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Hello,
It's my understanding ( from standard) that "client" is an application that makes configuration request and "server" is an application (RPC server) that acts on it.... So, if I have 100 managed devices, does it mean I have to have "server" on each device? Is it possible to have one RPC server and 100 "actor" applications, like SNMP traps?
What is the purpose of "manager"? 
Can someone clarify client/server/manager terminology?
Thanks,

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On Fri, Jan 04, 2013 at 03:12:59PM +0000, Victor Lyamtsev wrote:
> Hello,
> It's my understanding ( from standard) that "client" is an application that makes configuration request and "server" is an application (RPC server) that acts on it.... So, if I have 100 managed devices, does it mean I have to have "server" on each device? 

Yes.

> Is it possible to have one RPC server and 100 "actor" applications, like SNMP traps?

Now you are talking about notifications. Notifications are emitted by
the server and received by clients that subscribe to an event stream.

> What is the purpose of "manager"? Can someone clarify
> client/server/manager terminology?

NETCONF does not use the term 'manager'. But basically, a NETCONF
management applications includes a NETCONF client to talking to
NETCONF servers. See RFC 6244 for a general overview or the slides of
my NETCONF YANG tutorial that I presented a few IETFs ago.

/js

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So, is the "subscriber" also "client", e.g. would i have to install the same application on workstation that issues configuration request and on managed device?
Does that mean "subscribers" have to be connected to RPC server to receive notifications, or is that mechanism multicast-based?
Thank you, again.
-V


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On 1/4/2013 4:31 PM Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote:
On Fri, Jan 04, 2013 at 03:12:59PM +0000, Victor Lyamtsev wrote:
> Hello,
> It's my understanding ( from standard) that "client" is an application that makes configuration request and "server" is an application (RPC server) that acts on it.... So, if I have 100 managed devices, does it mean I have to have "server" on each device? 

Yes.

> Is it possible to have one RPC server and 100 "actor" applications, like SNMP traps?

Now you are talking about notifications. Notifications are emitted by
the server and received by clients that subscribe to an event stream.

> What is the purpose of "manager"? Can someone clarify
> client/server/manager terminology?

NETCONF does not use the term 'manager'. But basically, a NETCONF
management applications includes a NETCONF client to talking to
NETCONF servers. See RFC 6244 for a general overview or the slides of
my NETCONF YANG tutorial that I presented a few IETFs ago.

/js

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On Fri, Jan 04, 2013 at 04:48:26PM +0000, Victor Lyamtsev wrote:

> So, is the "subscriber" also "client", e.g. would i have to install
> the same application on workstation that issues configuration
> request and on managed device?

The notification receiver is a NETCONF client. In fact, you subscribe
to events by invoking an RPC. But note that this does not imply that
its the same _application_. You might very well have a special
application that simply subscribes to event notifications. This is an
implementation detail.

> Does that mean "subscribers" have to be connected to RPC server to
> receive notifications, or is that mechanism multicast-based?

Yes to the first part. I do not know how you get to multicasting but
since everything by default runs over SSH/TCP, it should be rather
clear that things won't multicast.

/js

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Hello everyone,

I'm new to netconf.

My system is: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS; has built the yuma source.

I started the netconf daemon:
/home/hung/yuma/netconf/
target/bin/netconfd --superuser=hung --log=/tmp/netconf-example.log

But it failed. This the log:

*** log open at 2013-01-07T03:32:59Z ***
Starting netconfd...
Copyright (c) 2008-2012, Andy Bierman, All Rights Reserved.

Error: Open txid file for write failed (operation failed)
Error: cfg-init transaction ID failed (operation failed)
netconfd: init returned (operation failed)
Shutting down the netconfd server

*** log close at 2013-01-07T03:32:59Z ***

Could you please help me to resolve this problem?

Appreciate your support.

