From nobody Sat Apr 1 05:00:43 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1422C12960B for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2017 05:00:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.617 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.617 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X8FIGn1j2S3M for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2017 05:00:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE76A1295EE for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2017 05:00:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=Llbri7Iv4XLVCBmulVmDYvSluZs=; b=piJH3HF0PFg1h2b1 o1dpymQSfpZ6wZek+vQOCdZHUq5c8eUO2Ka0+b2VHbvxewYz9DFCwHzqda4tPNAf 5KzzWvvpEKsLX8MmBZFk6S9I0XjCUMj4YkT9EJO8rYGTXGF63Txcnhf/dVYxW5Dj ZDdfpZ6UnkT9I+0yOi50UhA0Q2U= Received: by filter0123p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0123p1las1-3536-58DF9656-A0 2017-04-01 12:00:22.923923883 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id mOLQX-tuQYyA2OsjZONFjQ for ; Sat, 01 Apr 2017 12:00:23.137 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2017 05:00:23 -0700 From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Specify when multiple ack frames must be used (#423) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58df9657ca02_2f023f9f89bb9c3064177"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0WzZD2bJXSOCO538PzHIB36H3piVYedH7pW3 ixGwymzwQL11ZmZDPmGYeJXMYEuDcxe0irRoALWM2KBaO7pqSic6AdO71qj8I2LLWoj9mKMnlEqBfD 8jfa1kdj4OihV87nl19RF2+DHxNOo90rR3YsP7GMyH1eB1YkYsbq1ycrcHfZ5pmdUuz+e2lM1NXAIp E= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2017 12:00:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58df9657ca02_2f023f9f89bb9c3064177 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What about the case where you have a long fat pipe and more acks to send than fits within an ack frame, or even a single MTU? Do you always only send the earliest acks? And when do you decide to no longer send these and progress with larger acks. You might not receive ack acks because both ends stick to old ranges. The now defunct STOP_WAITING set a clear lower bound that appear to be less obvious now. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/423#issuecomment-290915720 ----==_mimepart_58df9657ca02_2f023f9f89bb9c3064177 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What about the case where you have a long fat pipe and more acks to send= than fits within an ack frame, or even a single MTU? Do you always only se= nd the earliest acks? And when do you decide to no longer send these and pr= ogress with larger acks. You might not receive ack acks because both ends s= tick to old ranges. The now defunct STOP_WAITING set a clear lower bound th= at appear to be less obvious now.

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= ----==_mimepart_58df9657ca02_2f023f9f89bb9c3064177-- From nobody Sat Apr 1 05:54:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 036C51242F5 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2017 05:54:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.393 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.393 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.796, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32tsJkH1cLnp for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2017 05:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC0E81200C5 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2017 05:54:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=JdQz/sxdEJo/LUz9moPEWMw8jbM=; b=keDEzgTRX2O4Tie8 w9VQwOl2SNiFEV+DrLmZDXMleABr2r+k2e1fMCh26EuSRnKJA0HYGAirCnp9VFdF NCAtSgq7E+fAFkHqExdb2ypULicTM52ARQv6TyKTu0QVZk/SiqTxGAWpHJDIqgXH ttMV2MJWsx4IHSmZyJIWAf9XeCA= Received: by filter0997p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0997p1mdw1-23523-58DFA2FD-D 2017-04-01 12:54:21.209054254 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id Nnau0fGrTEyR6Wx0EHF2iw for ; Sat, 01 Apr 2017 12:54:21.180 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2017 05:54:21 -0700 From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Packet number skipping and entropy (#305) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58dfa2fd15745_5d663fa99c19dc3433015"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak01PWm0Br/gKJDegNfKmtnCaq0ShUlTiofGCS yyMJzgbbpp+bIw9lV8bOXuxgJCZ+S8wikd6SmzE/IEJ4tM2GE3xeX0daryMB2e31bPQtMl9gDVnybx o4dxGImKiBwoVs7BCtoCHKvfxPJw/cd6hMAShINsbIKc89B6zTFTtIy/OG60NlRWWQ/YWk8ZPVN+qf E= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2017 12:54:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58dfa2fd15745_5d663fa99c19dc3433015 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there any good reason to allow large gaps in packet sequences? The optimistic ACK attack could be handled by other means that will not complicate received packet handling. If the maximum packets in flight is limited in range, it is simpler to implement filtering of duplicate packets without DoS concerns, for example using a sliding bitmap. It also simplifies resource allocation for ack management and timestamps. There can be gaps from lost packets, but these count against packets in flight. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/305#issuecomment-290918405 ----==_mimepart_58dfa2fd15745_5d663fa99c19dc3433015 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Is there any good reason to allow large gaps in packet sequences? The op= timistic ACK attack could be handled by other means that will not complicat= e received packet handling. If the maximum packets in flight is limited in = range, it is simpler to implement filtering of duplicate packets without Do= S concerns, for example using a sliding bitmap. It also simplifies resource= allocation for ack management and timestamps. There can be gaps from lost = packets, but these count against packets in flight.

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= ----==_mimepart_58dfa2fd15745_5d663fa99c19dc3433015-- From nobody Sat Apr 1 21:25:25 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 614C2127201 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2017 21:25:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.795 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.795 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.796, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Px5fzaZkOrSb for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2017 21:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCECF127058 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2017 21:25:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=gRW7sstHx3GS9P6ASeNEa6JHrtc=; b=LJBAenNP3IdNID/M S6cw16pmW38BtCfZb04s4MrzHjMOdnnLllKZpuxCkMLhqwMVWBi85B9I83E8iGNa oZyvrzoaXUrk/03otVVyiW2XNKYUgOknklPlrOCbRWsq2PyuHX4BGqE5EB4YD3eY 4UWgla94s4Y/VzXIKbgdr9sgm/g= Received: by filter1092p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1092p1mdw1-17185-58E07D30-1B 2017-04-02 04:25:20.764036182 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id uXq9hXZ-Tg-PQC35WP6IHg for ; Sun, 02 Apr 2017 04:25:20.686 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2017 21:25:20 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Port 443 and IANA ports (#428) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58e07d309242f_198c3ffdd33bfc345788b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3vcUi0cnJp58YszSQHH+VG5J8Pm7csHSM/ER 6+Ykl99vubrwOguqEU/ntSveUOmhoBUSmPc3CUdtCa0dViWf4rFi3/eJHS0g+5pfrRA3LBY5cGX1l1 UcbzAerii2ZbjGfGw2USGwVsXOSBumz0dJtqK37Iy5lx8uRJQLFAgdGoM0fm8QqA4+WfX5D63ZCP/J w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2017 04:25:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58e07d309242f_198c3ffdd33bfc345788b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As @ianswett said, QUIC's use of 443/UDP is inline with the current registration. And we're not hijacking this. Just because [Kipp E.B. Hickman](http://home.mcom.com/people/kipp/) is the assignee here does not mean nobody else can use the port for the given protocol. (443/TCP is also assigned to him, and nobody is worried that H2 over TCP has a problem.) If we *wanted* to, we could see if he is still around and willing to return the ports to be assigned to the IESG. I suspect it is an individual assignment (and not one to the IESG), because the assignment likely predates the first RFC on SSL way back when. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/428#issuecomment-290963905 ----==_mimepart_58e07d309242f_198c3ffdd33bfc345788b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As @iansw= ett said, QUIC's use of 443/UDP is inline with the current registration= . And we're not hijacking this. Just because Kipp E.B. Hickman is the assignee here does not mean no= body else can use the port for the given protocol. (443/TCP is also assigne= d to him, and nobody is worried that H2 over TCP has a problem.)

If we wanted to, we could see if he is still around and willing= to return the ports to be assigned to the IESG. I suspect it is an individ= ual assignment (and not one to the IESG), because the assignment likely pre= dates the first RFC on SSL way back when.

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Related: If we ignore timestamp section of ack frames, the ACK Delay f= ield requires a timestamp stored for every packet, or at least makes it d= ifficult to handle without it. This is because we might not be able to se= nt up to largest received packet. I propose allowing the ACK Delay field = to be 1) absent, or 2) set to zero, or 3) or set to 0xffff when delay inf= ormation is not readily available. The value ACK Delay in this case is li= mited anyway. It could be required that ACK frames SHOULD provide ack del= ay when the largest acked is also the largest received.

As to the ignored timestamp section, this section can selectively drop= some timestamps and only delilver a representative subset. Further, it w= ill be drained quickly while Ack frames must repeat over packet ranges an= d retain more information. Therefore the timestamp section is not a good = source of information for ACK Delay.

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Also fixes #414

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----==_mimepart_58e0eecdb573d_f023fc674f19c38128218-- From nobody Sun Apr 2 06:59:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 733DA129438 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2017 06:59:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.795 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.795 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.796, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LjwUKs5mI1p0 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2017 06:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext4.iad.github.net [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ACE82129435 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2017 06:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2017 06:59:19 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1491141559; bh=8Bt3RrHIN44j94ddH6h04/C31mD+7GGQTgKu1KoyApY=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=cMXnutO+thJhNuljA9mWt4BUB0hq2p0A3hAryuRjS1aIiCg+hK/jHbXyeWZTA4toE lTpZAZyORGmL4n7yMiXR1eCuJ4ok1oO6Qn8gmR+KxgPurJngP1t+6fbgU35+GLolIF ae5DUMjnZeHG1PTuDL8++qX3xYhmQOvm5aEQfSEs= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Specify when multiple ack frames must be used (#423) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58e103b7d8526_23863fa8ddd2bc3c1029a1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2017 13:59:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58e103b7d8526_23863fa8ddd2bc3c1029a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree that if we want to be able to ack an entire flight(ie: up to 2^32) packets, we can't move to a single byte format. Which makes me question the idea of simplifying the ack frame to only have 1 byte ranges. STOP_WAITING doesn't help us in that case, because we wouldn't expect to receive a STOP_WAITING for a packet until at least an RTT later, and I believe the concern is having more packets in flight than fit into an ack frame? Re: "This is because we might not be able to send up to the largest received packet"(in the ack). The ack delay is always relative to the time the largest acked was received, so only one timestamp per ack frame is necessary. Second, it's intended newer packets are always acked instead of continuing to ack older packets which have already been sent in many acks. GQUIC used to stop acking new packets when it wasn't sure if acks had been received, and it caused many more problems than it solved, which makes sense given packets are typically acked many times before they can no longer be acked. I can create a PR to clarify that. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/423#issuecomment-290988108 ----==_mimepart_58e103b7d8526_23863fa8ddd2bc3c1029a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I agree that if we want to be able to ack an entire flight(ie: up to 2= ^32) packets, we can't move to a single byte format. Which makes me ques= tion the idea of simplifying the ack frame to only have 1 byte ranges.

STOP_WAITING doesn't help us in that case, because we wouldn't expect = to receive a STOP_WAITING for a packet until at least an RTT later, and I= believe the concern is having more packets in flight than fit into an ac= k frame?

Re: "This is because we might not be able to send up to the largest re= ceived packet"(in the ack). The ack delay is always relative to the time= the largest acked was received, so only one timestamp per ack frame is n= ecessary. Second, it's intended newer packets are always acked instead o= f continuing to ack older packets which have already been sent in many ac= ks. GQUIC used to stop acking new packets when it wasn't sure if acks ha= d been received, and it caused many more problems than it solved, which m= akes sense given packets are typically acked many times before they can n= o longer be acked. I can create a PR to clarify that.

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Sun, 02 Apr 2017 14:10:52 -0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2017 07:10:51 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: ianswett To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <58e1066b59cee_14513fc74e145c30553f0@hookshot-fe2-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 97c99d: Fix spelling of acknowledge Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_58e1066b5996d_14513fc74e145c3055210"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2017 14:10:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58e1066b5996d_14513fc74e145c3055210 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 97c99d15f2deae59a77c852989ed516d303b46ca https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/97c99d15f2deae59a77c852989ed516d303b46ca Author: ianswett Date: 2017-04-02 (Sun, 02 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix spelling of acknowledge ----==_mimepart_58e1066b5996d_14513fc74e145c3055210-- From nobody Sun Apr 2 07:11:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B55B129442 for ; 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a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=KMTTtDqjsjo7x12AB5aWCX0a8lI=; b=wa+ue4bEj5WD5Ct5 hRQNP24KZPYUKwl/8c7V9cHw9zBbBflSeqI6lWj57/pZSfRjIgxLGu6EeQHQIii3 CmtlHhoYhySw3B18b+igjYSLOu/H+NR7NOoZDYzcXkBMyFyoMLC6Q06MYp+aNYai w2U/MHQUd1w3Rxo+p9F2hKkwngU= Received: by filter0954p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0954p1mdw1-13841-58E1069C-A8 2017-04-02 14:11:40.998944142 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id BrSKAz4ARYaaqFMXqwKTMQ for ; Sun, 02 Apr 2017 14:11:40.902 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2017 07:11:40 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Specify when multiple ack frames must be used (#423) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 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I added the sentence "When this is necessary, the receiver SHOULD acknowledge newly received packets and stop acknowledging packets received in the past." If you have any other suggestions, tell me or send me a PR. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/423#issuecomment-290988850 ----==_mimepart_58e1069cc5516_7a443fa8ddd2bc3c1266dd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I accidentally hit the immediate submit button instead of creating a rev= iewable PR. I added the sentence "When this is necessary, the receiver SHO= ULD acknowledge newly received packets and stop acknowledging packets recei= ved in the past."

If you have any other suggestions, tell me or send me a PR.

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Allowing acks to be sent in multiple frames - likely in multiple packets - would deal with this problem except that early retransmission would kick in prematurely if not handled carefully, and except for the ack delay issue mentioned. So if it works sending the latest, then fine, I'm just having an uneasy feeling about it. Sending just the oldest could risk lockup so that is not the answer either. 10Gbit/s link, 10Kbits/MTU, 100ms rtt: 10^9/10^4*0.1 = 10^6 packets in flight. >From what I could read of studies around, packet reordering tend to concentrate on latest transmitted burst, but up 30% of packets can easily be reordered even if not very much out of order. This means that frequent sending ACK's might miss some reordered packets, forcing these to be retransmitted even though they arrive shortly after. Due to reordering in WAN that ACK frame would fill up quickly despite large addressing space. Sending ACKS less frequent would reduce the gaps as reordered packets arrive, but increase the risk of having to never ack some packets. I'm not sure how GQUIC is being tested, but moving large volumes of data, e.g. syncing CDN caches over backbones could stress the system differently from HTTP/2 browsing. It is really hard to be sure without real-life testing or at least simulation. My intuition just tells this could be a problem. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/423#issuecomment-290995545 ----==_mimepart_58e1204d1948a_7c273f8be7e6fc3c65382 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't have the full overview, but I am concerned that there can be so = many packets in flight that you would have to send acks very frequently if = you always must include the largest received. Allowing acks to be sent in m= ultiple frames - likely in multiple packets - would deal with this problem = except that early retransmission would kick in prematurely if not handled c= arefully, and except for the ack delay issue mentioned. So if it works send= ing the latest, then fine, I'm just having an uneasy feeling about it. Send= ing just the oldest could risk lockup so that is not the answer either.

10Gbit/s link, 10Kbits/MTU, 100ms rtt: 10^9/10^4*0.1 =3D 10^6 packets in= flight.

From what I could read of studies around, packet reordering tend to conc= entrate on latest transmitted burst, but up 30% of packets can easily be re= ordered even if not very much out of order. This means that frequent sendin= g ACK's might miss some reordered packets, forcing these to be retransmitte= d even though they arrive shortly after. Due to reordering in WAN that ACK = frame would fill up quickly despite large addressing space. Sending ACKS le= ss frequent would reduce the gaps as reordered packets arrive, but increase= the risk of having to never ack some packets.

I'm not sure how GQUIC is being tested, but moving large volumes of data= , e.g. syncing CDN caches over backbones could stress the system differentl= y from HTTP/2 browsing.

It is really hard to be sure without real-life testing or at least simul= ation. My intuition just tells this could be a problem.

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= ----==_mimepart_58e1204d1948a_7c273f8be7e6fc3c65382-- From nobody Mon Apr 3 03:19:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1CCD126C83 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2017 03:19:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sEDnkKJvTOYt for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2017 03:19:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext7.iad.github.net [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ADDC2124B0A for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2017 03:19:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2017 03:19:47 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1491214787; bh=diG4FOk30b3yUUTgsaQ4YArvIPBHtq7Cpn52ihC3nEM=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=mPIOExCuzhYVG4waz0e0NJuRqgaLroY3jab0+RLryzex+/JdT3z7O/ps9FtClSmgr PtH/gHhbTSWGkeoBAANowJBrMLVBfcKyqtRCe7MiRYvN03LtEk3RVhYRHvW+tiPYBk xHuKU9KzFZ3SJXS1cDmcnf1wxGGGyVGdDWKUeGa8= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Specify when multiple ack frames must be used (#423) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58e221c399ecc_1b843f929adbfc38154995"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2017 10:19:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58e221c399ecc_1b843f929adbfc38154995 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If the stance is that STOP_WAITING is too late to be efficient, which sounds reasonable, what is the point of claiming that sender SHOULD not send alredy acked ack frames? Unless both endpoints transmit other data aggressively, the ackacks could be many RTTs in distance, and otherwise they would be spaced ca. 1.5 RTT. Resending already acked acks can reduce gaps (but also grow the length field size), except those at the tail. Tracking those ackacks is significant extra book keeping except for tail truncation and given the number of packets potentially in flight, I suggest removing tracking of ack acks and use a lower bound which could either be STOP_WAITING, or a much smaller ackack concept that only tracks the least unacknowledged (i.e. last gap) in each transmitted ack frame. This could be worded something like: SHOULD not sent acknowledgements of packets earlier than the least unacknowledged packet of any ack frame that has received an ack. Acknowledgments of other packets in acknowledged ACK frames MAY be retransmitted, especially when this can reduce gaps. (This does not consider additional ack frames not starting at largest received - semantics would then be unclear). On clarity of ack frame: it is not immediately obvious that ack frame blocks are stored in decreasing order, although with careful reading it can be deduced, especially when it is clear that largest_acknowledged is always the largest received. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/423#issuecomment-291103848 ----==_mimepart_58e221c399ecc_1b843f929adbfc38154995 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If the stance is that STOP_WAITING is too late to be efficient, which = sounds reasonable, what is the point of claiming that sender SHOULD not s= end alredy acked ack frames? Unless both endpoints transmit other data ag= gressively, the ackacks could be many RTTs in distance, and otherwise the= y would be spaced ca. 1.5 RTT. Resending already acked acks can reduce ga= ps (but also grow the length field size), except those at the tail.

Tracking those ackacks is significant extra book keeping except for ta= il truncation and given the number of packets potentially in flight, I su= ggest removing tracking of ack acks and use a lower bound which could eit= her be STOP_WAITING, or a much smaller ackack concept that only tracks th= e least unacknowledged (i.e. last gap) in each transmitted ack frame. Thi= s could be worded something like: SHOULD not sent acknowledgements of pac= kets earlier than the least unacknowledged packet of any ack frame that h= as received an ack. Acknowledgments of other packets in acknowledged ACK = frames MAY be retransmitted, especially when this can reduce gaps. (This = does not consider additional ack frames not starting at largest received = - semantics would then be unclear).

On clarity of ack frame: it is not immediately obvious that ack frame= blocks are stored in decreasing order, although with careful reading it = can be deduced, especially when it is clear that largest_acknowledged is = always the largest received.

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= ----==_mimepart_58e221c399ecc_1b843f929adbfc38154995-- From nobody Mon Apr 3 11:44:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE18E12962D for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2017 11:44:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.021 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.021 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nrAomZ0D5YNI for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2017 11:44:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F08D11294E7 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2017 11:44:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=ZUYGQ+doWS6OO0fHSSfiKEob+nk=; b=coVj482iyZtofWEY WrWYyxC/UAxlQhhxqBFmesEVscydnu1RLr9+iNo/DqUymmVp/70defG83CIlMo6f CNObZrXDgONUPMWYDQS6hj+O0szKH+KF9BqrdBjGfyk8XQjzQviSM53xGULirHxL kUFUrQ1k4fKgmLsu0a1nU59Wi3k= Received: by filter0997p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0997p1mdw1-23523-58E2981A-3A 2017-04-03 18:44:42.456582487 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id TkBB6EPbQduFbwoMWqCEVA for ; Mon, 03 Apr 2017 18:44:42.438 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2017 11:44:42 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Specify when multiple ack frames must be used (#423) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58e2981a4b698_7f7b3f973a79dc3453111"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3PszoFm4ZPTR+BKuT6HPOzSBvPTJCwwA9j/9 gu5mmPyCtVb2HOj1QbvC+S2SmQTvEd4TUh2OO49g+Z7Kp1wEPxFfGmZjuw1DB+ne/SOZL2SBBtE7zU egkGi95IKfIUgDXHUxhsYpVgWLqx83SarlqC8cW8jqX05IZetk9m1iS3c5f5/0Z5qdBw7OjegoBhFk E= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2017 18:44:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58e2981a4b698_7f7b3f973a79dc3453111 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If multiple frames are used, some advice on loss recovery between them is definitely helpful as well to avoid spurious retransmits, though as long as packet number is always increasing, you wouldn't expect a lot of larger packet numbers being acked before smaller ones. Packet reordering is fairly common, though as you point out most reordering is relatively small scale. Currently QUIC's acking policy is designed to mimic TCP's, though that could change if we wanted better performance with reordering. When to send acks is orthogonal to how the sender should conduct loss detection when it receives those acks. The current wording about tracking ackacks is intended to be flexible, because I think there are a few approaches which may work well and we haven't been able to experiment with them enough to know what is best. Tracking the least unacknowledged and only removing blocks below that could end up taking a very long time to stop acking older packets, since I think it would only drop one range per RTT? Currently GQUIC is tracking the largest acked and removing ack blocks less than that when an ack is acked, which allows for 1RTT of reordering but could probably be improved in cases with really heavy reordering. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/423#issuecomment-291235881 ----==_mimepart_58e2981a4b698_7f7b3f973a79dc3453111 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If multiple frames are used, some advice on loss recovery between them i= s definitely helpful as well to avoid spurious retransmits, though as long = as packet number is always increasing, you wouldn't expect a lot of larger = packet numbers being acked before smaller ones.

Packet reordering is fairly common, though as you point out most reorder= ing is relatively small scale. Currently QUIC's acking policy is designed = to mimic TCP's, though that could change if we wanted better performance wi= th reordering. When to send acks is orthogonal to how the sender should co= nduct loss detection when it receives those acks.

The current wording about tracking ackacks is intended to be flexible, b= ecause I think there are a few approaches which may work well and we haven'= t been able to experiment with them enough to know what is best. Tracking = the least unacknowledged and only removing blocks below that could end up t= aking a very long time to stop acking older packets, since I think it would= only drop one range per RTT? Currently GQUIC is tracking the largest acke= d and removing ack blocks less than that when an ack is acked, which allows= for 1RTT of reordering but could probably be improved in cases with really= heavy reordering.

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Discussed in Chicago; proposal (no consensus yet):

Handshake protocol and version is defined by the QUIC version; applicati= on mapping defines what handshake protocol(s) are acceptable, and may furth= er constrain it.

The current transport's handshake is "TLS 1.3 or greater". The HTTP mapp= ing will require that.

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Tracking the least unacknowledged and only removing blocks below that co= uld end up taking a very long time to stop acking older packets, since I th= ink it would only drop one range per RTT?

I agree, but my intention was to soften the current wording in the draft= quoted below, not to extend the time an ack must be transmitted, but rathe= r extend the time and ack is permitted to be transmitted, which is differen= t:

Once an ACK frame has been acknowledged, the packets it acknowledges SHO= ULD not be acknowledged again.

Respecting the above appears to provide little benefit. But even if pack= ets are no longer actively being acknowledged when an ack from is acknowled= ge by peer (ack ack), an implementation is obliged to assume that a super f= ast ack ack might occur and therefore has to track the content of transmitt= ed ack frames, which seems unnecessary. My proposal was to reduce this book= keeping be just storing a lower bound in ack frame restransmission buffer, = rather than the full content. Or possibly remove the sentence and allow ack= frames to be forgotten once sent.

On loss/reordering - I just read about 5G mobile networks - these are de= signed to peak at 32Gbits/s - that could create some interesting use cases.=

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closes #422

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  • changes StreamID to Stream ID
  • changes StreamID to Stream ID

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----==_mimepart_58e4afd569bf6_2bad3fcda2e2dc2c1716bd-- From nobody Wed Apr 5 03:13:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C311273B1 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 03:13:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.796 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.796 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.796, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JfjkWbjzLr79 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 03:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0411B127010 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 03:13:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=upB1WFJou+whsBaIpk11LME4V9w=; b=MMh0ozfKw33IWwTT fDj66u3t7mrX1kYwWC5XAO561zDWbx6hNSlVV6OzYxXRN9F6wiapqK/9Rgb/7k1c ynhpgns77f+udx8H2MwVyCkdwMmtAyPpmNtYINd8uum6isnmrbce9qjmbEI297Ub 9q4Gae3qdE5/zTcNJemqOiKWvB0= Received: by filter0604p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0604p1mdw1-27199-58E4C363-39 2017-04-05 10:13:55.644185103 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id mtBWbBqRQ9u4fJFmVWgGkQ for ; Wed, 05 Apr 2017 10:13:55.646 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2017 03:13:55 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Specify when multiple ack frames must be used (#423) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58e4c3638411d_56653fc17153bc3c394b5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0bs8FIln5qnF/x8QdkPK4DeSEd7rvNNTID5M 8oCMob9PHlRC3iom2RkZExoxGnOTkKKGGSxfUGAzUUomnPfGuzIl+MNW3PFnb/hMtCSO4PgDzZG1E/ Hisa2n0KgcB0JXcxX3mdjDWR5SCNdbyrBGmP0tk2Gila/01pkyck3h2rFL6PMrfP5HvVNqvDOigil1 0= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2017 10:13:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58e4c3638411d_56653fc17153bc3c394b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is all very interesting, but I'm wondering about something. How often do you ACK a contiguous range of packets that is >256 packets long? Do you ever ACK a range that is >65536 packets long? 32Gbps doesn't bother me that much: as long as you have enough spare capacity for lots of ACK frames - which can only really happen on a grossly asymmetric link - you can treat ACKs as you do DATA. Send and retransmit them in the same way, including all of the standard repair strategies (inc. FRTO). Yes it means tracking what was acknowledged and when, but you have a few orders of magnitude less state to maintain. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/423#issuecomment-291817274 ----==_mimepart_58e4c3638411d_56653fc17153bc3c394b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This is all very interesting, but I'm wondering about something. How of= ten do you ACK a contiguous range of packets that is >256 packets long? = Do you ever ACK a range that is >65536 packets long?

32Gbps doesn't bother me that much: as long as you have enough spare cap= acity for lots of ACK frames - which can only really happen on a grossly as= ymmetric link - you can treat ACKs as you do DATA. Send and retransmit the= m in the same way, including all of the standard repair strategies (inc. FR= TO). Yes it means tracking what was acknowledged and when, but you have a = few orders of magnitude less state to maintain.

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You can't treat ack frames as data because data can be buffered extern= ally such as via a memory mapped file - stream frames only need to store = the header in a retransmission buffer. Ideally ack frames need not be sto= red at all, or they could store just a few range limits. Detailed ack fra= me storage is a complication.

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Following up on the mailing list discussion, filing an issue so that this doesn't get lost. It's not clear from the draft what the concurrent stream limit actually protects. I don't think the current mechanism protects what I think we want it to protect, i.e. the stream state table and the retransmission buffer, however once we specify what we want to protect we can maybe come up with a solution for this.

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----==_mimepart_58e66683975_326c3fedbec55c3814804b-- From nobody Fri Apr 7 08:00:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E064E129449 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2017 08:00:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l5tu47tAm3ZD for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2017 08:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73D41127333 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2017 08:00:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=5CZLWqPKcLFmu8cTwJdlnnauC+M=; b=MQOHPkFEP1HP8Hno jzBC3COmt3gvIcMao1MlD+BoUbzBy+OwGIcFVL2hQLwCWTdGxhodN6MiZQYr/Oq1 uWPpzlaVB2nRq5OpEVO1JK9spS3+pZb1j1zdPq34+ng21ApySAOEsCGzRifYcMwx mEwjKGUU6EZT+JQbbWyEnJCRkeY= Received: by filter0837p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0837p1mdw1-10526-58E7A992-32 2017-04-07 15:00:34.52901941 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id V9RgMmJWRjONiQcSArUzSw for ; Fri, 07 Apr 2017 15:00:34.477 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2017 08:00:34 -0700 From: ThomasSwindells Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/QUIC without Alt-Svc? (#253) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58e7a992275f4_259a3f7e9161fc34201245"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ThomasSwindells X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2nDTaB4jdFBKDvGwjKcI2t7GuQ5kOZg6nEYq +g8QJlTOF8oqknkLc8zJbCA6SlidsJLChjaB2wYQ4FCeYpCAJLEdvkgtWIPw+px8VqUg+lNj/GIjwJ y1Hsf0znZznI8lEJv46f9WPmc0pC96ncvKZjxKeOe3soRqZPn7/0LWbys4IqluYUAHE3cLSyrylWUp c= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2017 15:00:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58e7a992275f4_259a3f7e9161fc34201245 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There are a number of different scenarios and interactions that I think nee= d to be considered in this discussion, I=E2=80=99ll try to capture the two = main ones below. For precision and clarity I come from a CDN background and so will define s= ome terms and concepts I=E2=80=99m using below =E2=80=93 they may or may no= t perfectly match how other parts of the community use the same term hence = why I=E2=80=99m going to give a brief description of how I=E2=80=99m using = them here. Client: The user agent which is presenting a URI in order to receive the co= ntent from the site that that URI is identifying. Site: A hostname grouping together a set of paths which identify some resou= rces sourced from one or more origin servers, we can assume the resources i= dentified are the same regardless of delivery protocol (http, https, quic). Origin Server: An authorative source for the resources within a site. If be= ing fronted by delivery nodes then the origin may not be directly accessibl= e by clients and may not deliver content over the same protocols as the del= ivery nodes are delivering to the client. Delivery Node: Client accessible servers capable of serving resources from = one or more sites. In a world wide distributed CDN there could be hundreds = or even thousands of delivery nodes with request routing being used to dire= ct client to particular nodes. Different delivery nodes may be on different= software versions or have different specializations. Request routing: the process by which a client requesting the URI gets conn= ected to an appropriate delivery node capable of delivering the requested r= esource. There are a number of different ways that request routing can be i= mplemented: DNS based Request Routing: the site hostname gets resolved into one or more= IP addresses of the delivery nodes, dependant on where you are (and the st= ate of the delivery nodes etc) the list of IP addresses may differ. HTTP 30x based request routing: The client initially connects to a request = routing application, this returns a 302 redirect containing a URL pointing = at a specific delivery node (by ip or hostname) and updated path. Resource based request routing: The results of an API call or contents of a= resource provide a URL directing subsequent requests to a specific deliver= y node. For instance the =E2=80=98base-url=E2=80=99 element of a DASH manif= est may contain one or more URLS to delivery nodes. Anycast based request routing: All delivery nodes share the same address an= d the network routes the connection to the closest node. One particularly implication of this definition is whilst we could assume t= hat all sites will be dual stack, this doesn=E2=80=99t imply that every del= ivery node for that site would be capable of being dual stack. This could b= e some nodes haven=E2=80=99t been upgraded to be dual stack, or some nodes = may be specialised just to do HTTPs or just to do quic. The key scenarios that we need to ensure we have a solution covering: 1. Resource has no knowledge of client capabilities, or delivery node capab= ilities This is the case most discussion has been around. A static webpage linking = to another host doesn=E2=80=99t know whether that site supports both https = and quic, nor does it know if the client supports quic or not. The obvious = solution is therefore to use an https uri for the link and expect the clien= t to upgrade the connection to quic if it detects (or has remembered) that = the server support it. This approach is simple and effective (particularly = for single server sites). There are some implications that this approach causes however (particularly= when there are a large number of delivery nodes that can serve the site): - Every delivery node must support both https and quic - Much on the work on minimizing round trips at connection start a= re irrelevant if the client first has to make a TCP connection - The delivery node is placed under higher load, having to perform= additional TCP session establishment and TLS negotiations on that temporar= y TCP connection. For repeat visits to a single server site the client can = remember the QUIC support and potentially optimize the TCP connection away,= for a multi-server site the client may get a different delivery node every= time and so have to do the capability 2. Server has knowledge of client capabilities and wishes to direct the cli= ent to another delivery node for which it knows the capabilities When either 30x or Resource based request routing is being performed the se= rver can know if the client is quic capable (e.g. it is communicating over = quic already) and also know if the target delivery node is quic capable. In= fact for high throughput I would expect that it is desirable to have deliv= ery nodes which are specialized to only do quic and not be dual stack - the= two protocols require different code to access the different networking ap= is or may be able to take advantage of specific hardware acceleration etc. With a 30x response there may be the option of returning an alt-svc header = and hoping the client immediately switches to quic, however with resource b= ased direction then the mechanism would need to work just through what can = be learnt via the URL. You=E2=80=99ve outlined four potential ways that given just a URL the abili= ty for quic to be used directly could be achieved: 1. Rely on alt-svc and the assumption all delivery nodes are dual sta= ck. This limits flexibility and optimizations that could be done with a nod= e only delivering quic packets. 2. Alt-svc in DNS. This seems a technically viable approach although = I can=E2=80=99t judge what complexities there are in introducing this and a= llowing applications to be able to access the information. A human reading = the URL also can=E2=80=99t tell what protocol it is for. For a browser sam= e-origin policies may not be tripped when the client switches between proto= cols (which is probably a good thing) 3. Adding an indicator into the port number (:q443). As others have m= entioned this is almost certain to break existing URL parsers and APIs whic= h typically use an integer datatype. 4. Define httpq as an explicit protocol. This is clear what protocol = the urls are for, although may have issues around same-origin semantics and= may sometimes cause issues if the scheme isn=E2=80=99t defined on the os/p= rogramming language. It may be one solution doesn=E2=80=99t fit all the usecases and the flexibi= lity of multiple of them is what we end up needing: 1. may be suitable (and possibly even best) when used with web browsers/hum= an shared links and where the browser is expected to use https initially an= d rely on alt-svc 2. could be used to inform clients that quic is supported and to immediatel= y use quic. 4. could be used for m2m interactions (manifest files, request routing, api= responses etc) when the capabilities of the client can be assumed/mandated= and explicit control over the protocol is desired. Thomas From: Mike Bishop [mailto:notifications@github.com] Sent: 28 March 2017 06:54 To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/QUIC without Alt-Svc? (#253) We've talked about four routes here: 1. Long live TCP. All HTTP sites will be dual-stack, and the authoritativ= e endpoint will be TCP. Clients MUST have a way to find the secure delegati= on from that TCP endpoint to QUIC, though we might define alternatives to A= lt-Svc headers which could be done without TCP. (Alt-Svc in DNS?) 2. Update RFC3986. RFC 3986 explicitly states that "The type of port desi= gnated by the port number (e.g., TCP, UDP, SCTP) is defined by the URI sche= me." We could update the URI to contain a protocol designator, whose defaul= t is defined by the URI scheme. As it would be omitted in all existing URIs= , their interpretation remains unchanged. Then https://www.example.com:q443= / refers to QUIC on UDP 443. 3. Define a new scheme. See pull request. 4. What's it matter? Assume that HTTP/QUIC on port 443 is likely equivale= nt to HTTP/TCP on port 443 if the cert is valid and call it good. We explicitly do not consider the same host on different ports equivalent a= uthorities, even if they happen to be listening on both ports with the same= cert. Why is TCP 443 vs. UDP 443 any different from TCP 443 vs. TCP 444? (= 4) seems like a security issue waiting to happen. I'm going to reverse myself and disagree that (3) is undeployable on the we= b in the near-term. App-to-app handoff on many (most?) platforms now uses c= ustom URI schemes. Apps that encounter unknown URI schemes ask the OS; the = OS is able to invoke appropriately-registered apps or tell the user they ne= ed to get a capable app. E.g. launching "nonsense://" produces this on Win1= 0: [image] Some cursory testing shows that browsers block navigations to URI schemes t= hat don't have an OS-registered handler. But if you have two browsers, one = QUIC-capable and one not, when you click an httpq:// link in the non-QUIC b= rowser the OS will launch the QUIC-capable browser for you and you proceed = on your merry way. This seems almost exactly what we'd want to have happen. (2) probably is undeployable, because legacy apps will attempt to parse the= URI and declare it invalid. They're semi-used to seeing unknown schemes (x= boxliveapp-1297287741://, anyone?), but changes that break the parsers woul= d be seriously painful. =E2=80=94 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread. --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/253#issuecomment-292560741= ----==_mimepart_58e7a992275f4_259a3f7e9161fc34201245 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There are a number of different scenarios and interactions that I think nee= d to be considered in this discussion, I=E2=80=99ll try to capture the two = main ones below.
For precision and clarity I come from a CDN background and so will define s= ome terms and concepts I=E2=80=99m using below =E2=80=93 they may or may no= t perfectly match how other parts of the community use the same term hence = why I=E2=80=99m going to give a brief description of how I=E2=80=99m using = them here.

Client: The user agent which is presenting a URI in order to receive the co= ntent from the site that that URI is identifying.
Site: A hostname grouping together a set of paths which identify some resou= rces sourced from one or more origin servers, we can assume the resources i= dentified are the same regardless of delivery protocol (http, https, quic).
Origin Server: An authorative source for the resources within a site. If be= ing fronted by delivery nodes then the origin may not be directly accessibl= e by clients and may not deliver content over the same protocols as the del= ivery nodes are delivering to the client.
Delivery Node: Client accessible servers capable of serving resources from = one or more sites. In a world wide distributed CDN there could be hundreds = or even thousands of delivery nodes with request routing being used to dire= ct client to particular nodes. Different delivery nodes may be on different= software versions or have different specializations.
Request routing: the process by which a client requesting the URI gets conn= ected to an appropriate delivery node capable of delivering the requested r= esource. There are a number of different ways that request routing can be i= mplemented:
DNS based Request Routing: the site hostname gets resolved into one or more= IP addresses of the delivery nodes, dependant on where you are (and the st= ate of the delivery nodes etc) the list of IP addresses may differ.
HTTP 30x based request routing: The client initially connects to a request = routing application, this returns a 302 redirect containing a URL pointing = at a specific delivery node (by ip or hostname) and updated path.
Resource based request routing: The results of an API call or contents of a= resource provide a URL directing subsequent requests to a specific deliver= y node. For instance the =E2=80=98base-url=E2=80=99 element of a DASH manif= est may contain one or more URLS to delivery nodes.
Anycast based request routing: All delivery nodes share the same address an= d the network routes the connection to the closest node.

One particularly implication of this definition is whilst we could assume t= hat all sites will be dual stack, this doesn=E2=80=99t imply that every del= ivery node for that site would be capable of being dual stack. This could b= e some nodes haven=E2=80=99t been upgraded to be dual stack, or some nodes = may be specialised just to do HTTPs or just to do quic.

The key scenarios that we need to ensure we have a solution covering:
1. Resource has no knowledge of client capabilities, or delivery node capab= ilities
This is the case most discussion has been around. A static webpage linking = to another host doesn=E2=80=99t know whether that site supports both https = and quic, nor does it know if the client supports quic or not. The obvious = solution is therefore to use an https uri for the link and expect the clien= t to upgrade the connection to quic if it detects (or has remembered) that = the server support it. This approach is simple and effective (particularly = for single server sites).
There are some implications that this approach causes however (particularly= when there are a large number of delivery nodes that can serve the site):

- Every delivery node must support both https and quic

- Much on the work on minimizing round trips at connection start a= re irrelevant if the client first has to make a TCP connection

- The delivery node is placed under higher load, having to perform= additional TCP session establishment and TLS negotiations on that temporar= y TCP connection. For repeat visits to a single server site the client can = remember the QUIC support and potentially optimize the TCP connection away,= for a multi-server site the client may get a different delivery node every= time and so have to do the capability

2. Server has knowledge of client capabilities and wishes to direct the cli= ent to another delivery node for which it knows the capabilities
When either 30x or Resource based request routing is being performed the se= rver can know if the client is quic capable (e.g. it is communicating over = quic already) and also know if the target delivery node is quic capable. In= fact for high throughput I would expect that it is desirable to have deliv= ery nodes which are specialized to only do quic and not be dual stack - the= two protocols require different code to access the different networking ap= is or may be able to take advantage of specific hardware acceleration etc.
With a 30x response there may be the option of returning an alt-svc header = and hoping the client immediately switches to quic, however with resource b= ased direction then the mechanism would need to work just through what can = be learnt via the URL.

