complete.  The beta tracker is now running against
a UTF-8 database.  All recent code fixes have also been applied to the beta
tracker.

Best regards,

	Henrik

On 2012-02-22 21:31 Henrik Levkowetz said the following:
> Hi,
> 
> Robert discovered a problem a couple of days ago, which caused me to dig
> into the database tables and lead to the discovery that the database itself
> been created with default character set 'Latin-1' instead of 'UTF-8'.
> 
> We've created another database with the right default, and a few moments ago,
> I started building the new database from the production data, with the
> intention of switching the betatracker over to the new database by doing an
> Apache reload only after the rebuild had completed.
> 
> However, testing the betatracker now, I find that it seems it has already
> switched over, without me doing any Apache reload; which means that you will
> see a tracker with incomplete data for the next couple of hours.  I regret
> this, but I don't see any good alternative to pushing through, now that I've
> started this.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 	Henrik
> 

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Much better:
<http://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-sync/history/>

On 2/22/12 4:17 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
> The database re-build is complete.  The beta tracker is now running against
> a UTF-8 database.  All recent code fixes have also been applied to the beta
> tracker.
>
> Best regards,
>
> 	Henrik
>
> On 2012-02-22 21:31 Henrik Levkowetz said the following:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Robert discovered a problem a couple of days ago, which caused me to dig
>> into the database tables and lead to the discovery that the database itself
>> been created with default character set 'Latin-1' instead of 'UTF-8'.
>>
>> We've created another database with the right default, and a few moments ago,
>> I started building the new database from the production data, with the
>> intention of switching the betatracker over to the new database by doing an
>> Apache reload only after the rebuild had completed.
>>
>> However, testing the betatracker now, I find that it seems it has already
>> switched over, without me doing any Apache reload; which means that you will
>> see a tracker with incomplete data for the next couple of hours.  I regret
>> this, but I don't see any good alternative to pushing through, now that I've
>> started this.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> 	Henrik
>>

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This should not be true.  A telechat agenda indicates which AD has the =
token, and it shows an Area.  I believe that when Jari was the token =
holder for -two-maturity-level, the area was still "(Gen)".

Russ


On Feb 22, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Robert Sparks wrote:

> IESG :
>=20
> Cindy and I stumbled over what we first thought was a bug, but it =
turned out to be a surprising
> feature/side-effect of the conversion effort.
>=20
> The data we've been collecting on the edit-info-form (what we have =
been using to add a document to the
> tracker or to change it's IESG state/telechat date, etc.) about which =
area a document belongs to is not being
> used by any part of the production datatracker other than that form.
>=20
> <ceficbhd.png>
>=20
> So, it will not appear on the form in the new system (and the data =
collected in the old system is=20
> not being migrated I believe).
>=20
> That really surprised me, but after digging through the code and =
discussing it with Ole, I'm convinced it's
> correct.
>=20
> If we find a need to start collecting that data again in the future, =
it won't be hard to add.
>=20
> RjS
>=20
>=20
> On 2/22/12 11:18 AM, Ole Laursen wrote:
>>=20
>> 2012/2/21 Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>
>> The biggest is that the form didn't ask for the area the document =
should be associated with.
>> It occasionally happens that an AD from outside the area takes the =
shepherd role for a document, so
>> you can't infer this from which AD is assigned.
>>=20
>> Right. At the moment, we don't store an area at all. Grepping for it, =
the only place I managed to find using the attribute apart from the edit =
form is the agenda document template where the proxy wrapper will infer =
the area from the WG (if there's a WG) or else from the shepherding AD.
>>=20
>> The search page looks for the area of the WG in the old schema if you =
do a search for area, not the area attribute which is perhaps not =
surprising if it's only set for documents in the IESG process.
>>=20
>> So do you think this is a problem still?
>> =20
> <snip/>


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<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">This should not be true. &nbsp;A telechat agenda indicates which AD has the token, and it shows an Area. &nbsp;I believe that when Jari was the token holder for -two-maturity-level, the area was still "(Gen)".<div><br></div><div>Russ</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Feb 22, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Robert Sparks wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
  
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    IESG :<br>
    <br>
    Cindy and I stumbled over what we first thought was a bug, but it
    turned out to be a surprising<br>
    feature/side-effect of the conversion effort.<br>
    <br>
    The data we've been collecting on the edit-info-form (what we have
    been using to add a document to the<br>
    tracker or to change it's IESG state/telechat date, etc.) about
    which area a document belongs to is not being<br>
    used by any part of the production datatracker other than that form.<br>
    <br>
    <span>&lt;ceficbhd.png&gt;</span><br>
    <br>
    So, it will not appear on the form in the new system (and the data
    collected in the old system is <br>
    not being migrated I believe).<br>
    <br>
    That really surprised me, but after digging through the code and
    discussing it with Ole, I'm convinced it's<br>
    correct.<br>
    <br>
    If we find a need to start collecting that data again in the future,
    it won't be hard to add.<br>
    <br>
    RjS<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    On 2/22/12 11:18 AM, Ole Laursen wrote:
    <blockquote cite="mid:CANb2OvKXRUarNY-Vp+CkA+7P5FZ1=_OfqyO67gOnKfx2bAARCQ@mail.gmail.com" type="cite">
      <div class="gmail_quote">2012/2/21 Robert Sparks <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rjsparks@nostrum.com">rjsparks@nostrum.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">The biggest is that the
            form didn't ask for the area the document should be
            associated with.<br>
            It occasionally happens that an AD from outside the area
            takes the shepherd role for a document, so<br>
            you can't infer this from which AD is assigned.<br>
          </div>
        </blockquote>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Right. At the moment, we don't store an area at all.
          Grepping for it, the only place I managed to find using the
          attribute apart from the edit form is the agenda document
          template where the proxy&nbsp;wrapper will infer the area from the
          WG (if there's a WG) or else from the shepherding AD.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>The search page looks for the area of the WG in the old
          schema if you do a search for area, not the area attribute
          which is perhaps not surprising if it's only set for documents
          in the IESG process.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>So do you think this is a problem still?</div>
        <div>&nbsp;</div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    &lt;snip/&gt;<br>
  </div>

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I've noticed that some draft event dates are one day apart between =
production and beta.  For example:

In production, Last updated for draft-templin-sealopt is 2012-01-13
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-templin-sealopt/

In beta it is 2012-01-14   (which differs from the date in the document)
http://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-templin-sealopt/=20

Some other documents with the same problem:
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http://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-tsou-mboned-multrans-addr-acquisitio=
n/
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http://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-tyoshino-hybi-websocket-perframe-def=
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Ryan=

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On 22 feb 2012, at 23:21, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:

> Much better:
> <http://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ecrit-lost-sync/history/>

Yes :-)
"North Capital"

> On 2/22/12 4:17 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>> The database re-build is complete.  The beta tracker is now running again=
st
>> a UTF-8 database.  All recent code fixes have also been applied to the be=
ta
>> tracker.
>>=20
>> Best regards,
>>=20
>>    Henrik
>>=20
>> On 2012-02-22 21:31 Henrik Levkowetz said the following:
>>> Hi,
>>>=20
>>> Robert discovered a problem a couple of days ago, which caused me to dig=

>>> into the database tables and lead to the discovery that the database its=
elf
>>> been created with default character set 'Latin-1' instead of 'UTF-8'.
>>>=20
>>> We've created another database with the right default, and a few moments=
 ago,
>>> I started building the new database from the production data, with the
>>> intention of switching the betatracker over to the new database by doing=
 an
>>> Apache reload only after the rebuild had completed.
>>>=20
>>> However, testing the betatracker now, I find that it seems it has alread=
y
>>> switched over, without me doing any Apache reload; which means that you w=
ill
>>> see a tracker with incomplete data for the next couple of hours.  I regr=
et
>>> this, but I don't see any good alternative to pushing through, now that I=
've
>>> started this.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Regards,
>>>=20
>>>    Henrik
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(Ole - question for you below)

Russ -

The existing code isn't displaying an area based on what was set on the 
edit-info form (and wasn't at the time that two-maturity-level was up 
afaict).

