From nobody Mon Jan 2 20:54:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 563451293DA for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2017 20:54:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S-vh_OY-LxzH for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2017 20:54:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext8.iad.github.net [192.30.252.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7BC212007C for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2017 20:54:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2017 20:54:30 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1483419270; bh=3O5idIsFaFPXDMsm1uHwIG7OoKcHYfoXu1AoSLncCU0=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Vi4jAN+l0rEeWxs0K2wBcwZnbigfVZEnLVfgLxxYnS64pbGy1Fsw7wCyZ/UrsbGaS 01xa6OwlppR8EucLOdcE/kBORykqP1f2yGFznh1nEznFuRW7/lUVoBQLZBlOzHLlVx ONNjLKcMrkQ+l+u3iQWrfK0oTsj1YcfDfadO2SOs= From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (#105) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_586b2e8695baf_6953ff459857130582b4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 04:54:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_586b2e8695baf_6953ff459857130582b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > -The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the encrypted payload of -the resulting UDP datagram. All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the -path's MTU to avoid IP fragmentation. The recommended default maximum packet -size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. To optimize better, -endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting -the maximum packet size appropriately. +The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload, +including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields. +All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP +fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints SHOULD use Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the +maximum packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU +determinations. + +(TODO: Should there be a high minimum MTU for QUIC to avoid ICMP attacks? If so, +does the endpoint fail over to TCP or simply allow fragmentation?) Rather than log this here, open a separate issue. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/105#pullrequestreview-14885089 ----==_mimepart_586b2e8695baf_6953ff459857130582b4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the encrypted payload of
-the resulting UDP datagram.  All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the
-path's MTU to avoid IP fragmentation.  The recommended default maximum packet
-size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4.  To optimize better,
-endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting
-the maximum packet size appropriately.
+The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload,
+including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields.
+All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints SHOULD use Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the
+maximum packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations.
+
+(TODO: Should there be a high minimum MTU for QUIC to avoid ICMP attacks? If so,
+does the endpoint fail over to TCP or simply allow fragmentation?)

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To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints SHOULD use Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the +maximum packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU +determinations. + +(TODO: Should there be a high minimum MTU for QUIC to avoid ICMP attacks? If so, +does the endpoint fail over to TCP or simply allow fragmentation?) + +QUIC endpoints MUST maintain a separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the +peer is using in the connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each +combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a +different minimum MTU in the path). I think that we're going to need a definition for "path", which leads to this being simply: Endpoints MUST maintain a separate PMTU estimate for each path. The implication of your construction is that different remote IP addresses get a different PMTU estimate, but different local ones might not. That's probably fine if the endpoint knows that outgoing packets from different local addresses go to the same remote address over the same path, but I'd rather assume nothing in any mandate we make. That said, if an endpoint has really good information that paths are the "same", then estimates can be easily copied from one path to another. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/105#pullrequestreview-14885271 ----==_mimepart_586b2fde1ff97_59ec3fedb010d140505f1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -the maximum packet size appropriately.
+The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload,
+including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields.
+All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints SHOULD use Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the
+maximum packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations.
+
+(TODO: Should there be a high minimum MTU for QUIC to avoid ICMP attacks? If so,
+does the endpoint fail over to TCP or simply allow fragmentation?)
+
+QUIC endpoints MUST maintain a separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the
+peer is using in the connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each
+combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a
+different minimum MTU in the path).

I think that we're going to need a definition for "path", which leads to this being simply: Endpoints MUST maintain a separate PMTU estimate for each path.

The implication of your construction is that different remote IP addresses get a different PMTU estimate, but different local ones might not. That's probably fine if the endpoint knows that outgoing packets from different local addresses go to the same remote address over the same path, but I'd rather assume nothing in any mandate we make.

That said, if an endpoint has really good information that paths are the "same", then estimates can be easily copied from one path to another.

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields.
+All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints SHOULD use Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the
+maximum packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations.
+
+(TODO: Should there be a high minimum MTU for QUIC to avoid ICMP attacks? If so,
+does the endpoint fail over to TCP or simply allow fragmentation?)
+
+QUIC endpoints MUST maintain a separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the
+peer is using in the connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each
+combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a
+different minimum MTU in the path).
+
+## Packet MTU Determination

Path MTU Discovery?

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +(TODO: Should there be a high minimum MTU for QUIC to avoid ICMP attacks? If so,
+does the endpoint fail over to TCP or simply allow fragmentation?)
+
+QUIC endpoints MUST maintain a separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the
+peer is using in the connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each
+combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a
+different minimum MTU in the path).
+
+## Packet MTU Determination
+
+Path MTU Discovery is optional, but endpoints that implement it observe the
+following requirements.
+
+### DF Marking {#dfmarking}
+
+QUIC endpoints set the Don't Fragment (DF) bit in the IP header of selected

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To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints SHOULD use Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the +maximum packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU +determinations. + +(TODO: Should there be a high minimum MTU for QUIC to avoid ICMP attacks? If so, +does the endpoint fail over to TCP or simply allow fragmentation?) + +QUIC endpoints MUST maintain a separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the +peer is using in the connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each +combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a +different minimum MTU in the path). + +## Packet MTU Determination Path MTU Discovery? > -the maximum packet size appropriately. +The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload, +including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields. +All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP +fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints SHOULD use Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the +maximum packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU +determinations. + +(TODO: Should there be a high minimum MTU for QUIC to avoid ICMP attacks? If so, +does the endpoint fail over to TCP or simply allow fragmentation?) + +QUIC endpoints MUST maintain a separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the +peer is using in the connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each +combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a +different minimum MTU in the path). I think that we're going to need a definition for "path", which leads to this being simply: Endpoints MUST maintain a separate PMTU estimate for each path. The implication of your construction is that different remote IP addresses get a different PMTU estimate, but different local ones might not. That's probably fine if the endpoint knows that outgoing packets from different local addresses go to the same remote address over the same path, but I'd rather assume nothing in any mandate we make. That said, if an endpoint has really good information that paths are the "same", then estimates can be easily copied from one path to another. > +(TODO: Should there be a high minimum MTU for QUIC to avoid ICMP attacks? If so, +does the endpoint fail over to TCP or simply allow fragmentation?) + +QUIC endpoints MUST maintain a separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the +peer is using in the connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each +combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a +different minimum MTU in the path). + +## Packet MTU Determination + +Path MTU Discovery is optional, but endpoints that implement it observe the +following requirements. + +### DF Marking {#dfmarking} + +QUIC endpoints set the Don't Fragment (DF) bit in the IP header of selected You need to point out that this only applies to IPv4. > +peer is using in the connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each +combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a +different minimum MTU in the path). + +## Packet MTU Determination + +Path MTU Discovery is optional, but endpoints that implement it observe the +following requirements. + +### DF Marking {#dfmarking} + +QUIC endpoints set the Don't Fragment (DF) bit in the IP header of selected +QUIC datagrams. These packets MUST use PADDING frames, as necessary, to raise the +overall packet size to the expected maximum. + +The first packet from the client MUST be maximum-size and set the DF bit. Why? What is the maximum size? Can a client reduce the size if it discovers that the packet doesn't fit? How far can it reduce the size? Is that an RFC6919 "MUST (but we know that you won't)"? I say that because clients will have to balance the probability of packets arriving with the desire to avoid amplification attack. I appreciate that fragmentation here is hazardous for numerous reasons, so I agree with the DF marking, but the actual value we choose here is going to be better if it is fixed somehow so that clients can be compliant. > +different minimum MTU in the path). + +## Packet MTU Determination + +Path MTU Discovery is optional, but endpoints that implement it observe the +following requirements. + +### DF Marking {#dfmarking} + +QUIC endpoints set the Don't Fragment (DF) bit in the IP header of selected +QUIC datagrams. These packets MUST use PADDING frames, as necessary, to raise the +overall packet size to the expected maximum. + +The first packet from the client MUST be maximum-size and set the DF bit. + +The last server-generated packet in the Transport Handshake MUST be padded to I'm not sure what message you are referring to here. The transport handshake doesn't really have concrete messages. If you are referring to the TLS handshake, then that only has one message from the server in many cases. If you pad that message, that could be an issue. We're already pushing the limits of what is reasonable given that it usually contains a server certificate. What problem are you attempting to solve by requiring DF on the server messages? > +following requirements. + +### DF Marking {#dfmarking} + +QUIC endpoints set the Don't Fragment (DF) bit in the IP header of selected +QUIC datagrams. These packets MUST use PADDING frames, as necessary, to raise the +overall packet size to the expected maximum. + +The first packet from the client MUST be maximum-size and set the DF bit. + +The last server-generated packet in the Transport Handshake MUST be padded to +maximum-size with the DF bit set. Earlier packets may be smaller to save server +resources until various handshake mechanisms have validated the client. + +QUIC endpoints MUST set the DF bit on the first packet sent to or from an IP +address new to the QUIC connection, and pad the payload appropriately. Again, please ensure that you are clear about why you are requiring this. > + +QUIC endpoints set the Don't Fragment (DF) bit in the IP header of selected +QUIC datagrams. These packets MUST use PADDING frames, as necessary, to raise the +overall packet size to the expected maximum. + +The first packet from the client MUST be maximum-size and set the DF bit. + +The last server-generated packet in the Transport Handshake MUST be padded to +maximum-size with the DF bit set. Earlier packets may be smaller to save server +resources until various handshake mechanisms have validated the client. + +QUIC endpoints MUST set the DF bit on the first packet sent to or from an IP +address new to the QUIC connection, and pad the payload appropriately. + +QUIC endpoints MAY set DF and pad packets when it has evidence that the path +between two previously used IP addresses has changed. Rathole alert: we probably need at least an existence proof here. Name - by way of example - one way that an endpoint would learn this. > + +The last server-generated packet in the Transport Handshake MUST be padded to +maximum-size with the DF bit set. Earlier packets may be smaller to save server +resources until various handshake mechanisms have validated the client. + +QUIC endpoints MUST set the DF bit on the first packet sent to or from an IP +address new to the QUIC connection, and pad the payload appropriately. + +QUIC endpoints MAY set DF and pad packets when it has evidence that the path +between two previously used IP addresses has changed. + +QUIC endpoints SHOULD periodically send a DF-marked, padded packet exceeding the +recorded PMTU to probe for a change in the PMTU. In a change from {{!RFC1191}} +and {{!RFC1981}}, these packets MUST NOT be sent on a path more often than +every 20 RTTs (implying that the chance of a blind attack succeeding is less than +5% without a storm of ICMP packets, given the mechanisms below). Is the assumption that an attacker won't be able to a) observe the initiation of the connection, and b) guess the RTT? Because both of those are not true in the general case. Randomizing the interval and recommending a minimum idle period might work, but only if you also levy some sort of penalty on an attacker. For instance, spurious ICMP/PTB messages can cause future messages to be ignored. Given that you have the rationale for this in the next section, I think that you should move this requirement down there. > + +PMTUD performs poorly with misbehaving routers that do not send +ICMP Packet Too Big messages {{!RFC2923}}. To mitigate these "black holes", QUIC +endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} in addition to PMTUD when repeated losses +of DF-marked packets indicate this problem. + +PMTUD is potentially vulnerable to off-path attacks that successfully guess the +IP/port 4-tuple and reduce the MTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value. +TCP connections mitigate this risk by using the (at minimum) 8 bytes of transport +header echoed in the ICMP message to validate the echoed TCP sequence number in +the current connection context. However, as QUIC operates over UDP, this echoed +information may consist only of the IP and UDP headers, which hold no connection +context except the IP/port 4-tuple. The following requirements (in addition to +limits on DF marking above) mitigate these problems: + +The endpoint MUST maintain a list of all unacknowledged packet numbers with the This list needs bullets. > +of DF-marked packets indicate this problem. + +PMTUD is potentially vulnerable to off-path attacks that successfully guess the +IP/port 4-tuple and reduce the MTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value. +TCP connections mitigate this risk by using the (at minimum) 8 bytes of transport +header echoed in the ICMP message to validate the echoed TCP sequence number in +the current connection context. However, as QUIC operates over UDP, this echoed +information may consist only of the IP and UDP headers, which hold no connection +context except the IP/port 4-tuple. The following requirements (in addition to +limits on DF marking above) mitigate these problems: + +The endpoint MUST maintain a list of all unacknowledged packet numbers with the +DF flag set. + +The endpoint MUST remove packet numbers from the list when the loss detection +algorithm declares the packet lost, or the packet is acknowledged. Would it be reasonable to trim this list more aggressively than otherwise? Several reasons: 1. It only results in lost PMTUD feedback 2. It reduces exposure to those off-path attacks 3. Path elements are able to respond in less than 1RTT > +information may consist only of the IP and UDP headers, which hold no connection +context except the IP/port 4-tuple. The following requirements (in addition to +limits on DF marking above) mitigate these problems: + +The endpoint MUST maintain a list of all unacknowledged packet numbers with the +DF flag set. + +The endpoint MUST remove packet numbers from the list when the loss detection +algorithm declares the packet lost, or the packet is acknowledged. + +The endpoint MUST ignore any Packet Too Big message that arrives when there are +no unacknowledged packet numbers in the list. + +Incoming Packet Too Big messages SHOULD be applied to all QUIC connections that +share the same local and remote IP addresses, assuming they are valid for one +connection. We should refer to a path here. How we identify a path locally is probably something we need to include in the definition. > +The endpoint MUST maintain a list of all unacknowledged packet numbers with the +DF flag set. + +The endpoint MUST remove packet numbers from the list when the loss detection +algorithm declares the packet lost, or the packet is acknowledged. + +The endpoint MUST ignore any Packet Too Big message that arrives when there are +no unacknowledged packet numbers in the list. + +Incoming Packet Too Big messages SHOULD be applied to all QUIC connections that +share the same local and remote IP addresses, assuming they are valid for one +connection. + +Valid Packet Too Big messages MUST trigger immediate retransmission of +retransmittable data from packet numbers in the list, with no adjustment in +congestion control parameters consistent with a congestion-induced loss. I'm not an expert but this seems wrong: if the signal originates from the remote side of a congested link, isn't this a great way to add to that congestion? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/105#pullrequestreview-14885337 ----==_mimepart_586b379ba4290_14e543fe95dfb1130130729 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields.
+All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints SHOULD use Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the
+maximum packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations.
+
+(TODO: Should there be a high minimum MTU for QUIC to avoid ICMP attacks? If so,
+does the endpoint fail over to TCP or simply allow fragmentation?)
+
+QUIC endpoints MUST maintain a separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the
+peer is using in the connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each
+combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a
+different minimum MTU in the path).
+
+## Packet MTU Determination

Path MTU Discovery?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -the maximum packet size appropriately.
+The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload,
+including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields.
+All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints SHOULD use Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the
+maximum packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations.
+
+(TODO: Should there be a high minimum MTU for QUIC to avoid ICMP attacks? If so,
+does the endpoint fail over to TCP or simply allow fragmentation?)
+
+QUIC endpoints MUST maintain a separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the
+peer is using in the connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each
+combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a
+different minimum MTU in the path).

I think that we're going to need a definition for "path", which leads to this being simply: Endpoints MUST maintain a separate PMTU estimate for each path.

The implication of your construction is that different remote IP addresses get a different PMTU estimate, but different local ones might not. That's probably fine if the endpoint knows that outgoing packets from different local addresses go to the same remote address over the same path, but I'd rather assume nothing in any mandate we make.

That said, if an endpoint has really good information that paths are the "same", then estimates can be easily copied from one path to another.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +(TODO: Should there be a high minimum MTU for QUIC to avoid ICMP attacks? If so,
+does the endpoint fail over to TCP or simply allow fragmentation?)
+
+QUIC endpoints MUST maintain a separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the
+peer is using in the connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each
+combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a
+different minimum MTU in the path).
+
+## Packet MTU Determination
+
+Path MTU Discovery is optional, but endpoints that implement it observe the
+following requirements.
+
+### DF Marking {#dfmarking}
+
+QUIC endpoints set the Don't Fragment (DF) bit in the IP header of selected

You need to point out that this only applies to IPv4.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +peer is using in the connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each
+combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a
+different minimum MTU in the path).
+
+## Packet MTU Determination
+
+Path MTU Discovery is optional, but endpoints that implement it observe the
+following requirements.
+
+### DF Marking {#dfmarking}
+
+QUIC endpoints set the Don't Fragment (DF) bit in the IP header of selected
+QUIC datagrams. These packets MUST use PADDING frames, as necessary, to raise the
+overall packet size to the expected maximum.
+
+The first packet from the client MUST be maximum-size and set the DF bit.

Why? What is the maximum size? Can a client reduce the size if it discovers that the packet doesn't fit? How far can it reduce the size?

Is that an RFC6919 "MUST (but we know that you won't)"? I say that because clients will have to balance the probability of packets arriving with the desire to avoid amplification attack. I appreciate that fragmentation here is hazardous for numerous reasons, so I agree with the DF marking, but the actual value we choose here is going to be better if it is fixed somehow so that clients can be compliant.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +different minimum MTU in the path).
+
+## Packet MTU Determination
+
+Path MTU Discovery is optional, but endpoints that implement it observe the
+following requirements.
+
+### DF Marking {#dfmarking}
+
+QUIC endpoints set the Don't Fragment (DF) bit in the IP header of selected
+QUIC datagrams. These packets MUST use PADDING frames, as necessary, to raise the
+overall packet size to the expected maximum.
+
+The first packet from the client MUST be maximum-size and set the DF bit.
+
+The last server-generated packet in the Transport Handshake MUST be padded to

I'm not sure what message you are referring to here. The transport handshake doesn't really have concrete messages.

If you are referring to the TLS handshake, then that only has one message from the server in many cases. If you pad that message, that could be an issue. We're already pushing the limits of what is reasonable given that it usually contains a server certificate.

What problem are you attempting to solve by requiring DF on the server messages?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +following requirements.
+
+### DF Marking {#dfmarking}
+
+QUIC endpoints set the Don't Fragment (DF) bit in the IP header of selected
+QUIC datagrams. These packets MUST use PADDING frames, as necessary, to raise the
+overall packet size to the expected maximum.
+
+The first packet from the client MUST be maximum-size and set the DF bit.
+
+The last server-generated packet in the Transport Handshake MUST be padded to
+maximum-size with the DF bit set. Earlier packets may be smaller to save server
+resources until various handshake mechanisms have validated the client.
+
+QUIC endpoints MUST set the DF bit on the first packet sent to or from an IP
+address new to the QUIC connection, and pad the payload appropriately.

Again, please ensure that you are clear about why you are requiring this.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+QUIC endpoints set the Don't Fragment (DF) bit in the IP header of selected
+QUIC datagrams. These packets MUST use PADDING frames, as necessary, to raise the
+overall packet size to the expected maximum.
+
+The first packet from the client MUST be maximum-size and set the DF bit.
+
+The last server-generated packet in the Transport Handshake MUST be padded to
+maximum-size with the DF bit set. Earlier packets may be smaller to save server
+resources until various handshake mechanisms have validated the client.
+
+QUIC endpoints MUST set the DF bit on the first packet sent to or from an IP
+address new to the QUIC connection, and pad the payload appropriately.
+
+QUIC endpoints MAY set DF and pad packets when it has evidence that the path
+between two previously used IP addresses has changed.

Rathole alert: we probably need at least an existence proof here. Name - by way of example - one way that an endpoint would learn this.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+The last server-generated packet in the Transport Handshake MUST be padded to
+maximum-size with the DF bit set. Earlier packets may be smaller to save server
+resources until various handshake mechanisms have validated the client.
+
+QUIC endpoints MUST set the DF bit on the first packet sent to or from an IP
+address new to the QUIC connection, and pad the payload appropriately.
+
+QUIC endpoints MAY set DF and pad packets when it has evidence that the path
+between two previously used IP addresses has changed.
+
+QUIC endpoints SHOULD periodically send a DF-marked, padded packet exceeding the
+recorded PMTU to probe for a change in the PMTU. In a change from {{!RFC1191}}
+and {{!RFC1981}}, these packets MUST NOT be sent on a path more often than
+every 20 RTTs (implying that the chance of a blind attack succeeding is less than
+5% without a storm of ICMP packets, given the mechanisms below).

Is the assumption that an attacker won't be able to a) observe the initiation of the connection, and b) guess the RTT? Because both of those are not true in the general case. Randomizing the interval and recommending a minimum idle period might work, but only if you also levy some sort of penalty on an attacker. For instance, spurious ICMP/PTB messages can cause future messages to be ignored.

Given that you have the rationale for this in the next section, I think that you should move this requirement down there.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+PMTUD performs poorly with misbehaving routers that do not send
+ICMP Packet Too Big messages {{!RFC2923}}. To mitigate these "black holes", QUIC
+endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} in addition to PMTUD when repeated losses
+of DF-marked packets indicate this problem.
+
+PMTUD is potentially vulnerable to off-path attacks that successfully guess the
+IP/port 4-tuple and reduce the MTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value.
+TCP connections mitigate this risk by using the (at minimum) 8 bytes of transport
+header echoed in the ICMP message to validate the echoed TCP sequence number in
+the current connection context. However, as QUIC operates over UDP, this echoed
+information may consist only of the IP and UDP headers, which hold no connection
+context except the IP/port 4-tuple. The following requirements (in addition to
+limits on DF marking above) mitigate these problems:
+
+The endpoint MUST maintain a list of all unacknowledged packet numbers with the

This list needs bullets.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +of DF-marked packets indicate this problem.
+
+PMTUD is potentially vulnerable to off-path attacks that successfully guess the
+IP/port 4-tuple and reduce the MTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value.
+TCP connections mitigate this risk by using the (at minimum) 8 bytes of transport
+header echoed in the ICMP message to validate the echoed TCP sequence number in
+the current connection context. However, as QUIC operates over UDP, this echoed
+information may consist only of the IP and UDP headers, which hold no connection
+context except the IP/port 4-tuple. The following requirements (in addition to
+limits on DF marking above) mitigate these problems:
+
+The endpoint MUST maintain a list of all unacknowledged packet numbers with the
+DF flag set.
+
+The endpoint MUST remove packet numbers from the list when the loss detection
+algorithm declares the packet lost, or the packet is acknowledged.

Would it be reasonable to trim this list more aggressively than otherwise? Several reasons:

  1. It only results in lost PMTUD feedback
  2. It reduces exposure to those off-path attacks
  3. Path elements are able to respond in less than 1RTT

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +information may consist only of the IP and UDP headers, which hold no connection
+context except the IP/port 4-tuple. The following requirements (in addition to
+limits on DF marking above) mitigate these problems:
+
+The endpoint MUST maintain a list of all unacknowledged packet numbers with the
+DF flag set.
+
+The endpoint MUST remove packet numbers from the list when the loss detection
+algorithm declares the packet lost, or the packet is acknowledged.
+
+The endpoint MUST ignore any Packet Too Big message that arrives when there are
+no unacknowledged packet numbers in the list.
+
+Incoming Packet Too Big messages SHOULD be applied to all QUIC connections that
+share the same local and remote IP addresses, assuming they are valid for one
+connection.

We should refer to a path here. How we identify a path locally is probably something we need to include in the definition.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +The endpoint MUST maintain a list of all unacknowledged packet numbers with the
+DF flag set.
+
+The endpoint MUST remove packet numbers from the list when the loss detection
+algorithm declares the packet lost, or the packet is acknowledged.
+
+The endpoint MUST ignore any Packet Too Big message that arrives when there are
+no unacknowledged packet numbers in the list.
+
+Incoming Packet Too Big messages SHOULD be applied to all QUIC connections that
+share the same local and remote IP addresses, assuming they are valid for one
+connection.
+
+Valid Packet Too Big messages MUST trigger immediate retransmission of
+retransmittable data from packet numbers in the list, with no adjustment in
+congestion control parameters consistent with a congestion-induced loss.

I'm not an expert but this seems wrong: if the signal originates from the remote side of a congested link, isn't this a great way to add to that congestion?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+QUIC endpoints MAY set DF and pad packets when implementing probes as described in
+{{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}, or {{!RFC4821}}.
+
+QUIC endpoints MAY set DF and pad packets when it has evidence that the path between two
+previously used IP addresses has changed.
+
+### Special Considerations for Path MTU Discovery 
+
+Traditional ICMP-based path MTU discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) is
+potentially vulnerable to off-path attacks that succesfully guess the IP/port 4-tuple
+and reduce the MTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value. TCP connections mitigate this
+risk by using the (at minimum) 8 bytes of transport header echoed in the ICMP message
+to validate the TCP sequence number as valid for the current connection. However, as
+QUIC operates over UDP, this echoed information may consist only of the IP and UDP
+headers, which hold no connection-specific context except the IP/port 4-tuple.

This isn't strictly correct. There are 4 16-bit values (source port, destination port, length, checksum). The problem is that not many implementations are willing to remember length and checksum for the packets that they sent. Also, including length means that the packet contains very little entropy, meaning that it's relatively easy to guess from off-path.

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QUIC currently permits up to 32 bits of stream number. This could be increased to 64.

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I note that the IEEE754 reference doesn't help.

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Each Regular packet is assigned a packet number by the sender. The first packet sent by an endpoint MUST have a packet number of 1. -* AEAD Data: A Regular packet's header, which includes the Common Header, and - the Version, Diversification Nonce, and Packet Number fields, is authenticated +* AEAD Data: A Regular packet's Common Header and fields are authenticated, Reminder to me: this statement is incorrect. The AAD is empty. > -* Frame Type: The Frame Type byte is an 8-bit value containing various flags. - This byte is formatted as the following 8 bits: 01NULLMM. +* The `N` bit indicates whether the frame has more than 1 ack range (i.e. nit: comma after "i.e." > - * Delta Largest Observed (opt, repeated): (Same as above.) +* Delta Largest Acked 1-N (opt, repeated): (Same as above.) Maybe use an ellipsis here rather than the hyphen, which my addled brain interpreted as minus. > -The WINDOW_UPDATE frame informs the peer of an increase in an endpoint's flow -control receive window. The StreamID can be zero, indicating this WINDOW_UPDATE -applies to the connection level flow control window, or non-zero, indicating -that the specified stream should increase its flow control window. The frame is -as follows: +The WINDOW_UPDATE frame (type=0x04) informs the peer of an increase in an +endpoint's flow control receive window. The Stream ID can be zero, indicating +this WINDOW_UPDATE applies to the connection level flow control window, or +non-zero, indicating that the specified stream should increase its flow control +window. The frame is as follows: You need to watch for trailing whitespace here. > -## PING frame +## PING frame {#frame-ping} Endpoints can use PING frames to verify that their peers are still alive or to (type=0x...) > ~~~ - +---------------------------------------------------+ - | Type (8) | Least unacked delta (8, 16, 32, or 48) | - +---------------------------------------------------+ + 0 1 2 3 + 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Least Unacked Delta (8/16/32/24) ... This is not a faithful transcription. s/24/48 -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/103#pullrequestreview-14886730 ----==_mimepart_586b43ade4763_1c453fa9e01cb140137093 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  * Packet Number: The lower 8, 16, 32, or 48 bits of the packet number, based on
   the PACKET_NUMBER_SIZE flag.  Each Regular packet is assigned a packet number
   by the sender.  The first packet sent by an endpoint MUST have a packet number
   of 1.
 
-* AEAD Data: A Regular packet's header, which includes the Common Header, and
-  the Version, Diversification Nonce, and Packet Number fields, is authenticated
+* AEAD Data: A Regular packet's Common Header and fields are authenticated,

Reminder to me: this statement is incorrect. The AAD is empty.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-* Frame Type: The Frame Type byte is an 8-bit value containing various flags.
-  This byte is formatted as the following 8 bits: 01NULLMM.
+* The `N` bit indicates whether the frame has more than 1 ack range (i.e.

nit: comma after "i.e."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-  * Delta Largest Observed (opt, repeated): (Same as above.)
+* Delta Largest Acked 1-N (opt, repeated): (Same as above.)

Maybe use an ellipsis here rather than the hyphen, which my addled brain interpreted as minus.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The WINDOW_UPDATE frame informs the peer of an increase in an endpoint's flow
-control receive window.  The StreamID can be zero, indicating this WINDOW_UPDATE
-applies to the connection level flow control window, or non-zero, indicating
-that the specified stream should increase its flow control window.  The frame is
-as follows:
+The WINDOW_UPDATE frame (type=0x04) informs the peer of an increase in an 
+endpoint's flow control receive window. The Stream ID can be zero, indicating 
+this WINDOW_UPDATE applies to the connection level flow control window, or 
+non-zero, indicating that the specified stream should increase its flow control 
+window. The frame is as follows:

You need to watch for trailing whitespace here.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-## PING frame
+## PING frame {#frame-ping}
 
 Endpoints can use PING frames to verify that their peers are still alive or to

(type=0x...)

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ~~~
-   +---------------------------------------------------+
-   | Type (8) | Least unacked delta (8, 16, 32, or 48) |
-   +---------------------------------------------------+
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|               Least Unacked Delta (8/16/32/24)              ...

This is not a faithful transcription. s/24/48

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----==_mimepart_586b43ade4763_1c453fa9e01cb140137093-- From nobody Mon Jan 2 22:30:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CBFE12953F for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2017 22:30:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C4X4MWH73L7W for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2017 22:30:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext7.iad.github.net [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1A8B12953E for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2017 22:30:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2017 22:30:13 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1483425013; bh=tbooeHDQSawfaGEcIMZh8LUuOAalRsMSaUrka1UnAp0=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=IY0cMUXgLly64BTxERgubnyrayQVZrEgnHqQ2gG4l6XMtggkVTDRUmGcistnp81kH plTFdXLR4vKi/PFkY6o56v5uXrD+svt6kMnVxJAi0bqfnbGhnOa40ubaFn7rBF3irQ Q7uZ1naeevB15WYU0tCGGD+dIUo1QE+Vv4YU4cXI= From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Describe CONNECT method (#100) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_586b44f5104f5_65653fd4a97d7130560871"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 06:30:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_586b44f5104f5_65653fd4a97d7130560871 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > @@ -246,6 +246,44 @@ DISCUSS: do we need to retain compatibility with HTTP/2's HPACK? +### The CONNECT Method + +In HTTP/1.x, the pseudo-method CONNECT ({{!RFC7231}}, Section 4.3.6) is used to +convert an HTTP connection into a tunnel to a remote host. CONNECT is primarily +used with HTTP proxies to establish a TLS session with an origin server for the +purposes of interacting with "https" resources. In HTTP/2, the CONNECT method is +used to establish a tunnel over a single HTTP/2 stream to a remote host for +similar purposes. This probably needs to use QUIC rather than HTTP/2. > +purposes of interacting with "https" resources. In HTTP/2, the CONNECT method is +used to establish a tunnel over a single HTTP/2 stream to a remote host for +similar purposes. + +A CONNECT request in HTTP/QUIC functions in the same manner as in HTTP/2. The +request MUST be formatted as described in {{!RFC7540}}, Section 8.3. A CONNECT +request that does not conform to these restrictions is malformed. The message +data stream MUST NOT be closed at the end of the request. + +A proxy that supports CONNECT establishes a TCP connection ({{!RFC0793}}) to the +server identified in the ":authority" pseudo-header field. Once this connection +is successfully established, the proxy sends a HEADERS frame containing a 2xx +series status code to the client, as defined in {{!RFC7231}}, Section 4.3.6, on +the message control stream. + +All activity on the message data stream corresponds to data sent on the TCP s/activity/STREAM frames sent/ > +used to establish a tunnel over a single HTTP/2 stream to a remote host for +similar purposes. + +A CONNECT request in HTTP/QUIC functions in the same manner as in HTTP/2. The +request MUST be formatted as described in {{!RFC7540}}, Section 8.3. A CONNECT +request that does not conform to these restrictions is malformed. The message +data stream MUST NOT be closed at the end of the request. + +A proxy that supports CONNECT establishes a TCP connection ({{!RFC0793}}) to the +server identified in the ":authority" pseudo-header field. Once this connection +is successfully established, the proxy sends a HEADERS frame containing a 2xx +series status code to the client, as defined in {{!RFC7231}}, Section 4.3.6, on +the message control stream. + +All activity on the message data stream corresponds to data sent on the TCP +connection. Any data sent by the client is transmitted by the proxy to the TCP Any STREAM frame > +A proxy that supports CONNECT establishes a TCP connection ({{!RFC0793}}) to the +server identified in the ":authority" pseudo-header field. Once this connection +is successfully established, the proxy sends a HEADERS frame containing a 2xx +series status code to the client, as defined in {{!RFC7231}}, Section 4.3.6, on +the message control stream. + +All activity on the message data stream corresponds to data sent on the TCP +connection. Any data sent by the client is transmitted by the proxy to the TCP +server; data received from the TCP server is written to the data stream by the +proxy. + +The TCP connection can be closed by either peer. When the client half-closes the +data stream, the proxy will set the FIN bit on its connection to the TCP server. +When the proxy receives a packet with the FIN bit set, it will half-close the +corresponding data stream. Note that the size and number of TCP segments is not +guaranteed to map predictably to the size and number of QUIC STREAM frames. Move this last sentence to the previous paragraph. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/100#pullrequestreview-14888559 ----==_mimepart_586b44f5104f5_65653fd4a97d7130560871 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -246,6 +246,44 @@ DISCUSS:
 do we need to retain compatibility with HTTP/2's HPACK? 
 
 
+### The CONNECT Method
+
+In HTTP/1.x, the pseudo-method CONNECT ({{!RFC7231}}, Section 4.3.6) is used to 
+convert an HTTP connection into a tunnel to a remote host. CONNECT is primarily 
+used with HTTP proxies to establish a TLS session with an origin server for the 
+purposes of interacting with "https" resources. In HTTP/2, the CONNECT method is 
+used to establish a tunnel over a single HTTP/2 stream to a remote host for 
+similar purposes.

This probably needs to use QUIC rather than HTTP/2.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +purposes of interacting with "https" resources. In HTTP/2, the CONNECT method is 
+used to establish a tunnel over a single HTTP/2 stream to a remote host for 
+similar purposes. 
+
+A CONNECT request in HTTP/QUIC functions in the same manner as in HTTP/2. The 
+request MUST be formatted as described in {{!RFC7540}}, Section 8.3. A CONNECT 
+request that does not conform to these restrictions is malformed. The message 
+data stream MUST NOT be closed at the end of the request. 
+
+A proxy that supports CONNECT establishes a TCP connection ({{!RFC0793}}) to the 
+server identified in the ":authority" pseudo-header field. Once this connection 
+is successfully established, the proxy sends a HEADERS frame containing a 2xx 
+series status code to the client, as defined in {{!RFC7231}}, Section 4.3.6, on 
+the message control stream. 
+
+All activity on the message data stream corresponds to data sent on the TCP

s/activity/STREAM frames sent/

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +used to establish a tunnel over a single HTTP/2 stream to a remote host for 
+similar purposes. 
+
+A CONNECT request in HTTP/QUIC functions in the same manner as in HTTP/2. The 
+request MUST be formatted as described in {{!RFC7540}}, Section 8.3. A CONNECT 
+request that does not conform to these restrictions is malformed. The message 
+data stream MUST NOT be closed at the end of the request. 
+
+A proxy that supports CONNECT establishes a TCP connection ({{!RFC0793}}) to the 
+server identified in the ":authority" pseudo-header field. Once this connection 
+is successfully established, the proxy sends a HEADERS frame containing a 2xx 
+series status code to the client, as defined in {{!RFC7231}}, Section 4.3.6, on 
+the message control stream. 
+
+All activity on the message data stream corresponds to data sent on the TCP 
+connection. Any data sent by the client is transmitted by the proxy to the TCP

Any STREAM frame

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +A proxy that supports CONNECT establishes a TCP connection ({{!RFC0793}}) to the 
+server identified in the ":authority" pseudo-header field. Once this connection 
+is successfully established, the proxy sends a HEADERS frame containing a 2xx 
+series status code to the client, as defined in {{!RFC7231}}, Section 4.3.6, on 
+the message control stream. 
+
+All activity on the message data stream corresponds to data sent on the TCP 
+connection. Any data sent by the client is transmitted by the proxy to the TCP 
+server; data received from the TCP server is written to the data stream by the 
+proxy. 
+
+The TCP connection can be closed by either peer. When the client half-closes the 
+data stream, the proxy will set the FIN bit on its connection to the TCP server. 
+When the proxy receives a packet with the FIN bit set, it will half-close the 
+corresponding data stream. Note that the size and number of TCP segments is not 
+guaranteed to map predictably to the size and number of QUIC STREAM frames.

Move this last sentence to the previous paragraph.

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v="34,33" +## QUIC version hints {#alt-svc-version-hint} Should we use "Title Case For Headers" or "Sentence case for headers"? > on port 443 and, if successful, send HTTP requests using the mapping described -in this document. +in this document. Servers SHOULD list only versions which they support, but MAY This seems to refer to the example specifically. but we're now a few paragraphs down. Either speak generically "the client MAY attempt to establish a QUIC connection on the specified port" or refer to the example directly. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/90#pullrequestreview-14914115 ----==_mimepart_586b8e6dc3f6f_437e3f80db81313426591d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson approved this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
-   Alt-Svc: quic=":443"; v="34,33"
+## QUIC version hints {#alt-svc-version-hint}

Should we use "Title Case For Headers" or "Sentence case for headers"?

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  on port 443 and, if successful, send HTTP requests using the mapping described
-in this document.
+in this document.  Servers SHOULD list only versions which they support, but MAY

This seems to refer to the example specifically. but we're now a few paragraphs down. Either speak generically "the client MAY attempt to establish a QUIC connection on the specified port" or refer to the example directly.

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given ian's experience of 90% effectiveness in comment in #64 (comment) I would be wary of int= roducing ICMP into this at all.

'90% effectiveness' means we're leaving about 150 bytes per datagram on = the table. It would be fine to have a protocol that didn't packetize data = all that efficiently in the name of simplicity, but if that is the goal the= n we should absolutely get rid of the many variable-length header fields, w= hich introduce a ton of complexity for less than 100 bytes of savings in mo= st cases.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+QUIC endpoints MAY set DF and pad packets when implementing probes as described in
+{{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}, or {{!RFC4821}}.
+
+QUIC endpoints MAY set DF and pad packets when it has evidence that the path between two
+previously used IP addresses has changed.
+
+### Special Considerations for Path MTU Discovery 
+
+Traditional ICMP-based path MTU discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) is
+potentially vulnerable to off-path attacks that succesfully guess the IP/port 4-tuple
+and reduce the MTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value. TCP connections mitigate this
+risk by using the (at minimum) 8 bytes of transport header echoed in the ICMP message
+to validate the TCP sequence number as valid for the current connection. However, as
+QUIC operates over UDP, this echoed information may consist only of the IP and UDP
+headers, which hold no connection-specific context except the IP/port 4-tuple.

That's a good point. How about "this echoed information may consist only of the IP and UDP headers, which usually has insufficient entropy to mitigate off-path attacks." ?

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I meant to advocate fo= r the in band approach because of concerns over the complexity of ICMP give= n its rather small impact here. * part of the complexity is simply ICMP is a whole different protocol sta= ck - often with different same host consumers than the QUIC stack (as has be= en mentioned). * a bigger part of the complexity imo is that ICMP introduces unauthenticated and unencrypted inputs into the system. So you have to at= least add the complexity of verifying them independently which undermines= a lot of their original advantages over a loss based approach anyhow (e.g partially the argument about search space, the argument about faster) and= who knows if this also enables meaningful traffic analysis such as identifying reliable vs non reliable streams, etc.. Much better in my opinion to keep all quic inputs authenticated as much as possible - and this is a place where it seems possible. I'm not actually a big fan of the variable-length header fields, but your= argument isn't really apples to apples. Variable-Length-Encoded bytes are= truly saved bandwidth, while the 150 byte MTU shortcoming relates to pack= et overhead ratios.. adding 150 bytes of data to each packet has about the same bandwidth impact as saving 6 or 7 actual bytes if my arithmetic work= ed out. On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 1:11 PM, martinduke wro= te: > given ian's experience of 90% effectiveness in comment in #64 > (comment) I would be > wary of introducing ICMP into this at all. > > '90% effectiveness' means we're leaving about 150 bytes per datagram on= > the table. It would be fine to have a protocol that didn't packetize da= ta > all that efficiently in the name of simplicity, but if that is the goal= > then we should absolutely get rid of the many variable-length header > fields, which introduce a ton of complexity for less than 100 bytes of > savings in most cases. > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you commented. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/64#issuecomment-270198226= ----==_mimepart_586bf8b888e93_33b3fc60b3371401972f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I should have been more clear that I was making 2 different (but related)=
comments

1] PMTUD overall ought to remain a MAY

2] in describing PMTUD we could choose to detail a loss based in band
= approach or an ICMP approach (or a hybrid etc..). I meant to advocate fo= r
the in band approach because of concerns over the complexity of ICMP give= n
its rather small impact here.

* part of the complexity is simply ICMP is a whole different protocol sta= ck
- often with different same host consumers than the QUIC stack (as has be= en
mentioned).

* a bigger part of the complexity imo is that ICMP introduces
unauthenticated and unencrypted inputs into the system. So you have to at=
least add the complexity of verifying them independently which undermines= a
lot of their original advantages over a loss based approach anyhow (e.g partially the argument about search space, the argument about faster) and=
who knows if this also enables meaningful traffic analysis such as
identifying reliable vs non reliable streams, etc.. Much better in my
= opinion to keep all quic inputs authenticated as much as possible - and this is a place where it seems possible.

I'm not actually a big fan of the variable-length header fields, but = your
argument isn't really apples to apples. Variable-Length-Encoded bytes= are
truly saved bandwidth, while the 150 byte MTU shortcoming relates to pack= et
overhead ratios.. adding 150 bytes of data to each packet has about the same bandwidth impact as saving 6 or 7 actual bytes if my arithmetic work= ed
out.






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> '90% effectiveness' means we're leaving about 150 bytes = per datagram on
> the table. It would be fine to have a protocol that didn't packe= tize data
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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -246,6 +246,44 @@ DISCUSS:
 do we need to retain compatibility with HTTP/2's HPACK? 
 
 
+### The CONNECT Method
+
+In HTTP/1.x, the pseudo-method CONNECT ({{!RFC7231}}, Section 4.3.6) is used to 
+convert an HTTP connection into a tunnel to a remote host. CONNECT is primarily 
+used with HTTP proxies to establish a TLS session with an origin server for the 
+purposes of interacting with "https" resources. In HTTP/2, the CONNECT method is 
+used to establish a tunnel over a single HTTP/2 stream to a remote host for 
+similar purposes.

This was intentional: "HTTP/1.1 does this; HTTP/2 does this. Here's how it works in HTTP/QUIC:" If that's not clear, any suggestions on how to improve it?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+QUIC endpoints MAY set DF and pad packets when implementing probes as described in
+{{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}, or {{!RFC4821}}.
+
+QUIC endpoints MAY set DF and pad packets when it has evidence that the path between two
+previously used IP addresses has changed.
+
+### Special Considerations for Path MTU Discovery 
+
+Traditional ICMP-based path MTU discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) is
+potentially vulnerable to off-path attacks that succesfully guess the IP/port 4-tuple
+and reduce the MTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value. TCP connections mitigate this
+risk by using the (at minimum) 8 bytes of transport header echoed in the ICMP message
+to validate the TCP sequence number as valid for the current connection. However, as
+QUIC operates over UDP, this echoed information may consist only of the IP and UDP
+headers, which hold no connection-specific context except the IP/port 4-tuple.

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I think it's "low latency" in the sense=C2=A0that the client doesn't pro= pose the list and wait for the server to select. But by that standard, so = is TLS=C2=A0 version negotiation....

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I think that this is better off moved to the -transport document. If it's OK with you, I plan to move your text there. I think that keeps the separation of concerns cleaner.

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----==_mimepart_586c5b2dee34e_479d3fa4a384913013977d-- From nobody Tue Jan 3 18:30:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3731294BB for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 18:30:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iWD3UMgqVgzZ for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 18:30:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext8.iad.github.net [192.30.252.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA30B12944F for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 18:30:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 18:30:49 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1483497049; bh=EzAIq2oz/DetLw2p3sLxsi4OsDs/S/D37TMFjc5aV3Y=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xDJ/MBrDdZaNDVKSHpHuE7puMirjjUxQ4LYnoQSpdsuv3N9EpK4akeCL1X3I9OPWz b63pfrwcFJriLewUOB6eeIBKb/Z0Vd4WZReiPCTd32KyClJW9PU5ZbcgXRKlLGHICm IOVTqJQDbOoSA7wcUDCvd/S5XCqrhrDdFrysHB0Q= From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] version negotiation isn't low latency, so remove it (#110) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_586c5e59dcd3d_267b3fa4a3849130214597"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2017 02:30:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_586c5e59dcd3d_267b3fa4a3849130214597 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit :) IPv4 is also low latency by the same measure, it just doesn't really have a "negotiation" piece. I think that the main point is that it's redundant with the "low latency connection setup" thing. A truly low latency version negotiation would allow for some progress on the rest of the handshake in parallel. But that requires a greater commitment to a given packet format. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/110#issuecomment-270281087 ----==_mimepart_586c5e59dcd3d_267b3fa4a3849130214597 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

:) IPv4 is also low latency by the same measure, it just doesn't reall= y have a "negotiation" piece.

I think that the main point is that it's redundant with the "low laten= cy connection setup" thing. A truly low latency version negotiation woul= d allow for some progress on the rest of the handshake in parallel. But = that requires a greater commitment to a given packet format.

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I was worried that this would be hard.

Closes #28

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > * Packet Number: The lower 8, 16, 32, or 48 bits of the packet number, based on the PACKET_NUMBER_SIZE flag. Each Regular packet is assigned a packet number by the sender. The first packet sent by an endpoint MUST have a packet number of 1. -* AEAD Data: A Regular packet's header, which includes the Common Header, and - the Version, Diversification Nonce, and Packet Number fields, is authenticated +* AEAD Data: A Regular packet's Common Header and fields are authenticated, I don't think that it's accurate to say that the Regular packet's Common Header and fields are authenticated, since the "fields" contain frames and those are encrypted. Perhaps we should start calling them Regular packet header and payload, so that the Common Header and the Regular packet's Header are authenticated, and the Regular packet's payload is encrypted? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  * Packet Number: The lower 8, 16, 32, or 48 bits of the packet number, based on
   the PACKET_NUMBER_SIZE flag.  Each Regular packet is assigned a packet number
   by the sender.  The first packet sent by an endpoint MUST have a packet number
   of 1.
 
-* AEAD Data: A Regular packet's header, which includes the Common Header, and
-  the Version, Diversification Nonce, and Packet Number fields, is authenticated
+* AEAD Data: A Regular packet's Common Header and fields are authenticated,

I don't think that it's accurate to say that the Regular packet's Common Header and fields are authenticated, since the "fields" contain frames and those are encrypted. Perhaps we should start calling them Regular packet header and payload, so that the Common Header and the Regular packet's Header are authenticated, and the Regular packet's payload is encrypted?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  * Packet Number: The lower 8, 16, 32, or 48 bits of the packet number, based on
   the PACKET_NUMBER_SIZE flag.  Each Regular packet is assigned a packet number
   by the sender.  The first packet sent by an endpoint MUST have a packet number
   of 1.
 
-* AEAD Data: A Regular packet's header, which includes the Common Header, and
-  the Version, Diversification Nonce, and Packet Number fields, is authenticated
+* AEAD Data: A Regular packet's Common Header and fields are authenticated,

I think that we can merge this absent any fix here. It's a minor point that needs to be corrected, but this PR doesn't need to fix problems it didn't create :)

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I've added a section on what can change between versions. Right now, I've identified what I believe to be the absolute minimum that has to stay constant. This is made easier because it only relates to packets that are exchanged before a connection is setup. Closes #55. I've aligned the version negotiation section with the recent changes to -tls. That includes the client including a version in all packets prior to the commencement of packet protection. I'm laying some groundwork for later changes here. I'll build on this when I define the transport parameters, stealing from #99. Builds on #111. 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This defines what a version number is and carves out space for us.

I've added a section on what can change between versions. Right now, I've identified what I believe to be the absolute minimum that has to stay constant. This is made easier because it only relates to packets that are exchanged before a connection is setup. Closes #55.

I've aligned the version negotiation section with the recent changes to -tls. That includes the client including a version in all packets prior to the commencement of packet protection.

I'm laying some groundwork for later changes here. I'll build on this when I define the transport parameters, stealing from #99.

Builds on #111.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/113

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  • Big endian
  • Define version negotiation more thoroughly
  • Reserve space
  • not off

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This is worth discussing. An important lesson from HTTP/2 was that mu= ltiplexing is lame without prioritization.

@Mike= Bishop, I assume that you are thinking one of two things:

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  2. a more complex arrangement in which stream prioritization is determin= ed by the application layer protocol, but the transport queries the appli= cation layer to learn what packets to allocate resources to

I agree that the status quo isn't ideal. Mostly that's theoretical, b= ecause an implementation can add as much cross-talk between layers as it = needs to get the job done. It could mean that retransmissions of packets= are made in ignorance of priority. Speaking of which, we probably need = some sort of guidance about how to prioritize those.

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When talking about priority in #104, the question arose. Say you have two streams and a STREAM frame to send on each, but only enough capacity to send one (due to flow control, congestion, or whatever). Prioritization information helps us answer this question. But what if the message is a retransmission of a packet that was determined to be lost.

I think that the right answer has to do with tracking how long since a packet was originally given to QUIC to send. And that we don't necessarily need to concern ourselves with whether it was sent previously or not - that will shake out in time anyway. If it was sent before, it was obviously high enough priority to be worth sending once already.

That said, the value of repairing a gap in a stream is pretty high in terms of the ration of bytes delivered to bytes transmitted, so that might have some say.

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There are a bunch of things that need to be addressed here. What is likely to happen is that this issue will turn into many smaller issues and this will eventually get closed as those become better understood.

  1. Reasons migration might be needed (mobility, NAT rebinding, routing changes, etc...)
  2. Routing considerations when migration occurs
  3. Privacy implications of linkability across migrations
  4. Verifying consent to send on a new path
  5. Establishing any desired middlebox state along the path

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -374,27 +398,18 @@ Check the flags in the common header
 
 ## Regular Packets
 
-Each Regular packet's header consists of a Common Header followed by fields
-specific to Regular packets, as shown below:
+Each Regular packet's payload consists of fields shown below:

I would change this to: "Each Regular packet contains additional header fields followed by payload, as shown below:"

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  * Packet Number: The lower 8, 16, 32, or 48 bits of the packet number, based on
   the PACKET_NUMBER_SIZE flag.  Each Regular packet is assigned a packet number
   by the sender.  The first packet sent by an endpoint MUST have a packet number
   of 1.
 
-* AEAD Data: A Regular packet's header, which includes the Common Header, and
-  the Version, Diversification Nonce, and Packet Number fields, is authenticated
+* AEAD Data: A Regular packet's Common Header and fields are authenticated,

In addition to the suggested change above, I would change this to: "A Regular packet's header fields, including the Common Header, are authenticated but not encrypted."

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  * Packet Number: The lower 8, 16, 32, or 48 bits of the packet number, based on
   the PACKET_NUMBER_SIZE flag.  Each Regular packet is assigned a packet number
   by the sender.  The first packet sent by an endpoint MUST have a packet number
   of 1.
 
-* AEAD Data: A Regular packet's header, which includes the Common Header, and
-  the Version, Diversification Nonce, and Packet Number fields, is authenticated
+* AEAD Data: A Regular packet's Common Header and fields are authenticated,

This PR introduces it. The text currently is quite clear about what's authenticated and what's encrypted. This new text reads better, but confuses that point. I've suggested some mods.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-  * The 'SS' bits encode the length of the Stream ID header field as 8, 16, 24,
-    or 32 bits.  (DISCUSS: Consider making this 8, 16, 32, 64.)
+The STREAM frame payload contains the following fields:

I don't think it makes sense to call this the payload. Why not just say "In addition to the Type byte, the STREAM frame contains the following fields"?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -943,47 +940,104 @@ The fields in the ACK frame are as follows:
 * Ack Delay: Time from when the largest acked, as indicated in the Largest Acked
   field, was received by this peer to when this ack was sent.
 
-* Ack Block Section:
+* Ack Block Section: Contains one or more blocks of packet numbers which have
+  been successfully received.  See {{ack-block-section}}.
+  
+* Timestamp Section: Contains zero or more timestamps reporting transit delay of

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-  * Ack Block Length (opt, repeated): An unsigned packet number delta that
-    indicates the number of contiguous packets being acked starting after the
-    end of the previous gap.  Along with the previous field, this field is
-    repeated "Num Blocks" times.
+### Timestamp Section {#timestamp-section}
+
+The Timestamp Section contains between zero and 255 measurements of packet
+delay. This information can be used by a sender to better estimate the RTT of
+the connection.

The timestamps are simply packet receive times as observed by the receiver, and are not packet transit times. How about something like: "... of packet receive time deltas. This information may be used by a sender to better estimate the RTT of the connection."

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  ~~~
 
-The fields in the BLOCKED frame are as follows:
-
-* Frame Type: The Frame Type byte is an 8-bit value that must be set to 0x05
-  indicating that this is a BLOCKED frame.
+The BLOCKED frame payload contains a single field:

I would avoid saying "payload" here -- the BLOCKED frame has no payload really.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-~~~
-   +--------+
-   |  0x00  |
-   +--------+
-~~~
+The PADDING frame pads a packet with 0x00 bytes. When this frame is encountered,

For parity with other frames, perhaps add "(type = 0x00)" here

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COPT is apparently repeated, once for each option.

One thing that TLS implementations do is validate that there is only one instance of each extension. This isn't possible for transport parameters if we require that COPT be used for a list of options.

Also, we can reduce the number of extension points in the protocol, we shouldn't pack a list of options into COPT when we have transport parameters for that.

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Note: If there are values for connection options that should be included in the base specification, each need to be raised separately.

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-transport currently has a TODO regarding the encoding of a source address token.

I would contend that we don't need to fix this. This is a protocol from the server to the server.

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QUIC currently has the ability to embed this in the source address token. I guess that this is primarily because they both happen at the same time (during a stateless reject).

We could turn this into a transport parameter, I guess, but that doesn't work for HelloRetryRequest.

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_586ccbecc4b93_63fa3fac7114113c64352"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2017 10:18:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_586ccbecc4b93_63fa3fac7114113c64352 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/source_address_token Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 88cbd87e52e830ab68022f6ca3610ceed86e6ecb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/88cbd87e52e830ab68022f6ca3610ceed86e6ecb Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-04 (Wed, 04 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add definition of transport parameters to -transport Commit: 8bfa10a22628db5964a611d7d11e2801c5088a78 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8bfa10a22628db5964a611d7d11e2801c5088a78 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-04 (Wed, 04 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Rewrite the section on source address tokens for TLS Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/88cbd87e52e8^...8bfa10a22628 ----==_mimepart_586ccbecc4b93_63fa3fac7114113c64352-- From nobody Wed Jan 4 02:19:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C958F129418 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2017 02:19:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.997 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.997 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fesvtr1S7zmR for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2017 02:18:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 839FF128DF6 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2017 02:18:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=8pBiaq7MpgFPV7entfbunZaJM6w=; b=all02Lne0cn3lXgK EXHVeArj0SR+ATxxnNmnWmnDApi/V0y1kIJa3UmCrwaQRhVbOJdWPj1c09Caaki5 8B7ppRaCOnjf4c03vvzhhJstpnK1TT6Hjbe3TkMO30U/rxLOrMXmKkzN0fcnpgkT Ajl3euZRLzx02sh6R26m4+AOe8Q= Received: by filter1088p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1088p1mdw1-16624-586CCC0F-20 2017-01-04 10:18:55.680394763 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id Dc5-1ip0QPiVdJsBAoy7rw for ; Wed, 04 Jan 2017 10:18:55.612 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2017 02:18:55 -0800 From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Source address token (#120) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_586ccc0f6140a_3c363fa307be113c939992"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0ErkK3TNmfAgPmKktRpr1vG4GVAZqPJlQzn0 24vUG389C8gazeJSFEn92Lcpeh/WKwOgHlxDkPO1mFRK47Uv+4Bzq+ulDJ+JJpMp0DIN346B4VCQ1k gKT3hkNFI0Zh86PwQTn7NF8kWsSwctOzaiAMnjgUndWAPkIZYi9NCzod6133Wd/ebrZlF7XMY3PAe0 Q= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2017 10:19:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_586ccc0f6140a_3c363fa307be113c939992 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm on the top of a large stack of changes now, and approaching saturation. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/120 -- Commit Summary -- * Big endian * Define version negotiation more thoroughly * Reserve space * not off * Add definition of transport parameters to -transport * Rewrite the section on source address tokens for TLS -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (425) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/120.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/120.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/120 ----==_mimepart_586ccc0f6140a_3c363fa307be113c939992 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm on the top of a large stack of changes now, and approaching saturation.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/120

Commit Summary

  • Big endian
  • Define version negotiation more thoroughly
  • Reserve space
  • not off
  • Add definition of transport parameters to -transport
  • Rewrite the section on source address tokens for TLS

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If we do this badly, there might be two versions of QUIC for which the transport parameters are confusable in a way that confounds the validation of version negotiation because the transport parameters are interpreted differently for different QUIC versions.

We need to write that into the security considerations. We might recommend preserving the initial part of the transport parameters extension, or - better yet - using a new extension codepoint when the format needs to change.

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Wed, 04 Jan 2017 10:36:27 -0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2017 02:36:27 -0800 From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <586cd02bab192_61473fa73e85f140426db@hookshot-fe3-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 79b347: Remove extra whitespace Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_586cd02baad3d_61473fa73e85f140425f7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2017 10:36:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_586cd02baad3d_61473fa73e85f140425f7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/transport_parameters_mt Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 79b34720e29fdb02ef5222ad6be9aea3e48863fc https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/79b34720e29fdb02ef5222ad6be9aea3e48863fc Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-04 (Wed, 04 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Remove extra whitespace Commit: 73e404c59323cb2c74260d82442bc189797f8deb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/73e404c59323cb2c74260d82442bc189797f8deb Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-04 (Wed, 04 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Define the extension in -tls Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/79b34720e29f^...73e404c59323 ----==_mimepart_586cd02baad3d_61473fa73e85f140425f7-- From nobody Wed Jan 4 02:39:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69DAE128DF6 for ; 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Wed, 04 Jan 2017 10:41:55 -0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2017 02:41:55 -0800 From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <586cd173565df_38b63ffd72b3f13c894db@hookshot-fe3-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] e5fdb3: Rewrite the section on source address tokens for T... 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I have stolen a lot of text from that. Again, it's the tippy top of a bunch of changes. #113 comes before this. Closes #99. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/122 -- Commit Summary -- * Big endian * Define version negotiation more thoroughly * Reserve space * not off * Add definition of transport parameters to -transport * Remove extra whitespace * Define the extension in -tls * Add a stub iana section, fix dead references -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (54) M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (377) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/122.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/122.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/122 ----==_mimepart_586cd1e19c9a5_6dae3fea6794113c3036a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This builds on @MikeBishop's work in #99 in a big way. I have stolen a lot of text from that.

Again, it's the tippy top of a bunch of changes. #113 comes before this.

Closes #99.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/122

Commit Summary

  • Big endian
  • Define version negotiation more thoroughly
  • Reserve space
  • not off
  • Add definition of transport parameters to -transport
  • Remove extra whitespace
  • Define the extension in -tls
  • Add a stub iana section, fix dead references

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I kind of disagree -- I was trying to keep anything TLS-specfic out of t= he Transport doc. Remember that QUIC doesn't know that the crypto protocol= is necessarily TLS. Defining that any handshake MUST be able to transport= a blob and then defining how TLS will transport the opaque data keeps the = components separate.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  * Packet Number: The lower 8, 16, 32, or 48 bits of the packet number, based on
   the PACKET_NUMBER_SIZE flag.  Each Regular packet is assigned a packet number
   by the sender.  The first packet sent by an endpoint MUST have a packet number
   of 1.
 
-* AEAD Data: A Regular packet's header, which includes the Common Header, and
-  the Version, Diversification Nonce, and Packet Number fields, is authenticated
+* AEAD Data: A Regular packet's Common Header and fields are authenticated,

Well, one of the (authenticated) fields contains ciphertext, which then contains frames.... I think that's a separate terminology issue than Martin's comment, isn't it?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-  * The 'SS' bits encode the length of the Stream ID header field as 8, 16, 24,
-    or 32 bits.  (DISCUSS: Consider making this 8, 16, 32, 64.)
+The STREAM frame payload contains the following fields:

We can phrase it either way, but I was trying to get a consistent usage that for both packets and frames, there's a type-independent envelope (which for frames is really thin) and a type-dependent payload.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  ~~~
 
-The fields in the BLOCKED frame are as follows:
-
-* Frame Type: The Frame Type byte is an 8-bit value that must be set to 0x05
-  indicating that this is a BLOCKED frame.
+The BLOCKED frame payload contains a single field:

Same comment -- let's agree on terminology first. Per the description at line 490, this is a payload. If we want a different term, let's sync on that first.

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in general moving information down the pipeline as fast as you can witho= ut creating a HoL-Blocking problem is a good strategy. The blocking problem= is the reason an H2 impl has to hold back data from TCP, and it would seem= to correlate somewhat to a congestion controller's desire to not create bu= ffering in the network (via crystal ball).

I think that argues for moving prio to the quic transport layer. mux wit= hout pri is indeed lame.. and quic wisely retransmits frames instead of pac= kets, so prio can play a role there if prio is part of the frame otherwise = this is all opaque to quic during retransmit.

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This takes a big step toward requiring the use of TLS (and therefore requiring a new full version of the QUIC spec to use anything else) rather than just defining a new version identifier to be QUIC + other-crypto-protocol and a document describing how the integration would work. I think either path is reasonable, but I had understood us to be on the latter path, and this PR changes that. That should probably be something the WG as a whole discusses in depth. > @@ -372,6 +404,33 @@ Check the flags in the common header ~~~ {: #packet-types title="Types of QUIC Packets"} + +### Handling Packets from Different Versions + +Version negotiation ({{version-negotiation}}) is performed using packets that +have the VERSION bit set. This bit is always set on packets that are sent prior +to connection establishment. When receiving a packet that is not associated +with an existing connection, packets without a VERSION bit MUST be discarded. + +While there might be similarities between different versions of this protocol, +implementations have to assume that a version that it does not support uses a +different packet format. + +Between different versions the following things are guaranteed to remain +constant are: Too many "are"s. > ## Crypto and Transport Handshake {#handshake} QUIC relies on a combined crypto and transport handshake to minimize connection -establishment latency. QUIC provides a dedicated stream (Stream ID 1) to be -used for performing a combined connection and security handshake (streams are -described in detail in {{streams}}). The crypto handshake protocol encapsulates -and delivers QUIC's transport handshake to the peer on the crypto stream. The -first QUIC packet from the client to the server MUST carry handshake information -as data on Stream ID 1. +establishment latency. QUIC allocates stream 1 for the cryptographic handshake, +which uses TLS. This seems to be explicitly rejecting the separation of a modular crypto protocol and a definition of how TLS is used as that module. We should discuss that change in the WG more generally. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/122#pullrequestreview-15167957 ----==_mimepart_586d40602442d_67e13fa8f6f19134376951 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

This takes a big step toward requiring the use of TLS (and therefore requiring a new full version of the QUIC spec to use anything else) rather than just defining a new version identifier to be QUIC + other-crypto-protocol and a document describing how the integration would work.

I think either path is reasonable, but I had understood us to be on the latter path, and this PR changes that. That should probably be something the WG as a whole discusses in depth.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -372,6 +404,33 @@ Check the flags in the common header
 ~~~
 {: #packet-types title="Types of QUIC Packets"}
 
+
+### Handling Packets from Different Versions
+
+Version negotiation ({{version-negotiation}}) is performed using packets that
+have the VERSION bit set.  This bit is always set on packets that are sent prior
+to connection establishment.  When receiving a packet that is not associated
+with an existing connection, packets without a VERSION bit MUST be discarded.
+
+While there might be similarities between different versions of this protocol,
+implementations have to assume that a version that it does not support uses a
+different packet format.
+
+Between different versions the following things are guaranteed to remain
+constant are:

Too many "are"s.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ## Crypto and Transport Handshake {#handshake}
 
 QUIC relies on a combined crypto and transport handshake to minimize connection
-establishment latency.  QUIC provides a dedicated stream (Stream ID 1) to be
-used for performing a combined connection and security handshake (streams are
-described in detail in {{streams}}).  The crypto handshake protocol encapsulates
-and delivers QUIC's transport handshake to the peer on the crypto stream.  The
-first QUIC packet from the client to the server MUST carry handshake information
-as data on Stream ID 1.
+establishment latency.  QUIC allocates stream 1 for the cryptographic handshake,
+which uses TLS.

This seems to be explicitly rejecting the separation of a modular crypto protocol and a definition of how TLS is used as that module. We should discuss that change in the WG more generally.

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Looks good, with a few nits. > -values specified in this document are in little-endian format and all field -sizes are in bits. +referenced in subsequent mechanisms. + +All values specified in this document are in big-endian format and all field +sizes are in bits. When discussing individual bits of fields, the least +significant bit is referred to as bit 0. Hexadecimal notation is used for +describing the value of fields. + + +## Versions + +QUIC versions are identified using a 32-bit value. + +The version 0x00000000 is reserved to represent an invalid version. This +version of the specification is identified by the number 0x00000001. I note, not as an objection, that I'll need to substantially change my Alt-Svc v= encoding to accommodate this format. Thanks. ;-) > +version of the specification is identified by the number 0x00000001. + +Versions with the most significant 16 bits of the version number cleared are +reserved for use in future IETF consensus documents. + +\[\[RFC editor: please remove the remainder of this section before +publication.]] + +The version number for the final version of this specification (0x00000001), is +reserved for the version of the protocol that is published as an RFC. + +Version numbers used to identify IETF drafts are created by adding the draft +number to 0xff000000. For example, draft-ietf-quic-transport-13 would be +identified as 0xff00000D. + +Versions of QUIC that are used for experimentation are coordinated on the Should we reserve a range for experimentation as well as suggesting where to coordinate? > -* If the client's version is not acceptable to the server, the server MUST send - a Version Negotiation packet to the client. This packet will have the VERSION - flag set and will include the server's set of supported versions. On - subsequently received packets for the same connection ID with the unacceptable - version, the server MUST continue responding with a Version Negotiation - packet. +If the packet contains a version that is acceptable to the server, the server +proceeds with the handshake ({{handshake}}). All subsequent packets sent by the +server MUST have the VERSION flag unset. This commits the server to the version +that the client selected. This seems somewhat contradictory to the text about server triggering Version Negotiation if the ALPN token and the selected version don't line up. The QUIC version may be acceptable, but the server and client have no mutual application protocols that allow it, for example. 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@MikeBishop approved this pull request.

Looks good, with a few nits.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -values specified in this document are in little-endian format and all field
-sizes are in bits.
+referenced in subsequent mechanisms.
+
+All values specified in this document are in big-endian format and all field
+sizes are in bits.  When discussing individual bits of fields, the least
+significant bit is referred to as bit 0.  Hexadecimal notation is used for
+describing the value of fields.
+
+
+## Versions
+
+QUIC versions are identified using a 32-bit value.
+
+The version 0x00000000 is reserved to represent an invalid version.  This
+version of the specification is identified by the number 0x00000001.

I note, not as an objection, that I'll need to substantially change my Alt-Svc v= encoding to accommodate this format. Thanks. ;-)

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +version of the specification is identified by the number 0x00000001.
+
+Versions with the most significant 16 bits of the version number cleared are
+reserved for use in future IETF consensus documents.
+
+\[\[RFC editor: please remove the remainder of this section before
+publication.]]
+
+The version number for the final version of this specification (0x00000001), is
+reserved for the version of the protocol that is published as an RFC.
+
+Version numbers used to identify IETF drafts are created by adding the draft
+number to 0xff000000.  For example, draft-ietf-quic-transport-13 would be
+identified as 0xff00000D.
+
+Versions of QUIC that are used for experimentation are coordinated on the

Should we reserve a range for experimentation as well as suggesting where to coordinate?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-* If the client's version is not acceptable to the server, the server MUST send
-  a Version Negotiation packet to the client.  This packet will have the VERSION
-  flag set and will include the server's set of supported versions.  On
-  subsequently received packets for the same connection ID with the unacceptable
-  version, the server MUST continue responding with a Version Negotiation
-  packet.
+If the packet contains a version that is acceptable to the server, the server
+proceeds with the handshake ({{handshake}}).  All subsequent packets sent by the
+server MUST have the VERSION flag unset.  This commits the server to the version
+that the client selected.

This seems somewhat contradictory to the text about server triggering Version Negotiation if the ALPN token and the selected version don't line up. The QUIC version may be acceptable, but the server and client have no mutual application protocols that allow it, for example.

The "verify that you would have sent that version list if offered this initial version" requirement gets into that, too.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  * Packet Number: The lower 8, 16, 32, or 48 bits of the packet number, based on
   the PACKET_NUMBER_SIZE flag.  Each Regular packet is assigned a packet number
   by the sender.  The first packet sent by an endpoint MUST have a packet number
   of 1.
 
-* AEAD Data: A Regular packet's header, which includes the Common Header, and
-  the Version, Diversification Nonce, and Packet Number fields, is authenticated
+* AEAD Data: A Regular packet's Common Header and fields are authenticated,

Apologies, yes, this is a separate issue from Martin's, but it was on the same proposed text change, so I tagged along.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-  * The 'SS' bits encode the length of the Stream ID header field as 8, 16, 24,
-    or 32 bits.  (DISCUSS: Consider making this 8, 16, 32, 64.)
+The STREAM frame payload contains the following fields:

I think it is a bit confusing to call the fields in the ACK frame the payload of the ACK frame, for instance. I think of it as every frame has a Type field and the rest of the frame is type-dependent fields. STREAM frames have a payload, but that's stream data.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  ~~~
 
-The fields in the BLOCKED frame are as follows:
-
-* Frame Type: The Frame Type byte is an 8-bit value that must be set to 0x05
-  indicating that this is a BLOCKED frame.
+The BLOCKED frame payload contains a single field:

Now that I understand what you were going for, I think the use of "payload" is perfectly accurate, but adds an unnecessary level of abstraction: we'll end up referring to "fields in the BLOCKED frame" anyways. In addition, we lose the ability to use "payload" for stream data that's carried within a STREAM frame. I'd prefer that we simply called it the frame's fields instead of the frame's payload.

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Merged #111.

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Reopened #28.

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@janaiyengar please don't close design issues, we need to complete the call for consensus.

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Ah, apologies. I thought we had already wrapped up the consensus call -- I merged the PR, which automagically closed the issue. I'm happy to revert the (now merged) PR if consensus changes.

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----==_mimepart_586ddce723656_155453fd52960d13096378-- From nobody Thu Jan 5 12:45:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D72129441 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2017 12:45:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y5mD0E95FcNJ for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2017 12:45:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59055129584 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2017 12:45:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2017 12:45:34 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1483649135; bh=cf3E6aiO3/Nl6hOQvgqVQcuBL4fYdrKIsauGI6LDY3A=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=H/j1x3/iX0RjLqw/t7BS1To+kb2dVOVEB9kgPfe+nY7l1KPu7DIigdRxzxwMXAoZo Das+kQbhzjfXUa8VClS1fjT0cAistHLoXJSiFDm0/17JNlq0VxJ6c66Z9zDsBKy0Ak ocITKbRKaLWxDmVn+ifnVEk2alpYLQi/1qKstZqU= From: janaiyengar To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] version negotiation isn't low latency, so remove it (#110) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_586eb06ef1f6f_166283fa77ad0b1302067e8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2017 20:45:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_586eb06ef1f6f_166283fa77ad0b1302067e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd like to leave the section there; I think it's fine to remove the "low-latency" part. As a transport protocol, QUIC supports version negotiation, which is a novelty among IETF transports. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/110#issuecomment-270752557 ----==_mimepart_586eb06ef1f6f_166283fa77ad0b1302067e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'd like to leave the section there; I think it's fine to remove the "low-latency" part. As a transport protocol, QUIC supports version negotiation, which is a novelty among IETF transports.

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Notes from discussion with Jana. > + +~~~ + 0 1 2 3 + 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +|[Num Blocks(8)]| First Ack Block Length (8/16/32/48) ... ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| [Gap 1 (8)] | [Ack Block 1 Length (8/16/32/48)] ... ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| [Gap 2 (8)] | [Ack Block 2 Length (8/16/32/48)] ... ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ + ... ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| [Gap N (8)] | [Ack Block N Length (8/16/32/48)] ... ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +~~~ Per Jana: Move numbers from each section into the fixed structure above. > - * Time Since Previous Timestamp (opt, repeated): An optional 16-bit unsigned - value specifying time delta from the previous reported timestamp. It is - encoded in the same format as the Ack Delay. Along with the previous field, - this field is repeated "Num Timestamps" times. +* First Timestamp (opt): An optional 32-bit unsigned value specifying the time Inconsistent use - First Timestamp vs. Time Since Largest Acked. Per discussion with Jana, this doesn't need to still be 32 bits; @janaiyengar will file issue to trim it down. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/103#pullrequestreview-15408111 ----==_mimepart_586eca77825bb_3edd3f95bd85d13429999b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Notes from discussion with Jana.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+~~~
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|[Num Blocks(8)]|      First Ack Block Length (8/16/32/48)    ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|  [Gap 1 (8)]  |       [Ack Block 1 Length (8/16/32/48)]     ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|  [Gap 2 (8)]  |       [Ack Block 2 Length (8/16/32/48)]     ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+                             ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|  [Gap N (8)]  |       [Ack Block N Length (8/16/32/48)]     ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~

Per Jana: Move numbers from each section into the fixed structure above.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-  * Time Since Previous Timestamp (opt, repeated): An optional 16-bit unsigned
-    value specifying time delta from the previous reported timestamp.  It is
-    encoded in the same format as the Ack Delay.  Along with the previous field,
-    this field is repeated "Num Timestamps" times.
+* First Timestamp (opt): An optional 32-bit unsigned value specifying the time

Inconsistent use - First Timestamp vs. Time Since Largest Acked. Per discussion with Jana, this doesn't need to still be 32 bits; @janaiyengar will file issue to trim it down.

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It may be possible to simplify the ACK frame, in particular, the timestamp section. We could conceivably make the "Time from Largest Acked" 16 bits, and simply have N-Timestamp-blocks, including this one. I think this is plausible.

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Jana's suggestion: Split this PR in two; the purely-editorial of moving to the different documents, and the substantive of the divided space / renumbering. Also, congestion control doesn't need its own space.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-* 0x02: QUIC_STREAM_DATA_AFTER_TERMINATION.  (There were data frames after the a
-  fin or reset.)
+0x8000-0xAFFF:
+: Loss-detection and congestion control error codes.  Defined by the
+  loss-detection and congestion control algorithm currently in use.

I don't think we need this fragment of error codes.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 COMPRESSION_ERROR (0x9):
-: QUIC_DECOMPRESSION_FAILURE (not currently defined in core spec)
+: HTTP_HPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILEDin {{http-error-codes}}.

Nit: "_FAILED in"

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +version of the specification is identified by the number 0x00000001.
+
+Versions with the most significant 16 bits of the version number cleared are
+reserved for use in future IETF consensus documents.
+
+\[\[RFC editor: please remove the remainder of this section before
+publication.]]
+
+The version number for the final version of this specification (0x00000001), is
+reserved for the version of the protocol that is published as an RFC.
+
+Version numbers used to identify IETF drafts are created by adding the draft
+number to 0xff000000.  For example, draft-ietf-quic-transport-13 would be
+identified as 0xff00000D.
+
+Versions of QUIC that are used for experimentation are coordinated on the

The thought was that the remainder of the space is for experimentation. See also RFC 6648.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-* If the client's version is not acceptable to the server, the server MUST send
-  a Version Negotiation packet to the client.  This packet will have the VERSION
-  flag set and will include the server's set of supported versions.  On
-  subsequently received packets for the same connection ID with the unacceptable
-  version, the server MUST continue responding with a Version Negotiation
-  packet.
+If the packet contains a version that is acceptable to the server, the server
+proceeds with the handshake ({{handshake}}).  All subsequent packets sent by the
+server MUST have the VERSION flag unset.  This commits the server to the version
+that the client selected.

Yeah, I have a separate change that removes the text on triggering version negotiation based on the ALPN token. This is simpler: negotiate a quic version, then negotiate an application protocol based on what is permitted within QUIC.

I haven't done a thorough analysis of what effect that has on the downgrade situation though. So there might be some potential avenues of attack on the unauthenticated part of the negotiation. My hope is that the version fields we've got in the transport parameters will detect those sorts of attack, but I'm not sure yet.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
-On receipt of this header, a client may attempt to establish a QUIC connection
-on port 443 and, if successful, send HTTP requests using the mapping described
-in this document.
+This document defines the "v" parameter for Alt-Svc, which is used to provide
+version-negotiation hints to HTTP/QUIC clients. Syntax:
+
+    v = quoted-versions
+    quoted-versions = DQUOTE *( version-string "," ) version-string DQUOTE
+    version-string = token; percent-encoded QUIC version
+
+For example, if a server supported both version Q033 and Q034 it would specify
+the following header:
+
+    Alt-Svc: hq=":443"; v="Q034,Q033"

A note to discuss version representation:

You have a character string, I chose to go with just numbers. Both have merits. Numbers are simpler, but potentially longer (hexadecimal saves a few octets for larger values if you want to go there), but a four character string can be quite friendly. You have to pick the right values though or you get a mash of %xx strings.

Alt-Svc: hq=":443;v=<version>;v=<version> might be better than creating a micro-syntax for the list. See also httpwg/http-extensions#281

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----==_mimepart_586eebc82a38c_7a493fc85f6cf13036945d-- From nobody Thu Jan 5 16:59:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6445F1297CD for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2017 16:59:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.519 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.519 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ADKuXAmiRAtZ for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2017 16:59:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15E461297CA for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2017 16:59:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2017 16:59:13 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1483664353; bh=PkBix5Zd+GFI2R8Oz54Mlsm6sEAp72h3I8dovevOulY=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=0CKwAGl/igcSWfAaqyB1lZlbC+Bk786LWUhaYLg3lW/6lI3F3/nDkcfDz/EjlzgnS rBJXS3aqmxReEOrRVtZP/4D9oNLNKI6cRS9mOG/wo+BEgI70DNqyDB4ifrtI3RNGd2 zpxCG3k/oE6L+bOw0+6IPjgH2gq+aZudelJR/Ork= From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Version numbers (#113) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_586eebe120941_10063fa938c6f1302035e5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 00:59:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_586eebe120941_10063fa938c6f1302035e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > -values specified in this document are in little-endian format and all field -sizes are in bits. +referenced in subsequent mechanisms. + +All values specified in this document are in big-endian format and all field +sizes are in bits. When discussing individual bits of fields, the least +significant bit is referred to as bit 0. Hexadecimal notation is used for +describing the value of fields. + + +## Versions + +QUIC versions are identified using a 32-bit value. + +The version 0x00000000 is reserved to represent an invalid version. This +version of the specification is identified by the number 0x00000001. Oh, I see, you have chosen to represent the version as a string rather than a number. I was just copying what Jana had in his proposal, I didn't think to check what you had in your example. I have a slight preference for the simplicity of numbers here, but there are some aesthetic advantages of what you have. I've put some more comments over there. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/113 ----==_mimepart_586eebe120941_10063fa938c6f1302035e5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -values specified in this document are in little-endian format and all field
-sizes are in bits.
+referenced in subsequent mechanisms.
+
+All values specified in this document are in big-endian format and all field
+sizes are in bits.  When discussing individual bits of fields, the least
+significant bit is referred to as bit 0.  Hexadecimal notation is used for
+describing the value of fields.
+
+
+## Versions
+
+QUIC versions are identified using a 32-bit value.
+
+The version 0x00000000 is reserved to represent an invalid version.  This
+version of the specification is identified by the number 0x00000001.

Oh, I see, you have chosen to represent the version as a string rather than a number. I was just copying what Jana had in his proposal, I didn't think to check what you had in your example. I have a slight preference for the simplicity of numbers here, but there are some aesthetic advantages of what you have. I've put some more comments over there.

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Actually, I made that comment without really reading what you had done. I prefer this structure. I've built on and fleshed it out more in #122.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ## Crypto and Transport Handshake {#handshake}
 
 QUIC relies on a combined crypto and transport handshake to minimize connection
-establishment latency.  QUIC provides a dedicated stream (Stream ID 1) to be
-used for performing a combined connection and security handshake (streams are
-described in detail in {{streams}}).  The crypto handshake protocol encapsulates
-and delivers QUIC's transport handshake to the peer on the crypto stream.  The
-first QUIC packet from the client to the server MUST carry handshake information
-as data on Stream ID 1.
+establishment latency.  QUIC allocates stream 1 for the cryptographic handshake,
+which uses TLS.

Sure, the principle I'm operating on here is that this version of quic uses TLS. That doesn't preclude the use of other cryptographic handshake protocols for other versions. Given that no other alternative exists, building in the ability to change out this piece of the protocol doesn't seem worth the additional effort.

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I think that the text is problematic if it remains. You can say that it= has version negotiation, but that doesn't need explanatory text.

For instance, this is not an unqualified advantage: "incentivizes server= s to not lag behind clients in deployment of newer versions". That says to= servers that they have to keep up with Google if I want to get the latency= benefits of the protocol (at least for first-time connections).

I'll open a separate PR for the text.

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Is there the potential for a version downgrade if the client is given unauthenticated hints about the version(s) that the server supports?

It's true that Alt-Svc will be authenticated in MOST cases, so maybe we don't have to worry about this. On the other hand, it creates problems for analyzing the security properties of the negotiation. I would suggest that we should insist that the Alt-Svc advertisement be authenticated before using any hints.

That could rule out the DNS as a source of version hints.

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Thanks much for the work! I agree with Mike's comment. I think the intended goal for this document was to keep it independent of TLS, though the wg was clearly chartered to only work on TLS. > @@ -298,6 +298,28 @@ significant bit is referred to as bit 0. Hexadecimal notation is used for describing the value of fields. +## Versions I think this belongs in its own section, outside "Packet Types and Formats," since it applies to the entire document, and is independent of Packet Types. > @@ -376,6 +401,33 @@ Check the flags in the common header ~~~ {: #packet-types title="Types of QUIC Packets"} + +### Handling Packets from Different Versions + +Version negotiation ({{version-negotiation}}) is performed using packets that +have the VERSION bit set. This bit is always set on packets that are sent prior +to connection establishment. When receiving a packet that is not associated +with an existing connection, packets without a VERSION bit MUST be discarded. + +While there might be similarities between different versions of this protocol, +implementations have to assume that a version that it does not support uses a Suggest removing the clause "While there might be similarities between different versions of this protocol" > + +Version negotiation ({{version-negotiation}}) is performed using packets that +have the VERSION bit set. This bit is always set on packets that are sent prior +to connection establishment. When receiving a packet that is not associated +with an existing connection, packets without a VERSION bit MUST be discarded. + +While there might be similarities between different versions of this protocol, +implementations have to assume that a version that it does not support uses a +different packet format. + +Between different versions the following things are guaranteed to remain +constant are: + +* the location and size of the Flags field, + +* the location and value of the VERSION bit in the Flags field, Not sure what it means to say that "the value of the VERSION bit" is "guaranteed to remain constant". I think location is adequate. > +have the VERSION bit set. This bit is always set on packets that are sent prior +to connection establishment. When receiving a packet that is not associated +with an existing connection, packets without a VERSION bit MUST be discarded. + +While there might be similarities between different versions of this protocol, +implementations have to assume that a version that it does not support uses a +different packet format. + +Between different versions the following things are guaranteed to remain +constant are: + +* the location and size of the Flags field, + +* the location and value of the VERSION bit in the Flags field, + +* the existence of a 64-bit field following the Flags field, and Connection ID is an optional field, so its existence is not guaranteed. Suggestion: "the location and size of the Connection ID field" seems adequate. > @@ -575,47 +627,41 @@ QUIC's connection establishment begins with version negotiation, since all communication between the endpoints, including packet and frame formats, relies on the two endpoints agreeing on a version. -A QUIC connection begins with a client sending a handshake packet. The details -of the handshake mechanisms are described in {{handshake}}, but all of the -initial packets sent from the client to the server MUST have the VERSION flag -set, and MUST specify the version of the protocol being used. +A QUIC connection begins with a client sending a handshake packet. Until the +cryptographic handshake ({{handshake}}) produces 1-RTT keys, packets sent by a +client MUST include the version in the packet header. This allows the server to +identify early packets and to enable version negotiation. By "early packets", do you mean 0-RTT data? This would be a significant change. This bit is not intended to be conflated with 0-RTT data. The version bit is only set until the client hears back from the server with the version bit off, so generally, the first RTT, but it does not directly have anything to do with 1-RTT or 0-RTT keys. (In Google QUIC without Stateless Rejects, the first RTT of a cold connect would have no server config, and the second RTT would carry a fully formed CHLO with 0-RTT data, encrypted using 1-RTT keys. Version negotiation however would have completed during the first RTT.) > -* If the client's version is not acceptable to the server, the server MUST send - a Version Negotiation packet to the client. This packet will have the VERSION - flag set and will include the server's set of supported versions. On - subsequently received packets for the same connection ID with the unacceptable - version, the server MUST continue responding with a Version Negotiation - packet. +If the packet contains a version that is acceptable to the server, the server For parity with para above, use "If the version selected by the client is acceptable to the server". (It's also confusing because "the packet" reads as though it's referring to the version negotiation packet.) > When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet from the server, it should select an acceptable protocol version. If such a version is found, the client MUST resend all packets using the new version, and the resent packets MUST use new packet numbers. These packets MUST continue to have the VERSION flag set and MUST include the new negotiated protocol version. -The client MUST send its version on all packets until it receives a packet from -the server with the VERSION flag off. If version negotiation is successful, the -client should receive a packet from the server with the VERSION flag off -indicating the end of version negotiation. All subsequent packets the client -sends MUST have the version flag off. - -Once the server receives a packet from the client with the VERSION flag off, it -MUST ignore the VERSION flag in subsequently received packets. +The client MUST include its selected version on all packets until it starts +protecting packets with 1-RTT keys. Only unprotected packets and 0-RTT +protected packets can include a version. A client MUST NOT change the version +it uses unless it is in response to a version negotiation packet from the +server. As noted above, this is a function change, and I'm not sure that it's warranted. It's reasonable for TLS 1.3 (I think), but it's not required at all for version negotiation. > ## Crypto and Transport Handshake {#handshake} QUIC relies on a combined crypto and transport handshake to minimize connection -establishment latency. QUIC provides a dedicated stream (Stream ID 1) to be -used for performing a combined connection and security handshake (streams are -described in detail in {{streams}}). The crypto handshake protocol encapsulates -and delivers QUIC's transport handshake to the peer on the crypto stream. The -first QUIC packet from the client to the server MUST carry handshake information -as data on Stream ID 1. +establishment latency. QUIC allocates stream 1 for the cryptographic handshake, +which uses TLS. I don't believe that the goal was to have TLS be baked into this version of QUIC. There's no reason this version of QUIC cannot work with a future version of TLS and/or a different crypto mechanism. The reason that no alternative exists at the moment is because the wg is scoped to be only working on TLS, similar to the wg working only on HTTP as an application. > -#### Encoding +: The initial stream level flow control parameter is encoded as an unsigned + 32-bit integer. The sender of this parameter indicates that the flow control + offset for all stream data sent toward it is this value. nit: "... initial flow control offset ..." > -#### Encoding +: The initial stream level flow control parameter is encoded as an unsigned nit: "The stream-level flow control ..." (remove "initial". I think stream-level and connection-level should be hyphenated) > -QUIC encodes the transport parameters and options as tag-value pairs, all as -7-bit ASCII strings. QUIC parameter tags are listed below. +: The connection level flow control parameter contains the initial connection For readability, frame this and the stream flow control sentence (para above) similarly. > -QUIC encodes the transport parameters and options as tag-value pairs, all as -7-bit ASCII strings. QUIC parameter tags are listed below. +: The connection level flow control parameter contains the initial connection + flow control window encoded as an unsigned 32-bit integer. The sender of this + parameter sets the byte offset for connection level flow control to this This isn't an "offset"... suggested mod: "The sender of this parameter indicates that the total data on all streams sent toward it must not exceed this initial value." > -#### Encoding +: The initial stream level flow control parameter is encoded as an unsigned + 32-bit integer. The sender of this parameter indicates that the flow control + offset for all stream data sent toward it is this value. This is per-stream. Perhaps something like: "The sender of this parameter indicates that the initial flow control offset for data sent toward it on any stream is this value." > -* TCID: Indicates support for truncated Connection IDs. If sent by a peer, - indicates that connection IDs sent to the peer should be truncated to 0 bytes. - This is expected to commonly be used by an endpoint where the 5-tuple is - sufficient to identify a connection. For instance, if the 5-tuple is unique - at the client, the client MAY send a TCID parameter to the server. When a - TCID parameter is received, an endpoint MAY choose to not send the connection - ID on subsequent packets. +: The truncated connection identifier parameter indicates that packets sent to + the peer can omit the connection ID. This can be used by an endpoint where "sent to the peer" --> "sent to the endpoint" (since line 781 says "An endpoint MAY use the following transport parameters" > -* TCID: Indicates support for truncated Connection IDs. If sent by a peer, - indicates that connection IDs sent to the peer should be truncated to 0 bytes. - This is expected to commonly be used by an endpoint where the 5-tuple is - sufficient to identify a connection. For instance, if the 5-tuple is unique - at the client, the client MAY send a TCID parameter to the server. When a - TCID parameter is received, an endpoint MAY choose to not send the connection - ID on subsequent packets. +: The truncated connection identifier parameter indicates that packets sent to + the peer can omit the connection ID. This can be used by an endpoint where "can omit" --> "MAY omit" > +problems, particularly with respect to transport parameters that establish +limits: + +* A client might exceed a newly declared connection or stream flow control limit + with 0-RTT data. If this occurs, the client ceases transmission as though the + flow control limit was reached. Once WINDOW_UPDATE frames indicating an + increase to the affected flow control offsets is received, the client can + recommence sending. + +* Similarly, a client might exceed the concurrent stream limit declared by the + server. A client MUST reset any streams that exceed this connection. A + server MAY reset these streams. + +A client cannot use or rely upon any other transport parameter that was enabled +in a previous connection. This includes those defined in this document. A +client MUST assume that the transport parameter was absent, unless the Are you saying that it's ok for the client to cache and use flow control limits and stream limits from a previous connection, but not other params? That seems reasonable to me, but I'd make that more explicit. > +* Similarly, a client might exceed the concurrent stream limit declared by the + server. A client MUST reset any streams that exceed this connection. A + server MAY reset these streams. + +A client cannot use or rely upon any other transport parameter that was enabled +in a previous connection. This includes those defined in this document. A +client MUST assume that the transport parameter was absent, unless the +definition of a transport parameter provides explicit rules for use of the +option in 0-RTT. + + +### New Transport Parameters + +An endpoint MUST ignore transport parameters that it does not support. + +The definition of new transport parameters can be used to negotiate new protocol Nit: "The definition of new transport parameters can be used..." --> "New transport parameters can be used..." > +A client cannot use or rely upon any other transport parameter that was enabled +in a previous connection. This includes those defined in this document. A +client MUST assume that the transport parameter was absent, unless the +definition of a transport parameter provides explicit rules for use of the +option in 0-RTT. + + +### New Transport Parameters + +An endpoint MUST ignore transport parameters that it does not support. + +The definition of new transport parameters can be used to negotiate new protocol +behavior. Endpoints that support features that deviate from this specification +MUST assume that a peer will operate as described in this document unless it +provides an explicit signal of support. A new transport parameter could be used +to provide this signal. Suggestion: I don't think the last two sentences add any value. I would remove them and combine this para with the previous one: "New transport parameters can be used to negotiate new protocol behavior. An endpoint MUST ignore transport parameters that it does not support." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

Thanks much for the work! I agree with Mike's comment. I think the intended goal for this document was to keep it independent of TLS, though the wg was clearly chartered to only work on TLS.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -298,6 +298,28 @@ significant bit is referred to as bit 0.  Hexadecimal notation is used for
 describing the value of fields.
 
 
+## Versions

I think this belongs in its own section, outside "Packet Types and Formats," since it applies to the entire document, and is independent of Packet Types.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -376,6 +401,33 @@ Check the flags in the common header
 ~~~
 {: #packet-types title="Types of QUIC Packets"}
 
+
+### Handling Packets from Different Versions
+
+Version negotiation ({{version-negotiation}}) is performed using packets that
+have the VERSION bit set.  This bit is always set on packets that are sent prior
+to connection establishment.  When receiving a packet that is not associated
+with an existing connection, packets without a VERSION bit MUST be discarded.
+
+While there might be similarities between different versions of this protocol,
+implementations have to assume that a version that it does not support uses a

Suggest removing the clause "While there might be similarities between different versions of this protocol"

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+Version negotiation ({{version-negotiation}}) is performed using packets that
+have the VERSION bit set.  This bit is always set on packets that are sent prior
+to connection establishment.  When receiving a packet that is not associated
+with an existing connection, packets without a VERSION bit MUST be discarded.
+
+While there might be similarities between different versions of this protocol,
+implementations have to assume that a version that it does not support uses a
+different packet format.
+
+Between different versions the following things are guaranteed to remain
+constant are:
+
+* the location and size of the Flags field,
+
+* the location and value of the VERSION bit in the Flags field,

Not sure what it means to say that "the value of the VERSION bit" is "guaranteed to remain constant". I think location is adequate.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +have the VERSION bit set.  This bit is always set on packets that are sent prior
+to connection establishment.  When receiving a packet that is not associated
+with an existing connection, packets without a VERSION bit MUST be discarded.
+
+While there might be similarities between different versions of this protocol,
+implementations have to assume that a version that it does not support uses a
+different packet format.
+
+Between different versions the following things are guaranteed to remain
+constant are:
+
+* the location and size of the Flags field,
+
+* the location and value of the VERSION bit in the Flags field,
+
+* the existence of a 64-bit field following the Flags field, and

Connection ID is an optional field, so its existence is not guaranteed. Suggestion: "the location and size of the Connection ID field" seems adequate.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -575,47 +627,41 @@ QUIC's connection establishment begins with version negotiation, since all
 communication between the endpoints, including packet and frame formats, relies
 on the two endpoints agreeing on a version.
 
-A QUIC connection begins with a client sending a handshake packet. The details
-of the handshake mechanisms are described in {{handshake}}, but all of the
-initial packets sent from the client to the server MUST have the VERSION flag
-set, and MUST specify the version of the protocol being used.
+A QUIC connection begins with a client sending a handshake packet. Until the
+cryptographic handshake ({{handshake}}) produces 1-RTT keys, packets sent by a
+client MUST include the version in the packet header.  This allows the server to
+identify early packets and to enable version negotiation.

By "early packets", do you mean 0-RTT data? This would be a significant change. This bit is not intended to be conflated with 0-RTT data. The version bit is only set until the client hears back from the server with the version bit off, so generally, the first RTT, but it does not directly have anything to do with 1-RTT or 0-RTT keys. (In Google QUIC without Stateless Rejects, the first RTT of a cold connect would have no server config, and the second RTT would carry a fully formed CHLO with 0-RTT data, encrypted using 1-RTT keys. Version negotiation however would have completed during the first RTT.)

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-* If the client's version is not acceptable to the server, the server MUST send
-  a Version Negotiation packet to the client.  This packet will have the VERSION
-  flag set and will include the server's set of supported versions.  On
-  subsequently received packets for the same connection ID with the unacceptable
-  version, the server MUST continue responding with a Version Negotiation
-  packet.
+If the packet contains a version that is acceptable to the server, the server

For parity with para above, use "If the version selected by the client is acceptable to the server". (It's also confusing because "the packet" reads as though it's referring to the version negotiation packet.)

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet from the server, it should
 select an acceptable protocol version.  If such a version is found, the client
 MUST resend all packets using the new version, and the resent packets MUST use
 new packet numbers.  These packets MUST continue to have the VERSION flag set
 and MUST include the new negotiated protocol version.
 
-The client MUST send its version on all packets until it receives a packet from
-the server with the VERSION flag off.  If version negotiation is successful, the
-client should receive a packet from the server with the VERSION flag off
-indicating the end of version negotiation.  All subsequent packets the client
-sends MUST have the version flag off.
-
-Once the server receives a packet from the client with the VERSION flag off, it
-MUST ignore the VERSION flag in subsequently received packets.
+The client MUST include its selected version on all packets until it starts
+protecting packets with 1-RTT keys.  Only unprotected packets and 0-RTT
+protected packets can include a version.  A client MUST NOT change the version
+it uses unless it is in response to a version negotiation packet from the
+server.

As noted above, this is a function change, and I'm not sure that it's warranted. It's reasonable for TLS 1.3 (I think), but it's not required at all for version negotiation.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ## Crypto and Transport Handshake {#handshake}
 
 QUIC relies on a combined crypto and transport handshake to minimize connection
-establishment latency.  QUIC provides a dedicated stream (Stream ID 1) to be
-used for performing a combined connection and security handshake (streams are
-described in detail in {{streams}}).  The crypto handshake protocol encapsulates
-and delivers QUIC's transport handshake to the peer on the crypto stream.  The
-first QUIC packet from the client to the server MUST carry handshake information
-as data on Stream ID 1.
+establishment latency.  QUIC allocates stream 1 for the cryptographic handshake,
+which uses TLS.

I don't believe that the goal was to have TLS be baked into this version of QUIC. There's no reason this version of QUIC cannot work with a future version of TLS and/or a different crypto mechanism. The reason that no alternative exists at the moment is because the wg is scoped to be only working on TLS, similar to the wg working only on HTTP as an application.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-#### Encoding
+: The initial stream level flow control parameter is encoded as an unsigned
+  32-bit integer.  The sender of this parameter indicates that the flow control
+  offset for all stream data sent toward it is this value.

nit: "... initial flow control offset ..."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-#### Encoding
+: The initial stream level flow control parameter is encoded as an unsigned

nit: "The stream-level flow control ..." (remove "initial". I think stream-level and connection-level should be hyphenated)

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-QUIC encodes the transport parameters and options as tag-value pairs, all as
-7-bit ASCII strings.  QUIC parameter tags are listed below.
+: The connection level flow control parameter contains the initial connection

For readability, frame this and the stream flow control sentence (para above) similarly.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-QUIC encodes the transport parameters and options as tag-value pairs, all as
-7-bit ASCII strings.  QUIC parameter tags are listed below.
+: The connection level flow control parameter contains the initial connection
+  flow control window encoded as an unsigned 32-bit integer.  The sender of this
+  parameter sets the byte offset for connection level flow control to this

This isn't an "offset"... suggested mod: "The sender of this parameter indicates that the total data on all streams sent toward it must not exceed this initial value."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-#### Encoding
+: The initial stream level flow control parameter is encoded as an unsigned
+  32-bit integer.  The sender of this parameter indicates that the flow control
+  offset for all stream data sent toward it is this value.

This is per-stream. Perhaps something like: "The sender of this parameter indicates that the initial flow control offset for data sent toward it on any stream is this value."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-* TCID: Indicates support for truncated Connection IDs.  If sent by a peer,
-  indicates that connection IDs sent to the peer should be truncated to 0 bytes.
-  This is expected to commonly be used by an endpoint where the 5-tuple is
-  sufficient to identify a connection.  For instance, if the 5-tuple is unique
-  at the client, the client MAY send a TCID parameter to the server.  When a
-  TCID parameter is received, an endpoint MAY choose to not send the connection
-  ID on subsequent packets.
+: The truncated connection identifier parameter indicates that packets sent to
+  the peer can omit the connection ID.  This can be used by an endpoint where

"sent to the peer" --> "sent to the endpoint" (since line 781 says "An endpoint MAY use the following transport parameters"

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-* TCID: Indicates support for truncated Connection IDs.  If sent by a peer,
-  indicates that connection IDs sent to the peer should be truncated to 0 bytes.
-  This is expected to commonly be used by an endpoint where the 5-tuple is
-  sufficient to identify a connection.  For instance, if the 5-tuple is unique
-  at the client, the client MAY send a TCID parameter to the server.  When a
-  TCID parameter is received, an endpoint MAY choose to not send the connection
-  ID on subsequent packets.
+: The truncated connection identifier parameter indicates that packets sent to
+  the peer can omit the connection ID.  This can be used by an endpoint where

"can omit" --> "MAY omit"

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +problems, particularly with respect to transport parameters that establish
+limits:
+
+* A client might exceed a newly declared connection or stream flow control limit
+  with 0-RTT data.  If this occurs, the client ceases transmission as though the
+  flow control limit was reached.  Once WINDOW_UPDATE frames indicating an
+  increase to the affected flow control offsets is received, the client can
+  recommence sending.
+
+* Similarly, a client might exceed the concurrent stream limit declared by the
+  server.  A client MUST reset any streams that exceed this connection.  A
+  server MAY reset these streams.
+
+A client cannot use or rely upon any other transport parameter that was enabled
+in a previous connection.  This includes those defined in this document.  A
+client MUST assume that the transport parameter was absent, unless the

Are you saying that it's ok for the client to cache and use flow control limits and stream limits from a previous connection, but not other params? That seems reasonable to me, but I'd make that more explicit.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +* Similarly, a client might exceed the concurrent stream limit declared by the
+  server.  A client MUST reset any streams that exceed this connection.  A
+  server MAY reset these streams.
+
+A client cannot use or rely upon any other transport parameter that was enabled
+in a previous connection.  This includes those defined in this document.  A
+client MUST assume that the transport parameter was absent, unless the
+definition of a transport parameter provides explicit rules for use of the
+option in 0-RTT.
+
+
+### New Transport Parameters
+
+An endpoint MUST ignore transport parameters that it does not support.
+
+The definition of new transport parameters can be used to negotiate new protocol

Nit: "The definition of new transport parameters can be used..." --> "New transport parameters can be used..."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +A client cannot use or rely upon any other transport parameter that was enabled
+in a previous connection.  This includes those defined in this document.  A
+client MUST assume that the transport parameter was absent, unless the
+definition of a transport parameter provides explicit rules for use of the
+option in 0-RTT.
+
+
+### New Transport Parameters
+
+An endpoint MUST ignore transport parameters that it does not support.
+
+The definition of new transport parameters can be used to negotiate new protocol
+behavior.  Endpoints that support features that deviate from this specification
+MUST assume that a peer will operate as described in this document unless it
+provides an explicit signal of support.  A new transport parameter could be used
+to provide this signal.

Suggestion: I don't think the last two sentences add any value. I would remove them and combine this para with the previous one: "New transport parameters can be used to negotiate new protocol behavior. An endpoint MUST ignore transport parameters that it does not support."

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  * Packet Number: The lower 8, 16, 32, or 48 bits of the packet number, based on
   the PACKET_NUMBER_SIZE flag.  Each Regular packet is assigned a packet number
   by the sender.  The first packet sent by an endpoint MUST have a packet number
   of 1.
 
-* AEAD Data: A Regular packet's header, which includes the Common Header, and
-  the Version, Diversification Nonce, and Packet Number fields, is authenticated
+* AEAD Data: A Regular packet's Common Header and fields are authenticated,

A Regular packet's header fields, including the Common Header, are authenticated but not encrypted.

That would be incorrect.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  * Packet Number: The lower 8, 16, 32, or 48 bits of the packet number, based on
   the PACKET_NUMBER_SIZE flag.  Each Regular packet is assigned a packet number
   by the sender.  The first packet sent by an endpoint MUST have a packet number
   of 1.
 
-* AEAD Data: A Regular packet's header, which includes the Common Header, and
-  the Version, Diversification Nonce, and Packet Number fields, is authenticated
+* AEAD Data: A Regular packet's Common Header and fields are authenticated,

I should expand on that a little:

Regular (ugh, that name has to change) packets aren't always protected. When they are, the header fields are not protected at all. However, I believe that the values that are present do not require protection. Outside of 0-RTT, the only fields that need to be protected are the flags field, the connection ID and the packet number.

Connection ID is easy not to authenticate, it just tells you which key to use. Change it and you are guaranteed (or at least with astonishingly high probability) to get the wrong keys.

Packet number is input to the nonce, so that's covered.

Of the flags, the only relevant one is KEY_PHASE, which tells the receiver which key to use (see connection ID). The packet number size bits are subsumed by the packet number. I have no idea what the multipath bit might do. Public reset and version don't appear on regular packets with one exception. Version does appear on 0-RTT packets, but it serves the same purpose as KEY_PHASE there.

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It could be even simpler if you had a time since the last timestamp. Start with the timestamp of the largest acked, then each entry is the delta to the last. That gives you greater resolution overall.

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The use of Alt-Svc for negotiating QUIC would be in the HTTP mapping document, but this seems reasonable to me.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +have the VERSION bit set.  This bit is always set on packets that are sent prior
+to connection establishment.  When receiving a packet that is not associated
+with an existing connection, packets without a VERSION bit MUST be discarded.
+
+While there might be similarities between different versions of this protocol,
+implementations have to assume that a version that it does not support uses a
+different packet format.
+
+Between different versions the following things are guaranteed to remain
+constant are:
+
+* the location and size of the Flags field,
+
+* the location and value of the VERSION bit in the Flags field,
+
+* the existence of a 64-bit field following the Flags field, and

It's only optional AFTER version negotiation is possible.

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Version negotiation is novel in a transport protocol, but it's not the most important thing. 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Version negotiation is novel in a transport protocol, but it's not the most important thing. Also, we don't need to include a lot of details here. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/125 -- Commit Summary -- * Version negotiation isn't the MOST important feature -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (27) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/125.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/125.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/125 ----==_mimepart_586f026ab9904_4e073fbb598ff1342685a4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Let's try to keep the order of this section relevant. Version negotiation is
novel in a transport protocol, but it's not the most important thing. Also,
we don't need to include a lot of details here.

