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Technically, the choice of sending it would be unilateral.

But I think if we add this, we need SHOULD(s) on the appropriate times to include this(ie: in packets containing an ack frame).  And I believe we may want this to be a MUST do.  If we believe the path is relying upon them for network management or optimization, then I think a MUST makes sense.  If we don't think the path really needs it, we shouldn't add it.

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<p>Technically, the choice of sending it would be unilateral.</p>
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ianswett commented on this pull request.



> @@ -778,6 +778,21 @@ the connection that is hosted on stream 1.  This sequence number is not visible
 to QUIC.
 
 
+## Receiving Protected Packets
+
+Once an endpoint successfully receives a packet with a given packet number, it
+MUST discard all packets with higher packet numbers if they cannot be
+successfully unprotected with either the same key, or - if there is a key update
+- the next packet protection key (see {{key-update}}).  Similarly, a packet that

We could require closing the connection if a packet was already processed, under the theory it's either an implementation error or someone intentionally trying to corrupt the connection?

I believe it's as simple as checking if any packets with larger have been processed when a key change occurs?

> @@ -778,6 +778,21 @@ the connection that is hosted on stream 1.  This sequence number is not visible
 to QUIC.
 
 
+## Receiving Protected Packets
+
+Once an endpoint successfully receives a packet with a given packet number, it
+MUST discard all packets with higher packet numbers if they cannot be
+successfully unprotected with either the same key, or - if there is a key update
+- the next packet protection key (see {{key-update}}).  Similarly, a packet that
+appears to trigger a key update, but cannot be unprotected successfully MUST be
+discarded.
+
+Failure to unprotect a packet does not necessarily indicate the existence of a
+protocol error in a peer or an attack.  The truncated packet number encoding

I think it's more likely the internet corrupts the packet.  Also, incorrect truncation is a form of peer bug I'd argue.

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/345#discussion_r103717295">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -778,6 +778,21 @@ the connection that is hosted on stream 1.  This sequence number is not visible
 to QUIC.
 
 
+## Receiving Protected Packets
+
+Once an endpoint successfully receives a packet with a given packet number, it
+MUST discard all packets with higher packet numbers if they cannot be
+successfully unprotected with either the same key, or - if there is a key update
+- the next packet protection key (see {{key-update}}).  Similarly, a packet that
</pre>
<p>We could require closing the connection if a packet was already processed, under the theory it's either an implementation error or someone intentionally trying to corrupt the connection?</p>
<p>I believe it's as simple as checking if any packets with larger have been processed when a key change occurs?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/345#discussion_r103717553">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -778,6 +778,21 @@ the connection that is hosted on stream 1.  This sequence number is not visible
 to QUIC.
 
 
+## Receiving Protected Packets
+
+Once an endpoint successfully receives a packet with a given packet number, it
+MUST discard all packets with higher packet numbers if they cannot be
+successfully unprotected with either the same key, or - if there is a key update
+- the next packet protection key (see {{key-update}}).  Similarly, a packet that
+appears to trigger a key update, but cannot be unprotected successfully MUST be
+discarded.
+
+Failure to unprotect a packet does not necessarily indicate the existence of a
+protocol error in a peer or an attack.  The truncated packet number encoding
</pre>
<p>I think it's more likely the internet corrupts the packet.  Also, incorrect truncation is a form of peer bug I'd argue.</p>

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It ought to certainly be at least a SHOULD, and a MUST if no one comes up
with a situation where this might compromise privacy.

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> Technically, the choice of sending it would be unilateral.
>
> But I think if we add this, we need SHOULD(s) on the appropriate times to
> include this(ie: in packets containing an ack frame). And I believe we may
> want this to be a MUST do. If we believe the path is relying upon them for
> network management or optimization, then I think a MUST makes sense. If we
> don't think the path really needs it, we shouldn't add it.
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Agreed that the goal should be MUST; my point on "unilateral" is that no negotiation is required.

Adding guidance on when/how often to echo (the sweet spot of the overhead/benefit curve) might be a little difficult to make universal, but is worth doing. It'll make a nice (if smallish) bikeshed.



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Initial suggestion to address #269, based on alternate header proposal from @janaiyengar 
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/351

-- Commit Summary --

  * Partial commit of new header format
  * initial packet number echo suggestion

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (252)

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<p>Initial suggestion to address <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/269" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/269" data-id="206298017" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#269</a>, based on alternate header proposal from <a href="https://github.com/janaiyengar" class="user-mention">@janaiyengar</a></p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Partial commit of new header format</li>
  <li>initial packet number echo suggestion</li>
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    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/351/files#diff-0">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>
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> @@ -778,6 +778,21 @@ the connection that is hosted on stream 1.  This sequence number is not visible
 to QUIC.
 
 
+## Receiving Protected Packets
+
+Once an endpoint successfully receives a packet with a given packet number, it
+MUST discard all packets with higher packet numbers if they cannot be
+successfully unprotected with either the same key, or - if there is a key update
+- the next packet protection key (see {{key-update}}).  Similarly, a packet that

The problem there is that it's such a bizarre corner case that you wouldn't necessarily have code for it.  If the packets arrive in the other order, you will drop the higher packet number because you don't even try to decrypt it.  Maintaining the invariant that order of processing doesn't matter is hard here.  It's also the case that the obvious implementation of this doesn't necessarily couple the choice of advancing the keys with updating the last received packet number (I've implemented this for DTLS, and while the code is nearby, it's much easier not to entangle these concepts).

I think that I would rather say "MAY kill the connection".  That leaves the possibility open, and I don't have to explain how tricky it is to get this all lined up.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/345#discussion_r103815242">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -778,6 +778,21 @@ the connection that is hosted on stream 1.  This sequence number is not visible
 to QUIC.
 
 
+## Receiving Protected Packets
+
+Once an endpoint successfully receives a packet with a given packet number, it
+MUST discard all packets with higher packet numbers if they cannot be
+successfully unprotected with either the same key, or - if there is a key update
+- the next packet protection key (see {{key-update}}).  Similarly, a packet that
</pre>
<p>The problem there is that it's such a bizarre corner case that you wouldn't necessarily have code for it.  If the packets arrive in the other order, you will drop the higher packet number because you don't even try to decrypt it.  Maintaining the invariant that order of processing doesn't matter is hard here.  It's also the case that the obvious implementation of this doesn't necessarily couple the choice of advancing the keys with updating the last received packet number (I've implemented this for DTLS, and while the code is nearby, it's much easier not to entangle these concepts).</p>
<p>I think that I would rather say "MAY kill the connection".  That leaves the possibility open, and I don't have to explain how tricky it is to get this all lined up.</p>

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> @@ -778,6 +778,21 @@ the connection that is hosted on stream 1.  This sequence number is not visible
 to QUIC.
 
 
+## Receiving Protected Packets
+
+Once an endpoint successfully receives a packet with a given packet number, it
+MUST discard all packets with higher packet numbers if they cannot be
+successfully unprotected with either the same key, or - if there is a key update
+- the next packet protection key (see {{key-update}}).  Similarly, a packet that
+appears to trigger a key update, but cannot be unprotected successfully MUST be
+discarded.
+
+Failure to unprotect a packet does not necessarily indicate the existence of a
+protocol error in a peer or an attack.  The truncated packet number encoding

I thought that too, but a few factors lead me to think that this is still worth saying.  Where the error comes from doesn't change the outcome.  And severe reordering does happen on occasional packets.  Also, your current scheme for picking the truncation length fails if there is a sudden large increase in send rate; packets before the jump that are delayed until after the jump in rate might have shorter packet numbers and thus could be decoded incorrectly.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/345#discussion_r103815721">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -778,6 +778,21 @@ the connection that is hosted on stream 1.  This sequence number is not visible
 to QUIC.
 
 
+## Receiving Protected Packets
+
+Once an endpoint successfully receives a packet with a given packet number, it
+MUST discard all packets with higher packet numbers if they cannot be
+successfully unprotected with either the same key, or - if there is a key update
+- the next packet protection key (see {{key-update}}).  Similarly, a packet that
+appears to trigger a key update, but cannot be unprotected successfully MUST be
+discarded.
+
+Failure to unprotect a packet does not necessarily indicate the existence of a
+protocol error in a peer or an attack.  The truncated packet number encoding
</pre>
<p>I thought that too, but a few factors lead me to think that this is still worth saying.  Where the error comes from doesn't change the outcome.  And severe reordering does happen on occasional packets.  Also, your current scheme for picking the truncation length fails if there is a sudden large increase in send rate; packets before the jump that are delayed until after the jump in rate might have shorter packet numbers and thus could be decoded incorrectly.</p>

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This is a lot of bytes to spend and it looks like you want a lot of those bytes spent.  That makes me think that @janaiyengar's arguments about short packet numbers are going to have fun with this.

I agree that if you pick the design you propose, unilateral certainly makes the most sense.  This isn't an optional feature.

BTW, you can't really measure RTT with this given the time between receipt and ACK, but I guess that you can narrow in on a value close to RTT and maybe that's enough.  It's about as good as you get with TCP, as you point out.

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The proposal would be to identify the stream number in the both send AND receive directions.  Higher number streams are implicitly and pre-emptively reset.  Sounds easy enough to do.

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<p>The proposal would be to identify the stream number in the both send AND receive directions.  Higher number streams are implicitly and pre-emptively reset.  Sounds easy enough to do.</p>

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I'm not sure that 4 (for large-window flows) to 7 (for small-window flows) bytes per RTT in the MUST (see #351) counts as "a lot of bytes". Obviously echoing on every packet with an ACK frame uses more.

You can measure RTT components on each leg (observation point to endpoint A, observation point to endpoint B) and add them together; see e.g. http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2539132 (which uses tsval/tsecr, but it doesn't really matter what you're echoing)

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<p>I'm not sure that 4 (for large-window flows) to 7 (for small-window flow=
s) bytes per RTT in the MUST (see <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base=
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ket with an ACK frame uses more.</p>
<p>You can measure RTT components on each leg (observation point to endpoin=
t A, observation point to endpoint B) and add them together; see e.g. <a hr=
ef=3D"http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=3D2539132">http://queue.acm.org/de=
tail.cfm?id=3D2539132</a> (which uses tsval/tsecr, but it doesn't really ma=
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  Branch: refs/heads/reorder_old_packets
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: da610a0be9b5ab4b5469c7b0827e588afa4e25b9
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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-02 (Thu, 02 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

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I added a small piece of text about the weird reordering Marten pointed out.  I flip-flopped on whether to use MUST, but I think that it is the right answer here.  You will observe that detection isn't guaranteed, so I decided that making the MUST conditional on detection gives implementations a tiny bit of wiggle room if they decide that detecting the condition is too tricky.

Note that it is not possible to generate packets that guarantee triggering this behaviour, so failure of a compliance test on this point is going to be hard to use as justification for a non-compliance label.

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I support packet number echo at the "MUST" level.  I can't easily correlate an ephemeral path performance indication with a privacy breach, but if someone else can connect the dots I'm willing to learn the linkage. 
In general, I support the Management draft because it has raised several issues I'm interested to follow and resolve during the remaining spec development.  (acmacm is Al Morton)

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In writing up a change for GOAWAY, I realize that it doesn't need to signal the error condition that triggered it.  An endpoint that wants to kill a connection can use CONNECTION_CLOSE and the error code that carries.  The purpose of GOAWAY is to signal graceful shutdown and to mark multiple streams as being safe to retry.

If it doesn't need an error code, then the reason phrase can go away as well.

(This might depend on the outcome of discussions that suggest that CONNECTION_CLOSE could be replaced by Public Reset.  Or, it might influence the outcome of that discussion...)

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<p>In writing up a change for GOAWAY, I realize that it doesn't need to signal the error condition that triggered it.  An endpoint that wants to kill a connection can use CONNECTION_CLOSE and the error code that carries.  The purpose of GOAWAY is to signal graceful shutdown and to mark multiple streams as being safe to retry.</p>
<p>If it doesn't need an error code, then the reason phrase can go away as well.</p>
<p>(This might depend on the outcome of discussions that suggest that CONNECTION_CLOSE could be replaced by Public Reset.  Or, it might influence the outcome of that discussion...)</p>

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@martinduke suggested that we might remove CONNECTION_CLOSE in favour of using a Public Reset packet.  That would require that the error code be made public knowledge.

I can see a few advantages for a middlebox, primary of these being a clear signal that a connection is done (though that would not be something that could be strongly authenticated).  It would also simplify state on servers that decide to terminate a connection: they only have to keep whatever information they need to generate a Public Reset, which is a single piece of global state. 

The downside is the insights that the error code give into the otherwise confidential operations of the protocol (we'd likely want to tighten the level of detail in error codes).  Also, it means that a server that wants to permit retries would have to send two packets: a GOAWAY packet in addition to the Public Reset.

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<p><a href="https://github.com/martinduke" class="user-mention">@martinduke</a> suggested that we might remove CONNECTION_CLOSE in favour of using a Public Reset packet.  That would require that the error code be made public knowledge.</p>
<p>I can see a few advantages for a middlebox, primary of these being a clear signal that a connection is done (though that would not be something that could be strongly authenticated).  It would also simplify state on servers that decide to terminate a connection: they only have to keep whatever information they need to generate a Public Reset, which is a single piece of global state.</p>
<p>The downside is the insights that the error code give into the otherwise confidential operations of the protocol (we'd likely want to tighten the level of detail in error codes).  Also, it means that a server that wants to permit retries would have to send two packets: a GOAWAY packet in addition to the Public Reset.</p>

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I suggest to make any requirement on ACK reduction simple (1 ACK : N Packets Received). For reasons I'm sorting-through (and may have to wait till Chicago), I suspect that 1:1 should be allowed because feedback helps understand performance. (acmacm is Al Morton)

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I don't understand "Also, it means that a server that wants to permit retries would have to send two packets: a GOAWAY packet in addition to the Public Reset."

Today a server has to send a GOAWAY and a CONNECTION_CLOSE, so it seems equivalent?

But yes, I think the only concern is that the error code could be a privacy leak of some sort.

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<p>I don't understand "Also, it means that a server that wants to permit re=
tries would have to send two packets: a GOAWAY packet in addition to the Pu=
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<p>Today a server has to send a GOAWAY and a CONNECTION_CLOSE, so it seems =
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<p>But yes, I think the only concern is that the error code could be a priv=
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I favor removing error code and the reason phrase from GOAWAY, but adding a sender side stream ID as mentioned in #347 

Removing the reason phrase is in #187 as well.

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<p>I favor removing error code and the reason phrase from GOAWAY, but adding a sender side stream ID as mentioned in <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/347" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/347" data-id="210072660" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#347</a></p>
<p>Removing the reason phrase is in <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/187" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/187" data-id="202283383" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#187</a> as well.</p>

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@martinthomson My solution to the short packet number approach is to define a codepoints for 2 byte packet numbers and 2 byte echos.  This covers the vast majority of connections which have limit the max number of outstanding packets to less than 32,000.

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GOAWAY and CONNECTION_CLOSE can be sent in the same packet.  Public Reset can't occupy the same packet as GOAWAY.

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  Branch: refs/heads/goaway_symmetric
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  GOAWAY needs a maximum stream number in both directions

I have also taken the liberty of making the text that matches this
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  Branch: refs/heads/goaway_symmetric
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I have also taken the liberty of updating the text that surrounds the frame type.

@janaiyengar, @mnot, @larseggert, I believe that this is basically a bugfix and it doesn't need any more discussion that it has already.  If you disagree, then we'll hold off on merging until we've had more discussion.

Closes #347.
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  * GOAWAY needs a maximum stream number in both directions
  * Advice on use of GOAWAY during error handling

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (66)

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<p>I have also taken the liberty of updating the text that surrounds the frame type.</p>
<p><a href="https://github.com/janaiyengar" class="user-mention">@janaiyengar</a>, <a href="https://github.com/mnot" class="user-mention">@mnot</a>, <a href="https://github.com/larseggert" class="user-mention">@larseggert</a>, I believe that this is basically a bugfix and it doesn't need any more discussion that it has already.  If you disagree, then we'll hold off on merging until we've had more discussion.</p>
<p>Closes <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/347" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/347" data-id="210072660" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#347</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>GOAWAY needs a maximum stream number in both directions</li>
  <li>Advice on use of GOAWAY during error handling</li>
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  Branch: refs/heads/goaway_for_no_reason
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In an error condition, CONNECTION_CLOSE is your friend.

Closes #352. Builds on #354.
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-- Commit Summary --

  * GOAWAY needs a maximum stream number in both directions
  * Advice on use of GOAWAY during error handling
  * Remove error code and reason phrase from GOAWAY

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (55)

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<p>In an error condition, CONNECTION_CLOSE is your friend.</p>
<p>Closes <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/352" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/352" data-id="211254055" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#352</a>. Builds on <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/354" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/354" data-id="211277865" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#354</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
<ul>
  <li>GOAWAY needs a maximum stream number in both directions</li>
  <li>Advice on use of GOAWAY during error handling</li>
  <li>Remove error code and reason phrase from GOAWAY</li>
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    <strong>M</strong>
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It would be good if someone could provide N.  I hear that GQUIC uses N=2.  I agree that 1:1 should be fine.  I also think that having an ACK on every (live) RTT is valuable as well, especially if you aren't sending anything else (as sometimes happens in HTTP).

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Clearing the label.  I *think* that the transport depends on TLS, but we're trying to keep a clear delineation between the two.

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<p>Clearing the label.  I <em>think</em> that the transport depends on TLS, but we're trying to keep a clear delineation between the two.</p>

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To one that is based on mathematics.

I didn't take Ian's text, I thought that some expository text might help, even if I didn't go into detail about huge loss-gaps.  I also didn't use "SHOULD" regarding a larger value.  Any reordering that is enough to cause the packet number to be decoded incorrectly is *also* going to be repaired as a result of the loss recovery algorithm, so it's only really a safeguard against perverse reordering scenarios and to *maybe* avoid having the receiver need the retransmission.

I also had to rework the example.

Closes #323.
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<p>To one that is based on mathematics.</p>
<p>I didn't take Ian's text, I thought that some expository text might help, even if I didn't go into detail about huge loss-gaps.  I also didn't use "SHOULD" regarding a larger value.  Any reordering that is enough to cause the packet number to be decoded incorrectly is <em>also</em> going to be repaired as a result of the loss recovery algorithm, so it's only really a safeguard against perverse reordering scenarios and to <em>maybe</em> avoid having the receiver need the retransmission.</p>
<p>I also had to rework the example.</p>
<p>Closes <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/323" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/323" data-id="208569921" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#323</a>.</p>

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  <li>Narrow the packet number encoding range requirement to one that is based on mathematics</li>
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> If we go with approach 1, then we need some mechanism that load balancers can use to detect if a packet's connection ID is server-chosen or not. 

@RyanAtGoogle, (or @igorlord) can you justify the "need" part of this?  You both make the assertion, but don't justify it and I can't work out why you have this need.  Are you concerned that a stateless server will either be unable to pick a new value because it isn't sure if a new value was already chosen by another instance of itself?

I think that you could make a good argument for the server being able to respond with a different connection ID on every cleartext packet it sends.  As long as this resolves by the time the client starts sending short packets, then multiple changes aren't a problem for the client.  That requires only two things. Firstly, the different connection IDs used by the "server" all route to the same place for anything that depends on server-local state, i.e., only stateless reject or version negotiation can be used to change routing.  Finally, the client can't move to a different source address during the handshake.  I think those are reasonable constraints.

One advantage of a random value is that it might be good enough and it keeps the load balancing infrastructure quite simple.  Maybe this isn't the perfect strategy, but a server could - as Google's deployment currently does in all but a few cases - let the client pick the route at random.  They could stick with that unless it hurt them, and then they could trigger a stateless reject (or version negotiation if that is possible) to move any surplus clients around.

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<p>I think that you could make a good argument for the server being able to=
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lus clients around.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/stream-limit
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You could have a limited set of short error codes and a longer reasoning phase that is encrypted and can only be send if the server still has encryption context.

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<p>You could have a limited set of short error codes and a longer reasoning phase that is encrypted and can only be send if the server still has encryption context.</p>

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I might probably okay to always have a short (e.g. 2 byte) echo no matter how long the packet number is because RTT measuremnents are estimated only and you always have to account for potential measurement errors.

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Under some circumstances the endpoint needs a clear indication that the connection is done beyond GOAWAY. So let's send that authenticated so it can be trusted. That's generally a great property of QUIC, I don't think we should throw it away here - we should be removing PUBLIC_RESET uses cases wherever possible because they have poor security properties.



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1:1 acking is ok as long as that excludes acks.  Acks must be acked at a rate much less than 1:1, I would advise at most 1 ack for every two acks.

GQUIC follows TCP's approach of N=2 with a delayed ack timer, but we use a delayed ack timer of 25ms.  TCP delayed ack timers vary substantially by platform in practice, but tend to default to ~200ms in internet environments.

I think we should recommend a default, for which I'd suggest as TCP/GQUIC's default, as well as the ability to negotiate other values of N and the delayed ack timer.  If we don't want to allow negotiation, we should at least allow the peer to inform the sender of their ack algorithm.

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<p>1:1 acking is ok as long as that excludes acks.  Acks must be acked at=
 a rate much less than 1:1, I would advise at most 1 ack for every two ac=
ks.</p>
<p>GQUIC follows TCP's approach of N=3D2 with a delayed ack timer, but we=
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lly by platform in practice, but tend to default to ~200ms in internet en=
vironments.</p>
<p>I think we should recommend a default, for which I'd suggest as TCP/GQ=
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>  
-* Reason Phrase Length: A 16-bit unsigned number specifying the length of the
-  reason phrase.  This may be zero if the sender chooses to not give details
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+Last Server Stream ID:
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+: The last server-initiated Stream ID which was accepted by the sender of the

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<p><b>@LPardue</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/355#discussion_r103976092">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
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<p>"The last server-initiated Stream ID which was accepted by the sender of the GOAWAY frame" sounds a bit wonky.</p>

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> we should be removing PUBLIC_RESET uses cases wherever possible because they have poor security properties.

I don't see what this achieves. We are not going to eliminate PUBLIC_RESET, so it will always be available for attackers who want to break connections. The protocol is only as strong as the PUBLIC_RESET authentication, so imposing additional security on a subset of termination messages achieves nothing.

This wouldn't be true if we declared different behavior on receipt of PUBLIC_RESET: for instance, the receiver could keep state for some amount of time, in case legitimate packets arrived after a spoofed reset. But in the absence of such a mechanism, CONNECTION_CLOSE achieves nothing.

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<p>we should be removing PUBLIC_RESET uses cases wherever possible becaus=
e they have poor security properties.</p>
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<p>I don't see what this achieves. We are not going to eliminate PUBLIC_R=
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ections. The protocol is only as strong as the PUBLIC_RESET authenticatio=
n, so imposing additional security on a subset of termination messages ac=
hieves nothing.</p>
<p>This wouldn't be true if we declared different behavior on receipt of =
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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/355#discussion_r103978332">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
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-  reason phrase.  This may be zero if the sender chooses to not give details
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<p>Yes, how about was created or will be created?</p>

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> @@ -470,7 +472,9 @@ this version, it contains:
   * 01: 1-RTT packet (packet number size = 1)
   * 02: 1-RTT packet (packet number size = 2)
   * 03: 1-RTT packet (packet number size = 4)
+  * 07: 1-RTT packet (packet number size = 4, with packet number echo)