You=E2=80=99ve outlined four potential ways that given just a URL the abili= ty for quic to be used directly could be achieved:

1. Rely on alt-svc and the assumption all delivery nodes are dual sta= ck. This limits flexibility and optimizations that could be done with a nod= e only delivering quic packets.

2. Alt-svc in DNS. This seems a technically viable approach although = I can=E2=80=99t judge what complexities there are in introducing this and a= llowing applications to be able to access the information. A human reading = the URL also can=E2=80=99t tell what protocol it is for. For a browser sam= e-origin policies may not be tripped when the client switches between proto= cols (which is probably a good thing)

3. Adding an indicator into the port number (:q443). As others have m= entioned this is almost certain to break existing URL parsers and APIs whic= h typically use an integer datatype.

4. Define httpq as an explicit protocol. This is clear what protocol = the urls are for, although may have issues around same-origin semantics and= may sometimes cause issues if the scheme isn=E2=80=99t defined on the os/p= rogramming language.

It may be one solution doesn=E2=80=99t fit all the usecases and the flexibi= lity of multiple of them is what we end up needing:
1. may be suitable (and possibly even best) when used with web browsers/hum= an shared links and where the browser is expected to use https initially an= d rely on alt-svc
2. could be used to inform clients that quic is supported and to immediatel= y use quic.
4. could be used for m2m interactions (manifest files, request routing, api= responses etc) when the capabilities of the client can be assumed/mandated= and explicit control over the protocol is desired.

Thomas

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We've talked about four routes here:

1. Long live TCP. All HTTP sites will be dual-stack, and the authoritativ= e endpoint will be TCP. Clients MUST have a way to find the secure delegati= on from that TCP endpoint to QUIC, though we might define alternatives to A= lt-Svc headers which could be done without TCP. (Alt-Svc in DNS?)

2. Update RFC3986. RFC 3986 explicitly states that "The type of port= designated by the port number (e.g., TCP, UDP, SCTP) is defined by the URI= scheme." We could update the URI to contain a protocol designator, wh= ose default is defined by the URI scheme. As it would be omitted in all exi= sting URIs, their interpretation remains unchanged. Then https://www.exampl= e.com:q443/ refers to QUIC on UDP 443.

3. Define a new scheme. See pull request.

4. What's it matter? Assume that HTTP/QUIC on port 443 is likely equi= valent to HTTP/TCP on port 443 if the cert is valid and call it good.

We explicitly do not consider the same host on different ports equivalent a= uthorities, even if they happen to be listening on both ports with the same= cert. Why is TCP 443 vs. UDP 443 any different from TCP 443 vs. TCP 444? (= 4) seems like a security issue waiting to happen.

I'm going to reverse myself and disagree that (3) is undeployable on th= e web in the near-term. App-to-app handoff on many (most?) platforms now us= es custom URI schemes. Apps that encounter unknown URI schemes ask the OS; = the OS is able to invoke appropriately-registered apps or tell the user the= y need to get a capable app. E.g. launching "nonsense://" produce= s this on Win10:

[image]<https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/4273797/24390519/18b2= 17aa-134f-11e7-8c13-22a24805081b.png>

Some cursory testing shows that browsers block navigations to URI schemes t= hat don't have an OS-registered handler. But if you have two browsers, = one QUIC-capable and one not, when you click an httpq:// link in the non-QU= IC browser the OS will launch the QUIC-capable browser for you and you proc= eed on your merry way. This seems almost exactly what we'd want to have= happen.

(2) probably is undeployable, because legacy apps will attempt to parse the= URI and declare it invalid. They're semi-used to seeing unknown scheme= s (xboxliveapp-1297287741://, anyone?), but changes that break the parsers = would be seriously painful.

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I think we can avoid this problem by not implicitly recommending a fixed port number: #424

There's no need for a fixed port number anyway, due to the Alt-Svc bootstrap.

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The application can ask the QUIC API to only transmit or retransmit within a specific range limit or within a specific timeframe. If this is not to violate the current protocol, the QUIC engine must still transmit data but it can then choose to send just zeroes in order to free up internal or application controlled buffers. This is a waste of good bandwidth. The QUIC engine could support a stream frame with just zeroes, using a dedicated frame type, or just a flag in a the stream header if possible. When this is set, the frame data will be absent. At the receiving end, the engine can either just fill in zeroes, or inform the application of a zero block at a given range. With a compressed zero frame, it is then possible to handle partially unreliable streams at the API level without involving the core protocol which need not care. A zero frame can also be useful if transmitting a memory mapped file that contains large amount of zeroes - although of course one would normally apply compression. A downside of zero frames is that the receiving end cannot tell if the zero block was lost data or just valid zero data. It may derive that from the application context, or perhaps there should be a distrinction between compresed zeroes and actual gap frames. An upside is that the QUIC protocol need not deal with length markers within streams to identify what is a message boundary so only complete messages are dropped or retransmitted. This is somewhat related to sparse files and TRIM sectors in SSD devices. Of course, there are many other, and possibly better, ways to deal with partially reliable streams, so this is just one idea I wanted to share. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In anticipation of partially reliable streams I considered how it might be done today with minimal impact.

The application can ask the QUIC API to only transmit or retransmit within a specific range limit or within a specific timeframe. If this is not to violate the current protocol, the QUIC engine must still transmit data but it can then choose to send just zeroes in order to free up internal or application controlled buffers. This is a waste of good bandwidth.

The QUIC engine could support a stream frame with just zeroes, using a dedicated frame type, or just a flag in a the stream header if possible. When this is set, the frame data will be absent. At the receiving end, the engine can either just fill in zeroes, or inform the application of a zero block at a given range.

With a compressed zero frame, it is then possible to handle partially unreliable streams at the API level without involving the core protocol which need not care.

A zero frame can also be useful if transmitting a memory mapped file that contains large amount of zeroes - although of course one would normally apply compression.

A downside of zero frames is that the receiving end cannot tell if the zero block was lost data or just valid zero data. It may derive that from the application context, or perhaps there should be a distrinction between compresed zeroes and actual gap frames.

An upside is that the QUIC protocol need not deal with length markers within streams to identify what is a message boundary so only complete messages are dropped or retransmitted.

This is somewhat related to sparse files and TRIM sectors in SSD devices.

Of course, there are many other, and possibly better, ways to deal with partially reliable streams, so this is just one idea I wanted to share.

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I'd like to understand better cases when you want partial reliability and you're not happy just cancelling the stream when you've decided it's no longer useful.

Can you outline the use cases?

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----==_mimepart_58ebd5c563170_3b0a3fa336f83c341157ad-- From nobody Mon Apr 10 13:02:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 378FD1201F8 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 13:02:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.801 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fFB8o5UASeKp for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 13:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59BC0127599 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 13:02:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=TUyQjP4tjpsXanoLgUP3facND28=; b=QYqR7/TMtgtLe9c9 XdjEy97IWMDFbAeVC+gniHXgt3kumWEv6181uW0L3RcDzgkOcLkvHQ+on20Nu/HQ TC6XqA603Uxe5j6Hdm8whp4JpRn0wMnU77N9ScD6y56annKRnjqg3b4X0dEZMP+Z kydM48cHO7fFx8TygUKrHUyYnS0= Received: by filter0668p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0668p1mdw1-14140-58EBE4C0-4 2017-04-10 20:02:08.03955304 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id TfGx9YOeRuC1xzG-D6FTLQ for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 20:02:07.995 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 13:02:07 -0700 From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Propose compressed zero stream frames or TRIM frames (#433) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58ebe4bfcc7e7_45b33fcca0b2bc3492044"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1CBABuDN7rU3Euu8AMKpTjxv1L5w+/O+T6Fm JqUBvbH04y7/6T+d6pgGG14KYg7/XY6S1Z5yWxtaRnIvuG3Jm55sHQkcvQZD0kfd80z9amx6iq1i/u hPL7k/l0+drNPCEFs/VHZkVvh0DMoDocWUHUuqYjnAw4cEy9sGF6d2JqiWtdMEWCcGHLmkPyirQjWf 8= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 20:02:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58ebe4bfcc7e7_45b33fcca0b2bc3492044 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It can be very inconvenient to not be able to map a fixed or slowly changing communciation path (a virtual path) between two software endpoints (object A to B). You loose any ordering, and you potentially have to send 128-bit sender and receiver addresses in each message. If you send a high volume of messages (millons per second), the stream state starts to be become expensive because you must maintain ordering queues and reader/write state - even optimized memory pools starts to become a bottleneck. You could to some extend get around this by creating dedicated stream objects in the QUIC api that have very limited buffering capacity, but it starts to couple application level with protocol level logic a bit too much, and you still miss the virtual path. I can imagine other scenerarios than IoT for high volume messaging, but to be more concrete: If you want to send messages from IoT devices over the MQTT protocol and decide to map each pub/sub channel to single stream but allow some messages to be lost if they don't arrive timely. A message may be just a few bytes long, such as valve pressure, but may also occasionally be a few KB for aggregated datalog uploads. If each message is a new stream, MQTT must carry the pub/sub channel name in each message, but it could have avoided that by using a dedicated stream. Furthermore, you might aggregrate multiple IoT devices from a peripheral hub, such that each has its own logical connection ID with several possible pub/sub connections. Now you also have to carry the connection ID for each device in every message, in addition to pub/sub channel and the stream header for each message, and also a timestamp since you don't have any ordering guarantees anymore. If you could just assign a stream to each pub/sub of each device and provide mostly ordered connectivity with options for loss, it would be more resource friendly, likely a lot faster, and more convenient to implement because you can directly associate a stream with a context. There would still be problems with deciding if a message was lost or not. This could be handled by only trimming at certain sync markers explained to the API, e.g. after CRLF. I'm not saying TRIM solves the entire problem by itself. For video and voice streaming you could more easily get away with a new stream per audio/video frame because the payload is significantly larger and the message rate is significantly lower. For game applications the payload could be small, but the message rate would also be comparatively low, at least client side. However, you still need to associate each new stream with a context which is not necessarily that convenient, though possible. On the server side, you would deal with lots of connections. But, same or different connection, each message is a stream that requires state. So now you 100K connections with each 30 active streams which is 3 millions active streams instead of 100K, and this is 3 million new streams per second. Now consider more complex VR gamestate with player 3D coordinates measured by 24 devices and each stream starts to carry non-trivial payload. You don't have any option but to scale out on more servers. But you wouldn't be necessary if you could stream gamestate over 100K semi-permanent connections. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/433#issuecomment-293062302 ----==_mimepart_58ebe4bfcc7e7_45b33fcca0b2bc3492044 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It can be very inconvenient to not be able to map a fixed or slowly chan= ging communciation path (a virtual path) between two software endpoints (ob= ject A to B). You loose any ordering, and you potentially have to send 128-= bit sender and receiver addresses in each message. If you send a high volum= e of messages (millons per second), the stream state starts to be become ex= pensive because you must maintain ordering queues and reader/write state - = even optimized memory pools starts to become a bottleneck. You could to som= e extend get around this by creating dedicated stream objects in the QUIC a= pi that have very limited buffering capacity, but it starts to couple appli= cation level with protocol level logic a bit too much, and you still miss t= he virtual path.

I can imagine other scenerarios than IoT for high volume messaging, but = to be more concrete:

If you want to send messages from IoT devices over the MQTT protocol and= decide to map each pub/sub channel to single stream but allow some message= s to be lost if they don't arrive timely. A message may be just a few bytes= long, such as valve pressure, but may also occasionally be a few KB for ag= gregated datalog uploads. If each message is a new stream, MQTT must carry = the pub/sub channel name in each message, but it could have avoided that by= using a dedicated stream. Furthermore, you might aggregrate multiple IoT d= evices from a peripheral hub, such that each has its own logical connection= ID with several possible pub/sub connections. Now you also have to carry t= he connection ID for each device in every message, in addition to pub/sub c= hannel and the stream header for each message, and also a timestamp since y= ou don't have any ordering guarantees anymore.

If you could just assign a stream to each pub/sub of each device and pro= vide mostly ordered connectivity with options for loss, it would be more re= source friendly, likely a lot faster, and more convenient to implement beca= use you can directly associate a stream with a context. There would still b= e problems with deciding if a message was lost or not. This could be handle= d by only trimming at certain sync markers explained to the API, e.g. after= CRLF. I'm not saying TRIM solves the entire problem by itself.

For video and voice streaming you could more easily get away with a new = stream per audio/video frame because the payload is significantly larger an= d the message rate is significantly lower.

For game applications the payload could be small, but the message rate w= ould also be comparatively low, at least client side. However, you still ne= ed to associate each new stream with a context which is not necessarily tha= t convenient, though possible. On the server side, you would deal with lots= of connections. But, same or different connection, each message is a strea= m that requires state. So now you 100K connections with each 30 active stre= ams which is 3 millions active streams instead of 100K, and this is 3 milli= on new streams per second. Now consider more complex VR gamestate with play= er 3D coordinates measured by 24 devices and each stream starts to carry no= n-trivial payload. You don't have any option but to scale out on more serve= rs. But you wouldn't be necessary if you could stream gamestate over 100K s= emi-permanent connections.

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This is more in line with the idea of disposable streams (not that I am saying it solves the above mentioned issues). For example, the application may have given a memory mapped file to the API and halfway thorugh decides to cancel the stream. The QUIC engine may expect retransmissions to be based off the memory mapped file buffer rather than keeping internal copies. Once the client cancels the stream, the engine no longer has any data to transmit in order to oblige the protocol. It may then fill in zeroes, or be forced to copy data at the time of cancel in anticipation of potential retransmissions. Either way, it may be just wasted effort. In this case a TRIM frame would allow the engine to simply fill in the data and retire the stream gracefully after the application has long abandoned the stream. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Another related use for the TRIM frame is to send zero frames after the = application decides to cancel a stream while all data up to the final offse= t in each direction have not yet been acknowledged. This is more in line wi= th the idea of disposable streams (not that I am saying it solves the above= mentioned issues).

For example, the application may have given a memory mapped file to the = API and halfway thorugh decides to cancel the stream. The QUIC engine may e= xpect retransmissions to be based off the memory mapped file buffer rather = than keeping internal copies. Once the client cancels the stream, the engin= e no longer has any data to transmit in order to oblige the protocol. It ma= y then fill in zeroes, or be forced to copy data at the time of cancel in a= nticipation of potential retransmissions. Either way, it may be just wasted= effort. In this case a TRIM frame would allow the engine to simply fill in= the data and retire the stream gracefully after the application has long a= bandoned the stream.

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The cost of skipping continuous padding is larger than doing nothing, bu= t it's extremely small, particularly since the data is accessed sequentiall= y, which is great or CPU caches and the packet was just decrypted, so it sh= ould already be in some layer of CPU cache.

I'd estimate that this adds <5% in the worst case(an entire packet of= padding) on top of decryption and receiving the packet from the NIC, and i= t's probably less.

A PADDING frame with a length makes it necessary to have two padding fra= mes, one that's one byte and one(or two) that has a length, since if you ha= ve a length, it'd be impossible to have a one byte padding frame.

So yes, I think it's premature optimization to worry about it, since eve= n with a single byte padding frame, I believe padding frames are the cheape= st frame type to process per byte.

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The cost of skipping continuous padding is larger than doing nothing, bu= t it's extremely small, particularly since the data is accessed sequentiall= y, which is great or CPU caches and the packet was just decrypted, so it sh= ould already be in some layer of CPU cache.

I'd estimate that this adds <5% in the worst case(an entire packet of= padding) on top of decryption and receiving the packet from the NIC, and i= t's probably less.

Hmm yeah I hadn't thought about it this way. Since a simple implementati= on might just loop thorugh the buffer and no-op when the frame type is PADD= ING there's not much to do (compared with some conditional related to readi= ng some length etc). With branch prediction this should turn out quite well= , even more so for your worst case? (Perhaps the worst case in that respect= is a more varied packet contents).

There's a simple way for me to test this out and stop speculating...

A PADDING frame with a length makes it necessary to have two padding fra= mes, one that's one byte and one(or two) that has a length, since if you ha= ve a length, it'd be impossible to have a one byte padding frame.

Great point. Simplicity makes a strong argument for me.

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FIN marks the end of stream and the end of a message at the end of the current frame. MORE indicates that the current message will be continued in another (possibly empty) frame. TRIM indicates that the payload is absent and should be zero filled. If TRIM is used at a boundary, it needs to be followed by a subsequent frame to encode FIN or MARK. GAP implies no payload like TRIM but allows for including MARK or TRIM in the same frame. A GAP may be empty to suggest truncation. `` can be used replace the `RST_STREAM` response. An application may not know if more messages will indeed follow. To terminate a stream following a MARK, FIN zero length frame can be used to terminate the stream. An application may also use the GAP flag if zero-length messages can be valid. If 3 bits is too much, the state can be simplified to: `` In this case we loose the option encode zeroes that are not gaps, and we also cannot encode GAP and FIN at the same time. Now let see how this could fit into the current STREAM header byte: The stream frame currenlty has the form "1FDOOOSS" where 1 indicates a stream frame. F is the FIN bit and D is the datalength present bit. OOO is the offset field width, and SS is the stream identifier width. If we use the simplified two bit FF approach we can reduce OOO to OO and have "1FFDOOSS" and we are essentially done. Current streams behave as before and have just a single message. Partially reliable streams can introduce gaps into the stream and message markers help the engine to decide how to best create gaps. I also suggest moving to 64-bit stream identifiers because 32-bit streams can drained withint a few hours and because they are more dificult to map to unique vpath for object routing. If we use the 3-bit GTT approach, we can steal the datalength present bit: - GAP, TRIM, MORE implies data length. - MARK, FIN implies no data length. But this does not appear to be very practical. So the "1FFDOOSS" with 64-bit stream identifiers is the solution I would suggest. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/433#issuecomment-293494625 ----==_mimepart_58edd481a6925_44e93ffce5975c302601af Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

To develop this idea further, we can have can replace FIN with two mini<= br> states in 3 bits GTT:

<G:(GAP | VALID), TT:(MARK | FIN | MORE | TRIM)>

MARK marks the end of a message at the end of the current frame, and
that more messages might follow. FIN marks the end of stream and
the end of a message at the end of the current frame. MORE indicates
that the current message will be continued in another (possibly empty)
frame. TRIM indicates that the payload is absent and should be zero
filled. If TRIM is used at a boundary, it needs to be followed by a
subsequent frame to encode FIN or MARK.

GAP implies no payload like TRIM but allows for including MARK or TRIM in the same frame. A GAP may be empty to suggest truncation.
<GAP, FIN> can be used replace the RST_STREAM response.

An application may not know if more messages will indeed follow. To
terminate a stream following a MARK, FIN zero length frame can be
used to terminate the stream. An application may also use the GAP flag
if zero-length messages can be valid.

If 3 bits is too much, the state can be simplified to:

<FF:(MARK | FIN | MORE | GAP)>

In this case we loose the option encode zeroes that are not gaps, and we=
also cannot encode GAP and FIN at the same time.

Now let see how this could fit into the current STREAM header byte:

The stream frame currenlty has the form "1FDOOOSS" where 1 indicates a stream frame. F is the FIN bit and D is the datalength present bit. OOO
is the offset field width, and SS is the stream identifier width.

If we use the simplified two bit FF approach we can reduce OOO to OO and=
have "1FFDOOSS" and we are essentially done. Current streams behave as
before and have just a single message. Partially reliable streams can
introduce gaps into the stream and message markers help the engine to
decide how to best create gaps.

I also suggest moving to 64-bit stream identifiers because 32-bit
streams can drained withint a few hours and because they are more
dificult to map to unique vpath for object routing.

If we use the 3-bit GTT approach, we can steal the datalength present
bit:

  • GAP, TRIM, MORE implies data length.
  • MARK, FIN implies no data length.

But this does not appear to be very practical. So the "1FFDOOSS" with
64-bit stream identifiers is the solution I would suggest.

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= ----==_mimepart_58edd481a6925_44e93ffce5975c302601af-- From nobody Wed Apr 12 00:55:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 735AD128896 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 00:55:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.021 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.021 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3tCIlx8-TU39 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 00:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4AF7A1293F5 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 00:55:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=CyyR6euPL6DcDVqWj1znWe6n8MQ=; b=SfZHTE2JDAa1h/Q8 ocJz2Eg/64hVKvMJrJ46/zwTRiyNZTML4Ya+wWOfVoyZQRY0nBXBsyHVGGbRtem1 VIOqm7iQ+Si2+E/ndXcAYGtqbko4Vy7y4IAJbzPl8QjCWs+y4DFM8KzGlt3eymkG PG67g5qdWX93rqJIidFqRWRYyUg= Received: by filter1105p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1105p1mdw1-29979-58EDDD79-12 2017-04-12 07:55:37.210863709 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id oHSDbKXyR06Y58gX3ZPuPw for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 07:55:37.303 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 00:55:37 -0700 From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Propose compressed zero stream frames or TRIM frames (#433) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58eddd791ab86_29b33f93a546bc342487d9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak08x+TUHEoKDuD9TG5TRxE649acn5j0Mz9F29 n2fS/W6ZJ+xHtsUm48+xg4twiwGtDCX2xCnVdE75zByG2U0nb2fFNFwT3u3mlJl4SppOLgai3gc72L DpCJcKTloBhfif7/6ASx2R8u5wVGnFr+bnuf31KuZLo7Udv6US7ZyQ4HNl22qNywExjK39RYyU8rFQ s= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 07:55:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58eddd791ab86_29b33f93a546bc342487d9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I forgot that the datalength bit implies filling to packet size, and not zero length, as for short FIN stream frames. The last discussion about GTT interaction with datalength is therefore incorrect. In this light, a 3-bit GTT approach is more viable. We can either just steal the data length as it isn't all that useful to save two bytes on a full MTU whereas with GTT we can remove the RST_STREAM response and replace it with GAP, FIN. I should also clarify that MARK is most useful to the receiving end: The receiver needs to deliver complete ordered messages and can decide to drop too old (by some measure) incomplete message when forwarding the stream to the application. Incomplete message can both be implicit gaps as in data not yet delivered, and explicit gaps as in data will never be delivered indicated by the GAP bit. The sender can choose to send GAPs anywhere it thinks but it cannot choose to drop random data in a stream without replacing with GAP. The sender can also can also make use of MARK, for example when a stream is cancelled, it may choose to transmit all currently buffered complete messages, and send a GAP for the rest. The API may also deliver messages out of order, so rather than dropping too old messages, it delivers them when completed. A MARK need not indicate a logical message but it does not matter to QUIC. For example, when sending files, a mark could be inserted every 4K. Of course the application can derive this from the offset, but it makes it simpler to deliver out of order data in page chunks. This is useful for concurrent processing where each received chunk can be processed in parallel, but it must be a complete chunk. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I forgot that the datalength bit implies filling to packet size, and not= zero length, as for short FIN stream frames. The last discussion about GTT= interaction with datalength is therefore incorrect.

In this light, a 3-bit GTT approach is more viable. We can either just s= teal the data length as it isn't all that useful to save two bytes on a ful= l MTU whereas with GTT we can remove the RST_STREAM response and replace it= with GAP, FIN.

I should also clarify that MARK is most useful to the receiving end: The= receiver needs to deliver complete ordered messages and can decide to drop= too old (by some measure) incomplete message when forwarding the stream to= the application. Incomplete message can both be implicit gaps as in data n= ot yet delivered, and explicit gaps as in data will never be delivered indi= cated by the GAP bit. The sender can choose to send GAPs anywhere it thinks= but it cannot choose to drop random data in a stream without replacing wit= h GAP.

The sender can also can also make use of MARK, for example when a stream= is cancelled, it may choose to transmit all currently buffered complete me= ssages, and send a GAP for the rest.

The API may also deliver messages out of order, so rather than dropping = too old messages, it delivers them when completed.

A MARK need not indicate a logical message but it does not matter to QUI= C. For example, when sending files, a mark could be inserted every 4K. Of c= ourse the application can derive this from the offset, but it makes it simp= ler to deliver out of order data in page chunks. This is useful for concurr= ent processing where each received chunk can be processed in parallel, but = it must be a complete chunk.

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#424 should have a c= orresponding issue, and this could be it. As I read it, the goal is to avo= id ossification of the HTTP/QUIC port number by advocating that origins not use a consistent port number. Since Alt-Svc can point you to any= port number, unless we have evidence that UDP port numbers are already hig= hly ossified, I don't see an issue with not using 443 for most use-cases.

We would want a default port associated with a new scheme (#253), but we don't yet have that = and that wouldn't be the common case regardless.

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@mnot: I don't see that the notice about existing QUIC versions made it into the draft.

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The transport draft says in Section 10.2 that "Streams MUST be created in sequential order." This is logical. Suppose now that an application sends the STREAM-DATA opening stream 5 in one packet number X, and then the opening of stream 7 in the next packet, number X+1. This is a fairly natural thing to do, for example, for QUIC over DNS, where each transaction opens its own stream.

Suppose now that packet number X is lost. Packet X+1 will be processed. The receiver will see for the first time a reference to stream 7, without having seen stream 5. In a strict reading of the spec, since streams MUST be created in sequential order, the receiver should signal an error, since streams have been created out of order. But that's fiendish. Or maybe it should queue the stream 7 packet until stream 5 has been open, but that would cause head of queue blocking. Or maybe it should not care about the MUST, and just open stream 7.

Now, of course, if the receiver is willing to accept stream ID opened out of order, we can have different problems. How much out of order is too much? You may want to say "1", but consider that a client could easily pack a dozen DNS requests and as many stream opening in a single packet. If that packet is lost, there is a gap of a dozen stream ID.

Not sure what the right solution should be.

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----==_mimepart_58eecdfea1797_64ff3fd11f05fc3c12624a-- From nobody Wed Apr 12 18:55:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C1A1294F7 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 18:55:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.396 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.396 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qoZo73givZOP for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 18:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BCDF1286B1 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 18:55:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=X8dcofyretv/LYH29Bgg6W6iVIc=; b=QxBle04tZUVtEcq/ 50+JCCv2uhXovjN5ycAYq1FwGdFB2AwKhNFbfTqK+ztWBjKwyYMZ9KgQeEij/KkG oYA3d/TDk6pAVeSmyzFyDbKxi5qE5OkVkDKx8ACwi4NQCB6reI/b2oyKlwc22vKu +cGzp5VZXBCJob4jBQZO4Ty7hlw= Received: by filter0823p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0823p1mdw1-23438-58EEDA9A-17 2017-04-13 01:55:38.260828243 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id HS-gDrdiSVCkP6tLhm7K3g for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 01:55:37.955 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 18:55:37 -0700 From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stream ID sequential order may create head of queue blocking (#435) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58eeda99d3785_5d923ff990c85c34114027"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2D/f24U+G15PryJF9R5tLQcd87Kigwy3+V8O aq+CP64IauEDBQ4F5UJZ4gAsO+/ghKUJQ77a3JKvEmpVExYV3mHgXpKKwNYYH/G6xfMirQiSSoxeGl NM/d7zpiVNBr0f559lmS7mqkQjGusM8AUsF0Qd8iV8cWGmQCtQ+GERDt/7qjRev/hfQdsWpITAQDVU E= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 01:55:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58eeda99d3785_5d923ff990c85c34114027 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't see any problem here. Since streams are created sequentially, a receiver can open all streams with lower IDs when a such reordered packet arrives. By doing so, the concurrent steak limit is enforced implicitly. This is how we implemented it in quic-go. Note that this also works out nicely if you expose an Accept() API for new streams. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/435#issuecomment-293755295 ----==_mimepart_58eeda99d3785_5d923ff990c85c34114027 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't see any problem here. Since streams are created sequentially, a = receiver can open all streams with lower IDs when a such reordered packet a= rrives. By doing so, the concurrent steak limit is enforced implicitly.

This is how we implemented it in quic-go. Note that this also works out = nicely if you expose an Accept() API for new streams.

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Well, I knocked up some code to test the different approaches for parsin= g packets containing a mix of padding and one other frame. The code is at <= a href=3D"https://gist.github.com/LPardue/64b555ecc70b7abe85fc96bb37f2f4f8"= >https://gist.github.com/LPardue/64b555ecc70b7abe85fc96bb37f2f4f8

  • Approach A: 1 Byte PADDING frame
  • Approach B: N Byte PADDING frame where the first 3 bytes describe frame= type and padding length.

The results were not what I was expecting. For a packet of 65000 bytes, = (across 1000 iterations) the tests showed:

  • A: Mean read time: 284135.9 ns, Median read time: 121362 ns.
  • B: Mean read time: 33.29 ns, Media read time: 29 ns

The difference is several orders of magnitude. I'm suspected the code is= buggy. If its not, some fuzz testing implies that A scales linearly with p= adding length, while B is fairly independent of padding length.

These number are small in the broad scheme of things, so I'm not suggest= ing this is a strong reason to reconsider.

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Unless you only have one frame with 65K padding that can be immediately= skipped of course. Then it is no surprise.

On padding performance - Ian is right that in the typical case for the i= ntended use, single byte padding will be very fast, faster than skipping ba= sed on a length field, likely. However, for abusive purposes where MTU is l= arge, and also for the forced large initial handshake packet, the overhead = may be noticable.

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If you can read 65K in 29ns, the optimizer is playing you a trick. See= conclusions far down in this blog for insights. https://medium= .com/@icex33/10-thousand-times-faster-swift-737b1accd973

Whoops slipped my mind. Fiddling with GCC optimiser flags definitely i= mproves things for the A case but like you say that might not be reflecti= ve of real-world processing. With optimisation, small amounts of 1 byte p= adding performs more competitively the length-based variant.

I'm all for simplicity. However, perhaps there is a case for both "pad= 1 byte" AND "pad to end of frame"? The later could be represented as a n= ew frame type, or perhaps a single padding frame type that does bit maski= ng akin to ACK/STREAM frames. (Of course, that means that 0x00 is no long= er usable for such a purpose).

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SGTM.

I feel @rjb1000 initial question has been answered, and there is no required action so I'm closing the ticket

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----==_mimepart_58efa009a5a46_2593f92a9c1dc2c22412c-- From nobody Thu Apr 13 09:04:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DBDC12951E for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 09:04:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.895 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.895 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YOS_KQvdbD3s for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 09:04:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext4.iad.github.net [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B68901294F9 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 09:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 09:04:19 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1492099459; bh=aq5lOUylFfAent6hT1m/oTLy2KClR0hlBGcwFzDxXmA=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ztdFCpQcQwYY2fzr6jwEoO7Bj3e0pm8FDIJCtmkvJ/B5NfQY4/3ejRJu9d9LcRewI GehNypufnhvkPcLeAoIkBhR+2zIPpGN1S51SLMmrImR1T2QLBX/MPZgr2ZdLaPW6YF drGgfQiWu2dKVbtjQAoQnZQl/knaSggM6gQOHF+M= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] PADDING Frame performance (#434) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58efa183e2bc5_50c93fee44f55c2c89257"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 16:04:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58efa183e2bc5_50c93fee44f55c2c89257 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speaking of padding - one annoying feature about the STREAM frame is that if payload fits up to N - 1 MTU, you need to introduce the datalen length field, but then it won't fit into MTU and you have to add a single byte padding. The padding is not the issue, but it adds complicated special cases that can lead to bugs. In my proposal on TRIM frames, I consider the case where datalen is always required to repurpose the header bit, but it would also simplify this special case, because either the data fits, or it wont. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/434#issuecomment-293940147 ----==_mimepart_58efa183e2bc5_50c93fee44f55c2c89257 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Speaking of padding - one annoying feature about the STREAM frame is t= hat if payload fits up to N - 1 MTU, you need to introduce the datalen le= ngth field, but then it won't fit into MTU and you have to add a single b= yte padding. The padding is not the issue, but it adds complicated specia= l cases that can lead to bugs. In my proposal on TRIM frames, I consider = the case where datalen is always required to repurpose the header bit, bu= t it would also simplify this special case, because either the data fits,= or it wont.

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Marten, I agree that there is no real problem if the client does indeed = create streams in order. But I am concerned with an adversarial client crea= ting streams out of order. Suppose that the server, like you suggest, "open= all streams with lower IDs". Suppose that the adversarial client opens str= eam 5, and then stream 1000005. Are you going to open 1 million streams? Wi= ll that not have a significant impact on server performance?

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The current draft-= 01 with limit on concurrent active streams which the receiver announces to = the sender. So the receiver will drop the stream or the connection if the l= imit is exceeded. However, there are race conditions. So the new proposal i= s for the receiver to annouce the maximum id accepted. It can increase this= as older streams are being closed. Both of these view points assumes that streams are like toilet paper so to = speak, you just pull the next available. However, if you have an applicatio= n that wants to assign semantics to the stream id, then things get problema= tic. For example you might want to download download profile images for the= nearest 10000 connections in a social network. Either you have to associat= e a profile with each stream, and then the stream is not a simple image, or= you assume that the stream id maps to a profile index. Then you set max st= ream to 10100 and add 100 to the profile index and keep the lower streams f= or special purposes. Then you 10000 streams concurrently. Though not by mal= icous intent, a server might overwhelm the client. So it might want to lim= it the number of concurrent streams even if the limit is set higher. But th= ere is no way to do this with fixed limit solution, and with the concurrent= solution you are forced to send the lower identifiers first, which could b= e fine. But if you later have stream 10000 - 20000 for dripping activity fe= eds, concurrency wont work. These scenarios are essentially not supported by QUIC. You could multiplex = activity feeds over fewer streams. --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/435#issuecomment-293971954= ----==_mimepart_58efb8df8a5e7_1b1a3fd5598fdc341456da Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

There are two solutions currently going as I understand. The current dra= ft-01 with limit on concurrent active streams which the receiver announces = to the sender. So the receiver will drop the stream or the connection if th= e limit is exceeded. However, there are race conditions. So the new proposa= l is for the receiver to annouce the maximum id accepted. It can increase t= his as older streams are being closed.

Both of these view points assumes that streams are like toilet paper so = to speak, you just pull the next available. However, if you have an applica= tion that wants to assign semantics to the stream id, then things get probl= ematic. For example you might want to download download profile images for = the nearest 10000 connections in a social network. Either you have to assoc= iate a profile with each stream, and then the stream is not a simple image,= or you assume that the stream id maps to a profile index. Then you set max= stream to 10100 and add 100 to the profile index and keep the lower stream= s for special purposes. Then you 10000 streams concurrently. Though not by = malicous intent, a server might overwhelm the client. So it might want to = limit the number of concurrent streams even if the limit is set higher. But= there is no way to do this with fixed limit solution, and with the concurr= ent solution you are forced to send the lower identifiers first, which coul= d be fine. But if you later have stream 10000 - 20000 for dripping activity= feeds, concurrency wont work.

These scenarios are essentially not supported by QUIC. You could multipl= ex activity feeds over fewer streams.

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Reviewing Issue #181 and PR #236, it seems like having the SETTINGS
frame on Stream #3 creates a bunch of odd race conditions, because
you need to send data (both in 0-RTT and 1-RTT) before you might
get the SETTINGS frame.

It occurs to me that we might easily be able to remove this by
moving the SETTINGS frame into the handshake. Specifically the
ClientHello and the EncryptedExtensions.

If we did this, there would be no need for defaults, because:

  • In 1-RTT, you would be guaranteed of getting it before you
    could write
  • It would not be possible to have a 0-RTT context without
    SETTINGS.

Moreover, the server's 1-RTT settings frames would clearly
apply to the 1-RTT data, but not the 0-RTT data.

It seems like the major downsides of this are:

  • Layer violation
  • You don't get confidentiality for the client's settings
    (but you do gain a full RTT).

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----==_mimepart_58efbdf324f1f_2a5c3f9ffe23dc2c11287-- From nobody Thu Apr 13 11:35:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 219661315D0 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 11:35:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NCfOP7cFxVhJ for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 11:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D1651315CD for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 11:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 11:35:17 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1492108517; bh=RJ5v/XRkaytRZPBJUsc3jZufwxdBh5/sVKyTbsrjKNc=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=rzHmEUVxCC1Srp/Bg0wrEL+Qdex0IOEarKqSAAgi9zLk6iCN139BGzZIzSdl+PsOK /AZcyvKDi1Lss6IHXLTk6/Ug76NZXPE70f4gE7OSN2MMBCTWgr8MKbgXwSClpChDwL YYVXUVjiKwt52LXMf9wEptk7ZSG85lX9kYe5q1iE= From: huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stream ID sequential order may create head of queue blocking (#435) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58efc4e59a14f_39a33f86ab131c3c2097b9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 18:35:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58efc4e59a14f_39a33f86ab131c3c2097b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK. I get that we clients are supposed to abide by the "concurrent stream limit" set by the server, and that will prevent silly stream openings. On the other hand, I get it now, after reading the draft several times. Which means that at minimum there is a documentation problem. 1) The "concurrent stream limit" transport parameter is first mentioned in section 7.3.1. Transport Parameter Definitions. Except that it is called "concurrent streams" in 7.3.1, and then referred to as "concurrent stream limit" in the rest of the document. I suggest updating 7.3.1 so the parameter is called "concurrent stream limit". 2) The text in section 10.2 is hard to read. The first line of the last paragraph says "All streams, including stream 1, count toward this limit." But what "this" points to is undefined. I propose to rewrite that to "All streams, including stream 1, count toward the concurrent stream limit." Maybe with a forward pointer to the next section. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/435#issuecomment-293985549 ----==_mimepart_58efc4e59a14f_39a33f86ab131c3c2097b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

OK. I get that we clients are supposed to abide by the "concurrent str= eam limit" set by the server, and that will prevent silly stream openings= . On the other hand, I get it now, after reading the draft several times.= Which means that at minimum there is a documentation problem.

  1. The "concurrent stream limit" transport parameter is first mentioned i= n section 7.3.1. Transport Parameter Definitions. Except that it is call= ed "concurrent streams" in 7.3.1, and then referred to as "concurrent str= eam limit" in the rest of the document. I suggest updating 7.3.1 so the p= arameter is called "concurrent stream limit".

  2. The text in section 10.2 is hard to read. The first line of the last p= aragraph says "All streams, including stream 1, count toward this limit."= But what "this" points to is undefined. I propose to rewrite that to "Al= l streams, including stream 1, count toward the concurrent stream limit."= Maybe with a forward pointer to the next section.

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This is breaking in the Makefile sanity checks.

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Also, It might be nice to write something about stream number attacks = in the Security section. For example, if an implementation just picks a v= ery large value for the concurrent stream limit, it might be subject to d= enial of service attacks.