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The details -of the handshake mechanisms are described in {{handshake}}, but all of the -initial packets sent from the client to the server MUST have the VERSION flag -set, and MUST specify the version of the protocol being used. +A QUIC connection begins with a client sending a handshake packet. Until the +cryptographic handshake ({{handshake}}) produces 1-RTT keys, packets sent by a +client MUST include the version in the packet header. This allows the server to +identify early packets and to enable version negotiation. We had a long discussion about that in relation to the TLS draft. Most relevant is this comment from Dragana: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/43#discussion_r91596541 If I don't make this change, it isn't possible for the packet protection to work out which keys to use on a given packet. Yes, this is different from Google QUIC, but that's not a downside. Google QUIC relied very heavily on trial decryption. This change would mean no need for trial decryption at all. > When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet from the server, it should select an acceptable protocol version. If such a version is found, the client MUST resend all packets using the new version, and the resent packets MUST use new packet numbers. These packets MUST continue to have the VERSION flag set and MUST include the new negotiated protocol version. -The client MUST send its version on all packets until it receives a packet from -the server with the VERSION flag off. If version negotiation is successful, the -client should receive a packet from the server with the VERSION flag off -indicating the end of version negotiation. All subsequent packets the client -sends MUST have the version flag off. - -Once the server receives a packet from the client with the VERSION flag off, it -MUST ignore the VERSION flag in subsequently received packets. +The client MUST include its selected version on all packets until it starts +protecting packets with 1-RTT keys. Only unprotected packets and 0-RTT +protected packets can include a version. A client MUST NOT change the version +it uses unless it is in response to a version negotiation packet from the +server. This isn't specific to TLS 1.3, it's a property that is needed by any crypto protocol that needs to distinguish between the different types of keying material that is in use during the handshake. There are always unencrypted, replayable-protected, and fully-protected packets with a 0-RTT-capable protocol. If you accept that it is valuable to distinguish between those three types, you end up with this design. > +problems, particularly with respect to transport parameters that establish +limits: + +* A client might exceed a newly declared connection or stream flow control limit + with 0-RTT data. If this occurs, the client ceases transmission as though the + flow control limit was reached. Once WINDOW_UPDATE frames indicating an + increase to the affected flow control offsets is received, the client can + recommence sending. + +* Similarly, a client might exceed the concurrent stream limit declared by the + server. A client MUST reset any streams that exceed this connection. A + server MAY reset these streams. + +A client cannot use or rely upon any other transport parameter that was enabled +in a previous connection. This includes those defined in this document. A +client MUST assume that the transport parameter was absent, unless the Yeah, I need to rewrite this a little. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -575,47 +627,41 @@ QUIC's connection establishment begins with version negotiation, since all
 communication between the endpoints, including packet and frame formats, relies
 on the two endpoints agreeing on a version.
 
-A QUIC connection begins with a client sending a handshake packet. The details
-of the handshake mechanisms are described in {{handshake}}, but all of the
-initial packets sent from the client to the server MUST have the VERSION flag
-set, and MUST specify the version of the protocol being used.
+A QUIC connection begins with a client sending a handshake packet. Until the
+cryptographic handshake ({{handshake}}) produces 1-RTT keys, packets sent by a
+client MUST include the version in the packet header.  This allows the server to
+identify early packets and to enable version negotiation.

We had a long discussion about that in relation to the TLS draft. Most relevant is this comment from Dragana: #43 (comment) If I don't make this change, it isn't possible for the packet protection to work out which keys to use on a given packet.

Yes, this is different from Google QUIC, but that's not a downside. Google QUIC relied very heavily on trial decryption. This change would mean no need for trial decryption at all.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet from the server, it should
 select an acceptable protocol version.  If such a version is found, the client
 MUST resend all packets using the new version, and the resent packets MUST use
 new packet numbers.  These packets MUST continue to have the VERSION flag set
 and MUST include the new negotiated protocol version.
 
-The client MUST send its version on all packets until it receives a packet from
-the server with the VERSION flag off.  If version negotiation is successful, the
-client should receive a packet from the server with the VERSION flag off
-indicating the end of version negotiation.  All subsequent packets the client
-sends MUST have the version flag off.
-
-Once the server receives a packet from the client with the VERSION flag off, it
-MUST ignore the VERSION flag in subsequently received packets.
+The client MUST include its selected version on all packets until it starts
+protecting packets with 1-RTT keys.  Only unprotected packets and 0-RTT
+protected packets can include a version.  A client MUST NOT change the version
+it uses unless it is in response to a version negotiation packet from the
+server.

This isn't specific to TLS 1.3, it's a property that is needed by any crypto protocol that needs to distinguish between the different types of keying material that is in use during the handshake. There are always unencrypted, replayable-protected, and fully-protected packets with a 0-RTT-capable protocol. If you accept that it is valuable to distinguish between those three types, you end up with this design.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +problems, particularly with respect to transport parameters that establish
+limits:
+
+* A client might exceed a newly declared connection or stream flow control limit
+  with 0-RTT data.  If this occurs, the client ceases transmission as though the
+  flow control limit was reached.  Once WINDOW_UPDATE frames indicating an
+  increase to the affected flow control offsets is received, the client can
+  recommence sending.
+
+* Similarly, a client might exceed the concurrent stream limit declared by the
+  server.  A client MUST reset any streams that exceed this connection.  A
+  server MAY reset these streams.
+
+A client cannot use or rely upon any other transport parameter that was enabled
+in a previous connection.  This includes those defined in this document.  A
+client MUST assume that the transport parameter was absent, unless the

Yeah, I need to rewrite this a little. Actually, there is an alternative we should discuss. I will raise a separate issue on this point.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+~~~
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|[Num Blocks(8)]|      First Ack Block Length (8/16/32/48)    ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|  [Gap 1 (8)]  |       [Ack Block 1 Length (8/16/32/48)]     ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|  [Gap 2 (8)]  |       [Ack Block 2 Length (8/16/32/48)]     ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+                             ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|  [Gap N (8)]  |       [Ack Block N Length (8/16/32/48)]     ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~

I wouldn't do this just yet. I'd leave this PR to not do major changes to the ACK format, and leave that for a separate PR that reworks the ack format entirely.

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TLS provides an extension that limits the amount of data that can be sent during 0-RTT. This is an explicit configuration item, even though TCP flow control would naturally limit the amount of data a client can send to a server with 0-RTT. The reason for this is that servers might have to hold some or all of the 0-RTT data. That buffering might be part of replay mitigation, for example. A server that supports 0-RTT can use that limit to ensure that it doesn't have to buffer more than it is willing to buffer.

In #122, I have chosen to carry over the values for initial flow control window and concurrent stream limit. We might want to provide separate transport parameters for 0-RTT so that servers can apply lower limits.

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QUIC provides a dedicated stream (Stream ID 1) to be -used for performing a combined connection and security handshake (streams are -described in detail in {{streams}}). The crypto handshake protocol encapsulates -and delivers QUIC's transport handshake to the peer on the crypto stream. The -first QUIC packet from the client to the server MUST carry handshake information -as data on Stream ID 1. +establishment latency. QUIC allocates stream 1 for the cryptographic handshake, +which uses TLS. I'm following the principles that I thought we had agreed: this version uses TLS (and only TLS) and a new version would be needed to change that. We have a clear description of the interface between the two protocols that makes it a relatively easy process to forklift TLS. What we don't need is some abstract definition of a "crypto handshake protocol" and then a specific embodiment of that. That makes the protocol much harder to read and reason about. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ## Crypto and Transport Handshake {#handshake}
 
 QUIC relies on a combined crypto and transport handshake to minimize connection
-establishment latency.  QUIC provides a dedicated stream (Stream ID 1) to be
-used for performing a combined connection and security handshake (streams are
-described in detail in {{streams}}).  The crypto handshake protocol encapsulates
-and delivers QUIC's transport handshake to the peer on the crypto stream.  The
-first QUIC packet from the client to the server MUST carry handshake information
-as data on Stream ID 1.
+establishment latency.  QUIC allocates stream 1 for the cryptographic handshake,
+which uses TLS.

I'm following the principles that I thought we had agreed: this version uses TLS (and only TLS) and a new version would be needed to change that. We have a clear description of the interface between the two protocols that makes it a relatively easy process to forklift TLS. What we don't need is some abstract definition of a "crypto handshake protocol" and then a specific embodiment of that. That makes the protocol much harder to read and reason about.

My plan is to remove the entire "requirements on a crypto handshake protocol" section. It's redundant with other more concrete text. Any replacement crypto can then just provide the same services that TLS does (or not, because those services are not relevant in that context).

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  ~~~
 
-The fields in the BLOCKED frame are as follows:
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-* Frame Type: The Frame Type byte is an 8-bit value that must be set to 0x05
-  indicating that this is a BLOCKED frame.
+The BLOCKED frame payload contains a single field:

That makes sense to me. Then we can talk about "transport protocol payload" and "STREAM frame payload" and we will be talking about the same thing.

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HTTP/2 compatibility at the framing level is a bit of an unrealistic goal. Maybe we could just avoid allocating those bits first.

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The transport protocol has frames, and STREAM frames can contain frames for the HTTP mapping. It's confusing. We should work out how to deal with that.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-* 0x02: QUIC_STREAM_DATA_AFTER_TERMINATION.  (There were data frames after the a
-  fin or reset.)
+0x8000-0xAFFF:
+: Loss-detection and congestion control error codes.  Defined by the
+  loss-detection and congestion control algorithm currently in use.

Can you explain why? Is it that congestion control is not supposed to generate errors? Or do you expect to be able to take whatever error codes are needed from the core transport given that the two docs are more tightly coupled than the others?

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Commit: 1c962148e25d9a99d83f8c435410a6fc4d45b446 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1c962148e25d9a99d83f8c435410a6fc4d45b446 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- As with STREAM, so with BLOCKED: no payload Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/2c99f61d1dad^...1c962148e25d ----==_mimepart_586f212436c48_241a3fa0b93d11408484c-- From nobody Thu Jan 5 20:47:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB2912989E for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2017 20:47:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m8qCoMTO-Htl for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2017 20:47:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39AE412940C for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2017 20:47:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2017 20:47:54 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1483678074; bh=Z+BUFKtmKfBxgDnQjsXo26XMsbiWuxCu2yIO8xXGETw=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Rw+wu8gFMzxc9ZvU4AhNkrlAQTMM+gg55xrG12Dk4ZfneaTCIeIUidDvG2EuTBkv0 IcLiWjUewCE7KlkusAAsmyyw9DR/rltc9Wf+OH8l8LYzgy5y1V7NQDHDEAUY0LiKhc meAFTj50vmNgY9+IGnLJD/HRcZ2TTJY2gR/3BsP8= From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Update the diagrams (#129) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_586f217a486a9_29c743f9ac99511387093"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 04:47:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_586f217a486a9_29c743f9ac99511387093 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @MikeBishop, this should sort out #103 with Jana's comments. 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@MikeBishop, this should sort out #103 with Jana's comments.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/129

Commit Summary

  • Don't go so wide
  • De-indent a little
  • Take and improve suggestion on regular packet intro
  • Leave definition of AEAD Data to QUIC-TLS
  • The stream frame just contains fields
  • Timestamps are packet receive times
  • As with STREAM, so with BLOCKED: no payload

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A QUIC connection begins with a client sending a handshake packet. Until the cryptographic handshake ({{handshake}}) produces 1-RTT keys, packets sent by a client MUST include the version in the packet header. This allows the server to -identify early packets and to enable version negotiation. +identify 0-RTT packets and to enable version negotiation. I would simply remove the last sentence. I don't think that the server should be using the version bit to infer anything about what packets are being sent. > ### Values of Transport Parameters for 0-RTT -Transport parameters from the server are remembered by the client for 0-RTT -connections. If values change as a result of completing the handshake, the -client is expected to respect the new values. This introduces some potential -problems, particularly with respect to transport parameters that establish -limits: +Optional transport parameters from the server MUST be reset to default values by +the client for 0-RTT connections. + +The mandatory transport parameters for stream and connection flow control and +concurrent stream limits MUST be remembered by the client. The idle timeout value I think MAY is adequate here -- I don't see the need for requiring a client to remember these parameters (which cannot be enforced anyways.) > -connections. If values change as a result of completing the handshake, the -client is expected to respect the new values. This introduces some potential -problems, particularly with respect to transport parameters that establish -limits: +Optional transport parameters from the server MUST be reset to default values by +the client for 0-RTT connections. + +The mandatory transport parameters for stream and connection flow control and +concurrent stream limits MUST be remembered by the client. The idle timeout value +is not expected to be relevant for the short time that it takes to obtain 1-RTT +keys. + + +Transport parameter values could change as a result of completing the handshake. +The client MUST respect the new values when the handshake completes. This +introduces some potential problems: * A client might exceed a newly declared connection or stream flow control limit with 0-RTT data. If this occurs, the client ceases transmission as though the perhaps "the client MUST cease" -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -633,7 +632,7 @@ on the two endpoints agreeing on a version.
 A QUIC connection begins with a client sending a handshake packet. Until the
 cryptographic handshake ({{handshake}}) produces 1-RTT keys, packets sent by a
 client MUST include the version in the packet header.  This allows the server to
-identify early packets and to enable version negotiation.
+identify 0-RTT packets and to enable version negotiation.

I would simply remove the last sentence. I don't think that the server should be using the version bit to infer anything about what packets are being sent.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  ### Values of Transport Parameters for 0-RTT
 
-Transport parameters from the server are remembered by the client for 0-RTT
-connections.  If values change as a result of completing the handshake, the
-client is expected to respect the new values.  This introduces some potential
-problems, particularly with respect to transport parameters that establish
-limits:
+Optional transport parameters from the server MUST be reset to default values by
+the client for 0-RTT connections.
+
+The mandatory transport parameters for stream and connection flow control and
+concurrent stream limits MUST be remembered by the client.  The idle timeout value

I think MAY is adequate here -- I don't see the need for requiring a client to remember these parameters (which cannot be enforced anyways.)

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -connections.  If values change as a result of completing the handshake, the
-client is expected to respect the new values.  This introduces some potential
-problems, particularly with respect to transport parameters that establish
-limits:
+Optional transport parameters from the server MUST be reset to default values by
+the client for 0-RTT connections.
+
+The mandatory transport parameters for stream and connection flow control and
+concurrent stream limits MUST be remembered by the client.  The idle timeout value
+is not expected to be relevant for the short time that it takes to obtain 1-RTT
+keys.
+
+
+Transport parameter values could change as a result of completing the handshake.
+The client MUST respect the new values when the handshake completes.  This
+introduces some potential problems:
 
 * A client might exceed a newly declared connection or stream flow control limit
   with 0-RTT data.  If this occurs, the client ceases transmission as though the

perhaps "the client MUST cease"

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Largely LGTM modulo one comment. Mike was going to take a shot at reworking his PR.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -424,12 +426,11 @@ The fields in a Regular packet past the Common Header are the following:
   by the sender.  The first packet sent by an endpoint MUST have a packet number
   of 1.
 
-* AEAD Data: A Regular packet's Common Header and fields are authenticated,
-  but not encrypted.  The rest of a Regular packet, starting with the first
-  frame, is both authenticated and encrypted.  Immediately following the header,
-  Regular packets contain AEAD (Authenticated Encryption with Associated Data)
-  data.  After decryption, the plaintext consists of a sequence of
-  frames, as shown below (frames are described in {{frames}}).
+* AEAD Data: The remainder of a Regular packet is both authenticated and
+  encrypted once packet protection keys are available.  {{QUIC-TLS}} describes

QUIC-TLS won't describe the structure of QUIC packets -- I don't think that needs to be referenced here.

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A few high-order thoughts. I think this addition boils down to a few things. (i) Handshake packets MUST be padded to InitialMaxLength, and DF SHOULD be set on them, and (ii) During the connection, larger packets MAY be sent occasionally/periodically to probe for a larger packet size, and the sender should take ICMP messages as well as loss indications as signals of PMTU exceeded. I think (i) is needed, for QUIC to ensure passage of subsequent packets, and to ensure that the handshake fails if InitialMaxLength is too large for the path. Google-QUIC does this right now, and it is absolutely useful. I would argue that this part belongs somewhere in the handshake section (Section 5.2). Recommendations on how to do PMTUD or PLPMTUD, as described in (ii), belong in this section, but I would make it the last subsection of the Packetization section, as a PMTU Considerations subsection. Bear in mind that this part has very little to motivate implementing it -- it's really tricky to get right and the benefits don't seem terribly high. That said, I think it's useful for completeness. > -endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting -the maximum packet size appropriately. +The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload, +including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields. +All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP +fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints SHOULD use Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum +packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU +determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms, the recommended default +maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. + +(TODO: Should there be a high minimum MTU for QUIC to avoid ICMP attacks? If so, +does the endpoint fail over to TCP or simply allow fragmentation?) + +QUIC endpoints MUST maintain a separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the I don't think the MUST makes sense here. I'd suggest something like "If a QUIC endpoint employs PMTUD, then the endpoint SHOULD use a separate PMTU estimate for every pair of source and destination IP used by the connection." > +packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU +determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms, the recommended default +maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. + +(TODO: Should there be a high minimum MTU for QUIC to avoid ICMP attacks? If so, +does the endpoint fail over to TCP or simply allow fragmentation?) + +QUIC endpoints MUST maintain a separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the +peer is using in the connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each +combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a different +minimum MTU in the path). + +## Packet MTU Determination + +QUIC endpoints SHOULD set the Don't Fragment (DF) bit in the IP header of selected +QUIC datagrams. These packets MUST use PADDING frames, as necessary, to raise the Which datagrams? > +packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU +determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms, the recommended default +maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. + +(TODO: Should there be a high minimum MTU for QUIC to avoid ICMP attacks? If so, +does the endpoint fail over to TCP or simply allow fragmentation?) + +QUIC endpoints MUST maintain a separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the +peer is using in the connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each +combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a different +minimum MTU in the path). + +## Packet MTU Determination + +QUIC endpoints SHOULD set the Don't Fragment (DF) bit in the IP header of selected +QUIC datagrams. These packets MUST use PADDING frames, as necessary, to raise the I don't think MUST is needed here. Saying that "the sender MAY pad packets as necessary" is adequate. > +minimum MTU in the path). + +## Packet MTU Determination + +QUIC endpoints SHOULD set the Don't Fragment (DF) bit in the IP header of selected +QUIC datagrams. These packets MUST use PADDING frames, as necessary, to raise the +overall packet size to the expected maximum. + +### DF Marking {#dfmarking} + +The first packet from the client MUST be maximum-size and SHOULD set the DF bit. + +The last server-generated packet in the Transport Handshake SHOULD be padded to +maximum-size with the DF bit set. Earlier packets may be smaller to save server +resources until various handshake mechanisms have validated the client. + I don't think that padding earlier packets is an issue. I think it's reasonable to set DF on all packets carrying handshake data. > +Traditional ICMP-based path MTU discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) is +potentially vulnerable to off-path attacks that succesfully guess the IP/port 4-tuple +and reduce the MTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value. TCP connections mitigate this +risk by using the (at minimum) 8 bytes of transport header echoed in the ICMP message +to validate the TCP sequence number as valid for the current connection. However, as +QUIC operates over UDP, this echoed information may consist only of the IP and UDP +headers, which hold no connection-specific context except the IP/port 4-tuple. + +Furthermore, PMTUD also performs poorly with misbehaving routers that do not send +ICMP Packet Too Big messages {{!RFC2923}}. + +To mitigate this, QUIC endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD, {{!RFC4821}}, either in place of, or +in addition to, PMTUD. This avoids the off-path attack and misbehaving router problems +while potentially introducing multiple packet losses and long timeouts. + +Due to the drawbacks of PLPMTUD, QUIC endpoints MAY use ICMP-based PTMU discovery. 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@janaiyengar requested changes on this pull request.

A few high-order thoughts. I think this addition boils down to a few things. (i) Handshake packets MUST be padded to InitialMaxLength, and DF SHOULD be set on them, and (ii) During the connection, larger packets MAY be sent occasionally/periodically to probe for a larger packet size, and the sender should take ICMP messages as well as loss indications as signals of PMTU exceeded.

I think (i) is needed, for QUIC to ensure passage of subsequent packets, and to ensure that the handshake fails if InitialMaxLength is too large for the path. Google-QUIC does this right now, and it is absolutely useful. I would argue that this part belongs somewhere in the handshake section (Section 5.2).

Recommendations on how to do PMTUD or PLPMTUD, as described in (ii), belong in this section, but I would make it the last subsection of the Packetization section, as a PMTU Considerations subsection. Bear in mind that this part has very little to motivate implementing it -- it's really tricky to get right and the benefits don't seem terribly high. That said, I think it's useful for completeness.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting
-the maximum packet size appropriately.
+The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload,
+including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields.
+All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints SHOULD use Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum
+packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms,  the recommended default
+maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. 
+
+(TODO: Should there be a high minimum MTU for QUIC to avoid ICMP attacks? If so,
+does the endpoint fail over to TCP or simply allow fragmentation?)
+
+QUIC endpoints MUST maintain a separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the

I don't think the MUST makes sense here. I'd suggest something like "If a QUIC endpoint employs PMTUD, then the endpoint SHOULD use a separate PMTU estimate for every pair of source and destination IP used by the connection."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms,  the recommended default
+maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. 
+
+(TODO: Should there be a high minimum MTU for QUIC to avoid ICMP attacks? If so,
+does the endpoint fail over to TCP or simply allow fragmentation?)
+
+QUIC endpoints MUST maintain a separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the
+peer is using in the connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each
+combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a different
+minimum MTU in the path).
+
+## Packet MTU Determination
+
+QUIC endpoints SHOULD set the Don't Fragment (DF) bit in the IP header of selected
+QUIC datagrams. These packets MUST use PADDING frames, as necessary, to raise the

Which datagrams?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms,  the recommended default
+maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. 
+
+(TODO: Should there be a high minimum MTU for QUIC to avoid ICMP attacks? If so,
+does the endpoint fail over to TCP or simply allow fragmentation?)
+
+QUIC endpoints MUST maintain a separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the
+peer is using in the connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each
+combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a different
+minimum MTU in the path).
+
+## Packet MTU Determination
+
+QUIC endpoints SHOULD set the Don't Fragment (DF) bit in the IP header of selected
+QUIC datagrams. These packets MUST use PADDING frames, as necessary, to raise the

I don't think MUST is needed here. Saying that "the sender MAY pad packets as necessary" is adequate.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +minimum MTU in the path).
+
+## Packet MTU Determination
+
+QUIC endpoints SHOULD set the Don't Fragment (DF) bit in the IP header of selected
+QUIC datagrams. These packets MUST use PADDING frames, as necessary, to raise the
+overall packet size to the expected maximum.
+
+### DF Marking {#dfmarking}
+
+The first packet from the client MUST be maximum-size and SHOULD set the DF bit.
+
+The last server-generated packet in the Transport Handshake SHOULD be padded to
+maximum-size with the DF bit set. Earlier packets may be smaller to save server
+resources until various handshake mechanisms have validated the client.
+

I don't think that padding earlier packets is an issue. I think it's reasonable to set DF on all packets carrying handshake data.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Traditional ICMP-based path MTU discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) is
+potentially vulnerable to off-path attacks that succesfully guess the IP/port 4-tuple
+and reduce the MTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value. TCP connections mitigate this
+risk by using the (at minimum) 8 bytes of transport header echoed in the ICMP message
+to validate the TCP sequence number as valid for the current connection. However, as
+QUIC operates over UDP, this echoed information may consist only of the IP and UDP
+headers, which hold no connection-specific context except the IP/port 4-tuple.
+
+Furthermore, PMTUD also performs poorly with misbehaving routers that do not send
+ICMP Packet Too Big messages {{!RFC2923}}.
+
+To mitigate this, QUIC endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD, {{!RFC4821}}, either in place of, or
+in addition to, PMTUD. This avoids the off-path attack and misbehaving router problems
+while potentially introducing multiple packet losses and long timeouts. 
+
+Due to the drawbacks of PLPMTUD, QUIC endpoints MAY use ICMP-based PTMU discovery.

I don't follow -- the text here seems to say first that QUIC MAY use PLPMTUD to mitigate issues with PMTUD, and now says that QUIC MAY use PMTUD to address drawbacks of PLPMTUD.

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The time representation is "inspired by" IEEE754, so it's likely that the reference doesn't help by itself :-)

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I agree that prioritization is important, but any prio scheme that you bake into QUIC is going to be either a poor fit for the next application. QUIC implementations can be (i) encouraged to minimize or not buffer any unsent data, and (ii) strongly encouraged to have an API that allows an application to indicate priorities across all "active streams". This would have the drawback of making priority opaque during QUIC's retransmissions, but I would argue that an application may well consider the priority of a retransmission as higher than that of the original transmission simply because of the amount of time in between the two. I think that it's reasonable for endpoints to generally prioritize retransmissions over the rest. In a past life, I implemented priorities in the TCP socket send buffer to prioritize across multiple application "messages". I learned the hard way that simply limiting the send buffer size in TCP and allowing the application to handle priorities above yielded similar benefits. The key was in keeping the TCP send buffer size low. (When you're worried about prioritizing new data over retransmissions, my intuition tells me that it's either a non-issue or it doesn't matter. It's a non-issue when there are very few retransmissions that it's in the noise, or it doesn't matter since there are too many losses that those dominate latency beyond what priority can help with.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/104#issuecomment-270841122 ----==_mimepart_586f38f02c018_d453fa5f9e151343376bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Given that QUIC implementations should really not be buffering any/much = data, I think an API ought to be adequate. I agree that prioritization is i= mportant, but any prio scheme that you bake into QUIC is going to be either= a poor fit for the next application.

QUIC implementations can be (i) encouraged to minimize or not buffer any= unsent data, and (ii) strongly encouraged to have an API that allows an ap= plication to indicate priorities across all "active streams". This would ha= ve the drawback of making priority opaque during QUIC's retransmissions, bu= t I would argue that an application may well consider the priority of a ret= ransmission as higher than that of the original transmission simply because= of the amount of time in between the two. I think that it's reasonable f= or endpoints to generally prioritize retransmissions over the rest.

In a past life, I implemented priorities in the TCP socket send buffer t= o prioritize across multiple application "messages". I learned the hard way= that simply limiting the send buffer size in TCP and allowing the applicat= ion to handle priorities above yielded similar benefits. The key was in kee= ping the TCP send buffer size low.

(When you're worried about prioritizing new data over retransmissions, m= y intuition tells me that it's either a non-issue or it doesn't matter. It'= s a non-issue when there are very few retransmissions that it's in the nois= e, or it doesn't matter since there are too many losses that those dominate= latency beyond what priority can help with.)

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I would argue that keeping the tcp send buffers small is where we curr= ently see a lot of implementation mistakes - I can cite a few open server= performance bugs with h2 if you think its worth the time to dig through = bugzilla. App developers want to fire and forget when they have data in h= and. Small-buffers are apparently not an especially usable interface for = application protocols.. so if its plausible to push data down into the tr= ansport where you've got a late-binded mux, that would probably yield bet= ter results in practice even if in theory there is no advantage.

The argument that quic should not be buffering much data is only obvio= usly true if it isn't doing reordering and cancels as well. It could cert= ainly do all those things and in some senses a protocol like this that al= ready entangles transport, security, and the application is a reasonable = place to do it. Embrace the monolith :)

I totally agree that retrans is an unimportant, tho interetsting, corn= er case.

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Well, there currently are no such error codes. Plus,=C2=A0the peer does= n't know which congestion control algorithm you're using, so the p= oint of having a variable lookup table is defeated. I think I've been conv= inced that needs to just be folded in with Transport.

Jana made a good case for a host-local range, though, which MUST NOT app= ear on the wire, but can be used for logging errors and/or returning them i= n the API.

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= ----==_mimepart_586fcac68ed9c_62ba3fe3534f3140327935-- From nobody Fri Jan 6 11:18:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1CC41296A7 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2017 11:18:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.52 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.52 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e5WhsDU60iyN for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2017 11:18:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext7.iad.github.net [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3170C129694 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2017 11:18:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 11:18:45 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1483730325; bh=QHdEtrcK/711j3eIVcJ4pkakPuiY+O4OAdYeP31LJUk=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=aIJQnALMJhal/T8AX77AiNzLQQwtJwHJrC+4zNLcKu0xzWlV8s0cmnkuJtPzDL2CL JMF7YKO5lWwPtSLyPZTRli8Y1HuMtxTZCpyf8qRSKljcBb+9yeGcVlE1K/IXPmt2X2 Wwgr//Idw9gC6nf5Mmzhpse5kWUXiB60QHNmGNeE= From: janaiyengar To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Priority in QUIC Transport (#104) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_586fed9517781_252a43fee99cad13c55794"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 19:18:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_586fed9517781_252a43fee99cad13c55794 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll take back some of what I said earlier. Since an application's interaction with QUIC uses a stream abstraction, as long as QUIC implementations do a late-binding to the data in the streams, an API that indicates stream priorities ought to be adequate. Data can be buffered in incoming stream buffers from the application to the transport, but we should avoid buffers deeper within the transport (which is natural, I think.) To be clear, I'm not including buffers for reliability in this conversation; those don't interact with priorities much. On the TCP small buffer point, I think it's difficult to expect high performance if an application simply wants to shoot and forget into a non-prioritized buffer... perhaps your point is that it's still better for TCP (in an alternate Minion world) to provide a priority queue rather than a FIFO queue since that's an easier abstraction for apps to write to. If so, point taken. In this respect, the buffers between the application and QUIC can be seen as a priority queue, and this queue itself could be seen as an API element between the application and QUIC. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/104#issuecomment-270982068 ----==_mimepart_586fed9517781_252a43fee99cad13c55794 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'll take back some of what I said earlier. Since an application's int= eraction with QUIC uses a stream abstraction, as long as QUIC implementat= ions do a late-binding to the data in the streams, an API that indicates = stream priorities ought to be adequate. Data can be buffered in incoming = stream buffers from the application to the transport, but we should avoid= buffers deeper within the transport (which is natural, I think.) To be c= lear, I'm not including buffers for reliability in this conversation; tho= se don't interact with priorities much.

On the TCP small buffer point, I think it's difficult to expect high p= erformance if an application simply wants to shoot and forget into a non-= prioritized buffer... perhaps your point is that it's still better for TC= P (in an alternate Minion world) to provide a priority queue rather than = a FIFO queue since that's an easier abstraction for apps to write to. If = so, point taken. In this respect, the buffers between the application and= QUIC can be seen as a priority queue, and this queue itself could be see= n as an API element between the application and QUIC.

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Possibly we could define some pluggable "prioritization API"? I want is per-stream send buffers, which allows both optimal prioritization and a reasonable amount of buffering. These per-stream send buffers replace the TCP send buffers for most part. The number of UDP packets encrypted and written to the socket at once would be determined by congestion control and pacing. Data is retransmitted from these stream buffers, which allows a stream to be re-prioritized and the retransmissions to follow the new priority, instead of the original priority. This also makes cancellations simpler, because there's nothing to retransmit from the cancelled stream. But this could be done with the priorities inside the transport layer or in the application layer, it's more a matter of what interface we're designing. I agree about embracing the monolith. To make the above implementation approach work well, a tight coupling makes a lot of sense. Some pitfalls to be aware we've run into: 1) Retransmissions in multipath may have smaller MTU, so having a stream level send buffer is better than just a series of stream frames. 2) FEC would likely not use retransmission at all. 3) A zero-copy friendly interface is a good thing. 4) There are cases when new data is more important than retransmissions, or one retransmission is more important than another. Given this seems like it will become clearer after a few more people implement it, does it make sense to punt this conversation to the future a bit? On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 11:18 AM, janaiyengar wrote: > I'll take back some of what I said earlier. Since an application's > interaction with QUIC uses a stream abstraction, as long as QUIC > implementations do a late-binding to the data in the streams, an API that > indicates stream priorities ought to be adequate. Data can be buffered in > incoming stream buffers from the application to the transport, but we > should avoid buffers deeper within the transport (which is natural, I > think.) To be clear, I'm not including buffers for reliability in this > conversation; those don't interact with priorities much. > > On the TCP small buffer point, I think it's difficult to expect high > performance if an application simply wants to shoot and forget into a > non-prioritized buffer... perhaps your point is that it's still better for > TCP (in an alternate Minion world) to provide a priority queue rather than > a FIFO queue since that's an easier abstraction for apps to write to. If > so, point taken. In this respect, the buffers between the application and > QUIC can be seen as a priority queue, and this queue itself could be seen > as an API element between the application and QUIC. > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/104#issuecomment-270998565= ----==_mimepart_586ffea37b6e9_7af23fdcfb45f138156287 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My main concern about putting prioritization into QUIC is that I don't = know
what prioritization API would be sufficiently robust for non-HTTP/2
applications as well. Possibly we could define some pluggable
"prioritization API"?

I want is per-stream send buffers, which allows both optimal prioritization=
and a reasonable amount of buffering. These per-stream send buffers
replace the TCP send buffers for most part. The number of UDP packets
encrypted and written to the socket at once would be determined by
congestion control and pacing. Data is retransmitted from these stream
buffers, which allows a stream to be re-prioritized and the retransmissions=
to follow the new priority, instead of the original priority. This also
makes cancellations simpler, because there's nothing to retransmit from= the
cancelled stream. But this could be done with the priorities inside the
transport layer or in the application layer, it's more a matter of what=
interface we're designing.

I agree about embracing the monolith. To make the above implementation
approach work well, a tight coupling makes a lot of sense.

Some pitfalls to be aware we've run into:
1) Retransmissions in multipath may have smaller MTU, so having a stream level send buffer is better than just a series of stream frames.
2) FEC would likely not use retransmission at all.
3) A zero-copy friendly interface is a good thing.
4) There are cases when new data is more important than retransmissions, or one retransmission is more important than another.

Given this seems like it will become clearer after a few more people
implement it, does it make sense to punt this conversation to the future a<= br> bit?


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My other note said you'd file an issue for reducing the size of the `Time Since Largest Acked` field to match the others, and I agree that should be saved for a different PR. This is a purely editorial change which you suggested, putting the counts up in the top section. If you no longer want that, we can revert it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/103 ----==_mimepart_58707688d35dc_55c73fda7e38f1383484 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+~~~
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|[Num Blocks(8)]|      First Ack Block Length (8/16/32/48)    ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|  [Gap 1 (8)]  |       [Ack Block 1 Length (8/16/32/48)]     ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|  [Gap 2 (8)]  |       [Ack Block 2 Length (8/16/32/48)]     ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+                             ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|  [Gap N (8)]  |       [Ack Block N Length (8/16/32/48)]     ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~

@janaiyengar, I think your comment is for a different change. My other note said you'd file an issue for reducing the size of the Time Since Largest Acked field to match the others, and I agree that should be saved for a different PR. This is a purely editorial change which you suggested, putting the counts up in the top section. If you no longer want that, we can revert it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+~~~
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|[Num Blocks(8)]|      First Ack Block Length (8/16/32/48)    ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|  [Gap 1 (8)]  |       [Ack Block 1 Length (8/16/32/48)]     ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|  [Gap 2 (8)]  |       [Ack Block 2 Length (8/16/32/48)]     ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+                             ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|  [Gap N (8)]  |       [Ack Block N Length (8/16/32/48)]     ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~

...but I also had a note that I had an inconsistency between Time Since Largest Acked and First Timestamp. The description of First Timestamp gives it as a time since the beginning of the connection, which makes more sense to be larger, and the remainders are deltas from that value.

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Commit: 8162a8584539293f06a09dd4585c368dc22fb2ad https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8162a8584539293f06a09dd4585c368dc22fb2ad Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove non-wire-facing and migration-specific error codes Commit: 24d6d169b1c56f19da1764e2ea5b6939074e075e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/24d6d169b1c56f19da1764e2ea5b6939074e075e Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Moving crypto errors into TLS document Commit: 6254c74bac08d128d4d4bd4810b5c306ae334611 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6254c74bac08d128d4d4bd4810b5c306ae334611 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- QUIC is capitalized Commit: d25776be6f40ba7e9eb256660ce7f843b05ba1c7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d25776be6f40ba7e9eb256660ce7f843b05ba1c7 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Move HTTP error code to HTTP document Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/f1c42aff6d41^...d25776be6f40 ----==_mimepart_58707d5857db4_64fb3f83c1f851408188d-- From nobody Fri Jan 6 21:35:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6774012986A for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2017 21:35:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.42 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.42 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UJID9C0RnXnj for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2017 21:35:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8CDDF12986C for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2017 21:35:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=b1tmxmtnMfONeir7XotU41vxWVQ=; b=L1xWMVJOJfLILiU6 zBSsHsm4fj7JOyM2zqtQ7S0j25iKCvEteGZqz6J3TYMy+zzT5PiXglbxNWgirxgw iqfQ6Ans1/3TMvmFKJK26dnwXUDKDcqn30Mbc0sRsUajuY9090Sh9p65OoAOBg3A UZwYpfY2DoTvXI7GP3jlI18m/J8= Received: by filter0604p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0604p1mdw1-32621-58707E13-2D 2017-01-07 05:35:15.734480457 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id rfbD9_yqQ6GJNUzubEZr-A for ; Sat, 07 Jan 2017 05:35:15.806 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 21:35:15 -0800 From: Mike Bishop To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Errors move (#130) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58707e13afc2e_52513f8e5c321138646b8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2wq+8A5zUpR6aXNeyb3sF4c+erx3bWM8WFiM yOB054ud1wdRa0bFdX3GJeI+HqgspWmu4pwGvWumTTa7G+ycON+BaiYDl7kF8gnxFT672MUjW0PksL rHKmqi8qoijqPNNxzk6L7a7SC6Qa/i1+2qWBnIfWpZHf5MNuASy1Py79ytFqz5uaKNa8a9xWYF1v21 w= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2017 05:35:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58707e13afc2e_52513f8e5c321138646b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is the purely-editorial aspect of #96 -- errors are moved to the document that describes that piece of the mechanism (TLS, HTTP, or Transport). 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This is the purely-editorial aspect of #96 -- errors are moved to the document that describes that piece of the mechanism (TLS, HTTP, or Transport). There will be a separate PR building on this one which contains the non-editorial changes with @janaiyengar's feedback.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/130

Commit Summary

  • Use definition list format for error codes.
  • Remove non-wire-facing and migration-specific error codes
  • Moving crypto errors into TLS document
  • QUIC is capitalized
  • Move HTTP error code to HTTP document

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Allocates portions of the error space to QUIC, crypto, and the app-layer. The remote knows the QUIC version (which implies the crypto protocol) and the application -- that means it can figure out what set of error codes to use for interpreting each region. If extensions define new error codes, they would want to do so within the appropriate registries to avoid collisions and thereby confusion. Congestion control doesn't get a region, because the peer doesn't know what algorithm you're using to interpret anything anyway -- that's just a transport error. At Jana's suggestion, reserving a range instead for local-only error codes (e.g. the QUIC spec's original "failed to write to socket," "tried to send unencrypted data," etc.) that MUST NOT be sent on the wire, but can be used in logs and APIs to avoid having to use a separate return value for non-protocol errors. 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Builds on #130 to nearly the same end result as #96, to address #74.

Allocates portions of the error space to QUIC, crypto, and the app-layer. The remote knows the QUIC version (which implies the crypto protocol) and the application -- that means it can figure out what set of error codes to use for interpreting each region. If extensions define new error codes, they would want to do so within the appropriate registries to avoid collisions and thereby confusion.

Congestion control doesn't get a region, because the peer doesn't know what algorithm you're using to interpret anything anyway -- that's just a transport error.

At Jana's suggestion, reserving a range instead for local-only error codes (e.g. the QUIC spec's original "failed to write to socket," "tried to send unencrypted data," etc.) that MUST NOT be sent on the wire, but can be used in logs and APIs to avoid having to use a separate return value for non-protocol errors.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/131

Commit Summary

  • Use definition list format for error codes.
  • Remove non-wire-facing and migration-specific error codes
  • Moving crypto errors into TLS document
  • QUIC is capitalized
  • Move HTTP error code to HTTP document
  • Added error code ranges
  • TLS errors in new range
  • Define HTTP-layer error codes in HTTP document

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This plays into #81. There were certain vocal proponents of re-using their HTTP/2 parsing code as far as possible. If/when we conclude that it's really silly, I'm more than happy to rip those out. ;-)

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I think this is a non-issue, but it depends on how Source Tok= ens are handled and I'm not entirely clear on that yet. So check my logi= c.

If you've dealt with the server over QUIC before, you know its (previo= us) supported version list because that data is carried in the Transport = Parameters (at least in both our current PRs!). That should always super= sede the Alt-Svc hints.

If you haven't dealt with the server over QUIC before, you're going to= do a 1-RTT handshake anyway because you lack a Source Token. (I think.)= You'll find out the server's supported list before you send any data an= d detect any attempted downgrade.

The hint only serves to help you avoid the 1-RTT case turning into a 2= -RTT case, because you have to first find an acceptable version, then= do a 1-RTT TLS handshake. Of course, if you can reuse your 0-RTT c= ontext from a TLS/TCP connection, that might get us into muddier water.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -633,7 +632,7 @@ on the two endpoints agreeing on a version.
 A QUIC connection begins with a client sending a handshake packet. Until the
 cryptographic handshake ({{handshake}}) produces 1-RTT keys, packets sent by a
 client MUST include the version in the packet header.  This allows the server to
-identify early packets and to enable version negotiation.
+identify 0-RTT packets and to enable version negotiation.

I guess that we still disagree about the necessity for marking 0-RTT packets then. I will remove the sentence in the interests of not blocking the entire PR. Expect this to come up again.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  ### Values of Transport Parameters for 0-RTT
 
-Transport parameters from the server are remembered by the client for 0-RTT
-connections.  If values change as a result of completing the handshake, the
-client is expected to respect the new values.  This introduces some potential
-problems, particularly with respect to transport parameters that establish
-limits:
+Optional transport parameters from the server MUST be reset to default values by
+the client for 0-RTT connections.
+
+The mandatory transport parameters for stream and connection flow control and
+concurrent stream limits MUST be remembered by the client.  The idle timeout value

The problem with "MAY" is that we don't establish defaults. If the client decides not to remember it has no idea how much flow control window it can use or how many streams it can open. So we either need to define defaults (maybe 0-RTT defaults) or we do this as a MUST.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -connections.  If values change as a result of completing the handshake, the
-client is expected to respect the new values.  This introduces some potential
-problems, particularly with respect to transport parameters that establish
-limits:
+Optional transport parameters from the server MUST be reset to default values by
+the client for 0-RTT connections.
+
+The mandatory transport parameters for stream and connection flow control and
+concurrent stream limits MUST be remembered by the client.  The idle timeout value
+is not expected to be relevant for the short time that it takes to obtain 1-RTT
+keys.
+
+
+Transport parameter values could change as a result of completing the handshake.
+The client MUST respect the new values when the handshake completes.  This
+introduces some potential problems:
 
 * A client might exceed a newly declared connection or stream flow control limit
   with 0-RTT data.  If this occurs, the client ceases transmission as though the

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -424,12 +426,11 @@ The fields in a Regular packet past the Common Header are the following:
   by the sender.  The first packet sent by an endpoint MUST have a packet number
   of 1.
 
-* AEAD Data: A Regular packet's Common Header and fields are authenticated,
-  but not encrypted.  The rest of a Regular packet, starting with the first
-  frame, is both authenticated and encrypted.  Immediately following the header,
-  Regular packets contain AEAD (Authenticated Encryption with Associated Data)
-  data.  After decryption, the plaintext consists of a sequence of
-  frames, as shown below (frames are described in {{frames}}).
+* AEAD Data: The remainder of a Regular packet is both authenticated and
+  encrypted once packet protection keys are available.  {{QUIC-TLS}} describes

Hmm, you need a normative definition of how to protect/unprotect the plaintext and that is in QUIC-TLS.

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Lots of those "TLS" codes are a bit wrong, but we'll get to that eventually.

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So this is really a set of concrete changes to the HTTP mapping that add a bunch of appropriate error codes. I might have quibbled on a few of the choices, but the overall change is such an improvement that I think we should take this and open new issues on those quibbles.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-TODO: Discuss error handling beyond just listing error codes.
+0x0000-0x3FFF:

I wonder if it would be ... nicer ... to allow the application protocol use of the lower portion of the error code space.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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-TODO: Discuss error handling beyond just listing error codes.
+0x0000-0x3FFF:

Oh, and to that end, maybe also move the host local to the same space, so we have: app, host, quic, security.

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I think that there is a hole in the logic. Say that you have a client= that prefers version 22. It receives a false advertisement that says th= at the server supports version 20 and 21 (it really does include 22, but = it's old or modified). The client will proceed into the handshake with 2= 1.

The server supports 22, and the client eventually learns this. Howeve= r, neither peer is dissatisfied with 21 and so they proceed with 21. If 2= 1 actually has a vulnerability that neither is aware of, that's an openin= g for an attacker. If the client is REQUIRED to reject this we have no s= ecurity issue, just a nasty performance one (assuming that we stick to h2= in this case because hq just failed).

The text that I currently have does not require a failure in this case= . The assumption being that if the server did not trigger version negoti= ation, then the server was OK with the version that the client offered. = I think that this is a considerable weakness in the version negotiation s= cheme because the decision to trigger negotiation is made in ignorance of= all the facts. That might be a difficult problem to address though.

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The basic property we're looking for is that the peer that chooses get= s its most preferred choice from the set of mutually supported options. = If we don't require a hard fail, it's clear to me that we don't have that= property. We might be able to regain that property by adding a bunch of= extra conditions on the ways that version hints can be advertised. But = that significantly increases the complexity of the security analysis requ= ired, as well as the fragility of the protocol.

@Mike= Bishop is right to point out that without a hint in Alt-Svc, you can = get some nasty latency effects. It's probably also true that we can add = conditions on the advertisement that will be met by Alt-Svc and address t= he concern, but we need to be very careful about this.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
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+0x0000-0x3FFF:

Perfectly happy to do that. My logic was more "modify as few existing codes as possible." ;-)

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -424,12 +426,11 @@ The fields in a Regular packet past the Common Header are the following:
   by the sender.  The first packet sent by an endpoint MUST have a packet number
   of 1.
 
-* AEAD Data: A Regular packet's Common Header and fields are authenticated,
-  but not encrypted.  The rest of a Regular packet, starting with the first
-  frame, is both authenticated and encrypted.  Immediately following the header,
-  Regular packets contain AEAD (Authenticated Encryption with Associated Data)
-  data.  After decryption, the plaintext consists of a sequence of
-  frames, as shown below (frames are described in {{frames}}).
+* AEAD Data: The remainder of a Regular packet is both authenticated and
+  encrypted once packet protection keys are available.  {{QUIC-TLS}} describes

Should it be? TLS just provides the keys; QUIC does the actual protect/unprotect work.

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  • 2c99f61 Don't go so wide
  • dabd66b De-indent a little
  • 86ab2c6 Take and improve suggestion on regular packet intro
  • 6de9527 Leave definition of AEAD Data to QUIC-TLS
  • 633ea6e The stream frame just contains fields
  • aa9c908 Timestamps are packet receive times
  • 1c96214 As with STREAM, so with BLOCKED: no payload
  • 60028fe Merge branch 'diagrams' into diagrams_mt
  • 6104a58 Merge pull request #129 from quicwg/diagrams_mt

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@janaiyengar, @ianswett - Yours are the least-invasive so far. Mind if we go ahead with this?

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop commented on this pull request. > ## Crypto and Transport Handshake {#handshake} QUIC relies on a combined crypto and transport handshake to minimize connection -establishment latency. QUIC provides a dedicated stream (Stream ID 1) to be -used for performing a combined connection and security handshake (streams are -described in detail in {{streams}}). The crypto handshake protocol encapsulates -and delivers QUIC's transport handshake to the peer on the crypto stream. The -first QUIC packet from the client to the server MUST carry handshake information -as data on Stream ID 1. +establishment latency. QUIC allocates stream 1 for the cryptographic handshake, +which uses TLS. My thought was something like this: - RFC QQQQ: Uses a crypto protocol on Stream 1, gets keys from it, uses the keys to provide an encrypted transport protocol like so.... - RFC QQQT: If your crypto protocol is TLS 1.3, here's what happens on Stream 1 and when the keys are handed to QUIC. RFC QQQQ using TLS 1.3 is defined as QUIC version T. - RFC QQQF in the far future: If your crypto protocol is Foo, here's what happens on Stream 1 and when the keys are handed to QUIC. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ## Crypto and Transport Handshake {#handshake}
 
 QUIC relies on a combined crypto and transport handshake to minimize connection
-establishment latency.  QUIC provides a dedicated stream (Stream ID 1) to be
-used for performing a combined connection and security handshake (streams are
-described in detail in {{streams}}).  The crypto handshake protocol encapsulates
-and delivers QUIC's transport handshake to the peer on the crypto stream.  The
-first QUIC packet from the client to the server MUST carry handshake information
-as data on Stream ID 1.
+establishment latency.  QUIC allocates stream 1 for the cryptographic handshake,
+which uses TLS.

My thought was something like this:

  • RFC QQQQ: Uses a crypto protocol on Stream 1, gets keys from it, uses the keys to provide an encrypted transport protocol like so....
  • RFC QQQT: If your crypto protocol is TLS 1.3, here's what happens on Stream 1 and when the keys are handed to QUIC. RFC QQQQ using TLS 1.3 is defined as QUIC version T.
  • RFC QQQF in the far future: If your crypto protocol is Foo, here's what happens on Stream 1 and when the keys are handed to QUIC. RFC QQQQ using Foo is defined as QUIC version F.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -424,12 +426,11 @@ The fields in a Regular packet past the Common Header are the following:
   by the sender.  The first packet sent by an endpoint MUST have a packet number
   of 1.
 
-* AEAD Data: A Regular packet's Common Header and fields are authenticated,
-  but not encrypted.  The rest of a Regular packet, starting with the first
-  frame, is both authenticated and encrypted.  Immediately following the header,
-  Regular packets contain AEAD (Authenticated Encryption with Associated Data)
-  data.  After decryption, the plaintext consists of a sequence of
-  frames, as shown below (frames are described in {{frames}}).
+* AEAD Data: The remainder of a Regular packet is both authenticated and
+  encrypted once packet protection keys are available.  {{QUIC-TLS}} describes

Right, what Mike said. I suggest we leave this sentence out until warranted.

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I'm not pushing in any particular direction, I just want to make sure = we understand the properties of the design we have.

If a version is vulnerable and neither peer knows it, then an attacker= has an opening. That's going to be true regardless.

This is not necessarily true. It's just a consequence of the current = negotiation design. For example, absent the structural flaws in earlier = versions of TLS, if both peers support TLS 1.3 and the server prefers it,= they either negotiate TLS 1.3 or detect a downgrade attack. The same ap= plies for cipher suite negotiation and most of the other negotiated prope= rties. There are plenty of reasons why an endpoint might have to accept = a weakened version of a protocol, but ensuring that you end up with the m= ost preferred option prevents a whole class of attacks.

For instance, we now know that SHA-1 is weak. But in many protocols, = endpoints are forced to accept it or lose the ability to communicate with= lots of peers. This is true in SIP, HTTP, and even TLS, at least for th= e time being. It's not busted to the point that we know that we absolute= ly can't use it, but we damn well wish we didn't have to support it. A n= egotiation design that could be coerced into negotiating SHA-1 when a bet= ter alternative was available would be unacceptable.

Now, I guess you could say that clients could put older or less prefer= red versions into two categories: merely tolerable and known good. If a = known good version is available and a merely tolerable version is negotia= ted, abort. That's more complicated, I don't know what we would write do= wn about it, I don't know how you would write down advice about the categ= orization, and I don't know what the analysis would look like, but it mig= ht be a feasible tweak on the existing design.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ## Crypto and Transport Handshake {#handshake}
 
 QUIC relies on a combined crypto and transport handshake to minimize connection
-establishment latency.  QUIC provides a dedicated stream (Stream ID 1) to be
-used for performing a combined connection and security handshake (streams are
-described in detail in {{streams}}).  The crypto handshake protocol encapsulates
-and delivers QUIC's transport handshake to the peer on the crypto stream.  The
-first QUIC packet from the client to the server MUST carry handshake information
-as data on Stream ID 1.
+establishment latency.  QUIC allocates stream 1 for the cryptographic handshake,
+which uses TLS.

Oh, I see how you are doing that. That's awkward: that sort of means that the normative version of quic is defined in QUIC-TLS, which includes QUIC-TRANSPORT.

I had imagined this as follows:

RFC QQQQ depends normatively on RFC QQQT, it defines v1.

Some later RFC QQQF defines a new crypto protocol mapping, describes the necessary deviations from RFC QQQQ, and would largely just be a complete replacement of RFC QQQT as well as vN.

The problem with abstraction is that it is abstract. You have to define the shape of the abstract and THEN the actual concrete embodiment. That's a lot more effort in the short term. Even if there are N future versions with different crypto protocols, the work ends up being more to define the abstraction (assuming that the interface between the two is kept clean, which I think we can manage).

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -424,12 +426,11 @@ The fields in a Regular packet past the Common Header are the following:
   by the sender.  The first packet sent by an endpoint MUST have a packet number
   of 1.
 
-* AEAD Data: A Regular packet's Common Header and fields are authenticated,
-  but not encrypted.  The rest of a Regular packet, starting with the first
-  frame, is both authenticated and encrypted.  Immediately following the header,
-  Regular packets contain AEAD (Authenticated Encryption with Associated Data)
-  data.  After decryption, the plaintext consists of a sequence of
-  frames, as shown below (frames are described in {{frames}}).
+* AEAD Data: The remainder of a Regular packet is both authenticated and
+  encrypted once packet protection keys are available.  {{QUIC-TLS}} describes

Hmm, so QUIC-TLS actually does describe how to protect/unprotect packets. We can move that text if you like and make that not-true, but you probably want to move the key schedule as well. Then we don't have much left in the TLS doc.

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----==_mimepart_5872e1259b386_25a63fba87aab1402860a4-- From nobody Sun Jan 8 19:58:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B14129470 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2017 19:58:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.219 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.219 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2XTBvh6F60m2 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2017 19:58:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11AFB1293F2 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2017 19:57:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=01ehg08UwM5u1mSAO612qNwhuOc=; b=nAJYzusR0uy+oXT/ LVuZWC4vGUxuozbvOOaL1rgAjVVoIiSABmM6fy9WrOs7GeE2kei5kOQwCKy8BeRh 1DaMW/59rnVQr8fd7MTLF1Z2oWfistjpDjTfbxbiSB+5lC39JHVJy9EUQZ08mx7z zg/Jcke7WZwdhe0RbLE0r4naPI8= Received: by filter0559p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0559p1mdw1-9616-58730A46-19 2017-01-09 03:57:58.269082276 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id dLGogqY5T9ScuWsCbNPCMw for ; Mon, 09 Jan 2017 03:57:58.383 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2017 19:57:58 -0800 From: ekr To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Protected pre-handshake packets (#39) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58730a463f685_31a63fe9e3c11134133189"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0wkkkNF2jDIjdJYMP2bk655piA27e75KU2ir AjSxvJ+ZH7J1ekEwD05YIPBFTaYiTcza41vlaiEj8W+keNV929R9gE+E+cyMSpCvXPYfYiVUE0IZph 5/aGFIjYaZyf1332V/e7pIlWtTGv2LOvRskAGOmu5G5YS5STf0344zMy1A== Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 03:58:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58730a463f685_31a63fe9e3c11134133189 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ekr commented on this pull request. > -once key agreement has completed. This means that protected messages need to be -decrypted to determine if they are TLS handshake messages or not. Similarly, -`ACK` and `WINDOW_UPDATE` frames might be needed to successfully complete the -TLS handshake. - -Any timestamps present in `ACK` frames MUST be ignored rather than causing a -fatal error. Timestamps on protected frames MAY be saved and used once the TLS -handshake completes successfully. - -An endpoint MAY save the last protected `WINDOW_UPDATE` frame it receives for -each stream and apply the values once the TLS handshake completes. Failing -to do this might result in temporary stalling of affected streams. +Due to reordering and loss, 1-RTT protected packets might be received by an +endpoint before the final TLS handshake messages are received. These will not +be able to be decrypted, unless the missing handshake messages are the second +flight of handshake messages sent by the client. This seems like it's clumsily phrased, because you state a general rule and then qualify it. There are actually three cases here, with subcases. 1. 0-RTT packets from the client to the server. 2. 1-RTT packets from the server to the client 3. 1-RTT packets from the client to the server. (a) in non-PSK mode (b) in PSK mode. Note that in case 3 you will be able to decrypt and in case 3(b) you have proof of knowledge of the PSK and of the integrity of the CH, as well as of freshness, though not of the integrity of the handshake (w/o trusting AEAD instead of the handshake). What's the general principle here? > -each stream and apply the values once the TLS handshake completes. Failing -to do this might result in temporary stalling of affected streams. +Due to reordering and loss, 1-RTT protected packets might be received by an +endpoint before the final TLS handshake messages are received. These will not +be able to be decrypted, unless the missing handshake messages are the second +flight of handshake messages sent by the client. + +Protected packets MAY be stored and later decrypted and used once the handshake +is complete. If packets are processed prior to completion of the handshake, an +attacker might use the willingness of an implementation to use these packets to +mount attacks. + +Receiving and verifying the Finished message is critical in ensuring that the +TLS handshake has completely successfully. A server MUST NOT use 1-RTT +protected packets from the client if its response depends on client +authentication. A server MAY use 1-RTT protected packets from a client prior to I assume you mean you must not use them prior to receiving the client's finished? > +Due to reordering and loss, 1-RTT protected packets might be received by an +endpoint before the final TLS handshake messages are received. These will not +be able to be decrypted, unless the missing handshake messages are the second +flight of handshake messages sent by the client. + +Protected packets MAY be stored and later decrypted and used once the handshake +is complete. If packets are processed prior to completion of the handshake, an +attacker might use the willingness of an implementation to use these packets to +mount attacks. + +Receiving and verifying the Finished message is critical in ensuring that the +TLS handshake has completely successfully. A server MUST NOT use 1-RTT +protected packets from the client if its response depends on client +authentication. A server MAY use 1-RTT protected packets from a client prior to +receiving and verifying the Finished message if it has accepted 0-RTT data and +it treats the out-of-order packets as though they only have 0-RTT protection. This doesn't seem quite right to me. 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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -once key agreement has completed.  This means that protected messages need to be
-decrypted to determine if they are TLS handshake messages or not.  Similarly,
-`ACK` and `WINDOW_UPDATE` frames might be needed to successfully complete the
-TLS handshake.
-
-Any timestamps present in `ACK` frames MUST be ignored rather than causing a
-fatal error.  Timestamps on protected frames MAY be saved and used once the TLS
-handshake completes successfully.
-
-An endpoint MAY save the last protected `WINDOW_UPDATE` frame it receives for
-each stream and apply the values once the TLS handshake completes.  Failing
-to do this might result in temporary stalling of affected streams.
+Due to reordering and loss, 1-RTT protected packets might be received by an
+endpoint before the final TLS handshake messages are received.  These will not
+be able to be decrypted, unless the missing handshake messages are the second
+flight of handshake messages sent by the client.

This seems like it's clumsily phrased, because you state a general rule and then qualify it.

There are actually three cases here, with subcases.

  1. 0-RTT packets from the client to the server.
  2. 1-RTT packets from the server to the client
  3. 1-RTT packets from the client to the server.
    (a) in non-PSK mode
    (b) in PSK mode.

Note that in case 3 you will be able to decrypt and in case 3(b) you have proof of knowledge of the PSK and of the integrity of the CH, as well as of freshness, though not of the integrity of the handshake (w/o trusting AEAD instead of the handshake). What's the general principle here?

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -each stream and apply the values once the TLS handshake completes.  Failing
-to do this might result in temporary stalling of affected streams.
+Due to reordering and loss, 1-RTT protected packets might be received by an
+endpoint before the final TLS handshake messages are received.  These will not
+be able to be decrypted, unless the missing handshake messages are the second
+flight of handshake messages sent by the client.
+
+Protected packets MAY be stored and later decrypted and used once the handshake
+is complete.  If packets are processed prior to completion of the handshake, an
+attacker might use the willingness of an implementation to use these packets to
+mount attacks.
+
+Receiving and verifying the Finished message is critical in ensuring that the
+TLS handshake has completely successfully.  A server MUST NOT use 1-RTT
+protected packets from the client if its response depends on client
+authentication.  A server MAY use 1-RTT protected packets from a client prior to

I assume you mean you must not use them prior to receiving the client's finished?

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +Due to reordering and loss, 1-RTT protected packets might be received by an
+endpoint before the final TLS handshake messages are received.  These will not
+be able to be decrypted, unless the missing handshake messages are the second
+flight of handshake messages sent by the client.
+
+Protected packets MAY be stored and later decrypted and used once the handshake
+is complete.  If packets are processed prior to completion of the handshake, an
+attacker might use the willingness of an implementation to use these packets to
+mount attacks.
+
+Receiving and verifying the Finished message is critical in ensuring that the
+TLS handshake has completely successfully.  A server MUST NOT use 1-RTT
+protected packets from the client if its response depends on client
+authentication.  A server MAY use 1-RTT protected packets from a client prior to
+receiving and verifying the Finished message if it has accepted 0-RTT data and
+it treats the out-of-order packets as though they only have 0-RTT protection.

This doesn't seem quite right to me. You do know that these are fresh.

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This means that protected messages need to be -decrypted to determine if they are TLS handshake messages or not. Similarly, -`ACK` and `WINDOW_UPDATE` frames might be needed to successfully complete the -TLS handshake. - -Any timestamps present in `ACK` frames MUST be ignored rather than causing a -fatal error. Timestamps on protected frames MAY be saved and used once the TLS -handshake completes successfully. - -An endpoint MAY save the last protected `WINDOW_UPDATE` frame it receives for -each stream and apply the values once the TLS handshake completes. Failing -to do this might result in temporary stalling of affected streams. +Due to reordering and loss, 1-RTT protected packets might be received by an +endpoint before the final TLS handshake messages are received. These will not +be able to be decrypted, unless the missing handshake messages are the second +flight of handshake messages sent by the client. Yeah, I fucked this up. I think that the observation is that the client has to buffer or discard and the server can decrypt. But what rules can be provide the server that will be guaranteed safe? The PSK point is interesting, but I'd rather not fall back on it. It's a fairly lengthy string of logic: given that the CH integrity is provided by the binder, then the server can be assured that it selected a cipher suite based on correct information, which means that you can assume that the keys AND the AEAD are correct. It's a lot to write down, I'm not sure if I want that. Do you think it's a terrible thing if we insist that the server wait for the Finished before using these packets? Or is the PSK thing worth the effort of carving out an exception? > +Due to reordering and loss, 1-RTT protected packets might be received by an +endpoint before the final TLS handshake messages are received. These will not +be able to be decrypted, unless the missing handshake messages are the second +flight of handshake messages sent by the client. + +Protected packets MAY be stored and later decrypted and used once the handshake +is complete. If packets are processed prior to completion of the handshake, an +attacker might use the willingness of an implementation to use these packets to +mount attacks. + +Receiving and verifying the Finished message is critical in ensuring that the +TLS handshake has completely successfully. A server MUST NOT use 1-RTT +protected packets from the client if its response depends on client +authentication. A server MAY use 1-RTT protected packets from a client prior to +receiving and verifying the Finished message if it has accepted 0-RTT data and +it treats the out-of-order packets as though they only have 0-RTT protection. Yeah, I'm going to strike that. If we cover this, it's all down to the PSK question. > -each stream and apply the values once the TLS handshake completes. Failing -to do this might result in temporary stalling of affected streams. +Due to reordering and loss, 1-RTT protected packets might be received by an +endpoint before the final TLS handshake messages are received. These will not +be able to be decrypted, unless the missing handshake messages are the second +flight of handshake messages sent by the client. + +Protected packets MAY be stored and later decrypted and used once the handshake +is complete. If packets are processed prior to completion of the handshake, an +attacker might use the willingness of an implementation to use these packets to +mount attacks. + +Receiving and verifying the Finished message is critical in ensuring that the +TLS handshake has completely successfully. A server MUST NOT use 1-RTT +protected packets from the client if its response depends on client +authentication. 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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -once key agreement has completed.  This means that protected messages need to be
-decrypted to determine if they are TLS handshake messages or not.  Similarly,
-`ACK` and `WINDOW_UPDATE` frames might be needed to successfully complete the
-TLS handshake.
-
-Any timestamps present in `ACK` frames MUST be ignored rather than causing a
-fatal error.  Timestamps on protected frames MAY be saved and used once the TLS
-handshake completes successfully.
-
-An endpoint MAY save the last protected `WINDOW_UPDATE` frame it receives for
-each stream and apply the values once the TLS handshake completes.  Failing
-to do this might result in temporary stalling of affected streams.
+Due to reordering and loss, 1-RTT protected packets might be received by an
+endpoint before the final TLS handshake messages are received.  These will not
+be able to be decrypted, unless the missing handshake messages are the second
+flight of handshake messages sent by the client.

Yeah, I fucked this up. I think that the observation is that the client has to buffer or discard and the server can decrypt. But what rules can be provide the server that will be guaranteed safe?

The PSK point is interesting, but I'd rather not fall back on it. It's a fairly lengthy string of logic: given that the CH integrity is provided by the binder, then the server can be assured that it selected a cipher suite based on correct information, which means that you can assume that the keys AND the AEAD are correct. It's a lot to write down, I'm not sure if I want that.

Do you think it's a terrible thing if we insist that the server wait for the Finished before using these packets? Or is the PSK thing worth the effort of carving out an exception?

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +Due to reordering and loss, 1-RTT protected packets might be received by an
+endpoint before the final TLS handshake messages are received.  These will not
+be able to be decrypted, unless the missing handshake messages are the second
+flight of handshake messages sent by the client.
+
+Protected packets MAY be stored and later decrypted and used once the handshake
+is complete.  If packets are processed prior to completion of the handshake, an
+attacker might use the willingness of an implementation to use these packets to
+mount attacks.
+
+Receiving and verifying the Finished message is critical in ensuring that the
+TLS handshake has completely successfully.  A server MUST NOT use 1-RTT
+protected packets from the client if its response depends on client
+authentication.  A server MAY use 1-RTT protected packets from a client prior to
+receiving and verifying the Finished message if it has accepted 0-RTT data and
+it treats the out-of-order packets as though they only have 0-RTT protection.

Yeah, I'm going to strike that. If we cover this, it's all down to the PSK question.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -each stream and apply the values once the TLS handshake completes.  Failing
-to do this might result in temporary stalling of affected streams.
+Due to reordering and loss, 1-RTT protected packets might be received by an
+endpoint before the final TLS handshake messages are received.  These will not
+be able to be decrypted, unless the missing handshake messages are the second
+flight of handshake messages sent by the client.
+
+Protected packets MAY be stored and later decrypted and used once the handshake
+is complete.  If packets are processed prior to completion of the handshake, an
+attacker might use the willingness of an implementation to use these packets to
+mount attacks.
+
+Receiving and verifying the Finished message is critical in ensuring that the
+TLS handshake has completely successfully.  A server MUST NOT use 1-RTT
+protected packets from the client if its response depends on client
+authentication.  A server MAY use 1-RTT protected packets from a client prior to

Yeah.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ## Crypto and Transport Handshake {#handshake}
 
 QUIC relies on a combined crypto and transport handshake to minimize connection
-establishment latency.  QUIC provides a dedicated stream (Stream ID 1) to be
-used for performing a combined connection and security handshake (streams are
-described in detail in {{streams}}).  The crypto handshake protocol encapsulates
-and delivers QUIC's transport handshake to the peer on the crypto stream.  The
-first QUIC packet from the client to the server MUST carry handshake information
-as data on Stream ID 1.
+establishment latency.  QUIC allocates stream 1 for the cryptographic handshake,
+which uses TLS.

Well, QQQQ could also say that "by default, the crypto protocol is TLS, as defined in QQQT" and register the version for that combination itself.

But yes, it is somewhat more work to do an abstraction. But then, it's already mostly that way, and I think there's value there. Either way, I think this may be a decision point we need to toss to the mailing list.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > ## Crypto and Transport Handshake {#handshake} QUIC relies on a combined crypto and transport handshake to minimize connection -establishment latency. QUIC provides a dedicated stream (Stream ID 1) to be -used for performing a combined connection and security handshake (streams are -described in detail in {{streams}}). The crypto handshake protocol encapsulates -and delivers QUIC's transport handshake to the peer on the crypto stream. The -first QUIC packet from the client to the server MUST carry handshake information -as data on Stream ID 1. +establishment latency. QUIC allocates stream 1 for the cryptographic handshake, +which uses TLS. What is that value? Because all I'm seeing right now is a section that is badly out of date and in need of maintenance. The easiest maintenance would be deleting it. I will open a thread on the list. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/122 ----==_mimepart_58740a2a5fa47_23bc3fb07d42d138299252 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ## Crypto and Transport Handshake {#handshake}
 
 QUIC relies on a combined crypto and transport handshake to minimize connection
-establishment latency.  QUIC provides a dedicated stream (Stream ID 1) to be
-used for performing a combined connection and security handshake (streams are
-described in detail in {{streams}}).  The crypto handshake protocol encapsulates
-and delivers QUIC's transport handshake to the peer on the crypto stream.  The
-first QUIC packet from the client to the server MUST carry handshake information
-as data on Stream ID 1.
+establishment latency.  QUIC allocates stream 1 for the cryptographic handshake,
+which uses TLS.

What is that value? Because all I'm seeing right now is a section that is badly out of date and in need of maintenance. The easiest maintenance would be deleting it.

I will open a thread on the list.

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[Section 5.1.2](https://quicwg.github.io/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#handling-packets-from-different-versions), which specifies the fields that are guaranteed to remain constant between different QUIC versions, must therefore define the location and size of the Connection ID. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/132 -- Commit Summary -- * read the connection ID from a packet with an unsupported version -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (2) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/132.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/132.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/132 ----==_mimepart_58745b92b2cf6_15603fe1893fb13c162987 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

According to Section 5.3, a Version Negotiation Packet MUST contain the Connection ID.
Section 5.1.2, which specifies the fields that are guaranteed to remain constant between different QUIC versions, must therefore define the location and size of the Connection ID.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/132

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  • read the connection ID from a packet with an unsupported version

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Hmm, I didn't consider that. Arguably a version negotiation packet doesn't need a connection ID.

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Merged #132.

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When I wrote the section on what can change in different versions, I originally just left an unlabelled slot for the connection ID. But @marten-seemann observed that the server is required to echo the connection ID in a version negotiation packet.

I don't think that we need the server to echo the connection ID in this case. That would allow us to restore the 8 octets to a version-specific field.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1+6YLEXfWZap5cAk3QLxV7d7FLGDjbKQDXqO MiEyouXrm542f0HQodIDUjNR4E/9jixGA+w8X+RAG+jGFHvtsGDKqs0D6MqDqqzRaUYiXmwun99Xfm yRZbGm3qAQAFWdM8yNiNvJyRl9KDGuvoGfC7D1AGoEG5D/BuRlglx5d93mbffj5br8b4pM/2FyAtmR 0= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 04:23:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587461d490535_41423fcd556fb14013286c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The document currently (though I hope to remove this) makes certificate compression a requirement of the cryptographic handshake. TLS doesn't really do compression, though it does provided cached-info ([RFC 7924](https://tools.ietf.org/html/7924)). Is this sufficient or do we need to ask the TLS working group for a compression feature. I'm assuming that if we did need to ask, we would also be responsible for providing a design. Note that TLS 1.3 aims to provide confidentiality for certificates and compression is generally fraught with hazards that compromise confidentiality. It also potentially a feature that could leak information about a client's past connections to servers. If we due pursue this, any design we create would need to carefully consider these (and likely other) risks. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/134 ----==_mimepart_587461d490535_41423fcd556fb14013286c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The document currently (though I hope to remove this) makes certificate compression a requirement of the cryptographic handshake. TLS doesn't really do compression, though it does provided cached-info (RFC 7924). Is this sufficient or do we need to ask the TLS working group for a compression feature. I'm assuming that if we did need to ask, we would also be responsible for providing a design.

Note that TLS 1.3 aims to provide confidentiality for certificates and compression is generally fraught with hazards that compromise confidentiality. It also potentially a feature that could leak information about a client's past connections to servers. If we due pursue this, any design we create would need to carefully consider these (and likely other) risks.

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@janaiyengar, I'd really like to merge this. Is there any reason I shouldn't?

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Let=E2=80=99s say an attacker sends a first packet to a QUIC server (server= A), but picks a version that the server doesn=E2=80=99t support. Furthermo= re, it spoofs the sender address of this packet to the address of another Q= UIC server (server B). The packet sent by the client will look like this: 1 byte Flags: 0x9 & Packet Number lengths bits 8 byte Connection-ID 4 byte Version Number 1, 2, 3 or 4 byte Packet Number AEAD data Server A will discover that it doesn=E2=80=99t support the QUIC version tha= t the client suggested, and reply with a Version Negotiation Packet, which = will get sent to server B. The version negotiation packet will look like th= is: 1 byte Flags: 0x9 8 byte Connection-ID 4 byte 1st Version Number 4 byte 1st Version Number .... If server B doesn=E2=80=99t support the version sent as 1st Version Number = by server A, it will not be able to distinguish this packet from a packet s= ent from a client (according to [Section 5.1.2](https://quicwg.github.io/ba= se-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#handling-packets-from-different-ve= rsions) it MUST NOT read anything from the packet except for the Flags byte= , the Connection ID and the first Version Number). Furthermore, according t= o [Section 6.1](https://quicwg.github.io/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transp= ort.html#version-negotiation) the server MUST reply to server B with a Vers= ion Negotiation Packet. Assuming that server A doesn=E2=80=99t support the version sent as 1st Vers= ion Number by server B, A and B will continue sending each other Version Ne= gotiation packets indefinitely. Note that the attacker only sent a single p= acket. --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I think I=E2=80=99ve found a DoS vulnerability in the current draft.

Let=E2=80=99s say an attacker sends a first packet to a QUIC server (ser= ver A), but picks a version that the server doesn=E2=80=99t support. Furthe= rmore, it spoofs the sender address of this packet to the address of anothe= r QUIC server (server B).
The packet sent by the client will look like this:
1 byte Flags: 0x9 & Packet Number lengths bits
8 byte Connection-ID
4 byte Version Number
1, 2, 3 or 4 byte Packet Number
AEAD data

Server A will discover that it doesn=E2=80=99t support the QUIC version = that the client suggested, and reply with a Version Negotiation Packet, whi= ch will get sent to server B. The version negotiation packet will look like= this:
1 byte Flags: 0x9
8 byte Connection-ID
4 byte 1st Version Number
4 byte 1st Version Number
....

If server B doesn=E2=80=99t support the version sent as 1st Version Numb= er by server A, it will not be able to distinguish this packet from a packe= t sent from a client (according to Section 5.1.2 it MUST NOT read anything from the packet except fo= r the Flags byte, the Connection ID and the first Version Number). Furtherm= ore, according to Section 6.1 the server MUST = reply to server B with a Version Negotiation Packet.
Assuming that server A doesn=E2=80=99t support the version sent as 1st Vers= ion Number by server B, A and B will continue sending each other Version Ne= gotiation packets indefinitely. Note that the attacker only sent a single p= acket.

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We could fix this by removing the Connection ID from Version Negotiation= Packets (#133).

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This has been fixed by requiring the VERSION bit to be set.

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We need a certain size to avoid amplification attacks. See also #38.

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Interesting configuration. I agree that it could be an issue, though it'= s a pretty small amount of data. I expect that one or other of the servers= will eventually blacklist the other, but you are right that it could be in= definite.

Removing connection ID from the server packet would seem to fix the issu= e. Note that we have to add the connection ID flag to the set of things th= at can't change between versions if that happens.

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= ----==_mimepart_587476dfd22e7_5a63ff73f7b91404925e7-- From nobody Mon Jan 9 22:41:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F15B11294DA for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 22:41:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.52 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.52 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ScWeIbEjlA-6 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 22:41:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext5.iad.github.net [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E79F12944F for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 22:41:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 22:41:32 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1484030492; bh=/H3U6h7y1CEq3n1syY1ZSx3uAAc8y5Hcxhwe3kvch0g=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=aYbcvn41+1UhFjiMKkGCh9K2QbkwpxNNQIXIMWHcoqgHNlhtpeIuxm2MUp+JxT3LF Ac8ez2BUjKzDDdhuXZbjMuIKqOz9ZXlORTMEcWJZ5zomNRlaaqd7fMILwWXog0xApL XOU7cPna/LrDp+jNA/ue5HD7UZamA9VpbMQjNPLA= From: Marten Seemann To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] DoS using Version Negotiation Packets (#135) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5874821c79ac5_57463f878e781130183347"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 06:41:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5874821c79ac5_57463f878e781130183347 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's true. I don't think there's any other way than using one of the Flag bits to indicate the perspective of the sender. The Connection ID flag seemed to be the most obvious choice, since we were thinking about removing it from Version Negotiation Packets anyway. Another option would be to reuse the Public Reset bit (0x2) for that purpose. A Public Reset would then be identified by `Flag & 0x3 == 0x2`, i.e. a packet is a Public Reset if and only if the Public Reset Flag is set AND the Version Flag is unset. For packets with the Version Flag set the server would set 0x2 and the client would not set 0x2 (or vice versa). I'm not sure if that's a cleaner solution than using the Connection ID flag, however, it would allow more flexibility regarding the Connection ID in future versions. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/135#issuecomment-271498838 ----==_mimepart_5874821c79ac5_57463f878e781130183347 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

That's true. I don't think there's any other way than using one of the= Flag bits to indicate the perspective of the sender. The Connection ID f= lag seemed to be the most obvious choice, since we were thinking about re= moving it from Version Negotiation Packets anyway.

Another option would be to reuse the Public Reset bit (0x2) for that p= urpose. A Public Reset would then be identified by Flag & 0x3 =3D= =3D 0x2, i.e. a packet is a Public Reset if and only if the Public= Reset Flag is set AND the Version Flag is unset. For packets with the Ve= rsion Flag set the server would set 0x2 and the client would not set 0x2 = (or vice versa).
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FTR I raised the issue on the TLS list here, however the main r= esponse was "compression is scary", but it could just be due to lack of d= etails on my part.

Unfortunately I haven't been able to find the time to do any experimen= ting (or indeed reply to the mail thread), and haven't heard from Victor.=

As for caching, it seems to me RFC7924 is quite a bit less flexible th= an what we have in Google QUIC (namely, you can only cache full chains, n= ot single entries AFAICT, so e.g. you can't just cache intermediates), bu= t again haven't been able to do any experimenting.

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= ----==_mimepart_5874c5178b7b9_fc83fdb2fc231308313c-- From nobody Tue Jan 10 08:11:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E9A61295DE for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 08:11:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.515 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.515 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ehMIMQgR7R1q for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 08:11:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E619129BC5 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 08:11:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=jIPT6yieb2LKawLa1Yr6ax9ufRo=; b=acpFNJCmelq/04GD 5S7muAJijI621faGFS4QEpajNzzS0kn7QVHhFPWylXHpYuJ93H9d5UA2t+uQVM2n uoImVvaY6vS/qv/oOC8tGvQJ9wpawCLcHpkTRbG2IZIt/rfknxaal7jDsl04U9MA nwviXn2gtOm9CzaroIGGGGht1VI= Received: by filter0974p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0974p1mdw1-24335-587507A9-4A 2017-01-10 16:11:21.501274891 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 0ceKECHuQmuo9O18AE1OAg for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:11:21.485 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 08:11:21 -0800 From: ianswett To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Hinting at quic version in Alt-Svc (#124) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587507a915903_35043fae5075b1402804ed"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0ScX4HnBekaQhJgt73WZ3Z2ZRkecIYWT8rjs EzxVBH41V+24bulJ0MnyYmVq8XxXOL7ydVU8cja8Ng7h/m2pI1F2BaM6MEln841njbefzAP/yReqsP GC+KQx0UVpCfzI196kc74IDWWsO2FN5T0p+Sk0XyNCRaeiUfm5Lk25JjXywAMnWvh/wNcpSebWIalC 0= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 16:11:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587507a915903_35043fae5075b1402804ed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tend to agree with Mike's points and his stated design goal. You're point about weaker versions is a valid one. If the client also indicated what versions it supported in the handshake, the server could quickly decide whether to reject or accept a slightly older version. If both are happy with the selected version given knowledge of the available options, that seems fine. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/124#issuecomment-271618294 ----==_mimepart_587507a915903_35043fae5075b1402804ed Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I tend to agree with Mike's points and his stated design goal.

You're point about weaker versions is a valid one. If the client also i= ndicated what versions it supported in the handshake, the server could quic= kly decide whether to reject or accept a slightly older version. If both a= re happy with the selected version given knowledge of the available options= , that seems fine.

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LGTM for both transport and loss-recovery drafts. I think these are currently both not very invasive.

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As a meta-comment here: I'm not sure if there really is a downgrade atta= ck because other than with TLS/crypto negotiation, I would rather not expec= t to have always the case where a newer version is better than an older one= . It might just be different; and if you need a certain feature that is onl= y supported in version X, than there is no point for you to use version Y. = Also I would expect version numbers not necessarily to increase linearly; I= guess you could just pick a random number in the available space.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ## Crypto and Transport Handshake {#handshake}
 
 QUIC relies on a combined crypto and transport handshake to minimize connection
-establishment latency.  QUIC provides a dedicated stream (Stream ID 1) to be
-used for performing a combined connection and security handshake (streams are
-described in detail in {{streams}}).  The crypto handshake protocol encapsulates
-and delivers QUIC's transport handshake to the peer on the crypto stream.  The
-first QUIC packet from the client to the server MUST carry handshake information
-as data on Stream ID 1.
+establishment latency.  QUIC allocates stream 1 for the cryptographic handshake,
+which uses TLS.

So my understanding actually was that it should be possible to change the crypto protocol without changing the version. However, that would mean you probably need another negotiation mechanism for the crypto protocol...? I guess that doesn't make sense. If we define this version to always use TLS (it doesn't have to be 1.3. though, right? should probably also be possible to support higher versions...), then we could probably move the text on requirement for a crypto protocol in the applicability statement (which we just started to write today; expect to see a -00 draft latest by next week).

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I believe this addresses the concerns I had. I assume the "length of the flags" field leaves open the possibility that a MORE_FLAGS bit might indicate two or more flag bytes at the front of the packet, if that's the way we decide to go.

Potentially splitting a > 64 bit conn id is a little strange, but I can deal with it for packets with the version flag.

Nice work.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ## Crypto and Transport Handshake {#handshake}
 
 QUIC relies on a combined crypto and transport handshake to minimize connection
-establishment latency.  QUIC provides a dedicated stream (Stream ID 1) to be
-used for performing a combined connection and security handshake (streams are
-described in detail in {{streams}}).  The crypto handshake protocol encapsulates
-and delivers QUIC's transport handshake to the peer on the crypto stream.  The
-first QUIC packet from the client to the server MUST carry handshake information
-as data on Stream ID 1.
+establishment latency.  QUIC allocates stream 1 for the cryptographic handshake,
+which uses TLS.

Yes, @MikeBishop already observed that since we don't have a negotiation for crypto protocol, this version necessarily uses TLS. And you are right to observe that any version of TLS will do, though you don't get all the properties you need from versions earlier than 1.3.

I wonder if we need explicit language saying that 1.2 isn't good enough, some stacks could negotiate 1.2, which could actually work.

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This does prevent MORE_FLAGS from being used when version negotiation is present unless the flags appear after the version field.

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CONNECT is primarily +used with HTTP proxies to establish a TLS session with an origin server for the +purposes of interacting with "https" resources. In HTTP/2, the CONNECT method is +used to establish a tunnel over a single HTTP/2 stream to a remote host for +similar purposes. I would move the second sentence to be the first, this establishes the purpose. Then you can say how: In HTTP/1.x, CONNECT is used to convert an entire connection into a tunnel to a remote host; in HTTP/2 a single stream is converted into a tunnel. Then the rest flows naturally. > +A proxy that supports CONNECT establishes a TCP connection ({{!RFC0793}}) to the +server identified in the ":authority" pseudo-header field. Once this connection +is successfully established, the proxy sends a HEADERS frame containing a 2xx +series status code to the client, as defined in {{!RFC7231}}, Section 4.3.6, on +the message control stream. + +All QUIC STREAM frames on the message data stream correspond to data sent on the +TCP connection. Any QUIC STREAM frame sent by the client is transmitted by the +proxy to the TCP server; data received from the TCP server is written to the +data stream by the proxy. Note that the size and number of TCP segments is not +guaranteed to map predictably to the size and number of QUIC STREAM frames. + +The TCP connection can be closed by either peer. When the client half-closes the +data stream, the proxy will set the FIN bit on its connection to the TCP server. +When the proxy receives a packet with the FIN bit set, it will half-close the +corresponding data stream. I realize now that there is a hole in the definition in h2: when the TCP server sends a packet with the FIN bit, the proxy needs to forward this to the client. This isn't a RST_STREAM it's a stream half-close. The expectation is that the client also respond to the half-close, but we don't say that the client MUST close. I think we should. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/100#pullrequestreview-16023694 ----==_mimepart_58755b1fe68a9_62483fa66f4d9130267716 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -246,6 +246,44 @@ DISCUSS:
 do we need to retain compatibility with HTTP/2's HPACK? 
 
 
+### The CONNECT Method
+
+In HTTP/1.x, the pseudo-method CONNECT ({{!RFC7231}}, Section 4.3.6) is used to 
+convert an HTTP connection into a tunnel to a remote host. CONNECT is primarily 
+used with HTTP proxies to establish a TLS session with an origin server for the 
+purposes of interacting with "https" resources. In HTTP/2, the CONNECT method is 
+used to establish a tunnel over a single HTTP/2 stream to a remote host for 
+similar purposes.

I would move the second sentence to be the first, this establishes the purpose. Then you can say how: In HTTP/1.x, CONNECT is used to convert an entire connection into a tunnel to a remote host; in HTTP/2 a single stream is converted into a tunnel.

Then the rest flows naturally.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +A proxy that supports CONNECT establishes a TCP connection ({{!RFC0793}}) to the 
+server identified in the ":authority" pseudo-header field. Once this connection 
+is successfully established, the proxy sends a HEADERS frame containing a 2xx 
+series status code to the client, as defined in {{!RFC7231}}, Section 4.3.6, on 
+the message control stream. 
+
+All QUIC STREAM frames on the message data stream correspond to data sent on the 
+TCP connection. Any QUIC STREAM frame sent by the client is transmitted by the 
+proxy to the TCP server; data received from the TCP server is written to the 
+data stream by the proxy. Note that the size and number of TCP segments is not 
+guaranteed to map predictably to the size and number of QUIC STREAM frames. 
+
+The TCP connection can be closed by either peer. When the client half-closes the 
+data stream, the proxy will set the FIN bit on its connection to the TCP server. 
+When the proxy receives a packet with the FIN bit set, it will half-close the 
+corresponding data stream.

I realize now that there is a hole in the definition in h2: when the TCP server sends a packet with the FIN bit, the proxy needs to forward this to the client. This isn't a RST_STREAM it's a stream half-close. The expectation is that the client also respond to the half-close, but we don't say that the client MUST close. I think we should.

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@mcmanus commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ## Crypto and Transport Handshake {#handshake}
 
 QUIC relies on a combined crypto and transport handshake to minimize connection
-establishment latency.  QUIC provides a dedicated stream (Stream ID 1) to be
-used for performing a combined connection and security handshake (streams are
-described in detail in {{streams}}).  The crypto handshake protocol encapsulates
-and delivers QUIC's transport handshake to the peer on the crypto stream.  The
-first QUIC packet from the client to the server MUST carry handshake information
-as data on Stream ID 1.
+establishment latency.  QUIC allocates stream 1 for the cryptographic handshake,
+which uses TLS.

definitely a +1 to being explicit about >= 1.3.. being overly clever for the reader is not a good thing here.

also +1 on binding a version of the protocol to TLS with text that acknowledges security versioning is done as protocol versioning.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +A proxy that supports CONNECT establishes a TCP connection ({{!RFC0793}}) to the 
+server identified in the ":authority" pseudo-header field. Once this connection 
+is successfully established, the proxy sends a HEADERS frame containing a 2xx 
+series status code to the client, as defined in {{!RFC7231}}, Section 4.3.6, on 
+the message control stream. 
+
+All QUIC STREAM frames on the message data stream correspond to data sent on the 
+TCP connection. Any QUIC STREAM frame sent by the client is transmitted by the 
+proxy to the TCP server; data received from the TCP server is written to the 
+data stream by the proxy. Note that the size and number of TCP segments is not 
+guaranteed to map predictably to the size and number of QUIC STREAM frames. 
+
+The TCP connection can be closed by either peer. When the client half-closes the 
+data stream, the proxy will set the FIN bit on its connection to the TCP server. 
+When the proxy receives a packet with the FIN bit set, it will half-close the 
+corresponding data stream.

Half-closed TCP connections with ongoing data are valid, albeit rare. I'm ambivalent about excluding them from the use of CONNECT.

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----==_mimepart_58756070787a6_a773f96fb6531382301d9-- From nobody Tue Jan 10 14:32:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28EB612960C for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 14:32:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.918 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.918 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CZZi5-gPfbxH for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 14:32:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52BCE1295AD for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 14:32:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=Tnqy7HFugOgWk9yqCDB77c001xo=; b=kIXH0tV4fnZiI1s5 Xjiv4/shDA13/ojr4Sqz2zVZNGY+B6GneSaes7XXv12qhnmFvVsgmqjWYCZe85R+ b74xFYbphYOLMxeadnbrrMvegAi41I1c0Gw9yOtLcsOtNn47GK1+K3+5TJZlPd+Q ROYfsuNGAJK+oTP79fMiEO8Ibk0= Received: by filter0949p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0949p1mdw1-27137-587560F8-1F 2017-01-10 22:32:24.691947212 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id dGfPB0xbRtCuLZAycrj5Qw for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 22:32:24.611 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 14:32:24 -0800 From: Patrick McManus To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Describe CONNECT method (#100) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587560f876a1a_3d6b3fca3c8271341041da"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mcmanus X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3XCZxB8sXouy670B7DWV1f/bePIZFwZKv1Q2 6iG96W5O25FrvyGFgMfSNOwjwAQ/10nxWpSoSoho3BfuoO95rwhomsX19YcU2fU2OmhtzzMriGhYh6 Pd7lIL8P6T328LBXuEjHrZkvGB1DTRMfUGu1fc4zShogkoLrN/lKmjy6Y4x9QdAKijL590KMTJ95mB g= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 22:32:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587560f876a1a_3d6b3fca3c8271341041da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mcmanus commented on this pull request. > +A proxy that supports CONNECT establishes a TCP connection ({{!RFC0793}}) to the +server identified in the ":authority" pseudo-header field. Once this connection +is successfully established, the proxy sends a HEADERS frame containing a 2xx +series status code to the client, as defined in {{!RFC7231}}, Section 4.3.6, on +the message control stream. + +All QUIC STREAM frames on the message data stream correspond to data sent on the +TCP connection. Any QUIC STREAM frame sent by the client is transmitted by the +proxy to the TCP server; data received from the TCP server is written to the +data stream by the proxy. Note that the size and number of TCP segments is not +guaranteed to map predictably to the size and number of QUIC STREAM frames. + +The TCP connection can be closed by either peer. When the client half-closes the +data stream, the proxy will set the FIN bit on its connection to the TCP server. +When the proxy receives a packet with the FIN bit set, it will half-close the +corresponding data stream. i think @MikeBishop is right.. should probably also call this out for the reader's attention -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/100 ----==_mimepart_587560f876a1a_3d6b3fca3c8271341041da Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@mcmanus commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +A proxy that supports CONNECT establishes a TCP connection ({{!RFC0793}}) to the 
+server identified in the ":authority" pseudo-header field. Once this connection 
+is successfully established, the proxy sends a HEADERS frame containing a 2xx 
+series status code to the client, as defined in {{!RFC7231}}, Section 4.3.6, on 
+the message control stream. 
+
+All QUIC STREAM frames on the message data stream correspond to data sent on the 
+TCP connection. Any QUIC STREAM frame sent by the client is transmitted by the 
+proxy to the TCP server; data received from the TCP server is written to the 
+data stream by the proxy. Note that the size and number of TCP segments is not 
+guaranteed to map predictably to the size and number of QUIC STREAM frames. 
+
+The TCP connection can be closed by either peer. When the client half-closes the 
+data stream, the proxy will set the FIN bit on its connection to the TCP server. 
+When the proxy receives a packet with the FIN bit set, it will half-close the 
+corresponding data stream.

i think @MikeBishop is right.. should probably also call this out for the reader's attention

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This is part of an ongoing discussion, so I don't expect to resolve this here.

I opened #134 to address the one listed requirement that TLS doesn't provide.

Closes #9.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/137

Commit Summary

  • Remove section on QUIC crypto

File Changes

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It was observed that TLS negotiates its version and that a future TLS version might be OK, but an older TLS is definitely not. We should be explicit about that. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/138 -- Commit Summary -- * TLS 1.3 is the minimum acceptable TLS version -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (14) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/138.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/138.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/138 ----==_mimepart_58756f22ef501_6e963fa58568113021314 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It was observed that TLS negotiates its version and that a future TLS version might be OK, but an older TLS is definitely not. We should be explicit about that.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+QUIC endpoints MAY set DF and pad packets when implementing probes as described in
+{{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}, or {{!RFC4821}}.
+
+QUIC endpoints MAY set DF and pad packets when it has evidence that the path between two
+previously used IP addresses has changed.
+
+### Special Considerations for Path MTU Discovery 
+
+Traditional ICMP-based path MTU discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) is
+potentially vulnerable to off-path attacks that succesfully guess the IP/port 4-tuple
+and reduce the MTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value. TCP connections mitigate this
+risk by using the (at minimum) 8 bytes of transport header echoed in the ICMP message
+to validate the TCP sequence number as valid for the current connection. However, as
+QUIC operates over UDP, this echoed information may consist only of the IP and UDP
+headers, which hold no connection-specific context except the IP/port 4-tuple.

Changes reflected in patch-1.

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I submitted patch-1, which is a major rewrite.

I realized that my PR was too long because it was extended digression = on PMTU issues. So I shrunk it down to achieve a couple of things:

  1. explicitly allow ICMP-based PMTUD
  2. Codify the requirement to pad/DF-mark handshake packets.
  3. List a few QUIC-specific considerations about ICMP PMTUD, given that = many readers are coming from the TCP world where it is less fraught.
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I believe this version either obviates or answers each comment on both= #105 and #106.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Traditional ICMP-based path MTU discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) is
+potentially vulnerable to off-path attacks that succesfully guess the IP/port 4-tuple
+and reduce the MTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value. TCP connections mitigate this
+risk by using the (at minimum) 8 bytes of transport header echoed in the ICMP message
+to validate the TCP sequence number as valid for the current connection. However, as
+QUIC operates over UDP, this echoed information may consist only of the IP and UDP
+headers, which hold no connection-specific context except the IP/port 4-tuple.
+
+Furthermore, PMTUD also performs poorly with misbehaving routers that do not send
+ICMP Packet Too Big messages {{!RFC2923}}.
+
+To mitigate this, QUIC endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD, {{!RFC4821}}, either in place of, or
+in addition to, PMTUD. This avoids the off-path attack and misbehaving router problems
+while potentially introducing multiple packet losses and long timeouts. 
+
+Due to the drawbacks of PLPMTUD, QUIC endpoints MAY use ICMP-based PTMU discovery.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +minimum MTU in the path).
+
+## Packet MTU Determination
+
+QUIC endpoints SHOULD set the Don't Fragment (DF) bit in the IP header of selected
+QUIC datagrams. These packets MUST use PADDING frames, as necessary, to raise the
+overall packet size to the expected maximum.
+
+### DF Marking {#dfmarking}
+
+The first packet from the client MUST be maximum-size and SHOULD set the DF bit.
+
+The last server-generated packet in the Transport Handshake SHOULD be padded to
+maximum-size with the DF bit set. Earlier packets may be smaller to save server
+resources until various handshake mechanisms have validated the client.
+

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms,  the recommended default
+maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. 
+
+(TODO: Should there be a high minimum MTU for QUIC to avoid ICMP attacks? If so,
+does the endpoint fail over to TCP or simply allow fragmentation?)
+
+QUIC endpoints MUST maintain a separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the
+peer is using in the connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each
+combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a different
+minimum MTU in the path).
+
+## Packet MTU Determination
+
+QUIC endpoints SHOULD set the Don't Fragment (DF) bit in the IP header of selected
+QUIC datagrams. These packets MUST use PADDING frames, as necessary, to raise the

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +different minimum MTU in the path).
+
+## Packet MTU Determination
+
+Path MTU Discovery is optional, but endpoints that implement it observe the
+following requirements.
+
+### DF Marking {#dfmarking}
+
+QUIC endpoints set the Don't Fragment (DF) bit in the IP header of selected
+QUIC datagrams. These packets MUST use PADDING frames, as necessary, to raise the
+overall packet size to the expected maximum.
+
+The first packet from the client MUST be maximum-size and set the DF bit.
+
+The last server-generated packet in the Transport Handshake MUST be padded to

Padding the server message verifies that the MTU is the same on the reverse path.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +peer is using in the connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each
+combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a
+different minimum MTU in the path).
+
+## Packet MTU Determination
+
+Path MTU Discovery is optional, but endpoints that implement it observe the
+following requirements.
+
+### DF Marking {#dfmarking}
+
+QUIC endpoints set the Don't Fragment (DF) bit in the IP header of selected
+QUIC datagrams. These packets MUST use PADDING frames, as necessary, to raise the
+overall packet size to the expected maximum.
+
+The first packet from the client MUST be maximum-size and set the DF bit.

Is that an RFC6919 "MUST (but we know that you won't)"?

It may very well be. I thought there was consensus that QUIC endpoints MUST pad handshake packets, but if not we can fight it out in #106.

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Is there a minimum MTU we want QUIC to enforce? If so, how big? If an endpoint discovers this is not achievable, what then? Do they have to fail over to TCP, or do we just let the (IPv4) network fragment packets?

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0a067rQme8/uunpH/a5zwsEZ5w5sorhxKuAG iQjhz9XlLbV79mwwrPDusL/lT0YyuOpt0Jco9PbMXGn+izQy7EN3R/0YSUTKZ/G76q1eJjlAQvhyay JfHmV9XjNvjXVQe8xUOOrP2Dcfiw0XGPorJ+6i+NdWdhaU/X5iXIc46Qxa83kR4aYFi4pTTcoUzHz4 Q= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 23:51:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58757368caf66_65ae3ffa3a011138251f1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I realized that we didn't have a lot on that point. We should. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/140 -- Commit Summary -- * Describe peer authentication -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (19) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/140.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/140.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/140 ----==_mimepart_58757368caf66_65ae3ffa3a011138251f1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I realized that we didn't have a lot on that point. We should.

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----==_mimepart_58757368caf66_65ae3ffa3a011138251f1-- From nobody Tue Jan 10 15:53:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B7A51293F9 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:53:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QUrRVJV4SCxM for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:53:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B674126D74 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:53:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 15:53:23 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1484092403; bh=jNW0Ne257Oxc/laq/BAJHKuIFHHn4qIK9L4Bhd+YjR8=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=jim4+Jg4mCh5b9JDgQ9uOvaBSOC51yFc22sMM3YLyOwRpFh+WFuH4rwsrnHfHQQ+P kF86x5OCdCILsEFPYrRfkLrQsvg/tdSGcxoBpq8HHSnK6gPsoqe1o58wG68wo6XmmL by1y7XY+Av11BMANUBHkK7evZgirfygZVcLqx43M= From: martinduke To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Version numbers (#113) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587573f3640ee_17393fb0b125b13c129059"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 23:53:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587573f3640ee_17393fb0b125b13c129059 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As a semantic matter, I believe saying "the location and size of the Flags field" can't change defers to whatever we end up putting in the flags field description for the initial version. Although I mildly disagree with your preference, given the wording perhaps this is something to argue out when someone specifies the MORE_FLAGS bit. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/113#issuecomment-271735848 ----==_mimepart_587573f3640ee_17393fb0b125b13c129059 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As a semantic matter, I believe saying "the location and size of the F= lags field" can't change defers to whatever we end up putting in the flag= s field description for the initial version.

Although I mildly disagree with your preference, given the wording per= haps this is something to argue out when someone specifies the MORE_FLAGS= bit.

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TLS provides for server authentication and (optionally) client authentication. + +A client MUST authenticate the identity of the server. This typically involves +verification that the identity of the server is included in a certificate and +that the certificate is issued by a trusted entity (see for example +{{?RFC2818}}). + +A server MAY request that the client authenticate during the handshake. A server +MAY refuse a connection if the client is unable to authenticate when requested. +The conditions for client authenticate vary based on application protocol and s/authenticate/authentication/ ? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/140#pullrequestreview-16041961 ----==_mimepart_587574fd801f0_2c593fa07c34713018424d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -464,6 +464,25 @@ Get Handshake
 {: #exchange-summary title="Interaction Summary between QUIC and TLS"}
 
 
+## Peer Authentication
+
+The requirements for authentication depend on the application protocol that is
+in use.  TLS provides for server authentication and (optionally) client authentication.
+
+A client MUST authenticate the identity of the server.  This typically involves
+verification that the identity of the server is included in a certificate and
+that the certificate is issued by a trusted entity (see for example
+{{?RFC2818}}).
+
+A server MAY request that the client authenticate during the handshake. A server
+MAY refuse a connection if the client is unable to authenticate when requested.
+The conditions for client authenticate vary based on application protocol and

s/authenticate/authentication/ ?

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@ghedo commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -464,6 +464,20 @@ Get Handshake
 {: #exchange-summary title="Interaction Summary between QUIC and TLS"}
 
 
+## TLS Version
+
+This document describes how TLS 1.3 {{!I-D.ietf-tls-tls13}} is used with QUIC.
+
+In practice, the TLS handshake will negotiate a version of TLS to use.  This
+could result in a newer version of TLS than 1.3 being negotiated if both
+endpoints support that version.  This is acceptable provided that the features
+of TLS 1.3 that are used by QUIC are supported by the newer version.
+
+A badly configured TLS implementation could negotiate TLS 1.2 or an older

TLS 1.2 is an older version, suggest removing "TLS 1.2 or".

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I believe there are three approaches I can think of.

  1. Define a fixed reasonable value, such as 1024 bytes.
  2. Define the minimum value in terms of what can fit the client hello mess= age, since requiring multi-packet CHLOs requires storing state, and that el= iminates stateless rejects.
  3. Both of the above.

At the moment, my gut is that we want #3, and when they are not achievable, we fall back to TCP. = Given IPv6 is the future(admittedly, not completely here yet), designing a= nything with IPv4 only in mind seems unwise.

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It has similar issues though with respect to maintaining the crypto handshake as an abstraction. If we agree that the crypto handshake is responsible for providing this functionality, I could move the text to the TLS draft in its entirety. But I'm not sure if that makes sense. I would rather keep it in the transport doc, but that would either be quite a lot of work to maintain the abstraction. As I've said before, I don't believe that the abstraction has any value, so I'm probably just showing my prejudices (c.f., YAGNI). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/120#issuecomment-271743041 ----==_mimepart_58757e3c2eec6_38713fabea8f313c2157b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I just split this from the transport parameters PR. It has similar issu= es though with respect to maintaining the crypto handshake as an abstractio= n.

If we agree that the crypto handshake is responsible for providing this = functionality, I could move the text to the TLS draft in its entirety. But= I'm not sure if that makes sense. I would rather keep it in the transport= doc, but that would either be quite a lot of work to maintain the abstract= ion. As I've said before, I don't believe that the abstraction has any val= ue, so I'm probably just showing my prejudices (c.f., YAGNI).

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -464,6 +464,20 @@ Get Handshake
 {: #exchange-summary title="Interaction Summary between QUIC and TLS"}
 
 
+## TLS Version
+
+This document describes how TLS 1.3 {{!I-D.ietf-tls-tls13}} is used with QUIC.
+
+In practice, the TLS handshake will negotiate a version of TLS to use.  This
+could result in a newer version of TLS than 1.3 being negotiated if both
+endpoints support that version.  This is acceptable provided that the features
+of TLS 1.3 that are used by QUIC are supported by the newer version.
+
+A badly configured TLS implementation could negotiate TLS 1.2 or an older

Yes, I think that it's helpful to include the reminder that TLS 1.2 isn't acceptable though, changing to "1.2 or another older"

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We could just pick that value. Which has the benefit(?) of providing more incentive to use IPv6. FWIW, the TLS ClientHello rarely exceeds 256 octets for an inchoate message. We have this bug for which the workaround means padding to 512 if the size hits 256, so we have good experience with how often that limit is hit. I believe that a 0-RTT ClientHello *will* often exceed 256 octets though because tickets can get pretty large. I can't imagine exceeding 512 with the configuration we have today, even with 0-RTT. That could very well change if we have to move to PQ crypto, which sometimes have absurdly large public keys. I don't see us using anything that would push the ClientHello over 1024 octets though, we'd probably reject a PQ algorithm that forced us to do that, unless we were getting a little desperate. On that basis, 1024 would seem to be plenty. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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As a practical matter, a lot of paths will support IPv6, which mandates = a 1280 octet minimum MTU and so that flows. We could just pick that value.= Which has the benefit(?) of providing more incentive to use IPv6.

FWIW, the TLS ClientHello rarely exceeds 256 octets for an inchoate mess= age. We have this bug for which the workaround means padding to 512 if the= size hits 256, so we have good experience with how often that limit is hit= .

I believe that a 0-RTT ClientHello will often exceed 256 octets= though because tickets can get pretty large. I can't imagine exceeding 51= 2 with the configuration we have today, even with 0-RTT.

That could very well change if we have to move to PQ crypto, which somet= imes have absurdly large public keys. I don't see us using anything that w= ould push the ClientHello over 1024 octets though, we'd probably reject a P= Q algorithm that forced us to do that, unless we were getting a little desp= erate. On that basis, 1024 would seem to be plenty.

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"MUST be treated as a (connection|stream) error of type ." We just need a section describing what a connection or stream error is. That belongs in the transport draft. We should wait for #131 before doing that though. We can close this issue when that is in place (not when every place we need an error code is fixed, that might take some time to work out properly). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/37#issuecomment-271803107 ----==_mimepart_5875e69f98482_72bc3fd998a3113021826b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@Mike= Bishop has already adopted the convention from HTTP/2 in #131.