Looking in the production system at the next telechat:
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/>

I see things like this:


        3.2.1 New Items

draft-snell-atompub-tombstones 
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-snell-atompub-tombstones/> [txt] 
<http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-snell-atompub-tombstones-14.txt>
The Atom "deleted-entry" Element (Informational)
Token: Peter Saint-Andre (gen area)


I think you might have seen gen for Jari on -two-maturity-level as an 
artifact of whatever is causing gen to show
on that page.

In the trackerbeta, at <http://trackerbeta.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/>, the 
same item looks like this:


        3.2.1 New Items

draft-snell-atompub-tombstones 
<http://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-snell-atompub-tombstones/> [txt] 
<http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-snell-atompub-tombstones-14.txt>
The Atom "deleted-entry" Element (Informational)
Token: Peter Saint-Andre (app area)


Ole - can you let us know why that shows as gen in the production system?


On 2/22/12 4:52 PM, Russ Housley wrote:
> This should not be true.  A telechat agenda indicates which AD has the 
> token, and it shows an Area.  I believe that when Jari was the token 
> holder for -two-maturity-level, the area was still "(Gen)".
>
> Russ
>
>
> On Feb 22, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Robert Sparks wrote:
>
>> IESG :
>>
>> Cindy and I stumbled over what we first thought was a bug, but it 
>> turned out to be a surprising
>> feature/side-effect of the conversion effort.
>>
>> The data we've been collecting on the edit-info-form (what we have 
>> been using to add a document to the
>> tracker or to change it's IESG state/telechat date, etc.) about which 
>> area a document belongs to is not being
>> used by any part of the production datatracker other than that form.
>>
>> <ceficbhd.png>
>>
>> So, it will not appear on the form in the new system (and the data 
>> collected in the old system is
>> not being migrated I believe).
>>
>> That really surprised me, but after digging through the code and 
>> discussing it with Ole, I'm convinced it's
>> correct.
>>
>> If we find a need to start collecting that data again in the future, 
>> it won't be hard to add.
>>
>> RjS
>>
>>
>> On 2/22/12 11:18 AM, Ole Laursen wrote:
>>> 2012/2/21 Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com 
>>> <mailto:rjsparks@nostrum.com>>
>>>
>>>     The biggest is that the form didn't ask for the area the
>>>     document should be associated with.
>>>     It occasionally happens that an AD from outside the area takes
>>>     the shepherd role for a document, so
>>>     you can't infer this from which AD is assigned.
>>>
>>>
>>> Right. At the moment, we don't store an area at all. Grepping for 
>>> it, the only place I managed to find using the attribute apart from 
>>> the edit form is the agenda document template where the 
>>> proxy wrapper will infer the area from the WG (if there's a WG) or 
>>> else from the shepherding AD.
>>>
>>> The search page looks for the area of the WG in the old schema if 
>>> you do a search for area, not the area attribute which is perhaps 
>>> not surprising if it's only set for documents in the IESG process.
>>>
>>> So do you think this is a problem still?
>> <snip/>
>

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    (Ole - question for you below)<br>
    <br>
    Russ - <br>
    <br>
    The existing code isn't displaying an area based on what was set on
    the edit-info form (and wasn't at the time that two-maturity-level
    was up afaict).<br>
    <br>
    Looking in the production system at the next telechat:<br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/">&lt;https://datatracker.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/&gt;</a><br>
    <br>
    I see things like this:<br>
    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
      charset=ISO-8859-1">
    <h4>3.2.1 New Items</h4>
    <table class="agenda-doc">
      <tbody>
        <tr>
          <td>
            <a
              href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-snell-atompub-tombstones/">draft-snell-atompub-tombstones</a>
            <a
              href="http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-snell-atompub-tombstones-14.txt">[txt]</a>
            <br>
            The Atom "deleted-entry" Element (Informational)
            <br>
            Token: Peter Saint-Andre (gen area)
          </td>
        </tr>
      </tbody>
    </table>
    <br>
    I think you might have seen gen for Jari on -two-maturity-level as
    an artifact of whatever is causing gen to show<br>
    on that page.<br>
    <br>
    In the trackerbeta, at
    <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://trackerbeta.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/">&lt;http://trackerbeta.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/&gt;</a>, the same item
    looks like this:<br>
    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
      charset=ISO-8859-1">
    <h4>3.2.1 New Items</h4>
    <table class="agenda-doc">
      <tbody>
        <tr>
          <td>
            <a
              href="http://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-snell-atompub-tombstones/">draft-snell-atompub-tombstones</a>
            <a
              href="http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-snell-atompub-tombstones-14.txt">[txt]</a>
            <br>
            The Atom "deleted-entry" Element (Informational)
            <br>
            Token: Peter Saint-Andre (app area)
          </td>
        </tr>
      </tbody>
    </table>
    <br>
    Ole - can you let us know why that shows as gen in the production
    system?<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    On 2/22/12 4:52 PM, Russ Housley wrote:
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:F3883977-5295-48A7-A226-ABCA5563A2A3@vigilsec.com"
      type="cite">This should not be true. &nbsp;A telechat agenda indicates
      which AD has the token, and it shows an Area. &nbsp;I believe that when
      Jari was the token holder for -two-maturity-level, the area was
      still "(Gen)".
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Russ</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div><br>
        <div>
          <div>On Feb 22, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Robert Sparks wrote:</div>
          <br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
          <blockquote type="cite">
            <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
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            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> IESG :<br>
              <br>
              Cindy and I stumbled over what we first thought was a bug,
              but it turned out to be a surprising<br>
              feature/side-effect of the conversion effort.<br>
              <br>
              The data we've been collecting on the edit-info-form (what
              we have been using to add a document to the<br>
              tracker or to change it's IESG state/telechat date, etc.)
              about which area a document belongs to is not being<br>
              used by any part of the production datatracker other than
              that form.<br>
              <br>
              <span>&lt;ceficbhd.png&gt;</span><br>
              <br>
              So, it will not appear on the form in the new system (and
              the data collected in the old system is <br>
              not being migrated I believe).<br>
              <br>
              That really surprised me, but after digging through the
              code and discussing it with Ole, I'm convinced it's<br>
              correct.<br>
              <br>
              If we find a need to start collecting that data again in
              the future, it won't be hard to add.<br>
              <br>
              RjS<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              On 2/22/12 11:18 AM, Ole Laursen wrote:
              <blockquote
cite="mid:CANb2OvKXRUarNY-Vp+CkA+7P5FZ1=_OfqyO67gOnKfx2bAARCQ@mail.gmail.com"
                type="cite">
                <div class="gmail_quote">2012/2/21 Robert Sparks <span
                    dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:rjsparks@nostrum.com">rjsparks@nostrum.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
                    <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">The biggest is
                      that the form didn't ask for the area the document
                      should be associated with.<br>
                      It occasionally happens that an AD from outside
                      the area takes the shepherd role for a document,
                      so<br>
                      you can't infer this from which AD is assigned.<br>
                    </div>
                  </blockquote>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Right. At the moment, we don't store an area at
                    all. Grepping for it, the only place I managed to
                    find using the attribute apart from the edit form is
                    the agenda document template where the proxy&nbsp;wrapper
                    will infer the area from the WG (if there's a WG) or
                    else from the shepherding AD.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>The search page looks for the area of the WG in
                    the old schema if you do a search for area, not the
                    area attribute which is perhaps not surprising if
                    it's only set for documents in the IESG process.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>So do you think this is a problem still?</div>
                  <div>&nbsp;</div>
                </div>
              </blockquote>
              &lt;snip/&gt;<br>
            </div>
          </blockquote>
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2012/2/22 Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>:
>> Do you think "RFC status" is clear enough once it's not intended anymore?
>
> Are you asking what to show on the main document page when you are
> displaying an RFC? "RFC status" makes sense there. When you're looking at
> a version of the draft that led to it, I would still say "intended".

Okay, yes, that's what I was asking. I'll get this fixed.


> If you're asking about the Edit Info form, we need to be careful - remember
> that we're going to be adding (very soon now) the ability to issue ballots
> against changing this status (moving from Proposed to Standard or to Historic
> for instance), and those are Intended status until approved.

Right.