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----==_mimepart_58efefd19ca4e_6a0e3fbcc4703c38350979-- From nobody Thu Apr 13 14:38:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8CCE12EB39 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 14:38:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.161 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.161 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_SPF_HELO_TEMPERROR=0.01, T_SPF_TEMPERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sKlzThKS2lEl for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 14:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69ED112778E for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 14:38:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=WNQJv2gLg7b7HQzjp9o/Y+cqUfA=; b=tnBcHXI+H4T5c4MH drgHpAER0ewWZqQ3FejomaMIHYwlaeNpPcHCQ/zj56PgSQkMfMHlDnVZSJvbE+zs C5E+dGLQ2T3QzcVEaAo6bGPDq9sPWfwHxpcSIqlVtpoU4h4BfUDaBEEMAv/hw1oP jDoxy6gzuQPS5PMGAWzTDf3q/xw= Received: by filter0406p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0406p1mdw1-9343-58EFEFD1-1B 2017-04-13 21:38:25.463688475 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id rkBp9heBQqC1qt8rrmD8xw for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 21:38:25.409 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 14:38:25 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] StreamID versus Stream ID (#422) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58efefd145511_53983fcd5bb53c3c127998"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0nXE8GZbox89VQlHnQf2jDCQSp76D58MOmIN LAc0M+6AeVxB7+ZV2qfbdeH/Xbcboa9zptNG2dByp5oB1vmE3hxDPsCJMm9fHI44yAJtadXsBQFgqD 3F300qM/1qAtYRYJ0AH0U9XDaelZV+2V/AFM7bKrkElqOg/pCluS+rcwx8e7CvbmUal++vfTi8twFh A= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 21:38:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58efefd145511_53983fcd5bb53c3c127998 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #422 via #431. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/422#event-1042654031 ----==_mimepart_58efefd145511_53983fcd5bb53c3c127998 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Closed #422 via #431.

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Sorry, I fixed it directly before I saw you had this one. Same change.

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@MikeBishop approved this pull request.

LGTM, modulo nits.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  These bits are parsed as follows:
 
-* The leftmost bit must be set to 1, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+* The first two bit must be set to 11, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.

bits, not bit

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-* The first two bits must be set to 01 indicating that this is an ACK frame.
+* The first two bits must be set to 101 indicating that this is an ACK frame.

three bits

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----==_mimepart_58eff08ad3192_545d3faaac2b9c387665d-- From nobody Thu Apr 13 14:52:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F24ED129BCD for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 14:52:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eL8DFiQQtucr for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 14:52:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1B60127601 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 14:52:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 14:52:10 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1492120330; bh=T9Xi70v3L7782CXIW/z27GqwPu/0HnjJ0lOAqM6LNnw=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=wdnJqtGDhMQk1q+qZDE32WoPtjPbY+1Ppj9hLlqY+nzFN2ZxlSsidtKSmsAVUKFRW vYeyA7F/9SiwAh98PWQQTNZ4nqhNQ4YfijjARoJ4opudf3a7/2w/Xxj8N4eHbktIvM sZRi9ckL/SDE9+C0B6c1K2Fef3KcjJFC7Q3DkkBQ= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add LIMIT_UPDATE and replaces concurrent stream limit (#421) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58eff30a10692_225d3fa06b511c38114329"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 21:52:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58eff30a10692_225d3fa06b511c38114329 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I'd typically say you add a flag, but QUIC embeds flags into the frame type, so a frame with one flag is equivalent to two frames. We could pick another sentinel value for Stream ID (0xFFFFFFFF?), but that wastes quite a few bytes (since the window is 64 bits and you'll never need more than 32 to state a stream limit. We could state the stream limit in each WINDOW_UPDATE frame, perhaps. I don't have data on how quickly one changes versus the other. Given that we have two levels of flow control and stream flow control seems likely to update more quickly than open streams, that seems wasteful as well. What we _could_ perhaps do is remove the Stream 0 sentinel value from WINDOW_UPDATE and have a separate frame for connection flow control that gave you both a new max byte count and max stream ID in one shot. That's a larger change, but if it's appealing to folks...? What gets hairy there is that we say to ignore a WINDOW/LIMIT_UPDATE that doesn't increase what you're allowed; by having two values in one frame, you make it possible to send invalid combinations. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/421#issuecomment-294031346 ----==_mimepart_58eff30a10692_225d3fa06b511c38114329 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well, I'd typically say you add a flag, but QUIC embeds flags into the= frame type, so a frame with one flag is equivalent to two frames. We co= uld pick another sentinel value for Stream ID (0xFFFFFFFF?), but that was= tes quite a few bytes (since the window is 64 bits and you'll never need = more than 32 to state a stream limit.

We could state the stream limit in each WINDOW_UPDATE frame, perhaps. = I don't have data on how quickly one changes versus the other. Given th= at we have two levels of flow control and stream flow control seems likel= y to update more quickly than open streams, that seems wasteful as well.<= /p>

What we could perhaps do is remove the Stream 0 sentinel valu= e from WINDOW_UPDATE and have a separate frame for connection flow contro= l that gave you both a new max byte count and max stream ID in one shot. = That's a larger change, but if it's appealing to folks...?

What gets hairy there is that we say to ignore a WINDOW/LIMIT_UPDATE t= hat doesn't increase what you're allowed; by having two values in one fra= me, you make it possible to send invalid combinations.

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No worries. It's important it be fixed, not that I bump up my contribution stats.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop commented on this pull request. > @@ -1599,6 +1601,32 @@ Final offset: data written on this stream by the RST_STREAM sender. + + +## DISINTEREST Frame {#frame-disinterest} + +An endpoint may use a DISINTEREST frame (type=0x08) to communicate that incoming +data is being discarded on receipt at application request. This signals a peer +to abruptly terminate transmission on a stream. The frame is as follows: + +~~~ + 0 1 2 3 + 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Error Code (32) | I think you're right -- the point of DISINTEREST is that sender's data channel remains open, so it can communicate any reasons it might have there. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/171#discussion_r111497729 ----==_mimepart_58eff6baac7c5_6df73fd6885ebc3c805aa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1599,6 +1601,32 @@ Final offset:
   data written on this stream by the RST_STREAM sender.
 
 
+
+
+## DISINTEREST Frame {#frame-disinterest}
+
+An endpoint may use a DISINTEREST frame (type=0x08) to communicate that incoming
+data is being discarded on receipt at application request.  This signals a peer
+to abruptly terminate transmission on a stream.  The frame is as follows:
+
+~~~
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                        Error Code (32)                        |

I think you're right -- the point of DISINTEREST is that sender's data channel remains open, so it can communicate any reasons it might have there.

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This typically +indicates that the receiving application is no longer reading from the stream +and all future data will be discarded upon receipt. + +STREAM frames received after sending DISINTEREST are still counted toward the +connection and stream flow-control windows. Even though these frames will be +discarded, because they are sent before their sender receives the DISINTEREST, +the sender will consider the frames to count against its flow-control windows. + +Upon receipt of a DISINTEREST frame, an endpoint SHOULD send a RST_STREAM with +an error code of QUIC_RECEIVED_RST. If the DISINTEREST frame is received on a +stream that is already in the "half-closed (local)" or "closed" states, a +RST_STREAM frame SHOULD still be sent and retransmission of previously-sent +STREAM frames SHOULD be cancelled. It kind of _is_ squishy, at least in my mind. DISINTEREST is a courtesy notification that your data is being ignored, so you might as well stop sending it. Converting that to a MUST is to put more semantics on it than I had intended. Notably, this is also hard behavior to verify in a peer -- you'd have to look for STREAM frames in a later packet than the ACK of the DISINTEREST, I suppose. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/171#discussion_r111498876 ----==_mimepart_58eff8cdb421b_7f613fc7278c1c382006ee Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +If an endpoint is no longer interested in the data being received, it MAY send a
+DISINTEREST frame on a stream in the "open" or "half-closed (local)" state to
+request closure of the stream in the opposite direction.  This typically
+indicates that the receiving application is no longer reading from the stream
+and all future data will be discarded upon receipt.
+
+STREAM frames received after sending DISINTEREST are still counted toward the
+connection and stream flow-control windows.  Even though these frames will be
+discarded, because they are sent before their sender receives the DISINTEREST,
+the sender will consider the frames to count against its flow-control windows.
+
+Upon receipt of a DISINTEREST frame, an endpoint SHOULD send a RST_STREAM with
+an error code of QUIC_RECEIVED_RST.  If the DISINTEREST frame is received on a
+stream that is already in the "half-closed (local)" or "closed" states, a
+RST_STREAM frame SHOULD still be sent and retransmission of previously-sent
+STREAM frames SHOULD be cancelled.

It kind of is squishy, at least in my mind. DISINTEREST is a courtesy notification that your data is being ignored, so you might as well stop sending it. Converting that to a MUST is to put more semantics on it than I had intended. Notably, this is also hard behavior to verify in a peer -- you'd have to look for STREAM frames in a later packet than the ACK of the DISINTEREST, I suppose.

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----==_mimepart_58eff93163b38_6ac33fa346011c3c9440-- From nobody Thu Apr 13 15:18:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDA6F12EB2B for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 15:18:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=michbish=microsoft.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eM1t15KtltnX for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 15:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m69-170.mailgun.net (m69-170.mailgun.net [166.78.69.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 085AB127369 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 15:18:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1492121903; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=w0p2lIj7reknVIlABZQZqLJS5EksUa9EHouHQ4iG3v4=; b=KlmQ9ZVGp9MLHWH6cdmSfOZiS1arbQRuRd3zczK7Rf9R+i+6Wm/kwyXLJly/jN7QfFqoGWG8 YcLzgkQF6bhm4NJ2C8Pwm9O3/irf5TQ8OjE58EnLV5BrYIA2FhUApCXh1QWX3Ua2If6kk7Fo qfTXQoMu0HR2GtkpZEzHmcS22zo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=V9OCPYVOZUYEzbNA6Kxx78Fmo0zeW59IehqGFI3P3w31l2fXlO0+9Mt4Gfc/dji2DhX+kb deG/FyfjPrCqQcjyosOZQBieCvnDjML7uehJSOmAtcLO04sJE8zgx3Ed2TrR0IidLxGRQeYD LBxnCD5Nj1DDXSuYshClC13vMWeU4= Sender: michbish=microsoft.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.170 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.34]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 58eff92f.7f0d201e0480-smtp-out-n01; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 22:18:23 -0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 15:18:23 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: Mike Bishop To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <58eff92ff37a_4a3a3f97badbbc3084951@hookshot-fe2-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] b84dc8: The client Finished message can't be protected wit... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_58eff92fea23_4a3a3f97badbbc3084815"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 22:18:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58eff92fea23_4a3a3f97badbbc3084815 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/request_rst Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: b84dc86ac4bcff93654b01483ce6e9dc67856516 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b84dc86ac4bcff93654b01483ce6e9dc67856516 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-02-23 (Thu, 23 Feb 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- The client Finished message can't be protected with 1-RTT keys Commit: ef7f5c3740ade2150bd6673f0f514b13ed5843d7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ef7f5c3740ade2150bd6673f0f514b13ed5843d7 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-02-24 (Fri, 24 Feb 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Add a section on what to do when unprotecting a packet fails (hint: throw it away) Commit: da610a0be9b5ab4b5469c7b0827e588afa4e25b9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/da610a0be9b5ab4b5469c7b0827e588afa4e25b9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-03-02 (Thu, 02 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Deal with bad key phase changes somehow Commit: 1a711c43b2008fa1f012b6146e0ca6c40c0fb78d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1a711c43b2008fa1f012b6146e0ca6c40c0fb78d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove QUIC_OVERLAPPING_STREAM_DATA Closes #146 Commit: ae252cd70efe8b4a8a97273d0b662fe406de4bcd https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ae252cd70efe8b4a8a97273d0b662fe406de4bcd Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Send a TLS alert when TLS encounters an error Also rationalize the TLS error messages, which means removing most of them. Closes #272 Commit: 8e0100ef1d8f6f744f729ebcd8664b9f31749b3b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8e0100ef1d8f6f744f729ebcd8664b9f31749b3b Author: ianswett Date: 2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Move references to RFC5827 to text (#375) * Move references to RFC5827 to text Commit: 1065da6fbf9e3730043b9887174b34d42c07dc1f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1065da6fbf9e3730043b9887174b34d42c07dc1f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Flow control accounting uses the maximum data offset on each stream Also, scales the connection-level flow control window by 1024 Closes #370, #340. Commit: 8e1011fd6dfa01d7611ecddf88a21588c2f1b86d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8e1011fd6dfa01d7611ecddf88a21588c2f1b86d Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Partial commit of new header format Commit: f91752ed0091ed063cf7ec97770326e0795127db https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f91752ed0091ed063cf7ec97770326e0795127db Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Everything except connection ID. Commit: e8a8746b0ac644b947c39453ede760503d36c536 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e8a8746b0ac644b947c39453ede760503d36c536 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Connection ID added. Commit: 3fae9493fc6ac8236444406916a0d90880ac41cb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3fae9493fc6ac8236444406916a0d90880ac41cb Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Two key phases for long headers Commit: f6fdbd6ab2fdac5183cc855358fa8db9f20993f6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f6fdbd6ab2fdac5183cc855358fa8db9f20993f6 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Nits. Commit: 033002c90dcd0b270db2b20f77577fbe90b1bc36 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/033002c90dcd0b270db2b20f77577fbe90b1bc36 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Clarifications. Commit: 4f1deab16b33620c6c999bf08b58c87153988e00 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4f1deab16b33620c6c999bf08b58c87153988e00 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Public reset proof not optional. Commit: 6744a7edd3b8dc959f104095ad7711897ac668b9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6744a7edd3b8dc959f104095ad7711897ac668b9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix formatting of long- and short-form headers Commit: a02c15eaabde5d8e8dc92e35c06f19183940c2b2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a02c15eaabde5d8e8dc92e35c06f19183940c2b2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add version specific fields to short form Commit: caa179a945ef45487cebd8689f061ed86a9bc7d8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/caa179a945ef45487cebd8689f061ed86a9bc7d8 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Nits. Commit: a2e14125b0fc602a8f919d78ba29c2622d51705a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a2e14125b0fc602a8f919d78ba29c2622d51705a Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- addresses ekr and ianswett comments Commit: f9cd441d869b5e23c6c47170af5f5cb5dee1a07b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f9cd441d869b5e23c6c47170af5f5cb5dee1a07b Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- addresses mikebishop's and mt's comments Commit: e44463d75e02cf16322d6f00db27116ce88e60f1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e44463d75e02cf16322d6f00db27116ce88e60f1 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #361 from quicwg/header Long and short packet header Commit: 3b6cf4f202884282d26fa8f0882a76077bd21b98 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3b6cf4f202884282d26fa8f0882a76077bd21b98 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M .gitignore Log Message: ----------- Don't ignore TLS draft...? Commit: f99e4fe1421f97a7705e0096a634d90058122bc0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f99e4fe1421f97a7705e0096a634d90058122bc0 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Some formatting and wording fixes to the new headers Commit: b4135028369386d77cade9810e1256b395b7b566 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b4135028369386d77cade9810e1256b395b7b566 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- What's a VERSION flag? Commit: 6052645935a7fafad4e37a77d684ec640f0fdfd5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6052645935a7fafad4e37a77d684ec640f0fdfd5 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Why didn't my local build catch that? Commit: fb12f13136436001db4c53550a9088cb73869dfd https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fb12f13136436001db4c53550a9088cb73869dfd Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-03-10 (Fri, 10 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M .gitignore Log Message: ----------- Remove tls doc from the ignore. Commit: fe4ae43733dfb6bdc2388640869affccaebf155b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fe4ae43733dfb6bdc2388640869affccaebf155b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-03-10 (Fri, 10 Mar 2017) Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #379 from quicwg/tls-ignored Don't ignore TLS draft...? Commit: c1c1b43155a278459d9023e23cd961fe1caad132 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c1c1b43155a278459d9023e23cd961fe1caad132 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reword version-independent, version-specific discussion Commit: 9730de1e1477788334d931cdb1cc8ffdf9f21e0a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9730de1e1477788334d931cdb1cc8ffdf9f21e0a Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- ACK means all frames processed; closed means all frames ACK'd Commit: 8248c503279c65376937d341f55b8c20b933f0be https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8248c503279c65376937d341f55b8c20b933f0be Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-03-10 (Fri, 10 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Review comments Commit: e82c05b75139a744b4fb538a665cd101e95241de https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e82c05b75139a744b4fb538a665cd101e95241de Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-03-10 (Fri, 10 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #380 from quicwg/header_fix Mostly-minor header touchups Commit: 9c1d413780a50f27fe381c4b2e63bf60384d121c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9c1d413780a50f27fe381c4b2e63bf60384d121c Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Martin's feedback Commit: e7820698f3d7290d2120de8d7e328420432c77f9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e7820698f3d7290d2120de8d7e328420432c77f9 Author: seanturner Date: 2017-03-09 (Thu, 09 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Being nitpikcy about which connection and alert. 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This still makes it possible to use the two-bit FF format: `` so the resulting encoding would be "11FFOOSS". Another approach is to have separate TRIM/GAP frames: - "0011OOSS" GAP/TRIM frame with 2 byte data len and no payload. - "0010OOSS" MSG frame - always has a 1 byte length field encoding 1..256 bytes of payload. A MSG frame is in most ways to be treated like a STREAM frame except it cannot end a stream, and it segments a stream into synchronization points useful when GAPS can be present. It is also more compact for short messages sent periodically. A message can be continued with ordinary STREAM frames, a GAP frame, or a stream frame with FIN set. If a message contains GAP frames, content up to next message, or to FIN may be multiple conflated messages. It is up to the application and stream policy to decide how to discard data or make sense of this. A MSG can never start with a GAP. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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With the latest change to the frame format, STREAM frames now have the= format "11FDOOSS".
This still makes it possible to use the two-bit FF format: <FF:(= MARK | FIN | MORE | GAP)> so the resulting encoding would be "1= 1FFOOSS".

Another approach is to have separate TRIM/GAP frames:

  • "0011OOSS" GAP/TRIM frame with 2 byte data len and no payload.
  • "0010OOSS" MSG frame - always has a 1 byte length field encoding 1..2= 56 bytes of payload.

A MSG frame is in most ways to be treated like a STREAM frame except i= t cannot end a stream, and it segments a stream into synchronization poin= ts useful when GAPS can be present. It is also more compact for short mes= sages sent periodically.

A message can be continued with ordinary STREAM frames, a GAP frame, o= r a stream frame with FIN set. If a message contains GAP frames, content = up to next message, or to FIN may be multiple conflated messages. It is u= p to the application and stream policy to decide how to discard data or m= ake sense of this. A MSG can never start with a GAP.

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A read provides an empty iov vector the gets populated with network buffers that will remain valid until the reader calls flush_read for the affected range. The write flush is always ordered, but the read flush need not flush everything in order, but must respect buffer boundaries. A partial reliable interface allows a writer to set mark 1 or 0 to indicate a buffer ends with a message separator (could also be start of buffer, not sure). A reader receives a similar array of marks, and a separate array to indicate which buffers are gaps. The reader also provide a list of offsets, which are sorted, but may have missing ranges. These ranges will always be filled in during later reads, possibly with a gap. Stream policy can decide more precisely how delivery is organized. In addition there is a poll interface on the connection to get events associated with streams, such as end of stream. Not shown. ``` int quic_stream_readv(struct quic_stream *sp, struct iovec *iov, int iovcnt); ssize_t quic_stream_writev(struct quic_stream *sp, const struct iovec *iov, int iovcnt); int quic_stream_readv_partial(struct quic_stream *sp, struct iovec *iov, uint64_t *offset, int *status, int iovcnt); ssize_t quic_stream_writev_partial(struct quic_stream *sp, const struct iovec *iov, int *mark, int iovcnt); uint64_t quic_stream_get_write_flush_offset(struct quic_stream *sp); int quic_stream_flush_read(struct quic_stream *sp, uint64_t offset, uint64_t len); ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/433#issuecomment-294199475 ----==_mimepart_58f109e8cd509_51b23fc25dc4dc2c1068b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

To illustrate a zero copy API that can deal with partially reliable stre= ams:

Ordinary zero copy without partial reliability:
A writer can write buffers which must remain valid until the write_flush_of= fset has advanced past the the affected buffers. A read provides an empty = iov vector the gets populated with network buffers that will remain valid u= ntil the reader calls flush_read for the affected range. The write flush is= always ordered, but the read flush need not flush everything in order, but= must respect buffer boundaries.

A partial reliable interface allows a writer to set mark 1 or 0 to indic= ate a buffer ends with a message separator (could also be start of buffer, = not sure). A reader receives a similar array of marks, and a separate array= to indicate which buffers are gaps. The reader also provide a list of offs= ets, which are sorted, but may have missing ranges. These ranges will alway= s be filled in during later reads, possibly with a gap. Stream policy can d= ecide more precisely how delivery is organized.

In addition there is a poll interface on the connection to get events as= sociated with streams, such as end of stream. Not shown.

int quic_stream_readv(struct quic_stream *sp,
        struct iovec *iov, int iovcnt);

ssize_t quic_stream_writev(struct quic_stream *sp,
        const struct iovec *iov, int iovcnt);

int quic_stream_readv_partial(struct quic_stream *sp,
        struct iovec *iov, uint64_t *offset, int *status, int iovcnt);

ssize_t quic_stream_writev_partial(struct quic_stream *sp,
        const struct iovec *iov, int *mark, int iovcnt);

uint64_t quic_stream_get_write_flush_offset(struct quic_stream *sp);

int quic_stream_flush_read(struct quic_stream *sp,
        uint64_t offset, uint64_t len);

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To make encoding more robust to loss, it is probably best if the end a= nd not the start is encoded, because if message is complete it cannot be = concluded before the next message is sent. This was considered in the ori= ginal GTT/FF proposal, but the MSG frame does not handle this. The api sh= ould probably have a status on readv that tells both if a buffer starts a= nd/or ends a message or if it is a gap.

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It is quite difficult to track if it is valid for peer to initiate a str= eam. Even if you have a limit of, say, 10 concurrent streams, the peer stre= ams might be stream id 2, 6, 100006, 100008. If you then see a stream id of= 8, or stream id 100004, you have no idea if the stream was closed or a val= id new stream unless you remember all previously opened streams, which is n= ot feasible in praxis. Assuming streams only exists in a limited range won'= t work, because stream id 1 obviously cannot conform to that.

In addition, the requirement that streams must be opened in sequential o= rder is vague. Does this mean the next higher value, or any value higher th= an previous? This is important if you use packet sequences or time to attem= pt to constrain the window where you track closed streams. It is also impor= tant if you use a interval set because you can issue an error if the set gr= ows large, but only if by sequential in the strict sense.

This problem is largely the same whether you use a concurrency limit or = a fixed upper stream id limit because eventually that limit will have a hig= h value.

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According to life of a stream, a stream can transition from "half closed local" to "closed" by sending a "RST" or by receiving "FIN" or "RST" from peer. However, sending a "RST" may race ahead of any in-flight packets send to the peer. In fact this is likely because the stream will transmit according to a fair schedule while RST will likely be prioritised. The RST will tear down state on both ends preventing the peer from receiving and the local endpont from retransmitting (depending on implementation).

In addition to the above there is also a user aspect. QUIC does not define an API, but what does it mean to close a stream? Do you close the write stream or do you close both read and write stream? This can encoded as either sending "FIN" or "FIN+RST" but has the race condition mentioned. When cleaning up after a stream initiated locally, it appears you need to always eventually send a RST even if the peer has no interest in writing. Application protocol could agree to not require a RST, but that seems a bit roundabout.

Perhaps it is saner to handle read and write streams entirely separately.
#175

The issue may also be related to:
#61

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Christian Huitema notes a few potential attacks that we don't cover properly:

  1. Stream smurfing attack. Client (or server) opens a large number of streams by sending stream data frames with new stream number and minimal content.

  2. Stream choke attack. Client sends request on a stream, then use stream level flow control to choke the transmission by the server. Apply to many parallel streams for bonus effect.

  3. Silly stream number attack. Client opens stream 2*N+1 for some outlandish version of N. Might play havoc with server management of incoming streams.

  4. Stream drop by drop attack. Client sends data on a stream extremely slowly, maybe 1 byte at a time. Server spin its wheels waiting for data.

I don't think that these are controversial. Most are already well-known, we just need text for them.

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----==_mimepart_58f59e7b333b6_c6b3fa9cf79bc341436a8-- From nobody Mon Apr 17 22:09:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 715A0129423 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2017 22:09:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25ICMt7dO0bo for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2017 22:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF8301292D3 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2017 22:09:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 22:09:10 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1492492150; bh=6RuzZ3NZdYKOQXnCuxyAuWvftX9zZPpLbAPuwOomF4s=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=DrJXW7tQGZpTMt1KXOfOso9lhAs+KepmRQ1i9pswezB2ovRA45TDBygdv4ZdCe8sE leAwM1kToRhWfRGG9PiQzIqVIBzzs49NA4vaAnSkktzgCw6Y2iR8gi98DiDzDbvnHU R4yI5EYT1fRkItdTOfGXYfkq6sSeQzTOsWXTia5o= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Port 443 and IANA ports (#428) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58f59f762e2be_733e3f95a259fc3c1452cc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 05:09:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58f59f762e2be_733e3f95a259fc3c1452cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that both @ianswett and @larseggert covered this. It will be HTTP on port 443. However, we should try to officially claim that registration, or at least acknowledge it. #424 suggests a very different outcome. It suggests that 443 is at best a convenience, and at worst a horrible error on the part of Google. On the latter, that would be because the ossification has already happened (I'm not sure if this is true, or that the choice of 443 was unwise, but you can see the logic that leads to that conclusion). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/428#issuecomment-294680757 ----==_mimepart_58f59f762e2be_733e3f95a259fc3c1452cc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think that both @ianswett and @larseggert covered this. It will be HTTP on po= rt 443. However, we should try to officially claim that registration, or= at least acknowledge it.

#424 suggest= s a very different outcome. It suggests that 443 is at best a convenienc= e, and at worst a horrible error on the part of Google. On the latter, t= hat would be because the ossification has already happened (I'm not sure = if this is true, or that the choice of 443 was unwise, but you can see th= e logic that leads to that conclusion).

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Marking this as editorial. We have protections against attacks like this (stream 10 being opened causes 2, 4, 6, and 8 to open). It's just not consistently documented. That fix was added relatively recently.

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  1. is not really an attack. We have the maximum concurrent stream limit (or= maybe soon a maximum Stream ID). There's no way to allocate more state tha= n a peer committed to by advertising a certain limit.

  2. Streams must be opened in sequential order. If an imple= mentation follows that rule, the maximum concurrent stream limit takes care= of the rest.

  3. I don't think this a new attack, and setting reasonable flow control win= dows mitigates it. In fact, filling the advertised flow control window with= data, but leaving out a single byte at the beginning of the window is a mo= re effective version of this attack.

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This is related to #17= 5, but not #61. Th= e current requirement is that the FIN or RST is also acknowledged. That me= ans that you DON'T have to send a RST, you simply retransmit the FIN until = you get an acknowledgment.

You are right to observe that the consequences of the FIN are not obviou= s. If both FIN and RST are acknowledged and you don't have a timestamp for= the receipt (and processing) of those packets, then you don't know which h= ad effect first: was the whole stream delivered or not?

FWIW, I have been very careful to use close to mean FIN, and reset to me= an RST. A RST is reserved for error conditions (including aborts) and will= not guarantee any delivery of any data. A FIN would be used under normal = conditions and would result in data being delivered. Sending FIN would lik= ely correspond to closing the write stream in a bi-directional stream API. = RST corresponds to killing the read-write pair.

Not sure what to do with this issue; it's the sort of thing that might h= ave been better sent as a question to the = mailing list.

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----==_mimepart_58f5a5a16e04c_5f6b3f9507c6dc302131e3-- From nobody Mon Apr 17 22:48:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F5012947B for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2017 22:48:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.397 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.397 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UH31580_VwWK for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2017 22:48:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CFBA712947A for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2017 22:48:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=FB1kHg8/BWyDAtl3dzKqp55i8+c=; b=qj5VKz4IdOjJ2oKX hhlTBPVqHyXSqjMcYWZKuinOQywdTK6kAFF12v326RGlb+uHrcKl5S4rTjCMB+3s 2IcHs7QpFjMvdYMyYpCKgcUhleL6rVmkQVN7/qBvzRwAJsg4tiSBX3LfhIgM1lps hsVFdpXx48cwbLd23BDksOFr88s= Received: by filter0501p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0501p1mdw1-15713-58F5A8AC-2B 2017-04-18 05:48:28.461216174 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id wtt465zkSfWQzKYy2ag-BA for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 05:48:28.453 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 22:48:28 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Known attacks (#440) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58f5a8ac5103b_5bd3f9507c6dc30102990"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1Z7BQVrI6Ft9IRyDkCAGpcqjJRuh+cQLC2qW SAs8dh8UhmHaX0LoqfG9a2qmPRl3uMtUYkyWbONTJo9Gj7Dod5eEU5WPmIDlWnxWPmlWmW6GB3885T 0O/PPHMM4+YKV41uqSsZ5Yk3lqNGBGH3+lpNTv1cG2E7Le3zQBKkPq1KtVL/qb7IbbLnxxGZkC+9Uj U= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 05:48:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58f5a8ac5103b_5bd3f9507c6dc30102990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just copied these down, but yes, I agree that most of these reduce to slow loris. On number 3, I think that the attack here is against people who over-commit receive buffers. As you say, sending all but the first byte causes the memory to be committed in practice as opposed to in theory (a state that some implementations rely on). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/440#issuecomment-294693013 ----==_mimepart_58f5a8ac5103b_5bd3f9507c6dc30102990 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I just copied these down, but yes, I agree that most of these reduce to = slow loris. On number 3, I think that the attack here is against people wh= o over-commit receive buffers. As you say, sending all but the first byte = causes the memory to be committed in practice as opposed to in theory (a st= ate that some implementations rely on).

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@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

How does this interact with GOAWAY? I don't think that it does, but it might remove the need for GOAWAY in some cases.

Can an endpoint declare that they are blocked (with BLOCKED) on concurrent stream limits?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -788,6 +788,7 @@ explained in more detail as they are referenced later in the document.
 | 0x04             |  WINDOW_UPDATE     | {{frame-window-update}}    |
 | 0x05             |  BLOCKED           | {{frame-blocked}}          |
 | 0x07             |  PING              | {{frame-ping}}             |
+| 0x08             |  LIMIT_UPDATE      | {{frame-limit-update}}     |

I really don't like this name. (I don't like WINDOW_UPDATE either). How about MAX_STREAM_ID.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 Endpoints MUST NOT exceed the limit set by their peer.  An endpoint that
-receives a STREAM frame that causes its advertised concurrent stream limit to be
-exceeded MUST treat this as a stream error of type QUIC_TOO_MANY_OPEN_STREAMS
-({{error-handling}}).
-
+receives a STREAM frame with an ID greater than the limit it has sent MUST treat
+this as a stream error of type QUIC_TOO_MANY_OPEN_STREAMS ({{error-handling}}),
+unless this is a result of a change in the initial offsets (see
+{{zerortt-parameters}}).
+
+A Maximum Stream ID of 0 will cause a connection to be unusable.  Application

1 also makes the connection unusable because stream 1 counts.

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This is a really useful feature in h2, it's a shame that we currently don't have any ability to support it in hq.

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I will contact IANA and see what the options are to get the port assigned to QUIC.

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@marten-seemann commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 Endpoints MUST NOT exceed the limit set by their peer.  An endpoint that
-receives a STREAM frame that causes its advertised concurrent stream limit to be
-exceeded MUST treat this as a stream error of type QUIC_TOO_MANY_OPEN_STREAMS
-({{error-handling}}).
-
+receives a STREAM frame with an ID greater than the limit it has sent MUST treat
+this as a stream error of type QUIC_TOO_MANY_OPEN_STREAMS ({{error-handling}}),
+unless this is a result of a change in the initial offsets (see
+{{zerortt-parameters}}).
+
+A Maximum Stream ID of 0 will cause a connection to be unusable.  Application

1 is a valid value. It allows the handshake to complete. The peers can always advertise a higher value later.

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@marten-seemann commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 Endpoints MUST NOT exceed the limit set by their peer.  An endpoint that
-receives a STREAM frame that causes its advertised concurrent stream limit to be
-exceeded MUST treat this as a stream error of type QUIC_TOO_MANY_OPEN_STREAMS
-({{error-handling}}).
-
+receives a STREAM frame with an ID greater than the limit it has sent MUST treat
+this as a stream error of type QUIC_TOO_MANY_OPEN_STREAMS ({{error-handling}}),
+unless this is a result of a change in the initial offsets (see
+{{zerortt-parameters}}).
+
+A Maximum Stream ID of 0 will cause a connection to be unusable.  Application
+protocols that use QUIC might require a certain minimum number of initial
+streams to function correctly.  If a peer advertises an maximum stream ID
+(initial_stream_limit) that is too small for the selected application protocol

I don't it's necessary to define an error condition here.
If the server sets a too small initial_stream_limit, this just means that the client can't immediately open the streams requested by the application, but it has to wait until the server sends a LIMIT_UPDATE.

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 Endpoints MUST NOT exceed the limit set by their peer.  An endpoint that
-receives a STREAM frame that causes its advertised concurrent stream limit to be
-exceeded MUST treat this as a stream error of type QUIC_TOO_MANY_OPEN_STREAMS
-({{error-handling}}).
-
+receives a STREAM frame with an ID greater than the limit it has sent MUST treat
+this as a stream error of type QUIC_TOO_MANY_OPEN_STREAMS ({{error-handling}}),
+unless this is a result of a change in the initial offsets (see
+{{zerortt-parameters}}).
+
+A Maximum Stream ID of 0 will cause a connection to be unusable.  Application

Of course, that is the advantage of this design.

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My concern was related to how you can close the READ stream from the r= eceiving end. It is correct that FIN ACK can be used to avoid the race co= ndition by delaying a RST, but you still need to issue a RST unless you a= re willing to commit state until peer sends a FIN. In other words, there = is no simple way to close a read stream.

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Thanks. Yes that seems to address the issue, though it still appear to me semantics could be cleaned up a bit. So I am closing this one.

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There are still unclear issues:
For example, a server may send 1000 images with client gradually sending ST= REAM_LIMIT updates so it never receives more than 20 images at time. The se= rver is not interested in data from the client at all, so it never updates = STREAM_LIMIT towards the client.

However, now there are 1000 open streams. Even though the server has lon= g forgotten about those streams, the client can now start sending random da= ta on any of those server initiated streams. The server may choose consider= this an error, but this is not easy because it might actually want to rece= ive data on some recent streams anyway, say a progress stream interleaved a= mong the images. So now, which streams are indeed closed and which are not?= The server may send DISINTEREST frames on every stream used to send pictur= es, but that is just needless trafic and state. The application protocol ma= y decide what should happen with each stream. But there is no simple way fo= r the transport layer to enforce when it is reasonable to accept and buffer= data on streams and when not. All of this goes away if we have uni-directi= onal streams, or at least that seems to be case superficially.

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Reopened #439.

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----==_mimepart_58f618a63c6ba_3a633fc2460c7c3412019a-- From nobody Tue Apr 18 07:02:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A243512ECA6 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 07:02:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G3tH5o3yeSji for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 07:02:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F68112EC29 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 07:02:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=2hAQMBvXBR/RZNV9ZncVsdem1dk=; b=sNcGFMr3ObEQmjBi 9PMI9fRkzhr1oRMRuxo0d7ZdcIYaYLzGzN+k1U82JMh2USGkCRaDYZjhkJ3so1Oh LILwXU7mXy+g2g/OahPMsR1F9VElziwFemvc324AA1exXMEC/jctz0b/evFUANmQ O2OHkB+I4MRk8bMvDJoQ+6L1dlc= Received: by filter0444p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0444p1mdw1-18133-58F61C59-21 2017-04-18 14:02:01.207969497 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id jZZoSSIOR8W2kmpiov408g for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 14:02:01.170 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 07:02:01 -0700 From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] A bunch of editorial cleanup. Short summary: (#438) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58f61c591441e_11d53fd6002cfc341039d3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3mM8QdZ0mfD8BYDuyL7MplGv/B6vUc32xovx Cijmxi1WbRRpgAY3NchwDTLR1n6KymZ8wrXA+TX5LyNybGjkzdxyYPTY011wSimrz7O96KpA3v7nDs iR4KWTSYalRd4Iu5wJtTWelP8qHR16MrnzDyC9bjblQDS3e+eDFmpxgIDQ== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 14:02:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58f61c591441e_11d53fd6002cfc341039d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ekr commented on this pull request. > component of QUIC. The same design could work for TLS 1.2, though few of the benefits QUIC provides would be realized due to the handshake latency in versions of TLS prior to 1.3. # Notational Conventions -The words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "SHOULD", and "MAY" are used in this document. -It's not shouting; when they are capitalized, they have the special meaning -defined in {{!RFC2119}}. +The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL +NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "NOT RECOMMENDED", +"MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as +described in BCP 14 {{!RFC2119}}, {{!I-D.leiba-rfc2119-update}} when, and only when, they +appear in all capitals, as shown here. Does this mean you don't want this change, or you are just annoyed that there is a draft on this? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/438#discussion_r111960968 ----==_mimepart_58f61c591441e_11d53fd6002cfc341039d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  component of QUIC.  The same design could work for TLS 1.2, though few of the
 benefits QUIC provides would be realized due to the handshake latency in
 versions of TLS prior to 1.3.
 
 
 # Notational Conventions
 
-The words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "SHOULD", and "MAY" are used in this document.
-It's not shouting; when they are capitalized, they have the special meaning
-defined in {{!RFC2119}}.
+The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL
+NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "NOT RECOMMENDED",
+"MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as
+described in BCP 14 {{!RFC2119}}, {{!I-D.leiba-rfc2119-update}} when, and only when, they
+appear in all capitals, as shown here.

Does this mean you don't want this change, or you are just annoyed that there is a draft on this?

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -190,15 +192,10 @@ TLS connection for use by QUIC.  This keying material is used to derive packet
 protection keys.  Details on how and when keys are derived and used are included
 in {{packet-protection}}.
 
-This arrangement means that some TLS messages receive redundant protection from
-both the QUIC packet protection and the TLS record protection.  These messages
-are limited in number; the TLS connection is rarely needed once the handshake
-completes.

This point is made in #packet-protection

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I think when doing 7540 the http wg decided some kind of grouping was = essential for combining 2 uncoordinated groups into one connection. Proxi= es combining n connections into 1 is one use case, browsers combining n t= abs into one connection is pretty much the same problem.

The implicit unopened stream was probably a mistake, but the 'requirem= ent' still makes sense as something quic would need

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= ----==_mimepart_58f620732c3e1_9e43fd205fe9c3449072-- From nobody Tue Apr 18 09:17:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7670F12EC8A for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 09:17:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u_Czn0_6XU0o for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 09:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BEE5F1293E9 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 09:17:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=wIjjjy2LyoERyi8MViXH2flYb0w=; b=tMh80Qa3gHVuTNZF av6VOAuUTHjRAeErZI+Z2XIKSKAxS5trmTMCAv62UCvLDJZ7iULeUAWj0rE+/Izu 4Il/c73XyYs7GSM0Vu2wHiyY3d9MmNA0F5CVyrPhJTuld+uxosTWXnTwAUHUjFIP 6zOgXWS6fu3GzitqZb+vSvF4E4U= Received: by filter0982p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0982p1mdw1-2080-58F63C18-36 2017-04-18 16:17:28.297852605 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id ES2D1axrS7KmaudoRjpkXw for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 16:17:28.286 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 09:17:28 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add LIMIT_UPDATE and replaces concurrent stream limit (#421) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58f63c18321e3_3b7c3fb6bd8fdc30545d5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak16cqWgfubAl927rStog10KipAyvyth6EQ/O6 Ab46W9Eo6rboMqDs8+9jFHosXtORcOqKK6E9dkai1ISWIAK9YXUPE0l2QwuchQGj2H0LPA6eGyOPak Fnyo5G9Ltf6a3/VxASnxSE2PXUmgPXRT4PKZXgjl4q/4tIoDt2W+nbIduBQUacGft6Yslws4Y21LqA 0= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 16:17:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58f63c18321e3_3b7c3fb6bd8fdc30545d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop commented on this pull request. > Endpoints MUST NOT exceed the limit set by their peer. An endpoint that -receives a STREAM frame that causes its advertised concurrent stream limit to be -exceeded MUST treat this as a stream error of type QUIC_TOO_MANY_OPEN_STREAMS -({{error-handling}}). - +receives a STREAM frame with an ID greater than the limit it has sent MUST treat +this as a stream error of type QUIC_TOO_MANY_OPEN_STREAMS ({{error-handling}}), +unless this is a result of a change in the initial offsets (see +{{zerortt-parameters}}). + +A Maximum Stream ID of 0 will cause a connection to be unusable. Application 1 will likely make any application protocol unusable, either because it requires a control stream to open immediately (HTTP) or because the connection will be unable to serve any requests. However, for something like the "connect and PING" test you proposed for first-interop (maybe ALPN token of "none"?), "1" would be an appropriate value to advertise. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/421#discussion_r111998118 ----==_mimepart_58f63c18321e3_3b7c3fb6bd8fdc30545d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 Endpoints MUST NOT exceed the limit set by their peer.  An endpoint that
-receives a STREAM frame that causes its advertised concurrent stream limit to be
-exceeded MUST treat this as a stream error of type QUIC_TOO_MANY_OPEN_STREAMS
-({{error-handling}}).
-
+receives a STREAM frame with an ID greater than the limit it has sent MUST treat
+this as a stream error of type QUIC_TOO_MANY_OPEN_STREAMS ({{error-handling}}),
+unless this is a result of a change in the initial offsets (see
+{{zerortt-parameters}}).
+
+A Maximum Stream ID of 0 will cause a connection to be unusable.  Application

1 will likely make any application protocol unusable, either because it requires a control stream to open immediately (HTTP) or because the connection will be unable to serve any requests. However, for something like the "connect and PING" test you proposed for first-interop (maybe ALPN token of "none"?), "1" would be an appropriate value to advertise.

