From internet-drafts@ietf.org Sun Jul 8 12:41:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B1D21F8661; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 12:41:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.578 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.578 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bdm5h9rvyJyu; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 12:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1AB21F865D; Sun, 8 Jul 2012 12:41:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.30p2 Message-ID: <20120708194131.19596.76821.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2012 12:41:31 -0700 Cc: payload@ietf.org Subject: [payload] I-D Action: draft-ietf-payload-rtp-sbc-03.txt X-BeenThere: payload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Payloads working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2012 19:41:34 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Payloads Working Gr= oup of the IETF. Title : RTP Payload Format for Bluetooth's SBC Audio Codec Author(s) : Christian Hoene Frans de Bont Filename : draft-ietf-payload-rtp-sbc-03.txt Pages : 23 Date : 2012-07-08 Abstract: This document specifies a Real-time Transport Protocol (RTP) payload format to be used for the low complexity subband codec (SBC), which is the mandatory audio codec of the Advanced Audio Distribution Profile (A2DP) Specification written by the Bluetooth(r) Special Interest Group (SIG). The payload format is designed to be able to interoperate with existing Bluetooth A2DP devices, to provide high streaming audio quality, interactive audio transmission over the internet, and ultra-low delay coding for jam sessions on the internet. This document contains also a media type registration which specifies the use of the RTP payload format. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-payload-rtp-sbc There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-payload-rtp-sbc-03 A diff from previous version is available at: http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-payload-rtp-sbc-03 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From internet-drafts@ietf.org Tue Jul 10 04:59:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF6421F86A5; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 04:59:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uMHsmGarAkvd; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 04:59:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8BC221F86B0; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 04:59:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.30p3 Message-ID: <20120710115906.10198.19143.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 04:59:06 -0700 Cc: payload@ietf.org Subject: [payload] I-D Action: draft-ietf-payload-rtp-howto-02.txt X-BeenThere: payload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Payloads working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 11:59:07 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Payloads Working Gr= oup of the IETF. Title : How to Write an RTP Payload Format Author(s) : Magnus Westerlund Filename : draft-ietf-payload-rtp-howto-02.txt Pages : 58 Date : 2012-07-10 Abstract: This document contains information on how to best write an RTP payload format. It provides reading tips, design practices, and practical tips on how to produce an RTP payload format specification quickly and with good results. A template is also included with instructions that can be used when writing an RTP payload format. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-payload-rtp-howto There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-payload-rtp-howto-02 A diff from previous version is available at: http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-payload-rtp-howto-02 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com Tue Jul 10 05:08:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E483E21F85AA for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 05:08:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.206 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.206 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.043, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wXZslL6p6Zc6 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 05:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw2.ericsson.se (mailgw2.ericsson.se [193.180.251.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D4C21F870B for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 05:08:52 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb25-b7fb66d000003bb6-b7-4ffc1b6fa9e3 Received: from esessmw0247.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw2.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 81.AC.15286.F6B1CFF4; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:09:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (153.88.115.8) by esessmw0247.eemea.ericsson.se (153.88.115.94) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.3.264.0; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:09:19 +0200 Message-ID: <4FFC1B6E.3060600@ericsson.