"MUST be treated as a (connection|stream) error of type ."

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -464,6 +464,20 @@ Get Handshake
 {: #exchange-summary title="Interaction Summary between QUIC and TLS"}
 
 
+## TLS Version
+
+This document describes how TLS 1.3 {{!I-D.ietf-tls-tls13}} is used with QUIC.
+
+In practice, the TLS handshake will negotiate a version of TLS to use.  This
+could result in a newer version of TLS than 1.3 being negotiated if both
+endpoints support that version.  This is acceptable provided that the features
+of TLS 1.3 that are used by QUIC are supported by the newer version.
+
+A badly configured TLS implementation could negotiate TLS 1.2 or another older
+version of TLS.  An endpoint MUST terminate the connection the handshake if a

"the connection the handshake", pick one :)

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LGTM, modulo ghedo's fix.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +The requirements for authentication depend on the application protocol that is
+in use.  TLS provides server authentication and permits the server to request
+client authentication.
+
+A client MUST authenticate the identity of the server.  This typically involves
+verification that the identity of the server is included in a certificate and
+that the certificate is issued by a trusted entity (see for example
+{{?RFC2818}}).
+
+A server MAY request that the client authenticate during the handshake. A server
+MAY refuse a connection if the client is unable to authenticate when requested.
+The requirements for client authentication vary based on application protocol
+and deployment.
+
+A server MUST NOT use post-handshake client authentication (see Section 4.6.2 of
+{{!I-D.ietf-tls-tls13}}).

Mmm.... Why not? That could occur on stream 1 at any time, and should be fine, no?

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this is an important one to get in asap - thanks!

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Thanks Martin, this looks very good to me. A few editorial comments. > @@ -1198,12 +1198,25 @@ The fields of a GOAWAY frame are as follows: # Packetization and Reliability {#packetization} -The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the encrypted payload of -the resulting UDP datagram. All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the -path's MTU to avoid IP fragmentation. The recommended default maximum packet -size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. To optimize better, -endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting -the maximum packet size appropriately. +The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload, +including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields. +All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP +fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum +packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU +determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms, the recommended default nit: extra space after "mechanisms," > -size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. To optimize better, -endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting -the maximum packet size appropriately. +The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload, +including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields. +All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP +fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum +packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU +determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms, the recommended default +maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. + +QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of MTU discovery SHOULD maintain a +separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the peer is using in the +connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each combination of Is this first sentence attempting to anticipate multipath or connection migration, where a connection may send to multiple IPs? Is the second sentence implying that an endpoint should persist PMTU across connections? If so, could you clarify slightly, possibly "Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each combination of local and remote IP addresses for use in future connections."? > +including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields. +All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP +fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum +packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU +determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms, the recommended default +maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. + +QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of MTU discovery SHOULD maintain a +separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the peer is using in the +connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each combination of +local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a different minimum +MTU in the path). + +All handshake packets MUST include enough PADDING frames to bring the packet You can only have one padding frame per packet, so maybe "All handshake packets MUST include a PADDING frame to bring the packet ..."? > +All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP +fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum +packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU +determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms, the recommended default +maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. + +QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of MTU discovery SHOULD maintain a +separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the peer is using in the +connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each combination of +local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a different minimum +MTU in the path). + +All handshake packets MUST include enough PADDING frames to bring the packet +to the maximum size the endpoint is enforcing. Furthermore, all IPv4 handshake On a practical note, some OS's(ie: MacOSX) don't allow userspace apps to set the DF bit. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Thanks Martin, this looks very good to me. A few editorial comments.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1198,12 +1198,25 @@ The fields of a GOAWAY frame are as follows:
 
 # Packetization and Reliability {#packetization}
 
-The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the encrypted payload of
-the resulting UDP datagram.  All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the
-path's MTU to avoid IP fragmentation.  The recommended default maximum packet
-size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4.  To optimize better,
-endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting
-the maximum packet size appropriately.
+The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload,
+including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields.
+All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum
+packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms,  the recommended default

nit: extra space after "mechanisms,"

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4.  To optimize better,
-endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting
-the maximum packet size appropriately.
+The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload,
+including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields.
+All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum
+packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms,  the recommended default
+maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. 
+
+QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of MTU discovery SHOULD maintain a
+separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the peer is using in the
+connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each combination of

Is this first sentence attempting to anticipate multipath or connection migration, where a connection may send to multiple IPs?

Is the second sentence implying that an endpoint should persist PMTU across connections? If so, could you clarify slightly, possibly "Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each combination of local and remote IP addresses for use in future connections."?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields.
+All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum
+packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms,  the recommended default
+maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. 
+
+QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of MTU discovery SHOULD maintain a
+separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the peer is using in the
+connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each combination of
+local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a different minimum
+MTU in the path).
+
+All handshake packets MUST include enough PADDING frames to bring the packet

You can only have one padding frame per packet, so maybe "All handshake packets MUST include a PADDING frame to bring the packet ..."?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum
+packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms,  the recommended default
+maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. 
+
+QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of MTU discovery SHOULD maintain a
+separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the peer is using in the
+connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each combination of
+local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a different minimum
+MTU in the path).
+
+All handshake packets MUST include enough PADDING frames to bring the packet
+to the maximum size the endpoint is enforcing. Furthermore, all IPv4 handshake

On a practical note, some OS's(ie: MacOSX) don't allow userspace apps to set the DF bit.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +The requirements for authentication depend on the application protocol that is
+in use.  TLS provides server authentication and permits the server to request
+client authentication.
+
+A client MUST authenticate the identity of the server.  This typically involves
+verification that the identity of the server is included in a certificate and
+that the certificate is issued by a trusted entity (see for example
+{{?RFC2818}}).
+
+A server MAY request that the client authenticate during the handshake. A server
+MAY refuse a connection if the client is unable to authenticate when requested.
+The requirements for client authentication vary based on application protocol
+and deployment.
+
+A server MUST NOT use post-handshake client authentication (see Section 4.6.2 of
+{{!I-D.ietf-tls-tls13}}).

We don't have the glue for it yet. Once we have the glue parts, we can remove this paragraph.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4.  To optimize better,
-endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting
-the maximum packet size appropriately.
+The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload,
+including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields.
+All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum
+packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms,  the recommended default
+maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. 
+
+QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of MTU discovery SHOULD maintain a
+separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the peer is using in the
+connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each combination of

Yes, this refers to multipath. It's not terribly clearly written. What it's trying to say that if you have N addresses and the peer has M addresses, you should keep at least M MTU estimates. It'd be even better, though, to keep M x N MTU estimates.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum
+packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms,  the recommended default
+maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. 
+
+QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of MTU discovery SHOULD maintain a
+separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the peer is using in the
+connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each combination of
+local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a different minimum
+MTU in the path).
+
+All handshake packets MUST include enough PADDING frames to bring the packet
+to the maximum size the endpoint is enforcing. Furthermore, all IPv4 handshake

Isn't this a problem for the requirement to pad the handshake packets? Without this bit, routers could just fragment and we haven't achieved anything.

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  • Addressed Ian's comments, except...
  • I kept the DF requirement for handshake packets, because I don't see ho= w the existing Google implementation works without it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum
+packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms,  the recommended default
+maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. 
+
+QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of MTU discovery SHOULD maintain a
+separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the peer is using in the
+connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each combination of
+local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a different minimum
+MTU in the path).
+
+All handshake packets MUST include enough PADDING frames to bring the packet
+to the maximum size the endpoint is enforcing. Furthermore, all IPv4 handshake

I completely agree. In practice, most people are on networks with largish(ie: >1400 byte) MTUs, but it's a highly suboptimal situation. I'm fine with your wording, but it means we should ensure Apple plans to add support for the DF bit to MacOSX and iOS. If I've just overlooked an existing interface, then all the better.

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This seems like a pragmatic change to the current docs. We can iterate in the future, but it's much better than the status quo, so I'd like to see it merged before -01.

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Looks great! A few comments. > -size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. To optimize better, -endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting -the maximum packet size appropriately. +The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload, +including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields. +All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP +fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum +packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU +determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms, the recommended default +maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. + +QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of MTU discovery SHOULD maintain a +separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the peer is using in the +connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each combination of I think the second sentence subsumes the first one (a change in local IP is a change in the IP pair). I think the sentences can be combined: "QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of MTU discovery SHOULD maintain a separate PMTU estimate for each combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a different maximum MTU in the path)." > -endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting -the maximum packet size appropriately. +The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload, +including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields. +All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP +fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum +packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU +determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms, the recommended default +maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. + +QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of MTU discovery SHOULD maintain a +separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the peer is using in the +connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each combination of +local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a different minimum nit: minimum --> maximum > +including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields. +All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP +fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum +packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU +determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms, the recommended default +maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. + +QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of MTU discovery SHOULD maintain a +separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the peer is using in the +connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each combination of +local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a different minimum +MTU in the path). + +All handshake packets MUST include enough PADDING frames to bring the packet +1, except that the transport draft defines a PADDING frame currently as simply the Frame Type 0, meaning that a PADDING frame is basically 1 byte long. I'll change this to be Type + 0-padding to the end of the packet. > +All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP +fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum +packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU +determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms, the recommended default +maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. + +QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of MTU discovery SHOULD maintain a +separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the peer is using in the +connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each combination of +local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a different minimum +MTU in the path). + +All handshake packets MUST include enough PADDING frames to bring the packet +to the maximum size the endpoint is enforcing. Furthermore, all IPv4 handshake I would make this a SHOULD. We can't ensure that existing implementations will allow this -- I'm not sure what Win10 does, but I believe older versions of Windows don't support setting IP header bits. > +including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields. +All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP +fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum +packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU +determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms, the recommended default +maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. + +QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of MTU discovery SHOULD maintain a +separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the peer is using in the +connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each combination of +local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a different minimum +MTU in the path). + +All handshake packets MUST include enough PADDING frames to bring the packet I would switch the order of this paragraph with the previous one, to put requirements (MUST) before others. > @@ -1257,6 +1270,27 @@ frames), the receiving peer MAY send an ACK frame after a reasonable number Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. +## Special Considerations for Path MTU Discovery + +Traditional ICMP-based path MTU discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) is +potentially vulnerable to off-path attacks that succesfully guess the IP/port +4-tuple and reduce the MTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value. TCP connections +mitigate this risk by using the (at minimum) 8 bytes of transport header +echoed in the ICMP message to validate the TCP sequence number as valid for +the current connection. However, as QUIC operates over UDP, the echoed +information may consist only of the IP and UDP headers, which usually has +insufficient entropy to mitigate off-path attacks. + +As a result, endpoints that implement PMTUD SHOULD take steps to mitigate this +risk, which may include: nit: "SHOULD take steps to mitigate this risk. For instance, an application may:" -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/106#pullrequestreview-16284257 ----==_mimepart_5876f975d4199_3c8a3fc0177f1130512084 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Looks great! A few comments.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4.  To optimize better,
-endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting
-the maximum packet size appropriately.
+The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload,
+including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields.
+All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum
+packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms,  the recommended default
+maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. 
+
+QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of MTU discovery SHOULD maintain a
+separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the peer is using in the
+connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each combination of

I think the second sentence subsumes the first one (a change in local IP is a change in the IP pair). I think the sentences can be combined: "QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of MTU discovery SHOULD maintain a separate PMTU estimate for each combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a different maximum MTU in the path)."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting
-the maximum packet size appropriately.
+The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload,
+including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields.
+All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum
+packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms,  the recommended default
+maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. 
+
+QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of MTU discovery SHOULD maintain a
+separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the peer is using in the
+connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each combination of
+local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a different minimum

nit: minimum --> maximum

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields.
+All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum
+packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms,  the recommended default
+maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. 
+
+QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of MTU discovery SHOULD maintain a
+separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the peer is using in the
+connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each combination of
+local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a different minimum
+MTU in the path).
+
+All handshake packets MUST include enough PADDING frames to bring the packet

+1, except that the transport draft defines a PADDING frame currently as simply the Frame Type 0, meaning that a PADDING frame is basically 1 byte long. I'll change this to be Type + 0-padding to the end of the packet.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum
+packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms,  the recommended default
+maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. 
+
+QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of MTU discovery SHOULD maintain a
+separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the peer is using in the
+connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each combination of
+local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a different minimum
+MTU in the path).
+
+All handshake packets MUST include enough PADDING frames to bring the packet
+to the maximum size the endpoint is enforcing. Furthermore, all IPv4 handshake

I would make this a SHOULD. We can't ensure that existing implementations will allow this -- I'm not sure what Win10 does, but I believe older versions of Windows don't support setting IP header bits.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields.
+All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum
+packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms,  the recommended default
+maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. 
+
+QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of MTU discovery SHOULD maintain a
+separate PMTU estimate for each IP address the peer is using in the
+connection. Endpoints SHOULD maintain an estimate for each combination of
+local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing may have a different minimum
+MTU in the path).
+
+All handshake packets MUST include enough PADDING frames to bring the packet

I would switch the order of this paragraph with the previous one, to put requirements (MUST) before others.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1257,6 +1270,27 @@ frames), the receiving peer MAY send an ACK frame after a reasonable number
 Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are
 discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
 
+## Special Considerations for Path MTU Discovery 
+
+Traditional ICMP-based path MTU discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) is
+potentially vulnerable to off-path attacks that succesfully guess the IP/port
+4-tuple and reduce the MTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value. TCP connections
+mitigate this risk by using the (at minimum) 8 bytes of transport header
+echoed in the ICMP message to validate the TCP sequence number as valid for
+the current connection. However, as QUIC operates over UDP, the echoed
+information may consist only of the IP and UDP headers, which usually has
+insufficient entropy to mitigate off-path attacks.
+
+As a result, endpoints that implement PMTUD SHOULD take steps to mitigate this
+risk, which may include:

nit: "SHOULD take steps to mitigate this risk. For instance, an application may:"

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ## Crypto and Transport Handshake {#handshake}
 
 QUIC relies on a combined crypto and transport handshake to minimize connection
-establishment latency.  QUIC provides a dedicated stream (Stream ID 1) to be
-used for performing a combined connection and security handshake (streams are
-described in detail in {{streams}}).  The crypto handshake protocol encapsulates
-and delivers QUIC's transport handshake to the peer on the crypto stream.  The
-first QUIC packet from the client to the server MUST carry handshake information
-as data on Stream ID 1.
+establishment latency.  QUIC allocates stream 1 for the cryptographic handshake,
+which uses TLS.

+1 on >= 1.3, but I don't think this document should be tied to TLS.

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As mentioned on the mailing list, I'm in favor of a non TLS-specific resolution here. This text moves it out of transport and moves it into TLS. The text already describes how an STK is to be used, and it's largely a server-specific thing. I don't see a reason to change this, since it's also what TFO does.

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----==_mimepart_587722d7b8c3e_8973f92ca0ed1385467a5-- From nobody Wed Jan 11 22:50:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7789D1294EE for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2017 22:50:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.656 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.656 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2Vis-356PXv1 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2017 22:50:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E373512948D for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2017 22:49:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 22:49:59 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1484203799; bh=k07cnROha95KS8rmcyJ4bN1cbjgZbUwmx3gnp16qbcA=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=hWSRlg7Jrv97iTF4HxYM5yHZLHn0h75nj13CEy1QTPvJWrjiGkyhWBHmX6eb2tiwC oRJzRD000JyH4GMqJmbG14fePyDSCU4Jk6/4JVpJSAXvT/FeFn/wnGxcJr8ZcEX18J aBdmICgHlYlLnGFQx6CfjEiybeLrDOgWhMBeRLQs= From: janaiyengar To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Define transport parameters (#122) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587727173f117_a6e3fb1ecc4513465758"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 06:50:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587727173f117_a6e3fb1ecc4513465758 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar requested changes on this pull request. There's plenty of useful stuff here that can go into an uncontroversial PR on Transport Params, which I've tried to mark out. I've suggested pieces to separate into PRs for discussion. > @@ -1106,31 +1168,35 @@ protection for the QUIC negotiation. This does not prevent version downgrade during the handshake, though it means that such a downgrade causes a handshake failure. -Protocols that use the QUIC transport MUST use Application Layer Protocol -Negotiation (ALPN) {{!RFC7301}}. The ALPN identifier for the protocol MUST be -specific to the QUIC version that it operates over. When constructing a -ClientHello, clients MUST include a list of all the ALPN identifiers that they -support, regardless of whether the QUIC version that they have currently -selected supports that protocol. +TLS uses Application Layer Protocol Negotiation (ALPN) {{!RFC7301}} to select an +application protocol. The application-layer protocol MAY restrict the QUIC +versions that it can operate over. Servers MUST select an application protocol I would leave out what the application protocol MAY do from this doc > -Servers SHOULD select an application protocol based solely on the information in -the ClientHello, not using the QUIC version that the client has selected. If -the protocol that is selected is not supported with the QUIC version that is in -use, the server MAY send a QUIC version negotiation packet to select a -compatible version. +If the server cannot select a compatible combination of application protocol and +QUIC version, it MUST abort the connection. A client MUST abort a connection if +the server picks an incompatible combination of QUIC version and ALPN +identifier. I would leave this para out, since it's not for TLS to do. I think this belongs in the HTTP mapping doc. > @@ -629,10 +628,9 @@ QUIC's connection establishment begins with version negotiation, since all communication between the endpoints, including packet and frame formats, relies on the two endpoints agreeing on a version. -A QUIC connection begins with a client sending a handshake packet. Until -packets are protected by 1-RTT keys (see {{handshake}}), packets sent by a This threw me off, since I thought we had agreed that this text change was to be in a separate PR that would get discussed, since it changes text from simple version negotiation to combining it with crypto keys. Especially since we have no agreement on making TLS part of the transport doc, I think this text ought to be reverted (I've posted on the commit of this PR as well.) > + opaque value<0..2^16-1>; + } TransportParameter; + + struct { + select (Handshake.msg_type) { + case client_hello: + QuicVersion negotiated_version; + QuicVersion initial_version; + + case encrypted_extensions: + QuicVersion supported_versions<2..2^8-4>; + }; + TransportParameter parameters<30..2^16-1>; + } TransportParameters; +~~~ +{: #figure-transport-parameters title="Definition of TransportParameters"} I would separate this description of transport params out into a non-controversial separate PR. (starting from line 697) > +New transport parameters can be registered according to the rules in +{{iana-transport-parameters}}. + + +### Version Negotiation Validation {#version-validation} + +The transport parameters include three fields that encode version information. +These retroactively authenticate the version negotiation (see +{{version-negotiation}}) that is performed prior to the cryptographic handshake. + +Inclusion of these values in an extension provides integrity protection for +these values. As a result, modification of version negotiation packets by an +attacker can be detected. + +The client includes two fields in the transport parameters that it includes in +the TLS ClientHello: remove mention of TLS ClientHello > +New transport parameters can be used to by endpoints to advertise new +capabilities. This can be used to negotiate new protocol behavior. An endpoint +MUST ignore transport parameters that it does not support. + +New transport parameters can be registered according to the rules in +{{iana-transport-parameters}}. + + +### Version Negotiation Validation {#version-validation} + +The transport parameters include three fields that encode version information. +These retroactively authenticate the version negotiation (see +{{version-negotiation}}) that is performed prior to the cryptographic handshake. + +Inclusion of these values in an extension provides integrity protection for +these values. As a result, modification of version negotiation packets by an nit: "Inclusion of these values in an extension" --> "The handshake protocol" > +* The negotiated_version is the version that was finally selected for use. This + MUST be identical to the value that is on the packet that carries the + ClientHello. A server that receives a negotiated_version that does not match + the version of QUIC that is in use MUST terminate the connection with a TBD + error code. + +* The initial_version is the version that the client initially attempted to use. + If the server did not send a version negotiation packet + {{version-negotiation-packet}}, this will be identical to the + negotiated_version. + +A stateful server can remember how version negotiation was performed and +validate the initial_version value. + +A server that does not maintain state for early packets uses a different +process. If the initial and negotiated versions are the same, a stateless server Why are we discussing stateless servers? Version negotiation is part of the QUIC connection, and it is not expected that the server would shoot a version negotiation packet and just drop the connection. At any rate, this is again a function change from what is, and I think belongs in a separate PR. > ### Crypto Handshake Protocol Features +(TODO: Remove or migrate this section.) Remove this from this PR. > -#### Encoding +Definitions for each of the defined transport parameters are included in I would remove the para above from the transport params PR, and modulo comments below, add the rest of the text into a non-controversial transport params PR. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/122#pullrequestreview-16294516 ----==_mimepart_587727173f117_a6e3fb1ecc4513465758 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar requested changes on this pull request.

There's plenty of useful stuff here that can go into an uncontroversial PR on Transport Params, which I've tried to mark out. I've suggested pieces to separate into PRs for discussion.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1106,31 +1168,35 @@ protection for the QUIC negotiation.  This does not prevent version downgrade
 during the handshake, though it means that such a downgrade causes a handshake
 failure.
 
-Protocols that use the QUIC transport MUST use Application Layer Protocol
-Negotiation (ALPN) {{!RFC7301}}.  The ALPN identifier for the protocol MUST be
-specific to the QUIC version that it operates over.  When constructing a
-ClientHello, clients MUST include a list of all the ALPN identifiers that they
-support, regardless of whether the QUIC version that they have currently
-selected supports that protocol.
+TLS uses Application Layer Protocol Negotiation (ALPN) {{!RFC7301}} to select an
+application protocol.  The application-layer protocol MAY restrict the QUIC
+versions that it can operate over.  Servers MUST select an application protocol

I would leave out what the application protocol MAY do from this doc

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
-Servers SHOULD select an application protocol based solely on the information in
-the ClientHello, not using the QUIC version that the client has selected.  If
-the protocol that is selected is not supported with the QUIC version that is in
-use, the server MAY send a QUIC version negotiation packet to select a
-compatible version.
+If the server cannot select a compatible combination of application protocol and
+QUIC version, it MUST abort the connection. A client MUST abort a connection if
+the server picks an incompatible combination of QUIC version and ALPN
+identifier.

I would leave this para out, since it's not for TLS to do. I think this belongs in the HTTP mapping doc.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -629,10 +628,9 @@ QUIC's connection establishment begins with version negotiation, since all
 communication between the endpoints, including packet and frame formats, relies
 on the two endpoints agreeing on a version.
 
-A QUIC connection begins with a client sending a handshake packet.  Until
-packets are protected by 1-RTT keys (see {{handshake}}), packets sent by a

This threw me off, since I thought we had agreed that this text change was to be in a separate PR that would get discussed, since it changes text from simple version negotiation to combining it with crypto keys. Especially since we have no agreement on making TLS part of the transport doc, I think this text ought to be reverted (I've posted on the commit of this PR as well.)

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +      opaque value<0..2^16-1>;
+   } TransportParameter;
+
+   struct {
+      select (Handshake.msg_type) {
+         case client_hello:
+            QuicVersion negotiated_version;
+            QuicVersion initial_version;
+
+         case encrypted_extensions:
+            QuicVersion supported_versions<2..2^8-4>;
+      };
+      TransportParameter parameters<30..2^16-1>;
+   } TransportParameters;
+~~~
+{: #figure-transport-parameters title="Definition of TransportParameters"}

I would separate this description of transport params out into a non-controversial separate PR. (starting from line 697)

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +New transport parameters can be registered according to the rules in
+{{iana-transport-parameters}}.
+
+
+### Version Negotiation Validation {#version-validation}
+
+The transport parameters include three fields that encode version information.
+These retroactively authenticate the version negotiation (see
+{{version-negotiation}}) that is performed prior to the cryptographic handshake.
+
+Inclusion of these values in an extension provides integrity protection for
+these values.  As a result, modification of version negotiation packets by an
+attacker can be detected.
+
+The client includes two fields in the transport parameters that it includes in
+the TLS ClientHello:

remove mention of TLS ClientHello

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +New transport parameters can be used to by endpoints to advertise new
+capabilities.  This can be used to negotiate new protocol behavior.  An endpoint
+MUST ignore transport parameters that it does not support.
+
+New transport parameters can be registered according to the rules in
+{{iana-transport-parameters}}.
+
+
+### Version Negotiation Validation {#version-validation}
+
+The transport parameters include three fields that encode version information.
+These retroactively authenticate the version negotiation (see
+{{version-negotiation}}) that is performed prior to the cryptographic handshake.
+
+Inclusion of these values in an extension provides integrity protection for
+these values.  As a result, modification of version negotiation packets by an

nit: "Inclusion of these values in an extension" --> "The handshake protocol"

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +* The negotiated_version is the version that was finally selected for use.  This
+  MUST be identical to the value that is on the packet that carries the
+  ClientHello.  A server that receives a negotiated_version that does not match
+  the version of QUIC that is in use MUST terminate the connection with a TBD
+  error code.
+
+* The initial_version is the version that the client initially attempted to use.
+  If the server did not send a version negotiation packet
+  {{version-negotiation-packet}}, this will be identical to the
+  negotiated_version.
+
+A stateful server can remember how version negotiation was performed and
+validate the initial_version value.
+
+A server that does not maintain state for early packets uses a different
+process. If the initial and negotiated versions are the same, a stateless server

Why are we discussing stateless servers? Version negotiation is part of the QUIC connection, and it is not expected that the server would shoot a version negotiation packet and just drop the connection. At any rate, this is again a function change from what is, and I think belongs in a separate PR.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  ### Crypto Handshake Protocol Features
 
+(TODO: Remove or migrate this section.)

Remove this from this PR.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-#### Encoding
+Definitions for each of the defined transport parameters are included in

I would remove the para above from the transport params PR, and modulo comments below, add the rest of the text into a non-controversial transport params PR.

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Careful design of the packet header (e.g. through restriction of the version number space to also act as a magic number containing bit patterns difficult to induce in the first few bytes of an NTP or UDP packet, for example) might be useful here, in addition to size checks. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/136#issuecomment-272132254 ----==_mimepart_58775eb478eb3_598e3fa5ff545134159693 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Generalizing this issue a bit: it seems to be a requirement to make it d= ifficult for an attacker to create an apparently-valid first client packet = through a reflection or amplification attack (though it occurs to me on thi= rd reading that this might be what you mean above, Martin...)

Careful design of the packet header (e.g. through restriction of the ver= sion number space to also act as a magic number containing bit patterns dif= ficult to induce in the first few bytes of an NTP or UDP packet, for exampl= e) might be useful here, in addition to size checks.

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I like the clarifications in how this will work, and I think it'd be relatively straightforward to make the transport draft not depend on TLS in this case. > +describe/reference how this size is selected). This allows a server to send a +similar amount of data without validating ownership of an address (TBD: provide +limits on what amount of amplification is enough). + +A server eventually confirms that a client has received its messages when the +cryptographic handshake successfully completes. This might be either because +the server wishes to avoid the computational cost of completing the handshake, +or it might be that the size of the packets that are sent during the handshake +is too large. This is especially important for 0-RTT, where the server might +wish to provide application data traffic - such as a response to a request - in +response to the data carried in the early data from the client. + +To send additional data prior to completing the cryptographic handshake, the +server then needs to validate that the client owns the address that it claims. + +Two tools are provided by TLS to enable validation of client source addresses: I think it would read well to move these paragraphs to the TLS doc and title the section "Source Address Tokens using the cookie extension", and then cite the source address token section in the transport doc, once it's moved. > @@ -1133,27 +1133,6 @@ sets available to a server one-round trip earlier than parameters that are carried in QUIC packets. This document does not define that extension. -## Source Address Validation {#source-address} With some massaging, I think this text should be moved to the bottom of the Proof of Source Address Ownership section in the transport doc. > +describe/reference how this size is selected). This allows a server to send a +similar amount of data without validating ownership of an address (TBD: provide +limits on what amount of amplification is enough). + +A server eventually confirms that a client has received its messages when the +cryptographic handshake successfully completes. This might be either because +the server wishes to avoid the computational cost of completing the handshake, +or it might be that the size of the packets that are sent during the handshake +is too large. This is especially important for 0-RTT, where the server might +wish to provide application data traffic - such as a response to a request - in +response to the data carried in the early data from the client. + +To send additional data prior to completing the cryptographic handshake, the +server then needs to validate that the client owns the address that it claims. + +Two tools are provided by TLS to enable validation of client source addresses: I don't the ticket should be used for proof of source address, since by itself it's not sufficient proof and we already have the cookie extension for that. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/120#pullrequestreview-16398997 ----==_mimepart_5877b2c2ec2f_70a53f85119691341244ca Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett commented on this pull request.

I like the clarifications in how this will work, and I think it'd be relatively straightforward to make the transport draft not depend on TLS in this case.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +describe/reference how this size is selected).  This allows a server to send a
+similar amount of data without validating ownership of an address (TBD: provide
+limits on what amount of amplification is enough).
+
+A server eventually confirms that a client has received its messages when the
+cryptographic handshake successfully completes.  This might be either because
+the server wishes to avoid the computational cost of completing the handshake,
+or it might be that the size of the packets that are sent during the handshake
+is too large.  This is especially important for 0-RTT, where the server might
+wish to provide application data traffic - such as a response to a request - in
+response to the data carried in the early data from the client.
+
+To send additional data prior to completing the cryptographic handshake, the
+server then needs to validate that the client owns the address that it claims.
+
+Two tools are provided by TLS to enable validation of client source addresses:

I think it would read well to move these paragraphs to the TLS doc and title the section "Source Address Tokens using the cookie extension", and then cite the source address token section in the transport doc, once it's moved.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1133,27 +1133,6 @@ sets available to a server one-round trip earlier than parameters that are
 carried in QUIC packets.  This document does not define that extension.
 
 
-## Source Address Validation {#source-address}

With some massaging, I think this text should be moved to the bottom of the Proof of Source Address Ownership section in the transport doc.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +describe/reference how this size is selected).  This allows a server to send a
+similar amount of data without validating ownership of an address (TBD: provide
+limits on what amount of amplification is enough).
+
+A server eventually confirms that a client has received its messages when the
+cryptographic handshake successfully completes.  This might be either because
+the server wishes to avoid the computational cost of completing the handshake,
+or it might be that the size of the packets that are sent during the handshake
+is too large.  This is especially important for 0-RTT, where the server might
+wish to provide application data traffic - such as a response to a request - in
+response to the data carried in the early data from the client.
+
+To send additional data prior to completing the cryptographic handshake, the
+server then needs to validate that the client owns the address that it claims.
+
+Two tools are provided by TLS to enable validation of client source addresses:

I don't the ticket should be used for proof of source address, since by itself it's not sufficient proof and we already have the cookie extension for that.

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I support the change Martin was trying to make, but I think it could use a bit more clarification, as the existing text is a bit confusing, because it doesn't explain why the version must be specified, even though version negotiation has technically completed. As such, I'd support a merge of the functional change Martin made with some combined text? > @@ -411,8 +411,7 @@ have the VERSION bit set. This bit is always set on packets that are sent prior to connection establishment. When receiving a packet that is not associated with an existing connection, packets without a VERSION bit MUST be discarded. -While there might be similarities between different versions of this protocol, -implementations have to assume that a version that it does not support uses a +Implementations have to assume that a version that it does not support uses a nit: How about "Implementations must assume an unsupported version may use a different packet format."? > @@ -656,13 +655,15 @@ version. The resent packets MUST use new packet numbers. These packets MUST continue to have the VERSION flag set and MUST include the new negotiated protocol version. -The client MUST include its selected version on all packets until it starts -protecting packets with 1-RTT keys. Only unprotected packets and 0-RTT -protected packets can include a version. A client MUST NOT change the version -it uses unless it is in response to a version negotiation packet from the -server. +The client MUST set the VERSION flag on all packets until version negotiation Is this section just a rollback? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/141#pullrequestreview-16403844 ----==_mimepart_5877b66cf35ba_56bf3fadde99b1342447b6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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I support the change Martin was trying to make, but I think it could use a bit more clarification, as the existing text is a bit confusing, because it doesn't explain why the version must be specified, even though version negotiation has technically completed.

As such, I'd support a merge of the functional change Martin made with some combined text?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -411,8 +411,7 @@ have the VERSION bit set.  This bit is always set on packets that are sent prior
 to connection establishment.  When receiving a packet that is not associated
 with an existing connection, packets without a VERSION bit MUST be discarded.
 
-While there might be similarities between different versions of this protocol,
-implementations have to assume that a version that it does not support uses a
+Implementations have to assume that a version that it does not support uses a

nit: How about "Implementations must assume an unsupported version may use a different packet format."?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -656,13 +655,15 @@ version. The resent packets MUST use new packet numbers.  These packets MUST
 continue to have the VERSION flag set and MUST include the new negotiated
 protocol version.
 
-The client MUST include its selected version on all packets until it starts
-protecting packets with 1-RTT keys.  Only unprotected packets and 0-RTT
-protected packets can include a version.  A client MUST NOT change the version
-it uses unless it is in response to a version negotiation packet from the
-server.
+The client MUST set the VERSION flag on all packets until version negotiation

Is this section just a rollback?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -411,8 +411,7 @@ have the VERSION bit set.  This bit is always set on packets that are sent prior
 to connection establishment.  When receiving a packet that is not associated
 with an existing connection, packets without a VERSION bit MUST be discarded.
 
-While there might be similarities between different versions of this protocol,
-implementations have to assume that a version that it does not support uses a
+Implementations have to assume that a version that it does not support uses a

Done, with a minor edit.

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Thanks Jana, one minor tweak, but otherwise it LGTM.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -656,13 +655,15 @@ version. The resent packets MUST use new packet numbers.  These packets MUST
 continue to have the VERSION flag set and MUST include the new negotiated
 protocol version.
 
-The client MUST include its selected version on all packets until it starts
-protecting packets with 1-RTT keys.  Only unprotected packets and 0-RTT
-protected packets can include a version.  A client MUST NOT change the version
-it uses unless it is in response to a version negotiation packet from the
-server.
+The client MUST set the VERSION flag on all packets until version negotiation 
+concludes. Version negotiation successfully concludes when the client receives a
+packet from the server with the VERSION flag unset. All subsequent packets sent
+by the client MUST have the VERSION flag unset.

Now that I've discussed this more, how about just changing this to SHOULD, since the MUST is not enforcable anyway.

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Is there any risk that removing the connection ID from Version Negotiati= on Packets would remove a disambiguation signal that a client is relying on= ? The only condition I can come up with would be one where a client was ru= nning something like happy eyeballs using two different starting Versions a= nd then needed to disambiguate responses using the connection id sent. Tha= t seems unlikely and unwise, but it makes me wonder if there are more reaso= nable cases where it could occur.

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Why do we want QUIC to enforce a minimum MTU? On the v6 side, this is= sue is sorted; are you concerned that you'll get black hole connections o= n v4? If that is the case, won't those effect TCP as well, so that fallb= ack to TCP doesn't help?

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----==_mimepart_5877d16265783_23c33feb5438513811234e-- From nobody Thu Jan 12 10:56:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D900A1294FF for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 10:56:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.654 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JTrR8KycYHl1 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 10:56:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F2451294F4 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 10:56:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=RPwK1cYjFxspDGy+iEPnsZhanRM=; b=n+ondRMmWlPNL4Uw eCm9kpd5h8s5Q78mvJAqt9It1HytY5/vS8aB7eX4ggLwPivHFgl0dWkO1+D8laBM ufpvWVyNBFCIWlxuat8jcakBaCxVKEC54Rktbu0xhpMeJR5pHeR8tANw8lVX5Ml4 /ebsYCtFepBZ3gejHslyIwO560U= Received: by filter0444p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0444p1mdw1-16007-5877D137-35 2017-01-12 18:55:51.863493603 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id F_632fPLT162CP4PfuXiBQ for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 18:55:51.857 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 10:55:51 -0800 From: hardie To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Version downgrade vulnerability (#121) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5877d137bf9a6_1bfe73fc8d675513c1071d2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: hardie X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak23dcdXGqgv3LifElFbWWGGVgNOt/JKSifm36 /Mr5BJWEBFJ4afSLZ/I/lEgUHjmqDFTYsaxJKxwE69bZHGnKujrDTtcXCWU8CmjoVtnbgXjZyMUnqC z4eJt3NM/0Llaf3X7QXP/Qfl4AWW9KevaoOM+SbLdIJOJpj6MX5+bwIXrg== Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 18:56:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5877d137bf9a6_1bfe73fc8d675513c1071d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So, just to be sure I understand this: Client engages in version negotiation and claims to be version N. The validation step would be an effort to confirm that transport parameters conform to N. You're concerned that version N+1's use of that set of parameters would retain the same form but have a different meaning; in that case, validation by syntax doesn't work. If that's right, I agree that having design/security considerations highlighting the issue is reasonable and recommending that when the semantics of a syntactical element need to change a new codepoint should get assigned. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/121#issuecomment-272249290 ----==_mimepart_5877d137bf9a6_1bfe73fc8d675513c1071d2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So, just to be sure I understand this: Client engages in version negoti= ation and claims to be version N. The validation step would be an effort t= o confirm that transport parameters conform to N. You're concerned that ve= rsion N+1's use of that set of parameters would retain the same form but ha= ve a different meaning; in that case, validation by syntax doesn't work.

If that's right, I agree that having design/security considerations high= lighting the issue is reasonable and recommending that when the semantics o= f a syntactical element need to change a new codepoint should get assigned.=

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Commit: 8162a8584539293f06a09dd4585c368dc22fb2ad https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8162a8584539293f06a09dd4585c368dc22fb2ad Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove non-wire-facing and migration-specific error codes Commit: 24d6d169b1c56f19da1764e2ea5b6939074e075e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/24d6d169b1c56f19da1764e2ea5b6939074e075e Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Moving crypto errors into TLS document Commit: 6254c74bac08d128d4d4bd4810b5c306ae334611 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6254c74bac08d128d4d4bd4810b5c306ae334611 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- QUIC is capitalized Commit: d25776be6f40ba7e9eb256660ce7f843b05ba1c7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d25776be6f40ba7e9eb256660ce7f843b05ba1c7 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Move HTTP error code to HTTP document Commit: 4d1b4f97e485c6c773d8c2b37959494af06ebcde https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4d1b4f97e485c6c773d8c2b37959494af06ebcde Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-08 (Sun, 08 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #130 from quicwg/errors_move Relocating error code definitions into each document. Commit: fc04af539b260475e0d8d73a636a98b3fac57ec1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fc04af539b260475e0d8d73a636a98b3fac57ec1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Define version negotiation more thoroughly Commit: f91dcb8e077abfa498899b1c8b59b0ba2f511c9b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f91dcb8e077abfa498899b1c8b59b0ba2f511c9b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reserve space Commit: 189aaa530c67851525b545c1ebd72445ea9fab4b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/189aaa530c67851525b545c1ebd72445ea9fab4b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- not off Commit: c014a0f30e501ed508039174715be7e9ada0a508 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c014a0f30e501ed508039174715be7e9ada0a508 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Move version section to the top level Commit: fe41fdb4f9244f596f9cd0e3342680e19f36f266 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fe41fdb4f9244f596f9cd0e3342680e19f36f266 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #113 from quicwg/version_numbers Version numbers Commit: 89b22b99125631dd4c99523baa6cdd88b33fa692 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/89b22b99125631dd4c99523baa6cdd88b33fa692 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Cleanup whitespace Commit: b7b97f982603418f4531c33a7ab6b420350d4529 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b7b97f982603418f4531c33a7ab6b420350d4529 Author: Marten Seemann Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- read the connection ID from a packet with an unsupported version Commit: 197e2ea681f5701c0d9f558330b27955361acb67 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/197e2ea681f5701c0d9f558330b27955361acb67 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #132 from marten-seemann/fix-version-negotiation-connid read the connection ID from a packet with an unsupported version Commit: 126b070a8499dca1826b1d7d622e52e3ea024b9b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/126b070a8499dca1826b1d7d622e52e3ea024b9b Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add a change log section to each document. TLS still needs details. Commit: 4000df997a94f2c516e949de118cae77d01997ea https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4000df997a94f2c516e949de118cae77d01997ea Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Include last pre-WG draft in change log Commit: f5b6e4b59dd55c44828b7f5ce66dc78db7946bab https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f5b6e4b59dd55c44828b7f5ce66dc78db7946bab Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Missed one doc's ancestor Commit: 18513d77823944bfdb8f164b36cdab9760534c16 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/18513d77823944bfdb8f164b36cdab9760534c16 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Adding TLS changelog details Commit: 4a60a1b9faf0776d52c988ec44648fd613b8834a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4a60a1b9faf0776d52c988ec44648fd613b8834a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-11 (Wed, 11 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove trailing whitespace Commit: 99946d15e0102c2c344e7d603fc4fa63122fae73 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/99946d15e0102c2c344e7d603fc4fa63122fae73 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-01-11 (Wed, 11 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Change text that describes version negotiation in terms of crypto keys. Commit: eecb8d907341a203030078436e4eaf5e3f954a92 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/eecb8d907341a203030078436e4eaf5e3f954a92 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Address Ian's comments Commit: 5a636ef3338e17a5cc94f3acdaefc893ecbaf2e1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5a636ef3338e17a5cc94f3acdaefc893ecbaf2e1 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- MUST -> SHOULD Commit: c989c6517887d00b7121babcf151e84132ce2372 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c989c6517887d00b7121babcf151e84132ce2372 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #141 from quicwg/undoversion Change text that describes version negotiation in terms of crypto keys. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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Commit: fc04af539b260475e0d8d73a636a98b3fac57ec1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fc04af539b260475e0d8d73a636a98b3fac57ec1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Define version negotiation more thoroughly Commit: f91dcb8e077abfa498899b1c8b59b0ba2f511c9b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f91dcb8e077abfa498899b1c8b59b0ba2f511c9b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reserve space Commit: 189aaa530c67851525b545c1ebd72445ea9fab4b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/189aaa530c67851525b545c1ebd72445ea9fab4b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- not off Commit: c014a0f30e501ed508039174715be7e9ada0a508 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c014a0f30e501ed508039174715be7e9ada0a508 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Move version section to the top level Commit: fe41fdb4f9244f596f9cd0e3342680e19f36f266 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fe41fdb4f9244f596f9cd0e3342680e19f36f266 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #113 from quicwg/version_numbers Version numbers Commit: 89b22b99125631dd4c99523baa6cdd88b33fa692 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/89b22b99125631dd4c99523baa6cdd88b33fa692 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Cleanup whitespace Commit: b7b97f982603418f4531c33a7ab6b420350d4529 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b7b97f982603418f4531c33a7ab6b420350d4529 Author: Marten Seemann Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- read the connection ID from a packet with an unsupported version Commit: 197e2ea681f5701c0d9f558330b27955361acb67 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/197e2ea681f5701c0d9f558330b27955361acb67 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #132 from marten-seemann/fix-version-negotiation-connid read the connection ID from a packet with an unsupported version Commit: 126b070a8499dca1826b1d7d622e52e3ea024b9b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/126b070a8499dca1826b1d7d622e52e3ea024b9b Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add a change log section to each document. 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Thu, 12 Jan 2017 20:05:34 -0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 12:05:34 -0800 From: Mike Bishop To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5877e18ead558_499e3fbac7f4d14010848@hookshot-fe2-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 2529a2: Add definition for ICSL Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5877e18eacffa_499e3fbac7f4d14010835c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 20:05:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5877e18eacffa_499e3fbac7f4d14010835c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/connect Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 2529a252a86e762467cfe13d00c7906962a8b8b3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2529a252a86e762467cfe13d00c7906962a8b8b3 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-23 (Fri, 23 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add definition for ICSL Commit: 56e15c10d930b297c26dc706e39a8118ffc15160 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/56e15c10d930b297c26dc706e39a8118ffc15160 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-26 (Mon, 26 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reflow 'Note to Readers' in other docs Commit: 7d5b87d6c8f84f4786a006ecc3d6f74a9e2148f4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7d5b87d6c8f84f4786a006ecc3d6f74a9e2148f4 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-26 (Mon, 26 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- attacker != attacked Commit: 79a76ba20bcb0c21462cd1db81098765ebdd5d5a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/79a76ba20bcb0c21462cd1db81098765ebdd5d5a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-03 (Tue, 03 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #98 from quicwg/icsl Add definition for ICSL Commit: 9f7a92f0b6541df81ee5cd448cd6ee1afd2f9fef https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9f7a92f0b6541df81ee5cd448cd6ee1afd2f9fef Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-04 (Wed, 04 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Whitespace cleanup [ci skip] Commit: 44f1e1856f12a228d79aa8b874e87cb8134be58c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/44f1e1856f12a228d79aa8b874e87cb8134be58c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-04 (Wed, 04 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Big endian Closes #28 Commit: 70b559909ce7a4811567afe4f0b9c676b0d6ebc3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/70b559909ce7a4811567afe4f0b9c676b0d6ebc3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-04 (Wed, 04 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Let's use network byte order instead Commit: f1c42aff6d4107337a342486016ad6ace7822e15 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f1c42aff6d4107337a342486016ad6ace7822e15 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Use definition list format for error codes. Commit: 8162a8584539293f06a09dd4585c368dc22fb2ad https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8162a8584539293f06a09dd4585c368dc22fb2ad Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove non-wire-facing and migration-specific error codes Commit: 24d6d169b1c56f19da1764e2ea5b6939074e075e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/24d6d169b1c56f19da1764e2ea5b6939074e075e Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Moving crypto errors into TLS document Commit: 6254c74bac08d128d4d4bd4810b5c306ae334611 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6254c74bac08d128d4d4bd4810b5c306ae334611 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- QUIC is capitalized Commit: d25776be6f40ba7e9eb256660ce7f843b05ba1c7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d25776be6f40ba7e9eb256660ce7f843b05ba1c7 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Move HTTP error code to HTTP document Commit: 4d1b4f97e485c6c773d8c2b37959494af06ebcde https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4d1b4f97e485c6c773d8c2b37959494af06ebcde Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-08 (Sun, 08 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #130 from quicwg/errors_move Relocating error code definitions into each document. Commit: fc04af539b260475e0d8d73a636a98b3fac57ec1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fc04af539b260475e0d8d73a636a98b3fac57ec1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Define version negotiation more thoroughly Commit: f91dcb8e077abfa498899b1c8b59b0ba2f511c9b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f91dcb8e077abfa498899b1c8b59b0ba2f511c9b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reserve space Commit: 189aaa530c67851525b545c1ebd72445ea9fab4b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/189aaa530c67851525b545c1ebd72445ea9fab4b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- not off Commit: c014a0f30e501ed508039174715be7e9ada0a508 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c014a0f30e501ed508039174715be7e9ada0a508 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Move version section to the top level Commit: fe41fdb4f9244f596f9cd0e3342680e19f36f266 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fe41fdb4f9244f596f9cd0e3342680e19f36f266 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #113 from quicwg/version_numbers Version numbers Commit: 89b22b99125631dd4c99523baa6cdd88b33fa692 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/89b22b99125631dd4c99523baa6cdd88b33fa692 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Cleanup whitespace Commit: b7b97f982603418f4531c33a7ab6b420350d4529 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b7b97f982603418f4531c33a7ab6b420350d4529 Author: Marten Seemann Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- read the connection ID from a packet with an unsupported version Commit: 197e2ea681f5701c0d9f558330b27955361acb67 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/197e2ea681f5701c0d9f558330b27955361acb67 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #132 from marten-seemann/fix-version-negotiation-connid read the connection ID from a packet with an unsupported version Commit: 126b070a8499dca1826b1d7d622e52e3ea024b9b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/126b070a8499dca1826b1d7d622e52e3ea024b9b Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add a change log section to each document. TLS still needs details. Commit: 4000df997a94f2c516e949de118cae77d01997ea https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4000df997a94f2c516e949de118cae77d01997ea Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Include last pre-WG draft in change log Commit: f5b6e4b59dd55c44828b7f5ce66dc78db7946bab https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f5b6e4b59dd55c44828b7f5ce66dc78db7946bab Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Missed one doc's ancestor Commit: 18513d77823944bfdb8f164b36cdab9760534c16 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/18513d77823944bfdb8f164b36cdab9760534c16 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Adding TLS changelog details Commit: 4a60a1b9faf0776d52c988ec44648fd613b8834a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4a60a1b9faf0776d52c988ec44648fd613b8834a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-11 (Wed, 11 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove trailing whitespace Commit: 99946d15e0102c2c344e7d603fc4fa63122fae73 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/99946d15e0102c2c344e7d603fc4fa63122fae73 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-01-11 (Wed, 11 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Change text that describes version negotiation in terms of crypto keys. Commit: eecb8d907341a203030078436e4eaf5e3f954a92 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/eecb8d907341a203030078436e4eaf5e3f954a92 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Address Ian's comments Commit: 5a636ef3338e17a5cc94f3acdaefc893ecbaf2e1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5a636ef3338e17a5cc94f3acdaefc893ecbaf2e1 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- MUST -> SHOULD Commit: c989c6517887d00b7121babcf151e84132ce2372 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c989c6517887d00b7121babcf151e84132ce2372 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #141 from quicwg/undoversion Change text that describes version negotiation in terms of crypto keys. Commit: 59cf44408dae06eb04acf52018fdea1fe80cc8f3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/59cf44408dae06eb04acf52018fdea1fe80cc8f3 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into connect Commit: e9081f3f229f2ce240ddf9cd8f9ec89585f07148 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e9081f3f229f2ce240ddf9cd8f9ec89585f07148 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Hook up the error code Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/e20c7cdb0fc5...e9081f3f229f ----==_mimepart_5877e18eacffa_499e3fbac7f4d14010835c-- From nobody Thu Jan 12 12:06:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28571129408 for ; 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OK, let me try to sketch out the proposed plan:

So the server can ACK the initial packet, replays of the initial packe= t, and maybe second attempts at the initial packet, but nothing else in t= he clear.

Unlike authenticated ACKs, a cleartext ACK can be spoofed, so we need = a plan:

  1. ignore a packet that acks more than cleartext packets;
  2. if the packet acks more, just pretend that it only acked the cleartex= t packets; or
  3. treat a packet that acks more as a fatal error.

I don't know whether we can do option 3. It could open us up to denia= l of service attacks. That leads me to think that we go with option 1 he= re.

0-RTT packets can't be acknowledged by the server until the handshake = is complete (1-RTT keys). That means that loss of the ClientHello delays= acknowledgments of 0-RTT. Moreover, it means that loss of any of the se= rver messages also delays those acknowledgments (the client can't decrypt= the ACKs in that case). Here we can (and should) require that the acks = are correct; if a packet that hasn't been sent is acknowledged, we should= blow up.

The interesting one is how the client acknowledges the server's first = flight. Even though the client might have 0-RTT keys, the client won't k= now if 0-RTT has been accepted or not. If the server has rejected 0-RTT,= then using 0-RTT keys to protect an ACK will make the ACK unreadable to = the server.

For that reason, the client needs to acknowledge the server's first fl= ight of messages in the clear also. That's going to follow the same rule= s as the server acknowledging the client messages. That makes the arrang= ement symmetrical given that those packets are unprotected from the QUIC = perspective anyway. So the client then follows exactly the same rules as= the server. Acknowledge cleartext with cleartext, even 0-RTT keys are a= vailable.

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This is getting pretty close. > @@ -1198,12 +1198,23 @@ The fields of a GOAWAY frame are as follows: # Packetization and Reliability {#packetization} -The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the encrypted payload of -the resulting UDP datagram. All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the -path's MTU to avoid IP fragmentation. The recommended default maximum packet -size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. To optimize better, -endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting -the maximum packet size appropriately. +The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload, +including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields. +All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP s/path's/estimated path/ > @@ -1198,12 +1198,23 @@ The fields of a GOAWAY frame are as follows: # Packetization and Reliability {#packetization} -The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the encrypted payload of -the resulting UDP datagram. All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the -path's MTU to avoid IP fragmentation. The recommended default maximum packet -size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. To optimize better, -endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting -the maximum packet size appropriately. +The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload, +including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields. +All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP +fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum s/path's/path/ - the usual form drops the possessive. > @@ -1198,12 +1198,23 @@ The fields of a GOAWAY frame are as follows: # Packetization and Reliability {#packetization} -The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the encrypted payload of -the resulting UDP datagram. All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the -path's MTU to avoid IP fragmentation. The recommended default maximum packet -size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. To optimize better, -endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting -the maximum packet size appropriately. +The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload, +including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields. +All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP +fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum +packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU +determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms, the recommended default +maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. I don't remember any discussion concluding that those numbers are OK. Are we assuming 1398 bytes is available to IP? I find it a little strange that this is accounting for the IP and UDP headers. I usually see MTU discussed in terms of the entire IP packet. I would phrase this differently: "Prior to attempting PMTUD, or if PMTUD is not attempted, an endpoint SHOULD assume a path MTU of 1398 octets. Assuming that there are no IPv6 extension headers or IPv4 options in use, this results in a UDP payload length of 1350 octets for IPv6 and 1370 octets for IPv4." Or is the intent to actually say that either extension headers are forbidden or that elements that intend to add extension headers have to be able to pass larger packets? > -the resulting UDP datagram. All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the -path's MTU to avoid IP fragmentation. The recommended default maximum packet -size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. To optimize better, -endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting -the maximum packet size appropriately. +The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload, +including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields. +All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP +fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum +packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU +determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms, the recommended default +maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. + +All handshake packets MUST include a PADDING frame if necessary to bring the Is this ALL packets? If the server needs to send multiple handshake packets (that happens often because certificates get bloated), do they really need to pad the 10th packet they send? Surely the goal has been achieved after sending the first packet at the maximum size. (The client should only ever send one handshake packet.) > -path's MTU to avoid IP fragmentation. The recommended default maximum packet -size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. To optimize better, -endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting -the maximum packet size appropriately. +The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload, +including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields. +All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP +fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum +packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU +determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms, the recommended default +maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. + +All handshake packets MUST include a PADDING frame if necessary to bring the +packet to the maximum size the endpoint is enforcing. Furthermore, all IPv4 The phrasing here is odd. Which endpoint is enforcing a size? Endpoints don't really enforce limits, it's something on the path that is doing any enforcement. I would say that to the estimated maximum packet size for the path. Given that we don't have an estimate for the path at this point, why not use the defaults? Or are we keeping the option open to remember path MTU from a previous use of that path? FWIW, I would rather we *explicitly* enabled that as a feature if we decide that it's OK. I've had bad experiences with smuggling features into protocols, even seemingly innocuous ones. > +including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields. +All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP +fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum +packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU +determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms, the recommended default +maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. + +All handshake packets MUST include a PADDING frame if necessary to bring the +packet to the maximum size the endpoint is enforcing. Furthermore, all IPv4 +handshake packets SHOULD have the DF bit set. + +QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of MTU discovery SHOULD maintain an +estimate for each combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing +may have a different maximum MTU in the path). s/may/could > @@ -1257,6 +1268,27 @@ frames), the receiving peer MAY send an ACK frame after a reasonable number Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. +## Special Considerations for Path MTU Discovery + +Traditional ICMP-based path MTU discovery in IPv4 ({{!RFC1191}} is potentially +vulnerable to off-path attacks that succesfully guess the IP/port 4-tuple and s/succesfully/successfully > @@ -1257,6 +1268,27 @@ frames), the receiving peer MAY send an ACK frame after a reasonable number Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. +## Special Considerations for Path MTU Discovery + +Traditional ICMP-based path MTU discovery in IPv4 ({{!RFC1191}} is potentially +vulnerable to off-path attacks that succesfully guess the IP/port 4-tuple and +reduce the MTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value. TCP connections mitigate this +risk by using the (at minimum) 8 bytes of transport header echoed in the ICMP +message to validate the TCP sequence number as valid for the current +connection. However, as QUIC operates over UDP, in IPv4 the echoed information +may consist only of the IP and UDP headers, which usually has insufficient s/may consist/consists ? I don't know if there are cases where you get more or less data, are there? > @@ -1257,6 +1268,27 @@ frames), the receiving peer MAY send an ACK frame after a reasonable number Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. +## Special Considerations for Path MTU Discovery + +Traditional ICMP-based path MTU discovery in IPv4 ({{!RFC1191}} is potentially +vulnerable to off-path attacks that succesfully guess the IP/port 4-tuple and +reduce the MTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value. TCP connections mitigate this +risk by using the (at minimum) 8 bytes of transport header echoed in the ICMP +message to validate the TCP sequence number as valid for the current +connection. However, as QUIC operates over UDP, in IPv4 the echoed information +may consist only of the IP and UDP headers, which usually has insufficient +entropy to mitigate off-path attacks. + +As a result, endpoints that implement PMTUD in IPv4 SHOULD take steps to mitigate +this risk. For instance, an application may: Here you use "may" when talking about a SHOULD, which will confuse some people. > + +Traditional ICMP-based path MTU discovery in IPv4 ({{!RFC1191}} is potentially +vulnerable to off-path attacks that succesfully guess the IP/port 4-tuple and +reduce the MTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value. TCP connections mitigate this +risk by using the (at minimum) 8 bytes of transport header echoed in the ICMP +message to validate the TCP sequence number as valid for the current +connection. However, as QUIC operates over UDP, in IPv4 the echoed information +may consist only of the IP and UDP headers, which usually has insufficient +entropy to mitigate off-path attacks. + +As a result, endpoints that implement PMTUD in IPv4 SHOULD take steps to mitigate +this risk. For instance, an application may: + +* Set the IPv4 Don't Fragment (DF) bit on a small number of packets per RTT, so +that most invalid ICMP messages arrive when there are no DF packets +outstanding. Maybe just "a small proportion of packets". If you DF on every RTT as this implies, then you will pretty much always have a DF packet outstanding. > +reduce the MTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value. TCP connections mitigate this +risk by using the (at minimum) 8 bytes of transport header echoed in the ICMP +message to validate the TCP sequence number as valid for the current +connection. However, as QUIC operates over UDP, in IPv4 the echoed information +may consist only of the IP and UDP headers, which usually has insufficient +entropy to mitigate off-path attacks. + +As a result, endpoints that implement PMTUD in IPv4 SHOULD take steps to mitigate +this risk. For instance, an application may: + +* Set the IPv4 Don't Fragment (DF) bit on a small number of packets per RTT, so +that most invalid ICMP messages arrive when there are no DF packets +outstanding. + +* Store additional information from the IP or UDP headers (for example, the IP +ID or UDP checksum) to further authenticate incoming Packet Too Big messages. Maybe just "store the first IP and UDP headers from DF packets" to further authenticate [...]" -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

This is getting pretty close.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1198,12 +1198,23 @@ The fields of a GOAWAY frame are as follows:
 
 # Packetization and Reliability {#packetization}
 
-The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the encrypted payload of
-the resulting UDP datagram.  All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the
-path's MTU to avoid IP fragmentation.  The recommended default maximum packet
-size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4.  To optimize better,
-endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting
-the maximum packet size appropriately.
+The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload,
+including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields.
+All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP

s/path's/estimated path/

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1198,12 +1198,23 @@ The fields of a GOAWAY frame are as follows:
 
 # Packetization and Reliability {#packetization}
 
-The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the encrypted payload of
-the resulting UDP datagram.  All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the
-path's MTU to avoid IP fragmentation.  The recommended default maximum packet
-size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4.  To optimize better,
-endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting
-the maximum packet size appropriately.
+The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload,
+including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields.
+All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum

s/path's/path/ - the usual form drops the possessive.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1198,12 +1198,23 @@ The fields of a GOAWAY frame are as follows:
 
 # Packetization and Reliability {#packetization}
 
-The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the encrypted payload of
-the resulting UDP datagram.  All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the
-path's MTU to avoid IP fragmentation.  The recommended default maximum packet
-size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4.  To optimize better,
-endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting
-the maximum packet size appropriately.
+The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload,
+including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields.
+All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum
+packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms, the recommended default
+maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4.

I don't remember any discussion concluding that those numbers are OK. Are we assuming 1398 bytes is available to IP?

I find it a little strange that this is accounting for the IP and UDP headers. I usually see MTU discussed in terms of the entire IP packet. I would phrase this differently: "Prior to attempting PMTUD, or if PMTUD is not attempted, an endpoint SHOULD assume a path MTU of 1398 octets. Assuming that there are no IPv6 extension headers or IPv4 options in use, this results in a UDP payload length of 1350 octets for IPv6 and 1370 octets for IPv4."

Or is the intent to actually say that either extension headers are forbidden or that elements that intend to add extension headers have to be able to pass larger packets?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -the resulting UDP datagram.  All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the
-path's MTU to avoid IP fragmentation.  The recommended default maximum packet
-size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4.  To optimize better,
-endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting
-the maximum packet size appropriately.
+The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload,
+including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields.
+All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum
+packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms, the recommended default
+maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. 
+
+All handshake packets MUST include a PADDING frame if necessary to bring the

Is this ALL packets? If the server needs to send multiple handshake packets (that happens often because certificates get bloated), do they really need to pad the 10th packet they send? Surely the goal has been achieved after sending the first packet at the maximum size. (The client should only ever send one handshake packet.)

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -path's MTU to avoid IP fragmentation.  The recommended default maximum packet
-size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4.  To optimize better,
-endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting
-the maximum packet size appropriately.
+The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload,
+including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields.
+All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum
+packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms, the recommended default
+maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. 
+
+All handshake packets MUST include a PADDING frame if necessary to bring the
+packet to the maximum size the endpoint is enforcing. Furthermore, all IPv4

The phrasing here is odd. Which endpoint is enforcing a size? Endpoints don't really enforce limits, it's something on the path that is doing any enforcement. I would say that to the estimated maximum packet size for the path.

Given that we don't have an estimate for the path at this point, why not use the defaults? Or are we keeping the option open to remember path MTU from a previous use of that path? FWIW, I would rather we explicitly enabled that as a feature if we decide that it's OK. I've had bad experiences with smuggling features into protocols, even seemingly innocuous ones.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields.
+All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum
+packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms, the recommended default
+maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. 
+
+All handshake packets MUST include a PADDING frame if necessary to bring the
+packet to the maximum size the endpoint is enforcing. Furthermore, all IPv4
+handshake packets SHOULD have the DF bit set.
+
+QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of MTU discovery SHOULD maintain an
+estimate for each combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing
+may have a different maximum MTU in the path).

s/may/could

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1257,6 +1268,27 @@ frames), the receiving peer MAY send an ACK frame after a reasonable number
 Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are
 discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
 
+## Special Considerations for Path MTU Discovery 
+
+Traditional ICMP-based path MTU discovery in IPv4 ({{!RFC1191}} is potentially
+vulnerable to off-path attacks that succesfully guess the IP/port 4-tuple and

s/succesfully/successfully

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1257,6 +1268,27 @@ frames), the receiving peer MAY send an ACK frame after a reasonable number
 Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are
 discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
 
+## Special Considerations for Path MTU Discovery 
+
+Traditional ICMP-based path MTU discovery in IPv4 ({{!RFC1191}} is potentially
+vulnerable to off-path attacks that succesfully guess the IP/port 4-tuple and
+reduce the MTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value. TCP connections mitigate this
+risk by using the (at minimum) 8 bytes of transport header echoed in the ICMP
+message to validate the TCP sequence number as valid for the current
+connection. However, as QUIC operates over UDP, in IPv4 the echoed information
+may consist only of the IP and UDP headers, which usually has insufficient

s/may consist/consists ? I don't know if there are cases where you get more or less data, are there?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1257,6 +1268,27 @@ frames), the receiving peer MAY send an ACK frame after a reasonable number
 Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are
 discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
 
+## Special Considerations for Path MTU Discovery 
+
+Traditional ICMP-based path MTU discovery in IPv4 ({{!RFC1191}} is potentially
+vulnerable to off-path attacks that succesfully guess the IP/port 4-tuple and
+reduce the MTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value. TCP connections mitigate this
+risk by using the (at minimum) 8 bytes of transport header echoed in the ICMP
+message to validate the TCP sequence number as valid for the current
+connection. However, as QUIC operates over UDP, in IPv4 the echoed information
+may consist only of the IP and UDP headers, which usually has insufficient
+entropy to mitigate off-path attacks.
+
+As a result, endpoints that implement PMTUD in IPv4 SHOULD take steps to mitigate
+this risk. For instance, an application may:

Here you use "may" when talking about a SHOULD, which will confuse some people.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+Traditional ICMP-based path MTU discovery in IPv4 ({{!RFC1191}} is potentially
+vulnerable to off-path attacks that succesfully guess the IP/port 4-tuple and
+reduce the MTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value. TCP connections mitigate this
+risk by using the (at minimum) 8 bytes of transport header echoed in the ICMP
+message to validate the TCP sequence number as valid for the current
+connection. However, as QUIC operates over UDP, in IPv4 the echoed information
+may consist only of the IP and UDP headers, which usually has insufficient
+entropy to mitigate off-path attacks.
+
+As a result, endpoints that implement PMTUD in IPv4 SHOULD take steps to mitigate
+this risk. For instance, an application may:
+
+* Set the IPv4 Don't Fragment (DF) bit on a small number of packets per RTT, so
+that most invalid ICMP messages arrive when there are no DF packets
+outstanding.

Maybe just "a small proportion of packets". If you DF on every RTT as this implies, then you will pretty much always have a DF packet outstanding.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +reduce the MTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value. TCP connections mitigate this
+risk by using the (at minimum) 8 bytes of transport header echoed in the ICMP
+message to validate the TCP sequence number as valid for the current
+connection. However, as QUIC operates over UDP, in IPv4 the echoed information
+may consist only of the IP and UDP headers, which usually has insufficient
+entropy to mitigate off-path attacks.
+
+As a result, endpoints that implement PMTUD in IPv4 SHOULD take steps to mitigate
+this risk. For instance, an application may:
+
+* Set the IPv4 Don't Fragment (DF) bit on a small number of packets per RTT, so
+that most invalid ICMP messages arrive when there are no DF packets
+outstanding.
+
+* Store additional information from the IP or UDP headers (for example, the IP
+ID or UDP checksum) to further authenticate incoming Packet Too Big messages.

Maybe just "store the first IP and UDP headers from DF packets" to further authenticate [...]"

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Tagging this as "needs discussion," not for the editorial aspect of it, but because this reflects the "Does Transport depend on TLS?" discussion. If Transport depends on TLS, we can't have a DAG.

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This is decoupled per the changes in #122 (which are mired in a separate discussion). Whether = #122 gets merged before= -01 snaps or not, let's confirm that this issue is resolved acceptably at = the interim.

In -00, the text was this:

The ALPN identifier for the protocol MUST be specific to the QUIC versio= n that it operates over.

The text in #122 cur= rently says:

The application-layer protocol MAY restrict the QUIC versions that it ca= n operate over. Servers MUST select an application protocol compatible wit= h the QUIC version that the client has selected.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

` if (rto_count = 0):
alarm_duration = max(200ms, smoothed_rtt + 4 x rttvar);
else:
alarm_duration = loss_detection_alarm.get_delay() << 1;
rto_count++;

The return value of get_delay() is not defined anywhere in the document.

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This does not prevent version downgrade during the handshake, though it means that such a downgrade causes a handshake failure. -Protocols that use the QUIC transport MUST use Application Layer Protocol -Negotiation (ALPN) {{!RFC7301}}. The ALPN identifier for the protocol MUST be -specific to the QUIC version that it operates over. When constructing a -ClientHello, clients MUST include a list of all the ALPN identifiers that they -support, regardless of whether the QUIC version that they have currently -selected supports that protocol. +TLS uses Application Layer Protocol Negotiation (ALPN) {{!RFC7301}} to select an +application protocol. The application-layer protocol MAY restrict the QUIC +versions that it can operate over. Servers MUST select an application protocol I actually think this is appropriate, because it's describing how app-protocol selection works. TLS already enables you to advertise lists of things you support, not all of which are rational combinations. This is describing how TLS should handle ALPN in QUIC. However, if you wanted to move part of this text to the -transport document and describe app-protocol selection independent of the crypto protocol in use, I wouldn't object. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/122 ----==_mimepart_587819cda3ac1_7633ff38773b13412261d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1106,31 +1168,35 @@ protection for the QUIC negotiation.  This does not prevent version downgrade
 during the handshake, though it means that such a downgrade causes a handshake
 failure.
 
-Protocols that use the QUIC transport MUST use Application Layer Protocol
-Negotiation (ALPN) {{!RFC7301}}.  The ALPN identifier for the protocol MUST be
-specific to the QUIC version that it operates over.  When constructing a
-ClientHello, clients MUST include a list of all the ALPN identifiers that they
-support, regardless of whether the QUIC version that they have currently
-selected supports that protocol.
+TLS uses Application Layer Protocol Negotiation (ALPN) {{!RFC7301}} to select an
+application protocol.  The application-layer protocol MAY restrict the QUIC
+versions that it can operate over.  Servers MUST select an application protocol

I actually think this is appropriate, because it's describing how app-protocol selection works. TLS already enables you to advertise lists of things you support, not all of which are rational combinations. This is describing how TLS should handle ALPN in QUIC.

However, if you wanted to move part of this text to the -transport document and describe app-protocol selection independent of the crypto protocol in use, I wouldn't object.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
-Servers SHOULD select an application protocol based solely on the information in
-the ClientHello, not using the QUIC version that the client has selected.  If
-the protocol that is selected is not supported with the QUIC version that is in
-use, the server MAY send a QUIC version negotiation packet to select a
-compatible version.
+If the server cannot select a compatible combination of application protocol and
+QUIC version, it MUST abort the connection. A client MUST abort a connection if
+the server picks an incompatible combination of QUIC version and ALPN
+identifier.

As before. It is for TLS to do, since the server will run into this while trying to process ALPN, but you're correct that it's going to be an issue for any crypto protocol.

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----==_mimepart_58781b5b29b30_34953fa8e0ebf140134153-- From nobody Thu Jan 12 16:21:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD08B129567 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:21:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.655 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.655 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C1WF-nMFjWhB for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:21:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0ED76129554 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:21:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=T9BvmOMo3bJqMNQsEjFPqkA/q7c=; b=qPxfyF1K4Xv8CPzZ IxW7mvsjCUU0z9P9zTGqVkxWoDylx6XrTl2J3BoTOh6QUM2kFpvqLvn0pt0HrSn8 UYM33/IBlORrYlQ6nsAZpHrMkFS2dGDvEmRjI08n9lVfM7cizu8i486w42JuSWUH EYgwK+tss0BipmRdJgWX9b+Pjgk= Received: by filter0916p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0916p1mdw1-19439-58781D8B-30 2017-01-13 00:21:31.901728835 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id kCyXGtePR6m__3f8oPOcsA for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 00:21:31.885 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:21:31 -0800 From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] How big should the first client packet be? (#136) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58781d8bba17b_3ada3fa4c095d1302150fb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0loO8duixGx2+R0Df8lL4XSS2sI9+DFD+vPh 4pgcEcJSjKlUk3Mw2lEyjBouAUSOrvLSCVIiEZmQbm7AOn2C1vsbMlH6LGlRuwzdXEzAgXeEXOpTPb yaBNV1Z0q7IuTF9/lSLNoONBJdW0LoQw8RfztFOPQG+7VXM2PlVZd7oqGrWHxQwkatpupGrBM94Dxq c= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 00:21:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58781d8bba17b_3ada3fa4c095d1302150fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That wasn't what I was thinking, though that was the subject of #135. The reason that we need a big first client packet is so that the server won't end up sending more (or much more) than the client sent. With source address spoofing, that's the amplification attack. I don't know if it's worth doing a lot about reflections off other protocols onto a QUIC server. It's pretty hard to fake a ClientHello because of the need to get lengths correct all the way down, the right extensions in the right places, cipher suites that make sense, etc... But the front of the packet (where this probably matters more) can pretty much be random gunk and get past at least basic filters. The exception being the flags octet and the version field. Screw up the version field and your packet ends up on the floor, screw up the version field and you get version negotiation. Is 32 bits enough? You might have more luck with 0-RTT packets, which are basically random noise, but those are just going to get dumped. They might get saved, but only up to a certain limit. Now, I would insist they include a version field, which helps if you think 32 bits is enough, but @janaiyengar disagrees for reasons I am incapable of understanding apparently. Open a separate issue if you think that there's something to chase up here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/136#issuecomment-272325793 ----==_mimepart_58781d8bba17b_3ada3fa4c095d1302150fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

That wasn't what I was thinking, though that was the subject of #135. The reason that we ne= ed a big first client packet is so that the server won't end up sending mor= e (or much more) than the client sent. With source address spoofing, that'= s the amplification attack.

I don't know if it's worth doing a lot about reflections off other proto= cols onto a QUIC server. It's pretty hard to fake a ClientHello because of= the need to get lengths correct all the way down, the right extensions in = the right places, cipher suites that make sense, etc... But the front of t= he packet (where this probably matters more) can pretty much be random gunk= and get past at least basic filters.

The exception being the flags octet and the version field. Screw up the= version field and your packet ends up on the floor, screw up the version f= ield and you get version negotiation. Is 32 bits enough?

You might have more luck with 0-RTT packets, which are basically random = noise, but those are just going to get dumped. They might get saved, but o= nly up to a certain limit. Now, I would insist they include a version fiel= d, which helps if you think 32 bits is enough, but @janaiyengar disagrees for re= asons I am incapable of understanding apparently.

Open a separate issue if you think that there's something to chase up he= re.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1133,27 +1133,6 @@ sets available to a server one-round trip earlier than parameters that are
 carried in QUIC packets.  This document does not define that extension.
 
 
-## Source Address Validation {#source-address}

So I admit that I don't understand what @janaiyengar has in mind, but if you wanted to use these mechanisms, you could. If you ALSO wanted to keep the logical split, then you say "the crypto handshake is responsible for performing source address validation" and then we shuffle things around.

I didn't recognize that option when I originally put this together. See the mailing list thread for more.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +describe/reference how this size is selected).  This allows a server to send a
+similar amount of data without validating ownership of an address (TBD: provide
+limits on what amount of amplification is enough).
+
+A server eventually confirms that a client has received its messages when the
+cryptographic handshake successfully completes.  This might be either because
+the server wishes to avoid the computational cost of completing the handshake,
+or it might be that the size of the packets that are sent during the handshake
+is too large.  This is especially important for 0-RTT, where the server might
+wish to provide application data traffic - such as a response to a request - in
+response to the data carried in the early data from the client.
+
+To send additional data prior to completing the cryptographic handshake, the
+server then needs to validate that the client owns the address that it claims.
+
+Two tools are provided by TLS to enable validation of client source addresses:

The ticket would only be used for 0-RTT. You don't get to use the cookie extension for the first ClientHello. That's a TLS limitation, we don't have a mechanism for providing a cookie for use in a future connection. Nor do we need one because that is something that the session ticket can be used for.

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----==_mimepart_58781f784bcfc_1681c3fbaf1d4d140115319-- From nobody Thu Jan 12 16:33:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A5F129571 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:33:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.155 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.155 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ygeVVs_gtKDw for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:33:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext5.iad.github.net [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0ACA61294FF for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:33:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:33:41 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1484267621; bh=MasZuIrAPzLm4H4m/2696bfbNkG13A/Q7bGdkjG0SvE=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Wcv6LpTGuBLR+iLoWuxf0PWD3t46P3NlfBk9CnC2I78MEN463xyxH45/KaazC+n9x U4FvC5tJnRCOAihal7MzfPIGVCYpt1HmM+wiRRAZguRH3lbIomN4XTaS4WQvIcSpv7 sIojic+nk2hsfdTu9F/azo5VhuLa2W50P1pQcBSQ= From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Change text that describes version negotiation in terms of crypto keys. (#141) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5878206565fe5_32043fb3ee6c31301762f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 00:33:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5878206565fe5_32043fb3ee6c31301762f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > @@ -656,13 +655,15 @@ version. The resent packets MUST use new packet numbers. These packets MUST continue to have the VERSION flag set and MUST include the new negotiated protocol version. -The client MUST include its selected version on all packets until it starts -protecting packets with 1-RTT keys. Only unprotected packets and 0-RTT -protected packets can include a version. A client MUST NOT change the version -it uses unless it is in response to a version negotiation packet from the -server. +The client MUST set the VERSION flag on all packets until version negotiation +concludes. Version negotiation successfully concludes when the client receives a +packet from the server with the VERSION flag unset. All subsequent packets sent +by the client MUST have the VERSION flag unset. It is absolutely enforceable. Unless your point is that the presence of absence of the version field isn't authenticated, in which case I guess I'd have to concede that you don't want an attacker ADDING a version to your packet so that you would kill the connection. If we are going with a SHOULD here, we need to explain why (and the consequences if the SHOULD is not respected, I'll open a small PR). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/141 ----==_mimepart_5878206565fe5_32043fb3ee6c31301762f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -656,13 +655,15 @@ version. The resent packets MUST use new packet numbers.  These packets MUST
 continue to have the VERSION flag set and MUST include the new negotiated
 protocol version.
 
-The client MUST include its selected version on all packets until it starts
-protecting packets with 1-RTT keys.  Only unprotected packets and 0-RTT
-protected packets can include a version.  A client MUST NOT change the version
-it uses unless it is in response to a version negotiation packet from the
-server.
+The client MUST set the VERSION flag on all packets until version negotiation 
+concludes. Version negotiation successfully concludes when the client receives a
+packet from the server with the VERSION flag unset. All subsequent packets sent
+by the client MUST have the VERSION flag unset.

It is absolutely enforceable. Unless your point is that the presence of absence of the version field isn't authenticated, in which case I guess I'd have to concede that you don't want an attacker ADDING a version to your packet so that you would kill the connection.

If we are going with a SHOULD here, we need to explain why (and the consequences if the SHOULD is not respected, I'll open a small PR).

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The consequence is that clients that attempt to create multiple connections on the *same N-tuple* will be unable to identify which connection triggered version negotiation. That leads to a bunch of things, none of which seem particularly dire: * version negotiation packets from the server need to be given to all connections that were created on that N-tuple at the client (which should be one in most cases) * servers can't send different sets of versions to clients on the same N-tuple (otherwise client's could end up switching their version more than once) * clients have to ignore version negotiation packets on established connections (for the above reason, they should probably only look at the first) * clients have to ignore version negotiation packets that include their selected version BTW, I like the idea of trying multiple concurrent versions on the same N-tuple. Version negotiation is a bit of a weak point in the protocol and that could make things move more quickly. The original thought I had for this was server-to-server connections, where you might want to have multiple connections on the same N-tuple for other reasons. 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The consequence is that clients that attempt to create multiple connec= tions on the same N-tuple will be unable to identify which conne= ction triggered version negotiation. That leads to a bunch of things, no= ne of which seem particularly dire:

  • version negotiation packets from the server need to be given to all c= onnections that were created on that N-tuple at the client (which should = be one in most cases)
  • servers can't send different sets of versions to clients on the same = N-tuple (otherwise client's could end up switching their version more tha= n once)
  • clients have to ignore version negotiation packets on established con= nections (for the above reason, they should probably only look at the fir= st)
  • clients have to ignore version negotiation packets that include their= selected version

BTW, I like the idea of trying multiple concurrent versions on the sam= e N-tuple. Version negotiation is a bit of a weak point in the protocol = and that could make things move more quickly.

The original thought I had for this was server-to-server connections, = where you might want to have multiple connections on the same N-tuple for= other reasons. For instance, maybe you had run out of streams and wante= d to keep the congestion controller state active while replacing the conn= ection.

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5878236e137ce_2a423fd1d75e313c73287"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 00:46:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5878236e137ce_2a423fd1d75e313c73287 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/version_negotiation Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 2b97e5ec6032b34fde154278bc26749097a4a2b7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2b97e5ec6032b34fde154278bc26749097a4a2b7 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-23 (Fri, 23 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Reflow 'Note to Readers' and a few other spots. Commit: 56e15c10d930b297c26dc706e39a8118ffc15160 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/56e15c10d930b297c26dc706e39a8118ffc15160 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-26 (Mon, 26 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reflow 'Note to Readers' in other docs Commit: 7d5b87d6c8f84f4786a006ecc3d6f74a9e2148f4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7d5b87d6c8f84f4786a006ecc3d6f74a9e2148f4 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-26 (Mon, 26 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- attacker != attacked Commit: 79a76ba20bcb0c21462cd1db81098765ebdd5d5a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/79a76ba20bcb0c21462cd1db81098765ebdd5d5a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-03 (Tue, 03 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #98 from quicwg/icsl Add definition for ICSL Commit: 9f7a92f0b6541df81ee5cd448cd6ee1afd2f9fef https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9f7a92f0b6541df81ee5cd448cd6ee1afd2f9fef Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-04 (Wed, 04 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Whitespace cleanup [ci skip] Commit: 44f1e1856f12a228d79aa8b874e87cb8134be58c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/44f1e1856f12a228d79aa8b874e87cb8134be58c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-04 (Wed, 04 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Big endian Closes #28 Commit: 70b559909ce7a4811567afe4f0b9c676b0d6ebc3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/70b559909ce7a4811567afe4f0b9c676b0d6ebc3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-04 (Wed, 04 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Let's use network byte order instead Commit: f1c42aff6d4107337a342486016ad6ace7822e15 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f1c42aff6d4107337a342486016ad6ace7822e15 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Use definition list format for error codes. Commit: 8162a8584539293f06a09dd4585c368dc22fb2ad https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8162a8584539293f06a09dd4585c368dc22fb2ad Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove non-wire-facing and migration-specific error codes Commit: 24d6d169b1c56f19da1764e2ea5b6939074e075e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/24d6d169b1c56f19da1764e2ea5b6939074e075e Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Moving crypto errors into TLS document Commit: 6254c74bac08d128d4d4bd4810b5c306ae334611 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6254c74bac08d128d4d4bd4810b5c306ae334611 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- QUIC is capitalized Commit: d25776be6f40ba7e9eb256660ce7f843b05ba1c7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d25776be6f40ba7e9eb256660ce7f843b05ba1c7 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Move HTTP error code to HTTP document Commit: c1f801b48d2aaff47159257bfd2eb2fa985f741f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c1f801b48d2aaff47159257bfd2eb2fa985f741f Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Added error code ranges Commit: ef385ee9f41518012b79737b30fdd50379117d80 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ef385ee9f41518012b79737b30fdd50379117d80 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- TLS errors in new range Commit: 13bdc70f3e5fb110d62dad52819f1bb9a28a2f3a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/13bdc70f3e5fb110d62dad52819f1bb9a28a2f3a Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Define HTTP-layer error codes in HTTP document Commit: 4d1b4f97e485c6c773d8c2b37959494af06ebcde https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4d1b4f97e485c6c773d8c2b37959494af06ebcde Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-08 (Sun, 08 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #130 from quicwg/errors_move Relocating error code definitions into each document. Commit: fc04af539b260475e0d8d73a636a98b3fac57ec1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fc04af539b260475e0d8d73a636a98b3fac57ec1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Define version negotiation more thoroughly Commit: f91dcb8e077abfa498899b1c8b59b0ba2f511c9b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f91dcb8e077abfa498899b1c8b59b0ba2f511c9b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reserve space Commit: 189aaa530c67851525b545c1ebd72445ea9fab4b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/189aaa530c67851525b545c1ebd72445ea9fab4b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- not off Commit: c014a0f30e501ed508039174715be7e9ada0a508 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c014a0f30e501ed508039174715be7e9ada0a508 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Move version section to the top level Commit: fe41fdb4f9244f596f9cd0e3342680e19f36f266 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fe41fdb4f9244f596f9cd0e3342680e19f36f266 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #113 from quicwg/version_numbers Version numbers Commit: 89b22b99125631dd4c99523baa6cdd88b33fa692 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/89b22b99125631dd4c99523baa6cdd88b33fa692 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Cleanup whitespace Commit: b7b97f982603418f4531c33a7ab6b420350d4529 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b7b97f982603418f4531c33a7ab6b420350d4529 Author: Marten Seemann Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- read the connection ID from a packet with an unsupported version Commit: 197e2ea681f5701c0d9f558330b27955361acb67 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/197e2ea681f5701c0d9f558330b27955361acb67 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #132 from marten-seemann/fix-version-negotiation-connid read the connection ID from a packet with an unsupported version Commit: 126b070a8499dca1826b1d7d622e52e3ea024b9b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/126b070a8499dca1826b1d7d622e52e3ea024b9b Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add a change log section to each document. TLS still needs details. Commit: 4000df997a94f2c516e949de118cae77d01997ea https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4000df997a94f2c516e949de118cae77d01997ea Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Include last pre-WG draft in change log Commit: f5b6e4b59dd55c44828b7f5ce66dc78db7946bab https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f5b6e4b59dd55c44828b7f5ce66dc78db7946bab Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Missed one doc's ancestor Commit: 18513d77823944bfdb8f164b36cdab9760534c16 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/18513d77823944bfdb8f164b36cdab9760534c16 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Adding TLS changelog details Commit: 4a60a1b9faf0776d52c988ec44648fd613b8834a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4a60a1b9faf0776d52c988ec44648fd613b8834a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-11 (Wed, 11 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove trailing whitespace Commit: 99946d15e0102c2c344e7d603fc4fa63122fae73 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/99946d15e0102c2c344e7d603fc4fa63122fae73 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-01-11 (Wed, 11 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Change text that describes version negotiation in terms of crypto keys. Commit: eecb8d907341a203030078436e4eaf5e3f954a92 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/eecb8d907341a203030078436e4eaf5e3f954a92 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Address Ian's comments Commit: 5a636ef3338e17a5cc94f3acdaefc893ecbaf2e1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5a636ef3338e17a5cc94f3acdaefc893ecbaf2e1 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- MUST -> SHOULD Commit: c989c6517887d00b7121babcf151e84132ce2372 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c989c6517887d00b7121babcf151e84132ce2372 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #141 from quicwg/undoversion Change text that describes version negotiation in terms of crypto keys. Commit: c1e73f2109bc64e938ba7ac1bc55a34a744d1c10 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c1e73f2109bc64e938ba7ac1bc55a34a744d1c10 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reordering error code ranges, per Martin Commit: dfaff7b5d7f7f0d04b268404aefb459165f9af44 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dfaff7b5d7f7f0d04b268404aefb459165f9af44 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into error_space2 Commit: 4c6d86dc35b753e8d512811c280d88a56b4ec680 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4c6d86dc35b753e8d512811c280d88a56b4ec680 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #131 from quicwg/error_space2 Marking #74 as 'confirm-consensus' and incorporating into draft. Commit: d6d08b89a035912048aa56d406431da02e575aed https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d6d08b89a035912048aa56d406431da02e575aed Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Describe CONNECT method (#100) Describes CONNECT method, using the error code defined in #131. Commit: 5b5e75d5e54ef2434ec0caa861c5650da6fc24ac https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5b5e75d5e54ef2434ec0caa861c5650da6fc24ac Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-13 (Fri, 13 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Version negotiation isn't the MOST important feature Let's try to keep the order of this section relevant. Version negotiation is novel in a transport protocol, but it's not the most important thing. Also, we don't need to include a lot of details here. Commit: 9ceea5809fae1981506789e14f802aaec2953dda https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9ceea5809fae1981506789e14f802aaec2953dda Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-13 (Fri, 13 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Duplicate header creates duplicate anchor Commit: da0bf63ac7f14a069496bac6d289483681bdb627 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/da0bf63ac7f14a069496bac6d289483681bdb627 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-13 (Fri, 13 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Whitespace cleanup Commit: 67f82996de9c7fdabcf2f2a675679bdbec374d0b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/67f82996de9c7fdabcf2f2a675679bdbec374d0b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-13 (Fri, 13 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'version_benefit' Commit: 2dbdf6692c005f117723adf8d9893145b70a922b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2dbdf6692c005f117723adf8d9893145b70a922b Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into version_negotiation Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/eba9e2b821aa...2dbdf6692c00 ----==_mimepart_5878236e137ce_2a423fd1d75e313c73287-- From nobody Thu Jan 12 16:47:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047251295B0 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:47:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.251 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.251 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 98T3bue8XgmJ for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:47:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A3D51295AE for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:47:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=RlsXHqpa9NF4eQhVKL5oJN7PN2o=; b=HknQh6KoYZ0dFZ/A DKqEDO5Rgnd1hjkAHACxpZJCmACTB6s1WwYtfpnmb+2cO+uThoAltEQmvKMad8Cw eaFHWFEbTnJsFpZmbxO7ZST4CNMdVQT/eIUYa9knWLwBn+2c24Z9H3yy8Kub7dfC U6mqemIK7hKtrbAqYdSpCVfzP2Q= Received: by filter0526p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0526p1mdw1-2171-58782393-1E 2017-01-13 00:47:15.419847358 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id YbEoWseGTNaBMxgzNSLFCA for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 00:47:15.350 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:47:15 -0800 From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Only do version negotiation once (#143) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58782393448dc_d423fb7d8b6d1344487f8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0633gygyEn2UqidkpHHuWxr2YM0Sn0MkSACb Q2VauTV+k7mez8jy/vz18oyqQiWbrNhNyK9znHfBhzh4yD3t15iv7jSzZl7v6yz8xXe6pjSIhG6SJs GJY3Mvz59UcobN5fffHfryzMdk15cJylQamlUZxSu00FTUW7bMQJaQK9D5A3ies04ARWFRKuviQ/Ae s= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 00:47:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58782393448dc_d423fb7d8b6d1344487f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Servers shouldn't need to send more than one version negotiation packet, they only resend so that they are stateless and to deal with packet loss on the return path. Clients should ignore version negotiation packets if they already have received packets from the server. This requirement on the client could be used for denial of service in the case where the legitimate server needs to use version negotiation. If an attacker can race a legitimate looking ServerHello at the client (which isn't impossible), then the client will ignore the real server's attempt at version negotiation. This is hard for an off-path attacker due to the need to echo certain parts of the client initial packet. (I'd say connection ID is enough, but that might run afoul of #119.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/143 ----==_mimepart_58782393448dc_d423fb7d8b6d1344487f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Servers shouldn't need to send more than one version negotiation packet, they only resend so that they are stateless and to deal with packet loss on the return path.

Clients should ignore version negotiation packets if they already have received packets from the server.

This requirement on the client could be used for denial of service in the case where the legitimate server needs to use version negotiation. If an attacker can race a legitimate looking ServerHello at the client (which isn't impossible), then the client will ignore the real server's attempt at version negotiation. This is hard for an off-path attacker due to the need to echo certain parts of the client initial packet. (I'd say connection ID is enough, but that might run afoul of #119.)

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But isn't this line adding trailing whitespace?

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Having a minimum would help with #136 and #38.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1198,12 +1198,23 @@ The fields of a GOAWAY frame are as follows:
 
 # Packetization and Reliability {#packetization}
 
-The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the encrypted payload of
-the resulting UDP datagram.  All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the
-path's MTU to avoid IP fragmentation.  The recommended default maximum packet
-size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4.  To optimize better,
-endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting
-the maximum packet size appropriately.
+The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload,
+including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields.
+All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP

Separately, it might be wise to expand MTU on first use.

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I had to test that it worked on circle. :)

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To be clear, I'm not going to propose that we define that. I just found the notion appealing, that's all. Happy to open an issue if you think that it's worth chasing down.

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I had to test that it worked on circle. :)

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It's only because editors that don't have this problem actually trim on save and introduce bunches of unrelated changes, like the ones below.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +      opaque value<0..2^16-1>;
+   } TransportParameter;
+
+   struct {
+      select (Handshake.msg_type) {
+         case client_hello:
+            QuicVersion negotiated_version;
+            QuicVersion initial_version;
+
+         case encrypted_extensions:
+            QuicVersion supported_versions<2..2^8-4>;
+      };
+      TransportParameter parameters<30..2^16-1>;
+   } TransportParameters;
+~~~
+{: #figure-transport-parameters title="Definition of TransportParameters"}

Why would it be non-controversial - this is the entire point of this PR?

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----==_mimepart_58783f0d53d08_262923fb99be2713088373-- From nobody Thu Jan 12 21:15:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BF0B129A47 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 21:15:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZLA6MdNmV_f2 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 21:15:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE53812962B for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 21:15:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=0nP7MmRwpSpftWVcZwR+IEuWco4=; b=GBs0NIg6oyc/7z4P DoMD3TD2ja/joo04ZT4bji555g9aD+XzKbzO5w/vWMD9OUqlkoX405wJIxQ3LpE0 AtBZL95Xx+dq4EYr9cZG+F3FoTFrzk3jnM5cNdciUaAg5zWWfSyIPQNAVnLHPJfn +s+Yy3yhHN23z1UrVWGlCXmqRyc= Received: by filter0842p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0842p1mdw1-5862-5878625F-30 2017-01-13 05:15:11.63769933 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id PCi2X3mjSqGP240fATo1pw for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 05:15:11.579 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 21:15:11 -0800 From: Marten Seemann To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] What happens with lost packets that are detected when an Ack arrives (#144) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5878625f771f2_d1d3fe5b4e2d1302516fb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0EgI8CLlRbdYYAce0Z1MsQGkh6INAiWWpWz3 SAQkrDFkLLAOeYfqodiiMjSh+apjFMyJmQmATq/6njyBk6GJi1rvfQMjW9Ct0PCffMsS59iOGowFLO +zX+QTTEKywA8JUiNQrdMspcPPt451ndgdv3/FA16OhthwSzM6fhgOwFa/i6b9aSl4G/1ie4GkObCf s= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 05:15:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5878625f771f2_d1d3fe5b4e2d1302516fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the loss recovery draft, `OnPacketAcked` is called for every packet that is acked by an incoming Ack frame. This function calls `DetectLostPackets`, which returns a list of packets that are considered lost. However, this return value is never used in `OnPacketAcked`. Furthermore, looking at `DetectLostPackets` in detail, it seems to me that it would be sufficient to call that function once (with the largest observed packet as function parameter) when receiving an Ack. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/144 ----==_mimepart_5878625f771f2_d1d3fe5b4e2d1302516fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In the loss recovery draft, OnPacketAcked is called for every packet that is acked by an incoming Ack frame.
This function calls DetectLostPackets, which returns a list of packets that are considered lost. However, this return value is never used in OnPacketAcked.

Furthermore, looking at DetectLostPackets in detail, it seems to me that it would be sufficient to call that function once (with the largest observed packet as function parameter) when receiving an Ack.

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In addition to repairing gaps in stream data, I think there are two mo= re important point when it comes to prioritizing retransmissions:

  • if the lost packet contained a WINDOW_UPDATE, the peer might become f= low control blocked, although the sender has already committed to receivi= ng more data. This is particularly severe if the WINDOW_UPDATE increases = the connection-level flow control window
  • if the lost packet contained a RST_STREAM, the peer might continue se= nding data on a stream that the sender is not interested in at all

For these reasons, we always prioritize retransmissions in quic-go.

I'd be in favor a sentence like the following (maybe in the Packetization section= ):

A sender SHOULD give priority to any retransmittable data over transmi= tting new stream data.

Just another quick remark to your issue: flow control can never limit the capacity for sending a retransmission.

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The current version of the draft already states that a peer that received stream data beyond the final offset (received either in STREAM frame with the FIN flag set or in a RST_STREAM frame) MUST close the connection with a QUIC_STREAM_DATA_AFTER_TERMINATION error. However, due to packet reordering, the packet carrying the final offset might be delayed, such that the peer first receives STREAM frames up to a certain offset, and then receives the final offset, and notices that the final offset is smaller than the offset it received before. In this case, it MUST also terminate the connection with a QUIC_STREAM_DATA_AFTER_TERMINATION error. The second commit is concerned with what happens when a RST_STREAM is received. A common use case is the following: A client sends a POST request to a server and already begins sending data, but the Request URI doesn't accept data (e.g. there's an error 403 or 404). In those cases, the server will send a HTTP response (note that a 404 has a non-empty response body), and immediately after sending the last byte of the 404 response, it will send a RST_STREAM in order to stop the client from sending more data. In this case, QUIC needs to make sure the data sent by the server is delivered to the client (i.e. the server MUST retransmit any lost data, even after receiving the RST_STREAM response from the client), and the client MUST deliver the data received to the application, even if the packets containing the response body are delayed such that they arrive after the RST_STREAM sent by the server. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/145 -- Commit Summary -- * handle reordered RST_STREAM frames and FIN flags * allow reading from streams that a RST_STREAM has been received for -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (21) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/145.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/145.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/145 ----==_mimepart_58787c3858466_56df3fd58d84b1405218b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I added two commits regarding the closing of streams.

The current version of the draft already states that a peer that received stream data beyond the final offset (received either in STREAM frame with the FIN flag set or in a RST_STREAM frame) MUST close the connection with a QUIC_STREAM_DATA_AFTER_TERMINATION error.
However, due to packet reordering, the packet carrying the final offset might be delayed, such that the peer first receives STREAM frames up to a certain offset, and then receives the final offset, and notices that the final offset is smaller than the offset it received before. In this case, it MUST also terminate the connection with a QUIC_STREAM_DATA_AFTER_TERMINATION error.

The second commit is concerned with what happens when a RST_STREAM is received. A common use case is the following: A client sends a POST request to a server and already begins sending data, but the Request URI doesn't accept data (e.g. there's an error 403 or 404). In those cases, the server will send a HTTP response (note that a 404 has a non-empty response body), and immediately after sending the last byte of the 404 response, it will send a RST_STREAM in order to stop the client from sending more data. In this case, QUIC needs to make sure the data sent by the server is delivered to the client (i.e. the server MUST retransmit any lost data, even after receiving the RST_STREAM response from the client), and the client MUST deliver the data received to the application, even if the packets containing the response body are delayed such that they arrive after the RST_STREAM sent by the server.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/145

Commit Summary

  • handle reordered RST_STREAM frames and FIN flags
  • allow reading from streams that a RST_STREAM has been received for

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I realize there are cases where a retransmission of STREAM frames migh= t not be necessary. In my example above only the stream data sent by the = server needs to be reliably transmitted, but the stream data sent by the = client is not read anyway and doesn't need retransmissions.
Is this maybe what the TODO at the end of the section is referring to?

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= ----==_mimepart_58787d145b616_36443ff55faa113c4000c6-- From nobody Thu Jan 12 23:35:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43BD2129667 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 23:35:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.752 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.752 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b44vYavdZznc for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 23:35:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4B081294EC for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2017 23:35:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 23:35:54 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1484292954; bh=e8RNvl/itLwZYLSjCryJHS15++ZB7oyXU+9MjzWAvQI=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=vDaKfXJAkEmna0E02842RXgkvuOdRDfteOs4TgdSOUoc0zhQ27+tx0Y8Gy1C+MPcd y3w845Io1un7hk34Wt2zHoHK5pbG0Y+pdlwb/Q6WSK9byktXLLlIf55NpmTzTnT8ca rW8NcqnFrG9uHZjWVzlhxfQABfEIWUYPP3jj6wfg= From: Marten Seemann To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] STREAM frame boundaries (#146) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5878835a3d62_4c573f92692c31302118c7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 07:35:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5878835a3d62_4c573f92692c31302118c7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We had a [discussion](https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!topic/proto-quic/j747iwug-Hg) about this earlier on the proto-quic mailing list, but as far as I remember, we never reached a conclusion or discussed this on the IETF mailing list. There are two options: 1. STREAM frame boundaries MUST be preserved when retransmitting them, i.e. a STREAM frame that is being retransmitted MAY be split into further pieces, but MUST NOT be combined with other STREAM frames. 2. STREAM frames MAY be reassembled before retransmitting them, and STREAM frame boundaries need not be preserved. Option 1. is what Chrome and quic-go are currently implementing. 2. is what the draft is specifying in the current version ([here](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/blob/master/draft-ietf-quic-transport.md#sending-and-receiving-data)). If we decide for 1., this needs to be reflected in the draft. If we decide for 2., we need to remove the QUIC_OVERLAPPING_STREAM_DATA (0x8057) error. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/146 ----==_mimepart_5878835a3d62_4c573f92692c31302118c7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

We had a discussion about this earlier on the proto-quic mailing list, but as far as I remember, we never reached a conclusion or discussed this on the IETF mailing list.

There are two options:

  1. STREAM frame boundaries MUST be preserved when retransmitting them, i.e. a STREAM frame that is being retransmitted MAY be split into further pieces, but MUST NOT be combined with other STREAM frames.
  2. STREAM frames MAY be reassembled before retransmitting them, and STREAM frame boundaries need not be preserved.

Option 1. is what Chrome and quic-go are currently implementing. 2. is what the draft is specifying in the current version (here).

If we decide for 1., this needs to be reflected in the draft. If we decide for 2., we need to remove the QUIC_OVERLAPPING_STREAM_DATA (0x8057) error.

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re: reduction of amplification: okay, that's what I thought on the fir= st two readings. :)

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----==_mimepart_58789cd4a2b3b_36ac3fa16b05313c196736-- From nobody Fri Jan 13 01:29:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C68712896F for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 01:29:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.156 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.156 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sCVy-Rn5YApM for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 01:29:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E18A412951A for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 01:29:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 01:29:38 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1484299778; bh=xnr7gt4FWOqtNepq/E+NU7ccJpeFKh8Jv3Q2GaWklSE=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=eSfKvwN+rUjlJyCtQI6lcQyH7O0tC1huod3Zm0xeGmMnfnamedAeaH/jXPZZs0o7Z A9XpoqvbvS+QTQN6fYDJeQCBSJIQMt+o/+YdG2I2vaCrkV9OELJ7/GeSgzXCMBZqZH EA6TRM68CCfmi0JK46+bniz/gRMdX7VuPX1Qt98Q= From: Brian Trammell To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Reducing the complexity of the QUIC packet header (#148) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58789e0241e51_22503f9160fcd13c17736d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: britram X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 09:29:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58789e0241e51_22503f9160fcd13c17736d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The current design of the header with its multiple variable length and variable presence fields would seem to require inordinate sender and receiver code complexity. Complexity, especially in parsers (i.e., on the receiver side), is a source both of unclarity in specifications and errors in implementation. I note the following specific issues: (1) There are thirteen possible header lengths, and therefore data offsets : 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 13, 14, 15, 17, 21. Each of the header fields has a variety of possible offsets. This also increases the complexity of hardware offload implementations of QUIC, but is not complex enough to prevent their implementation and deployment. (2) There are combinations of flags that seem to be nonsensical and/or contradictory (e.g., the Packet Number Length codepoint adds 1, 2, 4, or 8 to the length if the Public Reset flag is clear, but 0 to the length if the Public Reset flag is set, see ; Public Reset and Version are mutually exclusive.) (3) There appears to be no consideration given to reducing confusability with other deployed UDP protocols in the first N bytes of the header -- see #147 I would suggest reducing the number of possible header layouts to reduce complexity, based on the following assumptions: (1) The set of variable header lengths will, at most, save a number of bytes per packet that will often be lost in the underflow of suboptimal path MTU discovery. (2) Varlen packet numbering makes sense if the packet number always starts from zero, but random initial packet numbers have other advantages; I presume we'll adopt them at some point. Packet numbers only need to be large enough to keep wrap-arounds to be induced by reordering, so 32 bits (as in the TCP sequence number space) is more than sufficient. (3) There is value in treating a version number as a magic number to help reduce the chance of misrecognition of non-QUIC packets as initial QUIC packets at an endpoint; for this 32 bits of version are more than enough, and 24 probably suffice. (This will require a redesign of the version number space, which we might want to do in light of #147 anyway). As an initial proposal, I would propose that either both Connection ID and Version be present, or neither, and that packet number be always present and constant length. This reduces the set of necessary flags to three, leaving us with five flags for reserved/future use (four, if we go ahead and allocate multipath) and the following two header layouts: Full Header: 16 octets ``` +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |1|R|K|M| zero | version/magic (24 bits) | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | | +- Connection ID -+ | | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Packet Number | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ``` Truncated Header: 5 octets ``` +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |0|R|K|M| zero | Packet Number . . . +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ . . . (cont'd) | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ``` The header invariant then becomes "If bit 0x80 in octet 0 is 1, then the seven remaining bits of that octet are reserved for use as flags, and octets 1-3 are a 24-bit version number. If bit 0x80 in octet 0 is 0, then no version number is present; use previous version information for this 5-tuple." This can be further simplified by dropping the truncated header entirely, though for very short packets the overhead might be worth saving. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/148 ----==_mimepart_58789e0241e51_22503f9160fcd13c17736d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The current design of the header with its multiple variable length and variable presence fields would seem to require inordinate sender and receiver code complexity. Complexity, especially in parsers (i.e., on the receiver side), is a source both of unclarity in specifications and errors in implementation. I note the following specific issues:

(1) There are thirteen possible header lengths, and therefore data offsets : 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 13, 14, 15, 17, 21. Each of the header fields has a variety of possible offsets. This also increases the complexity of hardware offload implementations of QUIC, but is not complex enough to prevent their implementation and deployment.

(2) There are combinations of flags that seem to be nonsensical and/or contradictory (e.g., the Packet Number Length codepoint adds 1, 2, 4, or 8 to the length if the Public Reset flag is clear, but 0 to the length if the Public Reset flag is set, see ; Public Reset and Version are mutually exclusive.)

(3) There appears to be no consideration given to reducing confusability with other deployed UDP protocols in the first N bytes of the header -- see #147

I would suggest reducing the number of possible header layouts to reduce complexity, based on the following assumptions:

(1) The set of variable header lengths will, at most, save a number of bytes per packet that will often be lost in the underflow of suboptimal path MTU discovery.

(2) Varlen packet numbering makes sense if the packet number always starts from zero, but random initial packet numbers have other advantages; I presume we'll adopt them at some point. Packet numbers only need to be large enough to keep wrap-arounds to be induced by reordering, so 32 bits (as in the TCP sequence number space) is more than sufficient.

(3) There is value in treating a version number as a magic number to help reduce the chance of misrecognition of non-QUIC packets as initial QUIC packets at an endpoint; for this 32 bits of version are more than enough, and 24 probably suffice. (This will require a redesign of the version number space, which we might want to do in light of #147 anyway).

