From nobody Wed Feb 1 01:38:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B755312996D for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2017 01:38:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gGkTGnk92Yd5 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2017 01:38:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from lb1-smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net (lb1-smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net [194.109.24.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E10212996A for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2017 01:38:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh-4.fritz.box ([IPv6:2001:981:602b:1:6d02:b630:d385:ef0a]) by smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net with ESMTP id fMe91u00C3Bvudg01MeACy; Wed, 01 Feb 2017 10:38:10 +0100 To: Ladislav Lhotka , Netconf References: <20170201014501.52CD8B81C39@rfc-editor.org> From: "Bert Wijnen (IETF)" Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 10:38:09 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] RFC 8040 on RESTCONF Protocol X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2017 09:38:17 -0000 +1 Bert On 01/02/2017 08:30, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > Congratulations to the authors for this remarkable piece of work! > > Lada > > rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org writes: > >> A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. >> >> >> RFC 8040 >> >> Title: RESTCONF Protocol >> Author: A. 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Unless >> specifically noted otherwise on the RFC itself, all RFCs are for >> unlimited distribution. >> >> >> The RFC Editor Team >> Association Management Solutions, LLC >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Netconf mailing list >> Netconf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf From nobody Wed Feb 1 02:54:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 340B8129C65 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2017 02:54:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GJ7C01UWwcsf for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2017 02:54:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 802BA129643 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2017 02:54:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [173.38.220.36]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 336111AE00A0; Wed, 1 Feb 2017 11:54:08 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2017 11:54:07 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20170201.115407.1079757177664208413.mbj@tail-f.com> To: andy@yumaworks.com From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: References: <20170131211619.GA78666@elstar.local> <7B81B250-3246-44AF-B9E4-D24E8D2FB4DA@juniper.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 24.5 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: netconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Netconf] New Notification and Subscription Features WASFW: 3 Options for Subscription & Event Notification draft structure X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2017 10:54:12 -0000 Andy Bierman wrote: > Hi, > > I am not in favor of refactoring RFCs just to move content around. > If/when NETCONF 1.2 gets done, then the NETCONF bits in RFC 7950 should > get moved to that document. The NETCONF specific text is unfortunate, > but not causing harm to interoperability. I agree. Among all the work we have on our plate at the moment, I wouldn't give this highest priority. /martin > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: > > > > > > Since when has RFC 7950 JSON notification encoding sections? This > > > email is confusing on multiple ends. > > > > True, RFC 7950 doesn't have any JSON encoding sections, so there is > > nothing to be done on that front. Also, while I agree that the XML > > encoding sections should be move out of RFC 7950, I view this purely as a > > NETMOD WG activity (not a NETCONF WG activity) and hence doesn't need to be > > discussed here. > > > > What I think should be discussed here is moving all the NETCONF-isms in > > RFC 7950 to the NETCONF WG including, but not limited to, all the NETCONF > > XML Encoding Rules sections. > > > > RFC 7950 also contains a large number of NETCONF usage examples. I think > > the NETMOD WG needs to discuss if these should to be moved to the NETCONF > > WG also, or if it's the better to convert half the examples to RESTCONF so > > RFC 7590 shows impartiality. Though this is a NETMOD issue to discuss, it > > clearly might impact NETCONF, hence why I'm mentioning it here now. > > > > Separately, in addition to moving material from NETMOD drafts to NETCONF > > drafts, I think there should be a discussion about moving material the > > other direction as well. For instance, I think these terms defined in RFC > > 6241 might be better placed in the datastores draft: > > > > o configuration data > > o configuration datastore > > o datastore > > o state data > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Kent // a NETCONF contributor > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Netconf mailing list > > Netconf@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > > From nobody Wed Feb 1 03:16:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF42D129D18 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2017 03:16:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P6ogoYSH2tAe for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2017 03:16:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wm0-x230.google.com (mail-wm0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC361129CF0 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2017 03:16:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wm0-x230.google.com with SMTP id r141so33469982wmg.1 for ; Wed, 01 Feb 2017 03:16:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:thread-index:content-language :disposition-notification-to; bh=CkR9ubpXLHzyPEalKHW9ye5OkoXtI7rTkJdJokgvJz0=; b=SPxbzKQe5HAaDZwLt5V2fxfpAiLlan2CQ3WnID+CZD7UPmcEAVoaVGND0amaeV0X8t 08oJcKW2/x5jg2JNemCkJRVjj8Kg0hrTbcS853OGbOn7aXezjmX6+EWizBccgeRS8Bcy ZFa1tv+MvwG0J6WxKQ+20qG6TY4Ju0pHVzSMMqJ1JwUk6XbWpx5BtFxl/Feee7VLrATZ DKaeonyR7mbUhGjNdf7/NB2Rr6eQCBGgJx094ZU5ulOJMwAzcorHuB6CN0HYrYfyUwwX Uw4il11pxYue68adV3WQBaThRmRydmcvnzRZBkKDixEKIaAJU7cV/7Xxq+nv8cwRR6Ix wQXg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language:disposition-notification-to; bh=CkR9ubpXLHzyPEalKHW9ye5OkoXtI7rTkJdJokgvJz0=; b=IlO3PL6rHIuECAQl3ZHLttbSdKnvH2aLjAcuUz99zg0xPDisviYdyACXffS5iDStrO e5mmn92RvJFVLL/fL5CeNY+tEbhxAot6iLnGpJq/lcjsrPfVIhksf7Tqg64wpJGkx2lh q//7ECs+4bi9KFxUcXB6TOxL4Lb7uUEu9AtHerMnEKRhcJlw9C3OvmmHQywqVoSc9hmA kZATMmjiMV7PA6DR8Ghg6vfCBfOVDo2SjctkTgmJ7gyLfp7wBhma6NsnHmeTeZBJD9ZY wTRm7+lKZfHk1Uh9obWvQgD7i/0gPWZVz2+D83ExFYWVNHLxPj+rPoiEBA1ribH42SRN qOvQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXL8gYjYkSPJOyYiMF70h1spoUrejpM7AAK96Ro1e1Skj7p8TTd2EMuHkiJ5BXWfIQ== X-Received: by 10.28.15.202 with SMTP id 193mr2290508wmp.99.1485947762288; Wed, 01 Feb 2017 03:16:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from DESKTOPFLHJVQJ (p5B3417CE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. [91.52.23.206]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v4sm29010860wmv.18.2017.02.01.03.16.00 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 01 Feb 2017 03:16:01 -0800 (PST) From: "Mehmet Ersue" To: "'Bert Wijnen \(IETF\)'" , "'Ladislav Lhotka'" , "'Netconf'" References: <20170201014501.52CD8B81C39@rfc-editor.org> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 12:16:02 +0100 Message-ID: <00d001d27c7c$945282b0$bcf78810$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQH4QriBOskRmIObLt2d/jbgsSRlrgLf+eWfA1aK+4mg1r5WwA== Content-Language: de X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVA 25.10096;BF82DA0 X-AVK-Spam-Check: 1; str=0001.0A0C0204.5891C371.016F,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0; AE713 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] RFC 8040 on RESTCONF Protocol X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2017 11:16:06 -0000 Dear All, this is a big achievement the industry was waiting for. Many Thanks to the authors and contributors for the hard work and making this document possible. Many Thanks also to RFC Editor for their kind support to make it consistent. Regards, Mehmet -----Original Message----- From: Netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bert Wijnen (IETF) Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 10:38 AM To: Ladislav Lhotka ; Netconf Subject: Re: [Netconf] RFC 8040 on RESTCONF Protocol +1 Bert On 01/02/2017 08:30, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > Congratulations to the authors for this remarkable piece of work! > > Lada > > rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org writes: > >> A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. >> >> >> RFC 8040 >> >> Title: RESTCONF Protocol >> Author: A. Bierman, >> M. Bjorklund, >> K. Watsen >> Status: Standards Track >> Stream: IETF >> Date: January 2017 >> Mailbox: andy@yumaworks.com, >> mbj@tail-f.com, >> kwatsen@juniper.net >> Pages: 137 >> Characters: 238832 >> Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None >> >> I-D Tag: draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-18.txt >> >> URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8040 >> >> DOI: 10.17487/RFC8040 >> >> This document describes an HTTP-based protocol that provides a >> programmatic interface for accessing data defined in YANG, using the >> datastore concepts defined in the Network Configuration Protocol >> (NETCONF). >> >> This document is a product of the Network Configuration Working Group of the IETF. >> >> This is now a Proposed Standard. >> >> STANDARDS TRACK: This document specifies an Internet Standards Track >> protocol for the Internet community, and requests discussion and >> suggestions for improvements. 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[91.52.23.206]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 10sm21084358wmi.23.2017.02.01.03.19.57 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 01 Feb 2017 03:19:57 -0800 (PST) From: "Mehmet Ersue" To: "'Kent Watsen'" , "'Juergen Schoenwaelder'" References: <03b801d27116$4df5a890$e9e0f9b0$@gmail.com> <20170126.090210.1305302868536296710.mbj@tail-f.com> <028a01d27c05$2200bc80$66023580$@gmail.com> <20170131211619.GA78666@elstar.local> <7B81B250-3246-44AF-B9E4-D24E8D2FB4DA@juniper.net> In-Reply-To: <7B81B250-3246-44AF-B9E4-D24E8D2FB4DA@juniper.net> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 12:20:00 +0100 Message-ID: <00d101d27c7d$211890e0$6349b2a0$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQFS4MIRVdlex3JBc/CEOVVIhbfBQAKmZxwsArU7t7sCIa3ekgJvGfDnogPUlyA= Content-Language: de X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVA 25.10096;BF82DA0 X-AVK-Spam-Check: 1; str=0001.0A0C0206.5891C45D.0137,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0; AE713 Archived-At: Cc: netconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Netconf] New Notification and Subscription Features WASFW: 3 Options for Subscription & Event Notification draft structure X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2017 11:20:01 -0000 Hi Kent, I believe the terms defined in 6241 are needed in the context of the = network configuration framework. I think it is perfectly fine if 7950bis uses terms defined in 6241. We don't need to redefine or duplicate these terms in another draft. Mehmet -----Original Message----- From: Kent Watsen [mailto:kwatsen@juniper.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:20 PM To: Juergen Schoenwaelder ; Mehmet = Ersue Cc: netconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Netconf] New Notification and Subscription Features WASFW: = 3 Options for Subscription & Event Notification draft structure > Since when has RFC 7950 JSON notification encoding sections? This=20 > email is confusing on multiple ends. True, RFC 7950 doesn't have any JSON encoding sections, so there is = nothing to be done on that front. Also, while I agree that the XML = encoding sections should be move out of RFC 7950, I view this purely as = a NETMOD WG activity (not a NETCONF WG activity) and hence doesn't need = to be discussed here. What I think should be discussed here is moving all the NETCONF-isms in = RFC 7950 to the NETCONF WG including, but not limited to, all the = NETCONF XML Encoding Rules sections. =20 RFC 7950 also contains a large number of NETCONF usage examples. I = think the NETMOD WG needs to discuss if these should to be moved to the = NETCONF WG also, or if it's the better to convert half the examples to = RESTCONF so RFC 7590 shows impartiality. Though this is a NETMOD issue = to discuss, it clearly might impact NETCONF, hence why I'm mentioning it = here now. Separately, in addition to moving material from NETMOD drafts to NETCONF = drafts, I think there should be a discussion about moving material the = other direction as well. For instance, I think these terms defined in = RFC 6241 might be better placed in the datastores draft: o configuration data o configuration datastore o datastore o state data Thoughts? 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Wed, 1 Feb 2017 16:17:22 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 16:17:22 +0100 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Kent Watsen Message-ID: <20170201151722.GB81333@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Kent Watsen , Mehmet Ersue , "netconf@ietf.org" References: <03b801d27116$4df5a890$e9e0f9b0$@gmail.com> <20170126.090210.1305302868536296710.mbj@tail-f.com> <028a01d27c05$2200bc80$66023580$@gmail.com> <20170131211619.GA78666@elstar.local> <7B81B250-3246-44AF-B9E4-D24E8D2FB4DA@juniper.net> <00d101d27c7d$211890e0$6349b2a0$@gmail.com> <20170201113031.GB80657@elstar.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.0 (2016-04-01) Archived-At: Cc: "netconf@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Netconf] New Notification and Subscription Features WASFW: 3 Options for Subscription & Event Notification draft structure X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2017 15:17:23 -0000 On Wed, Feb 01, 2017 at 02:44:26PM +0000, Kent Watsen wrote: > > It's questionable if we'd want to point a 7950bis to such a doc. On > one hand it is ideal for YANG to be independent of the datastore > concept (e.g., artifacts/data-structures) but, on the other hand, > there are YANG statements like 'config' that might require a > reference in order to make sense. > YANG can't be independent of datastores. YANG's notion of validation is per configuration datastore. You mentioned the config statement. Or do you suggest we have 'must' and 'when' in YANG without any definition what they actually mean and then there is another document that says what these statements mean for different datastores? Not sure this makes YANG simpler to understand. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Wed Feb 1 07:22:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 464D912947A for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2017 07:22:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.946 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.946 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8WUlmsHo5Bu3 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2017 07:22:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-97-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CD491293F3 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2017 07:22:08 -0800 (PST) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=50.36.162.137; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Mehmet Ersue'" , "'Bert Wijnen \(IETF\)'" , "'Ladislav Lhotka'" , "'Netconf'" References: <20170201014501.52CD8B81C39@rfc-editor.org> <00d001d27c7c$945282b0$bcf78810$@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <00d001d27c7c$945282b0$bcf78810$@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 10:17:57 -0500 Message-ID: <00b801d27c9e$5ebb0ec0$1c312c40$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQH4QriBOskRmIObLt2d/jbgsSRlrgLf+eWfA1aK+4kB+SvcoqDHOTiQ Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] RFC 8040 on RESTCONF Protocol X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2017 15:22:09 -0000 Congratulation to Andy, Martin and Kent. Thank you for all your hard work. The good guys won after a long editorial slog. +1 to thanks to all contributors and RFC editor. Sue -----Original Message----- From: Netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mehmet Ersue Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 6:16 AM To: 'Bert Wijnen (IETF)'; 'Ladislav Lhotka'; 'Netconf' Subject: Re: [Netconf] RFC 8040 on RESTCONF Protocol Dear All, this is a big achievement the industry was waiting for. Many Thanks to the authors and contributors for the hard work and making this document possible. Many Thanks also to RFC Editor for their kind support to make it consistent. Regards, Mehmet -----Original Message----- From: Netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bert Wijnen (IETF) Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 10:38 AM To: Ladislav Lhotka ; Netconf Subject: Re: [Netconf] RFC 8040 on RESTCONF Protocol +1 Bert On 01/02/2017 08:30, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > Congratulations to the authors for this remarkable piece of work! > > Lada > > rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org writes: > >> A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. >> >> >> RFC 8040 >> >> Title: RESTCONF Protocol >> Author: A. Bierman, >> M. Bjorklund, >> K. Watsen >> Status: Standards Track >> Stream: IETF >> Date: January 2017 >> Mailbox: andy@yumaworks.com, >> mbj@tail-f.com, >> kwatsen@juniper.net >> Pages: 137 >> Characters: 238832 >> Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None >> >> I-D Tag: draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-18.txt >> >> URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8040 >> >> DOI: 10.17487/RFC8040 >> >> This document describes an HTTP-based protocol that provides a >> programmatic interface for accessing data defined in YANG, using the >> datastore concepts defined in the Network Configuration Protocol >> (NETCONF). >> >> This document is a product of the Network Configuration Working Group >> of the IETF. >> >> This is now a Proposed Standard. >> >> STANDARDS TRACK: This document specifies an Internet Standards Track >> protocol for the Internet community, and requests discussion and >> suggestions for improvements. 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Message-ID: <1b36cf59-51a9-33f3-b660-cd979668d259@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 10:40:42 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170201014501.52CD8B81C39@rfc-editor.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] RFC 8040 on RESTCONF Protocol X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2017 15:40:45 -0000 This is a fantastic achievement and huge milestone. Congratulations to the authors and working group! Joe On 1/31/17 20:45, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org wrote: > A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. > > > RFC 8040 > > Title: RESTCONF Protocol > Author: A. Bierman, > M. Bjorklund, > K. 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Datastores allow YANG to describe validation and other behavior quite precisely, independent of a protocol interaction model. E.g., NETCONF and RESTCONF have very different interaction models, and they can both use the same YANG modules. YANG should map to datastores in a minimalist fashion. Each protocol definition needs to map its use of datastores as detailed as possible. The biggest challenge is keeping the data model content as datastore-independent and protocol-independent as possible. We need to really understand the revised datastores architecture before changing YANG again. Andy On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:17 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder < j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > On Wed, Feb 01, 2017 at 02:44:26PM +0000, Kent Watsen wrote: > > > > It's questionable if we'd want to point a 7950bis to such a doc. On > > one hand it is ideal for YANG to be independent of the datastore > > concept (e.g., artifacts/data-structures) but, on the other hand, > > there are YANG statements like 'config' that might require a > > reference in order to make sense. > > > > YANG can't be independent of datastores. YANG's notion of validation > is per configuration datastore. You mentioned the config statement. > Or do you suggest we have 'must' and 'when' in YANG without any > definition what they actually mean and then there is another document > that says what these statements mean for different datastores? Not > sure this makes YANG simpler to understand. > > /js > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > > _______________________________________________ > Netconf mailing list > Netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > --f403045f39e4d2914c05477bdca0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I would really like to retire this = misconception that datastores in YANG are bad,
or a hack, or a mi= stake.