Ole

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2012/2/23 Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>

> 3.2.1 New Items   draft-snell-atompub-tombstones<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-snell-atompub-tombstones/>
> [txt] <http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-snell-atompub-tombstones-14.txt>
> The Atom "deleted-entry" Element (Informational)
> Token: Peter Saint-Andre (gen area)
>

Ah, hang on there. This is actually the single place I was referring to
before where the set area_acronym is used. So it says "gen" because "gen"
was set when it was added. You can't see this elsewhere, and it won't work
for searching either (actually, searching for gen area in the production
system does find this document but this is because it's an invididual
submission, and those are classified under gen for some reason).

I think there used to be a special handling of area in the edit form in
the Perl code base and the first port of it, that would put individual
submissions in gen and hide the area if it had already been assigned. So if
you're wondering why it's in gen and not in app, that may be the cause.


Ole

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2012/2/23 Robert Sparks <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=
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r><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-right:0p=
x;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-col=
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    <table style>
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            <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-snell-atompub=
-tombstones/" target=3D"_blank">draft-snell-atompub-tombstones</a>
            <a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-snell-atompub-tombstone=
s-14.txt" target=3D"_blank">[txt]</a>
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            The Atom &quot;deleted-entry&quot; Element (Informational)
            <br>
            Token: Peter Saint-Andre (gen area)</td></tr></tbody></table></=
div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ah, hang on there. This is actually th=
e single place I was referring to before where the set area_acronym is used=
. So it says &quot;gen&quot; because &quot;gen&quot; was set when it was ad=
ded. You can&#39;t see this elsewhere, and it won&#39;t work for searching =
either (actually, searching for gen area in the production system does find=
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hose are classified under gen for some reason).</div>

<div><br></div><div>I think there used to be a special handling of area in =
the=A0edit form in the=A0Perl code base and the first port of it, that woul=
d put individual submissions in gen and hide the area if it had already bee=
n assigned. So if you&#39;re wondering why it&#39;s in gen and not in app, =
that may be the cause.</div>

<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Ole</div></div>

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Hi Ole,

On 2012-02-23 15:20 Ole Laursen said:
> 2012/2/23 Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>
>=20
>> 3.2.1 New Items   draft-snell-atompub-tombstones<https://datatracker.i=
etf.org/doc/draft-snell-atompub-tombstones/>
>> [txt] <http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-snell-atompub-tombstones-14.txt>
>> The Atom "deleted-entry" Element (Informational)
>> Token: Peter Saint-Andre (gen area)
>>
>=20
> Ah, hang on there. This is actually the single place I was referring to=

> before where the set area_acronym is used. So it says "gen" because "ge=
n"
> was set when it was added. You can't see this elsewhere, and it won't w=
ork
> for searching either (actually, searching for gen area in the productio=
n
> system does find this document but this is because it's an invididual
> submission, and those are classified under gen for some reason).
>=20
> I think there used to be a special handling of area in the edit form in=

> the Perl code base and the first port of it, that would put individual
> submissions in gen and hide the area if it had already been assigned. S=
o if
> you're wondering why it's in gen and not in app, that may be the cause.=


Ok, so if this is used by the IESG or some ADs during the IESG processing=
,
we should support it.  Do we have a straightforward way of associating a
non-WG document with an area independently of who the sponsoring AD is?

Since areas are groups, too, we should be able to have an association wit=
h
the area in the same way that wg documents are associated with a WG, I th=
ink.


Best regards,

	Henrik



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Well, we should circle back with Henrik on this then.

On 2/23/12 8:20 AM, Ole Laursen wrote:
> 2012/2/23 Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com 
> <mailto:rjsparks@nostrum.com>>
>
>
>             3.2.1 New Items
>
>     draft-snell-atompub-tombstones
>     <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-snell-atompub-tombstones/>
>     [txt] <http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-snell-atompub-tombstones-14.txt>
>     The Atom "deleted-entry" Element (Informational)
>     Token: Peter Saint-Andre (gen area)
>
>
> Ah, hang on there. This is actually the single place I was referring 
> to before where the set area_acronym is used. So it says "gen" because 
> "gen" was set when it was added. You can't see this elsewhere, and it 
> won't work for searching either (actually, searching for gen area in 
> the production system does find this document but this is because it's 
> an invididual submission, and those are classified under gen for some 
> reason).
>
> I think there used to be a special handling of area in the edit form 
> in the Perl code base and the first port of it, that would put 
> individual submissions in gen and hide the area if it had already been 
> assigned. So if you're wondering why it's in gen and not in app, that 
> may be the cause.
>
>
> Ole

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    Well, we should circle back with Henrik on this then.<br>
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    On 2/23/12 8:20 AM, Ole Laursen wrote:
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cite="mid:CANb2OvKJy=HT34KNFXFzN+3V6L33SgxUfxrrh_H2XufXPe6nXQ@mail.gmail.com"
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      <div class="gmail_quote">2012/2/23 Robert Sparks <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
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        <div>Ah, hang on there. This is actually the single place I was
          referring to before where the set area_acronym is used. So it
          says "gen" because "gen" was set when it was added. You can't
          see this elsewhere, and it won't work for searching either
          (actually, searching for gen area in the production system
          does find this document but this is because it's an invididual
          submission, and those are classified under gen for some
          reason).</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>I think there used to be a special handling of area in
          the&nbsp;edit form in the&nbsp;Perl code base and the first port of it,
          that would put individual submissions in gen and hide the area
          if it had already been assigned. So if you're wondering why
          it's in gen and not in app, that may be the cause.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
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        <div>Ole</div>
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>>> 3.2.1 New Items   =
draft-snell-atompub-tombstones<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-snel=
l-atompub-tombstones/>
>>> [txt] <http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-snell-atompub-tombstones-14.txt>
>>> The Atom "deleted-entry" Element (Informational)
>>> Token: Peter Saint-Andre (gen area)
>>>=20
>>=20
>> Ah, hang on there. This is actually the single place I was referring =
to
>> before where the set area_acronym is used. So it says "gen" because =
"gen"
>> was set when it was added. You can't see this elsewhere, and it won't =
work
>> for searching either (actually, searching for gen area in the =
production
>> system does find this document but this is because it's an invididual
>> submission, and those are classified under gen for some reason).
>>=20
>> I think there used to be a special handling of area in the edit form =
in
>> the Perl code base and the first port of it, that would put =
individual
>> submissions in gen and hide the area if it had already been assigned. =
So if
>> you're wondering why it's in gen and not in app, that may be the =
cause.
>=20
> Ok, so if this is used by the IESG or some ADs during the IESG =
processing,
> we should support it.  Do we have a straightforward way of associating =
a
> non-WG document with an area independently of who the sponsoring AD =
is?

In cases like two-maturity-level, the AD is helping another area.  We =
need this info.

In addition, as Sean said on the IESG list, the RFC Editor can use this =
to determine which are ought to handle errata for the document.

Russ


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Maybe we could use it to figure out which area errata should be assigned to?=
  Especially useful for ad sponsored drafts.

Spt

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 23, 2012, at 5:52 AM, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:

> This should not be true.  A telechat agenda indicates which AD has the tok=
en, and it shows an Area.  I believe that when Jari was the token holder for=
 -two-maturity-level, the area was still "(Gen)".
>=20
> Russ
>=20
>=20
> On Feb 22, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Robert Sparks wrote:
>=20
>> IESG :
>>=20
>> Cindy and I stumbled over what we first thought was a bug, but it turned o=
ut to be a surprising
>> feature/side-effect of the conversion effort.
>>=20
>> The data we've been collecting on the edit-info-form (what we have been u=
sing to add a document to the
>> tracker or to change it's IESG state/telechat date, etc.) about which are=
a a document belongs to is not being
>> used by any part of the production datatracker other than that form.
>>=20
>> <ceficbhd.png>
>>=20
>> So, it will not appear on the form in the new system (and the data collec=
ted in the old system is=20
>> not being migrated I believe).
>>=20
>> That really surprised me, but after digging through the code and discussi=
ng it with Ole, I'm convinced it's
>> correct.
>>=20
>> If we find a need to start collecting that data again in the future, it w=
on't be hard to add.
>>=20
>> RjS
>>=20
>>=20
>> On 2/22/12 11:18 AM, Ole Laursen wrote:
>>>=20
>>> 2012/2/21 Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>
>>> The biggest is that the form didn't ask for the area the document should=
 be associated with.
>>> It occasionally happens that an AD from outside the area takes the sheph=
erd role for a document, so
>>> you can't infer this from which AD is assigned.
>>>=20
>>> Right. At the moment, we don't store an area at all. Grepping for it, th=
e only place I managed to find using the attribute apart from the edit form i=
s the agenda document template where the proxy wrapper will infer the area f=
rom the WG (if there's a WG) or else from the shepherding AD.
>>>=20
>>> The search page looks for the area of the WG in the old schema if you do=
 a search for area, not the area attribute which is perhaps not surprising i=
f it's only set for documents in the IESG process.
>>>=20
>>> So do you think this is a problem still?
>>> =20
>> <snip/>
>=20

