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*AGENDA*
1. Workshop/Hackathon - Berlin - Early June
2. Interledger.Java - Updates and plans
3. Interledger.JS - Proposed governance model
4. Multi-currency receivers

We plan to have a detailed technical discussion of messaging once all
agenda items are done. This may continue beyond our usual time and anyone
that wants to join is welcome to stay online.



*Dial In Details*
To join the meeting, go to:
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Just want to dial in? (http://bluejeans.com/numbers)
Enter Meeting ID: 795795755

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><b>AGENDA<br><br></b></div>1. Wor=
kshop/Hackathon - Berlin - Early June<br></div>2. Interledger.Java - Update=
s and plans<br></div>3. Interledger.JS - Proposed governance model<br></div=
>4. Multi-currency receivers<br><br></div>We plan to have a detailed techni=
cal discussion of messaging once all agenda items are done. This may contin=
ue beyond our usual time and anyone that wants to join is welcome to stay o=
nline.<br><div><br><div><div><div><div><div><b><br>Dial In Details<br></b><=
br>To join the meeting, go to:<br><a href=3D"https://bluejeans.com/79579575=
5" target=3D"_blank">https://bluejeans.com/79579575<wbr>5</a><br>(Try your =
iPhone or Android phone)<br><br>Just want to dial in? (<a href=3D"http://bl=
uejeans.com/numbers" target=3D"_blank">http://bluejeans.com/numbers</a>)<br=
>Enter Meeting ID: 795795755<br><br><b>Reminder that all calls are recorded=
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In my opinion:

   1. you want integers not floating point.
   2. And that integer should be 10,000 x the smallest unit the currency
   supports. So USD transactions should be, at packet level, denominated as
   millionths of dollars, and BTC transactions should be, at packet level,
   denominated as ten-thousandths of satoshis.
   3. As this is a "binary only" wire format, the amounts should be 64 bit
   integers in "network byte order" a/k/a big-endian a/k/a most significant
   byte first. I don't know if negative amounts are supported or not, if they
   are a decision needs to be recorded about format for negative numbers. I
   think they shouldn't be allowed at all but don't know if that's how it is.
   4. The above gives a maximum packet value of around sixteen trillion
   dollars, enough to express repayment of the US National debt with one
   packet (okay, no more coffee for me for a while)



On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 8:55 AM, Adrian Hope-Bailie <adrian@hopebailie.com>
wrote:

>
> *AGENDA*
> 3. ILP Packet format (binary only)
>
> 4. Amounts in ILP Packet. Do we use Base2 (Floating Point) or Base10
> (Decimal)
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div><div>In my opinion:</div><div><ol><li>you w=
ant integers not floating point.</li><li>And that integer should be 10,000 =
x the smallest unit the currency supports. So USD transactions should be, a=
t packet level, denominated as millionths of dollars, and BTC transactions =
should be, at packet level, denominated as ten-thousandths of satoshis.</li=
><li>As this is a &quot;binary only&quot; wire format, the amounts should b=
e 64 bit integers in &quot;network byte order&quot; a/k/a big-endian a/k/a =
most significant byte first. I don&#39;t know if negative amounts are suppo=
rted or not, if they are a decision needs to be recorded about format for n=
egative numbers. I think they shouldn&#39;t be allowed at all but don&#39;t=
 know if that&#39;s how it is.</li><li>The above gives a maximum packet val=
ue of around sixteen trillion dollars, enough to express repayment of the U=
S National debt with one packet (okay, no more coffee for me for a while)</=
li></ol></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
>On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 8:55 AM, Adrian Hope-Bailie <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@hopebailie.com" target=3D"_blank">adrian@hopebaili=
e.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><div><b>AGENDA<br></b></div><div>3. ILP Packet format (binary only)<br>=
</div><div><div><br></div><div>4. Amounts in ILP Packet. Do we use Base2 (F=
loating Point) or Base10 (Decimal)<br></div><div></div></div></div></blockq=
uote></div><br>
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As discussed on the community call this week, anyone currently working on
or interested in Java implementations of the protocol join us for a call.