Datastores allow YANG to describe validatio= n and other behavior quite precisely,
independent of a protocol i= nteraction model. E.g., NETCONF and RESTCONF
have very different = interaction models, and they can both use the same YANG modules.
=
YANG should map to datastores in a minimalist fashion.
=
Each protocol definition needs to map its use of datastores as detaile= d as possible.

The biggest challenge is keeping th= e data model content as datastore-independent
and protocol-indepe= ndent as possible. We need to really understand the revised
datas= tores architecture before changing YANG again.

Andy



On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:17 AM, Ju= ergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.= de> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 01, = 2017 at 02:44:26PM +0000, Kent Watsen wrote:
>
> It's questionable if we'd want to point a 7950bis to such a do= c.=C2=A0 On
> one hand it is ideal for YANG to be independent of the datastore
> concept (e.g., artifacts/data-structures) but, on the other hand,
> there are YANG statements like 'config' that might require a > reference in order to make sense.
>

YANG can't be independent of datastores. YANG's notion of validatio= n
is per configuration datastore. You mentioned the config statement.
Or do you suggest we have 'must' and 'when' in YANG without= any
definition what they actually mean and then there is another document
that says what these statements mean for different datastores? Not
sure this makes YANG simpler to understand.

/js

--
Juergen Schoenwaelder=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Jacobs Univer= sity Bremen gGmbH
Phone: +49 421 200 3587=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Campus Ring 1 | 28= 759 Bremen | Germany
Fax:=C2=A0 =C2=A0+49 421 200 3103=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<http://www.jacobs-university.de/>

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--f403045f39e4d2914c05477bdca0-- From nobody Wed Feb 1 14:32:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 975801295BA for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2017 14:32:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.198 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.198 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=hq.sk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 57wgH0-itE3n for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2017 14:32:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.hq.sk (hq.sk [81.89.59.181]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F189E1295E9 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2017 14:32:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.137.2.13] (chello085216197060.chello.sk [85.216.197.60]) by mail.hq.sk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1011F242E48 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2017 23:32:07 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=hq.sk; s=mail; t=1485988327; bh=eN4dQimy+MO6+BhnG4VCrA+iIAt67mDyZve2cPd5pc0=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=ec/jmTxEYZBIPrEEfh8EbOeNJmCz+LSy8rKwZkg31Wpt3Qvg7FsnI+c548unbuNe8 U+wZhEpOMcerR2HuLI4+fBiipEBhYkAn35aO6Sr84SIYhunZ9lLAetg42zWNl9nMP+ +vRoPyLpPgI6AZiRUppjXuDyWdljbv7U1VbWkA6Y= To: netconf@ietf.org References: <20170201014501.52CD8B81C39@rfc-editor.org> From: Robert Varga Message-ID: <7e0f0767-13d6-804f-1a8b-3eb5ce65ad8b@hq.sk> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 23:31:58 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170201014501.52CD8B81C39@rfc-editor.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="C7n51cgBfFKevKTxQjOF9Rghq39rErUIK" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] RFC 8040 on RESTCONF Protocol X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2017 22:32:13 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --C7n51cgBfFKevKTxQjOF9Rghq39rErUIK Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="cRo27rADlKm1mknMj2ESCcdr483RGB2oW"; protected-headers="v1" From: Robert Varga To: netconf@ietf.org Message-ID: <7e0f0767-13d6-804f-1a8b-3eb5ce65ad8b@hq.sk> Subject: Re: [Netconf] RFC 8040 on RESTCONF Protocol References: <20170201014501.52CD8B81C39@rfc-editor.org> In-Reply-To: <20170201014501.52CD8B81C39@rfc-editor.org> --cRo27rADlKm1mknMj2ESCcdr483RGB2oW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congratulations and Thank you! Robert On 02/01/2017 02:45 AM, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org wrote: > A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. >=20 > =20 > RFC 8040 >=20 > Title: RESTCONF Protocol=20 > Author: A. Bierman,=20 > M. Bjorklund, > K. Watsen > Status: Standards Track > Stream: IETF > Date: January 2017 > Mailbox: andy@yumaworks.com,=20 > mbj@tail-f.com,=20 > kwatsen@juniper.net > Pages: 137 > Characters: 238832 > Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None >=20 > I-D Tag: draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-18.txt >=20 > URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8040 >=20 > DOI: 10.17487/RFC8040 >=20 > This document describes an HTTP-based protocol that provides a > programmatic interface for accessing data defined in YANG, using the > datastore concepts defined in the Network Configuration Protocol > (NETCONF). >=20 > This document is a product of the Network Configuration Working Group o= f the IETF. >=20 > This is now a Proposed Standard. >=20 > STANDARDS TRACK: This document specifies an Internet Standards Track > protocol for the Internet community, and requests discussion and sugges= tions > for improvements. 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On >> one hand it is ideal for YANG to be independent of the datastore >> concept (e.g., artifacts/data-structures) but, on the other hand, >> there are YANG statements like 'config' that might require a >> reference in order to make sense. >> > > YANG can't be independent of datastores. YANG's notion of validation > is per configuration datastore. You mentioned the config statement. Not true: in RFC 7950 we already have e.g. this: o If the XPath expression is defined in a substatement to a data node that represents state data, the accessible tree is all state data in the server, and the running configuration datastore. So in this case the instance data tree that is subject to validation is constructed by combining the running configuration with state data. In another case the accessible tree is a merge of notification instance, state data and running, etc. I am pretty sure validity in YANG terms can be defined for *a* data tree, no matter how the tree is constructed. A particular protocol or application can then specify validity requirements for any number of data trees (and check-points in the protocol workflow) given that - it is specified how each data tree is constructed - the data model for each data tree is known. If the data tree coincides with a datastore, then fine, but it is by no means a necessity. > Or do you suggest we have 'must' and 'when' in YANG without any > definition what they actually mean and then there is another document > that says what these statements mean for different datastores? Not > sure this makes YANG simpler to understand. IMO "must" and "when" work exactly the same way for any well-defined accessible tree, regardless of how the tree is constructed, because it is essentially XPath. 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FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: ni.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: ni.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 02 Feb 2017 17:44:02.3847 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 87ba1f9a-44cd-43a6-b008-6fdb45a5204e X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: MWHPR04MB0559 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] RFC 8040 on RESTCONF Protocol X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2017 17:44:20 -0000 Congratulation and thanks to the authors for their hard work on RESTCONF. > -----Original Message----- > From: Netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ladislav > Lhotka > Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 1:31 AM > To: Netconf > Subject: Re: [Netconf] RFC 8040 on RESTCONF Protocol >=20 > Congratulations to the authors for this remarkable piece of work! >=20 > Lada >=20 > rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org writes: >=20 > > A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. > > > > > > RFC 8040 > > > > Title: RESTCONF Protocol > > Author: A. 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It should read: >=20 > @All: Please comment on the documents a)-d) below. Especially on the > questions: > - whether the XML notification encoding section should be removed from 79= 50 > and put into NETCONF WG documents as well as I don't see a need to touch 7950 at this time. I do see a reason for a new= notification draft which can support headers. We should define that new n= otification in a separate draft, and collapse it into YANG 1.2 whenever the= re is sufficient business need. > - whether the documents b) and c) are good to separate or the protocol-sp= ecific > content should be put into 6241bis and RESTCONF-bis documents. I would rather see (b) and (c) as separate documents. For (b) benefits of separation include: - security considerations and configuration for subscriptions - considerations for parallel support / implementation compatibility with R= FC-5277 - room for examples In (c), the benefits of separation include: - specifics of call-home and heartbeat for subscriptions - security considerations and configuration for subscriptions - benefits of HTTP2 for notifications (e.g., avoiding SSE), and HTTP2 Posts= ' interplay with GRPC. - room for examples it would be confusing to put all the above into Restconf. And the ink on R= estconf isn't dry yet. > Mehmet >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de] > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:16 PM > To: Mehmet Ersue > Cc: 'Martin Bjorklund' ; netconf@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Netconf] New Notification and Subscription Features WASFW: = 3 > Options for Subscription & Event Notification draft structure >=20 > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:01:02PM +0100, Mehmet Ersue wrote: > > The original document set proposed was: > > > > a) A document which defines the protocol-neutral notification > > framework, i.e., explains the concepts of subscriptions, filters, > > control plane notifications, replay, etc. And also defines the > > associated YANG data model, RPCs, etc. This is currently covered in > > 5277bis document which would need to be renamed. How about renaming to: "subscribed-notifications" > > b) A document which defines how notifications are sent over NETCONF > > (generalizing section 3.7 of RFC 5277) and how YANG notifications are > > encoded in XML and JSON > > (draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notifications), > > > > c) A document which defines how notifications are sent over RESTCONF > > (generalizing section 6 of RESTCONF RFC) and HTTP2. Also defines how > > YANG notifications are encoded in XML and JSON > > (draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-notif) > > > > d) A document which defines the subscription and push mechanism for > > YANG datastores allowing subscriber applications to request updates > > from a YANG datastore (draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push). > > > > > > This proposal was aiming to address the requirements Mahesh and I have > > read on NETCONF and NETMOD maillists and discussed with Eric: > > > > - Provide the protocol-neutral notification framework in a separate > > document. Yes, I support a new protocol neutral notification draft which can support = headers. > > - Improve YANG specification RFC 7950 to be (as good as possible and > > required) protocol-independent and remove XML and JSON notification > > encoding sections for NETCONF. This was also the discussion result > > between NETCONF and NETMOD co-chairs. This is a good idea, but not urgent to me. > > - Provide protocol-specific details e.g. how notifications are sent > > and the notification encodings in separate documents. This part could > > be for sure put into 6241bis and RESTCONF-bis. Though Eric and the > > co-chairs were favoring to have separate documents. Yes, these would be the (b) and (c) documents. Eric > > > > That said I see Martin's comments below as valid. > > > > > > I think this is fine, but *if* this happens to coincide with a > > rfc6241bis document, I would be nice to move the contents of the > > second of these documents (i.e., > > > > > > how notifications are sent over NETCONF) into rfc6241bis. As has > > > > been > > stated before, bumping the protocol version to 1.2 would allow us to > > change the > > > > > > "notification" element contents. > > > > > > > > @All: Please comment on the documents a)-d) above. Especially on the > > questions: > > > > - whether the XML and JSON notification encoding sections should be > > removed from 7950 and put into NETCONF WG documents as well as > > > > - whether the documents b) and c) are good to separate or they should > > be put into 6241bis and RESTCONF-bis documents. > > >=20 > Since when has RFC 7950 JSON notification encoding sections? 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charset=UTF-8 Hi, Using the yang-data extension, and a new extension: module ex { prefix ex; rc:yang-data notification { container notification { container hdr { leaf subscription-id { ... } } // no way to model the 2nd element which has a different name for each replacement // this is the event element or a top-level element for YANG 1.1 nested notifications } } extension augment-yang-data { "top-level usage only argument is a string identifying the yang-data to augment"; } ex:augment-yang-data ex:notification { augment "ex:notification/ex:hdr" { leaf sequence-id { ... } } } } Andy On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: > > > > I don't see a need to touch 7950 at this time. I do see a > > reason for a new notification draft which can support headers. > > We should define that new notification in a separate draft, > > and collapse it into YANG 1.2 whenever there is sufficient > > business need. > > > Hi Eric, > > I don't understand the need to update 7950 YANG at all. At > least, the way I see it, headers are very much a function of > the protocol, and we're trying to move all protocol stuff out > of YANG... > > When Andy and others mentioning wanting to model headers in > YANG, I think they were saying, for instance, augments against > NETCONF's YANG model. At least that's what I thought. > > Maybe someone could post a snippet of YANG that illustrates > what is trying to be achieved? > > K. > > > _______________________________________________ > Netconf mailing list > Netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > --94eb2c04ec4c134654054795c1cb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,


Using the yang-data = extension, and a new extension:

module ex {
<= div>=C2=A0 prefix ex;

rc:yang-data notification {<= /div>
=C2=A0 container notification {
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0con= tainer hdr {
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 leaf subscription-id { .= .. }
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0}
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0// no wa= y to model the 2nd element which has a different name for each replacement<= /div>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0// this is the event element or a top-level e= lement for YANG 1.1 nested notifications
=C2=A0 }
}


extension augment-yang-data {
=C2=A0 "top-level usage only
=C2=A0 =C2=A0argument is a st= ring identifying the yang-data to augment";
}

=
ex:augment-yang-data ex:notification {
=C2=A0 augment = "ex:notification/ex:hdr" {
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0leaf seq= uence-id { ... }
=C2=A0 }
}

}
<= br>

Andy


On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:34 PM, = Kent Watsen <kwatsen@juniper.net> wrote:


> I don't see a need to touch 7950 at this time.=C2=A0 I do see a > reason for a new notification draft which can support headers.
> We should define that new notification in a separate draft,
> and collapse it into YANG 1.2 whenever there is sufficient
> business need.