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<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Maybe we could use it to figure out which area errata should be assigned to? &nbsp;Especially useful for ad sponsored drafts.</div><div><br></div><div>Spt<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Feb 23, 2012, at 5:52 AM, Russ Housley &lt;<a href="mailto:housley@vigilsec.com">housley@vigilsec.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>This should not be true. &nbsp;A telechat agenda indicates which AD has the token, and it shows an Area. &nbsp;I believe that when Jari was the token holder for -two-maturity-level, the area was still "(Gen)".<div><br></div><div>Russ</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Feb 22, 2012, at 4:16 PM, Robert Sparks wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
  
    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
  
  <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
    IESG :<br>
    <br>
    Cindy and I stumbled over what we first thought was a bug, but it
    turned out to be a surprising<br>
    feature/side-effect of the conversion effort.<br>
    <br>
    The data we've been collecting on the edit-info-form (what we have
    been using to add a document to the<br>
    tracker or to change it's IESG state/telechat date, etc.) about
    which area a document belongs to is not being<br>
    used by any part of the production datatracker other than that form.<br>
    <br>
    <span>&lt;ceficbhd.png&gt;</span><br>
    <br>
    So, it will not appear on the form in the new system (and the data
    collected in the old system is <br>
    not being migrated I believe).<br>
    <br>
    That really surprised me, but after digging through the code and
    discussing it with Ole, I'm convinced it's<br>
    correct.<br>
    <br>
    If we find a need to start collecting that data again in the future,
    it won't be hard to add.<br>
    <br>
    RjS<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    On 2/22/12 11:18 AM, Ole Laursen wrote:
    <blockquote cite="mid:CANb2OvKXRUarNY-Vp+CkA+7P5FZ1=_OfqyO67gOnKfx2bAARCQ@mail.gmail.com" type="cite">
      <div class="gmail_quote">2012/2/21 Robert Sparks <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rjsparks@nostrum.com">rjsparks@nostrum.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">The biggest is that the
            form didn't ask for the area the document should be
            associated with.<br>
            It occasionally happens that an AD from outside the area
            takes the shepherd role for a document, so<br>
            you can't infer this from which AD is assigned.<br>
          </div>
        </blockquote>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Right. At the moment, we don't store an area at all.
          Grepping for it, the only place I managed to find using the
          attribute apart from the edit form is the agenda document
          template where the proxy&nbsp;wrapper will infer the area from the
          WG (if there's a WG) or else from the shepherding AD.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>The search page looks for the area of the WG in the old
          schema if you do a search for area, not the area attribute
          which is perhaps not surprising if it's only set for documents
          in the IESG process.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>So do you think this is a problem still?</div>
        <div>&nbsp;</div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    &lt;snip/&gt;<br>
  </div>

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2012/2/23 Ryan Cross <rcross@amsl.com>:
> I've noticed that some draft event dates are one day apart between produc=
tion and beta. =A0For example:
>
> In production, Last updated for draft-templin-sealopt is 2012-01-13
> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-templin-sealopt/
>
> In beta it is 2012-01-14 =A0 (which differs from the date in the document=
)
> http://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-templin-sealopt/

It looks like it's the date of the last submission that cause this
discrepancy. It turns out this is because the DraftVersions data is a
bit off, at least as far as I can tell. I've switched it to merge in
data from the draft itself in a better way (so the earliest revision
data wins), this seems to fix this.


Ole

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2012/2/23 Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com>:
> Ok, so if this is used by the IESG or some ADs during the IESG processing=
,
> we should support it. =A0Do we have a straightforward way of associating =
a
> non-WG document with an area independently of who the sponsoring AD is?
>
> Since areas are groups, too, we should be able to have an association wit=
h
> the area in the same way that wg documents are associated with a WG, I th=
ink.

Yes. It sounds like we need to keep track of the area for a few
individually submitted documents here that conceptually belong to an
area, in the same way as WG drafts belong to a WG? Is that correct?

If so, I suggest we just associate the document with the area instead
of the phony individual group and be done with it. I can add some UI
for that. Does that sound agreeable?


Ole

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On 2/23/12 2:20 PM, Ole Laursen wrote:
> 2012/2/23 Henrik Levkowetz<henrik@levkowetz.com>:
>> Ok, so if this is used by the IESG or some ADs during the IESG processing,
>> we should support it.  Do we have a straightforward way of associating a
>> non-WG document with an area independently of who the sponsoring AD is?
>>
>> Since areas are groups, too, we should be able to have an association with
>> the area in the same way that wg documents are associated with a WG, I think.
> Yes. It sounds like we need to keep track of the area for a few
> individually submitted documents here that conceptually belong to an
> area, in the same way as WG drafts belong to a WG? Is that correct?
I think this is mismodeling what we need a bit. Focusing on the 
individually submitted
nature of the document may not be right. To put stress on it:

How would you handle a document from a RAI working group that both 
Gonzalo and I needed
to recuse on. Some other AD (let say Peter for this example) would be 
the sponsor.
The doc should show from RAI and as a product of that RAI WG.

It seems natural to just have an area associated with a document at any 
time it is identified as IETF stream.

>
> If so, I suggest we just associate the document with the area instead
> of the phony individual group and be done with it. I can add some UI
> for that. Does that sound agreeable?
Treating individual submissions as belonging to a psuedo-group has 
always disturbed me,
but I don't know if that first proposal is the right fix.

>
>
> Ole

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On Feb 23, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Ole Laursen wrote:

> 2012/2/23 Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com>:
>> Ok, so if this is used by the IESG or some ADs during the IESG =
processing,
>> we should support it.  Do we have a straightforward way of =
associating a
>> non-WG document with an area independently of who the sponsoring AD =
is?
>>=20
>> Since areas are groups, too, we should be able to have an association =
with
>> the area in the same way that wg documents are associated with a WG, =
I think.
>=20
> Yes. It sounds like we need to keep track of the area for a few
> individually submitted documents here that conceptually belong to an
> area, in the same way as WG drafts belong to a WG? Is that correct?
>=20
> If so, I suggest we just associate the document with the area instead
> of the phony individual group and be done with it. I can add some UI
> for that. Does that sound agreeable?

I think that every IETF Stream document should have an associated Area.

Russ


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Hi Ole,

On 2012-02-23 21:20 Ole Laursen said the following:
> 2012/2/23 Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com>:
>> Ok, so if this is used by the IESG or some ADs during the IESG processing,
>> we should support it.  Do we have a straightforward way of associating a
>> non-WG document with an area independently of who the sponsoring AD is?
>>
>> Since areas are groups, too, we should be able to have an association with
>> the area in the same way that wg documents are associated with a WG, I think.
> 
> Yes. It sounds like we need to keep track of the area for a few
> individually submitted documents here that conceptually belong to an
> area, in the same way as WG drafts belong to a WG? Is that correct?

Yes.

> If so, I suggest we just associate the document with the area instead
> of the phony individual group and be done with it. I can add some UI
> for that. Does that sound agreeable?

The document should be associated with an Area at the point where it is
accepted for sponsoring by an AD (but the area would not necessarily be
the area of the sponsoring AD) -- before that it doesn't have an
association with an area, if it's not a WG document, I believe.