Can add two additional codepoints here:
```
* 05: 1-RTT packet (packet number size = 1, packet number echo size = 1)
* 06: 1-RTT packet (packet number size = 2, packet number echo size = 2)
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(I remain skeptical of the tradeoff for varlen packet numbers, but if we're going to have them, we might as well have varlen echo as well.)

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/351#discussion_r103982599">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -470,7 +472,9 @@ this version, it contains:
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   * 03: 1-RTT packet (packet number size = 4)
+  * 07: 1-RTT packet (packet number size = 4, with packet number echo)
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<p>Can add two additional codepoints here:</p>
<pre><code>* 05: 1-RTT packet (packet number size = 1, packet number echo size = 1)
* 06: 1-RTT packet (packet number size = 2, packet number echo size = 2)
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<p>(I remain skeptical of the tradeoff for varlen packet numbers, but if we're going to have them, we might as well have varlen echo as well.)</p>

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ianswett commented on this pull request.



> @@ -470,7 +472,9 @@ this version, it contains:
   * 01: 1-RTT packet (packet number size = 1)
   * 02: 1-RTT packet (packet number size = 2)
   * 03: 1-RTT packet (packet number size = 4)
+  * 07: 1-RTT packet (packet number size = 4, with packet number echo)

Sadly, I think a 1 byte echo is commonly too small, whereas 2 bytes is almost always sufficient.  Given this is going to be used on the public internet, I'd define the 2 byte version but not the 1 byte version.

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/351#discussion_r103983416">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -470,7 +472,9 @@ this version, it contains:
   * 01: 1-RTT packet (packet number size = 1)
   * 02: 1-RTT packet (packet number size = 2)
   * 03: 1-RTT packet (packet number size = 4)
+  * 07: 1-RTT packet (packet number size = 4, with packet number echo)
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<p>Sadly, I think a 1 byte echo is commonly too small, whereas 2 bytes is almost always sufficient.  Given this is going to be used on the public internet, I'd define the 2 byte version but not the 1 byte version.</p>

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@ianswett yep, have added a comment to this effect to #351. 

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<p><a href="https://github.com/ianswett" class="user-mention">@ianswett</a> yep, have added a comment to this effect to <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/351" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/351" data-id="211197045" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#351</a>.</p>

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> We are not going to eliminate PUBLIC_RESET,


I don't take that as a given (its possible though).

1] in the absence of PR, things devolve to (high latency) timeouts. The
timeout paths are necessary anyhow as PR might not be delivered, though
obviously high latency is painful.

2] the primary use case for PR is "endpoint lost trust state and can't send
connection close". But you can trivially build something better than public
here (but worse than per connection).. handwave a public 'call me back with
a new connection and your connection ID and we'll form a new connection to
tell you the old one is lost' - at least that's verifiable as coming from
the right origin.

3] the other use case for PR is network signaling. Overloading that with
reset doesn't make a lot of sense to me - the right reaction to a middlebox
that indicates a path is no longer usable might very well be to try and
route around the middlebox - not accept the reset. Overloading
CONNECTION_CLOSE with PUBLIC_RESET means the endpoint can't make that
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&gt; We are not going to eliminate PUBLIC_RESET,<br>
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@mirjak I'm not sure that e.g. a 4-byte PN with a 2-byte echo makes sense: if you actually need four bytes of packet number on a high-delay link, guessing the wrong values for octets 2 and 3 might inject a lot of error. Need to think about this a bit more...


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(1) and (2): If we decide to eliminate PUBLIC_RESET, then that obviously has implications here. I had detected any sentiment for this to date.

(3) I agree that network signaling is the other use case, but in the opposite direction you described. It is a signal from an endpoint to a stateful middlebox that there are no further packets coming on this connection ID.

As for your use case, this is the first I've heard of the response to a PUBLIC_RESET being "I'll try the same connection ID on a different path". That is an entirely different purpose than what has been described to date. In fact, I believe the consensus is to _not_ allow middleboxes to generate authentic resets.

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<p>(1) and (2): If we decide to eliminate PUBLIC_RESET, then that obvious=
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<p>(3) I agree that network signaling is the other use case, but in the o=
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Note that the required size of the packet number echo is related to the peer's in-flight window, not the echoer's in-flight window. When an endpoint sends a packet echo, it should send the echo using the same size as the packet number it's echoing. So, when deciding whether to use 1, 2, or 4-byte packet number/echo, it should use the maximum of the size of the value to echo and the packet number size its inflight window requires.

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<p>Note that the required size of the packet number echo is related to th=
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You're correct Brian, and that's why I tend to think 1 byte packet number echos are a foot gun.

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<p>You're correct Brian, and that's why I tend to think 1 byte packet number echos are a foot gun.</p>

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britram commented on this pull request.



> @@ -470,7 +472,9 @@ this version, it contains:
   * 01: 1-RTT packet (packet number size = 1)
   * 02: 1-RTT packet (packet number size = 2)
   * 03: 1-RTT packet (packet number size = 4)
+  * 07: 1-RTT packet (packet number size = 4, with packet number echo)

Makes sense to me. Doesn't this mean we should undefine one-byte packet numbers everywhere, though? (That seems like a distinct PR)

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<p><b>@britram</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/351#discussion_r103994124">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -470,7 +472,9 @@ this version, it contains:
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   * 02: 1-RTT packet (packet number size = 2)
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+  * 07: 1-RTT packet (packet number size = 4, with packet number echo)
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<p>Makes sense to me. Doesn't this mean we should undefine one-byte packet numbers everywhere, though? (That seems like a distinct PR)</p>

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Assuming that we are moving information from the encrypted side to the clear side and the recipient can use it either way, then this proposal doesn't expand the header overhead (but I may be overlooking a detail I haven't learned about yet, mea culpa if so).

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working on updating the PR right now: I think the correct thing to do here is to require that the packet number echo is of exactly the same size as the packet number field on the packet whose number is being echoed.

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<p>working on updating the PR right now: I think the correct thing to do here is to require that the packet number echo is of exactly the same size as the packet number field on the packet whose number is being echoed.</p>

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Al, that's an idea I considered.  In that formulation, the largest acked would be expressed outside of the encryption layer and the rest of the ack would be encrypted.  This is a bit awkward from a parsing perspective, but it's worth considering.  For better or worse, it makes this truly required.

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A week ago we discussed whether non-endpoints should be able to generate PR. The folks in the conversation were opposed (as am I!) but the conversation was also clear acknowledging that there was not consensus on that point yet.  https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/quic/uUpUZiCKW2Lf_Z_DtC0cEHev9dU

The editor's draft currently explicitly allows middleboxes to generate resets.

In the comment this issue begins with (https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/353#issue-211254850) he says that a PR that could replace CLOSE is not something that could be authenticated.. which I interpret as not-yet-presupposing pull #20 which lets on-path middleboxes do that.

If we did have consensus on pull #20, then this issue would be ok by me. Is that the crux of the issue?

So maybe issue #215 blocks this?


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<p>A week ago we discussed whether non-endpoints should be able to generate=
 PR. The folks in the conversation were opposed (as am I!) but the conversa=
tion was also clear acknowledging that there was not consensus on that poin=
t yet.  <a href=3D"https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/quic/uUpUZiCKW2Lf_=
Z_DtC0cEHev9dU">https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/quic/uUpUZiCKW2Lf_Z_D=
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<p>The editor's draft currently explicitly allows middleboxes to generate r=
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<p>In the comment this issue begins with (<a href=3D"https://github.com/qui=
cwg/base-drafts/issues/353#issue-211254850" class=3D"issue-link js-issue-li=
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at could replace CLOSE is not something that could be authenticated.. which=
 I interpret as not-yet-presupposing pull <a href=3D"https://github.com/qui=
cwg/base-drafts/pull/20" class=3D"issue-link js-issue-link" data-url=3D"htt=
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<p>If we did have consensus on pull <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/ba=
se-drafts/pull/20" class=3D"issue-link js-issue-link" data-url=3D"https://g=
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<p>So maybe issue <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2=
15" class=3D"issue-link js-issue-link" data-url=3D"https://github.com/quicw=
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@britram pushed 1 commit.

1ecfd4f  one and two byte variants as well


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<p><a href="https://github.com/britram" class="user-mention">@britram</a> pushed 1 commit.</p>

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MikeBishop approved this pull request.

Generally looks good.  I agree, this is bugfix-level.

>  
-* Reason Phrase Length: A 16-bit unsigned number specifying the length of the
-  reason phrase.  This may be zero if the sender chooses to not give details
-  beyond the error code.
+Last Client Stream ID:
+
+: The last client-initiated Stream ID which was accepted by the sender of the
+  GOAWAY frame.  All higher-numbered, client-initiated streams (that is, odd
+  numbered streams) are implicitly reset by sending or receiving the GOAWAY

Nit:  "even-numbered" and "odd-numbered" should be hyphenated.

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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>Generally looks good.  I agree, this is bugfix-level.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/354#discussion_r104043146">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
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-* Reason Phrase Length: A 16-bit unsigned number specifying the length of the
-  reason phrase.  This may be zero if the sender chooses to not give details
-  beyond the error code.
+Last Client Stream ID:
+
+: The last client-initiated Stream ID which was accepted by the sender of the
+  GOAWAY frame.  All higher-numbered, client-initiated streams (that is, odd
+  numbered streams) are implicitly reset by sending or receiving the GOAWAY
</pre>
<p>Nit:  "even-numbered" and "odd-numbered" should be hyphenated.</p>

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>  
-* Reason Phrase Length: A 16-bit unsigned number specifying the length of the
-  reason phrase.  This may be zero if the sender chooses to not give details
-  beyond the error code.
+Last Server Stream ID:
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+: The last server-initiated Stream ID which was accepted by the sender of the

Because the sender isn't necessarily the server, and the client isn't "creating" server-initiated streams.  Maybe we could say "the highest ... ID on which the sender has processed or will process data"?  But that doesn't seem more compact, so I'm not sure it's an improvement.

But regardless, that's feedback on #354, not this change in particular.

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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/355#discussion_r104044159">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-* Reason Phrase Length: A 16-bit unsigned number specifying the length of the
-  reason phrase.  This may be zero if the sender chooses to not give details
-  beyond the error code.
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+: The last server-initiated Stream ID which was accepted by the sender of the
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<p>Because the sender isn't necessarily the server, and the client isn't "creating" server-initiated streams.  Maybe we could say "the highest ... ID on which the sender has processed or will process data"?  But that doesn't seem more compact, so I'm not sure it's an improvement.</p>
<p>But regardless, that's feedback on <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/354" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/354" data-id="211277865" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#354</a>, not this change in particular.</p>

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First, we can't necessarily assume that 1-RTT packets will have a server-chosen connection ID.  This is true with TLS, but I think someone mentioned at the interim using a different handshake protocol that relies on a database of pre-shared keys.  (I presume the client's handshake is "We're going to use key 23b4 in table 3c.  Deal." or something of that variety.)  In that situation, 1-RTT packets may be sent before you've had a round-trip completed.  (That was the basis for saying that the cutoff for Version bit would be *both* 1-RTT keys available *and* version negotiation complete, because the order of those is not guaranteed.)

Second, I intuitively agree that load balancers "need" to be able to differentiate.  Let me see if I can unpack that.  There are several types of packets that might arrive, with different treatment by load balancers:

1. Packet whose connection ID says it's bound for a server behind the load balancer.  Great!
2. Packet whose connection ID says it's bound for a server that's no longer behind the load balancer.  Hm.  Oops.  Public Reset?  Route to random server?
3. Packet whose connection ID doesn't decode properly.  Probably client-selected; route to random server.

Understanding whether it's a client-selected Connection ID would help differentiate (3) from random junk.  It might also help differentiate (2) and (3) if the client happens to randomly select a value in the right range.

I'm having trouble being more concrete about the requirement than that, and maybe that means the requirement doesn't actually exist, and it's just a convincing mirage.

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<p>First, we can't necessarily assume that 1-RTT packets will have a server=
-chosen connection ID.  This is true with TLS, but I think someone mentione=
d at the interim using a different handshake protocol that relies on a data=
base of pre-shared keys.  (I presume the client's handshake is "We're going=
 to use key 23b4 in table 3c.  Deal." or something of that variety.)  In th=
at situation, 1-RTT packets may be sent before you've had a round-trip comp=
leted.  (That was the basis for saying that the cutoff for Version bit woul=
d be <em>both</em> 1-RTT keys available <em>and</em> version negotiation co=
mplete, because the order of those is not guaranteed.)</p>
<p>Second, I intuitively agree that load balancers "need" to be able to dif=
ferentiate.  Let me see if I can unpack that.  There are several types of p=
ackets that might arrive, with different treatment by load balancers:</p>
<ol>
<li>Packet whose connection ID says it's bound for a server behind the load=
 balancer.  Great!</li>
<li>Packet whose connection ID says it's bound for a server that's no longe=
r behind the load balancer.  Hm.  Oops.  Public Reset?  Route to random ser=
ver?</li>
<li>Packet whose connection ID doesn't decode properly.  Probably client-se=
lected; route to random server.</li>
</ol>
<p>Understanding whether it's a client-selected Connection ID would help di=
fferentiate (3) from random junk.  It might also help differentiate (2) and=
 (3) if the client happens to randomly select a value in the right range.</=
p>
<p>I'm having trouble being more concrete about the requirement than that, =
and maybe that means the requirement doesn't actually exist, and it's just =
a convincing mirage.</p>

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@mcmanus, I think that we do have consensus on #20, but that's not official.  I have been assuming that we would build something like that - if we kept a Public Reset at all.  Otherwise I don't think that we meet the goal of being resilient against attacks from unauthenticated actors.

I think that part of the problem with Public Reset is that the authenticated version is a connection termination, whereas an unauthenticated (from-the middle) version is fundamentally different.  At best, a middlebox can tell you that the path is dead.  And yes, the right answer is to route around that middlebox.  That would be easier with multipath.

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<p><a href=3D"https://github.com/mcmanus" class=3D"user-mention">@mcmanus</=
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wise I don't think that we meet the goal of being resilient against attacks=
 from unauthenticated actors.</p>
<p>I think that part of the problem with Public Reset is that the authentic=
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  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Changed paths:
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@martinthomson pushed 1 commit.

28b1821  Fix nits


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>  
-* Reason Phrase Length: A 16-bit unsigned number specifying the length of the
-  reason phrase.  This may be zero if the sender chooses to not give details
-  beyond the error code.
+Last Server Stream ID:
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+: The last server-initiated Stream ID which was accepted by the sender of the

I have taken this feedback in and will update #354 with this.  I found something else too.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/355#discussion_r104058335">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
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  Branch: refs/heads/goaway_symmetric
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 5bf0bff25456c655c5264e7c3f6f55d4f0c322e7
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5bf0bff25456c655c5264e7c3f6f55d4f0c322e7
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-03 (Fri, 03 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  I've taken feedback from #355.

I have also added text that captures something we learned late in the HTTP/2
experience.  GOAWAY pre-emptively closes streams, but for peer-initiated
streams it might make sense to use a bigger number to allow any requests that
the peer created in the last round trip to complete.  Some implementations find
retrying quite difficult and allowing (for example) a client's last set of
requests to complete can make the shutdown properly graceful (as opposed to
toy-graceful).

The case where this matters is for a gateway to server, where the gateway can't
reasonably retry the 10,000 requests that it initiated in the last second. To
allow for that, the server can give the gateway a bit of extra leeway for those
streams when it sends a GOAWAY frame.



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@martinthomson pushed 1 commit.

5bf0bff  I've taken feedback from #355.


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<p><a href="https://github.com/martinthomson" class="user-mention">@martinthomson</a> pushed 1 commit.</p>

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>From the commit comment:

I have also added text that captures something we learned late in the HTTP/2 experience.  GOAWAY pre-emptively closes streams, but for peer-initiated streams it might make sense to use a bigger number to allow any requests that the peer created in the last round trip to complete.  Some implementations find retrying quite difficult and allowing (for example) a client's last set of requests to complete can make the shutdown properly graceful (as opposed to toy-graceful).

The case where this matters is for a gateway to server, where the gateway can't reasonably retry the 10,000 requests that it initiated in the last second. To allow for that, the server can give the gateway a bit of extra leeway for those streams when it sends a GOAWAY frame.

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<p>From the commit comment:</p>
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@MikeBishop, it's true that you might be protecting with 1-RTT keys (damn I hate that we have to accommodate models that don't really exist, sorry Jana, but it's really hard to internalize something like this), but you do have to send the long header because you need to confirm that you picked the right version still.  If you can start sending short headers straight away, then you lose version negotiation too (FWIW, if you are agreeing on keys through signaling, why not also agree on version and connection ID).

I like that characterization Mike, a mirage is good.  It seemed "obvious" to me at first too, but I just can't see how it would hurt.  If the load balancer is stateless, then I think that what you have described is fine.  The best I've been able to come up with is that clients can then drive traffic toward a specific backend.  I believe that to be possible as long as you only route on connection ID though; given the size of the space, connection ID + source IP + source port might also have that property (that is, there isn't enough bits left over for a MAC that is strong enough to properly authenticate the connection ID).

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<p>I like that characterization Mike, a mirage is good.  It seemed "obvio=
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This is close to how the load balancer would work (already works), with minor changes.

2. Packet whose connection ID says it's bound for a server that's no longer behind the load balancer.
This is actually unclear. If you mean:
2.A. The server is no longer eligible to serve _new_ connections, that's just like case 1 for existing connections.
2.B. The server suddenly lost its state (went offline, rebooted, app restarted), then the load balancer may not even know this, but it is bad news for existing connections: blackhole, ICMP Host Unreach, or ICMP Port Unreach, or PubReset.

3. Packet whose Connection ID doesn't decode properly.
_I would really like to avoid relying on random Connection ID not decoding_ to identify it as a "client-selected".  FWIW, the load balancer has many servers behind it (possibly O(10^5) servers, for a Global-scale load balancer), so it may have to be very permissive for what qualifies as "decoding".

If the load balancer can tell _with certainty_ that it is looking at a client-selected ID:

1. If this 5-tuple (or ConnectionID, if it is not 0) is present in its local _short-lived_ map, forward to the server identified by that map,

2. Otherwise, choose a server for this connection using whatever policy, store this decision in the local short-lived map, and forward the packet to the chosen server.
That short-lived map would only keep data for O(seconds) and would not be shared within the load balancer pool.

To further ensure robustness, packets with a client-selected ID would first be forwarded within a load balancer pool to a load balancer via a consistent hash (so they all land on the same lb machine). [I am omitting extra care needed when a new lb machine is added to / old lb machine deleted from the pool.]

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<p>This is close to how the load balancer would work (already works), wit=
h minor changes.</p>
<ol start=3D"2">
<li>
<p>Packet whose connection ID says it's bound for a server that's no long=
er behind the load balancer.<br>
This is actually unclear. If you mean:<br>
2.A. The server is no longer eligible to serve <em>new</em> connections, =
that's just like case 1 for existing connections.<br>
2.B. The server suddenly lost its state (went offline, rebooted, app rest=
arted), then the load balancer may not even know this, but it is bad news=
 for existing connections: blackhole, ICMP Host Unreach, or ICMP Port Unr=
each, or PubReset.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Packet whose Connection ID doesn't decode properly.<br>
<em>I would really like to avoid relying on random Connection ID not deco=
ding</em> to identify it as a "client-selected".  FWIW, the load balancer=
 has many servers behind it (possibly O(10^5) servers, for a Global-scale=
 load balancer), so it may have to be very permissive for what qualifies =
as "decoding".</p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>If the load balancer can tell <em>with certainty</em> that it is looki=
ng at a client-selected ID:</p>
<ol>
<li>
<p>If this 5-tuple (or ConnectionID, if it is not 0) is present in its lo=
cal <em>short-lived</em> map, forward to the server identified by that ma=
p,</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Otherwise, choose a server for this connection using whatever policy, =
store this decision in the local short-lived map, and forward the packet =
to the chosen server.<br>
That short-lived map would only keep data for O(seconds) and would not be=
 shared within the load balancer pool.</p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>To further ensure robustness, packets with a client-selected ID would =
first be forwarded within a load balancer pool to a load balancer via a c=
onsistent hash (so they all land on the same lb machine). [I am omitting =
extra care needed when a new lb machine is added to / old lb machine dele=
ted from the pool.]</p>

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A consolidated effort isn't needed for this.

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<p>A consolidated effort isn't needed for this.</p>

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  Add stream offset limit.


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  Correct typographic errors


  Commit: 1047b02f0dec7189e1811993605be609a2d8d187
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  Merge pull request #350 from quicwg/stream-limit

Add stream offset limit of 2^64.


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  Branch: refs/heads/one_packet_hello
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  ClientHello needs to fit in a single packet


  Commit: 38551d302771235961cd54df043f0d392c5ccb68
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  Reword DoS risk text


  Commit: ad5e9130e604ba90c366cbbc74ab4346b4ebc322
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  Rephrase a little based on a second reading and review


  Commit: 6407ce1e0d92ca1d7010fd9fdd8e1b3ac16d8943
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This needs to say how you decode a truncated packet number from the echoed field.  Decoding based on the largest acknowledged packet number that has already been seen is probably right.  

Al is right in observing that you could remove the number from the ACK frame to make the cost of this feature zero bytes, but it's really difficult to swallow the implementation complexity that introduces.  STOP_WAITING with its reliance on public flags is an abomination.  On the other hand, having packet numbers in both directions allows you to have an anchor point for referring to packets that travel in either direction.

You also need to change the guidance around picking a packet number size.  If you are sending an echo, then you need to use the greater of (the number of this packet - highest packet number from those you have sent and received an acknowledgment) and (the echoed packet number you intend to include - the highest acknowledged packet number that was in the most recent packet that contained an ACK) to determine how many octets to devote to the encoding so that you avoid decoding problems.  In other words, I am starting to agree more strongly with Brian that having variable length packet numbers hurts and I want that hurting to stop.

(The CI errors are in @janaiyengar's commit, which was never really intended to be complete.  Jana obviously hasn't bothered installing the commit hook.)

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<p>This needs to say how you decode a truncated packet number from the echo=
ed field.  Decoding based on the largest acknowledged packet number that ha=
s already been seen is probably right.</p>
<p>Al is right in observing that you could remove the number from the ACK f=
rame to make the cost of this feature zero bytes, but it's really difficult=
 to swallow the implementation complexity that introduces.  STOP_WAITING wi=
th its reliance on public flags is an abomination.  On the other hand, havi=
ng packet numbers in both directions allows you to have an anchor point for=
 referring to packets that travel in either direction.</p>
<p>You also need to change the guidance around picking a packet number size=
.  If you are sending an echo, then you need to use the greater of (the num=
ber of this packet - highest packet number from those you have sent and rec=
eived an acknowledgment) and (the echoed packet number you intend to includ=
e - the highest acknowledged packet number that was in the most recent pack=
et that contained an ACK) to determine how many octets to devote to the enc=
oding so that you avoid decoding problems.  In other words, I am starting t=
o agree more strongly with Brian that having variable length packet numbers=
 hurts and I want that hurting to stop.</p>
<p>(The CI errors are in <a href=3D"https://github.com/janaiyengar" class=
=3D"user-mention">@janaiyengar</a>'s commit, which was never really intende=
d to be complete.  Jana obviously hasn't bothered installing the commit hoo=
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  Branch: refs/heads/reformatting
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  Reformat frame descriptions to use definition lists


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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ee6310d414b2828445bebd9a602dfbede34e4eb5
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-03 (Fri, 03 Mar 2017)

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  Log Message:
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  Commit: ce70c0f4236eb9b3a57df3c69aa5f853af28810b
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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-03 (Fri, 03 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Reformat frame descriptions to use definition lists


  Commit: 2358248452e689b6f95af53ebc63f88c1c0722de
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  Use definition list for definitions


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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-03 (Fri, 03 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Neatly align transport parameter table


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There were a few places where bullet lists were used to carry definitions.  This switches to using definition lists.  I also aligned the transport parameter table.
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-- Commit Summary --

  * Reformat frame descriptions to use definition lists
  * Use definition list for definitions
  * Neatly align transport parameter table

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (278)

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<p>There were a few places where bullet lists were used to carry definitions.  This switches to using definition lists.  I also aligned the transport parameter table.</p>

<hr>

<h4>You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:</h4>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/357'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/357</a></p>

<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
<ul>
  <li>Reformat frame descriptions to use definition lists</li>
  <li>Use definition list for definitions</li>
  <li>Neatly align transport parameter table</li>
</ul>

<h4>File Changes</h4>
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  <li>
    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/357/files#diff-0">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>
    (278)
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There is a number of other protocols that have the same issue, including MPTCP, SCTP, MobileIP and the usual solution is what Mirja proposes, a return routability check before sending packets to the new address. Some references where this has been documented include section 5 of RFC6181 for MPTCP, RFC4225 for MIPv6, RFC4218 for Shim6 and RFC5062 for SCTP.
So from the perspective of not making it worse than current protocols, a ping with a random number should be ok. If you add the skipping of packet numbers, then this is stronger. 
Probably, it would be worthwhile referring to BCP84 when describing this issue.

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ences where this has been documented include section 5 of RFC6181 for MPTCP=
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So from the perspective of not making it worse than current protocols, a pi=
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There are a few issues here

1. Amplification attack, where an attacker grows server's cwnd to a large value and then sends a spoofed packet with the victim's IP, causing a large amount of data to be dumped on the victim.
Solution: When a server observes a change in the client's IP address, it records the current cwnd, clamps the cwnd down to MIN_CWND, and sends a PING frame to the new IP. When a packet sent to the new IP address is acked, the cwnd is restored.

2. Optimistic ack attack, where the attacker optimistically acks the PING packet sent by the server to the victim's IP, causing the server to again unleash it's large cwnd on the victim.
Solution: On a change in the client's IP address, the server introduces a randomly sized gap in the packet sequence space. Any new data will now still be sent to the new client IP, but the sequence numbers will be discontiguous from transmissions to the old IP. Any acks for packets in the gap will result in an immediate termination of the connection. A malicious client will now have to either correctly guess the exact size of this gap or read packets going to the victim. 

Alternatively, we can add an optional random number to the PING frame, which when present means that the receiver MUST respond immediately with a PING frame carrying the same random number.

3. There's a slightly tricky issue hidden in here. Say a server observes an address change from IP A to B. What should a server do if it observes another address change while it's in the middle of validating one?
Solution: There are three possible scenarios.
(i) If the new IP is different than A, then restart validation of the newest IP. 
(ii) If the new IP is the same as A and the packet is reordered, then accept the packet and continue with the current validation. 
(iii) If the new IP is  the same as A and the packet is newer than the one that triggered the last validation, then close the connection, since this doesn't look like a NAT rebinding. (This could be a MITM, who changes the IP address of one client -> server packet, hoping that the server reduces its cwnd or latches on to this new IP, causing a DoS of sorts.)


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<p>There are a few issues here</p>
<ol>
<li>
<p>Amplification attack, where an attacker grows server's cwnd to a large v=
alue and then sends a spoofed packet with the victim's IP, causing a large =
amount of data to be dumped on the victim.<br>
Solution: When a server observes a change in the client's IP address, it re=
cords the current cwnd, clamps the cwnd down to MIN_CWND, and sends a PING =
frame to the new IP. When a packet sent to the new IP address is acked, the=
 cwnd is restored.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Optimistic ack attack, where the attacker optimistically acks the PING p=
acket sent by the server to the victim's IP, causing the server to again un=
leash it's large cwnd on the victim.<br>
Solution: On a change in the client's IP address, the server introduces a r=
andomly sized gap in the packet sequence space. Any new data will now still=
 be sent to the new client IP, but the sequence numbers will be discontiguo=
us from transmissions to the old IP. Any acks for packets in the gap will r=
esult in an immediate termination of the connection. A malicious client wil=
l now have to either correctly guess the exact size of this gap or read pac=
kets going to the victim.</p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>Alternatively, we can add an optional random number to the PING frame, w=
hich when present means that the receiver MUST respond immediately with a P=
ING frame carrying the same random number.</p>
<ol start=3D"3">
<li>There's a slightly tricky issue hidden in here. Say a server observes a=
n address change from IP A to B. What should a server do if it observes ano=
ther address change while it's in the middle of validating one?<br>
Solution: There are three possible scenarios.<br>
(i) If the new IP is different than A, then restart validation of the newes=
t IP.<br>
(ii) If the new IP is the same as A and the packet is reordered, then accep=
t the packet and continue with the current validation.<br>
(iii) If the new IP is  the same as A and the packet is newer than the one =
that triggered the last validation, then close the connection, since this d=
oesn't look like a NAT rebinding. (This could be a MITM, who changes the IP=
 address of one client -&gt; server packet, hoping that the server reduces =
its cwnd or latches on to this new IP, causing a DoS of sorts.)</li>
</ol>

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@janaiyengar, on point three, could that just be spontaneous multipath? :p

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<p><a href="https://github.com/janaiyengar" class="user-mention">@janaiyengar</a>, on point three, could that just be spontaneous multipath? :p</p>

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I really support to put a random number in the ping: that's easier and fast than you step 2 above.

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<p>I really support to put a random number in the ping: that's easier and fast than you step 2 above.</p>

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For the multipath case I would assume that you tell the other beforehand which IP you are going to use...

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<p>For the multipath case I would assume that you tell the other beforehand which IP you are going to use...</p>

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I wouldn't make ping include an optional random number, I would add a new explicit return routeability frame (or two).  I also wouldn't necessarily make the value random, just hard to guess (source address token lite).

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Sorry if that's a little bit off topic but at this point I'm actually wondering if GOAWAY is really part of the transport semantics or should be an application layer signal...?

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<p>Sorry if that's a little bit off topic but at this point I'm actually wondering if GOAWAY is really part of the transport semantics or should be an application layer signal...?</p>

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This is actually related to #185 because if you know that it is the first packet, you know it a client-initiated ID.

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<p>This is actually related to <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/185" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/185" data-id="202271417" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#185</a> because if you know that it is the first packet, you know it a client-initiated ID.</p>

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About the multipath case, it is not always the case that you know the new address.
Suppose the client moves to a new location behind the NAT. 

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<p>About the multipath case, it is not always the case that you know the new address.<br>
Suppose the client moves to a new location behind the NAT.</p>

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In this case the old address goes away which I wouldn't call multipath anymore

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<p>In this case the old address goes away which I wouldn't call multipath anymore</p>

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:-)
Agree, let me rephrase. A new interface is up and the endpoint wants to establish a new subflow using the other interface. (e.g. wifi and 4g) and the new interface is behind a NAT. makes sense?

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<p>:-)<br>
Agree, let me rephrase. A new interface is up and the endpoint wants to establish a new subflow using the other interface. (e.g. wifi and 4g) and the new interface is behind a NAT. makes sense?</p>

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ianswett commented on this pull request.



>  
-* Error Code: A 32-bit field error code which indicates the reason for closing
-  this connection.
+Last Client Stream ID:

I might be biased towards Largest, instead of Last

> +exchanged.  An endpoint MUST set the value of the Last Client or Server Stream
+ID to be at least as high as the highest-numbered stream on which it either sent
+data or received and delivered data to the application protocol that uses QUIC.
+
+An endpoint MAY choose a larger stream identifier if it wishes to allow for a
+number of streams to be created.  This is especially valuable for peer-initiated
+streams where packets creating new streams could be in transit; using a larger
+stream number allows those streams to complete.
+
+In addition to initiating a graceful shutdown of a connection, GOAWAY MAY be
+sent immediately prior to sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame that is sent as a
+result of detecting a fatal error.  Higher-numbered streams than those indicated
+in the GOAWAY frame can then be retried.
+
+For peer-initiated streams, an endpoint might indicate a lower value for the
+highest stream number than the value that might be sent by a peer.  After

I don't think sending a GOAWAY in response does anything unless the peer receiving the GOAWAY wants to further decrease one or both of the Last Stream IDs, so typically I wouldn't expect this is necessary.  As such, I'd recommend changing this to MAY and explain it's only if the Last Stream IDs are too large.

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/355#discussion_r104156511">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-* Error Code: A 32-bit field error code which indicates the reason for closing
-  this connection.
+Last Client Stream ID:
</pre>
<p>I might be biased towards Largest, instead of Last</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/355#discussion_r104157555">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +exchanged.  An endpoint MUST set the value of the Last Client or Server Stream
+ID to be at least as high as the highest-numbered stream on which it either sent
+data or received and delivered data to the application protocol that uses QUIC.
+
+An endpoint MAY choose a larger stream identifier if it wishes to allow for a
+number of streams to be created.  This is especially valuable for peer-initiated
+streams where packets creating new streams could be in transit; using a larger
+stream number allows those streams to complete.
+
+In addition to initiating a graceful shutdown of a connection, GOAWAY MAY be
+sent immediately prior to sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame that is sent as a
+result of detecting a fatal error.  Higher-numbered streams than those indicated
+in the GOAWAY frame can then be retried.
+
+For peer-initiated streams, an endpoint might indicate a lower value for the
+highest stream number than the value that might be sent by a peer.  After
</pre>
<p>I don't think sending a GOAWAY in response does anything unless the peer receiving the GOAWAY wants to further decrease one or both of the Last Stream IDs, so typically I wouldn't expect this is necessary.  As such, I'd recommend changing this to MAY and explain it's only if the Last Stream IDs are too large.</p>

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re: guidance on packet number size. ouch. yes, you're right. For me, this indicates that adding packet echo implies constant size (and probably 4-byte) packet numbers in version 1.

(re: CI errors; yep, I saw these, declined to fix them as I plan to merge @janaiyengar's `header` branch again, which will presumably fix them in a way that would conflict with mine...)

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<p>re: guidance on packet number size. ouch. yes, you're right. For me, t=
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@mirjak, I can't actually think of a strong reason why GOAWAY has to be a transport concept.  The ideas I came up with are:

1. It's nice to have the description of graceful shutdown in the transport document.  On the other hand, the pattern is easy to establish and copy.

2. GOAWAY affects stream state.  On higher numbered packets, you shouldn't see any mention of streams higher than the cutoff, and can generate errors accordingly.  But those could be application-layer errors.  

3. GOAWAY also removes the need to reset some streams.  However, any streams that are implicitly reset by GOAWAY don't need to be reset before CONNECTION_CLOSE is sent.  If those streams exist at the time that GOAWAY is sent, then there is no possible way to break the concurrent stream limit, which is the only other relevant transport-layer concern.  There's a potential for local resource management optimizations when you send GOAWAY (discarding flow control windows etc...), but the cases where that applies are few - it only applies if you are cancelling streams that you know to be in progress, and that usually only happens when you are then sending an immediate CONNECTION_CLOSE.

In other words, yeah, we can make this an application-layer concern.

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<p><a href=3D"https://github.com/mirjak" class=3D"user-mention">@mirjak</a>=
, I can't actually think of a strong reason why GOAWAY has to be a transpor=
t concept.  The ideas I came up with are:</p>
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<li>
<p>It's nice to have the description of graceful shutdown in the transport =
document.  On the other hand, the pattern is easy to establish and copy.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>GOAWAY affects stream state.  On higher numbered packets, you shouldn't =
see any mention of streams higher than the cutoff, and can generate errors =
accordingly.  But those could be application-layer errors.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>GOAWAY also removes the need to reset some streams.  However, any stream=
s that are implicitly reset by GOAWAY don't need to be reset before CONNECT=
ION_CLOSE is sent.  If those streams exist at the time that GOAWAY is sent,=
 then there is no possible way to break the concurrent stream limit, which =
is the only other relevant transport-layer concern.  There's a potential fo=
r local resource management optimizations when you send GOAWAY (discarding =
flow control windows etc...), but the cases where that applies are few - it=
 only applies if you are cancelling streams that you know to be in progress=
, and that usually only happens when you are then sending an immediate CONN=
ECTION_CLOSE.</p>
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@MikeBishop, your state machines in those only seem to deal with the sender state.  The receiver state is more complicated because receipt of data on a higher-numbered stream also opens a stream.  The coupled state machine (option 2) also requires that a stream be opened if its pair is opened.

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> +exchanged.  An endpoint MUST set the value of the Last Client or Server Stream
+ID to be at least as high as the highest-numbered stream on which it either sent
+data or received and delivered data to the application protocol that uses QUIC.
+
+An endpoint MAY choose a larger stream identifier if it wishes to allow for a
+number of streams to be created.  This is especially valuable for peer-initiated
+streams where packets creating new streams could be in transit; using a larger
+stream number allows those streams to complete.
+
+In addition to initiating a graceful shutdown of a connection, GOAWAY MAY be
+sent immediately prior to sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame that is sent as a
+result of detecting a fatal error.  Higher-numbered streams than those indicated
+in the GOAWAY frame can then be retried.
+
+For peer-initiated streams, an endpoint might indicate a lower value for the
+highest stream number than the value that might be sent by a peer.  After

I've kept this as a SHOULD but added the requested conditions.  It's important that "safe" retries are enabled as much as possible and failure to echo will create unnecessary uncertainty.  This is a big deal in HTTP.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/355#discussion_r104326703">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +exchanged.  An endpoint MUST set the value of the Last Client or Server Stream
+ID to be at least as high as the highest-numbered stream on which it either sent
+data or received and delivered data to the application protocol that uses QUIC.
+
+An endpoint MAY choose a larger stream identifier if it wishes to allow for a
+number of streams to be created.  This is especially valuable for peer-initiated
+streams where packets creating new streams could be in transit; using a larger
+stream number allows those streams to complete.
+
+In addition to initiating a graceful shutdown of a connection, GOAWAY MAY be
+sent immediately prior to sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame that is sent as a
+result of detecting a fatal error.  Higher-numbered streams than those indicated
+in the GOAWAY frame can then be retried.
+
+For peer-initiated streams, an endpoint might indicate a lower value for the
+highest stream number than the value that might be sent by a peer.  After
</pre>
<p>I've kept this as a SHOULD but added the requested conditions.  It's important that "safe" retries are enabled as much as possible and failure to echo will create unnecessary uncertainty.  This is a big deal in HTTP.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/goaway_for_no_reason
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c8a3a2303d6c99a55b8a677df26f9fc8372427e4
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-06 (Mon, 06 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Remove error code and reason phrase from GOAWAY



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> +exchanged.  An endpoint MUST set the value of the Last Client or Server Stream
+ID to be at least as high as the highest-numbered stream on which it either sent
+data or received and delivered data to the application protocol that uses QUIC.
+
+An endpoint MAY choose a larger stream identifier if it wishes to allow for a
+number of streams to be created.  This is especially valuable for peer-initiated
+streams where packets creating new streams could be in transit; using a larger
+stream number allows those streams to complete.
+
+In addition to initiating a graceful shutdown of a connection, GOAWAY MAY be
+sent immediately prior to sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame that is sent as a
+result of detecting a fatal error.  Higher-numbered streams than those indicated
+in the GOAWAY frame can then be retried.
+
+For peer-initiated streams, an endpoint might indicate a lower value for the
+highest stream number than the value that might be sent by a peer.  After

You have to ack the GOAWAY, so why echo it, that would seem redundant.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/355#discussion_r104326885">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +exchanged.  An endpoint MUST set the value of the Last Client or Server Stream
+ID to be at least as high as the highest-numbered stream on which it either sent
+data or received and delivered data to the application protocol that uses QUIC.
+
+An endpoint MAY choose a larger stream identifier if it wishes to allow for a
+number of streams to be created.  This is especially valuable for peer-initiated
+streams where packets creating new streams could be in transit; using a larger
+stream number allows those streams to complete.
+
+In addition to initiating a graceful shutdown of a connection, GOAWAY MAY be
+sent immediately prior to sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame that is sent as a
+result of detecting a fatal error.  Higher-numbered streams than those indicated
+in the GOAWAY frame can then be retried.
+
+For peer-initiated streams, an endpoint might indicate a lower value for the
+highest stream number than the value that might be sent by a peer.  After
</pre>
<p>You have to ack the GOAWAY, so why echo it, that would seem redundant.</p>

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> +exchanged.  An endpoint MUST set the value of the Last Client or Server Stream
+ID to be at least as high as the highest-numbered stream on which it either sent
+data or received and delivered data to the application protocol that uses QUIC.
+
+An endpoint MAY choose a larger stream identifier if it wishes to allow for a
+number of streams to be created.  This is especially valuable for peer-initiated
+streams where packets creating new streams could be in transit; using a larger
+stream number allows those streams to complete.
+
+In addition to initiating a graceful shutdown of a connection, GOAWAY MAY be
+sent immediately prior to sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame that is sent as a
+result of detecting a fatal error.  Higher-numbered streams than those indicated
+in the GOAWAY frame can then be retried.
+
+For peer-initiated streams, an endpoint might indicate a lower value for the
+highest stream number than the value that might be sent by a peer.  After

Actually, now that I think about it, the only reason why you would reduce the largest stream number is because you didn't use those streams, and if you don't want to use those streams, then you can just *not use them*.  Let's remove this paragraph.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/355#discussion_r104327343">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +exchanged.  An endpoint MUST set the value of the Last Client or Server Stream
+ID to be at least as high as the highest-numbered stream on which it either sent
+data or received and delivered data to the application protocol that uses QUIC.
+
+An endpoint MAY choose a larger stream identifier if it wishes to allow for a
+number of streams to be created.  This is especially valuable for peer-initiated
+streams where packets creating new streams could be in transit; using a larger
+stream number allows those streams to complete.
+
+In addition to initiating a graceful shutdown of a connection, GOAWAY MAY be
+sent immediately prior to sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame that is sent as a
+result of detecting a fatal error.  Higher-numbered streams than those indicated
+in the GOAWAY frame can then be retried.
+
+For peer-initiated streams, an endpoint might indicate a lower value for the
+highest stream number than the value that might be sent by a peer.  After
</pre>
<p>Actually, now that I think about it, the only reason why you would reduce the largest stream number is because you didn't use those streams, and if you don't want to use those streams, then you can just <em>not use them</em>.  Let's remove this paragraph.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/goaway_symmetric
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4faa537  Remove GOAWAY echo


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  Branch: refs/heads/goaway_for_no_reason
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ianswett approved this pull request.

Maybe GOAWAY is going away, but in the meantime, this looks good.



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<p><b>@ianswett</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>Maybe GOAWAY is going away, but in the meantime, this looks good.</p>

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I've been trying to consistently say "a QUIC <frametype>" in the HTTP draft if I refer to a non-HTTP frame.  Is that editorial convention sufficient, or were you actually looking to change terms here?

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@MikeBishop pushed 1 commit.

bff28ed  Remove replay requirement; add YOU_SCREWED_UP error code


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  Branch: refs/heads/dont_reset_me
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bff28ed16b0ce31f256c25f899a80cb44a5634a7
  Author: Mike Bishop <michbish@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-06 (Mon, 06 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

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  Remove replay requirement; add YOU_SCREWED_UP error code



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This covers the non-0-RTT case.  The text on retrying if 0-RTT fails should cover this form of failure as well, though that's a little pathological.  Are we okay to merge?

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<p>This covers the non-0-RTT case.  The text on retrying if 0-RTT fails should cover this form of failure as well, though that's a little pathological.  Are we okay to merge?</p>

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I agree that requirement is horrific.  #274 updates the draft to say you kill the connection if you get painted into this corner.  QPACK has also been updated to remove this requirement.

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<p>I agree that requirement is horrific.  <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/274" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/274" data-id="206346273" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#274</a> updates the draft to say you kill the connection if you get painted into this corner.  QPACK has also been updated to remove this requirement.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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The introduction to RFC 7541 states that using DEFLATE to compress header fields proved "very effective."  The problem with that approach was that it made the protocol vulnerable to [CRIME](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=CRIME) attack.  I wonder whether QUIC would also be vulnerable to CRIME were it to use DEFLATE instead of HPACK.

The advantages of not having to come up with a specialized compression mechanism are many.  The one closest to my heart is that it would not have to be implemented.

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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-patch-2
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  Date:   2017-03-06 (Mon, 06 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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First pass at removing the STOP_WAITING frame.  Intends to resolve #66 .
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/358

-- Commit Summary --

  * Remove STOP_WAITING frame

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (50)

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<p>First pass at removing the STOP_WAITING frame.  Intends to resolve <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/66" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/66" data-id="193001006" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#66</a> .</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Remove STOP_WAITING frame</li>
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<h4>File Changes</h4>
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    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/358/files#diff-0">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>
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Since we've split these up and they're composable, we probably need three registries here.  (Host-local doesn't get a registry, obviously.)

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<p>Since we've split these up and they're composable, we probably need three registries here.  (Host-local doesn't get a registry, obviously.)</p>

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660d171  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md


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Intends to resolve #308 
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  * Clarify the Timestamps section

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (11)

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<p>Intends to resolve <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/308" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/308" data-id="207682941" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#308</a></p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Clarify the Timestamps section</li>
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<h4>File Changes</h4>
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    <strong>M</strong>
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I meant these MAY be used instead of long-header packets, but the sentence clearly wasn't well constructed. Changed.

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Good point -- added.

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  Branch: refs/heads/header
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 0af8cdfef359539ccc1c290bcaf07e70ebd68885
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  Partial commit of new header format


  Commit: 49a7ca59b7146ad74eb719413b00eac74d6e8aa7
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  Everything except connection ID.


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  Connection ID added.


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  Two key phases for long headers


  Commit: 89dea2e21641ca0ea6af33f6940066e48ffe0c98
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  Nits.


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Picking another name "segment", "chunk", "lump", "whatsit", would be superior, but that's a good working solution.

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<p>Picking another name "segment", "chunk", "lump", "whatsit", would be superior, but that's a good working solution.</p>

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HTTP_*CLOSED*_CONTROL_STREAM or QUIC_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM ?

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<p>HTTP_<em>CLOSED</em>_CONTROL_STREAM or QUIC_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM ?</p>

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I also note that control streams are implicitly reset by GOAWAY (CONNECTION_CLOSE too, but that's probably not going to cause any problems).  I conclude that there is a hazard inherent in committing any state to any streams that aren't created immediately after connection establishment.

@Aron-Schats, yes, QUIC would be vulnerable to those sorts of attack if it used DEFLATE.  FWIW, HPACK is also vulnerable to attack, but the researchers who studied it found it was much, much harder to extract any signal from than DEFLATE/GZIP/friends.

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<p>I also note that control streams are implicitly reset by GOAWAY (CONNECT=
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clude that there is a hazard inherent in committing any state to any stream=
s that aren't created immediately after connection establishment.</p>
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Schats</a>, yes, QUIC would be vulnerable to those sorts of attack if it us=
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who studied it found it was much, much harder to extract any signal from th=
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martinthomson commented on this pull request.

I'd like to see more clarification of the "Delta Last Acknowledged 1..N" section.  It's still not clear that this is relative to the last acknowledged.

> @@ -1221,6 +1221,13 @@ Unlike TCP SACKs, QUIC ACK blocks are cumulative and therefore irrevocable.
 Once a packet has been acknowledged, even if it does not appear in a future ACK
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+QUIC ack frames contain a timestamp section with up to 255 timestamps.

ACK frames.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<p>I'd like to see more clarification of the "Delta Last Acknowledged 1..N" section.  It's still not clear that this is relative to the last acknowledged.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/360#discussion_r104556455">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1221,6 +1221,13 @@ Unlike TCP SACKs, QUIC ACK blocks are cumulative and therefore irrevocable.
 Once a packet has been acknowledged, even if it does not appear in a future ACK
 frame, it is assumed to be acknowledged.
 
+QUIC ack frames contain a timestamp section with up to 255 timestamps.
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<p>ACK frames.</p>

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  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Commit: 62a3d7b3a0fcee23cbce560dc9ec495fcedcb59e
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  Everything except connection ID.


  Commit: f1e1cfc77ab0c0c66b6c058a148ca36514f8ecdd
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  Two key phases for long headers


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This PR proposes an alternative header format for QUIC.  It is based on a previous proposal and incorporates feedback received on the list. This PR is unfortunately quite invasive.

Closes:
#35: Starting packet number
#56: Extending flags
#119: Server-proposed connection ID
#133: Connection ID in version negotiation
#135: DoS using Version Negotiation Packets
#147: Reflection Attack Resistance
#185: Reliable identification of the initial packet for a connection
#193: Flags section is kind of confusing
#244: Need a NONCE in version negotiation packets
#293: Does the connection ID need to be in a consistent location
#295: Connection ID on a version negotiation packet

(also addresses some of:
#148: QUIC packet header complexity
#170: Connection ID collisions)
You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361

-- Commit Summary --

  * Partial commit of new header format
  * Everything except connection ID.
  * Connection ID added.
  * Two key phases for long headers
  * Nits.
  * Clarifications.
  * Public reset proof not optional.

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (535)

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<p>This PR proposes an alternative header format for QUIC.  It is based on a previous proposal and incorporates feedback received on the list. This PR is unfortunately quite invasive.</p>
<p>Closes:<br>
<a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/35" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/35" data-id="191925330" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#35</a>: Starting packet number<br>
<a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/56" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/56" data-id="192989770" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#56</a>: Extending flags<br>
<a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/119" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/119" data-id="198672930" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#119</a>: Server-proposed connection ID<br>
<a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/133" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/133" data-id="199728912" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#133</a>: Connection ID in version negotiation<br>
<a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/135" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/135" data-id="199731485" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#135</a>: DoS using Version Negotiation Packets<br>
<a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/147" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/147" data-id="200582869" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#147</a>: Reflection Attack Resistance<br>
<a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/185" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/185" data-id="202271417" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#185</a>: Reliable identification of the initial packet for a connection<br>
<a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/193" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/193" data-id="202444897" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#193</a>: Flags section is kind of confusing<br>
<a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/244" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/244" data-id="203516852" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#244</a>: Need a NONCE in version negotiation packets<br>
<a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/293" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/293" data-id="207064249" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#293</a>: Does the connection ID need to be in a consistent location<br>
<a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/295" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/295" data-id="207095703" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#295</a>: Connection ID on a version negotiation packet</p>
<p>(also addresses some of:<br>
<a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/148" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/148" data-id="200583834" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#148</a>: QUIC packet header complexity<br>
<a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/170" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/170" data-id="201478058" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#170</a>: Connection ID collisions)</p>

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<h4>You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:</h4>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361</a></p>

<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
<ul>
  <li>Partial commit of new header format</li>
  <li>Everything except connection ID.</li>
  <li>Connection ID added.</li>
  <li>Two key phases for long headers</li>
  <li>Nits.</li>
  <li>Clarifications.</li>
  <li>Public reset proof not optional.</li>
</ul>

<h4>File Changes</h4>
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  <li>
    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361/files#diff-0">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>
    (535)
  </li>
</ul>

<h4>Patch Links:</h4>
<ul>
  <li><a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361.patch'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361.patch</a></li>
  <li><a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361.diff'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361.diff</a></li>
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I've tried not to change anything.  I haven't finished, of course.
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  * Fix formatting of long- and short-form headers

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (174)

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<p>I've tried not to change anything.  I haven't finished, of course.</p>

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  <li>Fix formatting of long- and short-form headers</li>
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Neither, since non-abrupt closure is fine.  Of course, if we rename RST, we'll need to rename this as well.

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<p>Neither, since non-abrupt closure is fine.  Of course, if we rename RST, we'll need to rename this as well.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/header
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: c3dedf335c8a280019abbdac8b4240aa63c37796
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c3dedf335c8a280019abbdac8b4240aa63c37796
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Fix formatting of long- and short-form headers


  Commit: d37a977eca0bb8f81b5fbc19f88c2a823a815cc8
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d37a977eca0bb8f81b5fbc19f88c2a823a815cc8
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

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  Log Message:
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  Add version specific fields to short form


  Commit: 87037ab8bcb7615b541f339caa64e23cbb314e8b
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/87037ab8bcb7615b541f339caa64e23cbb314e8b
  Author: janaiyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-06 (Mon, 06 Mar 2017)

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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #362 from quicwg/headerfix

Fix formatting of long- and short-form headers


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/644c2c7dfbfd...87037ab8bcb7
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  Branch: refs/heads/headerfix
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: da2da7487570be64113e4ddeb00d3b4edffbda37
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/da2da7487570be64113e4ddeb00d3b4edffbda37
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

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  Fix long line



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@janaiyengar pushed 3 commits.

c3dedf3  Fix formatting of long- and short-form headers
d37a977  Add version specific fields to short form
87037ab  Merge pull request #362 from quicwg/headerfix


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<p><a href="https://github.com/janaiyengar" class="user-mention">@janaiyengar</a> pushed 3 commits.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/header
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Fix long line


  Commit: f4f84e443d179ab6d2b4c71299659a337090376b
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  Merge branch 'headerfix' into header


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da2da74  Fix long line
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Collates the HTTP/2 migration guidance from various places into a single section, and expands on details about how HTTP/2 extensions can be used/ported.  In the process, I added more IANA stuff, which should address the HTTP portion of #359.

Builds on #274; Closes #242.
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  * Restrict RST to data streams, require replay
  * Remove replay requirement; add YOU_SCREWED_UP error code
  * Merge branch 'dont_reset_me' into http_extensions
  * Move content to HTTP/2 Considerations section, discuss extensions
  * Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into http_extensions
  * Add IANA Error section

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    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (244)

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<p>Collates the HTTP/2 migration guidance from various places into a single section, and expands on details about how HTTP/2 extensions can be used/ported.  In the process, I added more IANA stuff, which should address the HTTP portion of <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/359" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/359" data-id="212251457" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#359</a>.</p>
<p>Builds on <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/274" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/274" data-id="206346273" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#274</a>; Closes <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/242" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/242" data-id="203309349" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#242</a>.</p>

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  <li>Restrict RST to data streams, require replay</li>
  <li>Remove replay requirement; add YOU_SCREWED_UP error code</li>
  <li>Merge branch &#39;dont_reset_me&#39; into http_extensions</li>
  <li>Move content to HTTP/2 Considerations section, discuss extensions</li>
  <li>Merge remote-tracking branch &#39;origin/master&#39; into http_extensions</li>
  <li>Add IANA Error section</li>
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<h4>File Changes</h4>
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  Branch: refs/heads/linecount2
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f550e843b030980c130b22a416ee9b9aeeab45e0
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I need to check this on my mac.
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  * Use grep to count lines, list affected lines and their line numbers
  * Forgot to add the line number hack

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    M Makefile (11)

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<p>I need to check this on my mac.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Use grep to count lines, list affected lines and their line numbers</li>
  <li>Forgot to add the line number hack</li>
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    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/365/files#diff-0">Makefile</a>
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Use grep to count lines, list affected lines and their line numbers


  Commit: f550e843b030980c130b22a416ee9b9aeeab45e0
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  Forgot to add the line number hack


  Commit: 21a0b360ff491681221ee238076a4af6251a5b33
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  Merge pull request #365 from quicwg/linecount2

Count line length differently


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@janaiyengar, this should work for you.  I have also changed this so that it reports exactly which line is too long, including a line number.  That should make it easier to find problems.

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<p><a href="https://github.com/janaiyengar" class="user-mention">@janaiyengar</a>, this should work for you.  I have also changed this so that it reports exactly which line is too long, including a line number.  That should make it easier to find problems.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 20c16d5cd752b432af6ebbf2b33fa0f967642b47
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  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

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  Make trailing whitespace check nicer


  Commit: 9d5f7bbcf7cdac968c1d7fa0ab50556de3238b8f
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9d5f7bbcf7cdac968c1d7fa0ab50556de3238b8f
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1eadc0d  upcase "ack" and remove some trailing whitespace


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@ianswett, in light of #358 and its suggestion to use PING are we still OK to remove permission to occasionally acknowledge an ACK?

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<p><a href="https://github.com/ianswett" class="user-mention">@ianswett</a>, in light of <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/358" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/358" data-id="212251310" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#358</a> and its suggestion to use PING are we still OK to remove permission to occasionally acknowledge an ACK?</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/ackack
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 06d8cf31dc1c323cfa13ec9812beabad5544a3f4
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/06d8cf31dc1c323cfa13ec9812beabad5544a3f4
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
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  Changed paths:
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  Don't ACK the ACK



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Closes #291.

Note that #358 contains advice on using PING to elicit an ACK if the endpoint wants to reduce the range of packet numbers that its acknowledgments cover.  We can rely on that same advice.

@ianswett, I don't know how you want to manage this and #358.  If you want to fold this into #358, that might be best.
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-- Commit Summary --

  * Don't ACK the ACK

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (9)

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<p>Closes <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/291" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/291" data-id="206741901" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#291</a>.</p>
<p>Note that <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/358" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/358" data-id="212251310" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#358</a> contains advice on using PING to elicit an ACK if the endpoint wants to reduce the range of packet numbers that its acknowledgments cover.  We can rely on that same advice.</p>
<p><a href="https://github.com/ianswett" class="user-mention">@ianswett</a>, I don't know how you want to manage this and <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/358" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/358" data-id="212251310" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#358</a>.  If you want to fold this into <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/358" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/358" data-id="212251310" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#358</a>, that might be best.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Don&#39;t ACK the ACK</li>
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    <strong>M</strong>
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Editors clearly can't choose.  Propose to run a straw-poll in Chicago.

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<p>Closed <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/25" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/25" data-id="191635607" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#25</a>.</p>

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The latest version of TLS 1.3 includes a fix for this.  So we should be OK without requiring any change.

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<p>The latest version of TLS 1.3 includes a fix for this.  So we should be OK without requiring any change.</p>

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martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.



> @@ -1209,13 +1208,13 @@ well as which packets are considered missing.  The ACK frame contains between 1
 and 256 ACK blocks.  ACK blocks are ranges of acknowledged packets.
 
 To limit the ACK blocks to the ones that haven't yet been received by the
-sender, the sender periodically sends STOP_WAITING frames that signal the
-receiver to stop acknowledging packets below a specified sequence number,
-raising the Least Unacked packet number at the receiver.  A sender of an ACK
-frame thus reports only those ACK blocks between the received Least Unacked and
-the reported Largest Acknowledged packet numbers.  The endpoint SHOULD raise the
-Least Unacked communicated via future STOP_WAITING frames to the most recently
-received Largest Acknowledged.
+sender, the sender SHOULD track the ack ranges in acks that have been

> the sender SHOULD track which ACK frames have been acknowledged by its peer.  Once an ACK frame has been acknowledged, the packets that it acknowledges do not need to be acknowledged again.

> @@ -1209,13 +1208,13 @@ well as which packets are considered missing.  The ACK frame contains between 1
 and 256 ACK blocks.  ACK blocks are ranges of acknowledged packets.
 
 To limit the ACK blocks to the ones that haven't yet been received by the
-sender, the sender periodically sends STOP_WAITING frames that signal the
-receiver to stop acknowledging packets below a specified sequence number,
-raising the Least Unacked packet number at the receiver.  A sender of an ACK
-frame thus reports only those ACK blocks between the received Least Unacked and
-the reported Largest Acknowledged packet numbers.  The endpoint SHOULD raise the
-Least Unacked communicated via future STOP_WAITING frames to the most recently
-received Largest Acknowledged.
+sender, the sender SHOULD track the ack ranges in acks that have been
+acked and no longer include them in future ACKs.  In order to handle cases
+where the receiver is not sending data, and hence does not expect it's acks to
+be acked, it may bundle a PING frame with an ack approximately once per RTT to
+gain confirmation of it's ACKs being delivered.  The receiver SHOULD track no

"MAY bundle"

I would say at most once per RTT.  Note that PING is a frame type that triggers the "useless frame" accounting in some implementations, so recommending its use is something we should be very cautious with..

> @@ -1209,13 +1208,13 @@ well as which packets are considered missing.  The ACK frame contains between 1
 and 256 ACK blocks.  ACK blocks are ranges of acknowledged packets.
 
 To limit the ACK blocks to the ones that haven't yet been received by the
-sender, the sender periodically sends STOP_WAITING frames that signal the
-receiver to stop acknowledging packets below a specified sequence number,
-raising the Least Unacked packet number at the receiver.  A sender of an ACK
-frame thus reports only those ACK blocks between the received Least Unacked and
-the reported Largest Acknowledged packet numbers.  The endpoint SHOULD raise the
-Least Unacked communicated via future STOP_WAITING frames to the most recently
-received Largest Acknowledged.
+sender, the sender SHOULD track the ack ranges in acks that have been
+acked and no longer include them in future ACKs.  In order to handle cases
+where the receiver is not sending data, and hence does not expect it's acks to
+be acked, it may bundle a PING frame with an ack approximately once per RTT to
+gain confirmation of it's ACKs being delivered.  The receiver SHOULD track no
+more than 255 ack ranges because they are not expressible on the wire, and 
+MAY limit the number of ack ranges to a smaller value.

I'm not sure about this last sentence.  It needs to better motivate its existence.   If what you are saying is that you need to track acknowledgments of acknowledgments and that needs to have limits, then you probably need more meat on that.

I think that this probably wants to be in a more general section on what you need to track on a per-packet basis.  For STREAM, you need to track what span of data was included in a packet.  For ACK, you need to track what span of acknowledgments were included in the packet.  For RST_STREAM, you need to track which stream resets were included in a packet.  I wonder if that isn't something that is best suited for the packetization section.

Note also that what you say isn't strictly correct: you can send more ranges simply by sending more ACK frames.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> requested changes on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/358#discussion_r104555102">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1209,13 +1208,13 @@ well as which packets are considered missing.  The ACK frame contains between 1
 and 256 ACK blocks.  ACK blocks are ranges of acknowledged packets.
 
 To limit the ACK blocks to the ones that haven&#39;t yet been received by the
-sender, the sender periodically sends STOP_WAITING frames that signal the
-receiver to stop acknowledging packets below a specified sequence number,
-raising the Least Unacked packet number at the receiver.  A sender of an ACK
-frame thus reports only those ACK blocks between the received Least Unacked and
-the reported Largest Acknowledged packet numbers.  The endpoint SHOULD raise the
-Least Unacked communicated via future STOP_WAITING frames to the most recently
-received Largest Acknowledged.
+sender, the sender SHOULD track the ack ranges in acks that have been
</pre>
<blockquote>
<p>the sender SHOULD track which ACK frames have been acknowledged by its peer.  Once an ACK frame has been acknowledged, the packets that it acknowledges do not need to be acknowledged again.</p>
</blockquote>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/358#discussion_r104555369">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1209,13 +1208,13 @@ well as which packets are considered missing.  The ACK frame contains between 1
 and 256 ACK blocks.  ACK blocks are ranges of acknowledged packets.
 
 To limit the ACK blocks to the ones that haven&#39;t yet been received by the
-sender, the sender periodically sends STOP_WAITING frames that signal the
-receiver to stop acknowledging packets below a specified sequence number,
-raising the Least Unacked packet number at the receiver.  A sender of an ACK
-frame thus reports only those ACK blocks between the received Least Unacked and
-the reported Largest Acknowledged packet numbers.  The endpoint SHOULD raise the
-Least Unacked communicated via future STOP_WAITING frames to the most recently
-received Largest Acknowledged.
+sender, the sender SHOULD track the ack ranges in acks that have been
+acked and no longer include them in future ACKs.  In order to handle cases
+where the receiver is not sending data, and hence does not expect it&#39;s acks to
+be acked, it may bundle a PING frame with an ack approximately once per RTT to
+gain confirmation of it&#39;s ACKs being delivered.  The receiver SHOULD track no
</pre>
<p>"MAY bundle"</p>
<p>I would say at most once per RTT.  Note that PING is a frame type that triggers the "useless frame" accounting in some implementations, so recommending its use is something we should be very cautious with..</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/358#discussion_r104555816">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1209,13 +1208,13 @@ well as which packets are considered missing.  The ACK frame contains between 1
 and 256 ACK blocks.  ACK blocks are ranges of acknowledged packets.
 
 To limit the ACK blocks to the ones that haven&#39;t yet been received by the
-sender, the sender periodically sends STOP_WAITING frames that signal the
-receiver to stop acknowledging packets below a specified sequence number,
-raising the Least Unacked packet number at the receiver.  A sender of an ACK
-frame thus reports only those ACK blocks between the received Least Unacked and
-the reported Largest Acknowledged packet numbers.  The endpoint SHOULD raise the
-Least Unacked communicated via future STOP_WAITING frames to the most recently
-received Largest Acknowledged.
+sender, the sender SHOULD track the ack ranges in acks that have been
+acked and no longer include them in future ACKs.  In order to handle cases
+where the receiver is not sending data, and hence does not expect it&#39;s acks to
+be acked, it may bundle a PING frame with an ack approximately once per RTT to
+gain confirmation of it&#39;s ACKs being delivered.  The receiver SHOULD track no
+more than 255 ack ranges because they are not expressible on the wire, and 
+MAY limit the number of ack ranges to a smaller value.
</pre>
<p>I'm not sure about this last sentence.  It needs to better motivate its existence.   If what you are saying is that you need to track acknowledgments of acknowledgments and that needs to have limits, then you probably need more meat on that.</p>
<p>I think that this probably wants to be in a more general section on what you need to track on a per-packet basis.  For STREAM, you need to track what span of data was included in a packet.  For ACK, you need to track what span of acknowledgments were included in the packet.  For RST_STREAM, you need to track which stream resets were included in a packet.  I wonder if that isn't something that is best suited for the packetization section.</p>
<p>Note also that what you say isn't strictly correct: you can send more ranges simply by sending more ACK frames.</p>

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This PR replaces #351, (manually) rebased on #361. It adds packet number echo with the echo taking the same size as the number, with correct guidance as to the packet number echo size (thanks @martinthomson).
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-- Commit Summary --

  * Partial commit of new header format
  * Everything except connection ID.
  * Connection ID added.
  * Two key phases for long headers
  * Nits.
  * Clarifications.
  * Public reset proof not optional.
  * Fix formatting of long- and short-form headers
  * Add version specific fields to short form
  * Merge pull request #362 from quicwg/headerfix
  * Nits.
  * reapply packet number echo to full new header branch

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (580)

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<p>This PR replaces <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/351" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/351" data-id="211197045" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#351</a>, (manually) rebased on <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/361" data-id="212297288" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#361</a>. It adds packet number echo with the echo taking the same size as the number, with correct guidance as to the packet number echo size (thanks <a href="https://github.com/martinthomson" class="user-mention">@martinthomson</a>).</p>

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<h4>You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:</h4>
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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Partial commit of new header format</li>
  <li>Everything except connection ID.</li>
  <li>Connection ID added.</li>
  <li>Two key phases for long headers</li>
  <li>Nits.</li>
  <li>Clarifications.</li>
  <li>Public reset proof not optional.</li>
  <li>Fix formatting of long- and short-form headers</li>
  <li>Add version specific fields to short form</li>
  <li>Merge pull request #362 from quicwg/headerfix</li>
  <li>Nits.</li>
  <li>reapply packet number echo to full new header branch</li>
</ul>

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  <li>
    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/367/files#diff-0">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>
    (580)
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This is a version of #367 (replacing #351 manually rebased on #361), that sets packet numbers and packet number echoes in short headers to 32-bits, mainly by cutting complexity out of #367.
You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/368

-- Commit Summary --

  * Partial commit of new header format
  * Everything except connection ID.
  * Connection ID added.
  * Two key phases for long headers
  * Nits.
  * Clarifications.
  * Public reset proof not optional.
  * Fix formatting of long- and short-form headers
  * Add version specific fields to short form
  * Merge pull request #362 from quicwg/headerfix
  * Nits.
  * reapply packet number echo to full new header branch
  * cut all the cruft about packet number size selection

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (591)

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https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/368.diff

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Everything except connection ID.</li>
  <li>Connection ID added.</li>
  <li>Two key phases for long headers</li>
  <li>Nits.</li>
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  <li>Merge pull request #362 from quicwg/headerfix</li>
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  <li>reapply packet number echo to full new header branch</li>
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@britram pushed 1 commit.

ea49db5  reflow for 80col


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@britram pushed 1 commit.

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ianswett approved this pull request.

Let's land this first, because it looks just about landable as is and I assume the STOP_WAITING PR will take a bit longer.

> @@ -1665,12 +1665,9 @@ The details of loss detection and congestion control are described in
 {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
 
 A receiver acknowledges receipt of a received packet by sending one or more ACK
-frames containing the packet number of the received packet.  To avoid perpetual
-acknowledgment between endpoints, a receiver MUST NOT generate an ACK frame in
-response to every packet containing only ACK frames.  However, since it is
-possible that an endpoint might only send packets containing ACK frames (or
-other non-retransmittable frames), the receiving peer MAY send an ACK frame
-after a reasonable number (currently 20) of such packets have been received.
+frames containing the packet number of the received packet.  To avoid creating
+an indefinite feedback loop, an endpoint MUST NOT generate an ACK frame in
+response to a packet containing only ACK and PADDING frames.

nit: ACK and/or PADDING frames? 

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>Let's land this first, because it looks just about landable as is and I assume the STOP_WAITING PR will take a bit longer.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/366#discussion_r104670956">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1665,12 +1665,9 @@ The details of loss detection and congestion control are described in
 {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
 
 A receiver acknowledges receipt of a received packet by sending one or more ACK
-frames containing the packet number of the received packet.  To avoid perpetual
-acknowledgment between endpoints, a receiver MUST NOT generate an ACK frame in
-response to every packet containing only ACK frames.  However, since it is
-possible that an endpoint might only send packets containing ACK frames (or
-other non-retransmittable frames), the receiving peer MAY send an ACK frame
-after a reasonable number (currently 20) of such packets have been received.
+frames containing the packet number of the received packet.  To avoid creating
+an indefinite feedback loop, an endpoint MUST NOT generate an ACK frame in
+response to a packet containing only ACK and PADDING frames.
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<p>nit: ACK and/or PADDING frames?</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-patch-3
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  Changed paths:
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Added a section to further clarify that Delta Last Acknowledged 1..N" is relative to the last acknowledged

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<p>Added a section to further clarify that Delta Last Acknowledged 1..N" is relative to the last acknowledged</p>

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> @@ -1209,13 +1208,13 @@ well as which packets are considered missing.  The ACK frame contains between 1
 and 256 ACK blocks.  ACK blocks are ranges of acknowledged packets.
 
 To limit the ACK blocks to the ones that haven't yet been received by the
-sender, the sender periodically sends STOP_WAITING frames that signal the
-receiver to stop acknowledging packets below a specified sequence number,
-raising the Least Unacked packet number at the receiver.  A sender of an ACK
-frame thus reports only those ACK blocks between the received Least Unacked and
-the reported Largest Acknowledged packet numbers.  The endpoint SHOULD raise the
-Least Unacked communicated via future STOP_WAITING frames to the most recently
-received Largest Acknowledged.
+sender, the sender SHOULD track the ack ranges in acks that have been
+acked and no longer include them in future ACKs.  In order to handle cases
+where the receiver is not sending data, and hence does not expect it's acks to
+be acked, it may bundle a PING frame with an ack approximately once per RTT to
+gain confirmation of it's ACKs being delivered.  The receiver SHOULD track no

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/358#discussion_r104710727">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1209,13 +1208,13 @@ well as which packets are considered missing.  The ACK frame contains between 1
 and 256 ACK blocks.  ACK blocks are ranges of acknowledged packets.
 
 To limit the ACK blocks to the ones that haven&#39;t yet been received by the
-sender, the sender periodically sends STOP_WAITING frames that signal the
-receiver to stop acknowledging packets below a specified sequence number,
-raising the Least Unacked packet number at the receiver.  A sender of an ACK
-frame thus reports only those ACK blocks between the received Least Unacked and
-the reported Largest Acknowledged packet numbers.  The endpoint SHOULD raise the
-Least Unacked communicated via future STOP_WAITING frames to the most recently
-received Largest Acknowledged.
+sender, the sender SHOULD track the ack ranges in acks that have been
+acked and no longer include them in future ACKs.  In order to handle cases
+where the receiver is not sending data, and hence does not expect it&#39;s acks to
+be acked, it may bundle a PING frame with an ack approximately once per RTT to
+gain confirmation of it&#39;s ACKs being delivered.  The receiver SHOULD track no
</pre>
<p>Done.</p>

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1615423  Martin's comments.


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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-patch-2
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  Changed paths:
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ianswett commented on this pull request.



> @@ -1209,13 +1208,13 @@ well as which packets are considered missing.  The ACK frame contains between 1
 and 256 ACK blocks.  ACK blocks are ranges of acknowledged packets.
 
 To limit the ACK blocks to the ones that haven't yet been received by the
-sender, the sender periodically sends STOP_WAITING frames that signal the
-receiver to stop acknowledging packets below a specified sequence number,
-raising the Least Unacked packet number at the receiver.  A sender of an ACK
-frame thus reports only those ACK blocks between the received Least Unacked and
-the reported Largest Acknowledged packet numbers.  The endpoint SHOULD raise the
-Least Unacked communicated via future STOP_WAITING frames to the most recently
-received Largest Acknowledged.
+sender, the sender SHOULD track the ack ranges in acks that have been
+acked and no longer include them in future ACKs.  In order to handle cases
+where the receiver is not sending data, and hence does not expect it's acks to
+be acked, it may bundle a PING frame with an ack approximately once per RTT to
+gain confirmation of it's ACKs being delivered.  The receiver SHOULD track no
+more than 255 ack ranges because they are not expressible on the wire, and 
+MAY limit the number of ack ranges to a smaller value.

Ok, changed the wording substantially.

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/358#discussion_r104714661">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1209,13 +1208,13 @@ well as which packets are considered missing.  The ACK frame contains between 1
 and 256 ACK blocks.  ACK blocks are ranges of acknowledged packets.
 
 To limit the ACK blocks to the ones that haven&#39;t yet been received by the
-sender, the sender periodically sends STOP_WAITING frames that signal the
-receiver to stop acknowledging packets below a specified sequence number,
-raising the Least Unacked packet number at the receiver.  A sender of an ACK
-frame thus reports only those ACK blocks between the received Least Unacked and
-the reported Largest Acknowledged packet numbers.  The endpoint SHOULD raise the
-Least Unacked communicated via future STOP_WAITING frames to the most recently
-received Largest Acknowledged.
+sender, the sender SHOULD track the ack ranges in acks that have been
+acked and no longer include them in future ACKs.  In order to handle cases
+where the receiver is not sending data, and hence does not expect it&#39;s acks to
+be acked, it may bundle a PING frame with an ack approximately once per RTT to
+gain confirmation of it&#39;s ACKs being delivered.  The receiver SHOULD track no
+more than 255 ack ranges because they are not expressible on the wire, and 
+MAY limit the number of ack ranges to a smaller value.
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ianswett commented on this pull request.



> @@ -1209,13 +1208,13 @@ well as which packets are considered missing.  The ACK frame contains between 1
 and 256 ACK blocks.  ACK blocks are ranges of acknowledged packets.
 
 To limit the ACK blocks to the ones that haven't yet been received by the
-sender, the sender periodically sends STOP_WAITING frames that signal the
-receiver to stop acknowledging packets below a specified sequence number,
-raising the Least Unacked packet number at the receiver.  A sender of an ACK
-frame thus reports only those ACK blocks between the received Least Unacked and
-the reported Largest Acknowledged packet numbers.  The endpoint SHOULD raise the
-Least Unacked communicated via future STOP_WAITING frames to the most recently
-received Largest Acknowledged.
+sender, the sender SHOULD track the ack ranges in acks that have been

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/358#discussion_r104715032">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1209,13 +1208,13 @@ well as which packets are considered missing.  The ACK frame contains between 1
 and 256 ACK blocks.  ACK blocks are ranges of acknowledged packets.
 
 To limit the ACK blocks to the ones that haven&#39;t yet been received by the
-sender, the sender periodically sends STOP_WAITING frames that signal the
-receiver to stop acknowledging packets below a specified sequence number,
-raising the Least Unacked packet number at the receiver.  A sender of an ACK
-frame thus reports only those ACK blocks between the received Least Unacked and
-the reported Largest Acknowledged packet numbers.  The endpoint SHOULD raise the
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+sender, the sender SHOULD track the ack ranges in acks that have been
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Sorry for taking a while to get to this. The current state of your PR allows a peer to keep sending data, even if it receives a RST_STREAM. I think the issue I raised is mostly resolved with that. Maybe we could add some more language to the HTTP draft, saying that if a RST (with QUIC_RECEIVED_RST) is received, the server should still continue sending its data, see the last bullet point:

- Client starts posting data to /invalid-url
- Server sends 404 header, REQUEST_RESET, starts sending 404 page
- Client received REQUEST_RESET, stops sending data, sends RST_STREAM (with QUIC_RECEIVED_RST as error code)
- Server receives RST_STREAM (QUIC_RECEIVED_RST), but chooses to continue sending its 404 page completely.

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some more language to the HTTP draft, saying that if a RST (with QUIC_REC=
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, see the last bullet point:</p>
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<li>Client starts posting data to /invalid-url</li>
<li>Server sends 404 header, REQUEST_RESET, starts sending 404 page</li>
<li>Client received REQUEST_RESET, stops sending data, sends RST_STREAM (=
with QUIC_RECEIVED_RST as error code)</li>
<li>Server receives RST_STREAM (QUIC_RECEIVED_RST), but chooses to contin=
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  Branch: refs/heads/request_rst
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: c9d0d8fe5c53e0f7672ab67f8ba47e8ef3e8eb7a
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c9d0d8fe5c53e0f7672ab67f8ba47e8ef3e8eb7a
  Author: Mike Bishop <michbish@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

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  Servers shouldn't freak out either



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@MikeBishop pushed 1 commit.

c9d0d8f  Servers shouldn't freak out either


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There was already a section about clients not discarding responses in that state; I just added a corresponding line about servers not freaking out either.

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I had mostly considered that part of the MALFORMED_* collection (frame size field and actual size differ), but I can add some text to state that explicitly.

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<p>I had mostly considered that part of the MALFORMED_* collection (frame size field and actual size differ), but I can add some text to state that explicitly.</p>

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> @@ -322,175 +322,356 @@ all field sizes are in bits.  When discussing individual bits of fields, the
 least significant bit is referred to as bit 0.  Hexadecimal notation is used for
 describing the value of fields.
 
+QUIC packet headers can be separated into long and short headers. Long headers

I don't think "separated" is the word you want here.  Rather
"Any QUIC packet has either a long or a short header"

> @@ -322,175 +322,356 @@ all field sizes are in bits.  When discussing individual bits of fields, the
 least significant bit is referred to as bit 0.  Hexadecimal notation is used for
 describing the value of fields.
 
+QUIC packet headers can be separated into long and short headers. Long headers
+are expected to be used for the initial phase of the connection and are used for
+version negotiation, connection establishment, 0-RTT, and public reset
+packets. Short headers are minimal version-specific headers, which can be used
+after version negotiation and 1-RTT keys are established, and MUST NOT be used
+earlier.

I would say here that they are distinguished by the leading bit (which it seems they are).

>  
-   * 0x02 = PUBLIC_RESET.  Set to indicate that the packet is a Public Reset
-     packet.
+: The most significant bit (0x80) of the first octet (octet 0) is set to 1 for

"octet 0" is confusing. I would say "the first octet" everywhere.

>  
-     + 11 indicates that 6 bytes of the packet number are present
-     + 10 indicates that 4 bytes of the packet number are present
-     + 01 indicates that 2 bytes of the packet number are present
-     + 00 indicates that 1 byte of the packet number is present
+: Octets 1 through 8 include a connection ID.  {{connection-id}} describes the
+  use of this field in more details.

"in more detail". Also "the connection ID", no?

>  
-   * 0x80 is currently unused, and must be set to 0.
+: Octets 9 to 12 contain a packet number.  {{packet-numbers} describes the use
+  of packet numbers.

"the packet number"

>  
+: Octets 13 to 16 contain the selected protocol version.  This field indicates
+  which version of QUIC is in use and determines how the some protocol fields
+  are interpreted.

"how the some" -> "how the rest of the"? 

Anyway, "how the some" is ungrammatical


>  
-While all QUIC packets have the same common header, there are three types of
-packets: Regular packets, Version Negotiation packets, and Public Reset packets.
-The flowchart below shows how a packet is classified into one of these three
-packet types:
+: Octets from 17 onwards are the payload of the packet.

As I understand it, it's the rest of the UDP datagram, right? You should say that.

>  
+| Type | Name                   | Section                        |
+|:-----|:-----------------------|:-------------------------------|
+| 01   | Version Negotiation    | {{version-negotiation-packet}} |
+| 02   | Public Reset           | {{public-reset-packet}}        |
+| 03   | Client Cleartext       | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
+| 04   | Final Server Cleartext | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
+| 05   | Other Server Cleartext | {{cleartext-packet}}           |

Not: I feel like "other" should have a lower number than "final". Maybe "non-final" would be a better name.

>  
+| Type | Name                   | Section                        |
+|:-----|:-----------------------|:-------------------------------|
+| 01   | Version Negotiation    | {{version-negotiation-packet}} |
+| 02   | Public Reset           | {{public-reset-packet}}        |
+| 03   | Client Cleartext       | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
+| 04   | Final Server Cleartext | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
+| 05   | Other Server Cleartext | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
+| 06   | 0-RTT Encrypted        | {{encrypted-packet}}           |
+| 07   | 1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 0) | {{encrypted-packet}}    |
+| 08   | 1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 1) | {{encrypted-packet}}    |

It's not clear what mechanic you have in mind here. Were you thinking that when you change to key n+1 you would send a long-header on each packet until you got it acked? That seems nasty. 

>  
-### Handling Packets from Different Versions
+The header form, long packet type, connection ID, packet number and version

s/long packet type/packet tpe/

>  
+: The second bit (0x40) of octet 0 indicates whether the connection ID field is
+  present.  If set to 1, then the connection ID field is present; if set to 0,
+  the connection ID field is zero length.

As I think I mentioned earlier, I don't think this is needed. You should just negotiate this and the packet number and then have it be constant.

>  
-Each Regular packet contains additional header fields followed by an encrypted
-payload, as shown below:
+: The third bit (0x20) of octet 0 indicates the key phase, which allows a
+  recipient of a packet to identify the packet protection keys that are used to
+  protect the packet.  See {{QUIC-TLS}} for details.
+
+Short Packet Type:
+
+: The remaining 5 bits of octet 0 include one of 32 packet types.
+  {{short-packet-types}} lists the types that are defined for short packets.

Can't we just use the same types?

> +  can be 1, 2 or 4 octets long depending on the short packet type.
+
+Encrypted Payload:
+
+: Packets with a short header always include a 1-RTT protected payload.
+
+The packet type in a short header currently determines only the size of the
+packet number field.  Additional types can be used to signal the presence of
+other fields.
+
+| Type | Packet Number Size     |
+|:-----|:-----------------------|
+| 01   | 1 octet                |
+| 02   | 2 octets               |
+| 03   | 4 octets               |
+{: #short-packet-types title="Short Header Packet Types"}

Not a huge fan of this. Why do you need to change this on a per-packet basis. Also, why are you burning both a bit on this *and* a type field instead of having one of the types be "no packet #"

>  
-* Packet Number: The lower 8, 16, 32, or 48 bits of the packet number, based on
-  the PACKET_NUMBER_SIZE flag.  Each Regular packet is assigned a packet number
-  by the sender.  The first packet number is randomized (see
-  {{initial-packet-number}}).
+* Octet 0: 0x81 (Flags indicating long header and Version Negotiation packet
+  type)
+* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (echoed)
+* Octets 9-12: Packet Number (echoed)
+* Octets 13-16: Version (echoed)
+* Octets 17+: Payload (version list, containing 0 or more acceptable versions)

Why 0? Don't we just want some other error?

> +A server that generates a version negotiation packet SHOULD include one of the
+reserved version numbers (those following the pattern 0x?a?a?a?a).  This ensures
+that clients are able to correctly handle an unsupported version.
+
+The design of version negotiation permits a server to avoid maintaining state
+for packets that it rejects in this fashion.  However, when the server generates
+a version negotiation packet, it cannot randomly generate a reserved version
+number.  This is because the server is required to include the same value in its
+transport parameters (see {{version-validation}}).  To avoid the selected
+version number changing during connection establishment, the reserved version
+can be generated as a function of values that will be available to the server
+when later generating its handshake packets.
+
+A pseudorandom function that takes client address information (IP and port) and
+the client selected version as input would ensure that there is sufficient
+variability in the values that a server uses.

I would put this in a subsection, b/c it's (a) not required behavior and (b) not really core to the version negotiation mechanics.

> +
+The design of version negotiation permits a server to avoid maintaining state
+for packets that it rejects in this fashion.  However, when the server generates
+a version negotiation packet, it cannot randomly generate a reserved version
+number.  This is because the server is required to include the same value in its
+transport parameters (see {{version-validation}}).  To avoid the selected
+version number changing during connection establishment, the reserved version
+can be generated as a function of values that will be available to the server
+when later generating its handshake packets.
+
+A pseudorandom function that takes client address information (IP and port) and
+the client selected version as input would ensure that there is sufficient
+variability in the values that a server uses.
+
+A client MAY send a packet using a reserved version number.  This can be used to
+solicit a list of supported versions from a server.

This should go somewhere else.

> +* Octets 17+: Public Reset Proof
+
+A Public Reset packet sent by a server indicates that it does not have the
+state necessary to continue with a connection.  In this case, the server will
+include the fields that prove that it originally participated in the connection
+(see {{public-reset-proof}} for details).
+
+Upon receipt of a Public Reset packet that contains a valid proof, a client
+MUST tear down state associated with the connection.  The client MUST then
+cease sending packets on the connection and SHOULD discard any subsequent
+packets that arrive. A Public Reset that does not contain a valid proof MUST be
+ignored.
+
+### Public Reset Proof
+
+Details to be added.

Nit: can you mark this as a TODO so we can find it again.

> +
+### Public Reset Proof
+
+Details to be added.
+
+
+## Cleartext Packets {#cleartext-packet}
+
+Cleartext packets are sent during the handshake prior to key negotiation. A
+Client Cleartext packet contains:
+
+* Octet 0: 0x83 (Flags indicating long header and client Cleartext packet type)
+* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (randomly chosen)
+* Octets 9-12: Packet number (low 4 octets, starts at a random 31-bit value)
+* Octets 13-16: Version
+* Octets 17+: Payload

I feel like cleartext would be better to go first. Lets do the happy path.

> +
+Other Server Cleartext packets contain:
+
+* Octet 0: 0x85 (Flags indicating Long header and appropriate server Cleartext
+  packet type)
+* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (echoed)
+* Octets 9-12: Packet Number (low 4 octets, random 31-bit initial value)
+* Octets 13-16: Version (echoed)
+* Octets 17+: Payload
+
+The client MUST choose a random value and use it as the Connection ID until the
+server replies with a server-selected Connection ID. Server-selected Connection
+IDs are used after a successful handshake, cleanly distinguishing packets that
+use them from packets using client-selected Connection IDs. All packets
+including and following a Server Cleartext End-of-Handshake packet use a
+server-selected Connection ID, as described in {{connection-id}}.

I would consider not interleaving the description of the semantics and the packet format. The packet format tells you which bytes are bytes, so you just need the semantics here.

>  
 
-## Packet Numbers
+## Connection ID {#connection-id}
+
+QUIC connections are identified by their 64-bit Connection ID. All long headers
+contain a Connection ID. Short headers indicate the presence of a Connection ID
+using the CONNECTION_ID flag. When present, the Connection ID is in the same
+location in all packet headers, making it straightforward for middleboxes, such
+as load balancers, to locate and use it.
+
+When a connection is initiated, the client MUST choose a random value and use it
+as the Connection ID in all Cleartext packets and all 0-RTT Encrypted
+packets. The client's Connection ID is a suggestion to the server. The server
+echoes this value in all packets until the handshake is successful (see
+{{QUIC-TLS}}. In its final successful handshake completion packet, the server

"handshake completion packet" does not seem to be a defined term.

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<p><b>@ekr</b> requested changes on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104741065">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -322,175 +322,356 @@ all field sizes are in bits.  When discussing individual bits of fields, the
 least significant bit is referred to as bit 0.  Hexadecimal notation is used for
 describing the value of fields.
 
+QUIC packet headers can be separated into long and short headers. Long headers
</pre>
<p>I don't think "separated" is the word you want here.  Rather<br>
"Any QUIC packet has either a long or a short header"</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104741197">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -322,175 +322,356 @@ all field sizes are in bits.  When discussing individual bits of fields, the
 least significant bit is referred to as bit 0.  Hexadecimal notation is used for
 describing the value of fields.
 
+QUIC packet headers can be separated into long and short headers. Long headers
+are expected to be used for the initial phase of the connection and are used for
+version negotiation, connection establishment, 0-RTT, and public reset
+packets. Short headers are minimal version-specific headers, which can be used
+after version negotiation and 1-RTT keys are established, and MUST NOT be used
+earlier.
</pre>
<p>I would say here that they are distinguished by the leading bit (which it seems they are).</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104741720">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-   * 0x02 = PUBLIC_RESET.  Set to indicate that the packet is a Public Reset
-     packet.
+: The most significant bit (0x80) of the first octet (octet 0) is set to 1 for
</pre>
<p>"octet 0" is confusing. I would say "the first octet" everywhere.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104741803">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-     + 11 indicates that 6 bytes of the packet number are present
-     + 10 indicates that 4 bytes of the packet number are present
-     + 01 indicates that 2 bytes of the packet number are present
-     + 00 indicates that 1 byte of the packet number is present
+: Octets 1 through 8 include a connection ID.  {{connection-id}} describes the
+  use of this field in more details.
</pre>
<p>"in more detail". Also "the connection ID", no?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104741920">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-   * 0x80 is currently unused, and must be set to 0.
+: Octets 9 to 12 contain a packet number.  {{packet-numbers} describes the use
+  of packet numbers.
</pre>
<p>"the packet number"</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104742083">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
+: Octets 13 to 16 contain the selected protocol version.  This field indicates
+  which version of QUIC is in use and determines how the some protocol fields
+  are interpreted.
</pre>
<p>"how the some" -&gt; "how the rest of the"?</p>
<p>Anyway, "how the some" is ungrammatical</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104742184">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-While all QUIC packets have the same common header, there are three types of
-packets: Regular packets, Version Negotiation packets, and Public Reset packets.
-The flowchart below shows how a packet is classified into one of these three
-packet types:
+: Octets from 17 onwards are the payload of the packet.
</pre>
<p>As I understand it, it's the rest of the UDP datagram, right? You should say that.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104742874">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
+| Type | Name                   | Section                        |
+|:-----|:-----------------------|:-------------------------------|
+| 01   | Version Negotiation    | {{version-negotiation-packet}} |
+| 02   | Public Reset           | {{public-reset-packet}}        |
+| 03   | Client Cleartext       | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
+| 04   | Final Server Cleartext | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
+| 05   | Other Server Cleartext | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
</pre>
<p>Not: I feel like "other" should have a lower number than "final". Maybe "non-final" would be a better name.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104745712">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
+| Type | Name                   | Section                        |
+|:-----|:-----------------------|:-------------------------------|
+| 01   | Version Negotiation    | {{version-negotiation-packet}} |
+| 02   | Public Reset           | {{public-reset-packet}}        |
+| 03   | Client Cleartext       | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
+| 04   | Final Server Cleartext | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
+| 05   | Other Server Cleartext | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
+| 06   | 0-RTT Encrypted        | {{encrypted-packet}}           |
+| 07   | 1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 0) | {{encrypted-packet}}    |
+| 08   | 1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 1) | {{encrypted-packet}}    |
</pre>
<p>It's not clear what mechanic you have in mind here. Were you thinking that when you change to key n+1 you would send a long-header on each packet until you got it acked? That seems nasty.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104746332">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-### Handling Packets from Different Versions
+The header form, long packet type, connection ID, packet number and version
</pre>
<p>s/long packet type/packet tpe/</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104747134">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
+: The second bit (0x40) of octet 0 indicates whether the connection ID field is
+  present.  If set to 1, then the connection ID field is present; if set to 0,
+  the connection ID field is zero length.
</pre>
<p>As I think I mentioned earlier, I don't think this is needed. You should just negotiate this and the packet number and then have it be constant.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104747175">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-Each Regular packet contains additional header fields followed by an encrypted
-payload, as shown below:
+: The third bit (0x20) of octet 0 indicates the key phase, which allows a
+  recipient of a packet to identify the packet protection keys that are used to
+  protect the packet.  See {{QUIC-TLS}} for details.
+
+Short Packet Type:
+
+: The remaining 5 bits of octet 0 include one of 32 packet types.
+  {{short-packet-types}} lists the types that are defined for short packets.
</pre>
<p>Can't we just use the same types?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104747481">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +  can be 1, 2 or 4 octets long depending on the short packet type.
+
+Encrypted Payload:
+
+: Packets with a short header always include a 1-RTT protected payload.
+
+The packet type in a short header currently determines only the size of the
+packet number field.  Additional types can be used to signal the presence of
+other fields.
+
+| Type | Packet Number Size     |
+|:-----|:-----------------------|
+| 01   | 1 octet                |
+| 02   | 2 octets               |
+| 03   | 4 octets               |
+{: #short-packet-types title=&quot;Short Header Packet Types&quot;}
</pre>
<p>Not a huge fan of this. Why do you need to change this on a per-packet basis. Also, why are you burning both a bit on this <em>and</em> a type field instead of having one of the types be "no packet #"</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104748657">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-* Packet Number: The lower 8, 16, 32, or 48 bits of the packet number, based on
-  the PACKET_NUMBER_SIZE flag.  Each Regular packet is assigned a packet number
-  by the sender.  The first packet number is randomized (see
-  {{initial-packet-number}}).
+* Octet 0: 0x81 (Flags indicating long header and Version Negotiation packet
+  type)
+* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (echoed)
+* Octets 9-12: Packet Number (echoed)
+* Octets 13-16: Version (echoed)
+* Octets 17+: Payload (version list, containing 0 or more acceptable versions)
</pre>
<p>Why 0? Don't we just want some other error?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104748981">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +A server that generates a version negotiation packet SHOULD include one of the
+reserved version numbers (those following the pattern 0x?a?a?a?a).  This ensures
+that clients are able to correctly handle an unsupported version.
+
+The design of version negotiation permits a server to avoid maintaining state
+for packets that it rejects in this fashion.  However, when the server generates
+a version negotiation packet, it cannot randomly generate a reserved version
+number.  This is because the server is required to include the same value in its
+transport parameters (see {{version-validation}}).  To avoid the selected
+version number changing during connection establishment, the reserved version
+can be generated as a function of values that will be available to the server
+when later generating its handshake packets.
+
+A pseudorandom function that takes client address information (IP and port) and
+the client selected version as input would ensure that there is sufficient
+variability in the values that a server uses.
</pre>
<p>I would put this in a subsection, b/c it's (a) not required behavior and (b) not really core to the version negotiation mechanics.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104749030">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +
+The design of version negotiation permits a server to avoid maintaining state
+for packets that it rejects in this fashion.  However, when the server generates
+a version negotiation packet, it cannot randomly generate a reserved version
+number.  This is because the server is required to include the same value in its
+transport parameters (see {{version-validation}}).  To avoid the selected
+version number changing during connection establishment, the reserved version
+can be generated as a function of values that will be available to the server
+when later generating its handshake packets.
+
+A pseudorandom function that takes client address information (IP and port) and
+the client selected version as input would ensure that there is sufficient
+variability in the values that a server uses.
+
+A client MAY send a packet using a reserved version number.  This can be used to
+solicit a list of supported versions from a server.
</pre>
<p>This should go somewhere else.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104749228">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +* Octets 17+: Public Reset Proof
+
+A Public Reset packet sent by a server indicates that it does not have the
+state necessary to continue with a connection.  In this case, the server will
+include the fields that prove that it originally participated in the connection
+(see {{public-reset-proof}} for details).
+
+Upon receipt of a Public Reset packet that contains a valid proof, a client
+MUST tear down state associated with the connection.  The client MUST then
+cease sending packets on the connection and SHOULD discard any subsequent
+packets that arrive. A Public Reset that does not contain a valid proof MUST be
+ignored.
+
+### Public Reset Proof
+
+Details to be added.
</pre>
<p>Nit: can you mark this as a TODO so we can find it again.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104749778">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +
+### Public Reset Proof
+
+Details to be added.
+
+
+## Cleartext Packets {#cleartext-packet}
+
+Cleartext packets are sent during the handshake prior to key negotiation. A
+Client Cleartext packet contains:
+
+* Octet 0: 0x83 (Flags indicating long header and client Cleartext packet type)
+* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (randomly chosen)
+* Octets 9-12: Packet number (low 4 octets, starts at a random 31-bit value)
+* Octets 13-16: Version
+* Octets 17+: Payload
</pre>
<p>I feel like cleartext would be better to go first. Lets do the happy path.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104750988">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +
+Other Server Cleartext packets contain:
+
+* Octet 0: 0x85 (Flags indicating Long header and appropriate server Cleartext
+  packet type)
+* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (echoed)
+* Octets 9-12: Packet Number (low 4 octets, random 31-bit initial value)
+* Octets 13-16: Version (echoed)
+* Octets 17+: Payload
+
+The client MUST choose a random value and use it as the Connection ID until the
+server replies with a server-selected Connection ID. Server-selected Connection
+IDs are used after a successful handshake, cleanly distinguishing packets that
+use them from packets using client-selected Connection IDs. All packets
+including and following a Server Cleartext End-of-Handshake packet use a
+server-selected Connection ID, as described in {{connection-id}}.
</pre>
<p>I would consider not interleaving the description of the semantics and the packet format. The packet format tells you which bytes are bytes, so you just need the semantics here.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104751167">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
 
-## Packet Numbers
+## Connection ID {#connection-id}
+
+QUIC connections are identified by their 64-bit Connection ID. All long headers
+contain a Connection ID. Short headers indicate the presence of a Connection ID
+using the CONNECTION_ID flag. When present, the Connection ID is in the same
+location in all packet headers, making it straightforward for middleboxes, such
+as load balancers, to locate and use it.
+
+When a connection is initiated, the client MUST choose a random value and use it
+as the Connection ID in all Cleartext packets and all 0-RTT Encrypted
+packets. The client&#39;s Connection ID is a suggestion to the server. The server
+echoes this value in all packets until the handshake is successful (see
+{{QUIC-TLS}}. In its final successful handshake completion packet, the server
</pre>
<p>"handshake completion packet" does not seem to be a defined term.</p>

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3f590d0  Truncated frames.  Fixes #364.


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  Author: Mike Bishop <michbish@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

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ianswett commented on this pull request.

Looking great, thanks for writing this up.

> @@ -322,175 +322,356 @@ all field sizes are in bits.  When discussing individual bits of fields, the
 least significant bit is referred to as bit 0.  Hexadecimal notation is used for
 describing the value of fields.
 
+QUIC packet headers can be separated into long and short headers. Long headers
+are expected to be used for the initial phase of the connection and are used for

nit: "and are used for" => "including"?

>  
-The fields in the Common Header are the following:
+Long headers are used for packets that are sent prior to the completion of
+version negotiation or are not encrypted with 1-RTT keys. Once both conditions

How about: "Long headers MUST be used for packets that are sent prior..."

>  
+: The second bit (0x40) of octet 0 indicates whether the connection ID field is
+  present.  If set to 1, then the connection ID field is present; if set to 0,
+  the connection ID field is zero length.

zero length or omitted?

> +can be generated as a function of values that will be available to the server
+when later generating its handshake packets.
+
+A pseudorandom function that takes client address information (IP and port) and
+the client selected version as input would ensure that there is sufficient
+variability in the values that a server uses.
+
+A client MAY send a packet using a reserved version number.  This can be used to
+solicit a list of supported versions from a server.
+
+See {{version-negotiation}} for a description of the version negotiation
+process.
+
+## Public Reset Packet {#public-reset-packet}
+
+A Public Reset packet is sent by only a server and is used to abruptly terminate

nit: only sent by a server

> +the client selected version as input would ensure that there is sufficient
+variability in the values that a server uses.
+
+A client MAY send a packet using a reserved version number.  This can be used to
+solicit a list of supported versions from a server.
+
+See {{version-negotiation}} for a description of the version negotiation
+process.
+
+## Public Reset Packet {#public-reset-packet}
+
+A Public Reset packet is sent by only a server and is used to abruptly terminate
+communications. Public Reset is provided as an option of last resort for a
+server that does not have access to the state of a connection.  This is intended
+for use by a server that has lost state (for example, through a crash or
+outage). A server that wishes to indicate fatal errors with a connection MUST

nit: "A server that wishes to communicate a fatal connection error MUST use a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame if it has sufficient state to do so."

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<p>Looking great, thanks for writing this up.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104717453">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -322,175 +322,356 @@ all field sizes are in bits.  When discussing individual bits of fields, the
 least significant bit is referred to as bit 0.  Hexadecimal notation is used for
 describing the value of fields.
 
+QUIC packet headers can be separated into long and short headers. Long headers
+are expected to be used for the initial phase of the connection and are used for
</pre>
<p>nit: "and are used for" =&gt; "including"?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104719874">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-The fields in the Common Header are the following:
+Long headers are used for packets that are sent prior to the completion of
+version negotiation or are not encrypted with 1-RTT keys. Once both conditions
</pre>
<p>How about: "Long headers MUST be used for packets that are sent prior..."</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104721268">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
+: The second bit (0x40) of octet 0 indicates whether the connection ID field is
+  present.  If set to 1, then the connection ID field is present; if set to 0,
+  the connection ID field is zero length.
</pre>
<p>zero length or omitted?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104723792">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +can be generated as a function of values that will be available to the server
+when later generating its handshake packets.
+
+A pseudorandom function that takes client address information (IP and port) and
+the client selected version as input would ensure that there is sufficient
+variability in the values that a server uses.
+
+A client MAY send a packet using a reserved version number.  This can be used to
+solicit a list of supported versions from a server.
+
+See {{version-negotiation}} for a description of the version negotiation
+process.
+
+## Public Reset Packet {#public-reset-packet}
+
+A Public Reset packet is sent by only a server and is used to abruptly terminate
</pre>
<p>nit: only sent by a server</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104724448">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +the client selected version as input would ensure that there is sufficient
+variability in the values that a server uses.
+
+A client MAY send a packet using a reserved version number.  This can be used to
+solicit a list of supported versions from a server.
+
+See {{version-negotiation}} for a description of the version negotiation
+process.
+
+## Public Reset Packet {#public-reset-packet}
+
+A Public Reset packet is sent by only a server and is used to abruptly terminate
+communications. Public Reset is provided as an option of last resort for a
+server that does not have access to the state of a connection.  This is intended
+for use by a server that has lost state (for example, through a crash or
+outage). A server that wishes to indicate fatal errors with a connection MUST
</pre>
<p>nit: "A server that wishes to communicate a fatal connection error MUST use a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame if it has sufficient state to do so."</p>

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MikeBishop requested changes on this pull request.

Generally okay with the proposal on technical grounds, but lots of nitpicks on the actual text and diagrams.  Should be easy fixes.

>  
-     + 11 indicates that 6 bytes of the packet number are present
-     + 10 indicates that 4 bytes of the packet number are present
-     + 01 indicates that 2 bytes of the packet number are present
-     + 00 indicates that 1 byte of the packet number is present
+: Octets 1 through 8 include a connection ID.  {{connection-id}} describes the
+  use of this field in more details.

Not necessarily, since we're also saying that the server can change it.  The client includes *a* connection ID before it learns *the* connection ID from the server.  I'm fine with either wording.

>  
+| Type | Name                   | Section                        |
+|:-----|:-----------------------|:-------------------------------|
+| 01   | Version Negotiation    | {{version-negotiation-packet}} |
+| 02   | Public Reset           | {{public-reset-packet}}        |
+| 03   | Client Cleartext       | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
+| 04   | Final Server Cleartext | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
+| 05   | Other Server Cleartext | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
+| 06   | 0-RTT Encrypted        | {{encrypted-packet}}           |
+| 07   | 1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 0) | {{encrypted-packet}}    |
+| 08   | 1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 1) | {{encrypted-packet}}    |

For the scenario where the sender is opting to use long-header packets in 1-RTT, they need to be able to communicate a key phase.  There's a corresponding bit in the short-form.

>  
-### Handling Packets from Different Versions
+The header form, long packet type, connection ID, packet number and version

Whether that's true depends how you read it, so I think this needs to be expanded a little bit.  The *presence and interpretation* of the packet type field will not change between versions.  The set of packet types very well might.

>  
-### Handling Packets from Different Versions
+The header form, long packet type, connection ID, packet number and version
+fields of a long header packet are version independent. The rest of the packet
+is specific to a version. See {{version-specific}} for details on how packets

Since you've already called it the "payload" earlier, pull that in here.  The payload is specific to a version *and* packet type, I think.  Anyone who speaks QUIC can find the version and type fields.  You have to know the version to interpret the type; you have to know the version and type to interpret the payload.

>  
+: The second bit (0x40) of octet 0 indicates whether the connection ID field is
+  present.  If set to 1, then the connection ID field is present; if set to 0,
+  the connection ID field is zero length.

I partially disagree.  There's value in a self-descriptive packet, so that a middlebox (e.g. load-balancer) can know whether to expect the Connection ID field to be present.  However, if you're expecting and accommodating such a middlebox, you'd just always negotiate the field to be on, so there are ways around this.

>  
+| Type | Name                   | Section                        |
+|:-----|:-----------------------|:-------------------------------|
+| 01   | Version Negotiation    | {{version-negotiation-packet}} |
+| 02   | Public Reset           | {{public-reset-packet}}        |
+| 03   | Client Cleartext       | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
+| 04   | Final Server Cleartext | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
+| 05   | Other Server Cleartext | {{cleartext-packet}}           |

Agreed, Non-Final.

>  
 ~~~
  0                   1                   2                   3
  0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-|                          Frame 1 (*)                        ...
+|                    Supported Version 1 (32)                 ...

Per the notation conventions in the document, you've said this is a required, variable-length field.  But it's optional (0 or more) and fixed-length.

>  
-Each Regular packet contains additional header fields followed by an encrypted
-payload, as shown below:
+: The third bit (0x20) of octet 0 indicates the key phase, which allows a
+  recipient of a packet to identify the packet protection keys that are used to
+  protect the packet.  See {{QUIC-TLS}} for details.
+
+Short Packet Type:
+
+: The remaining 5 bits of octet 0 include one of 32 packet types.
+  {{short-packet-types}} lists the types that are defined for short packets.

We could unify the spaces, but there will be types that are only valid for long (public reset, version negotiation), and possibly types that are only valid for short.  If we did unify them, though, we could reclaim the key phase bit and just use the same 1-RTT (KP0) and 1-RTT (KP1) types the long header defines.

>  
-* the location and size of the Flags field,
+```
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|0|C|K|  Type   |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                                                               |
++                   Connection ID (optional)                    +

We have a notation convention for optional fields:  This would be [Connection ID (64)].

> +  can be 1, 2 or 4 octets long depending on the short packet type.
+
+Encrypted Payload:
+
+: Packets with a short header always include a 1-RTT protected payload.
+
+The packet type in a short header currently determines only the size of the
+packet number field.  Additional types can be used to signal the presence of
+other fields.
+
+| Type | Packet Number Size     |
+|:-----|:-----------------------|
+| 01   | 1 octet                |
+| 02   | 2 octets               |
+| 03   | 4 octets               |
+{: #short-packet-types title="Short Header Packet Types"}

What bit are they burning?  This appears to only be indicated by the type byte.

> +
+: Packets with a short header always include a 1-RTT protected payload.
+
+The packet type in a short header currently determines only the size of the
+packet number field.  Additional types can be used to signal the presence of
+other fields.
+
+| Type | Packet Number Size     |
+|:-----|:-----------------------|
+| 01   | 1 octet                |
+| 02   | 2 octets               |
+| 03   | 4 octets               |
+{: #short-packet-types title="Short Header Packet Types"}
+
+The header form, connection ID flag and connection ID of a short header packet
+are version independent.  The remaining fields are specific to the selected QUIC

Hyphenate:  version-independent.

>  
-* Packet Number: The lower 8, 16, 32, or 48 bits of the packet number, based on
-  the PACKET_NUMBER_SIZE flag.  Each Regular packet is assigned a packet number
-  by the sender.  The first packet number is randomized (see
-  {{initial-packet-number}}).
+* Octet 0: 0x81 (Flags indicating long header and Version Negotiation packet
+  type)
+* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (echoed)
+* Octets 9-12: Packet Number (echoed)
+* Octets 13-16: Version (echoed)
+* Octets 17+: Payload (version list, containing 0 or more acceptable versions)

Yeah, it seems a little odd to allow the server to respond "I speak just enough QUIC to say 'I don't speak QUIC.'"

>  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 ~~~
-{: #regular-packet-frames title="Contents of Encrypted Payload"}
+{: #version-negotiation-format title="Version Negotiation Packet"}
+
+A server that generates a version negotiation packet SHOULD include one of the
+reserved version numbers (those following the pattern 0x?a?a?a?a).  This ensures

"helps ensure." Nothing can ensure well-written clients.

