From glenzorn@gmail.com Thu Aug 9 23:47:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A947B11E80FF for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 23:47:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.346 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.346 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.252, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QdaiQ7sMIjMi for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 23:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com (mail-pb0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923AC21F856D for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 23:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pbbrr4 with SMTP id rr4so2226052pbb.31 for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 23:47:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:organization :date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=5CRBtwWsrzZHKoDbm+uY4FBDIwaGkoEIXcCW8uINZXY=; b=NH9kkn0oER/5RPOaBH73rTW2xCAOFu3xpS1W5Z/geBvcMdfOYPSIZU9mRwR1xyCkXm QQDO7BJ0Q0KGuZWnuM9tTaGFVI8y6hQG8PI+Dlx9oVvjodjS2CPZAUIOt2PWr5ugN/06 bfnNZe+Ayz3D3+XucM2UlrZKJWqbfCcZ0JhPHyJ3Y6Rq6xfO9KIODSYE7+kg3QkIQfkS NDVwPT6lH5BnPd7hvGcUyaJZBNfGyxKS2CNLFdjy4/2RW+loEW7qTz8XOKyYxAStxOIS 1VW4n16nzwwjGon68+75Hcv3oehtylHXm+fTX3Ej4DI7oGYGQuYCFvWOxbwimGaNCEyo KB6g== Received: by 10.68.232.103 with SMTP id tn7mr10035966pbc.86.1344581270124; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 23:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (ppp-124-122-250-210.revip2.asianet.co.th. [124.122.250.210]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id kc7sm2752984pbb.5.2012.08.09.23.47.47 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 09 Aug 2012 23:47:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Glen Zorn To: payload-chairs@tools.ietf.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-o6oitK+MR+juhZ4e1+GW" Organization: Network Zen Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:47:45 +0700 Message-ID: <1344581265.4635.5.camel@gwz-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.3 (2.32.3-1.fc14) Cc: payload@ietf.org Subject: Re: [payload] I-D Action: draft-ietf-payload-rtp-g718-02.txt X-BeenThere: payload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Payloads working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 06:47:51 -0000 --=-o6oitK+MR+juhZ4e1+GW Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 2012-05-08 at 12:50 +0000, Stephan Wenger wrote: > There was a bit of email back-and-forth, as well as hallway discussions > here in Geneva. It appears that there will not be an updated version of > G.718 at this meeting. Further, the impact of the unfinished ITU work > (floating point implementation) to the RTP payload spec seems minimal. As > the next ITU-T SG16 meeting is many months away, I would now suggest that > it's ok to move forward with the IETF's approval and publication process. > Stephan It's been almost 3 months; could we do something? > > > On 5.7.2012 14:45 , "Stephan Wenger" wrote: > > >SG16 is meeting this week. Wait one more week, and you will know whether > >the ITU spec advances now. > >Stephan > > > > > >On 5.7.2012 14:41 , "Glen Zorn" wrote: > > > >>On 05/07/2012 07:36 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > >>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > >>>directories. This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport > >>>Payloads Working Group of the IETF. > >>> > >>> Title : RTP Payload Format for G.718 Speech/Audio > >>> Author(s) : Glen Zorn > >>> Ye-Kui Wang > >>> Ari Lakaniemi > >>> Filename : draft-ietf-payload-rtp-g718-02.txt > >>> Pages : 27 > >>> Date : 2012-05-07 > >>> > >>> This document specifies the Real-Time Transport Protocol (RTP) > >>> payload format for the Embedded Variable Bit-Rate (EV-VBR) speech/ > >>> audio codec, specified in ITU-T G.718. A media type registration > >>>for > >>> this RTP payload format is also included. > >> > >>This document has been on hold waiting input from ITU-T re: G.7018B for > >>quite some time now. I suggest that we just take it to WGLC & publish > >>w/o waiting any more. Opinions? > >>_______________________________________________ > >>payload mailing list > >>payload@ietf.org > >>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/payload > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >payload mailing list > >payload@ietf.org > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/payload > > > > > _______________________________________________ > payload mailing list > payload@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/payload --=-o6oitK+MR+juhZ4e1+GW Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 2012-05-08 at 12:50 +0000, Stephan Wenger wrote: 
There was a bit of email back-and-forth, as well as hallway discussions
here in Geneva.  It appears that there will not be an updated version of
G.718 at this meeting.  Further, the impact of the unfinished ITU work
(floating point implementation) to the RTP payload spec seems minimal.  As
the next ITU-T SG16 meeting is many months away, I would now suggest that
it's ok to move forward with the IETF's approval and publication process.