As an initial proposal, I would propose that either both Connection ID and Version be present, or neither, and that packet number be always present and constant length. This reduces the set of necessary flags to three, leaving us with five flags for reserved/future use (four, if we go ahead and allocate multipath) and the following two header layouts:

Full Header: 16 octets

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|1|R|K|M| zero  |      version/magic (24 bits)                  |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                                                               |
+-                      Connection ID                          -+
|                                                               |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                       Packet Number                           |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

Truncated Header: 5 octets

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|0|R|K|M| zero  |                       Packet Number       . . .
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
. . . (cont'd)  |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

The header invariant then becomes "If bit 0x80 in octet 0 is 1, then the seven remaining bits of that octet are reserved for use as flags, and octets 1-3 are a 24-bit version number. If bit 0x80 in octet 0 is 0, then no version number is present; use previous version information for this 5-tuple." This can be further simplified by dropping the truncated header entirely, though for very short packets the overhead might be worth saving.

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See also #40

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----==_mimepart_58789e55c4f8b_4bb23fc7e7e77130675f3-- From nobody Fri Jan 13 08:30:43 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A2E129C50 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 08:30:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.037 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.037 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zsfzGoOkOoxV for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 08:30:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 715D0129855 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 08:30:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=QQb9p1Ew74AzhwLp9BsAf4rfhts=; b=HU29rMijjLIV9fh8 gtQwQcvals45xb77Zc4giVxH1KuImzYS8qV+A6Xyp9yzEpGZamTN/QOGsd9uhMUQ 8rY+Qd3sEI9LjFKaFWenon1KEFacSTNhqtLIADdaN33sSbJ63cMiiw5o8/KXa9vR 3t9fFhnseT+lyijZBxm76EnRQMY= Received: by filter1090p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1090p1mdw1-32606-587900A6-1C 2017-01-13 16:30:30.124675314 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id sOcRz45kSqCn1Y8aIDdAww for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:30:30.097 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 08:30:30 -0800 From: ianswett To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Why is packet_number an argument for OnPacketSent? (#107) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587900a62721_19b33fabc65a713c407e6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3439evmic2pCaJLNvj7UeoMdXe1DkmOIp8rz 2UOqX+hzM4M0gs9gdyE/U50q0HeP8CZKKxLkn2bQEI0VM1DNGpbuBF+B9cSkESNgM0wKmFh7edjBr5 pc4ZiBz5cAmQAFQ2lOKeLHpqrvwfEXA1WFIKfK0WY7I9t0EB5tdQVCfRgftrua7lbI0gxauJY0GzSN g= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:30:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587900a62721_19b33fabc65a713c407e6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's there so I can store the time when the packet was sent, and then use that later to calculate the RTT. I'll send out a PR that does that and clarifies some other details and you can see what you think. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/107#issuecomment-272482024 ----==_mimepart_587900a62721_19b33fabc65a713c407e6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It's there so I can store the time when the packet was sent, and then use that later to calculate the RTT. I'll send out a PR that does that and clarifies some other details and you can see what you think.

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Defines how variables such as smoothed_rtt and rttvar are calculated, as well as replacing many numbers with constants.

Intends to fix #107

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This seems like a good item to think about. I believe the 12 byte auth hash on 0RTT packets mitigates this in practice, but maybe there's a reason it's insufficient?

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This is also what the proto-quic/Chromium implementation does. I wouldn= 't spend a lot more text on it, because I don't think there's a reason to a= dd MUSTs for retransmissions prioritizaion.

One note you reminded me of Marten is that WINDOW_UPDATES are currently = retransmitted, but since they're cumulative, it's possible they should be t= reated more like ack frames.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1198,12 +1198,23 @@ The fields of a GOAWAY frame are as follows:
 
 # Packetization and Reliability {#packetization}
 
-The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the encrypted payload of
-the resulting UDP datagram.  All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the
-path's MTU to avoid IP fragmentation.  The recommended default maximum packet
-size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4.  To optimize better,
-endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting
-the maximum packet size appropriately.
+The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload,
+including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields.
+All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum
+packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms, the recommended default
+maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4.

I agree with this fix and will make the change.

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The recommended default maximum packet -size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. To optimize better, -endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting -the maximum packet size appropriately. +The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload, +including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields. +All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP +fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU +Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum +packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU +determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms, the recommended default +maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. + +All handshake packets MUST include a PADDING frame if necessary to bring the +packet to the maximum size the endpoint is enforcing. Furthermore, all IPv4 The PMTU RFCs explictly discussing storing PMTU results from previous connections. I don't think it's "smuggling" to not enumerate the components of those RFCs, nor do I think the language above implies a choice of either active PMTUD or just using the defaults. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/106 ----==_mimepart_58791949d4634_26e03fa1b05151301733f2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -path's MTU to avoid IP fragmentation.  The recommended default maximum packet
-size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4.  To optimize better,
-endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting
-the maximum packet size appropriately.
+The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload,
+including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields.
+All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum
+packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms, the recommended default
+maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. 
+
+All handshake packets MUST include a PADDING frame if necessary to bring the
+packet to the maximum size the endpoint is enforcing. Furthermore, all IPv4

The PMTU RFCs explictly discussing storing PMTU results from previous connections. I don't think it's "smuggling" to not enumerate the components of those RFCs, nor do I think the language above implies a choice of either active PMTUD or just using the defaults.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1257,6 +1268,27 @@ frames), the receiving peer MAY send an ACK frame after a reasonable number
 Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are
 discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
 
+## Special Considerations for Path MTU Discovery 
+
+Traditional ICMP-based path MTU discovery in IPv4 ({{!RFC1191}} is potentially
+vulnerable to off-path attacks that succesfully guess the IP/port 4-tuple and
+reduce the MTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value. TCP connections mitigate this
+risk by using the (at minimum) 8 bytes of transport header echoed in the ICMP
+message to validate the TCP sequence number as valid for the current
+connection. However, as QUIC operates over UDP, in IPv4 the echoed information
+may consist only of the IP and UDP headers, which usually has insufficient

Routers have the option of echoing more than 28 bytes of IP packet, and I've seen pcaps where this is the case.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -the resulting UDP datagram.  All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the
-path's MTU to avoid IP fragmentation.  The recommended default maximum packet
-size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4.  To optimize better,
-endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting
-the maximum packet size appropriately.
+The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload,
+including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields.
+All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum
+packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms, the recommended default
+maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. 
+
+All handshake packets MUST include a PADDING frame if necessary to bring the

I followed a suggestion in this thread to make it all packets. It's also hard to specify individual packets in the handshake because that's not part of this document. But I'll make it "at least" one packet in the handshake.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -the resulting UDP datagram.  All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the
-path's MTU to avoid IP fragmentation.  The recommended default maximum packet
-size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4.  To optimize better,
-endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting
-the maximum packet size appropriately.
+The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload,
+including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields.
+All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum
+packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms, the recommended default
+maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. 
+
+All handshake packets MUST include a PADDING frame if necessary to bring the

One word of warning. If you pad the first CHLO, but not the retransmission of that, bad things happen. So I'd rather be safe and say all packets because it's simple and hard to get wrong.

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I made a couple of changes regarding flow control. The most important change is 4.

  1. WINDOW_UPDATEs should be sent when the application consumed data sent by the peer, they should not be based on the highest received offset.
  2. I specified the error that should be sent if the peer violates the advertised flow control windows.
  3. I explicitly allow an optimization both Chrome and quic-go are already doing: WINDOW_UDPATEs are always sent twice. This increases the probability that the peer receives the frame and can continue sending data, even if one of the two packets is lost or delayed.
  4. The description of connection-level flow control was incomplete, since not all streams contribute to the connection-level flow control window. Furthermore, the receiver now has to check for connection-level flow control violations.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/150

Commit Summary

  • window updates should be based on data consumed, not data received
  • specify error code for flow control violations
  • allow sending a WINDOW_UPDATE frame multiple times
  • correctly describe connection-level flow control

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one nit, but LGTM

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -188,6 +188,32 @@ latency before a userspace QUIC receiver processes a received packet.
 We now describe QUIC's loss detection as functions that should be called on
 packet transmission, when a packet is acked, and timer expiration events.
 
+## Constants of interest
+
+Constants used in loss recovery and congestion control are based on a combination
+of RFCs, papers, and common practice.  Some may need to be changed or negotiated
+in order to better suit a variety of environments.  
+

We should also justify these constants. I'll create an issue to do this.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -287,8 +322,41 @@ Pseudocode for OnPacketSent follows:
 
 ~~~
  OnPacketSent(packet_number, is_retransmittable):
-     if is_retransmittable:
-       SetLossDetectionAlarm()
+   # TODO: Clarify the data in sent_packets.
+   sent_packets[packet_number] = {now}
+   if is_retransmittable:
+     SetLossDetectionAlarm()
+~~~
+
+## On Ack Receipt
+
+When an ack is received, it may acknowledge 0 or more packets.  
+
+Pseudocode for OnAckReceied and UpdateRtt follow:

nit: "received"

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -287,8 +322,41 @@ Pseudocode for OnPacketSent follows:
 
 ~~~
  OnPacketSent(packet_number, is_retransmittable):
-     if is_retransmittable:
-       SetLossDetectionAlarm()
+   # TODO: Clarify the data in sent_packets.
+   sent_packets[packet_number] = {now}
+   if is_retransmittable:
+     SetLossDetectionAlarm()
+~~~
+
+## On Ack Receipt
+
+When an ack is received, it may acknowledge 0 or more packets.  
+
+Pseudocode for OnAckReceied and UpdateRtt follow:

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Mostly references to drafts/rfcs/papers, but complete justifications are needed for this draft to be standalone.

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I appreciate the spirit of reducing the header's complexity, and so ha= ppy to see where we can do it. At the same time, It's not clear to me wh= at problem we're solving by reducing the number of header possibilities. = Of course, where it makes sense, I agree that reducing complexity helps, = but note that the packet format in the common case is quite fixed (no ver= sion negotiation, connection ID either present or absent, PR absent, etc.= ) Besides, flag bits always have nonsensical combinations which should ca= use the receiver to do something bad to the connection.

I'm not sure that fixing the connection ID and version to be present a= t all times makes sense. That's just throwing away bits. Sure, we lose so= me to PMTUD, but surely that's not an argument for losing more willy-nill= y.

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----==_mimepart_587931dbd6991_72783fba9595913022237-- From nobody Fri Jan 13 12:00:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D64129DE3 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 12:00:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=michbish=microsoft.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BYkioZh_pKXo for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 12:00:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from m69-170.mailgun.net (m69-170.mailgun.net [166.78.69.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA790129E3D for ; 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Fri, 13 Jan 2017 20:00:26 -0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 12:00:26 -0800 From: Mike Bishop To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <587931da4e283_35673ff3ca75f1403245d@hookshot-fe-6dbb0c4.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 67e4f7: Call out SETTINGS as nested-length Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_587931da4dcba_35673ff3ca75f1403235f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 20:00:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587931da4dcba_35673ff3ca75f1403235f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/alpn-alt-svc Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 67e4f75588aa0283be8a6081aa61c303ee73ccdd https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/67e4f75588aa0283be8a6081aa61c303ee73ccdd Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-22 (Thu, 22 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Call out SETTINGS as nested-length Commit: e395bb1ad3d3fb80675ea6c8236749a884259122 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e395bb1ad3d3fb80675ea6c8236749a884259122 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-22 (Thu, 22 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fixing what appear to be mangled error code descriptions Commit: 3b5ef8968dd0703350052899467c64803b215a99 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3b5ef8968dd0703350052899467c64803b215a99 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-23 (Fri, 23 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #94 from quicwg/mangled_errors Fixing what appear to be mangled error code descriptions Commit: fee870d5ff73e5c0eea6db1f26b750e744031bc7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fee870d5ff73e5c0eea6db1f26b750e744031bc7 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-23 (Fri, 23 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Remove lingering EXTENDED_SETTINGS reference Commit: 2529a252a86e762467cfe13d00c7906962a8b8b3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2529a252a86e762467cfe13d00c7906962a8b8b3 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-23 (Fri, 23 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add definition for ICSL Commit: 2b97e5ec6032b34fde154278bc26749097a4a2b7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2b97e5ec6032b34fde154278bc26749097a4a2b7 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-23 (Fri, 23 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Reflow 'Note to Readers' and a few other spots. Commit: 56e15c10d930b297c26dc706e39a8118ffc15160 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/56e15c10d930b297c26dc706e39a8118ffc15160 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-26 (Mon, 26 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reflow 'Note to Readers' in other docs Commit: 7d5b87d6c8f84f4786a006ecc3d6f74a9e2148f4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7d5b87d6c8f84f4786a006ecc3d6f74a9e2148f4 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-26 (Mon, 26 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- attacker != attacked Commit: 79a76ba20bcb0c21462cd1db81098765ebdd5d5a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/79a76ba20bcb0c21462cd1db81098765ebdd5d5a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-03 (Tue, 03 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #98 from quicwg/icsl Add definition for ICSL Commit: 9f7a92f0b6541df81ee5cd448cd6ee1afd2f9fef https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9f7a92f0b6541df81ee5cd448cd6ee1afd2f9fef Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-04 (Wed, 04 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Whitespace cleanup [ci skip] Commit: 44f1e1856f12a228d79aa8b874e87cb8134be58c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/44f1e1856f12a228d79aa8b874e87cb8134be58c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-04 (Wed, 04 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Big endian Closes #28 Commit: 70b559909ce7a4811567afe4f0b9c676b0d6ebc3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/70b559909ce7a4811567afe4f0b9c676b0d6ebc3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-04 (Wed, 04 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Let's use network byte order instead Commit: f1c42aff6d4107337a342486016ad6ace7822e15 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f1c42aff6d4107337a342486016ad6ace7822e15 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Use definition list format for error codes. Commit: 8162a8584539293f06a09dd4585c368dc22fb2ad https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8162a8584539293f06a09dd4585c368dc22fb2ad Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove non-wire-facing and migration-specific error codes Commit: 24d6d169b1c56f19da1764e2ea5b6939074e075e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/24d6d169b1c56f19da1764e2ea5b6939074e075e Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Moving crypto errors into TLS document Commit: 6254c74bac08d128d4d4bd4810b5c306ae334611 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6254c74bac08d128d4d4bd4810b5c306ae334611 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- QUIC is capitalized Commit: d25776be6f40ba7e9eb256660ce7f843b05ba1c7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d25776be6f40ba7e9eb256660ce7f843b05ba1c7 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Move HTTP error code to HTTP document Commit: c1f801b48d2aaff47159257bfd2eb2fa985f741f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c1f801b48d2aaff47159257bfd2eb2fa985f741f Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Added error code ranges Commit: ef385ee9f41518012b79737b30fdd50379117d80 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ef385ee9f41518012b79737b30fdd50379117d80 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- TLS errors in new range Commit: 13bdc70f3e5fb110d62dad52819f1bb9a28a2f3a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/13bdc70f3e5fb110d62dad52819f1bb9a28a2f3a Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Define HTTP-layer error codes in HTTP document Commit: 4d1b4f97e485c6c773d8c2b37959494af06ebcde https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4d1b4f97e485c6c773d8c2b37959494af06ebcde Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-08 (Sun, 08 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #130 from quicwg/errors_move Relocating error code definitions into each document. Commit: fc04af539b260475e0d8d73a636a98b3fac57ec1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fc04af539b260475e0d8d73a636a98b3fac57ec1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Define version negotiation more thoroughly Commit: f91dcb8e077abfa498899b1c8b59b0ba2f511c9b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f91dcb8e077abfa498899b1c8b59b0ba2f511c9b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reserve space Commit: 189aaa530c67851525b545c1ebd72445ea9fab4b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/189aaa530c67851525b545c1ebd72445ea9fab4b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- not off Commit: c014a0f30e501ed508039174715be7e9ada0a508 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c014a0f30e501ed508039174715be7e9ada0a508 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Move version section to the top level Commit: fe41fdb4f9244f596f9cd0e3342680e19f36f266 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fe41fdb4f9244f596f9cd0e3342680e19f36f266 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #113 from quicwg/version_numbers Version numbers Commit: 89b22b99125631dd4c99523baa6cdd88b33fa692 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/89b22b99125631dd4c99523baa6cdd88b33fa692 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Cleanup whitespace Commit: b7b97f982603418f4531c33a7ab6b420350d4529 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b7b97f982603418f4531c33a7ab6b420350d4529 Author: Marten Seemann Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- read the connection ID from a packet with an unsupported version Commit: 197e2ea681f5701c0d9f558330b27955361acb67 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/197e2ea681f5701c0d9f558330b27955361acb67 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #132 from marten-seemann/fix-version-negotiation-connid read the connection ID from a packet with an unsupported version Commit: 126b070a8499dca1826b1d7d622e52e3ea024b9b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/126b070a8499dca1826b1d7d622e52e3ea024b9b Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add a change log section to each document. TLS still needs details. Commit: 4000df997a94f2c516e949de118cae77d01997ea https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4000df997a94f2c516e949de118cae77d01997ea Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Include last pre-WG draft in change log Commit: f5b6e4b59dd55c44828b7f5ce66dc78db7946bab https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f5b6e4b59dd55c44828b7f5ce66dc78db7946bab Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Missed one doc's ancestor Commit: 18513d77823944bfdb8f164b36cdab9760534c16 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/18513d77823944bfdb8f164b36cdab9760534c16 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-10 (Tue, 10 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Adding TLS changelog details Commit: 4a60a1b9faf0776d52c988ec44648fd613b8834a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4a60a1b9faf0776d52c988ec44648fd613b8834a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-11 (Wed, 11 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove trailing whitespace Commit: 99946d15e0102c2c344e7d603fc4fa63122fae73 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/99946d15e0102c2c344e7d603fc4fa63122fae73 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-01-11 (Wed, 11 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Change text that describes version negotiation in terms of crypto keys. Commit: eecb8d907341a203030078436e4eaf5e3f954a92 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/eecb8d907341a203030078436e4eaf5e3f954a92 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Address Ian's comments Commit: 5a636ef3338e17a5cc94f3acdaefc893ecbaf2e1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5a636ef3338e17a5cc94f3acdaefc893ecbaf2e1 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- MUST -> SHOULD Commit: c989c6517887d00b7121babcf151e84132ce2372 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c989c6517887d00b7121babcf151e84132ce2372 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #141 from quicwg/undoversion Change text that describes version negotiation in terms of crypto keys. Commit: c1e73f2109bc64e938ba7ac1bc55a34a744d1c10 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c1e73f2109bc64e938ba7ac1bc55a34a744d1c10 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reordering error code ranges, per Martin Commit: dfaff7b5d7f7f0d04b268404aefb459165f9af44 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dfaff7b5d7f7f0d04b268404aefb459165f9af44 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into error_space2 Commit: 4c6d86dc35b753e8d512811c280d88a56b4ec680 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4c6d86dc35b753e8d512811c280d88a56b4ec680 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #131 from quicwg/error_space2 Marking #74 as 'confirm-consensus' and incorporating into draft. Commit: d6d08b89a035912048aa56d406431da02e575aed https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d6d08b89a035912048aa56d406431da02e575aed Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Describe CONNECT method (#100) Describes CONNECT method, using the error code defined in #131. Commit: 5b5e75d5e54ef2434ec0caa861c5650da6fc24ac https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5b5e75d5e54ef2434ec0caa861c5650da6fc24ac Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-13 (Fri, 13 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Version negotiation isn't the MOST important feature Let's try to keep the order of this section relevant. Version negotiation is novel in a transport protocol, but it's not the most important thing. Also, we don't need to include a lot of details here. Commit: 9ceea5809fae1981506789e14f802aaec2953dda https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9ceea5809fae1981506789e14f802aaec2953dda Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-13 (Fri, 13 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Duplicate header creates duplicate anchor Commit: da0bf63ac7f14a069496bac6d289483681bdb627 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/da0bf63ac7f14a069496bac6d289483681bdb627 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-13 (Fri, 13 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Whitespace cleanup Commit: 67f82996de9c7fdabcf2f2a675679bdbec374d0b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/67f82996de9c7fdabcf2f2a675679bdbec374d0b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-13 (Fri, 13 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'version_benefit' Commit: 3096ae64e07ed8622b7d704c43c889c2b999c629 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3096ae64e07ed8622b7d704c43c889c2b999c629 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-13 (Fri, 13 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M Makefile M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- This trailing whitespace has to end Commit: b81ca1659f77d3d8d3dca98fe60d03963b8e089f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b81ca1659f77d3d8d3dca98fe60d03963b8e089f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-13 (Fri, 13 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Remove the last ever bit of trailing whitespace Commit: 9859f04d34cbb4ef1a0d38add2859062267a5b26 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9859f04d34cbb4ef1a0d38add2859062267a5b26 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-13 (Fri, 13 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M Makefile M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into alpn-alt-svc Commit: 6e5abb7035fb9964ada7b7527cf30611d9e8527a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6e5abb7035fb9964ada7b7527cf30611d9e8527a Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-13 (Fri, 13 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Handle non-token version numbers better Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/77a028977ea6...6e5abb7035fb ----==_mimepart_587931da4dcba_35673ff3ca75f1403235f-- From nobody Fri Jan 13 12:39:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D86E129DFA for ; 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#122 covers this, but isn't yet merged. Is this part controversial?

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We currently do have SETTINGS, but max number of streams is a QUIC concept, and therefore doesn't currently support changes. Do we need to?

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#120 addresses this.

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This is mostly what is described from here and below, and I think that can be separated. > @@ -1106,31 +1168,35 @@ protection for the QUIC negotiation. This does not prevent version downgrade during the handshake, though it means that such a downgrade causes a handshake failure. -Protocols that use the QUIC transport MUST use Application Layer Protocol -Negotiation (ALPN) {{!RFC7301}}. The ALPN identifier for the protocol MUST be -specific to the QUIC version that it operates over. When constructing a -ClientHello, clients MUST include a list of all the ALPN identifiers that they -support, regardless of whether the QUIC version that they have currently -selected supports that protocol. +TLS uses Application Layer Protocol Negotiation (ALPN) {{!RFC7301}} to select an +application protocol. The application-layer protocol MAY restrict the QUIC +versions that it can operate over. Servers MUST select an application protocol Having considered this, I think you're right. This makes sense in the context of describing how ALPN ought to work for QUIC. SGTM. > -Servers SHOULD select an application protocol based solely on the information in -the ClientHello, not using the QUIC version that the client has selected. If -the protocol that is selected is not supported with the QUIC version that is in -use, the server MAY send a QUIC version negotiation packet to select a -compatible version. +If the server cannot select a compatible combination of application protocol and +QUIC version, it MUST abort the connection. A client MUST abort a connection if +the server picks an incompatible combination of QUIC version and ALPN +identifier. Yes, you're right. I hadn't fully processed ALPN and the new world order, but I think it makes sense when considering how TLS would use ALPN with QUIC. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +      opaque value<0..2^16-1>;
+   } TransportParameter;
+
+   struct {
+      select (Handshake.msg_type) {
+         case client_hello:
+            QuicVersion negotiated_version;
+            QuicVersion initial_version;
+
+         case encrypted_extensions:
+            QuicVersion supported_versions<2..2^8-4>;
+      };
+      TransportParameter parameters<30..2^16-1>;
+   } TransportParameters;
+~~~
+{: #figure-transport-parameters title="Definition of TransportParameters"}

Defining a structure to hold transport params, describing the various params, what to do at 0-RTT, are all basically non-controversial. This is mostly what is described from here and below, and I think that can be separated.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1106,31 +1168,35 @@ protection for the QUIC negotiation.  This does not prevent version downgrade
 during the handshake, though it means that such a downgrade causes a handshake
 failure.
 
-Protocols that use the QUIC transport MUST use Application Layer Protocol
-Negotiation (ALPN) {{!RFC7301}}.  The ALPN identifier for the protocol MUST be
-specific to the QUIC version that it operates over.  When constructing a
-ClientHello, clients MUST include a list of all the ALPN identifiers that they
-support, regardless of whether the QUIC version that they have currently
-selected supports that protocol.
+TLS uses Application Layer Protocol Negotiation (ALPN) {{!RFC7301}} to select an
+application protocol.  The application-layer protocol MAY restrict the QUIC
+versions that it can operate over.  Servers MUST select an application protocol

Having considered this, I think you're right. This makes sense in the context of describing how ALPN ought to work for QUIC. SGTM.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
-Servers SHOULD select an application protocol based solely on the information in
-the ClientHello, not using the QUIC version that the client has selected.  If
-the protocol that is selected is not supported with the QUIC version that is in
-use, the server MAY send a QUIC version negotiation packet to select a
-compatible version.
+If the server cannot select a compatible combination of application protocol and
+QUIC version, it MUST abort the connection. A client MUST abort a connection if
+the server picks an incompatible combination of QUIC version and ALPN
+identifier.

Yes, you're right. I hadn't fully processed ALPN and the new world order, but I think it makes sense when considering how TLS would use ALPN with QUIC.

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Thanks for the changes! Just one question though: WINDOW_UPDATE frames are currently retransmitted when detected as lost (this is noted in the reliability section), which ensures that the sender receives it. Why multiple copies then? > A sender MUST send BLOCKED frames to indicate it has data to write but is blocked by lack of connection or stream flow control credit. BLOCKED frames are expected to be sent infrequently in common cases, but they are considered useful for debugging and monitoring purposes. A receiver advertises credit for a stream by sending a WINDOW_UPDATE frame with -the StreamID set appropriately. A receiver may simply use the current received -offset to determine the flow control offset to be advertised. +the StreamID set appropriately. A receiver may use the current offset of data +consumed to determine the flow control offset to be advertised. +A receiver MAY send copies of a WINDOW_UPDATE frame in multiple packets in order +to make sure that the sender receives it even if one of the packets is lost. A +sender MUST ignore duplicate WINDOW_UPDATE frames. WINDOW_UPDATE frames are considered "retransmittable", meaning that they need to be reliably delivered, and the sender will retransmit as necessary. Why isn't that enough? > Connection flow control is a limit to the total bytes of stream data sent in -STREAM frames. A receiver advertises credit for a connection by sending a -WINDOW_UPDATE frame with the StreamID set to zero (0x00). A receiver may -maintain a cumulative sum of bytes received cumulatively on all streams to -determine the value of the connection flow control offset to be advertised in -WINDOW_UPDATE frames. A sender may maintain a cumulative sum of stream data -bytes sent to impose the connection flow control limit. +STREAM frames on all streams contributing to connection flow control. A +receiver advertises credit for a connection by sending a WINDOW_UPDATE frame +with the StreamID set to zero (0x00). A receiver maintains a cumulative sum of +bytes received on all streams contributing to connection-level flow control to +check for flow control violations. A receiver may maintain a cumulative sum of add comma: "contributing to connection-level flow control, to check for flow control violations." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/150#pullrequestreview-16678989 ----==_mimepart_5879728f1dfe2_3aac3fe5db25f1381292fa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar requested changes on this pull request.

Thanks for the changes! Just one question though: WINDOW_UPDATE frames are currently retransmitted when detected as lost (this is noted in the reliability section), which ensures that the sender receives it. Why multiple copies then?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  A sender MUST send BLOCKED frames to indicate it has data to write but is
 blocked by lack of connection or stream flow control credit.  BLOCKED frames are
 expected to be sent infrequently in common cases, but they are considered useful
 for debugging and monitoring purposes.
 
 A receiver advertises credit for a stream by sending a WINDOW_UPDATE frame with
-the StreamID set appropriately.  A receiver may simply use the current received
-offset to determine the flow control offset to be advertised.
+the StreamID set appropriately. A receiver may use the current offset of data
+consumed to determine the flow control offset to be advertised.
+A receiver MAY send copies of a WINDOW_UPDATE frame in multiple packets in order
+to make sure that the sender receives it even if one of the packets is lost. A
+sender MUST ignore duplicate WINDOW_UPDATE frames.

WINDOW_UPDATE frames are considered "retransmittable", meaning that they need to be reliably delivered, and the sender will retransmit as necessary. Why isn't that enough?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 Connection flow control is a limit to the total bytes of stream data sent in
-STREAM frames.  A receiver advertises credit for a connection by sending a
-WINDOW_UPDATE frame with the StreamID set to zero (0x00).  A receiver may
-maintain a cumulative sum of bytes received cumulatively on all streams to
-determine the value of the connection flow control offset to be advertised in
-WINDOW_UPDATE frames.  A sender may maintain a cumulative sum of stream data
-bytes sent to impose the connection flow control limit.
+STREAM frames on all streams contributing to connection flow control.  A
+receiver advertises credit for a connection by sending a WINDOW_UPDATE frame
+with the StreamID set to zero (0x00).  A receiver maintains a cumulative sum of
+bytes received on all streams contributing to connection-level flow control to
+check for flow control violations. A receiver may maintain a cumulative sum of

add comma: "contributing to connection-level flow control, to check for flow control violations."

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----==_mimepart_5879728f1dfe2_3aac3fe5db25f1381292fa-- From nobody Fri Jan 13 16:50:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8BCB12953C for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:50:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SX7O0hHvJEBa for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:50:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CAF8A1294EA for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:50:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=m5m1FiA4xvBUlQgT54JemPTVLOU=; b=w/rj5U+98s5riKyh ggKAawJHtLqvC28ApIE/GGsoWZQdiQVuTQafKR2w+vWBbmnF9ol/FZXDPnwk7tY5 0ng/4DQBtdDKz7skBIftcv5JLxGWL17MoNVXZPMDztlKKgiEQuXVuMxBN7N1Mg5/ FHn0utn3OU5dr97O3xrizi9OADQ= Received: by filter0490p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0490p1mdw1-29009-587975C0-13 2017-01-14 00:50:08.198606828 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id UwjQFzmMQEGFOVmXBjcNuA for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2017 00:50:08.173 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 16:50:08 -0800 From: Ryan Hamilton To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] DoS using Version Negotiation Packets (#135) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587975c0f132_6eb3f86e2451138941b0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0orhAaR+6L0WATC0+e7wVgQc13SxG4Q9d6dS L1IYs40Iq0jY03rNAUdeRpOFzlbxqyDwnK9+N+Eg1+cYuC+RMiO8LhAGmA1CCxpIFEfS86KFLEdgIB B+iyexAoAua8ZWpiBQmVRv1gN7xGrl+xQjT4+eqBujRtrd+ibaJFCygP9q6hBVCAASiWvbNvlIPpJM Q= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 00:50:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587975c0f132_6eb3f86e2451138941b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Instead of removing connection ID from the version negotiation packet (which would be problematic for clients which might run multiple connections from the same ip:port) let's add an explicit "client vs sever" value just after the public flags byte for all packets with the version bit set. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/135#issuecomment-272586511 ----==_mimepart_587975c0f132_6eb3f86e2451138941b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Instead of removing connection ID from the version negotiation packet (w= hich would be problematic for clients which might run multiple connections = from the same ip:port) let's add an explicit "client vs sever" value just a= fter the public flags byte for all packets with the version bit set.

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Interesting point. I agree that the two are in opposition to each other. How about option (2), but change the OVERLAPPING_STREAM_DATA error to mean that the data in the overlapping region is different?

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Is this amplification any worse than TFO + TLS1.3?

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I agree. We could suggest what might go into one, but it's out of scope.

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That would require the=C2=A0implementation to retain the data after it= 's delivered to the application, in order to check against incoming data,= wouldn't it?=C2=A0 Seems implausible.

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I'm not convinced there's a reason to use unauthenticated hints -- what = is the argument for allowing them? If we do hints with Alt-Svc, that'll mea= n that we require the negotiation to have happened over HTTPS, which is wha= t I'd want.

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I'm not certain I did, though.

If the server declines to speak N, it won't look at the handshake, and t= herefore won't ever attempt to interpret the transport parameters. If they= do a negotiation round-trip and wind up on N+1, the=C2=A0client would=C2= =A0send fresh parameters in format N+1.

Are we guarding against a client bug where they accidentally reuse their= original transport parameters in the new version, or where semantics "leak= " between versions in a client that supports several?

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+1. Stream ID length is currently represented by 2 bits that encode 8, 16, 24, or 32. We could make this 8, 16, 32, 64.

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----==_mimepart_5879866ef0190_7cd33fa538e391401037b9-- From nobody Fri Jan 13 18:08:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52844129629 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:08:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.538 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.538 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y81-yhYabmoe for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:08:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext8.iad.github.net [192.30.252.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 500A7129597 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:08:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:08:10 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1484359690; bh=CGK6r636aVsmZx5iE2RIGxG5cD77Zf1kIgdnWo9SQzc=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=vYhpoNc47BcQXHo9g/izmc8u7z7MLgaErCBo5oOf7nSCbUqCunCAty2zR39bn8BuB HmtfyNlDwgL5EF8dsNYVxILn+C0Twrer2YdO2MXlUL6wyarsihuDtgV/VSMqJOi53x mAnPNrW6EPmwrv9O+xhSuJYM1LTYeiO5xbZb2S/8= From: Mike Bishop To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Hinting at quic version in Alt-Svc (#124) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5879880aa71af_73813f7fd4ef313c98612"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 02:08:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5879880aa71af_73813f7fd4ef313c98612 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alt-Svc requires that the target be secure, not the origin. So an Alt-Sv= c header containing hints can come over plaintext, and the question is wh= ether we ignore them. My inclination is that=C2=A0(in the absence of anything better) an unauth= enticated hint is better than a blind guess. -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/124#issuecomment-272593507= ----==_mimepart_5879880aa71af_73813f7fd4ef313c98612 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Alt-Svc requires that the target be secure, not the origin. So an Alt= -Svc header containing hints can come over plaintext, and the question is= whether we ignore them.

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Yeah, I agree and I think your suggestion of always sending a version list along with the Server Params is a good idea.

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----==_mimepart_587989586121e_193773fa313d0d130894b6-- From nobody Fri Jan 13 18:19:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E52129641 for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:19:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.951 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.951 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yzv2kBPCkBrn for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:19:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE54B12962C for ; Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:19:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=HcgNzEUj5B10If8ZJuOookewVZA=; b=f0Hf9FxTH5+3/Yb1 r4T6inbRhLSwyqX9hm5RcA9/Ut7Ks0TncH/TafYcj74ZBRl1O7JHMmygXrAJt/mX aPmOTqAmqe/+EOA+UVFxnlYCji7TfuPku8vFa/U/jE5u6sTWGpBVOXoVHcP3jemy X3Q5c8XpOg6ihFzDzxaEr5DkPnY= Received: by filter0483p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0483p1mdw1-1825-58798AB4-1A 2017-01-14 02:19:32.400146191 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id ikcbhrqnTrS0GI6vrIB-VA for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2017 02:19:32.336 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:19:32 -0800 From: Mike Bishop To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Each COPT might be better as empty transport parameters (#116) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58798ab43b847_39303f9b84767140158779"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak10UfSX4ZkWQ55RX39RLvStT/RyM5cJu09Uw0 S3iJE8xpr9xLfimYVazWcNGvcEuZqcD9ZFxz2syIPQXPrZiF1XClvPpiYUK+oip912hc/cxpJIMwd0 qt0V78VdY78Rj/dRrA5fxJuWGiuoZmdIgfROSS6FK+SDyIckANhbQynQjKwKq3fq12zzUywoN3FxVj Y= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 02:19:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58798ab43b847_39303f9b84767140158779 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per discussion with=C2=A0Jana, this isn't what it looks like. It's basical= ly a tunnel for the client to relay opaque data from Chrome experiment conf= igurations to the server, so the server can=C2=A0behave appropriate to the = experiment on the given connection. I'm not sure opaque data relay is needed in the RFC in the first place. --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/116#issuecomment-272594335= ----==_mimepart_58798ab43b847_39303f9b84767140158779 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Per discussion with=C2=A0Jana, this isn't what it looks like. It's basi= cally a tunnel for the client to relay opaque data from Chrome experiment c= onfigurations to the server, so the server can=C2=A0behave appropriate to t= he experiment on the given connection.

I'm not sure opaque data relay is needed in the RFC in the first place.<= /p>

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BLOCKED frames are expected to be sent infrequently in common cases, but they are considered useful for debugging and monitoring purposes. A receiver advertises credit for a stream by sending a WINDOW_UPDATE frame with -the StreamID set appropriately. A receiver may simply use the current received -offset to determine the flow control offset to be advertised. +the StreamID set appropriately. A receiver may use the current offset of data +consumed to determine the flow control offset to be advertised. +A receiver MAY send copies of a WINDOW_UPDATE frame in multiple packets in order +to make sure that the sender receives it even if one of the packets is lost. A +sender MUST ignore duplicate WINDOW_UPDATE frames. It's an optimization. The WINDOW_UPDATE will get retransmitted and delivered **eventually** (depending on the details of the loss detection). A lost WINDOW_UPDATE means that the sender might get flow-control limited, either for one stream or even for the whole connection (if it was a connection-level WINDOW_UPDATE). Clearly, this is an optimization, so I wrote that a sender MAY find a suitable algorithm. I just wanted to make sure that a client is required to ignore duplicate WINDOW_UPDATEs, since the only other statement about multiple WINDOW_UPDATEs is the following > A sender may receive WINDOW_UPDATE frames out of order; a sender MUST therefore ignore any reductions in flow control credit. which is not explicit about duplicates. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/150 ----==_mimepart_58799b07176a0_19393fed7b26d13c82038 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  A sender MUST send BLOCKED frames to indicate it has data to write but is
 blocked by lack of connection or stream flow control credit.  BLOCKED frames are
 expected to be sent infrequently in common cases, but they are considered useful
 for debugging and monitoring purposes.
 
 A receiver advertises credit for a stream by sending a WINDOW_UPDATE frame with
-the StreamID set appropriately.  A receiver may simply use the current received
-offset to determine the flow control offset to be advertised.
+the StreamID set appropriately. A receiver may use the current offset of data
+consumed to determine the flow control offset to be advertised.
+A receiver MAY send copies of a WINDOW_UPDATE frame in multiple packets in order
+to make sure that the sender receives it even if one of the packets is lost. A
+sender MUST ignore duplicate WINDOW_UPDATE frames.

It's an optimization. The WINDOW_UPDATE will get retransmitted and delivered eventually (depending on the details of the loss detection). A lost WINDOW_UPDATE means that the sender might get flow-control limited, either for one stream or even for the whole connection (if it was a connection-level WINDOW_UPDATE).

Clearly, this is an optimization, so I wrote that a sender MAY find a suitable algorithm. I just wanted to make sure that a client is required to ignore duplicate WINDOW_UPDATEs, since the only other statement about multiple WINDOW_UPDATEs is the following

A sender may receive WINDOW_UPDATE frames out of order; a sender MUST therefore ignore any reductions in flow control credit.

which is not explicit about duplicates.

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Some more thoughts on the two options:

If we decide for option (1), we must require each retra= nsmission to contain a STOP_WAITING frame (or, as soon as we remove them fr= om the protocol (#66), = an ACK frame). Otherwise the receipt of a delayed packet for which a retran= smission of a split STREAM_FRAME was already received would cause an overla= pping stream data error.

For option (2), implementations have to be careful about a DoS where the= attacker sends overlapping stream data, in an attempt to consume O(N^2) me= mory (N: number of bytes of the receive window). This attack doesn't exist = for option (1), since overlapping stream data results in an error (and unne= cessary retransmitted STREAM frames can be discarded right away).

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a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1484421273; bh=RTQ0+kUWnuc21+SoFWgqJ/es+oEVtu3cLk/FOKBFcn0=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Kh3BYk8JapRN16Hv/cL19lBlx4ortX1UgheuuHXCmTqv8AL+QfavuNZHE+V/J8MY7 VgcGz8zZit/PPMJdVsdr3xB60cfvGp/RaFWXbG4D1OkDLZyoh9+yVS8yFlNErdI0qA 2hIC36t1SdPHXYQdO/j3Q7bnMMGERI+ip8KzKY4M= From: ianswett To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] STREAM frame boundaries (#146) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587a789996c5f_6a373fee531ab13026663"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 19:14:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587a789996c5f_6a373fee531ab13026663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think #2 is the right option, even though both implementations do #1 at the moment because it's easier. Your point about splitting STREAM_FRAMEs makes this even more clear. I'm ok with changing OVERLAPPING_STREAM_DATA to DIFFERENT_OVERLAPPING_STREAM_DATA or something similar, with the understanding that a receiver SHOULD(or MAY?) verify that the data is identical, but we can't use MUST there. Mike, in regards to memory usage, streams don't delivery data out of order, so the data delivered to the app would not be verified as you mentioned, but it'd be easy to verify any buffered overlaps. For option (2), it's certainly possible to have a receive buffer approach where N^2 memory is not consumed by copying the non-overlapping data and discarding the stream frame. TCP manages to implement a receive buffer without N^2 issues, so I think it's not a concern for QUIC with option 2, but I could be missing something? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I think #2 is = the right option, even though both implementations do #1 at the moment because it's easier. = Your point about splitting STREAM_FRAMEs makes this even more clear.

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I'm ok with changing OVERLAPPING_STREAM_DATA to DIFFERENT_OVERLAPPING_= STREAM_DATA or something similar, with the understanding that a receiver = SHOULD(or MAY?) verify that the data is identical, but we can't use MUST = there.

Mike, in regards to memory usage, streams don't delivery data out of o= rder, so the data delivered to the app would not be verified as you menti= oned, but it'd be easy to verify any buffered overlaps.

For option (2), it's certainly possible to have a receive buffer appro= ach where N^2 memory is not consumed by copying the non-overlapping data = and discarding the stream frame. TCP manages to implement a receive buff= er without N^2 issues, so I think it's not a concern for QUIC with option= 2, but I could be missing something?

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Agreed, we've already come up with a use case for 64 bits of stream ID.

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----==_mimepart_587a796c172e3_21903fee531ab1303449ea-- From nobody Sat Jan 14 11:19:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E79129D0E for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2017 11:19:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.474 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.474 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VwhlBpl6_OfK for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2017 11:19:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2EF87129D01 for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2017 11:19:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 11:19:25 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1484421565; bh=KQ4W1WYiDkZSnjuCXp373CQnBp7mL93Om5MN33OA9gA=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=YuzyyDup9ElO1hOiy80uHQt9x5e3GZLY3nGYf43ib3nSfnmqeCV90fqlE1llzwiQQ SEqNlkwF3sFl8KD84IEUNlsBzl7naXX30G5c6HsonecJKP8FNAMbcjoIjMNFagbCb3 BvgxnzVeMc5JbL7jR7oYocmRTI6Y6xqPlY364eeE= From: ianswett To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Should we grease version negotiation? (#112) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587a79bd81140_37f13fee531ab13091490"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 19:19:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587a79bd81140_37f13fee531ab13091490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We should grease all the public flag bits to ensure they're all usable in the future. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/112#issuecomment-272646427 ----==_mimepart_587a79bd81140_37f13fee531ab13091490 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

We should grease all the public flag bits to ensure they're all usable in the future.

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So the text would be something like "In version N, the following bits ar= e unused and MAY be set randomly by clients and servers." In version N+1, = where a bit acquires a meaning, we can stop using it for GREASE? Scoping i= t to versions seems to neatly sidestep the problem of making things unusabl= e in the future because they've been used as grease.

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Maybe CONFLICTING_STREAM_DATA? So the logic would be that data which = has already been delivered to the app gets silently discarded, new data g= ets added to the buffer, and existing data gets checked. If the check re= veals a conflict do we reset the stream, or the connection?

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HTTP frames will need to update accordingly.

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QUIC uses a 32-bit (soon to be 64-bit) stream space. However, we know that HTTP sessions typically don't use nearly the 31 bits of stream space we have in HTTP/2. As QUIC continues to expand the number of streams it supports, HTTP/QUIC ends up spending more bits on stream ID overhead (PRIORITY, PUSH_PROMISE, etc.).

Should we consider having variable-length stream ID fields in these frames? Or is the complexity reduction worth stating the full stream ID, especially since we no longer have an HTTP-level stream ID on every frame?

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----==_mimepart_587ab0d5672da_568c3fcc4e73913c137679-- From nobody Sat Jan 14 15:15:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5050812949A for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2017 15:15:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.538 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.538 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a8XVLzwUTP0I for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2017 15:15:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7DD2312944B for ; Sat, 14 Jan 2017 15:15:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 15:15:15 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1484435715; bh=ANvYeScwIaG5SCuxUVDVQ/VqEohzPCa1cNsJIAioDyA=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=j2Z4NLRFPkwI6lX4rNrWHeb8jBEPZyID6apgMYcOSVEFWSYoOpnd/7h/7OUE33ciE 6qcLMZv+c6Bdg885IyHCeyknx3EIABeo08s1a3yZpC7ivfuC9oMHwbaON+ml+ET/WS hgvtyUpC1tzR6yOyVO0zyOqsberCk1q76gflPK2I= From: Mike Bishop To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Should HTTP use compressed stream IDs? (#154) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587ab103d318f_41b43fcc4e73913c57a4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 23:15:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587ab103d318f_41b43fcc4e73913c57a4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Related to #148, which is trying to take QUIC the other direction. Is one right, or should we meet in the middle? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/154#issuecomment-272660549 ----==_mimepart_587ab103d318f_41b43fcc4e73913c57a4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Related to #148, which is trying to take QUIC the other direction. Is one right, or should we meet in the middle?

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It seems like my last point has already been resolved by the recent chan= ges to the draft (DetectLostPackets is now called with a= ck.largest_acked_packet).

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2001,6 +2001,8 @@ thanks to all.
 
 - Error code space is divided into regions for each component
 
+- Use big endian for all field

"all numeric values" maybe?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1477,16 +1474,20 @@ A final offset is present in both a frame bearing a FIN flag and in a RST_STREAM
 frame.  Upon sending either of these frames for a stream, the endpoint MUST NOT
 send a STREAM frame carrying data beyond the final offset.
 
-An endpoint that receives any frame for this stream after receiving either a FIN
-flag and all stream data preceding it, or a RST_STREAM frame, MUST quietly
-discard the frame, with one exception.  If a STREAM frame carrying data beyond
-the received final offset is received, the endpoint MUST close the connection
-with a QUIC_STREAM_DATA_AFTER_TERMINATION error ({{error-handling}}).
+An endpoint that receives a FIN flag or a RST_STREAM frames knows the final

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1477,16 +1474,20 @@ A final offset is present in both a frame bearing a FIN flag and in a RST_STREAM
 frame.  Upon sending either of these frames for a stream, the endpoint MUST NOT
 send a STREAM frame carrying data beyond the final offset.
 
-An endpoint that receives any frame for this stream after receiving either a FIN
-flag and all stream data preceding it, or a RST_STREAM frame, MUST quietly
-discard the frame, with one exception.  If a STREAM frame carrying data beyond
-the received final offset is received, the endpoint MUST close the connection
-with a QUIC_STREAM_DATA_AFTER_TERMINATION error ({{error-handling}}).
+An endpoint that receives a FIN flag or a RST_STREAM frames knows the final
+offset for this stream. If a STREAM frame carrying data beyond the received
+final offset is received, the endpoint MUST close the connection with a
+QUIC_STREAM_DATA_AFTER_TERMINATION error ({{error-handling}}).
+
+An endpoint MUST close the connection with a QUIC_STREAM_DATA_AFTER_TERMINATION
+error if it receives a RST_STREAM or a FIN flag with a lower final offset than

Maybe use "RST_STREAM frame" like above?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1477,11 +1477,14 @@ A final offset is present in both a frame bearing a FIN flag and in a RST_STREAM
 frame.  Upon sending either of these frames for a stream, the endpoint MUST NOT
 send a STREAM frame carrying data beyond the final offset.
 
-An endpoint that receives any frame for this stream after receiving either a FIN
-flag and all stream data preceding it, or a RST_STREAM frame, MUST quietly
-discard the frame, with one exception.  If a STREAM frame carrying data beyond
-the received final offset is received, the endpoint MUST close the connection
-with a QUIC_STREAM_DATA_AFTER_TERMINATION error ({{error-handling}}).
+An endpoint that receives a FIN flag or a RST_STREAM frames knows the final
+offset for this stream. If a STREAM frame carrying data beyond the received

Personally (and YMMV) I find the new wording here a bit confusing, and I'd keep the previous one for this case (with your addition in the next paragraph).