The goal is to set a road map for the next few months to consolidate what
has been done and hopefully launch a project similar to Interledger.JS that
will be the home of the Java work.

Anyone interested in other language implementations is also welcome to join
and we can discuss how these may also leverage similar processes.


*Dial In Details*
To join the meeting, go to:
https://bluejeans.com/795795755
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There are a couple of pull requests open that may be of interest to you
(comments welcome!):

   - *Update architecture spec & misc updates*
   <https://github.com/interledger/rfcs/pull/163> - Overview of the ILP
   stack and protocol. This should be easy to understand, as it is the first
   spec newcomers to the project (who want to understand the technical
   details) will read.
   - *ASN.1: Add final ILP Payment Packet format (and drafts of ILQP
   packets)* <https://github.com/interledger/rfcs/pull/168> - as discussed
   in previous calls. The ILP Payment packet has already been implemented, the
   quote requests and responses are next.
   - *Docs: add PSK details spec
   <https://github.com/interledger/rfcs/pull/166>* - the Pre-Shared Key
   Protocol is the transport-layer protocol we think may turn out to be the
   most useful. It allows repeated payments from the sender to the recipient,
   it is repudiable, it uses HTTP-style headers for attaching metadata,
   AES-256-CTR to encrypt end-to-end data, and it uses an HMAC of the ILP
   packet as the transfer condition. This will be used in SPSPv2, replacing
   the Interledger Payment Request.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">There are a couple of pull requests open that may be of in=
terest to you (comments welcome!):<div><ul><li><a href=3D"https://github.co=
m/interledger/rfcs/pull/163" style=3D"outline:transparent solid 1px"><b>Upd=
ate architecture spec &amp; misc updates</b></a><span class=3D"inbox-inbox-=
Apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span>- Overview of the ILP stack and protoco=
l. This should be easy to understand, as it is the first spec newcomers to =
the project (who want to understand the technical details) will read.<br></=
li><li><a href=3D"https://github.com/interledger/rfcs/pull/168"><b>ASN.1: A=
dd final ILP Payment Packet format (and drafts of ILQP packets)</b></a> - a=
s discussed in previous calls. The ILP Payment packet has already been impl=
emented, the quote requests and responses are next.<br></li><li><b><a href=
=3D"https://github.com/interledger/rfcs/pull/166">Docs: add PSK details spe=
c</a></b>=C2=A0- the Pre-Shared Key Protocol is the transport-layer protoco=
l we think may turn out to be the most useful. It allows repeated payments =
from the sender to the recipient, it is repudiable, it uses HTTP-style head=
ers for attaching metadata, AES-256-CTR to encrypt end-to-end data, and it =
uses an HMAC of the ILP packet as the transfer condition. This will be used=
 in SPSPv2, replacing the Interledger Payment Request.</li></ul></div></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">-- <br></div><div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div=
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*NOTE: TimeZone changes, check that you have the right time, 3pm UTC*


*AGENDA*
1. PSK - PreShared Keys for setup (Evan)

This is the proposal that has been discussed at length over the last few
months to replace the PaymentRequest model for setup.

The discussion will cover the latest spec changes including the encryption
that is being used for the PSK-based setup protocol

2. SPSPv2 (Evan)

Part of switching from IPR to PSk has been an all round update to SPSP.
Let's discuss those changes and the latest spec updates.

3. Ledger design (Michiel)

4. Update on ilp-kit


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or setup (Evan)<br><br>This is the proposal that has been discussed at leng=
th over the last few months to replace the PaymentRequest model for setup.<=
br><br>The discussion will cover the latest spec changes including the encr=
yption that is being used for the PSK-based setup protocol<br><br>2. SPSPv2=
 (Evan)<br><br>Part of switching from IPR to PSk has been an all round upda=
te to SPSP. Let&#39;s discuss those changes and the latest spec updates.<br=
><br>3. Ledger design (Michiel)<br><br>4. Update on ilp-kit<br><br><b>Dial =
In Details<br></b><br>To join the meeting, go to:<br><a href=3D"https://blu=
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ICS attached, hope that helps with the timezone shenanigans!