Hi Eric,

I don't understand the need to update 7950 YANG at all.=C2=A0 At
least, the way I see it, headers are very much a function of
the protocol, and we're trying to move all protocol stuff out
of YANG...

When Andy and others mentioning wanting to model headers in
YANG, I think they were saying, for instance, augments against
NETCONF's YANG model.=C2=A0 At least that's what I thought.

Maybe someone could post a snippet of YANG that illustrates
what is trying to be achieved?

K.


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-0500 From: "Eric Voit (evoit)" To: Andy Bierman , Kent Watsen Thread-Topic: [Netconf] New Notification and Subscription Features WASFW: 3 Options for Subscription & Event Notification draft structure Thread-Index: AQFS4MIRLH0VYlYKQ0KNB3RPNzgbhAKmZxwsArU7t7sCIa3ekqIWcwKAgAMZHKCAAIY/AIAABimA//+6YJA= Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 01:47:53 +0000 Message-ID: <826e1a36f85b4f6abf578d71b50dcf5d@XCH-RTP-013.cisco.com> References: <03b801d27116$4df5a890$e9e0f9b0$@gmail.com> <20170126.090210.1305302868536296710.mbj@tail-f.com> <028a01d27c05$2200bc80$66023580$@gmail.com> <20170131211619.GA78666@elstar.local> <02c701d27c0f$e6be23a0$b43a6ae0$@gmail.com> <568C0AD7-788D-4284-A996-79299D729CCE@juniper.net> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.118.56.226] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_826e1a36f85b4f6abf578d71b50dcf5dXCHRTP013ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 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Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2017 02:42:43 -0000 +1 on (b) and (c) as separate documents (and hence a more modular document = structure), for the reasons stated by Eric. =20 --- Alex -----Original Message----- From: Netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Eric Voit (evo= it) Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 2:25 PM To: Mehmet Ersue ; netconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Netconf] New Notification and Subscription Features WASFW: 3 = Options for Subscription & Event Notification draft structure > From: Netconf, January 31, 2017 5:18 PM >=20 > Thanks. It should read: >=20 > @All: Please comment on the documents a)-d) below. Especially on the > questions: > - whether the XML notification encoding section should be removed from=20 > 7950 and put into NETCONF WG documents as well as I don't see a need to touch 7950 at this time. I do see a reason for a new= notification draft which can support headers. We should define that new n= otification in a separate draft, and collapse it into YANG 1.2 whenever the= re is sufficient business need. > - whether the documents b) and c) are good to separate or the=20 > protocol-specific content should be put into 6241bis and RESTCONF-bis doc= uments. I would rather see (b) and (c) as separate documents. For (b) benefits of separation include: - security considerations and configuration for subscriptions - considerations for parallel support / implementation compatibility with R= FC-5277 - room for examples In (c), the benefits of separation include: - specifics of call-home and heartbeat for subscriptions - security considerations and configuration for subscriptions - benefits of HTTP2 for notifications (e.g., avoiding SSE), and HTTP2 Posts= ' interplay with GRPC. - room for examples it would be confusing to put all the above into Restconf. And the ink on R= estconf isn't dry yet. > Mehmet >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder=20 > [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de] > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:16 PM > To: Mehmet Ersue > Cc: 'Martin Bjorklund' ; netconf@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Netconf] New Notification and Subscription Features=20 > WASFW: 3 Options for Subscription & Event Notification draft structure >=20 > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:01:02PM +0100, Mehmet Ersue wrote: > > The original document set proposed was: > > > > a) A document which defines the protocol-neutral notification=20 > > framework, i.e., explains the concepts of subscriptions, filters,=20 > > control plane notifications, replay, etc. And also defines the=20 > > associated YANG data model, RPCs, etc. This is currently covered in=20 > > 5277bis document which would need to be renamed. How about renaming to: "subscribed-notifications" > > b) A document which defines how notifications are sent over NETCONF=20 > > (generalizing section 3.7 of RFC 5277) and how YANG notifications=20 > > are encoded in XML and JSON=20 > > (draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notifications), > > > > c) A document which defines how notifications are sent over RESTCONF=20 > > (generalizing section 6 of RESTCONF RFC) and HTTP2. Also defines=20 > > how YANG notifications are encoded in XML and JSON > > (draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-notif) > > > > d) A document which defines the subscription and push mechanism for=20 > > YANG datastores allowing subscriber applications to request updates=20 > > from a YANG datastore (draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push). > > > > > > This proposal was aiming to address the requirements Mahesh and I=20 > > have read on NETCONF and NETMOD maillists and discussed with Eric: > > > > - Provide the protocol-neutral notification framework in a separate=20 > > document. Yes, I support a new protocol neutral notification draft which can support = headers. > > - Improve YANG specification RFC 7950 to be (as good as possible and > > required) protocol-independent and remove XML and JSON notification=20 > > encoding sections for NETCONF. This was also the discussion result=20 > > between NETCONF and NETMOD co-chairs. This is a good idea, but not urgent to me. > > - Provide protocol-specific details e.g. how notifications are sent=20 > > and the notification encodings in separate documents. This part=20 > > could be for sure put into 6241bis and RESTCONF-bis. Though Eric and=20 > > the co-chairs were favoring to have separate documents. Yes, these would be the (b) and (c) documents. Eric > > > > That said I see Martin's comments below as valid. > > > > > > I think this is fine, but *if* this happens to coincide with a > > rfc6241bis document, I would be nice to move the contents of the=20 > > second of these documents (i.e., > > > > > > how notifications are sent over NETCONF) into rfc6241bis. As=20 > > > > has been > > stated before, bumping the protocol version to 1.2 would allow us to=20 > > change the > > > > > > "notification" element contents. > > > > > > > > @All: Please comment on the documents a)-d) above. Especially on the > > questions: > > > > - whether the XML and JSON notification encoding sections should be=20 > > removed from 7950 and put into NETCONF WG documents as well as > > > > - whether the documents b) and c) are good to separate or they=20 > > should be put into 6241bis and RESTCONF-bis documents. > > >=20 > Since when has RFC 7950 JSON notification encoding sections? This=20 > email is confusing on multiple ends. >=20 > /js >=20 > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Netconf mailing list > Netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf _______________________________________________ Netconf mailing list Netconf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf From nobody Fri Feb 3 04:39:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 252E2129C89 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2017 04:39:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.057 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.057 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Yes, I think that this has been a need for quite a while now. I would see datastores as key to it and that means, for me, that it would to some extent cut the ground from underneath YANG, RESTCONF, NETCONF, ... so while it is not 7950bis or 6241bis or ...it would be standards track and would update many of the current documents. Informational would, for me, be pointless. What I struggle with, always have, is having a single set of concepts that spans, datastore, RPC, Notifications etc. I have seen the much discussed s.6.4 of RFC7960 and its predecessors as a symptom of this, and likewise the often referred-to question of where is state data vis-a-vis datastores. It may be that there cannot be a single set of concepts, that the architecture of an RPC has nothing meaningful in common with the architecture of 'running', even if they share a DDL, but we should try. Whether this belongs on the Netconf list or the Netmod list or another list, I am less clear. 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Thunderbird/45.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170201014501.52CD8B81C39@rfc-editor.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] RFC 8040 on RESTCONF Protocol X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2017 13:27:34 -0000 This is a major milestone for this WG and in data model-driven management. Congrats and thanks to the authors, the chairs, and the entire community for creating a good specification. Regards, Benoit > A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. > > > RFC 8040 > > Title: RESTCONF Protocol > Author: A. Bierman, > M. Bjorklund, > K. Watsen > Status: Standards Track > Stream: IETF > Date: January 2017 > Mailbox: andy@yumaworks.com, > mbj@tail-f.com, > kwatsen@juniper.net > Pages: 137 > Characters: 238832 > Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None > > I-D Tag: draft-ietf-netconf-restconf-18.txt > > URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8040 > > DOI: 10.17487/RFC8040 > > This document describes an HTTP-based protocol that provides a > programmatic interface for accessing data defined in YANG, using the > datastore concepts defined in the Network Configuration Protocol > (NETCONF). > > This document is a product of the Network Configuration Working Group of the IETF. > > This is now a Proposed Standard. > > STANDARDS TRACK: This document specifies an Internet Standards Track > protocol for the Internet community, and requests discussion and suggestions > for improvements. Please refer to the current edition of the Official > Internet Protocol Standards (https://www.rfc-editor.org/standards) for the > standardization state and status of this protocol. Distribution of this > memo is unlimited. > > This announcement is sent to the IETF-Announce and rfc-dist lists. > To subscribe or unsubscribe, see > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce > https://mailman.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-dist > > For searching the RFC series, see https://www.rfc-editor.org/search > For downloading RFCs, see https://www.rfc-editor.org/retrieve/bulk > > Requests for special distribution should be addressed to either the > author of the RFC in question, or to rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org. Unless > specifically noted otherwise on the RFC itself, all RFCs are for > unlimited distribution. > > > The RFC Editor Team > Association Management Solutions, LLC > > > _______________________________________________ > Netconf mailing list > Netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > . > From nobody Tue Feb 7 06:32:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietf.org Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E35A129C2C; Tue, 7 Feb 2017 06:32:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Meeting Session Request Tool\"" To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.42.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148647797310.16293.13058927012984774326.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2017 06:32:53 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: mehmet.ersue@nokia.com, netconf-chairs@ietf.org, netconf@ietf.org Subject: [Netconf] netconf - Update to a Meeting Session Request for IETF 98 X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2017 14:32:53 -0000 An update to a meeting session request has just been submitted by Mehmet Ersue, a Chair of the netconf working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Network Configuration Area Name: Operations and Management Area Session Requester: Mehmet Ersue Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 150 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: netmod opsarea opsawg l2sm lime supa Second Priority: nmrg i2rs i2nsf nfvrg Third Priority: anima sacm v6ops core 6tisch 6lo People who must be present: Mehmet Ersue Benoit Claise Mahesh Jethanandani Resources Requested: Special Requests: Please schedule the NETCONF session on Tue, Wed or Thu. Friday is NOT possible. 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[91.52.8.161]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p49sm8407300wrb.10.2017.02.07.09.22.10 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 07 Feb 2017 09:22:10 -0800 (PST) From: "Mehmet Ersue" To: "'Kent Watsen'" , "'Juergen Schoenwaelder'" References: <03b801d27116$4df5a890$e9e0f9b0$@gmail.com> <20170126.090210.1305302868536296710.mbj@tail-f.com> <028a01d27c05$2200bc80$66023580$@gmail.com> <20170131211619.GA78666@elstar.local> <7B81B250-3246-44AF-B9E4-D24E8D2FB4DA@juniper.net> <00d101d27c7d$211890e0$6349b2a0$@gmail.com> <20170201113031.GB80657@elstar.local> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2017 18:22:10 +0100 Message-ID: <059e01d28166$b7277770$25766650$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQFS4MIRVdlex3JBc/CEOVVIhbfBQAKmZxwsArU7t7sCIa3ekgJvGfDnAY2jjesBhuV7kAIwV5FSoeMy6hA= Content-Language: de X-AVK-Virus-Check: AVA 25.10096;BF82DA0 X-AVK-Spam-Check: 1; str=0001.0A0C0202.589A0242.0123,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0; AE713 Archived-At: Cc: netconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Netconf] New Notification and Subscription Features WASFW: 3 Options for Subscription & Event Notification draft structure X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2017 17:29:42 -0000 Hi Kent, All, > -----Original Message----- > From: Kent Watsen [mailto:kwatsen@juniper.net] > Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 3:44 PM > To: Juergen Schoenwaelder ; > Mehmet Ersue > Cc: netconf@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Netconf] New Notification and Subscription Features = WASFW: 3 > Options for Subscription & Event Notification draft structure >=20 >=20 >=20 > >> I believe the terms defined in 6241 are needed in the context of = the > >> network configuration framework. > >> I think it is perfectly fine if 7950bis uses terms defined in 6241. > >> We don't need to redefine or duplicate these terms in another = draft. > >> > > > > We need to move towards a real architecture document that defines > > overarching concepts and this architecture document should also > > include the definition of the core terminology we use. >=20 > Agreed, and I'm thinking that the revised-datastores document might be > close enough to morph into this purpose. If we did this, then we'd = want to > point both 6241bis and 8040bis to it. I think an architecture document would require to address a bigger = picture concerning network configuration framework and its mechanisms. That said I'm not sure what kind of architecture document we need and = should strive for. On the one hand I agree that a 'real architecture document' makes very = much sense as a substantial document defining the "network configuration = framework", its protocols and the interaction with configuration = datastores. As a matter of fact preparing a normative architecture = document beforehand and to build the protocol development on it has not = been seen as necessary so far. We rather developed our documents = iteratively based on a configuration framework written down mostly in = 4741 and 4741bis. 8040 sees the NETCONF datastore concepts in 4741bis as = substantial but uses only a subset of it. RFC 6244 has been written after the finalization of NETCONF-4741bis and = YANG 1.0. As an Informational RFC it was an introduction document = bringing NETCONF and YANG into relation rather than providing a = substantial architecture document. OTOH I see it kind of late to produce a substantial architecture = document which would become normative for our development. I assume = people would be against waiting on the finalization of a normative = architecture document. As I understand many are in favor of publishing = the RFCs we have currently in our hands rapidly. Though, comparable with 6244, it would be again very useful for people = implementing configuration protocols to understand the bigger picture = and environment if we provide an informational document describing the = network configuration framework with all its pieces and the current IETF = configuration protocols (including I2RS) as well as the usage of YANG = for different cases. The revised datastore concept would be part of it = as it addresses this architectural need. =20 > It's questionable if we'd want to point a 7950bis to such a doc. On = one hand it > is ideal for YANG to be independent of the datastore concept (e.g., > artifacts/data-structures) but, on the other hand, there are YANG > statements like 'config' that might require a reference in order to = make > sense. Originally YANG has been specified as a modeling language for NETCONF. = Now YANG is being prepared to use for diverse protocols or even more = generally "for Network Configuration". I think YANG as a modeling language should define the access to a data = tree and the validation of a datastore on a generic level. It is highly desirable to keep it, as much as possible, independent of a = particular type of datastore and the details of the DS concept. =20 >=20 > Kent >=20 From nobody Thu Feb 9 00:41:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3561295DA for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2017 00:41:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8EocThugN3-q for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2017 00:41:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pg0-x241.google.com (mail-pg0-x241.