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----==_mimepart_587be3869bebc_4d7f3fdcbbdb513c4121a2-- From nobody Sun Jan 15 13:12:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D751296F9 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2017 13:12:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.037 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.037 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.282, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vG6xkQy4e5Z0 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2017 13:12:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 423891296F8 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2017 13:12:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=HhTNUWlESeV6LsbBQbNM8GO8l2U=; b=h8sFTQC/xw7dwGbY 61IijiPiZX67r+Hk6sXTgzHMFrZ7GmbPeks62Yu5qQHXJBfMZUmyasus/i+i/aR6 8so8BbMAWkUk3H22Ypa8hO4NuRR9PzXO0o2j2MqJgl6UaYRD8++OtRKJ7TMjauLE ZMBO2oDCappQQo3Xr+9Dejz1jpU= Received: by filter0817p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0817p1mdw1-18051-587BE5A7-47 2017-01-15 21:12:07.94365954 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id qmqQoZ2bTtCIOklPFwQ2JA for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2017 21:12:07.865 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 13:12:07 -0800 From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Do retransmissions of STREAM frames need special prioritization rules (#114) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587be5a7bd3a0_d403fb90e33f138174361"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2YbdV34Lrf11dFry60hbX99sm3j+bel3q5ms dQIDPvLcsbMr9F69pUa+B38LULJIGF0iaRciWWifbkv5E2c+po2bFQhwy6/tpd4nMl/h22jfCLzNJY nPYHrjtcGxCzR/SZYxyrplWCTXHYinbUorrFDe2KPr5SVxizjim6zoNIork9AdBWSsq4Y+kSuntcqG U= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 21:12:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587be5a7bd3a0_d403fb90e33f138174361 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that @marten-seemann gave good reasons to increase priority of WINDOW_UPDATE and RST_STREAM, not arguments for increasing priority of retransmissions. Retransmission of STREAM frames for low priority streams doesn't make as much sense in my view. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/114#issuecomment-272724093 ----==_mimepart_587be5a7bd3a0_d403fb90e33f138174361 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -287,8 +322,41 @@ Pseudocode for OnPacketSent follows:
 
 ~~~
  OnPacketSent(packet_number, is_retransmittable):
-     if is_retransmittable:
-       SetLossDetectionAlarm()
+   # TODO: Clarify the data in sent_packets.
+   sent_packets[packet_number] = {now}

why braces here, but not below (Line 341)?

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It's only problematic if the servers need to run multiple different version on the N-tuple. Otherwise it's very simple: send the version negotiation packet to every connection and some will ignore it.

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----==_mimepart_587be7b55b995_43463fecfd94f1403016d0-- From nobody Sun Jan 15 13:25:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C28D12971E for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2017 13:25:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.53 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.53 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=0.726, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GapCa1Svf4eY for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2017 13:25:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext8.iad.github.net [192.30.252.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FDE1129717 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2017 13:25:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 13:25:53 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1484515553; bh=/S7YhuTnWdBtS76q0oekXaV6TSuKhBHeGr6QDqgEmhI=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=wKn3bnJAgo+QflbZ8Zy2Tceh0eGWWwpEwPIMlBzUgVHMqBClXtmEzBHVZeKIG594x 2dZvo5vEAm0A3M4kt6IEf1Mh4qefriCSgDjObTZjHVTVQhQtx/N5JyH8UIUfNeVDEJ 6NRm5h5GTHXVkVnHGIA1xZNT8gDO7zhCEeYWWtSw= From: Ryan Hamilton To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] DoS using Version Negotiation Packets (#135) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587be8e146ca8_5c73fecfd94f1402623ad"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 21:25:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587be8e146ca8_5c73fecfd94f1402623ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I may not be understanding you. Let's say the client supports only a single version and attempts to connect to two servers. Let's say that one of the servers supports the client's version and the other does not. The second server will send a version negotiation packet. If that packet is delivered to all the client connections, won't they will both be torn down? That seems undesirable. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/135#issuecomment-272724998 ----==_mimepart_587be8e146ca8_5c73fecfd94f1402623ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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= ----==_mimepart_587be8e146ca8_5c73fecfd94f1402623ad-- From nobody Sun Jan 15 13:26:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 216FF129771 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2017 13:25:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.729 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.729 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=0.726, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u6dsPJXSZ1ec for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2017 13:25:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A03E0129717 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2017 13:25:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=saDMv4/qZFrZZjbf4nrVdlWZRww=; b=PHHVvRiJ2Enuv9ls V9gbfjlz7gNMomBCCbMhPOmxfa+pAkg+tbkpcJAsa5/PoyvNddMyaznpxvhag2fS vmEVJg8YohjEL5PjMQTcm9OVAJJsWRN7ze+GwJ9G6HSt1Fm4v97IBRAPcSyYQY0B IJxlEkTdLEAFcSxc6C6oCL2c1mY= Received: by filter0953p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0953p1mdw1-10506-587BE8E3-16 2017-01-15 21:25:55.501333274 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 10a4Xn8FTaeErPcNVlBYMA for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2017 21:25:55.391 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 13:25:55 -0800 From: Alessandro Ghedini To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC-TLS Extension and version negotiation (#99) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587be8e342746_57733f81ab2cd140803da"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ghedo X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak39q9GMBigmLLqP3CHNg7MYGgh1XY5lbpy5Vg f4pQuhALs11z1aGHhQVvpHPw8ZjKlfz400ezO00Ooxg566sH4g0bpz88xZvRsDsxewOgrD74eIWWU4 6Sn0mqgWUUGPJ3zOAQrYzNL/PYJD+7LFhnKPWLMXjU5Frz+TCN7NECylf5wlx/6KplOWpapAvzjvRL E= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 21:25:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587be8e342746_57733f81ab2cd140803da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ghedo commented on this pull request. > -If the server cannot select a combination of ALPN identifier and QUIC version it -MUST abort the connection. A client MUST abort a connection if the server picks -an incompatible version of QUIC version and ALPN. +If the server cannot select a compatible combination of ALPN identifier and QUIC +version, it MUST abort the connection. A client MUST abort a connection if the Should this specify which error to use? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/99#pullrequestreview-16723872 ----==_mimepart_587be8e342746_57733f81ab2cd140803da Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
-If the server cannot select a combination of ALPN identifier and QUIC version it
-MUST abort the connection.  A client MUST abort a connection if the server picks
-an incompatible version of QUIC version and ALPN.
+If the server cannot select a compatible combination of ALPN identifier and QUIC
+version, it MUST abort the connection. A client MUST abort a connection if the

Should this specify which error to use?

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To @iansw= ett's point, if there isn't a one-size fits all number, then we need a = set of guidelines. I explicitly didn't say that we needed a number in the = problem description for that reason.

Is this amplification any worse than TFO + TLS1.3?

I don't know, no one has deployed that yet and so we don't know what we = can do with the first flight with TFO (in TLS 1.3 or any other protocol for= that matter). I expect that whatever guideline/number we arrive at will p= robably apply there.

TFO has a really unsatisfactory response to this problem: https://tools.ietf.org/html/r= fc7413#section-5.2 I guess that's what you get with experimental RFCs.=

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How about we keep this open for the moment. If only to track the need to provide some suggestions. Time, IP, and port seem fairly obvious, but we might some nicer framing.

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----==_mimepart_587be95bde140_6a583f926dfad1306901ba-- From nobody Sun Jan 15 13:33:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 503EF1297A7 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2017 13:33:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.755 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.755 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6Fpm4pp-5O02 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2017 13:33:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB8E21297A5 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2017 13:33:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=IqEha+JNygifMAa9dQzMCU7IXBo=; b=T/+PTjhC7gdLf72g QbuHvLtz54vcGbdvQQAC8bbyAiXMQeeIyznhH0d9fG7ri+wXc5aOWLAxEs6LJHWx FNbzr2KzAT4u0ZAX7sukIcDf3sOyuLK98dLOJ+O1CuwYmxiLpAn9N9e75VbFMTA5 Z+GJ+nLAI592gMndML2HZQdNygo= Received: by filter0599p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0599p1mdw1-32520-587BEAAE-4C 2017-01-15 21:33:34.832694018 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id Xk9fdNaoQa60oV1YVp0rPQ for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2017 21:33:34.701 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 13:33:34 -0800 From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Version downgrade vulnerability (#121) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587beaae9528e_6b0b3fcc4e73913c48875"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3acBlumSEvp/7PGKIBn7MlXSQd7pQwidplP5 nYoppaNmfRpt2upHVFcmmXO7tHg20YAfLy063+7kEWrmLX0cDlq2nslt63OOutTSwER7Sdt8x7LDQz bDpL3rmkd0nK7KqkPSgFW6KX3R8RZitNiw1zNeO0WP5PUNhXFjOWerM7bnRfSxBy4RxZ3GBcjRir50 Q= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 21:33:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587beaae9528e_6b0b3fcc4e73913c48875 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The attack here is that you have a change in the *structure* of the transport parameters such that a client might construct transport parameters from version N, but due to the version negotiation being attacked have them interpreted as being version M. That could be in a way that ensures that the server thinks the client is OK according to the server's version M interpretation; at the same time the client could see the server's version M parameters as valid according to a version N interpretation. If you don't think that sounds likely, imagine moving the version fields in #122 to a parameter and follow the logic through. It is plausible, if unlikely, that the two variations could be interpreted as being correct when evaluated under a different schema. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/121#issuecomment-272725510 ----==_mimepart_587beaae9528e_6b0b3fcc4e73913c48875 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The attack here is that you have a change in the structure of t= he transport parameters such that a client might construct transport parame= ters from version N, but due to the version negotiation being attacked have= them interpreted as being version M. That could be in a way that ensures = that the server thinks the client is OK according to the server's version M= interpretation; at the same time the client could see the server's version= M parameters as valid according to a version N interpretation.

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OK, that is actually entirely appropriate, in a way. Of course, we woul= d ask that Chrome/Google use an option number from the space reserved for e= xperiments, but they can do what they please in that space. That said, we = don't need to register the number for them.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 Connection flow control is a limit to the total bytes of stream data sent in
-STREAM frames.  A receiver advertises credit for a connection by sending a
-WINDOW_UPDATE frame with the StreamID set to zero (0x00).  A receiver may
-maintain a cumulative sum of bytes received cumulatively on all streams to
-determine the value of the connection flow control offset to be advertised in
-WINDOW_UPDATE frames.  A sender may maintain a cumulative sum of stream data
-bytes sent to impose the connection flow control limit.
+STREAM frames on all streams contributing to connection flow control.  A
+receiver advertises credit for a connection by sending a WINDOW_UPDATE frame
+with the StreamID set to zero (0x00).  A receiver maintains a cumulative sum of
+bytes received on all streams contributing to connection-level flow control to
+check for flow control violations. A receiver may maintain a cumulative sum of

"A receiver maintains a cumulative sum..." The word "may" implies something else. (Oh, this is original text..., I'll follow up separately then).

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Assuming that the data is authenticated, then a connection-level error= is appropriate. For the crypto handshake, I am inclined to say that you = can make it optionally a connection-level error as well. That does leave= the connection open to attack, but that requires an on-path attacker, wh= o have many other options at their disposal during the opening exchange.<= /p>

Failing noisily means that we learn about it and are incentivized to f= ix it.

Like @i= answett observes, it's good to have a less-than-MUST strength require= ment here because some implementations will just throw stuff out if they = already think that they have it. Checking for a match might cost them me= mory or time they don't have; and we shouldn't force the check on every i= mplementation. We should probably have some implementations check though= .

Making a check mandatory doesn't lead to the insane memory requirement= @ma= rten-seemann suggests since you just generate a fatal error on the fi= rst infringement.

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= ----==_mimepart_587bf18214d28_29cc3ff68f72513094933-- From nobody Sun Jan 15 14:05:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50EA12985D for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2017 14:05:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.251 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.251 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wCn7nq7qCyok for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2017 14:05:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E2B5129857 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2017 14:05:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=j5l6No6YNwg3qqlRjlU8bLgVB3c=; b=eGbt9KymkMldzhhV MhskkiKhyGKRhhgETs3qEiWI6QRMttuoKN7DmT/OgX/Oyh8ABYtN3IwFY1unt00O gYJKAtV1oDgT6XAMektsTBAsmjIRB1ifXOvPUuPSbRmrSmQlHz3U0Q3HKAFlgBMH HbosSFhD9V9IhEEdvR6++BJGZGY= Received: by filter0600p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0600p1mdw1-22084-587BF23D-1E 2017-01-15 22:05:49.37265833 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id Cfeoku-SQ9CBooZikS3KTg for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2017 22:05:49.241 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 14:05:49 -0800 From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] DoS using Version Negotiation Packets (#135) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587bf23d26597_61833fb5edd57130156283"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1PkfYJ+9lx47EktX1qD+VjdE3jsNiwA8gfYc bt+GqEcplP18E2Fql4dMJHYP1GBzUUCy08KbjJIkpxZvjyYS4JA9SjEij9bnNuv05tEXWEMd2ZPLBT xKXCuPIHfTxo/DzEBzFkAF2LonJ+6LofW5OfO5oQGSx71kR4Q4Si8YjZXpAktDi/G19zZXLzohKcas U= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 22:05:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587bf23d26597_61833fb5edd57130156283 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If these are two different servers, then they will be on different N-tuples and the version negotiation packets can be attributed to the right connection by the client without relying on the connection ID. This is only a problem if the two servers are on the *same* N-tuple AND they support different versions. My point would be "don't do that then". -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/135#issuecomment-272728560 ----==_mimepart_587bf23d26597_61833fb5edd57130156283 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If these are two different servers, then they will be on different N-tup= les and the version negotiation packets can be attributed to the right conn= ection by the client without relying on the connection ID.

This is only a problem if the two servers are on the same N-tup= le AND they support different versions. My point would be "don't do that t= hen".

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
-If the server cannot select a combination of ALPN identifier and QUIC version it
-MUST abort the connection.  A client MUST abort a connection if the server picks
-an incompatible version of QUIC version and ALPN.
+If the server cannot select a compatible combination of ALPN identifier and QUIC
+version, it MUST abort the connection. A client MUST abort a connection if the

Yes, generally we need to identify error codes. But until we have #37 fixed, I think that we can afford to be a little bit lenient on PRs that describe error conditions.

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we've already come up with a use case for 64 bits of stream ID

I think I missed out on something, so could you describe the use case in here (or direct me to where this is described)?

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Except that QUIC connections are identified/sharded by connection ID, not by 4-tuple.

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BLOCKED frames are expected to be sent infrequently in common cases, but they are considered useful for debugging and monitoring purposes. A receiver advertises credit for a stream by sending a WINDOW_UPDATE frame with -the StreamID set appropriately. A receiver may simply use the current received -offset to determine the flow control offset to be advertised. +the StreamID set appropriately. A receiver may use the current offset of data +consumed to determine the flow control offset to be advertised. +A receiver MAY send copies of a WINDOW_UPDATE frame in multiple packets in order +to make sure that the sender receives it even if one of the packets is lost. A +sender MUST ignore duplicate WINDOW_UPDATE frames. Yeah, I think this is a nice optimization. +1 to Martin's point about ignoring "old" WINDOW_UPDATE frames. The PR doesn't quite capture the point that a sender must ensure that a WINDOW_UPDATE frame is delivered to the receiver, which the draft currently guarantees by making the frame reliable. What you want is that the most recent value be the one that is transmitted. We could define retransmission of control frames as allowing newer control information. This would apply to WINDOW_UPDATE, PING, RST_STREAM, CONNECTION_CLOSE frames, but the only place it would be really useful is in WINDOW_UPDATE. WDYT? Beyond that, we can allow senders to send multiple WINDOW_UPDATE frames if they want, since, as you suggest in your PR, the receiver MUST ignore "old" ones. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/150 ----==_mimepart_587c120e82fec_7ac93fe52ee4313c73787 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  A sender MUST send BLOCKED frames to indicate it has data to write but is
 blocked by lack of connection or stream flow control credit.  BLOCKED frames are
 expected to be sent infrequently in common cases, but they are considered useful
 for debugging and monitoring purposes.
 
 A receiver advertises credit for a stream by sending a WINDOW_UPDATE frame with
-the StreamID set appropriately.  A receiver may simply use the current received
-offset to determine the flow control offset to be advertised.
+the StreamID set appropriately. A receiver may use the current offset of data
+consumed to determine the flow control offset to be advertised.
+A receiver MAY send copies of a WINDOW_UPDATE frame in multiple packets in order
+to make sure that the sender receives it even if one of the packets is lost. A
+sender MUST ignore duplicate WINDOW_UPDATE frames.

Yeah, I think this is a nice optimization. +1 to Martin's point about ignoring "old" WINDOW_UPDATE frames.

The PR doesn't quite capture the point that a sender must ensure that a WINDOW_UPDATE frame is delivered to the receiver, which the draft currently guarantees by making the frame reliable. What you want is that the most recent value be the one that is transmitted.

We could define retransmission of control frames as allowing newer control information. This would apply to WINDOW_UPDATE, PING, RST_STREAM, CONNECTION_CLOSE frames, but the only place it would be really useful is in WINDOW_UPDATE. WDYT?

Beyond that, we can allow senders to send multiple WINDOW_UPDATE frames if they want, since, as you suggest in your PR, the receiver MUST ignore "old" ones.

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BLOCKED frames are expected to be sent infrequently in common cases, but they are considered useful for debugging and monitoring purposes. A receiver advertises credit for a stream by sending a WINDOW_UPDATE frame with -the StreamID set appropriately. A receiver may simply use the current received -offset to determine the flow control offset to be advertised. +the StreamID set appropriately. A receiver may use the current offset of data +consumed to determine the flow control offset to be advertised. +A receiver MAY send copies of a WINDOW_UPDATE frame in multiple packets in order +to make sure that the sender receives it even if one of the packets is lost. A +sender MUST ignore duplicate WINDOW_UPDATE frames. I like the sentence that @martinthomson suggested: "A WINDOW_UPDATE that doesn't move the window forward can be ignored". @janaiyengar This PR doesn't change the part of the draft that says that WINDOW_UPDATEs MUST be retransmitted. In #114 we're having a discussion about relaxing this requirement in cases where the receiver can be sure that the sender already received a WINDOW_UPDATE with a greater offset. I really like that idea, but I think we should keep it out of this PR. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/150 ----==_mimepart_587c2f38ba17f_6a5e3fd03a615130435cf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  A sender MUST send BLOCKED frames to indicate it has data to write but is
 blocked by lack of connection or stream flow control credit.  BLOCKED frames are
 expected to be sent infrequently in common cases, but they are considered useful
 for debugging and monitoring purposes.
 
 A receiver advertises credit for a stream by sending a WINDOW_UPDATE frame with
-the StreamID set appropriately.  A receiver may simply use the current received
-offset to determine the flow control offset to be advertised.
+the StreamID set appropriately. A receiver may use the current offset of data
+consumed to determine the flow control offset to be advertised.
+A receiver MAY send copies of a WINDOW_UPDATE frame in multiple packets in order
+to make sure that the sender receives it even if one of the packets is lost. A
+sender MUST ignore duplicate WINDOW_UPDATE frames.

I like the sentence that @martinthomson suggested: "A WINDOW_UPDATE that doesn't move the window forward can be ignored".

@janaiyengar This PR doesn't change the part of the draft that says that WINDOW_UPDATEs MUST be retransmitted. In #114 we're having a discussion about relaxing this requirement in cases where the receiver can be sure that the sender already received a WINDOW_UPDATE with a greater offset. I really like that idea, but I think we should keep it out of this PR.

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@marten-seemann pushed 3 commits.

  • a369517 add missing comma
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I didn't mean to imply that N^2 is the memory requirement to check for= CONFLICTING_STREAM_DATA erros (or however they will be called). I was ju= st pointing out that the scenario where an attacker sends a lot of overla= pping stream data should be something to keep in mind when implementing a= STREAM frame sorter.
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BLOCKED frames are expected to be sent infrequently in common cases, but they are considered useful for debugging and monitoring purposes. A receiver advertises credit for a stream by sending a WINDOW_UPDATE frame with -the StreamID set appropriately. A receiver may simply use the current received -offset to determine the flow control offset to be advertised. +the StreamID set appropriately. A receiver may use the current offset of data +consumed to determine the flow control offset to be advertised. +A receiver MAY send copies of a WINDOW_UPDATE frame in multiple packets in order +to make sure that the sender receives it even if one of the packets is lost. A +sender MUST ignore duplicate WINDOW_UPDATE frames. I think that ACK and WINDOW_UPDATE should form a new class of frames, those that are cumulative. These require that senders generate another frame if they are identified as being lost, but they don't require verbatim retransmission. Looking at the other frames in the list there: It doesn't make a lot of sense to retransmit PING as though it were something that needed repair (treat the ping as failed and maybe try again, but don't use automated processing for it for risk of having the overall time measured. It's possible you might want to send multiple PING frames for redundancy within an RTT. RST_STREAM clearly needs repair and repeating it verbatim is probably the only rational choice. CONNECTION_CLOSE is probably the same, though GOAWAY might fall into the cumulative bucket as well. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/150 ----==_mimepart_587c3bb1c8baf_4d733f95a42451348216a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  A sender MUST send BLOCKED frames to indicate it has data to write but is
 blocked by lack of connection or stream flow control credit.  BLOCKED frames are
 expected to be sent infrequently in common cases, but they are considered useful
 for debugging and monitoring purposes.
 
 A receiver advertises credit for a stream by sending a WINDOW_UPDATE frame with
-the StreamID set appropriately.  A receiver may simply use the current received
-offset to determine the flow control offset to be advertised.
+the StreamID set appropriately. A receiver may use the current offset of data
+consumed to determine the flow control offset to be advertised.
+A receiver MAY send copies of a WINDOW_UPDATE frame in multiple packets in order
+to make sure that the sender receives it even if one of the packets is lost. A
+sender MUST ignore duplicate WINDOW_UPDATE frames.

I think that ACK and WINDOW_UPDATE should form a new class of frames, those that are cumulative. These require that senders generate another frame if they are identified as being lost, but they don't require verbatim retransmission.

Looking at the other frames in the list there:

It doesn't make a lot of sense to retransmit PING as though it were something that needed repair (treat the ping as failed and maybe try again, but don't use automated processing for it for risk of having the overall time measured. It's possible you might want to send multiple PING frames for redundancy within an RTT.

RST_STREAM clearly needs repair and repeating it verbatim is probably the only rational choice. CONNECTION_CLOSE is probably the same, though GOAWAY might fall into the cumulative bucket as well.

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@marten-seemann pushed 2 commits.

  • 70bf032 Revert "allow reading from streams that a RST_STREAM has been received for"
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----==_mimepart_587c3ce9c020_2f6a3fe715fc713c662c2-- From nobody Sun Jan 15 19:26:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D793129466 for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2017 19:26:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.155 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.155 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 35V87Gl0lUWr for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2017 19:26:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED2F812944B for ; Sun, 15 Jan 2017 19:26:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 19:26:16 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1484537176; bh=y5NfJVjraqktMVy2gc7wt3y2ZD93SNZxp65dnUmkJ+k=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bYjgYrXqLDNV4huNUde4GVoiSfS3/a+74IN1d0BSI1Nt88DpkoB8uF40M92YlJsfc sr28Lc1nS81kEGqDWwaWP2tTRbJra8fpR8fyATPY33YOPe+DvZydBOQT5usXWkRDAN FlgUJyCHcBSqcxAX/oepC0V+/BUcsnDpOmai9WcQ= From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Including updated information in retransmitted frames (#157) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587c3d5859997_72083fa88e941134893ed"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 03:26:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587c3d5859997_72083fa88e941134893ed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WINDOW_UPDATE is cumulative. Requiring retransmission of the exact value that was sent in the past doesn't make sense if a more recent value is available. Rather than loss triggering a retransmission of the frame that was lost, loss should trigger the creation of a NEW frame with updated details. In [this comment](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/150#discussion_r96152215) @janaiyengar observes that probably all of the control-like frames could be treated specially if they need to be retransmitted. Changing the "retransmission" rule for control (i.e., non-STREAM) frames to allow for updated information to be included might not benefit many of the other frame types, though it might make sense to make the rule general to allow for some flexibility See also #146 where there is discussion about verbatim retransmission of STREAM frames. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/157 ----==_mimepart_587c3d5859997_72083fa88e941134893ed Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

WINDOW_UPDATE is cumulative. Requiring retransmission of the exact value that was sent in the past doesn't make sense if a more recent value is available. Rather than loss triggering a retransmission of the frame that was lost, loss should trigger the creation of a NEW frame with updated details.

In this comment @janaiyengar observes that probably all of the control-like frames could be treated specially if they need to be retransmitted. Changing the "retransmission" rule for control (i.e., non-STREAM) frames to allow for updated information to be included might not benefit many of the other frame types, though it might make sense to make the rule general to allow for some flexibility

See also #146 where there is discussion about verbatim retransmission of STREAM frames.

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I agree with the need for changes to the state machine, but it's a fairly big change. We might want to consider other, more drastic changes here.

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Presumably they are also identified/sharded by IP and port. Otherwise connection ID would have to be globally unique, a purpose for which they are not nearly large enough.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +       UpdateRtt(rtt_sample)
+     // Find all newly acked packets.
+     for acked_packet in DetermineNewlyAckedPackets():
+       OnPacketAcked(acked_packet)
+
+     DetectLostPackets(ack.largest_acked_packet);
+     SetLossDetectionAlarm();
+
+
+   UpdateRtt(rtt_sample):
+     if (smoothed_rtt == 0):
+       smoothed_rtt = rtt_sample
+       rttvar = rtt_sample / 2
+     else:
+       rttvar = 3/4 * rttvar + 1/4 * (smoothed_rtt - rtt_sample)
+       smoothed_rtt = 7/8 * smoothed_rtt + 1/8 * rtt_sample

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +       UpdateRtt(rtt_sample)
+     // Find all newly acked packets.
+     for acked_packet in DetermineNewlyAckedPackets():
+       OnPacketAcked(acked_packet)
+
+     DetectLostPackets(ack.largest_acked_packet);
+     SetLossDetectionAlarm();
+
+
+   UpdateRtt(rtt_sample):
+     if (smoothed_rtt == 0):
+       smoothed_rtt = rtt_sample
+       rttvar = rtt_sample / 2
+     else:
+       rttvar = 3/4 * rttvar + 1/4 * (smoothed_rtt - rtt_sample)
+       smoothed_rtt = 7/8 * smoothed_rtt + 1/8 * rtt_sample

Oh, I see that this is just RFC 6298 directly implemented. Might pay to be more direct about that. Only the smoothed_rtt value contains the reference.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -the resulting UDP datagram.  All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the
-path's MTU to avoid IP fragmentation.  The recommended default maximum packet
-size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4.  To optimize better,
-endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting
-the maximum packet size appropriately.
+The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire UDP payload,
+including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields.
+All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path MTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting the maximum
+packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms, the recommended default
+maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. 
+
+All handshake packets MUST include a PADDING frame if necessary to bring the

I'd consider retransmission of an initial packet to be equivalent to starting over. I'm concerned that we're going to affect the multi-packet server flight unnecessary, that's all.

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Can this work in such a way that a QUIC connection (same connID) should survive, for example, a client rotating IPv6 temporary addresses multiple times mid-connection?

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----==_mimepart_587c7ec818917_24143fa88e9411344984b0-- From nobody Mon Jan 16 00:39:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1157E1293E9 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 00:39:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SLhP--IpjwN8 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 00:39:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 600AC1293E4 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 00:39:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 00:31:59 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1484555519; bh=5GvwKBGAIXG7cSJLcigFbcE1wWXIjx9E8XD5PvxsOcU=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=llvTosdrMo9ejVVx3W2HH9H7z82fF5lOsiEXDq9d6nwLNs3tY+tu3WBDN/cHKK6XS iCxkD9ZI+8TB0DH2lxN2mOV9y19CKgryrZskM4sceuhNytnTO5s1vnvo5drBK0iWrm 0uyzKrdFKoJnAjDfPJPc1S5ptKdsrV2Bq9ci3bMQ= From: Lars Eggert To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Support for inter-frame padding (#158) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587c84ff6617a_e373feccb68d13c6386ab"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 08:39:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587c84ff6617a_e373feccb68d13c6386ab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The section on padding frames currently says: ``` The PADDING frame (type=0x00) pads a packet with 0x00 bytes. When this frame is encountered, the rest of the packet is expected to be padding bytes. The frame contains 0x00 bytes and extends to the end of the QUIC packet. A PADDING frame has no additional fields. ``` I'd like to discuss whether a padding frame that can be inserted anywhere, instead of only as the last frame in a packet, makes sense. I'm currently doing a zero-copy implementation of QUIC on top of [netmap](http://info.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/netmap/), which due to static DMA mappings requires an app to place stream frame data directly into packet buffers at a (fixed) offset. The QUIC stack then inserts the common header and other frames before the stream frames, and needs to pad any unused space. Currently, this isn't possible. In other words, I'd like something similar to the [No-Operation TCP option](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc793#page-18). (And it's an open question whether going to great lengths to support zero-copy TX is actually all that useful, given that we're going to do crypto over the entire buffer anyway.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/158 ----==_mimepart_587c84ff6617a_e373feccb68d13c6386ab Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The section on padding frames currently says:

   The PADDING frame (type=0x00) pads a packet with 0x00 bytes.  When
   this frame is encountered, the rest of the packet is expected to be
   padding bytes.  The frame contains 0x00 bytes and extends to the end
   of the QUIC packet.  A PADDING frame has no additional fields.

I'd like to discuss whether a padding frame that can be inserted anywhere, instead of only as the last frame in a packet, makes sense.

I'm currently doing a zero-copy implementation of QUIC on top of netmap, which due to static DMA mappings requires an app to place stream frame data directly into packet buffers at a (fixed) offset. The QUIC stack then inserts the common header and other frames before the stream frames, and needs to pad any unused space. Currently, this isn't possible.

In other words, I'd like something similar to the No-Operation TCP option.

(And it's an open question whether going to great lengths to support zero-copy TX is actually all that useful, given that we're going to do crypto over the entire buffer anyway.)

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I agree that resets and other control information should be re transmitted as quickly as possible. However, data frames could be retransmitted based on their frame priority.

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I'm not sure that if the server sends a 404 that this automatically mean= s it must close the stream. 404 is application logic and given you received= the 404 message correctly the server transport connection works. You shoul= d just close the stream regularly or even the whole connection.

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Streams currently don't have priorities in QUIC (there's a separate di= scussion about that in #104).
Even if they had, I'd argue that retransmitting lost stream data should b= e prioritized in some way, since a gap in stream data blocks the applicat= ion from reading from that stream (and from advancing the flow control wi= ndow, which might in consequence lead to this stream becoming blocked). However, since the suggested addition here is a SHOULD, this is an implem= entation detail, and we don't have to worry about that here (unless we ch= ange it to a MUST).

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There already is a "DISCUSS_AND_REPLACE: Perhaps make this format simpler" note in the spec about the homegrown floating point format used for ACK timestamps. I just wanted to open a corresponding issue.

It would be really good if an encoding could be used that was either trivial to implement from scratch, or a standard for which code is readily available.

As for the latter, the text in the spec sounds like what is desired is something like the "binary16" format in IEEE 754-2008. I'd be great if this could be used. Compiler support seems spotty/sketchy, e.g., gcc says this:

The __fp16 type may only be used as an argument to intrinsics defined in <arm_fp16.h>, or as a storage format. For purposes of arithmetic and other operations, __fp16 values in C or C++ expressions are automatically promoted to float.

And it's only supported form ARM, apparently.

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Is stream ID space really an issue? Given it's so cheap to open new connections, you could probably seamlessly open a new quic connection...?

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In this case I simply wouldn't call it a retransmission but sending of a new frame should be triggered if loss was detected.

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Given that the implementation of option (1) is simpler anyway, what's the benefit of (2)?

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Isn't this a duplicate of #109?

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+1 to marten's excellent clarification.

This of course could change if prioritization moves into the QUIC transport from the H2 layer, but I think that's a much longer conversation.

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Marten, agreed that an N^2 attack is a case to keep in mind when impleme= nting, and we should possibly note that in the doc.

The main negative to me of option (1) is that it means you can never mer= ge or split a stream frame once it's sent. @marten-seemann , were you imply= ing that this was possible with stop-waiting frames?

I'd like to discuss this at the interim, because it seems important and = resolvable, so adding to the list.

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Probably, although it's a bit terse. (I tried to look if someone had raised this, but didn't find #109.)

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I don't think option (1) is easier. In fact, the need to check for an OV= ERLAPPING_STREAM_DATA error be used for a DoS against the receiver:
If the received data contains gaps, the receiver has to store all STREAM fr= ames until the gaps are filled and the data can be read by the application.= For every incoming STREAM frame the receiver now has to check, if it 1. en= tirely fills a gap, 2. completely overlaps with received data, or 3. overla= ps the boundary between already received data and a gap. This check can be= performed in O(log N) per frame, so the computational complexity of the ST= REAM frame sorter is O(N log N), where N is the number of STREAM frames an = attacker can send within one flow control window.

Because of this DoS vulnerability we introduced a maximum number of gaps= that a client may send in quic-go, and I believe Chrome did the same.

@ianswett= : Merging frames was never possible, since we're explicitly checking fo= r OVERLAPPING_STREAM_DATA errors. To avoid those errors under all circumsta= nces (especially when packets get delayed), it was necessary to include a S= TOP_WAITING in every packet containing retransmitted strea= m data. As soon as we drop STOP_WAITINGs, we would have to include an ACK i= nstead in every such packet, which seems undesirable, give= n that ACKs are bigger than STOP_WAITINGs.

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Yes, what to do with lost packets is missing.

Two main things I plan to add:

  1. Decide whether to retransmit any frames in the packets.
  2. Notify the congestion control interface and pass any lost packets to th= at.

I hadn't decided if I was going to use a list of frames to be retransmit= ted for (1), or keep two numbers, one for the earliest lost packet that has= n't been retransmitted and one for the largest lost packet. I think the la= tter is closer to how I'd recommend people implement it and I think may be = easier to describe. Thoughts?

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"send FIN" and "recv FIN" are used in wrong places. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7540#section-5.1 asserts this.

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  • Fix stream state transition diagram

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----==_mimepart_587cd54976842_2d87b3fd5f7c9d134149274-- From nobody Mon Jan 16 06:21:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65888129503 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 06:21:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.301 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.301 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ea6WTSekg-0W for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 06:21:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3422F1293F8 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 06:21:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=CuLceFWeaBRkZC5Vb5RS/WkMyuY=; b=Kg1ztkBGvxcLA4I1 8wSEF0nA+kkNxFNLySim0/Sg9Cioip9xoGRfwu0jGtpZzefa1/Vpm/9lc/Bo26dP YQ4DSoKIrJycuPeP7EWCgrLjJFZ9tHlYgB99VP8Hb6uwUxmV6/1yUB+3xzgpBzo2 Gxjmm6/fcbjGARC/lO43YzhSNfg= Received: by filter0855p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0855p1mdw1-29062-587CD6DB-19 2017-01-16 14:21:15.460259367 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id fiuEbtDqQDyJrNBD9Ypmvg for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 14:21:15.376 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 06:21:15 -0800 From: ianswett To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Simplify time representation (#109) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587cd6db37ef4_59a23ffb3e031140771da"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1zBp2AADUOa36KAyuh5QfZp1jqh4W/nvNmxP zPnaYtIQz5J2MCAXbAYM1Dywa0JJjB5YkcdeA+P7uO75KPd0Hp2R2rA6nnAJkfn9g99EceeHa/tmmj tVWSn2tLNwBZmiocb3Ejnl5WcTL25nksjuhf9QQSV0wpdHTmUXYRZpAWVLj8NwrBF0MLLufkny2H0r 0= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 14:21:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587cd6db37ef4_59a23ffb3e031140771da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I propose we switch to scaled integers with a scale factor that is supplied by both peers at the beginning of the connection. If no scale factor is supplied, default to microseconds. This allows 65ms of time, which is plenty for most cases. MAX_UINT_16 indicates the value was too large to be specified. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/109#issuecomment-272873075 ----==_mimepart_587cd6db37ef4_59a23ffb3e031140771da Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I propose we switch to scaled integers with a scale factor that is suppl= ied by both peers at the beginning of the connection. If no scale factor i= s supplied, default to microseconds. This allows 65ms of time, which is pl= enty for most cases.

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In #109, which is in the needs discussion list, I propose we switch to scaled uint16s.

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It's editorial, as well as not defined. I'll fix it.

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The first use case I've discussed(not sure on what list) was WebRTC, w= here a proposed mapping is to use a stream per audio or video frame. At = that rate, we calculated we'd run out of stream ids after about a day. A= dmittedly, we could also just reconnect at that point, so it's not a high= priority use case.

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Is stream ID space really an issue? Given it's so cheap to open new con= nections, you could probably seamlessly open a new quic connection...?

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= ----==_mimepart_587cdad33964e_2d9093fd5f7c9d1343279f-- From nobody Mon Jan 16 06:48:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEAE2129405 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 06:48:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.815 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.815 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4aj6t9wkem7H for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 06:48:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 826AD12953F for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 06:48:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=KefYT40EZe/dcAu9tiqarHwVgPc=; b=EZz2LN6mjHI8asxC V10sHEtLJYghiD/YY4JEkFC/1y6VaUhQVvB+VsMzFQNPFW1V/zAs5en3hqKaBQ2k rX43XlOZcRBGeMhLND7Nqbcy1n/z9IkS0XC0q4jqNFYTwStUzq4QA15vij4v/TAm j917DrLMiff68oat1uvUf7rCU1g= Received: by filter0843p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0843p1mdw1-1736-587CDD3F-28 2017-01-16 14:48:31.611953801 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id CFbSzYCQRuCNZuUx0v68SA for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 14:48:31.496 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 06:48:31 -0800 From: Marten Seemann To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] STREAM frame boundaries (#146) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587cdd3f63fb9_5bbf3ffb3e0311401153f6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2koFVvgJh5X9TwCC5IvDPq3BX1cKBxlWVPrE u1JXIaF88cPr+z0er5b/Qjc3I8YW+1edZ9tbWUgjfQXP2Exvq6aUZ1DkP4r+N1KKbxDwneo78Pivtk +tiCj6P3kg8eDrjgQnd5HQ0ijWar4a++J7inWUcxgsELw2EkG6Ybjb1OVGcMrhZTKttIhUQZTOPQ+F g= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 14:48:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587cdd3f63fb9_5bbf3ffb3e0311401153f6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speaking of DoSes, I don't think that checking for CONFLICTING_STREAM_DATA comes for free, if an attacker sends stream data with a lot of gaps. I'm not sure that there's an algorithm that doesn't have the same complexity as the one described above, or doesn't incur a memory overhead of O(N) (which is significant, since N can be on the order of megabytes per stream). If I'm correct, this might be an argument against introducing a CONFLICTING_STREAM_DATA error. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/146#issuecomment-272881595 ----==_mimepart_587cdd3f63fb9_5bbf3ffb3e0311401153f6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Speaking of DoSes, I don't think that checking for CONFLICTING_STREAM_DA= TA comes for free, if an attacker sends stream data with a lot of gaps.
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= ----==_mimepart_587cdd3f63fb9_5bbf3ffb3e0311401153f6-- From nobody Mon Jan 16 07:00:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13CB2129557 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 07:00:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.218 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.218 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q1NAX-93WgCP for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 07:00:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5689512955C for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 07:00:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=evVtQy4NagRxUgj+QQOiUBSo9h4=; b=jVOtxNr540+LU/AZ QjKCqHkUwxCnvuBboTSYIQ7wOQDZ+n9IaJtC08Hxj6mYZWH5lyvL5IQXzs5tcIoo hbUocXji7Hr/Bi6qcV+Nnlc5qbg6uvVhoBHUT6Ln4ea0jmsZXkOG5IPrdrpsECVD NTQ/RceybP2yo8+cg9Odp8+nPtk= Received: by filter0534p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0534p1mdw1-5843-587CE001-79 2017-01-16 15:00:17.974920641 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id qLGhUOIWRAOL-gFnoD6uBw for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 15:00:17.875 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 07:00:17 -0800 From: Marten Seemann To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Simplify time representation (#109) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587ce001bd36d_56573f9c43c1f13c6544"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2Dk3ezLuDjw9v7lr2ZsrlTw2gdQcxct7g03O NRJVOPANyM48GRP/h3gyXCbTKfXKtyADZ1YsEUt2QpdcRtu1OdDrVkBwGhXZPf0TQNvmHwsY+eNSxp I5bKrm7Une8wMZhIlCnKpH+NLUjAbu0xCo1X8qIZ2syGbYZpdZ/pjVieKbPfRd5GG9/77xZ+F55kYz A= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 15:00:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587ce001bd36d_56573f9c43c1f13c6544 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just ran some tests with a quic-go server, and some normal browsing activity using Chrome (all on localhost), and recorded the delay times of incoming ACKs. I'm seeing a few ones that have delay times on the order of 65 ms. ACKs with a delay of MAX_UINT_16 would probably need to be excluded from contributing to the RTT calculations, right? What's the reason to change the format at all? Other than that it's a little bit of bit shifting that needs to be implemented (which could be made a lot easier by providing some examples). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/109#issuecomment-272884522 ----==_mimepart_587ce001bd36d_56573f9c43c1f13c6544 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I just ran some tests with a quic-go server, and some normal browsing ac= tivity using Chrome (all on localhost), and recorded the delay times of inc= oming ACKs. I'm seeing a few ones that have delay times on the order of 65 = ms.
ACKs with a delay of MAX_UINT_16 would probably need to be excluded from co= ntributing to the RTT calculations, right?

What's the reason to change the format at all? Other than that it's a li= ttle bit of bit shifting that needs to be implemented (which could be made = a lot easier by providing some examples).

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= ----==_mimepart_587ce001bd36d_56573f9c43c1f13c6544-- From nobody Mon Jan 16 07:25:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 841C5129562 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 07:25:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3HEaYcVhgoaZ for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 07:25:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 471EB129547 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 07:25:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 07:25:39 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1484580339; bh=pWTjp3kGeFM0uj5ceKuOIAu7PQBEA4+kTt+aTPi0Ohc=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=N82uxrRIUOuPHiHtxam6nhlIB5w2XEh3M33Tr3R5Yk/M91ftAHEck19wP71c7YW0F rWb1CezCo6DBR4dB+ztwJk6qawdIdzbnM0b8CAsG32qFVk3IvtXBckNOhUXNapWU76 kcNmyl4dTnrZJaipVQXd9WAnAoysD+Td0s++nAWc= From: ianswett To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Reducing the complexity of the QUIC packet header (#148) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587ce5f360db7_45b33facf129d140109748"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 15:25:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587ce5f360db7_45b33facf129d140109748 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We should definitely reduce complexity where-ever possible, and there are likely some opportunities in the header. But it'd very difficult to make it simpler and maintain two design goals I believe are very important: 1) Minimal framing overhead for applications that are sensitive to it(VoIP is one) 2) Future proofing QUIC for another 20+ years 1 byte packet numbers aren't hugely useful, but 2 byte ones are very common. And as much as it seems insane to have packet numbers larger than 4 bytes, I fear we'd want it later. I think the issue of suboptimal MTU is not that large. Right now we're always within 10% of optimal, and commonly closer to 5%. 5% more packet overhead is 3 bytes for IPv6. But the complexity of making packet number and other variable length encodings work is tiny compared to doing PathMTU properly. It's also worth keeping in mind this will become ossified, so at some point we won't be able to easily change this via version negotiation. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/148#issuecomment-272890996 ----==_mimepart_587ce5f360db7_45b33facf129d140109748 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We should definitely reduce complexity where-ever possible, and there = are likely some opportunities in the header. But it'd very difficult to = make it simpler and maintain two design goals I believe are very importan= t:

  1. Minimal framing overhead for applications that are sensitive to it(Vo= IP is one)
  2. Future proofing QUIC for another 20+ years

1 byte packet numbers aren't hugely useful, but 2 byte ones are very c= ommon. And as much as it seems insane to have packet numbers larger than= 4 bytes, I fear we'd want it later.

I think the issue of suboptimal MTU is not that large. Right now we'r= e always within 10% of optimal, and commonly closer to 5%. 5% more packe= t overhead is 3 bytes for IPv6. But the complexity of making packet numb= er and other variable length encodings work is tiny compared to doing Pat= hMTU properly.

It's also worth keeping in mind this will become ossified, so at some = point we won't be able to easily change this via version negotiation.

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There is a sentence that says: > This section lists the defined QUIC transport error codes that may be used in a CONNECTION_CLOSE or RST_STREAM frame. However, this is inaccurate as there are ~ 16 stream RST_STREAM error codes missing (see below) Google's QUIC reset stream error code definition (in code) have moved to https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/master/net/quic/core/quic_error_codes.h How would the following error codes map into the new I-D error code space? If you can provide a hint I would be happy to write a PR that put RST_STREAM errors into the doc. ``` enum QuicRstStreamErrorCode { // Complete response has been sent, sending a RST to ask the other endpoint // to stop sending request data without discarding the response. QUIC_STREAM_NO_ERROR = 0, // There was some error which halted stream processing. QUIC_ERROR_PROCESSING_STREAM, // We got two fin or reset offsets which did not match. QUIC_MULTIPLE_TERMINATION_OFFSETS, // We got bad payload and can not respond to it at the protocol level. QUIC_BAD_APPLICATION_PAYLOAD, // Stream closed due to connection error. No reset frame is sent when this // happens. QUIC_STREAM_CONNECTION_ERROR, // GoAway frame sent. No more stream can be created. QUIC_STREAM_PEER_GOING_AWAY, // The stream has been cancelled. QUIC_STREAM_CANCELLED, // Closing stream locally, sending a RST to allow for proper flow control // accounting. Sent in response to a RST from the peer. QUIC_RST_ACKNOWLEDGEMENT, // Receiver refused to create the stream (because its limit on open streams // has been reached). The sender should retry the request later (using // another stream). QUIC_REFUSED_STREAM, // Invalid URL in PUSH_PROMISE request header. QUIC_INVALID_PROMISE_URL, // Server is not authoritative for this URL. QUIC_UNAUTHORIZED_PROMISE_URL, // Can't have more than one active PUSH_PROMISE per URL. QUIC_DUPLICATE_PROMISE_URL, // Vary check failed. QUIC_PROMISE_VARY_MISMATCH, // Only GET and HEAD methods allowed. QUIC_INVALID_PROMISE_METHOD, // The push stream is unclaimed and timed out. QUIC_PUSH_STREAM_TIMED_OUT, // Received headers were too large. QUIC_HEADERS_TOO_LARGE, // No error. Used as bound while iterating. QUIC_STREAM_LAST_ERROR, }; ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/19#issuecomment-272895137 ----==_mimepart_587ce9c4aa645_11a73f9df1e2d1402305ef Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The [error code section|https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-tr= ansport-01#section-11] in draft-ietf-quic-transport-01 has been updated b= ut I still don't think my original issue has been addressed. There is a s= entence that says:

This section lists the defined QUIC transport error codes that may be = used in a CONNECTION_CLOSE or RST_STREAM frame.

However, this is inaccurate as there are ~ 16 stream RST_STREAM error = codes missing (see below)

Google's QUIC reset stream error code definition (in code) have moved = to https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiu= m/src/+/master/net/quic/core/quic_error_codes.h

How would the following error codes map into the new I-D error code sp= ace? If you can provide a hint I would be happy to write a PR that put RS= T_STREAM errors into the doc.

enum QuicRstStreamErrorCode {
  // Complete response has been sent, sending a RST to ask the other endp=
oint
  // to stop sending request data without discarding the response.
  QUIC_STREAM_NO_ERROR =3D 0,
  // There was some error which halted stream processing.
  QUIC_ERROR_PROCESSING_STREAM,
  // We got two fin or reset offsets which did not match.
  QUIC_MULTIPLE_TERMINATION_OFFSETS,
  // We got bad payload and can not respond to it at the protocol level.
  QUIC_BAD_APPLICATION_PAYLOAD,
  // Stream closed due to connection error. No reset frame is sent when t=
his
  // happens.
  QUIC_STREAM_CONNECTION_ERROR,
  // GoAway frame sent. No more stream can be created.
  QUIC_STREAM_PEER_GOING_AWAY,
  // The stream has been cancelled.
  QUIC_STREAM_CANCELLED,
  // Closing stream locally, sending a RST to allow for proper flow contr=
ol
  // accounting. Sent in response to a RST from the peer.
  QUIC_RST_ACKNOWLEDGEMENT,
  // Receiver refused to create the stream (because its limit on open str=
eams
  // has been reached).  The sender should retry the request later (using=

  // another stream).
  QUIC_REFUSED_STREAM,
  // Invalid URL in PUSH_PROMISE request header.
  QUIC_INVALID_PROMISE_URL,
  // Server is not authoritative for this URL.
  QUIC_UNAUTHORIZED_PROMISE_URL,
  // Can't have more than one active PUSH_PROMISE per URL.
  QUIC_DUPLICATE_PROMISE_URL,
  // Vary check failed.
  QUIC_PROMISE_VARY_MISMATCH,
  // Only GET and HEAD methods allowed.
  QUIC_INVALID_PROMISE_METHOD,
  // The push stream is unclaimed and timed out.
  QUIC_PUSH_STREAM_TIMED_OUT,
  // Received headers were too large.
  QUIC_HEADERS_TOO_LARGE,
  // No error. Used as bound while iterating.
  QUIC_STREAM_LAST_ERROR,
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The reason is that it's not fully specified. We either need to say it's IEEE754 and cite it, or we need to include a spec for what we actually are using.

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All the unencrypted packets all have a 12 byte hash to ensure they hav= en't been inadvertently modified in flight or they're random internet jun= k. It also means all the encryptors have the same 12 byte overhead, whic= h is nice.

I'm guessing from your comment this never got migrated from the QUIC c= rypto doc into the transport or tls docs?

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One reason for changing it is that it may be very difficult to get a L= inux kernel implementation if we require support for any sort of floating= point format, but maybe it could be read and immediately converted to an= int. Similarly, hardware support may be much more challenging. And tho= ugh it's sort of neat, I'm not sure it's buying us a lot over a scaled in= t.

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I believe this PR is close to ready. The main open issue, I believe, is = what the specification says about padding handshake packets.

  1. All handshake packets to be padded to maximum size.
  2. Pad at least one packet per handshake (in each direction) that is s= uccessfully acknowledged
  3. More specifically, the first client packet (CHLO) and retransmissions, = and last server packet [SHLO] and retransmissions. In many cases this will= be the same as #2, but i= s a bit more prescriptive.

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> *@martinthomson* commented on this pull request.
> ------------------------------
>
> In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md
> <https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/106>:
>
> > -the resulting UDP datagram. All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized = to fit within the
> -path's MTU to avoid IP fragmentation. The recommended default = maximum packet
> -size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4. To optimize b= etter,
> -endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's= MTU and setting
> -the maximum packet size appropriately.
> +The maximum packet size for QUIC is the maximum size of the entire = UDP payload,
> +including the public header, encrypted payload, and any authenticat= ion fields.
> +All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the path's MTU t= o avoid IP
> +fragmentation. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints MAY use = Path MTU
> +Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) or Packetization Layer Path = MTU
> +Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) for detecting the path's MTU, setting = the maximum
> +packet size appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU<= br> > +determinations. In the absence of these mechanisms, the recommended= default
> +maximum packet size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4.=
> +
> +All handshake packets MUST include a PADDING frame if necessary to = bring the
>
> I'd consider retransmission of an initial packet to be equivalen= t to
> starting over. I'm concerned that we're going to affect the = multi-packet
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(1) seems simpler, but (3) seems both correct and reasonable as well.

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Fixing the version to be always present would IMO tend to reduce the tendency for ossification, by allowing stateless handling of QUIC version on the path. Well-chosen version numbers that always appear at the same point in the packet have the added advantage of fixing #147. Fixing the connection ID on all packets seems to make less sense. However, if the connection ID is to be used as a hard-to-guess value to confirm state rebinding, it does have to appear on those packets used to re-establish state along the path. > Minimal framing overhead for applications that are sensitive to it(VoIP is one) This is a good argument for having a header that can get very small (and a semi-facetious side question: how small does the QUIC header have to get before the header compressors in common use decide not to bother with it?). A byte of flags and however many bytes you need to represent packet numbers would seem to be the minimum here ( unless you want to do tricks like defining 4 flag bits and an unsigned28 packet number). And as noted, you can only get down to 3 or 5 byte headers in this case. Is the 2 bytes per packet of overhead worth an extra flags bit and varlen complexity? > Future proofing QUIC for another 20+ years > > 1 byte packet numbers aren't hugely useful, but 2 byte ones are very common. And as much as it > seems insane to have packet numbers larger than 4 bytes, I fear we'd want it later. I'm not sure I buy flows with more than four billion packets in the reorder window, even twenty years from now. But nobody will ever need more than 640k, either, so let's assume 64 bit packet numbers are useful. I'd argue the right way to do this is to have a version mechanism that'll actually get used, and to make those packet numbers a feature of a future version. One way to do this, if one is prepared to have version numbers on all (or at least most) packets, would be to have the version number reflect a *packet* version/variant as well as a protocol version: (most of the) higher order bits designate protocol versions, with (a small number of) lower order bits to be used by that protocol version for the different variants of packets they use. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/148#issuecomment-272954623 ----==_mimepart_587d2c2d82908_2f1f3ffd56a451301158a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

a couple of replies...

I'm not sure that fixing the connection ID and version to be present at = all times makes sense.

Fixing the version to be always present would IMO tend to reduce the ten= dency for ossification, by allowing stateless handling of QUIC version on t= he path. Well-chosen version numbers that always appear at the same point i= n the packet have the added advantage of fixing #147.

Fixing the connection ID on all packets seems to make less sense. Howeve= r, if the connection ID is to be used as a hard-to-guess value to confirm s= tate rebinding, it does have to appear on those packets used to re-establis= h state along the path.

Minimal framing overhead for applications that are sensitive to it(VoIP = is one)

This is a good argument for having a header that can get very small (and= a semi-facetious side question: how small does the QUIC header have to get= before the header compressors in common use decide not to bother with it?)= . A byte of flags and however many bytes you need to represent packet numbe= rs would seem to be the minimum here ( unless you want to do tricks like de= fining 4 flag bits and an unsigned28 packet number). And as noted, you can = only get down to 3 or 5 byte headers in this case. Is the 2 bytes per packe= t of overhead worth an extra flags bit and varlen complexity?

Future proofing QUIC for another 20+ years

1 byte packet numbers aren't hugely useful, but 2 byte ones are very com= mon. And as much as it
seems insane to have packet numbers larger than 4 bytes, I fear we'd want i= t later.

I'm not sure I buy flows with more than four billion packets in the reor= der window, even twenty years from now. But nobody will ever need more than= 640k, either, so let's assume 64 bit packet numbers are useful.

I'd argue the right way to do this is to have a version mechanism that'l= l actually get used, and to make those packet numbers a feature of a future= version. One way to do this, if one is prepared to have version numbers on= all (or at least most) packets, would be to have the version number reflec= t a packet version/variant as well as a protocol version: (most of= the) higher order bits designate protocol versions, with (a small number o= f) lower order bits to be used by that protocol version for the different v= ariants of packets they use.

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= ----==_mimepart_587d2c2d82908_2f1f3ffd56a451301158a-- From nobody Mon Jan 16 13:37:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE5361294B1 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 13:37:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.037 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.037 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bZOxKN3omhUR for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 13:36:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D77B1294A5 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 13:36:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=vnYuXwARb0FapLCEPeomyD71608=; b=siZ4AT0g6iqA+eDv SKo/2T/OKCqG29vIjhT0d++4nbxXAIrCOuxatuS+fsBnm3Ar7M0axwkIiufJ71mK 28TgkngHnxWutDDBHqjuwvcbK00URePqw6ifXFdpQJpJ4Peat6ddEof4+CH1Yalu UWzAawPYyVH2vj/Yh5JSpoOWlqE= Received: by filter0690p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0690p1mdw1-494-587D3CFA-27 2017-01-16 21:36:58.398990259 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id MDeAnIZFQGmrXSVw1iuTMw for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 21:36:58.423 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 13:36:58 -0800 From: Mike Bishop To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Core protocol doc missing RST_STREAM frame error codes (#19) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587d3cfa48243_8ccd3fe4fce511385263c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2HBqwzgWfcqOd63nL1bcqiBjbLlYcL3VRzp+ HZaTixhuWnEao9IILHVYEAfMCPc/awWNeDBTelcF4k+0JhX9ac2LeQfUhBUrHgIU+PATBXa6CXhwTJ AZ3bZd7GgL1ydv1TtfkQnxDIIp4Pz6FvQpN7djv2iKQ0gwSR5OlMwGKkhqHbcn14o2U/JigecFt4jL U= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 21:37:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587d3cfa48243_8ccd3fe4fce511385263c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Several of those are HTTP error codes, not QUIC (transport). Tagging to ma= ke sure I add them to the HTTP draft. Others look like they're host-local = codes (I.e.=C2=A0you don't send RST_STREAM in response to a CONNECTION_CLOS= E). --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/19#issuecomment-272967612= ----==_mimepart_587d3cfa48243_8ccd3fe4fce511385263c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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That opens an attack where the attacker establishes a connection, then starts spoofing source address. If the server starts to send to that source address without verifying that the client can receive packets, that's potentially a powerful packet amplification attack. It's not sufficient to look for ACKs or other such things, because no client message includes proof that the client has actually received a packet from the server. A client can just generate ACK and WINDOW_UPDATE frames as necessary, even new requests. The only risk a client runs is that it overestimates the number of packets that the server has sent and sends too many spurious ACK frames, which the server will then recognize and react to. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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When a client changes IP addresses (for any reason, including NAT rebinding), the server has no way of gaining an assurance that the client has actually seen its packets. That opens an attack where the attacker establishes a connection, then starts spoofing source address. If the server starts to send to that source address without verifying that the client can receive packets, that's potentially a powerful packet amplification attack.

It's not sufficient to look for ACKs or other such things, because no client message includes proof that the client has actually received a packet from the server. A client can just generate ACK and WINDOW_UPDATE frames as necessary, even new requests. The only risk a client runs is that it overestimates the number of packets that the server has sent and sends too many spurious ACK frames, which the server will then recognize and react to.

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----==_mimepart_587d6cd236514_67ab3fcc357d51404641f-- From nobody Mon Jan 16 17:01:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FDA4128B38 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 17:01:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.219 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.219 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YeQguau7T25Z for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 17:01:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 247CA12988F for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 17:01:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=BegNWv0LXu+4gBvUL1k1MiRwQC8=; b=C9U5+bBs6a0ZBEjq ZUmOahrtaFH4+tpFQMkDoFXp9r+90UHpdjsXnS4paXhh21xopiwUVAqkZoMB7zwH ttZjOSzoUspw1HjpTPxcozq9rW9NpiFYJSJsth5yZd2CWvFoHMELNcThBbYTYCx6 hFMRQ4DVPa6s1UU4915uJWqlS8M= Received: by filter0492p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0492p1mdw1-4406-587D6CEE-3D 2017-01-17 01:01:34.679954704 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id hmud5d5VRn-DE7TQZ8CRAg for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 01:01:34.573 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 17:01:34 -0800 From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Source address token (#120) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587d6cee7834f_54823fb852a451382423a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak33Bm7rDTRjRV1hfyF6gNhhBGLUVmqwRWPyTW es0biILKkfMBjTzoBXNf90cnifGwIfQTmmZeKYnvW8YEKC1NsAvFapDwqxsAYQLUx6TuDXxXfySfwR 9PTS7t6LJt94H4KRCxD7w/0XoyfZuF31145zQuQep8kpvZDGAei9+MlCfp6VAAm0bv9pi4iOLxAxlU c= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 01:01:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587d6cee7834f_54823fb852a451382423a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe. Whether the server insists on verifying an address will depend on the server. Since the primary concern seems to be packet reflection, the server might be OK with clamping its send rate after seeing a change in the remote address. What this does NOT provide is the ability for the server to insist on the client proving that it has seen packets at the new address. That's a problem because QUIC doesn't include any innate proof of possession mechanism. A client can pretend to have seen packets by generating an ACK, but it can't prove to have received them. I've opened #161 to track this. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/120#issuecomment-272995622 ----==_mimepart_587d6cee7834f_54823fb852a451382423a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Maybe. Whether the server insists on verifying an address will depend o= n the server. Since the primary concern seems to be packet reflection, the= server might be OK with clamping its send rate after seeing a change in th= e remote address.

What this does NOT provide is the ability for the server to insist on th= e client proving that it has seen packets at the new address. That's a pro= blem because QUIC doesn't include any innate proof of possession mechanism.= A client can pretend to have seen packets by generating an ACK, but it ca= n't prove to have received them.

I've opened #161 t= o track this.

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= ----==_mimepart_587d6cee7834f_54823fb852a451382423a-- From nobody Mon Jan 16 17:14:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4A08128B38 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 17:14:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id obsxZ6MYMP0F for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 17:14:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 630D712994F for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 17:14:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 17:14:14 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1484615654; bh=3ZpFQgUHL1nX+SjIIkNWXQN1w6rbTDPHKJpD4vRWous=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Ah+qGb1vBSZNCIrwRCmh5gZhcE+hbO64jIB6oj00A8ngz8epV0QPuy9JLb9iwUzp2 WCmnhfCC8T64rQZMYe1u59hBrGJzbzHX49jHF6EMrXr72ModFSs1dBvxpttVE/01pY b85malVPCnEXuNLRNtYjEx4q2wTodmPHVwYkneQ4= From: Marten Seemann To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Address change and consent to send (#161) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587d6fe6b1d49_172d3ff7771b1134520741"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 01:14:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587d6fe6b1d49_172d3ff7771b1134520741 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This would be the equivalent of an Optimistic ACK attack, after completing the crypto handshake. If the server randomly skips packet numbers, the server will notice the attack **eventually** and close the connection. The question is, will that happen soon enough to make this attack unpractical. In quic-go, we randomly skip one packet out of 500, so just ACKing random packets would make the server send about 800 kB of data before noticing the attack. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/161#issuecomment-272997099 ----==_mimepart_587d6fe6b1d49_172d3ff7771b1134520741 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This would be the equivalent of an Optimistic ACK attack, after comple= ting the crypto handshake. If the server randomly skips packet numbers, t= he server will notice the attack eventually and close th= e connection.
The question is, will that happen soon enough to make this attack unpract= ical. In quic-go, we randomly skip one packet out of 500, so just ACKing = random packets would make the server send about 800 kB of data before not= icing the attack.

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RST_STREAM kills a stream, but what impact does it have on connection flow control? Or are we required to account for data in STREAM frames even if they are discarded?

The problem here is that data on reset streams is not re-sent, therefore peers get a very different view about what data has been sent. The receiver of RST_STREAM has no way to manage connection-level flow control for the packets that it has sent. Packets that it sends before receiving the RST_STREAM might be lost and therefore they might or might not have been counted by the other side.

At best, this results in an overly pessimistic view of the connection-level flow control window. Though it could end up freezing the connection if there are lots of RST_STREAM use with concurrent packet loss.

The sender of RST_STREAM can signal the offset of the last octet and thereby ensure that their data is accounted for. (Separately, we need policing for this value: if it indicates that a flow control window was exceeded, we should treat it as such, even if the frames that it mentions were never sent: opened #162.)

A potential fix: require RST_STREAM in both directions. A more drastic fix: make streams unidirectional.

Related to the issue @marten-seemann originally mentioned in #145.

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----==_mimepart_587d71a6d27a7_6b693fef53bc113c55514c-- From nobody Mon Jan 16 17:27:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB7F129952 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 17:27:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.752 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.752 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PnTT2qsWuCCq for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 17:27:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext5.iad.github.net [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8009128B38 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 17:27:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 17:27:45 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1484616465; bh=91JzM1HXT43nqGEyUDL9OgaJ4tgWjjJvWdmPNRLxFCA=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=oQqdRnGvVNljvQzdN478wgOgG8tyWHkBj06iuJ8P2oI2tM+qN/tDGDhrhh4vaSXJv 99JE/QM50GtWTGW2t6oFonQyXVJmsd2kWa2BqikEyW4U9hov3ok+FhIcbW+nRDjBd5 1S+eJY1Qr2gg40FDqLuS1cCZgc/7IfmHJGYueq+g= From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Address change and consent to send (#161) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587d73118480_76bd3f8293b891383906dd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 01:27:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587d73118480_76bd3f8293b891383906dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Packet skipping would seem to be a possible answer, though the client only needs to ack a few packets to keep things moving along. If it is eventually unlucky enough to hit a skipped packet the attack ends. I'd need to do the math, but 800k sounds right for an expected value, which is pretty high when you compare it to the cost of a handshake (around 1400 octets and some crypto for clients). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/161#issuecomment-272998697 ----==_mimepart_587d73118480_76bd3f8293b891383906dd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Packet skipping would seem to be a possible answer, though the client = only needs to ack a few packets to keep things moving along. If it is ev= entually unlucky enough to hit a skipped packet the attack ends. I'd nee= d to do the math, but 800k sounds right for an expected value, which is p= retty high when you compare it to the cost of a handshake (around 1400 oc= tets and some crypto for clients).

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= ----==_mimepart_587d73118480_76bd3f8293b891383906dd-- From nobody Mon Jan 16 17:37:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09EAC1294F0 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 17:37:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.355 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.355 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JMSWKOH88tYs for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 17:37:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB7E41289B0 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 17:37:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=tarUZamOEon1eOWG5+GCm6uvuyc=; b=YkwTBD6IHD8ta3qm gJna4Lze+OE2a93DxyIHaNtIKsULrAAhGDYy3F+2f2VjLVdc5uW+EKlD2o+YIj5W 66YCzefxldzZLxRo2qpyR2zMDflYOkOTgpQSoNmB7WXZFn9RP6xG31mVKNpeghDG ls7iYcLHgAxDZ9gbTmDUg2Lrysw= Received: by filter0660p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0660p1mdw1-8974-587D752D-48 2017-01-17 01:36:45.371040113 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id wIQyWnr3TWmtbwbryLIxUA for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 01:36:45.185 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 17:36:45 -0800 From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Do retransmissions of STREAM frames need special prioritization rules (#114) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587d752d1b2e7_5edf3f8293b891384138ae"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3oKx/HBpdEIKnwB7JUCQTH9W8m0BCi0OzkAL uBFEamfjG12/l7VtdKqZeLWOcSK+lbVkSuDFg/E4OFr7AFW6wRKt2X8/TGy0BjurgtI3hQgJww47Fx jFjmMvAGgA9ld/UIyZz/r1g/5vnFH9cccQppAZyFgla/IE4usC+0P+CgOkR+gdwYf5xx8woPZ5NPW3 Y= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 01:37:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587d752d1b2e7_5edf3f8293b891384138ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think that we have to wait for the prioritization discussion to conclude. QUIC can certainly be priority-aware even if it doesn't innately provide the messages that set priority. I think that @marten-seemann is right to observe that retransmitting data is potentially more valuable than sending new ones. But only if you are ignorant of priority. Repairing a gap could end up freeing a large amount of data, which could be a great return on investment. In an extreme example, retransmit a lost 10 octets and the receiver can now play out a megabyte of HoL-blocked data. On the other hand, if the other side didn't want that data because that stream was dependent on a higher priority stream, it's still wasted effort. For a concrete example, imagine that you are streaming video and two streams have consecutive chunks. If there is a backend issue that delays the first chunk, you still want to send the second. However, if a piece of the second goes missing while the backend is catching up, you have a choice between repairing chunk 2 or sending chunk 1. You don't want to repair chunk 2 *unless* the flow control credit it releases is critical (it might be). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/114#issuecomment-272999753 ----==_mimepart_587d752d1b2e7_5edf3f8293b891384138ae Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't think that we have to wait for the prioritization discussion to = conclude. QUIC can certainly be priority-aware even if it doesn't innately= provide the messages that set priority.

I think that @marten-seemann is right to observe that retransmitting data = is potentially more valuable than sending new ones. But only if you are ig= norant of priority. Repairing a gap could end up freeing a large amount of= data, which could be a great return on investment. In an extreme example,= retransmit a lost 10 octets and the receiver can now play out a megabyte o= f HoL-blocked data.

On the other hand, if the other side didn't want that data because that = stream was dependent on a higher priority stream, it's still wasted effort.= For a concrete example, imagine that you are streaming video and two stre= ams have consecutive chunks. If there is a backend issue that delays the f= irst chunk, you still want to send the second. However, if a piece of the = second goes missing while the backend is catching up, you have a choice bet= ween repairing chunk 2 or sending chunk 1. You don't want to repair chunk = 2 unless the flow control credit it releases is critical (it might= be).

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Can't implementations also avoid providing timing for packets that hav= e large processing delays? If that means that there are no processing de= lays reported, that's probably OK too. Though RTT measurements will then= be 65ms+ out of whack, it might be better than sending a useless value.<= /p>

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@ma= rten-seemann, Can't you just have the inbound buffer (up to the flow co= ntrol credit in size) with all the pieces that have been received in place,= then you compare the incoming frame (up to MTU-some in size) with the corr= esponding pieces that you have? The nasty cost here is that every octet ha= s 257 values: the 256 values of an octet you have and the octet you don't h= ave. Storing that efficiently will be the only challenge, especially if yo= u have lots of small non-contiguous ranges.

I don't think that we can account for non-contiguous ranges in the flow = control accounting. Well, much. You could insist that STREAM data be prov= ided in N-bit blocks.

As @iansw= ett points out and I think we've agreed, not everyone will be required = to do that check. Not everyone can do the check (at least efficiently). So= me could just overwrite, others could just repair the gaps.

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Yes, this didn't get migrated. It was intentional. Given that no one noticed, I have to wonder whether it was needed. Open an issue if you care.

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Can we split the discussion about padding handshake packets from this change? That would let us merge this and allow discussion to continue.

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@martinduke raised this in #106. What should we say about the size of handshake packets.

  1. All handshake packets to be padded to maximum size.
  2. Pad at least one packet per handshake (in each direction) that is successfully acknowledged
  3. More specifically, the first client packet (CHLO) and retransmissions, and last server packet [SHLO] and retransmissions. In many cases this will be the same as #2, but is a bit more prescriptive.

I think that we have agreed that the first packet from the client will be at most one packet. The question is for the server where to pad.

I believe that option 3 and option 1 amount to the same thing. Option 2 looks a bit like option 4 (pad the first packet).

This relates to (and may subsume) #38.

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----==_mimepart_587d7cb2b3520_11cb3fd8c032f130982ee-- From nobody Mon Jan 16 18:37:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E0F129411 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 18:37:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.156 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.156 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wgl3VpqkHX5D for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 18:37:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext4.iad.github.net [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9135127071 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 18:37:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 18:37:47 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1484620667; bh=Oz95wUJqT+eqAHvQjkFZg2dDLMzVEE/2BzZNSzcMoeo=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=pSjkqbX/E7abbZBRj8IlH9cJPKNACw1Y5nhlnprOx3KC1E1TtWtOmweyPmIAiuoCc krRMKZ8gZhObE0oBOaQQc2lxfvhcUx7HchNsehnAfYK0Y1O8sZnC+REeiVoyo29yA7 r4xXlFPZP2AVJu6FqbZWjGSmHpXWhYCtskMOq1L4= From: Marten Seemann To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] STREAM frame boundaries (#146) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587d837b11b_3e353f9b74cf11345548f0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 02:37:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587d837b11b_3e353f9b74cf11345548f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson: All my DoS considerations don't apply to the average case (where you only have a few non-contiguous range), they're only relevant for the worst case (tens of thousands of non-contiguous range). But the worst case is exactly what an attacker will hit us with. As you mention, we need an additional bit per byte to store if we already received that particular byte. Since caching STREAM frames is probably the biggest RAM requirement of a QUIC implementation, as an implementor I'd choose to not increase that by a factor of 1/8. I'm not sure I understand your point about flow control. The only thing that matters for a receiver is the highest offset of data contained in a STREAM frame (both for checking for flow control violations and for making adjustments to the connection-level flow control credit). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/146#issuecomment-273007357 ----==_mimepart_587d837b11b_3e353f9b74cf11345548f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@m= artinthomson: All my DoS considerations don't apply to the average ca= se (where you only have a few non-contiguous range), they're only relevan= t for the worst case (tens of thousands of non-contiguous range). But the= worst case is exactly what an attacker will hit us with.
As you mention, we need an additional bit per byte to store if we already= received that particular byte. Since caching STREAM frames is probably t= he biggest RAM requirement of a QUIC implementation, as an implementor I'= d choose to not increase that by a factor of 1/8.

I'm not sure I understand your point about flow control. The only thin= g that matters for a receiver is the highest offset of data contained in = a STREAM frame (both for checking for flow control violations and for mak= ing adjustments to the connection-level flow control credit).

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= ----==_mimepart_587d837b11b_3e353f9b74cf11345548f0-- From nobody Mon Jan 16 18:59:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4462C129675 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 18:59:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.354 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.354 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cnb0HWG8XLck for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 18:59:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA5F3129695 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 18:59:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=gbp2uA8rizneADL/ZgAUDlA7Teg=; b=KX98sCTBBKOJMAuV zisf2DO/U4lN6YQCHHHl5kKCg2VlhXXqfTvAc75UrRcm7dHomWSDE9f83ax8UYSg nFFLxBYLnHpioNmJ9H1HkUc+hI7mB0HzQzRp3njaF36vEGVkbRVPn1RiwQrRQtbn /Mkr2il1Qu0pu1mW8dBSJemjSbY= Received: by filter0970p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0970p1mdw1-31297-587D8875-14 2017-01-17 02:59:01.428970685 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id cY6n37EJSoy45B2rdBXxSw for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 02:59:01.354 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 18:59:01 -0800 From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Reducing the complexity of the QUIC packet header (#148) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587d8875423af_61523f8293b89138328293"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0sPnsooCfDtIWe16BCc5xv36fcof6TUNyaUG GdIkTiyuWxdL8t7WTJs6E4JNdHTKZ+F9WtOMMFNeUXHuOzqZXx9a4XtZ4R8FVetUO0zD0DVmHP3+mA i/2hUtDT7T9sxBbpRIfB/uHrDXwOTDbXowcTiFrY31QPSxYDOzVhx1sObkBpLiqNTXK/9VkgYxJg4e Y= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 02:59:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587d8875423af_61523f8293b89138328293 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would have thought that signaling version in every packet, aside from being grossly inefficient (yes, people complain about every octet still), would encourage more ossification. Let QUIC version N through and block everything else is a very predictable response. That leads to everyone using QUIC version N. As for sizes on things, I can see cases for packet numbers of 2 and 4 octets, and think that defining a new version is the rational response to a need for more. It's probably the 640k thing all over, but even though I can't see far enough into the future to see that being a mistake, I can see as far as a new version (even if that turns out to be the problem that triggers the creation of a new version). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/148#issuecomment-273010085 ----==_mimepart_587d8875423af_61523f8293b89138328293 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I would have thought that signaling version in every packet, aside from = being grossly inefficient (yes, people complain about every octet still), w= ould encourage more ossification. Let QUIC version N through and block eve= rything else is a very predictable response. That leads to everyone using = QUIC version N.

As for sizes on things, I can see cases for packet numbers of 2 and 4 oc= tets, and think that defining a new version is the rational response to a n= eed for more. It's probably the 640k thing all over, but even though I can= 't see far enough into the future to see that being a mistake, I can see as= far as a new version (even if that turns out to be the problem that trigge= rs the creation of a new version).

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= ----==_mimepart_587d8875423af_61523f8293b89138328293-- From nobody Mon Jan 16 19:07:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B5F12994F for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 19:07:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.655 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.655 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2es_Ds8TAS9W for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 19:07:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1FC112997E for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 19:07:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 19:07:23 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1484622443; bh=o03FFkvIhG7gWU9KG0b+LSPQwJb1keazno1vIwJmvjI=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=o15WA8r/6b/Kbbr3D57pRSOWTvBwCqpYM1pkQvFjqi7mefMG3y+ib69wN9MPXeWRN 5c21RFHtzRebLzxxhog6icsuLdh2b26ebS9E3QR1OcF0kxV15UZrZbAzT93/7vbA0F PII1qlzygEN8/1csgiLZHB/HgHaha5fenreqfhY0= From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] STREAM frame boundaries (#146) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587d8a6b3f7d0_74ad3fcc357d51406482e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 03:07:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587d8a6b3f7d0_74ad3fcc357d51406482e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's not a bit per byte, it's much less. Though it's probably one way to store it that balances storage and the potential for storage blow-out. Not sure where you got the 1/8 from. My point was that if we reduce the granularity that a sender can fragment on from per-byte to per-many-bytes, then that 1-bit-per-byte overhead is reduced proportionally. A change like that could propagate to flow control: because you account on a block basis rather than a byte basis, so you can only move the offset in whole multiples of blocks. The same goes for the offset field in the STREAM frame. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/146#issuecomment-273011039 ----==_mimepart_587d8a6b3f7d0_74ad3fcc357d51406482e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It's not a bit per byte, it's much less. Though it's probably one way= to store it that balances storage and the potential for storage blow-out= .

Not sure where you got the 1/8 from. My point was that if we reduce t= he granularity that a sender can fragment on from per-byte to per-many-by= tes, then that 1-bit-per-byte overhead is reduced proportionally. A chan= ge like that could propagate to flow control: because you account on a bl= ock basis rather than a byte basis, so you can only move the offset in wh= ole multiples of blocks. The same goes for the offset field in the STREA= M frame.

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I spent a lot of time thinking about this, and realized that my changes in that PR were insufficient to address the problem. I think there are multiple issues in the stream state machinery. ## Two common scenarios I will describe two scenarios where RST_STREAMs will be used regularly when using HTTP/QUIC. ### Rejected PUSH The sender (in this case a HTTP server) uses HTTP/2 Push to push a resource that the receiver isn't interested in. The receiver therefore sends a RST_STREAM with offset 0 (since it didn't send any data on that stream) to stop the sender from pushing the resource. When the sender receives the RST_STREAM, there are two options: - the transfer hasn't completed yet: The sender then stops sending data and sends a RST_STREAM with a byte offset equal to whatever highest data offset it sent. RST_STREAMs are transmitted reliably, so both sides will *eventually* receive the other side's RST_STREAM and make adjustments to their flow controller. There is no problem here. - the transfer has already completed (i.e. the sender already sent a STREAM frame with the FIN bit): According to the draft, STREAM frames on reset streams are not retransmitted. If the STREAM frame with the FIN gets lost, and the sender will never be able to make the necessary adjustments to its flow controller. (I'm not sure, but maybe this is what #163 is about). A fix for this problem is to **always** send a RST_STREAM as a response to a RST_STREAM, even if the stream already transitioned to the *half closed* state by sending a FIN bit. ### POST to a 404 URI The second example is more involved, since it involves data flowing bidirectionaly (note that for the PUSH case, the receiver never sent any data on the stream): The sender (in this case a HTTP client) performs a POST request to an URI that the receiver is not reading from, e.g. a non-existing site (HTTP status code 404). The receiver will first send the HTTP response header, and then the (non-empty) 404 body. It will send send a RST_STREAM with a offset equivalent to the body length, to stop the sender, to stop it from sending more data. On the sender side, we have the same situation as in the PUSH case, but let's assume we already resolved that issue. There are two more issues here: - We must ensure reliable delivery of the response body (the 404 page). Thus, although the stream was reset, STREAM frames need to be retransmitted. - The receiver can only send the RST_STREAM **after** composing the response body (since the final byte offset has to be included). However, it would make sense to send the RST_STREAM as soon as possible, to stop the unwanted upload. The first issue could be fixed by requiring that the peer that is resetting a stream MUST ensure reliable delivery of stream data it sent, whereas a peer that is receiving the RST_STREAM SHOULD NOT retransmit any stream data. The second issue could be fixed by defining a RST_STREAM frame that doesn't include a byte offset (or introducing an RST error code that indicates that the byte offset is not set). The receiver in the above example would send this RST_STREAM before sending the 404 body. Since stream data is transmitted reliably, the sender would eventually receive a highest byte offset with a STREAM frame carrying the FIN flag. ## Open points for discussion Do the three changes capture all possible use cases of resetting streams. Or do we need * a way to reset a stream such that the peer initiating the reset doesn't ensure the reliable transmission of the data it already sent * a way to reset a stream such that the peer receiving the RST has to ensure the reliable transmission up to a certain (which?) offset -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I'm writing this issue because there was some discussion about a change I made in #145, that seemed to be controversial. I spent a lot of time thinking about this, and realized that my changes in that PR were insufficient to address the problem. I think there are multiple issues in the stream state machinery.

Two common scenarios

I will describe two scenarios where RST_STREAMs will be used regularly when using HTTP/QUIC.

Rejected PUSH

The sender (in this case a HTTP server) uses HTTP/2 Push to push a resource that the receiver isn't interested in. The receiver therefore sends a RST_STREAM with offset 0 (since it didn't send any data on that stream) to stop the sender from pushing the resource.

When the sender receives the RST_STREAM, there are two options:

  • the transfer hasn't completed yet: The sender then stops sending data and sends a RST_STREAM with a byte offset equal to whatever highest data offset it sent. RST_STREAMs are transmitted reliably, so both sides will eventually receive the other side's RST_STREAM and make adjustments to their flow controller. There is no problem here.
  • the transfer has already completed (i.e. the sender already sent a STREAM frame with the FIN bit): According to the draft, STREAM frames on reset streams are not retransmitted. If the STREAM frame with the FIN gets lost, and the sender will never be able to make the necessary adjustments to its flow controller. (I'm not sure, but maybe this is what #163 is about).

A fix for this problem is to always send a RST_STREAM as a response to a RST_STREAM, even if the stream already transitioned to the half closed state by sending a FIN bit.

POST to a 404 URI

The second example is more involved, since it involves data flowing bidirectionaly (note that for the PUSH case, the receiver never sent any data on the stream):

The sender (in this case a HTTP client) performs a POST request to an URI that the receiver is not reading from, e.g. a non-existing site (HTTP status code 404). The receiver will first send the HTTP response header, and then the (non-empty) 404 body. It will send send a RST_STREAM with a offset equivalent to the body length, to stop the sender, to stop it from sending more data.

On the sender side, we have the same situation as in the PUSH case, but let's assume we already resolved that issue.

There are two more issues here:

  • We must ensure reliable delivery of the response body (the 404 page). Thus, although the stream was reset, STREAM frames need to be retransmitted.
  • The receiver can only send the RST_STREAM after composing the response body (since the final byte offset has to be included). However, it would make sense to send the RST_STREAM as soon as possible, to stop the unwanted upload.

The first issue could be fixed by requiring that the peer that is resetting a stream MUST ensure reliable delivery of stream data it sent, whereas a peer that is receiving the RST_STREAM SHOULD NOT retransmit any stream data.

The second issue could be fixed by defining a RST_STREAM frame that doesn't include a byte offset (or introducing an RST error code that indicates that the byte offset is not set). The receiver in the above example would send this RST_STREAM before sending the 404 body. Since stream data is transmitted reliably, the sender would eventually receive a highest byte offset with a STREAM frame carrying the FIN flag.

Open points for discussion

Do the three changes capture all possible use cases of resetting streams. Or do we need

  • a way to reset a stream such that the peer initiating the reset doesn't ensure the reliable transmission of the data it already sent
  • a way to reset a stream such that the peer receiving the RST has to ensure the reliable transmission up to a certain (which?) offset

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This interaction pattern (or any interaction pattern in its place in ter= ms of observable packer properties) can (i.e., will) be used by stateful fi= rewalls to recognize QUIC session establishment. If this is the case, it ma= y be useful to note that an established flow that detects it has lost its c= onnection due to state drop or timeout can simulate the pattern to "re-hand= shake", without losing any end-to-end (crypto, stream) state.

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I think 65ms is at least an order of magnitude too short. We don't know where people will want to use QUIC in the future.

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I would have thought that signaling version in every packet, aside from = being grossly inefficient (yes, people complain about every octet still), w= ould encourage more ossification.

packet-size-matters vs. packet-size-doesn't-matter (rephrased as bytes-c= ongest vs. packets-congest) might be TSV's official vi vs. emacs fight. so = if we want to have it let's open another issue for it. :)

The problem here is, without a crystal ball, both "versioning leads to o= ssification" and "versioning prevents ossification" have believable element= s. It depends in large part whether the people making the devices that lead= to ossification treat the version number as something that will change, or= as something that is labeled as "version" but really means "magic".

Adding an option for u16 packet numbers saves 2 octets per packet compar= ed to u32 packet numbers, but adds the complexity of variable field offsets= . u16 packet numbers are probably fine for most situations today -- even sh= aving a bit for wrap-around detection, both the receiver and passive observ= ers will have an accurate view of what's happening as long as all your reor= dering gaps are less than 32ki packets. So I think I'm more sold on the ide= a of 2-octet packet numbers than I am on the idea of 2-or-4 octet packet nu= mbers.

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----==_mimepart_587dee60c15d2_3b8c3fba5751d140285685-- From nobody Tue Jan 17 02:28:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5213129599 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 02:28:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.355 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.355 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tjDbXJ47YxqR for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 02:28:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75CFD12945F for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 02:28:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=kEtkPj0ME3SOQKQosYSFibRfJnM=; b=ti9hxZaF/O1SN3o4 Jl1KSzmSmyqNeZZFsZAh2o6otbqVkjWBYSW0u74avWAIqmLHh/JM5VUjToBxYd9G nKlqcWqtHGBUTp4B/WCYnXxLkwusCX+wkr+CAh5pmwLyP01fQHtHDizB6k+syrdY Sudk7buzG6dVnnG+FOhdEUFCkpk= Received: by filter0926p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0926p1mdw1-4560-587DF1CA-23 2017-01-17 10:28:26.352053582 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id XpGJJdrrSVCJbjQQdX_Ghw for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 10:28:26.159 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 02:28:25 -0800 From: mirjak To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Reducing the complexity of the QUIC packet header (#148) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587df1c9f2beb_4fc33fadaa32313c285496"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mirjak X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2UrjTAbaeddrcGekc2rAqHs1NRFftoSDkyjY NnDSoLsEg+Gb0reNr+uD9XF6bIR/Id3HBxTx9zTTVzZl3K1TY5F3KjJh4brh+pTR9y0NQFWMh7TePM q/G0ngUIMLZAiwMpmxFHPqyYenqaWAtWovRkZ82A0hYNkCCk4VPcUA5eeQ== Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 10:28:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587df1c9f2beb_4fc33fadaa32313c285496 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think you can have mostly the same ossification if you only have the version number on the first packet (meaning middleboxes block packets where the version bit it set and they don't like the version they see). All information that is visible at some point will be ossified. Having the version flag always only set on the first packet, will however make this packet specially and middelboxes will use this signal to identify the first packet of a connection. That's worst from my point of few because that'd be a wrong interpretation of the signal (while the interpretation that a certain version number identifies a certain version is true). Also +1 to larger packet numbers can go with a new version if we ever need them in future. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/148#issuecomment-273094442 ----==_mimepart_587df1c9f2beb_4fc33fadaa32313c285496 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think you can have mostly the same ossification if you only have the v= ersion number on the first packet (meaning middleboxes block packets where = the version bit it set and they don't like the version they see). All infor= mation that is visible at some point will be ossified. Having the version f= lag always only set on the first packet, will however make this packet spec= ially and middelboxes will use this signal to identify the first packet of = a connection. That's worst from my point of few because that'd be a wrong i= nterpretation of the signal (while the interpretation that a certain versio= n number identifies a certain version is true).

Also +1 to larger packet numbers can go with a new version if we ever ne= ed them in future.

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= ----==_mimepart_587df1c9f2beb_4fc33fadaa32313c285496-- From nobody Tue Jan 17 02:36:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4076512952C for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 02:36:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.515 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.515 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x6PkREqisqem for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 02:36:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 92626129514 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 02:36:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=nwbmY4igqtnulnfXbHRD8yNvCkA=; b=XMMLHwuQAEBAOMEO foOGO/nnUKpmQ76EIS8prSIt+e+hLGpd/iBQQEe006X7Siw50M7Nmr7zOX2tOuqN mPTDyKZ+alYkEF4nOtCsYdcXu7g/fi+RFHSI4M5PQP5jg1qmoijg4Zpe2UOZukax gSRJL+qYxQHgP1tD1AMpBksCJ5w= Received: by filter0952p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0952p1mdw1-28854-587DF38F-20 2017-01-17 10:35:59.515451572 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id FCdNpIZyRQGWtpn-tEyWTw for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 10:35:59.479 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 02:35:59 -0800 From: mirjak To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Resetting Streams (#165) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587df38f62425_5acf3fb8d3d7913428277e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mirjak X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0IJGelj29EUV+wp0E8efzo2nxABkk0Gji/3O nalZjkHFb2QxmZvwkFDQvksyEVmrZ+1Vnz4iuo+rPPKuoJ99UUJ80wEnuFw2VDe9hbosPPi6lm1sVi E2JaOuUeELblP1P97XCcERW9/8wzS1a3VI4V4WzgDxGhS4g11bXO1I06BQ== Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 10:36:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587df38f62425_5acf3fb8d3d7913428277e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To be honest I still believe you are mixing up transport and application semantics here. Why are you sending a reset in this situation and not a fin? From the transport point of view there is no problem (in both cases) all transmissions as provided by the higher layer have been successful. If you want to make sure that the other end is not sending any more data (but why should it send more data after the 404 was received), you should close the connection. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/165#issuecomment-273098593 ----==_mimepart_587df38f62425_5acf3fb8d3d7913428277e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

To be honest I still believe you are mixing up transport and application= semantics here. Why are you sending a reset in this situation and not a fi= n? From the transport point of view there is no problem (in both cases) all= transmissions as provided by the higher layer have been successful. If you= want to make sure that the other end is not sending any more data (but why= should it send more data after the 404 was received), you should close the= connection.

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Fast troubleshooting of QoS is mandatory to maintain end users high Quality of Experience;
There are my cases of troubleshooting. A typical example starts by the signaling to the ISP that its end-users are experimenting a significant decrease of QoE when using an Internet application. Typical point of failures are line cards memory errors or overloaded routers located somewhere on the path, either in the ISP domain or outside.

The ISP NOC has to localize asap the point of failure. Currently it proceeds by dichotomy (is the point of failure inside ISP domain or outside ?) using passive monitoring of packet lost and congestion.

Following is the description of the parameters in use:

  1. Packet lost downstream (vice versa for upstream):
  • Measure of packet lost before the point of measure needs TCP sequence number
  • Measure of lost after the point of measure needs TCP ACK + SACK
  1. Congestion:
  • Detects that the congestion is located either before or after the point of measure
  • Analysis based on TCP ACK+SACK observation

QUIC packets numbering should be continuous to allow packet loss monitoring. Flows control fields (ACK, SACK) are available in QUIC but encrypted.

It should be nice to use the approach of the TCPinc WG (with an integrity check mechanism) to keep visible the fields allowing fast troubleshooting of the network layer.

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QUIC originally specified a 12 byte hash for unencrypted packets. This was dropped when QUIC crypto was swapped for the TLS 1.3 mapping.

We should add it back, since it is useful in eliminating corrupted packets and random internet junk. And possibly in preventing reflection attacks mentioned in #147

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----==_mimepart_587e2a0122d11_16e3fabd2b831304120a0-- From nobody Tue Jan 17 06:37:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB6F21294B5 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 06:37:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.673 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.673 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iKvW5y23-M45 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 06:36:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6079F1294AD for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 06:36:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=jjyCIor6PMPVPB8O+7JoOUcgrCc=; b=gZziyXGZVg/G6hup ilvt8XLZdg81jaqLmSGrTcsazSnWkzvWTLSgJ9WhqhW4tsjE6gxA1Y86j7sFy+9d KckySRLhSpNB8r52ueUNB8K4nAM9Io4FCLPQPvDF5zWQ6aYEqgXxunaEnLgrPQkF 0WoyAMZs2YJJsyDriHGQq+SbCPo= Received: by filter0847p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0847p1mdw1-6211-587E2C07-25 2017-01-17 14:36:55.249549369 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 5KU5puGJTjSln5sjWFJkeg for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 14:36:55.335 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 06:36:55 -0800 From: ianswett To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Simplify time representation (#109) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587e2c0736a62_33d83f7f6d43713811245d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3uQKuK+22qOz8aMLIeuuMORvFfslmTKW4gxU LP8Z5eXQNe3WJbw6VSpaJQ8eS/61XCNFK/zSt4HKFDhqu29JAp3bO3eekZ/6GSnmURcOJMD9MP+gY4 JMrObSq6LAU3DDfKEkSN3z95FNsAoCPy02skOCj+SmuzgbSKSq1Ohq8kT7wFDeWdtcDtE//5/p2dox A= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 14:37:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587e2c0736a62_33d83f7f6d43713811245d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Agreed Lars, that's why we'd have the ability to scale the value. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/109#issuecomment-273183742 ----==_mimepart_587e2c0736a62_33d83f7f6d43713811245d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Agreed Lars, that's why we'd have the ability to scale the value.

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Sorry I was unclear: We should use a scaling default that results in a sensible range.

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I'd propose we require a scale factor as part of the handshake, so we = ensure this is well exercised, then we don't need to worry too much about= whether we've chosen a good default.

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In the case of port or IP address change, skipping a larger number of packets makes it much harder to guess.

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I believe Marten is concerned about the overhead to track what's in th= e contiguous buffers, not the storage of buffered data itself.

If the extra amount of memory is limited to a small constant factor on= top of the actual storage, is this a DDoS we're concerned about? Sendin= g small stream frames requires quite a bit of extra overhead already.

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@mirjak= , I half agree with you. The issue here is that, in both scenarios, one pe= er wishes to abruptly terminate the other peer's activity on a stream. The= issue that we've hit with FIN is that it implies a completed message, and = in both these scenarios the point is that there isn't a completed = message. We could do this at the app layer by introducing an EOM marker pl= us an app-layer RST command that tells the peer to abruptly stop sending, b= ut.... why? (Also, that usually hasn't worked well in TCP, where the clien= t isn't reading from the receive buffer while they're dumping the message b= ody into the send buffer. By the time they see the "stop sending" message,= it's already been handed to the transport and can't be revoked without a R= ST.) Unfortunately, RST_STREAM is currently defined to abruptly terminate = all activity on a stream, which isn't what the application needs i= n this case.

Maybe the simplest solution is to add e.g. a MIC_DROP bit to STREAM that= means "FIN my side, RST yours"? Then RST_STREAM can be reserved for actua= l errors.

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This would directly contradict the existing suggestion to intentionally skip packet numbers in order to detect spoofed ACKs.

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Option 2 is *not *the same as padding the first packet on the serverside, as it's the difference between potentially padding a REJ instead of a SHLO (forgive the legacy-QUIC terms). So the pros and cons, in my opinion, are as follows: (1) is very simple but wasteful, and would increase server load during DoS. (2) is relatively complicated to verify compliance (implementers could easily make a mistake where they "assume" there is another handshake message to come and then there isn't), but it is the most agnostic to the handshake form (3) Is very prescriptive, and preserves one main objective (maximize initial load on the client, minimize initial load on the server). But it can lead to perverse results, where (for instance) the server has already sent a full-size packet when delivering a certificate, and then is forced to send a second-full size packet using PADDING due to the requirement. On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:41 PM, Brian Trammell wrote: > This interaction pattern (or any interaction pattern in its place in terms > of observable packer properties) can (i.e., will) be used by stateful > firewalls to recognize QUIC session establishment. If this is the case, it > may be useful to note that an established flow that detects it has lost i= ts > connection due to state drop or timeout can simulate the pattern to > "re-handshake", without losing any end-to-end (crypto, stream) state. > > Having this contract be explicit is IMO useful. > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you were mentioned. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/164#issuecomment-273224503= ----==_mimepart_587e49b027944_35233fa221a7f140685655 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since the transport document should be handshake-agnostic, I think it's=
important to craft the requirement precisely rather than using inferences about what the handshake packets actually are.

Option 2 is *not *the same as padding the first packet on the serverside, as it's the difference between potentially padding a REJ instead of a S= HLO
(forgive the legacy-QUIC terms).

So the pros and cons, in my opinion, are as follows:
(1) is very simple but wasteful, and would increase server load during DoS.=
(2) is relatively complicated to verify compliance (implementers could
easily make a mistake where they "assume" there is another handsh= ake
message to come and then there isn't), but it is the most agnostic to t= he
handshake form
(3) Is very prescriptive, and preserves one main objective (maximize
initial load on the client, minimize initial load on the server). But it
can lead to perverse results, where (for instance) the server has already sent a full-size packet when delivering a certificate, and then is forced to send a second-full size packet using PADDING due to the requirement.


On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:41 PM, Brian Trammell <notifications@github.c= om>
wrote:

> This interaction pattern (or any interaction pattern in its place in t= erms
> of observable packer properties) can (i.e., will) be used by stateful<= br> > firewalls to recognize QUIC session establishment. If this is the case= , it
> may be useful to note that an established flow that detects it has los= t its
> connection due to state drop or timeout can simulate the pattern to
> "re-handshake", without losing any end-to-end (crypto, strea= m) state.
>
> Having this contract be explicit is IMO useful.
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As you said there are two possibilities here:

  1. the transport could tell the other end that it is not willing to exce= pt any (new?) data anymore on a certain stream, or
  2. you tell the other end in the application layer that it should stop s= ending and you have a local interface to the transport that tell it to dr= op all data that has not send yet and close the stream.

However, I still don't really understand the use case where 1) is actu= ally fast then 2) because there are any outstanding data that is sitting = in the transport buffer but not send yet.
Regarding the two cases above:
Push: Either you don't want any push message at all anymore. In this case= you can tell the other end at any time in the application layer that it = should not send new push messages (basically properly unsubscribe) and th= e other end will probably close the stream. Or you receive a new push mes= sage but have to fully receive and understand it to decide that you don't= want to have any push message in future; again in this case you tell the= other in the application to unsubscribe, after you have received the ful= l message.
404: In this case you also have to receive the full 404 message first and= I would not expect to receive any additional data in this case anyway, s= o you can probably just close the whole connection.

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OK, the handshake padding issue is gone from this PR. If there are no further objections, I believe the editors can merge this into the base draft.

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For reference, the text that was in the PR for #106 before being removed is as follow= s. It codifies option (2) as described at the top of this thread:

"Both the QUIC client and server MUST send at least one handshake pack= et of size
equal to the estimated PMTU, and receive an acknowledgment for that packe= t. This
could require a PADDING frame to increase the packet size. PMTU-size, IPv= 4
handshake packets SHOULD have the DF bit set."

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Lastly, I'm not sure if this is a separate issue, but I would like to se= e some language here, or in the loss recovery document, about client action= s when the first handshake message is lost. We have overloaded this loss si= gnal with multiple meanings/responses:

(1) Retransmit (due to garden-variety network loss)
(2) Change MTU and retransmit (due to MTU problems, though we might see ICM= P here?)
(3) Failover to TCP (middleboxes eating QUIC)
(4) Give up (path failure)

If I were implementing a client using these documents, I am not sure how= I would handle a CHLO loss given these conflicting imperatives. I could ac= cept having SHOULDs instead of MUSTs, but there ought to be something.

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= ----==_mimepart_587e4dee84b29_26263fbd08bf91401468c0-- From nobody Tue Jan 17 09:02:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31DF1295A9 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 09:02:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.655 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.655 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jk2jw1OEOITi for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 09:02:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BBCF612997E for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 09:02:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=QxjBDdJhQ27JZnDhDIz6uy5ifRM=; b=pGZgff5BY+pPTUnK cQZSzSOo0AOcNT525OIL/KR7t/wApPsxsnnUjAynANWVJayxqYnfQBV7agNmcAvT 70DKyvfcnTH5nBZcA5sUqq/XD5QAX+pFiuR1TajH4tP/iOPgqKMtOtaw8LRChHVE H6yRfB2ZuVASJaZazZNDpnUOmTQ= Received: by filter0569p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0569p1mdw1-5875-587E4E2E-18 2017-01-17 17:02:38.64889875 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id irhNZ8TvTqOxgl3CMLc3cw for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 17:02:38.598 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 09:02:38 -0800 From: Mike Bishop To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Resetting Streams (#165) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587e4e2e6daa4_2db03f8641a8913c3093fb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1O7p5fvUR5zpII8PDAdod12bP79mPjx1B3vO RNiD4oNx4RNh2yPeVi3jbZwUYU92/60TUjLiWbQ9qjKfc671mZM9SOgIjqCk/gIjg2Mz4rym99MtKw CKemu5aho1b2JRsrdAl22PGLNxMtw054lhCg4krLZ7FnElhrQb+N8cA2LGOxTQuXm6WV7uwO10JbEX o= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 17:02:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587e4e2e6daa4_2db03f8641a8913c3093fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But the push scenario isn't saying that I don't want *any* push messages in the future. It's saying that the other side has promised to send: - resource A on stream X - resource B on stream Y - resource C on stream Z I already have resources A and C, so I want to tell the peer not to waste its time on those. In HTTP/2, the way to do that is to RST_STREAM streams X and Z. In the 404 case, you're correct that you won't receive any additional data from the server. The issue is the reverse, data from the client: - Client sends message headers - Client begins sending (large) message body - Server sees message headers and can already generate a response without parsing the body - ...and the response is almost certainly "I don't want the body" if it can be generated at this point. - Client is still sending the message body At this point in HTTP/1.1 over TCP, the server is stuck receiving and discarding the entire message body from the client, which could be gigabytes in size. The client can't continue using the TCP connection without completing the message, but the rest of the message is irrelevant. The server can't RST the connection because that would discard its response in the client's TCP buffer upon receipt. (Same problem we're trying to avoid here.) If the client is smart enough to be reading from the socket even while it's sending, *it* could choose to RST the TCP connection and open a new one rather than sending the rest of the body; more often, it will spew useless bytes into the transport prior to reading. In HTTP/2, this is at least confined to a single stream. After sending its response, the server can RST_STREAM with NO_ERROR, telling the client to abort sending data on that stream. That works because TCP under HTTP/2 is still providing in-order and reliable delivery, so the client is guaranteed to get the response *and* the RST_STREAM in that order. In QUIC, though, a RST_STREAM can accidentally drop data that was sent before it, such as the server's response. That leaves the client with a terminated stream, but not having received the response to tell it why. We need a solution that interrupts the client, but still reliably delivers the server's data. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/165#issuecomment-273230643 ----==_mimepart_587e4e2e6daa4_2db03f8641a8913c3093fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

But the push scenario isn't saying that I don't want any push m= essages in the future. It's saying that the other side has promised to sen= d:

  • resource A on stream X
  • resource B on stream Y
  • resource C on stream Z

I already have resources A and C, so I want to tell the peer not to wast= e its time on those. In HTTP/2, the way to do that is to RST_STREAM stream= s X and Z.

In the 404 case, you're correct that you won't receive any additional da= ta from the server. The issue is the reverse, data from the client:

  • Client sends message headers
  • Client begins sending (large) message body
  • Server sees message headers and can already generate a response without= parsing the body
    • ...and the response is almost certainly "I don't want the body" if it c= an be generated at this point.
  • Client is still sending the message body

At this point in HTTP/1.1 over TCP, the server is stuck receiving and di= scarding the entire message body from the client, which could be gigabytes = in size. The client can't continue using the TCP connection without comple= ting the message, but the rest of the message is irrelevant. The server ca= n't RST the connection because that would discard its response in the clien= t's TCP buffer upon receipt. (Same problem we're trying to avoid here.) I= f the client is smart enough to be reading from the socket even while it's = sending, it could choose to RST the TCP connection and open a new = one rather than sending the rest of the body; more often, it will spew usel= ess bytes into the transport prior to reading.

In HTTP/2, this is at least confined to a single stream. After sending = its response, the server can RST_STREAM with NO_ERROR, telling the client t= o abort sending data on that stream. That works because TCP under HTTP/2 i= s still providing in-order and reliable delivery, so the client is guarante= ed to get the response and the RST_STREAM in that order.

In QUIC, though, a RST_STREAM can accidentally drop data that was sent b= efore it, such as the server's response. That leaves the client with a ter= minated stream, but not having received the response to tell it why. We ne= ed a solution that interrupts the client, but still reliably delivers the s= erver's data.

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In other words, both cases arise out of one party's ability to conclud= e a response without seeing the other party's entire message. The requir= ement is to reliably deliver the response, but minimize wasted bandwidth = on the remainder of the now-obsolete message.

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Computing the length of an ACK frame is unnecessarily complicated because there are a series of length fields the implementation has to check. These fields are themselves of variable length from the start of the frame because they are placed after ACK frame content. This amounts to a lot of traversing of memory just to just to figure out how much memory to pull to process the ACK.

A simple solution would be to move NumBlocks and NumTS to immediate after the ACK frame flags. This would have no impact on the protocol except to ease implementation.

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Sounds good to me.

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----==_mimepart_587e506613c33_642f3fdc3472513c5118af-- From nobody Tue Jan 17 09:14:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97D9012958E for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 09:14:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.038 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.038 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SQafbvNKQUyx for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 09:14:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext4.iad.github.net [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44EA612958A for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 09:14:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 09:14:08 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1484673250; bh=Rog03w1T3EXcEh/i7xwu0Jj4Kn0nBa7AlcuQiU+rOXY=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=hz+0cTg3A8wOlHm+4AqSEgN1efDiBu/EMplrWfrLsOe1ASyzbuxqc5XImcDhv+8lH f7vDN60iZTXyC9Oy6jRiM+UGmwQSds67WUgtBQ9hIiTewoFjVHmCKD7uUgEuXctwZn d0Xp5Lq1eZstduHf3X7W4YttNtU4OSh3/zrl2ujg= From: ianswett To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Codify how handshake failures are written down (#37) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587e50e0e07d5_1d473ff46844d1347983a2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 17:14:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587e50e0e07d5_1d473ff46844d1347983a2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Agreed, that should be in there. I think that belongs in the loss recovery doc. Want to a file a specific issue to fix that, since it seems somewhat orthogonal to the type of handshake failure this issue was intended to discuss. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/37#issuecomment-273233996 ----==_mimepart_587e50e0e07d5_1d473ff46844d1347983a2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Agreed, that should be in there. I think that belongs in the loss rec= overy doc. Want to a file a specific issue to fix that, since it seems s= omewhat orthogonal to the type of handshake failure this issue was intend= ed to discuss.

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= ----==_mimepart_587e50e0e07d5_1d473ff46844d1347983a2-- From nobody Tue Jan 17 09:29:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A9C129564 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 09:29:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.655 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.655 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MjfHDYuIXjpv for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 09:29:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79906120725 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 09:29:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=270SVX9wkFtbUbjXJr2Ldo2DkSk=; b=oyjlyexLzrnOQDs7 h3+J45/jWrXW10HOaY+T/2oeyEMRWuFaA8HsZuIkQxZcMO6symq22gAAHJHwGsUu EXQcp8OonuNnvFWLEjqvsOFjGxs0PK6r+tIwClb3Yr/I2H1xMN9SBHGALbAn+sMv ENHSW7umGVow8wpwZhA5YwrUB4w= Received: by filter0565p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0565p1mdw1-15799-587E5470-2B 2017-01-17 17:29:20.421544032 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 9C-gxDJESAq1i7AHaW7pbQ for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 17:29:20.370 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 09:29:20 -0800 From: mirjak To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Resetting Streams (#165) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587e547043bdd_1b0b3fbe861ad13011858c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mirjak X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak33NXKKkI9aZJh1jx6dDYa2IH3gaXw9DIq3lp JIBqO2YS62QNMuDUK7Smmwoiq4p34RVPD/BJ7W4uf0lGNy3OnNFdj9oQz0bssavfK+nHlAYx0XRaqN Y05/Y6P6tz1/QzFJ0BnZsz8hxT/UYXO4J7gqgCmX2O8r8E0Bj7EESx4jmw== Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 17:29:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587e547043bdd_1b0b3fbe861ad13011858c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay, still not sure about the push case. But I see your point for 404. Wasn't clear to me that the server could already issue a 404 response before receiving the whole GET request. I was about to agree that we need a separate "don't send any more data" signal but I still have the feeling that this is the wrong split between transport and application semantics; meaning the application should decide that it does want to send certain data anymore. Technically there is still another solution. The application/server tells the transport that it does want the data anymore and the transport can announce a receive window of zero for that stream. As soon as the client receives the 404 (or what ever message that indicates it does make sense to send anymore data), it could cancel the sending of any outstanding data on that scream (or completely close the connection). However, that also seems like a hack and has the same effect, so maybe the unidirectional reset might be better. Let me sleep about this... -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/165#issuecomment-273238284 ----==_mimepart_587e547043bdd_1b0b3fbe861ad13011858c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Okay, still not sure about the push case. But I see your point for 404. = Wasn't clear to me that the server could already issue a 404 response befor= e receiving the whole GET request.

I was about to agree that we need a separate "don't send any more data" = signal but I still have the feeling that this is the wrong split between tr= ansport and application semantics; meaning the application should decide th= at it does want to send certain data anymore.

Technically there is still another solution. The application/server tell= s the transport that it does want the data anymore and the transport can an= nounce a receive window of zero for that stream. As soon as the client rece= ives the 404 (or what ever message that indicates it does make sense to sen= d anymore data), it could cancel the sending of any outstanding data on tha= t scream (or completely close the connection).

However, that also seems like a hack and has the same effect, so maybe t= he unidirectional reset might be better. Let me sleep about this...

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Yes, I think RST_STREAM in response to a RST_STREAM is probably the best= solution here. And I think the set of error codes that are in Chrome's co= de but not in the spec includes an error code for "received RST_STREAM." I= f you receive a RST_STREAM with any error code other than that one, you MUS= T generate a RST_STREAM with that error code.

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@ianswett= Correct, that's what I was concerned about. I don't think there is a D= oS opportunity here, if one decides to allocate an additional buffer that k= eeps track of which bytes were already received. The DoS opportunity comes = from optimizing for the average case (few gaps in stream data), by using a = data structure that doesn't require a constant overhead, but only allows fo= r O(log N) lookups.

I'd like to discuss if we really need to define a CONFLICTING_STREAM_DAT= A error at all. For QUIC, the stream data is an opaque byte stream anyway, = and if the peer decides to send nonsensical data on that stream, there's no= thing that QUIC can do against that.
I can't imagine any attack on a QUIC implementation that could be achieved = by sending conflicting stream data. The only thing a CONFLICTING_STREAM_DAT= A error would actually help with is debugging an implementation that doesn'= t correctly assemble STREAM frames in retransmissions, and this seems like = a kind of bug that could easily be caught by some unit tests.

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= ----==_mimepart_587e5a99ad759_34753fd7f15771381470e-- From nobody Tue Jan 17 10:07:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA0812007C for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 10:07:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.474 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.474 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d3x5Zm5VTLWk for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 10:06:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75BAA127077 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 10:06:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 10:06:57 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1484676417; bh=6ZZT8IhQX8nLuXG/We+ziGFfmGQmYTbukndpKXvfLYw=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=WCFgVGbnQZv1S9cakM0FpXutAzI5WfDPbvm7wTkNvEDahYi7CXYKM6QFG5M7uTPCX MdO6j110ekfxZOHofraRAyJ0M+LBZojzM/W0QdWCrtAreHBh4Q8HUuSfKZEdmuNxz1 i8cseRbyFWLJpGJTz8/TrB2IYAgus4ormTXheiyU= From: emile To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Interdomain UX troubleshooting (#166) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587e5d4163043_2b6fd3f8fa62a11401098c3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: emile22 X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 18:07:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587e5d4163043_2b6fd3f8fa62a11401098c3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How can someone spoof ACKs which are integrity protected ? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/166#issuecomment-273249427 ----==_mimepart_587e5d4163043_2b6fd3f8fa62a11401098c3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

How can someone spoof ACKs which are integrity protected ?

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Good point, the only value of CONFLICTING_STREAM_DATA I can imagine is debugging correctness issues. But I don't think that's a good enough reason to include it in the transport.

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I would like to see some language in the loss recovery document about client actions when the first handshake message is lost. We have overloaded this loss signal with multiple meanings/responses:

(1) Retransmit (due to garden-variety network loss)
(2) Change MTU and retransmit (due to MTU problems, though we might see ICMP here?)
(3) Failover to TCP (middleboxes eating QUIC)
(4) Give up (path failure)

If I were implementing a client using these documents, I am not sure how I would handle a CHLO loss given these conflicting imperatives. I could accept having SHOULDs instead of MUSTs, but there ought to be something.

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Yes, I managed to convince myself in the mean time that the zero window = solution is not a good idea given that you will keep data in the buffer unn= ecessary that is waiting for a retransmit that is not needed.

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= ----==_mimepart_587e820b95615_9513f86d8985140931c7-- From nobody Tue Jan 17 13:20:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93CD012951B for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 13:20:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URI_HEX=1.122] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9nymHwlG5Hht for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 13:20:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3651B1294FC for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2017 13:20:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 13:20:46 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1484688046; bh=NacS6vDUadlcPcGct16jQ8Q1pd2Q5d8OE0W/WWgHD0Y=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Ze/HH8hlzNrisclfMrEQStuOqeOVMzALUQV1xLfpRfraw+lQOaz+PgdxFOP9h7Zvl DiHsFn9xg6Bl9+fpIOeHrKCjBqJDGXbdYWN/Lbjf4RoVPo7jDEFvY1nausXVzRViGJ KO3pnEzofMmXoFKHeFWnrAzAvt20SCDaKw6lw1E4= From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Padding handshake packets (#164) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587e8aae713a0_77c73fda7f46d1301219e7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 21:20:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587e8aae713a0_77c73fda7f46d1301219e7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I confess that I'm not following [this comment](#issuecomment-273224503) very well. Maybe it's because I don't follow your point about requiring acknowledgment on option 2. Two things that I didn't explictly say, but assumed: * We should not require padding for a stateless reject. * If the server is required to send multiple handshake packets, it would be because the crypto had provided a blob larger than would fit in a single packet. I had assumed that it would fill the first up to the requisite size. You could fill from the last packet backwards, but that's not going to fit well when you add 0-RTT and want to fill all the packets. All of these packets are required to make progress, so the specific packetization we use for those initial packets is fairly open to whatever strategy we think is best. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/164#issuecomment-273303376 ----==_mimepart_587e8aae713a0_77c73fda7f46d1301219e7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I confess that I'm not following t= his comment very well. Maybe it's because I don't follow your point = about requiring acknowledgment on option 2.

Two things that I didn't explictly say, but assumed:

  • We should not require padding for a stateless reject.

  • If the server is required to send multiple handshake packets, it would= be because the crypto had provided a blob larger than would fit in a sin= gle packet. I had assumed that it would fill the first up to the requisi= te size. You could fill from the last packet backwards, but that's not = going to fit well when you add 0-RTT and want to fill all the packets.

All of these packets are required to make progress, so the specific pa= cketization we use for those initial packets is fairly open to whatever s= trategy we think is best.

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FWIW, PING doesn't work here. The response to a PING is an ACK, which contains no information from the PING.

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@mirjak, that suggestion smells a lot like unidirectional streams. That is, b= reaking the state machine link between the two directions of a stream. I= 'm starting to think that it might be feasible to do that, but it does cr= eate some issues. But I think that we already have those issues and we'r= e blithely ignoring them for the moment. I'll expound further in another= message, because a change on that magnitude probably needs better framin= g.

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The language may not be clear enough here, but retransmission of the ClientHello, for example, should be padded to whatever the fallback PMTU is. There are some dependencies here with some other open issues. I agree we should not pad a stateless reject. Having re-read the TLS 1.3 spec, I also agree that the server wording is probably not correct. To be honest, I was thinking of the current Google spec, where the certificate is in the REJ message. I'd be happier if we just said the server MUST send at least one MTU-size packet, and receive an acknowledgment for it, before the handshake is over. This is also completely robust to some future handshake protocol where the Certificate is in the HelloRetryRequest, or whatever. On the clientside, there might be value in waiting for the message that has the ClientCertificate in it, but as we won't know if that's required it's best to just require padding the first message. So, to summarize, I'm proposing: (1) The client MUST pad the first handshake message, and pad any retransmissions of that data. (2) The server MUST pad at least one handshake message, and pad any retransmissions of that data. If you think that's about right I'll create a PR. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/164#issuecomment-273325645 ----==_mimepart_587e9f316622e_177f3f839d1f713c13519 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

By "requiring acknowledgment", I am saying that it is insufficient to se= nd a full-size packet, have it lost due to being too large, and then retran= smit that payload without padding. The language may not be clear enough her= e, but retransmission of the ClientHello, for example, should be padded to = whatever the fallback PMTU is. There are some dependencies here with some o= ther open issues.

I agree we should not pad a stateless reject.

Having re-read the TLS 1.3 spec, I also agree that the server wording is= probably not correct. To be honest, I was thinking of the current Google s= pec, where the certificate is in the REJ message. I'd be happier if we just= said the server MUST send at least one MTU-size packet, and receive an ack= nowledgment for it, before the handshake is over. This is also completely r= obust to some future handshake protocol where the Certificate is in the Hel= loRetryRequest, or whatever.

On the clientside, there might be value in waiting for the message that = has the ClientCertificate in it, but as we won't know if that's required it= 's best to just require padding the first message.

So, to summarize, I'm proposing:
(1) The client MUST pad the first handshake message, and pad any retransmis= sions of that data.
(2) The server MUST pad at least one handshake message, and pad any retrans= missions of that data.

If you think that's about right I'll create a PR.

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The idea of a PING packet with an random number and a PONG in response seems reasonable, though if this is the only use case, I think skipping packet numbers is sufficient, given the 5-tuple is changing anyway.

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There's currently no behavior defined for the case of a connection ID collision.
The probability for a collision of two 64 bit numbers is really small, if connections IDs are chosen randomly. For example, for a server handling 100,000 concurrent connections, the collision probability is about 3*10^-10.
It might therefore be justified to completely neglect this issue.

According to the current draft, if a client initiates a handshake and chooses an existing connection ID, the server would just silently discard those packets, because it already switched to an encrypted connection and will regard them as undecryptable.

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A side note: This will not happen very often, actually very rarely, bu= t still it can happen.
A original packet has packetId of size 8bits and for a retransmission of = that packet packetId increases to 16bits. Fragmenting frames in many-bite= s frames will be inefficient, the packets will not be fully used. If only= one packet is lost we will have a 1bit frame to retransmit.
Also choosing to reduce the granularity will be inefficient because max f= rame size depend on packetId size, for example.

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= ----==_mimepart_587f267ad8524_739b3fd944bbb1301832bf-- From nobody Wed Jan 18 07:23:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F005F12940B for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2017 07:23:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.515 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.515 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MsjS410dcUXW for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2017 07:23:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD38C129406 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2017 07:23:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=5q+n0oEqqE9rSGP5wN2P0s5/ebE=; b=iPmVanWLbPrkjX61 fczQpC0A7LwXXW2ioEiNO4swdbyrH2fktYPlkQ2R6PVNNE7g2Qt1nvmk05Gch/6K SKDAcQ5nv6K7Oa4rD8yfhUosekdUc9v2aPRWSL15+WIhuhC1n0ZuZYwFmmcM6uYz 5N63URgPF75MpQN8bnftHoVVBo0= Received: by filter0835p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0835p1mdw1-26932-587F8846-14 2017-01-18 15:22:46.129985097 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id BcJMPlXrSHyJqrIo_PDXEw for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2017 15:22:45.957 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 07:22:45 -0800 From: ianswett To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] STREAM frame boundaries (#146) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587f8845d3ec9_24ef3ff3e6565134111639"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2QJrMNLdYIzXtOxeW5UtLQlq40QhTcNRCRyj dhZBUwzpAoRSh6KIxWz+ya2i59ZQ5TUBNwhkE2TxTVW/V8wYjrGOhcP0F6TNRB3SWzlY6TEbn8qtg2 PM1N5UQ1um8UKuiEoNZgrlKK3x3807HopIGTRl28K9b8EYgqwf5eLyusJSSDaOI+rGtYr55zzM2IPW 4= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 15:23:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587f8845d3ec9_24ef3ff3e6565134111639 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The scenario you describe definitely can happen often enough to be a problem. The solution we've been using is to ensure there's enough available packet number space for all outstanding packets + packets that may be sent in the future(including retransmissions) to avoid having to fragment one byte of payload into a new stream frame. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/146#issuecomment-273504775 ----==_mimepart_587f8845d3ec9_24ef3ff3e6565134111639 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The scenario you describe definitely can happen often enough to be a pro= blem. The solution we've been using is to ensure there's enough available = packet number space for all outstanding packets + packets that may be sent = in the future(including retransmissions) to avoid having to fragment one by= te of payload into a new stream frame.

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Yes, the packets would be discarded and the connection would fail. I think that's a good response, given how infrequently it's expected to happen.

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That makes RFC7540 a great *informative* reference. However, reading RFC7540 isn't (or shouldn't be) required to implement QUIC, so they shouldn't be normative. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/172 -- Commit Summary -- * Those RFC7540 references aren't really normative. -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (6) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/172.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/172.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/172 ----==_mimepart_587faac48052b_34c43f810f08b13017645b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

QUIC's flow control and stream states are similar to and modeled after HTTP/2. That makes RFC7540 a great informative reference. However, reading RFC7540 isn't (or shouldn't be) required to implement QUIC, so they shouldn't be normative.