(Thanks Manfred for reminding me!)

On 21 March 2017 at 19:11, Adrian Hope-Bailie <adrian@hopebailie.com> wrote:

>
> *NOTE: TimeZone changes, check that you have the right time, 3pm UTC*
>
>
> *AGENDA*
> 1. PSK - PreShared Keys for setup (Evan)
>
> This is the proposal that has been discussed at length over the last few
> months to replace the PaymentRequest model for setup.
>
> The discussion will cover the latest spec changes including the encryption
> that is being used for the PSK-based setup protocol
>
> 2. SPSPv2 (Evan)
>
> Part of switching from IPR to PSk has been an all round update to SPSP.
> Let's discuss those changes and the latest spec updates.
>
> 3. Ledger design (Michiel)
>
> 4. Update on ilp-kit
>
>
> *Dial In Details*
> To join the meeting, go to:
> https://bluejeans.com/795795755
> (Try your iPhone or Android phone)
>
> Just want to dial in? (http://bluejeans.com/numbers)
> Enter Meeting ID: 795795755
>
> *Reminder that all calls are recorded.*
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>ICS attached, hope that helps with the timezone shena=
nigans!<br><br></div>(Thanks Manfred for reminding me!)<br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 21 March 2017 at 19:11, =
Adrian Hope-Bailie <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:adrian@hopebaili=
e.com" target=3D"_blank">adrian@hopebailie.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><bl=
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ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><b>NOTE: TimeZone changes, che=
ck that you have the right time, 3pm UTC<br></b><div><b><br>AGENDA<br></b><=
br>1. PSK - PreShared Keys for setup (Evan)<br><br>This is the proposal tha=
t has been discussed at length over the last few months to replace the Paym=
entRequest model for setup.<br><br>The discussion will cover the latest spe=
c changes including the encryption that is being used for the PSK-based set=
up protocol<br><br>2. SPSPv2 (Evan)<br><br>Part of switching from IPR to PS=
k has been an all round update to SPSP. Let&#39;s discuss those changes and=
 the latest spec updates.<br><br>3. Ledger design (Michiel)<br><br>4. Updat=
e on ilp-kit<br><br><b>Dial In Details<br></b><br>To join the meeting, go t=
o:<br><a href=3D"https://bluejeans.com/795795755" target=3D"_blank">https:/=
/bluejeans.com/79579575<wbr>5</a><br>(Try your iPhone or Android phone)<br>=
<br>Just want to dial in? (<a href=3D"http://bluejeans.com/numbers" target=
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I quickly threw this together while waiting for a plane so it's very rough
and incomplete but it's a start.

If anyone wants to continue with this please do!

https://github.com/interledger/java-ilp-core/blob/development/architecture.md

Gotta run for my flight!

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>I quickly threw this together while waiting for =
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</div>If anyone wants to continue with this please do!<br><br><a href=3D"ht=
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That's great! Nice work!
On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 10:12 PM Adrian Hope-Bailie <adrian@hopebailie.com>
wrote:

> I quickly threw this together while waiting for a plane so it's very rough
> and incomplete but it's a start.
>
> If anyone wants to continue with this please do!
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> https://github.com/interledger/java-ilp-core/blob/development/architecture.md
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> Gotta run for my flight!
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That&#39;s great!  Nice work!<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr=
">On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 10:12 PM Adrian Hope-Bailie &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
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c solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_msg"><div class=
=3D"gmail_msg"><div class=3D"gmail_msg">I quickly threw this together while=
 waiting for a plane so it&#39;s very rough and incomplete but it&#39;s a s=
tart.<br class=3D"gmail_msg"><br class=3D"gmail_msg"></div>If anyone wants =
to continue with this please do!<br class=3D"gmail_msg"><br class=3D"gmail_=
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