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@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 Endpoints MUST NOT exceed the limit set by their peer.  An endpoint that
-receives a STREAM frame that causes its advertised concurrent stream limit to be
-exceeded MUST treat this as a stream error of type QUIC_TOO_MANY_OPEN_STREAMS
-({{error-handling}}).
-
+receives a STREAM frame with an ID greater than the limit it has sent MUST treat
+this as a stream error of type QUIC_TOO_MANY_OPEN_STREAMS ({{error-handling}}),
+unless this is a result of a change in the initial offsets (see
+{{zerortt-parameters}}).
+
+A Maximum Stream ID of 0 will cause a connection to be unusable.  Application
+protocols that use QUIC might require a certain minimum number of initial
+streams to function correctly.  If a peer advertises an maximum stream ID
+(initial_stream_limit) that is too small for the selected application protocol

If we have a BLOCKED analogue, that seems reasonable. It effectively becomes a warning rather than a fatal error.

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wrote:

> You need a design here that handles multiple higher-layer protocols,= e.g.:
>
> 1. Every protocol that uses QUIC (and needs this pattern) defines= a
> TLS extension for itself. HTTP would define a new TLS extension.<= br> > 2. Application protocols can define QUIC transport parameters. HT= TP
> would define a small number of QUIC transport parameters.
>
> This isn't intractable, it's just that it's a result of = designing a
> generic protocol (QUIC) with only one real user (HTTP). Good to see = some
> work on DNS here, which wouldn't need this functionality (I thin= k).
>
> Actually, I think a QUIC over DNS might benefit from the use of a se= ttings
frame like construction, e.g. for EDNS0 options.

I'm a little worried about design 1, as I suspect the use of common T= LS
libraries might encourage people to re-use existing TLS extensions and re-interpret their meanings in new protocol contexts. (That likely would=
not be a problem for standards track protocols, but might be for those experimenting with layering Example Protocol over QUIC). If we can clear= ly
associate transport parameters with specific application protocols, that<= br> seems safer, especially if we allow for fairly open use of experimental code points.

Just my two cents,

Ted

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= ----==_mimepart_58f651e8f36ef_15d03f96b6bd5c2c3751c-- From nobody Tue Apr 18 11:10:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71ED212EABC for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 11:10:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.801 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E1g4Fb6DHRUt for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 11:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B273E1243F6 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 11:10:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=mF/Rn9zsWIBKUIc4R7LD3rIW5a4=; b=f7liBlg7zTif/bD7 5sQ5nYS6FgWWGP+i6l7YmUbImzC3zeM5eo+8yoFUIADkpumHhvFNKdtgkdxHs3VJ i3jnzNd8KHhmajdKM/SmGiub1bgPAgxGpglWbeD3L0wvZF594nqvR+8uWebj2Ucc hS+bDPZdtK8lxlOVrPB9bi97Sbo= Received: by filter1110p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1110p1mdw1-13600-58F65688-1C 2017-04-18 18:10:16.180532473 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id uBYspkGnSdqVQ3WvKYydlQ for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 18:10:16.139 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 11:10:15 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] fix priority grouping node ambiguity (#441) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58f65687ae246_73173fa824457c3c12571a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2fHF10YHOILeNQ5CHt3cR1elGa0EHvc5MAGx iDoh/l3hGIPo1ThxOLvVlh2KSOg7CnkdGHgP2mu33CY5Bj2sfTRvgI+nS6GeceOCf2dgCbnIr/f2Au 8O19Ke4T74Bk0CLnMQLkCxh+APuQ9Nq5xPRYUl8cX1I+CWluAT90o3aoZYtoDU1WNEVuke5rx6gqYD I= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 18:10:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58f65687ae246_73173fa824457c3c12571a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In Chicago, I had a side conversation with someone advocating that we rip out the priority scheme as a whole and enable different schemes to be used on an extension basis. (Which reminds me, I had promised to send this person the link to one of the alternatives that was proposed in late H2.... Doing that now.) I think a priority scheme that explicitly provided buckets of streams rather than using phantoms would be reasonable. However, that feels like it wanders into the realm of work that HTTPbis should be doing, rather than the QUIC WG; when there's not a specific "this doesn't work in QUIC because...", I'm loathe to make fundamental protocol changes without at least a commission from the owning WG. However, I don't know that I'd say HTTP/QUIC doesn't support the phantoms -- can't you just close the streams you want to use as placeholders without making a request? Though perhaps we should have text that explicitly states that this is "normal" behavior, just for clarity's sake. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/441#issuecomment-294932961 ----==_mimepart_58f65687ae246_73173fa824457c3c12571a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In Chicago, I had a side conversation with someone advocating that we ri= p out the priority scheme as a whole and enable different schemes to be use= d on an extension basis. (Which reminds me, I had promised to send this pe= rson the link to one of the alternatives that was proposed in late H2.... = Doing that now.) I think a priority scheme that explicitly provided bucket= s of streams rather than using phantoms would be reasonable. However, that= feels like it wanders into the realm of work that HTTPbis should be doing,= rather than the QUIC WG; when there's not a specific "this doesn't work in= QUIC because...", I'm loathe to make fundamental protocol changes without = at least a commission from the owning WG.

However, I don't know that I'd say HTTP/QUIC doesn't support the phantom= s -- can't you just close the streams you want to use as placeholders witho= ut making a request? Though perhaps we should have text that explicitly st= ates that this is "normal" behavior, just for clarity's sake.

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The current design for server-chosen connection IDs doesn't allow the server to choose a connection ID on version negotiation and stateless reject. Also, it doesn't allow a load balancer to distinguish between a server-chosen connection ID and one that the client chose.

The proposed resolution would be to have the following cleartext packet types:

  1. initial client packet - in which connection ID is randomized by the client
  2. server packet - in which the server picks a connection ID
  3. version negotiation - in which the server picks a connection ID
  4. client packet with server-chosen connection ID

Essentially, the only packet that contains a client-chosen connection ID is the first one from the client.

This only requires a change from "final server" to "initial client" packet type and a tweak to the semantics of the others.

Raised in conversation with @siyengar, @igorlord, and some others.

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The current design has a special carve-out for stream 0, but special semantics for it.

If we split this into two different frame types, we avoid having special logic for the scaling of the connection-level window AND we can reclaim stream 0.

That leads to the possibility of using stream 0 for crypto, stream 1 for HTTP control.

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----==_mimepart_58f69c6838fad_63f73fd0b38a7c3012327b-- From nobody Tue Apr 18 16:50:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9500A1293F8 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 16:49:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.183 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.183 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yRci37CX_817 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 16:49:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D24C129463 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 16:49:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=mNLE9QUwoM6ITQLVVT2LkcBRNFk=; b=FfcsP7ciVNI4PDlu dExthi18RReb3806lhcUqAP5vOkQE0Qu6C9fM5spjm0wmSmCsfw01BIG6cUx7zFj RBO7rIryOR3dkOL4MPrWeUoiqfy98V4EPQU+bnmP4FWFqDxWAyAf/wT4nWtPptZa 4VAyhup0rhcbh8WhfEGCftAis+U= Received: by filter0604p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0604p1mdw1-29650-58F6A624-8 2017-04-18 23:49:56.134308984 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id nhbC-44jTSmF14KIigN0Pw for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 23:49:56.079 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 16:49:55 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Move SETTINGS into TLS Handshake (#436) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58f6a623eb17c_53ca3fe6627c3c3c19678f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1zacjopHVxkhsfVHOAr4b/KXYBffqcBiN9u/ QzYwnikaQjy64afmZstm8Rz5aLREBu+T8NVQPLhIaB9+2JmSofpjx0VZNFHE3EpNfzAx1OU2ENapfD Q6/n3evXex4ElbYtHK+KtYGwB5iMp7PTUCnJjYoRhDwTgJLdr9PIVrMmUIba5JL5zQrM+zGk1jFdfC o= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 23:49:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58f6a623eb17c_53ca3fe6627c3c3c19678f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, I think that logically the blob within blob within blob design is fine. The only issue that I have with that is that we now have more places where extensibility is critical. If we can collapse at least some of those then that reduces the likelihood that the ones we do have will atrophy. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/436#issuecomment-295018410 ----==_mimepart_58f6a623eb17c_53ca3fe6627c3c3c19678f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yeah, I think that logically the blob within blob within blob design is = fine. The only issue that I have with that is that we now have more places= where extensibility is critical. If we can collapse at least some of thos= e then that reduces the likelihood that the ones we do have will atrophy.

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For this situation to exist, the server would have to be using server = push AND the client would have to send data on those streams, which is no= t permitted, so it would be detected as an attack/error pretty quickly.

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Approving this; I have a plan to rename the frame type now and the other comments were addressed already.

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----==_mimepart_58f6f66a7683b_4e9e3fbabb173c3849693-- From nobody Tue Apr 18 22:32:43 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AABA41200C1 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 22:32:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.474 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.474 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bE1nfAFWc9iP for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 22:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B912B128BB7 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 22:32:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=q1Iw18wRzq8YVNVe+0U2EYHr6yQ=; b=Ru+Ud31hIZ63cgDQ rtfDB4G/7iI960gq1q/OGcu2WM0IrzbXXKEu7wafnevx6sOlFTS0yTkdzCk8epMX iQ5f/w6+jbI0VgnLJ5hgaow1cDOrUjK4oarjeKftrjRFv3mlWxDhGRD0tGUVjwBt 5bs5GKDK60XVp+wgjVC1SRCtyO8= Received: by filter0966p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0966p1mdw1-6855-58F6F66A-29 2017-04-19 05:32:26.821092754 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id kVtM__3-RvGPnWkWYFp_nw for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 05:32:26.731 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 22:32:26 -0700 From: Mark Nottingham Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: QUIC WG Issues Account , Mention Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] What can change in a different version (#55) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58f6f66a93d9f_6ca33f959502bc2c471b3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mnot X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: mention X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak19Mu6giTLwknOf4W139i+11gCXI47w91LSWP PZCWnJ99ZtmlGXS4rUKW92ClKU4XLGfqbCnWUlj+usMO5q2Weqxb7b/NqwyDNlT/X39jxDm4iryEB0 p6plkBgsQ1IJ5z5wgtukFk+/zB//GDF2WIWT69GbCRuuo1JFCLhRtqoeOuVCgzkSdIuI1cFv/SCJ99 Y= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 05:32:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58f6f66a93d9f_6ca33f959502bc2c471b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reopened #55. -- You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/55#event-1047890252 ----==_mimepart_58f6f66a93d9f_6ca33f959502bc2c471b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Reopened #55.

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Reopened #181.

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----==_mimepart_58f6f66af2932_2a633fe650567c34290d-- From nobody Tue Apr 18 22:44:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0720B1292D3 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 22:44:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BcEJYc2MDHQj for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 22:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 296D6120724 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 22:44:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=9WKZGeCXp9BbAVEVLVUag13pFV4=; b=pbiZ1pA87ACIiq8U jsUferAg5CmhAz+mpd/cxu+33+q96Tk1wNDbC+r2iUIlEx1uJPZym3oJJ0EDDG8i bBxXyu+JaUYrq+u+xb+vGABXLbV0QJGTc5SxJ4aB6MsdPMoIMEUjLU3zFRlJD5Fe nyYaJDP7lQdPb98eWhMKuCycHBY= Received: by filter0570p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0570p1mdw1-19410-58F6F928-A 2017-04-19 05:44:08.206071281 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id nKV-GsWjQAe4PdXo40I73w for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 05:44:08.124 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 22:44:08 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove SETTINGS[_ACK] (#181) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58f6f928217f_4b4e3fe65dbd1c3457646"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak36YAQ+YR/W08ZRtYsk5i7xze6b8buOm997RF SM65GrbPuPfxHICZ0dsuNyOsl6Z8Xm4P8e8TmTrHCXgPoc4YfiYzuD+RefmAKlPCpKXcHWlas2g3S0 pELuV9waWFfs94oiLzz+l/w0tNoYEMdjwC9rGwQ4xJWF5riz2VTKBzP2JsF7wYBj+4n2FBSXMRciea c= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 05:44:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58f6f928217f_4b4e3fe65dbd1c3457646 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that #436 is a better place to track this. One way to look at this is that we had consensus for this change and now @ekr is proposing a further refinement. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/181#issuecomment-295105443 ----==_mimepart_58f6f928217f_4b4e3fe65dbd1c3457646 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think that #436 is a better place to track this. One way to look at this is that we had consensus for this change and now @ekr is proposing a further refinement.

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I'd prefer to track the omission, so that the larger issue isn't reopened. That we neglected to mention Google QUIC versions is just an error.

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Reopened #158.

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----==_mimepart_58f6fb07e2f2d_278a3f9a98b2fc38935ad-- From nobody Tue Apr 18 22:55:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16FCF13151E for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 22:55:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wg75KgiUVdGf for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 22:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D52413151B for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 22:55:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=PqWi7TsFZKQSVrrX0RO711sR33Q=; b=ApIf8YhKDgGPF/Vr b8F5TkypshovkzaWa3wQoSL/fxkCy/7KdIarJAEh+uroMniCxuIS+9h/v+u/6y+V eqNzyXUgQzVIaIZ2YohgCWY+AqsFfjC6zzJHXiLS+oXVB1OEtnvOW93ZywnBNznJ ZozCwVF5cQonIKLb4R7H+4H4TRI= Received: by filter0849p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0849p1mdw1-29647-58F6FBD4-2A 2017-04-19 05:55:32.617949724 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id ACzrqhxcTU2L9-A1PfpEzA for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 05:55:32.579 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 22:55:32 -0700 From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Unclear stream close semantics (#439) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58f6fbd477f7a_2c693f9a98b2fc3870877"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1fMdYyiD6lZWL//5yGbRJzhOJ2YE3Oexv+cm 9SfxONBu9AvIG+t/my7KldfuGjMmDidOziLTJqbpRC5971jVLOKnAO8udD17bhASU5dweSs1i+gz80 w1BTIXtliKUNBkB1IAg9jv2ZoNjwzy4VLY9O56Qa3cuGE90H+E8j4WY8yI/eLCZvT3iLmFtXccPLAB U= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 05:55:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58f6fbd477f7a_2c693f9a98b2fc3870877 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Isn't that assuming HTTP2, which is just one application level use case? The HTTP application can reject this, but another higher level protocol that is not HTTP2 will need to revisit those concerns. A related concern is that is is non-trivial to remember which streams are only implicitly opened by higher ID and which are closed. With uni-directional streams and clean close semantics, the reader only needs to remember the actively open streams and update the STREAM_LIMIT as appropriate. I'm not interested in placing application level semantics in transport, just to have a clean separation of concerns so the transport can take action based on simple interactions with the application layer. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/439#issuecomment-295107294 ----==_mimepart_58f6fbd477f7a_2c693f9a98b2fc3870877 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Isn't that assuming HTTP2, which is just one application level use case?= The HTTP application can reject this, but another higher level protocol th= at is not HTTP2 will need to revisit those concerns.

A related concern is that is is non-trivial to remember which streams ar= e only implicitly opened by higher ID and which are closed. With uni-direct= ional streams and clean close semantics, the reader only needs to remember = the actively open streams and update the STREAM_LIMIT as appropriate.

I'm not interested in placing application level semantics in transport, = just to have a clean separation of concerns so the transport can take actio= n based on simple interactions with the application layer.

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Jana, all of those issues are either editorial or has-consensus. I don= 't think it's good to declare consensus on a specific PR, since that's ef= fectively saying we have consensus on a set of bytes in the draft, rather= than the ideas behind them.

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OK, so an application can choose to initiate a stream as write only or a= s read/write even if this concept does not exist at the protocol level. The= transport layer can then consider it an error if receiving data on a read = only stream.

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As long as the proposal in #436 is still on the table, I don't care much about the issues mechanics.

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Maybe MAX_STREAM_ID and MAX_OFFSET? The names aren't really folded into the wire, so they're technically editorial.

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----==_mimepart_58f77300ccc02_64ce3faac190fc30885d6-- From nobody Wed Apr 19 07:59:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02130129AEA for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 07:59:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yIKyMlYUUxeD for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 07:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBD00129AE3 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 07:59:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=Rk+yAd6CjBtgUHtW4GmcY2ic/zo=; b=l9I/R3h6kMMIu0Ou tLrnZo4CJ7YDBt9Gs3JJYEE1aGMoHk7RpY7YGs9TIshaapF4kwzS2Qgc3nBxCP9O UfWDWhdYUl/8TwRU/au40gk5LBB+XSEczzcpid7TYtlPYqjgItVW/UGcxUlM6ZT+ YyL0dBU+eG1ls7EdlYDFXuy0omQ= Received: by filter0507p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0507p1mdw1-9039-58F77B5D-11 2017-04-19 14:59:41.138106967 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id dbsFOxKySpy97B5_BSqMrg for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 14:59:41.116 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 07:59:41 -0700 From: huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Known attacks (#440) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58f77b5d3144_b633fbbc4649c30371126"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2ocvTq7f8Dtg2mueZUlnhlzZbcX6zOihOvlj sa8ODF31HHMbk68/GW3bg+Eo8h+Yd4/smDZEEQGEwFHFnDTmxxDKmLYn642NJIGWkDRvp/Zh6HUuik /2vuNq3WFxUiY+GsLHMvEs4uLFIbkYChMX0Rme1H1k8EEIpiciWxSjWR0p4Ve1U8idBAJpDTCy/rZs I= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 14:59:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58f77b5d3144_b633fbbc4649c30371126 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree that this are all variations on the slow loris attacks. They can me mitigated by proper use of configuration parameters and receive logic, but this is not necessarily obvious to the implementer. For example, it is easy to NOT mitigate the attacks by setting the stream limit to a high value-- and then it is also easy to set the stream limit to a value that is too low and get performance effects. I will try to write a PR for an entry in the security section. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/440#issuecomment-295300191 ----==_mimepart_58f77b5d3144_b633fbbc4649c30371126 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I agree that this are all variations on the slow loris attacks. They can= me mitigated by proper use of configuration parameters and receive logic, = but this is not necessarily obvious to the implementer. For example, it is = easy to NOT mitigate the attacks by setting the stream limit to a high valu= e-- and then it is also easy to set the stream limit to a value that is too= low and get performance effects. I will try to write a PR for an entry in = the security section.

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Describe the equivalent of the Teardrop attack for QUIC, and propose mitigation.

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See discussion of issue #435: Stream ID sequential order may create head of queue blocking.

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I just entered 2 PR for the "stream fragment reassembly" and the "stream id commitment" attacks -- two separate security sub sections. Still need one for the generic "slow loris" attack.

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----==_mimepart_58f7db514309b_17a43f892cfadc382192d-- From nobody Wed Apr 19 17:23:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD1012EADD for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 17:23:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.181 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.181 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0l00GIM-Yi0q for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 17:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36A8312EADA for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 17:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 17:23:50 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1492647830; bh=Iv1HUnpD7Jr6kIWyViVlcFjgaTdNJ0oPCPdK6SNIVuM=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=PGBfNge87bXs19L8/0+VLH0vVmHaF/IaQ+ZG1gZIjOl2WctYjc+BQqCvgneTMt2wA nROEr+nwx18xDsb44OnhtL4+TMq+eDDLOnGeQHRBQ+Ld6lSjMtq3Dy3fYtkN9QjHSo lXAhOCSBza4czsbpWhn4DuAs7RynAQx8b0MM/KBY= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] HOL blocking on Finished (#446) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58f7ff967fb7b_9d43fea72eebc306684"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 00:23:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58f7ff967fb7b_9d43fea72eebc306684 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The current design creates HOL blocking on the Finished message in some cases. It might be OK not to block on this, but it would require some careful analysis to ensure that we have understood the implications properly. A safer alternative might be to find other ways to ensure that Finished arrives in a timely fashion, though that could require some contortions on the packet format. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/446 ----==_mimepart_58f7ff967fb7b_9d43fea72eebc306684 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The current design creates HOL blocking on the Finished message in some cases. It might be OK not to block on this, but it would require some careful analysis to ensure that we have understood the implications properly.

A safer alternative might be to find other ways to ensure that Finished arrives in a timely fashion, though that could require some contortions on the packet format.

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Pretty close to what I had in mind. With #443 I think we can have: STREAM_LIMIT, DATA_LIMIT and STREAM_DATA_LIMIT. Or as you suggest MAX_STREAM_ID, MAX_STREAM_DATA_OFFSET, and MAX_DATA_OFFSET.

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I think that this could be made a lot shorter. A malicious endpoint (it doesn't need to be a client in the general case), can open lots of streams, exhausting state on the server. This can be done trivially, by opening a stream with a large number, which implicitly causes all lower-numbered streams to also be opened. The stream concurrency limit prevents this, however reducing concurrency can negatively affect performance.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +memory resource than a TCP protocol
+control block. However, the attack can be amplified if the adversarial
+client can open multiple streams with a single message.
+
+Normally, clients will open streams sequentially,
+as explained in {{stream-identifiers}}.
+However, when several streams are initiated at short intervals,
+transmission error may cause STREAM DATA frames opening streams to be
+received out of sequence. Some implementations will have provisions to
+open all intermediate streams in case of out-of-sequence arrival. For example,
+a server that receive STREAM DATA for streams 3 and then 9 may decide to
+open stream 5 and 7 immediately. An adversarial client
+would for example exploit that
+design by sending STREAM DATA for streams 3 and the 2,000,001, causing the
+server to open 1 million connections, and contributing to server resource
+exhaustion.

Actually, this is much easier: a receiver is obligated to open intervening streams if a higher-numbered stream ID is received. Thus, on a new connection, opening stream 2000001 opens 1 million streams, as required by the specification. The stream concurrency limit protects against this sort of attack.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2697,6 +2697,45 @@ also be forward-secure encrypted.  Since the attacker will not have the forward
 secure key, the attacker will not be able to generate forward-secure encrypted
 packets with ACK frames.
 
+## Stream commitment attack

Title Case Headings are the Convention

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This doesn't talk about flow control. It needs to. Like #443, I think that this is far more detailed than we need. The point of this is to make an implementer aware that a malicious peer might intentionally fragment the data on receive buffers in order to cause disproportionate memory commitment (either disproportionate to the number of bytes that were transmitted, or disproportionate to the flow control offset that was provided, in practice probably both are necessary to make the attack worthwhile). This can be said more concisely, I think. The most interesting case for this attack is where receivers over-commit memory and advertise flow control offsets in the aggregate that exceed actual available memory. This strategy works in most cases given that most clients are not attempting denial of service. The very tail of a receive window is rarely needed in practice. Over-commitment fails badly when under this kind of attack. > @@ -2697,6 +2697,43 @@ also be forward-secure encrypted. Since the attacker will not have the forward secure key, the attacker will not be able to generate forward-secure encrypted packets with ACK frames. +## Stream fragmentation and reassembly attacks + +An adversarial client may attempt to +exhaust server memory resource by performing +a stream fragmentation and reassembly attack, similar to the UDP/ICMP +"Teardrop" fragmentation attacks. The adversarial client would open a stream, citation? > @@ -2697,6 +2697,43 @@ also be forward-secure encrypted. Since the attacker will not have the forward secure key, the attacker will not be able to generate forward-secure encrypted packets with ACK frames. +## Stream fragmentation and reassembly attacks Title Case > @@ -2697,6 +2697,43 @@ also be forward-secure encrypted. Since the attacker will not have the forward secure key, the attacker will not be able to generate forward-secure encrypted packets with ACK frames. +## Stream fragmentation and reassembly attacks + +An adversarial client may attempt to This is any endpoint, though I agree that it's (usually) not very interesting for a server to mount the attack. > +and send some STREAM DATA packets containing fragments of the stream content. +The goal of the attack is to induce the receiving implementation to commit +memory buffers while waiting that the stream data can be reassembled. + +For example, a client +might send some octets at the beginning of a +stream and some octets much further +away in the stream. A vulnerable server, on receiving the stream data fragments, +might allocate memory covering the whole space from beginning to end. The client +would then repeat the process on a large number of streams and a large number +of connections, inducing the server to commit a large amout of memory. + +This attack can be mitigated by not +committing memory for stream data reassembly, +and simply keeping the STREAM DATA frames until enough fragments have been +received and the data can be delivered to the application in proper sequence. Saving STREAM frames only works if the data provided is sufficiently sparse, at some point the overhead of saving the frames exceeds the overheads of assembling the data into a buffer and tracking the holes. The real mitigation is not to over-commit on flow control. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/444#pullrequestreview-33652348 ----==_mimepart_58f805a465a6f_508e3fde8dba3c305659 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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This doesn't talk about flow control. It needs to.

Like #443, I think that this is far more detailed than we need. The point of this is to make an implementer aware that a malicious peer might intentionally fragment the data on receive buffers in order to cause disproportionate memory commitment (either disproportionate to the number of bytes that were transmitted, or disproportionate to the flow control offset that was provided, in practice probably both are necessary to make the attack worthwhile). This can be said more concisely, I think.

The most interesting case for this attack is where receivers over-commit memory and advertise flow control offsets in the aggregate that exceed actual available memory. This strategy works in most cases given that most clients are not attempting denial of service. The very tail of a receive window is rarely needed in practice. Over-commitment fails badly when under this kind of attack.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2697,6 +2697,43 @@ also be forward-secure encrypted.  Since the attacker will not have the forward
 secure key, the attacker will not be able to generate forward-secure encrypted
 packets with ACK frames.
 
+## Stream fragmentation and reassembly attacks
+
+An adversarial client may attempt to
+exhaust server memory resource by performing
+a stream fragmentation and reassembly attack, similar to the UDP/ICMP
+"Teardrop" fragmentation attacks. The adversarial client would open a stream,

citation?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2697,6 +2697,43 @@ also be forward-secure encrypted.  Since the attacker will not have the forward
 secure key, the attacker will not be able to generate forward-secure encrypted
 packets with ACK frames.
 
+## Stream fragmentation and reassembly attacks

Title Case

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2697,6 +2697,43 @@ also be forward-secure encrypted.  Since the attacker will not have the forward
 secure key, the attacker will not be able to generate forward-secure encrypted
 packets with ACK frames.
 
+## Stream fragmentation and reassembly attacks
+
+An adversarial client may attempt to

This is any endpoint, though I agree that it's (usually) not very interesting for a server to mount the attack.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +and send some STREAM DATA packets containing fragments of the stream content.
+The goal of the attack is to induce the receiving implementation to commit
+memory buffers while waiting that the stream data can be reassembled.
+
+For example, a client
+might send some octets at the beginning of a
+stream and some octets much further
+away in the stream. A vulnerable server, on receiving the stream data fragments,
+might allocate memory covering the whole space from beginning to end. The client
+would then repeat the process on a large number of streams and a large number
+of connections, inducing the server to commit a large amout of memory.
+
+This attack can be mitigated by not
+committing memory for stream data reassembly,
+and simply keeping the STREAM DATA frames until enough fragments have been
+received and the data can be delivered to the application in proper sequence.

Saving STREAM frames only works if the data provided is sufficiently sparse, at some point the overhead of saving the frames exceeds the overheads of assembling the data into a buffer and tracking the holes.

The real mitigation is not to over-commit on flow control.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +and send some STREAM DATA packets containing fragments of the stream content.
+The goal of the attack is to induce the receiving implementation to commit
+memory buffers while waiting that the stream data can be reassembled.
+
+For example, a client
+might send some octets at the beginning of a
+stream and some octets much further
+away in the stream. A vulnerable server, on receiving the stream data fragments,
+might allocate memory covering the whole space from beginning to end. The client
+would then repeat the process on a large number of streams and a large number
+of connections, inducing the server to commit a large amout of memory.
+
+This attack can be mitigated by not
+committing memory for stream data reassembly,
+and simply keeping the STREAM DATA frames until enough fragments have been
+received and the data can be delivered to the application in proper sequence.

Saving frames is the only way the connection-level flow control window makes sense. Otherwise, you'd have to commit (number of streams)*(stream flow control window) memory.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +and send some STREAM DATA packets containing fragments of the stream content.
+The goal of the attack is to induce the receiving implementation to commit
+memory buffers while waiting that the stream data can be reassembled.
+
+For example, a client
+might send some octets at the beginning of a
+stream and some octets much further
+away in the stream. A vulnerable server, on receiving the stream data fragments,
+might allocate memory covering the whole space from beginning to end. The client
+would then repeat the process on a large number of streams and a large number
+of connections, inducing the server to commit a large amout of memory.
+
+This attack can be mitigated by not
+committing memory for stream data reassembly,
+and simply keeping the STREAM DATA frames until enough fragments have been
+received and the data can be delivered to the application in proper sequence.

Hmm, that's true. That suggests a different way to write this: assume that frames are saved (and maybe merged opportunistically). Then the attack is on the overhead associated with saved frames.

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The state allocated for one stream is pretty small: it's probably one ma= p entry somewhere, and a couple of counter variables (for read and write po= sition) in the stream. So, unless chosen absurdly large (O(10e5) or so), th= e memory commitment should be negligible.

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I like this. This solves my issue here #432 as well. I raised the same issue on the= list and this was my conclusion as well that we need a window_update lik= e mechanism for stream limits.

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"However, loss or reordering can cause STREAM frames that open streams to be received in a different order."?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2697,6 +2697,43 @@ also be forward-secure encrypted.  Since the attacker will not have the forward
 secure key, the attacker will not be able to generate forward-secure encrypted
 packets with ACK frames.
 
+## Stream fragmentation and reassembly attacks
+
+An adversarial client may attempt to

OK. Rewriting to"endpoint" instead of client.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2697,6 +2697,43 @@ also be forward-secure encrypted.  Since the attacker will not have the forward
 secure key, the attacker will not be able to generate forward-secure encrypted
 packets with ACK frames.
 
+## Stream fragmentation and reassembly attacks
+
+An adversarial client may attempt to
+exhaust server memory resource by performing
+a stream fragmentation and reassembly attack, similar to the UDP/ICMP
+"Teardrop" fragmentation attacks. The adversarial client would open a stream,

Just dropping the name quoting. Could not find a good Teardrop reference.

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We currently say that a sender MUST NOT reduce these limits, but don't really require or permit a receiver to enforce this. Now, it's true that reordering might cause limits to be received out of order, and it's probably best that we not require a receiver to check that the limit never reduces. However, we might want to allow a receiver to look at packet numbers, determine that the number has been reduced, and kill the connection with a flow control error.

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This also changes the name of the LIMIT_UPDATE frame to MAX_STREAM_ID to match.

A lot of the text talked about stream offsets and had flow control affect
maximum stream offsets. This turned out to be unnecessarily obtuse. The text
in this changeset simply says that there is a limit to the amount of data that
can be sent. This turns out to be a lot of changes, but I think that it is
easier to understand as a result.

Closes #443.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/450

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  • Split WINDOW_UPDATE into MAX_DATA and MAX_STREAM_DATA

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2735,6 +2742,22 @@ also be forward-secure encrypted.  Since the attacker will not have the forward
 secure key, the attacker will not be able to generate forward-secure encrypted
 packets with ACK frames.
 
+## Slowloris Attacks
+
+The attacks commonly known as Slowloris {{SLOWLORIS}}
+try to keep many connections
+to the target endpoint open and hold them open as long as possible. These attacks
+can be executed against a QUIC endpoint by slowly sending small amount of
+data on an open stream, slowly opening the flow control windows in order
+to limit the sender rate, or possibly manufacturing QUIC ACK that
+simulate a high loss rate and slow down sending by the other endpoint.
+
+QUIC implementers should consider implementing the
+classic mitigations of the Slowloris attack, such as increasing the maximum

"the classic" isn't needed :) How about "QUIC deployments SHOULD provide mitigations for the Slowloris attack, such as ..."

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2735,6 +2742,22 @@ also be forward-secure encrypted.  Since the attacker will not have the forward
 secure key, the attacker will not be able to generate forward-secure encrypted
 packets with ACK frames.
 
+## Slowloris Attacks
+
+The attacks commonly known as Slowloris {{SLOWLORIS}}
+try to keep many connections
+to the target endpoint open and hold them open as long as possible. These attacks
+can be executed against a QUIC endpoint by slowly sending small amount of
+data on an open stream, slowly opening the flow control windows in order
+to limit the sender rate, or possibly manufacturing QUIC ACK that
+simulate a high loss rate and slow down sending by the other endpoint.
+
+QUIC implementers should consider implementing the
+classic mitigations of the Slowloris attack, such as increasing the maximum

OK, will fix that once I get to pass the online checks.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 Endpoints MUST NOT exceed the limit set by their peer.  An endpoint that
-receives a STREAM frame that causes its advertised concurrent stream limit to be
-exceeded MUST treat this as a stream error of type QUIC_TOO_MANY_OPEN_STREAMS
-({{error-handling}}).
-
+receives a STREAM frame with an ID greater than the limit it has sent MUST treat
+this as a stream error of type QUIC_TOO_MANY_OPEN_STREAMS ({{error-handling}}),
+unless this is a result of a change in the initial offsets (see
+{{zerortt-parameters}}).
+
+A Maximum Stream ID of 0 will cause a connection to be unusable.  Application
+protocols that use QUIC might require a certain minimum number of initial
+streams to function correctly.  If a peer advertises an maximum stream ID
+(initial_stream_limit) that is too small for the selected application protocol

Agreed that this surely doesn't seem worthy of a MUST terminate. I also don't think TOO_MANY_OPEN_STREAMS is the right error to use here.

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In discussions of BLOCKED in HTTP/2, one important limitation was that a sender wouldn't send multiple BLOCKED frames for the same limit. That is, it would stop sending BLOCKED until it received a WINDOW_UPDATE for the affected limit.

No such restriction applies. An poor implementation of QUIC could end up generating a LOT of BLOCKED frames. The above limit would seem to be reasonable.

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It's possible that we don't care about the reliability of BLOCKED, but there is an inherent problem with the frame.

The quality of a signal like this is either in being able to capture the conditions that lead to it being generated, maybe in terms of looking at traces. Or, it can be useful hollistically: by aggregating reports over a large set you can determine whether a change to flow control tuning was successful.

A sender of BLOCKED is currently obligated to retransmit lost BLOCKED frames. That achieves the latter goal reasonably well, but it does little for the former because the state of the connection when BLOCKED was generated is unlikely to be the same when it is eventually retransmitted. Even on the first transmission, the receiver of a BLOCKED frame still has to do quite a lot to work out what the state of the sender might have been.

BLOCKED would be more useful if it reported the limit that caused it to be generated. That would also solve #451.

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I like this change -- a few comments inline > -The connection-level flow control offset is expressed in units of 1024 octets -(for a stream identifier of 0). That is, the connection-level flow control -offset is determined by multiplying the encoded value by 1024. +When counting data toward this limit, an endpoint accounts for the maximum +offset of data that is sent or received on every stream. Loss or reordering can +mean that the maximum offset is greater than the total size of data received on +a stream. Receiving STREAM frames might not increase the maximum offset on a "Loss or reordering can +mean that the maximum offset is greater than the total size of data received on +a stream." -- Not sure what this means. > -The connection-level flow control offset is expressed in units of 1024 octets -(for a stream identifier of 0). That is, the connection-level flow control -offset is determined by multiplying the encoded value by 1024. +When counting data toward this limit, an endpoint accounts for the maximum +offset of data that is sent or received on every stream. Loss or reordering can +mean that the maximum offset is greater than the total size of data received on +a stream. Receiving STREAM frames might not increase the maximum offset on a This sentence does not make sense: "Receiving STREAM frames might not increase the maximum offset on a stream if the maximum offset doesn't increase." > -The connection-level flow control offset is expressed in units of 1024 octets -(for a stream identifier of 0). That is, the connection-level flow control -offset is determined by multiplying the encoded value by 1024. +When counting data toward this limit, an endpoint accounts for the maximum +offset of data that is sent or received on every stream. Loss or reordering can +mean that the maximum offset is greater than the total size of data received on +a stream. Receiving STREAM frames might not increase the maximum offset on a +stream if the maximum offset doesn't increase. A STREAM frame with a FIN bit +set or RST_STREAM causes the final offset for a stream to be fixed. I don't think you need to describe how RST_STREAM or FIN affects STREAM offsets here. MAX_DATA is for Connection flow control, and this information is useful only for STREAM flow control. > A receiver MUST close the connection with a QUIC_FLOW_CONTROL_RECEIVED_TOO_MUCH_DATA error ({{error-handling}}) if the -peer violates the advertised stream or connection flow control windows. +peer violates the advertised limits on data on a connection or stream. suggestion: "violates the advertised connection or stream data limits." > ### Stream Limit Increment As with flow control, this document leaves when and how many streams to make -available to a peer via LIMIT_UPDATE to the implementation, but offers a few -considerations. LIMIT_UPDATE frames constitute minimal overhead, while -withholding LIMIT_UPDATEs prevents the peer from fully utilizing the transport. +available to a peer via MAX_STREAM_ID to implementations, but offers a few +considerations. MAX_STREAM_ID frames constitute minimal overhead, while +withholding MAX_STREAM_ID frames can prevent the peer from using the available +parallelism. + +Implementations will likely want to increase the maximum stream ID as +peer-initiated streams close. Sending a MAX_STREAM_ID frame along with ACK +frames ensures a regular increase in the stream limit without generating excess Sending a MAX_STREAM_ID with each ACK makes no sense. Perhaps you meant to say: "... along with acknowledgements of frames that close a stream"? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/450#pullrequestreview-33675431 ----==_mimepart_58f8490528500_1a443fd94f347c3c905f9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

I like this change -- a few comments inline

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The connection-level flow control offset is expressed in units of 1024 octets
-(for a stream identifier of 0).  That is, the connection-level flow control
-offset is determined by multiplying the encoded value by 1024.
+When counting data toward this limit, an endpoint accounts for the maximum
+offset of data that is sent or received on every stream.  Loss or reordering can
+mean that the maximum offset is greater than the total size of data received on
+a stream.  Receiving STREAM frames might not increase the maximum offset on a

"Loss or reordering can
+mean that the maximum offset is greater than the total size of data received on
+a stream." -- Not sure what this means.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The connection-level flow control offset is expressed in units of 1024 octets
-(for a stream identifier of 0).  That is, the connection-level flow control
-offset is determined by multiplying the encoded value by 1024.
+When counting data toward this limit, an endpoint accounts for the maximum
+offset of data that is sent or received on every stream.  Loss or reordering can
+mean that the maximum offset is greater than the total size of data received on
+a stream.  Receiving STREAM frames might not increase the maximum offset on a

This sentence does not make sense: "Receiving STREAM frames might not increase the maximum offset on a stream if the maximum offset doesn't increase."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The connection-level flow control offset is expressed in units of 1024 octets
-(for a stream identifier of 0).  That is, the connection-level flow control
-offset is determined by multiplying the encoded value by 1024.
+When counting data toward this limit, an endpoint accounts for the maximum
+offset of data that is sent or received on every stream.  Loss or reordering can
+mean that the maximum offset is greater than the total size of data received on
+a stream.  Receiving STREAM frames might not increase the maximum offset on a
+stream if the maximum offset doesn't increase.  A STREAM frame with a FIN bit
+set or RST_STREAM causes the final offset for a stream to be fixed.