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A rough draft of a fix for #165. Key changes:

  • RST_STREAM kills only the sender's direction, not both. (Retains the existing requirement to respond with RST_STREAM with another RST_STREAM if the stream isn't already closed, which eventually leads to the same result.)
  • New REQUEST_RST frame allows peer to solicit a RST_STREAM; text states that this reflects an app recv_close, and that received data is being discarded

This should solve the scenarios outlined in #165; a server can ask a client to RST_STREAM its own direction after having sent an early response. Feedback welcome, of course -- please point out anything I've missed.

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Wed, 18 Jan 2017 17:57:57 -0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 09:57:57 -0800 From: Mike Bishop To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <587faca5c5491_14fd23fb8c426914081057@hookshot-fe-6dbb0c4.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 8451cf: Use REQUEST_RST in HTTP/QUIC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_587faca5c5166_14fd23fb8c426914080958"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 18:06:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587faca5c5166_14fd23fb8c426914080958 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/request_rst Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 8451cf6dbb5a072518fa0d0bbd3df10ea9f691a2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8451cf6dbb5a072518fa0d0bbd3df10ea9f691a2 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-18 (Wed, 18 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Use REQUEST_RST in HTTP/QUIC ----==_mimepart_587faca5c5166_14fd23fb8c426914080958-- From nobody Wed Jan 18 10:13:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A38611294E3 for ; 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c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=3WRCx/OMbLf45jRh6ITkI6bVTg4=; b=OeFRsKCYvhkFoAVC XEj/6DSoZNzNNGbYO+pubuRV5aNjs2OMkF5lmlViAAcauNjMHO8plRXVtuKvpBAK S2Yk3yaT5CxONxmiNS+2WvbmwGUkn0N9+JG7hu7gJG/4sAR+ePjsAGIvF+jpvsPa r1R8wYV7/xTnEY5Mnl7xWmCFnvM= Received: by filter0609p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0609p1mdw1-12343-587FB04B-5A 2017-01-18 18:13:31.818738696 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id CltPHqjURoSA1JziIaDJ9Q for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2017 18:13:31.806 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 10:13:31 -0800 From: Mike Bishop To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Resetting Streams (#165) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587fb04ba4af5_6f3d3fdde9ed7130136255"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2bzt8ucll2cXvkZU6QaWXb+pLK69c1oxkCgd cwqOJNnmyNUhYGXU6gK1H4Su4RYL2Z937nNc/Qps1QNIpDjZ8GL6AdIRcTXM+NTEez5ahckXejQCir j5VlNfxyLJ5B4vi0+EcI857YKUuiPyPUcCiH8jVKE5V81qUeU7A3A18qMi3ajHhMsRU1qD+D54Uuqd M= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 18:13:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587fb04ba4af5_6f3d3fdde9ed7130136255 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just took a stab at this, and landed on something that, as @martinthomson says, smells a lot like unidirectional streams. While I left the description as a joint model, I changed RST_STREAM to close only the sender's direction (though the requirement to respond to RST_STREAM with RST_STREAM that was already in the doc is still there, so you wind up in the same place). I also added a REQUEST_RST frame, which effectively says "there's no point sending anything else; no one's consuming it." The recipient SHOULD send a RST_STREAM for their direction upon receipt. I *think* that covers the above scenarios. The biggest hole that I see is in the two playing off each other: - Server sends REQUEST_RST and starts generating the response - Due to lost packets, some portion of the response gets lost and is pending retransmission - Client gets the REQUEST_RST and obediently generates a RST_STREAM - Server gets the RST_STREAM and responds with RST_STREAM - Server aborts retransmission of its response I'm thinking I might want to remove the "SHOULD respond with RST_STREAM even if you've already sent FIN". However, in the case of a refused push, you *want* the server to not bother retransmitting anything it hasn't already gotten out successfully. Maybe that's just the wiggle room in the SHOULD, but I'd like something more deterministic. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/165#issuecomment-273554901 ----==_mimepart_587fb04ba4af5_6f3d3fdde9ed7130136255 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I just took a stab at this, and landed on something that, as @martinthomson= says, smells a lot like unidirectional streams. While I left the descript= ion as a joint model, I changed RST_STREAM to close only the sender's direc= tion (though the requirement to respond to RST_STREAM with RST_STREAM that = was already in the doc is still there, so you wind up in the same place).

I also added a REQUEST_RST frame, which effectively says "there's no poi= nt sending anything else; no one's consuming it." The recipient SHOULD sen= d a RST_STREAM for their direction upon receipt. I think that cov= ers the above scenarios.

The biggest hole that I see is in the two playing off each other:

  • Server sends REQUEST_RST and starts generating the response
    • Due to lost packets, some portion of the response gets lost and is pend= ing retransmission
  • Client gets the REQUEST_RST and obediently generates a RST_STREAM
  • Server gets the RST_STREAM and responds with RST_STREAM
    • Server aborts retransmission of its response

I'm thinking I might want to remove the "SHOULD respond with RST_STREAM = even if you've already sent FIN". However, in the case of a refused push, = you want the server to not bother retransmitting anything it hasn'= t already gotten out successfully. Maybe that's just the wiggle room in th= e SHOULD, but I'd like something more deterministic.

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= ----==_mimepart_587fb04ba4af5_6f3d3fdde9ed7130136255-- From nobody Wed Jan 18 12:42:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D1C1294E0 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2017 12:42:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.815 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.815 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2VlC4Etn_yKH for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2017 12:42:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 81B3012947E for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2017 12:42:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=vGtlKb3xJKutKjz+7IoskzWkkTw=; b=G1n22pfjG5q0ohWW rODcpl9d4JbQ3dT0wlhRofrYEh3zhbvIqyJpVePKNdNjal/2ky8MfNDcAG32rqVK Sbx1FR3PMUzAg5oK6hmTQWs+NeuhWWFm16Ax6A3pKDvJ6UjCdb1wXkEy7Dj4NAmc bi2psy0BW+svH0KZkTJwxhZFCB4= Received: by filter0442p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0442p1mdw1-22640-587FD31B-39 2017-01-18 20:42:03.486167494 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id vEmv5FaWQRexcKoKaOlV1Q for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2017 20:42:03.542 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 12:42:03 -0800 From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Address change and consent to send (#161) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587fd31b6b6b4_46503f8df2bd713482323"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2C6J6xGxt/CgFD8jKFCOgZ7T/TJPPdb9fFjL cjdaI/kyBA7/BFkdLYM01q4Pm6rHejD/X40YUYKhKeY3bxN96BdmkhInAd2WqoWyukTzoL03TNSOF6 KCj0O0m5kLh/B0V7g7wmlEvHS1m7MHbBsiNNBgi3FrBDyjbi2Gd8KQXMulvmRzhq6FMDByIgduV3sq Q= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 20:42:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587fd31b6b6b4_46503f8df2bd713482323 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Having thought about this some more, skipping packet numbers does allow for some fairly high confidence that there is return routeability. Since you are starting a new congestion state for the new path anyway, ACKs will be critical in driving the congestion window open. I do think that we need to be a lot more aggressive in dropping, skipping packet numbers with high probability (> 0.5) for a short while. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/161#issuecomment-273595443 ----==_mimepart_587fd31b6b6b4_46503f8df2bd713482323 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Having thought about this some more, skipping packet numbers does allow = for some fairly high confidence that there is return routeability. Since y= ou are starting a new congestion state for the new path anyway, ACKs will b= e critical in driving the congestion window open. I do think that we need = to be a lot more aggressive in dropping, skipping packet numbers with high = probability (> 0.5) for a short while.

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I agree with @ianswett here. Given that the same client won't generate a collid= ing packet number (or it shouldn't), the server could recognize this by obs= erving a change in the remote IP and port. It could therefore handle the n= ew connection (and propose a new connection ID) if it really wanted to. Bu= t I wouldn't expect them to, it's just so damned unlikely.

The real question here is: do we need to write anything down about this?=

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Commit: 4b257838ea3bbb83f7250b5362951762e6ce3df6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4b257838ea3bbb83f7250b5362951762e6ce3df6 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-19 (Thu, 19 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #172 from quicwg/h2_informative Unnecessary normative reference to RFC7540 Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/f297ac1e1090...4b257838ea3b ----==_mimepart_587fd5fb19067_43193fee0ff6f13411016b-- From nobody Wed Jan 18 13:34:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A22B129494 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2017 13:34:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.354 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.354 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DprfQoT3jTsb for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2017 13:34:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B150112946E for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2017 13:34:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=yjAP8Gxm+JgfU5nkyS2ZvfsniNw=; b=URxvrIWHcRy1VbC7 iYDiLNJckAzwh2DXZwaw2Nj66kEQHp5LUZq2dWWU8ojENJYDPS+U+ow/6C9ZQBTl iPDiue3RQWu/m0acmjY5GL1xtsHQl1tshgEG3Q+VK8Hsf3WhDsAV+Uuo8Amlu72U JCRDh/kKM223o/cVmZ4WyW+XsCs= Received: by filter1112p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1112p1mdw1-15857-587FDF79-49 2017-01-18 21:34:49.645753567 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 9yNasiTCQGaKbUxMKRqj-g for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2017 21:34:49.692 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 13:34:49 -0800 From: martinduke To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Padding handshake packets (#164) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_587fdf7961b63_71c03fa66d39b130105088"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak058wVPzCv0pjdYYwVyzPdMhW43hnh2ypqBiB j+rUXWupounl09cDBcbKGhseTuG7m09LxC04rpS4FE+V3/YKQ9EIUKgVFtJrxa9xvah5t4bYxrXIAw rqTPW9J4nxCRz0W1YKOPlb11sb1IuSOXyvTkQFfpSfs6q03Cl7K5QiIh3FGv8vnXw8c4X2pEzNPAM6 w= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 21:34:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_587fdf7961b63_71c03fa66d39b130105088 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Without some sort of acknowledgment/retransmission requirement, it is entirely possible to send one padded packet, lose it, and then have much smaller packets to successfully complete the handshake. But I believe your alternative formulation about octets is OK. The server will not send an MTU-size packet for the HelloRetryRequest, if it uses one. If I understand TLS1.3 integration correctly, a HelloRetryRequest might or might not be stateless for the server. I think it is a challenge to choose a specific server octet in a handshake-agnostic way. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/164#issuecomment-273608835 ----==_mimepart_587fdf7961b63_71c03fa66d39b130105088 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Without some sort of acknowledgment/retransmission requirement, it is en= tirely possible to send one padded packet, lose it, and then have much smal= ler packets to successfully complete the handshake. But I believe your alte= rnative formulation about octets is OK.

The server will not send an MTU-size packet for the HelloRetryRequest, i= f it uses one. If I understand TLS1.3 integration correctly, a HelloRetryRe= quest might or might not be stateless for the server. I think it is a chall= enge to choose a specific server octet in a handshake-agnostic way.

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There's a necessary interaction between the crypto and the transport h= ere. If the server doesn't perform a stateless reject using HelloRetryRe= quest, then it might as well pad that packet. Thus, the only case where = you need special handling is in a stateless reject. I think that's worka= ble.

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Re: 5.2.2. HEADERS

Defines the sequence number as 16 bits.

Under the HTTP mapping, with stream ids being 32 bit, and 2 streams per request, the limit would be ~ 2^30 requests per connection. The 16 bit HEADERs sequence number will run out much sooner.

Unless the assumption is that these HEADERs sequence numbers can wrap around, and the active range constrained, ala TCP sequence numbers.

Or a third alternative might be to go with compressed, ala issue #154.

Maybe sequence numbers could adopt the integer encoding scheme of HPACK?

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I think that this is an improvement, but it needs some more discussion. I have a few open questions around both the need for a unified state machine (i.e., should be move to unidirectional streams) and the need for stream reservation that might make this a lot simpler. > @@ -1214,6 +1216,31 @@ The fields are: * Error code: A 32-bit error code which indicates why the stream is being closed. + + +## REQUEST_RST Frame {#frame-request-rst} + +An endpoint may use a REQUEST_RST frame (type=0x08) to request a peer to +abruptly terminate transmission on a stream. The frame is as follows: + +~~~ + 0 1 2 3 + 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Stream ID (32) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Error Code (32) | The offset of the error code in this any RST_STREAM could be made consistent. Probably better off as a separate step though. > @@ -1402,24 +1429,23 @@ shown in the following figure and described below. ,---| reserved |------------. | recv data | | | \ | | +----------+ v v - | recv FIN/ +--------+ send FIN/ - | app read_close | | app write_close + | send FIN/RST +--------+ recv FIN/RST + | app write_close | | app read_close I've always wondered about this app read_|write_close thing. Is that what triggers sending the FIN, or is it an alternative action? I think that we need to consider removing this and using the stream close from the app as actions that drive the sending of frames. Any action that is purely local doesn't and can't affect the protocol state machine. > -endpoint sending an FIN flag causes the stream state to become "half-closed -(local)". An endpoint receiving a FIN flag causes the stream state to become -"half-closed (remote)"; the receiving endpoint MUST NOT process the FIN flag -until all preceding data on the stream has been received. - -Either endpoint can send a RST_STREAM frame from this state, causing it to -transition immediately to "closed". +From this state, either endpoint can send a STREAM frame with the FIN flag set +or a RST_STREAM frame. These indicate the clean or abrupt termination of data +flow on the stream, respectively. In either case, this causes the stream to +transition into one of the "half-closed" states. An endpoint sending an FIN +flag or a RST_STREAM frame causes the stream state to become "half-closed +(local)". An endpoint receiving a FIN flag or a RST_STREAM frame causes the +stream state to become "half-closed (remote)". The receiving endpoint MUST NOT +process the FIN flag until all preceding data on the stream has been received, +but MAY process a RST_STREAM frame immediately and discard any preceding data. This last sentence probably belongs in the description of these frame types. > -transition immediately to "closed". +From this state, either endpoint can send a STREAM frame with the FIN flag set +or a RST_STREAM frame. These indicate the clean or abrupt termination of data +flow on the stream, respectively. In either case, this causes the stream to +transition into one of the "half-closed" states. An endpoint sending an FIN +flag or a RST_STREAM frame causes the stream state to become "half-closed +(local)". An endpoint receiving a FIN flag or a RST_STREAM frame causes the +stream state to become "half-closed (remote)". The receiving endpoint MUST NOT +process the FIN flag until all preceding data on the stream has been received, +but MAY process a RST_STREAM frame immediately and discard any preceding data. + +Either endpoint can send a REQUEST_RST frame in this state to request closure of +the stream in the opposite direction. This typically indicates that the +receiving application is no longer reading from the stream and all future data +will be discarded upon receipt. An endpoint SHOULD respond to a REQUEST_RST +with a RST_STREAM of type QUIC_RECEIVED_RST. Including this in this section implies an effect on stream state. That's not the case though. > An endpoint can receive any type of frame in this state. Providing flow-control credit using WINDOW_UPDATE frames is necessary to continue receiving flow-controlled frames. In this state, a receiver MAY ignore WINDOW_UPDATE frames for this stream, which might arrive for a short period after a frame bearing the FIN flag is sent. +If an endpoint is no longer interested in the data being received in this state, +it MAY send a REQUEST_RST frame to request that the peer close the stream. +STREAM frames received after sending REQUEST_RST are still counted toward the +connection and stream flow-control windows. Even though these frames might be +ignored, because they are sent before their sender receives the REQUEST_RST, the +sender will consider the frames to count against its flow-control windows. + +If a REQUEST_RST frame is received on a stream that is already in the +"half-closed (local)" state, a RST_STREAM frame SHOULD still be sent, +so that no STREAM frames previously sent will be retransmitted. RST_STREAM isn't what causes retransmissions. You send it so that you can stop retransmissions, which is the opposite, causally. Of course, you need to retransmit RST_STREAM, so you only save bytes. > @@ -1709,10 +1740,12 @@ controller. ### Response to a RST_STREAM Since streams are bidirectional, a sender of a RST_STREAM needs to know how many -bytes the peer has sent on the stream. If an endpoint receives a RST_STREAM -frame and has sent neither a FIN nor a RST_STREAM, it MUST send a RST_STREAM in -response, bearing the offset of the last byte sent on this stream as the final -offset. +bytes the peer has sent on the stream. An endpoint that receives a RST_STREAM +frame (and which has not sent a FIN or a RST_STREAM) MUST immediately respond +with a RST_STREAM frame bearing the offset of the last byte sent on this stream +as the final offset, and MUST NOT send any more data on the stream. This +RST_STREAM SHOULD contain the error code QUIC_RECEIVED_RST. So this seems wrong if the intent is to address the one-way stream use case. Given that you have REQUEST_RST, that should be enough to cause the other side to abort. Then your only obligation should be to end your side of the stream on your own time frame. If that means that a hard abort needs both RST_STREAM and REQUEST_RST, I think that's OK. > @@ -1691,13 +1722,13 @@ waiting for a WINDOW_UPDATE which will never come. ### Mid-stream RST_STREAM On receipt of an RST_STREAM frame, an endpoint will tear down state for the for the what? I think that you can: 1. free any buffers allocated to incoming data 2. discard any data that hasn't been delivered yet But you have to: 1. account for the octets consumed from the connection flow control window (those that aren't already accounted for) 2. keep the octet offset so that you can reject overflows 3. keep the state for outgoing data in place -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

I think that this is an improvement, but it needs some more discussion. I have a few open questions around both the need for a unified state machine (i.e., should be move to unidirectional streams) and the need for stream reservation that might make this a lot simpler.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1214,6 +1216,31 @@ The fields are:
 * Error code: A 32-bit error code which indicates why the stream is being
   closed.
 
+
+
+## REQUEST_RST Frame {#frame-request-rst}
+
+An endpoint may use a REQUEST_RST frame (type=0x08) to request a peer to
+abruptly terminate transmission on a stream.  The frame is as follows:
+
+~~~
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                        Stream ID (32)                         |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                        Error Code (32)                        |

The offset of the error code in this any RST_STREAM could be made consistent. Probably better off as a separate step though.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1402,24 +1429,23 @@ shown in the following figure and described below.
     ,---| reserved |------------.    | recv data
     |   |          |             \   |
     |   +----------+              v  v
-    |               recv FIN/   +--------+ send FIN/
-    |            app read_close |        | app write_close
+    |            send FIN/RST   +--------+ recv FIN/RST
+    |           app write_close |        | app read_close

I've always wondered about this app read_|write_close thing. Is that what triggers sending the FIN, or is it an alternative action?

I think that we need to consider removing this and using the stream close from the app as actions that drive the sending of frames. Any action that is purely local doesn't and can't affect the protocol state machine.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -endpoint sending an FIN flag causes the stream state to become "half-closed
-(local)".  An endpoint receiving a FIN flag causes the stream state to become
-"half-closed (remote)"; the receiving endpoint MUST NOT process the FIN flag
-until all preceding data on the stream has been received.
-
-Either endpoint can send a RST_STREAM frame from this state, causing it to
-transition immediately to "closed".
+From this state, either endpoint can send a STREAM frame with the FIN flag set
+or a RST_STREAM frame.  These indicate the clean or abrupt termination of data
+flow on the stream, respectively.  In either case, this causes the stream to
+transition into one of the "half-closed" states.  An endpoint sending an FIN
+flag or a RST_STREAM frame causes the stream state to become "half-closed
+(local)".  An endpoint receiving a FIN flag or a RST_STREAM frame causes the
+stream state to become "half-closed (remote)".  The receiving endpoint MUST NOT
+process the FIN flag until all preceding data on the stream has been received,
+but MAY process a RST_STREAM frame immediately and discard any preceding data.

This last sentence probably belongs in the description of these frame types.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -transition immediately to "closed".
+From this state, either endpoint can send a STREAM frame with the FIN flag set
+or a RST_STREAM frame.  These indicate the clean or abrupt termination of data
+flow on the stream, respectively.  In either case, this causes the stream to
+transition into one of the "half-closed" states.  An endpoint sending an FIN
+flag or a RST_STREAM frame causes the stream state to become "half-closed
+(local)".  An endpoint receiving a FIN flag or a RST_STREAM frame causes the
+stream state to become "half-closed (remote)".  The receiving endpoint MUST NOT
+process the FIN flag until all preceding data on the stream has been received,
+but MAY process a RST_STREAM frame immediately and discard any preceding data.
+
+Either endpoint can send a REQUEST_RST frame in this state to request closure of
+the stream in the opposite direction.  This typically indicates that the
+receiving application is no longer reading from the stream and all future data
+will be discarded upon receipt.  An endpoint SHOULD respond to a REQUEST_RST
+with a RST_STREAM of type QUIC_RECEIVED_RST.

Including this in this section implies an effect on stream state. That's not the case though.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 An endpoint can receive any type of frame in this state.  Providing flow-control
 credit using WINDOW_UPDATE frames is necessary to continue receiving
 flow-controlled frames.  In this state, a receiver MAY ignore WINDOW_UPDATE
 frames for this stream, which might arrive for a short period after a frame
 bearing the FIN flag is sent.
 
+If an endpoint is no longer interested in the data being received in this state,
+it MAY send a REQUEST_RST frame to request that the peer close the stream.
+STREAM frames received after sending REQUEST_RST are still counted toward the
+connection and stream flow-control windows.  Even though these frames might be
+ignored, because they are sent before their sender receives the REQUEST_RST, the
+sender will consider the frames to count against its flow-control windows.
+
+If a REQUEST_RST frame is received on a stream that is already in the
+"half-closed (local)" state, a RST_STREAM frame SHOULD still be sent,
+so that no STREAM frames previously sent will be retransmitted.

RST_STREAM isn't what causes retransmissions. You send it so that you can stop retransmissions, which is the opposite, causally. Of course, you need to retransmit RST_STREAM, so you only save bytes.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1709,10 +1740,12 @@ controller.
 ### Response to a RST_STREAM
 
 Since streams are bidirectional, a sender of a RST_STREAM needs to know how many
-bytes the peer has sent on the stream.  If an endpoint receives a RST_STREAM
-frame and has sent neither a FIN nor a RST_STREAM, it MUST send a RST_STREAM in
-response, bearing the offset of the last byte sent on this stream as the final
-offset.
+bytes the peer has sent on the stream.   An endpoint that receives a RST_STREAM
+frame (and which has not sent a FIN or a RST_STREAM) MUST immediately respond
+with a RST_STREAM frame bearing the offset of the last byte sent on this stream
+as the final offset, and MUST NOT send any more data on the stream.  This
+RST_STREAM SHOULD contain the error code QUIC_RECEIVED_RST.

So this seems wrong if the intent is to address the one-way stream use case. Given that you have REQUEST_RST, that should be enough to cause the other side to abort. Then your only obligation should be to end your side of the stream on your own time frame. If that means that a hard abort needs both RST_STREAM and REQUEST_RST, I think that's OK.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1691,13 +1722,13 @@ waiting for a WINDOW_UPDATE which will never come.
 ### Mid-stream RST_STREAM
 
 On receipt of an RST_STREAM frame, an endpoint will tear down state for the

for the what?

I think that you can:

  1. free any buffers allocated to incoming data
  2. discard any data that hasn't been delivered yet

But you have to:

  1. account for the octets consumed from the connection flow control window (those that aren't already accounted for)
  2. keep the octet offset so that you can reject overflows
  3. keep the state for outgoing data in place

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However, there is a small difference between those state machines in that a reserved stream becomes open when data is sent on it. HTTP/2 reserved streams become half-closed in this case (basically, only the server can send on a reserved stream). The reason we have reservation is that we use stream numbers to identify requests at the HTTP mapping. We reserve the stream number so that we can use its number in the PUSH_PROMISE frame. That ties the PUSH_PROMISE - which contains a request - to the stream containing the response. We need to create streams sequentially, so reservation allows us to "create" the stream in the right order and still be able to reference it. In practice, however, this is a nuisance. Reserved streams don't count toward concurrency limits and so they represent an unbounded state exposure. Reserved streams might be created in order, but they can be used in any order. Of course, this is a minor annoyance at best because there is always application state, and maybe priority information for these streams. I believe that QUIC has the opportunity to address this annoyance and in the process make the state machine simpler. If QUIC removed the concept of stream reservation and instead required that application protocols create their correlators for use with talking about future streams, that would greatly simplify things. For instance, we could remove the promised stream identifier from PUSH_PROMISE. Instead, the stream that carries a push promise response could start with a frame that identified the PUSH_PROMISE by stream and number: "this stream contains the response for promised request number P on stream N". Or, we could mint a new PUSH_PROMISE identifier that could be carried at the start of the stream. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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QUIC borrows the concept of stream reservation from HTTP/2. However, there is a small difference between those state machines in that a reserved stream becomes open when data is sent on it. HTTP/2 reserved streams become half-closed in this case (basically, only the server can send on a reserved stream).

The reason we have reservation is that we use stream numbers to identify requests at the HTTP mapping. We reserve the stream number so that we can use its number in the PUSH_PROMISE frame. That ties the PUSH_PROMISE - which contains a request - to the stream containing the response. We need to create streams sequentially, so reservation allows us to "create" the stream in the right order and still be able to reference it.

In practice, however, this is a nuisance. Reserved streams don't count toward concurrency limits and so they represent an unbounded state exposure. Reserved streams might be created in order, but they can be used in any order. Of course, this is a minor annoyance at best because there is always application state, and maybe priority information for these streams.

I believe that QUIC has the opportunity to address this annoyance and in the process make the state machine simpler. If QUIC removed the concept of stream reservation and instead required that application protocols create their correlators for use with talking about future streams, that would greatly simplify things.

For instance, we could remove the promised stream identifier from PUSH_PROMISE. Instead, the stream that carries a push promise response could start with a frame that identified the PUSH_PROMISE by stream and number: "this stream contains the response for promised request number P on stream N". Or, we could mint a new PUSH_PROMISE identifier that could be carried at the start of the stream.

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Oh, one other consideration: we would need to build a way to cancel a push promise, since we could no longer preemptively reset the stream that we were promised.

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Part of that replication is the idea that a stream is bidirectional. The state related to outgoing data and the state related to inbound data are tied. #174 suggests a simplification that could open up a more dramatic simplification: independent state for each direction. #171 moves in that direction also. The state machine that results from that is dramatically simpler: idle -> open -> closed. That is, before packets, packets and after packets. The consequence for the HTTP mapping is largely that it needs a different method for correlating request and response. ## Correlating request and response Currently, request and response are correlated by matching the stream identifier. However, unidirectional streams would allow for cases where streams are not created symmetrically. For instance, server push would only require streams from the server. Similarly, the server would not be obligated to respond to requests in the order in which they were received (if at all, since it could reset request streams). That implies that this would add a requirement for the server to identify which request a given stream is answering. This is an extension of the requirement in #174, which only required that the server identify a push promise (actually, it's less onerous, because you only have one request per stream). I can imagine an arrangement where a stream containing headers identifies the stream containing the request headers from the client. Then the stream containing the body identifies the stream that contained the headers. ## Saving stream identifiers This is a minor point, though it could be relevant for very long-lived connections. QUIC currently insists on a strictly monotonically increasing stream identifier: stream N is followed by stream N+2 always, no skipping of streams is permitted. Aside from wasting every other stream identifier, other streams are wasted by the mapping. GET requests don't include a body, but nonetheless require that the client send a HEADERS on stream N, then a FIN on stream N+2. Including a reference to the initiating stream at the start of the body of a message would use some octets, but potentially fewer than would be used otherwise (particularly if the reference was a varlen encoding of the difference in stream numbers, which would rarely be anything other than 1). Obviously, this is an optimization for the case where there are no bodies, but that is a case where the optimization is particularly valuable. Making more requests (which more frequently have no bodies) during the early stages of a connection is critical to performance. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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QUIC borrows the HTTP/2 state machine, or tries to replicate it as much as it can. Part of that replication is the idea that a stream is bidirectional. The state related to outgoing data and the state related to inbound data are tied.

#174 suggests a simplification that could open up a more dramatic simplification: independent state for each direction. #171 moves in that direction also.

The state machine that results from that is dramatically simpler: idle -> open -> closed. That is, before packets, packets and after packets.

The consequence for the HTTP mapping is largely that it needs a different method for correlating request and response.

Correlating request and response

Currently, request and response are correlated by matching the stream identifier. However, unidirectional streams would allow for cases where streams are not created symmetrically. For instance, server push would only require streams from the server. Similarly, the server would not be obligated to respond to requests in the order in which they were received (if at all, since it could reset request streams).

That implies that this would add a requirement for the server to identify which request a given stream is answering. This is an extension of the requirement in #174, which only required that the server identify a push promise (actually, it's less onerous, because you only have one request per stream).

I can imagine an arrangement where a stream containing headers identifies the stream containing the request headers from the client. Then the stream containing the body identifies the stream that contained the headers.

Saving stream identifiers

This is a minor point, though it could be relevant for very long-lived connections.

QUIC currently insists on a strictly monotonically increasing stream identifier: stream N is followed by stream N+2 always, no skipping of streams is permitted. Aside from wasting every other stream identifier, other streams are wasted by the mapping.

GET requests don't include a body, but nonetheless require that the client send a HEADERS on stream N, then a FIN on stream N+2. Including a reference to the initiating stream at the start of the body of a message would use some octets, but potentially fewer than would be used otherwise (particularly if the reference was a varlen encoding of the difference in stream numbers, which would rarely be anything other than 1).

Obviously, this is an optimization for the case where there are no bodies, but that is a case where the optimization is particularly valuable. Making more requests (which more frequently have no bodies) during the early stages of a connection is critical to performance.

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That, in turn, means that no future HPACK frame can be interpreted, ever, because you're missing part of your history. Oops. My first inclination is to change the HTTP draft to say that message control streams MUST NOT be reset. If you don't want the message body, reset the data stream, but you MUST read the message headers. If, for some reason, you cannot do so, then terminate the connection. Anyone see a barrier to that (other than the price of ginormous headers)? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/176 ----==_mimepart_58805e63eea29_128e3f88d71c11381246ed Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson noticed an issue in the QPACK draft that's equally true with HPACK in -01:

If you RST_STREAM a stream with a missing QUIC STREAM frame that contains an HPACK frame (HEADERS, PUSH_PROMISE), that missing frame never gets retransmitted. That, in turn, means that no future HPACK frame can be interpreted, ever, because you're missing part of your history.

Oops.

My first inclination is to change the HTTP draft to say that message control streams MUST NOT be reset. If you don't want the message body, reset the data stream, but you MUST read the message headers. If, for some reason, you cannot do so, then terminate the connection.

Anyone see a barrier to that (other than the price of ginormous headers)?

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QUIC provides a dedicated stream (Stream ID 1) to = be -used for performing a combined connection and security handshake (streams = are -described in detail in {{streams}}). The crypto handshake protocol encaps= ulates -and delivers QUIC's transport handshake to the peer on the crypto stream. = The -first QUIC packet from the client to the server MUST carry handshake infor= mation -as data on Stream ID 1. +establishment latency. QUIC allocates stream 1 for the cryptographic hand= shake, +which uses TLS. (a bit late to the discussion, but here are some thoughts from a large p2p = project) - It is pretty important to preserve the ability to _swap to a different cr= ypto handshake protocol_, in case problems are found, or for some extremely= sensitive applications. Specs tend to bake and solidify, so doors you clos= e now may remain shut forever. - Be careful with crypto agility-- negotiating handshake protocols can be a= big security problem. Crypto agility without the ruthless removal of older= protocols (and necessary rejection of old peers) has been known to cause m= assive problems (yes, hence everyone here asking for TLS >=3D 1.3, =F0=9F= =91=8D ).=20 - Differentiate "crypto extensibility" from "crypto agility", as agl puts i= t here (https://www.imperialviolet.org/2016/05/16/agility.html): > Firstly I'd like to separate extensibility from agility. A protocol i= s extensible if you can add features to it without having to update every i= mplementation at the same time=E2=80=94which is generally impossible. Crypt= ographic agility depends on having extensibility, at least if you ever want= to use something that wasn't designed into a protocol at the beginning. > > Protocols should be extensible: the world keeps changing and no desig= n is going to be perfect for all time. But extensibility is much harder in = practice than it sounds. - I personally think QUIC should have _extensibility_ regarding its crypto = encryption protocol (and thus keep the "what is needed from a crypto protoc= ol" section of the spec), but i also think crypto agility maybe should not = be encouraged (i.e. negotiation is not necessary at all, only extensibility= (a code specifying which protocol is being used may be sufficient). Negoti= ation/agility is not required because a meta-protocol that "negotiates whic= h crypto protocol to use" could just as easily be the one used by those who= require it/are fine to saddle on the security implications of crypto agili= ty). - In practice, it's ok to have two peers/a client+server pair _know_ what c= rypto protocol they will use to connect with each other (eg latest browsers= using TLS 1.3, or even a "TLS >=3D 1.3 negotiation protocol", all ipfs pee= rs using TLS 1.3 or CurveCP). - But again, baking in TLS as _the_ only option at this point is the sort o= f thing that can "protocol ossify" and be quite difficult to upgrade from. = I dont think you lose much (anything?) by keeping a way to specify which pr= otocol the connection is using, which this version says SHOULD be TLS 1.3, = but which leaves the door open to implementors / users / future protocol de= signers to upgrade smoothly to something else, without requiring a full new= QUIC version (harder to do). - > also +1 on binding a version of the protocol to TLS with text that ackn= owledges security versioning is done as protocol versioning. I don't think this solves the problem. It's a good idea when _everyone ag= rees_ which protocol is the right one. But consider that there has been a l= ot of suspicious activity even in standards bodies, and we may see a lot mo= re in the coming years. Already it is the case that many well-known cryptog= raphers/security people prefer other crypto primitives (eg djb crypto) or d= ifferent crypto handshake protocols. - i don't know if this is still relevant (or whether TLS 1.3 has absorbed D= TLS 1.3 as far as QUIC is concerned), but i think it may be relevant to kee= p the door open to use DTLS 1.3 for unreliable "channels" (stream, but it's= not really a stream). I dont think most standard users of QUIC will need u= nreliable streams, and you may have dropped it from the spec by this point,= but i know users like WebRTC and IPFS would greatly benefit from muxing bo= th unreliable channels and reliable streams, and use TLS for reliable and D= TLS (or something else) for unreliable. Sorry, there's a lot of feedback here, much that isn't up to date with ever= ything going on in the WG. If you'd like me to separate any of these commen= ts into other issues, please lmk. --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/122= ----==_mimepart_58807c6f6ccc9_351f3fb58cd9313c310362 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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In draft-ietf= -quic-transport.md:

>=20=20
 ## Crypto and Transport Handshake {#handshake}
=20
 QUIC relies on a combined crypto and transport handshake to minimize conne=
ction
-establishment latency.  QUIC provides a dedicated stream (Stream ID 1) to =
be
-used for performing a combined connection and security handshake (streams =
are
-described in detail in {{streams}}).  The crypto handshake protocol encaps=
ulates
-and delivers QUIC's transport handshake to the peer on the crypto stre=
am.  The
-first QUIC packet from the client to the server MUST carry handshake infor=
mation
-as data on Stream ID 1.
+establishment latency.  QUIC allocates stream 1 for the cryptographic hand=
shake,
+which uses TLS.

(a bit late to the discussion, but here are some thoughts from a large p= 2p project)

  • It is pretty important to preserve the ability to swap to a differe= nt crypto handshake protocol, in case problems are found, or for some = extremely sensitive applications. Specs tend to bake and solidify, so doors= you close now may remain shut forever.
  • Be careful with crypto agility-- negotiating handshake protocols can be= a big security problem. Crypto agility without the ruthless removal of old= er protocols (and necessary rejection of old peers) has been known to cause= massive problems (yes, hence everyone here asking for TLS >=3D 1.3, =F0=9F=91=8D ).<= /li>
  • Differentiate "crypto extensibility" from "crypto agility", as agl puts= it here (https://www.imperialviolet.org/2016/05/16/agility.html):

    Firstly I'd like to separate extensibility from agility. A protocol is e= xtensible if you can add features to it without having to update every impl= ementation at the same time=E2=80=94which is generally impossible. Cryptogr= aphic agility depends on having extensibility, at least if you ever want to= use something that wasn't designed into a protocol at the beginning.

    Protocols should be extensible: the world keeps changing and no design i= s going to be perfect for all time. But extensibility is much harder in pra= ctice than it sounds.

  • I personally think QUIC should have extensibility regarding it= s crypto encryption protocol (and thus keep the "what is needed from a cryp= to protocol" section of the spec), but i also think crypto agility maybe sh= ould not be encouraged (i.e. negotiation is not necessary at all, only exte= nsibility (a code specifying which protocol is being used may be sufficient= ). Negotiation/agility is not required because a meta-protocol that "negoti= ates which crypto protocol to use" could just as easily be the one used by = those who require it/are fine to saddle on the security implications of cry= pto agility).
  • In practice, it's ok to have two peers/a client+server pair know what crypto protocol they will use to connect with each other (eg latest= browsers using TLS 1.3, or even a "TLS >=3D 1.3 negotiation protocol", = all ipfs peers using TLS 1.3 or CurveCP).
  • But again, baking in TLS as the only option at this point is t= he sort of thing that can "protocol ossify" and be quite difficult to upgra= de from. I dont think you lose much (anything?) by keeping a way to specify= which protocol the connection is using, which this version says SHOULD be = TLS 1.3, but which leaves the door open to implementors / users / future pr= otocol designers to upgrade smoothly to something else, without requiring a= full new QUIC version (harder to do).

  • also +1 on binding a version of the protocol to TLS with text that ackno= wledges security versioning is done as protocol versioning.
    I don't think this solves the problem. It's a good idea when everyone a= grees which protocol is the right one. But consider that there has bee= n a lot of suspicious activity even in standards bodies, and we may see a l= ot more in the coming years. Already it is the case that many well-known cr= yptographers/security people prefer other crypto primitives (eg djb crypto)= or different crypto handshake protocols.

  • i don't know if this is still relevant (or whether TLS 1.3 has absorbed= DTLS 1.3 as far as QUIC is concerned), but i think it may be relevant to k= eep the door open to use DTLS 1.3 for unreliable "channels" (stream, but it= 's not really a stream). I dont think most standard users of QUIC will need= unreliable streams, and you may have dropped it from the spec by this poin= t, but i know users like WebRTC and IPFS would greatly benefit from muxing = both unreliable channels and reliable streams, and use TLS for reliable and= DTLS (or something else) for unreliable.

Sorry, there's a lot of feedback here, much that isn't up to date with e= verything going on in the WG. If you'd like me to separate any of these com= ments into other issues, please lmk.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > If the total number of packets transmitted in this connection reaches 2^64 - 1, the sender MUST close the connection by sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with the error code QUIC_SEQUENCE_NUMBER_LIMIT_REACHED If this packet is lost there is not packet number available for its retransmission. 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If the total number of packets transmitted in this connection reaches 2^64 - 1, the sender MUST close the connection by sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with the error code QUIC_SEQUENCE_NUMBER_LIMIT_REACHED

If this packet is lost there is not packet number available for its retransmission. CONNECTION_CLOSE should be reliably transmitted.

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----==_mimepart_5880a34154091_20d13fe8348a1130141629-- From nobody Thu Jan 19 03:44:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E053129478 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 03:44:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.538 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.538 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3y5PkS2EH2K8 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 03:44:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D0AA129411 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 03:44:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 03:44:22 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1484826262; bh=zzG2eSjwUTawjzEXyNa+7wT5h2niK5SNAMCCbfMn6qs=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=hsruo6KdbERCuXU7OV72e+acLIK9BO7tvuYNKba/9SrhiVldvrODnxtvbKxngIQd0 LMdIjQQzD1xcKmYOsjMA50/GLGw1mD1KuoGItgQCqXXrshjuAN7WMtmXG3ghSV7/Qd u9695zja6KqHdY1A1AvsadSx+id8VhpY8BfkYMXE= From: Dragana Damjanovic To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Editorial issue with STOP_WAITING (#178) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5880a69668a1b_68683fa0cae2f13010905a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ddragana X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 11:44:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5880a69668a1b_68683fa0cae2f13010905a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In Section 7.3 (STOP_WAITING Frame), Least Unacked Delta is calculated using the packet ID of the packet carrying the STOP_WAITING frame. This is reasonable. In the ACK Frame section: > An endpoint SHOULD use the "Largest Acked" packet number it received to calculate the "Least Unacked Delta" value in any STOP_WAITING frame it might send. Maybe I understood it wrong but it suggest to calculate Least Unacked Delta using "Largest Acked". This should be written in a different way if it meant that the information from an ack (not only "Largest Acked" but also unacked gaps ) is used to decide to send a STOP_WAITING frame. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/178 ----==_mimepart_5880a69668a1b_68683fa0cae2f13010905a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In Section 7.3 (STOP_WAITING Frame), Least Unacked Delta is calculated using the packet ID of the packet carrying the STOP_WAITING frame. This is reasonable.

In the ACK Frame section:

An endpoint SHOULD use the "Largest Acked" packet number it received to calculate the "Least Unacked Delta" value in any STOP_WAITING frame it might send.

Maybe I understood it wrong but it suggest to calculate Least Unacked Delta using "Largest Acked".
This should be written in a different way if it meant that the information from an ack (not only "Largest Acked" but also unacked gaps ) is used to decide to send a STOP_WAITING frame.

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----==_mimepart_5880a69668a1b_68683fa0cae2f13010905a-- From nobody Thu Jan 19 04:02:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B327B129411 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 04:02:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.155 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.155 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LoUF9bRKOo2x for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 04:02:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1ABBD12007C for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 04:02:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 04:02:53 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1484827373; bh=R7QkvocqrmbPDKMVQc98jTGs03bXlSeo3Q64098Ed1g=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=m7LzMxbYih0e3CEFDRNYVNtvs8zxZZKHw56iKmCPeOAOGRtPVC8I9Ib7t1eiiXTNv BDxBdZkVb9A4B12WB8x4bMQt5E8KJ7obK+LJJ3aub6W/ZF6j5fzQ89sF13yRmgOrZS pCxek8GwfyYMd5ulBExBH+F+B0+TrB2jgX5alhgA= From: Lucas Pardue To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] RST_STREAM breaks HPACK (#176) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5880aaed6bdc1_c2a3fc93684113010022f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 12:02:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5880aaed6bdc1_c2a3fc93684113010022f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm don't think I appreciate the full scale of this problem or maybe misunderstanding. However I wonder about the relation of RST_STREAM to promised streams? Consider an "over eager" server that is configured to push everything and assume some level of serial processing. Your proposal implies that the client may only cancel data streams, requiring the server to allocate resource to generation of response headers (that may be a waste). A smarter implementation could read the promised data stream reset and infer that it should give up on the push-related response altogether; perhaps the server could cancel it's own control stream? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/176#issuecomment-273759459 ----==_mimepart_5880aaed6bdc1_c2a3fc93684113010022f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm don't think I appreciate the full scale of this problem or maybe m= isunderstanding. However I wonder about the relation of RST_STREAM to pr= omised streams?

Consider an "over eager" server that is configured to push everything = and assume some level of serial processing. Your proposal implies that th= e client may only cancel data streams, requiring the server to allocate r= esource to generation of response headers (that may be a waste). A smart= er implementation could read the promised data stream reset and infer tha= t it should give up on the push-related response altogether; perhaps the = server could cancel it's own control stream?

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I've had another thought, QUIC-TRANSPORT says:

This section lists the defined QUIC transport error codes that may be us= ed in a CONNECTION_CLOSE or RST_STREAM frame. Error codes share a common co= de space. Some error codes apply only to either streams or the entire conne= ction and have no defined semantics in the other context.

It's not clear to me what error codes are appropriate to use with which = frame types. Google's QUIC implementation separated the error codes into di= stinct groups, which made things clearer. It was just not documented in the= specs.

How should an endpoint handle receiving a frame type that includes an er= ror code that is semantically incorrect. For example, receiving a RST= _FRAME with an error belonging to the host-local codes?

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= ----==_mimepart_5880aebb51917_190f3fbd1a7d91341369fb-- From nobody Thu Jan 19 06:52:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F5E12941A for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 06:52:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.737 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.737 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ppO6xmfJoeo4 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 06:51:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23A991270B4 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 06:51:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=HpGKDhknPS4LrkFVT4cifc3MHLQ=; b=idUn3lyvZ4SloGNB bA+mD5p1IEjnwvsK4LDo07Igg9otHEkw93jLeVS7tdooeltkdluWoZjT/tLBV4Wq LsfV+A3WjHyp1W9dBJ+s+/tPZXKqw6L+FUxPDYCUfjEKdvVPxRIZzBvIOXHdCzMI 2W1eQfi/2+Oh7Oxyb2ESg1bo4rU= Received: by filter1073p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1073p1mdw1-15639-5880D28D-4E 2017-01-19 14:51:57.677594459 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id YGCzBOWGRSiIbxDxoN-N2w for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 14:51:57.545 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 06:51:57 -0800 From: ianswett To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] RST_STREAM breaks HPACK (#176) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5880d28d72db7_2a82d3f9e9483f14092371f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1HEqzwGC2YJL/The5bkOmnQqooRYaSpPFTO7 NSeK6t7YsnqBTchf//m/KBFKslxmBV2JPFGL3BatOm7/Xb1TTNA0VbcEowUxlFXCHJSZpwynaWrVo+ 0BSBlZis147d3wI6NWOS+Y8w8rP2DBUH0DmX63mI7B8KUvOFu2f8y8V8ktUuSS4RkLGXqpljfPILXK I= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 14:52:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5880d28d72db7_2a82d3f9e9483f14092371f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought one purpose of giving headers its own stream was so you can't reset the headers stream, but you can the body stream? So yes, I'd suggest you change the draft to say message control streams MUST NOT be reset. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/176#issuecomment-273795921 ----==_mimepart_5880d28d72db7_2a82d3f9e9483f14092371f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I thought one purpose of giving headers its own stream was so you can't = reset the headers stream, but you can the body stream?

So yes, I'd suggest you change the draft to say message control streams = MUST NOT be reset.

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A stream that is "half-closed (remote)" is no longer being used by
the peer to send any data. In this state, a sender is no longer
obligated to maintain a receiver stream-level flow-control window.

If an endpoint receives any STREAM frames for a stream that is in
this state, it MUST close the connection with a
QUIC_STREAM_DATA_AFTER_TERMINATION error (Section 11).

If a packet sent before the packet with FIN bit set gets lost and is retransmitted is going to cause close of the connection.
The text needs to change to say if a frame with offset larger than the offset + size of the frame with FIN bit set is received. (or a better wording)

(An editorial remark: In the "Lifecycle of a stream" diagram going from "half-closed(remote)" to "closed" should be cause by "send FIN" not "recv FIN" and from "half-closed(local)" to "closed" should be cause by "recv FIN")

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The intent is to cause the least unacked in the stop waiting to be raise= d to the most recently received largest acked.

Would it be clearer if the sentence was "The endpoint SHOULD raise the L= east Unacked communicated via future STOP_WAITING frames to the most recent= ly received Largest Acked"?

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Yes, that is clearer. Thanks.

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----==_mimepart_5880ff459211c_42943ffd0e65d13c1769fa-- From nobody Thu Jan 19 10:16:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E50E129499 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 10:16:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.301 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.301 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gzuLGVyZqJQt for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 10:16:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC20212947D for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 10:16:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=r0QhiI/yOWQO1eqHUm0rKyb3ZDI=; b=fQhclfqN82aPqnY6 OE9iA6WltuSvJgL8O0oNZSH+K1gilkj3Lax9iO2Ms9ioipdqxEOtffCYYowLE9YT 6eyh74f6jah94ZPKTqEv9VnK+pSuFmuDzDaRTxnWmDaHJiDc6m2fyDlx40dcMkD2 qAedT+iZJaQUeg033GWvQeoCGkY= Received: by filter0644p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0644p1mdw1-14132-58810265-54 2017-01-19 18:16:05.684885664 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id beYHnUsCSrWVhzy6XZ3RRQ for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 18:16:05.664 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 10:16:05 -0800 From: krasic To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] RST_STREAM breaks HPACK (#176) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_588102658d25d_6c0b3fce0e395140181594"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: krasic X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3EUDrmbyAeeZ5DFG1FQ0SzyyJPHrVyH9XI4N jKeCLMeYrNCpfGkZPXfdc3l6g8cOXm6eQoIVPOAvV1K2KWwhMp7IwqihgFMupFGeOLTmCuSAK1+WIc GoVpjVwNFqbz7nmjy2wIPaL5rRk3UrHLaXdVx5oqqCdUY3ywTbleIdfqbU93krEWlPRd4ZhBllBIhp w= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 18:16:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_588102658d25d_6c0b3fce0e395140181594 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is a wrinkle I encountered, you still need to allow QUIC_REFUSED_STREAM form of reset. Due to this, I think it makes sense to note that HTTP stream pairs should be created together, and if necessary REFUSED together. This is what I'm doing in my current implementation of HoL avoiding HPACK. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/176#issuecomment-273854294 ----==_mimepart_588102658d25d_6c0b3fce0e395140181594 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Clarifies how to populate the STOP WAITING frame and removes inconsistently used double quotes.

Suggested in Issue #178

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/180

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@LPardue= - I think rfc7540 10.5 addresses the over eager server case. A PUSH_PROMISE= comes from an associated stream, which must have already had resources a= llocated.

"The number of PUSH_PROMISE frames is not constrained in the same
fashion. A client that accepts server push SHOULD limit the number
of streams it allows to be in the "reserved (remote)" state. An
excessive number of server push streams can be treated as a stream
error (Section 5.4.2) of type ENHANCE_YOUR_CALM."

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= ----==_mimepart_58810d2d67cae_5ee33fe7a5c9b13023942-- From nobody Thu Jan 19 13:06:09 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1153F12957E for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 13:06:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.355 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.355 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2vRPvwtKqB6q for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 13:06:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5FE25129615 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 13:06:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=ToXSpSV0Qxv5Pj67gsdbgueAFow=; b=l7gTLguB/88U4bAP T0UNocbdEsrk5iQ1U0kn8kyDDechXK7uC+k56qrHAisZMhiewmQ6n1M0BtLjD8XR dgPd7CwFOPVSAgdcBoIyzHRSo1gmAwWONkWtbn++uhky6yJoJsTFuk/n7HvtNAHb xPqrUCNoS544c2Np5IZtdiOYfXM= Received: by filter0979p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0979p1mdw1-23349-58812A3D-16 2017-01-19 21:06:05.105521595 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 1zm4crj9SXyhmFt4W6o4-w for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 21:06:05.090 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 13:06:02 -0800 From: Peter Thatcher To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Maximum stream number (#108) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58812a3a2dd9b_2fb33ff62eadb13c11515e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: pthatcherg X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3TblS6AufH5O511Q2Of4JklwKxS/l2WhAQbG +/GZ+F51OEDLtBS9cZi7w8QHOCAgEp/TqIlhJq5COkonpOp5RlmIa4av3oPYf8kbM1D+NY7+IhK0ug CW5yK1pLI9pK3IDP3QPsebvpPQoW5KVDTXoAzPn/hqWNZtkBVucF8lm1dqNtZerv7ZU2GtCy0VLCB1 A= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 21:06:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58812a3a2dd9b_2fb33ff62eadb13c11515e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some more explanation from the WebRTC perspective: With both audio and video at high frame/sample rates and simulcast (multiple resolutions), and then add some high frequency data channel messages, you can easily be in the "500hz" combined territory, which if you're conservative and assume 1B stream IDs available, you end up with: 1B / (500 * 60 * 60 * 24) = 23 days Which doesn't sound too bad, until you want some realtime data streaming for more than 23 days. I admit it is an edge case. Most uses of WebRTC will not be using so many streams, and even if they did, we could do things like use a new connection ID or re-use stream IDs. But if it's easy enough to add a few more optional bits of stream IDs, then we can avoid this possibility altogether and leave the flexibility open. If it's difficult to add those optional bits, then perhaps it's not worth the tradeoff. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/108#issuecomment-273898495 ----==_mimepart_58812a3a2dd9b_2fb33ff62eadb13c11515e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Some more explanation from the WebRTC perspective:

With both audio and video at high frame/sample rates and simulcast (mult= iple resolutions), and then add some high frequency data channel messages, = you can easily be in the "500hz" combined territory, which if you're conser= vative and assume 1B stream IDs available, you end up with:

1B / (500 * 60 * 60 * 24) =3D 23 days

Which doesn't sound too bad, until you want some realtime data streaming= for more than 23 days.

I admit it is an edge case. Most uses of WebRTC will not be using so ma= ny streams, and even if they did, we could do things like use a new connec= tion ID or re-use stream IDs. But if it's easy enough to add a few more op= tional bits of stream IDs, then we can avoid this possibility altogether an= d leave the flexibility open. If it's difficult to add those optional bits= , then perhaps it's not worth the tradeoff.

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Would it be crazy to just use HPACK's integer representation?

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respond to it :)

In QUIC it actually maps to a the QUIC error code HTTP_EXCESSIVE_LOAD
(0x07).
It is interesting to think if reduction in load is responsibility of
transport or application layer.



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= ----==_mimepart_5881379bc179a_4ee3f987f32f13435569f-- From nobody Thu Jan 19 14:40:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81EE129610 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 14:40:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.219 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.219 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hX-vQzE331PR for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 14:40:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7D1812959C for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 14:40:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=zqSS+yrA/bhBOXgyU2d75P9+srg=; b=vIO4nDUDFDOTbikQ R+ONfxSbz2Ajcoo3mje4ebMk0DlwXaVzKZBHzO2LbxQ2Np5Zn/RCg4YaNcdnGekv MPfBTVcTW05P5mdn/ARHL3M0bQBjpyK+lan5MU9tXV8XqFa0xY8uC19/E6aVTna/ S/kfNrgIUa9ITGDxLqdta/mx91A= Received: by filter0954p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0954p1mdw1-22023-5881406F-7 2017-01-19 22:40:47.116893982 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id LLYCVaa1Q8SuW4QJsAXW9g for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 22:40:46.929 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 14:40:46 -0800 From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] RST_STREAM breaks HPACK (#176) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5881406ebc9c7_79e53ff8c86e9140351973"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3BmbG/Y4kAiuD6bayrwHMz1jHxqjfiz50D6c keUnrMlx6DJWgfPDcXfCDJq7CEbiW9NJoIoXggFuVF+AsKk/FygDsUKnjFnRRc0FoABJcVHeqHvthe gM3uj48ZvHP8ZHJBy42JOm70J+Fe+v8rf9qyjbthB4BHHt7wK6FS3uCktroMtYwhBg0qq3o9hcb/ER Q= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 22:40:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5881406ebc9c7_79e53ff8c86e9140351973 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think that the answer is blocking stream resets. That's taking a capability away from the transport that it needs to have independent of whatever needs the application protocol has. Instead, we need to devise a way to ensure that missing references are properly counted. In HTTP/2 we insisted that HPACK frames be processed even after a reset. That doesn't work here because they might not ever arrive and we can't insist that they be repaired either because the transport isn't aware of that. My only idea for solving this is a bad one: create a new frame type that is sent on the connection control stream that includes a list of tuples comprising a stream identifier, an index number and a count. That frame would only be sent for reset streams and it would include a total value for each stream. The problem that causes is that you need to maintain a per-stream counter of references to entries in the table, which - even if the count is only needed for active streams - really jacks up the per-entry overheads on the table. Note that we can't even use QUIC ACK frames to help determine if a HEADERS frame was processed, because that only indicates that the data was received, not processed. A reset stream will cause buffered data to be discarded, even if it was successfully delivered. As I think @krasic is pointing out, refusing a stream is a good way to indicate that processing didn't happen on a stream. We could infer that to mean that the references to the header table didn't happen either. That doesn't solve the problem though. On the contrary, it probably makes things worse by increasing complexity. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/176#issuecomment-273921800 ----==_mimepart_5881406ebc9c7_79e53ff8c86e9140351973 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't think that the answer is blocking stream resets. That's taking = a capability away from the transport that it needs to have independent of w= hatever needs the application protocol has. Instead, we need to devise a w= ay to ensure that missing references are properly counted.

In HTTP/2 we insisted that HPACK frames be processed even after a reset.= That doesn't work here because they might not ever arrive and we can't in= sist that they be repaired either because the transport isn't aware of that= .

My only idea for solving this is a bad one: create a new frame type that= is sent on the connection control stream that includes a list of tuples co= mprising a stream identifier, an index number and a count. That frame woul= d only be sent for reset streams and it would include a total value for eac= h stream. The problem that causes is that you need to maintain a per-strea= m counter of references to entries in the table, which - even if the count = is only needed for active streams - really jacks up the per-entry overheads= on the table.

Note that we can't even use QUIC ACK frames to help determine if a HEADE= RS frame was processed, because that only indicates that the data was recei= ved, not processed. A reset stream will cause buffered data to be discarde= d, even if it was successfully delivered.

As I think = @krasic is pointing out, refusing a stream is a good way to indicate th= at processing didn't happen on a stream. We could infer that to mean that = the references to the header table didn't happen either. That doesn't solv= e the problem though. On the contrary, it probably makes things worse by i= ncreasing complexity.

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= ----==_mimepart_5881406ebc9c7_79e53ff8c86e9140351973-- From nobody Thu Jan 19 14:41:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9515A12957D for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 14:41:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dxd1tJSe_IZJ for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 14:41:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFE791294F1 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 14:41:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 14:41:09 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1484865670; bh=p6dKpYbieG1m6aLQWgAamMezCtFD1RtpuOrV+PG1/Bw=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=RiihEjD/iagyMlJ+ZiwdkTOY3vYTLw8W1F/wdtvdtvdrMlxAyviqXYqubbCbKxSOp z7eEa6/zfynxcq1CXpIN6Od77oljKLonUBzCtFXpHRQN1VnJuwqOvtcJc6IrrtK3QH ufnvSYkspB92r9v1c0FbxrSAR6Gjykk9M0q9PTt0= From: Lucas Pardue To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] RST_STREAM breaks HPACK (#176) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58814085e8a8f_376a3fbea0c751341694a3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 22:41:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58814085e8a8f_376a3fbea0c751341694a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is that use case more the server is trying to open more than the clients max concurrent stream value? What is that value for chromium? Is it user = or origin configurable? In my use case, assume a client that sets a pretty normal max streams. We= have a naive server that "pushes everything" in response to page navigation. it doesn't have any cache digest like behaviour. It tries to promise a large number of streams but always within the max threshold. Th= is is pretty annoying for a client. Apologies if that use case is covered in code but I'm not familiar with i= t. On 19 Jan 2017 22:03, "krasic" wrote: > Well, at least in current Chromium, an excessive number of push promise= s > will lead to the promised streams being reset with QUIC_REFUSED_STREAM.= I > am the author of that particular bit of code. > > https://codesearch.chromium.org/chromium/src/net/quic/ > core/quic_client_session_base.cc?rcl=3D1484842630&l=3D97 > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you were mentioned. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/176#issuecomment-273921889= ----==_mimepart_58814085e8a8f_376a3fbea0c751341694a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is that use case more the server is trying to open more than the clients<= br> max concurrent stream value? What is that value for chromium? Is it user = or
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In my use case, assume a client that sets a pretty normal max streams. We=
have a naive server that "pushes everything" in response to pag= e
navigation. it doesn't have any cache digest like behaviour. It tries= to
promise a large number of streams but always within the max threshold. Th= is
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Apologies if that use case is covered in code but I'm not familiar wi= th it.

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Yes, the correct formulation here is: if a STREAM frame containing= octets that are greater in offset than the last octet in a closed stream= , then the receiver MUST terminate ... A receiver SHOULD retain a l= ast octet value for closed streams for a short period of time after they = close. This value is the largest received octet offset if the stream is = terminated by a STREAM frame containing a FIN bit; a peer will include th= is value in a RST_STREAM frame.

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Exceeding the concurrent stream limit is a straight up protocol error, w= hich needs to be handled by blowing the connection up.

I am thinking about this in more an abstract "who gets to kill streams" = framework. We might decide that only the application protocol decides when= streams are killed (for anything other than protocol violations, that is).= If we get to that point, then the idea that we can prohibit killing of co= ntrol streams might be OK. It's a pretty extreme reaction to what should b= e a solveable problem though and I'd like to at least try to find alternati= ve options.

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Oh @LPardu= e, with respect to the PUSH_PROMISE limiting issue, that's not really r= elevant to this discussion. The server can promise an unbounded number of = pushes and the client has to either suffer it or kill the connection. If y= ou think that's a bad design (I am inclined to agree that it's not great), = then please open another issue.

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I think that we can keep this editorial.

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----==_mimepart_5881483970eea_79eb3ff8c86e91406256dc-- From nobody Thu Jan 19 15:20:46 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E4D12968F for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:20:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.654 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U3jXW2h9WvEA for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:20:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 175AB12968A for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:20:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=c9h8B6wCsuzBSinAf5WCXh8/70I=; b=MCW37ZvU00HLEloM QpAlNXmwY8+TtOFVJ2ttNsRjm0H2jHNO8TcjRmkA3KwJkYegMkMLcxIEIMJbH+js Kj8fCjUwgfeEG/ijVWlzUTRCdADn80T8ufUZhfNXa2yrgsyoO1DjVMlOy52dju+Z 0d5RuXYiWE+EJLi0E8sWL5Rii/I= Received: by filter1114p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1114p1mdw1-17418-588149BF-B9 2017-01-19 23:20:31.769371952 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 4MmACo03SryHDpFtqjvV-g for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 23:20:31.633 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:20:31 -0800 From: Lucas Pardue To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] RST_STREAM breaks HPACK (#176) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_588149bf81f11_156a3fdadc7311345109e1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2ov5UPq9DP8KXVfRLHwWKMUjdb/Jl9BYiyRy BZvbTmUcvHCFH5zxcdO82KR8VMQBzw6IU7hHK/MQUWuw08mJ545CszJCHdFNcwJordMNmr4BqYc9gJ be0/nNsOqfulqW9uQ7O7RiXR8MAFmNCN0qjAHgDtcfcluu2QUfu/4q3lxm9Zp7K3CdeWDvJregamql Y= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 23:20:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_588149bf81f11_156a3fdadc7311345109e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just to clarify one point I was trying to make for my use case (annoying pushy server). Lets assume the client has a load of resources cached. In vanilla HTTP/2, the client could send RST_STREAM for all promised streams relating to things in its cache. Meaning you don't read headers or data (perhaps, depending on timings?) In the QUIC (as defined here), the client can only cancel the data stream. Making the server and client handle headers just for the sake of a compression layer? I don't think it warrants another issue creating, unless there's strong opinion to do so. Perhaps I can put a pin in this particular hypothetical issue until the real 176 issue is shaken out. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/176#issuecomment-273930050 ----==_mimepart_588149bf81f11_156a3fdadc7311345109e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just to clarify one point I was trying to make for my use case (annoying= pushy server). Lets assume the client has a load of resources cached.

In vanilla HTTP/2, the client could send RST_STREAM for all promised str= eams relating to things in its cache. Meaning you don't read headers or dat= a (perhaps, depending on timings?)

In the QUIC (as defined here), the client can only cancel the data stre= am. Making the server and client handle headers just for the sake of a comp= ression layer?

I don't think it warrants another issue creating, unless there's strong = opinion to do so. Perhaps I can put a pin in this particular hypothetical i= ssue until the real 176 issue is shaken out.

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Oh, I see what you are getting at: you are saying that it should be perf= ectly OK to pre-emptively reset a stream that never actually opens. I agre= e, but you don't ever know if it hasn't been started or not. That actually= suggests (to me at least), that #174 might contain the answer to that problem.

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I don't fully grok #17= 4 yet.

That said, the chromium QUIC code does indeed support pre-emptive reset = of streams, making sure that such streams can be reset before they are open= ed, and if necessary prevents them from opening after the reset. This was= indeed necessary for refusing excessive promised streams, and also for enf= orcing shared fate as I mentioned above.

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@krasic That's a possible option, but we still need to decide if the max stream number is 32 or 64 bits.

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Hopefully it's just a stopgap. I can writeup a PR before the interim if we'd like to discuss it there.

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Comment from @larseggert in = #159:

There already is a "DISCUSS_AND_REPLACE: Perhaps make this format simple= r" note in the spec about the homegrown floating point format used for ACK = timestamps. I just wanted to open a corresponding issue.

It would be really good if an encoding could be used that was either tri= vial to implement from scratch, or a standard for which code is readily ava= ilable.

As for the latter, the text in the spec sounds like what is desired is s= omething like the "binary16" format in IEEE 754-2008. I'd be great if this = could be used. Compiler support seems spotty/sketchy, e.g., gcc says this:<= /p>

The __fp16 type may only be used as an argument to intrinsics defined in= <arm_fp16.h>, or as a storage format. For purposes of arithmetic and= other operations, __fp16 values in C or C++ expressions are automatically = promoted to float.
And it's only supported on ARM, apparently.

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I know that this might be a hard decision to make, but we don't have many settings and it seems like we might be able to avoid changing them mid-connection.

Getting settings synchronization right is a pain and we really only have one that is ever likely to change and that's the header table size. We don't allow initial flow control windows to change (no mechanism exists to allow it), so I question whether that needs changing. If it does need to change, that would be for the same reason that the flow control window needs to change, which suggests we would need to devise a way to change those too.

SETTINGS_ACK is a huge amount of machinery. With 0-RTT, it will mean that just opening a connection will trigger a flurry of SETTINGS_ACK frames from the client just to respond to the server's connection preface (assuming that we're still keeping that, it's not clear).

On the other hand, if we reserved a space for application-specific traffic parameters (see #122), we could put the application-layer settings like header table size in the handshake. That has some downsides (client values would be unencrypted and you would need to include one set of parameters per application protocol on offer), but it means that there couldn't ever be any confusion about the value of a given setting once the connection was open.

That would be a huge simplification to the HTTP mapping.

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@LPardue can you open an issue to track the use of error codes with appropriate messages?

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See also #181.

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I don't believe that it is appropriate to have state transitions that aren't signaled to the remote peer. I propose removing these, which only requires that the state diagram be adjusted. This also closes #53, because that was the last diagram that exceeded the line length limits. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/182 -- Commit Summary -- * Remove app read_|write_close events from the state machine -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (80) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/182.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/182.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/182 ----==_mimepart_5881b681b37d1_574a3faabf1e913812734 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The app read_close and write_close events aren't defined any place other than a diagram. I don't believe that it is appropriate to have state transitions that aren't signaled to the remote peer.

I propose removing these, which only requires that the state diagram be adjusted.

This also closes #53, because that was the last diagram that exceeded the line length limits.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/182

Commit Summary

  • Remove app read_|write_close events from the state machine

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----==_mimepart_5881bcbd3855f_19be3f8f127111385304e9-- From nobody Thu Jan 19 23:34:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E967129A5A for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 23:34:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.038 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.038 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ikvau8quowdv for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 23:34:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext5.iad.github.net [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C0682129A50 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 23:34:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 23:34:26 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1484897666; bh=Z5QgAUaIICr/T/pYlAHVFAoEXCxk90XJZJSBxX505qo=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=duVc7yZvNkvVzMA/3wFhV2AtV4dYxBXICvlQa7HWOF9Of9ypzAIIp2sx9K+EAUZvz t9UYcPoSbK+R7efB6bme6toDxcFa5DGZtS71WTQm2nY/5mB3mOQJSObl69V8zM/xbd bJZB5XMc1NEi9lgIObYEsU1A4qsX9gRlh5hKOP/E= From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Path MTU Discovery (#64) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5881bd82d2cae_39f83f90cc0c51385913d1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 07:34:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5881bd82d2cae_39f83f90cc0c51385913d1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that #106 is closer now, we should discuss at the interim. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/64#issuecomment-273996749 ----==_mimepart_5881bd82d2cae_39f83f90cc0c51385913d1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think that #106 is closer now, we should discuss at the interim.

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----==_mimepart_5881bd82d2cae_39f83f90cc0c51385913d1-- From nobody Thu Jan 19 23:40:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5487129A82 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 23:40:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.251 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.251 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1P9DEoPYilNx for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 23:40:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D108B129A73 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2017 23:40:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=TLnGwkNXtVb68h/GsvIjzC13aHY=; b=OvK1Rbr103hbnxjn RFPnk8u/JOK1rdYjtvWMF5M3jHOPV1LiLbUKRs2CW65AcRew7JbTW7y/z8a+lzP3 buxR6LLzpaIcEPQMbeWa4n6kq4R+ULD/TY6fy5WzV7hsgMMTlG1XxFVRni4qJmc+ 2+5gsIXOzFGjmxMdXgsDBUpd4o8= Received: by filter0500p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0500p1mdw1-32288-5881BEE2-C 2017-01-20 07:40:18.371328381 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id -yq5yVtTRH2Zbwu78yHbeg for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 07:40:18.310 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 23:40:18 -0800 From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Inter-frame padding (#158) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5881bee239092_317e3f86f5e4f1407246bd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2yhizpRh7NpBYrj1AUc6cSBu+QKNzeFthgio 6xhHUfovn3JYsCY4sPyzR1ATgqJzjflYUv9aMRfu/nb7NRhq9Fc0KJK2huX7NbbZwepkXDhG78Uchi CBSWzHOSwm1clqo/16t/JDcAXrFhFIW6bKVcT2C3DuQak9WVu0ywFq7nODB3Oi6iaJ5L06VLF0102N 0= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 07:40:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5881bee239092_317e3f86f5e4f1407246bd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is actually a very simple fix for this, though it increases the work required to handle a packet: you could say that a PADDING frame is empty. I'm not convinced of the necessity though, is this because lengths occasionally need to grow? Can you identify the cases where this happens? FWIW, crypto shouldn't affect zero-copy because most AEAD implementations encrypt and decrypt in place. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/158#issuecomment-273997710 ----==_mimepart_5881bee239092_317e3f86f5e4f1407246bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

There is actually a very simple fix for this, though it increases the wo= rk required to handle a packet: you could say that a PADDING frame is empty= .

I'm not convinced of the necessity though, is this because lengths occas= ionally need to grow? Can you identify the cases where this happens?

FWIW, crypto shouldn't affect zero-copy because most AEAD implementation= s encrypt and decrypt in place.

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The question is whether we maintain TLS as some abstract concept or not.

We could talk about "the cryptographic handshake" and features that it provides in the abstract when referring to them in the transport document. Or we could just describe how this protocol works in concrete terms.

Proponents of the first seem to think that would make replacing TLS easier. Others disagree. Others think that replacing TLS would be a bad idea. Others think that replacing TLS is the only rational choice. Some people think that people who hold opposing opinions are completely nuts.

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This is getting to be a dependency of a lot of issues, let's try to close this off at the interim.

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----==_mimepart_5881c2354cba8_828e3ffccd85d1304823cf-- From nobody Fri Jan 20 00:39:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 735A3129AAB for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 00:39:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.656 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.656 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l6AFj4CVozN6 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 00:38:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext5.iad.github.net [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79B691293FE for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 00:38:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 00:38:58 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1484901538; bh=i8caD03zNffendeGnY7CXtMC5AVY5C9K8o4uUTru5kE=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ODBqkJb6iWF0A8giQrgdXSSQnAZUmbdL4IAPym6r1l8Gj6VbPoBsI5/kuLIbjxoDh BdaKe41AMh0EDv3zwAMHuHLEnpGmH3cz1PNiogHkvTg7p+syn+QQvsJUm0kVDJ4eVL 8andPWmGJJWWxKrQXJVU+rWM+xD8J8QU0XrAGZpc= From: Lars Eggert To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Inter-frame padding (#158) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5881cca29d616_503c3f98e375513c538741"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 08:39:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5881cca29d616_503c3f98e375513c538741 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, and empty PADDING frame would work, but you need to parse each byte of the padding then, which is not so great. I was thinking more about about a frame type prefix like STREAM and ACK have, and using the remaining bits to encode a length. I'm not sure I fully understand your comment about necessity. For an implementation where data is pre-placed into a packet buffer and the QUIC stack needs to prepend its headers. Because the buffers are statically DMA-mapped, the beginning of the buffer cannot be changed to account for the variable-length QUIC header from packet to packet. Therefore, the stack needs to leave some slack space for QUIC to use for its header, and pad the unused slack space until the beginning of the first STREAM frame (for which the app has placed the data already.) Let me try and draw something: also at fixed offset, but var. length fixed length headers | var. length v v v v v +----------+----+-----+--------+--------+--------+--------+ | | | | QUIC | ACK & | STREAM | app | | Ethernet | IP | UDP | common | other | hdr | stream | | | | | header | frames | | data | +----------+----+-----+--------+--------+--------+--------+ ^ ^ ^ | | placed at fixed offset before start of packet buffer (can't change) | calling into stack | placed at neg. offset from beginning of app data This is roughly what it looks like. On TX, the app needs to place the data for a stream frame at a fixed offset into the packet buffer that is larger than the network-layer plus QUIC headers (at least in the common case). The app then calls into the QUIC stack, which calls into the network stack to get Ethernet/IP/UDP headers stamped onto the buffer. Those are fixed length, so the QUIC stack can then place the QUIC common header at a known fixed offset. The QUIC common header and most other QUIC headers are variable-length though. Therefore, there will usually be a gap between the end of the QUIC headers and the beginning of the app-placed data (or more correctly, the beginning of the STREAM frame header for this data, which is placed at a negative offset from the beginning of the app data.) I need to pad that gap somehow, and the current PADDING frame isn't suitable. Finally, regarding in-place crypto: My comment on whether zero-copy is even worthwhile was trying to express than because crypto touches all bytes in the buffer already, they are in the CPU cachlines and a memory copy is therefore super cheap. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/158#issuecomment-274010446 ----==_mimepart_5881cca29d616_503c3f98e375513c538741 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, and empty PADDING frame would work, but you need to parse each by= te of the padding then, which is not so great. I was thinking more about = about a frame type prefix like STREAM and ACK have, and using the remaini= ng bits to encode a length.

I'm not sure I fully understand your comment about necessity. For an i= mplementation where data is pre-placed into a packet buffer and the QUIC = stack needs to prepend its headers. Because the buffers are statically DM= A-mapped, the beginning of the buffer cannot be changed to account for th= e variable-length QUIC header from packet to packet. Therefore, the stack= needs to leave some slack space for QUIC to use for its header, and pad = the unused slack space until the beginning of the first STREAM frame (for= which the app has placed the data already.)

Let me try and draw something:

                        also at fixed offset, but var. length
  fixed length headers  |        var. length
  v          v    v     v        v
+----------+----+-----+--------+--------+--------+--------+
|          |    |     | QUIC   | ACK &  | STREAM | app    |
| Ethernet | IP | UDP | common | other  | hdr    | stream |
|          |    |     | header | frames |        | data   |
+----------+----+-----+--------+--------+--------+--------+
^                                         ^        ^
|                                         |        placed at fixed offset=
 before
start of packet buffer (can't change)     |        calling into stack
                                          |
                                          placed at neg. offset from begi=
nning
                                          of app data

This is roughly what it looks like. On TX, the app needs to place the = data for a stream frame at a fixed offset into the packet buffer that is = larger than the network-layer plus QUIC headers (at least in the common c= ase). The app then calls into the QUIC stack, which calls into the networ= k stack to get Ethernet/IP/UDP headers stamped onto the buffer. Those are= fixed length, so the QUIC stack can then place the QUIC common header at= a known fixed offset. The QUIC common header and most other QUIC headers= are variable-length though. Therefore, there will usually be a gap betwe= en the end of the QUIC headers and the beginning of the app-placed data (= or more correctly, the beginning of the STREAM frame header for this data= , which is placed at a negative offset from the beginning of the app data= .)

I need to pad that gap somehow, and the current PADDING frame isn't su= itable.

Finally, regarding in-place crypto: My comment on whether zero-copy is= even worthwhile was trying to express than because crypto touches all by= tes in the buffer already, they are in the CPU cachlines and a memory cop= y is therefore super cheap.

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Yay, another vi versus emacs.

I'd submit that completely separate from how the protocol is normatively= defined in quic-transport, the exercise of talking about the cryptographic= handshake in the abstract (as well as the properties of the interface betw= een QUIC and TLS the cryptographic protocol TLS for s= tream/frame data) is useful its own right, in part to determine how in/depe= ndent the transport/crypto interface is on peculiarities of TLS.

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@marten-seemann and @janaiyengar Any reasons why this wouldn't be a good change?

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Would it be more sensible to close this once the error codes have either been defined (in the approprate I-D) or explicitly ignored?

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QUIC-TRANSPORT defines the syntax of QUIC error codes and defines some values for the QUIC transport. The section says:

This section lists the defined QUIC transport error codes that may be used in a CONNECTION_CLOSE or RST_STREAM frame. Error codes share a common code space. Some error codes apply only to either streams or the entire connection and have no defined semantics in the other context.

Since the error space is shared, it is not clear what error codes are appropriate to use with which frame types. There is the possibility for endpoints to send a semantically incorrect error code in a frame. How should a receiver handle such an occurrence?

This possibility exists only for the Application-specific, QUIC transport or Cryptographic error codes. Host-local error codes must not be sent.

As an example, an client sends a RST_STREAM frame with the error code QUIC_TOO_MANY_SESSIONS_ON_SERVER. Is this actually allowed and what should the server do (close the connection, igore it, ...)?

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@LPardue can you open an issue to track the use of error codes with appropriate messages?

I have create #184 to track this issue.

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In the server case, just saying "at least one handshake packet" frees us from having to second-guess the crypto. Given TLS 1.3, I imagine most servers will pad the ServerHello if it's not large enough already.

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= ----==_mimepart_588236b63af94_61ca3fa6400671304489c6-- From nobody Fri Jan 20 08:34:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52D3129674 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 08:34:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v9Qf65g3Qp68 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 08:34:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F44812950E for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 08:34:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=s8h5+vWk2ZbspfwWOS1D/OhuhCI=; b=Tp4z/nBhgSlTsdBR bW3nSFdzjzJ9imc4LljIu5mqa8WE8kNfHJdzn/YX9pauxWQhHnNs9ad2xTFARoQQ S/biosKWQ8Vctq2vJ2DMQ1rePoOMRd+CrNywhGCNJ43QeuE2IVH+G6+Wy7AXnxWH InsfpcEl8NgdvhVc08tOARrdXT4= Received: by filter0553p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0553p1mdw1-6664-58823C03-43 2017-01-20 16:34:11.393765551 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id tKw53nW9SvyprC2hmC9zTg for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 16:34:11.538 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 08:34:11 -0800 From: ianswett To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] SCUP (#117) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58823c036c92a_25723f8bdcbd11344511bb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0b4c2iJ1eupWaosa+pH0zvMz60bXhtlts6x1 VS6kThBhqpUi4AYlCF08+cG2SiWPUeOGs6Q4DH/LOGOQM9IMjsLGndNqGcGEbx97KA5N7VUBM+vwcF tQ27rR5t0QkQWtCXYmSHnxRHj48ubVFxPHP9as5U2Vm6bjPptIg9AC+5DKEfUbLb/g1tjIdwdOmm0p U= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 16:34:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58823c036c92a_25723f8bdcbd11344511bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We should remove it. We already have a way to send new resumption info via the crypto layer, so I think that completely replaces the SCUP functionality. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/117#issuecomment-274116732 ----==_mimepart_58823c036c92a_25723f8bdcbd11344511bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

We should remove it.

We already have a way to send new resumption info via the crypto layer, so I think that completely replaces the SCUP functionality.

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wrote:

> On the other hand, if we reserved a space for application-specific tra= ffic
> parameters (see #122 <https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/12= 2>),
> we could put the application-layer settings like header table size in = the
> handshake. That has some downsides (client values would be unencrypted= and
> you would need to include one set of parameters per application protoc= ol on
> offer), but it means that there couldn't ever be any confusion abo= ut the
> value of a given setting once the connection was open.
>
> That would be a huge simplification to the HTTP mapping.
>
>
It seems to have the consequence, though, that you must know which
applications are going to run at handshake time. If I start with HTTP but<= br> add DNS (not as DNS-over-HTTP, but as a DNS), then I must replace the
connection.

I'm also not thrilled with the client values being unencrypted here, is= n't
there a risk of fingerprinting as a result?

Ted

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@mar= tinthomson: re above I am thinking that if control str= eam is refused, it will try again later (on a new stream), so from HPACK vi= ew, the treatment is still in the spirit of control streams never get reset= ---any headers processed by the encoder must eventually be processed by the= decoder, although refused streams may add delay to that process. A key t= o making it tractable, is the point I've made that either both control and = data are accepted or both refused.

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= ----==_mimepart_58827660cfb38_7db83fbe741fb13056947-- From nobody Fri Jan 20 13:45:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E16741294B5 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 13:45:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.752 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.752 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YI5q0CS0dmOQ for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 13:45:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6EFCC1294A6 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 13:45:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 13:45:55 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1484948755; bh=s4VXHsUf5gVtSm9a4UcffDnHO/HPqLD242POuZaEPEY=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=RDGtKbXJNn5OhnNZ5Dmk7TcHNRp+80XDNEGwVjGxq0SoV9zbEbpKJd2Rbmuhmr/6v 63qdsnS9qa+vjUWQAoaGNWFyT9dp1Q+rB6vxFPbCEME2ryMZP0/cAIa95ZvwCSXtWO Qpg7UIM/Hk3C3ndFyKE0YdUxX/Y22uwO5lMBK1Go= From: martinduke To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] DoS using Version Negotiation Packets (#135) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_588285139b60f_13dd3f8002bb7134123230"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 21:45:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_588285139b60f_13dd3f8002bb7134123230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We're operating without a multipath draft that would clearly explain how this works, but I don't see why they have to be any more unique than over the IP addresses present at a particular host. In the unfortunate event that a second client tried to connect with a server with a connection ID already on that server, decryption would fail and the server would silently drop the packet. A good reason, I think, for subsequent ClientHellos to have a different connection ID. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/135#issuecomment-274188207 ----==_mimepart_588285139b60f_13dd3f8002bb7134123230 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We're operating without a multipath draft that would clearly explain h= ow this works, but I don't see why they have to be any more unique than o= ver the IP addresses present at a particular host.

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I suggest we incorporate this issue into #169

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There is a fifth (extremely improbable) possibility: the chosen connec= tion ID happens to have collided with a connection ID already active on t= he server, failed decryption, and been dropped. It might be good to chang= e the connection ID on subsequent ClientHellos.

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I've edited #169 to consider this possibility as well.

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Changing the connection id has a few negatives. One is that if the fi= rst packet isn't lost, it would create two connections. The second is th= at if the CHLO is lost, and the 0RTT packets are not, the second CHLO is = for a different connection, so the 0RTT packets are useless.

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= ----==_mimepart_5882896abc307_5a5d3f7ef87af13c321444-- From nobody Fri Jan 20 14:09:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42D091294ED for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 14:09:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.156 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.156 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XLzNMrFjbQjC for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 14:09:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F10B1294D5 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 14:09:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 14:09:03 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1484950143; bh=D8dKbHUrPdd589X9tQitnY+FWIkm+GVYIYKYjUFJGdk=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=kQfhQOq1C884Oyo6sfj18j73PK6B+sN0CplllW6/SGaDDh/TINuhn6Ef89Vu/09B/ Ep1Hh1Sx1BojCqUMQeQTeTJhPzYxVYl8xOy8HCVS9nk/2SjMAMYLkVR9BQ7eEaf0lJ kMiOJeOibub7fPuIQJOBItVvi2DRgyhO3PLuUrEw= From: MikkelFJ To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Time format (#109) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58828a7f979f8_3033f9f2e6dd1404756b1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 22:09:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58828a7f979f8_3033f9f2e6dd1404756b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I worked through the details before being pointed to this issue. I have attached a reference implemention that only lacks MSVC optimization. Mind you, it is very recent and has not been reviewed. While at first I found the format (I call uf16) to be quite daunting, overengineerd, an unclear, I now believe it is actually very well suited for the problem, and it is quite simple and fast to use if the the `uf16_encode` and `uf16_decode` functions are provided as an appendix. quoting parts of the attached uf16.h file and embedded comments below: ``` The IETF QUIC transport draft Nov. 2016 draft appears to provide an incorrect example of a delta encoded timestamp in the ACK Frame section. It is also not clear if the spec is otherwise the same as the Chromium implemention. The following definition attempts to make this more clear and follows the logic that Chromium implements as of Jan 2017. QUIC uses a custom floating point format uf16 to represent a non-negative time delta in microseconds. The uf16 format encodes an unsigned 16-bit floating point value with non-negative exponent and no special values(*). It can always be expanded into a 64-bit signed or unsigned integer. The format is a 16-bit encoded value v = e(5)f(11) or, when e < 2 a plain unsigned 12-bit integer v = 0(4)m(12). When v < 2^12 (and therefore e < 2), the resulting integer value becomes k = v with no interpretation. When e >= 2, the effective exponent becomes p = e - 1 and the mantissa, or effective fraction, becomes m = f + 2^11 which adds an implicit most significant fraction bit. Thus the resulting integer value becomes k = m * 2^p, p >= 1 or k = (f + 2^11) * 2^(e - 1), e >= 2. (*) The decoded value can comfortably be represented in a 64-bit signed or unsigned integer. When encoding an unsigned 64-bit value, any value that would overflow the 16-bit encoded representation is clamped to v = UF16_MAX = 2^16 - 1 = 0xFFFF, or k = UF16_UINT64_MAX = (2^12 - 1) * 2^30 = 0x3FFC0000000. On common unsigned twos complement 64-bit hardware decoding from uf16 can be computed as `if v < (1 << 12) then return v; else p = (v >> 11) - 1; m = (v - p) << 11; k = m << p; return k; endif`. Note that v - p exposes the implicit fraction bit while removing the explicit exponent. Likewise encoding to uf16 can be computed as `if k < (1 << 12) return k; else if k >= UF16_INT64_MAX then return UF16_MAX; else p = 64 - 12 - leading_zero_count_uint64(k); v = (p << 11) + (k >> p); return v; endif`. Note that adding (p << 11) intentionally overflows the implicit fraction bit and increments p by one. ``` quoting the actual encode without support for leading zero count included: ``` /* `__uf16_leading_zero_count_uint64` may be implemented with __builtin_clzll when available. */ #define UF16_MAX UINT16_C(0xFFFF) #define UF16_UINT64_MAX UINT64_C(0x3FFC0000000) static inline uint64_t uf16_decode(uint16_t v) { uint16_t p; uint64_t m; if (v < (1 << 12)) { return v; } p = (v >> 11) - 1; m = v - (p << 11); return m << p; } static uint16_t uf16_encode(uint64_t k) { uint16_t p, f; if (k < (1 << 12)) { return (uint16_t)k; } if (k >= UF16_UINT64_MAX) { return UF16_MAX; } p = (uint16_t)(64 - 12 - __uf16_leading_zero_count_uint64(k)); f = (uint16_t)(k >> p); return (p << 11) + f; } ``` [uf16.h.zip](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/files/720596/uf16.h.zip) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I worked through the details before being pointed to this issue.

I have attached a reference implemention that only lacks MSVC optimiza= tion. Mind you, it is very recent and has not been reviewed.

While at first I found the format (I call uf16) to be quite daunting, = overengineerd, an unclear, I now believe it is actually very well suited = for the problem, and it is quite simple and fast to use if the the = uf16_encode and uf16_decode functions are provided as= an appendix.

quoting parts of the attached uf16.h file and embedded comments below:= 

The IETF QUIC transport draft Nov. 2016 draft appears to provi=
de an
incorrect example of a delta encoded timestamp in the ACK Frame section.
It is also not clear if the spec is otherwise the same as the Chromium
implemention. The following definition attempts to make this more clear
and follows the logic that Chromium implements as of Jan 2017.


    QUIC uses a custom floating point format uf16 to represent a
    non-negative time delta in microseconds.

    The uf16 format encodes an unsigned 16-bit floating point value with
    non-negative exponent and no special values(*). It can always be
    expanded into a 64-bit signed or unsigned integer. The format is a
    16-bit encoded value v =3D e(5)f(11) or, when e < 2 a plain unsign=
ed
    12-bit integer v =3D 0(4)m(12). When v < 2^12 (and therefore e <=
; 2), the
    resulting integer value becomes k =3D v with no interpretation. When =
e >=3D
    2, the effective exponent becomes p =3D e - 1 and the mantissa, or
    effective fraction, becomes m =3D f + 2^11 which adds an implicit mos=
t
    significant fraction bit. Thus the resulting integer value becomes k =
=3D m
     * 2^p, p >=3D 1 or k =3D (f + 2^11) * 2^(e - 1), e >=3D 2.

    (*) The decoded value can comfortably be represented in a 64-bit sign=
ed
    or unsigned integer. When encoding an unsigned 64-bit value, any valu=
e
    that would overflow the 16-bit encoded representation is clamped to v=
 =3D
    UF16_MAX =3D 2^16 - 1 =3D 0xFFFF, or k =3D UF16_UINT64_MAX =3D (2^12 =
- 1) * 2^30
    =3D  0x3FFC0000000.

    On common unsigned twos complement 64-bit hardware decoding from uf16=

    can be computed as `if v < (1 << 12) then return v; else p =3D=
 (v >> 11) -
    1; m =3D (v - p) << 11; k =3D m << p; return k; endif`. N=
ote that v - p
    exposes the implicit fraction bit while removing the explicit exponen=
t.
    Likewise encoding to uf16 can be computed as `if k < (1 << 1=
2) return k;
    else if k >=3D UF16_INT64_MAX then return UF16_MAX; else p =3D 64 =
- 12 -
    leading_zero_count_uint64(k); v =3D (p << 11) + (k >> p);=
 return v;
    endif`. Note that adding (p << 11) intentionally overflows the =
implicit
    fraction bit and increments p by one.

quoting the actual encode without support for leading zero count inclu= ded:

/* `__uf16_leading_zero_count_uint64` may be implemented with =
__builtin_clzll when available. */

#define UF16_MAX UINT16_C(0xFFFF)
#define UF16_UINT64_MAX UINT64_C(0x3FFC0000000)

static inline uint64_t uf16_decode(uint16_t v)
{
    uint16_t p;
    uint64_t m;

    if (v < (1 << 12)) {
        return v;
    }
    p =3D (v >> 11) - 1;
    m =3D v - (p << 11);
    return m << p;
}

static uint16_t uf16_encode(uint64_t k)
{
    uint16_t p, f;

    if (k < (1 << 12)) {
        return (uint16_t)k;
    }
    if (k >=3D UF16_UINT64_MAX) {
        return UF16_MAX;
    }
    p =3D (uint16_t)(64 - 12 - __uf16_leading_zero_count_uint64(k));
    f =3D (uint16_t)(k >> p);
    return (p << 11) + f;
}

uf16.h.zip

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Good points, there are various considerations. I know that in some pri= or iteration Stateless Rejects proposed a new Connection ID, but that doe= sn't help us here.

Changing it on retransmission #1 is too much, for sure. Perhaps at some later stage, afte= r multiple CHLO retransmissions, the 0RTT data is more or less dead anywa= y. As the least probable cause, the response can come as a last-ditch eff= ort.

We don't have a multipath draft in scope, but if there was some sort o= f mechanism to report available addresses, that would allow us to disting= uish these packets as bad-luck CHLOs and SREJ them.

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It is also not clear if the spec is otherwise the same as the Chromium implemention. The following definition attempts to make this more clear and follows the logic that Chromium implements as of Jan 2017. QUIC uses a custom floating point format uf16 to represent a non-negative time delta in microseconds. The uf16 format encodes an unsigned 64-bit integer value k as an unsigned 16-bit floating point value v with non-negative exponent and no special values (*). The encoded format is either v = e(5)f(11), e >= 2, or a plain unsigned 12-bit integer v = 0(4)m(12), e <= 1. When v < 2^12 (and therefore e < 2), the resulting integer value becomes k = v with no interpretation. When e >= 2, the effective exponent becomes p = e - 1 and the mantissa, or effective fraction, becomes m = f + 2^11 which adds an implicit most significant fraction bit. Thus the resulting integer value becomes k = m * 2^p, p >= 1 or, equivalently, k = (f + 2^11) * 2^(e - 1), e >= 2, and k = v, e < 2. (*) The decoded value can comfortably be represented in a 64-bit signed or unsigned integer. When encoding an unsigned 64-bit value, any value that would overflow the 16-bit encoded representation is clamped to v = UF16_MAX = 2^16 - 1 = 0xFFFF or, correspondingly, k = UF16_UINT64_MAX = (2^12 - 1) * 2^30 = 0x3FFC0000000. On common hardware supporting unsigned 64-bit two's complement arithmetic, decoding from uf16 can be computed as `if v < (1 << 12) then return v; else p = (v >> 11) - 1; m = (v - p) << 11; k = m << p; return k; endif`. Note that v - p exposes the implicit fraction bit while removing the explicit exponent. Likewise, encoding to uf16 can be computed as `if k < (1 << 12) return k; else if k >= UF16_INT64_MAX then return UF16_MAX; else p = 64 - 12 - leading_zero_count_uint64(k); v = (p << 11) + (k >> p); return v; endif`. Note that adding (p << 11) intentionally overflows and hides the implicit fraction bit and increments the explicit exponent by one. `leading_zero_count_uint64(k)` implements `64 - log2_floor(k)` and is often a single machine instruction, sometimes provided as `__builtin_clzll` in C. ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/109#issuecomment-274208595 ----==_mimepart_58829f5082f91_1c9e3fce2bb5d13010555f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

static uint16_t uf16_encode(uint64_t k) =3D>
static inline uint16_t uf16_encode(uint64_t k)

Here is an updated wording:

The IETF QUIC transport draft Nov. 2016 draft appears to provide=
 an
incorrect example of a delta encoded timestamp in the ACK Frame section.
It is also not clear if the spec is otherwise the same as the Chromium
implemention. The following definition attempts to make this more clear
and follows the logic that Chromium implements as of Jan 2017.


    QUIC uses a custom floating point format uf16 to represent a
    non-negative time delta in microseconds.

    The uf16 format encodes an unsigned 64-bit integer value k as an
    unsigned 16-bit floating point value v with non-negative exponent
    and no special values (*). The encoded format is either v =3D
    e(5)f(11), e >=3D 2, or a plain unsigned 12-bit integer v =3D 0(4)m(=
12),
    e <=3D 1. When v < 2^12 (and therefore e < 2), the resulting i=
nteger
    value becomes k =3D v with no interpretation. When e >=3D 2, the
    effective exponent becomes p =3D e - 1 and the mantissa, or effective
    fraction, becomes m =3D f + 2^11 which adds an implicit most
    significant fraction bit. Thus the resulting integer value becomes k
    =3D m * 2^p, p >=3D 1 or, equivalently, k =3D (f + 2^11) * 2^(e - 1)=
, e >=3D
    2, and k =3D v, e < 2.

    (*) The decoded value can comfortably be represented in a 64-bit
    signed or unsigned integer. When encoding an unsigned 64-bit value,
    any value that would overflow the 16-bit encoded representation is
    clamped to v =3D UF16_MAX =3D 2^16 - 1 =3D 0xFFFF or, correspondingly, =
k =3D
    UF16_UINT64_MAX =3D (2^12 - 1) * 2^30 =3D 0x3FFC0000000.

    On common hardware supporting unsigned 64-bit two's complement
    arithmetic, decoding from uf16 can be computed as `if v < (1 <<=
; 12)
    then return v; else p =3D (v >> 11) - 1; m =3D (v - p) << 1=
1; k =3D m <<
    p; return k; endif`. Note that v - p exposes the implicit fraction
    bit while removing the explicit exponent. Likewise, encoding to uf16
    can be computed as `if k < (1 << 12) return k; else if k >=
=3D
    UF16_INT64_MAX then return UF16_MAX; else p =3D 64 - 12 -
    leading_zero_count_uint64(k); v =3D (p << 11) + (k >> p); r=
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    endif`. Note that adding (p << 11) intentionally overflows and hi=
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    the implicit fraction bit and increments the explicit exponent by
    one. `leading_zero_count_uint64(k)` implements `64 - log2_floor(k)`
    and is often a single machine instruction, sometimes provided as
    `__builtin_clzll` in C.

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Some path elements may need to statelessly identify an initial packet of a connection. These path elements could include load balancers and organization's border security systems. Ability to identify the initial packet may also be required for systems implementing Stateless Rejects #60.

Since QUIC allows for packet number truncation, the most straightforward way to identify the initial packet is by checking for packet number 1 and VERSION flag set.

Hence:

  • The language of section 6.1 Version Negotiation would need to change SHOULD to MUST in "All subsequent packets sent by the client SHOULD have the VERSION flag unset".
  • Section 6.1 Version Negotiation should also gain language like: "If Version negotiation is not complete in 2^6 packets, any endpoint MAY reset this connection". (This is a weaker statement than #143.)
  • Proposal in issue #35 is not compatible with this issue. If packet numbers are allowed to be deliberately skipped, we should require that packets with VERSION set MUST NOT be skipped.

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You're entirely correct that #35 is not compatible, but it's more fundamental: This = issue suggests that we make it possible to identify and act on a particul= ar packet when you're not a party to the connection; #35 suggests making it more difficu= lt to act on and therefore ossify an exposed protocol element.

I suspect you'll need to back up and motivate why we want to = allow path elements to identify a particular packet in a connection. "So= me... may need to" isn't a justification. My gut reaction is that load b= alancers at least should be statelessly operating on the connection ID it= self, whether it's the first packet or the billionth.

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@krasic= : At least in our implementation, "refused" meant that the HTTP request wo= uld be retried. That's a different thing than saying the exact HEADERS fra= me MUST be cached at the HTTP layer and re-sent on a different stream later= . What if you subsequently decide you don't need that data and don't want = to issue the request any more?

I'd like to see a solution where we can either guarantee delivery despit= e/before the RST, or make the header compression scheme resilient to lost p= ackets. @martinthomson's direction is somewhat promising, but it's worse than= that supposes. A RST_STREAM (or REQUEST_RST, if we take #171) could arrive after the app-layer h= as already fully sent and FIN'd its portion of the message. Will the app l= ayer even know if a stream is RST after it's done with it? If so, when doe= s the app know that the stream will definitely not be reset and th= erefore the per-stream state can be discarded? Also, what if it's the dele= te itself that went missing, so the decoder doesn't know it's waiting on a = particular number of references?

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Total top-of-my-head idea, possibly very bad side effects: What if th= e app can mark certain writes (in HTTP's case, anything with HPACK/QPACK = data) as required-to-deliver? The RST_STREAM could include both required= -to-deliver and final offsets. Final offset is still used for flow contr= ol, so sender pays for everything even if they don't RTD it.

The sender would continue to retransmit everything before the required= -to-deliver offset, and the receiver would surface the RST to the receivi= ng app at the first gap after the required-to-deliver offset. (This also= implies that only the sender can RST their direction, in the vein of REQ= UEST_RST.)

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= ----==_mimepart_5882ac1f25e33_76423fa49790713c1765bd-- From nobody Fri Jan 20 16:34:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6E5129613 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 16:34:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.752 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.752 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xpRTYTleU2-j for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 16:34:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext4.iad.github.net [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4AB171295EE for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 16:34:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 16:34:39 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1484958879; bh=c0vB28+HXrX/YsV3PQ6gVGw/YhuhXIaPnC5ieSPXNsM=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Mh5dRJMWUsTFGhyKK2QeyZ0Y4gdkuiraTNcK8KW41LgSpvRd01dfTwpE099hPPr+t HGtSOHI1H91GPXQm4dbTszuI0+jk6GBc0NhVchjNqzDmgkrpFe0Qv8bL86dlPnC5+G jEJjj14+IGbHtNsZ2v6xBmIsAOVTXjFmU1QNdp/s= From: Mike Bishop To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] RST_STREAM breaks HPACK (#176) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5882ac9fa2b8d_764b3fa49790713c116650"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 00:34:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5882ac9fa2b8d_764b3fa49790713c116650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Note that this is a more general problem -- if data gets discarded by the transport without tearing down the connection, maintaining shared state at the application layer becomes tricky. You can concentrate your state in a few "special" streams and say that if those streams ever get RST, it's a fatal error (we should have text to that effect about Stream 1 somewhere, incidentally!), or you can create a mechanism to differentiate really-reliable and mostly-reliable data. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/176#issuecomment-274215988 ----==_mimepart_5882ac9fa2b8d_764b3fa49790713c116650 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Note that this is a more general problem -- if data gets discarded by = the transport without tearing down the connection, maintaining shared sta= te at the application layer becomes tricky. You can concentrate your sta= te in a few "special" streams and say that if those streams ever get RST,= it's a fatal error (we should have text to that effect about Stream 1 so= mewhere, incidentally!), or you can create a mechanism to differentiate r= eally-reliable and mostly-reliable data.

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@Mike= Bishop but refused is explicitly defined in a way that it is safe to = retry, precisely because there is no way of leaking into application leve= l state:

The REFUSED_STREAM error code can be included in a RST_STREAM
frame to indicate that the stream is being closed prior to any
processing having occurred. Any request that was sent on the
reset stream can be safely retried.

Aside from refused, I think that there is any other form of reset need= ed for the headers/control streams. If we stick to that, the complexity = for HPACK can be kept way down.

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= ----==_mimepart_5882adc77a8d1_68bc3fb0cf339130126293-- From nobody Fri Jan 20 17:31:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 578DF129630 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 17:31:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1uO5x6v57ZkR for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 17:31:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9DBD12961D for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 17:31:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 17:31:49 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1484962309; bh=cJtl3HD8aZl7h7mIYXPhYO8sisrG+HK/PmlQlIreY04=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=CSIW+D8t6MSyAQvEY56U0OGZMFWPuxwftJ37mvRiEGBwlnEfJmCIbx6yke5W8j3BO STcyPmaGD2Gjw8oqioTxV+u0zrlK7/fZ+ri8TZD7nfbsmnHzBNtY56wwrrTFQ8wudQ qRAOfuaDCnP3IW9T1+PJTk7cDRBuAqC7CehX/Xms= From: Igor Lubashev To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Reliable identification of the initial packet for a connection (#185) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5882ba05c82ee_1cce3f7e5f24313850717"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 01:31:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5882ba05c82ee_1cce3f7e5f24313850717 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I suspect you'll need to back up and motivate why we want to allow path elements to identify a particular packet in a connection. Certainly. Let's take a load balancer system. Think [LVS](http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/) or [Google Maglev](https://research.google.com/pubs/pub44824.html). These systems consist of multiple machines serving as load balancers, each with imperfect availability, and packets belonging to a single connection may arrive at different load balancer servers. These load balancers are _not_ proxies. They are more like routers. They do not terminate connections but rather forward packets to the appropriate backend servers. Load balancer's job is to: a) For a new connection, select an appropriate server to handle it, and b) Keep sending all packets that are a part of the connection to the same server, and c) Keep doing (b) even if the set of machines eligible to serve new connections of this type changes dynamically (say, every second) To do its job, at a minimum, the load balancer needs to identify new connections (a). Identifying first packet (subject of this issue) is trivial with TCP (SYN). It should be trivial with QUIC, too. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/185#issuecomment-274222247 ----==_mimepart_5882ba05c82ee_1cce3f7e5f24313850717 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I suspect you'll need to back up and motivate why we want to allow pat= h elements to identify a particular packet in a connection.

Certainly. Let's take a load balancer system. Think LVS or Google Maglev. These systems consist of mu= ltiple machines serving as load balancers, each with imperfect availabili= ty, and packets belonging to a single connection may arrive at different = load balancer servers.

These load balancers are not proxies. They are more like rout= ers. They do not terminate connections but rather forward packets to the = appropriate backend servers.

Load balancer's job is to:
a) For a new connection, select an appropriate server to handle it, and b) Keep sending all packets that are a part of the connection to the same= server, and
c) Keep doing (b) even if the set of machines eligible to serve new conne= ctions of this type changes dynamically (say, every second)

To do its job, at a minimum, the load balancer needs to identify new c= onnections (a). Identifying first packet (subject of this issue) is trivi= al with TCP (SYN). It should be trivial with QUIC, too.

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Agreed. BLOCKED is described as a useful debugging tool. It should not= be a MUST.

In fact, I'd go further and change BLOCKED frame type into DEBUG frame= type and allow DEBUG frames to carry key/value pairs. Some keys could be= "well-known" (BLOCKED). Others could be user-defined. This could quickly= evolve into an even more useful debugging tool, possibly with the client= s having an ability to turn up and down transport's "DEBUG levels".

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The specification allows endpoints to specify the maximum number of concurrent streams (MSPC), but should not the spec provide for the minimum value of MSPC that all endpoints must support? If the minimum is 1 (excluding "service" streams), it would be good for the spec to state so explicitly.

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----==_mimepart_5882c06450a49_68a43fbb7f3f51401047b3-- From nobody Fri Jan 20 17:59:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42FC8129634 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 17:59:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=mnot=mnot.net@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UBx6twqfUZGJ for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 17:59:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from m69-170.mailgun.net (m69-170.mailgun.net [166.78.69.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8EC0D12961D for ; 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There is already an error code field (and a robust discussion in #19 and #184 about its values). "Reason Phrase" seems like optional textual debug information (in what language?). This is actually another case for a generalized DEBUG frame (see #65). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/187 ----==_mimepart_5882c35e50d6f_1b293fbb7f3f514084425 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The inclusion of "Reason Phrase" is CONNECTION_CLOSE and GOAWAY frames seems unnecessary and its normative usage uncertain. There is already an error code field (and a robust discussion in #19 and #184 about its values).

"Reason Phrase" seems like optional textual debug information (in what language?). This is actually another case for a generalized DEBUG frame (see #65).

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Edited the above text, added MSVC support stolen from llvm headers, mo= ved from leading_zero_count to using logbase2 in algorithm, and cleaned u= p reference implementation so it is self-contained. Reference pasted belo= w and optimized version with test attached.

#include <stdint.h>

#define UF16_MAX UINT16_C(0xFFFF)
#define UF16_UINT64_MAX UINT64_C(0x3FFC0000000)

/*
 * Preferable provide builtin version when avaible.
 * Only needs to be implemented for [2^12 .. UF16_UINT64_MAx]
 */
#ifndef uf16_logbase2_floor

/* Returns 0 when `k =3D=3D 0`. */
static inline int __uf16_logbase2_floor_reference(uint64_t k)
{
    k |=3D (k >> 1);
    k |=3D (k >> 2);
    k |=3D (k >> 4);
    k |=3D (k >> 8);
    k |=3D (k >> 16);
    k |=3D (k >> 32);
    k -=3D (k >> 1) & UINT64_C(0x5555555555555555);
    k =3D (k & UINT64_C(0x3333333333333333)) + =

        ((k >> 2) & UINT64_C(0x3333333333333333));
    k =3D (k + (k >> 4)) & UINT64_C(0x0f0f0f0f0f0f0f0f);
    k =3D (k * UINT64_C(0x0101010101010101)) >> 56;
    return k;
}

#define uf16_logbase2_floor(k) __uf16_logbase2_floor_reference(k)

#endif /* uf16_logbase2_floor */

static inline uint64_t uf16_decode(uint16_t v)
{
    uint16_t p;
    uint64_t m;

    if (v < (1 << 12)) {
        return v;
    }
    p =3D (v >> 11) - 1;
    m =3D v - (p << 11);
    return m << p;
}

static inline uint16_t uf16_encode(uint64_t k)
{
    uint16_t p, f;

    if (k < (1 << 12)) {
        return (uint16_t)k;
    }
    if (k >=3D UF16_UINT64_MAX) {
        return UF16_MAX;
    }
    p =3D (uint16_t)(uf16_logbase2_floor(k) - 12);
    f =3D (uint16_t)(k >> p);
    return (p << 11) + f;
}

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Discovered that logbase2 can work in 32-bits and debruijn is then very f= ast.
I have edited the above code snippet reference text to match content of att= ached file.

I did some benchmarks. Each encode/decode operation consumes less than 5= ns with the reference deBruijn logbase2 implementation, and about 3.5ns wit= h clang __builtin_clz. Using the k>>12 trick before logbase2 really a= dded performance. On unoptimized builds the encode/decode operation is abou= t 30ns default, and 20ns builtin.

Considering the heaviest operation is a 32-bit multiplication, or altern= atively, a 32-bit leading zero bit count instruction, I'd say its fast enou= gh for most use cases.

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Commit Summary

  • Frame type is already defined, don't repeat
  • Don't repeat how StreamID len is determined (other fields don't)
  • Fix a bunch of typos
  • Use "a RST_STREAM ..." for consistency
  • Fix grammer by adding some words
  • Don't repeat subject
  • Fix more typos
  • Somehow this sentence sounds weird, improve wording
  • Saying "cumulative" once is enough I reckon
  • Fix pseudo-code indentation

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The bit format is loosely > modeled after IEEE 754. For example, 1 microsecond is represented as > 0x1, which has an exponent of zero, presented in the 5 high order > bits, and mantissa of 1, presented in the 11 low order bits. First observe that the explicit, or encoded exponent e in my description only apply when e >= 2, but it is valid include e >= 1 because the computation in either branch results in the same value, it is just more efficient to branch at e >= 2, and this is also what Chromium implements. > When the explicit exponent is greater than zero, an implicit high-order > 12th bit of 1 is assumed in the mantissa. This is only half-true. In fact the effective exponent is always one less than the explicit exponent, so we have effective exponents that are 0 and -1 as well, but it is much more efficient to implement the case e >= 2 separately and documenting the format otherwise is not really helpful to implementers. The next section is wrong: > For example, a floating > value of 0x800 has an explicit exponent of 1, as well as an explicit > mantissa of 0, but then has an effective mantissa of 4096 (12th bit > is assumed to be 1). The explicit exponent is 1, and the implicit 12'th fraction bit has the value 2^11 = 2048. The effective exponents is one less, so it is 0. Hence the resulting value is 2048 which is also a test case in my attached utf16.h file. > Additionally, the actual exponent is one-less > than the explicit exponent, This is correct. It is always one less. > and the value represents 4096 microseconds. Incorrect. It represents 2048 microseconds. > Any values larger than the representable range are > clamped to 0xFFFF. Correct. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In addition, I can now say exactly what is wrong in the spec - the first= section is correction:

The time format used in the ACK frame above is a 16-bit unsigned
float with 11 explicit bits of mantissa and 5 bits of explicit
exponent, specifying time in microseconds. The bit format is loosely
modeled after IEEE 754. For example, 1 microsecond is represented as
0x1, which has an exponent of zero, presented in the 5 high order
bits, and mantissa of 1, presented in the 11 low order bits.

First observe that the explicit, or encoded exponent e in my description= only apply when e >=3D 2, but it is valid include e >=3D 1 because t= he computation in either branch results in the same value, it is just more = efficient to branch at e >=3D 2, and this is also what Chromium implemen= ts.

When the explicit exponent is greater than zero, an implicit high-order=
12th bit of 1 is assumed in the mantissa.

This is only half-true. In fact the effective exponent is always one les= s than the explicit exponent, so we have effective exponents that are 0 and= -1 as well, but it is much more efficient to implement the case e >=3D = 2 separately and documenting the format otherwise is not really helpful to = implementers.

The next section is wrong:

For example, a floating
value of 0x800 has an explicit exponent of 1, as well as an explicit
mantissa of 0, but then has an effective mantissa of 4096 (12th bit
is assumed to be 1).

The explicit exponent is 1, and the implicit 12'th fraction bit has the = value 2^11 =3D 2048.
The effective exponents is one less, so it is 0. Hence the resulting value = is 2048 which is also a test case in my attached utf16.h file.

Additionally, the actual exponent is one-less
than the explicit exponent,

This is correct. It is always one less.

and the value represents 4096 microseconds.

Incorrect. It represents 2048 microseconds.

Any values larger than the representable range are
clamped to 0xFFFF.

Correct.

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I don't think this issue has much effect on QUIC's HTTP mapping. It's r= elatively easy to layer a smaller stream ID space(ie: 31 bits) onto a large= r one(ie: 64 bits), and it seems likely the HTTP mapping for QUIC will cons= ume 2 QUIC streams per HTTP stream, so even 32 bits is only 31 for HTTP.

One thought(not sure if it's a good one yet): Allow 64 bit stream ids an= d use 8, 16, 32, 64 bits in the framing, but negotiate the max stream ID fo= r a given connection in the handshake. For over 99.9% of connections, more= than 32 bits is overkill, but there may be use cases it's really helpful.<= /p>

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One more reason for changing SHOULD to MUST of section 6.1 Version Neg= otiation in "All subsequent packets sent by the client SHOULD have the VE= RSION flag unset".

In draft-ietf-quic-tls-01, 6.1.1. Initial Key Transitions, we= require:

Packets protected with 1-RTT keys have a KEY_PHASE bit set to 1. These= packets also have a VERSION bit set to 0.

If I understand it correctly, TLS 1-RTT keys should be available at th= e same time as the completion of the Version negotiation. So changing of = SHOULD to MUST is mandated by draft-ietf-quic-tls-01 (6.1.1). Right?

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If we want to make identification easier, I'd suggest when the version= bit is set, we also include 4 fixed bytes that identify the protocol as = QUIC. I'd suggest the string QUIC, so it is easy to identify in wireshar= k as well.

I have mixed feelings on making it easier to identify UDP traffic QUIC= , but I think it's going to be a thing people will do, so I'd rather have= them latch onto an explicit signal than hardcode the version number or s= omething worse.(public flags anyone...)

Two notes:

  1. Initial packets from the client cannot have a truncated connection ID= , because the peer has to inform you it's acceptable in the handshake.
  2. There are proposals to randomize the initial packet number, so relyin= g on it being packet number 1 would conflict with that.

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The issue is being able to identify new client connections statelessly (just by observing the packets). This is needed for load balancers. As a load balancer I want to know whether I need to: - pick a backend server for this connection (i.e. processing "TCP SYN" or "QUICK packet 1"), or - try to identify which backend server is already handling this connection and forward the packet that way ("TCP ACK or RST" or "QUICK packet > 1"). This is especially important, since I would like to keep load balancers stateless and will want to use "Stateless Reject" to encode the load balancing decision for a particular connection. So I need to be able to statelessly identify initial packets and send "Stateless Reject" to them. draft-ietf-quic-tls-01 already requires (6.1.1. Initial Key Transitions) that packets without 0-RTT protection have KEY_PHASE=0, VERSION=1; with 0-RTT have KEY_PHASE=1, VERSION=1; with 1-RTT have KEY_PHASE=1, VERSION=0. So I would like to bring draft-ietf-quic-transport-01 is agreement with draft-ietf-quic-tls-01 and make setting VERSION=0 a MUST instead of SHOULD. If there is a strong desire (for a good reason) to randomize the initial packet number, I think I can live with it, and send "Stateless Rejects" to all packets with KEY_PHASE=0, VERSION=1. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/185#issuecomment-274375420 ----==_mimepart_5885568de3595_16dd3fa3588fb138416219 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The issue here is not identifying traffic as QUIC (it could be a differe= nt issue).

The issue is being able to identify new client connections statelessly (= just by observing the packets).

This is needed for load balancers. As a load balancer I want to know whe= ther I need to:

  • pick a backend server for this connection (i.e. processing "TCP SYN" or= "QUICK packet 1"), or
  • try to identify which backend server is already handling this connectio= n and forward the packet that way ("TCP ACK or RST" or "QUICK packet > 1= ").

This is especially important, since I would like to keep load balancers = stateless and will want to use "Stateless Reject" to encode the load balanc= ing decision for a particular connection. So I need to be able to stateless= ly identify initial packets and send "Stateless Reject" to them.

draft-ietf-quic-tls-01 already requires (6.1.1. Initial Key Transitions)= that packets without 0-RTT protection have KEY_PHASE=3D0, VERSION=3D1; wit= h 0-RTT have KEY_PHASE=3D1, VERSION=3D1; with 1-RTT have KEY_PHASE=3D1, VER= SION=3D0.

So I would like to bring draft-ietf-quic-transport-01 is agreement with = draft-ietf-quic-tls-01 and make setting VERSION=3D0 a MUST instead of SHOUL= D.

If there is a strong desire (for a good reason) to randomize the initial= packet number, I think I can live with it, and send "Stateless Rejects" to= all packets with KEY_PHASE=3D0, VERSION=3D1.

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Moves references to informational references, clarifies that SRTT and RTTVar are computed based on an RFC, and adds todos for the congestion control section for anything formerly in the references section.

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For instance, in S 5.1

Flags (8)

And yet flags is mandatory. Are there any variable length fields that aren't of the 8/16/.. variety?

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S 5.2.1 contains a bunch of instructions for how to deal with packet number 2^64 but (for instance) the connection flow control window is 64-bits in absolute values, so given that we're mostly sending data, it seems improbable you will get to 2^64 packets.

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----==_mimepart_5885875e39052_7bc53fcf299711381799f6-- From nobody Sun Jan 22 20:41:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA57129AC6 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2017 20:41:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.673 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.673 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cOU81Z95K0WB for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2017 20:41:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 183C91295A4 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2017 20:41:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=J37UdQQMUjwJoxLmuRK5HJ5gKnE=; b=Gy4EZux/qaGNVyKO ufuoVzgTXRIkeAK1/4z7sMcI9WbC7a6QR2makYW4kcDvTUafwtdqHygTX7e/VHu3 PmU00BCNanufgM/uCqNe8/RSMVBa6PpJ6rXMgOrG1OIL+lTzKWvjfS1cxJxV4EWC zS1AOf/eW5w1YcgM0WjfEdoOE1A= Received: by filter0414p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0414p1mdw1-21835-58858990-15 2017-01-23 04:41:52.428931931 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id mkTS7EeQQ-e3468IVP31Ew for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 04:41:51.997 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 20:41:51 -0800 From: ekr To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Flags section is kind of confusing (#193) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5885898fe2157_2338a3f8ddcdd313891965"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0E+HXKwu/GZKxfHoovM1pN8IgOpvWD29JoQH X8A7X6yWeEYSeUVmOxS7hC/wun8JRSD36li4Ft8T0HzfLHJTjEPfLe9ErREHtOc87u2dLj4V8wGd+I /XALskp4zwt8ZClgvbDjIw8c+7AmQmjIpjDFIrNY8YevhOcHFK3J5NnXnQ== Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 04:41:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5885898fe2157_2338a3f8ddcdd313891965 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The formatting of the flags word section is kind of confusing. Rather than presenting things as hex, I think I would just do a bit diagram like in other flags sections. I can provide a PR if the editors want. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/193 ----==_mimepart_5885898fe2157_2338a3f8ddcdd313891965 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The formatting of the flags word section is kind of confusing. Rather than presenting things as hex, I think I would just do a bit diagram like in other flags sections. I can provide a PR if the editors want.

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----==_mimepart_5885898fe2157_2338a3f8ddcdd313891965-- From nobody Sun Jan 22 20:45:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 143B5129AC8 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2017 20:45:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cdVPVtOfG9CW for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2017 20:45:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A42761295A4 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2017 20:45:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=ODCeLKYiyuLmyHvLDPTFbWHiNrQ=; b=INs0iV/2Zr/B8jeA Shk2tvzD4Sq01wC5wtGmbc6Gkp2QidW1obKYA+Sog0D7EEEVIidJ7p8TvCTnzttO AR+3r6Xh7HVZ4Jp5JvjnkUkFvj53XkDnjg9BI6FHkvcNH2WS1Yqqy59A9v5uzmQE /JMFY+cpGNsy9Ywbw65UuffC3qE= Received: by filter0980p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0980p1mdw1-887-58858A71-56 2017-01-23 04:45:38.005323254 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id L62LxKrdRnWxZaD7A6bEUg for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 04:45:37.832 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 20:45:37 -0800 From: ekr To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Frames should have a length field (#194) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58858a71b8a71_127d3fc18a09f1383614ef"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2a4cbopfDtlzM7MS+5gv7GB+Jb8o8US8FWSV Z3Kq6gNW/sYnHKNg5IrvQL7mNfplDmAU/krnC/YgOWw6gkcmu8dgBWjRIRlrffh8DNoS1b1lhBHzqS tyFXZP06HaxfcKPXFoBCgIzI2VDu7+5OySCiK8K0yPHnIsT5APopNvEByA== Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 04:45:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58858a71b8a71_127d3fc18a09f1383614ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In S 5.2.2 QUIC frames are currently specified without any length field. This means that it's not possible to skip over unknown frame types. There are at least two reasons why this is inconvenient: - It makes it hard to write passive analysis tools because those tools will just choke if they encounter unrecognized frames (they cannot process the rest of the packet). - It makes it hard to skip over frames you don't care about without parsing them. BLOCKED is a good example of such a frame currently -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/194 ----==_mimepart_58858a71b8a71_127d3fc18a09f1383614ef Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In S 5.2.2 QUIC frames are currently specified without any length field. This means that it's not possible to skip over unknown frame types.

There are at least two reasons why this is inconvenient:

  • It makes it hard to write passive analysis tools because those tools will just choke if they encounter unrecognized frames (they cannot process the rest of the packet).
  • It makes it hard to skip over frames you don't care about without parsing them. BLOCKED is a good example of such a frame currently

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If a client sends a packet with an unknown version and a forged source address, it can use it to mount a reflection DoS onto some victim machine. This is only really useful if:

(a) the server has a big version list (so the packet is big)
(b) the server doesn't require the client to pad out to ~1MTU.

Is (b) documented somewhere? The spec suggests that I can send a short packet with a bogus version and the server MUST respond

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"
When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet from the
server, it should select an acceptable protocol version. If the
server lists an acceptable version, the client selects that version
and resends all packets using that version. The resent packets MUST
use new packet numbers. These packets MUST continue to have the
VERSION flag set and MUST include the new negotiated protocol
version."

There might be some packets which should not be re-sent if, for instance, they are not relevant for this version of QUIC

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The present text strongly suggests that I should be sending blocked every time I get new data:

A sender sends a BLOCKED frame (type=0x05) when it is ready to send
data (and has data to send), but is currently flow control blocked.

If the idea is that it should be edge triggered rather than level triggered, the text should say so

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There is a two byte length field. Surely a 256-byte reason phrase is long enough.

Also, are these in ASCII? UTF-8?

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I think it would be good to make padding the responsibility of the crypto layer. TLS already has a reasonable padding scheme which we can just steal here.

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Consider the following sequence of events on a stream (assuming that MSPC allows exactly one application data stream in the C-S direction:

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If you get reordering between the FIN and the data then the server will see it as exceeding MSPC and send QUIC_TOO_MANY_OPEN_STREAMS. Ugh.

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And if so in which directions?

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----==_mimepart_5885914b588bf_7e2a3fc70cc31140187479-- From nobody Sun Jan 22 21:20:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BCED129AD2 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2017 21:20:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.251 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.251 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EMPTsusMTm-E for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2017 21:20:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FD4A129ACF for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2017 21:20:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=Phs0NDiwj7zt02yECEvJdJAiDzM=; b=aR4lLlAlzwGsCCtl 02LVlhTj5KURl0nearte39RPH5YKfrlvAKNPPFg6JTetOXCFhVmKakw6OBtSZHRi XhyrYcXnGRRVicJ48UjTf/sGVP1iDaLF9JFC20W6+b5/kmZH+qdlhEQ6d9ldNuqq Hq+IzwHJ20BBV6mB9K/8rEhJ2xk= Received: by filter0643p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0643p1mdw1-27562-588592A9-27 2017-01-23 05:20:41.595211212 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id IIl803CBRCacTXLfBEppeA for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 05:20:41.485 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 21:20:41 -0800 From: ekr To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Move padding to the crypto layer (#197) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_588592a9578e9_8ef3fea38eff1346436be"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak29QIZ/Ee8aeKz9nEYdzNQgBaQMQyxWE3VOht x9HT7NSd52lhoDPeSJucUJODEOu7sWWf/KgRwV7P86+K6fKX/ZZh3bGr2jSx4kAJrxkG/C9ztQ9DoG 0eBZUzbftrOdUeVVJDwpwmI+VhBEijGh5JRXv1fZq2AA+c4GvEb1JQcwFw== Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 05:20:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_588592a9578e9_8ef3fea38eff1346436be Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry, I'm not following your comment here, so maybe you need to expand a bit. Is your point that you intend to use the S 7.7 padding to force the CH-containing frame to be ~1MTU and that you need to adjust it during CH/HRR? In any case, in the same way as TLS makes a distinction between padding for the first handshake message (CH) and generic record padding, it seems like it might be good for QUIC to do the same, and pad all encrypted data in the encryption layer. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/197#issuecomment-274402795 ----==_mimepart_588592a9578e9_8ef3fea38eff1346436be Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry, I'm not following your comment here, so maybe you need to expand = a bit. Is your point that you intend to use the S 7.7 padding to force the = CH-containing frame to be ~1MTU and that you need to adjust it during CH/HR= R?

In any case, in the same way as TLS makes a distinction between padding = for the first handshake message (CH) and generic record padding, it seems l= ike it might be good for QUIC to do the same, and pad all encrypted data in= the encryption layer.

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After completing version negotiation, there should not be any unrecogniz= ed frame types. A peer receiving an unknown frame type should treat this as= an error and close the connection.

There's no overhead in reading a BLOCKED frame, since it has a fixed len= gth anyway (5 bytes: 1 flag byte and 4 bytes for the stream ID). But even i= f it hadn't, the overhead to parse it and skip it seems negligible to addin= g 2 bytes (per frame) to indicate the length of a frame.

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Oh, sorry, I completely misunderstood your ticket! Please ignore me. (I thought you were referring to using RFC 7685 to pad the initial packet which wouldn't work without changes.)

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----==_mimepart_5885948b995cb_53f23fea38eff134283716-- From nobody Sun Jan 22 21:32:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69DA3129AD4 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2017 21:32:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.155 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.155 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NT9Ia7BV9Wvx for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2017 21:32:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C224129AD3 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2017 21:32:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 21:32:55 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1485149575; bh=VcFakQdXUTpKJru0ZBzXEccT+n29uocGjEBENQqqtxs=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zcelvvjA9fSWLPSaNW4QlkFWwMs0e3W2/lTHhMf7B2bR39sCEjyBfvU34oT6QFOFf bOonEMn8GEfPuhHIt9j6qIGGo/t/LdEYPt6WrXMzWbIT3NmQxOKtOFNQMSObrwAFS1 sQm9fDC2vT3cpoWwSI9AydxG/spJkSUPjGBOMfkQ= From: Marten Seemann To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Move padding to the crypto layer (#197) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_588595872faf3_12a43fc18a09f138597545"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 05:32:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_588595872faf3_12a43fc18a09f138597545 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think PADDINGs are supposed to be a countermeasure to traffic pattern analysis. For example, a peer could pretend to be doing an upload when in reality all it doing is sending ACKs for a download and a lot of PADDINGs. I'm not sure if this is possible with TLS 1.3, but since the spec doesn't require TLS, but just any appropriate crypto protocol, this shouldn't be an argument to remove the PADDING frame (unless you make the ability to send arbitrary padding a requirement for **any** crypto protocol that can be used for QUIC). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/197#issuecomment-274403956 ----==_mimepart_588595872faf3_12a43fc18a09f138597545 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think PADDINGs are supposed to be a countermeasure to traffic patter= n analysis. For example, a peer could pretend to be doing an upload when = in reality all it doing is sending ACKs for a download and a lot of PADDI= NGs.