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:09:18 +0200 From: Magnus Westerlund User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "payload@ietf.org" X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFnrDJMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+JvrW6+9B9/g8PTJSwuXTzL5MDosWTJ T6YAxigum5TUnMyy1CJ9uwSujEsP8wre8VS83XGUtYHxIFcXIyeHhICJxKYTLcwQtpjEhXvr 2boYuTiEBE4xSsye/YQVwlnOKNG04Tg7SBWvgLbEwsc/wGwWAVWJ/sZWFhCbTcBC4uaPRjYQ W1QgWGLa9HtQ9YISJ2c+Aarh4BAR0JR49F0IxBQWMJN4uF8EYq+kxL321WCdzAJ6ElOutjBC 2PISzVtng90mBLS1oamDdQIj/ywkQ2chaZmFpGUBI/MqRuHcxMyc9HIjvdSizOTi4vw8veLU TYzAEDu45bfqDsY750QOMUpzsCiJ81pv3eMvJJCeWJKanZpakFoUX1Sak1p8iJGJg1OqgVHs TY2rmUO6S/ST2rK+umeLH0VfX7jNS/fAhykxC5y2f3171nIDm0FGw+xPMtGsi79M73jU6b/3 1Ic+2Y7LG/7Lpv/gXDL1krL2fFvV3PNngle6LfbhbZ3Bv6NMaf+9blM+Hd+zi0z02naeDraa d+lX5c2WcPaK8CzGpt3Z7yY6RTGtf1jPoafEUpyRaKjFXFScCABAUHFa/wEAAA== Subject: [payload] Submission of draft-ietf-payload-rtp-howto-02 X-BeenThere: payload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Payloads working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:08:54 -0000 Hi, I have finally gotten around to update this draft. Sorry, should have kept it alive. This version does contain a number of changes. - The RFC series multiple streams and the new IETF two maturity levels are commented. - More RTP transport robustness tools, mostly FEC have been added. - Added reference to the Options for Security RTP Sessions and updated the security consideration in the template to refer to this to try to resolve the relation with SRTP not mandatory. - Moved motivation why registration of media types are good from Other SDO section to general Media Type section. - A number of small clarifications or corrections of statements already present. - A number of editorial changes. - Added the security concern with variable bit-rate (RFC 6562) - Added a discussion of Application media types payload formats As soon as we have gotten go-ahead from the Security ADs on that the Options for RTP security (AVTCORE), the text in this draft and the update of SRTP not-mandatory (AVTCORE) is what they expect I would recommend that we go forward towards publication whit the RTP payload HOWTO. Before even more changes ;-). Cheers Magnus Westerlund ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 10 7148287 Färögatan 6 | Mobile +46 73 0949079 SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden| mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From frans.de.bont@philips.com Tue Jul 10 23:40:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F72A11E80D1 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 23:40:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iuM0gUMQYEXW for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 23:40:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from va3outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (va3ehsobe001.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.11]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8DE511E80BC for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 23:39:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail146-va3-R.bigfish.com (10.7.14.254) by VA3EHSOBE010.bigfish.com (10.7.40.12) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 06:38:07 +0000 Received: from mail146-va3 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail146-va3-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B062C007D for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 06:38:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.55.7.222; KIP:(null); UIP:(null); IPV:NLI; H:mail.philips.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI X-SpamScore: -46 X-BigFish: VPS-46(zz217bL98dI15d6O9251J936eI542M1432I179cMzz1202hzz1033IL8275dhz2dh2a8h668h839h944hd25hf0ah107ah) Received: from mail146-va3 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail146-va3 (MessageSwitch) id 1341988686200558_32185; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 06:38:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VA3EHSMHS023.bigfish.com (unknown [10.7.14.243]) by mail146-va3.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248AF48016E for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 06:38:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.philips.com (157.55.7.222) by VA3EHSMHS023.bigfish.com (10.7.99.33) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 06:38:06 +0000 Received: from 011-DB3MMR1-016.MGDPHG.emi.philips.com (10.128.28.100) by 011-DB3MMR1-001.MGDPHG.emi.philips.com (10.128.28.51) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.355.3; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:40:04 +0100 Received: from 011-DB3MPN1-011.MGDPHG.emi.philips.com ([169.254.1.25]) by 011-DB3MMR1-016.MGDPHG.emi.philips.com ([10.128.28.100]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.003; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:40:04 +0100 From: "Bont, Frans de" To: "payload@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [payload] I-D Action: draft-ietf-payload-rtp-sbc-03.txt Thread-Index: AQHNXUHUkTb6QRnBmEq8BRfEMeEAlJcjolVw Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 06:40:04 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20120708194131.19596.76821.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20120708194131.19596.76821.