I don't think you need to describe how RST_STREAM or FIN affects STREAM offsets here. MAX_DATA is for Connection flow control, and this information is useful only for STREAM flow control.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 A receiver MUST close the connection with a
 QUIC_FLOW_CONTROL_RECEIVED_TOO_MUCH_DATA error ({{error-handling}}) if the
-peer violates the advertised stream or connection flow control windows.
+peer violates the advertised limits on data on a connection or stream.

suggestion: "violates the advertised connection or stream data limits."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ### Stream Limit Increment
 
 As with flow control, this document leaves when and how many streams to make
-available to a peer via LIMIT_UPDATE to the implementation, but offers a few
-considerations. LIMIT_UPDATE frames constitute minimal overhead, while
-withholding LIMIT_UPDATEs prevents the peer from fully utilizing the transport.
+available to a peer via MAX_STREAM_ID to implementations, but offers a few
+considerations.  MAX_STREAM_ID frames constitute minimal overhead, while
+withholding MAX_STREAM_ID frames can prevent the peer from using the available
+parallelism.
+
+Implementations will likely want to increase the maximum stream ID as
+peer-initiated streams close.  Sending a MAX_STREAM_ID frame along with ACK
+frames ensures a regular increase in the stream limit without generating excess

Sending a MAX_STREAM_ID with each ACK makes no sense. Perhaps you meant to say: "... along with acknowledgements of frames that close a stream"?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The connection-level flow control offset is expressed in units of 1024 octets
-(for a stream identifier of 0).  That is, the connection-level flow control
-offset is determined by multiplying the encoded value by 1024.
+When counting data toward this limit, an endpoint accounts for the maximum
+offset of data that is sent or received on every stream.  Loss or reordering can
+mean that the maximum offset is greater than the total size of data received on
+a stream.  Receiving STREAM frames might not increase the maximum offset on a

Hmm, that's old text, it says that for any given stream max_offset >= sum([x.len for x in all_stream_frames]) (as opposed to ==).

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The connection-level flow control offset is expressed in units of 1024 octets
-(for a stream identifier of 0).  That is, the connection-level flow control
-offset is determined by multiplying the encoded value by 1024.
+When counting data toward this limit, an endpoint accounts for the maximum
+offset of data that is sent or received on every stream.  Loss or reordering can
+mean that the maximum offset is greater than the total size of data received on
+a stream.  Receiving STREAM frames might not increase the maximum offset on a

It's true, just a little repetitive.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The connection-level flow control offset is expressed in units of 1024 octets
-(for a stream identifier of 0).  That is, the connection-level flow control
-offset is determined by multiplying the encoded value by 1024.
+When counting data toward this limit, an endpoint accounts for the maximum
+offset of data that is sent or received on every stream.  Loss or reordering can
+mean that the maximum offset is greater than the total size of data received on
+a stream.  Receiving STREAM frames might not increase the maximum offset on a
+stream if the maximum offset doesn't increase.  A STREAM frame with a FIN bit
+set or RST_STREAM causes the final offset for a stream to be fixed.

OK, dropping this (BTW, this is existing text).

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ### Stream Limit Increment
 
 As with flow control, this document leaves when and how many streams to make
-available to a peer via LIMIT_UPDATE to the implementation, but offers a few
-considerations. LIMIT_UPDATE frames constitute minimal overhead, while
-withholding LIMIT_UPDATEs prevents the peer from fully utilizing the transport.
+available to a peer via MAX_STREAM_ID to implementations, but offers a few
+considerations.  MAX_STREAM_ID frames constitute minimal overhead, while
+withholding MAX_STREAM_ID frames can prevent the peer from using the available
+parallelism.
+
+Implementations will likely want to increase the maximum stream ID as
+peer-initiated streams close.  Sending a MAX_STREAM_ID frame along with ACK
+frames ensures a regular increase in the stream limit without generating excess

Not exactly. Implies a particular strategy for increasing the maximum stream ID, which I want to avoid. The point is that you might send any MAX_STREAM_ID frames you might want to send on the same schedule as ACK. I'll try to improve it some.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ### Stream Limit Increment
 
 As with flow control, this document leaves when and how many streams to make
-available to a peer via LIMIT_UPDATE to the implementation, but offers a few
-considerations. LIMIT_UPDATE frames constitute minimal overhead, while
-withholding LIMIT_UPDATEs prevents the peer from fully utilizing the transport.
+available to a peer via MAX_STREAM_ID to implementations, but offers a few
+considerations.  MAX_STREAM_ID frames constitute minimal overhead, while
+withholding MAX_STREAM_ID frames can prevent the peer from using the available
+parallelism.
+
+Implementations will likely want to increase the maximum stream ID as
+peer-initiated streams close.  Sending a MAX_STREAM_ID frame along with ACK
+frames ensures a regular increase in the stream limit without generating excess

I realize that the context is bad for that, so I'll try to fix that too.

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The latest version of kramdown-rfc2629 has a few new features that make this much easier to manage.

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Anyone running tools from the command line might need to run this:

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Martin, do the changes meet your requirements?

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This builds on #450 and splits BLOCKED in the same way.

(For reviewers, #450 lands, the changes currently fit in 8d349ad)

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  • The hazards of renaming things automatically
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  • Fix frame type numbers
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I'm not convinced we need this (I'm also not especially enthusiastic about BLOCKED), but it was easy to write up. Builds on #454, look at 3629948c1c575d12e0cbb974e666a56158cac6b3 if you want to see just these changes. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/455 -- Commit Summary -- * Split WINDOW_UPDATE into MAX_DATA and MAX_STREAM_DATA * The hazards of renaming things automatically * Fix IANA table * Jana's review comments * Fix frame type numbers * Split BLOCKED into two * Add STREAM_ID_NEEDED frame analogous to BLOCKED -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (409) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/455.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/455.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Analogous to BLOCKED, this frame allows an endpoint to protest at not being able to open new streams.

I'm not convinced we need this (I'm also not especially enthusiastic about BLOCKED), but it was easy to write up.

Builds on #454, look at 3629948 if you want to see just these changes.

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Commit Summary

  • Split WINDOW_UPDATE into MAX_DATA and MAX_STREAM_DATA
  • The hazards of renaming things automatically
  • Fix IANA table
  • Jana's review comments
  • Fix frame type numbers
  • Split BLOCKED into two
  • Add STREAM_ID_NEEDED frame analogous to BLOCKED

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The nasty overloading in WINDOW_UPDATE was the only reason that we couldn't use stream 0 for identifying streams. That's gone now.

A nice benefit is that this also makes the special exception for initial_max_stream_id go away. 0 is now a completely valid initial maximum stream ID. In some protocols, that might even make sense.

Builds on #454, look at 16dee05 for just the relevant changes here.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/456

Commit Summary

  • Split WINDOW_UPDATE into MAX_DATA and MAX_STREAM_DATA
  • The hazards of renaming things automatically
  • Fix IANA table
  • Jana's review comments
  • Fix frame type numbers
  • Split BLOCKED into two
  • Move crypto to stream 0, HTTP control to stream 1

File Changes

Patch Links:

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A -receiver advertises credit for a connection by sending a WINDOW_UPDATE frame -with the Stream ID set to zero (0x00). A receiver maintains a cumulative sum of -bytes received on all streams contributing to connection-level flow control, to -check for flow control violations. A receiver may maintain a cumulative sum of -bytes consumed on all contributing streams to determine the connection-level -flow control offset to be advertised. +STREAM frames on all streams. A receiver advertises credit for a connection by +sending a MAX_DATA frame. A receiver maintains a cumulative sum of bytes It is not clear if stream id 0 counts against this, even if it is not punished for violating the connection max_data limit. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 Connection flow control is a limit to the total bytes of stream data sent in
-STREAM frames on all streams contributing to connection flow control.  A
-receiver advertises credit for a connection by sending a WINDOW_UPDATE frame
-with the Stream ID set to zero (0x00).  A receiver maintains a cumulative sum of
-bytes received on all streams contributing to connection-level flow control, to
-check for flow control violations. A receiver may maintain a cumulative sum of
-bytes consumed on all contributing streams to determine the connection-level
-flow control offset to be advertised.
+STREAM frames on all streams.  A receiver advertises credit for a connection by
+sending a MAX_DATA frame.  A receiver maintains a cumulative sum of bytes

It is not clear if stream id 0 counts against this, even if it is not punished for violating the connection max_data limit.

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----==_mimepart_58f87485638c_4f083fe8f59b5c302144e3-- From nobody Thu Apr 20 02:41:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0314812EBBB for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 02:41:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.021 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.021 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HzlJzipmHY01 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 02:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4ECDE12EBB7 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 02:41:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=OqbhTGKiQYw/jdGrMgoUD0WCQgg=; b=xUzxf+i2ci7LJypZ WG6ipq3xxMH0hiHeCrtC5PUe8e5Eq19qH7+3CSjf1JPtEeI0w7vQZftGZN/38Kix b5e1IjFwL1jFjItlZInpduv0wnZI6Ntryh3MXd5d8WviUG5/I34id5QV3Gt71IaP j6I8cfkbz66c5X0HYmiTji+2/Fw= Received: by filter1000p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1000p1mdw1-7528-58F88240-1B 2017-04-20 09:41:20.108545259 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id gIUdNAvXTQW2i0i2XpSEKw for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 09:41:20.068 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 02:41:19 -0700 From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add LIMIT_UPDATE and replaces concurrent stream limit (#421) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58f8823feb624_714e3f9e5f5a5c34725d6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2ZsFHIGJ+bGBVYssrQx4cMt1yG9aPFJ5HTmv VT9JkDOK0KxtBrZLrb7yG5ciBA1OLC+yOnacL/2ldiMYgT0R0e0W2paMRhIY7Hdzekhxz46eWlwj4d 5EYmYVsk6Q0ZxkeFdm/FU3Y707Nhj8k/cE7mEL24InubL1uwOvCXc5xsKxN00QLCtYC1Whww4UxJB9 o= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 09:41:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58f8823feb624_714e3f9e5f5a5c34725d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mikkelfj commented on this pull request. > Endpoints MUST NOT exceed the limit set by their peer. An endpoint that -receives a STREAM frame that causes its advertised concurrent stream limit to be -exceeded MUST treat this as a stream error of type QUIC_TOO_MANY_OPEN_STREAMS -({{error-handling}}). - +receives a STREAM frame with an ID greater than the limit it has sent MUST treat +this as a stream error of type QUIC_TOO_MANY_OPEN_STREAMS ({{error-handling}}), +unless this is a result of a change in the initial offsets (see +{{zerortt-parameters}}). + +A Maximum Stream ID of 0 will cause a connection to be unusable. Application +protocols that use QUIC might require a certain minimum number of initial +streams to function correctly. If a peer advertises an maximum stream ID +(initial_stream_limit) that is too small for the selected application protocol If the connection is not closed no a MAX_STREAM_ID violation, both sides need to update state to treat the violating stream as closed/reset and not to be used again, or at least some rules should clarify what should happen. Also, if such a violation happens, there would likely come many more because the sender is not keeping track. Alternatively, the sender could use a RST with error as control signal to back off, but that is just more complex state handling. So the simplest solution seems to be to close the entire connection and simply require sender to respect the limit. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/421#discussion_r112410704 ----==_mimepart_58f8823feb624_714e3f9e5f5a5c34725d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 Endpoints MUST NOT exceed the limit set by their peer.  An endpoint that
-receives a STREAM frame that causes its advertised concurrent stream limit to be
-exceeded MUST treat this as a stream error of type QUIC_TOO_MANY_OPEN_STREAMS
-({{error-handling}}).
-
+receives a STREAM frame with an ID greater than the limit it has sent MUST treat
+this as a stream error of type QUIC_TOO_MANY_OPEN_STREAMS ({{error-handling}}),
+unless this is a result of a change in the initial offsets (see
+{{zerortt-parameters}}).
+
+A Maximum Stream ID of 0 will cause a connection to be unusable.  Application
+protocols that use QUIC might require a certain minimum number of initial
+streams to function correctly.  If a peer advertises an maximum stream ID
+(initial_stream_limit) that is too small for the selected application protocol

If the connection is not closed no a MAX_STREAM_ID violation, both sides need to update state to treat the violating stream as closed/reset and not to be used again, or at least some rules should clarify what should happen. Also, if such a violation happens, there would likely come many more because the sender is not keeping track. Alternatively, the sender could use a RST with error as control signal to back off, but that is just more complex state handling. So the simplest solution seems to be to close the entire connection and simply require sender to respect the limit.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 Connection flow control is a limit to the total bytes of stream data sent in
-STREAM frames on all streams contributing to connection flow control.  A
-receiver advertises credit for a connection by sending a WINDOW_UPDATE frame
-with the Stream ID set to zero (0x00).  A receiver maintains a cumulative sum of
-bytes received on all streams contributing to connection-level flow control, to
-check for flow control violations. A receiver may maintain a cumulative sum of
-bytes consumed on all contributing streams to determine the connection-level
-flow control offset to be advertised.
+STREAM frames on all streams.  A receiver advertises credit for a connection by
+sending a MAX_DATA frame.  A receiver maintains a cumulative sum of bytes

The limiting mechanism is now a maximum number. The smallest maximum that can be expressed is 0, so stream 0 is always OK.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 Endpoints MUST NOT exceed the limit set by their peer.  An endpoint that
-receives a STREAM frame that causes its advertised concurrent stream limit to be
-exceeded MUST treat this as a stream error of type QUIC_TOO_MANY_OPEN_STREAMS
-({{error-handling}}).
-
+receives a STREAM frame with an ID greater than the limit it has sent MUST treat
+this as a stream error of type QUIC_TOO_MANY_OPEN_STREAMS ({{error-handling}}),
+unless this is a result of a change in the initial offsets (see
+{{zerortt-parameters}}).
+
+A Maximum Stream ID of 0 will cause a connection to be unusable.  Application
+protocols that use QUIC might require a certain minimum number of initial
+streams to function correctly.  If a peer advertises an maximum stream ID
+(initial_stream_limit) that is too small for the selected application protocol

We require that exceeding the limit is punished with an error closure. But even if we didn't (see the 0-RTT exception), the connection still works when there are too many streams. The specific error code that Marten is talking about here is the case where you don't have enough streams to operate: a condition that is easily rectified by increasing the maximum stream ID.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 Connection flow control is a limit to the total bytes of stream data sent in
-STREAM frames on all streams contributing to connection flow control.  A
-receiver advertises credit for a connection by sending a WINDOW_UPDATE frame
-with the Stream ID set to zero (0x00).  A receiver maintains a cumulative sum of
-bytes received on all streams contributing to connection-level flow control, to
-check for flow control violations. A receiver may maintain a cumulative sum of
-bytes consumed on all contributing streams to determine the connection-level
-flow control offset to be advertised.
+STREAM frames on all streams.  A receiver advertises credit for a connection by
+sending a MAX_DATA frame.  A receiver maintains a cumulative sum of bytes

My bad, the TLS spec says that stream 0 doesn't count and this obviously removes that exception. That's a problem, I agree. Not sure what the right answer is here. We previously agreed that stream 0 was exempt from connection flow control, mainly due to problems with completing the handshake with 0-RTT, but with Victor's proposed changes, maybe we can avoid that. I'll restore the exemption for stream 0 in the meantime.

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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 Endpoints MUST NOT exceed the limit set by their peer.  An endpoint that
-receives a STREAM frame that causes its advertised concurrent stream limit to be
-exceeded MUST treat this as a stream error of type QUIC_TOO_MANY_OPEN_STREAMS
-({{error-handling}}).
-
+receives a STREAM frame with an ID greater than the limit it has sent MUST treat
+this as a stream error of type QUIC_TOO_MANY_OPEN_STREAMS ({{error-handling}}),
+unless this is a result of a change in the initial offsets (see
+{{zerortt-parameters}}).
+
+A Maximum Stream ID of 0 will cause a connection to be unusable.  Application
+protocols that use QUIC might require a certain minimum number of initial
+streams to function correctly.  If a peer advertises an maximum stream ID
+(initial_stream_limit) that is too small for the selected application protocol

My comment was aimed at @janaiyengar 's comment. I think I agree with Marten - I have not read up on 0-RTT.

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An old WINDOW_UPDATE (with a lower offset) might end up in a packet with a higher packet number if it is a retransmission, and the sender doesn't regenerate the frame.

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Is there are more general control frame flooding attack concern? For example starving stream 0.

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Loss or reordering can -mean that the maximum offset is greater than the total size of data received on -a stream. Receiving STREAM frames might not increase the maximum offset on a -stream if the maximum offset doesn't increase. A STREAM frame with a FIN bit -set or RST_STREAM causes the final offset for a stream to be fixed. +mean that the maximum offset on a stream can be greater than the total size of +data received on that stream. Conversely, receiving STREAM frames might not +increase the maximum offset on a stream if the maximum offset in the frame is +lower than the maximum received for that stream. I understand now what this says, but it's confusing, since maximum offset and MAX_DATA both represent maxima. I would suggest using "largest received offset" instead of "maximum offset". > @@ -1671,10 +1671,10 @@ Maximum Data: When counting data toward this limit, an endpoint accounts for the maximum offset of data that is sent or received on every stream. Loss or reordering can -mean that the maximum offset is greater than the total size of data received on -a stream. Receiving STREAM frames might not increase the maximum offset on a -stream if the maximum offset doesn't increase. A STREAM frame with a FIN bit -set or RST_STREAM causes the final offset for a stream to be fixed. +mean that the maximum offset on a stream can be greater than the total size of +data received on that stream. Conversely, receiving STREAM frames might not +increase the maximum offset on a stream if the maximum offset in the frame is "might not" --> "will not". If the STREAM frame's largest offset is lower than the largest received so far, the largest received offset will not increase. > @@ -2471,13 +2471,13 @@ considerations. MAX_STREAM_ID frames constitute minimal overhead, while withholding MAX_STREAM_ID frames can prevent the peer from using the available parallelism. -Implementations will likely want to increase the maximum stream ID as -peer-initiated streams close. Sending a MAX_STREAM_ID frame along with ACK -frames ensures a regular increase in the stream limit without generating excess +Sending any increase to the maximum stream ID in the same packet as an ACK frame +ensures a regular increase in the stream limit without generating excess This advice is true for all frames, including MAX_DATA and MAX_STREAM_DATA frames. I'd remove this sentence or say something about *when* to send the MAX_STREAM_ID frame rather than which frame to bundle it with. It might make sense to send it immediately after/along with a STREAM frame that carries a FIN or a RST_STREAM frame on a peer-initiated stream, for instance. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1671,10 +1671,10 @@ Maximum Data:
 
 When counting data toward this limit, an endpoint accounts for the maximum
 offset of data that is sent or received on every stream.  Loss or reordering can
-mean that the maximum offset is greater than the total size of data received on
-a stream.  Receiving STREAM frames might not increase the maximum offset on a
-stream if the maximum offset doesn't increase.  A STREAM frame with a FIN bit
-set or RST_STREAM causes the final offset for a stream to be fixed.
+mean that the maximum offset on a stream can be greater than the total size of
+data received on that stream.  Conversely, receiving STREAM frames might not
+increase the maximum offset on a stream if the maximum offset in the frame is
+lower than the maximum received for that stream.

I understand now what this says, but it's confusing, since maximum offset and MAX_DATA both represent maxima. I would suggest using "largest received offset" instead of "maximum offset".

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1671,10 +1671,10 @@ Maximum Data:
 
 When counting data toward this limit, an endpoint accounts for the maximum
 offset of data that is sent or received on every stream.  Loss or reordering can
-mean that the maximum offset is greater than the total size of data received on
-a stream.  Receiving STREAM frames might not increase the maximum offset on a
-stream if the maximum offset doesn't increase.  A STREAM frame with a FIN bit
-set or RST_STREAM causes the final offset for a stream to be fixed.
+mean that the maximum offset on a stream can be greater than the total size of
+data received on that stream.  Conversely, receiving STREAM frames might not
+increase the maximum offset on a stream if the maximum offset in the frame is

"might not" --> "will not". If the STREAM frame's largest offset is lower than the largest received so far, the largest received offset will not increase.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2471,13 +2471,13 @@ considerations.  MAX_STREAM_ID frames constitute minimal overhead, while
 withholding MAX_STREAM_ID frames can prevent the peer from using the available
 parallelism.
 
-Implementations will likely want to increase the maximum stream ID as
-peer-initiated streams close.  Sending a MAX_STREAM_ID frame along with ACK
-frames ensures a regular increase in the stream limit without generating excess
+Sending any increase to the maximum stream ID in the same packet as an ACK frame
+ensures a regular increase in the stream limit without generating excess

This advice is true for all frames, including MAX_DATA and MAX_STREAM_DATA frames. I'd remove this sentence or say something about when to send the MAX_STREAM_ID frame rather than which frame to bundle it with. It might make sense to send it immediately after/along with a STREAM frame that carries a FIN or a RST_STREAM frame on a peer-initiated stream, for instance.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The connection-level flow control offset is expressed in units of 1024 octets
-(for a stream identifier of 0).  That is, the connection-level flow control
-offset is determined by multiplying the encoded value by 1024.
+When counting data toward this limit, an endpoint accounts for the maximum
+offset of data that is sent or received on every stream.  Loss or reordering can
+mean that the maximum offset is greater than the total size of data received on
+a stream.  Receiving STREAM frames might not increase the maximum offset on a
+stream if the maximum offset doesn't increase.  A STREAM frame with a FIN bit
+set or RST_STREAM causes the final offset for a stream to be fixed.

Can you move this text to the MAX_STREAM_DATA section instead? It was written for WINDOW_UPDATE, which covered both connection and stream flow control.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ### Stream Limit Increment
 
 As with flow control, this document leaves when and how many streams to make
-available to a peer via LIMIT_UPDATE to the implementation, but offers a few
-considerations. LIMIT_UPDATE frames constitute minimal overhead, while
-withholding LIMIT_UPDATEs prevents the peer from fully utilizing the transport.
+available to a peer via MAX_STREAM_ID to implementations, but offers a few
+considerations.  MAX_STREAM_ID frames constitute minimal overhead, while
+withholding MAX_STREAM_ID frames can prevent the peer from using the available
+parallelism.
+
+Implementations will likely want to increase the maximum stream ID as
+peer-initiated streams close.  Sending a MAX_STREAM_ID frame along with ACK
+frames ensures a regular increase in the stream limit without generating excess

An ACK is sent about every two packets received, which is not the schedule that a MAX_STREAM_ID frame would be sent. I've left a comment in my review of the new text.

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> Saving frames is the only way the connection-level flow control window=
> makes sense. Otherwise, you'd have to commit (number of streams)*(= stream
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>
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control window?

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LGTM, minor nits.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -has data to send), but is currently flow control blocked. BLOCKED frames are
-purely informational frames, but extremely useful for debugging purposes. A
-receiver of a BLOCKED frame should simply discard it (after possibly printing a
-helpful log message). The frame is as follows:
+A sender sends a BLOCKED frame (type=0x08) when it wishes to send data, but is
+unable to due to connection-level flow control (see {{blocking}}). BLOCKED
+frames can be used as input to tuning of flow control algorithms (see
+{{fc-credit}}).
+
+The BLOCKED frame does not contain a payload.
+
+
+## STREAM_BLOCKED Frame {#frame-stream-blocked}
+
+A sender sends a STREAM_BLOCKED frame (type=0x09) when it wishes to send data,
+but is unable to due to stream-level flow control.  This stream is analogous to

I think you mean "this frame" rather than "this stream".

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 If a sender does not receive a MAX_DATA or MAX_STREAM_DATA frame when it has run
 out of flow control credit, the sender will be blocked and MUST send a BLOCKED
-frame.  A BLOCKED frame is expected to be useful for debugging at the receiver.
-A receiver SHOULD NOT wait for a BLOCKED frame before sending MAX_DATA or
+or STREAM_BLOCKED frame.  These frames are expected to be useful for debugging
+at the receiver, they do not require any other action.  A receiver SHOULD NOT

Comma splice. Use a semicolon or add a conjunction.

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----==_mimepart_58f909d42714e_38d3f88496a5c3c126963-- From nobody Thu Apr 20 12:25:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 284E61315BD for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 12:25:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DKSxsendAu_h for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 12:25:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CABA9129C03 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 12:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 12:25:02 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1492716302; bh=ZkHfJcxEUJEFsQNb/tiVtbQWApESABuW6fbIaP9wyxU=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=WCPYiA1ulkrwdTDjCaylR8Jg/jQx/9s47yQ1EtstAsE7DDZ5BYSoqclo7h+egvDnM dGnq72eQYDyrp2bi0XzWoQ/E9SMNdgpPFyA19wOZm31a//pk3GjK7YhireH2zTChHe 8/HelgXNUE0k+VEe3djzbBNXmUALHKECsK8Yc4T4= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Move crypto to stream 0, HTTP control to stream 1 (#456) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58f90b0e266df_689f3fd3da763c3c238f2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 19:25:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58f90b0e266df_689f3fd3da763c3c238f2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop approved this pull request. Crypto stream, still a special snowflake.... -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/456#pullrequestreview-33863797 ----==_mimepart_58f90b0e266df_689f3fd3da763c3c238f2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Maybe. Alternatively, you could model beyond-the-max-ID streams as havi= ng a max offset of zero -- just send a STREAM_BLOCKED frame referencing the= stream you'd like to open. Has the advantage of explicitly telling the se= nder how many streams are throttled behind their max, rather than just that= there is one.

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A vulnerable server, on receiving the stream data frag= ments, +might allocate memory covering the whole space from beginning to end. The = client +would then repeat the process on a large number of streams and a large num= ber +of connections, inducing the server to commit a large amout of memory. + +This attack can be mitigated by not +committing memory for stream data reassembly, +and simply keeping the STREAM DATA frames until enough fragments have been +received and the data can be delivered to the application in proper sequen= ce. Depending on what is meant by using up system memory, an attack may focus o= n locking out other connections new, or existing by forcing low congenstion= windows. Avoiding overcommits can make this situation worse if the attacke= r succesfully increases flow control budgets. For practical large scale solutions, the implementation needs to overcommit= very significantly. There can be 100K connections of which only a few hund= red are active. Each of these need write capacity immediately. If not, it b= oth impacts responsiveness, and it ties up resources by having more concurr= ent active work going on. The same applies by number of streams vs active s= treams in some use cases while other cases normally expect streams to be ac= tive or closed. If each connection classified as active gets a connection l= evel budget, it doesn't really matter what the stream budget is - this is m= ore for the application consumption management. If the connection budget is= abused with holes, it just hurts throughput of the sender and could limit = the ability to start new streams. The real problem is to decide which conne= ctions are active and which are sleeping without preventing fast rampup of = new and sleeping connections, and how to throttle back when connections are= no longer active. The attack is then to appear active while commiting the = least possible sender resources. A heuristic could be the age of holes. If = retransmission does not kick in timely, packets could be dropped deliberate= ly on that connection despite having a reasonable connection level budget. --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/444#discussion_r112556592= ----==_mimepart_58f91dfc7e24c_1f163ffcfc5c1c30147835 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +and send some STREAM DATA packets containin=
g fragments of the stream content.
+The goal of the attack is to induce the receiving implementation to commit
+memory buffers while waiting that the stream data can be reassembled.
+
+For example, a client
+might send some octets at the beginning of a
+stream and some octets much further
+away in the stream. A vulnerable server, on receiving the stream data frag=
ments,
+might allocate memory covering the whole space from beginning to end. The =
client
+would then repeat the process on a large number of streams and a large num=
ber
+of connections, inducing the server to commit a large amout of memory.
+
+This attack can be mitigated by not
+committing memory for stream data reassembly,
+and simply keeping the STREAM DATA frames until enough fragments have been
+received and the data can be delivered to the application in proper sequen=
ce.

Depending on what is meant by using up system memory, an attack may focu= s on locking out other connections new, or existing by forcing low congenst= ion windows. Avoiding overcommits can make this situation worse if the atta= cker succesfully increases flow control budgets.

For practical large scale solutions, the implementation needs to overcom= mit very significantly. There can be 100K connections of which only a few h= undred are active. Each of these need write capacity immediately. If not, i= t both impacts responsiveness, and it ties up resources by having more conc= urrent active work going on. The same applies by number of streams vs activ= e streams in some use cases while other cases normally expect streams to be= active or closed. If each connection classified as active gets a connectio= n level budget, it doesn't really matter what the stream budget is - this i= s more for the application consumption management. If the connection budget= is abused with holes, it just hurts throughput of the sender and could lim= it the ability to start new streams. The real problem is to decide which co= nnections are active and which are sleeping without preventing fast rampup = of new and sleeping connections, and how to throttle back when connections = are no longer active. The attack is then to appear active while commiting t= he least possible sender resources. A heuristic could be the age of holes. = If retransmission does not kick in timely, packets could be dropped deliber= ately on that connection despite having a reasonable connection level budge= t.

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A vulnerable server, on receiving the stream data fragments, +might allocate memory covering the whole space from beginning to end. The client +would then repeat the process on a large number of streams and a large number +of connections, inducing the server to commit a large amout of memory. + +This attack can be mitigated by not +committing memory for stream data reassembly, +and simply keeping the STREAM DATA frames until enough fragments have been +received and the data can be delivered to the application in proper sequence. I should perhaps clarify that in the above, a connection level budget is not a linear function of flow control. There is a fixed amount of internal memory, and as that is released, the congestion window is expanded. So storing lots of fragments will use memory faster and release memory slower, and thus reduce the connection level congestion window. And, when the memory fills, packets starts to drop. In this way, the worst case is that the full budget is consumed with holes, whereas a friendly peer would feel the same budget with linear stream data. The adversary can only create so many holes before the cost of whole punching is more expensive than linear data. Of course, there a endless different ways this can be handled, and it depends on the use case, risk, degradation when not under attack, etc., therefore it is hard to provide general advise. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/444#discussion_r112563071 ----==_mimepart_58f9255715b02_53703fe8006d3c3812822c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +and send some STREAM DATA packets containing fragments of the stream content.
+The goal of the attack is to induce the receiving implementation to commit
+memory buffers while waiting that the stream data can be reassembled.
+
+For example, a client
+might send some octets at the beginning of a
+stream and some octets much further
+away in the stream. A vulnerable server, on receiving the stream data fragments,
+might allocate memory covering the whole space from beginning to end. The client
+would then repeat the process on a large number of streams and a large number
+of connections, inducing the server to commit a large amout of memory.
+
+This attack can be mitigated by not
+committing memory for stream data reassembly,
+and simply keeping the STREAM DATA frames until enough fragments have been
+received and the data can be delivered to the application in proper sequence.

I should perhaps clarify that in the above, a connection level budget is not a linear function of flow control. There is a fixed amount of internal memory, and as that is released, the congestion window is expanded. So storing lots of fragments will use memory faster and release memory slower, and thus reduce the connection level congestion window. And, when the memory fills, packets starts to drop. In this way, the worst case is that the full budget is consumed with holes, whereas a friendly peer would feel the same budget with linear stream data. The adversary can only create so many holes before the cost of whole punching is more expensive than linear data. Of course, there a endless different ways this can be handled, and it depends on the use case, risk, degradation when not under attack, etc., therefore it is hard to provide general advise.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +and send some STREAM DATA packets containing fragments of the stream content.
+The goal of the attack is to induce the receiving implementation to commit
+memory buffers while waiting that the stream data can be reassembled.
+
+For example, a client
+might send some octets at the beginning of a
+stream and some octets much further
+away in the stream. A vulnerable server, on receiving the stream data fragments,
+might allocate memory covering the whole space from beginning to end. The client
+would then repeat the process on a large number of streams and a large number
+of connections, inducing the server to commit a large amout of memory.
+
+This attack can be mitigated by not
+committing memory for stream data reassembly,
+and simply keeping the STREAM DATA frames until enough fragments have been
+received and the data can be delivered to the application in proper sequence.

As you say, Mikkel, "it is hard to provide general advice". So maybe that's own we should rewrite the "advice" part of this PR. Something like "It is hard to provide general advice. QUIC deployments SHOULD provide mitigations against the stream fragmentation attack, which MAY be avoiding over-committing memory, delaying reassembly of STREAM DATA frames, or implementing heuristics based the age and duration of reassembly holes."

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@marten-seemann, you aren't supposed to retransmit WINDOW_UPDATE verbatim like that. A consequence of making a change like this would be a stronger prohibition on dumb retransmission strategies.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2471,13 +2471,13 @@ considerations.  MAX_STREAM_ID frames constitute minimal overhead, while
 withholding MAX_STREAM_ID frames can prevent the peer from using the available
 parallelism.
 
-Implementations will likely want to increase the maximum stream ID as
-peer-initiated streams close.  Sending a MAX_STREAM_ID frame along with ACK
-frames ensures a regular increase in the stream limit without generating excess
+Sending any increase to the maximum stream ID in the same packet as an ACK frame
+ensures a regular increase in the stream limit without generating excess

Yep, I think that I will just remove the paragraph. The advice on when to send is still present in the next paragraph, which is what you are looking for.

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I think that I like that better.

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Thu, 20 Apr 2017 23:40:01 -0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 16:40:01 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <58f946d146e04_2f963fe3b5855c2c107683@hookshot-fe5-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 89a044: Split BLOCKED into two Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_58f946d146a52_2f963fe3b5855c2c107523"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 23:50:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58f946d146a52_2f963fe3b5855c2c107523 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/split_blocked Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 89a044375bfeed40e7abb2d01c5839e279db6b4d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/89a044375bfeed40e7abb2d01c5839e279db6b4d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-21 (Fri, 21 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Split BLOCKED into two This matches the changes to WINDOW_UPDATE Commit: 0b63b7184b89265666ad7cae2d9b807464a185de https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0b63b7184b89265666ad7cae2d9b807464a185de Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-21 (Fri, 21 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix nits Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/8d349ad966d9...0b63b7184b89 ----==_mimepart_58f946d146a52_2f963fe3b5855c2c107523-- From nobody Thu Apr 20 16:57:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 147B2128ACA for ; 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Thu, 20 Apr 2017 23:57:00 -0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 16:56:59 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <58f94acb44de6_350a3f7e9f1d5c3813245a@hookshot-fe5-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 92c06d: Allow STREAM_BLOCKED on unopenable streams Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_58f94acb4488e_350a3f7e9f1d5c381323b1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 23:57:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58f94acb4488e_350a3f7e9f1d5c381323b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/stream_blocked_future Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 92c06d1d9eb24e803e64be3532865b84b1e376c0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/92c06d1d9eb24e803e64be3532865b84b1e376c0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-21 (Fri, 21 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Allow STREAM_BLOCKED on unopenable streams There's a problem I discovered here. We don't actually describe a transition from idle to half-closed or closed (see discussion about half-closing and unidirectional streams for more on this problem). The text mentions that RST_STREAM on an idle stream is permitted, but doesn't actually define any transitions. I have removed the allowance for RST_STREAM, but I believe that we need that transition. A new issue will be opened. ----==_mimepart_58f94acb4488e_350a3f7e9f1d5c381323b1-- From nobody Thu Apr 20 16:57:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A6F9128ACA for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 16:57:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MMXRur7bybtI for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 16:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1E30126DFB for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 16:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 16:57:53 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1492732674; bh=P3QmoV15xjBf1xn0/Ef/1meE6pBV2EQn/juoujOUeck=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Qt1K7gsS1xEBljP7JGqLxk/xOcRAxcu4XZ2Nh6PmEEWV0fd3TXBmtp7UfTwMkGjSl 5wgMGgmiM+YQ06pkZloYni6D0lG+gQY30k9tgAlPJbmKsJ6Xl6XV2zbXipltl/YWTD GZvQU9YTH+vVf9VQjfxMKOeEDjZDRCSvpqgi5lWo= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stream blocked future (#457) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58f94b01f1356_82a3ff9a2f79c301124d1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 23:57:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58f94b01f1356_82a3ff9a2f79c301124d1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @MikeBishop suggested this in #455. Unfortunately, it uncovered an issue with RST_STREAM in the "idle" state. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/457 -- Commit Summary -- * Split WINDOW_UPDATE into MAX_DATA and MAX_STREAM_DATA * The hazards of renaming things automatically * Fix IANA table * Jana's review comments * Fix frame type numbers * More feedback from Jana * Split BLOCKED into two * Fix nits * Allow STREAM_BLOCKED on unopenable streams -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (410) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/457.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/457.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/457 ----==_mimepart_58f94b01f1356_82a3ff9a2f79c301124d1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@MikeBishop suggested this in #455. Unfortunately, it uncovered an issue with RST_STREAM in the "idle" state.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/457

Commit Summary

  • Split WINDOW_UPDATE into MAX_DATA and MAX_STREAM_DATA
  • The hazards of renaming things automatically
  • Fix IANA table
  • Jana's review comments
  • Fix frame type numbers
  • More feedback from Jana
  • Split BLOCKED into two
  • Fix nits
  • Allow STREAM_BLOCKED on unopenable streams

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This appears to be a bug with the state machine. An endpoint is allowed to send RST_STREAM, but the draft doesn't actually define what happens. There is no text and no transitions in the picture.