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c05::241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CFAD4129631 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2017 00:41:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pg0-x241.google.com with SMTP id 204so17360737pge.2 for ; Thu, 09 Feb 2017 00:41:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version:subject:message-id:date :to; bh=pQpntvR487uU1jTNCRop/BuDc1FypF69O7F1tL3b6Kc=; b=koghfAyhfr05n16XQ02A4ACn3MFiHHhdgPXbzkM+vZRs0vZqEC5h0XE4f9MvsLhC3m 4BBRpbenzC7+uoMe9zDbHby+OU0BduVO8A5WmU/pPc6u1AYt6nRzTZTAxPaaaOhE103m dYX7PUtoq4Cxt2iKVrgKwyN8PHZNOKbcCuIg9bUPIMWzhA3ymCJqW/ZFZ3FRSu7qvfWQ +BUkPUxN8yNp6lvbajChpa9UguU/u6HOd7EeEC8oo8esi4+M5CuEXpnFRPuwIlnsnlQC g77PSQZsjcbSbrFFhvgO0yne+Yp55KIjEJLv+Om04SVZlgRB8BwjHa13oagaF4j03n5u Xzlw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version :subject:message-id:date:to; bh=pQpntvR487uU1jTNCRop/BuDc1FypF69O7F1tL3b6Kc=; b=BauFCIJUvw7e2avCeZ6y6AW/k+WUXNQklCLMifCUi/nKhOmQCg0CsWbMqXaDb4iCZm g9ebOo1ySRAwv9siu5lfDpArjekttoBA2SajOjmHJ7DFPfgVPHuhbGkekJ3uwxGhXckY 6fTsEWqVCrgPD2hYpXINEEMmOb1/8zuphO1t9TroVaquU3hJNZJUglSkH5REki+X54M+ 43unN8KZu0JVaoa9NnfUXBdvShm9hqDSQ/DywkE3Lu5/3AkQvZfvE1/C0cgtn5wsWmxR WNKO9ShrQtEkKRvhPdkCmHumLsgpalKB40s1kfObYbmP3RjxpuMtArIHVEGnFxccJxyj QYow== X-Gm-Message-State: AMke39ne1R7Xq0SN1DP7XilFUo87rxfWJuq3YSnp4KDaBYlXWwOhmqM824Lk2rVVDcS+3Q== X-Received: by 10.99.228.69 with SMTP id i5mr2591741pgk.63.1486629710835; Thu, 09 Feb 2017 00:41:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.20.10.3] ([106.208.0.181]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l3sm26725776pgn.10.2017.02.09.00.41.48 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 09 Feb 2017 00:41:49 -0800 (PST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Mahesh Jethanandani Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <74BF505D-D509-4F42-ADBC-914A466AAD3E@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 14:11:45 +0530 To: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13G36) Archived-At: Subject: [Netconf] Consensus call on draft-ietf-netconf-yang-patch X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2017 08:41:54 -0000 In version 12 of the document, the "patch-id" leaf was made mandatory. Howe= ver, the draft was not completely changed to reflect this. The authors propose the following changes.=20 This consensus call is to address any concerns folks might have with these c= hanges. If you do, please state why, and suggest alternate text. The call wi= ll run for two days and will terminate on midnight February 11.=20 Section 2.2. OLD: A YANG Patch is optionally identified by a unique "patch-id", and it may have an optional comment. NEW: A YANG Patch is identified by a unique "patch-id", and it may have an option= al comment. Section 3. OLD: leaf patch-id { type string; description "The patch-id value used in the request. If there was no patch-id present in the request then this field will not be present."; } NEW: leaf patch-id { type string; mandatory true; description "The patch-id value used in the request."; ----------------------------------------------------- Section 2.6. Since YANG Patch *may* be used on other datastores than runnin= g, we shouldn't have this text here. It is entirely a protocol issue. REMOVE: The RESTCONF server will save the running datastore to non-volatile storage i= f it supports non-volatile storage and if the running datastore contents hav= e changed, as specified in [RFC8040]. ----------------------------------------------------- Section 3. This text also assumes that YANG Patch only can be used to modif= y the running datastore. This is not correct, and the text is not really ne= eded in this document anyway. It is a property of YANG validation in general. REMOVE: YANG datastore validation is performed before any edits have been a= pplied to the running datastore. 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quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Mahesh Jethanandani Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 07:27:04 +0530 Message-Id: <13C218D8-48DF-4258-94F9-6A2D21D46BB1@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <74BF505D-D509-4F42-ADBC-914A466AAD3E@gmail.com> References: <74BF505D-D509-4F42-ADBC-914A466AAD3E@gmail.com> To: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13G36) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] Consensus call on draft-ietf-netconf-yang-patch X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 01:57:12 -0000 This concludes this consensus call. With no objections, will go ahead with t= he suggested changes.=20 Thanks.=20 Mahesh Jethanandani=20 mjethanandani@gmail.com > On Feb 9, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Mahesh Jethanandani w= rote: >=20 >=20 > In version 12 of the document, the "patch-id" leaf was made mandatory. Ho= wever, the draft was not completely changed to > reflect this. The authors propose the following changes.=20 >=20 > This consensus call is to address any concerns folks might have with these= changes. If you do, please state why, and suggest alternate text. The call w= ill run for two days and will terminate on midnight February 11.=20 >=20 > Section 2.2. >=20 > OLD: >=20 > A YANG Patch is optionally identified by a unique "patch-id", and it > may have an optional comment. >=20 > NEW: >=20 > A YANG Patch is identified by a unique "patch-id", and it may have an opti= onal comment. >=20 >=20 > Section 3. >=20 > OLD: >=20 > leaf patch-id { > type string; > description > "The patch-id value used in the request. > If there was no patch-id present in the request > then this field will not be present."; > } >=20 > NEW: >=20 > leaf patch-id { > type string; > mandatory true; > description > "The patch-id value used in the request."; >=20 > ----------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Section 2.6. Since YANG Patch *may* be used on other datastores than runn= ing, we shouldn't have this text here. It is entirely a protocol issue. >=20 > REMOVE: >=20 > The RESTCONF server will save the running datastore to non-volatile storag= e if it supports non-volatile storage and if the running datastore contents h= ave changed, as specified in [RFC8040]. >=20 >=20 > ----------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Section 3. This text also assumes that YANG Patch only can be used to mod= ify the running datastore. This is not correct, and the text is not really n= eeded in this document anyway. 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<1C76847D-46FA-47A4-85EC-0B099F2A3D57@juniper.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.0 (2016-04-01) Archived-At: Cc: Netconf Subject: Re: [Netconf] YACM? (RE: WG Adoption Call for draft-bierman-netconf-rfc6536bis WAS:FW: new NACM draft) X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 21:41:09 -0000 Well, the way I look at things is that we have (1) YANG to describe the naming and the semantics of data, (2) we have datastores to conceptually maintain instantiations of YANG defined data (I am using conceptual here since operational state typically does not exist as data stored in a datastore but the datastore provides only a conceptual view an data returned by instrumentation callbacks), (3) protocols such as NETCONF and RESTCONF to access the datastores. If you follow this viewpoint for a moment, then NACM really is about access to datastores, i.e., it is a much more datastore access control model then it is a YANG access control model. Perhaps it is a YANG-defined datastore access control model. /js /js This view might remind some people to the beginning of Section 2.2 of RFC 3410 and yes I think we are architecturally not doing something fundamentally different these days, even though the details of the technology have advanced significantly. On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 06:08:40PM +0000, Kent Watsen wrote: > > > >> Perhaps NACM should really be renamed to YACM;-) I know, the draft is in > >> the Netconf WG, not Netmod, so why should it not be specific to Netconf and > >> Restconf, but still… > > > > hmm - that might be a better name as we adjust to the fact that > > YANG is no longer coupled to NETCONF. > > > > Agreed. > > Kent > > _______________________________________________ > Netconf mailing list > Netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Mon Feb 13 13:50:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B0712943C for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2017 13:50:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=yumaworks-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uYCMoFdjkJuK for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2017 13:50:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wm0-x22b.google.com (mail-wm0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 478A7129444 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2017 13:50:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wm0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id r141so2469578wmg.1 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2017 13:50:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yumaworks-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=LyNuX9yZEGR4Qpp/0zoBXTV8v/jFJY6NVc9AAA4yn6w=; b=gVtR8NvVRT70ZLDUrjSqJhLbd29tH6+prwZEdD1MsuXaoY2C5+lOlOwxFEyea+qoqs C4pfaKA8Xo3h8PWFZGZF81l5ZYpWainSAyVvGKPCw0OCu+KthoRd8uTKAf6DEicWH7oh JhK6RvWljY7nKKSYkluBH8S3tUabdasSFmWbM5KtXNn1450p5SmHA04lzWR7m4FtQo4X x4SA2aCY8BASF/nz5Cc/K9sNNNe3RDHL2CwVwWBSZOUPi0dYEPzxtl2bjXNyNlxZGP95 q48vIRwxlNqwzu9vrEGCHEK1+rTgk8DqL1sV2RkNADNG+woIK+m8ZpJgz124EA89ZnvA Urtg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=LyNuX9yZEGR4Qpp/0zoBXTV8v/jFJY6NVc9AAA4yn6w=; b=CCq+sWO6fh9QBtgFX4nrw8QyEBjJ5QizHUSxCODFX1inM6K58UiG34GpyROIVCGAsI AjdOEVAr08qX6nkIv866VrGXCx4ufJSmAGNYYIVLx9eb72Fv7s6CRiw3sQZSMm/3xZPf zAxDAvlH+smNBa7uVaGtq3u4yXHXjgrFHNM3gNV0sC+A/pScaptCjLK7RIZ8Ttq7lUTG Qb8OEP3Cchk7I/nFByWP8Cl0qiV6xJYZ1/GQC/II9b0D/JpWq6EaMvt+Yi1cfWFW20Fw y3x8hAAU6nFnmZWnff+Ni81WH0K4RrvC1MJO3YCFrwWtP0tbfz+GUx7F/0V5GMnp+3vz ELnw== X-Gm-Message-State: AMke39nX4X2NCUGzNhSzj4v2pEJQS32itbs/STe2E6Z+rtbEyBCTuqNJMoSWESn6o+zc6A96Xl5tnq/A6XNZJQ== X-Received: by 10.28.103.3 with SMTP id b3mr309296wmc.99.1487022646598; Mon, 13 Feb 2017 13:50:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.131.67 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Feb 2017 13:50:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20170213214103.GA11655@elstar.local> References: <644DA50AFA8C314EA9BDDAC83BD38A2E0DF7D43A@SJCEML703-CHM.china.huawei.com> <1C76847D-46FA-47A4-85EC-0B099F2A3D57@juniper.net> <20170213214103.GA11655@elstar.local> From: Andy Bierman Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 13:50:45 -0800 Message-ID: To: Juergen Schoenwaelder , Kent Watsen , Andy Bierman , Alexander Clemm , Netconf Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114a91b29fd20e0548707009 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] YACM? (RE: WG Adoption Call for draft-bierman-netconf-rfc6536bis WAS:FW: new NACM draft) X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 21:50:50 -0000 --001a114a91b29fd20e0548707009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder < j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > Well, the way I look at things is that we have > > (1) YANG to describe the naming and the semantics of data, > > (2) we have datastores to conceptually maintain instantiations of YANG > defined data (I am using conceptual here since operational state > typically does not exist as data stored in a datastore but the > datastore provides only a conceptual view an data returned by > instrumentation callbacks), > > (3) protocols such as NETCONF and RESTCONF to access the datastores. > > If you follow this viewpoint for a moment, then NACM really is about > access to datastores, i.e., it is a much more datastore access control > model then it is a YANG access control model. Perhaps it is a > YANG-defined datastore access control model. > > NACM also controls access to notification, RPC, and action which may not be datastore-related. I prefer not to change the name because it is already known and used, and changing it will not fix as many problems as it would create. /js > Andy > > /js This view might remind some people to the beginning of Section 2.2 > of RFC 3410 and yes I think we are architecturally not doing > something fundamentally different these days, even though the > details of the technology have advanced significantly. > > On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 06:08:40PM +0000, Kent Watsen wrote: > > > > > > >> Perhaps NACM should really be renamed to YACM;-) I know, the draft > is in > > >> the Netconf WG, not Netmod, so why should it not be specific to > Netconf and > > >> Restconf, but still=E2=80=A6 > > > > > > hmm - that might be a better name as we adjust to the fact that > > > YANG is no longer coupled to NETCONF. > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > Kent > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Netconf mailing list > > Netconf@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > --001a114a91b29fd20e0548707009 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote:
Well, the way I look at things is that we have

(1) YANG to describe the naming and the semantics of data,

(2) we have datastores to conceptually maintain instantiations of YANG
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 defined data (I am using conceptual here since operational st= ate
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 typically does not exist as data stored in a datastore but th= e
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 datastore provides only a conceptual view an data returned by=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 instrumentation callbacks),

(3) protocols such as NETCONF and RESTCONF to access the datastores.

If you follow this viewpoint for a moment, then NACM really is about
access to datastores, i.e., it is a much more datastore access control
model then it is a YANG access control model. Perhaps it is a
YANG-defined datastore access control model.



NACM also controls acce= ss to notification, RPC, and action
which may not be datastore-re= lated.

=C2=A0I prefer not to change the name becau= se it is already known and used,
and changing it will not fix as = many problems as it would create.


/js


Andy
=C2= =A0

/js This view might remind some people to the beginning of Section 2.2
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 of RFC 3410 and yes I think we are architecturally not doing<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 something fundamentally different these days, even though the=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 details of the technology have advanced significantly.