Stephan

It's been almost 3 months; could we do something?



On 5.7.2012 14:45 , "Stephan Wenger" <stewe@stewe.org> wrote:

>SG16 is meeting this week.  Wait one more week, and you will know whether
>the ITU spec advances now.
>Stephan
>
>
>On 5.7.2012 14:41 , "Glen Zorn" <glenzorn@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 05/07/2012 07:36 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>>>directories. This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport
>>>Payloads Working Group of the IETF.
>>>
>>> 	Title           : RTP Payload Format for G.718 Speech/Audio
>>> 	Author(s)       : Glen Zorn
>>>                            Ye-Kui Wang
>>>                            Ari Lakaniemi
>>> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-payload-rtp-g718-02.txt
>>> 	Pages           : 27
>>> 	Date            : 2012-05-07
>>>
>>>     This document specifies the Real-Time Transport Protocol (RTP)
>>>     payload format for the Embedded Variable Bit-Rate (EV-VBR) speech/
>>>     audio codec, specified in ITU-T G.718.  A media type registration
>>>for
>>>     this RTP payload format is also included.
>>
>>This document has been on hold waiting input from ITU-T re: G.7018B for
>>quite some time now.  I suggest that we just take it to WGLC & publish
>>w/o waiting any more.  Opinions?
>>_______________________________________________
>>payload mailing list
>>payload@ietf.org
>>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/payload
>>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>payload mailing list
>payload@ietf.org
>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/payload
>


_______________________________________________
payload mailing list
payload@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/payload

--=-o6oitK+MR+juhZ4e1+GW-- From internet-drafts@ietf.org Wed Aug 15 23:20:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2065321F84D3; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 23:20:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.144, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mv9NXIP0vFgn; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 23:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8774121F84D4; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 23:20:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.33 Message-ID: <20120816062038.12396.6896.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 23:20:38 -0700 Cc: payload@ietf.org Subject: [payload] I-D Action: draft-ietf-payload-rtp-g718-03.txt X-BeenThere: payload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Payloads working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 06:20:39 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Payloads Working Gr= oup of the IETF. Title : RTP Payload Format for G.718 Speech/Audio Author(s) : Glen Zorn Ye-Kui Wang Ari Lakaniemi Filename : draft-ietf-payload-rtp-g718-03.txt Pages : 27 Date : 2012-08-15 Abstract: This document specifies the Real-Time Transport Protocol (RTP) payload format for the Embedded Variable Bit-Rate (EV-VBR) speech/ audio codec, specified in ITU-T G.718. A media type registration for this RTP payload format is also included. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-payload-rtp-g718 There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-payload-rtp-g718-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-payload-rtp-g718-03 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From internet-drafts@ietf.org Wed Aug 22 15:37:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 404F421F8683; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:37:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9uhqkG9UbzFF; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA25121F8670; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:37:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.34 Message-ID: <20120822223733.17670.80639.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:37:33 -0700 Cc: payload@ietf.org Subject: [payload] I-D Action: draft-ietf-avt-rtp-evrc-nw-07.txt X-BeenThere: payload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Payloads working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:37:34 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Payloads Working Gr= oup of the IETF. Title : RTP payload format for Enhanced Variable Rate Narrowband= -Wideband Codec (EVRC-NW) Author(s) : Zheng Fang Filename : draft-ietf-avt-rtp-evrc-nw-07.txt Pages : 32 Date : 2012-08-22 Abstract: This document specifies real-time transport protocol (RTP) payload formats to be used for the Enhanced Variable Rate Narrowband-Wideband Codec (EVRC-NW). Three media type registrations are included for EVRC-NW RTP payload formats. In addition, a file format is specified for transport of EVRC-NW speech data in storage mode applications such as e-mail. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-avt-rtp-evrc-nw There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-avt-rtp-evrc-nw-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-avt-rtp-evrc-nw-07 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From zfang@qualcomm.com Wed Aug 22 15:39:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 542E321F8673 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:39:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qCjsxjFjBSNv for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:39:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine02.qualcomm.com (wolverine02.