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_58f959d27e8e3_d303fbd5bfcdc3c2507b7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 01:01:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58f959d27e8e3_d303fbd5bfcdc3c2507b7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/make_reset_sensible Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 80a2d8d189d2c1f8644ba081ad535b0f026bebfd https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/80a2d8d189d2c1f8644ba081ad535b0f026bebfd Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-21 (Fri, 21 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Split WINDOW_UPDATE into MAX_DATA and MAX_STREAM_DATA This also changes the name of the LIMIT_UPDATE frame to MAX_STREAM_ID to match. A lot of the text talked about stream offsets and had flow control affect maximum stream offsets. This turned out to be unnecessarily obtuse. The text in this changeset simply says that there is a limit to the amount of data that can be sent. This turns out to be a lot of changes, but I think that it is easier to understand as a result. Closes #443. Commit: 8d59c7704af74bf35b2297db8a550b966bfbb30c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8d59c7704af74bf35b2297db8a550b966bfbb30c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-21 (Fri, 21 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- The hazards of renaming things automatically Commit: 12145705abf1da36844ab724347a06785f280851 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/12145705abf1da36844ab724347a06785f280851 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-21 (Fri, 21 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix IANA table Commit: 2dcf870e1f5b745f352cce0baa1335d3b3a0929d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2dcf870e1f5b745f352cce0baa1335d3b3a0929d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-21 (Fri, 21 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Jana's review comments Commit: dbf369bfe4caf4f8e7ca5ca9a746548e12e40029 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dbf369bfe4caf4f8e7ca5ca9a746548e12e40029 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-21 (Fri, 21 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix frame type numbers Commit: b16861ae4dab5b84882304022726fdf44e157a4f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b16861ae4dab5b84882304022726fdf44e157a4f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-21 (Fri, 21 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- More feedback from Jana Commit: 9cbc59c5b500150338a31febec4b4de9c4bda2cc https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9cbc59c5b500150338a31febec4b4de9c4bda2cc Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-21 (Fri, 21 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- wip Commit: eb95bf65e4af280232924f471d6ad5eebcbdaa86 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/eb95bf65e4af280232924f471d6ad5eebcbdaa86 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-21 (Fri, 21 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Make RST_STREAM affect one direction only This is a change to how we describe stream states as they relate to RST_STREAM. It also corrects the omission whereby RST_STREAM didn't have any defined semantics from the idle state. Closes #458. Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/80a2d8d189d2^...eb95bf65e4af ----==_mimepart_58f959d27e8e3_d303fbd5bfcdc3c2507b7-- From nobody Thu Apr 20 18:08:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 876FE126B6D for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 18:08:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w2C-heqN3hP1 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 18:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 097CA128B90 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 18:08:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 18:08:03 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1492736883; bh=yJ+IKHCLTfxjx0wtCV3BADSY7n0o1+3hIb97LW7dFn4=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=TTFXkpOBMc8F8AJtNX6AivOST3n7494zZ40PwByVUPjV6qiLoqTKAWag2635kjFMI ZTYIy/ELk09SJfROUByVBX2KpsFgRRXjae9cKUTP0CiPIQJlmNfWu+ZUMJLiZjDUWj qlRN6hdArNwNxuRnsj43Fp6jTNJ4/D9znxPpkw9c= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Change RST_STREAM impact on state (#459) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58f95b7339e11_68cc3fa7446abc3056866"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 01:08:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58f95b7339e11_68cc3fa7446abc3056866 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The behaviour of RST_STREAM was fine, but it's description created several problems. Most of these problems manifested in a convoluted description of the closed state. The same problem existed in HTTP/2, but it was less of a problem there because of the strict ordering provided by TCP. This refactors the state machine to recognize that RST_STREAM is really unidirectional. Both sides need to send it or flow control gets screwy. So people can understand, here's the old state machine picture: ``` +--------+ | | | idle | | | +--------+ | | send data/ | recv data/ | recv higher stream | v +--------+ recv FIN | | send FIN ,---------| open |-----------. / | | \ v +--------+ v +----------+ | +----------+ | half | | | half | | closed | | send RST/ | closed | | (remote) | | recv RST | (local) | +----------+ | +----------+ | | | | send FIN/ | recv FIN/ | | send RST/ v send RST/ | | recv RST +--------+ recv RST | `------------->| |<---------------' | closed | | | +--------+ ``` The new one is a little simpler: ``` +--------+ recv RST | | send RST ,-------------| idle |---------------. / | | \ | +--------+ | | | | | send STREAM / recv STREAM | | | | | v | | recv FIN/ +--------+ send FIN/ | | recv RST | | send RST | | ,---------| open |-----------. | | / | | \ | v v +--------+ v v +----------+ +----------+ | half | | half | | closed | | closed | | (remote) | | (local) | +----------+ +----------+ | | | send FIN/ +--------+ recv FIN/ | \ send RST | | recv RST / `----------->| closed |<-------------' | | +--------+ ``` I've built this on top of #450 to make my life easier in the case that #450 is accepted (in other words, I'm betting on it being accepted). Closes #458. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/459 -- Commit Summary -- * Split WINDOW_UPDATE into MAX_DATA and MAX_STREAM_DATA * The hazards of renaming things automatically * Fix IANA table * Jana's review comments * Fix frame type numbers * More feedback from Jana * wip * Make RST_STREAM affect one direction only -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (609) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/459.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/459.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/459 ----==_mimepart_58f95b7339e11_68cc3fa7446abc3056866 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The behaviour of RST_STREAM was fine, but it's description created several problems. Most of these problems manifested in a convoluted description of the closed state. The same problem existed in HTTP/2, but it was less of a problem there because of the strict ordering provided by TCP.

This refactors the state machine to recognize that RST_STREAM is really unidirectional. Both sides need to send it or flow control gets screwy.

So people can understand, here's the old state machine picture:

                            +--------+
                            |        |
                            |  idle  |
                            |        |
                            +--------+
                                 |
                                 | send data/
                                 | recv data/
                                 | recv higher stream
                                 |
                                 v
                            +--------+
                recv FIN    |        |    send FIN
                  ,---------|  open  |-----------.
                 /          |        |            \
                v           +--------+             v
         +----------+            |             +----------+
         |   half   |            |             |   half   |
         |  closed  |            | send RST/   |  closed  |
         | (remote) |            | recv RST    |  (local) |
         +----------+            |             +----------+
             |                   |                    |
             | send FIN/         |          recv FIN/ |
             | send RST/         v          send RST/ |
             | recv RST     +--------+      recv RST  |
             `------------->|        |<---------------'
                            | closed |
                            |        |
                            +--------+

The new one is a little simpler:

                            +--------+
                 recv RST   |        |    send RST
              ,-------------|  idle  |---------------.
             /              |        |                \
            |               +--------+                 |
            |                    |                     |
            |        send STREAM / recv STREAM         |
            |                    |                     |
            |                    v                     |
            |    recv FIN/  +--------+    send FIN/    |
            |    recv RST   |        |    send RST     |
            |     ,---------|  open  |-----------.     |
            |    /          |        |            \    |
            v   v           +--------+             v   v
         +----------+                          +----------+
         |   half   |                          |   half   |
         |  closed  |                          |  closed  |
         | (remote) |                          |  (local) |
         +----------+                          +----------+
             |                                        |
             |   send FIN/  +--------+    recv FIN/   |
              \  send RST   |        |    recv RST   /
               `----------->| closed |<-------------'
                            |        |
                            +--------+

I've built this on top of #450 to make my life easier in the case that #450 is accepted (in other words, I'm betting on it being accepted).

Closes #458.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/459

Commit Summary

  • Split WINDOW_UPDATE into MAX_DATA and MAX_STREAM_DATA
  • The hazards of renaming things automatically
  • Fix IANA table
  • Jana's review comments
  • Fix frame type numbers
  • More feedback from Jana
  • wip
  • Make RST_STREAM affect one direction only

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Yep, looks fine. I'll give others a chance to poke at this a little before merging. > @@ -2697,6 +2697,25 @@ also be forward-secure encrypted. Since the attacker will not have the forward secure key, the attacker will not be able to generate forward-secure encrypted packets with ACK frames. +## Stream Fragmentation and Reassembly Attacks + +An adversarial endpoint might intentionally fragment the data on +stream buffers in order to cause disproportionate memory commitment. +The adversarial endpoint would open a stream, +and send some STREAM DATA packets containing arbitrary +fragments of the stream content. + +The attack is mitigated if flow control windows correspond to +available memory. However, some receivers will over-commit memory and advertise +flow control offsets in the aggregate that exceed actual available memory. +The over-commitment strategy may leads to better performance when "may leads" -> "can lead" > + +An adversarial endpoint might intentionally fragment the data on +stream buffers in order to cause disproportionate memory commitment. +The adversarial endpoint would open a stream, +and send some STREAM DATA packets containing arbitrary +fragments of the stream content. + +The attack is mitigated if flow control windows correspond to +available memory. However, some receivers will over-commit memory and advertise +flow control offsets in the aggregate that exceed actual available memory. +The over-commitment strategy may leads to better performance when +endpoints are well behaved, but renders endpoints vulnerable to +the stream fragmentation attack. + +QUIC deployments SHOULD provide mitigations against the stream fragmentation +attack. Mitigations MAY consist of avoiding over-committing memory, delaying Don't use "MAY" here, it's not permissive. "could" is fine. > +An adversarial endpoint might intentionally fragment the data on +stream buffers in order to cause disproportionate memory commitment. +The adversarial endpoint would open a stream, +and send some STREAM DATA packets containing arbitrary +fragments of the stream content. + +The attack is mitigated if flow control windows correspond to +available memory. However, some receivers will over-commit memory and advertise +flow control offsets in the aggregate that exceed actual available memory. +The over-commitment strategy may leads to better performance when +endpoints are well behaved, but renders endpoints vulnerable to +the stream fragmentation attack. + +QUIC deployments SHOULD provide mitigations against the stream fragmentation +attack. Mitigations MAY consist of avoiding over-committing memory, delaying +reassembly of STREAM DATA frames, implementing heuristics based on the "STREAM frames" -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/444#pullrequestreview-33920897 ----==_mimepart_58f96041d4933_4e0b3fb305d7fc3888862 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Yep, looks fine. I'll give others a chance to poke at this a little before merging.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2697,6 +2697,25 @@ also be forward-secure encrypted.  Since the attacker will not have the forward
 secure key, the attacker will not be able to generate forward-secure encrypted
 packets with ACK frames.
 
+## Stream Fragmentation and Reassembly Attacks
+
+An adversarial endpoint might intentionally fragment the data on
+stream buffers in order to cause disproportionate memory commitment.
+The adversarial endpoint would open a stream,
+and send some STREAM DATA packets containing arbitrary
+fragments of the stream content.
+
+The attack is mitigated if flow control windows correspond to
+available memory. However, some receivers will over-commit memory and advertise
+flow control offsets in the aggregate that exceed actual available memory.
+The over-commitment strategy may leads to better performance when

"may leads" -> "can lead"

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+An adversarial endpoint might intentionally fragment the data on
+stream buffers in order to cause disproportionate memory commitment.
+The adversarial endpoint would open a stream,
+and send some STREAM DATA packets containing arbitrary
+fragments of the stream content.
+
+The attack is mitigated if flow control windows correspond to
+available memory. However, some receivers will over-commit memory and advertise
+flow control offsets in the aggregate that exceed actual available memory.
+The over-commitment strategy may leads to better performance when
+endpoints are well behaved, but renders endpoints vulnerable to
+the stream fragmentation attack.
+
+QUIC deployments SHOULD provide mitigations against the stream fragmentation
+attack. Mitigations MAY consist of avoiding over-committing memory, delaying

Don't use "MAY" here, it's not permissive. "could" is fine.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +An adversarial endpoint might intentionally fragment the data on
+stream buffers in order to cause disproportionate memory commitment.
+The adversarial endpoint would open a stream,
+and send some STREAM DATA packets containing arbitrary
+fragments of the stream content.
+
+The attack is mitigated if flow control windows correspond to
+available memory. However, some receivers will over-commit memory and advertise
+flow control offsets in the aggregate that exceed actual available memory.
+The over-commitment strategy may leads to better performance when
+endpoints are well behaved, but renders endpoints vulnerable to
+the stream fragmentation attack.
+
+QUIC deployments SHOULD provide mitigations against the stream fragmentation
+attack. Mitigations MAY consist of avoiding over-committing memory, delaying
+reassembly of STREAM DATA frames, implementing heuristics based on the

"STREAM frames"

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +An adversarial endpoint might intentionally fragment the data on
+stream buffers in order to cause disproportionate memory commitment.
+The adversarial endpoint would open a stream,
+and send some STREAM DATA packets containing arbitrary
+fragments of the stream content.
+
+The attack is mitigated if flow control windows correspond to
+available memory. However, some receivers will over-commit memory and advertise
+flow control offsets in the aggregate that exceed actual available memory.
+The over-commitment strategy may leads to better performance when
+endpoints are well behaved, but renders endpoints vulnerable to
+the stream fragmentation attack.
+
+QUIC deployments SHOULD provide mitigations against the stream fragmentation
+attack. Mitigations MAY consist of avoiding over-committing memory, delaying
+reassembly of STREAM DATA frames, implementing heuristics based on the

OK, I believe I fixed all that...

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----==_mimepart_58f961bb81e53_3d923f9853e73c38844f6-- From nobody Thu Apr 20 22:25:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EAF0127B52 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 22:25:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qOf1b8BKOU3d for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 22:25:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 00131124BFA for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 22:25:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=fLqAMgyzKAx4DFlFaqu/xdJYBhs=; b=LyXP1AuqxSORbeAl VOFD2y5gP5OJLuZeRBUrDNdalmd6Z/ChUBmZIhTc+lq507iA3DoWRrVEEcfnyhJ+ ZG84id6CythQXU59ppzXvQQCCDVRBN/Kl/GUXGkRIB+XXWdt2L2ekYa04GagfS3N tKPYWUj3cDGT+zBoe8yZTRsaDrA= Received: by filter0934p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0934p1mdw1-3583-58F997D9-F 2017-04-21 05:25:45.159481993 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id E5spinKQSd6lNysm87hDNQ for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2017 05:25:45.094 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 22:25:45 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stream1 is not that special (#384) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58f997d97a79_2db13fcd7b707c3067090"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0Bf04vFYvcTuVyGD7IiHjFb+XovdY8gutsLn 3f+rl8d3UgJErJNNuMrqQ/8/YOROqQZs5Spx9lfqhG4u4iMSZFLK7i8UMsgfi7YtAseTsWADqDgvXF Ne46Q5WpXpeUIrDKX4CnJWfP36wQkO17X9nxF0OLJ0DVzC7LivbQ0lQtHPvXyf7KkdNxEaNGyKedqU E= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 05:25:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58f997d97a79_2db13fcd7b707c3067090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #384. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/384#event-1051833203 ----==_mimepart_58f997d97a79_2db13fcd7b707c3067090 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Closed #384.

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We're not going to do this I think.

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There are a few little wrinkles that I think we might want to discuss a little. First, this is a one-time password, so the combination of key and connection ID can't ever be repeated for a given server instance. Our 64-bit connection ID space isn't really enough to provide this. How a server moves to a new static key during operation will be challenging; it probably needs to partition the connection ID space. 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There are a few little wrinkles that I think we might want to discuss a little. First, this is a one-time password. That means that the combination of key and connection ID can't ever be repeated for a given server instance. Our 64-bit connection ID space isn't really enough to provide this. How a server moves to a new static key during operation will be challenging; it probably needs to partition the connection ID space. Second, transport parameters are encrypted. #20 made a point of having the verifier in the clear so that intermediaries could validate the Public Reset. I don't want to create a second TLS extension, but I guess that is the best option we have available to us if this is what is required. I don't think we should move transport parameters into the clear either. Closes #215, #20. 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This takes @ekr's design from #20 and expands on it quite a bit. There are a few little wrinkles that I think we might want to discuss a little.

First, this is a one-time password. That means that the combination of key and connection ID can't ever be repeated for a given server instance. Our 64-bit connection ID space isn't really enough to provide this. How a server moves to a new static key during operation will be challenging; it probably needs to partition the connection ID space.

Second, transport parameters are encrypted. #20 made a point of having the verifier in the clear so that intermediaries could validate the Public Reset. I don't want to create a second TLS extension, but I guess that is the best option we have available to us if this is what is required. I don't think we should move transport parameters into the clear either.

Closes #215, #20.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/460

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This is effectively the first layer of unidirectional streams we had already been talking about -- an equivalent way to state this is that streams are pairs of unidirectional bytestreams, each of which moves through the idle->open->closed cycle independently. "Half-closed" is a shorthand to denote a stream in which one bytestream is closed and the other is not. When I did my scratch branch of what that would look like, I also divided the frames into "stream-independent," "sender," and "receiver" frames. For each of those unidirectional byte streams, there are frames that the sender generates (STREAM, BLOCKED, RST_STREAM) and frames that the receiver generates as feedback (WINDOW_UPDATE, REQUEST_RST). As long as the stream is open in that direction, those frames are valid to flow. When the stream closes in that direction, those frames are no longer needed/valid. > ### half-closed (local) A stream that is in the "half-closed (local)" state MUST NOT be used for sending -STREAM frames; MAX_STREAM_DATA and RST_STREAM MAY be sent in this state. - -A stream transitions from this state to "closed" when a STREAM frame that -contains a FIN flag is received and all prior data has arrived, or when either -peer sends a RST_STREAM frame. +of new STREAM frames. Retransmission of data that has already been sent on Nit: Do we send data "on" STREAM frames? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/459#pullrequestreview-34070430 ----==_mimepart_58fa37101e0f4_47663feec1b9bc3075167 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

This is effectively the first layer of unidirectional streams we had already been talking about -- an equivalent way to state this is that streams are pairs of unidirectional bytestreams, each of which moves through the idle->open->closed cycle independently. "Half-closed" is a shorthand to denote a stream in which one bytestream is closed and the other is not.

When I did my scratch branch of what that would look like, I also divided the frames into "stream-independent," "sender," and "receiver" frames. For each of those unidirectional byte streams, there are frames that the sender generates (STREAM, BLOCKED, RST_STREAM) and frames that the receiver generates as feedback (WINDOW_UPDATE, REQUEST_RST). As long as the stream is open in that direction, those frames are valid to flow. When the stream closes in that direction, those frames are no longer needed/valid.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ### half-closed (local)
 
 A stream that is in the "half-closed (local)" state MUST NOT be used for sending
-STREAM frames; MAX_STREAM_DATA and RST_STREAM MAY be sent in this state.
-
-A stream transitions from this state to "closed" when a STREAM frame that
-contains a FIN flag is received and all prior data has arrived, or when either
-peer sends a RST_STREAM frame.
+of new STREAM frames.  Retransmission of data that has already been sent on

Nit: Do we send data "on" STREAM frames?

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----==_mimepart_58fa37101e0f4_47663feec1b9bc3075167-- From nobody Fri Apr 21 10:46:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E5B129B55 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2017 10:45:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3a_jwfl75Gsp for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2017 10:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91441129B1B for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2017 10:45:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=KBg1JKmg4Zs4svNPVho+8pAsboI=; b=F/twXeHcl0Ga3afb OGgFq4uJ4MqZRJmH+243SCkqcqFB3p7aVKIXNIvhDTEYeb9YMGlsDfF6OM+rFs5j Zu79X15dGa9k0GZmUIpZWBCaUHWl18h/9WFvkxJI9a6MhHjRQsRptYuRsRJ0bduz fnvL11dhMak4qmJ5s+8VfEWnDQ8= Received: by filter1071p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1071p1mdw1-13462-58FA4555-3A 2017-04-21 17:45:57.627031419 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id uzQu1w_tRPyFrHyY68__BQ for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2017 17:45:57.575 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 10:45:57 -0700 From: hardie Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Change RST_STREAM impact on state (#459) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58fa4555785ff_6bad3f9161455c2c17934d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: hardie X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0+r/G/qUdhowE1164fZK0RPgTh3K3GfYJ5yL auC4jJ7yLJHwL7lWZSig03lzaKDWXdWsri4zqVNQH27K18NzUr4HUw5V8K6eyjdqLaoMBkB5/P5VvT GDrpPhNPNMSyD/QEMJetldBncFyAXgBQAZZC5v5bgcfRWBGtaJJgDfvUvfD0VyHMn0n4D/JRS7+QTQ 8= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 17:46:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58fa4555785ff_6bad3f9161455c2c17934d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While I agree with Mike that this design could be the fist step toward a unidirectional stream model, it seems to met that it doesn't make sense to switch to that model yet. Unless/until we get to a point where we stream types that are not always matched by a stream in the "reverse" direction, I think "half-closed" will be more accessible terminology. The unidirectional stream approach implies capabilities/characteristics that I don't think we're using (yet). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/459#issuecomment-296257574 ----==_mimepart_58fa4555785ff_6bad3f9161455c2c17934d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

While I agree with Mike that this design could be the fist step toward a= unidirectional stream model, it seems to met that it doesn't make sense to= switch to that model yet. Unless/until we get to a point where we stream = types that are not always matched by a stream in the "reverse" direction, I= think "half-closed" will be more accessible terminology. The unidirection= al stream approach implies capabilities/characteristics that I don't think = we're using (yet).

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@hardie= , maybe a separate discussion, but there are stages, and we decide how far = we want to go.

  1. Stream are bidirectional bytestreams with a single state (idle, open, h= alf-closed, closed)
  2. Stream are pairs of unidirectional bytestreams, each of which has a sta= te (idle, open, closed)
  3. Streams are unidirectional bytestreams, each of which has a state, and = any association between streams in opposite directions needs to be defined = and communicated by the app protocol.

I agree that (3) would be a huge departure. Potentially useful -- but w= e're not there yet, if ever. (2), I'm thinking it might be time for. I do= n't think that's actually a harder mental model -- if anything, it simplifi= es the state machine. The current state machine is really just a cross-pro= duct of the two.

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= ----==_mimepart_58fa477cbef68_1fbd3fe087015c3c8967f-- From nobody Fri Apr 21 13:17:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A467127BA3 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2017 13:17:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pgt48V8f1sqy for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2017 13:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3FB3126FDC for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2017 13:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 13:17:14 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1492805835; bh=Xo2/EVuYVBsgfvQr7AAmpgsvzdo5qeJnBuo64VbIi/E=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=QiDcL/H07b8B877xOZNUTf0Gb5B8u+PdjNMro87tiAXjwV+iG27HT8yqdixwosF7e r46+VzfgW15vsCnBJA1vJYyZQW3xVByjxDzwW8MZQlJ6QAnMapCtpIZ5t3gKyPkYa5 c6J5eZkEppA9UGV+B2Us80sakJ3AES9AB/tMhsfU= From: hardie Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Change RST_STREAM impact on state (#459) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58fa68caf1271_9783fdf0f8a1c301320a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: hardie X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 20:17:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58fa68caf1271_9783fdf0f8a1c301320a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @MikeBishop The key question seems to be the extent to which one stream's state can be independent of its peer's. In model 1, they are tightly coupled. In model 2, an open stream may be paired with a related stream that is open or idle, but it may not be paired with one that is closed (or you have a unidirectional stream with no way to reset it at the transport layer). In model 3, a stream may be linked with nothing or to one or more streams and is up to the application to sort it all out. I think we are still at model 1, even with this description change. I'm not actually sure I see the advantage of switching to model two unless we believe either that it is a stepping stone to 3 or that there are applications where open streams paired with idle streams makes sense. I don't have a personal example of that, so it's coming down to "stepping stone to 3" for me. That's why I'm at "not yet". I'm hapy to hear if I'm missing something, though. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/459#issuecomment-296295737 ----==_mimepart_58fa68caf1271_9783fdf0f8a1c301320a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@Mike= Bishop The key question seems to be the extent to which one stream's= state can be independent of its peer's. In model 1, they are tightly co= upled. In model 2, an open stream may be paired with a related stream th= at is open or idle, but it may not be paired with one that is closed (or = you have a unidirectional stream with no way to reset it at the transport= layer). In model 3, a stream may be linked with nothing or to one or mo= re streams and is up to the application to sort it all out.

I think we are still at model 1, even with this description change. I= 'm not actually sure I see the advantage of switching to model two unless= we believe either that it is a stepping stone to 3 or that there are app= lications where open streams paired with idle streams makes sense. I don= 't have a personal example of that, so it's coming down to "stepping ston= e to 3" for me. That's why I'm at "not yet".

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= ----==_mimepart_58fa68caf1271_9783fdf0f8a1c301320a-- From nobody Sat Apr 22 02:53:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D991200FC for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2017 02:53:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5l9vQVxVgX76 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2017 02:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 774FE1292F5 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2017 02:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 02:53:43 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1492854823; bh=pqoXK4wNMP9PKipvG7EvkIiVMsVA/2b8efEnkrZs7JQ=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=EzXhaCmlLaClGOhBEnjA3qlg7ZqmStLZICgsKxndxoNImiNLwweI/Z4cD8q3KaiI/ 4kJn0J7MLq+7mm0CnynAT6D9Z0Xxe1O9cQp+juF9QPl1EYs1jx6fX6bNQoFIyP5OHN zFq27mtKt9TH0IgZsy15/Q/snFBawrdl804tzHdU= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Change RST_STREAM impact on state (#459) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58fb28275f08d_78873fa2c7aa1c30334e7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 09:53:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58fb28275f08d_78873fa2c7aa1c30334e7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I strongly favor uni-directional streams as in model 3. It may be hard to argue for model 3 when considering a classic request reply model, but if implementing an application protocol agnostic async API for QUIC, the API becomes much simpler in model 3 and will consequently be much less error prone and have a smaller attack surface. If sending a request, the stream can be closed immediately and torn down after sending FIN without waiting for the peer - state is then only needed for retransmission. There are many use cases where there is no direct request/reply pattern, for example the pub/sub pattern where you subscribe on one write stream, handle errors on a read stream, and have a separate read stream for each subscribed topic. Logging and system monitoring also falls into this category. I also much approve of the new RST_STREAM behavior, but it has the downside that it is not possible to unilaterally force a stream to be fully closed because DISINTEREST is only advisory. It is possible to implement to implement silent close at the api level if the receiver accepts a peer stream as either R/W or RO and an initiator creates a stream as R/W or WO. Then a RST or FIN is not needed nor expected on the one half of a stream and consequently resources can be freed earlier, and an error can be issued if the expectations are violated. However, this is much more complicated to manage that uni-directional streams. If a uni-directional approach is chosen, as in model 3, I believe the receiver should have the power to force the stream to be closed and be able to error the connection after a timeout. The main problem with handling RPC request/reply over unilateral streams is that the request cannot specify which stream the reply should appear on, unless multiplexing replies on known streams. A requester therefore needs to send a request context and look up that context on any new peer initiated reply stream. Since a new peer stream may have several purposes, this further complicates the lookup since both the stream purpose and request context must now be identified. This is an argument for keeping bi-directional streams. I just don't think it is worth the complication. Model 2 might have some merit in solving the above RPC problem, but I haven't given this a lot of thought. My intuition tells me that model 2 is largely the same as model 1 with the unidiretional RST_STREAM behaviour, and still has a lot of state complexity. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/459#issuecomment-296362049 ----==_mimepart_58fb28275f08d_78873fa2c7aa1c30334e7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I strongly favor uni-directional streams as in model 3. It may be hard= to argue for model 3 when considering a classic request reply model, but= if implementing an application protocol agnostic async API for QUIC, the= API becomes much simpler in model 3 and will consequently be much less e= rror prone and have a smaller attack surface. If sending a request, the s= tream can be closed immediately and torn down after sending FIN without w= aiting for the peer - state is then only needed for retransmission.

There are many use cases where there is no direct request/reply patter= n, for example the pub/sub pattern where you subscribe on one write strea= m, handle errors on a read stream, and have a separate read stream for ea= ch subscribed topic. Logging and system monitoring also falls into this c= ategory.

I also much approve of the new RST_STREAM behavior, but it has the dow= nside that it is not possible to unilaterally force a stream to be fully = closed because DISINTEREST is only advisory.

It is possible to implement to implement silent close at the api level= if the receiver accepts a peer stream as either R/W or RO and an initiat= or creates a stream as R/W or WO. Then a RST or FIN is not needed nor exp= ected on the one half of a stream and consequently resources can be freed= earlier, and an error can be issued if the expectations are violated. Ho= wever, this is much more complicated to manage that uni-directional strea= ms.

If a uni-directional approach is chosen, as in model 3, I believe the = receiver should have the power to force the stream to be closed and be ab= le to error the connection after a timeout.

The main problem with handling RPC request/reply over unilateral strea= ms is that the request cannot specify which stream the reply should appea= r on, unless multiplexing replies on known streams. A requester therefore= needs to send a request context and look up that context on any new peer= initiated reply stream. Since a new peer stream may have several purpose= s, this further complicates the lookup since both the stream purpose and = request context must now be identified. This is an argument for keeping b= i-directional streams. I just don't think it is worth the complication.

Model 2 might have some merit in solving the above RPC problem, but I = haven't given this a lot of thought. My intuition tells me that model 2 i= s largely the same as model 1 with the unidiretional RST_STREAM behaviour= , and still has a lot of state complexity.

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https://quicwg.github.io/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#rfc.section.5.1

The graphic seems to suggest that bit 0 indicates a long header given the bit numbering sequence, but it appears to be encoded as bit 7.

 0                   1                   2                   3
 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|1|   Type (7)  |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                                                               |
+                       Connection ID (64)                      +
|                                                               |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                       Packet Number (32)                      |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                         Version (32)                          |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                          Payload (*)                        ...
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

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It's definitely not OK to not block on this in case when client auth is = being used. When client auth is not used, it should be okay, since the rec= ord layer MAC should be equivalent in coverage to the contents of the Finis= hed message. If you want, I can attempt to write up what goes into both.

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Hah, that's a pretty obvious error. You are right: that is bit 7.

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This assertion that record layer authentication is equivalent to the F= inished message is one that caused cryptographers considerable heartburn.= They were unwilling to commit to that being sufficient for key confirma= tion for a range of reasons.

Your point about client authentication is not so clear-cut. It is arg= uably possible to have two boolean status values at the server: "is the c= onnection up" and "is the client authenticated", which can lead to a situ= ation where the server can provide some responses even if the cl= ient isn't authenticated. Think about those cases where we have post-han= dshake authentication. There are some things on the server that aren't u= niversally accessible to unauthenticated clients, but maybe not everythin= g.

In the general case though, you are right. Generally, guidance is tha= t a server that has requested that the client authenticate wait until it = knows for sure. But we have a lot of servers that request authentication= for clients but don't close the connection if the client refuses. That = suggests that the above model - while more complex - is at least valid.

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I've heard a lot of claims about record-layer MAC being insufficient, but so far nobody has articulated said "range of reasons", at least on the WG mailing list.

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Specifically, the conventional way to analyze the security of a handshake protocol such as the TLS 1.3 handshake is to have it spit out a "session key" with the (or at least one) objective being that if both sides think that the handshake is complete then they will also have matching session keys ([CK01]; defn 1). Because the Finished MAC uses keys which are internal to the handshake (and independent of the traffic keys), then you can prove this fact about the TLS handshake without knowing anything about the record layer behavior and in fact no matter what shenanigans go on at the record layer. If you don't receive the Finished message and use the receipt of an application-layer record then you don't have this assurance at the server side that the client completed the handshake if you just analyze the handshake itself, so you need to also analyze the application layer. To some extent this is just a barrier to analysis and there are analytic techniques which can handle both the handshake and record layer at once, but it's at least possible to imagine situations in which this would lead to problems. For instance, you might imagine having a protocol which negotiated a very weak record layer MAC (as people sometimes do with SRTP), in which case, you would have a correspondingly weak assertion that the client completed the handshake. [CK01] Canetti, R. and H. Krawczyk, "Analysis of Key-Exchange Protocols and Their Use for Building Secure Channels", Proceedings of Eurocrypt 2001 , 2001. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/446#issuecomment-296499054 ----==_mimepart_58fd425889f6a_292f3faa611dfc2c10216b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The issue here is about the composability of the handshake and the recor= d layer.

Specifically, the conventional way to analyze the security of a handshak= e protocol such as the TLS 1.3 handshake is to have it spit out a "session = key" with the (or at least one) objective being that if both sides think th= at the handshake is complete then they will also have matching session keys= ([CK01]; defn 1). Because the Finished MAC uses keys which are internal to= the handshake (and independent of the traffic keys), then you can prove th= is fact about the TLS handshake without knowing anything about the record l= ayer behavior and in fact no matter what shenanigans go on at the record la= yer.

If you don't receive the Finished message and use the receipt of an appl= ication-layer record then you don't have this assurance at the server side = that the client completed the handshake if you just analyze the handshake i= tself, so you need to also analyze the application layer. To some extent th= is is just a barrier to analysis and there are analytic techniques which ca= n handle both the handshake and record layer at once, but it's at least pos= sible to imagine situations in which this would lead to problems. For insta= nce, you might imagine having a protocol which negotiated a very weak recor= d layer MAC (as people sometimes do with SRTP), in which case, you would ha= ve a correspondingly weak assertion that the client completed the handshake= .

[CK01] Canetti, R. and H. Krawczyk, "Analysis of Key-Exchange Proto= cols and Their Use for Building Secure Channels", Proceedings of Eurocrypt= 2001 , 2001.

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Commit: c4cad2fcbcf1cd8dbd95bbb45485e4cae18748e9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c4cad2fcbcf1cd8dbd95bbb45485e4cae18748e9 Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Adding a description of stream commitment attacks in security section See discussion of issue #435: Stream ID sequential order may create head of queue blocking. Commit: 12dd1f54f9f043c8700991d8d61ef24ac4ba8a02 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/12dd1f54f9f043c8700991d8d61ef24ac4ba8a02 Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Commit: dade254760334723363773208743522fd1ab813d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dade254760334723363773208743522fd1ab813d Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Commit: 464a222e9dda89d2b06d7e46be3fcea980c9bc3b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/464a222e9dda89d2b06d7e46be3fcea980c9bc3b Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Splitting long lines so the verification does not complains so much. 80 char limit. Seriously? Commit: ddefb663dbeb16701bcf6181ae5176a5b52bf1ad https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ddefb663dbeb16701bcf6181ae5176a5b52bf1ad Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Log Message: ----------- Removing a trailing white space. Because that's what the check in control says. draft-ietf-quic-transport.md contains trailing whitespace make: *** [latest] Error 1 Whatever... Commit: 105e26eb0563364010052ad46a62418ecbf8c9c3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/105e26eb0563364010052ad46a62418ecbf8c9c3 Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove the trailing white space??? Some of my input lines ended with a space. Apparently, that's enough to spook the verifier. Weird. Commit: 6a0337c7771fd8787dc42dc58d6adb151f00cc24 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6a0337c7771fd8787dc42dc58d6adb151f00cc24 Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Removing trailing spaces on some of changed lines I have lots of emotional things to say about such checks... Commit: 693758bd94e549cd4895de8b511fca9a843a0d85 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/693758bd94e549cd4895de8b511fca9a843a0d85 Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Shortening the text, per Martin Thomson's review Commit: a169a171d79ae43ded2b4a237b6996938b59ac13 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a169a171d79ae43ded2b4a237b6996938b59ac13 Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Trailing white spaces. This check is heinous. Commit: d2444849b79176f61c79771c66677bec28108d95 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d2444849b79176f61c79771c66677bec28108d95 Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Simplifying the text, per Martin's review Commit: 48f580ccbc19fa900c43e37eb065c20999abb2f0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/48f580ccbc19fa900c43e37eb065c20999abb2f0 Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Commit: dec12c295c05a6e180f5d494c2f42b1665f0cba5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dec12c295c05a6e180f5d494c2f42b1665f0cba5 Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- fixing the slowloris reference. Commit: bfd754a4883ad53a9edd2688f080fdc3ca245050 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bfd754a4883ad53a9edd2688f080fdc3ca245050 Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Strengthen the SHOULD mitigate text Also, fix the line>80 characters, so we can easily transfer the MD file to punch cards. Commit: f725b84c8cd3d989ae28c8bd8a1d3ccfc44cf834 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f725b84c8cd3d989ae28c8bd8a1d3ccfc44cf834 Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- More punch cards. Commit: dbdcad821c05f728db4ea434dd0e3d261ed2cb5b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dbdcad821c05f728db4ea434dd0e3d261ed2cb5b Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- I thought I was done with punch cards 40 years ago. Commit: 0eeb693b59ac0a55c4224063f2bb9b2d5d197449 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0eeb693b59ac0a55c4224063f2bb9b2d5d197449 Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- trailing white space. The 70's are back with a vengeance. Commit: 6aa8d9ea2cbfc552f39cb3f6a43994ab08891522 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6aa8d9ea2cbfc552f39cb3f6a43994ab08891522 Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- whatever. Commit: 9dbba1032099ede1727e9bdb5907a4c686eb1a51 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9dbba1032099ede1727e9bdb5907a4c686eb1a51 Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Punch me. Commit: 46f293cbc6dda6059e8e26e17c4a9bf304590637 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/46f293cbc6dda6059e8e26e17c4a9bf304590637 Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-20 (Thu, 20 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Simplifying the mitigation text Since there is no "one size fits all" mitigation, simplify the recommendations. The point is to draw attention to the problem, and trust developers to do the right thing. Commit: 040a5fef588e409c2a8a22088768fdfbf443bc81 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/040a5fef588e409c2a8a22088768fdfbf443bc81 Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-20 (Thu, 20 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- And fixing a typo. Commit: a168b3bd50a08fe0a984abc960452e90950ec19b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a168b3bd50a08fe0a984abc960452e90950ec19b Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-20 (Thu, 20 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- STREAM frames. Commit: 31872b3649f9fd01edd84900730d341abe1cff9a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/31872b3649f9fd01edd84900730d341abe1cff9a Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-20 (Thu, 20 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Can lead Commit: b47c0307b3c07326bd86b59642e70bf7cf1ea34e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b47c0307b3c07326bd86b59642e70bf7cf1ea34e Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-20 (Thu, 20 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- MAY -> could Commit: 1bacf33cd2d40d0959efef79e35d525a5e0e8fb9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1bacf33cd2d40d0959efef79e35d525a5e0e8fb9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-24 (Mon, 24 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'patch-1' of https://github.com/huitema/base-drafts into christian_attacks Commit: 1457f3981838cd63a3662ed76cefe4dc6c490a12 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1457f3981838cd63a3662ed76cefe4dc6c490a12 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-24 (Mon, 24 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'patch-2' of https://github.com/huitema/base-drafts into christian_attacks Commit: c61ac1163d47d052146e4f78db6a1487edd5c327 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c61ac1163d47d052146e4f78db6a1487edd5c327 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-24 (Mon, 24 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'patch-3' of https://github.com/huitema/base-drafts into christian_attacks Commit: 00b7da74273286b4507ca4453ff44fd15c2c1082 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/00b7da74273286b4507ca4453ff44fd15c2c1082 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-24 (Mon, 24 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Wrap, editorial fixes Commit: c89eb53e0ffff3e4340f6bae6b845247a8bd9b63 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c89eb53e0ffff3e4340f6bae6b845247a8bd9b63 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-24 (Mon, 24 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into christian_attacks Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/1390ba89842d...c89eb53e0fff ----==_mimepart_58fd54a870bc5_daf3f7eda3a5c30960c7-- From nobody Sun Apr 23 18:28:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B8E212783A for ; 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I think that the semantics we want here are "DISCARD", not "DISINTEREST". FWIW, I also think that the semantics for RST_STREAM are "CANCEL" rather than "RESET". "RESET" implies TCP RST semantics, which aren't appropriate for QUIC. I'd like to get away from our TCP legacy where possible. > +An endpoint may use a DISINTEREST frame (type=0x08) to communicate that incoming +data is being discarded on receipt at application request. This signals a peer +to abruptly terminate transmission on a stream. The frame is as follows: + +~~~ + 0 1 2 3 + 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Stream ID (32) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +~~~ + +The fields are: + +* Error code: A 32-bit error code which indicates why the data is being + discarded. This field is shown in the figure. > @@ -2526,6 +2571,9 @@ QUIC_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM (0x80000007): QUIC_MISSING_PAYLOAD (0x80000030): : The packet contained no payload. +QUIC_RECEIVED_RST (0x80000035): +: Terminating stream because peer sent a RST_STREAM or DISINTEREST. Having just gone over the error codes, I think that NO_ERROR is perfectly appropriate for this. You have removed the existing one-way semantic from RST_STREAM+NO_ERROR and put that in a new frame, but the idea remains that there are cases for RST_STREAM where the stream just isn't wanted any more. NO_ERROR fits perfectly to my mind. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/171#pullrequestreview-34214471 ----==_mimepart_58fd952b1b0b0_3e5c3fb5193cdc3851811 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson approved this pull request.

I think that the semantics we want here are "DISCARD", not "DISINTEREST".

FWIW, I also think that the semantics for RST_STREAM are "CANCEL" rather than "RESET". "RESET" implies TCP RST semantics, which aren't appropriate for QUIC. I'd like to get away from our TCP legacy where possible.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +An endpoint may use a DISINTEREST frame (type=0x08) to communicate that incoming
+data is being discarded on receipt at application request.  This signals a peer
+to abruptly terminate transmission on a stream.  The frame is as follows:
+
+~~~
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                        Stream ID (32)                         |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~
+
+The fields are:
+
+* Error code: A 32-bit error code which indicates why the data is being
+  discarded.

This field is shown in the figure.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2526,6 +2571,9 @@ QUIC_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM (0x80000007):
 QUIC_MISSING_PAYLOAD (0x80000030):
 : The packet contained no payload.
 
+QUIC_RECEIVED_RST (0x80000035):
+: Terminating stream because peer sent a RST_STREAM or DISINTEREST.

Having just gone over the error codes, I think that NO_ERROR is perfectly appropriate for this. You have removed the existing one-way semantic from RST_STREAM+NO_ERROR and put that in a new frame, but the idea remains that there are cases for RST_STREAM where the stream just isn't wanted any more. NO_ERROR fits perfectly to my mind.