Best regards,

	Henrik


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Hi Robert, Ole,

On 2012-02-23 21:33 Robert Sparks said the following:
> 
> 
> On 2/23/12 2:20 PM, Ole Laursen wrote:
>> 2012/2/23 Henrik Levkowetz<henrik@levkowetz.com>:
>>> Ok, so if this is used by the IESG or some ADs during the IESG processing,
>>> we should support it.  Do we have a straightforward way of associating a
>>> non-WG document with an area independently of who the sponsoring AD is?
>>>
>>> Since areas are groups, too, we should be able to have an association with
>>> the area in the same way that wg documents are associated with a WG, I think.
>>
>> Yes. It sounds like we need to keep track of the area for a few
>> individually submitted documents here that conceptually belong to an
>> area, in the same way as WG drafts belong to a WG? Is that correct?
>
> I think this is mismodeling what we need a bit. Focusing on the
> individually submitted nature of the document may not be right. To
> put stress on it:
> 
> How would you handle a document from a RAI working group that both
> Gonzalo and I needed to recuse on. Some other AD (let say Peter for
> this example) would be the sponsor. The doc should show from RAI and
> as a product of that RAI WG.

Agreed, but that's in line with what I (am trying to, at least!) propose
above.  See more below.

> It seems natural to just have an area associated with a document at
> any time it is identified as IETF stream.

What I'm proposing is that this association can be either indirectly,
through an association with a WG, which would give the area of the WG;
or directly set to an area (which is independent of the area of any 
sponsoring AD).

>> If so, I suggest we just associate the document with the area instead
>> of the phony individual group and be done with it. I can add some UI
>> for that. Does that sound agreeable?

> Treating individual submissions as belonging to a psuedo-group has
> always disturbed me, but I don't know if that first proposal is the
> right fix.

The alternative is to not associate them with a group at all, until they
have been accepted by a WG, or a sponsoring AD.  I think that for the
purpose of code uniformity it's easier to associate them with a group
'Individual Contributions' (or whatever) than to code the equivalent of

  if doc.group == None:
     print "Individual"
  else:
     print doc.group

everywhere we need to show something for such a document.


Best regards,

	Henrik

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Hi Russ,

On 2012-02-23 21:35 Russ Housley said the following:
> 
> On Feb 23, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Ole Laursen wrote:
> 
>> 2012/2/23 Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com>:
>>> Ok, so if this is used by the IESG or some ADs during the IESG processing,
>>> we should support it.  Do we have a straightforward way of associating a
>>> non-WG document with an area independently of who the sponsoring AD is?
>>> 
>>> Since areas are groups, too, we should be able to have an association with
>>> the area in the same way that wg documents are associated with a WG, I think.
>> 
>> Yes. It sounds like we need to keep track of the area for a few
>> individually submitted documents here that conceptually belong to an
>> area, in the same way as WG drafts belong to a WG? Is that correct?
>> 
>> If so, I suggest we just associate the document with the area instead
>> of the phony individual group and be done with it. I can add some UI
>> for that. Does that sound agreeable?
> 
> I think that every IETF Stream document should have an associated Area.

I think we're in agreement, and I think that's the result of the proposed
mechanism.


Best regards,

	Henrik

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On 2012-02-23 14:18 Ole Laursen said the following:
> 2012/2/22 Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>:
>>> Do you think "RFC status" is clear enough once it's not intended anymore?
>>
>> Are you asking what to show on the main document page when you are
>> displaying an RFC? "RFC status" makes sense there. When you're looking at
>> a version of the draft that led to it, I would still say "intended".
> 
> Okay, yes, that's what I was asking. I'll get this fixed.
> 
> 
>> If you're asking about the Edit Info form, we need to be careful - remember
>> that we're going to be adding (very soon now) the ability to issue ballots
>> against changing this status (moving from Proposed to Standard or to Historic
>> for instance), and those are Intended status until approved.
> 
> Right.

Fix deployed.


	Henrik

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On 2012-02-23 20:13 Ole Laursen said the following:
> 2012/2/23 Ryan Cross <rcross@amsl.com>:
>> I've noticed that some draft event dates are one day apart between production and beta.  For example:
>>
>> In production, Last updated for draft-templin-sealopt is 2012-01-13
>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-templin-sealopt/
>>
>> In beta it is 2012-01-14   (which differs from the date in the document)
>> http://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-templin-sealopt/
> 
> It looks like it's the date of the last submission that cause this
> discrepancy. It turns out this is because the DraftVersions data is a
> bit off, at least as far as I can tell. I've switched it to merge in
> data from the draft itself in a better way (so the earliest revision
> data wins), this seems to fix this.

Fix deployed.


	Henrik


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On 2/23/12 2:59 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
> Hi Robert, Ole,
>
> On 2012-02-23 21:33 Robert Sparks said the following:
>>
>> On 2/23/12 2:20 PM, Ole Laursen wrote:
>>> 2012/2/23 Henrik Levkowetz<henrik@levkowetz.com>:
>>>> Ok, so if this is used by the IESG or some ADs during the IESG processing,
>>>> we should support it.  Do we have a straightforward way of associating a
>>>> non-WG document with an area independently of who the sponsoring AD is?
>>>>
>>>> Since areas are groups, too, we should be able to have an association with
>>>> the area in the same way that wg documents are associated with a WG, I think.
>>> Yes. It sounds like we need to keep track of the area for a few
>>> individually submitted documents here that conceptually belong to an
>>> area, in the same way as WG drafts belong to a WG? Is that correct?
>> I think this is mismodeling what we need a bit. Focusing on the
>> individually submitted nature of the document may not be right. To
>> put stress on it:
>>
>> How would you handle a document from a RAI working group that both
>> Gonzalo and I needed to recuse on. Some other AD (let say Peter for
>> this example) would be the sponsor. The doc should show from RAI and
>> as a product of that RAI WG.
> Agreed, but that's in line with what I (am trying to, at least!) propose
> above.  See more below.
>
>> It seems natural to just have an area associated with a document at
>> any time it is identified as IETF stream.
> What I'm proposing is that this association can be either indirectly,
> through an association with a WG, which would give the area of the WG;
> or directly set to an area (which is independent of the area of any
> sponsoring AD).

I'm OK with this proposal.
Just to make sure I'm following the thinking -

If I had a Document, I could ask it for its area. If it was an 
IETF-stream document,
it would have something to say, either because it could tell because 
what working
group it came from, or someone would have been required to tell it what 
its area
was when it became IETF stream. If it wasn't IETF stream, area would be 
None.

The only part that bothers me is knowing when to insist that someone 
provide the information,
but that should be reasonably containable.

>
>>> If so, I suggest we just associate the document with the area instead
>>> of the phony individual group and be done with it. I can add some UI
>>> for that. Does that sound agreeable?
>> Treating individual submissions as belonging to a psuedo-group has
>> always disturbed me, but I don't know if that first proposal is the
>> right fix.
> The alternative is to not associate them with a group at all, until they
> have been accepted by a WG, or a sponsoring AD.  I think that for the
> purpose of code uniformity it's easier to associate them with a group
> 'Individual Contributions' (or whatever) than to code the equivalent of
>
>    if doc.group == None:
>       print "Individual"
>    else:
>       print doc.group
>
> everywhere we need to show something for such a document.
Well, there's more to it than that or you would just bury that bit of 
complexity in
something like doc.displayDocumentSource()

But I have to apologize - I still have to be reminded that "Group" in 
the new
schema is modeling something quite a bit more than an IETF working group.

There are things like nomcoms, and external bodies, and a while bunch of 
other things
that are Groups, so having a Group out there that is the container for 
IETF stream
individual submission documents isn't bad.  What I've cringed at is that 
someone might
want to get/set the chairs of that group.