>  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 ~~~
-{: #regular-packet-frames title="Contents of Encrypted Payload"}
+{: #version-negotiation-format title="Version Negotiation Packet"}
+
+A server that generates a version negotiation packet SHOULD include one of the
+reserved version numbers (those following the pattern 0x?a?a?a?a).  This ensures
+that clients are able to correctly handle an unsupported version.
+
+The design of version negotiation permits a server to avoid maintaining state
+for packets that it rejects in this fashion.  However, when the server generates
+a version negotiation packet, it cannot randomly generate a reserved version
+number.  This is because the server is required to include the same value in its
+transport parameters (see {{version-validation}}).  To avoid the selected
+version number changing during connection establishment, the reserved version
+can be generated as a function of values that will be available to the server

SHOULD?

> +can be generated as a function of values that will be available to the server
+when later generating its handshake packets.
+
+A pseudorandom function that takes client address information (IP and port) and
+the client selected version as input would ensure that there is sufficient
+variability in the values that a server uses.
+
+A client MAY send a packet using a reserved version number.  This can be used to
+solicit a list of supported versions from a server.
+
+See {{version-negotiation}} for a description of the version negotiation
+process.
+
+## Public Reset Packet {#public-reset-packet}
+
+A Public Reset packet is sent by only a server and is used to abruptly terminate

"only sent by servers"

> +
+Details to be added.
+
+
+## Cleartext Packets {#cleartext-packet}
+
+Cleartext packets are sent during the handshake prior to key negotiation. A
+Client Cleartext packet contains:
+
+* Octet 0: 0x83 (Flags indicating long header and client Cleartext packet type)
+* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (randomly chosen)
+* Octets 9-12: Packet number (low 4 octets, starts at a random 31-bit value)
+* Octets 13-16: Version
+* Octets 17+: Payload
+
+A Server Cleartext End-of-Handshake packet contains:

You called this Final above, not End-of-Handshake.

> +
+Other Server Cleartext packets contain:
+
+* Octet 0: 0x85 (Flags indicating Long header and appropriate server Cleartext
+  packet type)
+* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (echoed)
+* Octets 9-12: Packet Number (low 4 octets, random 31-bit initial value)
+* Octets 13-16: Version (echoed)
+* Octets 17+: Payload
+
+The client MUST choose a random value and use it as the Connection ID until the
+server replies with a server-selected Connection ID. Server-selected Connection
+IDs are used after a successful handshake, cleanly distinguishing packets that
+use them from packets using client-selected Connection IDs. All packets
+including and following a Server Cleartext End-of-Handshake packet use a
+server-selected Connection ID, as described in {{connection-id}}.

+1.  Define the fields, then describe how they're used by reference to those fields, not the underlying bytes.

> +(TODO: Add hash before frames.)
+
+
+## Encrypted Packets {#encrypted-packet}
+
+Packets encrypted with either 0-RTT or 1-RTT keys may be sent with long headers.
+Different packet types explicitly indicate the encryption level for ease of
+decryption. These packets contain:
+* Octet 0: 0x86, 0x87 or 0x88 (Flags indicating long header and an encrypted
+  packet type)
+* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (client or server-selected, see {{connection-id}})
+* Octets 9-12: Packet Number (low 4 octets)
+* Octets 13-16: Version
+* Octets 17+: Encrypted Payload
+
+A flags octet of 0x86 indicates a 0-RTT packet. Key phases are used by the QUIC

You're pivoting away from 0-RTT without lead-in.  I'd suggest "...indicates a 0-RTT packet.  After the 1-RTT keys are established, key phases...."

>  
 
-## Packet Numbers
+## Connection ID {#connection-id}
+
+QUIC connections are identified by their 64-bit Connection ID. All long headers
+contain a Connection ID. Short headers indicate the presence of a Connection ID
+using the CONNECTION_ID flag. When present, the Connection ID is in the same
+location in all packet headers, making it straightforward for middleboxes, such
+as load balancers, to locate and use it.
+
+When a connection is initiated, the client MUST choose a random value and use it
+as the Connection ID in all Cleartext packets and all 0-RTT Encrypted
+packets. The client's Connection ID is a suggestion to the server. The server
+echoes this value in all packets until the handshake is successful (see
+{{QUIC-TLS}}. In its final successful handshake completion packet, the server

And are there multiple successful handshake completion packets?  Let's reference the specific packet type.

>  
 
-## Packet Numbers
+## Connection ID {#connection-id}
+
+QUIC connections are identified by their 64-bit Connection ID. All long headers
+contain a Connection ID. Short headers indicate the presence of a Connection ID
+using the CONNECTION_ID flag. When present, the Connection ID is in the same
+location in all packet headers, making it straightforward for middleboxes, such
+as load balancers, to locate and use it.
+
+When a connection is initiated, the client MUST choose a random value and use it
+as the Connection ID in all Cleartext packets and all 0-RTT Encrypted
+packets. The client's Connection ID is a suggestion to the server. The server
+echoes this value in all packets until the handshake is successful (see
+{{QUIC-TLS}}. In its final successful handshake completion packet, the server
+MUST use a server-selected Connection ID. All subsequent packets from the server

Wait, if the Connection ID is a suggestion to the server, but the server MUST use a server-selected ID, what's the point of the suggestion?

Perhaps that packet type MUST contain the final Connection ID, which MAY be the one proposed by the client, or MAY be a new server-selected value?

> @@ -541,12 +721,54 @@ packet number.  Once any packet has been acknowledged, subsequent packets can
 use a shorter packet number encoding.
 
 
-## Frames and Frame Types {#frames}
+## Handling Packets from Different Versions {#version-specific}
+
+Between different versions the following things are guaranteed to remain
+constant:
+
+* the location and size of the Flags field in both header forms,

You didn't originally call that field Flags in this version, though I see it has cropped up other places through the document.

> @@ -541,12 +721,54 @@ packet number.  Once any packet has been acknowledged, subsequent packets can
 use a shorter packet number encoding.
 
 
-## Frames and Frame Types {#frames}
+## Handling Packets from Different Versions {#version-specific}
+
+Between different versions the following things are guaranteed to remain
+constant:
+
+* the location and size of the Flags field in both header forms,
+
+* the location of the HEADER_FORM bit in the Flags field in both header forms,
+
+* the location of the CONNECTION_ID bit in the Flags field in short headers,
+
+* the location and size of the Connection ID field in both header forms,
+
+* the location and value of the Version field in long headers, and

The value of the Version field can't change between versions?  That's really going to screw with version negotiation logic....  :-)  I suspect this should be location and meaning.

> +## Handling Packets from Different Versions {#version-specific}
+
+Between different versions the following things are guaranteed to remain
+constant:
+
+* the location and size of the Flags field in both header forms,
+
+* the location of the HEADER_FORM bit in the Flags field in both header forms,
+
+* the location of the CONNECTION_ID bit in the Flags field in short headers,
+
+* the location and size of the Connection ID field in both header forms,
+
+* the location and value of the Version field in long headers, and
+
+* the location and value of the Packet Number field in long headers.

Likewise.

> +constant:
+
+* the location and size of the Flags field in both header forms,
+
+* the location of the HEADER_FORM bit in the Flags field in both header forms,
+
+* the location of the CONNECTION_ID bit in the Flags field in short headers,
+
+* the location and size of the Connection ID field in both header forms,
+
+* the location and value of the Version field in long headers, and
+
+* the location and value of the Packet Number field in long headers.
+
+Implementations MUST assume that an unsupported version uses an unknown packet
+format. All other values MUST be ignored when processing a packet that contains

Other fields, not just other values.

> +* the location of the CONNECTION_ID bit in the Flags field in short headers,
+
+* the location and size of the Connection ID field in both header forms,
+
+* the location and value of the Version field in long headers, and
+
+* the location and value of the Packet Number field in long headers.
+
+Implementations MUST assume that an unsupported version uses an unknown packet
+format. All other values MUST be ignored when processing a packet that contains
+an unsupported version.
+
+
+# Frames and Frame Types {#frames}
+
+The payload of cleartext packets and the plaintext after decryption of encrypted

After decryption of the payload -- you're not decrypting the entire packet.

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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> requested changes on this pull request.</p>