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 06:08:40PM +0000, Kent Watsen wrote:
>
>
> >> Perhaps NACM should really be renamed to YACM;-)=C2=A0 I know= , the draft is in
> >> the Netconf WG, not Netmod, so why should it not be specific = to Netconf and
> >> Restconf, but still=E2=80=A6
> >
> > hmm - that might be a better name as we adjust to the fact that > > YANG is no longer coupled to NETCONF.
> >
>
> Agreed.
>
> Kent
>

> _______________________________________________
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> Netconf@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf=


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(RE: WG Adoption Call for draft-bierman-netconf-rfc6536bis WAS:FW: new NACM draft) X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 21:55:35 -0000 On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 01:50:45PM -0800, Andy Bierman wrote: > On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder < > j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > > > Well, the way I look at things is that we have > > > > (1) YANG to describe the naming and the semantics of data, > > > > (2) we have datastores to conceptually maintain instantiations of YANG > > defined data (I am using conceptual here since operational state > > typically does not exist as data stored in a datastore but the > > datastore provides only a conceptual view an data returned by > > instrumentation callbacks), > > > > (3) protocols such as NETCONF and RESTCONF to access the datastores. > > > > If you follow this viewpoint for a moment, then NACM really is about > > access to datastores, i.e., it is a much more datastore access control > > model then it is a YANG access control model. Perhaps it is a > > YANG-defined datastore access control model. > > > > > > NACM also controls access to notification, RPC, and action > which may not be datastore-related. > Sure. > I prefer not to change the name because it is already known and used, > and changing it will not fix as many problems as it would create. I agree, changing the name does not buy anything and I would not do this. I am just saying that YACM may not even be better than NACM. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Tue Feb 14 18:15:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D93D61294D5 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2017 18:15:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7B0ny_fcf6eq for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2017 18:15:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 388D312944A for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2017 18:15:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DAQ29245; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 02:15:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SJCEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.208.112.38) by lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.130) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 02:15:13 +0000 Received: from SJCEML703-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.5.69]) by SJCEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.133]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Tue, 14 Feb 2017 18:15:08 -0800 From: Alexander Clemm To: Juergen Schoenwaelder , Andy Bierman Thread-Topic: [Netconf] YACM? (RE: WG Adoption Call for draft-bierman-netconf-rfc6536bis WAS:FW: new NACM draft) Thread-Index: AQHShiQ+OQ0NZ+S830uTO4NbG7ij3qFn/ZOAgAACtYCAAAFagIABUpbw Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 02:15:07 +0000 Message-ID: <644DA50AFA8C314EA9BDDAC83BD38A2E0DF80230@SJCEML703-CHM.china.huawei.com> References: <644DA50AFA8C314EA9BDDAC83BD38A2E0DF7D43A@SJCEML703-CHM.china.huawei.com> <1C76847D-46FA-47A4-85EC-0B099F2A3D57@juniper.net> <20170213214103.GA11655@elstar.local> <20170213215535.GA11730@elstar.local> In-Reply-To: <20170213215535.GA11730@elstar.local> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.213.48.114] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020204.58A3B9B2.018D, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.5.69, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: de156178fc9d763dbc36b2cc249df98a Archived-At: Cc: Netconf Subject: Re: [Netconf] YACM? (RE: WG Adoption Call for draft-bierman-netconf-rfc6536bis WAS:FW: new NACM draft) X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 02:15:20 -0000 >From my perspective, this is fine, but the text should make it very clear t= hat this is about access to YANG-defined datastores, YANG-defined RPCs, and= YANG-defined notifications, independent of access protocol. I believe the= goal is to maintain separation between protocol, datastores, data definiti= ons (somewhat changed from when this all started), so it is important to av= oid interdependencies and have clear messaging. =20 --- Alex -----Original Message----- From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de]=20 Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 1:56 PM To: Andy Bierman Cc: Kent Watsen ; Alexander Clemm ; Netconf Subject: Re: [Netconf] YACM? (RE: WG Adoption Call for draft-bierman-netcon= f-rfc6536bis WAS:FW: new NACM draft) On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 01:50:45PM -0800, Andy Bierman wrote: > On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder <=20 > j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote: >=20 > > Well, the way I look at things is that we have > > > > (1) YANG to describe the naming and the semantics of data, > > > > (2) we have datastores to conceptually maintain instantiations of YANG > > defined data (I am using conceptual here since operational state > > typically does not exist as data stored in a datastore but the > > datastore provides only a conceptual view an data returned by > > instrumentation callbacks), > > > > (3) protocols such as NETCONF and RESTCONF to access the datastores. > > > > If you follow this viewpoint for a moment, then NACM really is about=20 > > access to datastores, i.e., it is a much more datastore access=20 > > control model then it is a YANG access control model. Perhaps it is=20 > > a YANG-defined datastore access control model. > > > > >=20 > NACM also controls access to notification, RPC, and action which may=20 > not be datastore-related. > Sure. > I prefer not to change the name because it is already known and used,=20 > and changing it will not fix as many problems as it would create. I agree, changing the name does not buy anything and I would not do this. I= am just saying that YACM may not even be better than NACM. /js --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Wed Feb 15 02:58:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 637661204D9 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 02:58:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.921 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.921 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=btconnect.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ay75TYh2RJst for ; 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(RE: WG Adoption Call for draft-bierman-netconf-rfc6536bis WAS:FW: new NACM draft) X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 10:58:01 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Bierman" Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 9:50 PM On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder < j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > Well, the way I look at things is that we have > > (1) YANG to describe the naming and the semantics of data, > > (2) we have datastores to conceptually maintain instantiations of YANG > defined data (I am using conceptual here since operational state > typically does not exist as data stored in a datastore but the > datastore provides only a conceptual view an data returned by > instrumentation callbacks), > > (3) protocols such as NETCONF and RESTCONF to access the datastores. > > If you follow this viewpoint for a moment, then NACM really is about > access to datastores, i.e., it is a much more datastore access control > model then it is a YANG access control model. Perhaps it is a > YANG-defined datastore access control model. NACM also controls access to notification, RPC, and action which may not be datastore-related. I prefer not to change the name because it is already known and used, and changing it will not fix as many problems as it would create. I agree. There are plenty of acronyms and such-like that are plain stupid when looked at logically, but which are widely used and understood and for which change can only confuse in the short or even the long term. All the existing documentation and references will take a very long time to be replaced, even in a fast moving world such as ours. Tom Petch /js > Andy > > /js This view might remind some people to the beginning of Section 2.2 > of RFC 3410 and yes I think we are architecturally not doing > something fundamentally different these days, even though the > details of the technology have advanced significantly. > > On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 06:08:40PM +0000, Kent Watsen wrote: > > > > > > >> Perhaps NACM should really be renamed to YACM;-) I know, the draft > is in > > >> the Netconf WG, not Netmod, so why should it not be specific to > Netconf and > > >> Restconf, but still… > > > > > > hmm - that might be a better name as we adjust to the fact that > > > YANG is no longer coupled to NETCONF. > > > > > > > Agreed. > > > > Kent > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Netconf mailing list > > Netconf@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- > _______________________________________________ > Netconf mailing list > Netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > From nobody Wed Feb 15 04:03:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B1C612952F for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 04:03:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nic.cz Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jna9paIfEkX2 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 04:03:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.nic.cz (mail.nic.cz [217.31.204.67]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0B75129440 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 04:03:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:2001:718:1a02:1:20d1:e797:6a9f:dc8f] (unknown [IPv6:2001:718:1a02:1:20d1:e797:6a9f:dc8f]) by mail.nic.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 61694605C2; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 13:03:02 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nic.cz; s=default; t=1487160182; bh=PwL1bSwkgD/njaPbnnl+VF79wF6ngbCXwe3x5thESGs=; h=From:Date:To; b=R8M1inzc4ttorZ8yYi1hiwq2wf8NpftozP3vaCGFPyGsbtA+YYK+lJuTVfEbSAdZE ZKmKWDAkixMujzZLVca07VBsuQUhIIs7u4/gqlwtgR6bcBIF24BopiDBstOda2ZK1s jmMZjfj6bcFR6k5RA3+jSp5I7Wc/QIR0eKr1kwKo= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) From: Ladislav Lhotka X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <050601d2877a$01017bc0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 13:03:08 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <161CE416-59F9-489B-80E8-4A869FD520E9@nic.cz> References: <644DA50AFA8C314EA9BDDAC83BD38A2E0DF7D43A@SJCEML703-CHM.china.huawei.com> <1C76847D-46FA-47A4-85EC-0B099F2A3D57@juniper.net> <20170213214103.GA11655@elstar.local> <050601d2877a$01017bc0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> To: "t.petch" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.2 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Cc: Netconf Subject: Re: [Netconf] YACM? (RE: WG Adoption Call for draft-bierman-netconf-rfc6536bis WAS:FW: new NACM draft) X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 12:03:16 -0000 > On 15 Feb 2017, at 11:51, t.petch wrote: >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy Bierman" > Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 9:50 PM >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder < > j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote: >=20 >> Well, the way I look at things is that we have >>=20 >> (1) YANG to describe the naming and the semantics of data, >>=20 >> (2) we have datastores to conceptually maintain instantiations of = YANG >> defined data (I am using conceptual here since operational state >> typically does not exist as data stored in a datastore but the >> datastore provides only a conceptual view an data returned by >> instrumentation callbacks), >>=20 >> (3) protocols such as NETCONF and RESTCONF to access the datastores. >>=20 >> If you follow this viewpoint for a moment, then NACM really is about >> access to datastores, i.e., it is a much more datastore access = control >> model then it is a YANG access control model. Perhaps it is a >> YANG-defined datastore access control model. >=20 > NACM also controls access to notification, RPC, and action > which may not be datastore-related. >=20 > I prefer not to change the name because it is already known and used, > and changing it will not fix as many problems as it would create. >=20 > >=20 > I agree. There are plenty of acronyms and such-like that are plain > stupid when looked at logically, but which are widely used and > understood and for which change can only confuse in the short or even > the long term. All the existing documentation and references will = take > a very long time to be replaced, even in a fast moving world such as > ours. +1 After all, NETCONF is also a working group, not only protocol. Lada >=20 > Tom Petch >=20 > /js >>=20 >=20 >=20 > Andy >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> /js This view might remind some people to the beginning of Section = 2.2 >> of RFC 3410 and yes I think we are architecturally not doing >> something fundamentally different these days, even though the >> details of the technology have advanced significantly. >>=20 >> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 06:08:40PM +0000, Kent Watsen wrote: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>>> Perhaps NACM should really be renamed to YACM;-) I know, the > draft >> is in >>>>> the Netconf WG, not Netmod, so why should it not be specific to >> Netconf and >>>>> Restconf, but still=E2=80=A6 >>>>=20 >>>> hmm - that might be a better name as we adjust to the fact that >>>> YANG is no longer coupled to NETCONF. >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Agreed. >>>=20 >>> Kent >>>=20 >>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Netconf mailing list >>> Netconf@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH >> Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | = Germany >> Fax: +49 421 200 3103 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > = ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------- >=20 >=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Netconf mailing list >> Netconf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Netconf mailing list > Netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf -- Ladislav Lhotka, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 From nobody Wed Feb 15 04:25:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF8C1299D2 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 04:25:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nic.cz Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ew96DXSwPAL4 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 04:25:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.nic.cz (mail.nic.cz [217.31.204.67]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 483A01295CC for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 04:25:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:2001:718:1a02:1:20d1:e797:6a9f:dc8f] (unknown [IPv6:2001:718:1a02:1:20d1:e797:6a9f:dc8f]) by mail.nic.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0F7266017F for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 13:25:04 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nic.cz; s=default; t=1487161504; bh=zD/k0wsk3VRcecZ8FeFkToNYVYgY/nmr39ln90/cuR4=; h=From:Date:To; b=BL8Zh4+UZMtmwEefnWu/M52Jx4Vq3TficraRwy2jLYAsOfSaGKV/7QN1ZNdhLxIGg E+tenoHbFvvt34Bzp+x5dVlRepCjiPetSicroGqCyGlstchKFc6eziIPtDwKuvmuhs Wq0XBsOQ1zAatuFFPBkLMLKw0IRry128JVaChLtk= From: Ladislav Lhotka Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) Message-Id: <5018AA43-22B5-4D2E-B6F0-B912045037E7@nic.cz> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 13:25:09 +0100 To: Andy Bierman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.2 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Subject: [Netconf] retrieving list keys in RESTCONF X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 12:25:10 -0000 Hi, given that a whole list is not a resource in RESTCONF (see = https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/netconf/current/msg11047.html), I = am wondering if there is any possibility to retrieve values of keys for = all list entries that exist in a datastore, e.g. using the "fields" = parameter. This is important because it may be the only feasible way for a client = to get to a particular list entry. Thanks, Lada -- Ladislav Lhotka, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 From nobody Wed Feb 15 04:33:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46533129A3D for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 04:33:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q-N2tEIvgV_3 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 04:33:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F17FC127735 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 04:33:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (h-148-188.a165.priv.bahnhof.se [176.10.148.188]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2E44F1AE0398; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 13:33:44 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 13:33:44 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20170215.133344.638915639483561245.mbj@tail-f.com> To: lhotka@nic.cz From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <5018AA43-22B5-4D2E-B6F0-B912045037E7@nic.cz> References: <5018AA43-22B5-4D2E-B6F0-B912045037E7@nic.cz> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 24.5 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: Netconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Netconf] retrieving list keys in RESTCONF X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 12:33:46 -0000 Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > Hi, > > given that a whole list is not a resource in RESTCONF (see > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/netconf/current/msg11047.html), > I am wondering if there is any possibility to retrieve values of keys > for all list entries that exist in a datastore, e.g. using the > "fields" parameter. Yes, see appendix B.3.3 in RFC 8040 for an example. /martin > > This is important because it may be the only feasible way for a client > to get to a particular list entry. > > Thanks, Lada > > -- > Ladislav Lhotka, CZ.NIC Labs > PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Netconf mailing list > Netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > From nobody Wed Feb 15 04:49:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F1AD129ADC for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 04:49:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nic.cz Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B2TU4ejb0rC2 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 04:49:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.nic.cz (mail.nic.cz [217.31.204.67]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 899BA129A37 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 04:49:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:2001:718:1a02:1:20d1:e797:6a9f:dc8f] (unknown [IPv6:2001:718:1a02:1:20d1:e797:6a9f:dc8f]) by mail.nic.