>
>
> Best regards,
>
> 	Henrik

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Hi Robert,

Inline:

On 2012-02-23 22:53 Robert Sparks said the following:
> Inline
> 
> On 2/23/12 2:59 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>> Hi Robert, Ole,
>>
>> On 2012-02-23 21:33 Robert Sparks said the following:
>>>
>>> On 2/23/12 2:20 PM, Ole Laursen wrote:
>>>> 2012/2/23 Henrik Levkowetz<henrik@levkowetz.com>:
>>>>> Ok, so if this is used by the IESG or some ADs during the IESG processing,
>>>>> we should support it.  Do we have a straightforward way of associating a
>>>>> non-WG document with an area independently of who the sponsoring AD is?
>>>>>
>>>>> Since areas are groups, too, we should be able to have an association with
>>>>> the area in the same way that wg documents are associated with a WG, I think.
>>>> Yes. It sounds like we need to keep track of the area for a few
>>>> individually submitted documents here that conceptually belong to an
>>>> area, in the same way as WG drafts belong to a WG? Is that correct?
>>> I think this is mismodeling what we need a bit. Focusing on the
>>> individually submitted nature of the document may not be right. To
>>> put stress on it:
>>>
>>> How would you handle a document from a RAI working group that both
>>> Gonzalo and I needed to recuse on. Some other AD (let say Peter for
>>> this example) would be the sponsor. The doc should show from RAI and
>>> as a product of that RAI WG.
>> Agreed, but that's in line with what I (am trying to, at least!) propose
>> above.  See more below.
>>
>>> It seems natural to just have an area associated with a document at
>>> any time it is identified as IETF stream.
>> What I'm proposing is that this association can be either indirectly,
>> through an association with a WG, which would give the area of the WG;
>> or directly set to an area (which is independent of the area of any
>> sponsoring AD).
> 
> I'm OK with this proposal.
> Just to make sure I'm following the thinking -
> 
> If I had a Document, I could ask it for its area. If it was an 
> IETF-stream document, it would have something to say, either because 
> it could tell because what working group it came from, or someone 
> would have been required to tell it what its area was when it became 
> IETF stream. If it wasn't IETF stream, area would be None.

Ack.

> The only part that bothers me is knowing when to insist that someone
> provide the information, but that should be reasonably containable.

Agreed.

>>
>>>> If so, I suggest we just associate the document with the area instead
>>>> of the phony individual group and be done with it. I can add some UI
>>>> for that. Does that sound agreeable?
>>> Treating individual submissions as belonging to a psuedo-group has
>>> always disturbed me, but I don't know if that first proposal is the
>>> right fix.
>> The alternative is to not associate them with a group at all, until they
>> have been accepted by a WG, or a sponsoring AD.  I think that for the
>> purpose of code uniformity it's easier to associate them with a group
>> 'Individual Contributions' (or whatever) than to code the equivalent of
>>
>>    if doc.group == None:
>>       print "Individual"
>>    else:
>>       print doc.group
>>
>> everywhere we need to show something for such a document.
> Well, there's more to it than that or you would just bury that bit of 
> complexity in
> something like doc.displayDocumentSource()
> 
> But I have to apologize - I still have to be reminded that "Group"
> in the new schema is modeling something quite a bit more than an IETF
> working group.

Ah.  Right.  Ok.

> There are things like nomcoms, and external bodies, and a while bunch
> of other things that are Groups, so having a Group out there that is
> the container for IETF stream individual submission documents isn't
> bad. What I've cringed at is that someone might want to get/set the
> chairs of that group.

<<grin>>  Yes, we wouldn't want that.  It would be possible to enforce
limitations on that by using an extra table which gives permissible
role names for each group type; not really hard to do.  But we might
alternatively expect the Secretariat to not do silly things :-)


Best regards,

	Henrik

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Hi,

I had written up a bug report about DNP messages being generated as =
regular approval announcements, but it looks like that's been fixed =
sometime in the last couple of hours, so: thank you!  However, there are =
still a couple of other small issues.

Looking at the approval announcement text for draft-barnes-atoca-escape =
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ext/):

- The first sentence of the message reads: "The IESG has completed a =
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"<draft-foo>" part is supposed to be populated with the actual draft =
name.

- The same <draft-foo> thing shows up in IRTF stream docs as well (see =
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Hi,

In the approval announcements for IETF stream documents, it looks like =
the tracker is treating all of the messages as Protocol Actions, e.g. =
"Subject: Protocol Action: 'Analysis of Stateful 64 Translation' to =
Informational RFC (draft-ietf-behave-64-analysis-06.txt)."  However, it =
is only approval announcements for Standards Track and BCP documents =
that are Protocol Actions.  Approval announcements for Informational, =
Experimental and Historic* documents are Document Actions.

(*Acknowledging that Historic docs are funny sometimes and per the IESG =
statement on Historic, we sometimes have to change them to Document =
Actions manually.)

Thanks,
Cindy

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Hi,

When attempting to view the approval announcement text for =
draft-moonesamy-rfc2369bis before an Intended RFC Status had been =
entered for the document, I got the error below.  (Once an Intended RFC =
Status was entered, the message did show up as it should.)

AttributeError at /doc/draft-moonesamy-rfc2369bis/edit/approvaltext/=20

Environment:

Request Method: GET
Request URL: =
https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-moonesamy-rfc2369bis/edit/approvalt=
ext/
Django Version: 1.2.7 SVN-3951
Python Version: 2.6.0
Installed Applications:
['django.contrib.auth',
 'django.contrib.contenttypes',
 'django.contrib.sessions',
 'django.contrib.sites',
 'django.contrib.sitemaps',
 'django.contrib.admin',
 'django.contrib.admindocs',
 'django.contrib.humanize',
 'south',
 'workflows',
 'permissions',
 'ietf.person',
 'ietf.name',
 'ietf.group',
 'ietf.doc',
 'ietf.message',
 'ietf.announcements',
 'ietf.idindex',
 'ietf.idtracker',
 'ietf.ietfauth',
 'ietf.iesg',
 'ietf.ipr',
 'ietf.liaisons',
 'ietf.mailinglists',
 'ietf.meeting',
 'ietf.proceedings',
 'ietf.redirects',
 'ietf.idrfc',
 'ietf.wginfo',
 'ietf.submit',
 'ietf.ietfworkflows',
 'ietf.wgchairs',
 'ietf.wgcharter']
Installed Middleware:
('django.middleware.common.CommonMiddleware',
 'django.contrib.sessions.middleware.SessionMiddleware',
 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.AuthenticationMiddleware',
 'django.contrib.auth.middleware.RemoteUserMiddleware',
 'django.middleware.doc.XViewMiddleware',
 'ietf.middleware.SQLLogMiddleware',
 'ietf.middleware.SMTPExceptionMiddleware',
 'ietf.middleware.RedirectTrailingPeriod',
 'django.middleware.transaction.TransactionMiddleware',
 'ietf.middleware.UnicodeNfkcNormalization')


Traceback:
File "/a/www/ietf-trackerbeta/web/django/core/handlers/base.py" in =
get_response
  100.                     response =3D callback(request, =
*callback_args, **callback_kwargs)
File "/a/home/henrik/tracker/4.00rc1/ietf/ietfauth/decorators.py" in =
inner
  51.                 return view_func(request, *args, **kwargs)
File "/a/www/ietf-trackerbeta/web/ietf/idrfc/views_ballot.py" in =
ballot_approvaltextREDESIGN
  1074.         existing =3D generate_approval_mail(request, doc)
File "/www/ietf-trackerbeta/web/ietf/idrfc/mails.py" in =
generate_approval_mailREDESIGN
  285.         mail =3D generate_approval_mail_approved(request, doc)
File "/www/ietf-trackerbeta/web/ietf/idrfc/mails.py" in =
generate_approval_mail_approved
  298.     doc.full_status =3D =
full_intended_status(doc.intended_std_level.name)

Exception Type: AttributeError at =
/doc/draft-moonesamy-rfc2369bis/edit/approvaltext/
Exception Value: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'name'

Thanks,
Cindy


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Hi Cindy,

On 2012-02-23 23:25 Cindy Morgan said the following:
> When attempting to view the approval announcement text for
> draft-moonesamy-rfc2369bis before an Intended RFC Status had been
> entered for the document, I got the error below.

Right.  A fix to handle the case where the Intended RFC Status hasn't
been set was committed by Ole 11:22 PST and deployed by me 13:31 PST.

It would however be good to know which path you took to get to the view
that blew up without setting the Intended RFC Status?


Thanks for the testing, and best regards,

	Henrik

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On Feb 23, 2012, at 2:35 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:

> Hi Cindy,
>=20
> On 2012-02-23 23:25 Cindy Morgan said the following:
>> When attempting to view the approval announcement text for
>> draft-moonesamy-rfc2369bis before an Intended RFC Status had been
>> entered for the document, I got the error below.
>=20
> Right.  A fix to handle the case where the Intended RFC Status hasn't
> been set was committed by Ole 11:22 PST and deployed by me 13:31 PST.