<p>Generally okay with the proposal on technical grounds, but lots of nitpicks on the actual text and diagrams.  Should be easy fixes.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104756473">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-     + 11 indicates that 6 bytes of the packet number are present
-     + 10 indicates that 4 bytes of the packet number are present
-     + 01 indicates that 2 bytes of the packet number are present
-     + 00 indicates that 1 byte of the packet number is present
+: Octets 1 through 8 include a connection ID.  {{connection-id}} describes the
+  use of this field in more details.
</pre>
<p>Not necessarily, since we're also saying that the server can change it.  The client includes <em>a</em> connection ID before it learns <em>the</em> connection ID from the server.  I'm fine with either wording.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104757408">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
+| Type | Name                   | Section                        |
+|:-----|:-----------------------|:-------------------------------|
+| 01   | Version Negotiation    | {{version-negotiation-packet}} |
+| 02   | Public Reset           | {{public-reset-packet}}        |
+| 03   | Client Cleartext       | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
+| 04   | Final Server Cleartext | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
+| 05   | Other Server Cleartext | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
+| 06   | 0-RTT Encrypted        | {{encrypted-packet}}           |
+| 07   | 1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 0) | {{encrypted-packet}}    |
+| 08   | 1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 1) | {{encrypted-packet}}    |
</pre>
<p>For the scenario where the sender is opting to use long-header packets in 1-RTT, they need to be able to communicate a key phase.  There's a corresponding bit in the short-form.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104757820">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-### Handling Packets from Different Versions
+The header form, long packet type, connection ID, packet number and version
</pre>
<p>Whether that's true depends how you read it, so I think this needs to be expanded a little bit.  The <em>presence and interpretation</em> of the packet type field will not change between versions.  The set of packet types very well might.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104758079">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-### Handling Packets from Different Versions
+The header form, long packet type, connection ID, packet number and version
+fields of a long header packet are version independent. The rest of the packet
+is specific to a version. See {{version-specific}} for details on how packets
</pre>
<p>Since you've already called it the "payload" earlier, pull that in here.  The payload is specific to a version <em>and</em> packet type, I think.  Anyone who speaks QUIC can find the version and type fields.  You have to know the version to interpret the type; you have to know the version and type to interpret the payload.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104759219">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
+: The second bit (0x40) of octet 0 indicates whether the connection ID field is
+  present.  If set to 1, then the connection ID field is present; if set to 0,
+  the connection ID field is zero length.
</pre>
<p>I partially disagree.  There's value in a self-descriptive packet, so that a middlebox (e.g. load-balancer) can know whether to expect the Connection ID field to be present.  However, if you're expecting and accommodating such a middlebox, you'd just always negotiate the field to be on, so there are ways around this.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104759378">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
+| Type | Name                   | Section                        |
+|:-----|:-----------------------|:-------------------------------|
+| 01   | Version Negotiation    | {{version-negotiation-packet}} |
+| 02   | Public Reset           | {{public-reset-packet}}        |
+| 03   | Client Cleartext       | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
+| 04   | Final Server Cleartext | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
+| 05   | Other Server Cleartext | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
</pre>
<p>Agreed, Non-Final.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104764144">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
 ~~~
  0                   1                   2                   3
  0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-|                          Frame 1 (*)                        ...
+|                    Supported Version 1 (32)                 ...
</pre>
<p>Per the notation conventions in the document, you've said this is a required, variable-length field.  But it's optional (0 or more) and fixed-length.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104764394">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-Each Regular packet contains additional header fields followed by an encrypted
-payload, as shown below:
+: The third bit (0x20) of octet 0 indicates the key phase, which allows a
+  recipient of a packet to identify the packet protection keys that are used to
+  protect the packet.  See {{QUIC-TLS}} for details.
+
+Short Packet Type:
+
+: The remaining 5 bits of octet 0 include one of 32 packet types.
+  {{short-packet-types}} lists the types that are defined for short packets.
</pre>
<p>We could unify the spaces, but there will be types that are only valid for long (public reset, version negotiation), and possibly types that are only valid for short.  If we did unify them, though, we could reclaim the key phase bit and just use the same 1-RTT (KP0) and 1-RTT (KP1) types the long header defines.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104765084">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-* the location and size of the Flags field,
+```
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|0|C|K|  Type   |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                                                               |
++                   Connection ID (optional)                    +
</pre>
<p>We have a notation convention for optional fields:  This would be [Connection ID (64)].</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104765291">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +  can be 1, 2 or 4 octets long depending on the short packet type.
+
+Encrypted Payload:
+
+: Packets with a short header always include a 1-RTT protected payload.
+
+The packet type in a short header currently determines only the size of the
+packet number field.  Additional types can be used to signal the presence of
+other fields.
+
+| Type | Packet Number Size     |
+|:-----|:-----------------------|
+| 01   | 1 octet                |
+| 02   | 2 octets               |
+| 03   | 4 octets               |
+{: #short-packet-types title=&quot;Short Header Packet Types&quot;}
</pre>
<p>What bit are they burning?  This appears to only be indicated by the type byte.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104765555">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +
+: Packets with a short header always include a 1-RTT protected payload.
+
+The packet type in a short header currently determines only the size of the
+packet number field.  Additional types can be used to signal the presence of
+other fields.
+
+| Type | Packet Number Size     |
+|:-----|:-----------------------|
+| 01   | 1 octet                |
+| 02   | 2 octets               |
+| 03   | 4 octets               |
+{: #short-packet-types title=&quot;Short Header Packet Types&quot;}
+
+The header form, connection ID flag and connection ID of a short header packet
+are version independent.  The remaining fields are specific to the selected QUIC
</pre>
<p>Hyphenate:  version-independent.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104765835">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-* Packet Number: The lower 8, 16, 32, or 48 bits of the packet number, based on
-  the PACKET_NUMBER_SIZE flag.  Each Regular packet is assigned a packet number
-  by the sender.  The first packet number is randomized (see
-  {{initial-packet-number}}).
+* Octet 0: 0x81 (Flags indicating long header and Version Negotiation packet
+  type)
+* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (echoed)
+* Octets 9-12: Packet Number (echoed)
+* Octets 13-16: Version (echoed)
+* Octets 17+: Payload (version list, containing 0 or more acceptable versions)
</pre>
<p>Yeah, it seems a little odd to allow the server to respond "I speak just enough QUIC to say 'I don't speak QUIC.'"</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104766015">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 ~~~
-{: #regular-packet-frames title=&quot;Contents of Encrypted Payload&quot;}
+{: #version-negotiation-format title=&quot;Version Negotiation Packet&quot;}
+
+A server that generates a version negotiation packet SHOULD include one of the
+reserved version numbers (those following the pattern 0x?a?a?a?a).  This ensures
</pre>
<p>"helps ensure." Nothing can ensure well-written clients.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104766248">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 ~~~
-{: #regular-packet-frames title=&quot;Contents of Encrypted Payload&quot;}
+{: #version-negotiation-format title=&quot;Version Negotiation Packet&quot;}
+
+A server that generates a version negotiation packet SHOULD include one of the
+reserved version numbers (those following the pattern 0x?a?a?a?a).  This ensures
+that clients are able to correctly handle an unsupported version.
+
+The design of version negotiation permits a server to avoid maintaining state
+for packets that it rejects in this fashion.  However, when the server generates
+a version negotiation packet, it cannot randomly generate a reserved version
+number.  This is because the server is required to include the same value in its
+transport parameters (see {{version-validation}}).  To avoid the selected
+version number changing during connection establishment, the reserved version
+can be generated as a function of values that will be available to the server
</pre>
<p>SHOULD?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104766463">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +can be generated as a function of values that will be available to the server
+when later generating its handshake packets.
+
+A pseudorandom function that takes client address information (IP and port) and
+the client selected version as input would ensure that there is sufficient
+variability in the values that a server uses.
+
+A client MAY send a packet using a reserved version number.  This can be used to
+solicit a list of supported versions from a server.
+
+See {{version-negotiation}} for a description of the version negotiation
+process.
+
+## Public Reset Packet {#public-reset-packet}
+
+A Public Reset packet is sent by only a server and is used to abruptly terminate
</pre>
<p>"only sent by servers"</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104766868">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +
+Details to be added.
+
+
+## Cleartext Packets {#cleartext-packet}
+
+Cleartext packets are sent during the handshake prior to key negotiation. A
+Client Cleartext packet contains:
+
+* Octet 0: 0x83 (Flags indicating long header and client Cleartext packet type)
+* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (randomly chosen)
+* Octets 9-12: Packet number (low 4 octets, starts at a random 31-bit value)
+* Octets 13-16: Version
+* Octets 17+: Payload
+
+A Server Cleartext End-of-Handshake packet contains:
</pre>
<p>You called this Final above, not End-of-Handshake.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104767055">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +
+Other Server Cleartext packets contain:
+
+* Octet 0: 0x85 (Flags indicating Long header and appropriate server Cleartext
+  packet type)
+* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (echoed)
+* Octets 9-12: Packet Number (low 4 octets, random 31-bit initial value)
+* Octets 13-16: Version (echoed)
+* Octets 17+: Payload
+
+The client MUST choose a random value and use it as the Connection ID until the
+server replies with a server-selected Connection ID. Server-selected Connection
+IDs are used after a successful handshake, cleanly distinguishing packets that
+use them from packets using client-selected Connection IDs. All packets
+including and following a Server Cleartext End-of-Handshake packet use a
+server-selected Connection ID, as described in {{connection-id}}.
</pre>
<p>+1.  Define the fields, then describe how they're used by reference to those fields, not the underlying bytes.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104767491">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +(TODO: Add hash before frames.)
+
+
+## Encrypted Packets {#encrypted-packet}
+
+Packets encrypted with either 0-RTT or 1-RTT keys may be sent with long headers.
+Different packet types explicitly indicate the encryption level for ease of
+decryption. These packets contain:
+* Octet 0: 0x86, 0x87 or 0x88 (Flags indicating long header and an encrypted
+  packet type)
+* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (client or server-selected, see {{connection-id}})
+* Octets 9-12: Packet Number (low 4 octets)
+* Octets 13-16: Version
+* Octets 17+: Encrypted Payload
+
+A flags octet of 0x86 indicates a 0-RTT packet. Key phases are used by the QUIC
</pre>
<p>You're pivoting away from 0-RTT without lead-in.  I'd suggest "...indicates a 0-RTT packet.  After the 1-RTT keys are established, key phases...."</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104767983">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
 
-## Packet Numbers
+## Connection ID {#connection-id}
+
+QUIC connections are identified by their 64-bit Connection ID. All long headers
+contain a Connection ID. Short headers indicate the presence of a Connection ID
+using the CONNECTION_ID flag. When present, the Connection ID is in the same
+location in all packet headers, making it straightforward for middleboxes, such
+as load balancers, to locate and use it.
+
+When a connection is initiated, the client MUST choose a random value and use it
+as the Connection ID in all Cleartext packets and all 0-RTT Encrypted
+packets. The client&#39;s Connection ID is a suggestion to the server. The server
+echoes this value in all packets until the handshake is successful (see
+{{QUIC-TLS}}. In its final successful handshake completion packet, the server
</pre>
<p>And are there multiple successful handshake completion packets?  Let's reference the specific packet type.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104768326">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
 
-## Packet Numbers
+## Connection ID {#connection-id}
+
+QUIC connections are identified by their 64-bit Connection ID. All long headers
+contain a Connection ID. Short headers indicate the presence of a Connection ID
+using the CONNECTION_ID flag. When present, the Connection ID is in the same
+location in all packet headers, making it straightforward for middleboxes, such
+as load balancers, to locate and use it.
+
+When a connection is initiated, the client MUST choose a random value and use it
+as the Connection ID in all Cleartext packets and all 0-RTT Encrypted
+packets. The client&#39;s Connection ID is a suggestion to the server. The server
+echoes this value in all packets until the handshake is successful (see
+{{QUIC-TLS}}. In its final successful handshake completion packet, the server
+MUST use a server-selected Connection ID. All subsequent packets from the server
</pre>
<p>Wait, if the Connection ID is a suggestion to the server, but the server MUST use a server-selected ID, what's the point of the suggestion?</p>
<p>Perhaps that packet type MUST contain the final Connection ID, which MAY be the one proposed by the client, or MAY be a new server-selected value?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104768917">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -541,12 +721,54 @@ packet number.  Once any packet has been acknowledged, subsequent packets can
 use a shorter packet number encoding.
 
 
-## Frames and Frame Types {#frames}
+## Handling Packets from Different Versions {#version-specific}
+
+Between different versions the following things are guaranteed to remain
+constant:
+
+* the location and size of the Flags field in both header forms,
</pre>
<p>You didn't originally call that field Flags in this version, though I see it has cropped up other places through the document.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104769180">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -541,12 +721,54 @@ packet number.  Once any packet has been acknowledged, subsequent packets can
 use a shorter packet number encoding.
 
 
-## Frames and Frame Types {#frames}
+## Handling Packets from Different Versions {#version-specific}
+
+Between different versions the following things are guaranteed to remain
+constant:
+
+* the location and size of the Flags field in both header forms,
+
+* the location of the HEADER_FORM bit in the Flags field in both header forms,
+
+* the location of the CONNECTION_ID bit in the Flags field in short headers,
+
+* the location and size of the Connection ID field in both header forms,
+
+* the location and value of the Version field in long headers, and
</pre>
<p>The value of the Version field can't change between versions?  That's really going to screw with version negotiation logic....  :-)  I suspect this should be location and meaning.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104769232">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +## Handling Packets from Different Versions {#version-specific}
+
+Between different versions the following things are guaranteed to remain
+constant:
+
+* the location and size of the Flags field in both header forms,
+
+* the location of the HEADER_FORM bit in the Flags field in both header forms,
+
+* the location of the CONNECTION_ID bit in the Flags field in short headers,
+
+* the location and size of the Connection ID field in both header forms,
+
+* the location and value of the Version field in long headers, and
+
+* the location and value of the Packet Number field in long headers.
</pre>
<p>Likewise.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104769311">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +constant:
+
+* the location and size of the Flags field in both header forms,
+
+* the location of the HEADER_FORM bit in the Flags field in both header forms,
+
+* the location of the CONNECTION_ID bit in the Flags field in short headers,
+
+* the location and size of the Connection ID field in both header forms,
+
+* the location and value of the Version field in long headers, and
+
+* the location and value of the Packet Number field in long headers.
+
+Implementations MUST assume that an unsupported version uses an unknown packet
+format. All other values MUST be ignored when processing a packet that contains
</pre>
<p>Other fields, not just other values.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104769525">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +* the location of the CONNECTION_ID bit in the Flags field in short headers,
+
+* the location and size of the Connection ID field in both header forms,
+
+* the location and value of the Version field in long headers, and
+
+* the location and value of the Packet Number field in long headers.
+
+Implementations MUST assume that an unsupported version uses an unknown packet
+format. All other values MUST be ignored when processing a packet that contains
+an unsupported version.
+
+
+# Frames and Frame Types {#frames}
+
+The payload of cleartext packets and the plaintext after decryption of encrypted
</pre>
<p>After decryption of the payload -- you're not decrypting the entire packet.</p>

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ekr commented on this pull request.



>  
+| Type | Name                   | Section                        |
+|:-----|:-----------------------|:-------------------------------|
+| 01   | Version Negotiation    | {{version-negotiation-packet}} |
+| 02   | Public Reset           | {{public-reset-packet}}        |
+| 03   | Client Cleartext       | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
+| 04   | Final Server Cleartext | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
+| 05   | Other Server Cleartext | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
+| 06   | 0-RTT Encrypted        | {{encrypted-packet}}           |
+| 07   | 1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 0) | {{encrypted-packet}}    |
+| 08   | 1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 1) | {{encrypted-packet}}    |

Oh, I see that I missed this in the short header. nm.

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<p><b>@ekr</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104779377">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
+| Type | Name                   | Section                        |
+|:-----|:-----------------------|:-------------------------------|
+| 01   | Version Negotiation    | {{version-negotiation-packet}} |
+| 02   | Public Reset           | {{public-reset-packet}}        |
+| 03   | Client Cleartext       | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
+| 04   | Final Server Cleartext | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
+| 05   | Other Server Cleartext | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
+| 06   | 0-RTT Encrypted        | {{encrypted-packet}}           |
+| 07   | 1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 0) | {{encrypted-packet}}    |
+| 08   | 1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 1) | {{encrypted-packet}}    |
</pre>
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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-patch-4
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: daaae83d9c64c951306e3a06f061894c8e92818c
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/daaae83d9c64c951306e3a06f061894c8e92818c
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

  Log Message:
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  Make loss detection make more sense



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It isn't complete now, but does make more sense hopefully.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/369

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  * Make loss detection make more sense

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (43)

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<p>It isn't complete now, but does make more sense hopefully.</p>

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<h4>You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:</h4>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/369'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/369</a></p>

<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Make loss detection make more sense</li>
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    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/369/files#diff-0">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>
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janaiyengar commented on this pull request.



> @@ -1352,6 +1358,10 @@ receive times relative to the beginning of the connection.
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 {: #timestamp-format title="Timestamp Section"}
 
+The timestamp section is time-ordered, so the 1 byte Delta Largest
+Acknowledged is always relative to the Largest Acknowleged, but the Time
+Since Previous Timestamp fields are relative.

I would suggest moving this to below the descriptions of the fields. Suggested rewording: "The timestamp section lists packet receipt timestamps ordered by timestamp." I think you can drop the rest of this paragraph since it's redundant with text in the descriptions.

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<p><b>@janaiyengar</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/360#discussion_r104787931">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1352,6 +1358,10 @@ receive times relative to the beginning of the connection.
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 {: #timestamp-format title=&quot;Timestamp Section&quot;}
 
+The timestamp section is time-ordered, so the 1 byte Delta Largest
+Acknowledged is always relative to the Largest Acknowleged, but the Time
+Since Previous Timestamp fields are relative.
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<p>I would suggest moving this to below the descriptions of the fields. Suggested rewording: "The timestamp section lists packet receipt timestamps ordered by timestamp." I think you can drop the rest of this paragraph since it's redundant with text in the descriptions.</p>

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janaiyengar commented on this pull request.



> @@ -1208,14 +1207,16 @@ Receivers send ACK frames to inform senders which packets they have received, as
 well as which packets are considered missing.  The ACK frame contains between 1
 and 256 ACK blocks.  ACK blocks are ranges of acknowledged packets.
 
-To limit the ACK blocks to the ones that haven't yet been received by the
-sender, the sender periodically sends STOP_WAITING frames that signal the
-receiver to stop acknowledging packets below a specified sequence number,
-raising the Least Unacked packet number at the receiver.  A sender of an ACK
-frame thus reports only those ACK blocks between the received Least Unacked and
-the reported Largest Acknowledged packet numbers.  The endpoint SHOULD raise the
-Least Unacked communicated via future STOP_WAITING frames to the most recently
-received Largest Acknowledged.
+To limit ACK blocks to those that haven't yet been received by the sender,

haven't --> have not

> @@ -1208,14 +1207,16 @@ Receivers send ACK frames to inform senders which packets they have received, as
 well as which packets are considered missing.  The ACK frame contains between 1
 and 256 ACK blocks.  ACK blocks are ranges of acknowledged packets.
 
-To limit the ACK blocks to the ones that haven't yet been received by the
-sender, the sender periodically sends STOP_WAITING frames that signal the
-receiver to stop acknowledging packets below a specified sequence number,
-raising the Least Unacked packet number at the receiver.  A sender of an ACK
-frame thus reports only those ACK blocks between the received Least Unacked and
-the reported Largest Acknowledged packet numbers.  The endpoint SHOULD raise the
-Least Unacked communicated via future STOP_WAITING frames to the most recently
-received Largest Acknowledged.
+To limit ACK blocks to those that haven't yet been received by the sender,
+the receiver SHOULD track which ACK frames have been acknowledged by its peer.
+Once an ACK frame has been acknowledged, the packets it acknowledges SHOULD not
+be acknowledged again.  In order to handle cases where the receiver is not

"In order to" --> "To"

> @@ -1208,14 +1207,16 @@ Receivers send ACK frames to inform senders which packets they have received, as
 well as which packets are considered missing.  The ACK frame contains between 1
 and 256 ACK blocks.  ACK blocks are ranges of acknowledged packets.
 
-To limit the ACK blocks to the ones that haven't yet been received by the
-sender, the sender periodically sends STOP_WAITING frames that signal the
-receiver to stop acknowledging packets below a specified sequence number,
-raising the Least Unacked packet number at the receiver.  A sender of an ACK
-frame thus reports only those ACK blocks between the received Least Unacked and
-the reported Largest Acknowledged packet numbers.  The endpoint SHOULD raise the
-Least Unacked communicated via future STOP_WAITING frames to the most recently
-received Largest Acknowledged.
+To limit ACK blocks to those that haven't yet been received by the sender,
+the receiver SHOULD track which ACK frames have been acknowledged by its peer.
+Once an ACK frame has been acknowledged, the packets it acknowledges SHOULD not
+be acknowledged again.  In order to handle cases where the receiver is not
+sending retransmittable data, and hence does not expect to receive acks, it
+MAY bundle a PING frame with an ack at most once per RTT to gain confirmation

"with an ack" --> "with an ACK frame"

> @@ -1208,14 +1207,16 @@ Receivers send ACK frames to inform senders which packets they have received, as
 well as which packets are considered missing.  The ACK frame contains between 1
 and 256 ACK blocks.  ACK blocks are ranges of acknowledged packets.
 
-To limit the ACK blocks to the ones that haven't yet been received by the
-sender, the sender periodically sends STOP_WAITING frames that signal the
-receiver to stop acknowledging packets below a specified sequence number,
-raising the Least Unacked packet number at the receiver.  A sender of an ACK
-frame thus reports only those ACK blocks between the received Least Unacked and
-the reported Largest Acknowledged packet numbers.  The endpoint SHOULD raise the
-Least Unacked communicated via future STOP_WAITING frames to the most recently
-received Largest Acknowledged.
+To limit ACK blocks to those that haven't yet been received by the sender,
+the receiver SHOULD track which ACK frames have been acknowledged by its peer.
+Once an ACK frame has been acknowledged, the packets it acknowledges SHOULD not
+be acknowledged again.  In order to handle cases where the receiver is not
+sending retransmittable data, and hence does not expect to receive acks, it
+MAY bundle a PING frame with an ack at most once per RTT to gain confirmation
+of ACKs being delivered.  In order to limit receiver state or the size of ACK

"In order to" --> "To"

> @@ -1208,14 +1207,16 @@ Receivers send ACK frames to inform senders which packets they have received, as
 well as which packets are considered missing.  The ACK frame contains between 1
 and 256 ACK blocks.  ACK blocks are ranges of acknowledged packets.
 
-To limit the ACK blocks to the ones that haven't yet been received by the
-sender, the sender periodically sends STOP_WAITING frames that signal the
-receiver to stop acknowledging packets below a specified sequence number,
-raising the Least Unacked packet number at the receiver.  A sender of an ACK
-frame thus reports only those ACK blocks between the received Least Unacked and
-the reported Largest Acknowledged packet numbers.  The endpoint SHOULD raise the
-Least Unacked communicated via future STOP_WAITING frames to the most recently
-received Largest Acknowledged.
+To limit ACK blocks to those that haven't yet been received by the sender,
+the receiver SHOULD track which ACK frames have been acknowledged by its peer.
+Once an ACK frame has been acknowledged, the packets it acknowledges SHOULD not
+be acknowledged again.  In order to handle cases where the receiver is not
+sending retransmittable data, and hence does not expect to receive acks, it
+MAY bundle a PING frame with an ack at most once per RTT to gain confirmation
+of ACKs being delivered.  In order to limit receiver state or the size of ACK

"of ACKs being delivered" --> "of ACK frames being delivered"

> -receiver to stop acknowledging packets below a specified sequence number,
-raising the Least Unacked packet number at the receiver.  A sender of an ACK
-frame thus reports only those ACK blocks between the received Least Unacked and
-the reported Largest Acknowledged packet numbers.  The endpoint SHOULD raise the
-Least Unacked communicated via future STOP_WAITING frames to the most recently
-received Largest Acknowledged.
+To limit ACK blocks to those that haven't yet been received by the sender,
+the receiver SHOULD track which ACK frames have been acknowledged by its peer.
+Once an ACK frame has been acknowledged, the packets it acknowledges SHOULD not
+be acknowledged again.  In order to handle cases where the receiver is not
+sending retransmittable data, and hence does not expect to receive acks, it
+MAY bundle a PING frame with an ack at most once per RTT to gain confirmation
+of ACKs being delivered.  In order to limit receiver state or the size of ACK
+frames, a receiver MAY limit the number of ack ranges and stop acknowledging
+packets without getting an ACK acked, with the knowledge this may slightly
+increase spurious retransmits.

I would suggest using "ACK frames" for the noun and "acknowledge" for the verb in general. Suggestion on this particular sentence: see if you can break it up into two sentences. It's a bit of a run-on.

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<p><b>@janaiyengar</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/358#discussion_r104788691">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1208,14 +1207,16 @@ Receivers send ACK frames to inform senders which packets they have received, as
 well as which packets are considered missing.  The ACK frame contains between 1
 and 256 ACK blocks.  ACK blocks are ranges of acknowledged packets.
 
-To limit the ACK blocks to the ones that haven&#39;t yet been received by the
-sender, the sender periodically sends STOP_WAITING frames that signal the
-receiver to stop acknowledging packets below a specified sequence number,
-raising the Least Unacked packet number at the receiver.  A sender of an ACK
-frame thus reports only those ACK blocks between the received Least Unacked and
-the reported Largest Acknowledged packet numbers.  The endpoint SHOULD raise the
-Least Unacked communicated via future STOP_WAITING frames to the most recently
-received Largest Acknowledged.
+To limit ACK blocks to those that haven&#39;t yet been received by the sender,
</pre>
<p>haven't --&gt; have not</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/358#discussion_r104789194">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1208,14 +1207,16 @@ Receivers send ACK frames to inform senders which packets they have received, as
 well as which packets are considered missing.  The ACK frame contains between 1
 and 256 ACK blocks.  ACK blocks are ranges of acknowledged packets.
 
-To limit the ACK blocks to the ones that haven&#39;t yet been received by the
-sender, the sender periodically sends STOP_WAITING frames that signal the
-receiver to stop acknowledging packets below a specified sequence number,
-raising the Least Unacked packet number at the receiver.  A sender of an ACK
-frame thus reports only those ACK blocks between the received Least Unacked and
-the reported Largest Acknowledged packet numbers.  The endpoint SHOULD raise the
-Least Unacked communicated via future STOP_WAITING frames to the most recently
-received Largest Acknowledged.
+To limit ACK blocks to those that haven&#39;t yet been received by the sender,
+the receiver SHOULD track which ACK frames have been acknowledged by its peer.
+Once an ACK frame has been acknowledged, the packets it acknowledges SHOULD not
+be acknowledged again.  In order to handle cases where the receiver is not
</pre>
<p>"In order to" --&gt; "To"</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/358#discussion_r104789326">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1208,14 +1207,16 @@ Receivers send ACK frames to inform senders which packets they have received, as
 well as which packets are considered missing.  The ACK frame contains between 1
 and 256 ACK blocks.  ACK blocks are ranges of acknowledged packets.
 
-To limit the ACK blocks to the ones that haven&#39;t yet been received by the
-sender, the sender periodically sends STOP_WAITING frames that signal the
-receiver to stop acknowledging packets below a specified sequence number,
-raising the Least Unacked packet number at the receiver.  A sender of an ACK
-frame thus reports only those ACK blocks between the received Least Unacked and
-the reported Largest Acknowledged packet numbers.  The endpoint SHOULD raise the
-Least Unacked communicated via future STOP_WAITING frames to the most recently
-received Largest Acknowledged.
+To limit ACK blocks to those that haven&#39;t yet been received by the sender,
+the receiver SHOULD track which ACK frames have been acknowledged by its peer.
+Once an ACK frame has been acknowledged, the packets it acknowledges SHOULD not
+be acknowledged again.  In order to handle cases where the receiver is not
+sending retransmittable data, and hence does not expect to receive acks, it
+MAY bundle a PING frame with an ack at most once per RTT to gain confirmation
</pre>
<p>"with an ack" --&gt; "with an ACK frame"</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/358#discussion_r104789480">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1208,14 +1207,16 @@ Receivers send ACK frames to inform senders which packets they have received, as
 well as which packets are considered missing.  The ACK frame contains between 1
 and 256 ACK blocks.  ACK blocks are ranges of acknowledged packets.
 
-To limit the ACK blocks to the ones that haven&#39;t yet been received by the
-sender, the sender periodically sends STOP_WAITING frames that signal the
-receiver to stop acknowledging packets below a specified sequence number,
-raising the Least Unacked packet number at the receiver.  A sender of an ACK
-frame thus reports only those ACK blocks between the received Least Unacked and
-the reported Largest Acknowledged packet numbers.  The endpoint SHOULD raise the
-Least Unacked communicated via future STOP_WAITING frames to the most recently
-received Largest Acknowledged.
+To limit ACK blocks to those that haven&#39;t yet been received by the sender,
+the receiver SHOULD track which ACK frames have been acknowledged by its peer.
+Once an ACK frame has been acknowledged, the packets it acknowledges SHOULD not
+be acknowledged again.  In order to handle cases where the receiver is not
+sending retransmittable data, and hence does not expect to receive acks, it
+MAY bundle a PING frame with an ack at most once per RTT to gain confirmation
+of ACKs being delivered.  In order to limit receiver state or the size of ACK
</pre>
<p>"In order to" --&gt; "To"</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/358#discussion_r104789957">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1208,14 +1207,16 @@ Receivers send ACK frames to inform senders which packets they have received, as
 well as which packets are considered missing.  The ACK frame contains between 1
 and 256 ACK blocks.  ACK blocks are ranges of acknowledged packets.
 
-To limit the ACK blocks to the ones that haven&#39;t yet been received by the
-sender, the sender periodically sends STOP_WAITING frames that signal the
-receiver to stop acknowledging packets below a specified sequence number,
-raising the Least Unacked packet number at the receiver.  A sender of an ACK
-frame thus reports only those ACK blocks between the received Least Unacked and
-the reported Largest Acknowledged packet numbers.  The endpoint SHOULD raise the
-Least Unacked communicated via future STOP_WAITING frames to the most recently
-received Largest Acknowledged.
+To limit ACK blocks to those that haven&#39;t yet been received by the sender,
+the receiver SHOULD track which ACK frames have been acknowledged by its peer.
+Once an ACK frame has been acknowledged, the packets it acknowledges SHOULD not
+be acknowledged again.  In order to handle cases where the receiver is not
+sending retransmittable data, and hence does not expect to receive acks, it
+MAY bundle a PING frame with an ack at most once per RTT to gain confirmation
+of ACKs being delivered.  In order to limit receiver state or the size of ACK
</pre>
<p>"of ACKs being delivered" --&gt; "of ACK frames being delivered"</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/358#discussion_r104790761">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -receiver to stop acknowledging packets below a specified sequence number,
-raising the Least Unacked packet number at the receiver.  A sender of an ACK
-frame thus reports only those ACK blocks between the received Least Unacked and
-the reported Largest Acknowledged packet numbers.  The endpoint SHOULD raise the
-Least Unacked communicated via future STOP_WAITING frames to the most recently
-received Largest Acknowledged.
+To limit ACK blocks to those that haven&#39;t yet been received by the sender,
+the receiver SHOULD track which ACK frames have been acknowledged by its peer.
+Once an ACK frame has been acknowledged, the packets it acknowledges SHOULD not
+be acknowledged again.  In order to handle cases where the receiver is not
+sending retransmittable data, and hence does not expect to receive acks, it
+MAY bundle a PING frame with an ack at most once per RTT to gain confirmation
+of ACKs being delivered.  In order to limit receiver state or the size of ACK
+frames, a receiver MAY limit the number of ack ranges and stop acknowledging
+packets without getting an ACK acked, with the knowledge this may slightly
+increase spurious retransmits.
</pre>
<p>I would suggest using "ACK frames" for the noun and "acknowledge" for the verb in general. Suggestion on this particular sentence: see if you can break it up into two sentences. It's a bit of a run-on.</p>

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@ianswett pushed 1 commit.

f68e9f4  Minor update.


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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-patch-4
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ed1613e  Fix a long line.


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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: daaae83d9c64c951306e3a06f061894c8e92818c
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  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

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  Make loss detection make more sense


  Commit: f68e9f475d5d221fa1090dbe9e63a737e3f4ba69
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f68e9f475d5d221fa1090dbe9e63a737e3f4ba69
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  Minor update.


  Commit: ed1613e136cc974f6cba2d4fc0219b0ef031bf21
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  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

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  Fix a long line.


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  Fix a long line


  Commit: be28bd34ef88282b688cab3ea84a9b2d584fc487
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  Merge pull request #369 from quicwg/ianswett-patch-4

Make loss detection make more sense


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  Branch: refs/heads/ackack
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 9704ac7bba64b247377a11331e408c7db1e77f8b
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9704ac7bba64b247377a11331e408c7db1e77f8b
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Reformat frame descriptions to use definition lists


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  Use definition list for definitions


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  Neatly align transport parameter table


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  Merge pull request #357 from quicwg/reformatting

Use definition lists more


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  Don't ACK the ACK


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  ACK or PADDING


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  Merge pull request #366 from quicwg/ackack

Don't ACK the ACK


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I'm waiting on Carsten for this one, so it will take some time.

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<p>I'm waiting on Carsten for this one, so it will take some time.</p>

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janaiyengar commented on this pull request.



> @@ -322,175 +322,356 @@ all field sizes are in bits.  When discussing individual bits of fields, the
 least significant bit is referred to as bit 0.  Hexadecimal notation is used for
 describing the value of fields.
 
+QUIC packet headers can be separated into long and short headers. Long headers

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<p><b>@janaiyengar</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104834134">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -322,175 +322,356 @@ all field sizes are in bits.  When discussing individual bits of fields, the
 least significant bit is referred to as bit 0.  Hexadecimal notation is used for
 describing the value of fields.
 
+QUIC packet headers can be separated into long and short headers. Long headers
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f2df307  Reword ACK acking text, integrate Jana's comments


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  Commit: a6b17b0b83edfd3c412a22bc0027d0a00bf999d2
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I have updated this based on Jana's comments, and rebased.  I'll merge this as discussed.  @ianswett, feel free to post comments here and I'll fix them directly.

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<p>I have updated this based on Jana's comments, and rebased.  I'll merge this as discussed.  <a href="https://github.com/ianswett" class="user-mention">@ianswett</a>, feel free to post comments here and I'll fix them directly.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Remove STOP_WAITING frame


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  Martin's comments.


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  Reword ACK acking text, integrate Jana's comments


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  Merge pull request #358 from quicwg/ianswett-patch-2

Remove STOP_WAITING frame


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  Branch: refs/heads/ack_protection
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  Adding section on packet protection rules


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  Restructure section to better address some of the concerns and add some explanation


  Commit: 5bb4d4893871bfdb2bd21910ec124d7259955706
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  Ian's suggestions.


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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 9931646e686648b4b987a7e3aa6dcd3ae4ef6d1d
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  ClientHello needs to fit in a single packet


  Commit: 38551d302771235961cd54df043f0d392c5ccb68
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  Reword DoS risk text


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  Rephrase a little based on a second reading and review


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  Merge pull request #338 from quicwg/one_packet_hello

ClientHello needs to fit in a single packet


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  Branch: refs/heads/goaway_symmetric
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

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  GOAWAY needs a maximum stream number in both directions

I have also taken the liberty of making the text that matches this
more directly applicable.


  Commit: 72dcfe09cf8adb8a1367d30b683f1a4746fa05ae
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  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

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  Log Message:
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  Advice on use of GOAWAY during error handling


  Commit: 1ac4b8c77329405174c7961106fee903d8583a7b
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  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

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  Log Message:
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  Fix nits


  Commit: 13a14f8577ebc51ac69a48195f2e364f15090958
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  I've taken feedback from #355.

I have also added text that captures something we learned late in the HTTP/2
experience.  GOAWAY pre-emptively closes streams, but for peer-initiated
streams it might make sense to use a bigger number to allow any requests that
the peer created in the last round trip to complete.  Some implementations find
retrying quite difficult and allowing (for example) a client's last set of
requests to complete can make the shutdown properly graceful (as opposed to
toy-graceful).

The case where this matters is for a gateway to server, where the gateway can't
reasonably retry the 10,000 requests that it initiated in the last second. To
allow for that, the server can give the gateway a bit of extra leeway for those
streams when it sends a GOAWAY frame.


  Commit: ee7b808e0a2d803b052173b14877fa6f0719e011
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  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

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  Log Message:
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  s/Last/Largest/ and improve conditions on a triggered GOAWAY


  Commit: 2c716f80a9b12fff4495c7ad8f92a554500df722
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2c716f80a9b12fff4495c7ad8f92a554500df722
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  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Remove GOAWAY echo


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/4faa537e4d3f...2c716f80a9b1
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  Branch: refs/heads/goaway_for_no_reason
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>  
+The packet type in a short header currently determines only the size of the
+packet number field.  Additional types can be used to signal the presence of

This first sentence no longer applies.  Probably just want to say:

> The packet type is used to determine the fields that are present in a short header and their length.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/368#discussion_r104851776">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
+The packet type in a short header currently determines only the size of the
+packet number field.  Additional types can be used to signal the presence of
</pre>
<p>This first sentence no longer applies.  Probably just want to say:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>The packet type is used to determine the fields that are present in a short header and their length.</p>
</blockquote>

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martinthomson approved this pull request.

This is a pretty big and important change.  Overall, I think that the direction is good.  Like others, I think that there are plenty of opportunities for this to be improved, but that should not stop us from making forward progress.

> @@ -322,175 +322,356 @@ all field sizes are in bits.  When discussing individual bits of fields, the
 least significant bit is referred to as bit 0.  Hexadecimal notation is used for
 describing the value of fields.
 
+QUIC packet headers can be separated into long and short headers. Long headers
+are expected to be used for the initial phase of the connection and are used for

s/expected to be used/used/

>  
-The fields in the Common Header are the following:
+Long headers are used for packets that are sent prior to the completion of
+version negotiation or are not encrypted with 1-RTT keys. Once both conditions

"prior to the completion of both version negotiation and the cryptographic handshake "

>  
+: The second bit (0x40) of octet 0 indicates whether the connection ID field is
+  present.  If set to 1, then the connection ID field is present; if set to 0,
+  the connection ID field is zero length.

same end result, no?

>  
-* Packet Number: The lower 8, 16, 32, or 48 bits of the packet number, based on
-  the PACKET_NUMBER_SIZE flag.  Each Regular packet is assigned a packet number
-  by the sender.  The first packet number is randomized (see
-  {{initial-packet-number}}).
+* Octet 0: 0x81 (Flags indicating long header and Version Negotiation packet
+  type)
+* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (echoed)
+* Octets 9-12: Packet Number (echoed)
+* Octets 13-16: Version (echoed)
+* Octets 17+: Payload (version list, containing 0 or more acceptable versions)

I thinking that this is just @janaiyengar trolling us all.

>  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 ~~~
-{: #regular-packet-frames title="Contents of Encrypted Payload"}
+{: #version-negotiation-format title="Version Negotiation Packet"}
+
+A server that generates a version negotiation packet SHOULD include one of the
+reserved version numbers (those following the pattern 0x?a?a?a?a).  This ensures

Agreed, in spades, though this isn't new text for this PR.

>  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 ~~~
-{: #regular-packet-frames title="Contents of Encrypted Payload"}
+{: #version-negotiation-format title="Version Negotiation Packet"}
+
+A server that generates a version negotiation packet SHOULD include one of the
+reserved version numbers (those following the pattern 0x?a?a?a?a).  This ensures
+that clients are able to correctly handle an unsupported version.
+
+The design of version negotiation permits a server to avoid maintaining state
+for packets that it rejects in this fashion.  However, when the server generates
+a version negotiation packet, it cannot randomly generate a reserved version
+number.  This is because the server is required to include the same value in its
+transport parameters (see {{version-validation}}).  To avoid the selected
+version number changing during connection establishment, the reserved version
+can be generated as a function of values that will be available to the server

Not really.  The requirement here is that the bogus version is constant.  This is only suggesting one way that a server might be implemented to comply with that requirement.

> +can be generated as a function of values that will be available to the server
+when later generating its handshake packets.
+
+A pseudorandom function that takes client address information (IP and port) and
+the client selected version as input would ensure that there is sufficient
+variability in the values that a server uses.
+
+A client MAY send a packet using a reserved version number.  This can be used to
+solicit a list of supported versions from a server.
+
+See {{version-negotiation}} for a description of the version negotiation
+process.
+
+## Public Reset Packet {#public-reset-packet}
+
+A Public Reset packet is sent by only a server and is used to abruptly terminate

Hmm, I don't remember this being a restriction on its use.  Why only servers?

> +
+Other Server Cleartext packets contain:
+
+* Octet 0: 0x85 (Flags indicating Long header and appropriate server Cleartext
+  packet type)
+* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (echoed)
+* Octets 9-12: Packet Number (low 4 octets, random 31-bit initial value)
+* Octets 13-16: Version (echoed)
+* Octets 17+: Payload
+
+The client MUST choose a random value and use it as the Connection ID until the
+server replies with a server-selected Connection ID. Server-selected Connection
+IDs are used after a successful handshake, cleanly distinguishing packets that
+use them from packets using client-selected Connection IDs. All packets
+including and following a Server Cleartext End-of-Handshake packet use a
+server-selected Connection ID, as described in {{connection-id}}.

This is an artifact of me partially fixing the formatting.

>  
 
-## Packet Numbers
+## Connection ID {#connection-id}
+
+QUIC connections are identified by their 64-bit Connection ID. All long headers
+contain a Connection ID. Short headers indicate the presence of a Connection ID
+using the CONNECTION_ID flag. When present, the Connection ID is in the same
+location in all packet headers, making it straightforward for middleboxes, such
+as load balancers, to locate and use it.
+
+When a connection is initiated, the client MUST choose a random value and use it
+as the Connection ID in all Cleartext packets and all 0-RTT Encrypted
+packets. The client's Connection ID is a suggestion to the server. The server
+echoes this value in all packets until the handshake is successful (see
+{{QUIC-TLS}}. In its final successful handshake completion packet, the server

I had the same question as @MikeBishop here.  I believe that the answer is that the server sends the "Final" long packet type on all of the packets after ServerHello.  It would only echo the client's connection ID if it needed to send a Version Negotiation packet or a HelloRetryReqest.

>  
 
-## Packet Numbers
+## Connection ID {#connection-id}
+
+QUIC connections are identified by their 64-bit Connection ID. All long headers
+contain a Connection ID. Short headers indicate the presence of a Connection ID
+using the CONNECTION_ID flag. When present, the Connection ID is in the same
+location in all packet headers, making it straightforward for middleboxes, such
+as load balancers, to locate and use it.
+
+When a connection is initiated, the client MUST choose a random value and use it
+as the Connection ID in all Cleartext packets and all 0-RTT Encrypted
+packets. The client's Connection ID is a suggestion to the server. The server
+echoes this value in all packets until the handshake is successful (see
+{{QUIC-TLS}}. In its final successful handshake completion packet, the server
+MUST use a server-selected Connection ID. All subsequent packets from the server

Yeah, I would just say any value.  The fact that the server might pick the value that the client did isn't particularly interesting.  If anything, we might point out that the ID doesn't have to be *new*, just unique.

> @@ -541,12 +721,54 @@ packet number.  Once any packet has been acknowledged, subsequent packets can
 use a shorter packet number encoding.
 
 
-## Frames and Frame Types {#frames}
+## Handling Packets from Different Versions {#version-specific}
+
+Between different versions the following things are guaranteed to remain
+constant:
+
+* the location and size of the Flags field in both header forms,

I would simply refer to this as the first octet, which sorts the both the "location" and "size" aspects.  Maybe:

> New versions of QUIC can be specified as long as the invariants in this section are maintained.
>
> The first octet always indicates the type of packet:
>  * The header form bit (0x80) always indicates a long or short header.
>  * In the short header, the next bit (0x40) indicates whether the Connection ID field is present.
>  * The remaining bits of this octet are interpreted as determined by the protocol version.
>
> Between all protocol versions, the following is guaranteed to be constant:
> * The location, size, and semantics of the Connection ID in both header forms (conditional on the field being present in the short form),
> * The location, size, and semantics of the Version field in the long form header, and
> * The location and size (but not semantics) of the Packet Number field in the long form header.

> +* the location of the CONNECTION_ID bit in the Flags field in short headers,
+
+* the location and size of the Connection ID field in both header forms,
+
+* the location and value of the Version field in long headers, and
+
+* the location and value of the Packet Number field in long headers.
+
+Implementations MUST assume that an unsupported version uses an unknown packet
+format. All other values MUST be ignored when processing a packet that contains
+an unsupported version.
+
+
+# Frames and Frame Types {#frames}
+
+The payload of cleartext packets and the plaintext after decryption of encrypted

And let us talk about "(successful) removal of packet protection"

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>This is a pretty big and important change.  Overall, I think that the direction is good.  Like others, I think that there are plenty of opportunities for this to be improved, but that should not stop us from making forward progress.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104851985">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -322,175 +322,356 @@ all field sizes are in bits.  When discussing individual bits of fields, the
 least significant bit is referred to as bit 0.  Hexadecimal notation is used for
 describing the value of fields.
 
+QUIC packet headers can be separated into long and short headers. Long headers
+are expected to be used for the initial phase of the connection and are used for
</pre>
<p>s/expected to be used/used/</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104852132">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-The fields in the Common Header are the following:
+Long headers are used for packets that are sent prior to the completion of
+version negotiation or are not encrypted with 1-RTT keys. Once both conditions
</pre>
<p>"prior to the completion of both version negotiation and the cryptographic handshake "</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104852389">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
+: The second bit (0x40) of octet 0 indicates whether the connection ID field is
+  present.  If set to 1, then the connection ID field is present; if set to 0,
+  the connection ID field is zero length.
</pre>
<p>same end result, no?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104852541">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-* Packet Number: The lower 8, 16, 32, or 48 bits of the packet number, based on
-  the PACKET_NUMBER_SIZE flag.  Each Regular packet is assigned a packet number
-  by the sender.  The first packet number is randomized (see
-  {{initial-packet-number}}).
+* Octet 0: 0x81 (Flags indicating long header and Version Negotiation packet
+  type)
+* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (echoed)
+* Octets 9-12: Packet Number (echoed)
+* Octets 13-16: Version (echoed)
+* Octets 17+: Payload (version list, containing 0 or more acceptable versions)
</pre>
<p>I thinking that this is just <a href="https://github.com/janaiyengar" class="user-mention">@janaiyengar</a> trolling us all.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104852588">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 ~~~
-{: #regular-packet-frames title=&quot;Contents of Encrypted Payload&quot;}
+{: #version-negotiation-format title=&quot;Version Negotiation Packet&quot;}
+
+A server that generates a version negotiation packet SHOULD include one of the
+reserved version numbers (those following the pattern 0x?a?a?a?a).  This ensures
</pre>
<p>Agreed, in spades, though this isn't new text for this PR.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104852658">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 ~~~
-{: #regular-packet-frames title=&quot;Contents of Encrypted Payload&quot;}
+{: #version-negotiation-format title=&quot;Version Negotiation Packet&quot;}
+
+A server that generates a version negotiation packet SHOULD include one of the
+reserved version numbers (those following the pattern 0x?a?a?a?a).  This ensures
+that clients are able to correctly handle an unsupported version.
+
+The design of version negotiation permits a server to avoid maintaining state
+for packets that it rejects in this fashion.  However, when the server generates
+a version negotiation packet, it cannot randomly generate a reserved version
+number.  This is because the server is required to include the same value in its
+transport parameters (see {{version-validation}}).  To avoid the selected
+version number changing during connection establishment, the reserved version
+can be generated as a function of values that will be available to the server
</pre>
<p>Not really.  The requirement here is that the bogus version is constant.  This is only suggesting one way that a server might be implemented to comply with that requirement.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104852743">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +can be generated as a function of values that will be available to the server
+when later generating its handshake packets.
+
+A pseudorandom function that takes client address information (IP and port) and
+the client selected version as input would ensure that there is sufficient
+variability in the values that a server uses.
+
+A client MAY send a packet using a reserved version number.  This can be used to
+solicit a list of supported versions from a server.
+
+See {{version-negotiation}} for a description of the version negotiation
+process.
+
+## Public Reset Packet {#public-reset-packet}
+
+A Public Reset packet is sent by only a server and is used to abruptly terminate
</pre>
<p>Hmm, I don't remember this being a restriction on its use.  Why only servers?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104852860">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +
+Other Server Cleartext packets contain:
+
+* Octet 0: 0x85 (Flags indicating Long header and appropriate server Cleartext
+  packet type)
+* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (echoed)
+* Octets 9-12: Packet Number (low 4 octets, random 31-bit initial value)
+* Octets 13-16: Version (echoed)
+* Octets 17+: Payload
+
+The client MUST choose a random value and use it as the Connection ID until the
+server replies with a server-selected Connection ID. Server-selected Connection
+IDs are used after a successful handshake, cleanly distinguishing packets that
+use them from packets using client-selected Connection IDs. All packets
+including and following a Server Cleartext End-of-Handshake packet use a
+server-selected Connection ID, as described in {{connection-id}}.
</pre>
<p>This is an artifact of me partially fixing the formatting.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104853027">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
 
-## Packet Numbers
+## Connection ID {#connection-id}
+
+QUIC connections are identified by their 64-bit Connection ID. All long headers
+contain a Connection ID. Short headers indicate the presence of a Connection ID
+using the CONNECTION_ID flag. When present, the Connection ID is in the same
+location in all packet headers, making it straightforward for middleboxes, such
+as load balancers, to locate and use it.
+
+When a connection is initiated, the client MUST choose a random value and use it
+as the Connection ID in all Cleartext packets and all 0-RTT Encrypted
+packets. The client&#39;s Connection ID is a suggestion to the server. The server
+echoes this value in all packets until the handshake is successful (see
+{{QUIC-TLS}}. In its final successful handshake completion packet, the server
</pre>
<p>I had the same question as <a href="https://github.com/MikeBishop" class="user-mention">@MikeBishop</a> here.  I believe that the answer is that the server sends the "Final" long packet type on all of the packets after ServerHello.  It would only echo the client's connection ID if it needed to send a Version Negotiation packet or a HelloRetryReqest.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104853111">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
 
-## Packet Numbers
+## Connection ID {#connection-id}
+
+QUIC connections are identified by their 64-bit Connection ID. All long headers
+contain a Connection ID. Short headers indicate the presence of a Connection ID
+using the CONNECTION_ID flag. When present, the Connection ID is in the same
+location in all packet headers, making it straightforward for middleboxes, such
+as load balancers, to locate and use it.
+
+When a connection is initiated, the client MUST choose a random value and use it
+as the Connection ID in all Cleartext packets and all 0-RTT Encrypted
+packets. The client&#39;s Connection ID is a suggestion to the server. The server
+echoes this value in all packets until the handshake is successful (see
+{{QUIC-TLS}}. In its final successful handshake completion packet, the server
+MUST use a server-selected Connection ID. All subsequent packets from the server
</pre>
<p>Yeah, I would just say any value.  The fact that the server might pick the value that the client did isn't particularly interesting.  If anything, we might point out that the ID doesn't have to be <em>new</em>, just unique.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104854015">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -541,12 +721,54 @@ packet number.  Once any packet has been acknowledged, subsequent packets can
 use a shorter packet number encoding.
 
 
-## Frames and Frame Types {#frames}
+## Handling Packets from Different Versions {#version-specific}
+
+Between different versions the following things are guaranteed to remain
+constant:
+
+* the location and size of the Flags field in both header forms,
</pre>
<p>I would simply refer to this as the first octet, which sorts the both the "location" and "size" aspects.  Maybe:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>New versions of QUIC can be specified as long as the invariants in this section are maintained.</p>
<p>The first octet always indicates the type of packet:</p>
<ul>
<li>The header form bit (0x80) always indicates a long or short header.</li>
<li>In the short header, the next bit (0x40) indicates whether the Connection ID field is present.</li>
<li>The remaining bits of this octet are interpreted as determined by the protocol version.</li>
</ul>
<p>Between all protocol versions, the following is guaranteed to be constant:</p>
<ul>
<li>The location, size, and semantics of the Connection ID in both header forms (conditional on the field being present in the short form),</li>
<li>The location, size, and semantics of the Version field in the long form header, and</li>
<li>The location and size (but not semantics) of the Packet Number field in the long form header.</li>
</ul>
</blockquote>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104854081">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +* the location of the CONNECTION_ID bit in the Flags field in short headers,
+
+* the location and size of the Connection ID field in both header forms,
+
+* the location and value of the Version field in long headers, and
+
+* the location and value of the Packet Number field in long headers.
+
+Implementations MUST assume that an unsupported version uses an unknown packet
+format. All other values MUST be ignored when processing a packet that contains
+an unsupported version.
+
+
+# Frames and Frame Types {#frames}
+
+The payload of cleartext packets and the plaintext after decryption of encrypted
</pre>
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Closed #360.

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<p>Closed <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/360" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/360" data-id="212263506" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#360</a>.</p>

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@ianswett, can you try to remember to name your branches in future.  These branch names are going to collide with old patches (as this one already did, causing me some confusion).

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<p><a href="https://github.com/ianswett" class="user-mention">@ianswett</a>, can you try to remember to name your branches in future.  These branch names are going to collide with old patches (as this one already did, causing me some confusion).</p>

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@britram pushed 1 commit.

edb5e54  reflow again; address martin's comment


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@britram pushed 1 commit.

52f54bf  update packet number description


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<p><a href="https://github.com/britram" class="user-mention">@britram</a> pushed 1 commit.</p>

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This looks pretty good, I have a comment about ALTSVC that I will make on #242.

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<p>This looks pretty good, I have a comment about ALTSVC that I will make on <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/242" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/242" data-id="203309349" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#242</a>.</p>

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I've reread the section "Existing Frame Types" and have been left a bit muddled. 

The intent seems to be to redefine the the Frame Type Registry table defined in [RFC7540|https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7540#section-11.2]. However, the IANA managed [Frame Type Registry|https://www.iana.org/assignments/http2-parameters/http2-parameters.xhtml#frame-type] includes the additional ALTSVC frame, that was registered in RFC7540. 

Although Alt-Svc is a HTTP/2 extension, it seems a bit unfair to leave it out at this stage. Doing so would mean we need an RFC7838 "Update" doc in order to support its use with QUIC. Perhaps that was the intent?


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Sure, I'm happy to name them.  I didn't realize it mattered.

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Yeah, I've debated whether to include that here.  It's a dead simple mapping -- 0=>3, everything else the same.  But updating 7838 in the HTTP/QUIC spec feels a bit weird, too.  Maybe I should just spin up a separate I-D for ALTSVC frames.

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> +can be generated as a function of values that will be available to the server
+when later generating its handshake packets.
+
+A pseudorandom function that takes client address information (IP and port) and
+the client selected version as input would ensure that there is sufficient
+variability in the values that a server uses.
+
+A client MAY send a packet using a reserved version number.  This can be used to
+solicit a list of supported versions from a server.
+
+See {{version-negotiation}} for a description of the version negotiation
+process.
+
+## Public Reset Packet {#public-reset-packet}
+
+A Public Reset packet is sent by only a server and is used to abruptly terminate

That was my initial reaction as well.  A client implementation on top of a UDP stack will never receive a packet on a closed connection, because there's no UDP socket open there.  The UDP stack will drop packets before they reach QUIC.  However, a server will have a listening socket open and receive all traffic that's sent to that port -- new connections, existing connections, and stale connections.

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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104957139">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +can be generated as a function of values that will be available to the server
+when later generating its handshake packets.
+
+A pseudorandom function that takes client address information (IP and port) and
+the client selected version as input would ensure that there is sufficient
+variability in the values that a server uses.
+
+A client MAY send a packet using a reserved version number.  This can be used to
+solicit a list of supported versions from a server.
+
+See {{version-negotiation}} for a description of the version negotiation
+process.
+
+## Public Reset Packet {#public-reset-packet}
+
+A Public Reset packet is sent by only a server and is used to abruptly terminate
</pre>
<p>That was my initial reaction as well.  A client implementation on top of a UDP stack will never receive a packet on a closed connection, because there's no UDP socket open there.  The UDP stack will drop packets before they reach QUIC.  However, a server will have a listening socket open and receive all traffic that's sent to that port -- new connections, existing connections, and stale connections.</p>

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stream flow control does not need scaling. It is absolute offset. 

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<p>stream flow control does not need scaling. It is absolute offset.</p>

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I think this reverts the change I made to exempt tables from the length check, though.  Kramdown requires the entire table row to be on a single line, even if it winds up wrapping the table cell contents itself later.

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ILubashev's suggestion on #171 alludes to this; separating it out as a new issue.

Connection-level flow control is currently defined as a cumulative sum of all bytes _received_ on all streams.  However, if you receive STREAM frames out of order, you can know that more data is in flight, even if you haven't received it.  Currently, that data implicitly counts against the receiver's stream window (since it's a max offset), but not against the connection window.

This would allow the receiver of a DISINTEREST frame to silently stop retransmission if the STREAM w/ FIN had already been acknowledged (without generating a RST_STREAM) since the flow control states on both sides would be consistent.  However, it would also require more logic on STREAM receipt, since it's no longer just a running counter of the size of all received STREAM frames.

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<p>ILubashev's suggestion on <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/171" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/171" data-id="201644609" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#171</a> alludes to this; separating it out as a new issue.</p>
<p>Connection-level flow control is currently defined as a cumulative sum of all bytes <em>received</em> on all streams.  However, if you receive STREAM frames out of order, you can know that more data is in flight, even if you haven't received it.  Currently, that data implicitly counts against the receiver's stream window (since it's a max offset), but not against the connection window.</p>
<p>This would allow the receiver of a DISINTEREST frame to silently stop retransmission if the STREAM w/ FIN had already been acknowledged (without generating a RST_STREAM) since the flow control states on both sides would be consistent.  However, it would also require more logic on STREAM receipt, since it's no longer just a running counter of the size of all received STREAM frames.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 2a7003c2c740f4c66de83d040c3559ac3f4cc46f
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2a7003c2c740f4c66de83d040c3559ac3f4cc46f
  Author: Mike Bishop <michael.bishop@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

  Log Message:
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  Restrict RST to data streams; consider control streams critical (#274)

* Restrict RST to data streams
* Remove replay requirement; add error code
* Discuss truncated frames.  Fixes #364.



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<p>Closed <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/176" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/176" data-id="201776330" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#176</a> via <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/274" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/274" data-id="206346273" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#274</a>.</p>

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As @LPardue has pointed out in the thread for #242, the HTTP/QUIC spec claims to update the IANA registry for "existing" frames.  It really only updates the frames defined in RFC7540; the ALTSVC frame defined in RFC7838 isn't updated.

It would be a simple update, but the question is where it belongs.  Should we:

- Add text in this document to include that frame, because it is "existing"?
- Write a new (very short) document updating RFC7838 with HTTP/QUIC support, following the recommendations in #363?
- Kick it back to the httpbis working group to write exactly the same very short document?

Note that the latter two options probably differ by nothing but the filename of the I-D in question -- the same people will probably end up writing it.

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<p>As <a href="https://github.com/LPardue" class="user-mention">@LPardue</a> has pointed out in the thread for <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/242" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/242" data-id="203309349" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#242</a>, the HTTP/QUIC spec claims to update the IANA registry for "existing" frames.  It really only updates the frames defined in RFC7540; the ALTSVC frame defined in RFC7838 isn't updated.</p>
<p>It would be a simple update, but the question is where it belongs.  Should we:</p>
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<li>Add text in this document to include that frame, because it is "existing"?</li>
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<li>Kick it back to the httpbis working group to write exactly the same very short document?</li>
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<p>Note that the latter two options probably differ by nothing but the filename of the I-D in question -- the same people will probably end up writing it.</p>

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I'm dubious that we'll land text on application-level clean shutdown before the draft deadline.  Let's merge this bugfix for consistency in -02, then start on that change separately.  If I'm wrong and we can close on it quickly, great!

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Changed paths:
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  Narrow the packet number encoding range requirement to one that is based on mathematics (#356)



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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 31249bed9680c28ff802977ac316b5485f958001
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/31249bed9680c28ff802977ac316b5485f958001
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  GOAWAY needs a maximum stream number in both directions

I have also taken the liberty of making the text that matches this
more directly applicable.


  Commit: 72dcfe09cf8adb8a1367d30b683f1a4746fa05ae
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/72dcfe09cf8adb8a1367d30b683f1a4746fa05ae
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Advice on use of GOAWAY during error handling


  Commit: 1ac4b8c77329405174c7961106fee903d8583a7b
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1ac4b8c77329405174c7961106fee903d8583a7b
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Fix nits


  Commit: 13a14f8577ebc51ac69a48195f2e364f15090958
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/13a14f8577ebc51ac69a48195f2e364f15090958
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  I've taken feedback from #355.

I have also added text that captures something we learned late in the HTTP/2
experience.  GOAWAY pre-emptively closes streams, but for peer-initiated
streams it might make sense to use a bigger number to allow any requests that
the peer created in the last round trip to complete.  Some implementations find
retrying quite difficult and allowing (for example) a client's last set of
requests to complete can make the shutdown properly graceful (as opposed to
toy-graceful).

The case where this matters is for a gateway to server, where the gateway can't
reasonably retry the 10,000 requests that it initiated in the last second. To
allow for that, the server can give the gateway a bit of extra leeway for those
streams when it sends a GOAWAY frame.


  Commit: ee7b808e0a2d803b052173b14877fa6f0719e011
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ee7b808e0a2d803b052173b14877fa6f0719e011
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  s/Last/Largest/ and improve conditions on a triggered GOAWAY


  Commit: 2c716f80a9b12fff4495c7ad8f92a554500df722
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2c716f80a9b12fff4495c7ad8f92a554500df722
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Remove GOAWAY echo


  Commit: 6fcb7f9340f18afef6337e1abf54714faa3652bd
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6fcb7f9340f18afef6337e1abf54714faa3652bd
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
  -----------
  Remove error code and reason phrase from GOAWAY


  Commit: 3afbc94a289d7e73daebf943140e058202cc1967
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3afbc94a289d7e73daebf943140e058202cc1967
  Author: janaiyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #355 from quicwg/goaway_for_no_reason

Remove error code and reason phrase from GOAWAY


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/77ee29bc3e9e...3afbc94a289d
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ianswett commented on this pull request.



> @@ -59,12 +44,7 @@ normative:
 
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-  RFC3782:

I moved these all down to the TODO section except TLP.

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/331#discussion_r105001311">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -59,12 +44,7 @@ normative:
 
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<p>I moved these all down to the TODO section except TLP.</p>

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dfdb34e  Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into http_extensions


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  Branch: refs/heads/http_extensions
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 9931646e686648b4b987a7e3aa6dcd3ae4ef6d1d
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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-03 (Fri, 03 Mar 2017)

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  ClientHello needs to fit in a single packet


  Commit: 38551d302771235961cd54df043f0d392c5ccb68
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/38551d302771235961cd54df043f0d392c5ccb68
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-03 (Fri, 03 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Reword DoS risk text


  Commit: ad5e9130e604ba90c366cbbc74ab4346b4ebc322
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ad5e9130e604ba90c366cbbc74ab4346b4ebc322
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-03 (Fri, 03 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Rephrase a little based on a second reading and review


  Commit: 6407ce1e0d92ca1d7010fd9fdd8e1b3ac16d8943
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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-03 (Fri, 03 Mar 2017)

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  Log Message:
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  Review comments


  Commit: eca536ea0da2ee3f34abac920f64f3f3557428ab
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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-03 (Fri, 03 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Reformat frame descriptions to use definition lists


  Commit: 2358248452e689b6f95af53ebc63f88c1c0722de
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2358248452e689b6f95af53ebc63f88c1c0722de
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-03 (Fri, 03 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Use definition list for definitions


  Commit: 923fe3c6f00f2755b304c404b184db718744b16b
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/923fe3c6f00f2755b304c404b184db718744b16b
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-03 (Fri, 03 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Neatly align transport parameter table


  Commit: 886cc6c21ef6e19295f7dadab4ca3471714b904f
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/886cc6c21ef6e19295f7dadab4ca3471714b904f
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

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  Log Message:
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  Use grep to count lines, list affected lines and their line numbers


  Commit: f550e843b030980c130b22a416ee9b9aeeab45e0
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f550e843b030980c130b22a416ee9b9aeeab45e0
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Forgot to add the line number hack


  Commit: 21a0b360ff491681221ee238076a4af6251a5b33
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/21a0b360ff491681221ee238076a4af6251a5b33
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #365 from quicwg/linecount2

Count line length differently


  Commit: 20c16d5cd752b432af6ebbf2b33fa0f967642b47
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/20c16d5cd752b432af6ebbf2b33fa0f967642b47
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Make trailing whitespace check nicer


  Commit: 9d5f7bbcf7cdac968c1d7fa0ab50556de3238b8f
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9d5f7bbcf7cdac968c1d7fa0ab50556de3238b8f
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Merge branch 'linecount2'


  Commit: 06d8cf31dc1c323cfa13ec9812beabad5544a3f4
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/06d8cf31dc1c323cfa13ec9812beabad5544a3f4
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Don't ACK the ACK


  Commit: daaae83d9c64c951306e3a06f061894c8e92818c
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/daaae83d9c64c951306e3a06f061894c8e92818c
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  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Make loss detection make more sense


  Commit: f68e9f475d5d221fa1090dbe9e63a737e3f4ba69
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f68e9f475d5d221fa1090dbe9e63a737e3f4ba69
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Minor update.


  Commit: ed1613e136cc974f6cba2d4fc0219b0ef031bf21
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ed1613e136cc974f6cba2d4fc0219b0ef031bf21
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Fix a long line.


  Commit: 8991da2db50cf31d0700ac709903d6ab48f2f195
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8991da2db50cf31d0700ac709903d6ab48f2f195
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Fix a long line


  Commit: be28bd34ef88282b688cab3ea84a9b2d584fc487
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/be28bd34ef88282b688cab3ea84a9b2d584fc487
  Author: janaiyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #369 from quicwg/ianswett-patch-4

Make loss detection make more sense


  Commit: 9704ac7bba64b247377a11331e408c7db1e77f8b
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9704ac7bba64b247377a11331e408c7db1e77f8b
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  ACK or PADDING


  Commit: f441d3433d70db24a5b42756698ac31f262427a8
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f441d3433d70db24a5b42756698ac31f262427a8
  Author: janaiyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #366 from quicwg/ackack

Don't ACK the ACK


  Commit: dde2d743001cfc17d3b171829c03b6d628453359
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dde2d743001cfc17d3b171829c03b6d628453359
  Author: janaiyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #357 from quicwg/reformatting

Use definition lists more


  Commit: 5fc8ca14c7097e4fff2b8092d1be11cf18785b37
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5fc8ca14c7097e4fff2b8092d1be11cf18785b37
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Remove STOP_WAITING frame


  Commit: a3cae53ea55d7db74cdecd0622447c5ba229f2ec
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a3cae53ea55d7db74cdecd0622447c5ba229f2ec
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md


  Commit: e9186cc0994f86d482fbba8e7d144c950242f014
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e9186cc0994f86d482fbba8e7d144c950242f014
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md


  Commit: d27fbd4cc84e1412b3796aa46da9d64029e29b9a
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d27fbd4cc84e1412b3796aa46da9d64029e29b9a
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Martin's comments.


  Commit: a6b17b0b83edfd3c412a22bc0027d0a00bf999d2
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a6b17b0b83edfd3c412a22bc0027d0a00bf999d2
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Reword ACK acking text, integrate Jana's comments


  Commit: 0f792f6afaf03cef6078e4a88c943569ed5e03fc
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0f792f6afaf03cef6078e4a88c943569ed5e03fc
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #358 from quicwg/ianswett-patch-2

Remove STOP_WAITING frame


  Commit: 5b04cd247f8b1194b7ba5b99c0ceda0376ea09fb
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5b04cd247f8b1194b7ba5b99c0ceda0376ea09fb
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #338 from quicwg/one_packet_hello

ClientHello needs to fit in a single packet


  Commit: 31249bed9680c28ff802977ac316b5485f958001
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/31249bed9680c28ff802977ac316b5485f958001
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  GOAWAY needs a maximum stream number in both directions

I have also taken the liberty of making the text that matches this
more directly applicable.


  Commit: 72dcfe09cf8adb8a1367d30b683f1a4746fa05ae
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/72dcfe09cf8adb8a1367d30b683f1a4746fa05ae
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Advice on use of GOAWAY during error handling


  Commit: 1ac4b8c77329405174c7961106fee903d8583a7b
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1ac4b8c77329405174c7961106fee903d8583a7b
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Fix nits


  Commit: 13a14f8577ebc51ac69a48195f2e364f15090958
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/13a14f8577ebc51ac69a48195f2e364f15090958
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  I've taken feedback from #355.

I have also added text that captures something we learned late in the HTTP/2
experience.  GOAWAY pre-emptively closes streams, but for peer-initiated
streams it might make sense to use a bigger number to allow any requests that
the peer created in the last round trip to complete.  Some implementations find
retrying quite difficult and allowing (for example) a client's last set of
requests to complete can make the shutdown properly graceful (as opposed to
toy-graceful).

The case where this matters is for a gateway to server, where the gateway can't
reasonably retry the 10,000 requests that it initiated in the last second. To
allow for that, the server can give the gateway a bit of extra leeway for those
streams when it sends a GOAWAY frame.


  Commit: ee7b808e0a2d803b052173b14877fa6f0719e011
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ee7b808e0a2d803b052173b14877fa6f0719e011
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  s/Last/Largest/ and improve conditions on a triggered GOAWAY


  Commit: 2c716f80a9b12fff4495c7ad8f92a554500df722
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2c716f80a9b12fff4495c7ad8f92a554500df722
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

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  Remove GOAWAY echo


  Commit: 6fcb7f9340f18afef6337e1abf54714faa3652bd
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6fcb7f9340f18afef6337e1abf54714faa3652bd
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

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  Remove error code and reason phrase from GOAWAY


  Commit: 14bd3a6de622af2855942a9f3802a86dca53efcc
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/14bd3a6de622af2855942a9f3802a86dca53efcc
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

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  Clarify the Timestamps section


  Commit: 62b0ca754a8583552f188c718508e40cc23ae808
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/62b0ca754a8583552f188c718508e40cc23ae808
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  upcase "ack" and remove some trailing whitespace


  Commit: 70826446372c31e08f23b87e5629d4c59be75650
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/70826446372c31e08f23b87e5629d4c59be75650
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Clarify timestamp ordering


  Commit: fc4097a3546303ec73dcc8bc7726ea7d279a87be
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fc4097a3546303ec73dcc8bc7726ea7d279a87be
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Jana's review comments


  Commit: 2a7003c2c740f4c66de83d040c3559ac3f4cc46f
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2a7003c2c740f4c66de83d040c3559ac3f4cc46f
  Author: Mike Bishop <michael.bishop@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

  Log Message:
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  Restrict RST to data streams; consider control streams critical (#274)

* Restrict RST to data streams
* Remove replay requirement; add error code
* Discuss truncated frames.  Fixes #364.


  Commit: 77ee29bc3e9ec363ae5d8482544b56c38ee29603
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/77ee29bc3e9ec363ae5d8482544b56c38ee29603
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Narrow the packet number encoding range requirement to one that is based on mathematics (#356)


  Commit: 3afbc94a289d7e73daebf943140e058202cc1967
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3afbc94a289d7e73daebf943140e058202cc1967
  Author: janaiyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #355 from quicwg/goaway_for_no_reason

Remove error code and reason phrase from GOAWAY


  Commit: dfdb34e918b60295a392e3beef7128689680132d
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dfdb34e918b60295a392e3beef7128689680132d
  Author: Mike Bishop <michbish@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M Makefile
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into http_extensions


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/12bcab7b759d...dfdb34e918b6
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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-recovery-refs
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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-recovery-refs
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: c53188de83e5f347abafaf2210a5c736b4911272
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c53188de83e5f347abafaf2210a5c736b4911272
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

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  Make all TCP references informative



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@ianswett pushed 1 commit.

c53188d  Make all TCP references informative


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Remaining fixes now contained in pr #372 



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<p>Remaining fixes now contained in pr <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/372" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/372" data-id="212833831" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#372</a></p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-recovery-refs
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Changed paths:
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> @@ -322,175 +322,356 @@ all field sizes are in bits.  When discussing individual bits of fields, the
 least significant bit is referred to as bit 0.  Hexadecimal notation is used for
 describing the value of fields.
 
+QUIC packet headers can be separated into long and short headers. Long headers
+are expected to be used for the initial phase of the connection and are used for
+version negotiation, connection establishment, 0-RTT, and public reset
+packets. Short headers are minimal version-specific headers, which can be used
+after version negotiation and 1-RTT keys are established, and MUST NOT be used
+earlier.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r105010906">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -322,175 +322,356 @@ all field sizes are in bits.  When discussing individual bits of fields, the
 least significant bit is referred to as bit 0.  Hexadecimal notation is used for
 describing the value of fields.
 
+QUIC packet headers can be separated into long and short headers. Long headers
+are expected to be used for the initial phase of the connection and are used for
+version negotiation, connection establishment, 0-RTT, and public reset
+packets. Short headers are minimal version-specific headers, which can be used
+after version negotiation and 1-RTT keys are established, and MUST NOT be used
+earlier.
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>  
-   * 0x02 = PUBLIC_RESET.  Set to indicate that the packet is a Public Reset
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+: The most significant bit (0x80) of the first octet (octet 0) is set to 1 for

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r105011235">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-   * 0x02 = PUBLIC_RESET.  Set to indicate that the packet is a Public Reset
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+: The most significant bit (0x80) of the first octet (octet 0) is set to 1 for
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>  
-     + 11 indicates that 6 bytes of the packet number are present
-     + 10 indicates that 4 bytes of the packet number are present
-     + 01 indicates that 2 bytes of the packet number are present
-     + 00 indicates that 1 byte of the packet number is present
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+  use of this field in more details.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r105011479">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-     + 11 indicates that 6 bytes of the packet number are present
-     + 10 indicates that 4 bytes of the packet number are present
-     + 01 indicates that 2 bytes of the packet number are present
-     + 00 indicates that 1 byte of the packet number is present
+: Octets 1 through 8 include a connection ID.  {{connection-id}} describes the
+  use of this field in more details.
</pre>
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+  of packet numbers.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r105011538">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
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-   * 0x80 is currently unused, and must be set to 0.
+: Octets 9 to 12 contain a packet number.  {{packet-numbers} describes the use
+  of packet numbers.
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>  
+: Octets 13 to 16 contain the selected protocol version.  This field indicates
+  which version of QUIC is in use and determines how the some protocol fields
+  are interpreted.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r105011764">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
+: Octets 13 to 16 contain the selected protocol version.  This field indicates
+  which version of QUIC is in use and determines how the some protocol fields
+  are interpreted.
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>  
-While all QUIC packets have the same common header, there are three types of
-packets: Regular packets, Version Negotiation packets, and Public Reset packets.
-The flowchart below shows how a packet is classified into one of these three
-packet types:
+: Octets from 17 onwards are the payload of the packet.

I've added "(the rest of the QUIC packet)" for consistency since we don't really need to talk about UDP datagram anywhere else after QUIC packet is defined.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r105012056">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-While all QUIC packets have the same common header, there are three types of
-packets: Regular packets, Version Negotiation packets, and Public Reset packets.
-The flowchart below shows how a packet is classified into one of these three
-packet types:
+: Octets from 17 onwards are the payload of the packet.
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<p>I've added "(the rest of the QUIC packet)" for consistency since we don't really need to talk about UDP datagram anywhere else after QUIC packet is defined.</p>

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>  
+| Type | Name                   | Section                        |
+|:-----|:-----------------------|:-------------------------------|
+| 01   | Version Negotiation    | {{version-negotiation-packet}} |
+| 02   | Public Reset           | {{public-reset-packet}}        |
+| 03   | Client Cleartext       | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
+| 04   | Final Server Cleartext | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
+| 05   | Other Server Cleartext | {{cleartext-packet}}           |

Changed consistently to Final and Non-Final

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r105013250">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
+| Type | Name                   | Section                        |
+|:-----|:-----------------------|:-------------------------------|
+| 01   | Version Negotiation    | {{version-negotiation-packet}} |
+| 02   | Public Reset           | {{public-reset-packet}}        |
+| 03   | Client Cleartext       | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
+| 04   | Final Server Cleartext | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
+| 05   | Other Server Cleartext | {{cleartext-packet}}           |
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<p>Changed consistently to Final and Non-Final</p>

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-### Handling Packets from Different Versions
+The header form, long packet type, connection ID, packet number and version

I've added a sentence saying the packet types defined here are version-specific. I'm not sure about this though, so I've added a TODO as well.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r105014128">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-### Handling Packets from Different Versions
+The header form, long packet type, connection ID, packet number and version
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<p>I've added a sentence saying the packet types defined here are version-specific. I'm not sure about this though, so I've added a TODO as well.</p>

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+: The second bit (0x40) of octet 0 indicates whether the connection ID field is
+  present.  If set to 1, then the connection ID field is present; if set to 0,
+  the connection ID field is zero length.

As mentioned on the list, and in agreement with Mike, there's value in having the packet be self-descriptive for connection ID.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r105014492">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
+: The second bit (0x40) of octet 0 indicates whether the connection ID field is
+  present.  If set to 1, then the connection ID field is present; if set to 0,
+  the connection ID field is zero length.
</pre>
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>  
-Each Regular packet contains additional header fields followed by an encrypted
-payload, as shown below:
+: The third bit (0x20) of octet 0 indicates the key phase, which allows a
+  recipient of a packet to identify the packet protection keys that are used to
+  protect the packet.  See {{QUIC-TLS}} for details.
+
+Short Packet Type:
+
+: The remaining 5 bits of octet 0 include one of 32 packet types.
+  {{short-packet-types}} lists the types that are defined for short packets.

Yeah, there will be holes or overlap between the header types. I don't see the value in unifying since there's got to be a branch before reading the types about which bits to read from the packet anyways, and two small maps aren't really that expensive to maintain.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r105014973">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-Each Regular packet contains additional header fields followed by an encrypted
-payload, as shown below:
+: The third bit (0x20) of octet 0 indicates the key phase, which allows a
+  recipient of a packet to identify the packet protection keys that are used to
+  protect the packet.  See {{QUIC-TLS}} for details.
+
+Short Packet Type:
+
+: The remaining 5 bits of octet 0 include one of 32 packet types.
+  {{short-packet-types}} lists the types that are defined for short packets.
</pre>
<p>Yeah, there will be holes or overlap between the header types. I don't see the value in unifying since there's got to be a branch before reading the types about which bits to read from the packet anyways, and two small maps aren't really that expensive to maintain.</p>

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>  
-* Packet Number: The lower 8, 16, 32, or 48 bits of the packet number, based on
-  the PACKET_NUMBER_SIZE flag.  Each Regular packet is assigned a packet number
-  by the sender.  The first packet number is randomized (see
-  {{initial-packet-number}}).
+* Octet 0: 0x81 (Flags indicating long header and Version Negotiation packet
+  type)
+* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (echoed)
+* Octets 9-12: Packet Number (echoed)
+* Octets 13-16: Version (echoed)
+* Octets 17+: Payload (version list, containing 0 or more acceptable versions)

Good point. Changed to 1 or more.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r105015058">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-* Packet Number: The lower 8, 16, 32, or 48 bits of the packet number, based on
-  the PACKET_NUMBER_SIZE flag.  Each Regular packet is assigned a packet number
-  by the sender.  The first packet number is randomized (see
-  {{initial-packet-number}}).
+* Octet 0: 0x81 (Flags indicating long header and Version Negotiation packet
+  type)
+* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (echoed)
+* Octets 9-12: Packet Number (echoed)
+* Octets 13-16: Version (echoed)
+* Octets 17+: Payload (version list, containing 0 or more acceptable versions)
</pre>
<p>Good point. Changed to 1 or more.</p>

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> +A server that generates a version negotiation packet SHOULD include one of the
+reserved version numbers (those following the pattern 0x?a?a?a?a).  This ensures
+that clients are able to correctly handle an unsupported version.
+
+The design of version negotiation permits a server to avoid maintaining state
+for packets that it rejects in this fashion.  However, when the server generates
+a version negotiation packet, it cannot randomly generate a reserved version
+number.  This is because the server is required to include the same value in its
+transport parameters (see {{version-validation}}).  To avoid the selected
+version number changing during connection establishment, the reserved version
+can be generated as a function of values that will be available to the server
+when later generating its handshake packets.
+
+A pseudorandom function that takes client address information (IP and port) and
+the client selected version as input would ensure that there is sufficient
+variability in the values that a server uses.

moved this down to version negotiation section in a subsection called "Using Reserved Versions"

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r105019462">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +A server that generates a version negotiation packet SHOULD include one of the
+reserved version numbers (those following the pattern 0x?a?a?a?a).  This ensures
+that clients are able to correctly handle an unsupported version.
+
+The design of version negotiation permits a server to avoid maintaining state
+for packets that it rejects in this fashion.  However, when the server generates
+a version negotiation packet, it cannot randomly generate a reserved version
+number.  This is because the server is required to include the same value in its
+transport parameters (see {{version-validation}}).  To avoid the selected
+version number changing during connection establishment, the reserved version
+can be generated as a function of values that will be available to the server
+when later generating its handshake packets.
+
+A pseudorandom function that takes client address information (IP and port) and
+the client selected version as input would ensure that there is sufficient
+variability in the values that a server uses.
</pre>
<p>moved this down to version negotiation section in a subsection called "Using Reserved Versions"</p>

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> +* Octets 17+: Public Reset Proof
+
+A Public Reset packet sent by a server indicates that it does not have the
+state necessary to continue with a connection.  In this case, the server will
+include the fields that prove that it originally participated in the connection
+(see {{public-reset-proof}} for details).
+
+Upon receipt of a Public Reset packet that contains a valid proof, a client
+MUST tear down state associated with the connection.  The client MUST then
+cease sending packets on the connection and SHOULD discard any subsequent
+packets that arrive. A Public Reset that does not contain a valid proof MUST be
+ignored.
+
+### Public Reset Proof
+
+Details to be added.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r105019582">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +* Octets 17+: Public Reset Proof
+
+A Public Reset packet sent by a server indicates that it does not have the
+state necessary to continue with a connection.  In this case, the server will
+include the fields that prove that it originally participated in the connection
+(see {{public-reset-proof}} for details).
+
+Upon receipt of a Public Reset packet that contains a valid proof, a client
+MUST tear down state associated with the connection.  The client MUST then
+cease sending packets on the connection and SHOULD discard any subsequent
+packets that arrive. A Public Reset that does not contain a valid proof MUST be
+ignored.
+
+### Public Reset Proof
+
+Details to be added.
</pre>
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> +
+The design of version negotiation permits a server to avoid maintaining state
+for packets that it rejects in this fashion.  However, when the server generates
+a version negotiation packet, it cannot randomly generate a reserved version
+number.  This is because the server is required to include the same value in its
+transport parameters (see {{version-validation}}).  To avoid the selected
+version number changing during connection establishment, the reserved version
+can be generated as a function of values that will be available to the server
+when later generating its handshake packets.
+
+A pseudorandom function that takes client address information (IP and port) and
+the client selected version as input would ensure that there is sufficient
+variability in the values that a server uses.
+
+A client MAY send a packet using a reserved version number.  This can be used to
+solicit a list of supported versions from a server.

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<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r105019484">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +
+The design of version negotiation permits a server to avoid maintaining state
+for packets that it rejects in this fashion.  However, when the server generates
+a version negotiation packet, it cannot randomly generate a reserved version
+number.  This is because the server is required to include the same value in its
+transport parameters (see {{version-validation}}).  To avoid the selected
+version number changing during connection establishment, the reserved version
+can be generated as a function of values that will be available to the server
+when later generating its handshake packets.
+
+A pseudorandom function that takes client address information (IP and port) and
+the client selected version as input would ensure that there is sufficient
+variability in the values that a server uses.
+
+A client MAY send a packet using a reserved version number.  This can be used to
+solicit a list of supported versions from a server.
</pre>
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> +
+### Public Reset Proof
+
+Details to be added.
+
+
+## Cleartext Packets {#cleartext-packet}
+
+Cleartext packets are sent during the handshake prior to key negotiation. A
+Client Cleartext packet contains:
+
+* Octet 0: 0x83 (Flags indicating long header and client Cleartext packet type)
+* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (randomly chosen)
+* Octets 9-12: Packet number (low 4 octets, starts at a random 31-bit value)
+* Octets 13-16: Version
+* Octets 17+: Payload

I'm doing it in the order that the packet types are defined. I've moved the types and the sections to have happy path first.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r105020020">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +
+### Public Reset Proof
+
+Details to be added.
+
+
+## Cleartext Packets {#cleartext-packet}
+
+Cleartext packets are sent during the handshake prior to key negotiation. A
+Client Cleartext packet contains:
+
+* Octet 0: 0x83 (Flags indicating long header and client Cleartext packet type)
+* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (randomly chosen)
+* Octets 9-12: Packet number (low 4 octets, starts at a random 31-bit value)
+* Octets 13-16: Version
+* Octets 17+: Payload
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<p>I'm doing it in the order that the packet types are defined. I've moved the types and the sections to have happy path first.</p>

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> @@ -1438,6 +1438,51 @@ actual exponent is one-less than the explicit exponent, and the value represents
 to 0xFFFF.
 
 
+### ACK Frames and Packet Protection
+
+ACK frames that acknowledge protected packets MUST be carried in a packet that
+has an equivalent or greater level of packet protection.
+
+Packets that are protected with 1-RTT keys MUST be acknowledged in packets that
+are also protected with 1-RTT keys.
+
+A packet that is not protected and claims to acknowledge a packet number that
+was sent with packet protection is not valid.  An unprotected packet that
+carries acknowledgments for protected packets MUST be discarded in its entirety.

In practice, discarding previously processed frames in a packet once an invalid ack is discovered is somewhat difficult.  I think it's the right suggestion, but I worry it won't be implemented correctly.

> +are also protected with 1-RTT keys.
+
+A packet that is not protected and claims to acknowledge a packet number that
+was sent with packet protection is not valid.  An unprotected packet that
+carries acknowledgments for protected packets MUST be discarded in its entirety.
+
+Packets that a client sends with 0-RTT packet protection MUST be acknowledged by
+the server in packets protected by 1-RTT keys.  This can mean that the client is
+unable to use these acknowledgments if the server cryptographic handshake
+messages are delayed or lost.  Note that the same limitation applies to other
+data sent by the server protected by the 1-RTT keys.
+
+Unprotected packets, such as those that carry the initial cryptographic
+handshake messages, MAY be acknowledged in unprotected packets.  Unprotected
+packets are vulnerable to falsification or modification.  Unprotected packets
+can be acknowledged along with protected packets in cases where the peer has