I'm not sure if this is possible with TLS 1.3, but since the spec does= n't require TLS, but just any appropriate crypto protocol, this shouldn't= be an argument to remove the PADDING frame (unless you make the ability = to send arbitrary padding a requirement for any crypto p= rotocol that can be used for QUIC).

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= ----==_mimepart_588595872faf3_12a43fc18a09f138597545-- From nobody Sun Jan 22 21:37:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF80D129AD8 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2017 21:37:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.752 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.752 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mWJhnVcfqb-6 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2017 21:37:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38D70129AD5 for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2017 21:37:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 21:37:36 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1485149856; bh=LnElfykzslzkZFhtD8gwF1y6cbr+8vHrPY/ft3q20c8=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=cyAbPigjyQ+7bZbcYfMheEikdjGXsW4r5oX4mZu5W49Bak3o2UIEpMSZ+mzF3PWPo 7wIZY6cqBxjEA94hiusIk5Sn9+c4qGw/hpcyP0WAoCfnCI/G099P9Pg6tgYUMSbDZy OyV813W/2hM7sL+FEtXZObqQoFDal8FMsgg3IW2w= From: Marten Seemann To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Do streams 0 and 1 count towards MSPC? (#201) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_588596a06b352_70f53f8e3e131134263663"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 05:37:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_588596a06b352_70f53f8e3e131134263663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think there's a stream 0 (however, I find the wording in the [Stream Identifiers section](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/blob/master/draft-ietf-quic-transport.md#stream-identifiers-stream-identifiers) a bit confusing, since the 0 that is used as a stream ID in a WINDOW_UPDATE frame for connection-level flow control is just a placeholder). Since stream 1 is always initiated by the client (it's an odd stream ID), there's no ambiguity towards which MSPC it counts. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/201#issuecomment-274404428 ----==_mimepart_588596a06b352_70f53f8e3e131134263663 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't think there's a stream 0 (however, I find the wording in the <= a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/blob/master/draft-ietf-qu= ic-transport.md#stream-identifiers-stream-identifiers">Stream Identifiers= section a bit confusing, since the 0 that is used as a stream ID in = a WINDOW_UPDATE frame for connection-level flow control is just a placeho= lder).

Since stream 1 is always initiated by the client (it's an odd stream I= D), there's no ambiguity towards which MSPC it counts.

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= ----==_mimepart_588596a06b352_70f53f8e3e131134263663-- From nobody Sun Jan 22 21:41:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA55E1295BA for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2017 21:41:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.156 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.156 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cKTqo6TxsweS for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2017 21:41:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext8.iad.github.net [192.30.252.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63669129ACF for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2017 21:41:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 21:41:03 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1485150063; bh=cvOkz/pUN64Qov7a5AzVnjH9KpEDxBBndmTXSIYTmag=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=w/+5l8CE2pZhFh8pLdGKBK4gl3iqdeQktdf1eXpAdoB1nUajGDW5k1gMCl1+Fn/vs N3UxzEMO7ZXHXg1llMmjt0v+CrmFpuoi3otBB5606c3RokElWN2RgDL9NDTHXFSRjg I6BhKQ2W6IzUNzA/C6FQJPAqLYYHyECTh2DYy0D0= From: ekr To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Frames should have a length field (#194) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5885976fa60f4_21373fd5cecc513081715"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 05:41:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5885976fa60f4_21373fd5cecc513081715 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "After completing version negotiation, there should not be any unrecognized frame types. A peer receiving an unknown frame type should treat this as an error and close the connection." Yes, I am aware of this. which is why my point #1 was about passive analysis tools which do not participate in version negotiation and merely have to take whatever is negotiated on the wire. We see this regularly with TLS where Wireshark can properly handle TLS extension it doesn't recognize because they have an embedded length. "There's no overhead in reading a BLOCKED frame, since it has a fixed length anyway (5 bytes: 1 flag byte and 4 bytes for the stream ID). But even if it hadn't, the overhead to parse it and skip it seems negligible to adding 2 bytes (per frame) to indicate the length of a frame." This isn't a matter of processing overhead, it's a matter of having to have the complexity of the code to process types you don't care about. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/194#issuecomment-274404796 ----==_mimepart_5885976fa60f4_21373fd5cecc513081715 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"After completing version negotiation, there should not be any unrecog= nized frame types. A peer receiving an unknown frame type should treat th= is as an error and close the connection."

Yes, I am aware of this. which is why my point #1 was about passive analysis tools which do= not participate in version negotiation and merely have to take whatever = is negotiated on the wire. We see this regularly with TLS where Wireshark= can properly handle TLS extension it doesn't recognize because they have= an embedded length.

"There's no overhead in reading a BLOCKED frame, since it has a fixed = length anyway (5 bytes: 1 flag byte and 4 bytes for the stream ID). But e= ven if it hadn't, the overhead to parse it and skip it seems negligible t= o adding 2 bytes (per frame) to indicate the length of a frame."

This isn't a matter of processing overhead, it's a matter of having to= have the complexity of the code to process types you don't care about.

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The primary use case for conventional CONNECT proxies is firewall traversal. Is there a big use case for QUIC proxies which we then need to traverse?

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One of the major features of QUIC over TCP is the option of seamless con= nection migration. One can conceive of a situation where a network middle-m= an (e.g. an ISP, firewall implementer, etc) might have an interest in block= ing this feature, e.g. by detecting connection migrations to their network = and dropping those packets. I propose that we think of a way to make a conn= ection migration indistinguishable from a "normal" new connection.

One solution I can think of would be to have the client send a "fake" in= itial packet with 0-RTT encryption (which would then be discarded by the se= rver as undecryptable). The first few packets sent on the new address would= also need to have the version bit set =E2=80=93 which the server would hav= e to ignore.

This would also require initial packet number randomization (see #35).

Thanks for @lcolitti for pointing this issue out.

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Some thoughts:

What about solving this in the application. HPACK does not get updated u= ntil all header packets for a stream are received. This probably must requi= red to update HPACK in stream order: HPACK must be updated with headers fro= m stream x before it can be updated with the headers from stream x+1 (if st= ream x and x+1 are not reset).

The efficiency of HPACK will be lower though.

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There is no way to negotiate which streams don't contribute (and their number is not limited one would have to negotiate an equation). For HTTP the non-contributing stream numbers are defined in the HTTP/QUIC draft, but defining those streams statically might not be suitable for every protocol. Even for HTTP this static definition "wastes" every second stream for GET requests. 2. Non-contributing create a DoS opportunity. Current implementations of the QUIC protocol use a MCSP of 100. That means that a client can consume at least 100 * initial flow control window of memory on the server (and possibly even more since there's no size limit of a GET request). That results to an additional memory consumption of more than 6 MB (for comparison: Chrome and quic-go set the connection-level flow control window to 1.5 MB). ### Possible solution Non-contributing are needed in the following situation: A client that is uploading data will be connection-level flow control blocked if it is sending data faster than the server is consuming it. In that situation, it makes sense to stop the client from overloading the server with more data, but at the same time allowing it to issue new requests. The problem could be solved by defining two connection-level flow control windows: One that defines the amount of data that can be sent, and one that is defines the amount of request data and other application-layer control functions. I will refer two the two windows as "data fc window" and "control fc window". The rules are: - When a peer opens a new stream, it defines which of the two windows the stream should be counted to (This could be done by the setting a bit in the STREAM frame public flag, but we'd have to steal it from some other field. Maybe there's a better solution?). The association of a STREAM to one of the two window cannot be changed later. Every stream has to contribute to either of the two windows. - A receiver maintains the two connection-level flow control windows and sends connection-level WINDOW_UPDATEs appropriately (there needs to be a way to distinguish between a WINDOW_UPDATE for the data and for the control window of course. Maybe use a bit of the frame type?). - In HTTP all data MUST be sent in the data fc window, and all request, PRIORITY and SETTINGs frames MUST be sent in the control fc window. The question is: Is this general enough for all protocols? 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There are currently two problems with streams not contributing to connection-level flow control:

  1. There is no way to negotiate which streams don't contribute (and their number is not limited one would have to negotiate an equation). For HTTP the non-contributing stream numbers are defined in the HTTP/QUIC draft, but defining those streams statically might not be suitable for every protocol. Even for HTTP this static definition "wastes" every second stream for GET requests.
  2. Non-contributing create a DoS opportunity. Current implementations of the QUIC protocol use a MCSP of 100. That means that a client can consume at least 100 * initial flow control window of memory on the server (and possibly even more since there's no size limit of a GET request). That results to an additional memory consumption of more than 6 MB (for comparison: Chrome and quic-go set the connection-level flow control window to 1.5 MB).

Possible solution

Non-contributing are needed in the following situation: A client that is uploading data will be connection-level flow control blocked if it is sending data faster than the server is consuming it. In that situation, it makes sense to stop the client from overloading the server with more data, but at the same time allowing it to issue new requests.

The problem could be solved by defining two connection-level flow control windows: One that defines the amount of data that can be sent, and one that is defines the amount of request data and other application-layer control functions. I will refer two the two windows as "data fc window" and "control fc window".

The rules are:

  • When a peer opens a new stream, it defines which of the two windows the stream should be counted to (This could be done by the setting a bit in the STREAM frame public flag, but we'd have to steal it from some other field. Maybe there's a better solution?). The association of a STREAM to one of the two window cannot be changed later. Every stream has to contribute to either of the two windows.
  • A receiver maintains the two connection-level flow control windows and sends connection-level WINDOW_UPDATEs appropriately (there needs to be a way to distinguish between a WINDOW_UPDATE for the data and for the control window of course. Maybe use a bit of the frame type?).
  • In HTTP all data MUST be sent in the data fc window, and all request, PRIORITY and SETTINGs frames MUST be sent in the control fc window.

The question is: Is this general enough for all protocols? Can the messages in every protocol be mapped into the two categories "data message" and "control message"?

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The client should not do that:

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"Origin servers" are often complex multi-server data centers with load balancers. Some "origin servers" are actually globally distributed load balancing and routing systems, possibly with multiple levels of load balancing (for example global and local). Since packets may show up at any load balancer node (both for global and local load balancers), it is very difficult (if not prohibitive) for these load balancers to keep track of the load balancing decision for each active connection and share that state among all nodes. To enable stateless load balancing, load balancers need every packet to include routing information for its connection. Server Proposed Connection ID (#119) with Stateless Rejects (#60) are the methods of choice, as they allow the "origin server system" to encode some information into the ConnectionID -- a part of the public header present in every packet. However, depending on the complexity of the encoded routing information, 64 bits may not be enough to ensure a sufficient amount of entropy in the ConnectionID. The proposal is to allow Server Proposed Connection ID to include additional information to be present in every packet. That additional information can take a form of an optional longer Connection ID (and therefore be immutable) or be a new mutable part of the public header. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/205 ----==_mimepart_588616467bccf_11523fdedbd33138106247 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This issue directly applies to the use of Server Proposed Connection ID = (issue #119) / Stat= eless Rejects (issue #60).

"Origin servers" are often complex multi-server data centers with load b= alancers. Some "origin servers" are actually globally distributed load bala= ncing and routing systems, possibly with multiple levels of load balancing = (for example global and local). Since packets may show up at any load bala= ncer node (both for global and local load balancers), it is very difficult = (if not prohibitive) for these load balancers to keep track of the load bal= ancing decision for each active connection and share that state among all n= odes.

To enable stateless load balancing, load balancers need every packet to = include routing information for its connection. Server Proposed Connection = ID (#119) with Statel= ess Rejects (#60) are t= he methods of choice, as they allow the "origin server system" to encode so= me information into the ConnectionID -- a part of the public header present= in every packet. However, depending on the complexity of the encoded rout= ing information, 64 bits may not be enough to ensure a sufficient amount of= entropy in the ConnectionID.

The proposal is to allow Server Proposed Connection ID to include additi= onal information to be present in every packet. That additional information= can take a form of an optional longer Connection ID (and therefore be immu= table) or be a new mutable part of the public header.

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= ----==_mimepart_588616467bccf_11523fdedbd33138106247-- From nobody Mon Jan 23 06:45:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 483D2129491 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 06:45:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ec3dtgP-E93D for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 06:45:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C0E3212945A for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 06:45:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 06:45:53 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1485182753; bh=vrPqgyyyfnbvPuDah/OAGeRDbK1vT0u15m5Diyr+io8=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=eiDKp3mRaA5w1NOhpHAJnV79atjLiMWyu2HibtlW4996Gc951QSqbJRmpyfFkWcP4 aWzQLNSg2Bk1qjpXUTIAM+r5qYkrdA09nV6/ezo3OuSHCZNr37OBKed2x2/0NsdrGC ybquyauywhsuZBGiCcxzTwWXzGnXQTo1ug0dPxFM= From: Igor Lubashev To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Server-proposed connection ID (#119) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58861721e1cb0_64493fc0f1b53140291336"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 14:45:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58861721e1cb0_64493fc0f1b53140291336 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When a client is using a Server-proposed connection ID, it would be best for the client to indicate that it is doing so in Version Negotiation packets. That can affect a decision by some servers to perform a Stateless Reject with a new Server-proposed connection ID again. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/119#issuecomment-274506099 ----==_mimepart_58861721e1cb0_64493fc0f1b53140291336 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Reading the motivation (re: off-path guessing of connection ID), I'm h= opeful that a client would use a good Random Number Generator (RNG) and n= ot produce a "guessable" connection ID. The presumption of a "good RNG" i= s indeed central to having many clients connecting to a single server (wi= thout collision). If one would posit a poor RNG... then in addition to c= ollisio problems, I'd be wary that a RNG used to select a "unguessable" i= nitial packet number would be problematic. Bottom line: I don't grok the= security based motivation.

The other motivation is to prevent "ossification." Can someone provid= e a plausible motivation for a "need" to start at a different packet numb= er, and avoid "ossification" in this context? I would have expected that= standardization in this area simplifies code, and would not be a long-te= rm problem.

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One of the important aspects why (2) is preferable to (1) is that when m= igrating a connection, the client might end up on a path where retransmitti= ng STREAM frames as-is is infeasible due to the MTU of the new path being t= oo low.

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= ----==_mimepart_5886607592e83_2e463f809a569140191675-- From nobody Mon Jan 23 12:19:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C9C129C0B for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 12:19:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.515 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.515 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GRNKN6UvqtSD for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 12:19:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3326129C08 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 12:19:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=KXON/PKs2QrJcLfTdOI3nY9mehY=; b=gI7j+u1ol+nV+zSp 3Ebq7AedfmmGAJT4TeLtajttoiShHnCRVVrHorzWjTeddRHROYRBXrOIJ75V1Yti npMLtAEIJxKXf2mdWpV+/wxFu2umrCxlEb/VHhksj+eYeku+/l7DzV2hls66u927 HYeEQVZJb7JwssoaD4h9Mqp6eag= Received: by filter0805p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0805p1mdw1-23771-58866541-75 2017-01-23 20:19:13.870344897 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id f1yHiXrHTwC_VuHXcqGkIg for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 20:19:14.115 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 12:19:13 -0800 From: Victor Vasiliev To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Updating transport parameters (#50) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58866541e352c_3ebf3ff8e88431387692a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: vasilvv X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3rUigduabjZCs+tdSjQHGJyOfeK8d1Tq3ElN +xNf1TxznFVl9JAOuKbxU9xo9qcAijpRAOtXPd2+E54holDO9KiXPDsJSGFi6tnm4kd5T61hb1qsD2 mMHPvxzLOxFtnPTwDXkWUvZdh0HLPKyRa2FyKKjNl5YAfldORFc/5xjLOFg2PDWP3X5LLfk+kcFvdq Y= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 20:19:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58866541e352c_3ebf3ff8e88431387692a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We should not allow changing arbitrary parameter changes mid-connection, since the semantics of such change needs to be carefully thought through. For parameters that we do want to allow changing, we can define special frame types, but we have to think through how this interacts with the fact that (1) the new value will arrive asynchronously of the current outgoing streams, meaning that (2) the sender cannot assume the new value is in effect until it's acknowledged. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/50#issuecomment-274604713 ----==_mimepart_58866541e352c_3ebf3ff8e88431387692a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We should not allow changing arbitrary parameter changes mid-connection,= since the semantics of such change needs to be carefully thought through.<= /p>

For parameters that we do want to allow changing, we can define special = frame types, but we have to think through how this interacts with the fact = that
(1) the new value will arrive asynchronously of the current outgoing stream= s, meaning that
(2) the sender cannot assume the new value is in effect until it's acknowle= dged.

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= ----==_mimepart_58866541e352c_3ebf3ff8e88431387692a-- From nobody Mon Jan 23 12:21:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDB50129862 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 12:21:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.156 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.156 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kLohn6qTMFbZ for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 12:21:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext5.iad.github.net [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1865B129872 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 12:21:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 12:21:52 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1485202912; bh=qimvVbb8CgT4zbyh0lfSOCT4RbN4YVpuFCX37XaFFpE=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=o4XoyFmWKGANesOD14zABCCz6bM3L3yHGiODDukcRzrLG8N3yPP346nOrGrD9r3Rs nrAO8HCnk1BOamV9fuAoNXzSI8Z4U9wMsEOUc5hyUMoE4UnUaw4R+YY3xGdw8HZMVU J+KcxrkDNOQKaxvllhf49Whn58ruCJDaDwJ32jiw= From: mirjak To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection migration should be indistinguishable from a new connection (#203) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_588665e0239dd_1713f7fb0e3d1301017cd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mirjak X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 20:21:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_588665e0239dd_1713f7fb0e3d1301017cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I really don't support this solution because faking something to the network is unnecessary complex and therefore error prone (I think we can only do this wrong because it's fake) and probably also not really feasible given that the sender might not know that anything changed in the network. My solution would be the other way around: Don't make the handshake look special and try to make all packets look the same for the network as much as possible. This goes back to the idea of "don't expose any data that you don't what the network to use because those will be ossified"and I think we should really follow this principle here as much as possible. (As a side note, this also means that there are cases where it is useful to expose information to the network and ossify this information and its representation such that it can be used for e.g.network diagnosability without changing all network devices for each version of quic.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/203#issuecomment-274605397 ----==_mimepart_588665e0239dd_1713f7fb0e3d1301017cd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I really don't support this solution because faking something to the n= etwork is unnecessary complex and therefore error prone (I think we can o= nly do this wrong because it's fake) and probably also not really feasibl= e given that the sender might not know that anything changed in the netwo= rk.

My solution would be the other way around: Don't make the handshake lo= ok special and try to make all packets look the same for the network as = much as possible. This goes back to the idea of "don't expose any data th= at you don't what the network to use because those will be ossified"and I= think we should really follow this principle here as much as possible. (= As a side note, this also means that there are cases where it is useful t= o expose information to the network and ossify this information and its r= epresentation such that it can be used for e.g.network diagnosability wit= hout changing all network devices for each version of quic.)

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I still don't see why you need to identify the first packet. Isn't for a= load balancer simply the first packet of a connection the first ones it se= es when it doesn't have a mapping yet? And if the load balancers change dyn= amically, don't you have to sync state anyway all the time?

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Also, PUSH_PROMISE and HEADERS on streams where the server is responding will be out of sequence with the HEADERS frames on the push streams themselves.

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----==_mimepart_5886855d87ec2_1f713f9560c8714039856-- From nobody Mon Jan 23 15:06:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB9F1293F5 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 15:06:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.655 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.655 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id glrj4yySWbHq for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 15:06:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D1F61293E8 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 15:06:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=sYpVDXIgGEfATqoO201S9EQjUcc=; b=jbZrZqy5f66DTBId OMOzSbUpNP1LFgHxY7n501Xvtuy0oA7FE0cxdegWW5lDjZyu0SS+AhKpYkCVhJ1a 2AjyU7wG7AH3irPHFXCyZ7hUKm6WUCLKVbu/Xp7ZermOxVDxn6zH1pgnJXQSZ4Ef MQs0FQZcqgd2ho3QHzNLF1LPw4w= Received: by filter0882p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0882p1mdw1-19114-58868C77-4D 2017-01-23 23:06:31.403620969 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id xpYtoCv_Ts61gbzEenCAfQ for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 23:06:31.387 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 15:06:31 -0800 From: Igor Lubashev To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Reliable identification of the initial packet for a connection (#185) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58868c7746c82_1963fbe53e071341140f4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1mDR6yPYLWmihKeB0a3CMvvpNNgiV3J3BuQd XGZQ+vN9UcdH6eF2z6w4fdxCMqqYSQ9TMMnSd+KD66pg+BbAKvMBzANb4sF2Zp5S5A9BBq5/wK6yTC nY33qqwQvFJWabpoHojVguGGD2dXXjhY00Hade4Y0WN5O0ipmyWfFHoHFa5iQbrY3pFHLtIouI5C0O w= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 23:06:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58868c7746c82_1963fbe53e071341140f4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That would be true for a completely stateful load balancer. And that's exactly the kind of load balancing system I'd like to avoid having to build -- a system that requires all nodes to be completely in sync and aware of all connections real-time. This system is very expensive (CPU and bandwidth), especially when you think global scale (not just in-datacenter). And it may not work very reliably anyway due to packets for a single connection arriving very quickly, since if packet 1 and 2 arrive at different nodes, there may had been not enough time for all nodes to get in sync. If you try to fix the previous problem by adding a request-response mechanism for connections you do not know about, you need to worry about your vulnerability to an attack with random packets, all of which may need to go through this expensive request-response. And simply setting up rate limiting on request-response to deal with attacks would not work, since there could be legitimate events that could cause a ton of traffic shifting load balancers all together even in a well-designed system (think BGP change for a global load balancer or a server crash for a local one). A little more on this in issue #205. (Our current system for TCP is "mostly stateless".) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/185#issuecomment-274646981 ----==_mimepart_58868c7746c82_1963fbe53e071341140f4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

That would be true for a completely stateful load balancer. And that's e= xactly the kind of load balancing system I'd like to avoid having to build = -- a system that requires all nodes to be completely in sync and aware of a= ll connections real-time.

This system is very expensive (CPU and bandwidth), especially when you t= hink global scale (not just in-datacenter). And it may not work very reliab= ly anyway due to packets for a single connection arriving very quickly, sin= ce if packet 1 and 2 arrive at different nodes, there may had been not enou= gh time for all nodes to get in sync. If you try to fix the previous probl= em by adding a request-response mechanism for connections you do not know a= bout, you need to worry about your vulnerability to an attack with random p= ackets, all of which may need to go through this expensive request-response= . And simply setting up rate limiting on request-response to deal with atta= cks would not work, since there could be legitimate events that could cause= a ton of traffic shifting load balancers all together even in a well-desig= ned system (think BGP change for a global load balancer or a server crash f= or a local one).

A little more on this in issue #205.

(Our current system for TCP is "mostly stateless".)

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My current understanding of the documents is that on the QUIC layer, the client picks the version and the server offers a list of versions it support. On the TLS layer ALPN handshake, client advertises its versions and server picks one. This is not guaranteed to produce the same version in absence of MITMs, since client and server might have different version preferences.

I suggest that we change the TLS layer negotiation into "QUIC client says its version, and server says its supported versions", similar to #97 . That way, we effectively repeat the version negotiation information used on transport layer in the handshake, allowing the peers to compare the authenticated information from the handshake with the one they used in transport, and tear down the connection in case those do not match.

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----==_mimepart_58869315f159b_39623ff4e067d1349937d-- From nobody Mon Jan 23 15:35:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16B53129416 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 15:35:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x2IkTw12QEo5 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 15:35:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9013129411 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 15:35:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 15:35:27 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1485214527; bh=zNKu4yoa4wU4ufoUC1BYkhMcG7rI4CwQWgfLyew86mY=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=aq4hV93A3SixsD00awl9RNC47hGblfL//QrJhViBkVMihw6CUFLQGloyoq3jXEIQi znDkQyRb0vcfHj8yFEAPQk0BiE2tT+P6ugQgmWifL2pt6hpwllF9mJV1/hH3px5YE+ Bj6dqk2yFYbmObbmd9zGoGj/oX2imynCXgJqjeeA= From: Marten Seemann To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection migration should be indistinguishable from a new connection (#203) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5886933f50df1_368c3f90760ff1401124ec"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 23:35:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5886933f50df1_368c3f90760ff1401124ec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with @mirjak in principle, the best solution would be if a handshake is indistinguishable from a connection migration. However, when using TLS, the first packet of a handshake always contains unencrypted data, which is something trivial to detect for a middle-man. Given this constraint, the solution @lucas-clemente proposed might unfortunately be the best we can do. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/203#issuecomment-274653016 ----==_mimepart_5886933f50df1_368c3f90760ff1401124ec Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I agree with @mirjak in principle, the best solution would be if a handshake i= s indistinguishable from a connection migration. However, when using TLS,= the first packet of a handshake always contains unencrypted data, which = is something trivial to detect for a middle-man.
Given this constraint, the solution @lucas-clemente proposed might unfort= unately be the best we can do.

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I've mentioned this on the mailing list, but I think I should ment= ion it here too, so it does not get lost. We should really understand how = source address validation interacts with stateless rejects if we intend to = support them.

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The primary reason for using this identification is that there are three types of keys that are in concurrent use during a 0-RTT handshake: unprotected (cleartext), 0-RTT and 1-RTT. 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The primary reason for using this identification is that there are three types of keys that are in concurrent use during a 0-RTT handshake: unprotected (cleartext), 0-RTT and 1-RTT. Identifying 0-RTT packets this way allows the server to avoid trial decryption. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/207 -- Commit Summary -- * Use the VERSION flag to identify 0-RTT packets -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (12) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/207.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/207.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/207 ----==_mimepart_58869f33dea2d_41153ff42297113865983 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This aligns the transport draft with the tls draft.

The primary reason for using this identification is that there are three types
of keys that are in concurrent use during a 0-RTT handshake: unprotected
(cleartext), 0-RTT and 1-RTT. Identifying 0-RTT packets this way allows the
server to avoid trial decryption.

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  • Use the VERSION flag to identify 0-RTT packets

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I don't understand how you could possibly add another application protoc= ol in the way you describe.

Yes, there is a fingerprinting risk, however for the settings that we ha= ve, the values are likely selected from a small fixed set of values.

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----==_mimepart_5886a2441061f_4e893f8a28f5914012692d-- From nobody Mon Jan 23 16:45:47 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9EC1294A5 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 16:45:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.737 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.737 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UbIAsBHRlIel for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 16:45:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78C34129499 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 16:45:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=Asc6fM/4ZKE7UzbYKtxSPBbZmhA=; b=FMyRG5r0z8bCeuy/ sg2QhnzOe6JilvInGhizv+c4+iaIpRlHRdmZMOaDoIExdFLlbh/k8YyJBHh/OfEk cO6hnmGvYKdIjnAW5OaJ0q77+Gke1VcjPwJNOxpBsoLXVgkhLNy8mvlQZkwOsngz P0iXEV5GpPKYrnuAKXw3gvdsQqg= Received: by filter0508p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0508p1mdw1-21993-5886A3B0-16 2017-01-24 00:45:36.23776719 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 1JmbfV0SSr24VXpX6vrpuw for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 00:45:36.167 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 16:45:36 -0800 From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stateless Reject mechanism needs description (#60) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5886a3b03d76_263c3f812096f13c7615c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak10y4UsDQJs5BK0H1fawQ5WpN6jgXg7hjskp9 uz+ZwzPmhYPA5HOtEhZCXCsE7gykH/wSIlVOmwWVH3r/dryniva1/gDsyMiZDYHQekoge9XpCDuIJf EbSsizCC4tS9/hHWHkVWsuI4UUgVIYNMdOMNxd+E/6ZxtkK1OeWgEU58OqZZlXG6Dgw9Zqt6ipfaFu s= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 00:45:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5886a3b03d76_263c3f812096f13c7615c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that it remains separable from #169. It's true that there are interactions, but they are separable at least to some degree. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/60#issuecomment-274666143 ----==_mimepart_5886a3b03d76_263c3f812096f13c7615c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think that it remains separable from #169. It's true that there are interactions, but they are separable at least to some degree.

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@igorlord, we have plenty of space for new frame types. Adding another point of extension in the protocol, especially one that could be rarely used, is likely to cause problems.

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Hmm, 1 is a valid value. The only value that doesn't make sense is 0. HTTP/2 permitted a value of 0, temporarily, but we don't have any way to change settings yet (see #50).

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Not sure what your intent is with this issue. HTTP/2 had an "extra st= uff" field in GOAWAY, but not RST_STREAM.

I don't think that this suggests a new frame type; providing the infor= mation in-context is more likely to ensure that it is actionable.

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I think that this is just a bug, do you agree @janaiyengar?

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----==_mimepart_5886a61675df6_6a803f869acab13c27121-- From nobody Mon Jan 23 16:58:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7431294AA for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 16:58:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.538 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.538 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cEdEhJAlFA8D for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 16:58:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91F481294A7 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 16:58:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 16:58:56 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1485219536; bh=YUIVi8TCoXpomkbXHHMPgEK+RD/F3MrKkfsiNGeI79Q=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=gPigRpY0aarLZA77I6Mps/HrsWeKnL/ezU35iW+fW9xu6vwHKg5YrLU4R8DnBg5on K5Uh+2bO4ClvL1a9qRykNQdtdVUA3SwLnokQaG8y9A9tZ7H6ARsQYdqaVaBbf7tswa Lx5fzAz1VFjida/D9UpbzZrFs6VdH085ec1tYe9c= From: ekr To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Source address token (#120) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5886a6d07fcd1_176e23f942c54713053742d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 00:58:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5886a6d07fcd1_176e23f942c54713053742d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the high order question is that we have to decided if this is something that belongs in transport or in the security document. I would have thought the latter, but... -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/120#issuecomment-274668516 ----==_mimepart_5886a6d07fcd1_176e23f942c54713053742d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think the high order question is that we have to decided if this is something that belongs in transport or in the security document. I would have thought the latter, but...

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The doc defines stream identifiers as "variable-length". But are they really?

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I am not hot on this issue and can live with it. HTTP/2 has "extra stu= ff". TCP does not. QUIC straddles multiple layers, so from the transport= perspective, this "extra stuff" is extra (and streams are now a transpor= t feature). From HTTP perspective it can be justified.

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What you say: "1", do you include STREAM 1? If so, what does it say a= bout clients not able to start data streams? It is useful?

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To be clear, it might be encoded using a variable-length encoding, but t= he actual value is fixed size. This refers to the following text in the de= scription of the STREAM frame: "Stream ID: A variable-sized unsigned ID uni= que to this stream, whose size is determined by the SS bits in= the type byte."

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Note that at 64-bits, we now have more streams available for use than we have packet numbers.

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Packet numbers are 64 bits, there's just a bizarre quirk that we can't currently encode the full packet number's 64 bits, only 48 bits of it.

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The document needs to define a general strategy for this. I see there are other related issues, but none that quite covers the general issue.

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The '' is a literal ''. See the diagram in Section 7.1.

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----==_mimepart_5886acd26bde5_65063f869acab13c19887a-- From nobody Mon Jan 23 17:30:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD151299D5 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 17:30:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TTI0Z4jTPI8G for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 17:30:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F33A12951D for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 17:29:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=qtm4ctV/pjFMQ9oXfmJZCeA+iTE=; b=gvvwx3f2bT/u+lVA rtsS6A6LYzYyuYd3wdkKZ8RlMhKp1wqt7CscryVK64TUYSLUZQCBO/QB3sXOBFtv CnyKk/IrCUEFz9JSF3GH680qJJrLBej8VROX8Cz6s5io/J4mHUnUy/xeIjy3wHlu J39ExLO/913u+u6huR1BMK764yc= Received: by filter0823p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0823p1mdw1-28600-5886AE16-B 2017-01-24 01:29:58.116083462 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id cwLiSoCXRmWm4i959c3Ndw for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 01:29:57.892 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 17:29:57 -0800 From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Narrow the error code space (#211) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5886ae15c5239_ea473f942c547130772ed"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2cnEsc4WxjVD17h4d6cnKbc/OOkwCwAfoKXN 6ip1hQqPQQuNMd92LqxDQJg5fglqiBCYrTHFrYfc0D3aWMVBoJxhjZtBtMSK2rlcFTEhOXQ8MNFHvo 8suUbWQshn2sfBmz1ggIEaXABpWPbTV/CZfowjL/La5Y7ZHpfk/qdEs7cY3QDlKhYLaxSb/ceSkibJ c= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 01:30:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5886ae15c5239_ea473f942c547130772ed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are LOTS of error codes. The only sensible thing to do is use those code to steer the receiver in the direction of the right logic for recovering from the error. There is a different piece of information that might be provided to an application for diagnostic purposes (the reason phrase helps if it goes across the wire) and there might be other needs for an API, but across the wire we can probably cut this down a lot. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/211 ----==_mimepart_5886ae15c5239_ea473f942c547130772ed Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

There are LOTS of error codes. The only sensible thing to do is use those code to steer the receiver in the direction of the right logic for recovering from the error. There is a different piece of information that might be provided to an application for diagnostic purposes (the reason phrase helps if it goes across the wire) and there might be other needs for an API, but across the wire we can probably cut this down a lot.

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A PR would be appreciated.

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----==_mimepart_5886ae5db6418_176e23f942c5471306942bd-- From nobody Mon Jan 23 17:32:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7FC41299DE for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 17:32:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.301 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.301 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id prV5bmlRatg4 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 17:32:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7366A1299DC for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 17:32:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=q6yo07uFuEfUGNNGUGUfhAOKcyM=; b=uIApGHm7Kb4EHP8u PFdvG7dezQEPhsNS6tLjBNXz4jJEqC9sI5vw2ntpPXzABIIBff5TeWt/+hwLTI2K 1sTK50mchUt5rl0kXhe9RCnEKxmGG/ceYFrCPHSc0SIdRFXMFSt1kSPl9ONQQQDC a3V0WP4JsbMQd0plC8bhI4yJgZM= Received: by filter0981p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0981p1mdw1-22822-5886AEB4-3F 2017-01-24 01:32:36.519047331 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id TH0_edLgRG2GQLJkP7k0vg for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 01:32:36.377 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 17:32:36 -0800 From: ekr To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] X (*) does not actually indicate that x is variable length (#191) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5886aeb444422_37f23fefcafd513450086c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0/d5FECBMpDqYSdpS9VQR34Z7qX3cDzoGGVN 5Ep09jejxqOm3Zyy1fsJ2w/ly5D2IGNBbYYiJnIRaETbCNg7NP16tVlr3Rhve+jHd6heDZd+ci2aCo QppwT3nbENrhSekmg+6DLmPPqK4xKR4BcIhCk/+zLTbuXyvAm7mSF8MEbA== Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 01:32:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5886aeb444422_37f23fefcafd513450086c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm.. Then the text is confusing. See PR# https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/212 -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/191#issuecomment-274674310 ----==_mimepart_5886aeb444422_37f23fefcafd513450086c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hmm.. Then the text is confusing. See PR# #212

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My proposal is to just use PADDING for CH and then use packet-protection
for anything beyond that.


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Yes, we should discuss.

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Is this a suggestion that we don't provide CONNECT? We had a big discussion about this in HTTP/2 that had all the same basic constraints. We decided to define it then.

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----==_mimepart_5886b0658e305_1a403f869acab13c265414-- From nobody Mon Jan 23 17:41:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D4F1299DB for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 17:41:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.737 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.737 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MfPnvzzT5ZZZ for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 17:41:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20D341299D5 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 17:41:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=m4yNW5sOXLGzlthDlMSFeK7v97k=; b=kplQN4XfpBrRD0Yj uG61Gs4JR62Tnw+i/AYvdcWw/dD3dp5/+oEEh8FynwAuw4QRKrxHNsxXt35YBOqK WFOK+3rOcP1mH/yO39MS5j5kRbs6oF43CEXYnFAbOBYynlHYxpfACLKFaD5ikS54 LbPKH4KiUiW6cCYR0qYOHwhoB2c= Received: by filter0436p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0436p1mdw1-16224-5886B0B9-6 2017-01-24 01:41:13.062198247 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id vrzcY0Y3QRmlvEwbxFP1FA for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 01:41:12.888 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 17:41:12 -0800 From: ekr To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP: Why are we defining CONNECT? (#202) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5886b0b8c3953_1d4d3f86cd37113815059e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak12GOX/eCkGtC58Fb7BKVDaGtP08WKr7JLaH/ 127n03z5DIEPhk0ZP/yJW/WBT1TVJqO2hYPjcJnOAm6yQfhKsPWQnPGi0J06yxecKkmcEQYZ0Fkoj0 C5L4Ws/PdoOV4MyUOnYPRWKyYQQPBFJVj1oFg+kjJCy69TDPyLrxDbjN3Q== Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 01:41:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5886b0b8c3953_1d4d3f86cd37113815059e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, it's a suggestion to that effect. I wasn't in the H2 discussion, but I guess I would say that perhaps we now have experience with defining CONNECT for h2. Has that worked out well? Does anyone do CONNECT/h2? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/202#issuecomment-274675730 ----==_mimepart_5886b0b8c3953_1d4d3f86cd37113815059e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Yes, it's a suggestion to that effect. I wasn't in the H2 discussion, but I guess I would say that perhaps we now have experience with defining CONNECT for h2. Has that worked out well? Does anyone do CONNECT/h2?

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I think that this instead needs to say something more generic: start over. Marking this as editorial (let me know if you disagree).

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CONNECT/h2 is implemented, but I don't know about usage rates.

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We'd like to have this feature go into the spec for the following reas= on.

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With QUIC, since the source address changes, it is much more likely th= an TCP/IP that packets will start arriving at a different POP. In such ca= se, we'd want to forward packets between the POPs.

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  • Rewrite the headers section to make it clearer.
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@igorlord= the normal order of operations is version negotiation THEN stateless r= eject. If you want to allow a server to redirect to another node, THEN do = version negotiation, things are going to get crazy at the client. The clie= nt has just seen a server accept its selected version, but then it sees it = reject that version.

BTW, I am assuming that stateless reject has to come after version negot= iation, as it does in the current design.

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----==_mimepart_5886bb662aaca_2cad3fb7ea9dd1401121cb-- From nobody Mon Jan 23 18:36:47 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B8F129555 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 18:36:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.037 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.037 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id chi_2eLMO1bx for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 18:36:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06688129548 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 18:36:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=kVZDzqTtKMtdRBPMqZDw7RDqPmI=; b=TmF0WqkL09DVddIN 9PhBxMAXkI18Mp2zjCvqJ3H+kFL+FNoDyn0VfPXkVWSrxeSS3AtRHoGLI3GcbuY2 TQF9oubA+rO9f0MMaDWUWyUzGMuUQj+ryRUdf1u001LfkbZ6lhnSBTNjx/5L5JwX 6PqCBj0u040faGqpxI07tagwz/E= Received: by filter0926p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0926p1mdw1-11923-5886BDBB-15 2017-01-24 02:36:43.24757066 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id rfPiDpdJQ_qorhpqldrVDA for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 02:36:42.823 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 18:36:42 -0800 From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Streams not contributing to connection-level flow control (#204) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5886bdbab6ebd_7d8c3fd87f0551301035d5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2Sggn5ChkAilCCzjqMecD88IzyZ99O2obE5E GvcqzY17GJRkBaReTTTlxhzcM/qs1EuT7OBtWeI0ouabtr8tL0q39cwZWPAzhNWg38rnY8cMC9hvzP v2XIlcs4E0qidAm28zMlTOLjlhOG9DfwsBP55uNL+WIjGRo8fouST1gY5/RsofXcyMc72YTipaQokj w= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 02:36:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5886bdbab6ebd_7d8c3fd87f0551301035d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think that we should allow for any exemptions at all. Is there any reason for streams to be exempted? I'm not aware of a valid reason for exemption. The crypto handshake is the only thing that is exempted currently and even that isn't strictly necessary if we set a floor on the value. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/204#issuecomment-274684510 ----==_mimepart_5886bdbab6ebd_7d8c3fd87f0551301035d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't think that we should allow for any exemptions at all. Is there = any reason for streams to be exempted? I'm not aware of a valid reason for= exemption. The crypto handshake is the only thing that is exempted curren= tly and even that isn't strictly necessary if we set a floor on the value.<= /p>

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Discussed in Tokyo; no appetite to make wire changes (e.g., PRIORITY fra= me), but open question about whether QUIC needs to define how applications = can affect priority of sent packets. Different application protocols might = have vastly difference prioritisation schemes.

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All the HTTP header streams don't contribute to flow control as well.

Having this is desirable. Say a client is doing multiple uploads to a se= rver and used up the full connection-level flow control window. It would be= nice if the client was still allowed to send a GET request to start a down= load.

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256 octets probably won't carry a stack trace :)

This is entirely proprietary, but we could recommend that text (if it is text) be UTF-8.

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Discussed in Tokyo; consensus in the room. EKR asked for notice about existing QUIC versions in the document.

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@kazuho= This is a part of our use case as well. In fact, to help with anycast rou= ting, I opened another issue #205 to allow for more bits for this routing information (I am wor= ried about running out of entropy).

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Since frames cannot be split (except for STREAM frames), there's no way to send more than around 1340 bytes of reason phrase anyway in the general case (IPv6 doesn't support packet fragmentation).

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----==_mimepart_5886bfb82bc2d_50c43feb0ab11130143486-- From nobody Mon Jan 23 18:48:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B21AB129561 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 18:48:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.251 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.251 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gPAM1Nb7p8CF for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 18:48:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7ABFC129548 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 18:48:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=axUHjHZjGzkgdEUdrg8k+RVqJZY=; b=GoFonTm66EM1f7LX I1zqRoS3uwZwFIB0TrXmeN8zc8VjgFo0xiSvJTCqrO4dC3HmcgKuKKH0292zOQAo TCDoIdXTWrVOh/TGPRviyW0t9OBsUmxIl1/UGzToHMQ6gXfH+13nxcBxirGHyLyb FF1zvwbaen3QEHX04jRCR0o6iRo= Received: by filter0950p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0950p1mdw1-14038-5886C066-43 2017-01-24 02:48:06.715688423 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 0EK3L_lqSv2NNujWA3Lcrw for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 02:48:06.620 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 18:48:06 -0800 From: Victor Vasiliev To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Priority in QUIC Transport (#104) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5886c0667ceea_60493ff7a384f14012686b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: vasilvv X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2bcnDfKGBk1qKW2ppo8CUTbizjWH7Wz00t6q IWi5gijnhKzTDeCnU7o3/fTbh2G5sNXlpHR17GtX4PJ0kKvxtWUt136auWHwlSZjVvsBsYfo60rLML Q4ZAiWWDB5irQGUgWx57bVeAVFpRJg5IBmbXGKSp9ARzQEu/eNUD9oI3FC+kBiGkAbqNtqI02C1OHk g= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 02:48:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5886c0667ceea_60493ff7a384f14012686b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to note here that stream scheduling is just like congestion control -- your QUIC implementation *will* have logic to schedule streams, it's just it might be trivial logic. Unlike congestion control, there are two issues here (from the discussion at the interim): (1) prioritization heavily depends on the interface between the application and transport, and (2) we might not have enough prior experience to draw on in order to provide guidance to the implementations at this point. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/104#issuecomment-274686151 ----==_mimepart_5886c0667ceea_60493ff7a384f14012686b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I would like to note here that stream scheduling is just like congestion= control -- your QUIC implementation will have logic to schedule s= treams, it's just it might be trivial logic.

Unlike congestion control, there are two issues here (from the discussio= n at the interim): (1) prioritization heavily depends on the interface betw= een the application and transport, and (2) we might not have enough prior e= xperience to draw on in order to provide guidance to the implementations at= this point.

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That's a problem that could be fixed by #175. I tend to think that exempting headers from flow control was a mistake. Particularly when interpreting headers can be blocked on progress on other streams.

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If the server were to provide the connection ID as part of a TLS HelloRe= tryRequest, then the cookie extension could carry this information adequate= ly.

Generally, I think that this duplicates the stateless reject issue perfe= ctly.

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Is that cookie available in every packet belonging to the connection? Can it be read without access to the crypto secrets? That's what would be needed for doing routing based on the information in the packets.

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----==_mimepart_5886d178936a1_4f83fca206251401944e5-- From nobody Mon Jan 23 20:01:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A7F129536 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 20:01:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OVxgo-UYl8On for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 20:00:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext7.iad.github.net [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E826129563 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 20:00:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 20:00:56 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1485230456; bh=/8u1o5MQOXwYIMf+TKaAOPRTdLEZPKQE2E9vAqvmUVQ=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bAPLxFIPhEJOGwOwEAoxXppGsi4Rcli5Cg/58hn/rp+l6gTTaZ8tBzb+Rz9KXkD7n Ck0rZhHxXVw/VxHN7W6jQcPf5fnLj7shZ9KG9qgCgu1gcp7I/Fvq/wHgz9emzcnuzg CLl8rb5y6zT5fdgJVaSZQM2sPFp0BGXZBMuD2XRk= From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Version negotiation potential amplification issue (#195) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5886d178854f7_700e3fc7fd4c9140222940"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 04:01:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5886d178854f7_700e3fc7fd4c9140222940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Given the requirement for padding the client's packet, let's leave this to #136. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/195#issuecomment-274703948 ----==_mimepart_5886d178854f7_700e3fc7fd4c9140222940 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Given the requirement for padding the client's packet, let's leave this to #136.

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Discussed in Tokyo; support for doing so, but not clear consensus yet.

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Should we increase the length of the flow control limits to allow for >2^64 then?

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Closed #146.

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Discussed in Tokyo; consensus in the room to take Option 2, and remove the error code.

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That would also be fine.

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@ianswett, do you want that four bytes AND #167?

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As someone pointed out in the interim, my updated version ranges are only 16 bits wide, not 32 bits. I also incorrectly separated the transport and TLS regions, which means all of the TLS errors were off. This pull request fixes those typos. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/216 -- Commit Summary -- * Fixing the bit typos in error ranges -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (52) M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (114) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/216.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/216.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/216 ----==_mimepart_5886e1cd61fc4_29013fb444ef913c848e7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

As someone pointed out in the interim, my updated version ranges are only 16 bits wide, not 32 bits. I also incorrectly separated the transport and TLS regions, which means all of the TLS errors were off. This pull request fixes those typos.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/216

Commit Summary

  • Fixing the bit typos in error ranges

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----==_mimepart_5886e1cd61fc4_29013fb444ef913c848e7-- From nobody Mon Jan 23 21:12:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A48AE129568 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 21:12:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.155 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.155 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ctPqydRWJ_-6 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 21:12:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6DC21126CD8 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 21:12:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 21:12:14 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1485234734; bh=mQfk6zoZzxhpYwd7w17XcybhAyWqIbNgUuynScq8F3g=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Cd04r6K1SwD/XRYNiHaF+s0gLP97aHB7kao8yw8VJlQxm/7+Tj0Yb6fmN2LoEAVfe qCDTfaj5dJ+SW1i9T7nEbmRfs4W2Y455VdldG0IJHrcSXsigZ9ANWDyR5gG1wE0lpQ 76Zck7XQoawUbhkGikdNPHXLrzcBBnnoR+28SoSg= From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] DoS using Version Negotiation Packets (#135) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5886e22ec85b2_13cc3f8b6568f13458042"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 05:12:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5886e22ec85b2_13cc3f8b6568f13458042 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Potential fix: clients are required to create a packet of a certain minimum size. As long as the space of potential sizes for version negotiation packets from the server doesn't overlap with the sizes that a client can generate (that is, set the values such that min(client initial) > max(server version negotiation)), you can avoid generating a version negotiation packet in response to some packets. Also solved by #167, particularly if we bake in a client/server bit. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/135#issuecomment-274711668 ----==_mimepart_5886e22ec85b2_13cc3f8b6568f13458042 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Potential fix: clients are required to create a packet of a certain m= inimum size. As long as the space of potential sizes for version negotia= tion packets from the server doesn't overlap with the sizes that a client= can generate (that is, set the values such that min(client initial) >= max(server version negotiation)), you can avoid generating a version neg= otiation packet in response to some packets.

Also solved by #167, particularly if we bake in a client/server bit.

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= ----==_mimepart_5886e22ec85b2_13cc3f8b6568f13458042-- From nobody Mon Jan 23 21:17:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E028129569 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 21:17:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hEh-oafl3k53 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 21:17:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8FAFC129568 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 21:17:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 21:17:11 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1485235031; bh=hP8CVVLS8XJASYuld672gX7irIjmuzHZaQ62HKf5orQ=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=QV9jMnBlFGEuqNigbmUqRW8Z9pbYyTcgciEbnCzyBSsR85LMpTTMh9EGf9MCzV9Vq vRZM5YOtKvp+VtzCEPrH4K89JjwcPw6PAyok73a17MDfo6BT5PlB6EuXyuBn/kj8u/ iQLOaErFbttW2x33XrzfljeyORPncZv3Mubwf2/4= From: Mike Bishop To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stream Reservation (#174) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5886e357e3d09_13833f8b6568f1347004f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 05:17:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5886e357e3d09_13833f8b6568f1347004f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm hesitant to do this, largely because of the race between client trying to reject a push that the server has already created, then needing to reset the stream when/if it arrives. I'm more inclined to Ian's suggestion in the interim: - Reservation is a purely local concept - the remote doesn't know that the stream has been reserved until it sees a higher-numbered stream actually get used - Initiators have to count reserved streams toward their limits. - Receivers count idle streams up to the highest-ever-seen stream numbers as open This has the problem that packet reordering can cause the peers to disagree on how many streams are open at the time, but that issue already exists with QUIC regardless of what you do. (I'll open a separate issue for that.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/174#issuecomment-274712247 ----==_mimepart_5886e357e3d09_13833f8b6568f1347004f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm hesitant to do this, largely because of the race between client tr= ying to reject a push that the server has already created, then needing t= o reset the stream when/if it arrives. I'm more inclined to Ian's sugges= tion in the interim:

  • Reservation is a purely local concept - the remote doesn't know that = the stream has been reserved until it sees a higher-numbered stream actua= lly get used
  • Initiators have to count reserved streams toward their limits.
  • Receivers count idle streams up to the highest-ever-seen stream numbe= rs as open

This has the problem that packet reordering can cause the peers to dis= agree on how many streams are open at the time, but that issue already ex= ists with QUIC regardless of what you do. (I'll open a separate issue fo= r that.)

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We could put a client/server bit into each frame, though this is a cost = we wouldn't want to pay on every packet, just during the handshake.

@ma= rten-seemann suggested we cannibalize the public reset flag, which is n= ever set on a packet that also has a version.

Another option is including a magic number in the version negotiation pa= cket.

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Discussed in Tokyo; agreement that breaking the symmetry in the packets is important. Consensus to put a token in the client packet.

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For illustrative purposes, consider a server with an max open stream limit of 2. The client sends packets with frames in the following order:

  1. Open stream 3
  2. Open stream 5
  3. Close stream 5
  4. Open stream 7

The network reorders packets 3 and 4. From the server's perspective, the client has violated the maximum. In order to deal with this, the server will presumably need something more complicated than just "if violated, kill" -- maybe kill the connection if it remains violated for more than 1-2 RTT?

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----==_mimepart_5886e4c41364d_2a4d3faffb43313c85976-- From nobody Mon Jan 23 21:23:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C4F129569 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 21:23:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.538 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.538 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zOT9TrpV5h3g for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 21:23:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BC84126CD8 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 21:23:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 21:23:51 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1485235431; bh=sE1jS4kLUbRVGDgRzDE1+IZU/6c6DIOEyNNxH533fr0=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=aWuiOUziqw8henLDvNDnXHL/dTt1T6x49xsfa/dJvr0mEP3UgR1KH58lEkgvVcmiZ E1NlLdky7SBT5gnqTUvOzpT4SAM/e9G2WW+0YUtOUHTAYQtChFFw5D0MGI3HBrbt3u sFYr1Xc7CoWltX4gbFImGL2TSJF3am1GJgKQ/c70= From: Ryan Hamilton To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] DoS using Version Negotiation Packets (#135) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5886e4e794a75_698d3fdd526991408049f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 05:23:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5886e4e794a75_698d3fdd526991408049f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm surprised to see the token in the client packets (which are common and large) and not the version negotiation packet (which are rare and small). But I'm not in the room :) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/135#issuecomment-274712989 ----==_mimepart_5886e4e794a75_698d3fdd526991408049f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm surprised to see the token in the client packets (which are common and large) and not the version negotiation packet (which are rare and small). But I'm not in the room :)

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Caveat: we need to ensure that there is a way to grease consistently between the stateless version negotiation packet AND the copy of that in the ServerHello.

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Discussed in Tokyo: consensus in the room.

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Reopened #112.

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----==_mimepart_5886e706205c0_2e293f91c899713847364-- From nobody Mon Jan 23 21:33:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7667B12956A for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 21:33:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.673 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.673 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8t10SuiFidPw for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 21:33:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17C4A126CD8 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 21:33:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=a147xhnyMImKx+GsIY6okDzda/4=; b=G5wa3BlaqM1iZoiJ 6zK12hJCoFCBqYBOhECPe+jZTHFWFUOwyDTD3VvDB4NQB4woHYLGNlrTrG/oUAc8 fL+6lKk1gfCU7PKjEq7+z3PzFDo73vbEyUAU3ozv0mcZJ5TdZkvVcP3B8r4wblCD gaz4FKcqvksYR5CbM8u9HTlu3/Y= Received: by filter1136p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1136p1mdw1-4296-5886E737-85 2017-01-24 05:33:43.825548902 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id NXbgY3mMSJKD1q-aiiP9DQ for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 05:33:43.805 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 21:33:43 -0800 From: janaiyengar To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Greasing version negotiation (#112) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5886e737b1ed6_100143f942c547130181627"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0ILnE0VFCaRKEZmXaP+fizhagJW5DLiesrTj V78bDYAyy52esUEBf9TbJIU8Sa25tIpxm9JVfXWa6Ti7Q2uK4SrMslA7qWhcNOUKthK1tPVfVuO8WP FprA0Bq1ADPn+7fj/EGo3bp6kJi3BGIrJ/0WIcz2XGpXHg/ce5HsCTyBlObhLuuQXeo3JuuKcGh6T9 M= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 05:33:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5886e737b1ed6_100143f942c547130181627 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought martinthomson said to leave this open -- if I misheard, feel free to close. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/112#issuecomment-274714131 ----==_mimepart_5886e737b1ed6_100143f942c547130181627 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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The problem will become more apparent when using push, since the server will open and close the streams opposed to pull in which in normal case a client opens the streams and a server closes them.

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Closed #112.

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Reopened #112.

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----==_mimepart_5886ebc7c28bb_400f3fae8f78d1381202e1-- From nobody Mon Jan 23 21:56:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C268126CD8 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 21:56:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.951 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.951 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8Pa7HsOtf_qJ for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 21:56:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 915A612956A for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 21:56:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=/3Y+LpxhJ8W1FYCyZ7Nzj/yeNNQ=; b=ReWXEDvurEz8a9Td 1zy4/a5HoGxBL0ukRGhjiisl1hZbNMfdIV/erLwMTTSlK4ddlrmdpPMHfpsacuYw jAzeSOW38daRLZVKSxNJvdi+iGpgC8CNcG9UsJmZh/GN+Qd5k+/wl6IRLDv/ivs/ VbB1Vw9CnlnuR31JbTUJh4lpGRk= Received: by filter0825p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0825p1mdw1-2785-5886EC7F-35 2017-01-24 05:56:15.428264121 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id kFzpTccaQ6K39L3dYsINXA for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 05:56:15.617 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 21:56:15 -0800 From: Kazuho Oku To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Variable-length connectionID/routing information in public header (#205) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5886ec7f80e82_408b3fa450b7913c1955bc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3ce86hT+6caeMYzdte9Q3kmotlXPHasVRZ/U TnVT1VhjlbcHWpEHESJxtDtnETAnNdps1Q62HD2K44KqTHZIeM3MgdqZxmD7rUMWpszgS4SfPpOUvw 4Ai5pF28NwFWz4vBW+vCm0FUXSCKIZpXL1l1S4X5FXp2Zj9d9mN+hCSue5D9hXAIT8ZklhvBfo4Ub9 4= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 05:56:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5886ec7f80e82_408b3fa450b7913c1955bc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with @igorlord. IIUC STK is something that can be used for correlating QUIC connections. What @igorlord and I are looking for (per https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/119#issuecomment-274680186) is a way to correlate packets belonging to a single QUIC connection to a specific POP or a server. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/205#issuecomment-274716890 ----==_mimepart_5886ec7f80e82_408b3fa450b7913c1955bc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I agree with @igorlord.

IIUC STK is something that can be used for correlating QUIC connections.= What @igorl= ord and I are looking for (per #119 (comment)) is a way to correlat= e packets belonging to a single QUIC connection to a specific POP or a serv= er.

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This is already what we're proposing to do in #122 (which builds on #99). We don't have any disagreeme= nt about this aspect of the pull request, though other aspects remain con= tentious, which have kept it from being merged.

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Discussed in Tokyo; consensus in the room that at least one side should = send complete version information in the version handshake, and the decider= has the option to restart. Therefore, alt-svc does not need to be authenti= cated.

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Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/4a6040ee18dc...e199eeef6d47 ----==_mimepart_5886f1a9ef55f_4a403fd678c3d1405621f-- From nobody Mon Jan 23 22:18:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A13129577 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 22:18:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.673 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.673 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7uVB5sXj943l for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 22:18:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 417C6129575 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 22:18:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=KMNtKD43xdjVTob12BW9rBuk+go=; b=PA6sEcFKriO7CCk5 Mpu4X//LmDwZVI4+H5tT6DLb+cIx019uE2We+dc+Ocbe0Cqc/HVYbyghK08/PX3p X7BqmBjTmzXf07PNtUZ0+G6DmfM9AsxNzfPr2onJeRtcGQWwJffoi0AZ8cCE1ctV cMKgNSbG49MeMi0zA7kV8kIAdPM= Received: by filter0933p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0933p1mdw1-4963-5886F1AE-C 2017-01-24 06:18:22.106428267 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id DBUzH0k2QTuToz2JnIgxfA for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 06:18:22.200 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 22:18:22 -0800 From: Mike Bishop To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Minor editorial changes: (#214) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5886f1ae1b74d_3eb23f7ebd217138735fa"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0+sRglQMeCfK97B9IUnBSZ1Nc4/iVTR08Kvj ppYy+E+T/Vz/1hcLQGE0UIbjCCokasjE9cD1MD7928r5LPCKKncDn0OiqSHYAXqT0JZUSg0ssdJOGA AmjigeZoch4eFwhaCrXkBnadmm7MNd+bMtYY0ClgSCVrO50PRv8oODV7D5HWerjIGjaxsQh9MSWSY5 Q= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 06:18:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5886f1ae1b74d_3eb23f7ebd217138735fa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looks good to me. 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Looks good to me. I see one thing I need to fix up, but that's unrelated to your changes.

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But a literal asterisk given as the length, followed by an ellipsis, does indicate that X is variable length.

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Sorry, read too quickly. Yes, this is an improvement. Taking it.

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Merged #212.

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I expect to have some preliminary answers in a week or two. With regards to the other ways of compression, I feel like both RFC 7924 and QUIC-style cached certificate chain should not matter in most cases since if we talked to a host before, what we really want is to just do a session resumption. But I might be wrong, and I am not sure how a cert cache would behave in real-life situations when a lot of sites use it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/134#issuecomment-274721820 ----==_mimepart_5886f58445fa1_6d863ff463669134172869 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am still working on figuring out what would be the impact of compressi= on with and without a pre-shared dictionary, as well as what dictionary we = should use. I expect to have some preliminary answers in a week or two.

With regards to the other ways of compression, I feel like both RFC 7924= and QUIC-style cached certificate chain should not matter in most cases si= nce if we talked to a host before, what we really want is to just do a sess= ion resumption. But I might be wrong, and I am not sure how a cert cache w= ould behave in real-life situations when a lot of sites use it.

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BTW, if they're not referenced in the text, why do they need to be in the references?

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Discussed in Tokyo; consensus in the room that we're comfortable with these things not being changeable after handshake.

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My point was that some packet numbers can be lost, whereas we require that all stream numbers be used.

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Commit: eecb8d907341a203030078436e4eaf5e3f954a92 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/eecb8d907341a203030078436e4eaf5e3f954a92 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Address Ian's comments Commit: 5a636ef3338e17a5cc94f3acdaefc893ecbaf2e1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5a636ef3338e17a5cc94f3acdaefc893ecbaf2e1 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- MUST -> SHOULD Commit: c989c6517887d00b7121babcf151e84132ce2372 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c989c6517887d00b7121babcf151e84132ce2372 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #141 from quicwg/undoversion Change text that describes version negotiation in terms of crypto keys. 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Commit: 1c962148e25d9a99d83f8c435410a6fc4d45b446 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1c962148e25d9a99d83f8c435410a6fc4d45b446 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- As with STREAM, so with BLOCKED: no payload Commit: 5c8221ba182b34f274a5563657539554dfe2eed9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5c8221ba182b34f274a5563657539554dfe2eed9 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Payload => Type-dependent fields Commit: f19288301d80e417d83f8b01335ecd56e23ee5d1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f19288301d80e417d83f8b01335ecd56e23ee5d1 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Move ACK frame block counts up a section Commit: 60028fe4b3d2386707d8bc612bbe628d34a72f98 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/60028fe4b3d2386707d8bc612bbe628d34a72f98 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-08 (Sun, 08 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'diagrams' into diagrams_mt Commit: 6104a58f4e9674d4cd62d8bd9721c772e9d0ff6f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6104a58f4e9674d4cd62d8bd9721c772e9d0ff6f Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-08 (Sun, 08 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #129 from quicwg/diagrams_mt Commit: 6d0d6f716ac8e69f7b6d04893b554c0501ac9379 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6d0d6f716ac8e69f7b6d04893b554c0501ac9379 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Missed a 'payload' Commit: d9d5eaf8a1b096cdcb47229cc36cd96656e2a1de https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d9d5eaf8a1b096cdcb47229cc36cd96656e2a1de Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Ian's feedback Commit: 3cc43bc9b3d0471cc24cdf8e5737b0ee9585e473 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3cc43bc9b3d0471cc24cdf8e5737b0ee9585e473 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into diagrams Commit: 96a5e8523e1d3dd1aa1760e0de225b5f35c2ccef https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/96a5e8523e1d3dd1aa1760e0de225b5f35c2ccef Author: janaiyengar Date: 2017-01-13 (Fri, 13 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #103 from quicwg/diagrams Transport spec diagrams for #54 Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/279786cbd422...96a5e8523e1d ----==_mimepart_5879c4c43ff2c_471f3faaa59df14036415-- From nobody Mon Jan 23 22:43:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A60FF12943F for ; 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Currently, we can bump connection flow control window without an issue, but any new individual streams are stuck with whatever was initially negotiated. We may want to add a mechanism to increase initial stream flow control window mid-connection. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/219 ----==_mimepart_5886fa2182f06_75083fce12141138641d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It may be desirable for the client to increase the flow control window mid-connection (it observes that client actually has very high BDP; it decides based on application request by peer that it will send a lot of data; it decides that it trusts the peer for some reason; potentially other options). Currently, we can bump connection flow control window without an issue, but any new individual streams are stuck with whatever was initially negotiated. We may want to add a mechanism to increase initial stream flow control window mid-connection.

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----==_mimepart_5886fa2182f06_75083fce12141138641d8-- From nobody Mon Jan 23 23:00:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D54129575 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 23:00:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.301 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.301 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rU5F-r8McTF8 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 23:00:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F244126CD8 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2017 23:00:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=2Rdo0f23oidItVDY9VWFO7PX4Qg=; b=lQkwXXPOJkVb9c2f FJj0EQ2Db6CPQX4xpvzw2/xHaCpkochkJVGOzvqYinE40N/cPgLtd+WVv166KyDj c8F/eHGKt5YrnT+Mr1W3pmF8CDINbn120qz04euXysRAOLDxpjNSeCF2H9zBGheG o2AIuT99hvGDoMKCotBzVjPRdwY= Received: by filter0433p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0433p1mdw1-10847-5886FB82-34 2017-01-24 07:00:18.626024668 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id v-x-sM4XSduuvhTdQrpI-Q for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 07:00:18.832 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 23:00:18 -0800 From: Mark Nottingham To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove SETTINGS[_ACK] (#181) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5886fb82ac18e_35663f7ebd2171381258bc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mnot X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak02EZ+FBnP7hh0Am3z49UyhrVq0l1mYgfvGNc oC1BC2hIP6Fwz6gnb7t7BTCS8wo7oRJyh2ZI7tLle02dwlDRKg2e8WqAR6Cc8sjbILAtxSdx8kBgBy S3UAiCkulReHsgXLuXZE8/pqjsgDwP3GNzgAHtBuDNKKPA2tj8c4hsPO2Py5xE17kePRy87Ie2oHrI g= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 07:00:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5886fb82ac18e_35663f7ebd2171381258bc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Discussed in Tokyo; idea to constrain what the server can do to allow SETTINGS to be sent under crypto, with some signal back to the client (e.g., data, data on stream N) as ACK. PR needed. Comfort that they're immutable, as long as QPACK can handle this on its own. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/181#issuecomment-274725323 ----==_mimepart_5886fb82ac18e_35663f7ebd2171381258bc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Discussed in Tokyo; idea to constrain what the server can do to allow SE= TTINGS to be sent under crypto, with some signal back to the client (e.g., = data, data on stream N) as ACK. PR needed. Comfort that they're immutable, = as long as QPACK can handle this on its own.

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Discussed in Tokyo; agreement that the parts of #122 that deal with this are good; should be factored out into a separate PR.

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#122 gets started on this, most of that. We don't have a lot of supporting text though.

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Discussed in Tokyo; agreement in the room that parameters define defau= lts, and clients SHOULD cache parameters and MUST use default values if t= he client doesn't cache. The server always has the ability to kick unruly= clients.

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All of these were informational for me when implementing QUIC, so I fe= lt they should be included. I believe most of them should be referenced = in the text, so I'll try to make sure as many as possible are referenced = in an updated version of this PR.

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I just reviewed the references that aren't currently in the text, and they're all congestion control related, which is the next section that I plan to properly document, so they should be referenced soon.

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I agree that the ability to have a longer than 64 bit connection ID is p= otentially useful. @martinthomson Are you saying that the HRR should inform t= he client of the new, longer connection ID? If so, that seems reasonable, = but it leaves us with a few more questions:

  1. Does there need to be a public flag bit indicating a 128 bit connection= ID? (I suspect yes)
  2. Is there a realistic need for anything longer than 128 bits? (I suspe= ct/hope no)
  3. Is there a requirement it only be used once version negotiation is comp= lete? (I suspect no, since we may want to use it when resuming)

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= ----==_mimepart_5887515d75315_4b943f9118789130429958-- From nobody Tue Jan 24 05:12:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B45121295E6 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 05:12:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i8wKDhx7vyar for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 05:11:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B44851295E4 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 05:11:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=kVqRzff681F18EgXyCYSxdgniAw=; b=Br+eI4wuHVribfoX 5LdJi/fGXNli/LR5BFi7/NBwf6YPA+IT2GpphjtzmCXtb4XRYIVWZuXYF3bZ+84Z oNzn3DCefzgXYvXD3d3yZvVA1PzL5J4uazqnPruCjgvK/syQQfKXDqjw0YSdO8HQ frS18OH6l3RlrhsAYhNh4VvRTOk= Received: by filter0632p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0632p1mdw1-1730-5887529A-2D 2017-01-24 13:11:54.180005797 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 52NYRdbVSsOjvoXuFkCfNw for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 13:11:54.083 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 05:11:53 -0800 From: ianswett To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] DoS using Version Negotiation Packets (#135) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58875299f0fb2_1b253f911878913038867"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1wAYDrzrfInr5BySRfrLLbY3wrD8W4e7K3tw 7hobUCv6qjyzD7i+qN6+dqriiY1f/JpXCJPAoyKkR80u3xy7LMT39RGnmKptpLD67fwFwCHiw5peGY PWPk4sjVqraDY23wPM86NmBbaAScyF/jNLu6ZOWt0+VwHeNL5wF04gXSwbT1aLFEuuGQQiwUf/dTmw 0= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 13:12:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58875299f0fb2_1b253f911878913038867 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good point @RyanAtGoogle . I believe the consensus was to append 4 bytes(ie: "QUIC") to the 4 bytes of client version when the version negotiation bit was set true. I think it was widely agreed that these 4 bytes should NOT be in every client packet. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/135#issuecomment-274798875 ----==_mimepart_58875299f0fb2_1b253f911878913038867 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Good point @RyanAtGoogle . I believe the consensus was to append 4 bytes(ie= : "QUIC") to the 4 bytes of client version when the version negotiation bit= was set true.

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I think it was mentioned today that this is no longer an issue, is that correct @igorlord ?

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Agreed, start over is the correct answer.

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One a related note. The first timestamp in the ACK frame is a 32-bit val= ue stated to be relative to the connection start, measured in microseconds.= This only allows for 71 minutes of connection time after which it must rol= l over somehow. If the same field was stored in 2 bytes in uf16 global ther= e is more than enough range and the gradual precision loss relative to the = starting time doesn't really matter. It also saves two bytes and avoids two= different encodings for the same value type.

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Similar scenario is described in issue #200. This was discussed in proto-quic:

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Updating this after an offline discussion with @ianswett. The crux of the issue = here, if I understand correctly, is that we want packets to be declare (som= ehow) if they were sent by a client or by a server. For "regular" packets, = we have the auth hash which solves this problem. So that leaves the two spe= cial packets: Version Negotiation and Public Reset packets. Public Reset pa= ckets can only be sent by the client, so that leaves us with just the Versi= on Negotiation packet.

So if we renamed the "public reset" bit to be the "special packet" bit (= as @ma= rten-seemann suggested), then we could have the following bit patterns= :

00 - regular packet - no version present (could be sent by either endpoi= nt, the hash will differentiate)
01 - regular packet - with the version present (sent by the client)
10 - special packet - version negotiation (sent by the server)
11 - special packet - public reset (sent by the server)

This seems like a nice solution to the problem which does not require th= e client to devote 4-bytes to a static value in every 0-RTT packet.

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I don't like the notion that we have to have some "slop" in the limits= . That's an opening that an attacker might use for denial of service.

This could be addressed by having an endpoint consider a stream up unt= il the point that it receives acknowledgment of its close, as Ryan claims= that Google's code currently does.

However, I don't think that Ryan's point about waiting for a server FI= N is enough. That only works if the client completes its transmissions b= efore the server completes its transmissions (i.e., the server FIN is an = implicit acknowledgment of a client FIN). We've plenty of cases where se= rvers finish first in HTTP/2, see #165 for an example.

Contrary to what @kazuho suggests, this could work when a server pushes becaus= e the client does have to send a FIN on the server-initiated streams. QU= IC doesn't transition from the reserved state into a half-closed state li= ke in HTTP/2, so the client has to close its side before the stream becom= es closed. My original idea there was to insist that the client FIN as s= oon as possible, but it could wait and send the FIN as an acknowledgment.= Of course, that doesn't fix the problem for client-initiated streams at= all.

This might be addressed by #175.

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Merged #216.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All of those arguments apply more to the connection-level flow control window. 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All of those arguments apply more to the connection-level flow control= window. The initial stream flow control window only determines the dist= ribution of the flow control window. An endpoint could just make the num= ber bigger from the start. There aren't many downsides to that.

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HelloRetryRequest could provide a new connection ID. We'd need a tweak = to the transport parameters to permit it, but that's easy.

If we have a longer connection ID, I would suggest that we make all of t= hem longer and we would only use a flag bit to "compress". I don't think t= hat we need more than 128. However, 128 isn't enough to do something like = encrypt a value and add an authentication tag, so maybe 128 isn't enough.

Yes, I think that connection IDs are hugely useful - if not necessary - = during resumption. To that end, I think that we might also want to put a c= onnection ID in a session ticket so that a resumed connection can use the r= ight routing information (without also creating a correlator).

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= ----==_mimepart_5887e81e64a9f_17923ff17bff513479954-- From nobody Tue Jan 24 16:05:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E8C1295BA for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 16:05:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.218 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.218 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xcc4ai51-pHC for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 16:05:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D59561295B9 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 16:05:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=s2fLBazQA7gsBnaL+gc6ULzEhE0=; b=fhMJQRHd8myz2Y5E MRWweLlTvh7p+PCKF+dKEQx+VJks6V2G2vZDGGW1RHNwFriWrSWZlLAHJZWzMboq veU8AdR0aAvx7ogXy8NCrvK5QM9d/JIecnywdT4Wxd1X+0RZjpc6TzT1BOsnsC+q g24+VHrPzHRfe9fK7MSRrBZAYAo= Received: by filter0443p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0443p1mdw1-25415-5887EBD2-49 2017-01-25 00:05:38.567024704 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id MYWswVIxTqimqWri1JxOeA for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 00:05:38.309 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 16:05:38 -0800 From: Igor Lubashev To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection migration should be indistinguishable from a new connection (#203) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5887ebd23584a_6c2a3fc5556d513c615c2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0NV5AEZh4JeSNAuxitMJU0ikfmRhGEe64VQ9 hG5uN94QVKfQFDBGUmZHDLRFFS8QWWOuG04Ewi9Xvf+VKqD8CLqjgZRUMLGtkw03IhttEQneSaxWUJ ctry1VC6ctJwfhUeQyBkGvuzZvkFdKDu6zHk4tRIs64OR9WVB4d1Nk9FtogYOWO1sMUXep5z+9xMbQ o= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 00:05:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5887ebd23584a_6c2a3fc5556d513c615c2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @marten-seemann But @mirjak makes a valid point. The sender may be unaware. It could be a case of a NAT rebinding (new outgoing UDP port) or you are on a WiFi spot provided by a cell-connected router that just migrated to a different operator. Trying to confuse the network, you are confusing the server as well (unless your server is a single lonely box on a rack somewhere). CDNs are complex networks with multiple machines coordinating to present you with a nice "server" abstraction. If you are successful in confusing the network, you will confuse CDNs and as a result end users will get suboptimal performance and reliability for their connections. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/203#issuecomment-274979665 ----==_mimepart_5887ebd23584a_6c2a3fc5556d513c615c2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@ma= rten-seemann But @mirjak makes a valid point. The sender may be unaware. It could= be a case of a NAT rebinding (new outgoing UDP port) or you are on a WiFi = spot provided by a cell-connected router that just migrated to a different = operator.

Trying to confuse the network, you are confusing the server as well (unl= ess your server is a single lonely box on a rack somewhere). CDNs are compl= ex networks with multiple machines coordinating to present you with a nice = "server" abstraction. If you are successful in confusing the network, you w= ill confuse CDNs and as a result end users will get suboptimal performance = and reliability for their connections.

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While a longer ConnectionID would serve my needs nicely, certainly can b= e cases when this information is not needed. I would rather see "additional= public header data" separate from the 64-bit ConnectionID. That ExtraData= could be set in session ticket. Then, the ExtraData would show up in the p= ublic header when the client is doing resumption.

This is just a thought; not a requirement...

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You're right of course, the client may not know about a network change.<= /p>

Then I still think we should think more about making the first packet un= distinguishable from the rest of the connection. Of course this will not st= rictly be possible (since you can always trial-decrypt it), but we can at l= east make it harder.

Maybe one possibility would be to randomly send public headers similar t= o the initial packet, e.g. set the version flag and include a greased versi= on list every Nth packet or so.

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The quic-tls draft says:

  What about 0-RTT data?  Should we allow acknowledgment of 0-RTT with
  unprotected frames?  If we don't, then 0-RTT data will be unacknowledged until
  the handshake completes.  This isn't a problem if the handshake completes
  without loss, but it could mean that 0-RTT stalls when a handshake packet
  disappears for any reason.

I assume what you're talking about here is the case where the server's first flight of packets are lost, because the server can only find itself in one of two positions because the CH must fit in a single packet.

  • It has no ClientHello, in which case it must buffer any packets
  • It has a ClientHello, in which case it can can complete the handshake by sending its first flight.

My sense is that having stalling of 0-RTT in the case where parts of the server's first flight are lost is not that big a deal. If you really don't want stalling, you should retransmit faster :)

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----==_mimepart_5887f3947ce23_3ac13fc7ad67113c164047-- From nobody Tue Jan 24 16:42:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41EB21295E6 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 16:42:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.037 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.037 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KwgrHlsm3bLa for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 16:42:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0BB4C1295DE for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 16:42:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=VDPJhq5qTklL/JDlSMLO2uYhAXI=; b=mi64qa7q/15ByVXK AoRRA4NNjC+9J/jFask24auWPhb7V5yXNgnpVtCTbMYZa097rFKkYCT4WEcrqcWI tbhSYDhBB1ghZLd84znFSCFFulf+mMfZu7BurehsHu7WIzbl68cZAAnyaTTFtnwa teHU2scLREFtPJ1ZNIBt3nNZjnk= Received: by filter0498p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0498p1mdw1-28781-5887F455-10 2017-01-25 00:41:57.279707113 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id gobleUjBTpuhuxy78WJ6sA for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 00:41:57.281 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 16:41:57 -0800 From: ekr To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Re-use of PSK (#222) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5887f45531bf9_6a733fb4847b7140142247"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2OlBPjmjnEncNFjm2g7KX/k1v0WXW2vy1G4T EFoe3HqtfnyX/lceNlqzG2mIhCgmHuXZgT449Uj1eFndCPMety3bwOzrNwXf/Ddgj+eLlkww5iUw8s q9fUEH9j0B7RVna/oeZpBjLrUY/yFhR1u7eavohxPegv9+g8flujnWYxPA== Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 00:42:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5887f45531bf9_6a733fb4847b7140142247 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit S 8.3 says: ``` A source address token is opaque and consumed only by the server. Therefore it can be included in the TLS 1.3 pre-shared key identifier for 0-RTT handshakes. Servers that use 0-RTT are advised to provide new pre-shared key identifiers after every handshake to avoid linkability of connections by passive observers. Clients MUST use a new pre-shared key identifier for every connection that they initiate; if no pre-shared key identifier is available, then resumption is not possible. ``` This seem like an unnecessary requirement. Reusing the same PSK ID seems fine here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/222 ----==_mimepart_5887f45531bf9_6a733fb4847b7140142247 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

S 8.3 says:

A source address token is opaque and consumed only by the server.  Therefore it
can be included in the TLS 1.3 pre-shared key identifier for 0-RTT handshakes.
Servers that use 0-RTT are advised to provide new pre-shared key identifiers
after every handshake to avoid linkability of connections by passive observers.
Clients MUST use a new pre-shared key identifier for every connection that they
initiate; if no pre-shared key identifier is available, then resumption is not
possible.

This seem like an unnecessary requirement. Reusing the same PSK ID seems fine here.

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----==_mimepart_5887f10a76262_3ac73fc7ad67113c3587-- From nobody Tue Jan 24 16:55:30 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C341295D1 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 16:55:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.219 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.219 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1ZQpNdztUwSN for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 16:55:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCF8E1295DB for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 16:55:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=FnhSJfoF7v0A/OArLueYcRereYM=; b=Vb7/B+90ZkGRVFjN yZNJUG7G60mGqJ0+P4cgHWURa/ZCnzURqG6GI/OLBpA4gjPD6rx5WZcNBZzkLIVv tpEYH3o2M7cKleeHwA1wTo1STr/ETc5Lmf3B3ACWgaudCxAbrZCvTZhJ7Fr4s7EK UxllgjfZzAk4n6UDkD4eV/ScB8Q= Received: by filter0559p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0559p1mdw1-15036-5887F76A-A 2017-01-25 00:55:06.134616628 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id Ca1aSMB5T-iXEEQ6eiJlzg for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 00:55:06.183 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 16:55:06 -0800 From: Brian Trammell To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Variable-length fields (#40) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5887f76a18967_686e3f9c230f513c204ab"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: britram X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2hKGY5+joINOsfG+3IOtwPP4XcmlAZp+t/Rz +vFb2rVkQHWTpB3jqZe+dPqg4maJUY6kgPtlpGXoX39HKoxorIzY6YTjcqm0xLFtfq7IgtkrxYLBrC KBoneiaMkEACg0+XmFYTpe7VDOJ2eDvbwVgL2ZTMpFIW3CGlxNCaiQEfINwn7DqZhaQnXlAGXr4kzy o= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 00:55:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5887f76a18967_686e3f9c230f513c204ab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (from a side conversation with @ekr) one solution to this on the stream layer would be to use a variable-length integer encoding that embeds the length within the encoded value itself, i.e.: 00bbbbbb = 6 bit unsigned 01bbbbbb bbbbbbbb = 14 bit unsigned 10bbbbbb bbbbbbbb bbbbbbbb bbbbbbbb = 30 bit unsigned 11bbbbbb bbbbbbbb bbbbbbbb bbbbbbbb bbbbbbbb bbbbbbbb bbbbbbbb bbbbbbbb = 62 bit unsigned (The utility of being able to quickly calculate offsets without parsing an entire header for values in the packet header means, IMO, that it still makes sense to try and use fixed-length fields or, to the extent possible, fixed-structure headers as in #148) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/40#issuecomment-274987873 ----==_mimepart_5887f76a18967_686e3f9c230f513c204ab Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

(from a side conversation with @ekr) one solution to this on the stream layer would = be to use a variable-length integer encoding that embeds the length within = the encoded value itself, i.e.:

00bbbbbb =3D 6 bit unsigned
01bbbbbb bbbbbbbb =3D 14 bit unsigned
10bbbbbb bbbbbbbb bbbbbbbb bbbbbbbb =3D 30 bit unsigned
11bbbbbb bbbbbbbb bbbbbbbb bbbbbbbb bbbbbbbb bbbbbbbb bbbbbbbb bbbbbbbb =3D= 62 bit unsigned

(The utility of being able to quickly calculate offsets without parsing = an entire header for values in the packet header means, IMO, that it still = makes sense to try and use fixed-length fields or, to the extent possible, = fixed-structure headers as in #148)

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My question was actually the opposite -- CONNECT gives you a TCP connect= ion through the proxy. In a hypothetical speaking-QUIC-to-proxy world, wou= ld we want an alternative method that let you get a UDP/QUIC connection thr= ough the proxy?

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It could probably be moved if we decide not to proceed with that. Closes #117. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/225 -- Commit Summary -- * Add definition of transport parameters to -transport * Define the extension in -tls * Add a stub iana section, fix dead references * are are are * Jana's comments * Jana's comments * Reflow * Add transport parameters to the interface definition * Use better anchor names * Don't require storing of 0-RTT parameters * Remove mention of SCUP -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (150) M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (282) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/225.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/225.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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This builds on #122. It could probably be moved if we decide not to proceed with that.

Closes #117.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/225

Commit Summary

  • Add definition of transport parameters to -transport
  • Define the extension in -tls
  • Add a stub iana section, fix dead references
  • are are are
  • Jana's comments
  • Jana's comments
  • Reflow
  • Add transport parameters to the interface definition
  • Use better anchor names
  • Don't require storing of 0-RTT parameters
  • Remove mention of SCUP

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QUIC AEAD usage in quic-tls draft currently says "associated data, A, for the AEAD is an empty sequence." The current rationale is that the public header fields do not need to be authenticated since the connection ID, flags, packet number, and version number are all effectively covered by encryption/decryption.

We have at least 1 public flags field that is as yet unused. Since we do not know its use yet, we may want to authenticate the header to future-proof.

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----==_mimepart_5888073e3ef5c_1c023fc264f6d1302196f5-- From nobody Tue Jan 24 18:05:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76192129602 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 18:05:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.752 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.752 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oQydKm02_Ilt for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 18:05:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62B9A1295F8 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 18:05:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 18:05:20 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1485309920; bh=bywmIMiBOP494ltUKz1Dxl5Xww2dyvlZgadhzS06tQk=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=IbGSwKR2f2taV1Xak1EMyWf95XOR1Qv7UJ99S6EeUUgzj3d73V7We8Sn+ccDC3VcV PbHQFPwtrC94uaohMiT5MHmBiVHnRaN/4IkxWlUhzNWUR5JNlOAkl+zbeLQa0gIo7S Wyc3w2RGtSIT8WwcjPEB784dyKhpb+7D5CUoR1NE= From: Lucas Clemente To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Encrypt the initial cleartext packets with a deterministic key (#227) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_588807e0bd96e_47d03fefc737513022511b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: lucas-clemente X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 02:05:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_588807e0bd96e_47d03fefc737513022511b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an alternative to #167: We could just encrypt the cleartext data in the initial handshake packets with a deterministic key (e.g. a mixture of a version-dependent key and the initial packet number). The AEAD used there would have to be fixed in the spec. The goal would be to make it harder for middleboxes to ossify on stuff in the client hello, e.g. SNI, and to detect initial packets (#203). On the other hand, there's additional computational cost for decrypting packets server-side. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/227 ----==_mimepart_588807e0bd96e_47d03fefc737513022511b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This is an alternative to #167: We could just encrypt the cleartext data in the initial handshake packets with a deterministic key (e.g. a mixture of a version-dependent key and the initial packet number). The AEAD used there would have to be fixed in the spec.

The goal would be to make it harder for middleboxes to ossify on stuff in the client hello, e.g. SNI, and to detect initial packets (#203). On the other hand, there's additional computational cost for decrypting packets server-side.

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It's worth noting the AEAD would have to be fixed per QUIC version, but not fixed for all time.

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Discussed in Tokyo; seems reasonable.

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Discussed in Tokyo; same as #97, now a dup.

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I can think of mildly problematic middlebox behavior that QUIC could blo= ck by authenticating the public header. For instance, a middlebox could ins= pect a CHLO and then rewrite the connection ID to aid in classification and= traffic shaping.

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Don't have write access to the wg-materials repo.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/pull/3

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  • HTTP presentation

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Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/d6dd44ae80c6...c34823425166 ----==_mimepart_58880b861bd12_3be33feb9d6e713469f0-- From nobody Tue Jan 24 18:21:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0428012960C for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 18:20:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D9Bl33boubnB for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 18:20:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3170D129606 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 18:20:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=74StIjUVlNclhdtjORP3QjPVrWY=; b=Hiy4gfVEjjtaGRl6 9OmWuRNRHkCRY6vH99KQlBPT1VoR2zm8Yvn0OTNf+2L1FLx5BZCTE5G5kIbuqgRK pMu1VlJDDlGsymw8CRo7mFKzJEQLWz2WP9pmKIR8AjUi/NMpGccb5inEBM1JOhZH 8MyJ1ihX71q2XnXRav594y0pV+M= Received: by filter0549p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0549p1mdw1-24349-58880B86-21 2017-01-25 02:20:54.418418752 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id frm9jsZRTUSYKNRnz9ohBQ for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 02:20:54.318 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 18:20:54 -0800 From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove TLS messages that are no longer used in 1.3. 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Merged #220.

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Yes, this is a pretty simple bug to fix.

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@ianswett, that's only true if we decide to "protect" the version negotiation packet. Otherwise, it could be version-specific.

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----==_mimepart_58882b602566d_27c63fce8981f14075ed-- From nobody Tue Jan 24 20:38:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 959231296D7 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 20:38:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l93oxJBltoxC for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 20:38:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5FBA61296C5 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 20:38:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=huFStM34v363qbht112ZH47O3tw=; b=dNErT/EQVi5i6l4Y QC9QI66ZK3xuYFw+3n6T3fT/eWqRLFaZgqogEo7LwxoTBGS+oVaUuj02VzR38TF0 eZVBnMf22nwlFev2dCV36E7zyUiEfe5osaZWzFtVIjR37Frc8whR5FEgfOIfIh+T 966Ag+CXWV0FVwH0rFp3HkU5dSM= Received: by filter1089p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1089p1mdw1-28077-58882BB3-A 2017-01-25 04:38:11.267255511 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id YCEf3cVWT6S6hsYdaJFRBg for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 04:38:11.266 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 20:38:11 -0800 From: Tatsuhiro Tsujikawa To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP: Why are we defining CONNECT? (#202) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58882bb330901_307f3f8a2afb9138175244"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: tatsuhiro-t X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0uiiOauRM7fGjAZCrM60SlBrjQEEU3XRm9MR nXHghkgtMxm7VjW4W1cyu+MbgWX+FNX4HfXViDxsu4qY4Y1r/itucOE/ek9rho2jDQ9v/Hd826YX8w EZuI2zw4DbR33j9S0Mwnb3W8YOEbW+/hlHk3doDVWaTC33+sPNJ3GyFe10qrx/7PsPoB64hDeAro+V Q= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 04:38:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58882bb330901_307f3f8a2afb9138175244 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The use case of CONNECT method in h2 is HTTP/2 proxy. Tunneling request (stream?) to the upstream server. h2 proxy is supported by Chroimium and Firefox. We have some users doing this. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/202#issuecomment-275017284 ----==_mimepart_58882bb330901_307f3f8a2afb9138175244 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The use case of CONNECT method in h2 is HTTP/2 proxy. Tunneling request (stream?) to the upstream server. h2 proxy is supported by Chroimium and Firefox. We have some users doing this.

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----==_mimepart_58882bb330901_307f3f8a2afb9138175244-- From nobody Tue Jan 24 20:43:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E3A1296EA for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 20:43:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H8CvMmieFchQ for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 20:43:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C2B51296E7 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 20:43:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=8681CD+nBsNtLIJhz1H0Z05Kkv4=; b=bMyTSOBv6+ugnwjE S8JUlJi9wWwTVv5TLy/SWlr9wfbA7nK3ykEldVkPNtFJIqS25BWyBRt55pRLqbfJ z/goMTBU2kx5gibH5qU3h4SADU3Q+eVZKH3NtRVb/IgUDMnN28cCetuSzs9EnxVd Tp84TJ1ejneijoBOTag4XUkkvUw= Received: by filter0534p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0534p1mdw1-31491-58882D04-38 2017-01-25 04:43:48.960615902 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id SZk8_bSTQJmr9zDeLRhO7A for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 04:43:48.889 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 20:43:48 -0800 From: ianswett To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Encrypt the initial cleartext packets with a deterministic key (#227) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58882d04bfbc1_305a3f8a2afb9138293495"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0SC/lRgBZltA1nGdSt3pfGDBdsG5MEJAx1hw xbF52gJ9aqzDjHSN9+9l4JltdeVvlBHgRHXvBtS7pyIVPPJFFXsOTG0ffXjgogXRYQKJwz8u8jf7Hf jZEauZMPOIOjd8atl/gwh9sAwJ8vyDWizZxGq1fVhjI6CL3K3IffhPlrJP7Y23+OaDPF8epnWWjxgA c= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 04:43:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58882d04bfbc1_305a3f8a2afb9138293495 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I meant that it should be version-specific, but I said that in a potentially confusing way. We keep coming back to the theme that the version negotiation packet can't be protected in any way, because we don't want to be stuck with the same protection for all time. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/227#issuecomment-275017911 ----==_mimepart_58882d04bfbc1_305a3f8a2afb9138293495 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, I meant that it should be version-specific, but I said that in a po= tentially confusing way.

We keep coming back to the theme that the version negotiation packet can= 't be protected in any way, because we don't want to be stuck with the same= protection for all time.

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Discussed in Tokyo; some doubt about the usefulness, but Chrome + Google= Data Saver expresses interest in using it. If semantics are different than= normal HTTP CONNECT, it's not CONNECT...

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----==_mimepart_5888331c988cb_3b123fb1ecb5713c1374b6-- From nobody Tue Jan 24 21:15:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD7312962F for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 21:15:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.752 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.752 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KdR3RGoBAkbW for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 21:15:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 58FE4129431 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 21:15:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 21:15:46 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1485321346; bh=NgQyva9+ABfBxlPyC2q2Ja54kNFgNahHnq1SDnPGaK0=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=u+fIQekr6dRUekReeO3j2TmR2g5QkUkKytCJvyDHSPbeqVC5iTfmBwnG50YVs/Th6 2XLmtzXEerASeXcFmeLeDuxQf+XTD9TLK8L2YICQwm258Cm11xj5CoK+OMiSEaess1 ClM9psFpJwDUpWG4spBMcvTdLEIy3ev40FjQUIps= From: Mike Bishop To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] HPACK relies on in-order delivery (#228) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_588834824d927_294583fe164b1d1381409a5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 05:15:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_588834824d927_294583fe164b1d1381409a5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit QUIC doesn't make order guarantees between streams. The options on the table currently are: - Current (-01) draft puts a sequence number in the frames; HPACK data MUST be handled in order, and will HOL-block. HPACK is exactly the same as HTTP/2. - Buck's proposal (draft forthcoming) puts two sequence numbers in the frames and modifies the HPACK encoder to prevent blocking references. Partially-received HPACK frames must block until fully received. The new encoder could also be used in HTTP/2, but would require changes to existing code. - [QPACK](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bishop-quic-http-and-qpack) modifies HPACK to be order-resilient and permit partial frames to be processed, but breaks from the HPACK encoding enough that you'd have at least some separate code paths. Also agreed to put a "hard-hat warning" in this section of the HTTP draft, to warn readers this is still work-in-progress. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/228 ----==_mimepart_588834824d927_294583fe164b1d1381409a5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

QUIC doesn't make order guarantees between streams. The options on the table currently are:

  • Current (-01) draft puts a sequence number in the frames; HPACK data MUST be handled in order, and will HOL-block. HPACK is exactly the same as HTTP/2.
  • Buck's proposal (draft forthcoming) puts two sequence numbers in the frames and modifies the HPACK encoder to prevent blocking references. Partially-received HPACK frames must block until fully received. The new encoder could also be used in HTTP/2, but would require changes to existing code.
  • QPACK modifies HPACK to be order-resilient and permit partial frames to be processed, but breaks from the HPACK encoding enough that you'd have at least some separate code paths.

Also agreed to put a "hard-hat warning" in this section of the HTTP draft, to warn readers this is still work-in-progress.

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As discussed at the Tokyo interim, we might choose to use a less generic name for this and to avoid colliding with an existing but incompatible usage.

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----==_mimepart_588835ce90027_2bb43fc81baa913c606c7-- From nobody Tue Jan 24 21:31:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902951297AC for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 21:31:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.156 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.156 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TYqZhDOGXNnG for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 21:31:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1123A12978C for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 21:31:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 21:31:37 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1485322297; bh=XafeGzz209ciPK6TbGbl0RL/SWy2O6HJkRV9usdZEN0=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Imw5Xvv7gqLblQIYhLo6H3t8bcjc8TNn2uJley3NtPozHCxWY3RzX7WtRfJsC6GrF DWn06QUPVyJ+pOoTRibblilAuebX1Q9lla6cZ7UyuZWI5kFMTPqU0hQ7mdec0GqSlK 5B8/RUFNhmb+/kPGfjLvRAiyEU2gfzcWeLJM1y6w= From: Lucas Clemente To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Resetting Streams (#165) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58883839653cd_29a33fa6cdfd51344536"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: lucas-clemente X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 05:31:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58883839653cd_29a33fa6cdfd51344536 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just discussed this topic some more with @janaiyengar and @marten-seemann in the coffee break. I think we found a problem with the REQUEST_RESET frame in its current incarnation: If the peer receiving the REQUEST_RESET has not finished sending his data in the meantime (i.e. no FIN), it has to send some kind of RST_STREAM again. Now, the other peer (possibly still sending data, e.g. its 404 page) would also stop sending, which we don't want in this case. I now think a clearer solution than the REQUEST_RESET frame would be to modify RST_STREAM. It would gain two bits: One indicating whether a offset is present, and one indicating its direction. Then, the first peer in the above model could indicate that it acknowledges the "REQUEST" (and doesn't want its own reset) with the direction bit. In turn, if it really wants a reset, that would work too. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/165#issuecomment-275023226 ----==_mimepart_58883839653cd_29a33fa6cdfd51344536 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I just discussed this topic some more with @janaiyengar and @marten-seemann in the coffee break. I think we found a problem with the REQUEST_RESET= frame in its current incarnation: If the peer receiving the REQUEST_RESE= T has not finished sending his data in the meantime (i.e. no FIN), it has= to send some kind of RST_STREAM again. Now, the other peer (possibly sti= ll sending data, e.g. its 404 page) would also stop sending, which we don= 't want in this case.

I now think a clearer solution than the REQUEST_RESET frame would be t= o modify RST_STREAM. It would gain two bits: One indicating whether a off= set is present, and one indicating its direction. Then, the first peer in= the above model could indicate that it acknowledges the "REQUEST" (and d= oesn't want its own reset) with the direction bit. In turn, if it really = wants a reset, that would work too.

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I will note that you can easily have more streams than packets -- consider a situation where you send relatively short (100-200 bytes) messages in individual streams.

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Discussed in Tokyo; people need to see a more concrete proposal. @martinthomson to noodle on it.

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As discussed in Tokyo, @ianswett will come up with a PR to reflect the removal of STOP_WAITING. We'll close related issues at that point.

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Advisory text might include:

  1. priority might inform the choice of what packets are sent, including re= transmissions
  2. retransmission could result in greater utility than transmission of new= packets because it allows any buffered by undelivered packets to be freed = up from flow control windows
  3. when flow control space is low, retransmissions might be preferred to a= void stalling
  4. poor or suboptimal implementation of this will eventually resolve itsel= f because retransmission is always possible, if the flow control window is = closed, then you can always repair gaps

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My two cents:

If an application is very performance oriented, it should be responsive = to data arriving and draining quickly, flow control should not be the limit= ing factor in that case. OTOH, if an application is performance oriente= d and gone to the trouble of expressing priorities, it should expect those = to be honored. So in my opinion, I think expressed priorities should trum= p, and retransmission of lower priority data over newer higher priority dat= a would be a mistake.

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= ----==_mimepart_58884d2f3e920_4f643f901195113c1315ae-- From nobody Tue Jan 24 23:03:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A915129850 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 23:03:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.737 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.737 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WYguboUzjxKW for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 23:03:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0AA9129842 for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2017 23:03:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=ZhKJXuwIEIM4Ng+jEJMiuhwYCkY=; b=ef6szecH7uL/3f94 PnTCuwzfD+GPe3aTwKvq3ZNmchrbYQsbBZL8N+Hq+A33+FlyRu/Rp1UON1FVnWYe iVmBzwve4E53PkWYQvQ5w+anppx6YFrnelSxVJXVEPF3ZzAG6dPgRSTmlPaCYizd SETueg3rDAUko6aWPzDRXFAFDhQ= Received: by filter0194p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0194p1las1-27030-58884DCE-5E 2017-01-25 07:03:42.955858875 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id RuCU_4CkSdWECexHg-vqPQ for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 07:03:42.937 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 23:03:42 -0800 From: mirjak To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Given recommendations on when/how often to send ACK frames (#230) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58884dced0467_b0a3fa6fbd7b13029936f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mirjak X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2aqfldcVKUDiXTLp0CFcJa3bq5QsdB5R6z2T KszBbwOyvySxxX0mfX1JulMH1KvdwZhE+CKrT29lsMQ5hHpwAtMVPfnlBoSZIzZbHRtyFecDudEvbo aliUGhm1yARbZiMqCTYY9DJ9TS51MDnaltIB+ugg8plIBA5qZpdqdHkgCg== Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 07:03:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58884dced0467_b0a3fa6fbd7b13029936f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The spec just doesn't say anything about this so far. You at least want to put in some minumum requirement (like MUST send at least X ACKs per RTT). Also related but might be a separate issue that I'm not sure about yet: Is there a value in having a mechanism for the sender to tell the receiver how often it would like to receive ACKs? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/230 ----==_mimepart_58884dced0467_b0a3fa6fbd7b13029936f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The spec just doesn't say anything about this so far. You at least want to put in some minumum requirement (like MUST send at least X ACKs per RTT).

Also related but might be a separate issue that I'm not sure about yet: Is there a value in having a mechanism for the sender to tell the receiver how often it would like to receive ACKs?

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@ianswett, @janaiyengar, do you want to take this with the loss recovery draft?

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One more to add: congestion state reset for the new path.

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I think this bit should be in the transport draft (mainly because it's the receiver behavior that is rather independent of the recovery and congestion control at the sender)

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Encrypt the packet number with ECB or something like it. This is probably a bad idea but I wanted to write it down. I had an idea last night about encrypting the packet number. Here's a diagram of a QUIC regular packet: ``` +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Flags (8) | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | | + [Connection ID (64)] + | | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | [Version (32)] | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Packet Number (8/16/32/48) ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | {Encrypted Payload (*)} ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ``` The insight here is that the reason that the packet number is outside of the encryption is because it is used as the nonce for the AEAD function. However, there are encryption algorithms (which we usually avoid for various reasons) which do not need a nonce. Specifically, what we could do is derive two keys: K_h: header encryption K_p: packet encryption So you get: ``` +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Flags (8) | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | | + [Connection ID (64)] + | | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | [Version (32)] | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ^ | {Packet Number (8/16/32/48)} ... | encrypted with K_h +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ v | {Encrypted Payload (*)} ... ^ | | encrypted with K_p +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ v ``` This of course leaves the question of which crypto mode you use to encrypt the packet number. The natural choice is ECB, but that only works with data values the same size as the cipher block, which for AES is much bigger than the packet number (128 bits). So, that's waste, though you might of course add stuff to the block if we had other headers. We could use 3DES (which has a 64-bit block) or FFX (which can be used with any block size, but at some additional computational cost). Two pre-emptive responses to common questions: 1. Yes, ECB and FFX are not generally as good as AEAD algorithms, in particular because they don't have integrity and they reveal patterns in the plaintext. However, this is data which would (a) otherwise be in the clear and (b) is folded into the ordinary AEAD integrity check. 2. As long as we correctly generate K_h and K_p independently using a KDF, then any weaknesses in K_h don't implicate K_p. Again, this probably isn't worth doing with the current amount of stuff in the headers, but I wanted to write it down so that people. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Quoting myself from the mailing list:

TL;DR. Encrypt the packet number with ECB or something like it. This
is probably a bad idea but I wanted to write it down.

I had an idea last night about encrypting the packet number. Here's
a diagram of a QUIC regular packet:

  |   Flags (8)   |
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
  |                                                               |
  +                     [Connection ID (64)]                      +
  |                                                               |
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
  |                        [Version (32)]                         |
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ 
  |                  Packet Number (8/16/32/48)                 ...
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
  |                    {Encrypted Payload (*)}                  ...
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

The insight here is that the reason that the packet number is outside
of the encryption is because it is used as the nonce for the AEAD
function. However, there are encryption algorithms (which we usually
avoid for various reasons) which do not need a nonce. Specifically,
what we could do is derive two keys:

K_h: header encryption
K_p: packet encryption

So you get:

 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
  |   Flags (8)   |
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
  |                                                               |
  +                     [Connection ID (64)]                      +
  |                                                               |
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
  |                        [Version (32)]                         |
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ^ 
  |                 {Packet Number (8/16/32/48)}                ... | encrypted with K_h
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ v
  |                    {Encrypted Payload (*)}                  ... ^
  |                                                                 | encrypted with K_p
  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ v

This of course leaves the question of which crypto mode you use to encrypt
the packet number. The natural choice is ECB, but that only works with
data values the same size as the cipher block, which for AES is much
bigger than the packet number (128 bits). So, that's waste, though you
might of course add stuff to the block if we had other headers.
We could use 3DES (which has a 64-bit block) or FFX (which can be used
with any block size, but at some additional computational cost).

Two pre-emptive responses to common questions:

  1. Yes, ECB and FFX are not generally as good as AEAD algorithms, in
    particular because they don't have integrity and they reveal patterns
    in the plaintext. However, this is data which would (a) otherwise be in the
    clear and (b) is folded into the ordinary AEAD integrity check.

  2. As long as we correctly generate K_h and K_p independently using
    a KDF, then any weaknesses in K_h don't implicate K_p.

Again, this probably isn't worth doing with the current amount of
stuff in the headers, but I wanted to write it down so that people.

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----==_mimepart_58885b79ed080_3c153fd9ddd4d1304004ce-- From nobody Wed Jan 25 00:02:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D4F6129875 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 00:02:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.815 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.815 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lFM-9lAgHeg8 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 00:02:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D52A8129871 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 00:02:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=2AcDL6G2eR3qvgt0iYGfH6iJphY=; b=HySHdIE+FGAKHc1y cHgnHJuT6VVDY32va0oImPFWf5IUKFzuM2z3hEzackBu3nqOPeZ4vq8wr+Kae/9B ngLSJfQCBleIFk13/shfJcnAcMmvgpZucV4oNvHghwBg8BPhzkaTS7hyFbF4ug5h eLMjGWOM+Yt7g48/TwclVHtfaCk= Received: by filter0041p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0041p1las1-2412-58885B9B-3 2017-01-25 08:02:35.117498568 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id E5QvzdRARIO6WZwQb-sO4Q for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 08:02:35.081 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 00:02:34 -0800 From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] New connection ID message (#232) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58885b9af2ce1_53143f97a4283130724ea"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0Mhg3xtD3/MHwWnBcW+F91XJE/87siPdU4po xZuHFQPErpHDsZoEmGM/9AOHmV3+H7vffxiOHBi2X3vTe/eQKme47A6de0st2822ZrOyPC7EO8f58G Prp3dJCWkf/yj1Q/VZ3kUF8S/0AmlkqczwIxoyJcMhINUNqx9+ihG6tAjqJ4mV4Hy916T+cuX+UZEB 8= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 08:02:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58885b9af2ce1_53143f97a4283130724ea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In order to break linkability across events that are known to an endpoint, we should explore the possibility of having each endpoint provide the other with a new connection identifier AND a number of packet numbers that should be skipped. This allows an endpoint to continue using the same connection on a new path without linking use of that new path to use of the old path. You need to change connection ID and packet numbers or they can be used for linking. That doesn't preclude the use of other signals for linking, but it removes obvious ones. This wouldn't address all of the potential linkability issues we identified, but would help in cases where an endpoint is aware of the need - or even potential need - for a gap in linkability. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/232 ----==_mimepart_58885b9af2ce1_53143f97a4283130724ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In order to break linkability across events that are known to an endpoint, we should explore the possibility of having each endpoint provide the other with a new connection identifier AND a number of packet numbers that should be skipped. This allows an endpoint to continue using the same connection on a new path without linking use of that new path to use of the old path.

You need to change connection ID and packet numbers or they can be used for linking. That doesn't preclude the use of other signals for linking, but it removes obvious ones.

This wouldn't address all of the potential linkability issues we identified, but would help in cases where an endpoint is aware of the need - or even potential need - for a gap in linkability.

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boundary="--==_mimepart_5889182656d02_1bec3fbb49e2f13c11967"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0WnkEWbu8JtwA1w+pWvQxS1hcJUGXQDFFqpi XtXJAJjGhbIn6dXt9+fIKaN+FnvlSbBfspEYhNwmG8Zg0Hy8HxKzU+LnybM473i0fuyhuAk1YlTpz+ awm8KL64cIIOOSUi2kutU+QWlbRwvjcvH+tpa/uCG+3+yJ/AEWDQZ1RrtuVBEA68+Knyw4sKBVGJX1 0= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 21:27:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5889182656d02_1bec3fbb49e2f13c11967 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll note that @MikeBishop's model here is fairly straightforward, and I'll probably write that up. It means: * the reserved state no longer is a first class entry in the state machine * gaps in an otherwise contiguous sequence of stream numbers implies that the streams in the gap are open, just that you haven't seen a packet on it just yet * those streams count toward concurrency limits * this can be used by an endpoint to create space for sending in the future (that is, PUSH_PROMISE) Note that these streams would not be reserved at the point that a PUSH_PROMISE is received. The streams would be created when the gap was noticed. That's really the only difference functionally. Interesting note: h2 closes streams in a gap, but since we have non-determinism in arrival times, we have to either say nothing about the state of those streams or use this rule. Since saying nothing leads to fragmentation in the space that a receive allocates for incoming streams, the no-gaps rule works best. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I'll note that @MikeBishop's model here is fairly straightforward, and I'll pr= obably write that up. It means:

  • the reserved state no longer is a first class entry in the state machin= e
  • gaps in an otherwise contiguous sequence of stream numbers implies that= the streams in the gap are open, just that you haven't seen a packet on it= just yet
  • those streams count toward concurrency limits
  • this can be used by an endpoint to create space for sending in the futu= re (that is, PUSH_PROMISE)

Note that these streams would not be reserved at the point that a PUSH_P= ROMISE is received. The streams would be created when the gap was noticed.= That's really the only difference functionally.

Interesting note: h2 closes streams in a gap, but since we have non-dete= rminism in arrival times, we have to either say nothing about the state of = those streams or use this rule. Since saying nothing leads to fragmentatio= n in the space that a receive allocates for incoming streams, the no-gaps r= ule works best.

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No gaps SGTM. Open with no data seems equivalent to 'reserved', but doesn't require an extra state.

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The draft currently says:

Frames of unknown types are ignored.

Which is basically impossible. The only option an endpoint has when it encounters an unknown frame type is to throw out the entire frame or terminate the connection. We should pick the latter.

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Based on the copy in quicwg/wg-materials

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Commit Summary

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BTW, the IESG has new text. See martinthomson/i-d-template#74

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Fixes #229

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I believe this was agreed to in the interim; @mnot, can I merge the PR and close?

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There appears to be a hard-hat warning already present.

Per discussion during the lunch break yesterday, Buck and I concluded th= at all schemes on the table achieve consistency if we can guarantee the fol= lowing things (I'm not certain we can):

  • The HTTP layer will never RST a message control stream
  • The QUIC layer will never RST a message control stream with any error c= ode other than REFUSED (i.e. guarantee that no frame was delivered to HTTP)=
  • The HTTP layer will always replay the same HPACK frame on a different stream if a REFUSED is encountered or the= HTTP layer can roll back all effects of the frame when a REFUSED stream is= encountered.

Note that the last is very different than the semantics of REFUSED in HT= TP/2, where the request MAY be retried, but the same original headers will = be recompressed with the state of the table at the time of the retry.

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It doesn't change flow control, as far as I understood it. If the headers are in the same flow control window as the bodies, then the request can be blocked. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/204#issuecomment-275285847 ----==_mimepart_588951b3462ce_26eb3fbdda57d1407341c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

How does #175 fix this? It doesn't change flow control, as far as I understood it. If the headers are in the same flow control window as the bodies, then the request can be blocked.

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Discussed in Tokyo; clients will not include a connection ID in the first flight of packets until it receives one from the server, i.e., we're moving to server-generated connection IDs

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 Where multiple versions are listed, the order of the values reflects the
 server's preference (with the first value being the most preferred version).
 
-QUIC versions are four-octet sequences with no additional constraints on format.
-Versions containing octets not allowed in tokens (tchar, {{!RFC7230}}, Section
-3.2.6) MUST be encoded using the hexadecimal representation.  Versions
-containing only octets allowed in tokens MAY be encoded using either
-representation.
+On receipt of an Alt-Svc header indicating HTTP/QUIC support, a client MAY
+attempt to establish a QUIC connection on the indicated port and, if successful,
+send HTTP requests using the mapping described in this document. Servers SHOULD

I think that I would rather the SHOULD here be a MUST. (Then the "but" that follows isn't a "but".)

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That last requirement is horrific. It essentially means that you can't = commit any change to the header table without the ability to roll it back. = Maybe we can take a good hard look at stream refusal and whether that coul= d be moved to the HTTP layer somehow.

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Actually, you are right. #175 doesn't apply (or my frazzled brain has forgotten the chain o= f logic that leads to that conclusion).

As for the upload case, that's a problem solved by priority. If the GET= request isn't high enough priority to get access to the flow control windo= w, then clearly waiting is the right thing.

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Fixes #181, which was discussed in Tokyo.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/236

Commit Summary

  • Removed SETTINGS_ACK and made settings immutable
  • Prohibit server from sending until it sees SETTINGS

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----==_mimepart_58895c6488727_677d3f8203f6d140783e7-- From nobody Wed Jan 25 18:18:25 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D37129439 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 18:18:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.037 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.037 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TKMrugIKa6Ed for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 18:18:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFEE7129441 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 18:18:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=9Cb1R6dE2Xyd8Qk5yr642JNb1mk=; b=ZNJQauFkN+mIoU1z k0jiGEJ2mBph9ODmn37wuaoUEm0ThoWztCFZROomj/x2fbE8dXg+lgLqpn5NR0Ty xJ0EknJFAJSz8OFU3sMc+zc4qE5RZdneSjBVotL0dv7UTjWMetz0yiRHIZZgAAXO gIlplhp2K19XmUM36elNzohcj6E= Received: by filter0425p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0425p1mdw1-5199-58895C64-3E 2017-01-26 02:18:12.704070694 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id -JcPGT11RLWTLWiABPbPZA for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 02:18:12.613 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 18:18:12 -0800 From: Mark Nottingham To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Minimum packet size (#69) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58895c647be43_5d843ff07303d13c1172c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mnot X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak00X/byLDu3YCJlSAiz8XMki4ns7aJHB+aB+v XhK/zOD4RqwNxpjj6GnTjG2j/1nHkcOcDN5QaWYWolLoSLxf8szdD72CAJ9CaykVbrTdlLc8T3oUlS 0f4v2WUwJb8U3tsXanmQklG3uyN3/6tZLCAUTv6wlbc91YKxkw1bJdr6Mkq4tuxVPVRolxPvvdPu6u 8= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 02:18:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58895c647be43_5d843ff07303d13c1172c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As discussed in Tokyo, resolved as part of #64 / PR #106 -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/69#issuecomment-275292325 ----==_mimepart_58895c647be43_5d843ff07303d13c1172c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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As discussed in Tokyo, resolved as part of #64 / PR #106

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I've incorporated feedback on the text into a PR for #235; @mnot, are we ready to close this original issue?

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As discussed in Tokyo, client MUST pad initial packet to at least 1280, and MAY pad up to the PMTU, if known. No requirement put on server.

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----==_mimepart_58895f7b91420_580d3fdd6d725134875d5-- From nobody Wed Jan 25 18:35:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A20129441 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 18:35:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.673 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.673 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uUS25EfZMHYd for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 18:35:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D184129430 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 18:35:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=ogypQelnUx/32AxxgiGyc3xIUy0=; b=dBkHuHJAAtRGFObu NZom7G0rPc9u5apYU3UutuYAXtMmNtMDzlLdhyF34SSPQ73MqDi7tr/Pn00/Ri5f SA8odVtgJBxyxRdZK3kPnsoW/OFqO4RWOh7DFbcSp06hrdohuAG4aEm699fEu6IL nDdjfzDH3fPX+ExV8wA98yKyjww= Received: by filter0839p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0839p1mdw1-27750-58896058-3C 2017-01-26 02:35:04.643407607 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id KuxgVjTmQCmuYQoUq3g70g for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 02:35:04.657 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 18:35:04 -0800 From: Mark Nottingham To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] RST_STREAM and flow control (#162) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_588960588cac6_7c63fe91a9c71409101f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mnot X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0P3K2wP8eJ4yAeg8jWjfGeOuPh22hEwQ+jHa y0g19rhk9jV7a7y1971qW43ORI30VwKK0OF68Agihq7QGqCFPDk5tfrMp10zdmFiY3y6sb1Gdeqjq+ 2f8NwA5VvWWtFDuX7PZ09rbqnKI16IOElSDBV4nY6BdiEtOrp9xz/w1rNd9H0SOdoq9oyyujVttOkj w= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 02:35:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_588960588cac6_7c63fe91a9c71409101f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Consensus confirmed in Tokyo -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/162#issuecomment-275294352 ----==_mimepart_588960588cac6_7c63fe91a9c71409101f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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I have two minor comments about the text added to address this original = issue:

  1. The "optionality" of quic=3D parameter. I inferred this parameter is opt= ional (Mike supported that in discussion), would it help to make a more exp= licit comment? Something like "absence of the quic parameter indicates the = server has no preference to the QUIC version".

  2. The language of the whole section speaks in the context of a server adve= rtising HTTP/QUIC for itself, rather than an origin advertising an alternat= e service on a different host. Am I missing something here? Perhaps it woul= d help to loosen the language a little?

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We already discussed this and decided that it was 1280 plus some if you were feeling lucky.

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@ianswett says that we need a hard line recommendation on when a WINDOW_UPDATE is required. He suggests that once you get to 1/3 of the space you have allocated to flow control remaining, you SHOULD send a WINDOW_UPDATE along with the next ACK.

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Discussed in Tokyo; agreement in the room that we should not exempt anything except stream 1. Follow-on effects on HTTP need a new issue.