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Hello everyone,<br><br>I&#39;m new to netconf.<br><br>My system is: Ubuntu =
10.04 LTS; has built the yuma source.<br><br>I started the netconf daemon:<=
br>/home/hung/yuma/netconf/<div id=3D":nb">target/bin/netconfd --superuser=
=3Dhung --log=3D/tmp/netconf-example.log<br>
<br>But it failed. This the log:<br>
<br>*** log open at 2013-01-07T03:32:59Z ***<br>Starting netconfd...<br>Cop=
yright (c) 2008-2012, Andy Bierman, All Rights Reserved.<br><br>Error: Open=
 txid file for write failed (operation failed)<br>Error: cfg-init transacti=
on ID failed (operation failed)<br>

netconfd: init returned (operation failed)<br>Shutting down the netconfd se=
rver<br><br>*** log close at 2013-01-07T03:32:59Z ***<br><br>Could you plea=
se help me to resolve this problem?<br><br>Appreciate your support.<br>

<br>Thanks,<br>Hung</div>

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Hi,

This list is for NETCONF standards questions.
The sourceforge list yuma-users is for this sort of question.
This looks like an issue that is fixed in the latest yuma 2.2-5.
Make sure the YUMA_HOME env var is valid if it is defined.


Andy


On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Hung Ta <hungtath99@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I'm new to netconf.
>
> My system is: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS; has built the yuma source.
>
> I started the netconf daemon:
> /home/hung/yuma/netconf/
> target/bin/netconfd --superuser=hung --log=/tmp/netconf-example.log
>
> But it failed. This the log:
>
> *** log open at 2013-01-07T03:32:59Z ***
> Starting netconfd...
> Copyright (c) 2008-2012, Andy Bierman, All Rights Reserved.
>
> Error: Open txid file for write failed (operation failed)
> Error: cfg-init transaction ID failed (operation failed)
> netconfd: init returned (operation failed)
> Shutting down the netconfd server
>
> *** log close at 2013-01-07T03:32:59Z ***
>
> Could you please help me to resolve this problem?
>
> Appreciate your support.
>
> Thanks,
> Hung
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Hi,<div><br></div><div>This list is for NETCONF standards questions.</div><=
div>The sourceforge list yuma-users is for this sort of question.</div><div=
>This looks like an issue that is fixed in the latest yuma 2.2-5.</div><div=
>
Make sure the YUMA_HOME env var is valid if it is defined.</div><div><br></=
div><div><br></div><div>Andy</div><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">O=
n Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Hung Ta <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:hungtath99@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">hungtath99@gmail.com</a>&gt;</=
span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello everyone,<br><br>I&#39;m new to netcon=
f.<br><br>My system is: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS; has built the yuma source.<br><br=
>
I started the netconf daemon:<br>/home/hung/yuma/netconf/<div>target/bin/ne=
tconfd --superuser=3Dhung --log=3D/tmp/netconf-example.log<br>
<br>But it failed. This the log:<br>
<br>*** log open at 2013-01-07T03:32:59Z ***<br>Starting netconfd...<br>Cop=
yright (c) 2008-2012, Andy Bierman, All Rights Reserved.<br><br>Error: Open=
 txid file for write failed (operation failed)<br>Error: cfg-init transacti=
on ID failed (operation failed)<br>


netconfd: init returned (operation failed)<br>Shutting down the netconfd se=
rver<br><br>*** log close at 2013-01-07T03:32:59Z ***<br><br>Could you plea=
se help me to resolve this problem?<br><br>Appreciate your support.<br>


<br>Thanks,<br>Hung</div>
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Hi,

 

I have a query regarding lifetime of a NETCONF session with notification
(Server does not support interleave capability in this case).

 

As per RFC 5277, below is the definition of a Notification Subscription:

Subscription:  An agreement and method to receive event notifications

      over a NETCONF session.  A concept related to the delivery of

      notifications (if there are any to send) involving destination and

      selection of notifications.  It is bound to the lifetime of a

      session.

 

3.5.  Subscriptions Data

 

   Subscriptions are non-persistent state information, and their

   lifetime is defined by their session or by the <stopTime> parameter.

 

Consider the case where the server may have a functionality to initiate
session closure based on simple inactivity timeout.