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US, nl-NL Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [194.171.252.100] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: philips.com Subject: Re: [payload] I-D Action: draft-ietf-payload-rtp-sbc-03.txt X-BeenThere: payload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Payloads working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 06:40:00 -0000 Hi, In this version we have removed the sections which were mainly a duplicatio= n of the Bluetooth A2DP specification. This was in response to the only comment we received on the -02 version. On 5 Jan 2012, at 0:47, Colin Perkins wrote: > The only outstanding issue I have is that there's a lot of duplication wi= th the RTP payload format definition in Bluetooth A2DP specification. Can t= his be removed, and done by reference, to avoid the risk of accidental chan= ges? We think this draft is now ready for WGLC. Best regards, Frans > -----Original Message----- > From: payload-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:payload-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Sunday 8 July 2012 21:42 > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: payload@ietf.org > Subject: [payload] I-D Action: draft-ietf-payload-rtp-sbc-03.txt > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Payloads Working > Group of the IETF. > > Title : RTP Payload Format for Bluetooth's SBC Audio Code= c > Author(s) : Christian Hoene > Frans de Bont > Filename : draft-ietf-payload-rtp-sbc-03.txt > Pages : 23 > Date : 2012-07-08 > > Abstract: > This document specifies a Real-time Transport Protocol (RTP) payload > format to be used for the low complexity subband codec (SBC), which > is the mandatory audio codec of the Advanced Audio Distribution > Profile (A2DP) Specification written by the Bluetooth(r) Special > Interest Group (SIG). The payload format is designed to be able to > interoperate with existing Bluetooth A2DP devices, to provide high > streaming audio quality, interactive audio transmission over the > internet, and ultra-low delay coding for jam sessions on the > internet. This document contains also a media type registration > which specifies the use of the RTP payload format. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-payload-rtp-sbc > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-payload-rtp-sbc-03 > > A diff from previous version is available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-payload-rtp-sbc-03 > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > payload mailing list > payload@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/payload ________________________________ The information contained in this message may be confidential and legally p= rotected under applicable law. The message is intended solely for the addre= ssee(s). 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From Even.roni@huawei.com Mon Jul 30 11:49:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5320911E8130; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:49:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 50WZala3JuOc; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A023E11E8111; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.9.243 (EHLO dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.9.243]) by dfwrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.2.3-GA FastPath) with ESMTP id AIM02872; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DFWEML408-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.134) by dfweml201-edg.china.huawei.com (172.18.9.107) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:46:15 -0700 Received: from SZXEML420-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.159) by dfweml408-hub.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.134) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.323.3; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:46:16 -0700 Received: from SZXEML536-MBX.china.huawei.com ([10.82.67.115]) by szxeml420-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.82.67.159]) with mapi id 14.01.0323.003; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 02:45:59 +0800 From: Roni even To: "avt@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Need volunteers for the NomCom Thread-Index: AQHNbnHLz44QxMxFHUqja0jn/qX+GJdCKiDR Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:45:59 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20120730032233.17770.35790.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20120730032233.17770.35790.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.24.1.45] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Cc: "payload@ietf.org" Subject: [payload] FW: Need volunteers for the NomCom X-BeenThere: payload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Payloads working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:49:27 -0000 ________________________________________ From: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org [wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] on behalf of No= mCom Chair [nomcom-chair@ietf.org] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 6:22 To: Working Group Chairs Subject: Need volunteers for the NomCom We are currently looking for volunteers to serve on the 2012-2013 NomCom. As you know, the success of the NomCom process depends crucially on having a large pool of volunteers from throughout the IETF community. In particular, it is valuable for the pool of volunteers to have strong representation from all of the technical areas within the IETF. I understand that not all IETF participants read the IETF announce list frequently. Therefore, if you would be willing to inform active participant= s in your working groups about this year's call for NomCom volunteers, I would greatly appreciate it. The NomCom 2012-2013 Call for Volunteers is open until this Sunday, August 5. Details can be found at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ann/nomcom/= 49851/ Thank you for your help, - Matt Lepinski mlepinski.ietf@gmail.com nomcom-chair@ietf.org=