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DCC5A6011B; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 13:49:18 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nic.cz; s=default; t=1487162958; bh=jV6bPZQnwyDa1YXu0sfl9mpMP4Vxzk/2PacMhBpHfaU=; h=From:Date:To; b=DwBA0641yAKZuLfkcz2LvqybnS4c45E8KMN+BnAFOP0F/E6AzmK20CrIAk1blDAGB 7X2RDl76X+Hy0oq3qKBW68Jtw6YCtvJlBKSRLDLYL3bNAdZ6ruC2AA5n9jG8AzJCYL izRYMOP2i4d2JuPntPKnkeRkFI6v3tocWKu9+FDQ= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) From: Ladislav Lhotka In-Reply-To: <20170215.133344.638915639483561245.mbj@tail-f.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 13:49:24 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <96012266-E8EB-41E3-B2B5-4F79FC282125@nic.cz> References: <5018AA43-22B5-4D2E-B6F0-B912045037E7@nic.cz> <20170215.133344.638915639483561245.mbj@tail-f.com> To: =?utf-8?Q?Martin_Bj=C3=B6rklund?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.2 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Archived-At: Cc: Netconf Subject: Re: [Netconf] retrieving list keys in RESTCONF X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 12:49:22 -0000 > On 15 Feb 2017, at 13:33, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >> Hi, >> >> given that a whole list is not a resource in RESTCONF (see >> https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/netconf/current/msg11047.html), >> I am wondering if there is any possibility to retrieve values of keys >> for all list entries that exist in a datastore, e.g. using the >> "fields" parameter. > > Yes, see appendix B.3.3 in RFC 8040 for an example. OK, thanks. So if I understand it correctly GET /restconf/data/ietf-yang-library:modules-state/module/name is illegal (keys for the "module" list must be given) but GET /restconf/data/ietf-yang-library:modules-state/?fields=module(name) is permitted. Lada > > > /martin > > > >> >> This is important because it may be the only feasible way for a client >> to get to a particular list entry. >> >> Thanks, Lada >> >> -- >> Ladislav Lhotka, CZ.NIC Labs >> PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Netconf mailing list >> Netconf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf >> -- Ladislav Lhotka, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 From nobody Wed Feb 15 04:55:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D52B3126D73 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 04:55:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PKt4_YyK0xoE for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 04:55:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 859D81293D9 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 04:55:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (h-148-188.a165.priv.bahnhof.se [176.10.148.188]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7FCB81AE0398; Wed, 15 Feb 2017 13:55:23 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 13:55:23 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20170215.135523.1670562098025094265.mbj@tail-f.com> To: lhotka@nic.cz From: Martin Bjorklund In-Reply-To: <96012266-E8EB-41E3-B2B5-4F79FC282125@nic.cz> References: <5018AA43-22B5-4D2E-B6F0-B912045037E7@nic.cz> <20170215.133344.638915639483561245.mbj@tail-f.com> <96012266-E8EB-41E3-B2B5-4F79FC282125@nic.cz> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.7 on Emacs 24.5 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: Netconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Netconf] retrieving list keys in RESTCONF X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 12:55:26 -0000 Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > > On 15 Feb 2017, at 13:33, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > > > Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> given that a whole list is not a resource in RESTCONF (see > >> https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/netconf/current/msg11047.html), > >> I am wondering if there is any possibility to retrieve values of keys > >> for all list entries that exist in a datastore, e.g. using the > >> "fields" parameter. > > > > Yes, see appendix B.3.3 in RFC 8040 for an example. > > OK, thanks. So if I understand it correctly > > GET /restconf/data/ietf-yang-library:modules-state/module/name > > is illegal (keys for the "module" list must be given) Yes. > > but > > GET /restconf/data/ietf-yang-library:modules-state/?fields=module(name) > > is permitted. 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RFC 8071 Title: NETCONF Call Home and RESTCONF Call Home Author: K. Watsen Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: February 2017 Mailbox: kwatsen@juniper.net Pages: 13 Characters: 31226 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-netconf-call-home-17.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8071 DOI: 10.17487/RFC8071 This RFC presents NETCONF Call Home and RESTCONF Call Home, which enable a NETCONF or RESTCONF server to initiate a secure connection to a NETCONF or RESTCONF client, respectively. This document is a product of the Network Configuration Working Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard. STANDARDS TRACK: This document specifies an Internet Standards Track protocol for the Internet community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements. Please refer to the current edition of the Official Internet Protocol Standards (https://www.rfc-editor.org/standards) for the standardization state and status of this protocol. 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RFC 8072 Title: YANG Patch Media Type Author: A. Bierman, M. Bjorklund, K. Watsen Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: February 2017 Mailbox: andy@yumaworks.com, mbj@tail-f.com, kwatsen@juniper.net Pages: 39 Characters: 65765 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-netconf-yang-patch-14.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8072 DOI: 10.17487/RFC8072 This document describes a method for applying patches to configuration datastores using data defined with the YANG data modeling language. This document is a product of the Network Configuration Working Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard. STANDARDS TRACK: This document specifies an Internet Standards Track protocol for the Internet community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements. Please refer to the current edition of the Official Internet Protocol Standards (https://www.rfc-editor.org/standards) for the standardization state and status of this protocol. 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Congratulations to the WG and especially the authors and all contributors! Regards, Mehmet > -----Original Message----- > From: Netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of rfc- > editor@rfc-editor.org > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:06 PM > To: ietf-announce@ietf.org; rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org > Cc: drafts-update-ref@iana.org; netconf@ietf.org; rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org > Subject: [Netconf] RFC 8071 on NETCONF Call Home and RESTCONF Call > Home > > A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. > > > RFC 8071 > > Title: NETCONF Call Home and RESTCONF > Call Home > Author: K. 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X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 21:54:29 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration of the IETF. Title : Subscribing to Event Notifications Authors : Eric Voit Alexander Clemm Alberto Gonzalez Prieto Einar Nilsen-Nygaard Ambika Prasad Tripathy Filename : draft-ietf-netconf-subscribed-notifications-00.txt Pages : 45 Date : 2017-02-23 Abstract: This document defines capabilities and operations for subscribing to content and providing asynchronous notification message delivery on that content. Notification delivery can occur over a variety of protocols used commonly in conjunction with YANG, such as NETCONF and RESTCONF. The capabilities and operations defined in this document when using in conjunction with draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event- notifications are intended to obsolete RFC 5277. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-subscribed-notifications-00.txt X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 22:59:13 -0000 This is the draft formerly known as 5277bis.... > -----Original Message----- > From: Netconf [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet- > drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 4:54 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: netconf@ietf.org > Subject: [Netconf] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netconf-subscribed-notification= s-00.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > This draft is a work item of the Network Configuration of the IETF. >=20 > Title : Subscribing to Event Notifications > Authors : Eric Voit > Alexander Clemm > Alberto Gonzalez Prieto > Einar Nilsen-Nygaard > Ambika Prasad Tripathy > Filename : draft-ietf-netconf-subscribed-notifications-00.txt > Pages : 45 > Date : 2017-02-23 >=20 > Abstract: > This document defines capabilities and operations for subscribing to > content and providing asynchronous notification message delivery on > that content. Notification delivery can occur over a variety of > protocols used commonly in conjunction with YANG, such as NETCONF and > RESTCONF. The capabilities and operations defined in this document > when using in conjunction with draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event- > notifications are intended to obsolete RFC 5277. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netconf-subscribed-notificati= ons/ >=20 > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-subscribed-notifications-0= 0 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Netconf mailing list > Netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf From nobody Fri Feb 24 05:24:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D5C129421 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2017 00:31:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.203 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.203 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H7dl2l2Bm9L3 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2017 00:31:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76737129400 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2017 00:31:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 53D1CB81B18; Fri, 24 Feb 2017 00:31:33 -0800 (PST) To: mark.scott@ericsson.com, mbj@tail-f.com, bclaise@cisco.com, joelja@bogus.com, mjethanandani@gmail.com, mersue@gmail.com X-PHP-Originating-Script: 30:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Message-Id: <20170224083133.53D1CB81B18@rfc-editor.org> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2017 00:31:33 -0800 (PST) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 24 Feb 2017 05:24:27 -0800 Cc: text/plain@rfc-editor.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.orgContent-Type, netconf@ietf.org, charset=UTF-8@rfc-editor.org, Andreas.Walden@belden.com Subject: [Netconf] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC6022 (4950) X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2017 08:31:35 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC6022, "YANG Module for NETCONF Monitoring". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=6022&eid=4950 -------------------------------------- Type: Editorial Reported by: Andreas Walden Section: 4.2 (2,3) Original Text ------------- bar 2008-06-01 a. Via using identifer parameter: bar-types Corrected Text -------------- bar 2008-06-01 a. Via using identifier parameter: bar-types Notes ----- Instructions: ------------- This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC6022 (draft-ietf-netconf-monitoring-15) -------------------------------------- Title : YANG Module for NETCONF Monitoring Publication Date : October 2010 Author(s) : M. Scott, M. 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str=0001.0A0B0205.58B48F98.012B,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0; AE713 Archived-At: Subject: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF WG X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 20:44:14 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0142_01D29142.9F7FD630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear NETCONF WG, please find below the draft charter proposal the co-chairs have prepared for your review. Please send your comments to NETCONF maillist by March 10, 2017. Thanks, Mehmet & Mahesh Draft Charter for NETCONF WG Configuration of networks of devices has become a critical requirement for operators in today's highly interconnected networks. Large and small operators alike have developed their own mechanisms or have used vendor specific mechanisms to transfer configuration data to and from a device and to examine device state information which may impact the configuration. Each of these mechanisms may be different in various aspects, such as session establishment, user authentication, configuration data exchange, and error responses. The NETCONF protocol (RFC 6241) provides mechanisms to install, manipulate, and delete the configuration of network devices. NETCONF is based on the secure transport (SSH is mandatory to implement while TLS is an optional transport). The NETCONF protocol is data modeling language independent, but YANG (RFC 7950) is the recommended NETCONF modeling language, which introduces advanced language features for configuration management. NETCONF WG recently finalized the development of RESTCONF protocol (RFC 8040) which provides an interface over HTTPs for accessing data defined in YANG. RESTCONF is based on the capabilities and uses the datastore concepts defined in the NETCONF protocol specification. In support of RESTCONF the YANG-Patch (RFC XXYY) mechanism has been provided for applying patches to configuration datastores. The YANG Module Library (RFC 7895) provides information about all YANG modules used by a network management server. Last but not least NETCONF (RFC XXYY) and RESTCONF Call Home (RFC XXYY) have been developed which enable a server to initiate a secure connection to a NETCONF or RESTCONF client respectively. In the current phase of NETCONF's incremental development the workgroup will focus on following items: 1. Finalize the YANG data module for a system-level keystore mechanism, that can be used to hold onto asymmetric private keys and certificates that are trusted by the system advertising support for this module. Based on the known dependencies this draft has the highest priority for the WG. 2. Finalize Server and Client Configuration YANG modules for both NETCONF and RESTCONF as well as the Client and Server Models for SSH and TLS. 3. Finalize the Zero-touch provisioning for NETCONF or RESTCONF-based Management as a technique to establish a secure network management relationship between a newly delivered network device configured with just its factory default settings, and the Network Management System) 4. Provide a revised version of RFC 6536 (NETCONF Access Control Model) by adding support for RESTCONF and the YANG 1.1. constructs like "action" and the "notification" statements. 5. Provide a set of documents enabling advanced notification/subscription capabilities, which gracefully co-exist in a deployment of RFC 5277. The new capabilities include e.g. transport independence, multiple dynamic and configured subscriptions in a transport session. RFC 5277 will be obsoleted in parallel to the publication of the new document set. Following specifications will be addressed: * Protocol-neutral notification framework, i.e., explaining the concepts of subscriptions, filters, subscription state notifications, replay, etc. and defining the associated YANG data model, RPCs, etc. * Definition of notifications sent over NETCONF and how YANG notifications are encoded in XML and JSON. Include considerations for parallel support / implementation compatibility with RFC-5277. * Definition of notifications sent over RESTCONF and HTTP2 and how YANG notifications are encoded in XML and JSON. Include specifics of call-home and heartbeat for subscriptions. * The subscription and push mechanism for YANG datastores allowing subscriber applications to request updates from a YANG datastore. 6. Revise the current NETCONF datastore concept as a protocol- and modeling language-independent standard as part of the network configuration framework. Use the datastore solution proposal in draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores as its basis. Will be used as a normative reference in protocol specifications. 7. Provide a revision for the NETCONF and RESTCONF protocols building on the revised NETCONF datastore concept. Bug fixing will be done and potential extensions will be added. Provide guidance on how to adapt and use YANG with NETCONF and RESCONF protocols. NETCONF XML Encoding Rules from RFC 7950 will be moved to RFC6241bis. Based on the implementation, deployment experience and interoperability testing, the WG aims to produce a NETCONF status report in a later stage. The result may be clarifications for NETCONF RFCs and addressing any reported errata. Milestones Mar 2017 WGLC for Zero-touch configuration mechanism Apr 2017 Submit Zero-touch configuration to AD/IESG for consideration as Proposed Standard May 2017 WGLC for system-level keystore mechanism June 2017 Submit keystore mechanism to AD/IESG for consideration as Proposed Standard May 2017 WGLC for Server and Client models for NETCONF and RESTCONF June 2017 Submit Server and Client Configuration models to AD/IESG for consideration as Proposed Standard May 2017 WGLC for Client and Server Models for SSH and TLS June 2017 Submit Client and Server Models for SSH and TLS to AD/IESG for consideration as Proposed Standard June 2017 WGLC for RFC 6536bis (NETCONF Access Control Model) July 2017 Submit RFC 6536bis to AD/IESG for consideration as Proposed Standard June 2017 WGLC for advanced Notification/Subscription specifications July 2017 Submit Notification/Subscription specifications to AD/IESG for consideration as Proposed Standard Aug 2017 WGLC for generic NETCONF datastore concept Aug 2017 Submit NETCONF datastore concept to AD/IESG for consideration as Proposed Standard Sep 2017 WGLC for NETCONF and RESTCONF bis documents Oct 2017 Submit to NETCONF and RESTCONF bis documents AD/IESG for consideration as Proposed Standard ------=_NextPart_000_0142_01D29142.9F7FD630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear NETCONF = WG,