 

In such a scenario, the period of inactivity between two notifications can
cause a session closure.

To receive subsequent notifications, the NMS must create another session and
enable subscription.

 

RFC 5277 does not mention about the inactivity timeout in a session with
notification subscription, please clarify.

 

Regards,

Rohit

 


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I don't think RFC 5277 says anything about idle timeouts.
No NETCONF document does, so this is outside the scope
of the standard.  Do whatever you want I guess.
There was no interest in the WG to re-open RFC 5277
when it was discussed last year.

Andy




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>
> ** **
>
> I have a query regarding lifetime of a NETCONF session with notification
> (Server does not support interleave capability in this case).****
>
> ** **
>
> As per RFC 5277, below is the definition of a Notification Subscription:**
> **
>
> Subscription:  An agreement and method to receive event notifications****
>
>       over a NETCONF session.  A concept related to the delivery of****
>
>       notifications (if there are any to send) involving destination and**
> **
>
>       selection of notifications.  It is bound to the lifetime of a****
>
>       session.****
>
> ** **
>
> *3.5.  Subscriptions Data*****
>
> ** **
>
>    Subscriptions are non-persistent state information, and their****
>
>    lifetime is defined by their session or by the <stopTime> parameter.***
> *
>
> ** **
>
> *Consider the case where the server may have a functionality to initiate
> session closure based on simple inactivity timeout.*
>
> ** **
>
> In such a scenario, the period of inactivity between two notifications can
> cause a session closure.****
>
> To receive subsequent notifications, the NMS must create another session
> and enable subscription.****
>
> ** **
>
> RFC 5277 does not mention about the inactivity timeout in a session with
> notification subscription, please clarify.****
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,****
>
> Rohit****
>
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I don&#39;t think RFC 5277 says anything about idle timeouts.<div>No NETCON=
F document does, so this is outside the scope</div><div>of the standard. =
=C2=A0Do whatever you want I guess.</div><div>There was no interest in the =
WG to re-open RFC 5277</div>
<div>when it was discussed last year.</div><div><br></div><div>Andy</div><d=
iv><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 5:05 AM, Rohit Pobbathi <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:rohit.pobbathi@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">rohit.pobbath=
i@huawei.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"p=
urple"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi,<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have a query regarding lifetime of a NETCONF sessi=
on with notification (Server does not support interleave capability in this=
 case).<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">
As per RFC 5277, below is the definition of a Notification Subscription:<u>=
</u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:45.8pt;line-heig=
ht:14.4pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&qu=
ot;">Subscription:=C2=A0 An agreement and method to receive event notificat=
ions<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:45.8pt;line-height:14.4pt"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 over a NETCONF session.=C2=A0 A concept related to th=
e delivery of<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:45.8pt;line-height:14.4pt"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 notifications (if there are any to send) involving de=
stination and<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:45.8pt;line-height:14.4pt"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 selection of notifications.=C2=A0 <span style=3D"colo=
r:red">It is bound to the lifetime of a<u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:45.8pt;line-height:14.4pt"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:red">=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 session.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:45.8pt;line-height:14.4pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u=
>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:45.8pt=
;line-height:14.4pt"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;A=
rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">3.5.=C2=A0 Subscriptions Data</span></b>=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u=
><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:45.8pt;line-height:14.4pt"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:45.8pt;lin=
e-height:14.4pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 Subscriptions are non-persistent state information, and their<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:45.8pt;line-h=
eight:14.4pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <span style=3D"color:red">lifetime is defined by their session</span=
> or by the &lt;stopTime&gt; parameter.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:14.4pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u=
>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Consider the case where =
the server may have a functionality to initiate session closure based on si=
mple inactivity timeout.<u></u><u></u></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">In su=
ch a scenario, the period of inactivity between two notifications can cause=
 a session closure.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">To receive subs=
equent notifications, the NMS must create another session and enable subscr=
iption.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">RFC 5=
277 does not mention about the inactivity timeout in a session with notific=
ation subscription, please clarify.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards,<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Roh=
it<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div></=
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