You're implying that the unprotected packets are acknowledged along with protected packets in a protected packet, but I think it'd be clearer to say "...along with protected packets in a protected packet."

> +
+Packets that a client sends with 0-RTT packet protection MUST be acknowledged by
+the server in packets protected by 1-RTT keys.  This can mean that the client is
+unable to use these acknowledgments if the server cryptographic handshake
+messages are delayed or lost.  Note that the same limitation applies to other
+data sent by the server protected by the 1-RTT keys.
+
+Unprotected packets, such as those that carry the initial cryptographic
+handshake messages, MAY be acknowledged in unprotected packets.  Unprotected
+packets are vulnerable to falsification or modification.  Unprotected packets
+can be acknowledged along with protected packets in cases where the peer has
+packet protection keys.
+
+An endpoint SHOULD acknowledge packets containing cryptographic handshake
+messages in the next unprotected packet that it sends, unless it is able to
+acknowledge those packets in later packets.  Those later packets might be

I still find the end of this sentence confusing ", unless it is able to acknowledge those packets in later packets."?  

"...unless it is able to acknowledge those packets in later packets protected by 1-RTT keys." would be much better.

> +messages are delayed or lost.  Note that the same limitation applies to other
+data sent by the server protected by the 1-RTT keys.
+
+Unprotected packets, such as those that carry the initial cryptographic
+handshake messages, MAY be acknowledged in unprotected packets.  Unprotected
+packets are vulnerable to falsification or modification.  Unprotected packets
+can be acknowledged along with protected packets in cases where the peer has
+packet protection keys.
+
+An endpoint SHOULD acknowledge packets containing cryptographic handshake
+messages in the next unprotected packet that it sends, unless it is able to
+acknowledge those packets in later packets.  Those later packets might be
+protected by 1-RTT keys.  At the completion of the cryptographic handshake, both
+peers send unprotected packets containing cryptographic handshake messages
+followed by packets protected by 1-RTT keys.  An endpoint can acknowledge the
+unprotected packets in a protected packet, because the peer has access to 1-RTT

This seems redundant to the sentence in the last paragraph talking about acking unprotected and protected packets together.  If you're going to keep it, maybe change can to SHOULD?

> +messages in the next unprotected packet that it sends, unless it is able to
+acknowledge those packets in later packets.  Those later packets might be
+protected by 1-RTT keys.  At the completion of the cryptographic handshake, both
+peers send unprotected packets containing cryptographic handshake messages
+followed by packets protected by 1-RTT keys.  An endpoint can acknowledge the
+unprotected packets in a protected packet, because the peer has access to 1-RTT
+packet protection keys.
+
+For instance, a server acknowledges a TLS ClientHello in the packet that carries
+the TLS ServerHello; similarly, a client can acknowledge a TLS HelloRetryRequest
+in the packet containing a second TLS ClientHello.  The complete set of server
+handshake messages (TLS ServerHello through to Finished) might be acknowledged
+by a client in protected packets, because it is certain that the server is able
+to decipher the packet.
+
+It is critical to not protect packets containing acknowledgements for handshake

This paragraph is mostly redundant to the other 0RTT paragraph above.

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/336#discussion_r105020049">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1438,6 +1438,51 @@ actual exponent is one-less than the explicit exponent, and the value represents
 to 0xFFFF.
 
 
+### ACK Frames and Packet Protection
+
+ACK frames that acknowledge protected packets MUST be carried in a packet that
+has an equivalent or greater level of packet protection.
+
+Packets that are protected with 1-RTT keys MUST be acknowledged in packets that
+are also protected with 1-RTT keys.
+
+A packet that is not protected and claims to acknowledge a packet number that
+was sent with packet protection is not valid.  An unprotected packet that
+carries acknowledgments for protected packets MUST be discarded in its entirety.
</pre>
<p>In practice, discarding previously processed frames in a packet once an invalid ack is discovered is somewhat difficult.  I think it's the right suggestion, but I worry it won't be implemented correctly.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/336#discussion_r105020457">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +are also protected with 1-RTT keys.
+
+A packet that is not protected and claims to acknowledge a packet number that
+was sent with packet protection is not valid.  An unprotected packet that
+carries acknowledgments for protected packets MUST be discarded in its entirety.
+
+Packets that a client sends with 0-RTT packet protection MUST be acknowledged by
+the server in packets protected by 1-RTT keys.  This can mean that the client is
+unable to use these acknowledgments if the server cryptographic handshake
+messages are delayed or lost.  Note that the same limitation applies to other
+data sent by the server protected by the 1-RTT keys.
+
+Unprotected packets, such as those that carry the initial cryptographic
+handshake messages, MAY be acknowledged in unprotected packets.  Unprotected
+packets are vulnerable to falsification or modification.  Unprotected packets
+can be acknowledged along with protected packets in cases where the peer has
</pre>
<p>You're implying that the unprotected packets are acknowledged along with protected packets in a protected packet, but I think it'd be clearer to say "...along with protected packets in a protected packet."</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/336#discussion_r105020882">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +
+Packets that a client sends with 0-RTT packet protection MUST be acknowledged by
+the server in packets protected by 1-RTT keys.  This can mean that the client is
+unable to use these acknowledgments if the server cryptographic handshake
+messages are delayed or lost.  Note that the same limitation applies to other
+data sent by the server protected by the 1-RTT keys.
+
+Unprotected packets, such as those that carry the initial cryptographic
+handshake messages, MAY be acknowledged in unprotected packets.  Unprotected
+packets are vulnerable to falsification or modification.  Unprotected packets
+can be acknowledged along with protected packets in cases where the peer has
+packet protection keys.
+
+An endpoint SHOULD acknowledge packets containing cryptographic handshake
+messages in the next unprotected packet that it sends, unless it is able to
+acknowledge those packets in later packets.  Those later packets might be
</pre>
<p>I still find the end of this sentence confusing ", unless it is able to acknowledge those packets in later packets."?</p>
<p>"...unless it is able to acknowledge those packets in later packets protected by 1-RTT keys." would be much better.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/336#discussion_r105021518">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +messages are delayed or lost.  Note that the same limitation applies to other
+data sent by the server protected by the 1-RTT keys.
+
+Unprotected packets, such as those that carry the initial cryptographic
+handshake messages, MAY be acknowledged in unprotected packets.  Unprotected
+packets are vulnerable to falsification or modification.  Unprotected packets
+can be acknowledged along with protected packets in cases where the peer has
+packet protection keys.
+
+An endpoint SHOULD acknowledge packets containing cryptographic handshake
+messages in the next unprotected packet that it sends, unless it is able to
+acknowledge those packets in later packets.  Those later packets might be
+protected by 1-RTT keys.  At the completion of the cryptographic handshake, both
+peers send unprotected packets containing cryptographic handshake messages
+followed by packets protected by 1-RTT keys.  An endpoint can acknowledge the
+unprotected packets in a protected packet, because the peer has access to 1-RTT
</pre>
<p>This seems redundant to the sentence in the last paragraph talking about acking unprotected and protected packets together.  If you're going to keep it, maybe change can to SHOULD?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/336#discussion_r105021808">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +messages in the next unprotected packet that it sends, unless it is able to
+acknowledge those packets in later packets.  Those later packets might be
+protected by 1-RTT keys.  At the completion of the cryptographic handshake, both
+peers send unprotected packets containing cryptographic handshake messages
+followed by packets protected by 1-RTT keys.  An endpoint can acknowledge the
+unprotected packets in a protected packet, because the peer has access to 1-RTT
+packet protection keys.
+
+For instance, a server acknowledges a TLS ClientHello in the packet that carries
+the TLS ServerHello; similarly, a client can acknowledge a TLS HelloRetryRequest
+in the packet containing a second TLS ClientHello.  The complete set of server
+handshake messages (TLS ServerHello through to Finished) might be acknowledged
+by a client in protected packets, because it is certain that the server is able
+to decipher the packet.
+
+It is critical to not protect packets containing acknowledgements for handshake
</pre>
<p>This paragraph is mostly redundant to the other 0RTT paragraph above.</p>

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janaiyengar approved this pull request.

one nit, but lgtm



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<p><b>@janaiyengar</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>one nit, but lgtm</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Fixing recovery references


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Fixing recovery references


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I think that it's past time to acknowledge that this isn't anything like h2.  We should do two things:

1. port h2 extensions that matter (like ALTSVC)

2. provide advice for porting h2 extensions

Yeah, that sucks, but we can't provide the same guarantees for extensions, so we can't guarantee that extensions will be be the same.

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<p>I think that it's past time to acknowledge that this isn't anything li=
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<p>Yeah, that sucks, but we can't provide the same guarantees for extensi=
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Well, both are absolute, but you are right, there isn't much value in increasing the amount of data available to individual streams.

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  Fixing recovery references


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  Merge pull request #372 from quicwg/ianswett-recovery-refs

Fixing recovery references


  Commit: 5d9e469fdfef8d9729a18673842b0d856e142677
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5d9e469fdfef8d9729a18673842b0d856e142677
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M Makefile

  Log Message:
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  Avoid counting line length on tables; remove errant carriage return characters


  Commit: 77aec4850c47462eb7aabf83df0c10f9beeb914c
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/77aec4850c47462eb7aabf83df0c10f9beeb914c
  Author: Mike Bishop <michbish@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into http_extensions


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/dfdb34e918b6...77aec4850c47
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Don't we already have a problem if a sender sends a STREAM frame that overlaps with what has already been sent.  For example, you can't just count STREAM frame sizes if you receive octets 0-10 and 5-15 for the same stream.  That's possibly already a problem receivers have to handle because it's just a generalized form of receiving 0-10 twice.

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<p>Don't we already have a problem if a sender sends a STREAM frame that ov=
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> @@ -1438,6 +1438,51 @@ actual exponent is one-less than the explicit exponent, and the value represents
 to 0xFFFF.
 
 
+### ACK Frames and Packet Protection
+
+ACK frames that acknowledge protected packets MUST be carried in a packet that
+has an equivalent or greater level of packet protection.
+
+Packets that are protected with 1-RTT keys MUST be acknowledged in packets that
+are also protected with 1-RTT keys.
+
+A packet that is not protected and claims to acknowledge a packet number that
+was sent with packet protection is not valid.  An unprotected packet that
+carries acknowledgments for protected packets MUST be discarded in its entirety.

That was the only thing that made me hesitate to even write this down.  Let's see how things go.  If people find themselves violating this rule, then we will need to come up with some better rules.  In practice, I think that the only thing that needs to happen is that the STREAM frames don't get passed along to the next layer.  That should be easy-ish to ensure.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/336#discussion_r105052280">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1438,6 +1438,51 @@ actual exponent is one-less than the explicit exponent, and the value represents
 to 0xFFFF.
 
 
+### ACK Frames and Packet Protection
+
+ACK frames that acknowledge protected packets MUST be carried in a packet that
+has an equivalent or greater level of packet protection.
+
+Packets that are protected with 1-RTT keys MUST be acknowledged in packets that
+are also protected with 1-RTT keys.
+
+A packet that is not protected and claims to acknowledge a packet number that
+was sent with packet protection is not valid.  An unprotected packet that
+carries acknowledgments for protected packets MUST be discarded in its entirety.
</pre>
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> +messages in the next unprotected packet that it sends, unless it is able to
+acknowledge those packets in later packets.  Those later packets might be
+protected by 1-RTT keys.  At the completion of the cryptographic handshake, both
+peers send unprotected packets containing cryptographic handshake messages
+followed by packets protected by 1-RTT keys.  An endpoint can acknowledge the
+unprotected packets in a protected packet, because the peer has access to 1-RTT
+packet protection keys.
+
+For instance, a server acknowledges a TLS ClientHello in the packet that carries
+the TLS ServerHello; similarly, a client can acknowledge a TLS HelloRetryRequest
+in the packet containing a second TLS ClientHello.  The complete set of server
+handshake messages (TLS ServerHello through to Finished) might be acknowledged
+by a client in protected packets, because it is certain that the server is able
+to decipher the packet.
+
+It is critical to not protect packets containing acknowledgements for handshake

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/336#discussion_r105052748">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +messages in the next unprotected packet that it sends, unless it is able to
+acknowledge those packets in later packets.  Those later packets might be
+protected by 1-RTT keys.  At the completion of the cryptographic handshake, both
+peers send unprotected packets containing cryptographic handshake messages
+followed by packets protected by 1-RTT keys.  An endpoint can acknowledge the
+unprotected packets in a protected packet, because the peer has access to 1-RTT
+packet protection keys.
+
+For instance, a server acknowledges a TLS ClientHello in the packet that carries
+the TLS ServerHello; similarly, a client can acknowledge a TLS HelloRetryRequest
+in the packet containing a second TLS ClientHello.  The complete set of server
+handshake messages (TLS ServerHello through to Finished) might be acknowledged
+by a client in protected packets, because it is certain that the server is able
+to decipher the packet.
+
+It is critical to not protect packets containing acknowledgements for handshake
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<p>Removed.</p>

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martinthomson commented on this pull request.



> +messages are delayed or lost.  Note that the same limitation applies to other
+data sent by the server protected by the 1-RTT keys.
+
+Unprotected packets, such as those that carry the initial cryptographic
+handshake messages, MAY be acknowledged in unprotected packets.  Unprotected
+packets are vulnerable to falsification or modification.  Unprotected packets
+can be acknowledged along with protected packets in cases where the peer has
+packet protection keys.
+
+An endpoint SHOULD acknowledge packets containing cryptographic handshake
+messages in the next unprotected packet that it sends, unless it is able to
+acknowledge those packets in later packets.  Those later packets might be
+protected by 1-RTT keys.  At the completion of the cryptographic handshake, both
+peers send unprotected packets containing cryptographic handshake messages
+followed by packets protected by 1-RTT keys.  An endpoint can acknowledge the
+unprotected packets in a protected packet, because the peer has access to 1-RTT

Yep, willdo.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/336#discussion_r105052772">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +messages are delayed or lost.  Note that the same limitation applies to other
+data sent by the server protected by the 1-RTT keys.
+
+Unprotected packets, such as those that carry the initial cryptographic
+handshake messages, MAY be acknowledged in unprotected packets.  Unprotected
+packets are vulnerable to falsification or modification.  Unprotected packets
+can be acknowledged along with protected packets in cases where the peer has
+packet protection keys.
+
+An endpoint SHOULD acknowledge packets containing cryptographic handshake
+messages in the next unprotected packet that it sends, unless it is able to
+acknowledge those packets in later packets.  Those later packets might be
+protected by 1-RTT keys.  At the completion of the cryptographic handshake, both
+peers send unprotected packets containing cryptographic handshake messages
+followed by packets protected by 1-RTT keys.  An endpoint can acknowledge the
+unprotected packets in a protected packet, because the peer has access to 1-RTT
</pre>
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  Branch: refs/heads/ack_protection
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Adding section on packet protection rules


  Commit: d136165e5244b490dfbcd41aa36193808a719f14
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  Log Message:
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  Restructure section to better address some of the concerns and add some explanation


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  Log Message:
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Adding section on packet protection rules


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  Restructure section to better address some of the concerns and add some explanation


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  Ian's suggestions.


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  Merge pull request #336 from quicwg/ack_protection

Adding section on packet protection rules


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@ianswett fixed all of these.  Though there appears to be a bug in kramdown-rfc2629 that causes the reference to RFC5827 to be munged.  I'll open a bug for that, where I will recommend that we move that reference to text.

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Reopened #146.

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<p>Reopened <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/146" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/146" data-id="200565658" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#146</a>.</p>

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Except no one actually *did* remove the error code.  Reopening to track that.

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<p>Except no one actually <em>did</em> remove the error code.  Reopening to track that.</p>

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FWIW, it's not even clear that kramdown-rfc2629 is at fault here.  It's current behaviour is surprising, but I don't believe it necessary for references in figures to work.

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<p>FWIW, it's not even clear that kramdown-rfc2629 is at fault here.  It's current behaviour is surprising, but I don't believe it necessary for references in figures to work.</p>

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That's true; I misremembered the resolution to #146.  Yes, the "sum of STREAM frames" has to come after duplicate detection -- it probably actually gets updated at the point where you add the new data into the buffer.

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  Branch: refs/heads/overlapping_data
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 1a711c43b2008fa1f012b6146e0ca6c40c0fb78d
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1a711c43b2008fa1f012b6146e0ca6c40c0fb78d
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Remove QUIC_OVERLAPPING_STREAM_DATA

Closes #146



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That's more or less the direction I'm heading in #363, though I've still got the joint IANA frame type / setting registry.  Have a section that talks about where we're similar and where we're different.  There's already advice on porting extensions, though it could probably be expanded.

Are you advocating we simply leave the HTTP/2 registry alone and start fresh?

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@MikeBishop pushed 1 commit.

5a93487  Missed a merge conflict instance


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  Branch: refs/heads/http_extensions
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 5a93487f7d807e704af9d6e44789804930d04675
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5a93487f7d807e704af9d6e44789804930d04675
  Author: Mike Bishop <michbish@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

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An [oddity in kramdown-rfc2629](https://github.com/cabo/kramdown-rfc2629/issues/38) causes references to be busted when they are included in figures.  Let's not tempt fate and instead move the reference to text, where it can be better framed.

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<p>An <a href="https://github.com/cabo/kramdown-rfc2629/issues/38">oddity in kramdown-rfc2629</a> causes references to be busted when they are included in figures.  Let's not tempt fate and instead move the reference to text, where it can be better framed.</p>

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That's what I'm advocating :)  But I've been advocating that for a while.

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<p>That's what I'm advocating :)  But I've been advocating that for a while.</p>

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@mnot - given the new semantics, does this still need to be open?  We have a proposal in the draft that preserves the semantics of HTTP CONNECT, and we have a use case.

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<p><a href="https://github.com/mnot" class="user-mention">@mnot</a> - given the new semantics, does this still need to be open?  We have a proposal in the draft that preserves the semantics of HTTP CONNECT, and we have a use case.</p>

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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f550e843b030980c130b22a416ee9b9aeeab45e0
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Forgot to add the line number hack


  Commit: 21a0b360ff491681221ee238076a4af6251a5b33
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/21a0b360ff491681221ee238076a4af6251a5b33
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #365 from quicwg/linecount2

Count line length differently


  Commit: 20c16d5cd752b432af6ebbf2b33fa0f967642b47
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/20c16d5cd752b432af6ebbf2b33fa0f967642b47
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Make trailing whitespace check nicer


  Commit: 9d5f7bbcf7cdac968c1d7fa0ab50556de3238b8f
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9d5f7bbcf7cdac968c1d7fa0ab50556de3238b8f
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge branch 'linecount2'


  Commit: 06d8cf31dc1c323cfa13ec9812beabad5544a3f4
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/06d8cf31dc1c323cfa13ec9812beabad5544a3f4
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Don't ACK the ACK


  Commit: daaae83d9c64c951306e3a06f061894c8e92818c
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/daaae83d9c64c951306e3a06f061894c8e92818c
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

  Log Message:
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  Make loss detection make more sense


  Commit: f68e9f475d5d221fa1090dbe9e63a737e3f4ba69
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f68e9f475d5d221fa1090dbe9e63a737e3f4ba69
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

  Log Message:
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  Minor update.


  Commit: ed1613e136cc974f6cba2d4fc0219b0ef031bf21
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ed1613e136cc974f6cba2d4fc0219b0ef031bf21
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

  Log Message:
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  Fix a long line.


  Commit: 8991da2db50cf31d0700ac709903d6ab48f2f195
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8991da2db50cf31d0700ac709903d6ab48f2f195
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

  Log Message:
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  Fix a long line


  Commit: be28bd34ef88282b688cab3ea84a9b2d584fc487
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/be28bd34ef88282b688cab3ea84a9b2d584fc487
  Author: janaiyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #369 from quicwg/ianswett-patch-4

Make loss detection make more sense


  Commit: 9704ac7bba64b247377a11331e408c7db1e77f8b
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9704ac7bba64b247377a11331e408c7db1e77f8b
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  ACK or PADDING


  Commit: f441d3433d70db24a5b42756698ac31f262427a8
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f441d3433d70db24a5b42756698ac31f262427a8
  Author: janaiyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #366 from quicwg/ackack

Don't ACK the ACK


  Commit: dde2d743001cfc17d3b171829c03b6d628453359
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dde2d743001cfc17d3b171829c03b6d628453359
  Author: janaiyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #357 from quicwg/reformatting

Use definition lists more


  Commit: 5fc8ca14c7097e4fff2b8092d1be11cf18785b37
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5fc8ca14c7097e4fff2b8092d1be11cf18785b37
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Remove STOP_WAITING frame


  Commit: a3cae53ea55d7db74cdecd0622447c5ba229f2ec
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a3cae53ea55d7db74cdecd0622447c5ba229f2ec
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md


  Commit: e9186cc0994f86d482fbba8e7d144c950242f014
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e9186cc0994f86d482fbba8e7d144c950242f014
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md


  Commit: d27fbd4cc84e1412b3796aa46da9d64029e29b9a
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d27fbd4cc84e1412b3796aa46da9d64029e29b9a
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Martin's comments.


  Commit: a6b17b0b83edfd3c412a22bc0027d0a00bf999d2
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a6b17b0b83edfd3c412a22bc0027d0a00bf999d2
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Reword ACK acking text, integrate Jana's comments


  Commit: 0f792f6afaf03cef6078e4a88c943569ed5e03fc
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0f792f6afaf03cef6078e4a88c943569ed5e03fc
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #358 from quicwg/ianswett-patch-2

Remove STOP_WAITING frame


  Commit: 5b04cd247f8b1194b7ba5b99c0ceda0376ea09fb
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5b04cd247f8b1194b7ba5b99c0ceda0376ea09fb
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #338 from quicwg/one_packet_hello

ClientHello needs to fit in a single packet


  Commit: 31249bed9680c28ff802977ac316b5485f958001
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/31249bed9680c28ff802977ac316b5485f958001
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  GOAWAY needs a maximum stream number in both directions

I have also taken the liberty of making the text that matches this
more directly applicable.


  Commit: 72dcfe09cf8adb8a1367d30b683f1a4746fa05ae
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/72dcfe09cf8adb8a1367d30b683f1a4746fa05ae
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Advice on use of GOAWAY during error handling


  Commit: 1ac4b8c77329405174c7961106fee903d8583a7b
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1ac4b8c77329405174c7961106fee903d8583a7b
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Fix nits


  Commit: 13a14f8577ebc51ac69a48195f2e364f15090958
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/13a14f8577ebc51ac69a48195f2e364f15090958
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  I've taken feedback from #355.

I have also added text that captures something we learned late in the HTTP/2
experience.  GOAWAY pre-emptively closes streams, but for peer-initiated
streams it might make sense to use a bigger number to allow any requests that
the peer created in the last round trip to complete.  Some implementations find
retrying quite difficult and allowing (for example) a client's last set of
requests to complete can make the shutdown properly graceful (as opposed to
toy-graceful).

The case where this matters is for a gateway to server, where the gateway can't
reasonably retry the 10,000 requests that it initiated in the last second. To
allow for that, the server can give the gateway a bit of extra leeway for those
streams when it sends a GOAWAY frame.


  Commit: ee7b808e0a2d803b052173b14877fa6f0719e011
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ee7b808e0a2d803b052173b14877fa6f0719e011
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  s/Last/Largest/ and improve conditions on a triggered GOAWAY


  Commit: 2c716f80a9b12fff4495c7ad8f92a554500df722
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2c716f80a9b12fff4495c7ad8f92a554500df722
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Remove GOAWAY echo


  Commit: 6fcb7f9340f18afef6337e1abf54714faa3652bd
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6fcb7f9340f18afef6337e1abf54714faa3652bd
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Remove error code and reason phrase from GOAWAY


  Commit: 14bd3a6de622af2855942a9f3802a86dca53efcc
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/14bd3a6de622af2855942a9f3802a86dca53efcc
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Clarify the Timestamps section


  Commit: 62b0ca754a8583552f188c718508e40cc23ae808
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/62b0ca754a8583552f188c718508e40cc23ae808
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  upcase "ack" and remove some trailing whitespace


  Commit: 70826446372c31e08f23b87e5629d4c59be75650
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/70826446372c31e08f23b87e5629d4c59be75650
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Clarify timestamp ordering


  Commit: fc4097a3546303ec73dcc8bc7726ea7d279a87be
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fc4097a3546303ec73dcc8bc7726ea7d279a87be
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Jana's review comments


  Commit: 2a7003c2c740f4c66de83d040c3559ac3f4cc46f
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2a7003c2c740f4c66de83d040c3559ac3f4cc46f
  Author: Mike Bishop <michael.bishop@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

  Log Message:
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  Restrict RST to data streams; consider control streams critical (#274)

* Restrict RST to data streams
* Remove replay requirement; add error code
* Discuss truncated frames.  Fixes #364.


  Commit: 77ee29bc3e9ec363ae5d8482544b56c38ee29603
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/77ee29bc3e9ec363ae5d8482544b56c38ee29603
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Narrow the packet number encoding range requirement to one that is based on mathematics (#356)


  Commit: 3afbc94a289d7e73daebf943140e058202cc1967
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3afbc94a289d7e73daebf943140e058202cc1967
  Author: janaiyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #355 from quicwg/goaway_for_no_reason

Remove error code and reason phrase from GOAWAY


  Commit: 1a663709f824b947e20200e09760939030b0bec7
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1a663709f824b947e20200e09760939030b0bec7
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

  Log Message:
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  Fixing recovery references


  Commit: c53188de83e5f347abafaf2210a5c736b4911272
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c53188de83e5f347abafaf2210a5c736b4911272
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

  Log Message:
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  Make all TCP references informative


  Commit: 3dbbbf1227b359681850fddd631f389379655d73
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3dbbbf1227b359681850fddd631f389379655d73
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

  Log Message:
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  Trailing whitespace


  Commit: d8fe92d4671fe239d200a957f2129b7dff525d8b
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d8fe92d4671fe239d200a957f2129b7dff525d8b
  Author: janaiyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #372 from quicwg/ianswett-recovery-refs

Fixing recovery references


  Commit: 5d9e469fdfef8d9729a18673842b0d856e142677
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5d9e469fdfef8d9729a18673842b0d856e142677
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M Makefile

  Log Message:
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  Avoid counting line length on tables; remove errant carriage return characters


  Commit: 28690ebc1b7a296b7577c2e9e2586a32ca66b3c4
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/28690ebc1b7a296b7577c2e9e2586a32ca66b3c4
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Adding section on packet protection rules


  Commit: d136165e5244b490dfbcd41aa36193808a719f14
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d136165e5244b490dfbcd41aa36193808a719f14
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Restructure section to better address some of the concerns and add some explanation


  Commit: 97860db248ee5f225ab733d3092f972f18840c80
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/97860db248ee5f225ab733d3092f972f18840c80
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Ian's suggestions.


  Commit: f287271c3aaa2c51965965cf47b25ee0e759e3d6
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f287271c3aaa2c51965965cf47b25ee0e759e3d6
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  @ianswett review comments


  Commit: e2f3140546a64fdbe9b69a2527ceb12ec1fd0e57
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e2f3140546a64fdbe9b69a2527ceb12ec1fd0e57
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #336 from quicwg/ack_protection

Adding section on packet protection rules


  Commit: 1b7a0d59f5d4291d30c64137e12d9c610096b4dc
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1b7a0d59f5d4291d30c64137e12d9c610096b4dc
  Author: Mike Bishop <michbish@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

  Log Message:
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  No 64-bit streams, so no TODO.


  Commit: dccd3f35ee751937b06f0ea48c8f1e342e79bab6
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dccd3f35ee751937b06f0ea48c8f1e342e79bab6
  Author: Mike Bishop <michbish@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M CONTRIBUTING.md
    M Makefile
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into request_rst


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/d4f77df3f9c2...dccd3f35ee75
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dccd3f3  Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into request_rst


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  Branch: refs/heads/request_rst
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  Changed paths:
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 1b7a0d59f5d4291d30c64137e12d9c610096b4dc
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1b7a0d59f5d4291d30c64137e12d9c610096b4dc
  Author: Mike Bishop <michbish@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

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  No 64-bit streams, so no TODO.



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> +
+Other Server Cleartext packets contain:
+
+* Octet 0: 0x85 (Flags indicating Long header and appropriate server Cleartext
+  packet type)
+* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (echoed)
+* Octets 9-12: Packet Number (low 4 octets, random 31-bit initial value)
+* Octets 13-16: Version (echoed)
+* Octets 17+: Payload
+
+The client MUST choose a random value and use it as the Connection ID until the
+server replies with a server-selected Connection ID. Server-selected Connection
+IDs are used after a successful handshake, cleanly distinguishing packets that
+use them from packets using client-selected Connection IDs. All packets
+including and following a Server Cleartext End-of-Handshake packet use a
+server-selected Connection ID, as described in {{connection-id}}.

Simplified all this significantly, and moved descriptions down to prose below the layouts.

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<p><b>@janaiyengar</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r105059300">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +
+Other Server Cleartext packets contain:
+
+* Octet 0: 0x85 (Flags indicating Long header and appropriate server Cleartext
+  packet type)
+* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (echoed)
+* Octets 9-12: Packet Number (low 4 octets, random 31-bit initial value)
+* Octets 13-16: Version (echoed)
+* Octets 17+: Payload
+
+The client MUST choose a random value and use it as the Connection ID until the
+server replies with a server-selected Connection ID. Server-selected Connection
+IDs are used after a successful handshake, cleanly distinguishing packets that
+use them from packets using client-selected Connection IDs. All packets
+including and following a Server Cleartext End-of-Handshake packet use a
+server-selected Connection ID, as described in {{connection-id}}.
</pre>
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>  
 
-## Packet Numbers
+## Connection ID {#connection-id}
+
+QUIC connections are identified by their 64-bit Connection ID. All long headers
+contain a Connection ID. Short headers indicate the presence of a Connection ID
+using the CONNECTION_ID flag. When present, the Connection ID is in the same
+location in all packet headers, making it straightforward for middleboxes, such
+as load balancers, to locate and use it.
+
+When a connection is initiated, the client MUST choose a random value and use it
+as the Connection ID in all Cleartext packets and all 0-RTT Encrypted
+packets. The client's Connection ID is a suggestion to the server. The server
+echoes this value in all packets until the handshake is successful (see
+{{QUIC-TLS}}. In its final successful handshake completion packet, the server

clarified and changed text. Yes there can be several Final packets, and the server-selected value is used for all of them. 

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r105059665">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
 
-## Packet Numbers
+## Connection ID {#connection-id}
+
+QUIC connections are identified by their 64-bit Connection ID. All long headers
+contain a Connection ID. Short headers indicate the presence of a Connection ID
+using the CONNECTION_ID flag. When present, the Connection ID is in the same
+location in all packet headers, making it straightforward for middleboxes, such
+as load balancers, to locate and use it.
+
+When a connection is initiated, the client MUST choose a random value and use it
+as the Connection ID in all Cleartext packets and all 0-RTT Encrypted
+packets. The client&#39;s Connection ID is a suggestion to the server. The server
+echoes this value in all packets until the handshake is successful (see
+{{QUIC-TLS}}. In its final successful handshake completion packet, the server
</pre>
<p>clarified and changed text. Yes there can be several Final packets, and the server-selected value is used for all of them.</p>

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The flow control one might run afoul of attacks like [HEIST](https://www.blackhat.com/docs/us-16/materials/us-16-VanGoethem-HEIST-HTTP-Encrypted-Information-Can-Be-Stolen-Through-TCP-Windows-wp.pdf) which benefit from being able to observe flow control.

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>  
-The fields in the Common Header are the following:
+Long headers are used for packets that are sent prior to the completion of
+version negotiation or are not encrypted with 1-RTT keys. Once both conditions

There's no way to send those packets otherwise, so this is definitional. I don't think we need to mandate behavior when no alternative is present.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r105061074">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-The fields in the Common Header are the following:
+Long headers are used for packets that are sent prior to the completion of
+version negotiation or are not encrypted with 1-RTT keys. Once both conditions
</pre>
<p>There's no way to send those packets otherwise, so this is definitional. I don't think we need to mandate behavior when no alternative is present.</p>

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>  
+: The second bit (0x40) of octet 0 indicates whether the connection ID field is
+  present.  If set to 1, then the connection ID field is present; if set to 0,
+  the connection ID field is zero length.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r105061134">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
+: The second bit (0x40) of octet 0 indicates whether the connection ID field is
+  present.  If set to 1, then the connection ID field is present; if set to 0,
+  the connection ID field is zero length.
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> +can be generated as a function of values that will be available to the server
+when later generating its handshake packets.
+
+A pseudorandom function that takes client address information (IP and port) and
+the client selected version as input would ensure that there is sufficient
+variability in the values that a server uses.
+
+A client MAY send a packet using a reserved version number.  This can be used to
+solicit a list of supported versions from a server.
+
+See {{version-negotiation}} for a description of the version negotiation
+process.
+
+## Public Reset Packet {#public-reset-packet}
+
+A Public Reset packet is sent by only a server and is used to abruptly terminate

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r105061386">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +can be generated as a function of values that will be available to the server
+when later generating its handshake packets.
+
+A pseudorandom function that takes client address information (IP and port) and
+the client selected version as input would ensure that there is sufficient
+variability in the values that a server uses.
+
+A client MAY send a packet using a reserved version number.  This can be used to
+solicit a list of supported versions from a server.
+
+See {{version-negotiation}} for a description of the version negotiation
+process.
+
+## Public Reset Packet {#public-reset-packet}
+
+A Public Reset packet is sent by only a server and is used to abruptly terminate
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> +the client selected version as input would ensure that there is sufficient
+variability in the values that a server uses.
+
+A client MAY send a packet using a reserved version number.  This can be used to
+solicit a list of supported versions from a server.
+
+See {{version-negotiation}} for a description of the version negotiation
+process.
+
+## Public Reset Packet {#public-reset-packet}
+
+A Public Reset packet is sent by only a server and is used to abruptly terminate
+communications. Public Reset is provided as an option of last resort for a
+server that does not have access to the state of a connection.  This is intended
+for use by a server that has lost state (for example, through a crash or
+outage). A server that wishes to indicate fatal errors with a connection MUST

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<p><b>@janaiyengar</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r105061549">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +the client selected version as input would ensure that there is sufficient
+variability in the values that a server uses.
+
+A client MAY send a packet using a reserved version number.  This can be used to
+solicit a list of supported versions from a server.
+
+See {{version-negotiation}} for a description of the version negotiation
+process.
+
+## Public Reset Packet {#public-reset-packet}
+
+A Public Reset packet is sent by only a server and is used to abruptly terminate
+communications. Public Reset is provided as an option of last resort for a
+server that does not have access to the state of a connection.  This is intended
+for use by a server that has lost state (for example, through a crash or
+outage). A server that wishes to indicate fatal errors with a connection MUST
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> @@ -782,7 +758,86 @@ HTTP_MULTIPLE_SETTINGS (0x10):
 HTTP_RST_CONTROL_STREAM (0x11):
 : A message control stream closed abruptly.
 
-## Mapping HTTP/2 Error Codes
+
+# Considerations for Transitioning from HTTP/2
+
+HTTP/QUIC is strongly informed by HTTP/2, and bears many similarities.  This
+section points out useful differences from HTTP/2 and describes how to map

Not all the differences are useful.  I would use the word "important".

> +
+Many framing concepts from HTTP/2 can be elided away on QUIC, because the
+transport deals with them. Because frames are already on a stream, they can omit
+the stream number. Because frames do not block multiplexing (QUIC's multiplexing
+occurs below this layer), the support for variable-maximum-length packets can be
+removed. Because stream termination is handled by QUIC, an END_STREAM flag is
+not required.
+
+Frame payloads are largely drawn from {{!RFC7540}}. However, QUIC includes some
+features (e.g. flow control) which are also present in HTTP/2. In these cases,
+the HTTP mapping does not re-implement them. As a result, some frame types are
+not required in HTTP/QUIC. Where an HTTP/2-defined frame is no longer used, the
+frame ID has been reserved in order to maximize portability between HTTP/2 and
+HTTP/QUIC implementations. However, equivalent frames between the two mappings
+are not identical.
+

Another important difference is that while there is an absolute ordering between every frame in h2, this is not true for frames on different streams in QUIC.  You mention this below, but only obliquely.  I think that it's important enough for a paragraph.

> +- If there are assumptions that frames from different streams will still be
+  received in the order sent, HTTP/QUIC will break them.  (This is most easily
+  solved by sending all frames on the connection control stream and including
+  the affected stream number, but could also be solved in a frame-local method.)
+
+The IANA registry of frame types has been updated in {{iana-frames}} to include
+references to the definition for each frame type in HTTP/2 and in HTTP/QUIC.
+Frames not defined as available in HTTP/QUIC SHOULD NOT be sent and SHOULD be
+ignored as unknown on receipt.
+
+## HTTP/2 SETTINGS Parameters
+
+Some transport-level options that HTTP/2 specifies via the SETTINGS frame are
+superseded by QUIC transport parameters in HTTP/QUIC. The HTTP-level options
+that are retained in HTTP/QUIC have the same value as in HTTP/2.
+

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/363#discussion_r105061326">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -782,7 +758,86 @@ HTTP_MULTIPLE_SETTINGS (0x10):
 HTTP_RST_CONTROL_STREAM (0x11):
 : A message control stream closed abruptly.
 
-## Mapping HTTP/2 Error Codes
+
+# Considerations for Transitioning from HTTP/2
+
+HTTP/QUIC is strongly informed by HTTP/2, and bears many similarities.  This
+section points out useful differences from HTTP/2 and describes how to map
</pre>
<p>Not all the differences are useful.  I would use the word "important".</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/363#discussion_r105061474">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +
+Many framing concepts from HTTP/2 can be elided away on QUIC, because the
+transport deals with them. Because frames are already on a stream, they can omit
+the stream number. Because frames do not block multiplexing (QUIC&#39;s multiplexing
+occurs below this layer), the support for variable-maximum-length packets can be
+removed. Because stream termination is handled by QUIC, an END_STREAM flag is
+not required.
+
+Frame payloads are largely drawn from {{!RFC7540}}. However, QUIC includes some
+features (e.g. flow control) which are also present in HTTP/2. In these cases,
+the HTTP mapping does not re-implement them. As a result, some frame types are
+not required in HTTP/QUIC. Where an HTTP/2-defined frame is no longer used, the
+frame ID has been reserved in order to maximize portability between HTTP/2 and
+HTTP/QUIC implementations. However, equivalent frames between the two mappings
+are not identical.
+
</pre>
<p>Another important difference is that while there is an absolute ordering between every frame in h2, this is not true for frames on different streams in QUIC.  You mention this below, but only obliquely.  I think that it's important enough for a paragraph.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/363#discussion_r105061668">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +- If there are assumptions that frames from different streams will still be
+  received in the order sent, HTTP/QUIC will break them.  (This is most easily
+  solved by sending all frames on the connection control stream and including
+  the affected stream number, but could also be solved in a frame-local method.)
+
+The IANA registry of frame types has been updated in {{iana-frames}} to include
+references to the definition for each frame type in HTTP/2 and in HTTP/QUIC.
+Frames not defined as available in HTTP/QUIC SHOULD NOT be sent and SHOULD be
+ignored as unknown on receipt.
+
+## HTTP/2 SETTINGS Parameters
+
+Some transport-level options that HTTP/2 specifies via the SETTINGS frame are
+superseded by QUIC transport parameters in HTTP/QUIC. The HTTP-level options
+that are retained in HTTP/QUIC have the same value as in HTTP/2.
+
</pre>
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-The fields in the Common Header are the following:
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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r105061911">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-The fields in the Common Header are the following:
+Long headers are used for packets that are sent prior to the completion of
+version negotiation or are not encrypted with 1-RTT keys. Once both conditions
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Re 2, Flow control issues are to easily monitor end-to-end, and in QUIC not modifiable by middleboxes, so QUIC removes responsibility for flow control issues from the network operators entirely.  As a person who's debugged my share of flow control issues, I'm trying to imagine a case where you or a network operator would have to debug flow control issues with QUIC, and I can't come up with one.  

Re 3, That's congestion control's domain, not flow control(which uses BLOCKED), and definitely feels like it's in the sender's domain.  In most applications, the sender is congestion control limited a large portion of the time, so I wouldn't expect this to be a useful signal, as most connections would see it.

I'm not excited about putting ECE/CWR bits in the unencrypted portion of the packet, as I can't imagine a use case.

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<p>Re 2, Flow control issues are to easily monitor end-to-end, and in QUIC =
not modifiable by middleboxes, so QUIC removes responsibility for flow cont=
rol issues from the network operators entirely.  As a person who's debugged=
 my share of flow control issues, I'm trying to imagine a case where you or=
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I can't come up with one.</p>
<p>Re 3, That's congestion control's domain, not flow control(which uses BL=
OCKED), and definitely feels like it's in the sender's domain.  In most app=
lications, the sender is congestion control limited a large portion of the =
time, so I wouldn't expect this to be a useful signal, as most connections =
would see it.</p>
<p>I'm not excited about putting ECE/CWR bits in the unencrypted portion of=
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I agree that there is no action a middlebox can take on flow control. As I said above, I think this is a "stop worrying" bit when service providers are trying to diagnose performance issues, which is logistically hard to do at endpoints.

ECE/CWR in the public flags would be sort of like the LOSSDETECT bit, if we wanted to separate those signals. But I don't think it would hurt much to encrypt them, as long as LOSSDETECT is there.

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I understand the "stop worrying" bit, but I'm hoping flow control is rarely the limiting factor for QUIC.  TCP has suffered from a variety of flow control problems, but QUIC doesn't inherit any of those issues.

That's not to say all implementers of QUIC will implement flow control correctly, but it's more likely website A's upload performance will be awful than it will be a widespread problem.  As such, it's incentive compatible for both the client and server to implement flow control well, because otherwise performance will suffer.  

For example, I believe Chrome's flow control window is 8MB, which is vastly larger than the TCP defaults.

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<p>I understand the "stop worrying" bit, but I'm hoping flow control is rar=
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<p>That's not to say all implementers of QUIC will implement flow control c=
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<p>For example, I believe Chrome's flow control window is 8MB, which is vas=
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To add to what @ianswett says, Firefox uses a different strategy for h2.  While you might see flow control limits being hit on individual streams (push in particular), that doesn't mean that there is a problem.

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<p>To add to what <a href="https://github.com/ianswett" class="user-mention">@ianswett</a> says, Firefox uses a different strategy for h2.  While you might see flow control limits being hit on individual streams (push in particular), that doesn't mean that there is a problem.</p>

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I think that we should just land this now:

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<p>I think that we should just land this now:</p>
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Obviously if BLOCKED frames are exceedingly rare, then the it's not worth the real estate in the public header. But then, then (different issue) perhaps BLOCKED doesn't make any sense either. 

But if they're not exceedingly rare...
> As such, it's incentive compatible for both the client and server to implement flow control well, because otherwise performance will suffer.

This is true of TCP, too. HOL blocking problems are much diminished in QUIC, but not quite eliminated in the case of large streams.

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@martinduke, Google also proposed BLOCKED for h2.  You can see for yourself the results of that.

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  Branch: refs/heads/alert_plus_close
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: ae252cd70efe8b4a8a97273d0b662fe406de4bcd
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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
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  Changed paths:
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  Send a TLS alert when TLS encounters an error

Also rationalize the TLS error messages, which means removing most of them.

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Also rationalize the TLS error messages, which means removing most of them.

Closes #272
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-- Commit Summary --

  * Send a TLS alert when TLS encounters an error

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (93)

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<p>Also rationalize the TLS error messages, which means removing most of them.</p>
<p>Closes <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/272" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/272" data-id="206336025" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#272</a></p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Send a TLS alert when TLS encounters an error</li>
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  * Move references to RFC5827 to text

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    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (12)

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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-rfc5827
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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BLOCKED frames are rare, but tend to be isolated to a small number of services, which either are slow at consuming data or serve clients with much higher than average bandwidth.  As such, they serve as an excellent monitoring and debugging tool if you understand the full context.

If this was available in QUIC, what use cases would you expect it to help with?

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  Branch: refs/heads/http_extensions
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  Changed paths:
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  Consolidating more HTTP/2 text into the h2-considerations section


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<p><a href="https://github.com/MikeBishop" class="user-mention">@MikeBishop</a> pushed 2 commits.</p>

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> @@ -383,6 +383,12 @@ timeouts{{?RFC6298}} are an alarm based mechanism to recover from cases when
 there are outstanding retransmittable packets, but an acknowledgement has
 not been received in a timely manner.
 
+### Early Retransmit
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+Early retransmit  {{?RFC5827}} is implemented with a 1/4 RTT timer. It is

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> approved this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/375#discussion_r105071110">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -383,6 +383,12 @@ timeouts{{?RFC6298}} are an alarm based mechanism to recover from cases when
 there are outstanding retransmittable packets, but an acknowledgement has
 not been received in a timely manner.
 
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Addressed Martin's feedback, and consolidated more text into the new section.  If we want to switch to a new IANA registry, it's a fairly small step from here.

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<p>Addressed Martin's feedback, and consolidated more text into the new section.  If we want to switch to a new IANA registry, it's a fairly small step from here.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-rfc5827
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@ianswett pushed 1 commit.

0e72e28  Remove extra space


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Goes a step further than #363 by establishing separate IANA registries for HTTP/2 and HTTP/QUIC.  Fixes #81.
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  * Separate IANA registries

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    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (122)

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<p>Goes a step further than <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/363" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/363" data-id="212306824" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#363</a> by establishing separate IANA registries for HTTP/2 and HTTP/QUIC.  Fixes <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/81" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/81" data-id="194722956" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#81</a>.</p>

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I don't think it makes sense to only count the bytes received for connection-level flow control. It makes sense to check for flow control violations as early as possible, so if a peer receives a certain offset on a stream, it makes sense to account for *all* bytes up to that offset in connection level flow control, no matter if they have already been received or if they're still outstanding.
A more compelling reason is that the duplicate detection you mentioned above is not even possible, as we discussed in #146 when we considered the CONFLICTING_STREAM_DATA error (and this was one of the reasons we decided against this error).

Since the reply to a DISINTEREST frame is a RST_STREAM frame (which contains a final byte offset), I don't see any problems with connection-level flow control (I can't find ILubashev's suggestion in #171 that @MikeBishop is referring to though, so maybe I missed his point).

Just as a side note, this is how GQUIC and quic-go are doing connection-level flow control at the moment.

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<p>I don't think it makes sense to only count the bytes received for connec=
tion-level flow control. It makes sense to check for flow control violation=
s as early as possible, so if a peer receives a certain offset on a stream,=
 it makes sense to account for <em>all</em> bytes up to that offset in conn=
ection level flow control, no matter if they have already been received or =
if they're still outstanding.<br>
A more compelling reason is that the duplicate detection you mentioned abov=
e is not even possible, as we discussed in <a href=3D"https://github.com/qu=
icwg/base-drafts/issues/146" class=3D"issue-link js-issue-link" data-url=3D=
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rror (and this was one of the reasons we decided against this error).</p>
<p>Since the reply to a DISINTEREST frame is a RST_STREAM frame (which cont=
ains a final byte offset), I don't see any problems with connection-level f=
low control (I can't find ILubashev's suggestion in <a href=3D"https://gith=
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609" data-error-text=3D"Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text=3D=
"Issue title is private">#171</a> that <a href=3D"https://github.com/MikeBi=
shop" class=3D"user-mention">@MikeBishop</a> is referring to though, so may=
be I missed his point).</p>
<p>Just as a side note, this is how GQUIC and quic-go are doing connection-=
level flow control at the moment.</p>

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As discussed at length on the mailing list, I suggested what seemed like a minor improvement -- do not recommend sending RST_STREAM upon receipt of DISINTEREST, if your STREAM+FIN has already been ACKed.

This led to opening #370 with a suggestion to use max byte offset from STREAM/RST-STREAM frames for connection flow control instead of "sum-of-STREAM-except-RST_STREAM-is-special".

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I actually think that @marten-seemann is right to observe that accounting can (and should) use the last offset, but that's a separable issue.  It's good that we had the discussion.

What your suggestion does, @igorlord, is attach *actual semantics* to DISINTEREST.  This PR has basically no semantics.  Indeed, the message could be an HTTP-layer message (should it be?).  By allowing an endpoint to stop sending, this would add a rather complicated wrinkle to the stream state transition: if (peer has acknowledged the frame containing the last offset), then (receiving DISINTEREST closes the stream in that direction).  The other state transitions are all driven by the flow of packets in the other direction.  It's a fairly fundamental reduction in simplicity in exchange for not having to send a tiny frame.  That is, it saves some bytes by trading off complexity.

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The discussion was on the mailing list. I added a quick summary to #171.The most general form of the suggestion is:
1. Treating STREAM+FIN and STREAM_RST much more similarly (for the purposes of window accounting as well as other purposes)
2. Treating STREAM and STREAM+FIN/STREAM_RST similarly for the purposes of window accounting -- the topic of this issue.

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This is related to #353.

What would we expect endpoints to do upon the receipt of ICMP (or ICMPv6) Type=DestinationUnreachable?  For IPv6, that message has a large chunk of the original packet, proving that a path element sent it. For IPv4, there is very little entropy there (just your src port).

Can this be as trusted as PUBLIC_RESET by Clients? For IPv4 the answer is likely to be "no". For ipv6, I am not that sure. But there are real implications for clients that cannot just fall back to tcp.

If you ignore ICMP and keep retrying the dead server, you are very likely missing an opportunity to switch the server (switch to another IP offered by DNS).

If you do not ignore ICMP (especially ICMPv4) and try reopening the connection (using a different server IP), you are allowing using your client in a highly amplified reflection DDOS attack against the sever. The attacker just needs to send you a slow stream of forged ICMP to get you to keep re-opening/re-negotiating connections and retrying expensive requests.

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<p>This is related to <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/353" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/353" data-id="211254850" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#353</a>.</p>
<p>What would we expect endpoints to do upon the receipt of ICMP (or ICMPv6) Type=DestinationUnreachable?  For IPv6, that message has a large chunk of the original packet, proving that a path element sent it. For IPv4, there is very little entropy there (just your src port).</p>
<p>Can this be as trusted as PUBLIC_RESET by Clients? For IPv4 the answer is likely to be "no". For ipv6, I am not that sure. But there are real implications for clients that cannot just fall back to tcp.</p>
<p>If you ignore ICMP and keep retrying the dead server, you are very likely missing an opportunity to switch the server (switch to another IP offered by DNS).</p>
<p>If you do not ignore ICMP (especially ICMPv4) and try reopening the connection (using a different server IP), you are allowing using your client in a highly amplified reflection DDOS attack against the sever. The attacker just needs to send you a slow stream of forged ICMP to get you to keep re-opening/re-negotiating connections and retrying expensive requests.</p>

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We really need to be careful not to conflate "path dead" signals like this (their authenticity aside), with "connection dead" signals like Public Reset.

We could use the same advice we have for PMTUD: treat these packets with a degree of suspicion.

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I am also glad that something bigger than a resolution of this wrinkle alre=
ady came out of this discussion.
>=C2=A0if (peer has acknowledged the frame containing the
> last offset), then (receiving DISINTEREST closes the> stream in that dire=
ction)
This is incorrect. The claim is not merely about "last offset" but "STREAM+=
FIN frame" -- a subtle but important difference here. =C2=A0=C2=A0If (peer =
has acknowledged the STREAM+FIN frame), then the stream is already closed i=
n that direction (by the virtue of sending that STREAM+FIN). DISINTEREST ch=
anges nothing.
But you are correct -- I am treating DISINTEREST as having semantics. The p=
aragraph describing DISINTEREST states that the sender of DISINTERESTED *wi=
ll discard all subsequent STREAM frames for this stream*. The PR uses a low=
er case "will", which I am treating as MUST. The PR could probably be more =
definite on this point, and if it is not a MUST, then my suggestion is wron=
g.
I do think that this feature belongs in transport. This signal is important=
 for better utilization of bandwidth and resources. By having it in transpo=
rt, this frame is exempt from flow control and can be delivered faster. Als=
o, transport layer's library API must support this functionality anyway (st=
op buffering incoming data for this stream).

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I actually think that @marten-seemann is right to observe that accounting c=
an (and should) use the last offset, but that's a separable issue. It's goo=
d that we had the discussion.

What your suggestion does, @igorlord, is attach actual semantics to DISINTE=
REST. This PR has basically no semantics. Indeed, the message could be an H=
TTP-layer message (should it be?). By allowing an endpoint to stop sending,=
 this would add a rather complicated wrinkle to the stream state transition=
: if (peer has acknowledged the frame containing the last offset), then (re=
ceiving DISINTEREST closes the stream in that direction). The other state t=
ransitions are all driven by the flow of packets in the other direction. It=
's a fairly fundamental reduction in simplicity in exchange for not having =
to send a tiny frame. That is, it saves some bytes by trading off complexit=
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I am also glad that something bigger than a resolution of this wrinkle alre=
ady came out of this discussion.<br>
&gt;=C2=A0if (peer has acknowledged the frame containing the<br>
&gt; last offset), then (receiving DISINTEREST closes the&gt; stream in tha=
t direction)<br>
This is incorrect. The claim is not merely about &quot;last offset&quot; bu=
t &quot;STREAM+FIN frame&quot; -- a subtle but important difference here. =
=C2=A0=C2=A0If (peer has acknowledged the STREAM+FIN frame), then the strea=
m is already closed in that direction (by the virtue of sending that STREAM=
+FIN). DISINTEREST changes nothing.<br>
But you are correct -- I am treating DISINTEREST as having semantics. The p=
aragraph describing DISINTEREST states that the sender of DISINTERESTED *wi=
ll discard all subsequent STREAM frames for this stream*. The PR uses a low=
er case &quot;will&quot;, which I am treating as MUST. The PR could probabl=
y be more definite on this point, and if it is not a MUST, then my suggesti=
on is wrong.<br>
I do think that this feature belongs in transport. This signal is important=
 for better utilization of bandwidth and resources. By having it in transpo=
rt, this frame is exempt from flow control and can be delivered faster. Als=
o, transport layer&#39;s library API must support this functionality anyway=
 (stop buffering incoming data for this stream).<br>
<br>
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om&gt; wrote:   <br>
I actually think that @marten-seemann is right to observe that accounting c=
an (and should) use the last offset, but that&#39;s a separable issue. It&#=
39;s good that we had the discussion.<br>
<br>
What your suggestion does, @igorlord, is attach actual semantics to DISINTE=
REST. This PR has basically no semantics. Indeed, the message could be an H=
TTP-layer message (should it be?). By allowing an endpoint to stop sending,=
 this would add a rather complicated wrinkle to the stream state transition=
: if (peer has acknowledged the frame containing the last offset), then (re=
ceiving DISINTEREST closes the stream in that direction). The other state t=
ransitions are all driven by the flow of packets in the other direction. It=
&#39;s a fairly fundamental reduction in simplicity in exchange for not hav=
ing to send a tiny frame. That is, it saves some bytes by trading off compl=
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"ICMP(v6) Type=DestUnreach Op=PortUnreach" can mean "web sever application is restarting" vs PublicReset that can mean "web sever application just restarted". A dubious distinction.

Also, "treat these packets with a degree of suspicion" is hardly an actionable recommendation.

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  Branch: refs/heads/scale_connection_flow_control
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  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Flow control accounting uses the maximum data offset on each stream

Also, scales the connection-level flow control window by 1024

Closes #370, #340.



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Also, scales the connection-level flow control window by 1024

Closes #370, #340.

Note: I was just going to fix these separately, but they both hit exactly the same text.  Seemed like I might as well kill two birds.
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  * Flow control accounting uses the maximum data offset on each stream

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (65)

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<p>Also, scales the connection-level flow control window by 1024</p>
<p>Closes <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/370" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/370" data-id="212808104" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#370</a>, <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/340" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/340" data-id="209901949" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#340</a>.</p>
<p>Note: I was just going to fix these separately, but they both hit exactly the same text.  Seemed like I might as well kill two birds.</p>

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  <li>Flow control accounting uses the maximum data offset on each stream</li>
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Read the section on PMTUD for a definition of what that suspicion might manifest as.

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<p>Read the section on PMTUD for a definition of what that suspicion might manifest as.</p>

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I think that we have three choices:

1. this version: no real semantics, but still at the transport layer
2. move to HTTP on the basis that this is an HTTP special (I think that I'm somewhat swayed by @igorlord's arguments against doing this)
3. @igorlord's proposal of attaching semantics to this (which I remain opposed to on the basis of the complexity that it induces)

I think that this remains the best option.

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<p>I think that we have three choices:</p>
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<p>I think that this remains the best option.</p>

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> +  can be 1, 2 or 4 octets long depending on the short packet type.
+
+Encrypted Payload:
+
+: Packets with a short header always include a 1-RTT protected payload.
+
+The packet type in a short header currently determines only the size of the
+packet number field.  Additional types can be used to signal the presence of
+other fields.
+
+| Type | Packet Number Size     |
+|:-----|:-----------------------|
+| 01   | 1 octet                |
+| 02   | 2 octets               |
+| 03   | 4 octets               |
+{: #short-packet-types title="Short Header Packet Types"}

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<p><b>@janaiyengar</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r105097788">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +  can be 1, 2 or 4 octets long depending on the short packet type.
+
+Encrypted Payload:
+
+: Packets with a short header always include a 1-RTT protected payload.
+
+The packet type in a short header currently determines only the size of the
+packet number field.  Additional types can be used to signal the presence of
+other fields.
+
+| Type | Packet Number Size     |
+|:-----|:-----------------------|
+| 01   | 1 octet                |
+| 02   | 2 octets               |
+| 03   | 4 octets               |
+{: #short-packet-types title=&quot;Short Header Packet Types&quot;}
</pre>
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martinthomson commented on this pull request.



> +  can be 1, 2 or 4 octets long depending on the short packet type.
+
+Encrypted Payload:
+
+: Packets with a short header always include a 1-RTT protected payload.
+
+The packet type in a short header currently determines only the size of the
+packet number field.  Additional types can be used to signal the presence of
+other fields.
+
+| Type | Packet Number Size     |
+|:-----|:-----------------------|
+| 01   | 1 octet                |
+| 02   | 2 octets               |
+| 03   | 4 octets               |
+{: #short-packet-types title="Short Header Packet Types"}

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r105099241">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +  can be 1, 2 or 4 octets long depending on the short packet type.
+
+Encrypted Payload:
+
+: Packets with a short header always include a 1-RTT protected payload.
+
+The packet type in a short header currently determines only the size of the
+packet number field.  Additional types can be used to signal the presence of
+other fields.
+
+| Type | Packet Number Size     |
+|:-----|:-----------------------|
+| 01   | 1 octet                |
+| 02   | 2 octets               |
+| 03   | 4 octets               |
+{: #short-packet-types title=&quot;Short Header Packet Types&quot;}
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Thank you. Yes, that section gives ipv4 risk mitigation recommendations that can apply here as well. It would be nice to spell it out. It is also important to address ICMPv6 vs PR question.

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<p>Thank you. Yes, that section gives ipv4 risk mitigation recommendations that can apply here as well. It would be nice to spell it out. It is also important to address ICMPv6 vs PR question.</p>

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marten-seemann commented on this pull request.



> -Byte offset:
+Flow Control Offset:
+
+: A 64-bit unsigned integer indicating the flow control offset for the given
+  stream (for a stream ID other than 0) or the entire connection.
+
+The flow control offset is expressed in units of octets for individual streams
+(for stream identifiers other than 0).
+
+The connection-level flow control offset is expressed in units of 1024 octets
+(for a stream identifier of 0).  That is, the connection-level flow control
+offset is determined by multiplying the encoded value by 1024.
+
+An endpoint accounts for the maximum offset of data that is sent or received on
+a stream.  Loss or reordering can mean that the size of STREAM frames can be
+less than the maximum data offset on a stream; similarly, STREAM frames might

What does the size of a STREAM frame have to do with the maximum offset?

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<p><b>@marten-seemann</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/378#discussion_r105101089">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -Byte offset:
+Flow Control Offset:
+
+: A 64-bit unsigned integer indicating the flow control offset for the given
+  stream (for a stream ID other than 0) or the entire connection.
+
+The flow control offset is expressed in units of octets for individual streams
+(for stream identifiers other than 0).
+
+The connection-level flow control offset is expressed in units of 1024 octets
+(for a stream identifier of 0).  That is, the connection-level flow control
+offset is determined by multiplying the encoded value by 1024.
+
+An endpoint accounts for the maximum offset of data that is sent or received on
+a stream.  Loss or reordering can mean that the size of STREAM frames can be
+less than the maximum data offset on a stream; similarly, STREAM frames might
</pre>
<p>What does the size of a STREAM frame have to do with the maximum offset?</p>

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marten-seemann commented on this pull request.



>  
 connection_fc_offset (0x0001):
 
 : The connection level flow control offset parameter contains the initial
-  connection flow control window encoded as an unsigned 32-bit integer.  The
-  sender of this parameter sets the byte offset for connection level flow
-  control to this value.  This is equivalent to sending a WINDOW_UPDATE
-  ({{frame-window-update}}) for stream 0 immediately after completing the
-  handshake.
+  connection flow control window encoded as an unsigned 32-bit integer in units
+  of 1024 octets.  That is, the value here is multiplied by 1024 to determine
+  the actual flow control offset.  The sender of this parameter sets the byte
+  offset for connection level flow control to this value.  This is equivalent to
+  sending a WINDOW_UPDATE ({{frame-window-update}}) for stream 0 immediately

Better: for the connection. There is no stream 0.

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<p><b>@marten-seemann</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/378#discussion_r105101857">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
 connection_fc_offset (0x0001):
 
 : The connection level flow control offset parameter contains the initial
-  connection flow control window encoded as an unsigned 32-bit integer.  The
-  sender of this parameter sets the byte offset for connection level flow
-  control to this value.  This is equivalent to sending a WINDOW_UPDATE
-  ({{frame-window-update}}) for stream 0 immediately after completing the
-  handshake.
+  connection flow control window encoded as an unsigned 32-bit integer in units
+  of 1024 octets.  That is, the value here is multiplied by 1024 to determine
+  the actual flow control offset.  The sender of this parameter sets the byte
+  offset for connection level flow control to this value.  This is equivalent to
+  sending a WINDOW_UPDATE ({{frame-window-update}}) for stream 0 immediately
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<p>Better: for the connection. There is no stream 0.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/header
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Everything except connection ID.


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I strongly favor option 1.  

It's useful for every application I've come up with, so option 2 is not appealing and option 3 is more complex to implement.

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<p>I strongly favor option 1.</p>
<p>It's useful for every application I've come up with, so option 2 is not appealing and option 3 is more complex to implement.</p>

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Could someone elaborate just a bit about the complexity of option 3? My understanding is that Option 3 is to only add the following semantics to DISINTEREST: "The sender of DISINTEREST MUST discard all currently buffered data and all subsequently received STREAM frames for this stream." Any implementation is probably doing this already, so the complexity added by codifying such semantics seems to be zero.

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ekr approved this pull request.

I'm happy to land this as-is as a step in the right direction

>  
+: The second bit (0x40) of octet 0 indicates whether the connection ID field is
+  present.  If set to 1, then the connection ID field is present; if set to 0,
+  the connection ID field is zero length.

I actually would prefer to not have the middlebox parse this (see previous comments about encrypting everything) so I'm not sure I'm excited about features that just are designed to accomodate that.

> +  can be 1, 2 or 4 octets long depending on the short packet type.
+
+Encrypted Payload:
+
+: Packets with a short header always include a 1-RTT protected payload.
+
+The packet type in a short header currently determines only the size of the
+packet number field.  Additional types can be used to signal the presence of
+other fields.
+
+| Type | Packet Number Size     |
+|:-----|:-----------------------|
+| 01   | 1 octet                |
+| 02   | 2 octets               |
+| 03   | 4 octets               |
+{: #short-packet-types title="Short Header Packet Types"}

Nm. I misread this.

>  
+When a connection is initiated, the client MUST choose a random value and use it

What is the purpose of this being random?

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<p><b>@ekr</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>I'm happy to land this as-is as a step in the right direction</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104779559">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
+: The second bit (0x40) of octet 0 indicates whether the connection ID field is
+  present.  If set to 1, then the connection ID field is present; if set to 0,
+  the connection ID field is zero length.
</pre>
<p>I actually would prefer to not have the middlebox parse this (see previous comments about encrypting everything) so I'm not sure I'm excited about features that just are designed to accomodate that.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r104779745">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +  can be 1, 2 or 4 octets long depending on the short packet type.
+
+Encrypted Payload:
+
+: Packets with a short header always include a 1-RTT protected payload.
+
+The packet type in a short header currently determines only the size of the
+packet number field.  Additional types can be used to signal the presence of
+other fields.
+
+| Type | Packet Number Size     |
+|:-----|:-----------------------|
+| 01   | 1 octet                |
+| 02   | 2 octets               |
+| 03   | 4 octets               |
+{: #short-packet-types title=&quot;Short Header Packet Types&quot;}
</pre>
<p>Nm. I misread this.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r105170518">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
+When a connection is initiated, the client MUST choose a random value and use it
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<p>What is the purpose of this being random?</p>

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Currently, there=E2=80=99s no MUST, and that=E2=80=99s intentional.  Just l=
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ready happening, so that you can be smarter in response to it.

The complexity of Option 3 is that you go from:

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=E2=80=A6to:

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=C2=B7        If you send RST_STREAM or receive DISINTEREST, retransmit eit=
her RST_STREAM or the STREAM frame with the FIN bit

It doesn=E2=80=99t seem crippling, but it is an increase in complexity for =
(what seems to me) relatively limited benefit.

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Currently, there=E2=80=99s no MUST, and that=E2=80=99s intentional.  Just l=
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ready happening, so that you can be smarter in response to it.
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The complexity of Option 3 is that you go from:
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=C2=B7        Retransmit everything until you=E2=80=99ve sent RST_STREAM
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=C2=B7        If you send RST_STREAM, retransmit that, but nothing else
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<br>

<br>
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<br>

<br>
=C2=B7        If you send RST_STREAM or receive DISINTEREST, retransmit eit=
her RST_STREAM or the STREAM frame with the FIN bit
<br>

<br>
It doesn=E2=80=99t seem crippling, but it is an increase in complexity for =
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> +  can be 1, 2 or 4 octets long depending on the short packet type.
+
+Encrypted Payload:
+
+: Packets with a short header always include a 1-RTT protected payload.
+
+The packet type in a short header currently determines only the size of the
+packet number field.  Additional types can be used to signal the presence of
+other fields.
+
+| Type | Packet Number Size     |
+|:-----|:-----------------------|
+| 01   | 1 octet                |
+| 02   | 2 octets               |
+| 03   | 4 octets               |
+{: #short-packet-types title="Short Header Packet Types"}

Ekr had a comment (deleted?) that talked about both burning a bit _and_ using a frame type to communicate... something.  Packet number length, maybe?  My comment was that there no longer appears to be a dedicated bit, so I think his comment was invalid.  If he deleted it subsequently, apparently he thought so too.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r105195771">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +  can be 1, 2 or 4 octets long depending on the short packet type.
+
+Encrypted Payload:
+
+: Packets with a short header always include a 1-RTT protected payload.
+
+The packet type in a short header currently determines only the size of the
+packet number field.  Additional types can be used to signal the presence of
+other fields.
+
+| Type | Packet Number Size     |
+|:-----|:-----------------------|
+| 01   | 1 octet                |
+| 02   | 2 octets               |
+| 03   | 4 octets               |
+{: #short-packet-types title=&quot;Short Header Packet Types&quot;}
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<p>Ekr had a comment (deleted?) that talked about both burning a bit <em>and</em> using a frame type to communicate... something.  Packet number length, maybe?  My comment was that there no longer appears to be a dedicated bit, so I think his comment was invalid.  If he deleted it subsequently, apparently he thought so too.</p>

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+When a connection is initiated, the client MUST choose a random value and use it

The client then provides a suggestion that may be reasonably for servers to simply use. Only a server that cares about structure in the ID changes it, others use the clients suggested value as is.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361#discussion_r105206706">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
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+When a connection is initiated, the client MUST choose a random value and use it
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<p>The client then provides a suggestion that may be reasonably for servers to simply use. Only a server that cares about structure in the ID changes it, others use the clients suggested value as is.</p>

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Mike, you still have "Changes Requested".  I've addressed your comments though, so I'll go ahead and merge. Feel free to let me know if there's more you'd like me to do, happy to do it in a follow up PR.

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<p>Mike, you still have "Changes Requested".  I've addressed your comments though, so I'll go ahead and merge. Feel free to let me know if there's more you'd like me to do, happy to do it in a follow up PR.</p>

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Merged #361.

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 8e1011fd6dfa01d7611ecddf88a21588c2f1b86d
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  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

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  Partial commit of new header format


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  Everything except connection ID.


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  Connection ID added.


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  Two key phases for long headers


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  Nits.


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  Public reset proof not optional.


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  Fix formatting of long- and short-form headers


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  Add version specific fields to short form


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  addresses ekr and ianswett comments


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  Merge pull request #361 from quicwg/header

Long and short packet header


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For some reason, the TLS draft is in the .gitignore file.  I can't see a sensible reason for this, and yet the repo obviously does still track the TLS draft.  Am I missing something?

Ordinarily, I'd just fix this, but it's weird enough I'd like the git-template-master to look and confirm.
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  * Don't ignore TLS draft...?

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<p>For some reason, the TLS draft is in the .gitignore file.  I can't see a sensible reason for this, and yet the repo obviously does still track the TLS draft.  Am I missing something?</p>
<p>Ordinarily, I'd just fix this, but it's weird enough I'd like the git-template-master to look and confirm.</p>

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  <li>Don&#39;t ignore TLS draft...?</li>
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> BLOCKED frames are rare, but tend to be isolated to a small number of services, which either are slow at consuming data or serve clients with much higher than average bandwidth. As such, they serve as an excellent monitoring and debugging tool if you understand the full context.
> 
> If this was available in QUIC, what use cases would you expect it to help with?

Are you asking me to defend BLOCKED frames, or the header bit? In the use case where BLOCKED would be helpful, the bit would be helpful for monitoring performance of provider networks. The BLOCKED _frame_ makes window-limitation more obvious, but if you have the decrypted payload, you can also glean this from WINDOW_UPDATE frames.

I can see three possibilites:
- window-limited connections are a common occurrence in QUIC: in this case, the header bit is essential to have any idea what is a real network performance problem and what comes from client configuration. In some cases, it might lead to a mobile software update that fixes the config.
- window-limited connections are extremely rare: it is not worth it to take a bit in the header. In the extreme limit, there is no need for flow control at all because QUIC endpoints have ample memory resources and reduced HOL blocking.
- window-limited connections are "sort of" rare: in which case we ought to have flow control and BLOCKED, but it's not worth a valuable public header bit. I _think_ this is where you believe we are.

Obviously, I have no real-world QUIC deployment experience, so I can't state with authority where we are on this spectrum, and if current experience is relevant to a future with IoT devices, etc. All I can say is that in TCP the flow control information is very valuable to have, and it's not hard to see how certain applications and implementations in QUIC might have the same problems.

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<p>BLOCKED frames are rare, but tend to be isolated to a small number of =
services, which either are slow at consuming data or serve clients with m=
uch higher than average bandwidth. As such, they serve as an excellent mo=
nitoring and debugging tool if you understand the full context.</p>
<p>If this was available in QUIC, what use cases would you expect it to h=
elp with?</p>
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<p>Are you asking me to defend BLOCKED frames, or the header bit? In the =
use case where BLOCKED would be helpful, the bit would be helpful for mon=
itoring performance of provider networks. The BLOCKED <em>frame</em> make=
s window-limitation more obvious, but if you have the decrypted payload, =
you can also glean this from WINDOW_UPDATE frames.</p>
<p>I can see three possibilites:</p>
<ul>
<li>window-limited connections are a common occurrence in QUIC: in this c=
ase, the header bit is essential to have any idea what is a real network =
performance problem and what comes from client configuration. In some cas=
es, it might lead to a mobile software update that fixes the config.</li>=

<li>window-limited connections are extremely rare: it is not worth it to =
take a bit in the header. In the extreme limit, there is no need for flow=
 control at all because QUIC endpoints have ample memory resources and re=
duced HOL blocking.</li>
<li>window-limited connections are "sort of" rare: in which case we ought=
 to have flow control and BLOCKED, but it's not worth a valuable public h=
eader bit. I <em>think</em> this is where you believe we are.</li>
</ul>
<p>Obviously, I have no real-world QUIC deployment experience, so I can't=
 state with authority where we are on this spectrum, and if current exper=
ience is relevant to a future with IoT devices, etc. All I can say is tha=
t in TCP the flow control information is very valuable to have, and it's =
not hard to see how certain applications and implementations in QUIC migh=
t have the same problems.</p>

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I agree that this is completely dependent on #20, or something similar.

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<p>I agree that this is completely dependent on <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/20" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/20" data-id="191392156" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#20</a>, or something similar.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/header_fix
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: f99e4fe1421f97a7705e0096a634d90058122bc0
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f99e4fe1421f97a7705e0096a634d90058122bc0
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  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Some formatting and wording fixes to the new headers


  Commit: b4135028369386d77cade9810e1256b395b7b566
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b4135028369386d77cade9810e1256b395b7b566
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  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  What's a VERSION flag?


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This should be almost all editorial -- wording, formatting, and figure consistency changes in the first commit.

While doing those, I noticed that the draft still talks about a "VERSION flag," but the header no longer has one, so I fixed those.  Please review this for technical accuracy.
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  * Some formatting and wording fixes to the new headers
  * What's a VERSION flag?

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (119)

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<p>This should be almost all editorial -- wording, formatting, and figure consistency changes in the first commit.</p>
<p>While doing those, I noticed that the draft still talks about a "VERSION flag," but the header no longer has one, so I fixed those.  Please review this for technical accuracy.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Some formatting and wording fixes to the new headers</li>
  <li>What&#39;s a VERSION flag?</li>
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 3b6cf4f202884282d26fa8f0882a76077bd21b98
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3b6cf4f202884282d26fa8f0882a76077bd21b98
  Author: Mike Bishop <michbish@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M .gitignore

  Log Message:
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  Don't ignore TLS draft...?


  Commit: fe4ae43733dfb6bdc2388640869affccaebf155b
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fe4ae43733dfb6bdc2388640869affccaebf155b
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-10 (Fri, 10 Mar 2017)

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  Merge pull request #379 from quicwg/tls-ignored

Don't ignore TLS draft...?


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/fb12f1313643...fe4ae43733df
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MikeBishop approved this pull request.

Minor nits.  Looks fine.

> -Byte offset:
+Flow Control Offset:
+
+: A 64-bit unsigned integer indicating the flow control offset for the given
+  stream (for a stream ID other than 0) or the entire connection.
+
+The flow control offset is expressed in units of octets for individual streams
+(for stream identifiers other than 0).
+
+The connection-level flow control offset is expressed in units of 1024 octets
+(for a stream identifier of 0).  That is, the connection-level flow control
+offset is determined by multiplying the encoded value by 1024.
+
+An endpoint accounts for the maximum offset of data that is sent or received on
+a stream.  Loss or reordering can mean that the size of STREAM frames can be
+less than the maximum data offset on a stream; similarly, STREAM frames might

"...can mean that the maximum offset is greater than the total size of data received on a stream."

> +Flow Control Offset:
+
+: A 64-bit unsigned integer indicating the flow control offset for the given
+  stream (for a stream ID other than 0) or the entire connection.
+
+The flow control offset is expressed in units of octets for individual streams
+(for stream identifiers other than 0).
+
+The connection-level flow control offset is expressed in units of 1024 octets
+(for a stream identifier of 0).  That is, the connection-level flow control
+offset is determined by multiplying the encoded value by 1024.
+
+An endpoint accounts for the maximum offset of data that is sent or received on
+a stream.  Loss or reordering can mean that the size of STREAM frames can be
+less than the maximum data offset on a stream; similarly, STREAM frames might
+not cause the maximum offset on a stream.  A STREAM frame with a FIN bit set or

"...might not cause the maximum offset on a stream **to increase**."

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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>Minor nits.  Looks fine.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/378#discussion_r105287102">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -Byte offset:
+Flow Control Offset:
+
+: A 64-bit unsigned integer indicating the flow control offset for the given
+  stream (for a stream ID other than 0) or the entire connection.
+
+The flow control offset is expressed in units of octets for individual streams
+(for stream identifiers other than 0).
+
+The connection-level flow control offset is expressed in units of 1024 octets
+(for a stream identifier of 0).  That is, the connection-level flow control
+offset is determined by multiplying the encoded value by 1024.
+
+An endpoint accounts for the maximum offset of data that is sent or received on
+a stream.  Loss or reordering can mean that the size of STREAM frames can be
+less than the maximum data offset on a stream; similarly, STREAM frames might
</pre>
<p>"...can mean that the maximum offset is greater than the total size of data received on a stream."</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/378#discussion_r105287204">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +Flow Control Offset:
+
+: A 64-bit unsigned integer indicating the flow control offset for the given
+  stream (for a stream ID other than 0) or the entire connection.
+
+The flow control offset is expressed in units of octets for individual streams
+(for stream identifiers other than 0).
+
+The connection-level flow control offset is expressed in units of 1024 octets
+(for a stream identifier of 0).  That is, the connection-level flow control
+offset is determined by multiplying the encoded value by 1024.
+
+An endpoint accounts for the maximum offset of data that is sent or received on
+a stream.  Loss or reordering can mean that the size of STREAM frames can be
+less than the maximum data offset on a stream; similarly, STREAM frames might
+not cause the maximum offset on a stream.  A STREAM frame with a FIN bit set or
</pre>
<p>"...might not cause the maximum offset on a stream <strong>to increase</strong>."</p>

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MikeBishop approved this pull request.

I like red.



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<p>I like red.</p>

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> @@ -2061,8 +2069,9 @@ From this state, either endpoint can send a frame with the FIN flag set, which
 causes the stream to transition into one of the "half-closed" states.  An
 endpoint sending an FIN flag causes the stream state to become "half-closed
 (local)".  An endpoint receiving a FIN flag causes the stream state to become
-"half-closed (remote)"; the receiving endpoint MUST NOT process the FIN flag
-until all preceding data on the stream has been received.
+"half-closed (remote)" once all preceding data has arrived.  The receiving
+endpoint MUST NOT consider the stream state to have changed until all data has
+arrived.

Yes -- the sending peer considers it to have changed, but it continues to count against the limit until the change is ACK'd.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/381#discussion_r105304148">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2061,8 +2069,9 @@ From this state, either endpoint can send a frame with the FIN flag set, which
 causes the stream to transition into one of the &quot;half-closed&quot; states.  An
 endpoint sending an FIN flag causes the stream state to become &quot;half-closed
 (local)&quot;.  An endpoint receiving a FIN flag causes the stream state to become
-&quot;half-closed (remote)&quot;; the receiving endpoint MUST NOT process the FIN flag
-until all preceding data on the stream has been received.
+&quot;half-closed (remote)&quot; once all preceding data has arrived.  The receiving
+endpoint MUST NOT consider the stream state to have changed until all data has
+arrived.
</pre>
<p>Yes -- the sending peer considers it to have changed, but it continues to count against the limit until the change is ACK'd.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/this_aint_h2
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b84dc86ac4bcff93654b01483ce6e9dc67856516
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-02-23 (Thu, 23 Feb 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  The client Finished message can't be protected with 1-RTT keys


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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ef7f5c3740ade2150bd6673f0f514b13ed5843d7
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
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  Log Message:
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  Add a section on what to do when unprotecting a packet fails (hint: throw it away)


  Commit: da610a0be9b5ab4b5469c7b0827e588afa4e25b9
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  Date:   2017-03-02 (Thu, 02 Mar 2017)

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  Log Message:
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  Deal with bad key phase changes somehow


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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

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  Log Message:
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  Adding section on packet protection rules


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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Restructure section to better address some of the concerns and add some explanation


  Commit: 97860db248ee5f225ab733d3092f972f18840c80
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/97860db248ee5f225ab733d3092f972f18840c80
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Ian's suggestions.


  Commit: f287271c3aaa2c51965965cf47b25ee0e759e3d6
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f287271c3aaa2c51965965cf47b25ee0e759e3d6
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  @ianswett review comments


  Commit: e2f3140546a64fdbe9b69a2527ceb12ec1fd0e57
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e2f3140546a64fdbe9b69a2527ceb12ec1fd0e57
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #336 from quicwg/ack_protection

Adding section on packet protection rules


  Commit: 1a711c43b2008fa1f012b6146e0ca6c40c0fb78d
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1a711c43b2008fa1f012b6146e0ca6c40c0fb78d
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Remove QUIC_OVERLAPPING_STREAM_DATA

Closes #146


  Commit: 1b7a0d59f5d4291d30c64137e12d9c610096b4dc
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1b7a0d59f5d4291d30c64137e12d9c610096b4dc
  Author: Mike Bishop <michbish@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

  Log Message:
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  No 64-bit streams, so no TODO.


  Commit: ae252cd70efe8b4a8a97273d0b662fe406de4bcd
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ae252cd70efe8b4a8a97273d0b662fe406de4bcd
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  Send a TLS alert when TLS encounters an error

Also rationalize the TLS error messages, which means removing most of them.

Closes #272


  Commit: 8e0100ef1d8f6f744f729ebcd8664b9f31749b3b
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8e0100ef1d8f6f744f729ebcd8664b9f31749b3b
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

  Log Message:
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  Move references to RFC5827 to text (#375)

* Move references to RFC5827 to text


  Commit: 8e1011fd6dfa01d7611ecddf88a21588c2f1b86d
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8e1011fd6dfa01d7611ecddf88a21588c2f1b86d
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Partial commit of new header format


  Commit: f91752ed0091ed063cf7ec97770326e0795127db
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f91752ed0091ed063cf7ec97770326e0795127db
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Everything except connection ID.


  Commit: e8a8746b0ac644b947c39453ede760503d36c536
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e8a8746b0ac644b947c39453ede760503d36c536
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Connection ID added.


  Commit: 3fae9493fc6ac8236444406916a0d90880ac41cb
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3fae9493fc6ac8236444406916a0d90880ac41cb
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Two key phases for long headers


  Commit: f6fdbd6ab2fdac5183cc855358fa8db9f20993f6
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f6fdbd6ab2fdac5183cc855358fa8db9f20993f6
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Nits.


  Commit: 033002c90dcd0b270db2b20f77577fbe90b1bc36
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/033002c90dcd0b270db2b20f77577fbe90b1bc36
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Clarifications.


  Commit: 4f1deab16b33620c6c999bf08b58c87153988e00
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4f1deab16b33620c6c999bf08b58c87153988e00
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Public reset proof not optional.


  Commit: 6744a7edd3b8dc959f104095ad7711897ac668b9
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6744a7edd3b8dc959f104095ad7711897ac668b9
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Fix formatting of long- and short-form headers


  Commit: a02c15eaabde5d8e8dc92e35c06f19183940c2b2
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a02c15eaabde5d8e8dc92e35c06f19183940c2b2
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Add version specific fields to short form


  Commit: caa179a945ef45487cebd8689f061ed86a9bc7d8
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/caa179a945ef45487cebd8689f061ed86a9bc7d8
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Nits.


  Commit: a2e14125b0fc602a8f919d78ba29c2622d51705a
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a2e14125b0fc602a8f919d78ba29c2622d51705a
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  addresses ekr and ianswett comments


  Commit: f9cd441d869b5e23c6c47170af5f5cb5dee1a07b
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f9cd441d869b5e23c6c47170af5f5cb5dee1a07b
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  addresses mikebishop's and mt's comments


  Commit: e44463d75e02cf16322d6f00db27116ce88e60f1
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e44463d75e02cf16322d6f00db27116ce88e60f1
  Author: janaiyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #361 from quicwg/header

Long and short packet header


  Commit: 3b6cf4f202884282d26fa8f0882a76077bd21b98
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3b6cf4f202884282d26fa8f0882a76077bd21b98
  Author: Mike Bishop <michbish@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M .gitignore

  Log Message:
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  Don't ignore TLS draft...?


  Commit: f99e4fe1421f97a7705e0096a634d90058122bc0
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f99e4fe1421f97a7705e0096a634d90058122bc0
  Author: Mike Bishop <michbish@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Some formatting and wording fixes to the new headers


  Commit: b4135028369386d77cade9810e1256b395b7b566
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b4135028369386d77cade9810e1256b395b7b566
  Author: Mike Bishop <michbish@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  What's a VERSION flag?


  Commit: 6052645935a7fafad4e37a77d684ec640f0fdfd5
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6052645935a7fafad4e37a77d684ec640f0fdfd5
  Author: Mike Bishop <michbish@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Why didn't my local build catch that?


  Commit: fb12f13136436001db4c53550a9088cb73869dfd
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fb12f13136436001db4c53550a9088cb73869dfd
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-10 (Fri, 10 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M .gitignore

  Log Message:
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  Remove tls doc from the ignore.


  Commit: fe4ae43733dfb6bdc2388640869affccaebf155b
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fe4ae43733dfb6bdc2388640869affccaebf155b
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-10 (Fri, 10 Mar 2017)

  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #379 from quicwg/tls-ignored

Don't ignore TLS draft...?


  Commit: c1c1b43155a278459d9023e23cd961fe1caad132
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c1c1b43155a278459d9023e23cd961fe1caad132
  Author: Mike Bishop <michbish@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Reword version-independent, version-specific discussion


  Commit: e82c05b75139a744b4fb538a665cd101e95241de
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e82c05b75139a744b4fb538a665cd101e95241de
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-10 (Fri, 10 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #380 from quicwg/header_fix

Mostly-minor header touchups


  Commit: e7820698f3d7290d2120de8d7e328420432c77f9
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e7820698f3d7290d2120de8d7e328420432c77f9
  Author: seanturner <sean@sn3rd.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  Being nitpikcy about which connection and alert.


  Commit: ce4981f6993f918232731eb43004448e3eabc864
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ce4981f6993f918232731eb43004448e3eabc864
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-10 (Fri, 10 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #374 from quicwg/alert_plus_close

Send a TLS alert when TLS encounters an error


  Commit: 128a25ed716ac8ea3513037bb9c4c1ac152106d1
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/128a25ed716ac8ea3513037bb9c4c1ac152106d1
  Author: Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #337 from quicwg/unprotect_client_finished

The client Finished message can't be protected with 1-RTT keys


  Commit: 081c5517f8fc952a8accc914d74036e7d1b22906
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/081c5517f8fc952a8accc914d74036e7d1b22906
  Author: seanturner <sean@sn3rd.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  Making it clear that an endpoint using an old key is indeciperable from an attack.


  Commit: 9c2c73e746777c62eb9e2459aa5a273b9002234b
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9c2c73e746777c62eb9e2459aa5a273b9002234b
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-10 (Fri, 10 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #345 from quicwg/reorder_old_packets

Add a section on what to do when unprotecting a packet fails


  Commit: fb1f97c44cc03d3991049112ef83c7cb0391826b
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fb1f97c44cc03d3991049112ef83c7cb0391826b
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-10 (Fri, 10 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #382 from quicwg/overlapping_data

Remove QUIC_OVERLAPPING_STREAM_DATA


  Commit: 711aadba27c9066792f227ea1640635051420daa
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/711aadba27c9066792f227ea1640635051420daa
  Author: Mike Bishop <michbish@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

  Log Message:
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  HTTP change log


  Commit: 8920788237c4ef8acf34401a1983b77cd62af298
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8920788237c4ef8acf34401a1983b77cd62af298
  Author: Mike Bishop <michbish@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M .gitignore
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into http_extensions


  Commit: f3259b42ca4a47358a30391b1b9c073e339f7700
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f3259b42ca4a47358a30391b1b9c073e339f7700
  Author: Mike Bishop <michbish@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

  Log Message:
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  Change log for HTTP/2 Considerations


  Commit: 1cdfaeb02bcfacdd0d162787803e278533559aa5
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1cdfaeb02bcfacdd0d162787803e278533559aa5
  Author: Mike Bishop <michbish@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M .gitignore
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge branch 'http_extensions' into this_aint_h2


  Commit: ca50366dfcb79e8ac679d3b8303325dce1f2e8ef
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ca50366dfcb79e8ac679d3b8303325dce1f2e8ef
  Author: Mike Bishop <michbish@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

  Log Message:
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  Change log for IANA split


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/2ef27e6ac828...ca50366dfcb7
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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-02-23 (Thu, 23 Feb 2017)

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  Log Message:
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  The client Finished message can't be protected with 1-RTT keys


  Commit: ef7f5c3740ade2150bd6673f0f514b13ed5843d7
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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-02-24 (Fri, 24 Feb 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Add a section on what to do when unprotecting a packet fails (hint: throw it away)


  Commit: da610a0be9b5ab4b5469c7b0827e588afa4e25b9
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/da610a0be9b5ab4b5469c7b0827e588afa4e25b9
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-02 (Thu, 02 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Deal with bad key phase changes somehow


  Commit: 28690ebc1b7a296b7577c2e9e2586a32ca66b3c4
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/28690ebc1b7a296b7577c2e9e2586a32ca66b3c4
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Adding section on packet protection rules


  Commit: d136165e5244b490dfbcd41aa36193808a719f14
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d136165e5244b490dfbcd41aa36193808a719f14
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Restructure section to better address some of the concerns and add some explanation


  Commit: 97860db248ee5f225ab733d3092f972f18840c80
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/97860db248ee5f225ab733d3092f972f18840c80
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Ian's suggestions.


  Commit: f287271c3aaa2c51965965cf47b25ee0e759e3d6
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f287271c3aaa2c51965965cf47b25ee0e759e3d6
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  @ianswett review comments


  Commit: e2f3140546a64fdbe9b69a2527ceb12ec1fd0e57
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e2f3140546a64fdbe9b69a2527ceb12ec1fd0e57
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #336 from quicwg/ack_protection

Adding section on packet protection rules


  Commit: 1a711c43b2008fa1f012b6146e0ca6c40c0fb78d
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1a711c43b2008fa1f012b6146e0ca6c40c0fb78d
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Remove QUIC_OVERLAPPING_STREAM_DATA

Closes #146


  Commit: 1b7a0d59f5d4291d30c64137e12d9c610096b4dc
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1b7a0d59f5d4291d30c64137e12d9c610096b4dc
  Author: Mike Bishop <michbish@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  No 64-bit streams, so no TODO.


  Commit: ae252cd70efe8b4a8a97273d0b662fe406de4bcd
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ae252cd70efe8b4a8a97273d0b662fe406de4bcd
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  Send a TLS alert when TLS encounters an error

Also rationalize the TLS error messages, which means removing most of them.

Closes #272


  Commit: 8e0100ef1d8f6f744f729ebcd8664b9f31749b3b
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8e0100ef1d8f6f744f729ebcd8664b9f31749b3b
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Move references to RFC5827 to text (#375)

* Move references to RFC5827 to text


  Commit: 8e1011fd6dfa01d7611ecddf88a21588c2f1b86d
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8e1011fd6dfa01d7611ecddf88a21588c2f1b86d
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Partial commit of new header format


  Commit: f91752ed0091ed063cf7ec97770326e0795127db
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f91752ed0091ed063cf7ec97770326e0795127db
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Everything except connection ID.


  Commit: e8a8746b0ac644b947c39453ede760503d36c536
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e8a8746b0ac644b947c39453ede760503d36c536
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Connection ID added.


  Commit: 3fae9493fc6ac8236444406916a0d90880ac41cb
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3fae9493fc6ac8236444406916a0d90880ac41cb
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Two key phases for long headers


  Commit: f6fdbd6ab2fdac5183cc855358fa8db9f20993f6
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f6fdbd6ab2fdac5183cc855358fa8db9f20993f6
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Nits.


  Commit: 033002c90dcd0b270db2b20f77577fbe90b1bc36
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/033002c90dcd0b270db2b20f77577fbe90b1bc36
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Clarifications.


  Commit: 4f1deab16b33620c6c999bf08b58c87153988e00
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4f1deab16b33620c6c999bf08b58c87153988e00
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Public reset proof not optional.


  Commit: 6744a7edd3b8dc959f104095ad7711897ac668b9
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6744a7edd3b8dc959f104095ad7711897ac668b9
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Fix formatting of long- and short-form headers


  Commit: a02c15eaabde5d8e8dc92e35c06f19183940c2b2
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a02c15eaabde5d8e8dc92e35c06f19183940c2b2
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Add version specific fields to short form


  Commit: caa179a945ef45487cebd8689f061ed86a9bc7d8
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/caa179a945ef45487cebd8689f061ed86a9bc7d8
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Nits.


  Commit: a2e14125b0fc602a8f919d78ba29c2622d51705a
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a2e14125b0fc602a8f919d78ba29c2622d51705a
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  addresses ekr and ianswett comments


  Commit: f9cd441d869b5e23c6c47170af5f5cb5dee1a07b
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f9cd441d869b5e23c6c47170af5f5cb5dee1a07b
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  addresses mikebishop's and mt's comments


  Commit: e44463d75e02cf16322d6f00db27116ce88e60f1
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  Author: janaiyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #361 from quicwg/header

Long and short packet header


  Commit: 3b6cf4f202884282d26fa8f0882a76077bd21b98
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  Author: Mike Bishop <michbish@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Don't ignore TLS draft...?


  Commit: f99e4fe1421f97a7705e0096a634d90058122bc0
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f99e4fe1421f97a7705e0096a634d90058122bc0
  Author: Mike Bishop <michbish@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Some formatting and wording fixes to the new headers


  Commit: b4135028369386d77cade9810e1256b395b7b566
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b4135028369386d77cade9810e1256b395b7b566
  Author: Mike Bishop <michbish@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  What's a VERSION flag?


  Commit: 6052645935a7fafad4e37a77d684ec640f0fdfd5
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6052645935a7fafad4e37a77d684ec640f0fdfd5
  Author: Mike Bishop <michbish@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Why didn't my local build catch that?


  Commit: fb12f13136436001db4c53550a9088cb73869dfd
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fb12f13136436001db4c53550a9088cb73869dfd
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-10 (Fri, 10 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Remove tls doc from the ignore.


  Commit: fe4ae43733dfb6bdc2388640869affccaebf155b
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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-10 (Fri, 10 Mar 2017)

  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #379 from quicwg/tls-ignored

Don't ignore TLS draft...?


  Commit: c1c1b43155a278459d9023e23cd961fe1caad132
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  Author: Mike Bishop <michbish@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Reword version-independent, version-specific discussion


  Commit: e82c05b75139a744b4fb538a665cd101e95241de
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e82c05b75139a744b4fb538a665cd101e95241de
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-10 (Fri, 10 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Merge pull request #380 from quicwg/header_fix

Mostly-minor header touchups


  Commit: e7820698f3d7290d2120de8d7e328420432c77f9
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  Author: seanturner <sean@sn3rd.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Being nitpikcy about which connection and alert.


  Commit: ce4981f6993f918232731eb43004448e3eabc864
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ce4981f6993f918232731eb43004448e3eabc864
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-10 (Fri, 10 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #374 from quicwg/alert_plus_close

Send a TLS alert when TLS encounters an error


  Commit: 128a25ed716ac8ea3513037bb9c4c1ac152106d1
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  Author: Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Merge pull request #337 from quicwg/unprotect_client_finished

The client Finished message can't be protected with 1-RTT keys


  Commit: 081c5517f8fc952a8accc914d74036e7d1b22906
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/081c5517f8fc952a8accc914d74036e7d1b22906
  Author: seanturner <sean@sn3rd.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Making it clear that an endpoint using an old key is indeciperable from an attack.


  Commit: 9c2c73e746777c62eb9e2459aa5a273b9002234b
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9c2c73e746777c62eb9e2459aa5a273b9002234b
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-10 (Fri, 10 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #345 from quicwg/reorder_old_packets

Add a section on what to do when unprotecting a packet fails


  Commit: fb1f97c44cc03d3991049112ef83c7cb0391826b
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fb1f97c44cc03d3991049112ef83c7cb0391826b
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-10 (Fri, 10 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #382 from quicwg/overlapping_data

Remove QUIC_OVERLAPPING_STREAM_DATA


  Commit: 711aadba27c9066792f227ea1640635051420daa
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  Author: Mike Bishop <michbish@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  HTTP change log


  Commit: 8920788237c4ef8acf34401a1983b77cd62af298
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8920788237c4ef8acf34401a1983b77cd62af298
  Author: Mike Bishop <michbish@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into http_extensions


  Commit: f3259b42ca4a47358a30391b1b9c073e339f7700
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f3259b42ca4a47358a30391b1b9c073e339f7700
  Author: Mike Bishop <michbish@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

  Log Message:
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  Change log for HTTP/2 Considerations


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/0736bf41d4e9...f3259b42ca4a
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In the error codes there's a QUIC_PACKET_TOO_LARGE error, but there's no maximum packet size specified anywhere in the document.

Does it make sense to define a maximum packet size or must a QUIC implementation be capable of handling packets with the maximum UDP packet size? Google QUIC currently uses 1452 as the maximum packet size (= Ethernet MTU - minimum UDP header size).

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<p>In the error codes there's a QUIC_PACKET_TOO_LARGE error, but there's no maximum packet size specified anywhere in the document.</p>
<p>Does it make sense to define a maximum packet size or must a QUIC implementation be capable of handling packets with the maximum UDP packet size? Google QUIC currently uses 1452 as the maximum packet size (= Ethernet MTU - minimum UDP header size).</p>

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I'm running a very short timer on this one.  I'll merge this very soon.

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081c551  Making it clear that an endpoint using an old key is indeciperable from an attack.


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I would propose we remove this error code, unless there's some compelling reason for it to exist.

GQUIC doesn't even use it anymore in practice, though there is some possibility of packets that are too large being dropped in the current implementation.  



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@MikeBishop pushed 44 commits.

b84dc86  The client Finished message can't be protected with 1-RTT keys
ef7f5c3  Add a section on what to do when unprotecting a packet fails (hint: throw it away)
da610a0  Deal with bad key phase changes somehow
28690eb  Adding section on packet protection rules
d136165  Restructure section to better address some of the concerns and add some explanation
97860db  Ian's suggestions.
f287271  @ianswett review comments
e2f3140  Merge pull request #336 from quicwg/ack_protection
1a711c4  Remove QUIC_OVERLAPPING_STREAM_DATA
1b7a0d5  No 64-bit streams, so no TODO.
ae252cd  Send a TLS alert when TLS encounters an error
8e0100e  Move references to RFC5827 to text (#375)
8e1011f  Partial commit of new header format
f91752e  Everything except connection ID.
e8a8746  Connection ID added.
3fae949  Two key phases for long headers
f6fdbd6  Nits.
033002c  Clarifications.
4f1deab  Public reset proof not optional.
6744a7e  Fix formatting of long- and short-form headers
a02c15e  Add version specific fields to short form
caa179a  Nits.
a2e1412  addresses ekr and ianswett comments
f9cd441  addresses mikebishop's and mt's comments
e44463d  Merge pull request #361 from quicwg/header
3b6cf4f  Don't ignore TLS draft...?
f99e4fe  Some formatting and wording fixes to the new headers
b413502  What's a VERSION flag?
6052645  Why didn't my local build catch that?
fb12f13  Remove tls doc from the ignore.
fe4ae43  Merge pull request #379 from quicwg/tls-ignored
c1c1b43  Reword version-independent, version-specific discussion
e82c05b  Merge pull request #380 from quicwg/header_fix
e782069  Being nitpikcy about which connection and alert.
ce4981f  Merge pull request #374 from quicwg/alert_plus_close
128a25e  Merge pull request #337 from quicwg/unprotect_client_finished
081c551  Making it clear that an endpoint using an old key is indeciperable from an attack.
9c2c73e  Merge pull request #345 from quicwg/reorder_old_packets
fb1f97c  Merge pull request #382 from quicwg/overlapping_data
711aadb  HTTP change log
8920788  Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into http_extensions
f3259b4  Change log for HTTP/2 Considerations
1cdfaeb  Merge branch 'http_extensions' into this_aint_h2
ca50366  Change log for IANA split


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  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b84dc86" class="commit-link">b84dc86</a>  The client Finished message can&#39;t be protected with 1-RTT keys</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ef7f5c3" class="commit-link">ef7f5c3</a>  Add a section on what to do when unprotecting a packet fails (hint: throw it away)</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/da610a0" class="commit-link">da610a0</a>  Deal with bad key phase changes somehow</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/28690eb" class="commit-link">28690eb</a>  Adding section on packet protection rules</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d136165" class="commit-link">d136165</a>  Restructure section to better address some of the concerns and add some explanation</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/97860db" class="commit-link">97860db</a>  Ian&#39;s suggestions.</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f287271" class="commit-link">f287271</a>  @ianswett review comments</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e2f3140" class="commit-link">e2f3140</a>  Merge pull request #336 from quicwg/ack_protection</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1a711c4" class="commit-link">1a711c4</a>  Remove QUIC_OVERLAPPING_STREAM_DATA</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1b7a0d5" class="commit-link">1b7a0d5</a>  No 64-bit streams, so no TODO.</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ae252cd" class="commit-link">ae252cd</a>  Send a TLS alert when TLS encounters an error</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8e0100e" class="commit-link">8e0100e</a>  Move references to RFC5827 to text (#375)</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8e1011f" class="commit-link">8e1011f</a>  Partial commit of new header format</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f91752e" class="commit-link">f91752e</a>  Everything except connection ID.</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e8a8746" class="commit-link">e8a8746</a>  Connection ID added.</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3fae949" class="commit-link">3fae949</a>  Two key phases for long headers</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f6fdbd6" class="commit-link">f6fdbd6</a>  Nits.</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/033002c" class="commit-link">033002c</a>  Clarifications.</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4f1deab" class="commit-link">4f1deab</a>  Public reset proof not optional.</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6744a7e" class="commit-link">6744a7e</a>  Fix formatting of long- and short-form headers</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a02c15e" class="commit-link">a02c15e</a>  Add version specific fields to short form</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/caa179a" class="commit-link">caa179a</a>  Nits.</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a2e1412" class="commit-link">a2e1412</a>  addresses ekr and ianswett comments</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f9cd441" class="commit-link">f9cd441</a>  addresses mikebishop&#39;s and mt&#39;s comments</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e44463d" class="commit-link">e44463d</a>  Merge pull request #361 from quicwg/header</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3b6cf4f" class="commit-link">3b6cf4f</a>  Don&#39;t ignore TLS draft...?</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f99e4fe" class="commit-link">f99e4fe</a>  Some formatting and wording fixes to the new headers</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b413502" class="commit-link">b413502</a>  What&#39;s a VERSION flag?</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6052645" class="commit-link">6052645</a>  Why didn&#39;t my local build catch that?</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fb12f13" class="commit-link">fb12f13</a>  Remove tls doc from the ignore.</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fe4ae43" class="commit-link">fe4ae43</a>  Merge pull request #379 from quicwg/tls-ignored</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c1c1b43" class="commit-link">c1c1b43</a>  Reword version-independent, version-specific discussion</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e82c05b" class="commit-link">e82c05b</a>  Merge pull request #380 from quicwg/header_fix</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e782069" class="commit-link">e782069</a>  Being nitpikcy about which connection and alert.</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ce4981f" class="commit-link">ce4981f</a>  Merge pull request #374 from quicwg/alert_plus_close</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/128a25e" class="commit-link">128a25e</a>  Merge pull request #337 from quicwg/unprotect_client_finished</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/081c551" class="commit-link">081c551</a>  Making it clear that an endpoint using an old key is indeciperable from an attack.</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9c2c73e" class="commit-link">9c2c73e</a>  Merge pull request #345 from quicwg/reorder_old_packets</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fb1f97c" class="commit-link">fb1f97c</a>  Merge pull request #382 from quicwg/overlapping_data</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/711aadb" class="commit-link">711aadb</a>  HTTP change log</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8920788" class="commit-link">8920788</a>  Merge remote-tracking branch &#39;origin/master&#39; into http_extensions</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f3259b4" class="commit-link">f3259b4</a>  Change log for HTTP/2 Considerations</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1cdfaeb" class="commit-link">1cdfaeb</a>  Merge branch &#39;http_extensions&#39; into this_aint_h2</li>
  <li><a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ca50366" class="commit-link">ca50366</a>  Change log for IANA split</li>
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Dropping a packet that is too large isn't ideal, since that doesn't prevent more packets of that size arriving in future.  Do we need a mechanism?  Do we need to offer any guidance?

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<p>Dropping a packet that is too large isn't ideal, since that doesn't prevent more packets of that size arriving in future.  Do we need a mechanism?  Do we need to offer any guidance?</p>

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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  Send a TLS alert when TLS encounters an error

Also rationalize the TLS error messages, which means removing most of them.

Closes #272


  Commit: e7820698f3d7290d2120de8d7e328420432c77f9
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  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

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  Log Message:
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  Being nitpikcy about which connection and alert.


  Commit: ce4981f6993f918232731eb43004448e3eabc864
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  Date:   2017-03-10 (Fri, 10 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #374 from quicwg/alert_plus_close

Send a TLS alert when TLS encounters an error


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Since we got both TLS and QUIC connections, I figured it might better to be clear about which one the sentence is referring to.  Might be a bit over the to say add "TLS" before alert, but with it there's no ambiguity.

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> @@ -2021,11 +2027,13 @@ frame with the FIN flag set can cause two state transitions.  When the FIN flag
 is sent on an empty STREAM frame, the offset in the STREAM frame MUST be one
 greater than the last data byte sent on this stream.
 
-Both endpoints have a subjective view of the state of a stream that could be
-different when frames are in transit.  Endpoints do not coordinate the creation
-of streams; they are created unilaterally by either endpoint.  The negative
-consequences of a mismatch in states are limited to the "closed" state after
-sending RST_STREAM, where frames might be received for some time after closing.
+The recipient of a frame which changes stream state will have a delayed view of
+the state of a stream while the frame is in transit.  Endpoints do not
+coordinate the creation of streams; they are created unilaterally by either
+endpoint.  The negative consequences of a mismatch in states are limited to the
+"closed" state after sending RST_STREAM, where frames might be received for some
+time after closing.  Endpoints SHOULD use acknowledgments to understand the

s/SHOULD/can

> @@ -2061,8 +2069,9 @@ From this state, either endpoint can send a frame with the FIN flag set, which
 causes the stream to transition into one of the "half-closed" states.  An
 endpoint sending an FIN flag causes the stream state to become "half-closed
 (local)".  An endpoint receiving a FIN flag causes the stream state to become
-"half-closed (remote)"; the receiving endpoint MUST NOT process the FIN flag
-until all preceding data on the stream has been received.
+"half-closed (remote)" once all preceding data has arrived.  The receiving
+endpoint MUST NOT consider the stream state to have changed until all data has
+arrived.

Interesting question: what does the sending peer assume?  I think that they have to assume that the state isn't closed until all data has been acknowledged (or their RST_STREAM is acknowledged).  (Oh, I see that you caught that, awesome).

> @@ -2187,6 +2197,12 @@ count toward the maximum number of streams that an endpoint is permitted to
 open.  Streams in any of these three states count toward the limit advertised in
 the concurrent stream limit.
 
+A recently closed stream MUST also be considered to count toward this limit
+until packets containing all frames required to close the stream have been
+acknowledged. For a stream which closed cleanly, this means all STREAM frames
+have been acknowledged; for a stream closed abruptly, this means the RST_STREAM

for a stream *that* closed abruptly

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> approved this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/381#discussion_r105303070">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2021,11 +2027,13 @@ frame with the FIN flag set can cause two state transitions.  When the FIN flag
 is sent on an empty STREAM frame, the offset in the STREAM frame MUST be one
 greater than the last data byte sent on this stream.
 
-Both endpoints have a subjective view of the state of a stream that could be
-different when frames are in transit.  Endpoints do not coordinate the creation
-of streams; they are created unilaterally by either endpoint.  The negative
-consequences of a mismatch in states are limited to the &quot;closed&quot; state after
-sending RST_STREAM, where frames might be received for some time after closing.
+The recipient of a frame which changes stream state will have a delayed view of
+the state of a stream while the frame is in transit.  Endpoints do not
+coordinate the creation of streams; they are created unilaterally by either
+endpoint.  The negative consequences of a mismatch in states are limited to the
+&quot;closed&quot; state after sending RST_STREAM, where frames might be received for some
+time after closing.  Endpoints SHOULD use acknowledgments to understand the
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<p>s/SHOULD/can</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/381#discussion_r105303261">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2061,8 +2069,9 @@ From this state, either endpoint can send a frame with the FIN flag set, which
 causes the stream to transition into one of the &quot;half-closed&quot; states.  An
 endpoint sending an FIN flag causes the stream state to become &quot;half-closed
 (local)&quot;.  An endpoint receiving a FIN flag causes the stream state to become
-&quot;half-closed (remote)&quot;; the receiving endpoint MUST NOT process the FIN flag
-until all preceding data on the stream has been received.
+&quot;half-closed (remote)&quot; once all preceding data has arrived.  The receiving
+endpoint MUST NOT consider the stream state to have changed until all data has
+arrived.
</pre>
<p>Interesting question: what does the sending peer assume?  I think that they have to assume that the state isn't closed until all data has been acknowledged (or their RST_STREAM is acknowledged).  (Oh, I see that you caught that, awesome).</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/381#discussion_r105303398">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2187,6 +2197,12 @@ count toward the maximum number of streams that an endpoint is permitted to
 open.  Streams in any of these three states count toward the limit advertised in
 the concurrent stream limit.
 
+A recently closed stream MUST also be considered to count toward this limit
+until packets containing all frames required to close the stream have been
+acknowledged. For a stream which closed cleanly, this means all STREAM frames
+have been acknowledged; for a stream closed abruptly, this means the RST_STREAM
</pre>
<p>for a stream <em>that</em> closed abruptly</p>

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8920788  Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into http_extensions
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  Branch: refs/heads/header_fix
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A potential mechanism: TLS has a [max_fragment_length extension](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6066#section-4).  This allows endpoints to set a limit on record size, which is especially helpful when the endpoint is memory-constrained.  Obviously, a TCP-based protocol offers more opportunity to have large packets, but big UDP packets aren't impossible.

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 1a711c43b2008fa1f012b6146e0ca6c40c0fb78d
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1a711c43b2008fa1f012b6146e0ca6c40c0fb78d
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Remove QUIC_OVERLAPPING_STREAM_DATA

Closes #146


  Commit: fb1f97c44cc03d3991049112ef83c7cb0391826b
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #382 from quicwg/overlapping_data

Remove QUIC_OVERLAPPING_STREAM_DATA


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9c1d413  Martin's feedback


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I was going to agree that if you have to retransmit _something_, it might as well be RST_STREAM, because it's smaller.  But it's actually not.  A STREAM+FIN with no data is actually smaller than a RST_STREAM, because there's no error code and you get varlen fields for Stream ID and Final Offset.

I'm becoming less opposed.  I still question whether it's an improvement, but I no longer think it's worse.

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<p>I was going to agree that if you have to retransmit <em>something</em>=
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  The client Finished message can't be protected with 1-RTT keys


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  Merge pull request #337 from quicwg/unprotect_client_finished

The client Finished message can't be protected with 1-RTT keys


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<p>Closed <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/146" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/146" data-id="200565658" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#146</a> via <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/382" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/382" data-id="213213490" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#382</a>.</p>

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<p><b>@seanturner</b> approved this pull request.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/reorder_old_packets
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 081c5517f8fc952a8accc914d74036e7d1b22906
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  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

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  Making it clear that an endpoint using an old key is indeciperable from an attack.



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seanturner approved this pull request.

I made some minor tweaks.



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<p><b>@seanturner</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>I made some minor tweaks.</p>

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Attaching _semantics_ to DISTINCT (what sender of DISTINCT promises) and wh=
at ought to be done by the receiver of DISTINCT are two different things.  =
@martinthomson's choices were only about attaching semantics.

Now, if semantics are attached, we can examine the next question of whether=
 that should affect the behavior.

The change of behavior would actually be to simplify:
- Retransmit everything until you=E2=80=99ve sent RST_STREAM
- Send RST_STREAM upon receiving DISINTEREST, unless RST_STREAM already sen=
t or all data & STREAM+FIN have been ACKed

to:

- Retransmit everything until you=E2=80=99ve sent RST_STREAM or received DI=
SINTEREST
- Send RST_STREAM upon receiving DISINTEREST, unless RST_STREAM already sen=
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The "what to retransmit" behavior is unchanged (it is never proper to retra=
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<p>The "what to retransmit" behavior is unchanged (it is never proper to re=
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<p>I think that we're now far enough along to call this one done.  We might iterate on what we have, but that can be done with new issues.</p>

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Closes #146
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/382

-- Commit Summary --

  * Remove QUIC_OVERLAPPING_STREAM_DATA

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (3)

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<p>Closes <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/146" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/146" data-id="200565658" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#146</a></p>

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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/382'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/382</a></p>

<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Remove QUIC_OVERLAPPING_STREAM_DATA</li>
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<h4>File Changes</h4>
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    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/382/files#diff-0">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>
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With #361, let's call this done for now.  Any residual issues can be brought up with new issues (I suspect that we're not entirely done with variable length encodings for packet numbers, for example).

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seanturner approved this pull request.

I'd like to make it clear that if the client starts using old keys it's hard to differentiate that from an attack.  Other than that I'm good with it.



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<p><b>@seanturner</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>I'd like to make it clear that if the client starts using old keys it's hard to differentiate that from an attack.  Other than that I'm good with it.</p>

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1452 is certainly too small. QUIC should allow at least PMTU-sized UDP packets (unless negotiated lower). MTU of localhost in quite large. Jumbo packets exist.

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<p>1452 is certainly too small. QUIC should allow at least PMTU-sized UDP packets (unless negotiated lower). MTU of localhost in quite large. Jumbo packets exist.</p>

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@martinthomson I have now taken a look at HEIST, and I won't pretend to fully understand it. But I'm having trouble seeing if a BLOCKED bit will generally introduce a larger problem.

To defeat the cwnd attack, I believe QUIC has to insert PADDING frames prior to the full delivery of the last STREAM data, to make the delivery of the resource consistent (in terms of RTTs) regardless of echoed requests. This is all orthogonal to BLOCKED, of course. Even this only works if PADDING counts against cwnd, which I don't believe is established.

If we can resolve this issue, there has to be access to the IFCW to have a problem. This is in the clear, but  I'm not sure it's visible to the javascript the attacker has installed on the browser. But if the attacker can overcome these issues, I can see a problem where a blocked bit, specifically tied to connection flow control, can indicate when the actual payload has exceeded the flow control. If we reach this point, I would probably abandon the idea of having a blocked bit specifically related to connection flow control, and instead make it deliberately ambiguous between stream and connection flow control. That probably makes things ambiguous enough to defeat this attack.

Anyway, I'd have to define exactly what the blocked bit is, to have a proposal that security guys could properly shoot at. The intent of this issue was to gauge general interest in a PR that would specify one or both concepts. The signal I'm getting is mixed, to say the least. 

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 fully understand it. But I'm having trouble seeing if a BLOCKED bit will=
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<p>To defeat the cwnd attack, I believe QUIC has to insert PADDING frames=
 prior to the full delivery of the last STREAM data, to make the delivery=
 of the resource consistent (in terms of RTTs) regardless of echoed reque=
sts. This is all orthogonal to BLOCKED, of course. Even this only works i=
f PADDING counts against cwnd, which I don't believe is established.</p>
<p>If we can resolve this issue, there has to be access to the IFCW to ha=
ve a problem. This is in the clear, but  I'm not sure it's visible to the=
 javascript the attacker has installed on the browser. But if the attacke=
r can overcome these issues, I can see a problem where a blocked bit, spe=
cifically tied to connection flow control, can indicate when the actual p=
ayload has exceeded the flow control. If we reach this point, I would pro=
bably abandon the idea of having a blocked bit specifically related to co=
nnection flow control, and instead make it deliberately ambiguous between=
 stream and connection flow control. That probably makes things ambiguous=
 enough to defeat this attack.</p>
<p>Anyway, I'd have to define exactly what the blocked bit is, to have a =
proposal that security guys could properly shoot at. The intent of this i=
ssue was to gauge general interest in a PR that would specify one or both=
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martinthomson commented on this pull request.

I'm making these comments on the assumption of choosing option 1.  There's a lot more to do if option 3 is chosen, particularly around the stream state machine.

> @@ -1599,6 +1601,32 @@ Final offset:
   data written on this stream by the RST_STREAM sender.
 
 
+
+
+## DISINTEREST Frame {#frame-disinterest}
+
+An endpoint may use a DISINTEREST frame (type=0x08) to communicate that incoming
+data is being discarded on receipt at application request.  This signals a peer
+to abruptly terminate transmission on a stream.  The frame is as follows:
+
+~~~
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                        Error Code (32)                        |

I don't think that we need an error code here.  If we do, and there are semantics attached to that code, then that's an argument to move this to the application protocol, where the semantics can gain context.

> @@ -2018,7 +2047,26 @@ implementations SHOULD treat the receipt of a frame that is not expressly
 permitted in the description of a state as a connection error
 ({{error-handling}}). Frames of unknown types are ignored.
 
-(TODO: QUIC_STREAM_NO_ERROR is a special case.  Write it up.)
+
+## Solicited State Transitions
+
+If an endpoint is no longer interested in the data being received, it MAY send a
+DISINTEREST frame on a stream in the "open" or "half-closed (local)" state to
+request closure of the stream in the opposite direction.  This typically
+indicates that the receiving application is no longer reading from the stream
+and all future data will be discarded upon receipt.

... "However, it doesn't imply a guarantee that the receiver will discard data, the sender still needs to either reset the stream or complete its transmission of data."

> +If an endpoint is no longer interested in the data being received, it MAY send a
+DISINTEREST frame on a stream in the "open" or "half-closed (local)" state to
+request closure of the stream in the opposite direction.  This typically
+indicates that the receiving application is no longer reading from the stream
+and all future data will be discarded upon receipt.
+
+STREAM frames received after sending DISINTEREST are still counted toward the
+connection and stream flow-control windows.  Even though these frames will be
+discarded, because they are sent before their sender receives the DISINTEREST,
+the sender will consider the frames to count against its flow-control windows.
+
+Upon receipt of a DISINTEREST frame, an endpoint SHOULD send a RST_STREAM with
+an error code of QUIC_RECEIVED_RST.  If the DISINTEREST frame is received on a
+stream that is already in the "half-closed (local)" or "closed" states, a
+RST_STREAM frame SHOULD still be sent and retransmission of previously-sent
+STREAM frames SHOULD be cancelled.

We gots to get us some MUST here.  This isn't squishy.  The only real exemption to needing a RST_STREAM here is if the stream is long done.  If the sender is still (re)transmitting anything, then it needs to either finish that or move over to (re)transmitting a RST_STREAM.  Otherwise we have a wrinkle on the state machine and I don't want that, even if it could save a RST_STREAM.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<p>I'm making these comments on the assumption of choosing option 1.  There's a lot more to do if option 3 is chosen, particularly around the stream state machine.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/171#discussion_r105097776">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1599,6 +1601,32 @@ Final offset:
   data written on this stream by the RST_STREAM sender.
 
 
+
+
+## DISINTEREST Frame {#frame-disinterest}
+
+An endpoint may use a DISINTEREST frame (type=0x08) to communicate that incoming
+data is being discarded on receipt at application request.  This signals a peer
+to abruptly terminate transmission on a stream.  The frame is as follows:
+
+~~~
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                        Error Code (32)                        |
</pre>
<p>I don't think that we need an error code here.  If we do, and there are semantics attached to that code, then that's an argument to move this to the application protocol, where the semantics can gain context.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/171#discussion_r105098100">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2018,7 +2047,26 @@ implementations SHOULD treat the receipt of a frame that is not expressly
 permitted in the description of a state as a connection error
 ({{error-handling}}). Frames of unknown types are ignored.
 
-(TODO: QUIC_STREAM_NO_ERROR is a special case.  Write it up.)
+
+## Solicited State Transitions
+
+If an endpoint is no longer interested in the data being received, it MAY send a
+DISINTEREST frame on a stream in the &quot;open&quot; or &quot;half-closed (local)&quot; state to
+request closure of the stream in the opposite direction.  This typically
+indicates that the receiving application is no longer reading from the stream
+and all future data will be discarded upon receipt.
</pre>
<p>... "However, it doesn't imply a guarantee that the receiver will discard data, the sender still needs to either reset the stream or complete its transmission of data."</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/171#discussion_r105098282">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +If an endpoint is no longer interested in the data being received, it MAY send a
+DISINTEREST frame on a stream in the &quot;open&quot; or &quot;half-closed (local)&quot; state to
+request closure of the stream in the opposite direction.  This typically
+indicates that the receiving application is no longer reading from the stream
+and all future data will be discarded upon receipt.
+
+STREAM frames received after sending DISINTEREST are still counted toward the
+connection and stream flow-control windows.  Even though these frames will be
+discarded, because they are sent before their sender receives the DISINTEREST,
+the sender will consider the frames to count against its flow-control windows.
+
+Upon receipt of a DISINTEREST frame, an endpoint SHOULD send a RST_STREAM with
+an error code of QUIC_RECEIVED_RST.  If the DISINTEREST frame is received on a
+stream that is already in the &quot;half-closed (local)&quot; or &quot;closed&quot; states, a
+RST_STREAM frame SHOULD still be sent and retransmission of previously-sent
+STREAM frames SHOULD be cancelled.
</pre>
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Yes, I believe we're in the third case, at least today.  I may be able to produce some stats on what percentage of connections see blockage with existing settings, but it's very close to 0 today from server to client.  It's low, but not that close to 0 from client to server, where the flow control windows are much smaller.

But yes, it will depend upon the application, and so I can't forsee every possible use case.

I'm also a bit concerned about privacy leakage, as Martin pointed out, even though I wouldn't anticipate that being an information rich channel.

I'm happy to defend BLOCKED frames.  They've been amazingly useful in debugging and monitoring specific services and detecting implementation bugs.

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<p>But yes, it will depend upon the application, and so I can't forsee ever=
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<p>I'm also a bit concerned about privacy leakage, as Martin pointed out, e=
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<p>I'm happy to defend BLOCKED frames.  They've been amazingly useful in de=
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<p>Closed <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/135" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/135" data-id="199731485" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#135</a>.</p>

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@MikeBishop, do you think we can consider this done in light of #335?

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<p><a href="https://github.com/MikeBishop" class="user-mention">@MikeBishop</a>, do you think we can consider this done in light of <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/335" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/335" data-id="209625554" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#335</a>?</p>

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<p>Closed <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/119" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/119" data-id="198672930" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#119</a>.</p>

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Fixed.  Also, we now have a check that guarantees that figures are the right width.

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<p>Fixed.  Also, we now have a check that guarantees that figures are the right width.</p>

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#361 purports to address this; please re-open or file a new issue if that's incorrect.

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It's probably timely that we have the "how do you close a connection" discussion.

@janaiyengar and I were discussing one possibility.  In that model, the transport only has an explicit message for error-related closes.  The transport also has an idle timer that starts as soon as there are no open streams (note that this means nothing to send, nothing to receive).  The connection silently closes if that timer runs down without a new stream being opened.

The application protocol could define a message that could negotiate a graceful close to trigger this.  HTTP would need this, otherwise stream 3 would hold the connection open indefinitely.  To speed things up, the application protocol could force the timer to be shortened to basically FIN_WAIT2 (a couple of RTOs) by telling the transport that it was done.  (You need to wait around a little for retransmissions and reordering.)

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<p>It's probably timely that we have the "how do you close a connection" di=
scussion.</p>
<p><a href=3D"https://github.com/janaiyengar" class=3D"user-mention">@janai=
yengar</a> and I were discussing one possibility.  In that model, the trans=
port only has an explicit message for error-related closes.  The transport =
also has an idle timer that starts as soon as there are no open streams (no=
te that this means nothing to send, nothing to receive).  The connection si=
lently closes if that timer runs down without a new stream being opened.</p>
<p>The application protocol could define a message that could negotiate a g=
raceful close to trigger this.  HTTP would need this, otherwise stream 3 wo=
uld hold the connection open indefinitely.  To speed things up, the applica=
tion protocol could force the timer to be shortened to basically FIN_WAIT2 =
(a couple of RTOs) by telling the transport that it was done.  (You need to=
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@janaiyengar I think that we can close this.  There were lots of improvements to this text and I think that we captured the spirit of this well enough.

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<p><a href="https://github.com/janaiyengar" class="user-mention">@janaiyengar</a> I think that we can close this.  There were lots of improvements to this text and I think that we captured the spirit of this well enough.</p>

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Closed #67.

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Marking as of interest for discussion in Chicago, if the mailing list discussion doesn't resolve before then.

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@MikeBishop, I think that we addressed this, do you agree?

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<p><a href="https://github.com/MikeBishop" class="user-mention">@MikeBishop</a>, I think that we addressed this, do you agree?</p>

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@ianswett fixed this in #360.  Reopen if you think that this is wrong.

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<p><a href="https://github.com/ianswett" class="user-mention">@ianswett</a> fixed this in <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/360" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/360" data-id="212263506" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#360</a>.  Reopen if you think that this is wrong.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/scale_connection_flow_control
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Changed paths:
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Closed with #122.

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I think that this just needs some text as Ted observes.

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<p>I think that this just needs some text as Ted observes.</p>

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  Some formatting and wording fixes to the new headers


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  Why didn't my local build catch that?


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  Merge pull request #380 from quicwg/header_fix

Mostly-minor header touchups


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I suspect that this will be handled by the TLS working group (if at all).  @mnot, @larseggert, what would you prefer we do to this issue given that it is out of our hands?

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<p>I suspect that this will be handled by the TLS working group (if at all).  <a href="https://github.com/mnot" class="user-mention">@mnot</a>, <a href="https://github.com/larseggert" class="user-mention">@larseggert</a>, what would you prefer we do to this issue given that it is out of our hands?</p>

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The denial of service exposure is limited to an attacker successfully racing their ServerHello with the legitimate response from the real server.  With #361, an attacker doesn't need to see the entropy in the QUIC header to construct this message, all it has to know is that the client is going to be trying to handshake on a given 5-tuple. 

The fact that the remainder of the packet will be unusable (an off-path attacker won't be able to construct a valid set of handshake traffic keys) doesn't mean that the client will be any happier.  The only defense against that is to insist that the client operate multiple parallel handshakes.  That's probably too much effort for an attack with such narrow applicability.

If the attacker is on-path, they win, of course.

Historically, we've let denial of service attacks on the handshake to succeed, it's just too easy for an attacker to mess with things at that stage.  That might be the right answer here too.

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<p>The fact that the remainder of the packet will be unusable (an off-path =
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Closed with #361.  Please reopen more specific issues for areas in which you disagree with that design.

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<p>Closed with <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/361" data-id="212297288" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#361</a>.  Please reopen more specific issues for areas in which you disagree with that design.</p>

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I think that we're good with this.

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<p>I think that we're good with this.</p>

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I think that this was mostly addressed with #361.  @marten-seemann reopen this if you think that we need to include specific text dealing with collisions.

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<p>I think that this was mostly addressed with <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/361" data-id="212297288" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#361</a>.  <a href="https://github.com/marten-seemann" class="user-mention">@marten-seemann</a> reopen this if you think that we need to include specific text dealing with collisions.</p>

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Fixes #341.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/381

-- Commit Summary --

  * ACK means all frames processed; closed means all frames ACK'd

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (62)

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<p>Fixes <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/341" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/341" data-id="209903637" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#341</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>ACK means all frames processed; closed means all frames ACK&#39;d</li>
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It wasn't in Jana's list, but #361 fixes this, too, I think.

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<p>It wasn't in Jana's list, but <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/361" data-id="212297288" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#361</a> fixes this, too, I think.</p>

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#378 would bring this limit back into play.

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Closed #264.

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Closed by #275.

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#361 purports to address this; please re-open or file a new issue if that's incorrect.

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  Branch: refs/heads/stream1_is_not_that_special
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 80f93a82942eaf4df1eb29890d211e8bcb7e34ff
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/80f93a82942eaf4df1eb29890d211e8bcb7e34ff
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-10 (Fri, 10 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Remove flow control and congestion exemptions for stream 1

This stream simply isn't that important.  We should be able to
function without the exemption.  If we can't (i.e., because flow
control limits are too tight), then connections just fail.


  Commit: 019b901bb9c7f9e133de9b3d35b33711ef6f4374
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/019b901bb9c7f9e133de9b3d35b33711ef6f4374
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-10 (Fri, 10 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Limit cryptographic handshake size to 64K

Now that we have default values for the flow control offsets,
it isn't that much of a reach to use those limits for the handshake
as well.  This avoids a special case for stream 1 by imposing a
limit that no sane implementation will ever reach.  It does put a
hard limit on the size of certificates, but that limit is quite
generous.


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/80f93a82942e^...019b901bb9c7
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This stream simply isn't that important.  We should definitely be able to function without the congestion control exemption.  I also removed the flow control exemption in line with other decisions we have made not to exempt stream 1 (it counts toward the concurrent stream limit, for example).  That was harder, but all it takes is realizing that we have default values for flow control that can be used prior to handshake completion.  Those defaults are so abundantly generous that only the most perverse certificate (or PQ key exchange) will get close to overflowing.

Closes #248.
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  * Remove flow control and congestion exemptions for stream 1
  * Limit cryptographic handshake size to 64K

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (39)

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<p>This stream simply isn't that important.  We should definitely be able to function without the congestion control exemption.  I also removed the flow control exemption in line with other decisions we have made not to exempt stream 1 (it counts toward the concurrent stream limit, for example).  That was harder, but all it takes is realizing that we have default values for flow control that can be used prior to handshake completion.  Those defaults are so abundantly generous that only the most perverse certificate (or PQ key exchange) will get close to overflowing.</p>
<p>Closes <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/248" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/248" data-id="203909433" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#248</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Remove flow control and congestion exemptions for stream 1</li>
  <li>Limit cryptographic handshake size to 64K</li>
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I just modified the OP to note that this also closes #200.

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<p>I just modified the OP to note that this also closes <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/200" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/200" data-id="202447604" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#200</a>.</p>

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Note that #374 fixes this for TLS.

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: ef7f5c3740ade2150bd6673f0f514b13ed5843d7
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  Date:   2017-02-24 (Fri, 24 Feb 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Add a section on what to do when unprotecting a packet fails (hint: throw it away)


  Commit: da610a0be9b5ab4b5469c7b0827e588afa4e25b9
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  Date:   2017-03-02 (Thu, 02 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Deal with bad key phase changes somehow


  Commit: 081c5517f8fc952a8accc914d74036e7d1b22906
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  Date:   2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Making it clear that an endpoint using an old key is indeciperable from an attack.


  Commit: 9c2c73e746777c62eb9e2459aa5a273b9002234b
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  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-10 (Fri, 10 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #345 from quicwg/reorder_old_packets

Add a section on what to do when unprotecting a packet fails


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/128a25ed716a...9c2c73e74677
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BTW, @MikeBishop, the commit hook doesn't check line length.  It's a failing of the way that the checks are added.  I can maybe restructure things, but it is a little complicated.

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<p>BTW, <a href="https://github.com/MikeBishop" class="user-mention">@MikeBishop</a>, the commit hook doesn't check line length.  It's a failing of the way that the checks are added.  I can maybe restructure things, but it is a little complicated.</p>

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Yes, #361 the all-destroyer.  If anyone thinks that more needs to be done here (or they disagree with the design proposed by #361), please open another issue.

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<p>Yes, <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/361" data-id="212297288" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#361</a> the all-destroyer.  If anyone thinks that more needs to be done here (or they disagree with the design proposed by <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/361" data-id="212297288" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#361</a>), please open another issue.</p>

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This appears to be fixed by #360.

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<p>This appears to be fixed by <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/360" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/360" data-id="212263506" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#360</a>.</p>

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These are fixed and should no longer continue to pop up.

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<p>These are fixed and should no longer continue to pop up.</p>

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We now forbid the generation of an ACK in response to an ACK (lest the two endpoints talk each other to death over nothing), rather than recommend acknowledging only a fraction of ACKs.  That's great, and much easier to implement.

However, when removing STOP_WAITING, @ianswett wanted to have a way to solicit an ACK so that a receiver could stop sending acknowledgments for some packets.  He suggested using PING, which is great.  I have another suggestion that I think is superior: WINDOW_UPDATE.  Like PING, WINDOW_UPDATE causes an ACK to be generated, albeit with less urgency and a receiver is highly like to need to send one occasionally.  I think that PING is still viable, but WINDOW_UPDATE is likely to happen naturally anyway.

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<p>We now forbid the generation of an ACK in response to an ACK (lest the two endpoints talk each other to death over nothing), rather than recommend acknowledging only a fraction of ACKs.  That's great, and much easier to implement.</p>
<p>However, when removing STOP_WAITING, <a href="https://github.com/ianswett" class="user-mention">@ianswett</a> wanted to have a way to solicit an ACK so that a receiver could stop sending acknowledgments for some packets.  He suggested using PING, which is great.  I have another suggestion that I think is superior: WINDOW_UPDATE.  Like PING, WINDOW_UPDATE causes an ACK to be generated, albeit with less urgency and a receiver is highly like to need to send one occasionally.  I think that PING is still viable, but WINDOW_UPDATE is likely to happen naturally anyway.</p>

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Interesting idea. One (important?) difference is that a WINDOW_UPDATE is retransmittable.

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<p>Interesting idea. One (important?) difference is that a WINDOW_UPDATE is retransmittable.</p>

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I'd like to make the argument that if we don't define a maximum packet size here, implementations should be allowed to choose one and drop larger packets.

I have very little experience with PMTUD, but wouldn't consistently dropping these packets look like one element on the path doesn't suppport the higher MTU and cause the peer to reduce the packet size?

Setting a maximum packet size is essentially a DoS defense for an implementation. During the handshake, undecrytable packets have to be queued (because reordering can happen). In quic-go, we're queuing up to 10 packets before sending a Public Reset, which is a reasonably small memory commitment of about 15 kB. Things might look different if these were maximum size UDP packets though.



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<p>I'd like to make the argument that if we don't define a maximum packet=
 size here, implementations should be allowed to choose one and drop larg=
er packets.</p>
<p>I have very little experience with PMTUD, but wouldn't consistently dr=
opping these packets look like one element on the path doesn't suppport t=
he higher MTU and cause the peer to reduce the packet size?</p>
<p>Setting a maximum packet size is essentially a DoS defense for an impl=
ementation. During the handshake, undecrytable packets have to be queued =
(because reordering can happen). In quic-go, we're queuing up to 10 packe=
ts before sending a Public Reset, which is a reasonably small memory comm=
itment of about 15 kB. Things might look different if these were maximum =
size UDP packets though.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/what_is_ack
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  ACK means all frames processed; closed means all frames ACK'd



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Would PING frames reset this idle timer?

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<p>Would PING frames reset this idle timer?</p>

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Related: pull request #384 proposes that handshake be completed within 64 KB of stream 1 data.

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@martinthomson Dropping packets that are too large doesn't provide much feedback, but that's a failure mode QUIC, at least in Chrome, has to deal with gracefully.  It's much more likely the path drops the packet before it arrives at the server, possibly sending an ICMP packet in the process.

For a while, GQUIC would read packets up to 2000 bytes, but send back an error if the packet was larger than 1460 or something.  This path was almost never hit, but created unnecessary code complexity.

So I'd support no max packet size, with dropping being the way to deal with overly large ones, but possibly we want to require all endpoints support 1500 byte packets as a minimum?

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tinthomson</a> Dropping packets that are too large doesn't provide much fee=
dback, but that's a failure mode QUIC, at least in Chrome, has to deal with=
 gracefully.  It's much more likely the path drops the packet before it arr=
ives at the server, possibly sending an ICMP packet in the process.</p>
<p>For a while, GQUIC would read packets up to 2000 bytes, but send back an=
 error if the packet was larger than 1460 or something.  This path was almo=
st never hit, but created unnecessary code complexity.</p>
<p>So I'd support no max packet size, with dropping being the way to deal w=
ith overly large ones, but possibly we want to require all endpoints suppor=
t 1500 byte packets as a minimum?</p>

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@lucas-clemente PING frames reset the idle timer today in GQUIC, and that has been useful.

@martinthomson GQUIC currently closes silently by default and does close connections if there are open streams, but only after a PING has already been sent, but not acked.  It's possible one can design something better, but I don't think closing the headers(or crypto) streams should be necessary.

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> ...but possibly we want to require all endpoints support 1500 byte packets as a minimum?

@ianswett, why?

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Great idea, let's change it to recommend WINDOW_UPDATE.  It is natural to bundle flow control updates with acks and when autotuning is implemented well, one would send a flow control update message slightly less than once per RTT when not application limited.

PING is also retransmittable, so that doesn't change.

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I was thinking that a peer would want to know what the max MTU it should try is if we're doing PathMTU, and that most connections would want to use a size a bit larger than 1280.  

But possibly this is something that could be sent in the handshake if we thought it was useful, instead of having a mandated size?

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I think this is fine, since neither of these limits should really cause grevious harm to the connection or the handshake. But it should be discussed.

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Changed paths:
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  HTTP/2 Guidance and Extensions (#363)

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Closed #242 via #363.

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<p>Closed <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/242" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/242" data-id="203309349" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#242</a> via <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/363" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/363" data-id="212306824" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#363</a>.</p>

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Merged #363.

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ianswett commented on this pull request.

This seems fine, but I thought we decided to exclude the handshake from connection flow control, due to concerns about the client filling up the flow control with 0RTT data and not being able to complete the handshake?  



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<p>This seems fine, but I thought we decided to exclude the handshake from connection flow control, due to concerns about the client filling up the flow control with 0RTT data and not being able to complete the handshake?</p>

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janaiyengar approved this pull request.

This looks great -- thanks, Mike.



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<p><b>@janaiyengar</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>This looks great -- thanks, Mike.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  ACK means all frames processed; closed means all frames ACK'd


  Commit: 9c1d413780a50f27fe381c4b2e63bf60384d121c
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  Merge pull request #381 from quicwg/what_is_ack

ACK means all frames processed; closed means all frames ACK'd


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janaiyengar approved this pull request.

One thought, but looks fine. I'll merge anyways.

> @@ -1530,12 +1532,31 @@ Stream ID:
 : ID of the stream whose flow control windows is being updated, or 0 to specify
   the connection-level flow control window.
 
-Byte offset:
+Flow Control Offset:
+
+: A 64-bit unsigned integer indicating the flow control offset for the given
+  stream (for a stream ID other than 0) or the entire connection.
+
+The flow control offset is expressed in units of octets for individual streams

Why not use a 1K multiplier for both stream and connection-level?

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<p><b>@janaiyengar</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>One thought, but looks fine. I'll merge anyways.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/378#discussion_r105479712">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1530,12 +1532,31 @@ Stream ID:
 : ID of the stream whose flow control windows is being updated, or 0 to specify
   the connection-level flow control window.
 
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+: A 64-bit unsigned integer indicating the flow control offset for the given
+  stream (for a stream ID other than 0) or the entire connection.
+
+The flow control offset is expressed in units of octets for individual streams
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<p>Why not use a 1K multiplier for both stream and connection-level?</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Flow control accounting uses the maximum data offset on each stream

Also, scales the connection-level flow control window by 1024

Closes #370, #340.


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  Merge pull request #378 from quicwg/scale_connection_flow_control

Flow control accounting uses the maximum data offset on each stream


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Can you rebase?



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Can you rebase?



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Why would a browser access a dedicated service running over QUIC? I think this PR touches on something that's not gotten a lot of airtime yet -- that using QUIC without a fallback may not be a good idea for the public Internet, specifically since UDP reachability is not universal. This definitely needs discussion.

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  Branch: refs/heads/sst-ref
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: c45c755920cedf2bb458c382b1ac02730cf67bc3
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c45c755920cedf2bb458c382b1ac02730cf67bc3
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  Date:   2017-03-10 (Fri, 10 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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based on PR #333 
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-- Commit Summary --

  * Fixes SST reference
  * tab

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (6)

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<p>based on PR <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/333" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/333" data-id="209377948" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#333</a></p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Fixes SST reference</li>
  <li>tab</li>
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<h4>File Changes</h4>
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    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/386/files#diff-0">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>
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  <li><a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/386.diff'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/386.diff</a></li>
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  Branch: refs/heads/sst-ref
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: d37a0993897821e07d7bd5b040af4be9b1716e57
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d37a0993897821e07d7bd5b040af4be9b1716e57
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-10 (Fri, 10 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: c45c755920cedf2bb458c382b1ac02730cf67bc3
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c45c755920cedf2bb458c382b1ac02730cf67bc3
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  Fixes SST reference


  Commit: 14021f393a6899d4f0eaa5be00da207e87014837
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  tab


  Commit: d37a0993897821e07d7bd5b040af4be9b1716e57
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  remove url


  Commit: a30f957a0050e63811975973e442488db53ee4c4
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #386 from quicwg/sst-ref

Fixes SST reference


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/af1b2a0d043f...a30f957a0050
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I've fixed the build error and merged as PR #386 (removed the url since it was breaking the 80-col rule. The url is unnecessary anyways.)

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<p>I've fixed the build error and merged as PR <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/386" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/386" data-id="213448672" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#386</a> (removed the url since it was breaking the 80-col rule. The url is unnecessary anyways.)</p>

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Why mandate a minimum size at all?  I think it should be up to the server.  If the server is waiting to accept packets carrying just 10 bytes (for example) of stream data payload, so be it.  Certainly it is not a good idea for a web server on the Internet as it would take hundreds of packets to complete a handshake, but who knows how someone would want to use QUIC?

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Why (in the next 20 years) wouldn't a browser access a dedicated service running over QUIC as the first choice, hopefully by that time QUIC density will be such that every network does support UDP.

More concretely for the short term ALT-SVC isn't the only way to signal different ways to retrieve files. For instance DASH supports supplying multiple alternative base URLS within the manifest files, it would seem sensible to explicitly signal which servers can be used with httpq directly, otherwise all the benefits of 0RTT get lost. I don't think it is a reasonable assumption to assume that CDNs (or other large distributed systems) would necessarily be configured with all nodes supporting all services, it would be quite reasonable to deploy HTTP only and QUIC only nodes.

Another scenario a HTTPQ url would be sensible to support is when a QUIC service wants to generate a 302 redirect to cause the client to connect to a different node. The server can safely assume the client will be able to make another QUIC connection (particularly if the two server nodes are in the same network location). But when a client is presented with a redirect to a node it has never connected to it has no knowledge as to whether it should keep using HTTPQ or initially start with using HTTP. As I've already said I don't think it is a fair requirement to insist that all QUIC implementations must also be running an HTTP server.

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<p>Why (in the next 20 years) wouldn't a browser access a dedicated service=
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 will be such that every network does support UDP.</p>
<p>More concretely for the short term ALT-SVC isn't the only way to signal =
different ways to retrieve files. For instance DASH supports supplying mult=
iple alternative base URLS within the manifest files, it would seem sensibl=
e to explicitly signal which servers can be used with httpq directly, other=
wise all the benefits of 0RTT get lost. I don't think it is a reasonable as=
sumption to assume that CDNs (or other large distributed systems) would nec=
essarily be configured with all nodes supporting all services, it would be =
quite reasonable to deploy HTTP only and QUIC only nodes.</p>
<p>Another scenario a HTTPQ url would be sensible to support is when a QUIC=
 service wants to generate a 302 redirect to cause the client to connect to=
 a different node. The server can safely assume the client will be able to =
make another QUIC connection (particularly if the two server nodes are in t=
he same network location). But when a client is presented with a redirect t=
o a node it has never connected to it has no knowledge as to whether it sho=
uld keep using HTTPQ or initially start with using HTTP. As I've already sa=
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  Branch: refs/heads/frame-types
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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (15)

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@Aron-Schats: the minimum size is required to avoid amplification attacks (see Packetization and Reliability section in the transport draft.) 

I think removing the error code is fine. Anything that an endpoint sends as an untested packet size mid-connection will naturally be a part of PMTUD, in which case, the endpoint will also be prepared to deal with it getting dropped. I would expect detecting server support of an untested packet size to be part of PMTUD.

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It does depend on exactly how often the receiver may want to send a WINDOW_UPDATE (Chrome advertizes a 10MB offset, so UPDATEs are not really frequent.) I'd say that an implementation can make this decision on its own... if you're about to or just did send a STREAM frame, you don't need to send anything. I would generalize this recommendation to say something like "when an endpoint needs to solicit an ACK, it sends a retransmittable frame. A PING frame is a natural choice, but a WINDOW_UPDATE may be used as well, if the endpoint expects to send one anway. The endpoint may already be waiting for an ack of a STREAM_FRAME, and may therefore not need to send any additional frames."

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I would slightly prefer recommending the receiver send a WINDOW_UPDATE instead of a PING, since it's actually a useful frame.  And I'd rather have a specific recommendation, then leave it open to implementers.

I plan to implement this soon in GQUIC, and I'd definitely prefer sending a WINDOW_UPDATE instead of a PING.

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Yeah, not sure if the fact that you are encouraged to repair WINDOW_UPDATE is a feature, bug, or just an irrelevant bit of info.  Not getting an ACK for that packet means that you might have to send again, but the same is more or less true for PING too (given that the usual reason to send PING is to solicit an ACK).

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Should we encourage implementations to include a timestamp for the specific packet that contains a PING when acknowledging it?

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<p>Should we encourage implementations to include a timestamp for the specific packet that contains a PING when acknowledging it?</p>

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PING frames are retransmittable, so the current text in 8.2 indicates one SHOULD include a timestamp.  This seems reasonable.  Is there a reason to do something else?

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<p>PING frames are retransmittable, so the current text in 8.2 indicates one SHOULD include a timestamp.  This seems reasonable.  Is there a reason to do something else?</p>

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The text says: " A receiver SHOULD send a timestamp exactly once for each retransmittable packet recevied."  Which doesn't really directly identify PING.  (Also, typo, and packets arent' retransmittable.)

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<p>The text says: " A receiver SHOULD send a timestamp exactly once for each retransmittable packet recevied."  Which doesn't really directly identify PING.  (Also, typo, and packets arent' retransmittable.)</p>

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Yes, it should be "for each received packet containing retransmittable frames."

It doesn't directly address PING, but a PING is retransmittable, so I don't think it needs to.

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<p>Yes, it should be "for each received packet containing retransmittable frames."</p>
<p>It doesn't directly address PING, but a PING is retransmittable, so I don't think it needs to.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-fix-timestamp-spelling
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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Hopefully addresses #388 
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  * Fix timestamp phrasing and spelling

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (4)

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<p>Hopefully addresses <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/388" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/388" data-id="213642210" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#388</a></p>

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@ianswett, I suggested closing stream 3 because otherwise the transport has no information about whether the connection is still "in use".  That's a consequence of a logical separation of transport and HTTP.  If we wanted to avoid that, we would need to identify "static" streams.

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Ahh, yes, I had forgotten that little tidbit.  I'll revise this to allow the exception for flow control.

That said, the server has the ability to send an authenticated WINDOW_UPDATE if it accepts 0-RTT (the only case where this matters, because otherwise 0-RTT data doesn't count*****).

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We need to be very clear about what the rules are regarding 0-RTT packets that are rejected by the server.  I think that this should be:

* Rejected 0-RTT packets don't count toward flow control.  The server can't see them, so we have to assume that they don't exist for this purpose.

* Rejected 0-RTT packets **do** count toward congestion control limits.  Congestion control is a local thing, and the packets were sent, which means that they are causing congestion.

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<p>We need to be very clear about what the rules are regarding 0-RTT packets that are rejected by the server.  I think that this should be:</p>
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<p>Rejected 0-RTT packets don't count toward flow control.  The server can't see them, so we have to assume that they don't exist for this purpose.</p>
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: f3af8a42d1237c3be63c87f1ddb22c8a4c3ff0cc
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  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2017-03-12 (Sun, 12 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Fix timestamp phrasing and spelling


  Commit: e3a318a4e69100bbb7d80bcd4c47f447845a6b9a
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  Merge pull request #389 from quicwg/ianswett-fix-timestamp-spelling

Fix timestamp phrasing and spelling


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/a30f957a0050...e3a318a4e691
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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-fix-timestamp-spelling
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> @@ -1530,12 +1532,31 @@ Stream ID:
 : ID of the stream whose flow control windows is being updated, or 0 to specify
   the connection-level flow control window.
 
-Byte offset:
+Flow Control Offset:
+
+: A 64-bit unsigned integer indicating the flow control offset for the given
+  stream (for a stream ID other than 0) or the entire connection.
+
+The flow control offset is expressed in units of octets for individual streams

I considered it, but streams don't need as much space and they might benefit from a more granular expression of where they are up to.  We can refine this later.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/378#discussion_r105574116">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1530,12 +1532,31 @@ Stream ID:
 : ID of the stream whose flow control windows is being updated, or 0 to specify
   the connection-level flow control window.
 
-Byte offset:
+Flow Control Offset:
+
+: A 64-bit unsigned integer indicating the flow control offset for the given
+  stream (for a stream ID other than 0) or the entire connection.
+
+The flow control offset is expressed in units of octets for individual streams
</pre>
<p>I considered it, but streams don't need as much space and they might benefit from a more granular expression of where they are up to.  We can refine this later.</p>

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Closed #192.

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I've a PR open on kramdown-rfc2629 that will eventually make this redundant.

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<p>I've a PR open on kramdown-rfc2629 that will eventually make this redundant.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: f3c37752cf10c5e53939a74a5363af63b98c003a
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f3c37752cf10c5e53939a74a5363af63b98c003a
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri@google.com>
  Date:   2017-03-10 (Fri, 10 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Editorial fix to frame types table


  Commit: ecab80958c111d67aca677fbbbb9e839ec72e923
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ecab80958c111d67aca677fbbbb9e839ec72e923
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-13 (Mon, 13 Mar 2017)

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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #387 from quicwg/frame-types

Editorial fix to frame types table


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/e3a318a4e691...ecab80958c11
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I agree with the view that this looks a lot like PMTUD, providing that the endpoint is consistent in how it drops larger packets.

Is there any value in signaling a maximum if you are operating a constrained implementation?

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Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Flow/congestion control and rejected 0-RTT (#390)
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On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Martin Thomson <notifications@github.com>
wrote:

> We need to be very clear about what the rules are regarding 0-RTT packets
> that are rejected by the server. I think that this should be:
>
=E2=80=8BThanks for bringing this up. Clarity here seems critical.=E2=80=8B

>
>    -
>
>    Rejected 0-RTT packets don't count toward flow control. The server
>    can't see them, so we have to assume that they don't exist for this pu=
rpose.
>
> =E2=80=8BHm. It's true that the server doesn't see these packets. But flo=
w-control
happens at the stream layer, not the packet layer.=E2=80=8B
=E2=80=8B(For example, when a normal packet is retransmitted, the flow cont=
rol
limits are obviously not affected). =E2=80=8B
If the client decides to retransmit the data in the rejected packets (the
common behavior, I think) then the client
=E2=80=8Bdoes not need to change the flow control counts from their state w=
hen the
data was sent.

But yet, if a client choses to do drop the data in those packets then, yes,
I agree that they should not count against flow control limits.

>
>    - Rejected 0-RTT packets *do* count toward congestion control limits.
>    Congestion control is a local thing, and the packets were sent, which =
means
>    that they are causing congestion.
>
> =E2=80=8BKeep in mind that if a 0-RTT handshake is rejected, then the sev=
er will
not be able to ACK the 0-RTT packets, because it will not be able to
decrypt them. So I think this mean that when a client receives the reject,
it needs to act as if the 0-RTT packets were lost which means to no longer
consider them in flight, and not count against the congestion window.=E2=80=
=8B


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&gt;<br>
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&gt;    - Rejected 0-RTT packets *do* count toward congestion control limit=
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&gt; =E2=80=8BKeep in mind that if a 0-RTT handshake is rejected, then the =
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decrypt them. So I think this mean that when a client receives the reject,<=
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it needs to act as if the 0-RTT packets were lost which means to no longer<=
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Ahh, yes, the point about retransmission is a good one.  If the model is that 0-RTT packets are just "lost", then retransmissions will take care of everything.  We should say that.

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<p>Ahh, yes, the point about retransmission is a good one.  If the model =
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 90da0e04e7d5d9c8098eb22f22eb4af90ff2828a
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/90da0e04e7d5d9c8098eb22f22eb4af90ff2828a
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-13 (Mon, 13 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

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If you are a constrained implementation or you know that you are behind a path with PMTU smaller than usual, it is better to let the peer know rather than have the peer waste a round trip (in the best case) to discover this for itself.

TCP negotiates MSS.

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Replaces #357 and #367. It adds optional packet number echo to the short header, with the echo taking the same size as the packet number, including guidance as to the selecting packet number size.
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  * manually rebase packet number echo on post-#361 master

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (57)

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<p>Replaces <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/357" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/357" data-id="211586432" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#357</a> and <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/367" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/367" data-id="212367580" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#367</a>. It adds optional packet number echo to the short header, with the echo taking the same size as the packet number, including guidance as to the selecting packet number size.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>manually rebase packet number echo on post-#361 master</li>
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found a vestigial 48-bit packet number while rebasing packet number echo.
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  * editorial: packet numbers in headers are max 32 bits

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (2)

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<p>found a vestigial 48-bit packet number while rebasing packet number echo.</p>

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  <li>editorial: packet numbers in headers are max 32 bits</li>
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Version of #391 (replacing #368), adds optional packet number echo to the short header, but makes both packet number and packet number echo fields in the short header 32 bits. Implemented largely by removing complexity from #391.
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  * manually rebase packet number echo on post-#361 master
  * missing [optional brackets] on echo
  * remove all variable-length-ness from packet number echo, manually rebased on full #361

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 15ef40fa06927bfc2063d40eef15dd20d8e7b604
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  Author: Brian Trammell <brian@trammell.ch>
  Date:   2017-03-13 (Mon, 13 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

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  editorial: packet numbers in headers are max 32 bits


  Commit: 642193e05017306ff43910084a186074e128fd51
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  Merge pull request #392 from britram/missed-a-big-packet-number

editorial: packet numbers in headers are max 32 bits


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/90da0e04e7d5...642193e05017
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Merged #392.

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<p>Merged <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/392" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/392" data-id="213721929" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#392</a>.</p>

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@britram, it's OK to force push.

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<p><a href="https://github.com/britram" class="user-mention">@britram</a>, it's OK to force push.</p>

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It may be nice to signal MSS, but this could only be the endpoint value, unless one of the peers had particularly good knowledge of the path.  So I'd suggest a handshake negotiated value, to the min of the two peers, since it's assume the max endpoint size is the same for sending and receiving.

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>  
 ### Initial Packet Number
 
 The initial value for packet number MUST be a 31-bit random number.  That is,
 the value is selected from an uniform random distribution between 0 and 2^31-1.
 {{?RFC4086}} provides guidance on the generation of random values.
 
-The first set of packets sent by an endpoint MUST include the low 32-bits of the
-packet number.  Once any packet has been acknowledged, subsequent packets can
-use a shorter packet number encoding.
+
+### Packet Number Echo {#packet-number-echo}
+
+If present, the Packet Number Echo field contains the least significant 32 bits
+of the highest packet number seen in the opposite direction before this packet
+was sent. This allows devices along the path to estimate round-trip times and
+observe indications of loss, for passive performance measurement of QUIC flows
+equivalent to present techniques using TCP sequence and acknowledgement numbers
+and/or timestamps.
+
+The Packet Number Echo field SHOULD be present on 1-RTT packets containing at
+least one ACK frame (see {{frame-ack}}). For efficiency's sake, it MAY be

Is there any reason hat the Echo should be in packets containing ACK frames? Since the Echo is only used by middleboxes, for whom the payload is opaque anyway, it shouldn't matter which packet the Echo is sent on.
Even though it doesn't reveal a lot about the packet contents, I'd prefer to not divulge any information about the frame types contained in a packet, unless there's a compelling reason to do so. 

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/393#discussion_r105671824">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
 ### Initial Packet Number
 
 The initial value for packet number MUST be a 31-bit random number.  That is,
 the value is selected from an uniform random distribution between 0 and 2^31-1.
 {{?RFC4086}} provides guidance on the generation of random values.
 
-The first set of packets sent by an endpoint MUST include the low 32-bits of the
-packet number.  Once any packet has been acknowledged, subsequent packets can
-use a shorter packet number encoding.
+
+### Packet Number Echo {#packet-number-echo}
+
+If present, the Packet Number Echo field contains the least significant 32 bits
+of the highest packet number seen in the opposite direction before this packet
+was sent. This allows devices along the path to estimate round-trip times and
+observe indications of loss, for passive performance measurement of QUIC flows
+equivalent to present techniques using TCP sequence and acknowledgement numbers
+and/or timestamps.
+
+The Packet Number Echo field SHOULD be present on 1-RTT packets containing at
+least one ACK frame (see {{frame-ack}}). For efficiency&#39;s sake, it MAY be
</pre>
<p>Is there any reason hat the Echo should be in packets containing ACK frames? Since the Echo is only used by middleboxes, for whom the payload is opaque anyway, it shouldn't matter which packet the Echo is sent on.<br>
Even though it doesn't reveal a lot about the packet contents, I'd prefer to not divulge any information about the frame types contained in a packet, unless there's a compelling reason to do so.</p>

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> -packet number.  Once any packet has been acknowledged, subsequent packets can
-use a shorter packet number encoding.
+
+### Packet Number Echo {#packet-number-echo}
+
+If present, the Packet Number Echo field contains the least significant 32 bits
+of the highest packet number seen in the opposite direction before this packet
+was sent. This allows devices along the path to estimate round-trip times and
+observe indications of loss, for passive performance measurement of QUIC flows
+equivalent to present techniques using TCP sequence and acknowledgement numbers
+and/or timestamps.
+
+The Packet Number Echo field SHOULD be present on 1-RTT packets containing at
+least one ACK frame (see {{frame-ack}}). For efficiency's sake, it MAY be
+omitted if a 1-RTT packet containing an ACK frame has already been sent during a
+time interval equal to the sender's current estimate of the RTT.

This is actually a big difference. When a peer is sending stream data, the receiver will generate an ACK for every two packets received. On high bandwidth links, this means that a lot of ACKs are sent per RTT.
I think we should be explicit about this and just require one Echo per RTT. 

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/393#discussion_r105672830">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -packet number.  Once any packet has been acknowledged, subsequent packets can
-use a shorter packet number encoding.
+
+### Packet Number Echo {#packet-number-echo}
+
+If present, the Packet Number Echo field contains the least significant 32 bits
+of the highest packet number seen in the opposite direction before this packet
+was sent. This allows devices along the path to estimate round-trip times and
+observe indications of loss, for passive performance measurement of QUIC flows
+equivalent to present techniques using TCP sequence and acknowledgement numbers
+and/or timestamps.
+
+The Packet Number Echo field SHOULD be present on 1-RTT packets containing at
+least one ACK frame (see {{frame-ack}}). For efficiency&#39;s sake, it MAY be
+omitted if a 1-RTT packet containing an ACK frame has already been sent during a
+time interval equal to the sender&#39;s current estimate of the RTT.
</pre>
<p>This is actually a big difference. When a peer is sending stream data, the receiver will generate an ACK for every two packets received. On high bandwidth links, this means that a lot of ACKs are sent per RTT.<br>
I think we should be explicit about this and just require one Echo per RTT.</p>

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> @@ -676,42 +682,38 @@ CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with the error code QUIC_SEQUENCE_NUMBER_LIMIT_REACHED
 (connection termination is described in {{termination}}.)
 
 To reduce the number of bits required to represent the packet number over the
-wire, only the least significant bits of the packet number are transmitted over
-the wire, up to 48 bits.  The actual packet number for each packet is
-reconstructed at the receiver based on the largest packet number received on a
-successfully authenticated packet.
+wire, only the least significant 32 bits of the packet number are transmitted
+over the wire. The actual packet number for each packet is reconstructed at the
+receiver based on the largest packet number received on a successfully
+authenticated packet.

Is there any reason for a receiver to reconstruct the echoed packet number? If I understand this PR correctly, this value is of no interest for the end points, but only for middleboxes. 

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/393#discussion_r105673655">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -676,42 +682,38 @@ CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with the error code QUIC_SEQUENCE_NUMBER_LIMIT_REACHED
 (connection termination is described in {{termination}}.)
 
 To reduce the number of bits required to represent the packet number over the
-wire, only the least significant bits of the packet number are transmitted over
-the wire, up to 48 bits.  The actual packet number for each packet is
-reconstructed at the receiver based on the largest packet number received on a
-successfully authenticated packet.
+wire, only the least significant 32 bits of the packet number are transmitted
+over the wire. The actual packet number for each packet is reconstructed at the
+receiver based on the largest packet number received on a successfully
+authenticated packet.
</pre>
<p>Is there any reason for a receiver to reconstruct the echoed packet number? If I understand this PR correctly, this value is of no interest for the end points, but only for middleboxes.</p>

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> On 13 Mar 2017, at 15:25, Marten Seemann <notifications@github.com> wrote:
>=20
> @marten-seemann commented on this pull request.
>=20
> In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:
>=20
> >
>  ### Initial Packet Number
>=20
>  The initial value for packet number MUST be a 31-bit random number.  Tha=
t is,
>  the value is selected from an uniform random distribution between 0 and =
2^31-1.
>  {{?RFC4086}} provides guidance on the generation of random values.
>=20
> -The first set of packets sent by an endpoint MUST include the low 32-bit=
s of the
> -packet number.  Once any packet has been acknowledged, subsequent packet=
s can
> -use a shorter packet number encoding.
> +
> +### Packet Number Echo {#packet-number-echo}
> +
> +If present, the Packet Number Echo field contains the least significant =
32 bits
> +of the highest packet number seen in the opposite direction before this =
packet
> +was sent. This allows devices along the path to estimate round-trip time=
s and
> +observe indications of loss, for passive performance measurement of QUIC=
 flows
> +equivalent to present techniques using TCP sequence and acknowledgement =
numbers
> +and/or timestamps.
> +
> +The Packet Number Echo field SHOULD be present on 1-RTT packets containi=
ng at
> +least one ACK frame (see {{frame-ack}}). For efficiency's sake, it MAY be
>=20
> Is there any reason hat the Echo should be in packets containing ACK fram=
es? Since the Echo is only used by middleboxes, for whom the payload is opa=
que anyway, it shouldn't matter which packet the Echo is sent on.
> Even though it doesn't reveal a lot about the packet contents, I'd prefer=
 to not divulge any information about the frame types contained in a packet=
, unless there's a compelling reason to do so.

The intention here was to make it easy to determine when to place an echo o=
n any given packet. Since the echo enhances the information available in a =
TCP ACK, a QUIC ACK seemed the most analogous place to do this. You're righ=
t, though; there's no reason for anything on path to know that a given pack=
et contains ACK frames or not. So "at least once per RTT" is sufficient.


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gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; @marten-seemann commented on this pull request.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;  ### Initial Packet Number<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;  The initial value for packet number MUST be a 31-bit random number.  =
That is,<br>
&gt;  the value is selected from an uniform random distribution between 0 a=
nd 2^31-1.<br>
&gt;  {{?RFC4086}} provides guidance on the generation of random values.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; -The first set of packets sent by an endpoint MUST include the low 32-=
bits of the<br>
&gt; -packet number.  Once any packet has been acknowledged, subsequent pac=
kets can<br>
&gt; -use a shorter packet number encoding.<br>
&gt; +<br>
&gt; +### Packet Number Echo {#packet-number-echo}<br>
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&gt; +If present, the Packet Number Echo field contains the least significa=
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is packet<br>
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imes and<br>
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UIC flows<br>
&gt; +equivalent to present techniques using TCP sequence and acknowledgeme=
nt numbers<br>
&gt; +and/or timestamps.<br>
&gt; +<br>
&gt; +The Packet Number Echo field SHOULD be present on 1-RTT packets conta=
ining at<br>
&gt; +least one ACK frame (see {{frame-ack}}). For efficiency&#39;s sake, i=
t MAY be<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Is there any reason hat the Echo should be in packets containing ACK f=
rames? Since the Echo is only used by middleboxes, for whom the payload is =
opaque anyway, it shouldn&#39;t matter which packet the Echo is sent on.<br>
&gt; Even though it doesn&#39;t reveal a lot about the packet contents, I&#=
39;d prefer to not divulge any information about the frame types contained =
in a packet, unless there&#39;s a compelling reason to do so.<br>
<br>
The intention here was to make it easy to determine when to place an echo o=
n any given packet. Since the echo enhances the information available in a =
TCP ACK, a QUIC ACK seemed the most analogous place to do this. You&#39;re =
right, though; there&#39;s no reason for anything on path to know that a gi=
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> In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:
> 
> > @@ -676,42 +682,38 @@ CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with the error code QUIC_SEQUENCE_NUMBER_LIMIT_REACHED
>  (connection termination is described in {{termination}}.)
> 
>  To reduce the number of bits required to represent the packet number over the
> -wire, only the least significant bits of the packet number are transmitted over
> -the wire, up to 48 bits.  The actual packet number for each packet is
> -reconstructed at the receiver based on the largest packet number received on a
> -successfully authenticated packet.
> +wire, only the least significant 32 bits of the packet number are transmitted
> +over the wire. The actual packet number for each packet is reconstructed at the
> +receiver based on the largest packet number received on a successfully
> +authenticated packet.
> 
> Is there any reason for a receiver to reconstruct the echoed packet number? If I understand this PR correctly, this value is of no interest for the end points, but only for middleboxes.

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Yeah, well the term retransmittable is used, but it really comes down to whether a peer is expected to ack the packet.

In QUIC, there's never a contract anything needs to be retransmitted as is, to my knowledge.  In the case of WINDOW_UPDATE, it'd make a lot more sense to send an updated WINDOW_UPDATE if the first is lost than retransmit the same one again.  But I do think it's important to know if the WINDOW_UPDATE arrived, and for now, that means considering it retransmittable.

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> @@ -676,42 +682,38 @@ CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with the error code QUIC_SEQUENCE_NUMBER_LIMIT_REACHED
 (connection termination is described in {{termination}}.)
 
 To reduce the number of bits required to represent the packet number over the
-wire, only the least significant bits of the packet number are transmitted over
-the wire, up to 48 bits.  The actual packet number for each packet is
-reconstructed at the receiver based on the largest packet number received on a
-successfully authenticated packet.
+wire, only the least significant 32 bits of the packet number are transmitted
+over the wire. The actual packet number for each packet is reconstructed at the
+receiver based on the largest packet number received on a successfully
+authenticated packet.

My bad. As Brian pointed out, this change refers to the actual packet number. I assumed it referred to the Echo, since there were changes in this PR (which probably need a separate issue then, don't they?). 

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/393#discussion_r105674920">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -676,42 +682,38 @@ CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with the error code QUIC_SEQUENCE_NUMBER_LIMIT_REACHED
 (connection termination is described in {{termination}}.)
 
 To reduce the number of bits required to represent the packet number over the
-wire, only the least significant bits of the packet number are transmitted over
-the wire, up to 48 bits.  The actual packet number for each packet is
-reconstructed at the receiver based on the largest packet number received on a
-successfully authenticated packet.
+wire, only the least significant 32 bits of the packet number are transmitted
+over the wire. The actual packet number for each packet is reconstructed at the
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<p>My bad. As Brian pointed out, this change refers to the actual packet number. I assumed it referred to the Echo, since there were changes in this PR (which probably need a separate issue then, don't they?).</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-timeloss
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janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

Thanks Ian, a few comments

>  
-use_time_loss:
-: When true, loss detection operates solely based on reordering
-  threshold in time, rather than in packet number gaps.
+loss_time:
+: The time at which the next packet will be considered lost based on early
+transmit or exceeding the reordering window in time.

early transmit --> early retransmit

>  
 sent_packets:
-: An association of packet numbers to information about them, including a time
-  field indicating the time a packet was sent and a bytes field indicating the
-  packet's size.
+: An association of packet numbers to information about them, including a number
+  field indicating the packet number, a time field indicating the time a packet
+  was sent and a bytes field indicating the packet's size.  sent_packets is

oxford comma nit: "... was sent, and a bytes field ..."

>  
 sent_packets:
-: An association of packet numbers to information about them, including a time
-  field indicating the time a packet was sent and a bytes field indicating the
-  packet's size.
+: An association of packet numbers to information about them, including a number
+  field indicating the packet number, a time field indicating the time a packet
+  was sent and a bytes field indicating the packet's size.  sent_packets is
+  ordered by packet number, and packets remain in sent_packets until
+  acknowledged or lost.

nit: "until they are acknowledged or lost"

> @@ -258,8 +258,13 @@ follows:
    handshake_count = 0
    tlp_count = 0
    rto_count = 0
-   reordering_threshold = kReorderingThreshold
-   use_time_loss = false
+   if (UsingTimeLossDetection())
+     reordering_threshold = infinite
+     time_reordering_fraction = kTimeReorderingFraction
+   else:
+     reordering_threshold = kReorderingThreshold
+     time_reordering_fraction = infinite
+   lost_time = 0

loss_time = 0

> @@ -406,10 +410,9 @@ Pseudocode for SetLossDetectionAlarm follows:
         alarm_duration = 2 * smoothed_rtt
       alarm_duration = max(alarm_duration, kMinTLPTimeout)
       alarm_duration = alarm_duration << handshake_count
-    else if (largest sent packet is acked):
-      // Early retransmit
-      // with an alarm to reduce spurious retransmits.

I think this comment can fit in a line

> @@ -442,9 +445,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnLossDetectionAlarm follows:
        RetransmitAllHandshakePackets();
        handshake_count++;
      // TODO: Clarify early retransmit and time loss.
-     else if ():
+     else if (lost_time != 0):

loss_time

> @@ -463,9 +466,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnLossDetectionAlarm follows:
 ## Detecting Lost Packets
 
 Packets in QUIC are only considered lost once a larger packet number is
-acknowledged.  DetectLostPackets is called every time there is a new largest
-packet or if the loss detection alarm fires the previous largest acked packet is
-supplied.
+acknowledged.  DetectLostPackets is called every time an ack is received.
+If the loss detection alarm fires and the lost_time is set, the previous

Make loss_time or lost_time consistent. Either works. How about "reordering_threshold_in_time" and "reordering_threshold_in_packets" (or remove the "in" if you want more succinct) instead of loss_time and reordering_threshold ?

> @@ -463,9 +466,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnLossDetectionAlarm follows:
 ## Detecting Lost Packets
 
 Packets in QUIC are only considered lost once a larger packet number is
-acknowledged.  DetectLostPackets is called every time there is a new largest
-packet or if the loss detection alarm fires the previous largest acked packet is
-supplied.
+acknowledged.  DetectLostPackets is called every time an ack is received.
+If the loss detection alarm fires and the lost_time is set, the previous
+largest acked packet is supplied.

This paragraph is a little discontinuous. Let's submit it and we can fix it up later

> @@ -481,19 +484,31 @@ DetectLostPackets takes one parameter, acked, which is the largest acked packet.
 Pseudocode for DetectLostPackets follows:
 