 

please find below the = draft charter proposal the co-chairs have prepared for your = review.

Please send your comments to NETCONF maillist by = March 10, 2017.

 

Thanks,

Mehmet & = Mahesh

Draft = Charter for NETCONF WG

Configuration of networks of devices has become a critical = requirement for operators in today's highly interconnected networks. = Large and small operators alike have developed their own mechanisms or = have used vendor specific mechanisms to transfer configuration data to = and from a device and to examine device state information which may = impact the configuration. Each of these mechanisms may be different in = various aspects, such as session establishment, user authentication, = configuration data exchange, and error = responses.

The = NETCONF protocol (RFC 6241) provides mechanisms to install, manipulate, = and delete the configuration of network devices. NETCONF is based on the = secure transport (SSH is mandatory to implement while TLS is an optional = transport). The NETCONF protocol is data modeling language independent, = but YANG (RFC 7950) is the recommended NETCONF modeling language, which = introduces advanced language features for configuration management. =

NETCONF = WG recently finalized the development of RESTCONF protocol (RFC 8040) = which provides an interface over HTTPs for accessing data defined in = YANG. RESTCONF is based on the capabilities and uses the datastore = concepts defined in the NETCONF protocol specification. In support of = RESTCONF the YANG-Patch (RFC XXYY) mechanism has been provided for = applying patches to configuration datastores. The YANG Module Library = (RFC 7895) provides information about all YANG modules used by a network = management server. 

Last but not least NETCONF (RFC XXYY) and RESTCONF Call = Home (RFC XXYY) have been developed which enable a server to initiate a = secure connection to a NETCONF or RESTCONF client respectively. =

 

In the = current phase of NETCONF's incremental development the workgroup will = focus on following items:

1. = Finalize the YANG data module for a system-level keystore mechanism, = that can be used to hold onto asymmetric private keys and certificates = that are trusted by the system advertising support for this module. = Based on the known dependencies this draft has the highest priority for = the WG.

2. = Finalize Server and Client Configuration YANG modules for both NETCONF = and RESTCONF as well as the Client and Server Models for SSH and TLS. =

3. = Finalize the Zero-touch provisioning for NETCONF or = RESTCONF-based Management as a technique to establish a secure network = management relationship between a newly delivered network device = configured with just its factory default settings, and the Network = Management System)

4. = Provide a revised version of RFC 6536 (NETCONF Access Control Model) by = adding support for RESTCONF and the YANG 1.1. constructs like = "action" and the "notification" statements. =

5. Provide a set of documents enabling advanced = notification/subscription capabilities, which gracefully co-exist in a = deployment of RFC 5277. The new capabilities include e.g. transport = independence, multiple dynamic and configured subscriptions in a = transport session. RFC 5277 will be obsoleted in parallel to the publication = of the new document set. Following specifications will be = addressed:

  • Protocol-neutral notification framework, i.e., = explaining the concepts of subscriptions, filters, subscription state = notifications, replay, etc. and defining the associated YANG data model, = RPCs, etc.
  • Definition of notifications sent over NETCONF and how = YANG notifications are encoded in XML and JSON. Include considerations = for parallel support / implementation compatibility with = RFC-5277.
  • Definition of notifications sent over RESTCONF and = HTTP2 and how YANG notifications are encoded in XML and JSON. Include = specifics of call-home and heartbeat for = subscriptions.
  • The subscription and push mechanism for YANG = datastores allowing subscriber applications to request updates from a = YANG datastore.

6. Revise = the current NETCONF datastore concept as a protocol- and modeling = language-independent standard as part of the network configuration = framework. Use the datastore solution proposal in = draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores as its basis. Will be used as a = normative reference in protocol specifications.

7. = Provide a revision for the NETCONF and RESTCONF protocols building on = the revised NETCONF datastore concept. Bug fixing will be done and = potential extensions will be added. Provide guidance on how to adapt and = use YANG with NETCONF and RESCONF protocols. NETCONF XML Encoding Rules = from RFC 7950 will be moved to RFC6241bis.

Based on = the implementation, deployment experience and interoperability testing, = the WG aims to produce a NETCONF status report in a later  stage. = The result may be clarifications for NETCONF RFCs and addressing any = reported errata.

Milestones

Mar = 2017         WGLC for Zero-touch = configuration mechanism

Apr = 2017         Submit Zero-touch = configuration to AD/IESG for consideration as Proposed Standard =

          = ; 

May = 2017        WGLC for system-level = keystore mechanism

June = 2017        Submit keystore mechanism = to AD/IESG for consideration as Proposed Standard =

          = ; 

May = 2017        WGLC for Server and = Client models for NETCONF and RESTCONF

June = 2017        Submit Server and Client = Configuration models to AD/IESG for consideration as Proposed Standard =

          = ; 

May = 2017        WGLC for Client and = Server Models for SSH and TLS

June = 2017        Submit Client and Server = Models for SSH and TLS to AD/IESG for consideration as Proposed Standard =

          = ; 

June = 2017        WGLC for RFC 6536bis = (NETCONF Access Control Model)

July = 2017         Submit RFC 6536bis = to AD/IESG for consideration as Proposed = Standard

          = ; 

June = 2017        WGLC for advanced = Notification/Subscription specifications

July = 2017         Submit = Notification/Subscription specifications to AD/IESG for consideration as = Proposed Standard

          = ; 

Aug = 2017         WGLC for generic = NETCONF datastore concept

Aug = 2017         Submit NETCONF = datastore concept to AD/IESG for consideration as Proposed = Standard

          = ; 

Sep = 2017          WGLC for = NETCONF and RESTCONF bis documents

Oct = 2017          Submit to = NETCONF and RESTCONF bis documents AD/IESG for consideration as Proposed = Standard

 