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.251]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99AC121F8569 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:39:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1345675186; x=1377211186; h=from:to:cc:subject:thread-topic:thread-index:date: message-id:references:in-reply-to:accept-language: content-language:x-ms-has-attach:x-ms-tnef-correlator: x-originating-ip:content-type:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=cdh4mN8emtbcyy6HZNhBeQH52M2StR03/N4ymrrkj0o=; b=Cw9tLbMwC8UPSWcaeS7o25Haufa7mLzkR2epC4IOhEB6Qs+TMW2geSVO L9gPJmklw4t50o55LspJozBeSCnQxNcjCy3Uplh3U0x0P07OTNLpVbRys kIvD2qmKe/lVBOqPoAn3KuxRhk8bCu9/6/OIsiQcZqRPn9DtFxaXJmGHr 8=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6812"; a="226079264" Received: from ironmsg04-l.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.19]) by wolverine02.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 22 Aug 2012 15:39:46 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.80,296,1344236400"; d="scan'208";a="287333278" Received: from nasanexhc04.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.17]) by Ironmsg04-L.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 22 Aug 2012 15:39:46 -0700 Received: from NASANEXD01A.na.qualcomm.com ([169.254.1.176]) by nasanexhc04.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.17]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.001; Wed, 22 Aug 2012 15:39:44 -0700 From: "Fang, Zheng" To: "payload@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [payload] I-D Action: draft-ietf-avt-rtp-evrc-nw-07.txt Thread-Index: AQHNgLa6vWCmRR4ZIECmGLbjP9GS75dmbDjA Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:39:44 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20120822223733.17670.80639.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20120822223733.17670.80639.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.30.48.1] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "Sinder, Dan" Subject: Re: [payload] I-D Action: draft-ietf-avt-rtp-evrc-nw-07.txt X-BeenThere: payload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Payloads working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 22:39:46 -0000 Hi everyone, This version (-07) is no different than the previous -06 version, just a re= -submission to keep it alive. Thanks, Zheng -----Original Message----- From: payload-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:payload-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = Of internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 3:38 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: payload@ietf.org Subject: [payload] I-D Action: draft-ietf-avt-rtp-evrc-nw-07.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Payloads Working Gr= oup of the IETF. Title : RTP payload format for Enhanced Variable Rate Narrowband= -Wideband Codec (EVRC-NW) Author(s) : Zheng Fang Filename : draft-ietf-avt-rtp-evrc-nw-07.txt Pages : 32 Date : 2012-08-22 Abstract: This document specifies real-time transport protocol (RTP) payload formats to be used for the Enhanced Variable Rate Narrowband-Wideband Codec (EVRC-NW). Three media type registrations are included for EVRC-NW RTP payload formats. In addition, a file format is specified for transport of EVRC-NW speech data in storage mode applications such as e-mail. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-avt-rtp-evrc-nw There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-avt-rtp-evrc-nw-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-avt-rtp-evrc-nw-07 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ payload mailing list payload@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/payload From internet-drafts@ietf.org Fri Aug 31 09:59:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B78021F8647; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 09:59:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.546 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.546 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.053, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id roElReOwvI8V; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 09:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C935A21F8625; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 09:59:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.34 Message-ID: <20120831165913.7677.31724.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 09:59:13 -0700 Cc: payload@ietf.org Subject: [payload] I-D Action: draft-ietf-payload-vp8-05.txt X-BeenThere: payload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Payloads working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:59:14 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Payloads Working Gr= oup of the IETF. Title : RTP Payload Format for VP8 Video Author(s) : Patrik Westin Henrik F Lundin Michael Glover Justin Uberti Frank Galligan Filename : draft-ietf-payload-vp8-05.txt Pages : 29 Date : 2012-08-31 Abstract: This memo describes an RTP payload format for the VP8 video codec. The payload format has wide applicability, as it supports applications from low bit-rate peer-to-peer usage, to high bit-rate video conferences. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-payload-vp8 There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-payload-vp8-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-payload-vp8-05 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From stewe@stewe.org Fri Aug 31 12:12:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: payload@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9819121F8578 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 12:12:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.206 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.206 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.393, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pdZvCTobnhYL for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 12:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tx2outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (tx2ehsobe001.messaging.microsoft.com [65.55.88.11]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4E1321F8577 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 12:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail155-tx2-R.bigfish.com (10.9.14.236) by TX2EHSOBE009.bigfish.com (10.9.40.29) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 19:12:17 +0000 Received: from mail155-tx2 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail155-tx2-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D3AA200100 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 19:12:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.240.133; KIP:(null); UIP:(null); IPV:NLI; H:BL2PRD0710HT001.namprd07.prod.outlook.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI X-SpamScore: -20 X-BigFish: PS-20(zz98dI936eI1432Izz1202h1082kzz1033IL8275dhz2fh2a8h668h839h944he5bhf0ah107ah1220h1155h) Received-SPF: pass (mail155-tx2: domain of stewe.org designates 157.56.240.133 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.240.133; envelope-from=stewe@stewe.org; helo=BL2PRD0710HT001.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ; .outlook.com ; Received: from mail155-tx2 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail155-tx2 (MessageSwitch) id 1346440335499827_6140; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 19:12:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TX2EHSMHS011.bigfish.com (unknown [10.9.14.237]) by mail155-tx2.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D6ED40049 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 19:12:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BL2PRD0710HT001.namprd07.prod.outlook.com (157.56.240.133) by TX2EHSMHS011.bigfish.com (10.9.99.111) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 19:12:11 +0000 Received: from BL2PRD0710MB349.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.1.168]) by BL2PRD0710HT001.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([10.255.102.36]) with mapi id 14.16.0190.008; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 19:12:07 +0000 From: Stephan Wenger To: "payload@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [payload] I-D Action: draft-ietf-payload-vp8-05.txt Thread-Index: AQHNh5n4aPWx5aqqxkyI2IqdGqqhVpdz1HYA Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 19:12:07 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20120831165913.7677.31724.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.102.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: stewe.org Subject: Re: [payload] I-D Action: draft-ietf-payload-vp8-05.txt X-BeenThere: payload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Payloads working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 19:12:18 -0000 Hi, I had a quick look at the diff file only. I think the introduction of the two new (optional) parameters max_fs and max_fr address the concerns I raised earlier. I hope implementers will read 6.2.2 carefully and understand that "optional" really meant "conditionally mandatory" :-) The one substantial thing that needs further discussion (though not necessarily a change in the draft, IMO), is Sandy's idea of including a parameter for signaling the maximum number of coefficient partitions--something that apparently may be useful for multi-threaded decoders. You google guys may want to comment on his idea. A small nit for section 6.2.2: the final sentence of the section starts with "In *many* practical applications, the max frame size and max frame rate are known from other information; [...]". I personally don't believe that the word "many" is justified, and it may even be misleading. I would claim that in the vast majority of video-over-RTP implementations, there is no pre-arranged knowledge of decoder capabilities before the negotiation. I don't see why VP8 is different here. I believe that not even in the webrtc case (which is, AFAIK, the main customer for this payload format) there is pre-arranged knowledge of receiver capabilities. So perhaps it's better to replace "many applications" with "some applications".=20 Regards, Stephan On 8.31.2012 09:59 , "internet-drafts@ietf.org" wrote: > >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >directories. > This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Payloads Working >Group of the IETF. > > Title : RTP Payload Format for VP8 Video > Author(s) : Patrik Westin > Henrik F Lundin > Michael Glover > Justin Uberti > Frank Galligan > Filename : draft-ietf-payload-vp8-05.txt > Pages : 29 > Date : 2012-08-31 > >Abstract: > This memo describes an RTP payload format for the VP8 video codec. > The payload format has wide applicability, as it supports > applications from low bit-rate peer-to-peer usage, to high bit-rate > video conferences. > > >The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-payload-vp8 > >There's also a htmlized version available at: >http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-payload-vp8-05 > >A diff from the previous version is available at: >http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-payload-vp8-05 > > >Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > >_______________________________________________ >payload mailing list >payload@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/payload >