 ~~~
-   DetectLostPackets(acked):
+   DetectLostPackets(largest_acked):

nit: "largest_acked" --> "largest_acked_number" ?

>       lost_packets = {}
-     foreach (unacked less than acked):
-       time_delta = acked.time_sent - unacked.time_sent
-       packet_delta = acked.packet_number - unacked.packet_number
-       if (time_delta > kTimeReorderThreshold * smoothed_rtt):
+     time_when_lost = 0;

This isn't the time but a wait period... suggestion: reordering_period ? or "short_timeout"? you could just call it short_timeout_period... up to you

>       lost_packets = {}
-     foreach (unacked less than acked):
-       time_delta = acked.time_sent - unacked.time_sent
-       packet_delta = acked.packet_number - unacked.packet_number
-       if (time_delta > kTimeReorderThreshold * smoothed_rtt):
+     time_when_lost = 0;
+     if (time_reordering_fraction == infinite):

This should be !=

>       lost_packets = {}
-     foreach (unacked less than acked):
-       time_delta = acked.time_sent - unacked.time_sent
-       packet_delta = acked.packet_number - unacked.packet_number
-       if (time_delta > kTimeReorderThreshold * smoothed_rtt):
+     time_when_lost = 0;
+     if (time_reordering_fraction == infinite):
+       time_when_lost =
+         (1 + time_reordering_fraction) * max(latest_rtt, smoothed_rtt)
+     else if (largest_acked.packet_number == largest_sent_packet):
+       // Early retransmit alarm.
+       time_when_lost = 9/8 * max(latest_rtt, smoothed_rtt)
+     foreach (unacked less than largest_acked.packet_number):
+       time_since_sent = now() - unacked.time_sent
+       packet_delta = largest_acked.packet_number - unacked.packet_number
+       if (time_since_sent > time_when_lost):

if time loss detection is disabled, won't time_when_lost be 0?

>           lost_packets.insert(unacked)
        else if (packet_delta > reordering_threshold)
          lost_packets.insert(unacked)
+       else if (loss_time == 0 && time_when_lost != 0):
+         loss_time = time_when_lost - time_since_sent

add a comment here saying something like "loss_time is used for setting the loss detection alarm later."

>       OnPacketsLost(lost_packets)
-     MaybeRetransmit(lost_packets)
+     foreach (packet in lost_packets)
+       sent_packets.remove(packet.packet_number)

does it make sense, for editorializing, to move these packets to a "lost_packets" structure? doesn't need to be done here, but thinking aloud

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<p><b>@janaiyengar</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<p>Thanks Ian, a few comments</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/394#discussion_r105718727">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-use_time_loss:
-: When true, loss detection operates solely based on reordering
-  threshold in time, rather than in packet number gaps.
+loss_time:
+: The time at which the next packet will be considered lost based on early
+transmit or exceeding the reordering window in time.
</pre>
<p>early transmit --&gt; early retransmit</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/394#discussion_r105718953">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
 sent_packets:
-: An association of packet numbers to information about them, including a time
-  field indicating the time a packet was sent and a bytes field indicating the
-  packet&#39;s size.
+: An association of packet numbers to information about them, including a number
+  field indicating the packet number, a time field indicating the time a packet
+  was sent and a bytes field indicating the packet&#39;s size.  sent_packets is
</pre>
<p>oxford comma nit: "... was sent, and a bytes field ..."</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/394#discussion_r105719100">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
 sent_packets:
-: An association of packet numbers to information about them, including a time
-  field indicating the time a packet was sent and a bytes field indicating the
-  packet&#39;s size.
+: An association of packet numbers to information about them, including a number
+  field indicating the packet number, a time field indicating the time a packet
+  was sent and a bytes field indicating the packet&#39;s size.  sent_packets is
+  ordered by packet number, and packets remain in sent_packets until
+  acknowledged or lost.
</pre>
<p>nit: "until they are acknowledged or lost"</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/394#discussion_r105719910">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -258,8 +258,13 @@ follows:
    handshake_count = 0
    tlp_count = 0
    rto_count = 0
-   reordering_threshold = kReorderingThreshold
-   use_time_loss = false
+   if (UsingTimeLossDetection())
+     reordering_threshold = infinite
+     time_reordering_fraction = kTimeReorderingFraction
+   else:
+     reordering_threshold = kReorderingThreshold
+     time_reordering_fraction = infinite
+   lost_time = 0
</pre>
<p>loss_time = 0</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/394#discussion_r105720155">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -406,10 +410,9 @@ Pseudocode for SetLossDetectionAlarm follows:
         alarm_duration = 2 * smoothed_rtt
       alarm_duration = max(alarm_duration, kMinTLPTimeout)
       alarm_duration = alarm_duration &lt;&lt; handshake_count
-    else if (largest sent packet is acked):
-      // Early retransmit
-      // with an alarm to reduce spurious retransmits.
</pre>
<p>I think this comment can fit in a line</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/394#discussion_r105720661">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -442,9 +445,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnLossDetectionAlarm follows:
        RetransmitAllHandshakePackets();
        handshake_count++;
      // TODO: Clarify early retransmit and time loss.
-     else if ():
+     else if (lost_time != 0):
</pre>
<p>loss_time</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/394#discussion_r105721894">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -463,9 +466,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnLossDetectionAlarm follows:
 ## Detecting Lost Packets
 
 Packets in QUIC are only considered lost once a larger packet number is
-acknowledged.  DetectLostPackets is called every time there is a new largest
-packet or if the loss detection alarm fires the previous largest acked packet is
-supplied.
+acknowledged.  DetectLostPackets is called every time an ack is received.
+If the loss detection alarm fires and the lost_time is set, the previous
</pre>
<p>Make loss_time or lost_time consistent. Either works. How about "reordering_threshold_in_time" and "reordering_threshold_in_packets" (or remove the "in" if you want more succinct) instead of loss_time and reordering_threshold ?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/394#discussion_r105722266">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -463,9 +466,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnLossDetectionAlarm follows:
 ## Detecting Lost Packets
 
 Packets in QUIC are only considered lost once a larger packet number is
-acknowledged.  DetectLostPackets is called every time there is a new largest
-packet or if the loss detection alarm fires the previous largest acked packet is
-supplied.
+acknowledged.  DetectLostPackets is called every time an ack is received.
+If the loss detection alarm fires and the lost_time is set, the previous
+largest acked packet is supplied.
</pre>
<p>This paragraph is a little discontinuous. Let's submit it and we can fix it up later</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/394#discussion_r105722659">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -481,19 +484,31 @@ DetectLostPackets takes one parameter, acked, which is the largest acked packet.
 Pseudocode for DetectLostPackets follows:
 
 ~~~
-   DetectLostPackets(acked):
+   DetectLostPackets(largest_acked):
</pre>
<p>nit: "largest_acked" --&gt; "largest_acked_number" ?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/394#discussion_r105723826">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;       lost_packets = {}
-     foreach (unacked less than acked):
-       time_delta = acked.time_sent - unacked.time_sent
-       packet_delta = acked.packet_number - unacked.packet_number
-       if (time_delta &gt; kTimeReorderThreshold * smoothed_rtt):
+     time_when_lost = 0;
</pre>
<p>This isn't the time but a wait period... suggestion: reordering_period ? or "short_timeout"? you could just call it short_timeout_period... up to you</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/394#discussion_r105725884">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;       lost_packets = {}
-     foreach (unacked less than acked):
-       time_delta = acked.time_sent - unacked.time_sent
-       packet_delta = acked.packet_number - unacked.packet_number
-       if (time_delta &gt; kTimeReorderThreshold * smoothed_rtt):
+     time_when_lost = 0;
+     if (time_reordering_fraction == infinite):
</pre>
<p>This should be !=</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/394#discussion_r105726053">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;       lost_packets = {}
-     foreach (unacked less than acked):
-       time_delta = acked.time_sent - unacked.time_sent
-       packet_delta = acked.packet_number - unacked.packet_number
-       if (time_delta &gt; kTimeReorderThreshold * smoothed_rtt):
+     time_when_lost = 0;
+     if (time_reordering_fraction == infinite):
+       time_when_lost =
+         (1 + time_reordering_fraction) * max(latest_rtt, smoothed_rtt)
+     else if (largest_acked.packet_number == largest_sent_packet):
+       // Early retransmit alarm.
+       time_when_lost = 9/8 * max(latest_rtt, smoothed_rtt)
+     foreach (unacked less than largest_acked.packet_number):
+       time_since_sent = now() - unacked.time_sent
+       packet_delta = largest_acked.packet_number - unacked.packet_number
+       if (time_since_sent &gt; time_when_lost):
</pre>
<p>if time loss detection is disabled, won't time_when_lost be 0?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/394#discussion_r105726723">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;           lost_packets.insert(unacked)
        else if (packet_delta &gt; reordering_threshold)
          lost_packets.insert(unacked)
+       else if (loss_time == 0 &amp;&amp; time_when_lost != 0):
+         loss_time = time_when_lost - time_since_sent
</pre>
<p>add a comment here saying something like "loss_time is used for setting the loss detection alarm later."</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/394#discussion_r105727115">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;       OnPacketsLost(lost_packets)
-     MaybeRetransmit(lost_packets)
+     foreach (packet in lost_packets)
+       sent_packets.remove(packet.packet_number)
</pre>
<p>does it make sense, for editorializing, to move these packets to a "lost_packets" structure? doesn't need to be done here, but thinking aloud</p>

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55d791c  Fix inconsistencies and nits


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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-timeloss
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 55d791c481b3ee6d2c880d70e9f28ada5655db03
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/55d791c481b3ee6d2c880d70e9f28ada5655db03
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  Date:   2017-03-13 (Mon, 13 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

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ianswett commented on this pull request.

Thanks Jana, updated.

>  
 sent_packets:
-: An association of packet numbers to information about them, including a time
-  field indicating the time a packet was sent and a bytes field indicating the
-  packet's size.
+: An association of packet numbers to information about them, including a number
+  field indicating the packet number, a time field indicating the time a packet
+  was sent and a bytes field indicating the packet's size.  sent_packets is

Done.

>  
 sent_packets:
-: An association of packet numbers to information about them, including a time
-  field indicating the time a packet was sent and a bytes field indicating the
-  packet's size.
+: An association of packet numbers to information about them, including a number
+  field indicating the packet number, a time field indicating the time a packet
+  was sent and a bytes field indicating the packet's size.  sent_packets is
+  ordered by packet number, and packets remain in sent_packets until
+  acknowledged or lost.

I left it as is, because it's shorter.

> @@ -406,10 +410,9 @@ Pseudocode for SetLossDetectionAlarm follows:
         alarm_duration = 2 * smoothed_rtt
       alarm_duration = max(alarm_duration, kMinTLPTimeout)
       alarm_duration = alarm_duration << handshake_count
-    else if (largest sent packet is acked):
-      // Early retransmit
-      // with an alarm to reduce spurious retransmits.

It was removed.

> @@ -258,8 +258,13 @@ follows:
    handshake_count = 0
    tlp_count = 0
    rto_count = 0
-   reordering_threshold = kReorderingThreshold
-   use_time_loss = false
+   if (UsingTimeLossDetection())
+     reordering_threshold = infinite
+     time_reordering_fraction = kTimeReorderingFraction
+   else:
+     reordering_threshold = kReorderingThreshold
+     time_reordering_fraction = infinite
+   lost_time = 0

SGTM, I went with loss_time everywhere.

> @@ -442,9 +445,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnLossDetectionAlarm follows:
        RetransmitAllHandshakePackets();
        handshake_count++;
      // TODO: Clarify early retransmit and time loss.
-     else if ():
+     else if (lost_time != 0):

Done

> @@ -463,9 +466,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnLossDetectionAlarm follows:
 ## Detecting Lost Packets
 
 Packets in QUIC are only considered lost once a larger packet number is
-acknowledged.  DetectLostPackets is called every time there is a new largest
-packet or if the loss detection alarm fires the previous largest acked packet is
-supplied.
+acknowledged.  DetectLostPackets is called every time an ack is received.
+If the loss detection alarm fires and the lost_time is set, the previous
+largest acked packet is supplied.

SGTM.

> @@ -463,9 +466,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnLossDetectionAlarm follows:
 ## Detecting Lost Packets
 
 Packets in QUIC are only considered lost once a larger packet number is
-acknowledged.  DetectLostPackets is called every time there is a new largest
-packet or if the loss detection alarm fires the previous largest acked packet is
-supplied.
+acknowledged.  DetectLostPackets is called every time an ack is received.
+If the loss detection alarm fires and the lost_time is set, the previous

loss_time is somewhat orthogonal to reordering theshold.  Do you mean reordering_threshold and time_reordering_fraction, which are more analagous?

> @@ -481,19 +484,31 @@ DetectLostPackets takes one parameter, acked, which is the largest acked packet.
 Pseudocode for DetectLostPackets follows:
 
 ~~~
-   DetectLostPackets(acked):
+   DetectLostPackets(largest_acked):

It's a packet, not a number, because I use fields of the packet below, such as the time it was sent.

>       lost_packets = {}
-     foreach (unacked less than acked):
-       time_delta = acked.time_sent - unacked.time_sent
-       packet_delta = acked.packet_number - unacked.packet_number
-       if (time_delta > kTimeReorderThreshold * smoothed_rtt):
+     time_when_lost = 0;
+     if (time_reordering_fraction == infinite):

Thanks.

>       lost_packets = {}
-     foreach (unacked less than acked):
-       time_delta = acked.time_sent - unacked.time_sent
-       packet_delta = acked.packet_number - unacked.packet_number
-       if (time_delta > kTimeReorderThreshold * smoothed_rtt):
+     time_when_lost = 0;

How about delay_until_lost?

>       lost_packets = {}
-     foreach (unacked less than acked):
-       time_delta = acked.time_sent - unacked.time_sent
-       packet_delta = acked.packet_number - unacked.packet_number
-       if (time_delta > kTimeReorderThreshold * smoothed_rtt):
+     time_when_lost = 0;
+     if (time_reordering_fraction == infinite):
+       time_when_lost =
+         (1 + time_reordering_fraction) * max(latest_rtt, smoothed_rtt)
+     else if (largest_acked.packet_number == largest_sent_packet):
+       // Early retransmit alarm.
+       time_when_lost = 9/8 * max(latest_rtt, smoothed_rtt)
+     foreach (unacked less than largest_acked.packet_number):
+       time_since_sent = now() - unacked.time_sent
+       packet_delta = largest_acked.packet_number - unacked.packet_number
+       if (time_since_sent > time_when_lost):

Good point, I set it to infinite.

>       OnPacketsLost(lost_packets)
-     MaybeRetransmit(lost_packets)
+     foreach (packet in lost_packets)
+       sent_packets.remove(packet.packet_number)

Possibly, though I still need a way to inform the congestion control of newly lost packets.  I was thinking of creating a pending_retransmissions data structure in congestion control to store any lost packets that couldn't be sent immediately?

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<p>Thanks Jana, updated.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/394#discussion_r105737141">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
 sent_packets:
-: An association of packet numbers to information about them, including a time
-  field indicating the time a packet was sent and a bytes field indicating the
-  packet&#39;s size.
+: An association of packet numbers to information about them, including a number
+  field indicating the packet number, a time field indicating the time a packet
+  was sent and a bytes field indicating the packet&#39;s size.  sent_packets is
</pre>
<p>Done.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/394#discussion_r105737205">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
 sent_packets:
-: An association of packet numbers to information about them, including a time
-  field indicating the time a packet was sent and a bytes field indicating the
-  packet&#39;s size.
+: An association of packet numbers to information about them, including a number
+  field indicating the packet number, a time field indicating the time a packet
+  was sent and a bytes field indicating the packet&#39;s size.  sent_packets is
+  ordered by packet number, and packets remain in sent_packets until
+  acknowledged or lost.
</pre>
<p>I left it as is, because it's shorter.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/394#discussion_r105737598">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -406,10 +410,9 @@ Pseudocode for SetLossDetectionAlarm follows:
         alarm_duration = 2 * smoothed_rtt
       alarm_duration = max(alarm_duration, kMinTLPTimeout)
       alarm_duration = alarm_duration &lt;&lt; handshake_count
-    else if (largest sent packet is acked):
-      // Early retransmit
-      // with an alarm to reduce spurious retransmits.
</pre>
<p>It was removed.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/394#discussion_r105737734">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -258,8 +258,13 @@ follows:
    handshake_count = 0
    tlp_count = 0
    rto_count = 0
-   reordering_threshold = kReorderingThreshold
-   use_time_loss = false
+   if (UsingTimeLossDetection())
+     reordering_threshold = infinite
+     time_reordering_fraction = kTimeReorderingFraction
+   else:
+     reordering_threshold = kReorderingThreshold
+     time_reordering_fraction = infinite
+   lost_time = 0
</pre>
<p>SGTM, I went with loss_time everywhere.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/394#discussion_r105738349">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -442,9 +445,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnLossDetectionAlarm follows:
        RetransmitAllHandshakePackets();
        handshake_count++;
      // TODO: Clarify early retransmit and time loss.
-     else if ():
+     else if (lost_time != 0):
</pre>
<p>Done</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/394#discussion_r105738620">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -463,9 +466,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnLossDetectionAlarm follows:
 ## Detecting Lost Packets
 
 Packets in QUIC are only considered lost once a larger packet number is
-acknowledged.  DetectLostPackets is called every time there is a new largest
-packet or if the loss detection alarm fires the previous largest acked packet is
-supplied.
+acknowledged.  DetectLostPackets is called every time an ack is received.
+If the loss detection alarm fires and the lost_time is set, the previous
+largest acked packet is supplied.
</pre>
<p>SGTM.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/394#discussion_r105738914">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -463,9 +466,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnLossDetectionAlarm follows:
 ## Detecting Lost Packets
 
 Packets in QUIC are only considered lost once a larger packet number is
-acknowledged.  DetectLostPackets is called every time there is a new largest
-packet or if the loss detection alarm fires the previous largest acked packet is
-supplied.
+acknowledged.  DetectLostPackets is called every time an ack is received.
+If the loss detection alarm fires and the lost_time is set, the previous
</pre>
<p>loss_time is somewhat orthogonal to reordering theshold.  Do you mean reordering_threshold and time_reordering_fraction, which are more analagous?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/394#discussion_r105739105">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -481,19 +484,31 @@ DetectLostPackets takes one parameter, acked, which is the largest acked packet.
 Pseudocode for DetectLostPackets follows:
 
 ~~~
-   DetectLostPackets(acked):
+   DetectLostPackets(largest_acked):
</pre>
<p>It's a packet, not a number, because I use fields of the packet below, such as the time it was sent.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/394#discussion_r105739368">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;       lost_packets = {}
-     foreach (unacked less than acked):
-       time_delta = acked.time_sent - unacked.time_sent
-       packet_delta = acked.packet_number - unacked.packet_number
-       if (time_delta &gt; kTimeReorderThreshold * smoothed_rtt):
+     time_when_lost = 0;
+     if (time_reordering_fraction == infinite):
</pre>
<p>Thanks.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/394#discussion_r105739872">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;       lost_packets = {}
-     foreach (unacked less than acked):
-       time_delta = acked.time_sent - unacked.time_sent
-       packet_delta = acked.packet_number - unacked.packet_number
-       if (time_delta &gt; kTimeReorderThreshold * smoothed_rtt):
+     time_when_lost = 0;
</pre>
<p>How about delay_until_lost?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/394#discussion_r105740729">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;       lost_packets = {}
-     foreach (unacked less than acked):
-       time_delta = acked.time_sent - unacked.time_sent
-       packet_delta = acked.packet_number - unacked.packet_number
-       if (time_delta &gt; kTimeReorderThreshold * smoothed_rtt):
+     time_when_lost = 0;
+     if (time_reordering_fraction == infinite):
+       time_when_lost =
+         (1 + time_reordering_fraction) * max(latest_rtt, smoothed_rtt)
+     else if (largest_acked.packet_number == largest_sent_packet):
+       // Early retransmit alarm.
+       time_when_lost = 9/8 * max(latest_rtt, smoothed_rtt)
+     foreach (unacked less than largest_acked.packet_number):
+       time_since_sent = now() - unacked.time_sent
+       packet_delta = largest_acked.packet_number - unacked.packet_number
+       if (time_since_sent &gt; time_when_lost):
</pre>
<p>Good point, I set it to infinite.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/394#discussion_r105741307">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;       OnPacketsLost(lost_packets)
-     MaybeRetransmit(lost_packets)
+     foreach (packet in lost_packets)
+       sent_packets.remove(packet.packet_number)
</pre>
<p>Possibly, though I still need a way to inform the congestion control of newly lost packets.  I was thinking of creating a pending_retransmissions data structure in congestion control to store any lost packets that couldn't be sent immediately?</p>

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The issue is also how to handle retransmission. Can the core engine skip retransmission of old video frames - they might be large but useless? This requires framing within streams and a timeout criteria. The same applies to game servers. 

It is possible to multiplex over, say 16 streams, to get out of order tolerance, but it is not very user friendly and it does not deal with vasted retransmissions.

A related issue is prioritisation. If a low priority stream is allowed to fill available bandwidth it might fill buffers for several seconds in the pipeline. This hurts low latency transmissions. The flow control algorithm would need to understand this, like https://github.com/bittorrent/libutp

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  Fix time loss detection and early retransmit


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  Merge pull request #394 from quicwg/ianswett-timeloss

Fix time loss detection and early retransmit


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Thanks for writing this up. We can worry about the details later, but this question of exposing largest acked needs discussion. A couple of comments in the meanwhile:
(i) I'd much prefer the variable-length version to the fixed-length one, FWIW.
(ii) if we decide to go this route, I would push towards requiring this packet header when the ACK frame is present and removing the largest acked out of the ACK frame entirely.

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janaiyengar commented on this pull request.



> -packet number.  Once any packet has been acknowledged, subsequent packets can
-use a shorter packet number encoding.
+
+### Packet Number Echo {#packet-number-echo}
+
+If present, the Packet Number Echo field contains the least significant 32 bits
+of the highest packet number seen in the opposite direction before this packet
+was sent. This allows devices along the path to estimate round-trip times and
+observe indications of loss, for passive performance measurement of QUIC flows
+equivalent to present techniques using TCP sequence and acknowledgement numbers
+and/or timestamps.
+
+The Packet Number Echo field SHOULD be present on 1-RTT packets containing at
+least one ACK frame (see {{frame-ack}}). For efficiency's sake, it MAY be
+omitted if a 1-RTT packet containing an ACK frame has already been sent during a
+time interval equal to the sender's current estimate of the RTT.

or alternatively, you could remove the largest_acked out of the ACK frame and require this on all packets that carry an ACK frame.

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<p><b>@janaiyengar</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/393#discussion_r105752434">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -packet number.  Once any packet has been acknowledged, subsequent packets can
-use a shorter packet number encoding.
+
+### Packet Number Echo {#packet-number-echo}
+
+If present, the Packet Number Echo field contains the least significant 32 bits
+of the highest packet number seen in the opposite direction before this packet
+was sent. This allows devices along the path to estimate round-trip times and
+observe indications of loss, for passive performance measurement of QUIC flows
+equivalent to present techniques using TCP sequence and acknowledgement numbers
+and/or timestamps.
+
+The Packet Number Echo field SHOULD be present on 1-RTT packets containing at
+least one ACK frame (see {{frame-ack}}). For efficiency&#39;s sake, it MAY be
+omitted if a 1-RTT packet containing an ACK frame has already been sent during a
+time interval equal to the sender&#39;s current estimate of the RTT.
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<p>or alternatively, you could remove the largest_acked out of the ACK frame and require this on all packets that carry an ACK frame.</p>

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I don't think sending a WINDOW_UPDATE is a problem. If you have a choice between WINDOW_UPDATE and PING, sure, send WINDOW_UPDATE. 

OTOH, there's no reason to send anything if you've just sent either a PING or another "retransmittable" frame, where retransmittable means that the sender is expecting to receive an ACK. It's silly to send a frame to evoke an ACK if you've just sent one that will do exactly that, so a sender could optimize here, as long as this the text here doesn't limit ACK solicitation to a WINDOW_UPDATE.

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<p>I don't think sending a WINDOW_UPDATE is a problem. If you have a choi=
ce between WINDOW_UPDATE and PING, sure, send WINDOW_UPDATE.</p>
<p>OTOH, there's no reason to send anything if you've just sent either a =
PING or another "retransmittable" frame, where retransmittable means that=
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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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janaiyengar commented on this pull request.



> @@ -202,8 +202,8 @@ kDefaultInitialRtt (default 100ms):
 
 ## Variables of interest
 
-We first describe the variables required to implement the loss detection
-mechanisms described in this section.
+Variables required to implement the congestion control mechanisms
+described in this section.

"are described in this section"

>  ~~~
 
 # Congestion Control
 
-(describe NewReno-style congestion control {{?RFC6582}} for QUIC.)
-(describe appropriate byte counting.)
-(define recovery based on packet numbers.)
+QUIC's congestion control is based on TCP New Reno{{?RFC6582}}

NewReno -- 1 word

>  ~~~
 
 # Congestion Control
 
-(describe NewReno-style congestion control {{?RFC6582}} for QUIC.)
-(describe appropriate byte counting.)
-(define recovery based on packet numbers.)
+QUIC's congestion control is based on TCP New Reno{{?RFC6582}}
+congestion control to determine the congestion window and pacing rate.
+
+## Slow Start
+
+QUIC uses a slow start approach where the congestion window is increased
+by the same number of bytes as are acknowledged while in slow start.
+QUIC begins every connection in slow start and exits slow start upon
+loss or when the min_rtt increases by more than 1/8th for a full round.

remove the 1/8th RTT -- that's mixing hystart into this doc

> +QUIC's congestion control is based on TCP New Reno{{?RFC6582}}
+congestion control to determine the congestion window and pacing rate.
+
+## Slow Start
+
+QUIC uses a slow start approach where the congestion window is increased
+by the same number of bytes as are acknowledged while in slow start.
+QUIC begins every connection in slow start and exits slow start upon
+loss or when the min_rtt increases by more than 1/8th for a full round.
+
+## Recovery
+
+Recovery is a period of time beginning with detection of a lost packet.
+It ends when all packets outstanding at the time recovery began have been
+acknowledged or lost. During recovery, the congestion window is not
+increased and the pacing gain is reduced to 1.

I'd remove mention of "pacing gain"

> +     else:
+       congestion_window +=
+           1500 * acked_packets.bytes / congestion_window
+~~~
+
+## On Packets Lost
+
+Invoked by loss detection from DetectLostPackets when new packets
+are detected lost.
+
+~~~
+   OnPacketsLost(lost_packets):
+     largest_lost_packet = lost_packets.last()
+     if (end_of_recovery < largest_lost_packet.packet_number):
+       end_of_recovery = largest_sent_packet
+       congestion_window *= kLossReductionFactor

ssthresh = congestion_window

> +~~~
+
+## On Packets Lost
+
+Invoked by loss detection from DetectLostPackets when new packets
+are detected lost.
+
+~~~
+   OnPacketsLost(lost_packets):
+     largest_lost_packet = lost_packets.last()
+     if (end_of_recovery < largest_lost_packet.packet_number):
+       end_of_recovery = largest_sent_packet
+       congestion_window *= kLossReductionFactor
+~~~
+
+## Sending Packets

I would rename this section  "Pacing Packets" or something like it

> +
+QUIC sends a packet if there is available congestion window and
+sending the packet does not exceed the pacing rate.
+
+TimeToSend returns infinite if the congestion controller is congestion
+window limited, a time in the past if the packet can be sent
+immediately, and a time in the future if sending is pacing limited.
+
+~~~
+   TimeToSend(packet_size):
+     if (bytes_in_flight + packet_size > congestion_window)
+       return infinite
+     return time_of_last_sent_packet + 
+         packet_size * smoothed_rtt / congestion_window
+~~~
+
 (describe min_rtt based hystart.)

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<p><b>@janaiyengar</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/395#discussion_r105772087">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -202,8 +202,8 @@ kDefaultInitialRtt (default 100ms):
 
 ## Variables of interest
 
-We first describe the variables required to implement the loss detection
-mechanisms described in this section.
+Variables required to implement the congestion control mechanisms
+described in this section.
</pre>
<p>"are described in this section"</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/395#discussion_r105772443">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  ~~~
 
 # Congestion Control
 
-(describe NewReno-style congestion control {{?RFC6582}} for QUIC.)
-(describe appropriate byte counting.)
-(define recovery based on packet numbers.)
+QUIC&#39;s congestion control is based on TCP New Reno{{?RFC6582}}
</pre>
<p>NewReno -- 1 word</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/395#discussion_r105772560">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  ~~~
 
 # Congestion Control
 
-(describe NewReno-style congestion control {{?RFC6582}} for QUIC.)
-(describe appropriate byte counting.)
-(define recovery based on packet numbers.)
+QUIC&#39;s congestion control is based on TCP New Reno{{?RFC6582}}
+congestion control to determine the congestion window and pacing rate.
+
+## Slow Start
+
+QUIC uses a slow start approach where the congestion window is increased
+by the same number of bytes as are acknowledged while in slow start.
+QUIC begins every connection in slow start and exits slow start upon
+loss or when the min_rtt increases by more than 1/8th for a full round.
</pre>
<p>remove the 1/8th RTT -- that's mixing hystart into this doc</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/395#discussion_r105772653">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +QUIC&#39;s congestion control is based on TCP New Reno{{?RFC6582}}
+congestion control to determine the congestion window and pacing rate.
+
+## Slow Start
+
+QUIC uses a slow start approach where the congestion window is increased
+by the same number of bytes as are acknowledged while in slow start.
+QUIC begins every connection in slow start and exits slow start upon
+loss or when the min_rtt increases by more than 1/8th for a full round.
+
+## Recovery
+
+Recovery is a period of time beginning with detection of a lost packet.
+It ends when all packets outstanding at the time recovery began have been
+acknowledged or lost. During recovery, the congestion window is not
+increased and the pacing gain is reduced to 1.
</pre>
<p>I'd remove mention of "pacing gain"</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/395#discussion_r105773019">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +     else:
+       congestion_window +=
+           1500 * acked_packets.bytes / congestion_window
+~~~
+
+## On Packets Lost
+
+Invoked by loss detection from DetectLostPackets when new packets
+are detected lost.
+
+~~~
+   OnPacketsLost(lost_packets):
+     largest_lost_packet = lost_packets.last()
+     if (end_of_recovery &lt; largest_lost_packet.packet_number):
+       end_of_recovery = largest_sent_packet
+       congestion_window *= kLossReductionFactor
</pre>
<p>ssthresh = congestion_window</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/395#discussion_r105773469">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +~~~
+
+## On Packets Lost
+
+Invoked by loss detection from DetectLostPackets when new packets
+are detected lost.
+
+~~~
+   OnPacketsLost(lost_packets):
+     largest_lost_packet = lost_packets.last()
+     if (end_of_recovery &lt; largest_lost_packet.packet_number):
+       end_of_recovery = largest_sent_packet
+       congestion_window *= kLossReductionFactor
+~~~
+
+## Sending Packets
</pre>
<p>I would rename this section  "Pacing Packets" or something like it</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/395#discussion_r105773559">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +
+QUIC sends a packet if there is available congestion window and
+sending the packet does not exceed the pacing rate.
+
+TimeToSend returns infinite if the congestion controller is congestion
+window limited, a time in the past if the packet can be sent
+immediately, and a time in the future if sending is pacing limited.
+
+~~~
+   TimeToSend(packet_size):
+     if (bytes_in_flight + packet_size &gt; congestion_window)
+       return infinite
+     return time_of_last_sent_packet + 
+         packet_size * smoothed_rtt / congestion_window
+~~~
+
 (describe min_rtt based hystart.)
</pre>
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On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 11:13 PM, Martin Thomson
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> Ahh, yes, the point about retransmission is a good one. If the model is that 0-RTT packets are just "lost", then retransmissions will take care of everything. We should say that.

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> BTW, @RyanAtGoogle , I had to edit your response. Email responses have terrible quoting if you do this:
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Weird, I don't think that's how I replied, though I don't do plain
text email so perhaps I screwed up. Here's what I see:


*boggle* Oh, I guess I didn't realize this is a github issue and not
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  * Added changelog entries for recovery draft.

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (7)

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  * Adds an overview section for loss detection and restructures the section a bit.
  * added changelog note

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    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (97)

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  <li>Adds an overview section for loss detection and restructures the section a bit.</li>
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  Branch: refs/heads/recovery
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  Adds an overview section for loss detection and restructures the section a bit.


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  Merge pull request #397 from quicwg/recovery

Adds an overview section for loss detection and restructures a bit


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> +    any retransmittable packet is outstanding. When this alarm fires, all
+    unacknowledged packets are marked as lost.
+
+  * Instead of a packet threshold to tolerate reordering, a QUIC sender may use
+    a time thresold. This allows for senders to be tolerant of short periods of
+    significant reordering. In this mechanism, a QUIC sender marks a packet as
+    lost when a packet larger than it is acknowledged and a threshold amount of
+    time has passed since the packet was sent.
+
+  * Handshake packets are special in a number of ways, and a separate alarm
+    period is used for them.
+
+
+## Algorithm Details
+
+### Constants of interest

Try to maintain a consistent use of Title Case or Sentence case for headings.  Ideally we would be consistent with the [style guide](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7322#section-3.4), which recommends the former.  

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/397#discussion_r105805740">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +    any retransmittable packet is outstanding. When this alarm fires, all
+    unacknowledged packets are marked as lost.
+
+  * Instead of a packet threshold to tolerate reordering, a QUIC sender may use
+    a time thresold. This allows for senders to be tolerant of short periods of
+    significant reordering. In this mechanism, a QUIC sender marks a packet as
+    lost when a packet larger than it is acknowledged and a threshold amount of
+    time has passed since the packet was sent.
+
+  * Handshake packets are special in a number of ways, and a separate alarm
+    period is used for them.
+
+
+## Algorithm Details
+
+### Constants of interest
</pre>
<p>Try to maintain a consistent use of Title Case or Sentence case for headings.  Ideally we would be consistent with the <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7322#section-3.4">style guide</a>, which recommends the former.</p>

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>  # Loss Detection
 
-We now describe QUIC's loss detection as functions that should be called on
-packet transmission, when a packet is acked, and timer expiration events.
+## Overview {#overview}

You don't need a specific overview section here.  The overview can go in the top-level section.  My technical writing teacher say that it is bad form to include empty sections, even if they have child sections, so you can avoid two problems.  Also, I assume that you need an overview for congestion control as well, so you avoid creating two sections with the label "overview".

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/397#discussion_r105805441">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  # Loss Detection
 
-We now describe QUIC&#39;s loss detection as functions that should be called on
-packet transmission, when a packet is acked, and timer expiration events.
+## Overview {#overview}
</pre>
<p>You don't need a specific overview section here.  The overview can go in the top-level section.  My technical writing teacher say that it is bad form to include empty sections, even if they have child sections, so you can avoid two problems.  Also, I assume that you need an overview for congestion control as well, so you avoid creating two sections with the label "overview".</p>

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OK, so I am going ahead and closing this anyway.  I probably missed this in the change log, but that's not a big deal.

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<p>OK, so I am going ahead and closing this anyway.  I probably missed this in the change log, but that's not a big deal.</p>

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Do we really need the normative references to RFC 7230, 7540, QUIC-HTTP in the intro?  Since QUIC isn't supposed to be tied directly to HTTP/2 and frankly anybody reading this document would have gotten to QUIC-TLS through QUIC-TRANSPORT (i.e., they drank the koolaid) couldn't we drop the 1st para and work the QUIC-TRANSPORT reference in as follows:

    This document describes how QUIC [QUIC-TRANSPORT] can
    be secured using Transport Layer Security (TLS) version 1.3
    [I-D.ietf-tls-tls13]. TLS 1.3 provides critical latency ...

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<p>Do we really need the normative references to RFC 7230, 7540, QUIC-HTTP in the intro?  Since QUIC isn't supposed to be tied directly to HTTP/2 and frankly anybody reading this document would have gotten to QUIC-TLS through QUIC-TRANSPORT (i.e., they drank the koolaid) couldn't we drop the 1st para and work the QUIC-TRANSPORT reference in as follows:</p>
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be secured using Transport Layer Security (TLS) version 1.3
[I-D.ietf-tls-tls13]. TLS 1.3 provides critical latency ...
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  Branch: refs/heads/quic_tls-intro
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Addresses #398.
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<p>Addresses <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/398" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/398" data-id="213946611" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#398</a>.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/quic_tls-s3.2-tweak
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Date:   2017-03-13 (Mon, 13 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
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-- Commit Summary --

  * Minor edits for s3.2

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (6)

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<p>My OCD is showing...</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/quic_tls-exporter-ref
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Exporters has moved to s7.5.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/401

-- Commit Summary --

  * Changing para # reference for TLS exporters

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (4)

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<p>Exporters has moved to s7.5.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Changing para # reference for TLS exporters</li>
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 678d44db9cab72dea078e575a7034db92836f354
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/678d44db9cab72dea078e575a7034db92836f354
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  Date:   2017-03-13 (Mon, 13 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  Minor edits for s3.2


  Commit: 639de3397eac816df899498ca93df6facc254557
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/639de3397eac816df899498ca93df6facc254557
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  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #400 from quicwg/quic_tls-s3.2-tweak

Minor edits for s3.2


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/3dd6db1341ce...639de3397eac
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  Branch: refs/heads/quic_tls_my-address
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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Changing para # reference for TLS exporters


  Commit: 7b42511299073acdb34ede9a22058d65314ecaaa
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  Merge pull request #401 from quicwg/quic_tls-exporter-ref

Changing para # reference for TLS exporters


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Adding my email address


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+1 to Jana's point II. Given that in that case very ACK need to have the echo but not every packet that has an echo needs to be an ACK, I don't think we expose anything that shouldn't be exposed.

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<p>+1 to Jana's point II. Given that in that case very ACK need to have the echo but not every packet that has an echo needs to be an ACK, I don't think we expose anything that shouldn't be exposed.</p>

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This sounds like you want streams with partial reliability which is in the charter for later.

Regarding the low latency case: I guess you could open a second connection and use a lower-than-best-effort congestion control for that one. However, I think we should not do this within one connection. My understanding really is that a quic connection is one flow for the network and therefore all packets of a quic flow should operate under the same congestion control domain.

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<p>This sounds like you want streams with partial reliability which is in=
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ing really is that a quic connection is one flow for the network and ther=
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Interesting idea, but if we remove the Largest Acked from the ACK frame itself, then we lose the property that every frame is self-describing (which, if I remember correctly, was considered a desirable property in Tokyo). From an implementor's perspective, this would introduce a lot of coupling between code parts that are otherwise separate. In the end, all we save is 4 bytes per RTT, so I'm not sure if it's really worth it.

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Closed #398.

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<p>Closed <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/398" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/398" data-id="213946611" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#398</a>.</p>

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Fixed by PR #394 

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<p>Fixed by PR <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/394" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/394" data-id="213823766" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#394</a></p>

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to summarize (will also post on quic@)...

### 1: Echo (at least) once per RTT. Leave ACK frames unchanged.

(This is what's written up in this PR).

Rationale: What happens in the frame layer stays in the frame layer. Packet number echo is a pure packet-layer change to the transport protocol. Since this is additional overhead, we should work to minimize it, hence once per RTT, the minimum frequency that works for passive latency measurement.

Upsides: It's a tiny change to the protocol as presently described, for a low overhead cost per RTT (1-4 bytes, usually 2). The ACK frame remains self-describing, so the ack frame handling component in an implementation can remain separate from the packet handling component. Endpoints can choose to echo more frequently (e.g., when configured to do so for debugging purposes).

Downsides: an echoing endpoint with a passively-cooperative peer can intentionally skew passive measurements, since the value in the packet header is not necessarily joined to the value in the ack frame. The utility and practicality of such a thing is debatable. It's not clear how good the resulting number/echo stream will be for one-point loss and reordering estimation.

### Echo max-acked on every packet with an ACK frame, and remove it from the ack frame.

Rationale: This information already appears in the ACK layer, so there's no additional overhead.

Upsides: Echo frequency is higher; this should make loss and reordering estimation work better at a single observation point.  No additional overhead.

Downsides: Increased complexity of implementations, which have to pass packet number echo information up the stack. No endpoint control over how often packet numbers are echoed, since max-ack is required by the transport mechanisms.

Mixedsides (depending on your proclivities): The presence of an ACK frame is now exposed to the path. ACK-frame-containing packets can (and given the history of TCP, probably will) be treated differently by the network in certain circumstances.


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<p>to summarize (will also post on quic@)...</p>
<h3>1: Echo (at least) once per RTT. Leave ACK frames unchanged.</h3>
<p>(This is what's written up in this PR).</p>
<p>Rationale: What happens in the frame layer stays in the frame layer. P=
acket number echo is a pure packet-layer change to the transport protocol=
. Since this is additional overhead, we should work to minimize it, hence=
 once per RTT, the minimum frequency that works for passive latency measu=
rement.</p>
<p>Upsides: It's a tiny change to the protocol as presently described, fo=
r a low overhead cost per RTT (1-4 bytes, usually 2). The ACK frame remai=
ns self-describing, so the ack frame handling component in an implementat=
ion can remain separate from the packet handling component. Endpoints can=
 choose to echo more frequently (e.g., when configured to do so for debug=
ging purposes).</p>
<p>Downsides: an echoing endpoint with a passively-cooperative peer can i=
ntentionally skew passive measurements, since the value in the packet hea=
der is not necessarily joined to the value in the ack frame. The utility =
and practicality of such a thing is debatable. It's not clear how good th=
e resulting number/echo stream will be for one-point loss and reordering =
estimation.</p>
<h3>Echo max-acked on every packet with an ACK frame, and remove it from =
the ack frame.</h3>
<p>Rationale: This information already appears in the ACK layer, so there=
's no additional overhead.</p>
<p>Upsides: Echo frequency is higher; this should make loss and reorderin=
g estimation work better at a single observation point.  No additional ov=
erhead.</p>
<p>Downsides: Increased complexity of implementations, which have to pass=
 packet number echo information up the stack. No endpoint control over ho=
w often packet numbers are echoed, since max-ack is required by the trans=
port mechanisms.</p>
<p>Mixedsides (depending on your proclivities): The presence of an ACK fr=
ame is now exposed to the path. ACK-frame-containing packets can (and giv=
en the history of TCP, probably will) be treated differently by the netwo=
rk in certain circumstances.</p>

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One important point is that even if the 0RTT packets are 'lost' and need to be retransmitted, they should not be considered lost from a congestion control perspective.

If we could say rejected 0RTT packets don't count towards flow control, I think we would no longer have to exempt stream 1 from counting towards connection level flow control, which would be nice.

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<p>One important point is that even if the 0RTT packets are 'lost' and ne=
ed to be retransmitted, they should not be considered lost from a congest=
ion control perspective.</p>
<p>If we could say rejected 0RTT packets don't count towards flow control=
, I think we would no longer have to exempt stream 1 from counting toward=
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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>type the artwork</li>
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    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/403/files#diff-0">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>
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Seems to make no difference in the HTML and add indents to the code blocks in the txt version.  Not opposed, but not seeing any particular benefit, either.  Does kramdown do something special with the types?

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Note that prefixing with 4+ spaces makes it a code block in kramdown, but putting the ~~~/~~~ around it makes it take the spaces literally, which is why the indent shows up.

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<p>Note that prefixing with 4+ spaces makes it a code block in kramdown, but putting the <del>/</del> around it makes it take the spaces literally, which is why the indent shows up.</p>

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The types propagate to type attributes on artwork, which in turn are used by rfc2629.xslt to use different CSS styles.

I did not intend to change anything in the TXT output.

Note that adding "type='abnf'" will trigger a correct warning in rfc2629.xslt, as the draft currently does not cite RFC 5234.

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<p>The types propagate to type attributes on artwork, which in turn are use=
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<p>I did not intend to change anything in the TXT output.</p>
<p>Note that adding "type=3D'abnf'" will trigger a correct warning in rfc26=
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Ah, I see.  Okay, that's fine.  I'll probably remove the spaces, then -- they're not needed if we have the tildes.

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 21cc94b474b330209402f93ed28a5bd1c997e167
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/21cc94b474b330209402f93ed28a5bd1c997e167
  Author: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>
  Date:   2017-03-14 (Tue, 14 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

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  type the artwork (#403)



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@reschke points out that we can't use ABNF without citing RFC 5234.  Note to self to add reference in appropriate place.

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<p><a href="https://github.com/reschke" class="user-mention">@reschke</a> points out that we can't use ABNF without citing RFC 5234.  Note to self to add reference in appropriate place.</p>

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> One important point is that even if the 0RTT packets are 'lost' and nee=
d
> to be retransmitted, they should not be considered lost from a congesti=
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> control perspective.
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retransmitted, =E2=80=8Bbut not "marked lost".


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&gt; One important point is that even if the 0RTT packets are &#39;lost&#=
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=E2=80=8BTo clarify, you mean that the client should not react to rejecte=
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TLS has an extension on the NewSessionTicket that limits the amount of early data.  This limits the number of plaintext octets (not including padding) that can be send in early data.  This allows a server to constrain how much clients send in 0-RTT.

We could reuse and repurpose that extension for QUIC, but we would have to do so explicitly.  Currently, we do not.  Or, we could define a new transport parameter that explicitly limits the size of incoming 0-RTT data.

We could define this count in a number of ways:
1. Count the number of octets in each packet before packet protection is applied.
2. As 1, except after packet protection is applied.
3. Count everything except padding.
4. Count only STREAM payloads (i.e., use the same accounting as flow control).

I have a slight preference for option 4 for reasons what will become obvious in a parallel discussion (see #390).

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<p>TLS has an extension on the NewSessionTicket that limits the amount of early data.  This limits the number of plaintext octets (not including padding) that can be send in early data.  This allows a server to constrain how much clients send in 0-RTT.</p>
<p>We could reuse and repurpose that extension for QUIC, but we would have to do so explicitly.  Currently, we do not.  Or, we could define a new transport parameter that explicitly limits the size of incoming 0-RTT data.</p>
<p>We could define this count in a number of ways:</p>
<ol>
<li>Count the number of octets in each packet before packet protection is applied.</li>
<li>As 1, except after packet protection is applied.</li>
<li>Count everything except padding.</li>
<li>Count only STREAM payloads (i.e., use the same accounting as flow control).</li>
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<p>I have a slight preference for option 4 for reasons what will become obvious in a parallel discussion (see <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/390" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/390" data-id="213648441" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#390</a>).</p>

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> One important point is that even if the 0RTT packets are 'lost' and need to be retransmitted, they should not be considered lost from a congestion control perspective.

Yes, that is why I had separate points for this.  "lost" doesn't quite cut it.

> If we could say rejected 0RTT packets don't count towards flow control, I think we would no longer have to exempt stream 1 from counting towards connection level flow control, which would be nice.

Since they *can't* count, that's academic.  I'm more concerned about flow control when 0-RTT is accepted.  Connection flow control can still kick in.

There is an alternative design, which would require rolling back a change (it's one that I don't like so I am biased a little, but I really like this alternative).

We require clients to remember transport parameters.  In particular, we require that clients remember the connection-level flow control limit.  We define a new transport parameter that only applies to 0-RTT: maximum bytes.  The same limit exists in TLS, and I was going to propose that we include this anyway (I've opened #405 to do this, since I obviously neglected to do so).

If we choose to apply that limit to STREAM payloads (my preference), then we can say that this value MUST be at least X octets less than the initial connection flow control offset (Finished is usually the hash output, so I imagine that 128 octets would be plenty of slack).  Then, you always have space for at least a Finished message.  

Note: Client authentication doesn't interfere with this because it can't be used in conjunction with 0-RTT.

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<p>One important point is that even if the 0RTT packets are 'lost' and need=
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<p>Yes, that is why I had separate points for this.  "lost" doesn't quite c=
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<p>Since they <em>can't</em> count, that's academic.  I'm more concerned ab=
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<p>There is an alternative design, which would require rolling back a chang=
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is alternative).</p>
<p>We require clients to remember transport parameters.  In particular, we =
require that clients remember the connection-level flow control limit.  We =
define a new transport parameter that only applies to 0-RTT: maximum bytes.=
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<p>If we choose to apply that limit to STREAM payloads (my preference), the=
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That seems like a fine solution to me.

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<p>That seems like a fine solution to me.</p>

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I suspect that #361 does not in fact address this.  What will address this, if anything, is the addition of an integrity check, see #167.

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<p>I suspect that <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/361" data-id="212297288" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#361</a> does not in fact address this.  What will address this, if anything, is the addition of an integrity check, see <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/167" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/167" data-id="201301292" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#167</a>.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials
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  Changed paths:
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There are a large number of issues are around the packet header. The simplified/streamlined header proposed in PR 361 can address the following laundry list of issues:
#35: Starting packet number
#56: Extending flags
#119: Server-proposed connection ID
#133: Connection ID in version negotiation
#135: DoS using Version Negotiation Packets
#147: Reflection Attack Resistance
#185: Reliable identification of the initial packet for a connection
#193: Flags section is kind of confusing
#244: Need a NONCE in version negotiation packets
#293: Does the connection ID need to be in a consistent location
#295: Connection ID on a version negotiation packet
#148: QUIC packet header complexity
#170: Connection ID collisions

We may want to change the header further, but it would be good to have consensus on PR 361 as being a good way forward.

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<p>There are a large number of issues are around the packet header. The simplified/streamlined header proposed in PR 361 can address the following laundry list of issues:<br>
<a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/35" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/35" data-id="191925330" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#35</a>: Starting packet number<br>
<a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/56" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/56" data-id="192989770" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#56</a>: Extending flags<br>
<a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/119" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/119" data-id="198672930" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#119</a>: Server-proposed connection ID<br>
<a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/133" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/133" data-id="199728912" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#133</a>: Connection ID in version negotiation<br>
<a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/135" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/135" data-id="199731485" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#135</a>: DoS using Version Negotiation Packets<br>
<a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/147" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/147" data-id="200582869" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#147</a>: Reflection Attack Resistance<br>
<a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/185" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/185" data-id="202271417" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#185</a>: Reliable identification of the initial packet for a connection<br>
<a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/193" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/193" data-id="202444897" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#193</a>: Flags section is kind of confusing<br>
<a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/244" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/244" data-id="203516852" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#244</a>: Need a NONCE in version negotiation packets<br>
<a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/293" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/293" data-id="207064249" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#293</a>: Does the connection ID need to be in a consistent location<br>
<a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/295" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/295" data-id="207095703" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#295</a>: Connection ID on a version negotiation packet<br>
<a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/148" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/148" data-id="200583834" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#148</a>: QUIC packet header complexity<br>
<a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/170" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/170" data-id="201478058" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#170</a>: Connection ID collisions</p>
<p>We may want to change the header further, but it would be good to have consensus on PR 361 as being a good way forward.</p>

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agreed, #361 doesn't help much here but #167 would fix in a way with which qQUIC gives us implementation experience, so happy to leave this one closed.

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<p>agreed, <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/361" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/361" data-id="212297288" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#361</a> doesn't help much here but <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/167" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/167" data-id="201301292" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#167</a> would fix in a way with which qQUIC gives us implementation experience, so happy to leave this one closed.</p>

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thinking about it a bit more, I think the "do we want variable length packet numbers?" discussion is completely orthogonal to the "do we want packet number echo?" discussion, so let's talk about this in #391 for now...

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+1. STREAM payloads seems like the right choice.

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There is an alternative design, which would require rolling back a change
> (it's one that I don't like so I am biased a little, but I really like this
> alternative).
>
> We require clients to remember transport parameters. In particular, we
> require that clients remember the connection-level flow control limit.
>

So, I'm always a little worried with a mandate on clients like "MUST
remeber" unless it has some bound.  In this case, it seems like the bound
"is for as long as you want/could do 0-RTT", so there is some cover.  But I
confess that I wonder if  the transport parameter validity and the 0-RTT
credential lifetime really do match.

We define a new transport parameter that only applies to 0-RTT: maximum
> bytes. The same limit exists in TLS, and I was going to propose that we
> include this anyway (I've opened #405
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> If we choose to apply that limit to STREAM payloads (my preference), then
> we can say that this value MUST be at least X octets less than the initial
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> imagine that 128 octets would be plenty of slack). Then, you always have
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There is an alternative design, which would require rolling back a change=
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eally like this<br>
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&gt; We require clients to remember transport parameters. In particular, =
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So, I&#39;m always a little worried with a mandate on clients like &quot;=
MUST<br>
remeber&quot; unless it has some bound.  In this case, it seems like the =
bound<br>
&quot;is for as long as you want/could do 0-RTT&quot;, so there is some c=
over.  But I<br>
confess that I wonder if  the transport parameter validity and the 0-RTT<=
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credential lifetime really do match.<br>
<br>
We define a new transport parameter that only applies to 0-RTT: maximum<b=
r>
&gt; bytes. The same limit exists in TLS, and I was going to propose that=
 we<br>
&gt; include this anyway (I&#39;ve opened #405<br>
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&gt; obviously neglected to do so).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; If we choose to apply that limit to STREAM payloads (my preference),=
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&gt; we can say that this value MUST be at least X octets less than the i=
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I think this is a good step in the right direction.

@martinthomson Note that a lot of KEY_PHASE language in the TLS draft has to be revised.

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<p>I think this is a good step in the right direction.</p>
<p><a href="https://github.com/martinthomson" class="user-mention">@martinthomson</a> Note that a lot of KEY_PHASE language in the TLS draft has to be revised.</p>

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Option 1 is more conservative, and what I had first envisioned, but Option 2 is certainly enticing. I secretly suspect that both ingress and egress largest packet numbers will have to be stored in the PCB somewhere, so it might not be too painful to implement. (Although if incoming packets are reordered, so the largest acked field drops momentarily, that could get messy...)

Whether or not a packet has any user data is opaque enough to make any ack-dropping middlebox behavior so dangerous, that I doubt anyone would actually try it.

So I think I am leaning towards option 2. The strongest counterargument I can see is @ianswett 's off-github comment that under option 1, endpoints can simply eliminate the echo if middleboxes are doing bad things with it.

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Yes, this all binds to the 0-RTT credentials, so that places an upper bound on how long this is valid for.

I'm going to concede straight up that the lifetime of things like "how much memory I am going to commit" is 100% not the same as the credential lifetime.  But the client doesn't have anything else to go on.

Ultimately, when the new session is created with a 0-RTT offer, the server can always choose to reject 0-RTT if it can't live up to that promise.  That's all it has, and we can ever hope for.  Given the dynamics involved, this is going to be a per-connection decision.

Sure, that means that you have a bunch of pressures that eventually end up with a flat success/fail decision, and you might be sad about that, but I'm far more sad about the current design lacking any real control or determinism.  At least this way the server can tune in the values it provides so that it gets the best result (for whatever metrics the server cares about).

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<p>Yes, this all binds to the 0-RTT credentials, so that places an upper =
bound on how long this is valid for.</p>
<p>I'm going to concede straight up that the lifetime of things like "how=
 much memory I am going to commit" is 100% not the same as the credential=
 lifetime.  But the client doesn't have anything else to go on.</p>
<p>Ultimately, when the new session is created with a 0-RTT offer, the se=
rver can always choose to reject 0-RTT if it can't live up to that promis=
e.  That's all it has, and we can ever hope for.  Given the dynamics invo=
lved, this is going to be a per-connection decision.</p>
<p>Sure, that means that you have a bunch of pressures that eventually en=
d up with a flat success/fail decision, and you might be sad about that, =
but I'm far more sad about the current design lacking any real control or=
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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>From the list: "The first option means that an implementation could not send the echo, for example if a network was using it in a way that was harmful to users.  This provides an incentive for networks that do use it to either do nothing active with it or use it to improve user experience. (see Marcus Ihlar's thread for that)

I think the largest upside(or downside, depending upon your perspective) of the second option where the largest acked is included with every frame is that it means one MUST implement this correctly to implement QUIC, at least if they want to use the standard ack frame.

Personally, my largest concern with the second case is that of differential treatment of acks.  What if an ack packet contains other data, and a middlebox decides that only the most recent ack needs to be delivered(a common TCP approach), so the data bundled with the ack is inadvertently lost?

At this point, I lean towards the first option, because I understand the implications better, but I could be convinced otherwise.

Either way, I think both of these are potentially worthy of including and I think they're preferable to doing nothing."

In regards to reordering, the largest ack never decreases, even if packets are received out of order, so this should make decoding the value quite easy for middleboxes.  Any packets with an echo present should be ignored if their packet number is less than the last echo you saw(because that means reordering in the ack stream) and otherwise the largest acked is monotonically increasing.  

Before we do add this, I'd really like to hear from some network operators about how critical this is.  Ericsson clearly has a use case, but I wouldn't want to add this for a single company.  

My take is: If we give network operators the right information, they'll be able to operate their networks better, and that will benefit QUIC in the long run.  If we don't think this information is critical to operations, it just adds one more thing to ossify.

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<p>From the list: "The first option means that an implementation could not =
send the echo, for example if a network was using it in a way that was harm=
ful to users.  This provides an incentive for networks that do use it to ei=
ther do nothing active with it or use it to improve user experience. (see M=
arcus Ihlar's thread for that)</p>
<p>I think the largest upside(or downside, depending upon your perspective)=
 of the second option where the largest acked is included with every frame =
is that it means one MUST implement this correctly to implement QUIC, at le=
ast if they want to use the standard ack frame.</p>
<p>Personally, my largest concern with the second case is that of different=
ial treatment of acks.  What if an ack packet contains other data, and a mi=
ddlebox decides that only the most recent ack needs to be delivered(a commo=
n TCP approach), so the data bundled with the ack is inadvertently lost?</p>
<p>At this point, I lean towards the first option, because I understand the=
 implications better, but I could be convinced otherwise.</p>
<p>Either way, I think both of these are potentially worthy of including an=
d I think they're preferable to doing nothing."</p>
<p>In regards to reordering, the largest ack never decreases, even if packe=
ts are received out of order, so this should make decoding the value quite =
easy for middleboxes.  Any packets with an echo present should be ignored i=
f their packet number is less than the last echo you saw(because that means=
 reordering in the ack stream) and otherwise the largest acked is monotonic=
ally increasing.</p>
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ianswett commented on this pull request.

Thanks for the overview Jana.

>  
-## Constants of interest
+  * If all else fails, a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) alarm is always set when
+    any retransmittable packet is outstanding. When this alarm fires, all
+    unacknowledged packets are marked as lost.
+
+  * Instead of a packet threshold to tolerate reordering, a QUIC sender may use

I think it makes sense to either place this as bullet 2 or merge it into the first bullet.

> +
+  * A packet is marked as lost if at least one packet that was sent a threshold
+    number of packets (kReorderingThreshold) after it has been
+    acknowledged. This indicates that the unacknowledged packet is either lost
+    or reordered beyond the specified threshold. This mechanism combines both
+    TCP's FastRetransmit and FACK mechanisms.
+
+  * If a packet is near the tail, where fewer than kReorderingThreshold packets
+    are sent after it, the sender cannot expect to detect loss based on the
+    previous mechanism. In this case, a sender uses both ack information and an
+    alarm to detect loss. Specifically, when the last sent packet is
+    acknowledged, the sender waits a short period of time to allow for
+    reordering and then marks any unacknowledged packets as lost. This mechanism
+    is based on the Linux implementation of TCP Early Retransmit.
+
+  * If a packet is sent at the tail, there are no packets sent after it, and the

We don't mark any packets lost in this case until an ack is received.

>  
-## Constants of interest
+  * If all else fails, a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) alarm is always set when

That's not really true.  We only arm the RTO if we've exceeded max TLP and early retransmit timer and time loss detection don't apply.

>  # Loss Detection
 
-We now describe QUIC's loss detection as functions that should be called on
-packet transmission, when a packet is acked, and timer expiration events.
+## Overview {#overview}
+
+QUIC uses a combination of ack information and alarms to detect lost packets.
+An unacknowledged QUIC packet is marked as lost in one of the following ways:
+
+  * A packet is marked as lost if at least one packet that was sent a threshold

I find this sentence a bit hard to read.  Is it possible to change these bullets to be structured in parallel and all begin with When?

ie: "When a packet sent more than a threshold number of packets(kReorderingThreshold) after an unackowledged packet is acknowledged."

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<p>Thanks for the overview Jana.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/397#discussion_r106249062">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-## Constants of interest
+  * If all else fails, a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) alarm is always set when
+    any retransmittable packet is outstanding. When this alarm fires, all
+    unacknowledged packets are marked as lost.
+
+  * Instead of a packet threshold to tolerate reordering, a QUIC sender may use
</pre>
<p>I think it makes sense to either place this as bullet 2 or merge it into the first bullet.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/397#discussion_r106438660">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +
+  * A packet is marked as lost if at least one packet that was sent a threshold
+    number of packets (kReorderingThreshold) after it has been
+    acknowledged. This indicates that the unacknowledged packet is either lost
+    or reordered beyond the specified threshold. This mechanism combines both
+    TCP&#39;s FastRetransmit and FACK mechanisms.
+
+  * If a packet is near the tail, where fewer than kReorderingThreshold packets
+    are sent after it, the sender cannot expect to detect loss based on the
+    previous mechanism. In this case, a sender uses both ack information and an
+    alarm to detect loss. Specifically, when the last sent packet is
+    acknowledged, the sender waits a short period of time to allow for
+    reordering and then marks any unacknowledged packets as lost. This mechanism
+    is based on the Linux implementation of TCP Early Retransmit.
+
+  * If a packet is sent at the tail, there are no packets sent after it, and the
</pre>
<p>We don't mark any packets lost in this case until an ack is received.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/397#discussion_r106438888">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
-## Constants of interest
+  * If all else fails, a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) alarm is always set when
</pre>
<p>That's not really true.  We only arm the RTO if we've exceeded max TLP and early retransmit timer and time loss detection don't apply.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/397#discussion_r106440397">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  # Loss Detection
 
-We now describe QUIC&#39;s loss detection as functions that should be called on
-packet transmission, when a packet is acked, and timer expiration events.
+## Overview {#overview}
+
+QUIC uses a combination of ack information and alarms to detect lost packets.
+An unacknowledged QUIC packet is marked as lost in one of the following ways:
+
+  * A packet is marked as lost if at least one packet that was sent a threshold
</pre>
<p>I find this sentence a bit hard to read.  Is it possible to change these bullets to be structured in parallel and all begin with When?</p>
<p>ie: "When a packet sent more than a threshold number of packets(kReorderingThreshold) after an unackowledged packet is acknowledged."</p>

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> @@ -202,8 +202,8 @@ kDefaultInitialRtt (default 100ms):
 
 ## Variables of interest
 
-We first describe the variables required to implement the loss detection
-mechanisms described in this section.
+Variables required to implement the congestion control mechanisms
+described in this section.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/395#discussion_r106441852">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -202,8 +202,8 @@ kDefaultInitialRtt (default 100ms):
 
 ## Variables of interest
 
-We first describe the variables required to implement the loss detection
-mechanisms described in this section.
+Variables required to implement the congestion control mechanisms
+described in this section.
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>  ~~~
 
 # Congestion Control
 
-(describe NewReno-style congestion control {{?RFC6582}} for QUIC.)
-(describe appropriate byte counting.)
-(define recovery based on packet numbers.)
+QUIC's congestion control is based on TCP New Reno{{?RFC6582}}

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/395#discussion_r106441934">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  ~~~
 
 # Congestion Control
 
-(describe NewReno-style congestion control {{?RFC6582}} for QUIC.)
-(describe appropriate byte counting.)
-(define recovery based on packet numbers.)
+QUIC&#39;s congestion control is based on TCP New Reno{{?RFC6582}}
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>  ~~~
 
 # Congestion Control
 
-(describe NewReno-style congestion control {{?RFC6582}} for QUIC.)
-(describe appropriate byte counting.)
-(define recovery based on packet numbers.)
+QUIC's congestion control is based on TCP New Reno{{?RFC6582}}
+congestion control to determine the congestion window and pacing rate.
+
+## Slow Start
+
+QUIC uses a slow start approach where the congestion window is increased
+by the same number of bytes as are acknowledged while in slow start.
+QUIC begins every connection in slow start and exits slow start upon
+loss or when the min_rtt increases by more than 1/8th for a full round.

Oh, NewReno doesn't have hystart?  How 80s.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/395#discussion_r106442189">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  ~~~
 
 # Congestion Control
 
-(describe NewReno-style congestion control {{?RFC6582}} for QUIC.)
-(describe appropriate byte counting.)
-(define recovery based on packet numbers.)
+QUIC&#39;s congestion control is based on TCP New Reno{{?RFC6582}}
+congestion control to determine the congestion window and pacing rate.
+
+## Slow Start
+
+QUIC uses a slow start approach where the congestion window is increased
+by the same number of bytes as are acknowledged while in slow start.
+QUIC begins every connection in slow start and exits slow start upon
+loss or when the min_rtt increases by more than 1/8th for a full round.
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> +QUIC's congestion control is based on TCP New Reno{{?RFC6582}}
+congestion control to determine the congestion window and pacing rate.
+
+## Slow Start
+
+QUIC uses a slow start approach where the congestion window is increased
+by the same number of bytes as are acknowledged while in slow start.
+QUIC begins every connection in slow start and exits slow start upon
+loss or when the min_rtt increases by more than 1/8th for a full round.
+
+## Recovery
+
+Recovery is a period of time beginning with detection of a lost packet.
+It ends when all packets outstanding at the time recovery began have been
+acknowledged or lost. During recovery, the congestion window is not
+increased and the pacing gain is reduced to 1.

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/395#discussion_r106442336">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +QUIC&#39;s congestion control is based on TCP New Reno{{?RFC6582}}
+congestion control to determine the congestion window and pacing rate.
+
+## Slow Start
+
+QUIC uses a slow start approach where the congestion window is increased
+by the same number of bytes as are acknowledged while in slow start.
+QUIC begins every connection in slow start and exits slow start upon
+loss or when the min_rtt increases by more than 1/8th for a full round.
+
+## Recovery
+
+Recovery is a period of time beginning with detection of a lost packet.
+It ends when all packets outstanding at the time recovery began have been
+acknowledged or lost. During recovery, the congestion window is not
+increased and the pacing gain is reduced to 1.
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> +     else:
+       congestion_window +=
+           1500 * acked_packets.bytes / congestion_window
+~~~
+
+## On Packets Lost
+
+Invoked by loss detection from DetectLostPackets when new packets
+are detected lost.
+
+~~~
+   OnPacketsLost(lost_packets):
+     largest_lost_packet = lost_packets.last()
+     if (end_of_recovery < largest_lost_packet.packet_number):
+       end_of_recovery = largest_sent_packet
+       congestion_window *= kLossReductionFactor

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/395#discussion_r106442650">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +     else:
+       congestion_window +=
+           1500 * acked_packets.bytes / congestion_window
+~~~
+
+## On Packets Lost
+
+Invoked by loss detection from DetectLostPackets when new packets
+are detected lost.
+
+~~~
+   OnPacketsLost(lost_packets):
+     largest_lost_packet = lost_packets.last()
+     if (end_of_recovery &lt; largest_lost_packet.packet_number):
+       end_of_recovery = largest_sent_packet
+       congestion_window *= kLossReductionFactor
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> In regards to reordering, the largest ack never decreases, even if packets are received out of order, so this should make decoding the value quite easy for middleboxes. 

I made this point quite unclearly in my comment. The annoying thing, implementation-wise, about option 2 is having to pass the header field all the way into ACK frame processing. What I was trying to say is that largest_acked is probably a PCB variable anyway, so header processing just writes the largest_acked value into the PCB and ACK processing can pull it from there.

If the ACK stream is reordered, I'm not going to rewrite pcb->largest_acked to a lower value. So I'm stuck passing the value down again. Not the end of the world, but just trying to address complexity.

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b35e297  Added ssthresh and small changes


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On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 10:11 PM, Martin Thomson <notifications@github.co=
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wrote:

> Yes, this all binds to the 0-RTT credentials, so that places an upper
> bound on how long this is valid for.
>
> I'm going to concede straight up that the lifetime of things like "how
> much memory I am going to commit" is 100% not the same as the credentia=
l
> lifetime. But the client doesn't have anything else to go on.
>
I agree that it doesn't have anything else to go on now.  We could, in
theory, create methods to give it more to go on (e.g. a separate transpor=
t
parameter lifetime provided by the server), but I seriously doubt that's
worth it.

That assessment makes me wonder, though, how the success rate of the 0RTT=

connections with defaults will compare with that of connections using
remembered parameters.  If the remembered parameter connections succeed a=
s
often or more often, then they are clearly double plus good; if they
succeed less often, then the delta is the trade-off.  I don't,
unfortunately, have any data on what the delta is going to be in differen=
t
network conditions, and I distrust my own instincts here (I fear, but
without data, that they will fail more often in the cases where the
failures hurt worst).

> Ultimately, when the new session is created with a 0-RTT offer, the ser=
ver
> can always choose to reject 0-RTT if it can't live up to that promise.
> That's all it has, and we can ever hope for.
>
Well, that and clear signaling that this was why it was closed.

> Given the dynamics involved, this is going to be a per-connection decis=
ion.
>
> Sure, that means that you have a bunch of pressures that eventually end=
 up
> with a flat success/fail decision, and you might be sad about that, but=
 I'm
> far more sad about the current design lacking any real control or
> determinism. At least this way the server can tune in the values it
> provides so that it gets the best result (for whatever metrics the serv=
er
> cares about).
>
I think the control surface is very hard to use.  You can't the credentia=
l
life time, so you can provide a value that is "generally useful", but no
more.  That may be better than nothing, but I don't think it stands much
tuning.

Ted



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&gt; Yes, this all binds to the 0-RTT credentials, so that places an uppe=
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&gt;<br>
&gt; I&#39;m going to concede straight up that the lifetime of things lik=
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redential<br>
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>
&gt;<br>
I agree that it doesn&#39;t have anything else to go on now.  We could, i=
n<br>
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t<br>
parameter lifetime provided by the server), but I seriously doubt that&#3=
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worth it.<br>
<br>
That assessment makes me wonder, though, how the success rate of the 0RTT=
<br>
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remembered parameters.  If the remembered parameter connections succeed a=
s<br>
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succeed less often, then the delta is the trade-off.  I don&#39;t,<br>
unfortunately, have any data on what the delta is going to be in differen=
t<br>
network conditions, and I distrust my own instincts here (I fear, but<br>=

without data, that they will fail more often in the cases where the<br>
failures hurt worst).<br>
<br>
&gt; Ultimately, when the new session is created with a 0-RTT offer, the =
server<br>
&gt; can always choose to reject 0-RTT if it can&#39;t live up to that pr=
omise.<br>
&gt; That&#39;s all it has, and we can ever hope for.<br>
&gt;<br>
Well, that and clear signaling that this was why it was closed.<br>
<br>
&gt; Given the dynamics involved, this is going to be a per-connection de=
cision.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Sure, that means that you have a bunch of pressures that eventually =
end up<br>
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but I&#39;m<br>
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>
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br>
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&gt; cares about).<br>
&gt;<br>
I think the control surface is very hard to use.  You can&#39;t the crede=
ntial<br>
life time, so you can provide a value that is &quot;generally useful&quot=
;, but no<br>
more.  That may be better than nothing, but I don&#39;t think it stands m=
uch<br>
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<br>
Ted<br>
<br>
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  First version of congestion control (#395)

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  * restore artwork indentation broken by #403

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My hypothesis (caveat with the same distrust of intuition you have) is that if you let a client use the default OR remembered value for connection flow control, then you will have to reject more often.  That is, when remembered < default, a server can't know whether the client bothered to remember and so will have to assume the worst.

Creating clear signaling for this might not be feasible.  "I don't have enough memory for your 0-RTT data" is another way of saying "please DoS me more" to some people.

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There's another consideration: how useful the information is for passive measurement. Here, Option 2 edges out Option 1 for passive RTT measurement -- since the echo signal is more frequent, observation points can have higher-fidelity estimates with less state. Given this, I'm leaning in favor of option 2 as well.

Echo isn't very helpful for loss measurement -- most of the literature on one-point loss measurement makes use of the fact that TCP exposes retransmissions. After spending a few minutes at the whiteboard this morning, the only not-terrible idea that comes to mind is having a detailed RTT series (as possible with Option 2, but not with option 1) and estimating events generated by loss bursts by looking for transients in residuals in the RTT series. Loss estimation that doesn't suck needs additional information, such as adding a ConEx-like signal as discussed in #279.

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<p>There's another consideration: how useful the information is for passive=
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her-fidelity estimates with less state. Given this, I'm leaning in favor of=
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only not-terrible idea that comes to mind is having a detailed RTT series (=
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Why couple the echo to the presence of ACK?  Why not send it on every packet then?

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<p>Why couple the echo to the presence of ACK?  Why not send it on every packet then?</p>

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It's not necessarily coupled. If the max-acked field comes out of the ACK frame, a sender MUST send an echo on any packet containing an ACK frame, and MAY on any other packet with a short header. Indeed, if we want to make sure that nobody gets the idea that "packet number echo == ACK-only packet a la TCP" we should ensure that echo also appears on some non-ACK packets.

Thinking about this a bit more... Consider the common case of an extremely asymmetric flow (e.g. big HTTP object GET). The client is going to be sending primarily ACK frames, so will be sending lots of echos. The server won't be ACKing anything, since it got the whole request in the first few packets. The max packet number seen keeps going up, since it's getting a lot of packets full of ACKs, but it's not ACKing them. So you're only seeing echoes in one direction. That's bad for one-point RTT measurement.

(for those not used to thinking about measuring RTT at a single point; here's an illustration I made a few years ago; the main point is you need sufficient samples in both directions so you can add "forward-side" and "reverse-side" estimates together)

![one-point-rtt](https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/1884116/24040943/a7a939a8-0b0b-11e7-92ae-7f1a7e44ad82.png)

So *just* "echo on ACK" is probably insufficient. Let me suggest the following simplification, then:

### Option 3: Echo max-acked / max-seen on every packet with a short header, and remove it from the ACK frame

Rationale: This ensures sufficient samples for high-fidelity RTT measurement regardless of flow asymmetry, and offsets the overhead somewhat and eliminates redundancy by removing the echoed information from the ACK frame.

Upsides: It's very simple to know when to echo. The presence of an ACK frame is not exposed to the path. This provides the best possible signal for passive RTT measurement.

Downsides: A little more overhead. Shares with option 2 the lack of frame self-description for ACK frames.


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<p>It's not necessarily coupled. If the max-acked field comes out of the AC=
K frame, a sender MUST send an echo on any packet containing an ACK frame, =
and MAY on any other packet with a short header. Indeed, if we want to make=
 sure that nobody gets the idea that "packet number echo =3D=3D ACK-only pa=
cket a la TCP" we should ensure that echo also appears on some non-ACK pack=
ets.</p>
<p>Thinking about this a bit more... Consider the common case of an extreme=
ly asymmetric flow (e.g. big HTTP object GET). The client is going to be se=
nding primarily ACK frames, so will be sending lots of echos. The server wo=
n't be ACKing anything, since it got the whole request in the first few pac=
kets. The max packet number seen keeps going up, since it's getting a lot o=
f packets full of ACKs, but it's not ACKing them. So you're only seeing ech=
oes in one direction. That's bad for one-point RTT measurement.</p>
<p>(for those not used to thinking about measuring RTT at a single point; h=
ere's an illustration I made a few years ago; the main point is you need su=
fficient samples in both directions so you can add "forward-side" and "reve=
rse-side" estimates together)</p>
<p><a href=3D"https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/1884116/24040943/a=
7a939a8-0b0b-11e7-92ae-7f1a7e44ad82.png" target=3D"_blank"><img src=3D"http=
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<p>So <em>just</em> "echo on ACK" is probably insufficient. Let me suggest =
the following simplification, then:</p>
<h3>Option 3: Echo max-acked / max-seen on every packet with a short header=
, and remove it from the ACK frame</h3>
<p>Rationale: This ensures sufficient samples for high-fidelity RTT measure=
ment regardless of flow asymmetry, and offsets the overhead somewhat and el=
iminates redundancy by removing the echoed information from the ACK frame.<=
/p>
<p>Upsides: It's very simple to know when to echo. The presence of an ACK f=
rame is not exposed to the path. This provides the best possible signal for=
 passive RTT measurement.</p>
<p>Downsides: A little more overhead. Shares with option 2 the lack of fram=
e self-description for ACK frames.</p>

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Add ability to filter by the user who created an issue/PR. 

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<p>Add ability to filter by the user who created an issue/PR.</p>
<p>NB: Completely untested!</p>

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Thanks Lucas, I've applied this here: https://github.com/martinthomson/i-d-template/commit/d54c346b5e7d0150f93af8b44fdf505b894a6759

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<p>Thanks Lucas, I've applied this here: <a href="https://github.com/martinthomson/i-d-template/commit/d54c346b5e7d0150f93af8b44fdf505b894a6759" class="commit-link">martinthomson/i-d-template@<tt>d54c346</tt></a></p>
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Sorry about that confusion,  I'll be sure to make any future PRs to that
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Looking forward to the wugh BoF in Chicago!

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@britram I think it's ok to provide an RTT measurement less frequently when little data is flowing.   The removal of STOP_WAITING and acking acks results in sending a retransmittable frame with an ack approximately once per RTT.   So both directions should get an RTT estimate approximately once per RTT.

@martinthomson Connections are typically bandwidth limited in one direction, but commonly not both.  We'd like to limit the overhead this adds, particularly on the bandwidth limited direction.  So putting it on every packet containing an ack is a reasonable compromise.

I'm still apprehensive about making this required in any way.  Past experience with exposing more information to the network has not been uniformly positive.

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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-frto
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-- Commit Summary --

  * Incorporate F-RTO

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    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (58)

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  Changed paths:
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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-frto
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ac603a7  Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md


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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-frto
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My take is that we have enough on our plate without defining this too; it can be introduced later with an extension or a new version if it's defined elsewhere. 

In particular, I'd be concerned that adding compression would trigger a need for a round of crypto review, and as discussed before, the TLS WG is better at getting that.

So, I'm inclined to think we should close this issue with no action -- provided that Martin can remove the requirement (how's that going?). 

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Well, all we need is a decision to remove the requirement.  The removing part already happened.

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<p>Well, all we need is a decision to remove the requirement.  The removing part already happened.</p>

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@larseggert ok to close this then?

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<p><a href="https://github.com/larseggert" class="user-mention">@larseggert</a> ok to close this then?</p>

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  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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A protocol overview should concentrate on establishing the function of the protocol at a high level.  That is, it should describe what the protocol is for and then how the protocol sets out to achieve those goals, with pointers to more detailed explanations of each.  It should act as a way for new readers to orient themselves in both the protocol and its specification.

The overview is currently pure self-promotion, which covers part of the first goal, but doesn't do much to help the reader understand how each of these wonderful *features* are actually put together.

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<p>A protocol overview should concentrate on establishing the function of the protocol at a high level.  That is, it should describe what the protocol is for and then how the protocol sets out to achieve those goals, with pointers to more detailed explanations of each.  It should act as a way for new readers to orient themselves in both the protocol and its specification.</p>
<p>The overview is currently pure self-promotion, which covers part of the first goal, but doesn't do much to help the reader understand how each of these wonderful <em>features</em> are actually put together.</p>

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The current document structure has suffered a little from the large volume of changes that we've thrown at the spec.  Here's a structure that I think will survive a little better:

## Fluff

* Introduction (Why QUIC, really high level of what it does)
* Overview (see #410)

## High-Level Concepts

* Connections
   * lifecycle (include handshake overview here)
   * graceful shutdown
   * error handling
   * public reset (semantics, not bits)
   * source address validation and DoS
* Streams (lifecycle, purpose and function, priority, flow control)
* Packets and Frames
   * relationship between packets and frames
   * packetization
   * retransmission rules
   * pmtud
* Versions (version negotiation, version numbers)
* Connection IDs (why, migration, nat rebinding, changing ID, privacy)

## Mechanics

* Packet Format
   * long and short headers
   * what is constant between versions
   * definition of each of the packet types
* Packet Protection (key phases, AEAD)
* Frames (definition of each frame type; include current Sections 6+8)
* Handshake (crypto, transport parameters)
* Error Codes

## Boilerplate

* Security Considerations
* IANA
* etc...


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<p>The current document structure has suffered a little from the large volume of changes that we've thrown at the spec.  Here's a structure that I think will survive a little better:</p>
<h2>Fluff</h2>
<ul>
<li>Introduction (Why QUIC, really high level of what it does)</li>
<li>Overview (see <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/410" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/410" data-id="215339312" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#410</a>)</li>
</ul>
<h2>High-Level Concepts</h2>
<ul>
<li>Connections
<ul>
<li>lifecycle (include handshake overview here)</li>
<li>graceful shutdown</li>
<li>error handling</li>
<li>public reset (semantics, not bits)</li>
<li>source address validation and DoS</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>Streams (lifecycle, purpose and function, priority, flow control)</li>
<li>Packets and Frames
<ul>
<li>relationship between packets and frames</li>
<li>packetization</li>
<li>retransmission rules</li>
<li>pmtud</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>Versions (version negotiation, version numbers)</li>
<li>Connection IDs (why, migration, nat rebinding, changing ID, privacy)</li>
</ul>
<h2>Mechanics</h2>
<ul>
<li>Packet Format
<ul>
<li>long and short headers</li>
<li>what is constant between versions</li>
<li>definition of each of the packet types</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>Packet Protection (key phases, AEAD)</li>
<li>Frames (definition of each frame type; include current Sections 6+8)</li>
<li>Handshake (crypto, transport parameters)</li>
<li>Error Codes</li>
</ul>
<h2>Boilerplate</h2>
<ul>
<li>Security Considerations</li>
<li>IANA</li>
<li>etc...</li>
</ul>

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> I think it's ok to provide an RTT measurement less frequently when little data is flowing

The issue here is that each direction isn't providing an RTT measurement; it's providing a measurement only for the component of the RTT between the observation point and one endpoint. Referring to the illustration, an observation point close to the receiver in an asymmetric flow gets the RTT component toward the receiver far more often than the RTT component toward the sender. 

> The removal of STOP_WAITING and acking acks results in sending a retransmittable frame with an ack approximately once per RTT. So both directions should get an RTT estimate approximately once per RTT.

Ah, right. Sorry, still thinking in TCP terms. Okay, so Option 2 echoes on (practically) a superset of Option 1. 

FWIW I continue to share your apprehension about making this non-optional. I like the idea of allowing application/user veto, which is only possible when the packet number echo is redundant with the ACK frames.

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<p>I think it's ok to provide an RTT measurement less frequently when littl=
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ervation point close to the receiver in an asymmetric flow gets the RTT com=
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<p>Ah, right. Sorry, still thinking in TCP terms. Okay, so Option 2 echoes =
on (practically) a superset of Option 1.</p>
<p>FWIW I continue to share your apprehension about making this non-optiona=
l. I like the idea of allowing application/user veto, which is only possibl=
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@vasilvv Is presenting this at TLS WG in Chicago, so I think it's fine to close this and make it a TLS WG item.

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<p><a href="https://github.com/vasilvv" class="user-mention">@vasilvv</a> Is presenting this at TLS WG in Chicago, so I think it's fine to close this and make it a TLS WG item.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 336afbcd7ea39075cd077b6aaa0364aba202f81a
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/336afbcd7ea39075cd077b6aaa0364aba202f81a
  Author: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
  Date:   2017-03-21 (Tue, 21 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Correct change log for stream 0/1



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You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

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  * Bash agenda based on discussion with @janaiyengar

-- File Changes --

    M ietf98/agenda.md (22)

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<h4>You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:</h4>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href='https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/pull/4'>https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/pull/4</a></p>

<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Bash agenda based on discussion with @janaiyengar</li>
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Here's a nit: the drafts currently cite their sibling drafts in a way that doesn't conform to the applicable rules. For instance, in <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-http-02#section-10.1> we have:

       [QUIC-TRANSPORT]
                  Iyengar, J., Ed. and M. Thomson, Ed., "QUIC: A UDP-Based
                  Multiplexed and Secure Transport".


That lacks the draft name, the publication date, and the mandatory "work in progress" clause.

Essentially, a newbie reader would have to do a web search for the document title.

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<p>Here's a nit: the drafts currently cite their sibling drafts in a way that doesn't conform to the applicable rules. For instance, in <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-http-02#section-10.1">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-http-02#section-10.1</a> we have:</p>
<pre><code>   [QUIC-TRANSPORT]
              Iyengar, J., Ed. and M. Thomson, Ed., "QUIC: A UDP-Based
              Multiplexed and Secure Transport".
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<p>That lacks the draft name, the publication date, and the mandatory "work in progress" clause.</p>
<p>Essentially, a newbie reader would have to do a web search for the document title.</p>

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I tend to agree the front matter is some good marketing, but maybe we could retain it somehow by moving some of it to an informative annex?

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<p>I tend to agree the front matter is some good marketing, but maybe we could retain it somehow by moving some of it to an informative annex?</p>

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ianswett commented on this pull request.

I would put #227 before 167, because if we encrypt all the packets with a deterministic key, I don't believe we need to agree on a hash function?



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<p>I would put #227 before 167, because if we encrypt all the packets with a deterministic key, I don't believe we need to agree on a hash function?</p>

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janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

Thanks for writing this up, Ian.  A few comments

> @@ -248,6 +248,10 @@ tlp_count:
 rto_count:
 : The number of times an rto has been sent without receiving an ack.
 
+largest_sent_before_rto:
+: The last packet number sent prior to the first transmission due to

nit: change phrase to "prior to the first retransmission timeout"

> @@ -372,6 +377,12 @@ Pseudocode for OnPacketAcked follows:
 