------=_NextPart_000_0142_01D29142.9F7FD630-- From nobody Mon Feb 27 14:14:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6062612940F for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:14:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HLQbkJnr1GxJ for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:14:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 480B01293E3 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:14:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F07113C5; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:14:32 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.205]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id EkTeciGKewcB; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:14:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:14:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.49]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87AC200DE; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:14:31 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xz5PLvOPHErC; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:14:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B6D200DB; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:14:31 +0100 (CET) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id A3F523E8B872; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:14:34 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:14:34 +0100 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Mehmet Ersue Message-ID: <20170227221434.GB68878@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Mehmet Ersue , 'Netconf' , 'Benoit Claise' References: <014101d2913a$3db72870$b9257950$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <014101d2913a$3db72870$b9257950$@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.0 (2016-04-01) Archived-At: Cc: 'Netconf' Subject: Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF WG X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 22:14:35 -0000 On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 09:44:06PM +0100, Mehmet Ersue wrote: > 6. Revise the current NETCONF datastore concept as a protocol- and modeling > language-independent standard as part of the network configuration > framework. Use the datastore solution proposal in > draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores as its basis. Will be used as a > normative reference in protocol specifications. There is no point in dupliating work in WGs that have a common history and a common set of active contributors. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Mon Feb 27 14:21:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EAEE1293E3 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:21:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.502 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.502 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11-z21DaOTW1 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:21:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.18.3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0335E1279EB for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:21:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25659 invoked by uid 0); 27 Feb 2017 22:21:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw2) (10.0.90.83) by gproxy2.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2017 22:21:48 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw2 with id pyMl1u00F2SSUrH01yMo4D; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 15:21:48 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=H5NInYoi c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=n2v9WMKugxEA:10 a=Alt3Qjv6C5bQUZSMUJMA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Iv/h7lF9LZE/iGqN5pxg7NR8CxLvCZKYCUoiIrfviW4=; b=TkIMeFcv7QGFBAQ07CcZwjimN7 Ekq/gyrSr7FsxNxIrHtb8LUWzYKG7bAi5nTu6rQ3ZjAY6MBiOE1qzV3tPQzGWe8ojku+66AQtI0K6 9q1EYgWAtCnQgJwb1sLEfWW2N; Received: from pool-100-15-85-191.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([100.15.85.191]:55852 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1ciTft-0005Ww-1S; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 15:21:45 -0700 To: Mehmet Ersue , 'Netconf' , 'Benoit Claise' References: <014101d2913a$3db72870$b9257950$@gmail.com> <20170227221434.GB68878@elstar.local> From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <1de19ae0-0373-f073-9151-885b7b9b9f92@labn.net> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 17:21:43 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170227221434.GB68878@elstar.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 100.15.85.191 X-Exim-ID: 1ciTft-0005Ww-1S X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-100-15-85-191.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([IPv6:::1]) [100.15.85.191]:55852 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 3 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF WG X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 22:21:51 -0000 On 2/27/2017 5:14 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 09:44:06PM +0100, Mehmet Ersue wrote: > >> 6. Revise the current NETCONF datastore concept as a protocol- and modeling >> language-independent standard as part of the network configuration >> framework. Use the datastore solution proposal in >> draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores as its basis. Will be used as a >> normative reference in protocol specifications. > There is no point in dupliating work in WGs that have a common history > and a common set of active contributors. I read 6 as covering any protocol specific implications of revised data stores, in which case it's (more) reasonable for this discussion/work/docs to be in NetConf. Lou > /js > From nobody Mon Feb 27 14:24:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8DAC129413 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:24:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mnzcW_SCQYrW for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:24:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A56161293FE for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 14:24:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 724DB140E; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:24:22 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.205]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id hPXtcGYTMWe2; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:24:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:24:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.46]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4C5200DE; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:24:22 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BAyHpUFpHRqv; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:24:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02E0200DB; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:24:21 +0100 (CET) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 7730F3E8B920; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:24:25 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:24:25 +0100 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Lou Berger Message-ID: <20170227222425.GD68878@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Lou Berger , Mehmet Ersue , 'Netconf' , 'Benoit Claise' References: <014101d2913a$3db72870$b9257950$@gmail.com> <20170227221434.GB68878@elstar.local> <1de19ae0-0373-f073-9151-885b7b9b9f92@labn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1de19ae0-0373-f073-9151-885b7b9b9f92@labn.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.0 (2016-04-01) Archived-At: Cc: 'Netconf' Subject: Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF WG X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 22:24:24 -0000 On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 05:21:43PM -0500, Lou Berger wrote: > > > On 2/27/2017 5:14 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 09:44:06PM +0100, Mehmet Ersue wrote: > > > >> 6. Revise the current NETCONF datastore concept as a protocol- and modeling > >> language-independent standard as part of the network configuration > >> framework. Use the datastore solution proposal in > >> draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores as its basis. Will be used as a > >> normative reference in protocol specifications. > > There is no point in dupliating work in WGs that have a common history > > and a common set of active contributors. > > I read 6 as covering any protocol specific implications of revised data > stores, in which case it's (more) reasonable for this > discussion/work/docs to be in NetConf. This is not my reading of this text. Obviously, the text needs clarification to make the intention clear. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Mon Feb 27 15:03:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA2B412944E for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 15:03:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.502 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.502 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g943gQwvvhaG for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 15:03:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy3-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy3-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.30.42]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 09118129448 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 15:03:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4371 invoked by uid 0); 27 Feb 2017 23:03:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw4) (10.0.90.85) by gproxy3.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2017 23:03:32 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw4 with id pz3V1u0042SSUrH01z3Y2h; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 16:03:32 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=GtPRpCFC c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=n2v9WMKugxEA:10 a=MGuAIL07mmmDgyJYIMAA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=9OHrt0TPKm+IvBsUuNo94lnEDfwRF7xx5IpwHmhcyX4=; b=w8kV+j6sDwYUWSnmnuFwfSCQXA g6ljHPsYdiTH9SY0NVCqPJbOOJir6Sq+uS1X29sNYShqB09ABlxkZJRqug4WXR6cB7eHAGAnFAiMn lzSL4NFOa8n4ED4HJ/LqgYvY2; Received: from pool-100-15-85-191.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([100.15.85.191]:57134 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1ciUKG-00047I-SZ; Mon, 27 Feb 2017 16:03:28 -0700 To: Mehmet Ersue , 'Netconf' , 'Benoit Claise' References: <014101d2913a$3db72870$b9257950$@gmail.com> <20170227221434.GB68878@elstar.local> <1de19ae0-0373-f073-9151-885b7b9b9f92@labn.net> <20170227222425.GD68878@elstar.local> From: Lou Berger Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 18:03:27 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170227222425.GD68878@elstar.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 100.15.85.191 X-Exim-ID: 1ciUKG-00047I-SZ X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-100-15-85-191.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([IPv6:::1]) [100.15.85.191]:57134 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 2 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF WG X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 23:03:38 -0000 On 2/27/2017 5:24 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 05:21:43PM -0500, Lou Berger wrote: >> >> On 2/27/2017 5:14 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: >>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 09:44:06PM +0100, Mehmet Ersue wrote: >>> >>>> 6. Revise the current NETCONF datastore concept as a protocol- and modeling >>>> language-independent standard as part of the network configuration >>>> framework. Use the datastore solution proposal in >>>> draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores as its basis. Will be used as a >>>> normative reference in protocol specifications. >>> There is no point in dupliating work in WGs that have a common history >>> and a common set of active contributors. >> I read 6 as covering any protocol specific implications of revised data >> stores, in which case it's (more) reasonable for this >> discussion/work/docs to be in NetConf. > This is not my reading of this text. Obviously, the text needs > clarification to make the intention clear. Fair enough -- I do agree that it work should not be duplicated across WGs. 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I think the rational approach would be to create 7950bis first, removing the NETCONF material into a separate I-D alongside 7950bis, and then merging that into 6241bis if it still seems sensible. Taking the 60+ bits and pieces out of 7950 is not too bad, what is left still makes sense. Creating a 6241bis that overlaps masses of bits and pieces of 7950 - well, chaos is my expectation. What use is an XML Example without the YANG that it is an example of and what sense does that YANG snippet make in isolation? Just how much do we put into 6241bis? Even updating 7950 I would expect to be resisted given how long it took to appear but for me, it is the only logical first step and not that difficult one, just tedious to proof-read. Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mehmet Ersue" To: "'Netconf'" ; "'Benoit Claise'" Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 8:44 PM > Dear NETCONF WG, > > > > please find below the draft charter proposal the co-chairs have prepared for > your review. > > Please send your comments to NETCONF maillist by March 10, 2017. > > > > Thanks, > > Mehmet & Mahesh > > Draft Charter for NETCONF WG > > Configuration of networks of devices has become a critical requirement for > operators in today's highly interconnected networks. Large and small > operators alike have developed their own mechanisms or have used vendor > specific mechanisms to transfer configuration data to and from a device and > to examine device state information which may impact the configuration. Each > of these mechanisms may be different in various aspects, such as session > establishment, user authentication, configuration data exchange, and error > responses. > > The NETCONF protocol (RFC 6241) provides mechanisms to install, manipulate, > and delete the configuration of network devices. NETCONF is based on the > secure transport (SSH is mandatory to implement while TLS is an optional > transport). The NETCONF protocol is data modeling language independent, but > YANG (RFC 7950) is the recommended NETCONF modeling language, which > introduces advanced language features for configuration management. > > NETCONF WG recently finalized the development of RESTCONF protocol (RFC > 8040) which provides an interface over HTTPs for accessing data defined in > YANG. RESTCONF is based on the capabilities and uses the datastore concepts > defined in the NETCONF protocol specification. In support of RESTCONF the > YANG-Patch (RFC XXYY) mechanism has been provided for applying patches to > configuration datastores. The YANG Module Library (RFC 7895) provides > information about all YANG modules used by a network management server. > > Last but not least NETCONF (RFC XXYY) and RESTCONF Call Home (RFC XXYY) have > been developed which enable a server to initiate a secure connection to a > NETCONF or RESTCONF client respectively. > > > > In the current phase of NETCONF's incremental development the workgroup will > focus on following items: > > 1. Finalize the YANG data module for a system-level keystore mechanism, that > can be used to hold onto asymmetric private keys and certificates that are > trusted by the system advertising support for this module. Based on the > known dependencies this draft has the highest priority for the WG. > > 2. Finalize Server and Client Configuration YANG modules for both NETCONF > and RESTCONF as well as the Client and Server Models for SSH and TLS. > > 3. Finalize the Zero-touch provisioning for NETCONF or RESTCONF-based > Management as a technique to establish a secure network management > relationship between a newly delivered network device configured with just > its factory default settings, and the Network Management System) > > 4. Provide a revised version of RFC 6536 (NETCONF Access Control Model) by > adding support for RESTCONF and the YANG 1.1. constructs like "action" and > the "notification" statements. > > 5. Provide a set of documents enabling advanced notification/subscription > capabilities, which gracefully co-exist in a deployment of RFC 5277. The new > capabilities include e.g. transport independence, multiple dynamic and > configured subscriptions in a transport session. RFC 5277 will be obsoleted > in parallel to the publication of the new document set. Following > specifications will be addressed: > > * Protocol-neutral notification framework, i.e., explaining the > concepts of subscriptions, filters, subscription state notifications, > replay, etc. and defining the associated YANG data model, RPCs, etc. > * Definition of notifications sent over NETCONF and how YANG > notifications are encoded in XML and JSON. Include considerations for > parallel support / implementation compatibility with RFC-5277. > * Definition of notifications sent over RESTCONF and HTTP2 and how > YANG notifications are encoded in XML and JSON. Include specifics of > call-home and heartbeat for subscriptions. > * The subscription and push mechanism for YANG datastores allowing > subscriber applications to request updates from a YANG datastore. > > 6. Revise the current NETCONF datastore concept as a protocol- and modeling > language-independent standard as part of the network configuration > framework. Use the datastore solution proposal in > draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores as its basis. Will be used as a > normative reference in protocol specifications. > > 7. Provide a revision for the NETCONF and RESTCONF protocols building on the > revised NETCONF datastore concept. Bug fixing will be done and potential > extensions will be added. Provide guidance on how to adapt and use YANG with > NETCONF and RESCONF protocols. NETCONF XML Encoding Rules from RFC 7950 will > be moved to RFC6241bis. > > Based on the implementation, deployment experience and interoperability > testing, the WG aims to produce a NETCONF status report in a later stage. > The result may be clarifications for NETCONF RFCs and addressing any > reported errata. > > Milestones > > Mar 2017 WGLC for Zero-touch configuration mechanism > > Apr 2017 Submit Zero-touch configuration to AD/IESG for > consideration as Proposed Standard > > > > May 2017 WGLC for system-level keystore mechanism > > June 2017 Submit keystore mechanism to AD/IESG for consideration as > Proposed Standard > > > > May 2017 WGLC for Server and Client models for NETCONF and RESTCONF > > June 2017 Submit Server and Client Configuration models to AD/IESG > for consideration as Proposed Standard > > > > May 2017 WGLC for Client and Server Models for SSH and TLS > > June 2017 Submit Client and Server Models for SSH and TLS to AD/IESG > for consideration as Proposed Standard > > > > June 2017 WGLC for RFC 6536bis (NETCONF Access Control Model) > > July 2017 Submit RFC 6536bis to AD/IESG for consideration as > Proposed Standard > > > > June 2017 WGLC for advanced Notification/Subscription specifications > > July 2017 Submit Notification/Subscription specifications to AD/IESG > for consideration as Proposed Standard > > > > Aug 2017 WGLC for generic NETCONF datastore concept > > Aug 2017 Submit NETCONF datastore concept to AD/IESG for > consideration as Proposed Standard > > > > Sep 2017 WGLC for NETCONF and RESTCONF bis documents > > Oct 2017 Submit to NETCONF and RESTCONF bis documents AD/IESG for > consideration as Proposed Standard > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- > _______________________________________________ > Netconf mailing list > Netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf > From nobody Tue Feb 28 05:37:43 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15393129553 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2017 05:37:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zYFOB62MpN_k for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2017 05:37:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from trail.lhotka.name (trail.lhotka.name [77.48.224.143]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 714921294B4 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2017 05:37:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [195.113.220.110]) by trail.lhotka.name (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 30E031820006; Tue, 28 Feb 2017 14:35:32 +0100 (CET) From: Ladislav Lhotka To: "t.petch" , Mehmet Ersue , 'Netconf' , 'Benoit Claise' In-Reply-To: <070e01d291ba$9bb8f4a0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> References: <014101d2913a$3db72870$b9257950$@gmail.com> <070e01d291ba$9bb8f4a0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 14:37:36 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF WG X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 13:37:42 -0000 "t.petch" writes: > 7 is the monster, likely to take years rather than months and I think > likely to create confusion, perhaps chaos. > > I think the rational approach would be to create 7950bis first, removing > the NETCONF material into a separate I-D alongside 7950bis, and then > merging that into 6241bis if it still seems sensible. Taking the 60+ > bits and pieces out of 7950 is not too bad, what is left still makes > sense. Right, we need to think hard about a sensible separation of concerns and remove, as much as possible, circular dependencies of NETCONF and NETMOD documents. > > Creating a 6241bis that overlaps masses of bits and pieces of 7950 - > well, chaos is my expectation. What use is an XML Example without the > YANG that it is an example of and what sense does that YANG snippet make > in isolation? Just how much do we put into 6241bis? Yes, I believe there is now no point to pretend that NETCONF is independent of YANG. In fact, some NETCONF operations are ill-defined without the additional YANG semantics such as list keys. > > Even updating 7950 I would expect to be resisted given how long it took > to appear but for me, it is the only logical first step and not that > difficult one, just tedious to proof-read. I agree. Lada > > Tom Petch > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mehmet Ersue" > To: "'Netconf'" ; "'Benoit Claise'" > > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 8:44 PM > >> Dear NETCONF WG, >> >> >> >> please find below the draft charter proposal the co-chairs have > prepared for >> your review. >> >> Please send your comments to NETCONF maillist by March 10, 2017. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mehmet & Mahesh >> >> Draft Charter for NETCONF WG >> >> Configuration of networks of devices has become a critical requirement > for >> operators in today's highly interconnected networks. Large and small >> operators alike have developed their own mechanisms or have used > vendor >> specific mechanisms to transfer configuration data to and from a > device and >> to examine device state information which may impact the > configuration. Each >> of these mechanisms may be different in various aspects, such as > session >> establishment, user authentication, configuration data exchange, and > error >> responses. >> >> The NETCONF protocol (RFC 6241) provides mechanisms to install, > manipulate, >> and delete the configuration of network devices. NETCONF is based on > the >> secure transport (SSH is mandatory to implement while TLS is an > optional >> transport). The NETCONF protocol is data modeling language > independent, but >> YANG (RFC 7950) is the recommended NETCONF modeling language, which >> introduces advanced language features for configuration management. >> >> NETCONF WG recently finalized the development of RESTCONF protocol > (RFC >> 8040) which provides an interface over HTTPs for accessing data > defined in >> YANG. RESTCONF is based on the capabilities and uses the datastore > concepts >> defined in the NETCONF protocol specification. In support of RESTCONF > the >> YANG-Patch (RFC XXYY) mechanism has been provided for applying patches > to >> configuration datastores. The YANG Module Library (RFC 7895) provides >> information about all YANG modules used by a network management > server. >> >> Last but not least NETCONF (RFC XXYY) and RESTCONF Call Home (RFC > XXYY) have >> been developed which enable a server to initiate a secure connection > to a >> NETCONF or RESTCONF client respectively. >> >> >> >> In the current phase of NETCONF's incremental development the > workgroup will >> focus on following items: >> >> 1. Finalize the YANG data module for a system-level keystore > mechanism, that >> can be used to hold onto asymmetric private keys and certificates that > are >> trusted by the system advertising support for this module. Based on > the >> known dependencies this draft has the highest priority for the WG. >> >> 2. Finalize Server and Client Configuration YANG modules for both > NETCONF >> and RESTCONF as well as the Client and Server Models for SSH and TLS. >> >> 3. Finalize the Zero-touch provisioning for NETCONF or RESTCONF-based >> Management as a technique to establish a secure network management >> relationship between a newly delivered network device configured with > just >> its factory default settings, and the Network Management System) >> >> 4. Provide a revised version of RFC 6536 (NETCONF Access Control > Model) by >> adding support for RESTCONF and the YANG 1.1. constructs like "action" > and >> the "notification" statements. >> >> 5. Provide a set of documents enabling advanced > notification/subscription >> capabilities, which gracefully co-exist in a deployment of RFC 5277. > The new >> capabilities include e.g. transport independence, multiple dynamic and >> configured subscriptions in a transport session. RFC 5277 will be > obsoleted >> in parallel to the publication of the new document set. Following >> specifications will be addressed: >> >> * Protocol-neutral notification framework, i.e., explaining the >> concepts of subscriptions, filters, subscription state notifications, >> replay, etc. and defining the associated YANG data model, RPCs, etc. >> * Definition of notifications sent over NETCONF and how YANG >> notifications are encoded in XML and JSON. Include considerations for >> parallel support / implementation compatibility with RFC-5277. >> * Definition of notifications sent over RESTCONF and HTTP2 and how >> YANG notifications are encoded in XML and JSON. Include specifics of >> call-home and heartbeat for subscriptions. >> * The subscription and push mechanism for YANG datastores allowing >> subscriber applications to request updates from a YANG datastore. >> >> 6. Revise the current NETCONF datastore concept as a protocol- and > modeling >> language-independent standard as part of the network configuration >> framework. Use the datastore solution proposal in >> draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores as its basis. Will be used as a >> normative reference in protocol specifications. >> >> 7. Provide a revision for the NETCONF and RESTCONF protocols building > on the >> revised NETCONF datastore concept. Bug fixing will be done and > potential >> extensions will be added. Provide guidance on how to adapt and use > YANG with >> NETCONF and RESCONF protocols. NETCONF XML Encoding Rules from RFC > 7950 will >> be moved to RFC6241bis. >> >> Based on the implementation, deployment experience and > interoperability >> testing, the WG aims to produce a NETCONF status report in a later > stage. >> The result may be clarifications for NETCONF RFCs and addressing any >> reported errata. >> >> Milestones >> >> Mar 2017 WGLC for Zero-touch configuration mechanism >> >> Apr 2017 Submit Zero-touch configuration to AD/IESG for >> consideration as Proposed Standard >> >> >> >> May 2017 WGLC for system-level keystore mechanism >> >> June 2017 Submit keystore mechanism to AD/IESG for > consideration as >> Proposed Standard >> >> >> >> May 2017 WGLC for Server and Client models for NETCONF and > RESTCONF >> >> June 2017 Submit Server and Client Configuration models to > AD/IESG >> for consideration as Proposed Standard >> >> >> >> May 2017 WGLC for Client and Server Models for SSH and TLS >> >> June 2017 Submit Client and Server Models for SSH and TLS to > AD/IESG >> for consideration as Proposed Standard >> >> >> >> June 2017 WGLC for RFC 6536bis (NETCONF Access Control Model) >> >> July 2017 Submit RFC 6536bis to AD/IESG for consideration as >> Proposed Standard >> >> >> >> June 2017 WGLC for advanced Notification/Subscription > specifications >> >> July 2017 Submit Notification/Subscription specifications to > AD/IESG >> for consideration as Proposed Standard >> >> >> >> Aug 2017 WGLC for generic NETCONF datastore concept >> >> Aug 2017 Submit NETCONF datastore concept to AD/IESG for >> consideration as Proposed Standard >> >> >> >> Sep 2017 WGLC for NETCONF and RESTCONF bis documents >> >> Oct 2017 Submit to NETCONF and RESTCONF bis documents AD/IESG > for >> consideration as Proposed Standard >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Netconf mailing list >> Netconf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf >> > > _______________________________________________ > Netconf mailing list > Netconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf -- Ladislav Lhotka, CZ.NIC Labs PGP Key ID: 0xB8F92B08A9F76C67 From nobody Tue Feb 28 09:02:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: netconf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8175129644 for ; 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Tue, 28 Feb 2017 17:44:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.165.154 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Feb 2017 17:44:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <014101d2913a$3db72870$b9257950$@gmail.com> From: Andy Bierman Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 17:44:36 -0800 Message-ID: To: Mehmet Ersue Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1142453c8643090549a1740f Archived-At: Cc: Netconf Subject: Re: [Netconf] Draft Charter Proposal for NETCONF WG X-BeenThere: netconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Configuration WG mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2017 01:44:40 -0000 --001a1142453c8643090549a1740f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Andy Bierman wrote: > .... >> >> Sep 2017 WGLC for NETCONF and RESTCONF bis documents >> >> Oct 2017 Submit to NETCONF and RESTCONF bis documents AD/IESG >> for consideration as Proposed Standard >> >> >> >> > > > I am opposed to creating new versions of NETCONF or RESTCONF at this time. > I do not see anything in the charter that cannot be defined in RFCs that > update (not obsolete) > the existing protocols. Both are designed to allow new functionality to be > added and advertised as capabilities. > > I should clarify this comment. NETCONF was last published in June 2011 so it is not unreasonable to do a new version. But all protocol features should be on the table. There is a list (in case you have an important feature to add to the list) https://github.com/netconf-wg/rfc6241bis/issues If the scope is just support for revised datastores, then than can go in its own RFC. If the scope is applying the lessons we have learned since June 2011 to make NETCONF much better, then 6241bis is appropriate. RESTCONF was published a month ago so a new version should not be in scope. > Andy > > Andy > _______________________________________________ >> Netconf mailing list >> Netconf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf >> >> > --001a1142453c8643090549a1740f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com= > wrote:
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Oct 2017=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 Submit to NETCONF and RESTCONF bis documents AD/IESG for consideration = as Proposed Standard

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I am opposed = to creating new versions of NETCONF or RESTCONF at this time.
I d= o not see anything in the charter that cannot be defined in RFCs that updat= e (not obsolete)
the existing protocols.=C2=A0 Both are designed = to allow new functionality to be
added and advertised as capabili= ties.


I should clarify this comment.
NETCONF was last published in Ju= ne 2011 so it is not unreasonable to
do a new version.=C2=A0 But = all protocol features should be on the table.
There is a list (in= case you have an important feature to add to the list)


If the = scope is just support for revised datastores, then than can go in its own R= FC.
If the scope is applying the lessons we have learned since Ju= ne 2011 to make
NETCONF much better, then 6241bis is appropriate.=

RESTCONF was published a month ago so a new versi= on should not be in scope.

=C2=A0
Andy


Andy
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