Ah, that's what I get for going to lunch in between testing and writing =
up the bug report. :-)

> It would however be good to know which path you took to get to the =
view
> that blew up without setting the Intended RFC Status?


=46rom https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-moonesamy-rfc2369bis/, I =
clicked on the "Announcement Text" link =
(https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-moonesamy-rfc2369bis/edit/approval=
text/), and that's when I got the error.

Thanks,
Cindy

>=20
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Hi Cindy,

On 2012-02-23 23:44 Cindy Morgan said the following:
> 
> On Feb 23, 2012, at 2:35 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
> 
>> Hi Cindy,
>> 
>> On 2012-02-23 23:25 Cindy Morgan said the following:
>>> When attempting to view the approval announcement text for
>>> draft-moonesamy-rfc2369bis before an Intended RFC Status had been
>>> entered for the document, I got the error below.
>> 
>> Right.  A fix to handle the case where the Intended RFC Status hasn't
>> been set was committed by Ole 11:22 PST and deployed by me 13:31 PST.
> 
> Ah, that's what I get for going to lunch in between testing and
> writing up the bug report. :-)

Heh :-)

We received an email from the tracker about the problem, with the stack
dump (similar to what you see in the browser in test mode when something
blows up) and Ole jumped on it and put in a fix.

>> It would however be good to know which path you took to get to the view
>> that blew up without setting the Intended RFC Status?
> 
> 
> From https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-moonesamy-rfc2369bis/, I
> clicked on the "Announcement Text" link
> (https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-moonesamy-rfc2369bis/edit/approvaltext/),
> and that's when I got the error.

Ah.  Thanks!

Best regards,

	Henrik


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On 2012-02-23 23:14 Cindy Morgan said:
> Looking at the approval announcement text for draft-barnes-atoca-escape (https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-barnes-atoca-escape/edit/approvaltext/):
> 
> - The first sentence of the message reads: "The IESG has completed a review of <draft-foo> consistent with RFC5742."  I am guessing that the "<draft-foo>" part is supposed to be populated with the actual draft name.
> 
> - The same <draft-foo> thing shows up in IRTF stream docs as well (see https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-hiprg-proxies/edit/approvaltext/)

Fix deployed!


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2012/2/23 Cindy Morgan <cmorgan@amsl.com>:
> - The first sentence of the message reads: "The IESG has completed a revi=
ew of <draft-foo> consistent with RFC5742." =A0I am guessing that the "<dra=
ft-foo>" part is supposed to be populated with the actual draft name.

Okay, that's weird. I've fixed the template.

> - For ISE docs, the approval announcement (or DNP) shows the To: field as=
 going to "Nevil Brownlee" <n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz>. =A0This should be t=
he more generic address rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org.

Ah, thanks! I've put that into the importer. I'd be meaning to ask
about that but forgot it again.


Ole

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On 2012-02-23 23:14 Cindy Morgan said:
> - For ISE docs, the approval announcement (or DNP) shows the To: field as going to "Nevil Brownlee" <n.brownlee@auckland.ac.nz>.  This should be the more generic address rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org.

Fix deployed!


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012/2/23 Cindy Morgan <cmorgan@amsl.com>:
> In the approval announcements for IETF stream documents, it looks like th=
e tracker is treating all of the messages as Protocol Actions, e.g. "Subjec=
t: Protocol Action: 'Analysis of Stateful 64 Translation' to Informational =
RFC (draft-ietf-behave-64-analysis-06.txt)." =A0However, it is only approva=
l announcements for Standards Track and BCP documents that are Protocol Act=
ions. =A0Approval announcements for Informational, Experimental and Histori=
c* documents are Document Actions.

I'm not sure what exactly went wrong but the code was looking at the
indefinite article of the intended status which is really odd. Instead
I now just compare it with your list.


Ole

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On Feb 24, 2012, at 8:57 AM, Ole Laursen wrote:

> 012/2/23 Cindy Morgan <cmorgan@amsl.com>:
>> In the approval announcements for IETF stream documents, it looks =
like the tracker is treating all of the messages as Protocol Actions, =
e.g. "Subject: Protocol Action: 'Analysis of Stateful 64 Translation' to =
Informational RFC (draft-ietf-behave-64-analysis-06.txt)."  However, it =
is only approval announcements for Standards Track and BCP documents =
that are Protocol Actions.  Approval announcements for Informational, =
Experimental and Historic* documents are Document Actions.
>=20
> I'm not sure what exactly went wrong but the code was looking at the
> indefinite article of the intended status which is really odd. Instead
> I now just compare it with your list.

FWIW, whatever is being used to tell the difference between Protocol and =
Document Actions on the IESG agenda =
(https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/?private) does seem to be =
working as it should.  But I just checked several docs listed on the =
agenda as Document Actions*, and their approval announcement text is =
still being generated as Protocol Actions.

* draft-ietf-v6ops-v6nd-problems
  draft-snell-atompub-tombstones
  draft-ietf-lisp-interworking
  draft-ietf-behave-64-analysis

Thanks,
Cindy

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Ole:

Items in Section 2 of the Telechat agenda should produce Protocol Action =
messages.  These are BCPs, Proposed Standards, and Internet Standards.

Items in Sections 3.1 and 3.2 of the Telechat agenda should produce =
Document Action messages.  These are Informational, Experimental, and =
Historic RFCs.

Hope this helps,
  Russ


On Feb 24, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Cindy Morgan wrote:

>=20
> On Feb 24, 2012, at 8:57 AM, Ole Laursen wrote:
>=20
>> 012/2/23 Cindy Morgan <cmorgan@amsl.com>:
>>> In the approval announcements for IETF stream documents, it looks =
like the tracker is treating all of the messages as Protocol Actions, =
e.g. "Subject: Protocol Action: 'Analysis of Stateful 64 Translation' to =
Informational RFC (draft-ietf-behave-64-analysis-06.txt)."  However, it =
is only approval announcements for Standards Track and BCP documents =
that are Protocol Actions.  Approval announcements for Informational, =
Experimental and Historic* documents are Document Actions.
>>=20
>> I'm not sure what exactly went wrong but the code was looking at the
>> indefinite article of the intended status which is really odd. =
Instead
>> I now just compare it with your list.
>=20
> FWIW, whatever is being used to tell the difference between Protocol =
and Document Actions on the IESG agenda =
(https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/?private) does seem to be =
working as it should.  But I just checked several docs listed on the =
agenda as Document Actions*, and their approval announcement text is =
still being generated as Protocol Actions.
>=20
> * draft-ietf-v6ops-v6nd-problems
>  draft-snell-atompub-tombstones
>  draft-ietf-lisp-interworking
>  draft-ietf-behave-64-analysis
>=20
> Thanks,
> Cindy
>=20
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>>=20
>> Ole
>> --=20
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2012/2/24 Cindy Morgan <cmorgan@amsl.com>:
>> I'm not sure what exactly went wrong but the code was looking at the
>> indefinite article of the intended status which is really odd. Instead
>> I now just compare it with your list.
>
> FWIW, whatever is being used to tell the difference between Protocol and =
Document Actions on the IESG agenda (https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/iesg/agen=
da/?private) does seem to be working as it should.

Yes, I had a closer look, and I can see now why it broke (it
accidentally got the intended status without the indefinite article).
Anyway, choosing between Procotol/Document Action based on whether the
intended status should be prefixed with "an" or "a" is brittle. Future
generations of IETF code base maintainers will thank us for getting
rid of that abomination.

> But I just checked several docs listed on the agenda as Document Actions*=
, and their approval announcement text is still being generated as Protocol=
 Actions.
>
> * draft-ietf-v6ops-v6nd-problems
> =A0draft-snell-atompub-tombstones
> =A0draft-ietf-lisp-interworking
> =A0draft-ietf-behave-64-analysis

Ah, sorry, we need to wait a second for Henrik to deploy the update. I
did check it on my local server, and I think we're good, but would
appreciate if you would try it too when he's deployed it.