 ~~~
    OnPacketAcked(acked_packet_number):
+     // If a packet sent prior to RTO was acked, then the RTO
+     // was spurious.  Otherwise, inform congestion control.
+     // Similar to the goal of F-RTO {{?RFC5682}}

I would remove this last line from here and add it (now or later) to the text description.

>       if (end_of_recovery < largest_lost_packet.packet_number):
        end_of_recovery = largest_sent_packet
        congestion_window *= kLossReductionFactor
+       congestion_window = max(congestion_window, kMinimumWindow)

nit: combine this line with the previous one:
congestion_window = 
    max(congestion_window * kLossReductionFactor, kMinimumWindow)

>  
 ~~~
    TimeToSend(packet_size):
      if (bytes_in_flight + packet_size > congestion_window)
        return infinite
+     pacing_coefficient = 1.25
+     if (congestion_window < ssthresh)
+       pacing_coefficient = 2

I don't think we need a pacing coeff of 2 here. I never understood why FQ did this, but I don't think we need to have this in the doc. In general I'm less certain that we want to describe the pacing impl as part of the congestion controller... I'm comfortable with definiing the TimeToSend interface without implementing it here. For now, I would at least remove the use of pacing_coeff here.

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<p><b>@janaiyengar</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<p>Thanks for writing this up, Ian.  A few comments</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/409#discussion_r107254421">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -248,6 +248,10 @@ tlp_count:
 rto_count:
 : The number of times an rto has been sent without receiving an ack.
 
+largest_sent_before_rto:
+: The last packet number sent prior to the first transmission due to
</pre>
<p>nit: change phrase to "prior to the first retransmission timeout"</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/409#discussion_r107254726">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -372,6 +377,12 @@ Pseudocode for OnPacketAcked follows:
 
 ~~~
    OnPacketAcked(acked_packet_number):
+     // If a packet sent prior to RTO was acked, then the RTO
+     // was spurious.  Otherwise, inform congestion control.
+     // Similar to the goal of F-RTO {{?RFC5682}}
</pre>
<p>I would remove this last line from here and add it (now or later) to the text description.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/409#discussion_r107255529">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;       if (end_of_recovery &lt; largest_lost_packet.packet_number):
        end_of_recovery = largest_sent_packet
        congestion_window *= kLossReductionFactor
+       congestion_window = max(congestion_window, kMinimumWindow)
</pre>
<p>nit: combine this line with the previous one:<br>
congestion_window =<br>
max(congestion_window * kLossReductionFactor, kMinimumWindow)</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/409#discussion_r107256525">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
 ~~~
    TimeToSend(packet_size):
      if (bytes_in_flight + packet_size &gt; congestion_window)
        return infinite
+     pacing_coefficient = 1.25
+     if (congestion_window &lt; ssthresh)
+       pacing_coefficient = 2
</pre>
<p>I don't think we need a pacing coeff of 2 here. I never understood why FQ did this, but I don't think we need to have this in the doc. In general I'm less certain that we want to describe the pacing impl as part of the congestion controller... I'm comfortable with definiing the TimeToSend interface without implementing it here. For now, I would at least remove the use of pacing_coeff here.</p>

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>       if (end_of_recovery < largest_lost_packet.packet_number):
        end_of_recovery = largest_sent_packet
        congestion_window *= kLossReductionFactor
+       congestion_window = max(congestion_window, kMinimumWindow)

I tried, but it ends up taking up 3 lines, so I just kept it as is.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/409#discussion_r107270104">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;       if (end_of_recovery &lt; largest_lost_packet.packet_number):
        end_of_recovery = largest_sent_packet
        congestion_window *= kLossReductionFactor
+       congestion_window = max(congestion_window, kMinimumWindow)
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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-frto
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 65c9987ee8662f0e80ec7d6140cf0a74e767e784
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/65c9987ee8662f0e80ec7d6140cf0a74e767e784
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  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

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@ianswett pushed 1 commit.

65c9987  Line length.


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The idea is to discuss those as a block, with 227 being closed as a result of discussing 167.

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials
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  Bash agenda based on discussion with @janaiyengar


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  * Fix meetecho link

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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We had an accidental regression that removed the data.  I originally thought that the other parts would be too hard, but it turns out that a small change is enough, see 76b0e2d and separately https://github.com/martinthomson/i-d-template/commit/f29bbb3bd353b7291b46e787ebf2147379b7f94d

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There is a common problem throughout the draft whereby the document talks about state transitions triggered by sending a packet.  This is necessary when the state causes resources to be committed, but when resources are freed it is invariably wrong.

Thus, we have two classes situations for a sender that need to be clearly distinguished:

1. Actions that reserve resources take effect as soon as the first packet is sent.  This includes:
   * sending the first STREAM frame on a stream (which consumes a concurrent stream),
   * the first transmission of and STREAM data (which moves the flow control offset),
   * sending a packet that adds to the header table (which reduces the available space there), 
   * etc...

2. Actions that release resources take effect when they are acknowledged.  This includes:
   * sending a STREAM frame with the FIN flag set (which can release a stream),
   * sending a RST_STREAM frame (which can release a stream),
   * deleting a header table entry (which eventually frees space),
   * etc...

When describing these, we need to be careful to be very precise about these things.  In particular, STREAM frames with a FIN flag can both consume resource and release them.  The consumption happens immediately, but the release depends on acknowledgment.

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<p>There is a common problem throughout the draft whereby the document talks about state transitions triggered by sending a packet.  This is necessary when the state causes resources to be committed, but when resources are freed it is invariably wrong.</p>
<p>Thus, we have two classes situations for a sender that need to be clearly distinguished:</p>
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<p>Actions that reserve resources take effect as soon as the first packet is sent.  This includes:</p>
<ul>
<li>sending the first STREAM frame on a stream (which consumes a concurrent stream),</li>
<li>the first transmission of and STREAM data (which moves the flow control offset),</li>
<li>sending a packet that adds to the header table (which reduces the available space there),</li>
<li>etc...</li>
</ul>
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<p>Actions that release resources take effect when they are acknowledged.  This includes:</p>
<ul>
<li>sending a STREAM frame with the FIN flag set (which can release a stream),</li>
<li>sending a RST_STREAM frame (which can release a stream),</li>
<li>deleting a header table entry (which eventually frees space),</li>
<li>etc...</li>
</ul>
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<p>When describing these, we need to be careful to be very precise about these things.  In particular, STREAM frames with a FIN flag can both consume resource and release them.  The consumption happens immediately, but the release depends on acknowledgment.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Changed paths:
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To be clear - this has been superceded by #181. `SETTINGS_ACK` is no more.

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<p>To be clear - this has been superceded by <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/181" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/181" data-id="202049568" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#181</a>. <code>SETTINGS_ACK</code> is no more.</p>

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+1 to starting fresh from me.

Is this really closed?

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<p>+1 to starting fresh from me.</p>
<p>Is this really closed?</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials
  Commit: 0b9f540f658fd2a229c9935bd80acada9f7a1ec4
      https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/commit/0b9f540f658fd2a229c9935bd80acada9f7a1ec4
  Author: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
  Date:   2017-03-23 (Thu, 23 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    A ietf98/ECN.pdf
    M ietf98/agenda.md

  Log Message:
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  add ECN presentation


  Commit: cc97809c183d89f92d880fecafe4076bcffaca8c
      https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/commit/cc97809c183d89f92d880fecafe4076bcffaca8c
  Author: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
  Date:   2017-03-23 (Thu, 23 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M ietf98/agenda.md

  Log Message:
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  add presentations


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/compare/1a5055d1dfb3...cc97809c183d
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There should be a note saying what is the value of an offset if the offset length is 0. The implementation must assume that  the offset is 0.

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<p>There should be a note saying what is the value of an offset if the offset length is 0. The implementation must assume that  the offset is 0.</p>

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Closed because there's text addressing it in -02.  The "split registries" has a separate issue, which is not closed.

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<p>Closed because there's text addressing it in -02.  The "split registries" has a separate issue, which is not closed.</p>

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Apologies for chiming in late.  

But it appears that this issue is a result of "simplifying" the state diagram to its present form as of the -02 mapping.    The previous reserved remote state exactly allowed the number of promises to be larger than the concurrency limit.    There would of course be a separate limit on the number of outstanding PUSH_PROMISES, and a corresponding ENHANCE_YOUR_CALM error when exceeded.   

I would propose adding back the "reserved" state as in the -01 revision.






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Was discussing REFUSED here.   Just to throw out an idea that came up which I don't remember seeing elsewhere yet.

What if the last requirement were changed to the following:

* The HTTP layer will *always* replay the *same* HPACK *frame* on a *stream 3* if a REFUSED is encountered.   

Sending again surely isn't optimal, but I think it would be quite simple to implement.







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<p>Was discussing REFUSED here.   Just to throw out an idea that came up wh=
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This has nothing to do with the removal of the reserved state, which had no material effect on the protocol.  As you say, there was no limit on reserved streams.  Though the state doesn't appear, the value is still unlimited.  The problem is that you can't *use* a reserved stream.

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Hmmm, not sure I'm buying this. Assuming QUIC wins, and becomes the future of HTTP, wouldn't UAs just switch behavior, such that we assume QUIC is the predominant protocol for https:// ? With an (optional?) fallback to HTTPS when needed (albeit slower)?

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Ok, but the state diagram in the -02 mapping draft indicates that a stream can be opened if a higher stream id was received.   In effect, this means opening one stream can imply the opening of others.  This was not the case in the prior state diagram.   Also, the text of prior revisions may have not called it out, but having a limit associated with the number of reserved streams independent of the number of open streams is the natural way to allow promises beyond the concurrency limit, but within a (higher) bound.

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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-frto
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 06bde72918e1bf86236f227774990cfd4b40659e
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/06bde72918e1bf86236f227774990cfd4b40659e
  Author: Mike Bishop <michbish@microsoft.com>
  Date:   2017-03-26 (Sun, 26 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

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  Shorten RFC Editor's Note line



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06bde72  Shorten RFC Editor's Note line


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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Incorporate F-RTO


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  Merge pull request #409 from quicwg/ianswett-frto

Incorporate F-RTO


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/55002e692712...a1a885fa4c4b
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ianswett approved this pull request.

Nice catch, thanks!



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<p>Nice catch, thanks!</p>

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We've talked about four routes here:

1)  **Long live TCP.**  All HTTP sites will be dual-stack, and the authoritative endpoint will be TCP.  Clients MUST have a way to find the secure delegation from that TCP endpoint to QUIC, though we might define alternatives to Alt-Svc headers which could be done without TCP.  (Alt-Svc in DNS?)

2)  **Update RFC3986.**  RFC 3986 explicitly states that "The type of port designated by the port number (e.g., TCP, UDP, SCTP) is defined by the URI scheme."  We could update the URI to contain a protocol designator, whose default is defined by the URI scheme.  As it would be omitted in all existing URIs, their interpretation remains unchanged.  Then https://www.example.com:q443/ refers to QUIC on UDP 443.

3)  **Define a new scheme.**  See pull request.

4)  **What's it matter?**  Assume that HTTP/QUIC on port 443 is likely equivalent to HTTP/TCP on port 443 if the cert is valid and call it good.

We explicitly do not consider the same host on different ports equivalent authorities, even if they happen to be listening on both ports with the same cert.  Why is TCP 443 vs. UDP 443 any different from TCP 443 vs. TCP 444?  (4) seems like a security issue waiting to happen.

I'm going to reverse myself and disagree that (3) is undeployable on the web in the near-term.  App-to-app handoff on many (most?) platforms now uses custom URI schemes.  Apps that encounter unknown URI schemes ask the OS; the OS is able to invoke appropriately-registered apps or tell the user they need to get a capable app.  E.g. launching "nonsense://" produces this on Win10:

![image](https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/4273797/24390519/18b217aa-134f-11e7-8c13-22a24805081b.png)

Some cursory testing shows that browsers block navigations to URI schemes that don't have an OS-registered handler.  But if you have two browsers, one QUIC-capable and one not, when you click an httpq:// link in the non-QUIC browser the OS will launch the QUIC-capable browser for you and you proceed on your merry way.  This seems almost exactly what we'd want to have happen.

(2) probably *is* undeployable, because legacy apps will attempt to parse the URI and declare it invalid.  They're semi-used to seeing unknown schemes (xboxliveapp-1297287741://, anyone?), but changes that break the parsers would be seriously painful.

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<p>We've talked about four routes here:</p>
<ol>
<li>
<p><strong>Long live TCP.</strong>  All HTTP sites will be dual-stack, an=
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d the secure delegation from that TCP endpoint to QUIC, though we might d=
efine alternatives to Alt-Svc headers which could be done without TCP.  (=
Alt-Svc in DNS?)</p>
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<li>
<p><strong>Update RFC3986.</strong>  RFC 3986 explicitly states that "The=
 type of port designated by the port number (e.g., TCP, UDP, SCTP) is def=
ined by the URI scheme."  We could update the URI to contain a protocol d=
esignator, whose default is defined by the URI scheme.  As it would be om=
itted in all existing URIs, their interpretation remains unchanged.  Then=
 <a href=3D"https://www.example.com:q443/">https://www.example.com:q443/<=
/a> refers to QUIC on UDP 443.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>Define a new scheme.</strong>  See pull request.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p><strong>What's it matter?</strong>  Assume that HTTP/QUIC on port 443 =
is likely equivalent to HTTP/TCP on port 443 if the cert is valid and cal=
l it good.</p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>We explicitly do not consider the same host on different ports equival=
ent authorities, even if they happen to be listening on both ports with t=
he same cert.  Why is TCP 443 vs. UDP 443 any different from TCP 443 vs. =
TCP 444?  (4) seems like a security issue waiting to happen.</p>
<p>I'm going to reverse myself and disagree that (3) is undeployable on t=
he web in the near-term.  App-to-app handoff on many (most?) platforms no=
w uses custom URI schemes.  Apps that encounter unknown URI schemes ask t=
he OS; the OS is able to invoke appropriately-registered apps or tell the=
 user they need to get a capable app.  E.g. launching "nonsense://" produ=
ces this on Win10:</p>
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/18b217aa-134f-11e7-8c13-22a24805081b.png" target=3D"_blank"><img src=3D"=
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<p>Some cursory testing shows that browsers block navigations to URI sche=
mes that don't have an OS-registered handler.  But if you have two browse=
rs, one QUIC-capable and one not, when you click an httpq:// link in the =
non-QUIC browser the OS will launch the QUIC-capable browser for you and =
you proceed on your merry way.  This seems almost exactly what we'd want =
to have happen.</p>
<p>(2) probably <em>is</em> undeployable, because legacy apps will attemp=
t to parse the URI and declare it invalid.  They're semi-used to seeing u=
nknown schemes (xboxliveapp-1297287741://, anyone?), but changes that bre=
ak the parsers would be seriously painful.</p>

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Yes, I believe defining the size of the UDP datagram solves the problem.

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<p>Yes, I believe defining the size of the UDP datagram solves the problem.</p>

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> it's providing a measurement only for the component of the RTT between the observation point and one endpoint.

While true, I'm not sure in practice that middlebox operators care about both sides of the path. In many cases, one side is "network I'm responsible for" and one is "the internet." In others, I might be using RTT to detect congestion and throttle egress accordingly, which implies that there's data going out.

All that said, I prefer option 3 until someone gives me an example of the echo being used maliciously.

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<p>it's providing a measurement only for the component of the RTT between t=
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<p>While true, I'm not sure in practice that middlebox operators care about=
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<p>All that said, I prefer option 3 until someone gives me an example of th=
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  * Simplify and clarify RTO alarm calculation

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martinduke approved this pull request.

Much better. The previous wording seemed to imply we were doubling the previous timeout, rather than recalculating based on the current srtt.

What you have here is much easier and equivalent to what most TCP implementations do (I believe)



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<p><b>@martinduke</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>Much better. The previous wording seemed to imply we were doubling the previous timeout, rather than recalculating based on the current srtt.</p>
<p>What you have here is much easier and equivalent to what most TCP implementations do (I believe)</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 673e29560b6f16492ebf33823ddd916e4b8bbb23
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/673e29560b6f16492ebf33823ddd916e4b8bbb23
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  Date:   2017-03-28 (Tue, 28 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

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To move along #279, this PR provides a straw man proposal for both a Loss Detection Flag and a Blocked flag. I emphasize that these changes are separable, if one is palatable and the other is not.
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  * Troubleshooting flags in public header

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (21)

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<p>To move along <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/279" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/279" data-id="206591403" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#279</a>, this PR provides a straw man proposal for both a Loss Detection Flag and a Blocked flag. I emphasize that these changes are separable, if one is palatable and the other is not.</p>

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See the PR in #418 so that there is a coherent proposal to shoot at.

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We've already had a lot of discussions about the concurrent streams limit, which all brought us back to the problem that at every given moment both peers have to agree about the number of open streams, which seems to require a non-trivial amount of bookkeeping (of ACKs received for all STREAM frames sent on a given stream).

I'd like to propose a different solution, which solves this problem, and has a couple of nice additional properties as well:

A receiver advertises the maximum Stream ID it is willing to accept. The sender is allowed to open all streams that have IDs not larger than this number. The receiver can advertise a higher maximum Stream ID whenever it likes to, by sending a STREAM_LIMIT_UPDATE frame. STREAM_LIMIT_UPDATE is a retransmittable frame that contains a single value, the maximum Stream ID.
Note that conceptually, this is similar to advertising a flow control offset (and the rules for STREAM_LIMIT_UPDATEs would be similar to those for WINDOW_UPDATEs).

An implementation is free to choose any algorithm to determine which maximum Stream ID it advertises. The number of open streams may be used, but I can think of a couple of other ways to limit the state a peer can create. It would even be possible to advertise different limits depending on the server load.

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<p>We've already had a lot of discussions about the concurrent streams limit, which all brought us back to the problem that at every given moment both peers have to agree about the number of open streams, which seems to require a non-trivial amount of bookkeeping (of ACKs received for all STREAM frames sent on a given stream).</p>
<p>I'd like to propose a different solution, which solves this problem, and has a couple of nice additional properties as well:</p>
<p>A receiver advertises the maximum Stream ID it is willing to accept. The sender is allowed to open all streams that have IDs not larger than this number. The receiver can advertise a higher maximum Stream ID whenever it likes to, by sending a STREAM_LIMIT_UPDATE frame. STREAM_LIMIT_UPDATE is a retransmittable frame that contains a single value, the maximum Stream ID.<br>
Note that conceptually, this is similar to advertising a flow control offset (and the rules for STREAM_LIMIT_UPDATEs would be similar to those for WINDOW_UPDATEs).</p>
<p>An implementation is free to choose any algorithm to determine which maximum Stream ID it advertises. The number of open streams may be used, but I can think of a couple of other ways to limit the state a peer can create. It would even be possible to advertise different limits depending on the server load.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-todos
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Note that GOAWAY (at least with its current semantics) could then just be a special case of this STREAM_LIMIT_UPDATE frame.

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<p>Note that GOAWAY (at least with its current semantics) could then just be a special case of this STREAM_LIMIT_UPDATE frame.</p>

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Interesting proposal! I wonder if we could also augment the RST_STREAM
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Sold.  Working on a PR now.  ;-)

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Nice suggestion.

I would expect it to be illegal to reduce the max stream id, but that's exactly what one might want to do with GOAWAY.  Thoughts?

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There's still a place for an application-level signal -- you stop sending updates, but the other side needs to know whether they're just being throttled or asked to roll over to a new connection.

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<p>There's still a place for an application-level signal -- you stop sending updates, but the other side needs to know whether they're just being throttled or asked to roll over to a new connection.</p>

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Fixes #419.  I largely copied the WINDOW_UPDATE language.  It might actually be cleaner to recast this as a third level of flow control:  Bytes on streams, bytes on connection, streams on connection.  That would let us consolidate some of the duplicated language.
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  * Add LIMIT_UPDATE and replaces concurrent stream limit

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (126)

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<p>Fixes <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/419" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/419" data-id="217732453" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#419</a>.  I largely copied the WINDOW_UPDATE language.  It might actually be cleaner to recast this as a third level of flow control:  Bytes on streams, bytes on connection, streams on connection.  That would let us consolidate some of the duplicated language.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/stream_limit
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marten-seemann commented on this pull request.



> @@ -2405,6 +2433,20 @@ A receiver MAY use an autotuning mechanism to tune the size of the offset
 increment to advertise based on a roundtrip time estimate and the rate at which
 the receiving application consumes data, similar to common TCP implementations.
 
+### Stream Limit Increment
+
+As with flow control, this document leaves when and how many streams to make
+available to a peer via LIMIT_UPDATE to the implementation, but offers a few
+considerations. LIMIT_UPDATE frames constitute overhead, and therefore, sending
+a LIMIT_UPDATE with small offset increments is undesirable.  At the same time,

The only case where this is a noticeable overhead is when each stream is only used to transfer a small number of bytes, e.g. in the often cited case of video streaming where every frame consumes a stream. For HTTP (and probably all other use cases) sending the 5 bytes consumed by the LIMIT_UPDATE frame will be negligible.

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<p><b>@marten-seemann</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/421#discussion_r108725722">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2405,6 +2433,20 @@ A receiver MAY use an autotuning mechanism to tune the size of the offset
 increment to advertise based on a roundtrip time estimate and the rate at which
 the receiving application consumes data, similar to common TCP implementations.
 
+### Stream Limit Increment
+
+As with flow control, this document leaves when and how many streams to make
+available to a peer via LIMIT_UPDATE to the implementation, but offers a few
+considerations. LIMIT_UPDATE frames constitute overhead, and therefore, sending
+a LIMIT_UPDATE with small offset increments is undesirable.  At the same time,
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<p>The only case where this is a noticeable overhead is when each stream is only used to transfer a small number of bytes, e.g. in the often cited case of video streaming where every frame consumes a stream. For HTTP (and probably all other use cases) sending the 5 bytes consumed by the LIMIT_UPDATE frame will be negligible.</p>

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> @@ -2405,6 +2433,20 @@ A receiver MAY use an autotuning mechanism to tune the size of the offset
 increment to advertise based on a roundtrip time estimate and the rate at which
 the receiving application consumes data, similar to common TCP implementations.
 
+### Stream Limit Increment
+
+As with flow control, this document leaves when and how many streams to make
+available to a peer via LIMIT_UPDATE to the implementation, but offers a few
+considerations. LIMIT_UPDATE frames constitute overhead, and therefore, sending
+a LIMIT_UPDATE with small offset increments is undesirable.  At the same time,
+withholding LIMIT_UPDATES prevents the peer from fully utilizing the transport.
+Implementations must find the correct tradeoff between these sides to determine
+how large an offset increment to send in a WINDOW_UPDATE.
+
+A receiver MAY adjust the number of permitted streams not in the "closed" state
+based on current activity, system conditions, and other environmental factors.

Better: the maximum StreamID.

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<p><b>@marten-seemann</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/421#discussion_r108726053">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2405,6 +2433,20 @@ A receiver MAY use an autotuning mechanism to tune the size of the offset
 increment to advertise based on a roundtrip time estimate and the rate at which
 the receiving application consumes data, similar to common TCP implementations.
 
+### Stream Limit Increment
+
+As with flow control, this document leaves when and how many streams to make
+available to a peer via LIMIT_UPDATE to the implementation, but offers a few
+considerations. LIMIT_UPDATE frames constitute overhead, and therefore, sending
+a LIMIT_UPDATE with small offset increments is undesirable.  At the same time,
+withholding LIMIT_UPDATES prevents the peer from fully utilizing the transport.
+Implementations must find the correct tradeoff between these sides to determine
+how large an offset increment to send in a WINDOW_UPDATE.
+
+A receiver MAY adjust the number of permitted streams not in the &quot;closed&quot; state
+based on current activity, system conditions, and other environmental factors.
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<p>Better: the maximum StreamID.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/stream_limit
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I'm in favor of the space, but we should at least be consistent.

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> I'm in favor of the space, but we should at least be consistent.
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Currently the QUIC spec does not discuss sending multiple ack frames in one packet, and the way it's structured implies largest acked must always increase.  There are plans to use a new initial packet number and a new connection ID when migrating, making multiple ack frames valuable, if not strictly necessary, since otherwise you won't be able to continue acking pre-migration packets.

Additionally, this could allow the ack frame to be simpler by making all ack block lengths 1 byte long, instead of the current 1/2/4/6.

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<p>Currently the QUIC spec does not discuss sending multiple ack frames in one packet, and the way it's structured implies largest acked must always increase.  There are plans to use a new initial packet number and a new connection ID when migrating, making multiple ack frames valuable, if not strictly necessary, since otherwise you won't be able to continue acking pre-migration packets.</p>
<p>Additionally, this could allow the ack frame to be simpler by making all ack block lengths 1 byte long, instead of the current 1/2/4/6.</p>

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> @@ -561,7 +560,16 @@ Pseudocode for DetectLostPackets follows:
 ~~~
 
 ## Discussion
-TODO: Discuss why constants are chosen as they are.
+The majority of constants were derived from best common practices among widely
+deployed TCP implementations on the internet.  Exceptions follow.
+
+A shorter delayed ack time of 25ms was chosen because longer delayed acks can
+delay loss recovery and for the small number of connections where less than
+packet per 25ms is delievered, acking every packet is beneficial to congestion
+control and loss recovery.
+
+The default initial RTT of 100ms was chosen because it's slightl higher than

nit: "it's  slightl" --> "it is slightly"

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<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/420#discussion_r108808139">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -561,7 +560,16 @@ Pseudocode for DetectLostPackets follows:
 ~~~
 
 ## Discussion
-TODO: Discuss why constants are chosen as they are.
+The majority of constants were derived from best common practices among widely
+deployed TCP implementations on the internet.  Exceptions follow.
+
+A shorter delayed ack time of 25ms was chosen because longer delayed acks can
+delay loss recovery and for the small number of connections where less than
+packet per 25ms is delievered, acking every packet is beneficial to congestion
+control and loss recovery.
+
+The default initial RTT of 100ms was chosen because it&#39;s slightl higher than
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<p>nit: "it's  slightl" --&gt; "it is slightly"</p>

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bdb9c0e  Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md


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or "stream identifier"

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<p>or "stream identifier"</p>

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The draft currently requires clients to reset initial streams beyond the value declared by the server.
> Similarly, a client might exceed the initial stream limit declared by the server.  A client MUST reset any streams that exceed this limit.

This can be problematic for applications where stream IDs are meaningful, since the client will never be able to reopen a previously-reset stream ID. It is also wasteful of bandwidth, in case the server is willing to accept the extra data.

Also, the paragraph in its entirety is either unclear or self-contradictory:
>A client MUST reset any streams that exceed this limit. A server SHOULD reset any streams it cannot handle [...]

If the client MUST reset extra streams, whether server can or cannot handle the extra streams becomes irrelevant -- they are being reset!

Instead, we should require that the client stops sending any additional STREAM frames for the extra streams (even retransmissions) until the server indicates that it is ready for those streams via LIMIT_UPDATE (#419).  The server should be free to reset what it cannot handle (but for an application with meaningful stream IDs this would render the connection useless).

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<p>The draft currently requires clients to reset initial streams beyond the value declared by the server.</p>
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<p>Similarly, a client might exceed the initial stream limit declared by the server.  A client MUST reset any streams that exceed this limit.</p>
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<p>This can be problematic for applications where stream IDs are meaningful, since the client will never be able to reopen a previously-reset stream ID. It is also wasteful of bandwidth, in case the server is willing to accept the extra data.</p>
<p>Also, the paragraph in its entirety is either unclear or self-contradictory:</p>
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<p>A client MUST reset any streams that exceed this limit. A server SHOULD reset any streams it cannot handle [...]</p>
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<p>If the client MUST reset extra streams, whether server can or cannot handle the extra streams becomes irrelevant -- they are being reset!</p>
<p>Instead, we should require that the client stops sending any additional STREAM frames for the extra streams (even retransmissions) until the server indicates that it is ready for those streams via LIMIT_UPDATE (<a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/419" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/419" data-id="217732453" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#419</a>).  The server should be free to reset what it cannot handle (but for an application with meaningful stream IDs this would render the connection useless).</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials
  Commit: 64fb808e89bda97a0c0d0b0e6f42bb3dceb095c6
      https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/commit/64fb808e89bda97a0c0d0b0e6f42bb3dceb095c6
  Author: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
  Date:   2017-03-30 (Thu, 30 Mar 2017)

  Changed paths:
    M ietf98/transport.pdf

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[I am raising this for @csperkins; text below is from him.]

If I understand correctly, the first octet of the new QUIC header is eith=
er:
```
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 |1|   Type (7)  |  Long header packet
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
```
or
```
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 |0|C|K| Type (5)|  Short header packet
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
```
Given the assigned types, this gives number values for the first octet in=
 the ranges 0-3, 32-35, 64-67, 96-99, or 128-136.

RFC 7983 talks about how to demultiplex protocols running on a single UDP=
 port, based on the values of the first octet. The important part is the =
new text table in Section 7, which demultiplexes based on the value of th=
e first octet of the packet as follows:
```
                   +----------------+
                   |        [0..3] -+--> forward to STUN
                   |                |
                   |      [16..19] -+--> forward to ZRTP
                   |                |
       packet -->  |      [20..63] -+--> forward to DTLS
                   |                |
                   |      [64..79] -+--> forward to TURN Channel
                   |                |
                   |    [128..191] -+--> forward to RTP/RTCP
                   +----------------+
```
The QUIC headers don=E2=80=99t fit cleanly into this. The result is that =
it=E2=80=99s not possible to run demultiplex QUIC and WebRTC running on t=
he same UDP port, since WebRTC uses STUN, DTLS, TURN and RTP/RTCP. Demult=
iplexing these is probably desirable, since it would let you switch from =
web traffic to interactive WebRTC or very low latency streaming without d=
e-doing the NAT bindings on a port.

The simplest fix to allow the protocols to be demultiplexed is to set the=
 top two bits of the first octet of a QUIC packet to 1 and reduce the siz=
e of the type fields:
```
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 |1|1|1|Type (5) |  Long header packet
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 |1|1|0|C|K|Type3|  Short header packet
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
```
There are probably other options that keep a larger type field, if we acc=
ept a less obvious bit packing, although even these likely lose one bit f=
rom the type field.


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<p>[I am raising this for <a href=3D"https://github.com/csperkins" class=3D=
"user-mention">@csperkins</a>; text below is from him.]</p>
<p>If I understand correctly, the first octet of the new QUIC header is e=
ither:</p>
<pre><code> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 |1|   Type (7)  |  Long header packet
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
</code></pre>
<p>or</p>
<pre><code> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 |0|C|K| Type (5)|  Short header packet
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
</code></pre>
<p>Given the assigned types, this gives number values for the first octet=
 in the ranges 0-3, 32-35, 64-67, 96-99, or 128-136.</p>
<p>RFC 7983 talks about how to demultiplex protocols running on a single =
UDP port, based on the values of the first octet. The important part is t=
he new text table in Section 7, which demultiplexes based on the value of=
 the first octet of the packet as follows:</p>
<pre><code>                   +----------------+
                   |        [0..3] -+--&gt; forward to STUN
                   |                |
                   |      [16..19] -+--&gt; forward to ZRTP
                   |                |
       packet --&gt;  |      [20..63] -+--&gt; forward to DTLS
                   |                |
                   |      [64..79] -+--&gt; forward to TURN Channel
                   |                |
                   |    [128..191] -+--&gt; forward to RTP/RTCP
                   +----------------+
</code></pre>
<p>The QUIC headers don=E2=80=99t fit cleanly into this. The result is th=
at it=E2=80=99s not possible to run demultiplex QUIC and WebRTC running o=
n the same UDP port, since WebRTC uses STUN, DTLS, TURN and RTP/RTCP. Dem=
ultiplexing these is probably desirable, since it would let you switch fr=
om web traffic to interactive WebRTC or very low latency streaming withou=
t de-doing the NAT bindings on a port.</p>
<p>The simplest fix to allow the protocols to be demultiplexed is to set =
the top two bits of the first octet of a QUIC packet to 1 and reduce the =
size of the type fields:</p>
<pre><code> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 |1|1|1|Type (5) |  Long header packet
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 |1|1|0|C|K|Type3|  Short header packet
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
</code></pre>
<p>There are probably other options that keep a larger type field, if we =
accept a less obvious bit packing, although even these likely lose one bi=
t from the type field.</p>

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I don't think that we need to multiplex QUIC with realtime media.  (If we multiplexed every conceivable protocol, we'd run out of bits.)

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<p>I don't think that we need to multiplex QUIC with realtime media.  (If we multiplexed every conceivable protocol, we'd run out of bits.)</p>

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I tend to think the ability to do very low latency streaming on a UDP port you know works through NAT could be appealing.

Or, at least, shouldn't be accidentally prohibited...

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<p>I tend to think the ability to do very low latency streaming on a UDP port you know works through NAT could be appealing.</p>
<p>Or, at least, shouldn't be accidentally prohibited...</p>

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When a client experiences a "privacy preserving(or theatening) event", it may want to change connection id and start with a non-linkable packet number.

I suggest we add a frame to allow the server to supply new connection IDs, and include an indication that the server requests the client change it's connection ID immediately.

The document must also specify how the IV for the new connection ID should be constructed, in order to ensure the IV is not re-used and both peers agree on the IV.

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<p>When a client experiences a "privacy preserving(or theatening) event", it may want to change connection id and start with a non-linkable packet number.</p>
<p>I suggest we add a frame to allow the server to supply new connection IDs, and include an indication that the server requests the client change it's connection ID immediately.</p>
<p>The document must also specify how the IV for the new connection ID should be constructed, in order to ensure the IV is not re-used and both peers agree on the IV.</p>

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As pointed out by Subodh Iyengar, the server-proposed connection ID needs to be switched to before any server state is needed in order to enable stateless load balancing.

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<p>As pointed out by Subodh Iyengar, the server-proposed connection ID needs to be switched to before any server state is needed in order to enable stateless load balancing.</p>

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I thought that packet number was always the IV. Since two different
messages must not be encrypted with the same key/IV, this means that the
same packet number must not be used for different messages. As such, I
assumed that the new packet number would need to be larger than the
previously used packet number. Are you thinking we'd use different keys f=
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the new connection ID?

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> When a client experiences a "privacy preserving(or theatening) event", =
it
> may want to change connection id and start with a non-linkable packet
> number.
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> I suggest we add a frame to allow the server to supply new connection I=
Ds,
> and include an indication that the server requests the client change it=
's
> connection ID immediately.
>
> The document must also specify how the IV for the new connection ID sho=
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<p>dup of <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/232" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/232" data-id="203035987" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#232</a> ?</p>

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To summarize the only important missing point on #427, we currently have no way to specify a >4 byte packet number, and it seems reasonable we may want to skip to a packet number space quite a ways away to avoid linkability.

I suggest we specify the most significant 4(?) bytes of the packet number in this connection ID frame, because the alternative of using 8 byte packet numbers may increase linkability when migration occurs, since the obvious approach is to increase the packet number by a substantial amount.

Or we can add an 8 byte packet number if my concerns about linkability are unfounded, as it'd be a bit simpler.

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I believe this issue also requires #423 

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<p>I believe this issue also requires <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/423" class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/423" data-id="218032329" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-permission-text="Issue title is private">#423</a></p>

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I'm not buying this either. Why would you want separate origins?

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials
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  Changed paths:
    A ietf98/QUIC integrity.pdf

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If you are running a CDN then these aren't origins, they are delivery nodes. Potentially having some delivery nodes which don't support legacy HTTPS, or nodes which haven't yet been upgraded to support QUIC are both realistic circumstances.

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To be a little more general: we should decide whether we want to allow QUIC flows to be easily multiplexed along with some other UDP-based protocols on a single port. 

Multiplexing with the full WebRTC stack is one example of this, but is not the only use case. For example, if we want to enable peer-to-peer QUIC in future, then we should consider defining the packet formats to be easily distinguishable from STUN and/or TURN to help NAT traversal.

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Origin is defined to be the (scheme,host,port) of a URL. So if "httpq" is a
different scheme than "https", it's a different origin, by definition. If
we're merely talking about serving the same URL (https://) via both QUIC
and TLS, then we're not talking about a different scheme, merely an
alternative service (handled via the "hq" alpn token in an Alternative
Service advertisement.)

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+1 to ryan's comment - minting new schemes creates un-necessary pressure on
same-origin policies and create operational complexity.

that being said, I know Mike doesn't think this is a web scheme... but the
conversation seems to indicate it would invariably leak into (at least) the
discussion.

I'm opposed to a new scheme

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> Origin is defined to be the (scheme,host,port) of a URL. So if "httpq" is=
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> different scheme than "https", it's a different origin, by definition. If
> we're merely talking about serving the same URL (https://) via both QUIC
> and TLS, then we're not talking about a different scheme, merely an
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@ianswett, I always planned to add a packet number gap with each connection ID.  The client then skips that number of packet numbers when changing the connection ID.  The server can easily remember the delta that it bound to each connection ID.

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@martinthomson  In order to deal with packet loss, I believe it needs to specify where the connection ID's packet number space begins(ie: what it's 0 value is) in real packet number space, not just the size of the gap.

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@martinthomson clever! I like that idea.

@ianswett I think it would be quite similar to how the server deals with packet loss today. On connection id X, when a packet is received, the server compares the (truncated) on the wire packet number to the largest received packet number and uses that to determine the full packet number. 

In the case where the connection id is now Y, it compares the (truncated) on the wire packet number to the packet_gap(Y) + largest received packet number and uses that to determine the full packet number.

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<p>Does that sound plausible?</p>

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@RyanAtGoogle has it precisely correct.  (In practice, this would in fact allow for a smaller gap than the agreed one to be used, but that's probably slightly nutty.)

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So to clarify the algorithm, the receiver would prime the "expected next packet number" to be the last received packet + the specified gap?

I believe the size of the gap is related to the size of the packet number.  ie:  If you're using 4 byte packet numbers, you need the gap to be as much as 4 billion?

If the new connection ID is used to transmit over multiple paths at once, this could get a a bit messy because there's a risk the packet number spaces get relatively close?  What if two migrations occur close together in time and/or the first migration fails?  If the first migration fails, I think the connection must immediately close with the gap based approach?

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<p>So to clarify the algorithm, the receiver would prime the "expected next=
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Actually, the size of the gap is determined by the amount of entropy you want to add.  Obviously, <4 billion will lead to having some bits remaining the same, so I would recommend a number that is close to or larger than that size.

If you have to migrate twice, then you could go back to the baseline.  You could even use largest_acked on the sender as well as the receiver for the baseline.

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@ianswett, I like the idea that this could be made simpler.  I had thought of sending multiple frames, but not the fact that it could be a way to make ACK frames smaller and less complicated.

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>From today's WG meeting: Martin concluded that he better understand that part of the issue is that Silent Close exists at all. 

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Ok, now I understand exactly what you're saying, and it was originally what I had in mind, and I'm concerned about two potential issues:
1) You can't safely increase the packet number by more than ~2^31 today, because we only have 4 byte packet numbers on the wire.  Ideally you'd like the packet number gap introduced to be totally random within the full packet number range?  Or possibly we're ok with a single bit of correlation?
2) If you tried to migrate a second time before receiving an acknowledgement for the first time.  I guess that ends up being a sub-case of 1, where the amount you can further increase the packet number becomes limited because the peer hasn't acked the first migration.  Going back to the baseline is dangerous because you don't know if any packets on the intermediate path were received, and it would take some carefulness to avoid re-using packet numbers.

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<p>Ok, now I understand exactly what you're saying, and it was originally w=
hat I had in mind, and I'm concerned about two potential issues:</p>
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<li>You can't safely increase the packet number by more than ~2^31 today, b=
ecause we only have 4 byte packet numbers on the wire.  Ideally you'd like =
the packet number gap introduced to be totally random within the full packe=
t number range?  Or possibly we're ok with a single bit of correlation?</li>
<li>If you tried to migrate a second time before receiving an acknowledgeme=
nt for the first time.  I guess that ends up being a sub-case of 1, where t=
he amount you can further increase the packet number becomes limited becaus=
e the peer hasn't acked the first migration.  Going back to the baseline is=
 dangerous because you don't know if any packets on the intermediate path w=
ere received, and it would take some carefulness to avoid re-using packet n=
umbers.</li>
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@ianswett,

On 1, a larger gap is possible if you are also changing the connection ID and you require that the connection ID change and gap be concurrent.

On 2, you are right, double migration is nasty.  You certainly can't send two packets with the same number.  Do you have any ideas on how we could avoid that?

BTW, ekr's design for connection ID obfuscation wouldn't suffer from this.

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<p>On 1, a larger gap is possible if you are also changing the connection=
 ID and you require that the connection ID change and gap be concurrent.<=
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My solution to both was to send a connection ID paired with the starting packet number that Connection ID indexes to, but there may be better solutions.

If the packet number is encrypted, there are still potential problems we need to properly specify, but they aren't privacy problems.  

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The problem with that is that you have to use the connection ID once you hit that packet number or burn that connection ID once you get too close (for some definition of close).

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<p>The problem with that is that you have to use the connection ID once you hit that packet number or burn that connection ID once you get too close (for some definition of close).</p>

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What about extending the HTTP URI syntax in a way to give connection hints?
For example (very likely not the right syntax):

      https://www.example.com#svc=hq.443/

Where in the above example, the Origin (and thus host header and SNI) would come from the part before the "#".  On failure to connect, a TCP connect (ie without the hint) could also be used.  Cache entries would not include the part following the # as part of the cache key.

This is a variant of option 2, but with the difference that the Origin and object cache keys aren't impacted.  This is only appropriate for secured connections (eg, TLS / HTTPS).

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<p>What about extending the HTTP URI syntax in a way to give connection h=
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For example (very likely not the right syntax):</p>
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We can't reasonably change the semantics of any of the fields of the URI: we have to assume that any valid field is in use and that an invalid field would trigger rejection.

(e.g., your example syntax would turn into `https://www.example.com` when passed to a client that didn't understand this.  Or, from another angle, that syntax is already a valid HTTPS URI with clear semantics.)

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<p>We can't reasonably change the semantics of any of the fields of the U=
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ianswett commented on this pull request.

High level question: Is there any way we could easily fold this into the WINDOW_UPDATE frame?

I'm blanking on ideas at the moment, but it would be nice.



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<p>High level question: Is there any way we could easily fold this into the WINDOW_UPDATE frame?</p>
<p>I'm blanking on ideas at the moment, but it would be nice.</p>

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While discussing QUIC with some network vendors, a concern was brought up that technically, port UDP port 443 is already assigned. From

https://www.iana.org/assignments/service-names-port-numbers/service-names-port-numbers.xhtml?&page=8

```
https	443	tcp	http protocol over TLS/SSL	[Kipp_E_B_Hickman]	[Kipp_E_B_Hickman]						
https	443	udp	http protocol over TLS/SSL	[Kipp_E_B_Hickman]	[Kipp_E_B_Hickman]		
```

Yes, seems silly and nit picky, but I'm wondering if it'd make sense to try to get 443:UDP assigned to HQ ? The vendor concern is that adding support for special handling of UDP packets on port 443 would have to be absolutely guaranteed to be QUIC. At least that's what I've been told.

The other option would be to add an identifier to every QUIC packet, such that they can uniquely identify it as such.



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<p>While discussing QUIC with some network vendors, a concern was brought up that technically, port UDP port 443 is already assigned. From</p>
<p><a href="https://www.iana.org/assignments/service-names-port-numbers/service-names-port-numbers.xhtml?&amp;page=8">https://www.iana.org/assignments/service-names-port-numbers/service-names-port-numbers.xhtml?&amp;page=8</a></p>
<pre><code>https	443	tcp	http protocol over TLS/SSL	[Kipp_E_B_Hickman]	[Kipp_E_B_Hickman]						
https	443	udp	http protocol over TLS/SSL	[Kipp_E_B_Hickman]	[Kipp_E_B_Hickman]		
</code></pre>
<p>Yes, seems silly and nit picky, but I'm wondering if it'd make sense to try to get 443:UDP assigned to HQ ? The vendor concern is that adding support for special handling of UDP packets on port 443 would have to be absolutely guaranteed to be QUIC. At least that's what I've been told.</p>
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IETF QUIC will be HTTP over TLS 1.3 on UDP 443, so I believe that would fit into the current IANA spec?

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<p>IETF QUIC will be HTTP over TLS 1.3 on UDP 443, so I believe that would fit into the current IANA spec?</p>

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I think the concern was (but I can check again) that we're sort of hijacking this :). I can't think of anyone or anything that would have used "HTTP over UDP" before, but technically I think they are right in that the port was reserved for that.

I think what might appease these guys is if the RFC explicitly specifies that from hereon, QUIC UDP:443 is "HTTPS over UDP" as registered years ago by the IANA. :)

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<p>I think the concern was (but I can check again) that we're sort of hij=
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<p>I think what might appease these guys is if the RFC explicitly specifi=
es that from hereon, QUIC UDP:443 is "HTTPS over UDP" as registered years=
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