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----==_mimepart_58fd952b1b0b0_3e5c3fb5193cdc3851811-- From nobody Mon Apr 24 10:21:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE1313189B for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2017 10:21:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F6AphEBKJSKQ for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2017 10:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext8.iad.github.net [192.30.252.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82CF7131887 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2017 10:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 10:21:31 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1493054491; bh=QNlOm8wHNj3Z113/aLZJehbyiU9G3gjvuHmMSRJL7vs=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=yICfvAiSE4TqNyj1WhAu00fgVk6pm86dJUPny8XSXbLAty2SNiLA0XoE+RMnx0RZ1 FtRDDpZFbOyKIj14UK+0AgYU5ibnPooMzN7KPNZcFInDSeAb0TnJVrt9LhH68zpRvp gjyZP3QmPY2u9f2a2QME9CQk+rv0/y89bmj/eHJ8= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Independent states and DISINTEREST (#171) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58fe341ba9d08_208a3ff182bd9c38573a0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 17:21:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58fe341ba9d08_208a3ff182bd9c38573a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop commented on this pull request. > @@ -2526,6 +2571,9 @@ QUIC_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM (0x80000007): QUIC_MISSING_PAYLOAD (0x80000030): : The packet contained no payload. +QUIC_RECEIVED_RST (0x80000035): +: Terminating stream because peer sent a RST_STREAM or DISINTEREST. I would probably call that a "CANCEL," but I agree we can merge them if NO_ERROR's special-case semantics are gone. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/171#discussion_r113005721 ----==_mimepart_58fe341ba9d08_208a3ff182bd9c38573a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2526,6 +2571,9 @@ QUIC_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM (0x80000007):
 QUIC_MISSING_PAYLOAD (0x80000030):
 : The packet contained no payload.
 
+QUIC_RECEIVED_RST (0x80000035):
+: Terminating stream because peer sent a RST_STREAM or DISINTEREST.

I would probably call that a "CANCEL," but I agree we can merge them if NO_ERROR's special-case semantics are gone.

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The current formulation appears to assume that PUBLIC_RESET is only for = servers. But a QUIC connection could be symmetrical. So if the purpose is t= o tear down a connection, both endpoints should have equal opportunity - or= at least it should be explained why this is not possible (e.g. reliance on= public CA).

A PUBLIC_RESET could be verified by sending a HMAC key during handshake = but middleboxes would not be able to verify. It is very difficult for middl= eboxes to verify a reset without getting a CA involved. Middle boxes might = (incorrectly) react to an unverified reset which is an on-path attack vecto= r.

Trusted middleboxes could a have a public key on which they can receive = a teardown key - but that is a huge and complex issue.

The problems with PUBLIC_RESET appear to be non-trivial given that large= scale on-path attacks do exist - so perhaps replace public reset with an A= CK missing approach for teardown, and have a separate concern for middle bo= xes.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2526,6 +2571,9 @@ QUIC_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM (0x80000007):
 QUIC_MISSING_PAYLOAD (0x80000030):
 : The packet contained no payload.
 
+QUIC_RECEIVED_RST (0x80000035):
+: Terminating stream because peer sent a RST_STREAM or DISINTEREST.

"CANCEL" in h2 means "I didn't do anything with this stream", which mightbe nice to keep.

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Yes, RESET is still probably OK, the challenge here being how we manage the public reset (a connection-level abort) and a stream reset both having the same name.

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How about one of these?

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|       0       |       1       |       2       |       3       |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7|0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7|0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7|0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7|
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
| Type (7)    |1|
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                                                               |
+                       Connection ID (64)                      +
|                                                               |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                       Packet Number (32)                      |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                         Version (32)                          |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                          Payload (*)                        ...
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|       0       |       1       |       2       |       3       |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0|7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0|7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0|7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0|
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|1| Type (7)    |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                                                               |
+                       Connection ID (64)                      +
|                                                               |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                       Packet Number (32)                      |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                         Version (32)                          |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                          Payload (*)                        ...
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

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The draft appears to be focusing on a client server model such as an http server, but client and server can be peers, for example in peer to peer file sharing networks.

This becomes visible in
#170
where the client may experience highly likely collisions because the server is not required to generate random identifiers. The client is then forced to rely on dest address, but this ties the protocol to IP/UDP more than necessary.

It can also be seen in the assymetric direction of PUBLIC_RESET. A client cannot, in the current draft, shut down a connection like a server can, after a crash. Mentioned here
#442

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Another viewpoint is that currently you cannot have a UDP load balance= r on GCE and a TCP load balancer on the same IP. Because of this, we cann= ot set up QUIC for testing right now using GCE-provided load balancers.

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Correction: the current scheme does allow a load balancer to = distinguish between client and server-chosen connection IDs (see Section = 5.7), but it does not allow a client to start with a server-chosen connec= tion ID. Thinking about this issue some more, there's a tradeoff here.

The current scheme has the client sending a random ID on first packet = and eventually the final ID on a successful handshake. This means that th= e client cannot use a server chosen connection ID on a re-connection atte= mpt (after a version negotiation, or after a stateless reject, for instan= ce), but part of the point of using server-chosen connection IDs is to li= mit DoS-ability. This design makes it so that any initial client packets = are load-balanced among all available servers, and only packets sent afte= r successful handshake are directed to a single server.

This proposed scheme doesn't spell it out yet, but is useful when the = client sends a random ID or a previously-server-chosen ID on the first pa= cket and then a server-chosen final ID (the same or a new one) on success= ful handshake. This allows for the server to specify a connection ID for = the client to reconnect with on a Version Negotiation or a stateless reje= ct. However, allowing a client to say that the connection ID is server-ch= osen has DoS-ability similar to the previous client-chosen connection ID = scheme (in draft version -01).

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Perhaps I am missing something fundamental, but

If a stream is set up during 0rtt or clear text, the stream cannot conti= nue once the client id changes to server id if loadbalancers route traffic = elsewhere when the id is updated. All the state machinery won't work.

It's fine to have stateless setup, but then it needs to a UDP oriented a= pproach such that streams and retransmissions are removed during this phase= and replaced with a simpler retry until success. For example, periodically= sent ClientHello until ServerFinal is received, and there would be no Serv= erNonFinal because that is stateful. ServerNonFinal is problematic regardle= ss because it is not ordered by a stream, so this makes structuring the han= dshake rather complex.

For 0RTT the entire point is to start early - so here the routing needs = to reach a stateful server early. But then again, as long as replay attacks= are not solved for 0RTT, they have limited.

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_58ffcec4e05c9_1b723fb8f991dc2c104682"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 22:33:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58ffcec4e05c9_1b723fb8f991dc2c104682 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 84987e4770803e2d927872a0589496fec57c883b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/84987e4770803e2d927872a0589496fec57c883b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-20 (Thu, 20 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Split WINDOW_UPDATE into MAX_DATA and MAX_STREAM_DATA This also changes the name of the LIMIT_UPDATE frame to MAX_STREAM_ID to match. A lot of the text talked about stream offsets and had flow control affect maximum stream offsets. This turned out to be unnecessarily obtuse. The text in this changeset simply says that there is a limit to the amount of data that can be sent. This turns out to be a lot of changes, but I think that it is easier to understand as a result. Closes #443. Commit: eba4f043d8d55c86fe6db9d0e2e0c22ed66c44c2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/eba4f043d8d55c86fe6db9d0e2e0c22ed66c44c2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-20 (Thu, 20 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- The hazards of renaming things automatically Commit: b82595442be00263498f4edc464fb4f30adfdc01 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b82595442be00263498f4edc464fb4f30adfdc01 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-20 (Thu, 20 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix IANA table Commit: 747885f399edab5935f7517db1818d58b6d8d4fe https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/747885f399edab5935f7517db1818d58b6d8d4fe Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-20 (Thu, 20 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Jana's review comments Commit: 1f02a95d6a4d93932c7abed79035b87f4fa44099 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1f02a95d6a4d93932c7abed79035b87f4fa44099 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-20 (Thu, 20 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix frame type numbers Commit: f76f760c11fb1517127984b39df96cb8c2e5564d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f76f760c11fb1517127984b39df96cb8c2e5564d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-21 (Fri, 21 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- More feedback from Jana Commit: 735db70a72a672787a7a47f1160c95f9323cc9e1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/735db70a72a672787a7a47f1160c95f9323cc9e1 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2017-04-25 (Tue, 25 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #450 from quicwg/limit_update Split WINDOW_UPDATE into MAX_DATA and MAX_STREAM_DATA Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/c89eb53e0fff...735db70a72a6 ----==_mimepart_58ffcec4e05c9_1b723fb8f991dc2c104682-- From nobody Tue Apr 25 15:33:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA418128D8B for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 15:33:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.681 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.681 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zYyOzRTc6qmH for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 15:33:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61DD8129443 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 15:33:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 15:33:41 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1493159621; bh=hqaZazkq0pcGhDk1LQ7IHwRspMOS+qJxRKhwE0sMx40=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=jrltQdObWHntBpXn2IPUzd+BYo9CgjVMiofBFIBECNtyb65d3AEpHVtAC48cd784o WG67uqdttCyLL5A7V45KGQLPlFIJBZjsmbQ4GkkpQWr4Go+awowStXl0SvPQcWbbNS Ix9Mmhvz9p+7JKGpOeJ8aYH2Qkd7oYPZBokdgT+w= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Split WINDOW_UPDATE into MAX_DATA and MAX_STREAM_DATA (#450) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58ffcec5989c1_3b2f3fa6821edc384861a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 22:33:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58ffcec5989c1_3b2f3fa6821edc384861a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #450. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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----==_mimepart_58ffcec559eba_3b763fa6821edc387305e-- From nobody Tue Apr 25 15:34:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290C5126B71 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 15:34:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.254 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.254 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qXerZJZ6xPz7 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 15:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ADF321205F0 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 15:34:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=CetHdVp6x3ghSSJPLxdd1+9FbFg=; b=ljhyyn5pBkb0sX4j u+WVs9SHT0vx8MDSvhrqp5i+gV2IHmV9MWG21/Ox0aMJNdEUDpynm0+LnOHIj8UM Sber4lVhg7JsI3D7Qedh71lq7u2JT3ETCkhU0PvSnkNRnnEGjMdSvCPWzLlry8yL GLPd29rMMSx0Zo3yLU9F0aFxsVs= Received: by filter0417p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0417p1mdw1-6162-58FFCEFD-12 2017-04-25 22:34:37.300684928 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id VZQ4XvtMQ-efadgtEIBu3g for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 22:34:37.308 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 15:34:37 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Packetization structure (#463) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_58ffcefd2da95_4c473f9d80acfc3054769"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1Ijd4t3oUaGjLfXFRyXgIs0jniOtsczkNnKv /bDOjGIi7cBUOZmw97/2EfNu/dLAiZGUHHZlYIft1sjIoE14ys20XAFDohP6hHOzU7OjonNI9pdH/M ThG2Ef+6BDM4MPefMxsCJh22XzOrT1AuFuEDntpmdwqE6KFbe66JP4az2J29XYheRO/qWHbDgyoF2t 4= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 22:34:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_58ffcefd2da95_4c473f9d80acfc3054769 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We have a bunch of things in Section 9 (Packetization) that aren't very well structured: PMTUD, frame assembly into packets, retransmission, acknowledgements, etc... This could be restructured a little to make it more accessible. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/463 ----==_mimepart_58ffcefd2da95_4c473f9d80acfc3054769 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

We have a bunch of things in Section 9 (Packetization) that aren't very well structured: PMTUD, frame assembly into packets, retransmission, acknowledgements, etc... This could be restructured a little to make it more accessible.

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If there is no use case for NO_ERROR, then CONNECTION_ERROR might be more appropriate.

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@jan= aiyengar had an idea that we at least wanted to float here. In that = design, DISINTEREST carries a maximum read offset. That would be equival= ent to RST_STREAM in the opposite direction. It means that the sender wo= uld have no choice about whether to continue to send or not (in this desi= gn, DISINTEREST can be ignored).

The cost of saving a message is that you no longer have a single autho= ritative source for the end of stream offset. The value in DISINTEREST w= ould override the value in RST_STREAM (if both are sent in a race, DISINT= EREST would always be less than or equal to the value in RST_STREAM, so i= t would win). That means that in some cases the connection flow control = window would have to go backwards. Also, STREAM frames that arrive beyon= d the offset would have to be dropped (this would happen before any flow = control policing, whereas today order of processing doesn't matter much).=

On balance, I prefer the DISINTEREST design, but on complexity ground = only. I can't see why it wouldn't be equally valid.

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All the state machinery won't work.It's fine to have stateless = setup, but then it needs to a UDP oriented approach such that streams and= retransmissions are removed during this phase and replaced with a simple= r retry until success. For example, periodically sent ClientHello until S= erverFinal is received, and there would be no ServerNonFinal because that= is stateful. ServerNonFinal is problematic regardless because it is not = ordered by a stream, so this makes structuring the handshake rather compl= ex.For 0RTT the entire point is to start early - so here the routing need= s to reach a stateful server early. But then again, as long as replay att= acks are not solved for 0RTT, they have limited.=E2=80=94 You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread. = = -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Perhaps I am missing something fundamental, butIf a stream is set up dur= ing 0rtt or clear text, the stream cannot continue once the client id cha= nges to server id if loadbalancers route traffic elsewhere when the id is= updated. All the state machinery won't work.It's fine to have st= ateless setup, but then it needs to a UDP oriented approach such that str= eams and retransmissions are removed during this phase and replaced with = a simpler retry until success. For example, periodically sent ClientHello= until ServerFinal is received, and there would be no ServerNonFinal beca= use that is stateful. ServerNonFinal is problematic regardless because it= is not ordered by a stream, so this makes structuring the handshake rath= er complex.For 0RTT the entire point is to start early - so here the rout= ing needs to reach a stateful server early. But then again, as long as re= play attacks are not solved for 0RTT, they have limited.=E2=80=94
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There are a few little wrinkles that I think we might want to discuss a little. First, this is a one-time password, so the combination of key and connection ID can't ever be repeated for a given server instance. Our 64-bit connection ID space isn't really enough to provide this. How a server moves to a new static key during operation will be challenging; it probably needs to partition the connection ID space. Second, transport parameters are encrypted. #20 made a point of having the verifier in the clear so that intermediaries could validate the Public Reset. Commit: 8d59adcd700539eceba823546bea07ff7dbfbb89 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8d59adcd700539eceba823546bea07ff7dbfbb89 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-26 (Wed, 26 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Self-review Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/d8e68c2b23ff...8d59adcd7005 ----==_mimepart_59002b90e881c_b1523fb7407c9c3c799b1-- From nobody Tue Apr 25 23:48:09 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A388B1318BC for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 23:48:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ppjolww2PZot for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 23:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext5.iad.github.net [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1555A1318B7 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 23:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 23:48:05 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1493189285; bh=5v8CbJgtx3qKAjqIht7PM/Q9anpyl3VCiCB3ji+G5j4=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lbMXOuJTHBWCwfCIG8Q5beOE/md+TqRLS/uAR870TIlz/mBborTyZIvJ5s04kZFd7 6OP7RZpSfa1Nw07BESX1byOr4HqyXK/+xSgv/1Qqh9zIe33qwx5ir3Ma6Q1dqauAZn GKShEq0hrBwrFXmc5wIvj5VL5oGeec+Xs3IMfgXw= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Invert the connection ID logic during the handshake (#442) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590042a544b42_1433fe6fb255c341638c9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 06:48:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590042a544b42_1433fe6fb255c341638c9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar if the server allocates connection IDs and the client picks randomly, I don't see any way for the server to distinguish between an ID it allocated and one that the client happened to pick that collides with that. 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@jan= aiyengar if the server allocates connection IDs and the client picks = randomly, I don't see any way for the server to distinguish between an ID= it allocated and one that the client happened to pick that collides with= that. So it doesn't allow the server to know if it allocated the ID. N= ot without maintaining a table of values that it allocated.

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This is just an editorial fix of spelling.

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I was careful to make public reset symmetric.
Good, I just seem to the recall the wording "a server can send... "

If you cannot associate initial state based on connection id, what is th= e point of doing it later on?

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A Public Reset packet is only sent by servers and is used to abruptly = terminate communications. Public Reset is provided as an option of last r= esort for a server that does not have access to the state of a connection= .

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Hmm, we definitely need to sort that out. Arguably the server is the = only peer that matters here. If you have a case where a client needs to = send a public reset, then you should make a case for that (preferably in = a new issue).

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A client may operate on equal footing with a server, i.e. it is not always a HTTP browser client, but currently a client cannot send a PUBLIC_RESET:

A Public Reset packet is only sent by servers and is used to abruptly terminate communications. Public Reset is provided as an option of last resort for a server that does not have access to the state of a connection.

The probelm is also that the purpose of PUBLIC_RESET is vague. The problem here is primarily that and endpoint might loose state during a crash and cannot tell peer to terminate the connection. The related use case for informing middle boxes is a separate topic.

Use case: Datacenters might have a private networking, but not across datacenters. QUIC could be used to form a peer-to-peer server network. There might be edge routers in each datacenter (e.g. into a Kubernetes network), or not, but either way end-points may have high volume bidirectional traffic that needs to stop. The situation can also happen within datacenters with private networks with co-location where QUIC protects against other customers on the network.

Edge routers may have to also tear down the connection across datacenters (border gateway routing) which is then the separate middlebox issue.

Lost-state teardown need not involve any public activity and could avoid an obvious attack vector by using a non-public reset mechanism, but middlebox signalling need this. For the endpoint tear down, it could be replacing PUBLIC_RESET with a hint on lost connection which triggers surviving endpoint to perform a low volume liveness check, e.g. PING/ack at most every x ms.

Further consideration is that post-crash a server might have to load state from persistent storage in order to perform a reset proof that is not predictable. If this can be avoided via hint/live-ness verification, stateful might be avoidable.

also discussed here:
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I provided a use case for public reset in the above issue.

A use case for connection id based connection id binding with non-unique= ports is: Using the netmap highperformance network interface, all traffic = goes directly to the QUIC connection handler and ports do not really exist = other than because UDP is used to punch through firewalls. Many, or at leas= t several, connections may be created to a peer, and maitaining unique port= numbers here is just overhead. In addition, for symmetric peer-to-peer, th= is allows middleboxes on either side to only allow UDP traffic to/from a sp= ecified port. But the main point, is the being able to just rely on a singl= e connection ID simplifies issues significantly for implementations that ar= e not wedded to traditional socket operation.

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I have hinted at this elsewhere, but it is perhaps relevant to summarize= in the this topic:

This can be handled by stating that a stream is initiated by one end-poi= nt and accepted by the other end point. A stream can be initiated as read-o= nly or read/write, and a stream can be accepted as write-only or read/write= . In read/write mode both directions must be FIN or RST_STREAM terminated. = QUIC can then tear down a connection early and fail if assumptions are brok= en by when receiving data where none are expected. The application level pr= otocol defines when a stream is initiated and accepted in either mode.

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This was addressed in #421. Reopen if you disagree.

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Closed #237.

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We currently have this advice (2RTT before the window runs down).

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@MikeBishop, I'd really like to close this with no action. Do you want to make a case for doing this?

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I am fine with closing this for now, but it is tied directly to the
question of packet format and in particular how to handle packet
number and connection ID, so it will need revision if we decide
to adopt an encrypted packet number/conn-id proposal (which I
intend to make in Paris if not before).

I think that this is fair: as new information arises we should open new = issues for those things. If we decide that a header format change is in or= der, then we will tackle that then.

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There's a lot of overlap here with client address validation, and much of that text can be referenced when doing this. I do need to explain how this works though.

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Closing; @MikeBishop open a new issue if we missed something. I think that we have already covered the main part of this in #122.

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@janaiyengar, Is this a duplicate of #109?

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----==_mimepart_590152cce4a66_50773f89146a5c34172283-- From nobody Wed Apr 26 19:13:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7041012441E for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 19:13:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mIHtQ8BIXPsj for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 19:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3D4C1205D3 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 19:13:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=O5gxpt01VoA+RLP0x3+V0kbRDd8=; b=rQSYENQ/WTbOCumJ dNAQBvKkFhtZGbDi4xzmpeXicBZpavpLJvO5YZlpwtF0n0vVLW35jIE5hcgJiYzT nbG0rek7g7rxyjKOXkaBCqhuo8HR2ZYb7Rd8KgUPwYLHlP6dINFonqbu2AwC3lXu 7VS/Gpnt4hNC4doRyGs5Fj4I434= Received: by filter0571p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0571p1mdw1-25659-590153B1-A 2017-04-27 02:13:05.208949852 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id Tjxin-zhToeJg7Ky2zAtJw for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 02:13:05.217 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 19:13:05 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Justify various constants used in recovery draft (#151) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590153b1234ba_7b763f89146a5c34131447"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3eQcZVGLWxzj9bEZmI3ZPObnXVJEaYYLyqk3 nCiVg3UwAGC0OYag+7rBV+SgHqyEZdoTrYHDUPhxKLWVKikDTtISLuNkYU12am51ye7MnWEY7Wo3lB AhTVemDZsfLyrxFQHUMMGI0LVuRaS/TTAUX82WMORrARnq+77A9h/p3rzPq1wgvBFDSBXaWt8ZrImr 4= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 02:13:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590153b1234ba_7b763f89146a5c34131447 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar, are we done with this yet? Or maybe to put it differently: can we close this and open more specific issues for different values? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/151#issuecomment-297591960 ----==_mimepart_590153b1234ba_7b763f89146a5c34131447 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar, are we done with this yet? Or maybe to put it differently: can we close this and open more specific issues for different values?

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#197 tracks the proposal that @ekr made to move this to the crypto layer. I think that's a better place to move this discussion.

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This is closed by #421.

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----==_mimepart_59015555ec4cc_d2f3f919ddffc3c1047f6-- From nobody Wed Apr 26 19:20:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FAC91205D3 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 19:20:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 578CIKUSjzC2 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 19:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F08AD120726 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 19:20:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=1cqERwrYc1Av7bgTwGG4puSqYoI=; b=X53Xb7oICyxSypG6 6sn1WwbzMhS0WoG3MsheqnM4tn5ZxjNNvy6vM4SmMnrslwiQoXHHupVGYd+uw6er 0Hkr2BJK0Tq/ixR42q8VVQ+hT+pitCag5LeDLjsC7e9a+M8dqQXw9Ep8Knj4msa5 9GNREaqJ2sBRSBwMwX1m+/UvH5Y= Received: by filter0896p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0896p1mdw1-3921-59015556-23 2017-04-27 02:20:06.260463384 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id QEH9dS-VQoWuDsJBMW2gLw for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 02:20:06.201 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 19:20:06 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Packet reordering / loss distorts open stream limits (#217) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590155561a417_9083feca1d39c30635c6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0/ARoOLkM+/aWyG+hclb/h7vOVRjF8v0hNDB 109lhE+SLAQrOLnXqKRCkNWuDYg3uIzMctQnxcZIlb0DB77c7+NJuj7OYGwzE6YmmOu0jceuscdpHQ zrgz/CniGUziCPOkyeDbZJTvcnv+l5TV14R+xRDByXH5zD4PDFk54ITvvTfdc2Vsd8pqzSpck5xH4u A= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 02:20:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590155561a417_9083feca1d39c30635c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #217. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/217#event-1059672443 ----==_mimepart_590155561a417_9083feca1d39c30635c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Closed #217.

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Fair warning: I plan to merge this in about 24 hours.

@RyanAtGoogle, I think that @janaiyengar had you on the hook for double-checking this.

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It also corrects the omission whereby RST_STREAM didn't have any defined semantics from the idle state. Closes #458. Commit: bb132b4984bef2a4f57e3efb8cdd4e1df8d6f27e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bb132b4984bef2a4f57e3efb8cdd4e1df8d6f27e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-27 (Thu, 27 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fixup Commit: dd2344a7960feea31886d618d3f7128133648092 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dd2344a7960feea31886d618d3f7128133648092 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-27 (Thu, 27 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Nit Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/49e8ac15369e...dd2344a7960f ----==_mimepart_590156c64a631_1c113fd8e560fc2c941a2-- From nobody Wed Apr 26 19:29:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27DCB12741D for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 19:29:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Yeah, I think that logically the blob within blob within blob design i= s fine. The only issue that I have with that is that we now have more pl= aces where extensibility is critical. If we can collapse at least some o= f those then that reduces the likelihood that the ones we do have will at= rophy.

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This also closes #179 by virtue of correcting the errors in describing the final offset.

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----==_mimepart_59015bbd34950_9e03f926d859c301392c8-- From nobody Wed Apr 26 19:48:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39B69129443 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 19:48:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.681 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.681 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1GpwVqZ6tCHf for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 19:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D80CB12741D for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 19:48:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 19:48:33 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1493261313; bh=UxCgRK7u6g/tjRwIC2aHeINT/xFEgfEiNUb05DX6uLA=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=RcnvMYGdxO/vXdCtOzVtuaEc+rU8j1nNzL1DamtjV5g66Ggq6hXgfrbf5+P6oQoJr Y1lM+3n1xNQu4QEBMBN+1/+edkboaXq+RTaV/rkmdLrDfk89BbgfqvfDTUkwi8k9Zk PpY/1GILBAvU+CFW/EprT3Ze+HDV4LmuvK805d00= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Abstraction of TLS (#183) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59015c013569d_129d3f8927419c3c2514e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 02:48:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59015c013569d_129d3f8927419c3c2514e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm going to close this on the basis that a) it's a dumpster fire of a discussion, and b) we have something of a plan that isn't improved by having the issue open to track it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/183#issuecomment-297596538 ----==_mimepart_59015c013569d_129d3f8927419c3c2514e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm going to close this on the basis that a) it's a dumpster fire of a discussion, and b) we have something of a plan that isn't improved by having the issue open to track it.

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#421 killed this dead. Mostly. #456 would remove the only remaining wart, but that's not necessary.

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Closing this as a duplicate of #233.

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Commit: baa43bf07681f1ea60c68bf6f84f4d9b820d044d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/baa43bf07681f1ea60c68bf6f84f4d9b820d044d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-27 (Thu, 27 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reference error codes One interesting change here is that we don't have an error code for running out of packet numbers. If you think about this for even a few seconds, you will realize that you can't send that error code because it can't go in a packet. And that's even assuming that you manage to keep a connection alive long enough to send that many packets. At 1 million packets a second, that's almost 600 thousand years. Even if we assume that you jump 2^31 packets every time you switch between networks, and change once a minute, that's 16 thousand years. I didn't remove the parenthetical mention of QUIC_NO_ERROR because that is being removed in other pull requests. Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/a080dff828fb...baa43bf07681 ----==_mimepart_590162f6d6ab7_7f423fc78202fc2c761a4-- From nobody Wed Apr 26 20:36:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E2412741D for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 20:36:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zOjav9YUIBVs for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 20:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA0B512426E for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2017 20:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 20:36:36 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1493264196; bh=yToUYpagtcZNGdEKpm/cPOCSN5qx+NSUZMjS2jGAYWs=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LhftBrauyYxFnYnAejj7HEbaduDvv7grNBR0Oz/KfX6js26ZgnRlTkbN/IclDsnnd sEZrrPng0yPFLdMxMtwUYHm0Web5GUY3uk96o5UIB+gQcoxSCFFaq/evt9rzaeqSIr 3AcAZ7ukW1ValbzuE4BHwx8w0EG1ZJvnXzeSQlgc= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Prune transport error codes (#467) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59016744c074e_3c7f3ffd4b623c3887661"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 03:36:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59016744c074e_3c7f3ffd4b623c3887661 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This prunes the transport error codes to the short list I shared on the [mailing list](https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/quic/xJ5Rr1_N6JI1DT1S7z77G0nZG2Y). @janaiyengar this rots quickly, I want to close on before we next chat. 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This prunes the transport error codes to the short list I shared on the mailing list.

@janaiyengar this rots quickly, I want to close on before we next chat.

Closes #96, #177, #184.

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  • Grammar correction, alignment
  • Add proposed error codes
  • Reference error codes

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This is a small change to follow #421 and friends.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/468

Commit Summary

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Closes #199.

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Closes #209.

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
-Though data is exchanged on stream 1, the initial flow control window is
-sufficiently large to allow the TLS handshake to complete.  This limits the
-maximum size of the TLS handshake and would prevent a server or client from
-using an abnormally large certificate chain.
+Though data is exchanged on stream 1, the initial flow control window on that
+stream is sufficiently large to allow the TLS handshake to complete.  This
+limits the maximum size of the TLS handshake and would prevent a server or
+client from using an abnormally large certificate chain.

Isn't this technically just a restriction on a single RT?

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Closed #199 via #469.

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The draft currently says:

Endpoints MUST retransmit handshake frames if not acknowledged within a time limit.

I've been trying to be very careful about what it means to retransmit. We don't retransmit packets, we create new packets; similarly, we don't retransmit frames, we create new frames that contain the data we want.

In the case of the first client packet, we can probably be a little more prescriptive. The client can send another packet with the same contents, just with the packet number incremented.

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59017f12a2d0a_17c03fa0c6ef9c2c5442f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 05:18:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59017f12a2d0a_17c03fa0c6ef9c2c5442f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/first_packet_payload_size Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: c9706c98d519dc88ebf848f204e2f63b7abda2c7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c9706c98d519dc88ebf848f204e2f63b7abda2c7 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-27 (Thu, 27 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Define the payload size of the initial packet rather than the packet size The entity that creates the packet is not always aware of the existence of header extensions. That makes hitting the 1280 octet limit hard. Worse, if they are aware of extensions, they might reduce the size and then encouter a server that enforces the limit. That server will discard the packet. That makes enforcement risky. This change places the limit on the payload. It mandates 1232/1252 for v6/v4. This is the uncomplicated version. The complicated version that I didn't write up allows a client that knows more about overheads to reduce the payload size as long as they keep above some floor value (e.g., 1180). We might consider doing that later if we want to allow QUIC to operate on paths with a much tighter MTU overhead. Evidence suggests that we don't need this. 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boundary="--==_mimepart_59017f9d9f048_97c3f98ad83fc2c74378"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3kDddqKfIIpgBCU8hRXDHSUkagwEcdbfajN3 /nftWc0JtgPEHu80MEh0hgOEXeaWRESozpBDc5VEFW4PzXLn0sdIUN/bIzMNotW9ZgkANXq4jJo20W AGpmzH1y0IYrL3F2CTZd5IK6prUWOgm+a6LRY+UKEtNp7ZuvBmcLGVx62B38Rl+3JkqNSgQvcNjOvl Q= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 05:20:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59017f9d9f048_97c3f98ad83fc2c74378 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The entity that creates the packet is not always aware of the existence of header extensions. That makes hitting the 1280 octet limit hard. Worse, if they are aware of extensions, they might reduce the size and then encounter a server that enforces the limit. That server will discard the packet. That makes enforcement risky. This change places the limit on the payload. It mandates 1232/1252 for v6/v4. This is the uncomplicated version. The complicated version that I didn't write up allows a client that knows more about overheads to reduce the payload size as long as they keep above some floor value (e.g., 1180). We might consider doing that later if we want to allow QUIC to operate on paths with a much tighter MTU overhead. Evidence suggests that we don't need this though (open an issue if you disagree). 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The entity that creates the packet is not always aware of the existence of header extensions. That makes hitting the 1280 octet limit hard. Worse, if they are aware of extensions, they might reduce the size and then encounter a server that enforces the limit. That server will discard the packet. That makes enforcement risky.

This change places the limit on the payload. It mandates 1232/1252 for v6/v4.

This is the uncomplicated version. The complicated version that I didn't write up allows a client that knows more about overheads to reduce the payload size as long as they keep above some floor value (e.g., 1180). We might consider doing that later if we want to allow QUIC to operate on paths with a much tighter MTU overhead. Evidence suggests that we don't need this though (open an issue if you disagree).

Closes #267

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I didn't recommend a specific error code for this. One of the generic ones will suffice. I expect this to be rare enough that no implementation will bother reacting to a specific error code.

Closes #290

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One of the generic ones will do. 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Ian fixed this. It's now a fair bit lower and we can reference this issue if anyone asks.

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  1. Version negotiation is stateless (this was implied but not made explicit)

  2. Client ignores version negotiation packets if it has already done version negotiation.

  3. Client ignores version negotaition packets if they list the version it is using.

Closes #284, #294, #241.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/474

Commit Summary

  • Various version negotiation fixes

File Changes

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In general, this seems like a reasonable thing to do.

With respect to DoS, any time you're using an identifier that may need t= o be implemented using a stateful lookup -- and I don't think there's any a= mount of clever math that will fit into the number of bits we're willing to= stick into the header that can completely avoid state -- you need to have = dynamic prevention of DoS against that state. This is an essential property= of the problem space.

This design, however, stretches the already not-very-helpful "Connection= ID" terminology beyond its breaking point, so I'd suggest we rename it in = the process of doing this:

(1) In the initial client packet, this field doesn't "identify" a connec= tion; it's basically just a nonce.

(2) Server-chosen connection IDs don't actually identify connections eit= her; they contain client-opaque information that can be used by the server = or server-adjacent forwarding devices for whatever purpose the server sees = fit. This is more a token than an identifier.

This would admittedly make the packet diagrams a little more complex -- = some packets have a nonce, some packets have a token -- but the nonce/token= is taking up the same bitspace in the header.

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The setting SETTINGS_DISABLE_PUSH is set to false by default. This double negation seems needlessly confusing. ("Setting the push setting to true turns off push?")

Suggestion: Renaming it to SETTINGS_ENABLE_PUSH and default to true. This is easier to understand and matches the parameter defined by HTTP/2.

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----==_mimepart_5901efd7d07d3_1c783f9a68e67c3c252211-- From nobody Thu Apr 27 10:02:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E94129B18 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 10:02:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XcsnMns4gv5o for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 10:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FB28129B17 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 09:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 09:59:51 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1493312391; bh=58Dr91/2h4Z8wrGPQ4BSnWAFFVoYWGjdcl1puESjQ/w=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=l3yv/xyn6PXK06DNB7UYobNLO9BraHFfNKu9K1/ucL2sm4AWmWBD3UpY05/I5qg42 wCWfxWEjflUdaYcJrR+gowUr+knvtf7AFi+nTCI5C9NGjj3w59wAcwsFIDaQ0B3xDW hIQ7g2ipm5x+hlqWwt7hoz4mfFxy010PxgsiyajY= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Use positive phrasing instead of double negative (#477) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590223877bd33_60813fceab861c30833d1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 17:02:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590223877bd33_60813fceab861c30833d1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The problem is that we've defined Boolean settings in general to be false if not sent, true if sent. So to have it be "enable push," it either needs to default off or we need to change the polarity of all Boolean settings. I don't think changing the polarity of settings is an acceptable option since HTTP allows definition of arbitrary settings by extensions, all of which would need to be off by default unless a client supports the extension. I'm fine switching it back to ENABLE_PUSH and requiring that an extra few bytes be spent if you want things pushed to you, though. Any objections? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/477#issuecomment-297776148 ----==_mimepart_590223877bd33_60813fceab861c30833d1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The problem is that we've defined Boolean settings in general to be fa= lse if not sent, true if sent. So to have it be "enable push," it either= needs to default off or we need to change the polarity of all Boolean se= ttings. I don't think changing the polarity of settings is an acceptable= option since HTTP allows definition of arbitrary settings by extensions,= all of which would need to be off by default unless a client supports th= e extension.

I'm fine switching it back to ENABLE_PUSH and requiring that an extra = few bytes be spent if you want things pushed to you, though. Any objecti= ons?

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Note that this isn't necessarily badly wrong; it could be a second ver= sion negotiation packet sent by the server in response to a retransmissio= n of the initial client packet. But we don't need to go into that level = of detail.

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I think that @MikeBishop is right.

Rather than just fixing this one small thing, I think that we need a mor= e comprehensive rework of the shutdown logic. @janaiyengar sent an email to the= list outlining one extreme in the design space. I want to write up a prop= osal that is close to that. That will necessarily include a roughly 2xRTO = TIME_WAIT2-like state on both peers. Then we can discuss whether that sort= of design is desirable.

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Also relevant here is RFC 4884, which defines a means of expanding the amount of data= that is provided in an ICMP message. I don't know how widely that is im= plemented though.

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Let the server work out what to do about that. 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Let the server work out what to do about that. Closes #425 You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/479 -- Commit Summary -- * Don't require the client to reset excess streams -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (5) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/479.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/479.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/479 ----==_mimepart_5902a1ebe1600_3e7e3f839749fc3c777ee Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In 0-RTT, the client might overrun the server's stream limit. Let the server
work out what to do about that.

Closes #425

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My understanding is that this is addressed by the changes in #421.

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The current plan (if we ever clear our backlog) is to move the details of the packet protection and key schedule to the transport. If that ever happens, it will be easy enough to move this new text at the same time as the packet protection. Two choices that I made here: 1. all packets are protected, including Public Reset - this means that the packet construction code can have very simple logic for determining whether to add an integrity check, namely is there an AEAD?; the cost being that public reset is a little bigger 2. the integrity check mechanism can change in a new version - this avoids expanding the list of things that we promise that won't change between versions; the cost being one extra trivial check on receiving an unprotected packet Closes #167. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/480 -- Commit Summary -- * Add a description of the FNV-1a algorithm -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (76) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/480.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/480.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/480 ----==_mimepart_5902c90bea720_758b3f93f5351c2c16968b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I've added this in the TLS document, even though this would have been easier to
add to the transport document in some ways. The current plan (if we ever clear
our backlog) is to move the details of the packet protection and key schedule
to the transport. If that ever happens, it will be easy enough to move this
new text at the same time as the packet protection.

Two choices that I made here:

  1. all packets are protected, including Public Reset - this means that the
    packet construction code can have very simple logic for determining whether to
    add an integrity check, namely is there an AEAD?; the cost being that public
    reset is a little bigger

  2. the integrity check mechanism can change in a new version - this avoids
    expanding the list of things that we promise that won't change between
    versions; the cost being one extra trivial check on receiving an unprotected
    packet

Closes #167.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/480

Commit Summary

  • Add a description of the FNV-1a algorithm

File Changes

Patch Links:

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H2 already has frames; maybe the new thing should have the new name. E.g., 'QUIC segments".

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I did two things today in fairly quick succession, write up #480 and review a ghash implementation. One of the biggest challenges with the ghash implementation is in dealing with architectures that don't have native 128 integers.

FNV-1a requires multiplication of 128-bit integers. Without native support for that operation, it's a lot more code to write and more corner cases to test.

Given what we are using FNV-1a for, the 64-bit variant would be perfectly adequate and also considerably easier to implement. I doubt that most of our implementer audience would know what Karatsuba multiplication is, nor should we force them to get acquainted with it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +128-bit FNV-1a hash (see {{fnv1a}}).  The output of this hash is appended to the
+payload of the packet.
+
+The integrity check algorithm MAY change for other versions of the protocol.
+
+
+## Integrity Check Processing
+
+An endpoint sending a packet that has a long header and a type that does not
+indicate that the packet will be protected (that is, 0-RTT Encrypted (0x05),
+1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 0) (0x06), or 1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 1) (0x07))
+first constructs the packet that it sends without the integrity check.
+
+In constructing the packet, the endpoint has to consider the extra length that
+the integrity check will add relative to the path MTU.  In particular, the
+integrity check length needs to be subtracted from available space when padding

Nope, other client packets don't have strong requirements about length, but that one needs to be handled specially (the second flight of handshake packets doesn't have a size constraint).

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----==_mimepart_5902d0fb8bda2_69643ff0f057fc301680fd-- From nobody Thu Apr 27 22:23:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C05D129C15 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 22:23:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wdySWNUavx2X for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 22:23:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext5.iad.github.net [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5540B129BA8 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 22:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 22:20:35 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1493356835; bh=BcveQjQnd/irD4lEWJSZiszaxC1diIixmMIKjELeznI=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=0nrCoYumKpzURAWwYESWoXN6QCq7eb3+7tRdrfqArrnzJNKbpetQtW/CczTn/w7M9 o/0onrtkBipXgFl5+bA5qqVcXiKKC3olO5Y/IX/7SXlNnPj7qn7YHu7gmazpoueP4z V/CYh75E8bGaWAPY6v5dVJZZdPWhsasPMnW76dbg= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add a description of the FNV-1a algorithm (#480) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5902d1238983e_79703fd30f345c34736b0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 05:23:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5902d1238983e_79703fd30f345c34736b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > + + +## Integrity Check Processing + +An endpoint sending a packet that has a long header and a type that does not +indicate that the packet will be protected (that is, 0-RTT Encrypted (0x05), +1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 0) (0x06), or 1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 1) (0x07)) +first constructs the packet that it sends without the integrity check. + +In constructing the packet, the endpoint has to consider the extra length that +the integrity check will add relative to the path MTU. In particular, the +integrity check length needs to be subtracted from available space when padding +the initial client packet. + +The sender then calculates the integrity check over the entire packet, starting +from the type field. The output of the hash is appended to the packet. I'd prefer to have it at the end. Then it's not wedged in the middle so that you have to hash 17 octets, jump 16 and then hash the rest. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/480#discussion_r113854013 ----==_mimepart_5902d1238983e_79703fd30f345c34736b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+
+## Integrity Check Processing
+
+An endpoint sending a packet that has a long header and a type that does not
+indicate that the packet will be protected (that is, 0-RTT Encrypted (0x05),
+1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 0) (0x06), or 1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 1) (0x07))
+first constructs the packet that it sends without the integrity check.
+
+In constructing the packet, the endpoint has to consider the extra length that
+the integrity check will add relative to the path MTU.  In particular, the
+integrity check length needs to be subtracted from available space when padding
+the initial client packet.
+
+The sender then calculates the integrity check over the entire packet, starting
+from the type field.  The output of the hash is appended to the packet.