Ole

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2012/2/24 Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>:
> Ole:
>
> Items in Section 2 of the Telechat agenda should produce Protocol Action =
messages. =A0These are BCPs, Proposed Standards, and Internet Standards.
>
> Items in Sections 3.1 and 3.2 of the Telechat agenda should produce Docum=
ent Action messages. =A0These are Informational, Experimental, and Historic=
 RFCs.

Right, I think we're just waiting for Henrik to deploy it now.


Ole

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On 2012-02-24 18:38 Ole Laursen said the following:
> 2012/2/24 Cindy Morgan <cmorgan@amsl.com>:
>>> I'm not sure what exactly went wrong but the code was looking at the
>>> indefinite article of the intended status which is really odd. Instead
>>> I now just compare it with your list.
>>
>> FWIW, whatever is being used to tell the difference between Protocol and Document Actions on the IESG agenda (https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/?private) does seem to be working as it should.
> 
> Yes, I had a closer look, and I can see now why it broke (it
> accidentally got the intended status without the indefinite article).
> Anyway, choosing between Procotol/Document Action based on whether the
> intended status should be prefixed with "an" or "a" is brittle. Future
> generations of IETF code base maintainers will thank us for getting
> rid of that abomination.
> 
>> But I just checked several docs listed on the agenda as Document Actions*, and their approval announcement text is still being generated as Protocol Actions.
>>
>> * draft-ietf-v6ops-v6nd-problems
>>  draft-snell-atompub-tombstones
>>  draft-ietf-lisp-interworking
>>  draft-ietf-behave-64-analysis
> 
> Ah, sorry, we need to wait a second for Henrik to deploy the update. I
> did check it on my local server, and I think we're good, but would
> appreciate if you would try it too when he's deployed it.

Fix deployed!  (I was en-route home, via a number of shops).


Best regards,

	Henrik

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On Feb 24, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
> On 2012-02-24 18:38 Ole Laursen said the following:
>> 2012/2/24 Cindy Morgan <cmorgan@amsl.com>:
>>>> I'm not sure what exactly went wrong but the code was looking at =
the
>>>> indefinite article of the intended status which is really odd. =
Instead
>>>> I now just compare it with your list.
>>>=20
>>> FWIW, whatever is being used to tell the difference between Protocol =
and Document Actions on the IESG agenda =
(https://trackerbeta.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/?private) does seem to be =
working as it should.
>>=20
>> Yes, I had a closer look, and I can see now why it broke (it
>> accidentally got the intended status without the indefinite article).
>> Anyway, choosing between Procotol/Document Action based on whether =
the
>> intended status should be prefixed with "an" or "a" is brittle. =
Future
>> generations of IETF code base maintainers will thank us for getting
>> rid of that abomination.
>>=20
>>> But I just checked several docs listed on the agenda as Document =
Actions*, and their approval announcement text is still being generated =
as Protocol Actions.
>>>=20
>>> * draft-ietf-v6ops-v6nd-problems
>>> draft-snell-atompub-tombstones
>>> draft-ietf-lisp-interworking
>>> draft-ietf-behave-64-analysis
>>=20
>> Ah, sorry, we need to wait a second for Henrik to deploy the update. =
I
>> did check it on my local server, and I think we're good, but would
>> appreciate if you would try it too when he's deployed it.
>=20
> Fix deployed!  (I was en-route home, via a number of shops).


And fix confirmed--all of the docs on the agenda that should be Document =
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Hi,

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda.html does not show any =
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Hi,

On Feb 27, 2012, at 9:53, Lars Eggert wrote:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda.html does not show any =
IRTF research groups.
>=20
> Except for CFRG, which is shown incorrectly as a SEC area working =
group on Friday afternoon.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda.txt has the research =
groups, but oddly formatted (missing area and group acronym).

Lars=

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The names that appear as the token holder on the agenda are just a wee =
bit different.  It used to be first and last name, but now I see some =
titles too.

I have always wondered why the format of the token holder is dfferent is =
section 3 of the agenda and section 4 of the agenda.  Since you will be =
in the code, maybe this is a good time to harmonize the format.

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On 2012-02-27 21:42 Russ Housley said:
> The names that appear as the token holder on the agenda are just a wee =
bit different.  It used to be first and last name, but now I see some tit=
les too.
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> I have always wondered why the format of the token holder is dfferent i=
s section 3 of the agenda and section 4 of the agenda.  Since you will be=
 in the code, maybe this is a good time to harmonize the format.

Entered into the issue tracker as issue #776:
   http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/776


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If you go to http://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda/ and click on 
the "Select working group sessions" link, the "IRTF" column contains 
expanded research group names instead of acronyms. Attempts to select 
any of these groups fail.

/a

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2012/2/28 Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com>:
> If you go to http://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda/ and click on the
> "Select working group sessions" link, the "IRTF" column contains expanded
> research group names instead of acronyms. Attempts to select any of these
> groups fail.

Right, there was a subtle bug in the IRTF proxy where it was bypassing
__str__ since there is a __unicode__ on the base class. I've committed
a fix, this should work when Henrik's deployed it.

Thanks for the report!


Ole

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Prior to the conversion, an AD entering text in the discuss or comment =
box had greater control over the formatting.  The new form seems to trim =
whitespace from the front of the provided text.

Russ


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I agree with a first step of getting closer to where we were.

That said, prior to conversion, the reflow mechanics, particularly when 
preparing email, have been
consistently in my way. Can we move to something that performs reflow by 
default, but allows us
to turn it off and provide our own formatting when it's the best way to 
get the information across?

RjS

On 2/28/12 2:58 PM, Russ Housley wrote:
> Prior to the conversion, an AD entering text in the discuss or comment box had greater control over the formatting.  The new form seems to trim whitespace from the front of the provided text.
>
> Russ
>

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Logged in as Secretariat user, I created the Telechat "Moderator's =
Package" by going to this url:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/moderator_package.html

It looks like it created mostly well, except for a weirdness when it =
pulled the ballots for each of the documents.  Each ballot has the full =
ballot with all ADs listed on the top, and underneath that has a second =
listing of all ADs that have entered a position like this:

                      Yes  No-Objection  Discuss  Abstain
Jari Arkko           [   ]     [   ]     [   ]     [   ]
Ronald Bonica        [   ]     [   ]     [   ]     [   ]
Stewart Bryant       [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]     [   ]
Gonzalo Camarillo    [   ]     [   ]     [   ]     [   ]
Ralph Droms          [   ]     [   ]     [   ]     [   ]
Wesley Eddy          [   ]     [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]
Adrian Farrel        [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]     [   ]
Stephen Farrell      [   ]     [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]
David Harrington     [   ]     [   ]     [   ]     [   ]
Russ Housley         [   ]     [   ]     [   ]     [   ]
Pete Resnick         [   ]     [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]
Dan Romascanu        [   ]     [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]
Peter Saint-Andre    [   ]     [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]
Robert Sparks        [   ]     [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]
Sean Turner          [   ]     [   ]     [   ]     [   ]

Stewart Bryant       [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]     [   ]
Wesley Eddy          [   ]     [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]
Adrian Farrel        [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]     [   ]
Stephen Farrell      [   ]     [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]
Pete Resnick         [   ]     [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]
Dan Romascanu        [   ]     [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]
Peter Saint-Andre    [   ]     [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]
Robert Sparks        [   ]     [ X ]     [   ]     [   ]

Can we have that second listing removed?  The only time a ballot should =
have a second grouping of ADs like this is for former Area Directors =
that entered a position on the document before they stepped down, not =
current Area  Directors (in other words, for historical purposes). =20

Thank you!

Amy=

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Hi,

We have several WG chairs who have multi-part names.  While it looks =
like their entire names are being displayed on the WG charter pages, the =
 master WG list at http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/ is cutting out the =
middle parts of those names.

Some examples:=20

"Francois Faucheur" on http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/
"Francois Le Faucheur" on http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/cdni/charter/

"Jamal Salim" on http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/
"Jamal Hadi Salim" on http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/forces/charter/

"Gunter Velde" on http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/
"Gunter Van de Velde" on http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/opsec/charter/

(There may be--and probably are--more, but these are the ones that jump =
out at me on first glance.  Please let me know if you need a more =
thorough audit.)

Best regards,
Cindy

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