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Parsing all possible header blocks could require a significant number of header parsers operating concurrently. Since headers tend to be delivered as a single package to applications, that means that the parsers need sufficient space to hold all the partially complete data.

This can be addressed by only reading from the streams that an endpoint is able to, but that increases complexity and exposure to head-of-line blocking.

This cleaves off the second part of #204.

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@MikeBishop suggests collapsing stream 1 into stream 0; editors to pursue using their discretion. Also a question of whether stream 1 should have stream-level flow control.

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Discussed in Tokyo; agreement that it's a good idea. Randomise some number of the bottom bits.

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This issue will be solved when we make the changes discussed in #119, since the client won't even pick a connection ID for the first packet.

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Included in resolution to #52 and related

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Discussed in Tokyo. Need to work on the abstraction and the interface to TLS. Need to expand upon how to generate the token and what to do when you don't have a token.

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----==_mimepart_5889911d48a93_7a653fdec2e1f13c111039-- From nobody Wed Jan 25 22:04:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944DC1293FB for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 22:04:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.109 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.109 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 485tLOr3Wn3e for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 22:03:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77DC0126FDC for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2017 22:03:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 22:03:58 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1485410638; bh=bhUZ+idwkU7is6I2aMB6DvBI8aQOalzzTryCKTXa7w0=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=GM3NllDVX1h1KJHDbA4iov02fm0zEAneVrBzINKerPyj29iDn/L2gJm1a+J3rXVK9 /TJUerZB9EehIkUALWo34igMSQWUSybGzW6COK4VC6rgjZxaMmOL00YyfKtIkAy+2S QKotDyjJE0avQuYPG2pcaofWIwrynCRMXnsxVaD8= From: ekr To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC packet header complexity (#148) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5889914ebd968_6b663f9d37fb11341509bd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 06:04:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5889914ebd968_6b663f9d37fb11341509bd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was going on about two options: option 1: special bit option 2: magic token -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/148#issuecomment-275314268 ----==_mimepart_5889914ebd968_6b663f9d37fb11341509bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I was going on about two options:

option 1: special bit
option 2: magic token

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My understanding of the way the mechanism is supposed to work is that once the handshake is finished, QUIC takes over the encryption; if server wants to send an NST, it needs to send it on stream 1, using TLS record layer on said stream, and said TLS record shall not be encrypted. If that is so, this should be clarified, because otherwise this can be interpreted as a requirement to double-encrypt streams (on QUIC packet layer with QUIC key, and on TLS record layer with TLS traffic keys).

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Section "Registration of Version Hint Alt-Svc Parameter" still refers to "v" rather than "quic".

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As discussed in Tokyo, @ekr to write up "special packets" proposal & then we'll revisit this

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As discussed in Tokyo, editors to propose a resolution for ACKs and STREAM frames.

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There might be a way in which both sides of a connection could agree (by convention, protocol, or explicit signaling) that a particular stream is closed WITHOUT sending a FIN and spending the extra octets. This could be used by HTTP to avoid the FIN that a client currently has to send when receiving a server push.

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As discussed in Tokyo, we need to make sure that the design of QUIC can support many streams of small objects, but increasing the number needs a more concrete motivation

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As discussed in Tokyo, remove the restriction that zero-byte padding can only occur at the end of the packet

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As discussed in Tokyo, (2) is addressed by packet size being 1280, (3) is an application issue, and (1) and (4) should be addressed by retransmitting a number of times and then aborting, a la TCP.

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For example if the version negotiation packet is lost, there's no ACK frame for the receiver to signal anything to the sender, we should specify what the loss recovery behavior for version negotiation and other special packets is.

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The HTTP/QUIC mapping document is missing consideration for HTTP/2 extension mechanisms. This is part of the charter text:

This mapping will accommodate the extension mechanisms defined in the HTTP/2 specification.

RFC 7540 (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7540#section-5.5) defines three extension mechanisms, lets order these as:

  1. New frame types
  2. New error codes
  3. New settings

I can see how 1 and 2 might work out, following Mike's example of augmenting existing definitions and allowing for things that exist in the HTTP/2 and HTTP/QUIC spaces to be managed somewhat independently. A concrete use case I have is the ALTSVC frame (especially when used on stream 0), so I'm happy to contribute towards this issue with some guidance.

3 has some problems related to proposed SETTINGS changes.

Finally, extensions that coulf change of semantics are a bit problematic (does it change the HTTP or the QUIC semantic, if that either of those is even possible). Additionally, the negotiation of these is trickier given the additional negotation concerns of QUIC (0-RTT etc).

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Just for reference, this is how we implemented it in quic-go: https://github.com/lucas-clemente/quic-go/blob/master/utils/float16.go

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I copied some test cases from that implementation.

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----==_mimepart_588a5f6a3dd22_6f03ffce08ab13876627-- From nobody Thu Jan 26 12:52:43 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80038129B7D for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 12:52:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.25 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.25 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2BjWAcePPyyY for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 12:52:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B1F7129B6A for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 12:52:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=9/Ce6BJ8dsSU2hHPg9sKEurWu/8=; b=D26uuoFxx0gRbOVM 93oQGXYgB1s8pbAMer0+oM4gFA4PGR6r6zKzj0sdgIu0xAV0SG4lF7ZBmcVenkt3 p/DkjXJQEPgtJc9Q02jaRlN8mWcenBDUCXU3HEraAflSiZWv8rXzcEYtS+Gb3kro 6/FFRUUta+CLQ4j2OMgfygsupjE= Received: by filter0946p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0946p1mdw1-6961-588A6196-26 2017-01-26 20:52:38.469237195 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id VVg0dv5XTlSC8Po3h9-TWA for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 20:52:38.538 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 12:52:38 -0800 From: martinduke To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] AEAD Associated Data (#243) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_588a61966d05e_678a3fc1472e7140247337"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3F/Z1owzdOH/+VXHY47PIgUNy4kM++dj+gVM xor9/PV/Z9iGfEa3LJ9uRPFtz+PX1yomRpK0IjllBqINiQyvXUZu1Fah8o5GMKU09sAdsgT2ANX6r/ LUW1j0jkpbDByTmCJjRhDur2on7hu2XgY202amjKLuonWqA51QpZTuCICXLjP/lPhBv9N/vORxGhKp I= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 20:52:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_588a61966d05e_678a3fc1472e7140247337 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The TLS draft currently states that the associated data for AEAD encryption is the empty sequence. This is a deviation from legacy QUIC, which uses the public header as associated data and thus authenticates those fields. Packet number authentication is already accomplished due to its inclusion in the IV. In Tokyo, there was considerable interest in a couple of features that require integrity of Public Header fields: - Greasing the unused bits in the Public flags - The connection ID may be used for routing. It is probable that firewalls might block unused public flag bits, particularly if any middlebox could potentially alter them without detection to send a signal. Therefore, I suggest that we restore use of the full publice header as associated data. I see no reason that this would impose excessive costs on the receiver. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/243 ----==_mimepart_588a61966d05e_678a3fc1472e7140247337 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The TLS draft currently states that the associated data for AEAD encryption is the empty sequence. This is a deviation from legacy QUIC, which uses the public header as associated data and thus authenticates those fields. Packet number authentication is already accomplished due to its inclusion in the IV.

In Tokyo, there was considerable interest in a couple of features that require integrity of Public Header fields:

  • Greasing the unused bits in the Public flags
  • The connection ID may be used for routing.

It is probable that firewalls might block unused public flag bits, particularly if any middlebox could potentially alter them without detection to send a signal.

Therefore, I suggest that we restore use of the full publice header as associated data. I see no reason that this would impose excessive costs on the receiver.

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I would agree with this proposal, for all the reasons you mentioned. This becomes critical if anything new is added in the unencrypted portion of the packet.

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Now that the client does not send a connection id in its version negotiation (see #119), client needs a public nonce in the packets. That prevents an off-path attacker guessing client source port and interfering with the client establishing connections with a given sever by spoofing version negotiation failure packets as if coming from that sever. That nonce should be returned by the sever in its version negotiation packets. Previously, client's connection id served such a purpose.

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I don't read the charter text as requiring that every individual extensi= on work unmodified in HTTP/QUIC, simply that equivalent extension mechanism= s exist. If people feel differently, we may need broader discussion to rea= ch consensus on that part first.

I suspect 3 will work out the same way that 1 already works -- modify th= e registry to have additional columns saying whether the setting is support= ed in HTTP/2 or HTTP/QUIC, and if so, the specification that describes how = it works. That will take some text.

For 2, an extension can define new error codes, but we're currently maki= ng no guarantees that the same error code can be applied in both places. W= e'll have to think about how much consistency we want. HTTP/QUIC will prob= ably accommodate semantic-changing extensions the same way HTTP/2 did -- by= stating that peers can implement whatever modifications they want via expl= icit agreement.

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= ----==_mimepart_588aa505ff87_34d93ff052237134172849-- From nobody Thu Jan 26 17:42:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15D9129BD5 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 17:42:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.116 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.116 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bWAsJNTFOnza for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 17:42:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext7.iad.github.net [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E9A9129A9C for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 17:42:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 17:42:16 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1485481336; bh=46i3WRDBHKomT7miv5AG3ODKQrtvhPg6evI5qwyBaHc=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=02+N4hfsS6emmJ53AsCz1Nh8tLWN6Wt5WiacU7yRsNfTcL/uva2/zBdJUw8orOpr0 qjFMKc5sieOvDnKP/TIf5ykmBVztvrlYAUysqq8gFvCRzkz9janI4md/ph4DWIIz7t GjWCPOD0yNAwcEefnQG5BsHtu8emcF/NoZUzRKIY= From: Mike Bishop To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] What do we do if special packets are lost (#241) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_588aa578a0190_425e3ff7c435b1401493f9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 01:42:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_588aa578a0190_425e3ff7c435b1401493f9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think this is already dealt with -- the server responds with a Version Negotiation packet to *every* packet from the client. If any packet and its response make it through, the client will know what to do. If no packet pair makes it through the whole round trip and the client gets no response, the client will assume that its packet was lost and retransmit it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/241#issuecomment-275568477 ----==_mimepart_588aa578a0190_425e3ff7c435b1401493f9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think this is already dealt with -- the server responds with a Versi= on Negotiation packet to every packet from the client. If any p= acket and its response make it through, the client will know what to do. = If no packet pair makes it through the whole round trip and the client g= ets no response, the client will assume that its packet was lost and retr= ansmit it.

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It's an accommodation of H2 extensions, not a guarantee of like-for-like. I confused myself with some of the changes to the treatment of stream IDS. Rereading the HTTP/QUIC spec, I can see that stream 3 is still reserved. So an ALTSVC frame for "H2 stream 0" would be sent on stream 3. Presumably an ALTSVC frame for "H2 stream > 0" simply maps to the appropriate response control stream. Here's a can of worms idea, which is likely a non-starter but I'll throw it out there. Would the QUIC core transport itself support extension frames? If it did, how about the creation of QUIC extension frames to elide H2 extension frames? For example, a new ALTSVC frame for QUIC. This could allow other mappings to indicate other services (pretend that it's not called HTTP Alternative Services :) ). On 27 Jan 2017 01:40, "Mike Bishop" wrote: I don't read the charter text as requiring that every individual extension work unmodified in HTTP/QUIC, simply that equivalent extension mechanisms exist. If people feel differently, we may need broader discussion to reach consensus on that part first. I suspect 3 will work out the same way that 1 already works -- modify the registry to have additional columns saying whether the setting is supported in HTTP/2 or HTTP/QUIC, and if so, the specification that describes how it works. That will take some text. For 2, an extension can define new error codes, but we're currently making no guarantees that the same error code can be applied in both places. We'll have to think about how much consistency we want. HTTP/QUIC will probably accommodate semantic-changing extensions the same way HTTP/2 did -- by stating that peers can implement whatever modifications they want via explicit agreement. =E2=80=94 You are receiving this because you authored the thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub , or mute the thread =2E --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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H2 extensions, not a guarantee of like-for-like.

I confused myself with some of the changes to the treatment of stream IDS.<= br> Rereading the HTTP/QUIC spec, I can see that stream 3 is still reserved. So=
an ALTSVC frame for "H2 stream 0" would be sent on stream 3. Pres= umably an
ALTSVC frame for "H2 stream > 0" simply maps to the appropriat= e response
control stream.

Here's a can of worms idea, which is likely a non-starter but I'll = throw it
out there. Would the QUIC core transport itself support extension frames? If it did, how about the creation of QUIC extension frames to elide H2
extension frames? For example, a new ALTSVC frame for QUIC. This could
allow other mappings to indicate other services (pretend that it's not<= br> called HTTP Alternative Services :) ).

On 27 Jan 2017 01:40, "Mike Bishop" <notifications@github.com&= gt; wrote:

I don't read the charter text as requiring that every individual extens= ion
work unmodified in HTTP/QUIC, simply that equivalent extension mechanisms exist. If people feel differently, we may need broader discussion to reach<= br> consensus on that part first.

I suspect 3 will work out the same way that 1 already works -- modify the registry to have additional columns saying whether the setting is supported=
in HTTP/2 or HTTP/QUIC, and if so, the specification that describes how it<= br> works. That will take some text.

For 2, an extension can define new error codes, but we're currently mak= ing
no guarantees that the same error code can be applied in both places. We= 9;ll
have to think about how much consistency we want. HTTP/QUIC will probably accommodate semantic-changing extensions the same way HTTP/2 did -- by
stating that peers can implement whatever modifications they want via
explicit agreement.

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So, not a= s easily. We could define an =E2=80=9COTHER=E2=80=9D frame or something li= ke that, which includes a length. But there's no obvious advantage to doin= g Alt-Svc in the transport layer. For connection migration, the ability to= advertise that a session may be seamlessly continued at another endpoint (= in either direction) might be interesting, but we're not there yet. Sent from my Windows 10 phone From: Lucas Pardue Sent: Friday, January 27, 2017 7:39 PM To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Mike Bishop; Comment Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP extension mechanisms (#242) I agree with your assessment of the charter text. It's an accommodation of H2 extensions, not a guarantee of like-for-like. I confused myself with some of the changes to the treatment of stream IDS. Rereading the HTTP/QUIC spec, I can see that stream 3 is still reserved. So an ALTSVC frame for "H2 stream 0" would be sent on stream 3. 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I suspect 3 will work out the same way that 1 already works -- modify the registry to have additional columns saying whether the setting is supported in HTTP/2 or HTTP/QUIC, and if so, the specification that describes how it works. That will take some text. For 2, an extension can define new error codes, but we're currently making no guarantees that the same error code can be applied in both places. We'll have to think about how much consistency we want. HTTP/QUIC will probably accommodate semantic-changing extensions the same way HTTP/2 did -- by stating that peers can implement whatever modifications they want via explicit agreement. =E2=80=94 You are receiving this because you authored the thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub , or mute the thread =2E =E2=80=94 You are receiving this because you commented. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread. --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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From: Lucas Pardue<mailto:notifications@github.com>
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Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP extension mechanisms (#242)

I agree with your assessment of the charter text. It's an accommodation= of
H2 extensions, not a guarantee of like-for-like.

I confused myself with some of the changes to the treatment of stream IDS.<= br> Rereading the HTTP/QUIC spec, I can see that stream 3 is still reserved. So=
an ALTSVC frame for "H2 stream 0" would be sent on stream 3. Pres= umably an
ALTSVC frame for "H2 stream > 0" simply maps to the appropriat= e response
control stream.

Here's a can of worms idea, which is likely a non-starter but I'll = throw it
out there. Would the QUIC core transport itself support extension frames? If it did, how about the creation of QUIC extension frames to elide H2
extension frames? For example, a new ALTSVC frame for QUIC. This could
allow other mappings to indicate other services (pretend that it's not<= br> called HTTP Alternative Services :) ).

On 27 Jan 2017 01:40, "Mike Bishop" <notifications@github.com&= gt; wrote:

I don't read the charter text as requiring that every individual extens= ion
work unmodified in HTTP/QUIC, simply that equivalent extension mechanisms exist. If people feel differently, we may need broader discussion to reach<= br> consensus on that part first.

I suspect 3 will work out the same way that 1 already works -- modify the registry to have additional columns saying whether the setting is supported=
in HTTP/2 or HTTP/QUIC, and if so, the specification that describes how it<= br> works. That will take some text.

For 2, an extension can define new error codes, but we're currently mak= ing
no guarantees that the same error code can be applied in both places. We= 9;ll
have to think about how much consistency we want. HTTP/QUIC will probably accommodate semantic-changing extensions the same way HTTP/2 did -- by
stating that peers can implement whatever modifications they want via
explicit agreement.

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The public reset has the same issue.

I'm not sure how serious an issue this is, since the attacker would also= have to guess the server IP and port as well as the client port. In pract= ice, this would be a very costly attack, because it only works during the h= andshake. Typically handshakes complete within a second, so to prevent a c= lient from connecting to a single IP/port, you'd have to send thousands of = packets a second, with no guarantee or acknowledgement of whether your atta= ck was a success?

If we think it's a serious issue, we could also reconsider requiring a c= onnection id from client to server on the initial flight.

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But the reason that headers and data streams are separate is so that one can be exempt and the other not. So.... why are we keeping them separate again? It might be simpler, particularly with the specter of #175 around, to bring back DATA frames and say everything's on one stream. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/245 ----==_mimepart_588e821958ed6_11f23fdd0db7b130126782 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In Tokyo, we agreed that headers streams would no longer be exempt from connection-level flow control. But the reason that headers and data streams are separate is so that one can be exempt and the other not. So.... why are we keeping them separate again?

It might be simpler, particularly with the specter of #175 around, to bring back DATA frames and say everything's on one stream.

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Fixes #204.

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Commit Summary

  • Remove connection-level flow control exclusion

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Nit: "stream 0 in HTTP/2" to avoid the inanimate possessive.

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I think that if we pursue this approach, we should have different fram= es for responses and pushes. That avoids having content conditional on t= he context.

A response wouldn't include headers (unless you collapse LINK+HEADERS,= which naturally leads to a separate TRAILERS frame...) and it would refe= rence a request stream absolutely because it's the server referring to a = client stream.

A push promise would include a header block, and could encode a stream= reference with a difference.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In #246, we agreed that the crypto stream and only the crypto stream would be exempt from connection-level flow control. It's also exempt from the congestion controller and has special rules about retransmissions. Is there a logical reason to have stream-level flow control on a stream that is a control channel? If not, let's make it clear that the crypto stream is special. Make it Stream 0, the stream that can't be given any stream-level flow control credit because it's a reserved value. The change is relatively modest, and seems like a good fit to our special snowflake stream. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/247 -- Commit Summary -- * Remove connection-level flow control exclusion * The special snowflake is stream 0 -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (11) M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (28) M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (21) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/247.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/247.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In #246, we agreed that the crypto stream and only the crypto stream would be exempt from connection-level flow control. It's also exempt from the congestion controller and has special rules about retransmissions. Is there a logical reason to have stream-level flow control on a stream that is a control channel?

If not, let's make it clear that the crypto stream is special. Make it Stream 0, the stream that can't be given any stream-level flow control credit because it's a reserved value. The change is relatively modest, and seems like a good fit to our special snowflake stream.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/247

Commit Summary

  • Remove connection-level flow control exclusion
  • The special snowflake is stream 0

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The current transport doc exempts stream 1 from *congestion control*. 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The current transport doc exempts stream 1 from congestion control. That seems to be unnecessary, potentially hard to implement, and maybe even dangerous.

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----==_mimepart_588e8b5bee49c_75893faf9e01f13443116e-- From nobody Sun Jan 29 16:46:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35C91298B1 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2017 16:46:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.751 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.751 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uZGyc2uydjRi for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2017 16:46:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5AC021298AE for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2017 16:46:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 16:46:04 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1485737164; bh=5xw8pcDmW76GfLY4PxcfekfKH+dHIi8wabAc6pe+rRo=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=AdxN5oBQKHk5DSbYiqgBo//W8MHjfT5OoV4pLQ0KVLXzLO7YgmivDD1tMkPlQlvSn JVEVSUtvYyaUknrYJn//lK+OSamXVCJx6QHDOoIFfXaEqlLpiR1qAIgJUFNZOPE7Ov ouRWc6A5b/lbuuxzGSFguZ9qYIXwGRUcxHI+kzPA= From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Move crypto to stream 0 (#247) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_588e8ccc8f1af_35f23fb54791913c18156"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 00:46:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_588e8ccc8f1af_35f23fb54791913c18156 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The big change here is that stream-level flow control doesn't apply to TLS - it becomes impossible to give stream 0 stream-level credit. Even with the exemption from the connection-level flow control, stream 0 was previously still subject to stream-level flow control. The change is safe because stream 0 carries mostly cleartext data and WINDOW_UPDATE was previously treated with some suspicion anyway. I'd like to confirm that this is acceptable with others before we merge this. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/247#issuecomment-275959967 ----==_mimepart_588e8ccc8f1af_35f23fb54791913c18156 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The big change here is that stream-level flow control doesn't apply to= TLS - it becomes impossible to give stream 0 stream-level credit. Even = with the exemption from the connection-level flow control, stream 0 was p= reviously still subject to stream-level flow control.

The change is safe because stream 0 carries mostly cleartext data and = WINDOW_UPDATE was previously treated with some suspicion anyway. I'd lik= e to confirm that this is acceptable with others before we merge this.

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The primary reason I have for maintaining separation is #176. At least with separate streams, you can cancel a request without having to also cancel headers.

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boundary="--==_mimepart_588e92f475fd8_66663fefb82d313c1821be"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0BKBxfzztD9PVUDuDuyoaCgATUcEZ4CYI2bv pMU5T1iYexM9E1hkKkgiSZ1F/fSgSqETH2rzrjHK3j7gYFmlUh9RkR3CZ3XjzUsAIpIVEWxaz9m4Jg WB/LS9ofvyjTspe6oVFNfbjXP5BWvBvLhKU6lR1iYCVOWjK3VUxx4ygR8+M7tiOCbtsNYrLxeMKQZS E= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 01:12:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_588e92f475fd8_66663fefb82d313c1821be Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To clarify, "this" is exempting stream 0 from stream level flow control as well? If so, I think so, but I'd like to hear if others have concerns. That conveniently still allows, stream 0 to be used in the WINDOW_UPDATE frame to indicate the connection's flow control window. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/247#issuecomment-275961873 ----==_mimepart_588e92f475fd8_66663fefb82d313c1821be Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

To clarify, "this" is exempting stream 0 from stream level flow control = as well? If so, I think so, but I'd like to hear if others have concerns.<= /p>

That conveniently still allows, stream 0 to be used in the WINDOW_UPDATE= frame to indicate the connection's flow control window.

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If stream 0 isn't controlled by stream-level flow control, this opens up= a DoS. A peer introduce a gap in stream data and then just send arbitrary = data with a higher offset. The receiver can't even verify if this data is a= valid TLS message, because the gap would prevent reading from that stream.=

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= ----==_mimepart_588e94af329b4_4dec3fb54791913c1656a1-- From nobody Sun Jan 29 17:28:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA6B1298C7 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2017 17:28:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.155 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.155 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gVMDQ7_NjW5w for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2017 17:28:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20A221298C6 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2017 17:28:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 17:28:21 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1485739701; bh=RhPfHqiAKo22Q2+ktUPpURCpAiwwQBxnrJGx4fyXn5g=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Q66wAER3OLYeRXqRMn/mb9ogCz4Bg/qgqsUzUl5qJtUlrmSz2m3H8w/z/T/79nl25 a0wPYzxXGgo6UQlc+uOB7g31d/oCNnY29Fwt7qJ9UU8jCSoiYh8xKfmA15hsKkzNBH ds9Y9u2aXIrjRFPyixhGIuZdCvRjutvzMDmgiExk= From: Marten Seemann To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Split headers/data streams (#245) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_588e96b55063b_325b3f8e078c113816523"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 01:28:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_588e96b55063b_325b3f8e078c113816523 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I remember correctly, during this discussion we discovered that having multiple HTTP parsers operating at the same time requires a huge memory commitment on the receiving side (issue #238). Furthermore, having a smaller number of HTTP parses running than there are concurrent requests potentially leads to a deadlock caused by connection-level flow control. The problem with HTTP/2 DATA frames is that it requires a layer violation: Since the remaining size of the packet is not known to the H2 layer, it can't create the DATA frame. This would have to be done by the QUIC layer, which ideally should be completely independent from the protocol that it is used by. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/245#issuecomment-275963177 ----==_mimepart_588e96b55063b_325b3f8e078c113816523 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If I remember correctly, during this discussion we discovered that hav= ing multiple HTTP parsers operating at the same time requires a huge memo= ry commitment on the receiving side (issue #238). Furthermore, having a smaller number = of HTTP parses running than there are concurrent requests potentially lea= ds to a deadlock caused by connection-level flow control.

The problem with HTTP/2 DATA frames is that it requires a layer violat= ion: Since the remaining size of the packet is not known to the H2 layer,= it can't create the DATA frame. This would have to be done by the QUIC l= ayer, which ideally should be completely independent from the protocol th= at it is used by.

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In reality, I don't think it's a DoS, because the receiver has an expe= cted max size for a handshake message. A CHLO is always 1 packet and a H= RR(aka reject) is multiple. If one side receives data way outside the ex= pected range, they can just terminate the handshake. In the case of the = server, if you're only doing stateless rejects, all CHLO's better have a = stream offset of 0.

Also, if the argument is that control messages(ie: public resets, flow= control updates, etc) can be processed immediately, and that's why they = don't count towards flow control, then I think the same argument applies = for the crypto stream, modulo any concerns about the size of a reject/etc= .

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Re: 2 streams per HTTP stream, I agree with Martin that the reason is you can't cancel headers streams.

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----==_mimepart_588e9f415b0cd_123193faf9e01f1341118a4-- From nobody Sun Jan 29 18:06:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA8C127078 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2017 18:06:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.381 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.381 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eGUUoddDSZ8H for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2017 18:06:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F503127058 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2017 18:06:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 18:06:51 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1485742011; bh=KFbeL/ec9lOirIezUE0Rkuway+FkL7QyJrUVVyxbYBU=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=n4qZ43Ogn2VDSAU/zHgFQby05SCBjDZs6eq69v8viQEBDTD3xNFkSIZIEflYkxuRs PapUjzR8ch9U8kQvAh4HKgQzoW10whYGiWRsd9jbMOudXwiklT0kj9LKGSC9vJ30GT AeIjSr/HPYCeiSICrl467fxum1UUNR48ZmKQdkJw= From: Marten Seemann To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Move crypto to stream 0 (#247) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_588e9fbbc077e_4dec3fb54791913c2889f0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 02:06:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_588e9fbbc077e_4dec3fb54791913c2889f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What about data received after the handshake? Terminating the connection if data beyond a certain offset is received sounds a lot like an implicit flow control window, just without the option to increase it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/247#issuecomment-275966346 ----==_mimepart_588e9fbbc077e_4dec3fb54791913c2889f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What about data received after the handshake? Terminating the connecti= on if data beyond a certain offset is received sounds a lot like an impli= cit flow control window, just without the option to increase it.

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I can't think of anything the client sends post-handshake, at least in Q= UIC crypto and TLS.

I'd like to think about it as imposing some sort of validity constraints= on the crypto stream which are specific to the crypto being done. ie: As = long as you're doing the crypto the peer expects, then all should go well. = If you deviate, then given how important crypto is to QUIC, the connection= is killed.

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@= marten-seemann -- no layer violation. DATA frames are an HTTP/2 conc= ept, and would be on the same stream with everything else.

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@ianswe= tt: Using TLS, there's the session ticket, but with reasonable limits= this will probably not be a problem (I'm not sure if that's true for ext= remely long-lived connections though).
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I think that @marten-seemann's point is that you have to drive frame-s= ize decisions based on packetization. You don't want to split a DATA fra= me across packets, but you don't know where a DATA frame will end up unti= l packets are being constructed. The HTTP layer can no longer just flush= data into a buffer and leave it at that.

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= ----==_mimepart_588eb260e70e2_7373f8e078c11381863dd-- From nobody Sun Jan 29 19:30:46 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E73120727 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2017 19:30:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.154 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.154 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fRdB69kuYeZs for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2017 19:30:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext4.iad.github.net [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6DB20120726 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2017 19:30:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 19:30:42 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1485747042; bh=ASpANWNm2XWw/UZCyVqDc652owxDSRPgqDziu+iYXIg=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=1Xe5KFEXmyqeJ5jg+IRg+NZ8hYMzzlv3GW/2JCtOYKhMGVzbPB262KIROFoKjg1gC 6X3Y/KA67B7rieTd3I2CygGCw9iMhlOuqHSKqUXmf6+e61R8gYxSTeO6og6iOlWNA2 VfNTfKavIrrXlQL/OP8mwfAzgxtZUqeWaJKFTJH0= From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Move crypto to stream 0 (#247) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_588eb362c6802_5b9c3f992f9a513415914a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 03:30:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_588eb362c6802_5b9c3f992f9a513415914a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If we look at the crypto handshake in the abstract, the only two functions that are needed are tickets and source address tokens. Both of these have to be less than 1280 octets. If we went the way that this PR suggests, I'd be happy to write advice about how much of that to accept. Maybe even require that a server not produce more than a small multiple of this limit without receiving any acknowledgment. That would allow a client to police this. The other thing that is somewhat unbounded is client certificates. That too is probably manageable on the same basis. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/247#issuecomment-275973507 ----==_mimepart_588eb362c6802_5b9c3f992f9a513415914a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If we look at the crypto handshake in the abstract, the only two funct= ions that are needed are tickets and source address tokens. Both of thes= e have to be less than 1280 octets. If we went the way that this PR sugg= ests, I'd be happy to write advice about how much of that to accept. May= be even require that a server not produce more than a small multiple of t= his limit without receiving any acknowledgment. That would allow a clien= t to police this.

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Perhaps I'm being stupid because I'm stuck in an airport, but... why n= ot? There's no requirement that the edges of the data frames line up wit= h the packetization. When the HTTP layer reads it, it's a bytestream. T= hat byte-stream contains frames -- or call them regions, if you prefer. = Those frame boundaries are independent of STREAM frame or packet boundari= es.

The ugly situations I can envision are that an implementation coul= d shoot itself in the foot with trailers: QPACK encode the headers,= dump a giant file into the transport, QPACK encode the trailers. If the= y're all on-stream, anything that depends on the trailers (potentially ot= her requests) will be blocked behind the giant body. You still don't dea= dlock, though, because nothing stops that stream from making progress. B= ut you can generate some very nasty head-of-line blocking.

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Ahh, you are right, as long as the implementation is willing to deliver partial DATA frames, there isn't a performance penalty.

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(Note that the nasty trailer situation is equally possible on two stream= s if the receiving implementation doesn't read=C2=A0the trailers until the = body has arrived....)

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I was going to mention client certs too - but I think I would rather have this PR and manage it heuristically than worry about the complications of flow control on a control stream. I favor merging.

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All of these look reasonable. In the future, though, I'd suggest a pull request per doc so you get the right editors' attention, unless you're making design/structural changes that have implications in multiple places.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Error Code field in RST_STREAM is at the end of the frame, while for GOAWAY and CONNECTION_CLOSE, it's at the beginning of the frame. @martinthomson had suggested making these consistent, so I went with the majority. 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The Error Code field in RST_STREAM is at the end of the frame, while for GOAWAY and CONNECTION_CLOSE, it's at the beginning of the frame. @martinthomson had suggested making these consistent, so I went with the majority.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1214,6 +1216,31 @@ The fields are:
 * Error code: A 32-bit error code which indicates why the stream is being
   closed.
 
+
+
+## REQUEST_RST Frame {#frame-request-rst}
+
+An endpoint may use a REQUEST_RST frame (type=0x08) to request a peer to
+abruptly terminate transmission on a stream.  The frame is as follows:
+
+~~~
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                        Stream ID (32)                         |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                        Error Code (32)                        |

Entered as #249 for the general case; updating here to match.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -endpoint sending an FIN flag causes the stream state to become "half-closed
-(local)".  An endpoint receiving a FIN flag causes the stream state to become
-"half-closed (remote)"; the receiving endpoint MUST NOT process the FIN flag
-until all preceding data on the stream has been received.
-
-Either endpoint can send a RST_STREAM frame from this state, causing it to
-transition immediately to "closed".
+From this state, either endpoint can send a STREAM frame with the FIN flag set
+or a RST_STREAM frame.  These indicate the clean or abrupt termination of data
+flow on the stream, respectively.  In either case, this causes the stream to
+transition into one of the "half-closed" states.  An endpoint sending an FIN
+flag or a RST_STREAM frame causes the stream state to become "half-closed
+(local)".  An endpoint receiving a FIN flag or a RST_STREAM frame causes the
+stream state to become "half-closed (remote)".  The receiving endpoint MUST NOT
+process the FIN flag until all preceding data on the stream has been received,
+but MAY process a RST_STREAM frame immediately and discard any preceding data.

I tried to make this change, but couldn't find a place that made sense. This is talking about the logic of stream state transitions, not about the parsing of the frame itself. Technically, the "MUST NOT process" really means "don't complete this state transition with outstanding data." I reworded this section to talk about the transitions and not the processing of the frame, which I think works better.

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----==_mimepart_588f50dd8796b_1f0d3f9c844fd1385605e1-- From nobody Mon Jan 30 06:49:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 961681294C4 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 06:49:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.653 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.653 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JV7hWZgO8hIg for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 06:49:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DBD41294BD for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 06:49:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=GUr//Lwr9eFKoyVWD8bUpHc5GEk=; b=TzA4BS2t7NQHX5DT otv/kXSvN57vI/qIvY+E6FyGX078w5ycKCZlfIW+ilAuKEnD6Ayy53k4mF+9tlrh aRHuhHir34aFX38MJre6ASIf1xKcU7DDef/dv4muItxnfMon9pgTZA31Nt92fwvM hM/GD9sC+Yui6krJUTnbFHSP+pc= Received: by filter0451p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0451p1mdw1-24655-588F5277-48 2017-01-30 14:49:27.890916929 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id zGz3VvB_SYea7Xxl8YKryA for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 14:49:27.797 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 06:49:27 -0800 From: Mike Bishop To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] First pass at REQUEST_RST (#171) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_588f5277a3ac5_13f6f3faf9e01f134198175"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3Sv3Nw0v8dWCUAlzrI3mOTTGl5jHhtjYve1q 1r5AxCsSl4Y+3QYZ1qp7SkLWzDV1UlxnpODFlGQ7Dkfikl3ZYWwapsRfpaxOQDeCli4NNVPkvI8mB1 84ePvoNdcg17EaZcBksATSByS0IsRrR3nVwifKNcXxp60+6rSnQue/G796aUpwsxQ+8FZYyDpm3BZQ 0= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 14:49:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_588f5277a3ac5_13f6f3faf9e01f134198175 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop commented on this pull request. > -transition immediately to "closed". +From this state, either endpoint can send a STREAM frame with the FIN flag set +or a RST_STREAM frame. These indicate the clean or abrupt termination of data +flow on the stream, respectively. In either case, this causes the stream to +transition into one of the "half-closed" states. An endpoint sending an FIN +flag or a RST_STREAM frame causes the stream state to become "half-closed +(local)". An endpoint receiving a FIN flag or a RST_STREAM frame causes the +stream state to become "half-closed (remote)". The receiving endpoint MUST NOT +process the FIN flag until all preceding data on the stream has been received, +but MAY process a RST_STREAM frame immediately and discard any preceding data. + +Either endpoint can send a REQUEST_RST frame in this state to request closure of +the stream in the opposite direction. This typically indicates that the +receiving application is no longer reading from the stream and all future data +will be discarded upon receipt. An endpoint SHOULD respond to a REQUEST_RST +with a RST_STREAM of type QUIC_RECEIVED_RST. Moved to its own section. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/171 ----==_mimepart_588f5277a3ac5_13f6f3faf9e01f134198175 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -transition immediately to "closed".
+From this state, either endpoint can send a STREAM frame with the FIN flag set
+or a RST_STREAM frame.  These indicate the clean or abrupt termination of data
+flow on the stream, respectively.  In either case, this causes the stream to
+transition into one of the "half-closed" states.  An endpoint sending an FIN
+flag or a RST_STREAM frame causes the stream state to become "half-closed
+(local)".  An endpoint receiving a FIN flag or a RST_STREAM frame causes the
+stream state to become "half-closed (remote)".  The receiving endpoint MUST NOT
+process the FIN flag until all preceding data on the stream has been received,
+but MAY process a RST_STREAM frame immediately and discard any preceding data.
+
+Either endpoint can send a REQUEST_RST frame in this state to request closure of
+the stream in the opposite direction.  This typically indicates that the
+receiving application is no longer reading from the stream and all future data
+will be discarded upon receipt.  An endpoint SHOULD respond to a REQUEST_RST
+with a RST_STREAM of type QUIC_RECEIVED_RST.

Moved to its own section.

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@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 An endpoint can receive any type of frame in this state.  Providing flow-control
 credit using WINDOW_UPDATE frames is necessary to continue receiving
 flow-controlled frames.  In this state, a receiver MAY ignore WINDOW_UPDATE
 frames for this stream, which might arrive for a short period after a frame
 bearing the FIN flag is sent.
 
+If an endpoint is no longer interested in the data being received in this state,
+it MAY send a REQUEST_RST frame to request that the peer close the stream.
+STREAM frames received after sending REQUEST_RST are still counted toward the
+connection and stream flow-control windows.  Even though these frames might be
+ignored, because they are sent before their sender receives the REQUEST_RST, the
+sender will consider the frames to count against its flow-control windows.
+
+If a REQUEST_RST frame is received on a stream that is already in the
+"half-closed (local)" state, a RST_STREAM frame SHOULD still be sent,
+so that no STREAM frames previously sent will be retransmitted.

I'm not sure what would be clearer. The spec does say:

When an endpoint sends a RST_STREAM frame, data outstanding on that stream SHOULD NOT be retransmitted, since subsequent data on this stream is expected to not be delivered by the receiver.

Maybe just "and"?

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Commit: 7ade6dae9e8a974587fd3a0f20fe9ae2402aa82a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7ade6dae9e8a974587fd3a0f20fe9ae2402aa82a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-25 (Wed, 25 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #223 from ekr/tls_editorial Minor editorial Commit: dc072d5cc4b1be91fd9a4a5f3a496c580e5eca62 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dc072d5cc4b1be91fd9a4a5f3a496c580e5eca62 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-26 (Thu, 26 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M CONTRIBUTING.md M README.md Log Message: ----------- Update the contributing guidelines Commit: 5ca0832de3d0ddf2b5f1434b48fcae007735dd20 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5ca0832de3d0ddf2b5f1434b48fcae007735dd20 Author: Mark Nottingham Date: 2017-01-26 (Thu, 26 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M CONTRIBUTING.md M README.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #234 from quicwg/contribv2 Update the contributing guidelines Commit: 03e0cd2f106de71a1f69c5d85be134154612c7bf https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/03e0cd2f106de71a1f69c5d85be134154612c7bf Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-29 (Sun, 29 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Fix HTTP_MALFORMED_* descriptions Commit: dcb0a2b7fef335bb3695b06a9b68b7d771a4bb77 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dcb0a2b7fef335bb3695b06a9b68b7d771a4bb77 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-29 (Sun, 29 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove connection-level flow control exclusion Commit: fb0b084741166adc4ebae82bcb2198b75e896734 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fb0b084741166adc4ebae82bcb2198b75e896734 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-29 (Sun, 29 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Fix doubled word Commit: 228cb39eeaf31596670cdc6cbaccbbbd5f16289c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/228cb39eeaf31596670cdc6cbaccbbbd5f16289c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-30 (Mon, 30 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #246 from quicwg/no_exemptions Remove connection-level flow control exclusion Commit: a27a8c7726bd581ad37a909dec327a1e72176a47 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a27a8c7726bd581ad37a909dec327a1e72176a47 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-30 (Mon, 30 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fixing comma splice See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_splice Commit: a37132543c535c7dbd6717c9cf63a7013e4e9332 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a37132543c535c7dbd6717c9cf63a7013e4e9332 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-30 (Mon, 30 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Centering text in figure Commit: 8bc87e672a28dbd095fda5626f106713e9dd0c4a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8bc87e672a28dbd095fda5626f106713e9dd0c4a Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-30 (Mon, 30 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M CONTRIBUTING.md M README.md M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into request_rst Commit: 636d8d0d6fbd0deb7d079cc6308ccbe9123bc531 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/636d8d0d6fbd0deb7d079cc6308ccbe9123bc531 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-30 (Mon, 30 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Martin's feedback on REQUEST_RST Commit: 4d7c4f60dc44f0a53ba2c20c0414afc05db74680 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4d7c4f60dc44f0a53ba2c20c0414afc05db74680 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-30 (Mon, 30 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Wrong word form Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/8451cf6dbb5a...4d7c4f60dc44 ----==_mimepart_588f5960e609d_4df33fe8226c314010946a-- From nobody Mon Jan 30 07:19:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728141299B0 for ; 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1402,24 +1429,23 @@ shown in the following figure and described below.
     ,---| reserved |------------.    | recv data
     |   |          |             \   |
     |   +----------+              v  v
-    |               recv FIN/   +--------+ send FIN/
-    |            app read_close |        | app write_close
+    |            send FIN/RST   +--------+ recv FIN/RST
+    |           app write_close |        | app read_close

Agreed, but that's separate. #182 covers this.

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The packet number and a potential packet number echo from the server would help here as well.

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The above description sounds correct to me, and I do think we want to do option 1 of the 3. Option 3 is attractive at first, but as you note, creates yet another way to tear down a connection.

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Merged #189.

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This isn't strictly editorial. Though I think we're OK with that sort of change here. @janaiyengar, if you think that this is OK, merge it. Otherwise, I guess we should close it.

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----==_mimepart_588fdd156722a_53e93fb06ea8b1382373c3-- From nobody Mon Jan 30 16:47:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B48129766 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 16:47:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n18qG37bqcth for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 16:47:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext7.iad.github.net [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59E2F129784 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 16:47:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 16:47:16 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1485823636; bh=6iqR1QOadFovqrDgDF6uezUagIM9HiS9uPqNrMcF68c=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=SoOgQi9vNPJtC3Xo/5BSGHd6yYU3x95s4tb8LT3vacBBCRD11ZPo0ohQfzdaOKXLp b7GuArEY42oLasmjwXX+o3CYjxg0D0/NvQrW+oV25EXZcVoGdcMOffkBpweida8nq/ HXDN+j6GdURVWMi19pEiDnxVeW/SJukXS5Cdx/G0= From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] First pass at REQUEST_RST (#171) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_588fde948dce6_1bda3f90f00b71404555e9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 00:47:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_588fde948dce6_1bda3f90f00b71404555e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > -Since streams are bidirectional, a sender of a RST_STREAM needs to know how many -bytes the peer has sent on the stream. If an endpoint receives a RST_STREAM -frame and has sent neither a FIN nor a RST_STREAM, it MUST send a RST_STREAM in -response, bearing the offset of the last byte sent on this stream as the final -offset. +RST_STREAM terminates a stream abruptly. Whether any action or response can +or should be taken on the data already received is an application-specific +issue. If the sender of a RST_STREAM wishes to explicitly state that no future +data will be processed, that endpoint MAY send a REQUEST_RST frame at the same +time. + +Regardless, it will often be the case that upon receipt of a RST_STREAM, an +endpoint will choose to stop sending data in its own direction. An endpoint that +receives a RST_STREAM frame MUST still close the stream for sending in the other +direction, either with a STREAM frame containing the FIN bit or a RST_STREAM +frame of its own, but MAY choose not to do so immediately. This doesn't really work for me. The "MUST still close" clause is toothless in light of the "MAY choose not to" that follows it. We should keep things like the MUST out of this. There are many cases where it is appropriate to close your writer when your reader aborts, but that will depend a great deal on context. I would avoid normative language in this paragraph and instead note that aborting a read might trigger the need for an abort on the write. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/171#pullrequestreview-19223659 ----==_mimepart_588fde948dce6_1bda3f90f00b71404555e9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -Since streams are bidirectional, a sender of a RST_STREAM needs to know how many
-bytes the peer has sent on the stream.  If an endpoint receives a RST_STREAM
-frame and has sent neither a FIN nor a RST_STREAM, it MUST send a RST_STREAM in
-response, bearing the offset of the last byte sent on this stream as the final
-offset.
+RST_STREAM terminates a stream abruptly.  Whether any action or response can
+or should be taken on the data already received is an application-specific
+issue.  If the sender of a RST_STREAM wishes to explicitly state that no future
+data will be processed, that endpoint MAY send a REQUEST_RST frame at the same
+time.
+
+Regardless, it will often be the case that upon receipt of a RST_STREAM, an
+endpoint will choose to stop sending data in its own direction. An endpoint that
+receives a RST_STREAM frame MUST still close the stream for sending in the other
+direction, either with a STREAM frame containing the FIN bit or a RST_STREAM
+frame of its own, but MAY choose not to do so immediately.

This doesn't really work for me. The "MUST still close" clause is toothless in light of the "MAY choose not to" that follows it. We should keep things like the MUST out of this. There are many cases where it is appropriate to close your writer when your reader aborts, but that will depend a great deal on context.

I would avoid normative language in this paragraph and instead note that aborting a read might trigger the need for an abort on the write.

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Another thing to ponder. RST (aka reset) has all of the wrong connotations. I think that this needs a better name. Maybe we can finally divorce ourselves from all of the badly fitting TCP connotations.

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----==_mimepart_58900e691922c_3de33faa96a5113c61511-- From nobody Mon Jan 30 20:28:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43C8A127735 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 20:28:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.997 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.997 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uYJ9eYpzBWlh for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 20:28:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from m69-170.mailgun.net (m69-170.mailgun.net [166.78.69.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1063128B44 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 20:28:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1485836879; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=zeD08vggxLZjcqw77CD/7FloIob/Dp53qeJoBpPBL4w=; b=ekdKJxnY4C/ZySJfH/Z1hFE+8gK2b/7hlLVWNvn/swwzU0iIvCTzeHqVsp2vSO3FEKHiWc1Y 5XmGvEAk6IzSuSjQyeimf6NdfiVDPuw8TBAg5JTFqoiJSWu7VbVyXsTyMNxUyEujv3fS1z7N KIa/MtEY4AV3AKF5wc/ffOD+0Uc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PnwwpRmd3xFo1dGxRcRXhU/yZmLmYR7cPDGvt+Xt8JZCXAtXX8/ZbjofSyKQ/1uLWHWaxD XY1lfYt0mmIHnM5QnAcloStcq+V0px7IvzzTgcl3jsEttIE7tzKzupS9QWUN+y3b4YNz4Vsd Fryhly95hjWGd+FnTUPM7K2GU7gtY= Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.170 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.42]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5890124f.7f090471e930-smtp-out-n03; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 04:27:59 -0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 20:27:59 -0800 From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5890124fa6c70_c3c3fd1cc9d51382236d@hookshot-fe1-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] de2026: Change the name of the HTTP mapping to HTTP over Q... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5890124fa563a_c3c3fd1cc9d513822284"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 04:28:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5890124fa563a_c3c3fd1cc9d513822284 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/protected_pre Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: de2026f1b5b093a45b67a9e8e1a1fdb678bc9ad9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/de2026f1b5b093a45b67a9e8e1a1fdb678bc9ad9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-11-23 (Wed, 23 Nov 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http-mapping.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport-protocol.md Log Message: ----------- Change the name of the HTTP mapping to HTTP over QUIC Commit: f3a4eefc93c69013180ed722228980a5e6244e88 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f3a4eefc93c69013180ed722228980a5e6244e88 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-11-25 (Fri, 25 Nov 2016) Changed paths: R draft-ietf-quic-http-mapping.md A draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Rename HTTP draft Commit: e73e77d384fbf04f97e381392a8633968abdcc6c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e73e77d384fbf04f97e381392a8633968abdcc6c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-11-25 (Fri, 25 Nov 2016) Changed paths: R draft-ietf-quic-loss-detection.md A draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Rename recovery draft Commit: eafea732faa8f4016c9f3b00123cf5eb8e2ad736 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/eafea732faa8f4016c9f3b00123cf5eb8e2ad736 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-11-25 (Fri, 25 Nov 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Work in progress: Improving the quality of the TLS overview I've improved terminology throughout the early sections and tried to be more precise. I probably need to add a picture or two to help. The latter sections still need work. I want to move the "system component" diagram that I had to the main draft. It would be good to have a topological map of all the pieces. Commit: ab76aee5cd684f0c7f33b558b59aff32bbc7ef7c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ab76aee5cd684f0c7f33b558b59aff32bbc7ef7c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-11-28 (Mon, 28 Nov 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Adding details of the interaction between QUIC and TLS Commit: 9155bd97c3018e34c42839213cfe66b71f36c72a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9155bd97c3018e34c42839213cfe66b71f36c72a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-11-28 (Mon, 28 Nov 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Refinement of delivery requirements Commit: 17ab6f872deddba0f3742c43e7993839dc2d011f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/17ab6f872deddba0f3742c43e7993839dc2d011f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-11-28 (Mon, 28 Nov 2016) Changed paths: M .gitignore Log Message: ----------- Fix ignore Commit: 7a6e1811d091c1a94b6d5a49671f6662b97bb444 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draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Expand on retransmission of handshake messages Commit: 31eaab606586da1f2ff1659abfb8d24c99126870 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/31eaab606586da1f2ff1659abfb8d24c99126870 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-11-28 (Mon, 28 Nov 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Make it clearer what keys are used for which in packet protection Commit: ef666a931b8e39e96f574ba1ef242e0c125b9c67 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ef666a931b8e39e96f574ba1ef242e0c125b9c67 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-11-28 (Mon, 28 Nov 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Pre-handshake clarifications Commit: 90faee643bd79264cd5dbdf21b3d7f5c5d8dde28 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/90faee643bd79264cd5dbdf21b3d7f5c5d8dde28 Author: MikeBishop Date: 2016-11-28 (Mon, 28 Nov 2016) Changed paths: M README.md R draft-ietf-quic-http-mapping.md A draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #29 from quicwg/http-name Rename HTTP draft Commit: 925b84305931b09bf01ce1266ac94c4a5b803dc9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/925b84305931b09bf01ce1266ac94c4a5b803dc9 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-11-28 (Mon, 28 Nov 2016) Changed paths: A .editorconfig M .gitignore M README.md R draft-ietf-quic-http-mapping.md A draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-loss-detection.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport-protocol.md Log Message: ----------- Reconciling two pull requests Commit: 1e97983aab95138d487c63275f71f8dbf9a889de https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1e97983aab95138d487c63275f71f8dbf9a889de Author: MikeBishop Date: 2016-11-28 (Mon, 28 Nov 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport-protocol.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #11 from quicwg/http-title Change the title of the HTTP draft Commit: 33f82e22d8cc7d5b54e775ac45f97d47d5dc561b 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submitted. Commit: 21d802a315499eee18570ee7435622945f2f2eed https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/21d802a315499eee18570ee7435622945f2f2eed Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-11-29 (Tue, 29 Nov 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Cleaning up section references -- should fix #42. Commit: 1b0c50f7de9edac64a1bfadc316acc20d8f7fbf7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1b0c50f7de9edac64a1bfadc316acc20d8f7fbf7 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-11-29 (Tue, 29 Nov 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Found some more XX section references Commit: a02cce3bdac4bb0a94df9cc982048fb1013a6772 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a02cce3bdac4bb0a94df9cc982048fb1013a6772 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-11-30 (Wed, 30 Nov 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #46 from quicwg/transport-references Fixing transport references Commit: 4666d1c1ac1069e974e62fe74619703faf331111 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4666d1c1ac1069e974e62fe74619703faf331111 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-02 (Fri, 02 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Adding email addresses Commit: 8aa2df1a0c58856af51eea5a08fa540301e0b7d9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8aa2df1a0c58856af51eea5a08fa540301e0b7d9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-02 (Fri, 02 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Adding role Commit: 2c48e921acd3b29b78dc2c56aaebf2d590f690b0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2c48e921acd3b29b78dc2c56aaebf2d590f690b0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-02 (Fri, 02 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Adding role Commit: 5d0c863d656af6139d9404e449e6b5fbc6cfb6ae https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5d0c863d656af6139d9404e449e6b5fbc6cfb6ae Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-02 (Fri, 02 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Editorial changes suggested by Martin Duke Commit: 7250307c34e39de09611d23fee2b2b30da1d879e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7250307c34e39de09611d23fee2b2b30da1d879e Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-02 (Fri, 02 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M .travis.yml M Makefile Log Message: ----------- Updates from I-D Template Commit: dc68c31cd8ba4e2ff62987c74b8266bf1eacb702 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dc68c31cd8ba4e2ff62987c74b8266bf1eacb702 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-02 (Fri, 02 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M README.md Log Message: ----------- Adding compare links to README Commit: 3cdcae5a044a641e6df514a67ebae62a0ebb3065 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3cdcae5a044a641e6df514a67ebae62a0ebb3065 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-06 (Tue, 06 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fixing assorted spaces after hyphens Commit: 035b6b515bc29466370329acd04288c592c2e591 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/035b6b515bc29466370329acd04288c592c2e591 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-07 (Wed, 07 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Contributing editorial fixes Commit: aa55ba1e674a5548dd02bb642da80a3062565bdd https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/aa55ba1e674a5548dd02bb642da80a3062565bdd Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-08 (Thu, 08 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Eliminating double-muxing (#71) This pull request changes the current document substantially, with the following major points of change: - Call it HTTP-over-QUIC rather than HTTP/2-over-QUIC. - The HTTP/2 outer frame containing the stream number is replaced with a (otherwise similar) frame format that doesn't contain a stream number. All stream management is delegated to QUIC. - HTTP exchanges take up two streams per request/response -- one for data, one for everything else (but mostly headers). This permits retaining the current behavior (also from HTTP/2) of not flow-controlling non-DATA traffic, and avoids double-framing bodies. - HPACK frames acquire sequence numbers to enable ordering at the decoder. This is decidedly suboptimal, but no worse than current and allows us to keep moving and leave the potential redesign of HPACK for the future. Commit: d2956b87358a0363c5673cf4802940e72bc3f5f9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d2956b87358a0363c5673cf4802940e72bc3f5f9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-08 (Thu, 08 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- QUIC delivers data to TLS Commit: 4188b83053fe6ac21b314a06c9cbcf7fd6d840b0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4188b83053fe6ac21b314a06c9cbcf7fd6d840b0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-08 (Thu, 08 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- More precise talk about TLS data exchange Commit: 2d734153d7dfc6d298b3cbf43d2b89ebaedb5232 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2d734153d7dfc6d298b3cbf43d2b89ebaedb5232 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-08 (Thu, 08 Dec 2016) Changed paths: A .targets M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Rework packet protection and key phases to be clearer and more correct. Commit: 00aaef3f7c4b20a3b98020a83755fe2bf5edbcd9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/00aaef3f7c4b20a3b98020a83755fe2bf5edbcd9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-08 (Thu, 08 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Ian had a few helpful comments Commit: af9b07a86e6b7384a84f722da7437fcf37fe25aa https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/af9b07a86e6b7384a84f722da7437fcf37fe25aa Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2016-12-08 (Thu, 08 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Take on some of the comments Commit: 34ce2ee3ecf4c23672f6367ed54e06bfa17da4a4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/34ce2ee3ecf4c23672f6367ed54e06bfa17da4a4 Author: Julian Reschke Date: 2016-12-09 (Fri, 09 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Add "note to readers" Commit: 2cc4cabbc895b9c0d73a3b21eea58c998fd0d862 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2cc4cabbc895b9c0d73a3b21eea58c998fd0d862 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Addresses #54. 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While feedback was that it was "the design we should have had for HTTP/2... more general, saves space in most cases, and includes a flag to request acknowledgment", there was also a feeling that as an extension it was overkill since most things that needed settings already used SETTINGS. The advice was to hold it for HTTP/QUIC and make it the default SETTINGS frame there. So here it is. Differences from the HTTP/2 proposal based on feedback and further work are: - SETTINGS_ACK lists settings which were *not* understood, rather than those that were. This will hopefully be a smaller set, and as Martin points out, makes a very clear indicator to immediately stop attempting the associated extension. - A more elaborate ACK mechanism to address the timing issues that QUIC introduces, namely that you can't know when the setting change has been applied on each stream if you only get one ACK on the control stream. Commit: f23c65739f56df6b23c6d5a8730ae6daaa845789 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f23c65739f56df6b23c6d5a8730ae6daaa845789 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-16 (Fri, 16 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reconcile flag bits in frame type table Commit: 8018855066bc4eb4042ffdb6e7e41ad5fbfbf297 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8018855066bc4eb4042ffdb6e7e41ad5fbfbf297 Author: ianswett Date: 2016-12-16 (Fri, 16 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #88 from quicwg/ack_flags Reconcile flag bits in frame type table Commit: ceae2aec967310dd8578b72306de16e5047cae0d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ceae2aec967310dd8578b72306de16e5047cae0d Author: Alessandro Ghedini Date: 2016-12-18 (Sun, 18 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Make end of early data marker an handshake message As per recent TLS 1.3 update. 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TLS still needs details. 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Commit: 191d43f259773d31088169da1e5e3099d3968755 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/191d43f259773d31088169da1e5e3099d3968755 Author: EKR Date: 2017-01-24 (Tue, 24 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Minor editorial Commit: 4a6040ee18dccf1ae9d77d141326170b3b657a78 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4a6040ee18dccf1ae9d77d141326170b3b657a78 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-24 (Tue, 24 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #213 from ekr/ekr_editorial_1 Minor editorial Commit: 2492b13b4e5a03844152e3cdcbb29a8d08ae23f0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2492b13b4e5a03844152e3cdcbb29a8d08ae23f0 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-23 (Mon, 23 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fixing the bit typos in error ranges Commit: 5f3d06c90987eb2fde2f199049bb5a3bb69c100d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5f3d06c90987eb2fde2f199049bb5a3bb69c100d Author: EKR Date: 2017-01-23 (Mon, 23 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Minor editorial changes: - Rewrite the headers section to make it clearer. - Move SETTINGS_ACK up so it is next to SETTINGS Commit: e199eeef6d47b7d773bee7d6931c22a28d4352ca https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e199eeef6d47b7d773bee7d6931c22a28d4352ca Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-23 (Mon, 23 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- End-of-sentence punctuation Fix a stray comma. 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To optimize better, -endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting -the maximum packet size appropriately. +The Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PTMU) is the maximum size of the entire IP +header, UDP header, and UDP payload. The UDP payload includes the QUIC public +header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields. + +All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the estimated PMTU to avoid IP +fragmentation or packet drops. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints +SHOULD use Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) and MAY use PMTU +Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) for detecting the PMTU, setting the PMTU +appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU determinations. + +In the absence of these mechanisms, QUIC endpoints SHOULD use a default PMTU of +1280 octets. Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in a UDP payload +length of 1232 octets for IPv6 and 1252 octets for IPv4. Given that 1280 is the minimum, this really isn't saying that there is a default PMTU, it's more saying that QUIC implementations can assume that 1280 is OK. > +Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) for detecting the PMTU, setting the PMTU +appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU determinations. + +In the absence of these mechanisms, QUIC endpoints SHOULD use a default PMTU of +1280 octets. Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in a UDP payload +length of 1232 octets for IPv6 and 1252 octets for IPv4. + +QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of PMTU discovery SHOULD maintain an +estimate for each combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing +could have a different maximum MTU in the path). + +QUIC connnections MUST NOT operate over a network path with an estimated PMTU +below 1280 octets. This is equal to the IPv6 minimum. Most modern IPv4 networks +support at least this packet size. A large packet size allows the first client +handshake packet to fit in a single datagram, which in turn enables stateless +rejects by the server. Nothing in the protocol will stop a QUIC endpoint from using a path with a smaller MTU, especially if they can't set DF. So I would frame this differently: > QUIC depends on the network path supporting a MTU of at least 1280 octets. This is the IPv6 minimum and therefore also supported by most modern IPv4 networks. An endpoint MUST NOT reduce their MTU below this number, even if it receives signals that indicate a smaller limit might exist. Then I would follow with the ClientHello paragraph: > A client MUST construct an initial packet that is at least 1280 octets in size, including IP and UDP headers. It is RECOMMENDED that a packet be padded to exactly 1280 octets unless the client has a reasonable assurance that the PMTU is larger. A server MUST reject initial packets that are less than 1280 octets in size (caveat warning: see below). Sending a packet of this size ensures that the network path supports an MTU of this size and helps mitigate amplification attacks caused by server responses toward an unverified client address. Then I would include the text on PMTU changes, which isn't as important. > + +If a QUIC endpoint determines that the PMTU between any pair of local and remote +IP addresses has fallen below 1280 octets, it MUST immediately cease sending +QUIC packets between those IP addresses. This may result in abrupt termination +of the connection if all pairs are affected. In this case, an endpoint SHOULD +send a Public Reset packet to indicate the failure. The application SHOULD +attempt to use TLS over TCP instead. + +Clients MUST ensure that the first packet in a connection, and any +retransmissions of those octets, has a total size (including IP and UDP headers) +of at least 1280 bytes. This might require inclusion of a PADDING frame. Clients +MAY use a larger first packet size if it has reasonable assurance of a higher +PMTU through out-of-band information. + +Servers MUST reject the first plaintext packet received from a client if it its +total size is less than 1280 octets, to mitigate amplification attacks. Policing this will be difficult, if not impossible, if there are extension headers. Userspace implementations might not even learn about them. From what I can tell, there is no limit to the size of extension headers in IPv6, so we can't really require that this enforcement happen. > +## Special Considerations for PMTU Discovery + +Traditional ICMP-based path MTU discovery in IPv4 ({{!RFC1191}} is potentially +vulnerable to off-path attacks that successfully guess the IP/port 4-tuple and +reduce the MTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value. TCP connections mitigate this +risk by using the (at minimum) 8 bytes of transport header echoed in the ICMP +message to validate the TCP sequence number as valid for the current +connection. However, as QUIC operates over UDP, in IPv4 the echoed information +could consist only of the IP and UDP headers, which usually has insufficient +entropy to mitigate off-path attacks. + +As a result, endpoints that implement PMTUD in IPv4 SHOULD take steps to mitigate +this risk. For instance, an application could: + +* Set the IPv4 Don't Fragment (DF) bit on a small proportion of packets, so that +most invalid ICMP messages arrive when there are no DF packets outstanding. This is missing the (obvious) and can therefore be easily identified as spurious. > +reduce the MTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value. TCP connections mitigate this +risk by using the (at minimum) 8 bytes of transport header echoed in the ICMP +message to validate the TCP sequence number as valid for the current +connection. 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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -size is 1350 bytes for IPv6 and 1370 bytes for IPv4.  To optimize better,
-endpoints MAY use PLPMTUD {{!RFC4821}} for detecting the path's MTU and setting
-the maximum packet size appropriately.
+The Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PTMU) is the maximum size of the entire IP
+header, UDP header, and UDP payload. The UDP payload includes the QUIC public
+header, encrypted payload, and any authentication fields.
+
+All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the estimated PMTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation or packet drops. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints
+SHOULD use Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery ({{!RFC4821}}) and MAY use PMTU
+Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) for detecting the PMTU, setting the PMTU
+appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU determinations.
+
+In the absence of these mechanisms, QUIC endpoints SHOULD use a default PMTU of
+1280 octets. Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in a UDP payload
+length of 1232 octets for IPv6 and 1252 octets for IPv4.

Given that 1280 is the minimum, this really isn't saying that there is a default PMTU, it's more saying that QUIC implementations can assume that 1280 is OK.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Discovery ({{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC1981}}) for detecting the PMTU, setting the PMTU
+appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU determinations.
+
+In the absence of these mechanisms, QUIC endpoints SHOULD use a default PMTU of
+1280 octets. Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in a UDP payload
+length of 1232 octets for IPv6 and 1252 octets for IPv4.
+
+QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of PMTU discovery SHOULD maintain an
+estimate for each combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing
+could have a different maximum MTU in the path).
+
+QUIC connnections MUST NOT operate over a network path with an estimated PMTU
+below 1280 octets. This is equal to the IPv6 minimum. Most modern IPv4 networks
+support at least this packet size. A large packet size allows the first client
+handshake packet to fit in a single datagram, which in turn enables stateless
+rejects by the server.

Nothing in the protocol will stop a QUIC endpoint from using a path with a smaller MTU, especially if they can't set DF. So I would frame this differently:

QUIC depends on the network path supporting a MTU of at least 1280 octets. This is the IPv6 minimum and therefore also supported by most modern IPv4 networks. An endpoint MUST NOT reduce their MTU below this number, even if it receives signals that indicate a smaller limit might exist.

Then I would follow with the ClientHello paragraph:

A client MUST construct an initial packet that is at least 1280 octets in size, including IP and UDP headers. It is RECOMMENDED that a packet be padded to exactly 1280 octets unless the client has a reasonable assurance that the PMTU is larger. A server MUST reject initial packets that are less than 1280 octets in size (caveat warning: see below). Sending a packet of this size ensures that the network path supports an MTU of this size and helps mitigate amplification attacks caused by server responses toward an unverified client address.

Then I would include the text on PMTU changes, which isn't as important.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+If a QUIC endpoint determines that the PMTU between any pair of local and remote
+IP addresses has fallen below 1280 octets, it MUST immediately cease sending
+QUIC packets between those IP addresses. This may result in abrupt termination
+of the connection if all pairs are affected. In this case, an endpoint SHOULD
+send a Public Reset packet to indicate the failure. The application SHOULD
+attempt to use TLS over TCP instead.
+
+Clients MUST ensure that the first packet in a connection, and any
+retransmissions of those octets, has a total size (including IP and UDP headers)
+of at least 1280 bytes. This might require inclusion of a PADDING frame. Clients
+MAY use a larger first packet size if it has reasonable assurance of a higher
+PMTU through out-of-band information.
+
+Servers MUST reject the first plaintext packet received from a client if it its
+total size is less than 1280 octets, to mitigate amplification attacks.

Policing this will be difficult, if not impossible, if there are extension headers. Userspace implementations might not even learn about them. From what I can tell, there is no limit to the size of extension headers in IPv6, so we can't really require that this enforcement happen.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +## Special Considerations for PMTU Discovery 
+
+Traditional ICMP-based path MTU discovery in IPv4 ({{!RFC1191}} is potentially
+vulnerable to off-path attacks that successfully guess the IP/port 4-tuple and
+reduce the MTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value. TCP connections mitigate this
+risk by using the (at minimum) 8 bytes of transport header echoed in the ICMP
+message to validate the TCP sequence number as valid for the current
+connection. However, as QUIC operates over UDP, in IPv4 the echoed information
+could consist only of the IP and UDP headers, which usually has insufficient
+entropy to mitigate off-path attacks.
+
+As a result, endpoints that implement PMTUD in IPv4 SHOULD take steps to mitigate
+this risk. For instance, an application could:
+
+* Set the IPv4 Don't Fragment (DF) bit on a small proportion of packets, so that
+most invalid ICMP messages arrive when there are no DF packets outstanding.

This is missing the (obvious) and can therefore be easily identified as spurious.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +reduce the MTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value. TCP connections mitigate this
+risk by using the (at minimum) 8 bytes of transport header echoed in the ICMP
+message to validate the TCP sequence number as valid for the current
+connection. However, as QUIC operates over UDP, in IPv4 the echoed information
+could consist only of the IP and UDP headers, which usually has insufficient
+entropy to mitigate off-path attacks.
+
+As a result, endpoints that implement PMTUD in IPv4 SHOULD take steps to mitigate
+this risk. For instance, an application could:
+
+* Set the IPv4 Don't Fragment (DF) bit on a small proportion of packets, so that
+most invalid ICMP messages arrive when there are no DF packets outstanding.
+
+* Store additional information from the IP or UDP headers from DF packets (for
+example, the IP ID or UDP checksum) to further authenticate incoming Packet Too
+Big messages.

RFC 1191 uses "Datagram Too Big" rather than "Packet Too Big".

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Tue, 31 Jan 2017 06:05:24 -0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 22:05:24 -0800 From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <58902924a91e4_e323f8105663134606ca@hookshot-fe1-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 0e4d53: Transport spec diagrams for #54 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_58902924a88c5_e323f81056631346058"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 06:05:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58902924a88c5_e323f81056631346058 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/client_auth Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 0e4d537d8ac7dd8483b4891137900a6403dc143a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0e4d537d8ac7dd8483b4891137900a6403dc143a Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2016-12-26 (Mon, 26 Dec 2016) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Transport spec diagrams for #54 Commit: e9056225cf421b7d355ae096333ddebb0c823f7a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e9056225cf421b7d355ae096333ddebb0c823f7a Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-03 (Tue, 03 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Martin's feedback Commit: 2e567f49c538e961a21f40ec8986fe485ce4b776 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2e567f49c538e961a21f40ec8986fe485ce4b776 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-05 (Thu, 05 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into diagrams Commit: 2c99f61d1dadc8a028ce0974f5a7804d6c2f3a86 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2c99f61d1dadc8a028ce0974f5a7804d6c2f3a86 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Don't go so wide Commit: dabd66bc9184227b74af34aaec32d2a9115bfd94 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dabd66bc9184227b74af34aaec32d2a9115bfd94 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- De-indent a little Commit: 86ab2c658d6d6f3e95c89e469f5ef0cb46df6747 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/86ab2c658d6d6f3e95c89e469f5ef0cb46df6747 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Take and improve suggestion on regular packet intro Commit: 6de9527f57af1de0ce56365b9af305634833dbf9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6de9527f57af1de0ce56365b9af305634833dbf9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Leave definition of AEAD Data to QUIC-TLS Commit: 633ea6ee1896739b96c4cb2069dc0e5eeee27395 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/633ea6ee1896739b96c4cb2069dc0e5eeee27395 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- The stream frame just contains fields Commit: aa9c9080d921ef1dcdaa6a29c08bcc0786daeb5b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/aa9c9080d921ef1dcdaa6a29c08bcc0786daeb5b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Timestamps are packet receive times Yes, they are encoded as deltas, but that's just details. Commit: 1c962148e25d9a99d83f8c435410a6fc4d45b446 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1c962148e25d9a99d83f8c435410a6fc4d45b446 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- As with STREAM, so with BLOCKED: no payload Commit: 5c8221ba182b34f274a5563657539554dfe2eed9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5c8221ba182b34f274a5563657539554dfe2eed9 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Payload => Type-dependent fields Commit: f19288301d80e417d83f8b01335ecd56e23ee5d1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f19288301d80e417d83f8b01335ecd56e23ee5d1 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Move ACK frame block counts up a section Commit: c1f801b48d2aaff47159257bfd2eb2fa985f741f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c1f801b48d2aaff47159257bfd2eb2fa985f741f Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Added error code ranges Commit: ef385ee9f41518012b79737b30fdd50379117d80 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ef385ee9f41518012b79737b30fdd50379117d80 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- TLS errors in new range Commit: 13bdc70f3e5fb110d62dad52819f1bb9a28a2f3a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/13bdc70f3e5fb110d62dad52819f1bb9a28a2f3a Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-06 (Fri, 06 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Define HTTP-layer error codes in HTTP document Commit: 60028fe4b3d2386707d8bc612bbe628d34a72f98 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/60028fe4b3d2386707d8bc612bbe628d34a72f98 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-08 (Sun, 08 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'diagrams' into diagrams_mt Commit: 6104a58f4e9674d4cd62d8bd9721c772e9d0ff6f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6104a58f4e9674d4cd62d8bd9721c772e9d0ff6f Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-08 (Sun, 08 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #129 from quicwg/diagrams_mt Commit: d80c268f751ab04bbf00e75c8df9d181c3b66bc6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d80c268f751ab04bbf00e75c8df9d181c3b66bc6 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-11 (Wed, 11 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- TLS 1.3 is the minimum acceptable TLS version Commit: ff1faa2503e42040d4f95b69a8644523ac684b31 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ff1faa2503e42040d4f95b69a8644523ac684b31 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-11 (Wed, 11 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Another Commit: 9657bcce12b8a129d18bbb2cdea730f2a887f1f0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9657bcce12b8a129d18bbb2cdea730f2a887f1f0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Remove redundancy Commit: 99946d15e0102c2c344e7d603fc4fa63122fae73 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/99946d15e0102c2c344e7d603fc4fa63122fae73 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-01-11 (Wed, 11 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Change text that describes version negotiation in terms of crypto keys. Commit: eecb8d907341a203030078436e4eaf5e3f954a92 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/eecb8d907341a203030078436e4eaf5e3f954a92 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Address Ian's comments Commit: 5a636ef3338e17a5cc94f3acdaefc893ecbaf2e1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5a636ef3338e17a5cc94f3acdaefc893ecbaf2e1 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- MUST -> SHOULD Commit: c989c6517887d00b7121babcf151e84132ce2372 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c989c6517887d00b7121babcf151e84132ce2372 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #141 from quicwg/undoversion Change text that describes version negotiation in terms of crypto keys. Commit: 6d0d6f716ac8e69f7b6d04893b554c0501ac9379 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6d0d6f716ac8e69f7b6d04893b554c0501ac9379 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Missed a 'payload' Commit: d9d5eaf8a1b096cdcb47229cc36cd96656e2a1de https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d9d5eaf8a1b096cdcb47229cc36cd96656e2a1de Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Ian's feedback Commit: 3cc43bc9b3d0471cc24cdf8e5737b0ee9585e473 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3cc43bc9b3d0471cc24cdf8e5737b0ee9585e473 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into diagrams Commit: c1e73f2109bc64e938ba7ac1bc55a34a744d1c10 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c1e73f2109bc64e938ba7ac1bc55a34a744d1c10 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reordering error code ranges, per Martin Commit: dfaff7b5d7f7f0d04b268404aefb459165f9af44 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dfaff7b5d7f7f0d04b268404aefb459165f9af44 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into error_space2 Commit: 4c6d86dc35b753e8d512811c280d88a56b4ec680 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4c6d86dc35b753e8d512811c280d88a56b4ec680 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #131 from quicwg/error_space2 Marking #74 as 'confirm-consensus' and incorporating into draft. Commit: d6d08b89a035912048aa56d406431da02e575aed https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d6d08b89a035912048aa56d406431da02e575aed Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Describe CONNECT method (#100) Describes CONNECT method, using the error code defined in #131. Commit: 5b5e75d5e54ef2434ec0caa861c5650da6fc24ac https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5b5e75d5e54ef2434ec0caa861c5650da6fc24ac Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-13 (Fri, 13 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Version negotiation isn't the MOST important feature Let's try to keep the order of this section relevant. Version negotiation is novel in a transport protocol, but it's not the most important thing. Also, we don't need to include a lot of details here. Commit: 9ceea5809fae1981506789e14f802aaec2953dda https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9ceea5809fae1981506789e14f802aaec2953dda Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-13 (Fri, 13 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Duplicate header creates duplicate anchor Commit: da0bf63ac7f14a069496bac6d289483681bdb627 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/da0bf63ac7f14a069496bac6d289483681bdb627 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-13 (Fri, 13 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Whitespace cleanup Commit: 67f82996de9c7fdabcf2f2a675679bdbec374d0b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/67f82996de9c7fdabcf2f2a675679bdbec374d0b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-13 (Fri, 13 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'version_benefit' Commit: 3096ae64e07ed8622b7d704c43c889c2b999c629 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3096ae64e07ed8622b7d704c43c889c2b999c629 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-13 (Fri, 13 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M Makefile M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- This trailing whitespace has to end Commit: b81ca1659f77d3d8d3dca98fe60d03963b8e089f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b81ca1659f77d3d8d3dca98fe60d03963b8e089f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-13 (Fri, 13 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Remove the last ever bit of trailing whitespace Commit: 1c341bfe55af6e5200c5d7e0562111e8e5d9c914 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1c341bfe55af6e5200c5d7e0562111e8e5d9c914 Author: ianswett Date: 2017-01-13 (Fri, 13 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Replace magic numbers with constants and define RTT calculations (#149) * Replace magic numbers with constants and define RTT calculations Defines how variables such as smoothed_rtt and rttvar are calculated, as well as replacing many numbers with constants. 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Commit: 4b257838ea3bbb83f7250b5362951762e6ce3df6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4b257838ea3bbb83f7250b5362951762e6ce3df6 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-19 (Thu, 19 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #172 from quicwg/h2_informative Unnecessary normative reference to RFC7540 Commit: 3bb5417354a91503c4894b972936f352f283b89f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3bb5417354a91503c4894b972936f352f283b89f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-20 (Fri, 20 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Fix tls spec in 80 columns Commit: 818c9a89fbe76632db2db9cb78f2326461f0b2dc https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/818c9a89fbe76632db2db9cb78f2326461f0b2dc Author: Alessandro Ghedini Date: 2017-01-21 (Sat, 21 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Frame type is already defined, don't repeat Commit: 30370d14e419ca61ef3bebd2b9110b50d6919ee6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/30370d14e419ca61ef3bebd2b9110b50d6919ee6 Author: Alessandro Ghedini Date: 2017-01-21 (Sat, 21 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Don't repeat how StreamID len is determined (other fields don't) Commit: 8da04f771ef656a5d8416c5c9a176bb2579d45f0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8da04f771ef656a5d8416c5c9a176bb2579d45f0 Author: Alessandro Ghedini Date: 2017-01-21 (Sat, 21 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Fix a bunch of typos Commit: 17fcc77431d9e048863e59ed9e458a5d6f724a15 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/17fcc77431d9e048863e59ed9e458a5d6f724a15 Author: Alessandro Ghedini Date: 2017-01-21 (Sat, 21 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Use "a RST_STREAM ..." for consistency Commit: 8c52cfd9efe956276d44ae7929fa89e128025db3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8c52cfd9efe956276d44ae7929fa89e128025db3 Author: Alessandro Ghedini Date: 2017-01-21 (Sat, 21 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Fix grammer by adding some words Commit: 509d3a813e5dcc13f94250b62b9b8659eb33ba11 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/509d3a813e5dcc13f94250b62b9b8659eb33ba11 Author: Alessandro Ghedini Date: 2017-01-21 (Sat, 21 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Don't repeat subject Commit: e1146e48821bc3b02415c78429046a4067469721 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e1146e48821bc3b02415c78429046a4067469721 Author: Alessandro Ghedini Date: 2017-01-21 (Sat, 21 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix more typos Commit: ea53fa88a8564a000793c63cb48dae006615041c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ea53fa88a8564a000793c63cb48dae006615041c Author: Alessandro Ghedini Date: 2017-01-21 (Sat, 21 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Somehow this sentence sounds weird, improve wording Commit: e8e6e66a458bf73f8f707c0fa285ebbeea1b2491 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e8e6e66a458bf73f8f707c0fa285ebbeea1b2491 Author: Alessandro Ghedini Date: 2017-01-21 (Sat, 21 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Saying "cumulative" once is enough I reckon Commit: 89846118ae85ae5366d273f2e765bb7f021bff59 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/89846118ae85ae5366d273f2e765bb7f021bff59 Author: Alessandro Ghedini Date: 2017-01-21 (Sat, 21 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Fix pseudo-code indentation Commit: c223319d335b251f51ca52fb12b2ddbfb326f17f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c223319d335b251f51ca52fb12b2ddbfb326f17f Author: EKR Date: 2017-01-22 (Sun, 22 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Rewrite the section about experimentation to make clear that you are registering your private experimental versions, not that you are registering the versions people are using for interop testing. Commit: 191d43f259773d31088169da1e5e3099d3968755 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/191d43f259773d31088169da1e5e3099d3968755 Author: EKR Date: 2017-01-24 (Tue, 24 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Minor editorial Commit: 4a6040ee18dccf1ae9d77d141326170b3b657a78 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4a6040ee18dccf1ae9d77d141326170b3b657a78 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-24 (Tue, 24 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #213 from ekr/ekr_editorial_1 Minor editorial Commit: 2492b13b4e5a03844152e3cdcbb29a8d08ae23f0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2492b13b4e5a03844152e3cdcbb29a8d08ae23f0 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-23 (Mon, 23 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fixing the bit typos in error ranges Commit: 5f3d06c90987eb2fde2f199049bb5a3bb69c100d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5f3d06c90987eb2fde2f199049bb5a3bb69c100d Author: EKR Date: 2017-01-23 (Mon, 23 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Minor editorial changes: - Rewrite the headers section to make it clearer. - Move SETTINGS_ACK up so it is next to SETTINGS Commit: e199eeef6d47b7d773bee7d6931c22a28d4352ca https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e199eeef6d47b7d773bee7d6931c22a28d4352ca Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-01-23 (Mon, 23 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- End-of-sentence punctuation Fix a stray comma. 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----==_mimepart_58902925f356a_181c3faa96a5113c26943d-- From nobody Mon Jan 30 22:36:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D132129413 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 22:36:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.251 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.251 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KK5zhBOpEj5r for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 22:36:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6BFD1293FC for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2017 22:36:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=gbMBpKW5nUBaqxjedkPFr1j/Ras=; b=ftzSt7v52LrtLRnu ZmkdET1ISIInG6bgwVmFVmkQNSR3dtRn4DXgu+AOUUk+ephmXkSGUQ8dLiB5Hu9P BLgkKacHjg6/1YLwiJfKZ3OzOUaVLDQHFw9fTxGCsAF+dKf1gAmWmwHJW2nm8u/4 ruDV+JqaYcxwHpFZ21YUuBIuW5w= Received: by filter0964p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0964p1mdw1-32022-58903053-37 2017-01-31 06:36:03.542393975 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id big1xlZ6SjGKsDRMk6TUbg for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 06:36:03.501 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 22:36:03 -0800 From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Maximum stream number (#108) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5890305366479_2ffa3fd5851d113c3127bf"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3xoTuw0X6TwzOpn9i4vViYIi941mmbW6T5h7 zpHgrG6Vak3x1tkR5CXZ899TdgrRqyiPKnSjkJqjnv09o+Ykb6Y/bI0GY9/4QHIJCbuPGhiQatf8nG Y1Rp5vYH4ZwCoeCY2HSpC6Y55XvAsuM7SmawYty9RIGVpAxH62gGJtIccoZFIW4eKa4PqODyKGlrq9 4= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 06:36:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5890305366479_2ffa3fd5851d113c3127bf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just to add to this so I don't forget. Stream numbers could become part of the state commitment that an endpoint makes. If we increase the space, we also need to account for that in other places. I'm thinking about nascent QPACK work here, which might need to save stream numbers. There might be other places where we store stream numbers in addition to the obvious changes to the wire format in mappings. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/108#issuecomment-276286521 ----==_mimepart_5890305366479_2ffa3fd5851d113c3127bf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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I like the amount of red in this PR. But it needs a little more green. This needs a discussion of settings in the context of 0-RTT. Because the rule is that a server cannot speak until it learns the client settings, a server is never in a situation where it could be surprised. On the other hand, a client that uses 0-RTT has to open and use streams, or there wouldn't be much point. What assumptions can a client make about server settings? In https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/126#issuecomment-274733818 we decided to recommend caching, but there would be defaults and that servers would have to be prepared to accept either the cached value or the default. I assume that we'd probably want the same conclusion here. > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Contents (?) ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ {: #fig-ext-settings title="SETTINGS value format"} -A zero-length content indicates that the setting value is a Boolean given by the -B bit. If Length is not zero, the B bit MUST be zero, and MUST be ignored by -receivers. The initial value of each setting is "false" unless otherwise -specified by the definition of the setting. +A zero-length content indicates that the setting value is a Boolean and true. +(False is indicated by the absence of the setting.) Remove parentheses. > @@ -553,21 +554,12 @@ Different values for the same parameter can be advertised by each peer. For example, a client might permit a very large HPACK state table while a server chooses to use a small one to conserve memory. -A SETTINGS frame MAY be sent at any time by either endpoint over the lifetime -of the connection. +Parameters are processed in the order in which they appear, and the value of a +SETTINGS parameter is the last value that is seen by a receiver. The receiver of +a SETTINGS frame does not need to maintain any state other than the last value +of a given parameter. Can we forbid duplicates? We wouldn't necessarily require enforcement, but it would avoid one of the nasty cases where there a bad actor can cause an unbounded amount of work to be performed (assuming here that skipping unsupported values is essentially free). > @@ -577,17 +569,15 @@ value. 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ - | Identifier (16) |B| Length (15) | + | Identifier (16) | Length (16) | SETTINGS only appears in one place, so why does it need an identifier? That is, you could start the stream with a length (or counter) directly. Then it's not really a frame type. > HTTP_INTERRUPTED_HEADERS (0x0E): : A HEADERS frame without the End Header Block flag was followed by a frame other than HEADERS. HTTP_SETTINGS_ON_WRONG_STREAM (0x0F): : A SETTINGS frame was received on a request control stream. +HTTP_MULTIPLE_SETTINGS (0x10): +: More than one SETTINGS frame was received. 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@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

I like the amount of red in this PR. But it needs a little more green.

This needs a discussion of settings in the context of 0-RTT. Because the rule is that a server cannot speak until it learns the client settings, a server is never in a situation where it could be surprised.

On the other hand, a client that uses 0-RTT has to open and use streams, or there wouldn't be much point. What assumptions can a client make about server settings?

In #126 (comment) we decided to recommend caching, but there would be defaults and that servers would have to be prepared to accept either the cached value or the default. I assume that we'd probably want the same conclusion here.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>     +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
    |                          Contents (?)                       ...
    +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 {: #fig-ext-settings title="SETTINGS value format"}
 
-A zero-length content indicates that the setting value is a Boolean given by the
-B bit. If Length is not zero, the B bit MUST be zero, and MUST be ignored by
-receivers. The initial value of each setting is "false" unless otherwise
-specified by the definition of the setting.
+A zero-length content indicates that the setting value is a Boolean and true.
+(False is indicated by the absence of the setting.)

Remove parentheses.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -553,21 +554,12 @@ Different values for the same parameter can be advertised by each peer. For
 example, a client might permit a very large HPACK state table while a server
 chooses to use a small one to conserve memory.
 
-A SETTINGS frame MAY be sent at any time by either endpoint over the lifetime
-of the connection.
+Parameters are processed in the order in which they appear, and the value of a
+SETTINGS parameter is the last value that is seen by a receiver. The receiver of
+a SETTINGS frame does not need to maintain any state other than the last value
+of a given parameter.

Can we forbid duplicates? We wouldn't necessarily require enforcement, but it would avoid one of the nasty cases where there a bad actor can cause an unbounded amount of work to be performed (assuming here that skipping unsupported values is essentially free).

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -577,17 +569,15 @@ value.
     0                   1                   2                   3
     0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
    +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-   |        Identifier (16)        |B|        Length (15)          |
+   |        Identifier (16)        |         Length (16)           |

SETTINGS only appears in one place, so why does it need an identifier? That is, you could start the stream with a length (or counter) directly. Then it's not really a frame type.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  HTTP_INTERRUPTED_HEADERS (0x0E):
 : A HEADERS frame without the End Header Block flag was followed by a frame
   other than HEADERS.
 
 HTTP_SETTINGS_ON_WRONG_STREAM (0x0F):
 : A SETTINGS frame was received on a request control stream.
 
+HTTP_MULTIPLE_SETTINGS (0x10):
+: More than one SETTINGS frame was received.

See above suggestion.

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This particular sentence always confused me - it read as if it specified than an initiating peer had to send a close message to itself.

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  • clarify connection termination text

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----==_mimepart_58908ae09ae7a_6ae43fca7c3b913414100-- From nobody Tue Jan 31 05:26:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B4521294A9 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 05:26:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.654 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AwSrYTcdwxvk for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 05:26:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F488129476 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 05:26:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=n7ZH4hRgPnv5H420WrIBliCDDeI=; b=V4JtBSRwkbHPiPKX CVNOz8BsI0uvVCOHrbEVi5nWQHZd7GKL0w2lFLfRceMAv32tV+HznojfkS7a5DxH qt3wCCLjnwrZxm494jiLMcamJ9ho7rkYM32fIbQxiXqUYTrYBor35t2EjjRpSbdA DRYmgokzt7txuHWqghMPn0NoQ1Q= Received: by filter0835p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0835p1mdw1-14122-5890906C-75 2017-01-31 13:26:04.923339867 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id RyAss9ifQ4-8oimeVH11Kg for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 13:26:04.916 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 05:26:04 -0800 From: Patrick McManus To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] clarify 5.2.2 frame type enumerations (#251) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5890906cc9452_11c9d3fe6f053b1342330e7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mcmanus X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak38KP7DSQX170NNZBgaWAF8Fmv9aHfBNyvFPA 7iID/YmaEzbLvyyyHon9wg8L6tvO4241S0uKFU4vVJEzJNchpZg0XqEACzt2Ds95sPtbI/YOgb9B7f VeG9M0Q9Pg0f4IKFKH1e8M+3dQA6mnQl3K6MlfKvBXlv+Ac7qdzDoAUh6x5Kc+Kdbk7VXQW8kvkgwn M= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 13:26:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5890906cc9452_11c9d3fe6f053b1342330e7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've always found 5.2.2's use of 1fdoooss and 01nullmm more confusing than helpful when trying to figure out what the frame type enumerations are. They are well defined later on in the STREAM and ACK frame definitions, but in the general frame type section it reads a bit unclear to me. This PR just enumerates the type ranges of each frame type and forgoes the bit level definitions. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/251 -- Commit Summary -- * clarify 5.2.2 frame type enumerations -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (20) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/251.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/251.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/251 ----==_mimepart_5890906cc9452_11c9d3fe6f053b1342330e7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I've always found 5.2.2's use of 1fdoooss and 01nullmm more confusing than helpful when trying to figure out what the frame type enumerations are. They are well defined later on in the STREAM and ACK frame definitions, but in the general frame type section it reads a bit unclear to me. This PR just enumerates the type ranges of each frame type and forgoes the bit level definitions.

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  • clarify 5.2.2 frame type enumerations

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You can't ack a packet until you can decrypt it, because otherwise you don't know it's valid(ie: it could be corrupted, undecryptable, etc).

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transport 9.4 contains: "A receiver MUST ensure that received stream dat= a is delivered to the application as an ordered byte-stream. Data received = out of order MUST be buffered for later delivery, as long as it is not in v= iolation of the receiver=E2=80=99s flow control limits."

I agree QUIC provides an ordered byte stream abstraction, but why do we = have this requirement about in-order delivery to the application? Surely th= at makes a lot of sense, but it seems to me the only real requirement is th= at it be a byte stream because boundaries are not preserved..

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Possibly "A receiver MUST allow received stream data to be delivered t= o the application as an ordered byte-stream." For crypto and other purpo= ses, an in order byte-stream is a necessary feature, but I agree that one= could imagine out of order delivery to the application.

With lightweight streams, I think this use case is weak, but I don't s= ee any reason to specifically forbid it.

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While HTTP/QUIC doesn't formally require a client to implement Alt-Svc, there's no discovery mechanism other than Alt-Svc provided, so you're not going to get very far without it. That makes a full HTTP(/TLS)/TCP stack mandatory simply to open the connection in the first place. For various reasons (e.g. an embedded device in a controlled environment), a client might want to dispense with TCP altogether when it knows that the endpoint will support QUIC. It might also be useful in testing to be able to directly reference a QUIC endpoint.

Should we mint new scheme(s) that allows direct reference to a resource served exclusively over HTTP/QUIC?

(Note, in HTTP/2 the answer was "no," because HTTP/2 could be negotiated using the same TCP connection. QUIC doesn't have that luxury.)

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The text in #235 already says the quic= parameter is optional. I've modified the text to be more host-neutral.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> -QUIC versions are four-octet sequences with no additional constraints on format.
-Versions containing octets not allowed in tokens (tchar, {{!RFC7230}}, Section
-3.2.6) MUST be encoded using the hexadecimal representation.  Versions
-containing only octets allowed in tokens MAY be encoded using either
-representation.
-
-On receipt of an Alt-Svc header indicating QUIC support, a client MAY attempt to
-establish a QUIC connection on the indicated port and, if successful, send HTTP
-requests using the mapping described in this document. Servers SHOULD list only
-versions which they support, but MAY omit supported versions for any reason.
-
-Connectivity problems (e.g. firewall blocking UDP) may result in QUIC connection
-establishment failure, in which case the client should gracefully fall back to
-HTTP/2.
+Origins SHOULD list only versions which they support, but MAY omit supported
+versions for any reason.

In the host-neutral case the origin is listing versions for the HTTP/QUIC endpoint. I don't think there is a requirement for the advertising host to support any version of QUIC, right?

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -577,17 +569,15 @@ value.
     0                   1                   2                   3
     0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
    +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-   |        Identifier (16)        |B|        Length (15)          |
+   |        Identifier (16)        |         Length (16)           |

That's an interesting discussion. (I'd agree with Patrick, it's not worth the inconsistency.) However, this Identifier field says which setting the value goes with, so it's definitely necessary.

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a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1485899921; bh=e0OjlY9EUwl31gZncpC7xI0z5QrEs4pbb7DV1a7gx+s=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=L4XD/VvqNW5jxi0jGo+gAA4O5l4+dUY2sPDSrPiIhhxCFnpUbAxpiNS93cEbL/nfB pp9X1Hz04BZFMYviNfjEtB8PG+BczcUuHYQn34VCJTMzEY5o8bwtUGplwxOttNcuAy 5XPluoVtmESOhB9D/TacKVsrteUbbmTeV4j88l0g= From: janaiyengar To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Move crypto to stream 0 (#247) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5891089135ca0_79b33fa316a2f14029313"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 21:58:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5891089135ca0_79b33fa316a2f14029313 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think you're simplifying things by removing flow control on the crypto stream. Is there a reason, besides textual simplicity, for doing this? I don't think it makes implementation any easier, but may make it harder, since there's basically no way for the implementation to send more than X bytes, and the receiver must enforce this, separate from any stream-level flow control logic (since that logic will be tied to sending WINDOW_UPDATE frames.) We'll also need to specify a required min window offset that MUST be supported on the crypto stream. This seems like a largely unnecessary limit and special case. I'm not sure I see what real benefit it brings... I'm inclined towards keeping this as Stream 1 with stream-level flow control applied to it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/247#issuecomment-276506147 ----==_mimepart_5891089135ca0_79b33fa316a2f14029313 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't think you're simplifying things by removing flow control on th= e crypto stream. Is there a reason, besides textual simplicity, for doing= this? I don't think it makes implementation any easier, but may make it = harder, since there's basically no way for the implementation to send mor= e than X bytes, and the receiver must enforce this, separate from any str= eam-level flow control logic (since that logic will be tied to sending WI= NDOW_UPDATE frames.) We'll also need to specify a required min window off= set that MUST be supported on the crypto stream. This seems like a largel= y unnecessary limit and special case.

I'm not sure I see what real benefit it brings... I'm inclined towards= keeping this as Stream 1 with stream-level flow control applied to it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> -QUIC versions are four-octet sequences with no additional constraints on format.
-Versions containing octets not allowed in tokens (tchar, {{!RFC7230}}, Section
-3.2.6) MUST be encoded using the hexadecimal representation.  Versions
-containing only octets allowed in tokens MAY be encoded using either
-representation.
-
-On receipt of an Alt-Svc header indicating QUIC support, a client MAY attempt to
-establish a QUIC connection on the indicated port and, if successful, send HTTP
-requests using the mapping described in this document. Servers SHOULD list only
-versions which they support, but MAY omit supported versions for any reason.
-
-Connectivity problems (e.g. firewall blocking UDP) may result in QUIC connection
-establishment failure, in which case the client should gracefully fall back to
-HTTP/2.
+Origins SHOULD list only versions which they support, but MAY omit supported
+versions for any reason.

The origin has to support those versions at the advertised endpoint, regardless of whether the particular host that sent the header is that endpoint or not.

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hex-encoded QUIC version -When multiple versions are supported, the "v" parameter MAY be repeated multiple -times in a single Alt-Svc entry. For example, if a server supported both -version "Q034" and version 0x00000001, it would specify the following header: +When multiple versions are supported, the "quic" parameter MAY be repeated +multiple times in a single Alt-Svc entry. For example, if a server supported +both version "Q034" and version 0x00000001, it could specify the following Do we have enough context to understand what "Q034" is, aside from knowing that an ASCII/UTF-8 encoding of "Q" is 0x51? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/235#pullrequestreview-19451873 ----==_mimepart_58911e6e7a3a5_da33fdee5c75138134378 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>      version-number = 1*8HEXDIG; hex-encoded QUIC version
 
-When multiple versions are supported, the "v" parameter MAY be repeated multiple
-times in a single Alt-Svc entry.  For example, if a server supported both
-version "Q034" and version 0x00000001, it would specify the following header:
+When multiple versions are supported, the "quic" parameter MAY be repeated
+multiple times in a single Alt-Svc entry.  For example, if a server supported
+both version "Q034" and version 0x00000001, it could specify the following

Do we have enough context to understand what "Q034" is, aside from knowing that an ASCII/UTF-8 encoding of "Q" is 0x51?

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I like it. @janaiyengar, merge if you agree.

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----==_mimepart_58911f71135d0_3c343f9438ab113c8323-- From nobody Tue Jan 31 15:37:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4F512964B for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 15:37:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.11 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.11 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FuSLmHYdcQRH for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 15:37:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17215129579 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 15:37:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 15:37:16 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1485905836; bh=KE2SxJ6Ie8+Q/gUSNm9XfG4MiobEQzUGchlNK+xE01s=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=g6w50skEksgTd5qdA/YUS41fdddRSvcZEDrOPFRsKKaVkclWQkGXxzczad00TT/f5 x3MsUSZmvifQNgklCNgvmTtQFVqz602SHx3/klFd8IMgew5n/EUb3qWvGtrKyo6n7A e4gGXLRUjJvRER3CV7m08welFdFROe8tfxXVGOaQ= From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK rules and packet protection (#34) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58911fac4bdad_3c073f9438ab113c5649"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 23:37:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58911fac4bdad_3c073f9438ab113c5649 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, it would be great if you could ack the 0-RTT packet, but you aren't able to distinguish it from net-noise. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/34#issuecomment-276528977 ----==_mimepart_58911fac4bdad_3c073f9438ab113c5649 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Yes, it would be great if you could ack the 0-RTT packet, but you aren't able to distinguish it from net-noise.

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I'm thinking that the answer is "no" here as well. Developing a way to provide supplementary annotations on links would be less reliable, but ultimately more likely to succeed.

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receiver does have a choice: if in-order is too strong, then send
"messages" on separate streams.

A example that's come up a few times: media streaming. If you want "partial reliability", make every audio or video frame* it'= s own QUIC
stream. Then you can have a way to deal with individual media frames tha= t
are too late and ignore/cancel them. You could also express priorities= ,
e.g. certain types of frame to be more important (e.g. I frames in MPEG like video).

*ambiguity alert: media streaming !=3D QUIC stream, video frame !=3D QUI= C
frame.


On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Martin Thomson <notifications@github.= com>
wrote:

> I had the same comment. Someone once told me that in-order delivery = was a
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(#253) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58913c7a77046_7ec43f946804b14083950"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1SVUg5+pyyc/B5bL6bu5XOTl7CJnze6VEZGb IxD33vLeYEdxXdi5jGM9sPjl/Re0+vIL/EKjJPmHdS+hlb4huwPNw6+9nkzh5i9/QyDQCU6uCXNhKW btXH9TUxflATLUqBm8ZDCe7T5UjVNgAk9ToPPcqexw11Tww+g0tUZyKyWaKRkOXSulDNCyppVh6BM3 w= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2017 01:40:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58913c7a77046_7ec43f946804b14083950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with the opinions about new scheme(s). However, it does seem a shame to have this implicit dependency on Alt-Svc delivered by HTTP. By my understanding of Alt-Svc, the origin would have the requirement of offering resources via HTTP(/TLS)/TCP in perpetuity. That seems a bit unfair to me. I recall some talk about TCP fallback (e.g. at the QUIC BoF IETF 96). No text currently in WG docs seem to require this though. the closest is in the HTTP/QUIC mapping: ``` Connectivity problems (e.g. firewall blocking UDP) may result in QUIC connection establishment failure, in which case the client should gracefully fall back to HTTP/2. ``` If TCP fallback is not actually required, and a solution can be found to directly open QUIC connections then there is a route to deprecate HTTP(/TLS)/TCP. Similarly, constrained devices that want to operate without HTTP(/TLS)/TCP could do so, bearing the risk of %N connection failure rate. ---- Forgive this stupid question: is there text somewhere in an RFC that requires a client accessing resources with a `https` scheme to use TCP? I appreciate the scheme is described in terms of TCP and port 443 but wonder if there is anything preventing a client from trying their luck on opening a QUIC connection whenever it sees a `https` scheme? ( a more sensible whitelist approach could also be taken). Perhaps this is more suited to an implementation debug feature, which supports Mike's testing ideas. ---- Forgive this other stupid question: what about other application-layer protocols over QUIC? Do they also have an implicit dependency on Alt-Svc, or is that totally inappropriate? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I agree with the opinions about new scheme(s). However, it does seem a s= hame to have this implicit dependency on Alt-Svc delivered by HTTP. By my u= nderstanding of Alt-Svc, the origin would have the requirement of offering = resources via HTTP(/TLS)/TCP in perpetuity. That seems a bit unfair to me.<= /p>

I recall some talk about TCP fallback (e.g. at the QUIC BoF IETF 96). No= text currently in WG docs seem to require this though. the closest is in t= he HTTP/QUIC mapping:

Connectivity problems (e.g. firewall blocking UDP) may result in=
 QUIC connection
establishment failure, in which case the client should gracefully fall back=
 to
HTTP/2.

If TCP fallback is not actually required, and a solution can be found t= o directly open QUIC connections then there is a route to deprecate HTTP(/T= LS)/TCP. Similarly, constrained devices that want to operate without HTTP(/= TLS)/TCP could do so, bearing the risk of %N connection failure rate.

Forgive this stupid question: is there text somewhere in an RFC that req= uires a client accessing resources with a https scheme to use = TCP? I appreciate the scheme is described in terms of TCP and port 443 but = wonder if there is anything preventing a client from trying their luck on = opening a QUIC connection whenever it sees a https scheme? ( a= more sensible whitelist approach could also be taken). Perhaps this is mor= e suited to an implementation debug feature, which supports Mike's testing = ideas.

Forgive this other stupid question: what about other application-layer p= rotocols over QUIC? Do they also have an implicit dependency on Alt-Svc, or= is that totally inappropriate?

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Thanks for the illumination. I'll put a pin in my ALTSVC thoughts for no= w, more important things to focus on.

It seems like there is some text to add around HTTP extensions, should w= e keep this issue open to track that?

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Other protocols have their own bootstrapping problems. Too much depends= on context to be sure. For instance, migrating something like FTP might b= e tricky and something akin to Alt-Svc might be the most practical approach= . On the other hand, migrating RTP probably won't have problems in this ar= ea because it uses a signaling protocol for setup (RTP would have a host of= other problems, of course).

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@janaiyengar, can you merge this please? I'll resolve conflicts for you.

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Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Describe peer authentication Commit: 2351733f31c390940f404027e9ecf2cc3a32db96 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2351733f31c390940f404027e9ecf2cc3a32db96 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-11 (Wed, 11 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Grammatical corrections Commit: ff1faa2503e42040d4f95b69a8644523ac684b31 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ff1faa2503e42040d4f95b69a8644523ac684b31 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-11 (Wed, 11 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Another Commit: 9657bcce12b8a129d18bbb2cdea730f2a887f1f0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9657bcce12b8a129d18bbb2cdea730f2a887f1f0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-12 (Thu, 12 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Remove redundancy Commit: 818c9a89fbe76632db2db9cb78f2326461f0b2dc https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/818c9a89fbe76632db2db9cb78f2326461f0b2dc Author: Alessandro Ghedini Date: 2017-01-21 (Sat, 21 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Frame type is already defined, don't repeat Commit: 30370d14e419ca61ef3bebd2b9110b50d6919ee6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/30370d14e419ca61ef3bebd2b9110b50d6919ee6 Author: Alessandro Ghedini Date: 2017-01-21 (Sat, 21 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Don't repeat how StreamID len is determined (other fields don't) Commit: 8da04f771ef656a5d8416c5c9a176bb2579d45f0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8da04f771ef656a5d8416c5c9a176bb2579d45f0 Author: Alessandro Ghedini Date: 2017-01-21 (Sat, 21 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Fix a bunch of typos Commit: 17fcc77431d9e048863e59ed9e458a5d6f724a15 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/17fcc77431d9e048863e59ed9e458a5d6f724a15 Author: Alessandro Ghedini Date: 2017-01-21 (Sat, 21 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Use "a RST_STREAM ..." for consistency Commit: 8c52cfd9efe956276d44ae7929fa89e128025db3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8c52cfd9efe956276d44ae7929fa89e128025db3 Author: Alessandro Ghedini Date: 2017-01-21 (Sat, 21 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Fix grammer by adding some words Commit: 509d3a813e5dcc13f94250b62b9b8659eb33ba11 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/509d3a813e5dcc13f94250b62b9b8659eb33ba11 Author: Alessandro Ghedini Date: 2017-01-21 (Sat, 21 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Don't repeat subject Commit: e1146e48821bc3b02415c78429046a4067469721 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e1146e48821bc3b02415c78429046a4067469721 Author: Alessandro Ghedini Date: 2017-01-21 (Sat, 21 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix more typos Commit: ea53fa88a8564a000793c63cb48dae006615041c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ea53fa88a8564a000793c63cb48dae006615041c Author: Alessandro Ghedini Date: 2017-01-21 (Sat, 21 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Somehow this sentence sounds weird, improve wording Commit: e8e6e66a458bf73f8f707c0fa285ebbeea1b2491 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e8e6e66a458bf73f8f707c0fa285ebbeea1b2491 Author: Alessandro Ghedini Date: 2017-01-21 (Sat, 21 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Saying "cumulative" once is enough I reckon Commit: 89846118ae85ae5366d273f2e765bb7f021bff59 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/89846118ae85ae5366d273f2e765bb7f021bff59 Author: Alessandro Ghedini Date: 2017-01-21 (Sat, 21 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Fix pseudo-code indentation Commit: e1431f8b3730a6da280f4944b26aa6ba9bdceb21 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e1431f8b3730a6da280f4944b26aa6ba9bdceb21 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-31 (Tue, 31 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #189 from ghedo/misc Misc. small fixes Commit: 900adf8fb30fdb72584cd114feb64fc5b8201e01 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/900adf8fb30fdb72584cd114feb64fc5b8201e01 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-31 (Tue, 31 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #138 from quicwg/tls13plus TLS 1.3 is the minimum acceptable TLS version Commit: 3695d359b66816f854434329f1b9133bf7a460fb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3695d359b66816f854434329f1b9133bf7a460fb Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-31 (Tue, 31 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M CONTRIBUTING.md M Makefile M README.md M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into client_auth Commit: 94d0a16a539970fe1272282162bd9f13443d3c60 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/94d0a16a539970fe1272282162bd9f13443d3c60 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-31 (Tue, 31 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #140 from quicwg/client_auth Describe peer authentication Commit: ce77aac945042e080fc23b9b5c9344450b403628 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ce77aac945042e080fc23b9b5c9344450b403628 Author: Patrick McManus Date: 2017-01-31 (Tue, 31 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- clarify connection termination text This particular sentence always confused me - it read as if it specified than an initiating peer had to send a close message to itself. 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Commit: 01f0441b77de243c5ffd1f14ed0488ee33bd81b2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/01f0441b77de243c5ffd1f14ed0488ee33bd81b2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-01-20 (Fri, 20 Jan 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove unbalanced double quote Commit: 7515ad7dc644495bcebe22076c32911bbda77df3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7515ad7dc644495bcebe22076c32911bbda77df3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-02-01 (Wed, 01 Feb 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #180 from quicwg/ianswett-patch-1 Clarify the ack frame section Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/aae6fb13d0c0...7515ad7dc644 ----==_mimepart_58915139d8d17_52ee3fb23e045134606f7-- From nobody Tue Jan 31 19:36:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E801298CF for ; 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I'm going to open a new PR for this one and I'll ask for another review, since it turned out to be a fairly big set of changes. > -An endpoint that receives any frame for this stream after receiving either a FIN -flag and all stream data preceding it, or a RST_STREAM frame, MUST quietly -discard the frame, with one exception. If a STREAM frame carrying data beyond -the received final offset is received, the endpoint MUST close the connection -with a QUIC_STREAM_DATA_AFTER_TERMINATION error ({{error-handling}}). +An endpoint that receives a FIN flag or a RST_STREAM frame knows the final +offset for this stream. If a STREAM frame carrying data beyond the received +final offset is received, the endpoint MUST close the connection with a +QUIC_STREAM_DATA_AFTER_TERMINATION error ({{error-handling}}). + +An endpoint MUST close the connection with a QUIC_STREAM_DATA_AFTER_TERMINATION +error if it receives a RST_STREAM frame or a FIN flag with a lower final offset +than the highest data offset it already received on that stream. This can be simplified greatly: If a STREAM frame carries data with an offset higher than the final offset, {{ERROR}}. If a RST_STREAM or a STREAM frame marked with a FIN flag indicates a different final offset, {{ERROR}}. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/145#pullrequestreview-19476571 ----==_mimepart_589157db673e0_7b53f9ebfe6b1387145e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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I'm going to open a new PR for this one and I'll ask for another review, since it turned out to be a fairly big set of changes.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-An endpoint that receives any frame for this stream after receiving either a FIN
-flag and all stream data preceding it, or a RST_STREAM frame, MUST quietly
-discard the frame, with one exception.  If a STREAM frame carrying data beyond
-the received final offset is received, the endpoint MUST close the connection
-with a QUIC_STREAM_DATA_AFTER_TERMINATION error ({{error-handling}}).
+An endpoint that receives a FIN flag or a RST_STREAM frame knows the final
+offset for this stream. If a STREAM frame carrying data beyond the received
+final offset is received, the endpoint MUST close the connection with a
+QUIC_STREAM_DATA_AFTER_TERMINATION error ({{error-handling}}).
+
+An endpoint MUST close the connection with a QUIC_STREAM_DATA_AFTER_TERMINATION
+error if it receives a RST_STREAM frame or a FIN flag with a lower final offset
+than the highest data offset it already received on that stream.

This can be simplified greatly:

If a STREAM frame carries data with an offset higher than the final offset, {{ERROR}}. If a RST_STREAM or a STREAM frame marked with a FIN flag indicates a different final offset, {{ERROR}}.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
-    Alt-Svc: hq=":443";v="x1";v="cQ034"
+    Alt-Svc: hq=":443";quic=1;quic=51303334

I suspect this is obvious, but it might be nice to explain why 0x00000001 is ASCII encoded as "1" and not "00000001". I assume the idea is that leading '0's may be removed from the hex encoded string?

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I've taken the notion of "final offset" and formalized it more: * Define final offset as the offset of the end of stream data * Describe how the final offset is carried in RST_STREAM and STREAM frames * Final offset can't change, describe the error to use * Data can't be sent after the final offset, describe the error to use * Update the field name in the RST_STREAM frame description * Reference the relevant text in the closed state in both of the half-closed states The major technical difference here is that generating a QUIC_STREAM_DATA_AFTER_TERMINATION error is not mandatory - that would force endpoints to keep a 64-bit final offset for closed streams, which causes state commitment beyond their concurrency limit. This closes #145 by superseding it. 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This is based on @marten-seemann's work on #145. I've taken the notion of "final offset" and formalized it more:

  • Define final offset as the offset of the end of stream data
  • Describe how the final offset is carried in RST_STREAM and STREAM frames
  • Final offset can't change, describe the error to use
  • Data can't be sent after the final offset, describe the error to use
  • Update the field name in the RST_STREAM frame description
  • Reference the relevant text in the closed state in both of the half-closed states

The major technical difference here is that generating a QUIC_STREAM_DATA_AFTER_TERMINATION error is not mandatory - that would force endpoints to keep a 64-bit final offset for closed streams, which causes state commitment beyond their concurrency limit.

This closes #145 by superseding it.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/254

Commit Summary

  • handle reordered RST_STREAM frames and FIN flags
  • allow reading from streams that a RST_STREAM has been received for
  • Revert "allow reading from streams that a RST_STREAM has been received for"
  • minor changes, fix typos
  • Rewrite final offset text
  • Editorial pass after self-review

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I'm fairly sure that we could iterate on this, but I've noted a few more issues, in particular with 0-RTT. > @@ -577,17 +569,15 @@ value. 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ - | Identifier (16) |B| Length (15) | + | Identifier (16) | Length (16) | The comment is in the wrong place. Sure. The hazard with defining a frame type is that you now need handling for it. If it wasn't a frame, there would be no possibility of error. > @@ -624,9 +616,8 @@ each HTTP/2 SETTINGS parameter is mapped: SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE: : An integer with a maximum value of 2^32 - 1. - SETTINGS_ENABLE_PUSH: - : Transmitted as a Boolean. The default remains "true" as specified in - {{!RFC7540}}. + SETTINGS_DISABLE_PUSH: I think that we can afford to spend a few octets on enabling push. > +Servers MAY continue processing data from clients which conform to these +defaults during the initial flight, even if the client behavior exceeds its +current configuration. If the connection is closed because these or other +constraints were violated during the 0-RTT flight, clients MAY retry using the +settings sent by the server on the closed connection. It's not obvious that it is safe to retry. The key insight (that took me a while to latch onto) is that 0-RTT data is replayable, so it's OK to assume that it's safe to retry. You should say that and help people avoid having to chase down that logical rabbit every time they read this. I also think that this needs to be clearer about reconnecting as opposed to retrying any requests. That is "[...] a client MAY establish a new connection and retry any 0-RTT requests. This assumes that only requests that are safe to retry are sent in 0-RTT, as required by [...something]." Separately, it's not obvious here that the client is able to learn the new settings if the server terminates the connection. You have to explain that the server cannot generate an error code until it completes the handshake and therefore the client could learn updated settings. However, it's not guaranteed that the client will get the updated settings. Because hq errors are signaled at the transport layer, the server code might not send the stream data carrying the SETTINGS frame before sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE unless we insist that they do so (I'm not sure that would be a good idea). Finally, you need some rules about how to proceed in the case that assumed values (cached or defaults) exceed or violate actual values. I assume that a client can't add to the header table and is encouraged to remove entries immediately. Header list size seems like an easy one. 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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

I'm fairly sure that we could iterate on this, but I've noted a few more issues, in particular with 0-RTT.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -577,17 +569,15 @@ value.
     0                   1                   2                   3
     0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
    +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-   |        Identifier (16)        |B|        Length (15)          |
+   |        Identifier (16)        |         Length (16)           |

The comment is in the wrong place. Sure. The hazard with defining a frame type is that you now need handling for it. If it wasn't a frame, there would be no possibility of error.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -624,9 +616,8 @@ each HTTP/2 SETTINGS parameter is mapped:
   SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE:
   : An integer with a maximum value of 2^32 - 1.
 
-  SETTINGS_ENABLE_PUSH:
-  : Transmitted as a Boolean.  The default remains "true" as specified in
-    {{!RFC7540}}.
+  SETTINGS_DISABLE_PUSH:

I think that we can afford to spend a few octets on enabling push.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
+Servers MAY continue processing data from clients which conform to these
+defaults during the initial flight, even if the client behavior exceeds its
+current configuration.  If the connection is closed because these or other
+constraints were violated during the 0-RTT flight, clients MAY retry using the
+settings sent by the server on the closed connection.

It's not obvious that it is safe to retry. The key insight (that took me a while to latch onto) is that 0-RTT data is replayable, so it's OK to assume that it's safe to retry. You should say that and help people avoid having to chase down that logical rabbit every time they read this. I also think that this needs to be clearer about reconnecting as opposed to retrying any requests. That is "[...] a client MAY establish a new connection and retry any 0-RTT requests. This assumes that only requests that are safe to retry are sent in 0-RTT, as required by [...something]."

Separately, it's not obvious here that the client is able to learn the new settings if the server terminates the connection. You have to explain that the server cannot generate an error code until it completes the handshake and therefore the client could learn updated settings. However, it's not guaranteed that the client will get the updated settings. Because hq errors are signaled at the transport layer, the server code might not send the stream data carrying the SETTINGS frame before sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE unless we insist that they do so (I'm not sure that would be a good idea).

Finally, you need some rules about how to proceed in the case that assumed values (cached or defaults) exceed or violate actual values. I assume that a client can't add to the header table and is encouraged to remove entries immediately. Header list size seems like an easy one.

This design implies that the definition of new settings have extra requirements. Each setting needs:

  • a default value
  • a rule defining whether it can be carried across into 0-RTT
  • rules defining how to move between assumed value and an actual value for 0-RTT

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----==_mimepart_58915f7457cbc_7b9e3fc0eb0f713479835-- From nobody Tue Jan 31 20:11:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F742129C53 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 20:11:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TN8z2hwwyNbr for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 20:11:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6098D129C4F for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 20:11:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=S3d0INxdVVqXnJFGmxE2K++iO6M=; b=daR6iOZnLeduAF+B AxiCBT55Fsh5u02l+q6OQMkWkLhRT7aZ6UoOzT26boP6C9Qg/YPZEqCclHvCZgM/ D49IWlm9ZE9Zqe8BOYUZ5aprD9nMcsZUEU4H5jvzb09QblYrPBdMesgQhn1Ba0My poVL4C8lsiVgheeR4825bOaZdB0= Received: by filter0995p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0995p1mdw1-21294-58916001-8 2017-02-01 04:11:45.256341681 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id q3llBSwQSoaw0D7XvnW1hw for ; Wed, 01 Feb 2017 04:11:45.180 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 20:11:45 -0800 From: Martin Thomson To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Use the VERSION flag to identify 0-RTT packets (#207) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_589160011424c_3743ffdb7ac513056324"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0X9FCy4qc0zGlMvJZ14dKSC1oZDRrALfjLvs 50oLKKd1kh9QexHHXRfF8IuDJmAJNy+gAkwmMQm6u0AXriiVZUlaPaLA4b9K1g7HKw006P10VpubaP AR6PeOk6Ow7pYWQhQlqUvr4Zrr5JDv0iPQWEo6LW0Mij3SZ+oQIFuD0/jxUQq6I0MNqfK2AAxLhn1V o= Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2017 04:11:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_589160011424c_3743ffdb7ac513056324 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar, I've updated this based on the agreement we came to. Can you confirm and merge? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/207#issuecomment-276567834 ----==_mimepart_589160011424c_3743ffdb7ac513056324 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar, I've updated this based on the agreement we came to. Can you confirm and merge?

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----==_mimepart_589160011424c_3743ffdb7ac513056324-- From nobody Tue Jan 31 22:54:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 717DF129964 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 22:54:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.109 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.109 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1.156, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r8kRIBRdvULl for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 22:54:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext5.iad.github.net [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9F87120727 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 22:54:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 22:54:23 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1485932063; bh=HZjyYBACbam6dYN5DpFxt70N+ghFeljxbo6Sj1GGjSQ=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=WaYoJIp1pB1o9t6X1YBWSCEB5/KHDT6Vp8lSaoj3zLZKsD8EDUYXg05xnI1GXll8B jk2dvXRw8H73/Q7m4H2cxU/nGLfVTRyHUI3kPuFeKjoTaT6BGtEMJAOMWn4DsDu2Mz LNb06ncL7Ttnx54Cg4GJAHDSt53y9he0P+28F09g= From: Dragana Damjanovic To: quicwg/base-drafts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK rules and packet protection (#34) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5891861f10228_2d943fe7f83a71344438e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ddragana X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: Cc: Subscribed X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: quic@ietf.org List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2017 06:54:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5891861f10228_2d943fe7f83a71344438e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a small down side of having encryption strongly connected with transport. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/34#issuecomment-276586188 ----==_mimepart_5891861f10228_2d943fe7f83a71344438e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This is a small down side of having encryption strongly connected with transport.

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