I'd prefer to have it at the end. Then it's not wedged in the middle so that you have to hash 17 octets, jump 16 and then hash the rest.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +integrity check length needs to be subtracted from available space when padding
+the initial client packet.
+
+The sender then calculates the integrity check over the entire packet, starting
+from the type field.  The output of the hash is appended to the packet.
+
+A receiver that receives an unprotected packet first checks that the version is
+correct, then removes the trailing octets.  It calculates the integrity check
+over the remainder of the packet.  Unprotected packets that do not contain a
+valid integrity check MUST be discarded.
+
+An implementation could choose to treat the addition and removal of the
+integrity check as though it were an AEAD.
+
+
+## The 128-bit FNV-1a Algorithm {#fnv1a}

That draft has an uncertain future. It's not even an IETF draft. I don't want to hitch our wagon to something like that.

It's even more uncertain given that the market is now overwhelmingly using Murmur variants.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+
+## Integrity Check Processing
+
+An endpoint sending a packet that has a long header and a type that does not
+indicate that the packet will be protected (that is, 0-RTT Encrypted (0x05),
+1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 0) (0x06), or 1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 1) (0x07))
+first constructs the packet that it sends without the integrity check.
+
+In constructing the packet, the endpoint has to consider the extra length that
+the integrity check will add relative to the path MTU.  In particular, the
+integrity check length needs to be subtracted from available space when padding
+the initial client packet.
+
+The sender then calculates the integrity check over the entire packet, starting
+from the type field.  The output of the hash is appended to the packet.

Note also that "AEAD" doesn't do it any particular way. AES-GCM adds the authentication tag at the end.

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But we don't really say how a server might do that statelessly. Add a small bit of text on that and we're done. Closes #60 ----==_mimepart_5902d7578641e_adfa3ffc33471c3c1273b9-- From nobody Thu Apr 27 22:50:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0935B129BAA for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 22:50:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NBaQm71imRgp for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 22:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31E7F129B4C for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 22:47:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=fQzfBh20o2WDj4MKIn+99kiCvss=; b=LqdeLxReYd8Ex3JD OiNg7/uWcgpNAMSrgk97b617Zh/XGWeEM9y4+bx52seD5x55hlBxuLAvkxQgzwDY yKAHLcPdgWDuBhkszxt72ZqIsDSGHwQF4PU64AfGiTK6OLtPocvi5+5yR/MdJyqp zhGCjSE5OQ5FvuB6tRLUGV8Mko4= Received: by filter0832p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0832p1mdw1-27751-5902D77A-55 2017-04-28 05:47:38.637195502 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id GYVhZFcsQWmONSeuLAzojQ for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2017 05:47:38.573 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 22:47:38 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Address validation is stateless reject (#482) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5902d77a77e89_22a43fb844141c34405b5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3ZvKXxMIAOvvWG3NsMg6mtO1dkeHPu4vMQT0 FAvhAGhUrYwVWx9bPCxSAv2agGYIkmuOCcART0U34RTu6RG5RcDphoisB1sNxpLDvFCLW5ivYmiJvw v5krSeZ+6GKVactQuHeQQDyPPUP/323xoPNmKRrWA1c+YahqVcl3r6U/uYCSb2gtFYVJkFCXs6Jzmu Y= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 05:50:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5902d77a77e89_22a43fb844141c34405b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We already have enough text on how to tell a client to go away and come back. But we don't really say how a server might do that statelessly. Add a small bit of text on that and we're done. Closes #60 You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/482 -- Commit Summary -- * Address validation is stateless reject -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (4) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/482.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/482.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/482 ----==_mimepart_5902d77a77e89_22a43fb844141c34405b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

We already have enough text on how to tell a client to go away and come back.
But we don't really say how a server might do that statelessly. Add a small
bit of text on that and we're done.

Closes #60

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/482

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It also corrects the omission whereby RST_STREAM didn't have any defined semantics from the idle state. Closes #458. Commit: bb132b4984bef2a4f57e3efb8cdd4e1df8d6f27e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bb132b4984bef2a4f57e3efb8cdd4e1df8d6f27e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-27 (Thu, 27 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fixup Commit: dd2344a7960feea31886d618d3f7128133648092 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dd2344a7960feea31886d618d3f7128133648092 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-27 (Thu, 27 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Nit Commit: 3ccf3d819385416d5f2fba10955b38040f825eff https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3ccf3d819385416d5f2fba10955b38040f825eff Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-27 (Thu, 27 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Move final offset discussion to new section This probably isn't the best place, but including it in stream states doesn't make sense when you observe that you can learn the final offset before entering "half-closed (remote)" if there is reordering of STREAM+FIN. Commit: 838af6631c491d8d5727ab03723e9e508b8ecbdf https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/838af6631c491d8d5727ab03723e9e508b8ecbdf Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-28 (Fri, 28 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #459 from quicwg/make_reset_sensible Change RST_STREAM impact on state Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/84abf33fbfab...838af6631c49 ----==_mimepart_5902d7b4b972_6bf83fe03a7f3c441289b4-- From nobody Thu Apr 27 22:51:43 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A623129440 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 22:51:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.797 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.797 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=0.001, TVD_SPACE_RATIO_MINFP=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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We don't actually describe a transition from idle to half-closed or closed (see discussion about half-closing and unidirectional streams for more on this problem). The text mentions that RST_STREAM on an idle stream is permitted, but doesn't actually define any transitions. I have removed the allowance for RST_STREAM, but I believe that we need that transition. A new issue will be opened. Commit: 29e553f4b06bad373c2c5c880d2e3828f1785dca https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/29e553f4b06bad373c2c5c880d2e3828f1785dca Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-28 (Fri, 28 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- MAX_STREAM_DATA might arrive on an idle stream Closes #188 Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/64288b690416^...29e553f4b06b ----==_mimepart_5902d9d55dee9_5cc03fb7597a7c401069ec-- From nobody Thu Apr 27 23:01:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 687D2124281 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 23:01:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dCcZJ2w4T6CU for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 23:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m71-131.mailgun.net (m71-131.mailgun.net [166.78.71.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 540C01270B4 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 22:59:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1493359143; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=lJp3XoJi9tUU2Hu6IhqmMo4FJV3qPqaYWEKneggplNQ=; b=PfhBWz1rqsBMyNuYupbLtHYf0JAzonH//ESXvNkFpJNjZ6kXpKVhTTNb1CLRSnhw8TNDYW/u 7f85ouVNAhAMVE9ptz0+0uTyxMZNgk2lvlCZfS+kZvrxf8EZCfHuqQmqZm+6e2yAhRdpbnWs dwORww3esqpI1gmZWtfIlI/5V3g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Js4/aWlhoeNZt1fSR92U/3TuxJz+jC3tuquPOlXkztBSLcEVVatsPLh4RYetPfxzqfrKoR ie8Lsva2/X8E0TsN4PXYwG2m3oDy3DCq1KOjfnp/S6INjNpJty5g3L6iGuaykxG7VWTuRRhB XSwawUp2IRgX8q+i/xl119o+b00Wo= Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.71.131 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.40]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5902d7ce.7fe2b2ed9240-smtp-out-n03; Fri, 28 Apr 2017 05:49:02 -0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 22:49:02 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5902d7ce12509_1cf53f87481dfc401084b3@hookshot-fe6-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 6547c5: Follow the flow control and stream concurrency cha... 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@ekr, can we close this in favour of #460?

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Fri, 28 Apr 2017 06:04:42 -0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 23:04:41 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5902db79ae29b_f9e3fec09f05c28129720@hookshot-fe5-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 0cd5e8: Add STREAM_ID_NEEDED frame analogous to BLOCKED Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5902db79adefd_f9e3fec09f05c28129661"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 06:07:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5902db79adefd_f9e3fec09f05c28129661 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/stream_id_needed Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 0cd5e806dd78446a7ace1a093cc333882514a37a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0cd5e806dd78446a7ace1a093cc333882514a37a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-28 (Fri, 28 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add STREAM_ID_NEEDED frame analogous to BLOCKED ----==_mimepart_5902db79adefd_f9e3fec09f05c28129661-- From nobody Thu Apr 27 23:08:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC95129B19 for ; 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Fri, 28 Apr 2017 06:06:09 -0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 23:06:08 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5902dbd01fd47_6f303fa0fc0c5c3811955e@hookshot-fe3-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 75ac45: Add proposed error codes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5902dbd01f979_6f303fa0fc0c5c38119461"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 06:08:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5902dbd01f979_6f303fa0fc0c5c38119461 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/transport_errors Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 75ac4592e50f197f3ff47869a04757df6b2cde06 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/75ac4592e50f197f3ff47869a04757df6b2cde06 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-28 (Fri, 28 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add proposed error codes This is just the error codes, not references to those codes. Commit: 640d6d254e6f0e3eee034ce329c5d5456e721b2e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/640d6d254e6f0e3eee034ce329c5d5456e721b2e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-28 (Fri, 28 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reference error codes One interesting change here is that we don't have an error code for running out of packet numbers. If you think about this for even a few seconds, you will realize that you can't send that error code because it can't go in a packet. And that's even assuming that you manage to keep a connection alive long enough to send that many packets. At 1 million packets a second, that's almost 600 thousand years. Even if we assume that you jump 2^31 packets every time you switch between networks, and change once a minute, that's 16 thousand years. I didn't remove the parenthetical mention of QUIC_NO_ERROR because that is being removed in other pull requests. Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/baa43bf07681...640d6d254e6f ----==_mimepart_5902dbd01f979_6f303fa0fc0c5c38119461-- From nobody Thu Apr 27 23:10:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77911294B3 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 23:10:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MtKpg7YZ5uGE for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 23:10:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m69-170.mailgun.net (m69-170.mailgun.net [166.78.69.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6717E1294B2 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 23:07:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1493359665; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=bZvgEkIAE7oVeV8cVCrWsXaJoJtrg4QArvdNqlFcuL4=; b=Pgk0FjrPylUQqKUwB02iTWeN8VXoUrtYbvS/oJZsgNY4rD0DkG9AtxVtf7WB6X9ZjiFPeNCB fM3WDGv//jfpnE3ZqoBfQ3+o+444wEwzYOA3h5Vi0vNb3D4zUlNxnCnOwopwmK4cK9EklE+K t6aqwj8nW9bvFV3Rvt7mNk9bHMY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mmnBc6D2xSZnTQpMrDS5BSR1mNpxdC3Jfu4Vj5zEOl+rU/XqvbY2stBtCJw7vDMyO1wj7R by9oEV8OvZcyV83UyCyCDynqFPRJP+BpdqS2yaQlVtL+tMopdKQ/KLUbe6HHwb1p/Nizy/ia SqhCcF4bXIbcuUs7nTHIMpch376rs= Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.170 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.34]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5902dc31.7f52a674a450-smtp-out-n01; Fri, 28 Apr 2017 06:07:45 -0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 23:07:44 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5902dc308f76e_63213fe10fffbc2c914d7@hookshot-fe2-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 7690f8: Authenticate public reset with a hash Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5902dc308f3a3_63213fe10fffbc2c91315"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 06:10:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5902dc308f3a3_63213fe10fffbc2c91315 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/public_reset_proof Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 7690f845bb1e48c318b609bc8553a6713e27aaff https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7690f845bb1e48c318b609bc8553a6713e27aaff Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-28 (Fri, 28 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Authenticate public reset with a hash This takes ekr's design from #20 and expands on it quite a bit. There are a few little wrinkles that I think we might want to discuss a little. First, this is a one-time password, so the combination of key and connection ID can't ever be repeated for a given server instance. Our 64-bit connection ID space isn't really enough to provide this. How a server moves to a new static key during operation will be challenging; it probably needs to partition the connection ID space. Second, transport parameters are encrypted. #20 made a point of having the verifier in the clear so that intermediaries could validate the Public Reset. Commit: e425aece23f3549bc3013a06d03f5632b0242ed2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e425aece23f3549bc3013a06d03f5632b0242ed2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-28 (Fri, 28 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Self-review Commit: 01b9b854bd41208cb93b7c5f1e5b527686ebcadd https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/01b9b854bd41208cb93b7c5f1e5b527686ebcadd Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-28 (Fri, 28 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- remove second layer of 'for instance' Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/90e5c6b9f6e6...01b9b854bd41 ----==_mimepart_5902dc308f3a3_63213fe10fffbc2c91315-- From nobody Thu Apr 27 23:10:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8D2129442 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 23:10:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.797 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.797 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=0.001, TVD_SPACE_RATIO_MINFP=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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It would be unusual, but not unreasonably so for that to happen. For instance, the h2 stack in Firefox sends a WINDOW_UPDATE immediately after sending a request for something it really wants. This allows it to set the initial flow control window small, but have generous limits on important requests. If that strategy were used, it wouldn't be unusual for the MAX_STREAM_DATA and STREAM frames to end up in different packets. I built this on #457 because that touches the same text. Closes #188. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/483 -- Commit Summary -- * Allow STREAM_BLOCKED on unopenable streams * MAX_STREAM_DATA might arrive on an idle stream -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (20) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/483.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/483.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Reordering might mean that this arrives ahead of time. It would be unusual, but not unreasonably so for that to happen.

For instance, the h2 stack in Firefox sends a WINDOW_UPDATE immediately after sending a request for something it really wants. This allows it to set the initial flow control window small, but have generous limits on important requests. If that strategy were used, it wouldn't be unusual for the MAX_STREAM_DATA and STREAM frames to end up in different packets.

I built this on #457 because that touches the same text.

Closes #188.

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  • Allow STREAM_BLOCKED on unopenable streams
  • MAX_STREAM_DATA might arrive on an idle stream

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This is really minor; this is for #470 in case we accept #456.

Closes #470, #209.

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  • Move crypto to stream 0, HTTP control to stream 1
  • Small editorial fixes to stream identifiers
  • Update for crypto on stream 0

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----==_mimepart_5902dd8c2eede_6a073fb844141c34159944-- From nobody Thu Apr 27 23:18:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A7E3129C04 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 23:18:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.403 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.403 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7ZyeMZJIF91x for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 23:18:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D9BB129C25 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 23:15:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=iGjXJlLK5hpjBusZCAhGCAAC1Zg=; b=e5cML2N6k84ndszS mhvo4BUeow6O8gHIPAyuxdk72VcVsXfoK7BoYYIFNAy6PMgvlsWnnZ6fJs7qJmOA b6hQNs8dS7nvc3M9yjdKFzmrB2BAo4EZK6UdbLCI7PH8pui/T5+bSx53dVuR3xi9 8WBq0hfLB57ikWDjWjnLDfV4IHg= Received: by filter1110p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1110p1mdw1-9266-5902DDF2-24 2017-04-28 06:15:14.369998304 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id XRj0ah4uT0G5sOLVzRYxEA for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2017 06:15:14.330 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 23:15:14 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Define the payload size of the initial packet rather than the total packet size (#472) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5902ddf23cd44_447e3fa757027c347467f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3qaGKKHjZhRH9gzC/71E+5l9Xe7jZjnSw1QK BCQi2ifXnyv6XfjLHkVhY3pwErQ4dnyB7uRHDk54L0gRpwQ5J/68WUVUzKQlQcWkvc8AGiQ7hMf+uP KrclZ6RTHbmb9HCN7ZjLh4vxPMrGg4eqF4SrsbLSiFG5Aihj53gGASqrCK2jROD2LRbjbUNCx4VywA c= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 06:18:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5902ddf23cd44_447e3fa757027c347467f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar, this has been discussed and I'm just enacting the agreed solution. I'd like to merge this before 2017-05-02. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/472#issuecomment-297916433 ----==_mimepart_5902ddf23cd44_447e3fa757027c347467f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar, this has been discussed and I'm just enacting the agreed solution. I'd like to merge this before 2017-05-02.

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Merged #473.

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One of the generic ones will do. Closes #290 Commit: 942e284dfd3b4fc2e7bfaf790d53951a635ecbd1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/942e284dfd3b4fc2e7bfaf790d53951a635ecbd1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-28 (Fri, 28 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #473 from quicwg/no_reset_on_pmtud_drop Remove requirement to send public reset if PMTU drops Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/12dc1ccc064e...942e284dfd3b ----==_mimepart_5902de01c48ab_25d43fdad9393c3c63371-- From nobody Thu Apr 27 23:18:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E1C127843 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 23:18:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.183 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.183 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tSjnk4WVUxDN for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 23:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35134129C27 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 23:15:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=GqHL1gfMMlF44A67M845SmAqpSw=; b=pc5Cvq8ZplMbSXeJ HKDExgDMNsYOaOyqXz4sb7iA5zLQLHcmZAy08KPOT0qE3LjXzVSbqchb4zROCZuR mEBxr7MYqW468mhr89Hi29VCTYRasKJO6zeSkMq0jsnoxIST+hnTPJPdnGbnGKvD clBfB44KgtCA3v9MhGfl1+aomEY= Received: by filter0447p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0447p1mdw1-1935-5902DE02-2B 2017-04-28 06:15:30.463670654 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id _Wto0YI8TOq48xe3xGPpAg for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2017 06:15:30.405 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 23:15:30 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Don't haphazardly suggest retrying over TCP (#290) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5902de0251dcd_40ac3f81a4f0bc3850561"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1RyPFFyr+GAquhD2GX/XMpQzT6adtE/4+0pA QA8Ql3gtFsS9RSxI5Z4DpYsv7CKlePMWIKRvIRq//OPAXXsWGpGxg91DPQ24b4Khjn9dMgkDoJslMQ l40Jx9jc3QgVa18gnlP6XPL6G+xM+maMjBqHT3FRf24hI6JGIszt68Vmvh6yglgSl78G8hYwZgT9R2 s= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 06:18:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5902de0251dcd_40ac3f81a4f0bc3850561 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #290 via #473. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Closed #290 via #473.

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----==_mimepart_5902de0251dcd_40ac3f81a4f0bc3850561-- From nobody Thu Apr 27 23:20:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1061612951C for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 23:20:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.183 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.183 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NuUYZzmCvs54 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 23:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 760C7128BB7 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2017 23:17:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=vpd0zimLOWwNoTDBdohL132y+uQ=; b=UUOlQziN2pGkO6rG YAIJhf7kgAiw43MD604MsI6t1r4kn3qcLakwh2bmNxLgucmJqg+QMs1ZOBq6m570 huV8IQDBt5TLpTnTA837YrOwXJ/fOQugQcsibpd69nFD86zl9D4IPjPX6R3l6lWi QYrfJsxAW+9W61NQ2LymZAZHe40= Received: by filter0930p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0930p1mdw1-6628-5902DE5D-4 2017-04-28 06:17:01.239995914 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id PpCm2ntuRf2gDobddGdZJw for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2017 06:17:01.190 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 23:17:01 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Various version negotiation fixes (#474) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5902de5d1d1e3_447e3fa757027c34832e5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2mZAFCBAm2YbGo8/kJ8Jo3oS+mw9GrfUoAv+ 0DgibEJOhFztMybzUfIaQJpolJ7H8j9DBYseOaUJ5AVHrRbJQ5qpsoyaxT9aQz5OcxP4pHQo4hQOJB vTsX+qhKcJVmJwE+8n6cGasANh7CBBb6G0gM/5y47mXmcw995eLkYmFLfsoGIqX8w6jLNg/Hr4ZfwN Y= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 06:20:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5902de5d1d1e3_447e3fa757027c34832e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is trivial, but closes a bunch of first implementation draft issues. @janaiyengar, I'd like to merge this before 2017-05-02. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/474#issuecomment-297916644 ----==_mimepart_5902de5d1d1e3_447e3fa757027c34832e5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This is trivial, but closes a bunch of first implementation draft issues. @janaiyengar, I'd like to merge this before 2017-05-02.

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@janaiyengar, also trivial. 2017-05-02 is my target date.

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1045,9 +1045,8 @@ particularly with respect to transport parameters that establish limits:
   limit is received, the client can recommence sending.
 
 * Similarly, a client might exceed the initial stream limit declared by the
-  server.  A client MUST reset any streams that exceed this limit.  A server
-  SHOULD reset any streams it cannot handle with a code that allows the client
-  to retry any application action bound to those streams.
+  server.  A server MAY reset any streams it cannot handle with a code that
+  allows the client to retry any application action bound to those streams.

Which code?

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1045,9 +1045,8 @@ particularly with respect to transport parameters that establish limits:
   limit is received, the client can recommence sending.
 
 * Similarly, a client might exceed the initial stream limit declared by the
-  server.  A client MUST reset any streams that exceed this limit.  A server
-  SHOULD reset any streams it cannot handle with a code that allows the client
-  to retry any application action bound to those streams.
+  server.  A server MAY reset any streams it cannot handle with a code that
+  allows the client to retry any application action bound to those streams.

Oh, I'm waiting for #467 to land before doing that (it's CANCELLED).

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@ekr asked which code a server might use to cancel streams that exceed a revised limit after 0-RTT in #479.

My initial response was CANCELLED, which I'm adding in #467. However on reflection I think that might be a category error. The application protocol should be the one to cancel things and we should use the HTTP-defined HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED instead.

The reason being twofold:

  • On general principles, the transport shouldn't be cancelling streams without first consulting the application layer; what if the transport cancelled stream 3 (or maybe stream 1)? To the transport that's not special

  • Signaling the ability to retry is easier at the application layer. At the transport layer the only way to distinguish between retryable and not is to ask whether any bytes were passed to the application layer. At the application layer, even if bytes were delivered, the application might still be able to cancel without side effects.

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1058,6 +1058,10 @@ validation was not requested originally.  In such cases, the cookie extension
 could either be absent or it could indicate that an address validation token is
 not present.
 
+A server can use the cookie extension to store all state necessary to continue
+the connection.  This allows a server to avoid committing state for clients that
+have unvalidated source addresses.
+

This works, though I think you should be clearer about how you pickle that information (self-encrypted AEAD).

However, if we're in the business of telling people what to do, we actually should document both this technique and the CH...SFIN, NST, RST technique that davidben and victor described.

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With framing and packet overheads this -value could be reduced. +QUIC requires that the initial handshake packet from a client fit within the +payload of a single packet. A minimum-sized initial packet in IPv6 has space +for a single TLS record of 1197 octets once the QUIC header and minimal framing +is added. This is phrased awkwardly, and also seems to semi-conflict with {{#packetization}}. I would consolidate these, and you also need to fix the requirement in {{#packetization}} that things be exactly 1280 because the client has no control over that. I think rather what we need to say is: 1. The client needs to ensure that the initial packet has at least X bytes of UDP payload 2. When you add the QUIC header, that means CH can be up to Y bytes. 3. The rest of the space MUST be used by PADDING frames. Based on the text, I believe that X == 1232 (I wouldn't bother to adjust between v4 and v6). How do you get 1197? 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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -532,9 +532,10 @@ older than 1.3 is negotiated.
 
 ## ClientHello Size
 
-QUIC requires that the initial handshake packet from a client fit within a
-single packet of at least 1280 octets.  With framing and packet overheads this
-value could be reduced.
+QUIC requires that the initial handshake packet from a client fit within the
+payload of a single packet.  A minimum-sized initial packet in IPv6 has space
+for a single TLS record of 1197 octets once the QUIC header and minimal framing
+is added.

This is phrased awkwardly, and also seems to semi-conflict with {{#packetization}}.

I would consolidate these, and you also need to fix the requirement in {{#packetization}} that things be exactly 1280 because the client has no control over that.

I think rather what we need to say is:

  1. The client needs to ensure that the initial packet has at least X bytes of UDP payload
  2. When you add the QUIC header, that means CH can be up to Y bytes.
  3. The rest of the space MUST be used by PADDING frames.

Based on the text, I believe that X == 1232 (I wouldn't bother to adjust between v4 and v6).
How do you get 1197? If we have 1232 bytes for UDP payload and then a 17-byte minimal QUIC header and a 3 byte STREAM frame header....

And I would put all of this in this space and leave the general guidance in {{#packetization}}.

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In particular, the +integrity check length needs to be subtracted from available space when padding +the initial client packet. + +The sender then calculates the integrity check over the entire packet, starting +from the type field. The output of the hash is appended to the packet. I agree with MT here. While there's no rules about where authentication tags for AEAD, as a practical matte everyone thinks they go last for the reason MT indicates. Is there any technical reason it should go first? > + +An endpoint sending a packet that has a long header and a type that does not +indicate that the packet will be protected (that is, 0-RTT Encrypted (0x05), +1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 0) (0x06), or 1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 1) (0x07)) +first constructs the packet that it sends without the integrity check. + +In constructing the packet, the endpoint has to consider the extra length that +the integrity check will add relative to the path MTU. In particular, the +integrity check length needs to be subtracted from available space when padding +the initial client packet. + +The sender then calculates the integrity check over the entire packet, starting +from the type field. The output of the hash is appended to the packet. + +A receiver that receives an unprotected packet first checks that the version is +correct, then removes the trailing octets. It calculates the integrity check trailing 16 octets. > +integrity check length needs to be subtracted from available space when padding +the initial client packet. + +The sender then calculates the integrity check over the entire packet, starting +from the type field. The output of the hash is appended to the packet. + +A receiver that receives an unprotected packet first checks that the version is +correct, then removes the trailing octets. It calculates the integrity check +over the remainder of the packet. Unprotected packets that do not contain a +valid integrity check MUST be discarded. + + +## The 128-bit FNV-1a Algorithm {#fnv1a} + +QUIC uses the 128-bit version of the alternative Fowler/Noll/Vo hash, or FNV-1a +{{FNV}}. (FNV-1a), not "or" because these are the same thing, not alternatives > +for each input octet: + hash := hash XOR input octet + hash := hash * prime +``` + +That is, a 128-bit unsigned integer is initialized with an offset basis. Then, +for each octet of the input, the exclusive binary OR of the value is taken, then +multiplied by a prime. Any overflow from multiplication is discarded. + +The offset basis for the 128-bit FNV-1a is the decimal value +144066263297769815596495629667062367629 (in hex, +0x6c62272e07bb014262b821756295c58d). The prime is 309485009821345068724781371 +(in hex, 0x1000000000000000000013b; or as an expression 2^88 + 2^8 + 0x3b). + +Once all octets have been processed in this fashion, the final integer value is +encoded on 16 octets in network byte order. encoded as. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/480#pullrequestreview-35294312 ----==_mimepart_5902f1dbc60f8_63c93fa4db0afc34284587 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ekr requested changes on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+
+## Integrity Check Processing
+
+An endpoint sending a packet that has a long header and a type that does not
+indicate that the packet will be protected (that is, 0-RTT Encrypted (0x05),
+1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 0) (0x06), or 1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 1) (0x07))
+first constructs the packet that it sends without the integrity check.
+
+In constructing the packet, the endpoint has to consider the extra length that
+the integrity check will add relative to the path MTU.  In particular, the
+integrity check length needs to be subtracted from available space when padding
+the initial client packet.
+
+The sender then calculates the integrity check over the entire packet, starting
+from the type field.  The output of the hash is appended to the packet.

I agree with MT here. While there's no rules about where authentication tags for AEAD, as a practical matte everyone thinks they go last for the reason MT indicates. Is there any technical reason it should go first?

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+An endpoint sending a packet that has a long header and a type that does not
+indicate that the packet will be protected (that is, 0-RTT Encrypted (0x05),
+1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 0) (0x06), or 1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 1) (0x07))
+first constructs the packet that it sends without the integrity check.
+
+In constructing the packet, the endpoint has to consider the extra length that
+the integrity check will add relative to the path MTU.  In particular, the
+integrity check length needs to be subtracted from available space when padding
+the initial client packet.
+
+The sender then calculates the integrity check over the entire packet, starting
+from the type field.  The output of the hash is appended to the packet.
+
+A receiver that receives an unprotected packet first checks that the version is
+correct, then removes the trailing octets.  It calculates the integrity check

trailing 16 octets.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +integrity check length needs to be subtracted from available space when padding
+the initial client packet.
+
+The sender then calculates the integrity check over the entire packet, starting
+from the type field.  The output of the hash is appended to the packet.
+
+A receiver that receives an unprotected packet first checks that the version is
+correct, then removes the trailing octets.  It calculates the integrity check
+over the remainder of the packet.  Unprotected packets that do not contain a
+valid integrity check MUST be discarded.
+
+
+## The 128-bit FNV-1a Algorithm {#fnv1a}
+
+QUIC uses the 128-bit version of the alternative Fowler/Noll/Vo hash, or FNV-1a
+{{FNV}}.

(FNV-1a), not "or" because these are the same thing, not alternatives

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +for each input octet:
+    hash := hash XOR input octet
+    hash := hash * prime
+```
+
+That is, a 128-bit unsigned integer is initialized with an offset basis.  Then,
+for each octet of the input, the exclusive binary OR of the value is taken, then
+multiplied by a prime.  Any overflow from multiplication is discarded.
+
+The offset basis for the 128-bit FNV-1a is the decimal value
+144066263297769815596495629667062367629 (in hex,
+0x6c62272e07bb014262b821756295c58d).  The prime is 309485009821345068724781371
+(in hex, 0x1000000000000000000013b; or as an expression 2^88 + 2^8 + 0x3b).
+
+Once all octets have been processed in this fashion, the final integer value is
+encoded on 16 octets in network byte order.

encoded as.

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I agree we need to document this here. Having a core piece of QUIC farmed out to some individual draft is not good. If someone wants to resurrect draft-eastlake as a QUIC document, then that would be OK I guess.

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Hmm... So if I host netconf over QUIC, I need to invent a new error code for this? That's definitely going to need some guidance to app protocol designers.

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10.3. Stream Concurrency

A receiver MUST NOT renege on an advertisement; that is, once a receiver advertises a stream ID via a LIMIT_UPDATE frame, it MUST NOT subsequently advertise a smaller maximum ID. A sender may receive LIMIT_UPDATE frames out of order; a sender MUST therefore ignore any LIMIT_UPDATE that does not increase the maximum.

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Packet types start at 01 for packets with both long and short headers.

Is 00 reserved? If yes, the draft should say this and indicate so in the tables.

Or is this a bug and types should start at 00?

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The best (but still imperfect) solution I have is to change http frame to http record. It overlaps with TLS of course (which isn't all that desirable), but it uses the term pretty much the same way - to provide delimiters within a QUIC stream. The other idea I had was "http-control-segments".. I think segment is a better fit here as compared against renaming all quic frames to quic segments (again ordering and offset are present) and it emphasizes the native integration between hq and quic for data but not control. I'm not especially concerned that we would be changing the h2-frame language.. HQ doesn't need framing in many of the same places that H2 did so a change in nomenclature is ok to avoid confusion with the transport. On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 12:48 AM, Mark Nottingham wrote: > H2 already has frames; maybe the new thing should have the new name. E.g., > 'QUIC segments". > > YMMV. > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/128#issuecomment-297996392= ----==_mimepart_590342441b0e0_1ca43f80bcde7c3c632c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't like quic-segments because
1] it implies an ordering (and seqno) and the quic-frames aren't really=
ordered unless they are streams
2] the term doesn't line up well with tcp segments (which are 1:1 with<= br> unfragmented IP).. and quic and tcp are at the same 'layer' - so co= nfusion.

The best (but still imperfect) solution I have is to change http frame to http record. It overlaps with TLS of course (which isn't all that
desirable), but it uses the term pretty much the same way - to provide
delimiters within a QUIC stream.

The other idea I had was "http-control-segments".. I think segmen= t is a
better fit here as compared against renaming all quic frames to quic
segments (again ordering and offset are present) and it emphasizes the
native integration between hq and quic for data but not control.

I'm not especially concerned that we would be changing the h2-frame
language.. HQ doesn't need framing in many of the same places that H2 d= id
so a change in nomenclature is ok to avoid confusion with the transport.


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QUIC-internal, and HTTP only needs to refer to QUIC streams, right? QUIC<= br> itself doesn't encounter HTTP frames, so QUIC never refers to other protocol frames.

I think it's fine to reuse frames and streams for the key reason that= no
matter what you choose (unless you choose "vesicle"), you'r= e likely to
conflict with some app. "Stream" is even harder, since video/au= dio might
use it in completely different ways than QUIC, but it's important to = note
that the scoping is different. ("A video frame can be mapped to a QU= IC
stream, and a video stream is made up of video frames.")

I've always found qualifiers ("QUIC", "HTTP", &qu= ot;video") to be adequate.


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Closes #486.

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The frames represent events which occur. We currently = reference: * On the wire, data is framed into QUIC STREAM frames, but this framing= is invisible to the HTTP framing layer. A QUIC receiver buffers and orders= received STREAM frames, exposing the data contained within as a reliable b= yte stream to the application. * (Discussing CONNECT) All QUIC STREAM frames on the message data stre= am correspond to data sent on the TCP connection. Any QUIC STREAM frame sen= t by the client is transmitted by the proxy to the TCP server; data receive= d from the TCP server is written to the data stream by the proxy. Note that= the size and number of TCP segments is not guaranteed to map predictably t= o the size and number of QUIC STREAM frames. * The following error codes are defined by HTTP for use in QUIC RST_STR= EAM, GOAWAY, and CONNECTION_CLOSE frames. This doesn=E2=80=99t actually bother me much, because I already have to com= pare/contrast with HTTP/2 frames. If they=E2=80=99re HTTP/QUIC frames, I j= ust call them frame. If they=E2=80=99re something else, I call them frames. From: janaiyengar [mailto:notifications@github.com] Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 11:56 AM To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Mike Bishop ; Comment Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] We have two things called "frame" (#128) Why does the HTTP document need to talk about QUIC frames? Those are QUIC-internal, and HTTP only needs to refer to QUIC streams, right? QUIC itself doesn't encounter HTTP frames, so QUIC never refers to other protocol frames. I think it's fine to reuse frames and streams for the key reason that no matter what you choose (unless you choose "vesicle"), you're likely to conflict with some app. "Stream" is even harder, since video/audio might use it in completely different ways than QUIC, but it's important to note that the scoping is different. ("A video frame can be mapped to a QUIC stream, and a video stream is made up of video frames.") I've always found qualifiers ("QUIC", "HTTP", "video") to be adequate. On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 7:47 AM, ekr wrote: > Also: > > Cell > Fragment > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > =E2=80=94 You are receiving this because you commented. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread. --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/128#issuecomment-298082811= ----==_mimepart_590393cb52754_3fc33f8da892bc2c67074 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We might be able to get out of HTTP referencing QUIC frames, but that=E2=80= =99s just wording. The frames represent events which occur. We currently = reference:

* On the wire, data is framed into QUIC STREAM frames, but this framing= is invisible to the HTTP framing layer. A QUIC receiver buffers and orders= received STREAM frames, exposing the data contained within as a reliable b= yte stream to the application.
* (Discussing CONNECT) All QUIC STREAM frames on the message data stre= am correspond to data sent on the TCP connection. Any QUIC STREAM frame sen= t by the client is transmitted by the proxy to the TCP server; data receive= d from the TCP server is written to the data stream by the proxy. Note that= the size and number of TCP segments is not guaranteed to map predictably t= o the size and number of QUIC STREAM frames.
* The following error codes are defined by HTTP for use in QUIC RST_STR= EAM, GOAWAY, and CONNECTION_CLOSE frames.

This doesn=E2=80=99t actually bother me much, because I already have to com= pare/contrast with HTTP/2 frames. If they=E2=80=99re HTTP/QUIC frames, I j= ust call them <X> frame. If they=E2=80=99re something else, I call t= hem <protocol> <X> frames.

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Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] We have two things called "frame&quo= t; (#128)

Why does the HTTP document need to talk about QUIC frames? Those are
QUIC-internal, and HTTP only needs to refer to QUIC streams, right? QUIC
itself doesn't encounter HTTP frames, so QUIC never refers to other
protocol frames.

I think it's fine to reuse frames and streams for the key reason that no
matter what you choose (unless you choose "vesicle"), you're = likely to
conflict with some app. "Stream" is even harder, since video/audi= o might
use it in completely different ways than QUIC, but it's important to no= te
that the scoping is different. ("A video frame can be mapped to a QUIC
stream, and a video stream is made up of video frames.")

I've always found qualifiers ("QUIC", "HTTP", "= ;video") to be adequate.


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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+
+## Integrity Check Processing
+
+An endpoint sending a packet that has a long header and a type that does not
+indicate that the packet will be protected (that is, 0-RTT Encrypted (0x05),
+1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 0) (0x06), or 1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 1) (0x07))
+first constructs the packet that it sends without the integrity check.
+
+In constructing the packet, the endpoint has to consider the extra length that
+the integrity check will add relative to the path MTU.  In particular, the
+integrity check length needs to be subtracted from available space when padding
+the initial client packet.
+
+The sender then calculates the integrity check over the entire packet, starting
+from the type field.  The output of the hash is appended to the packet.

My bad -- I had assumed that AEAD convention was to do it at the beginning, but I was wrong. Trailing hash SGTM.

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +128-bit FNV-1a hash (see {{fnv1a}}).  The output of this hash is appended to the
+payload of the packet.
+
+The integrity check algorithm MAY change for other versions of the protocol.
+
+
+## Integrity Check Processing
+
+An endpoint sending a packet that has a long header and a type that does not
+indicate that the packet will be protected (that is, 0-RTT Encrypted (0x05),
+1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 0) (0x06), or 1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 1) (0x07))
+first constructs the packet that it sends without the integrity check.
+
+In constructing the packet, the endpoint has to consider the extra length that
+the integrity check will add relative to the path MTU.  In particular, the
+integrity check length needs to be subtracted from available space when padding

I see what you were trying to describe. This process generally applies to all packets though, which an implementer needs to be careful about if the packet is to fit within the max packet size.

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Ok with documenting FNV here, but I'd prefer the draft as a reference instead of the website.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +128-bit FNV-1a hash (see {{fnv1a}}).  The output of this hash is appended to the
+payload of the packet.
+
+The integrity check algorithm MAY change for other versions of the protocol.
+
+
+## Integrity Check Processing
+
+An endpoint sending a packet that has a long header and a type that does not
+indicate that the packet will be protected (that is, 0-RTT Encrypted (0x05),
+1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 0) (0x06), or 1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 1) (0x07))
+first constructs the packet that it sends without the integrity check.
+
+In constructing the packet, the endpoint has to consider the extra length that
+the integrity check will add relative to the path MTU.  In particular, the
+integrity check length needs to be subtracted from available space when padding

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In such cases, the cookie extension could either be absent or it could indicate that an address validation token is not present. +A server can use the cookie extension to store all state necessary to continue +the connection. This allows a server to avoid committing state for clients that +have unvalidated source addresses. + I think that I'll leave the tricks for another PR. I'm not convinced that the trick will work. It will always require at least two packets because NST and CONNECTION_CLOSE require packet protection (I suppose you might argue that is more reason to add a new cleartext+encrypted packet type). Then there is the size of the certificate. It's more computation, more amplification factor, and all we get is one round trip less delay. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1058,6 +1058,10 @@ validation was not requested originally.  In such cases, the cookie extension
 could either be absent or it could indicate that an address validation token is
 not present.
 
+A server can use the cookie extension to store all state necessary to continue
+the connection.  This allows a server to avoid committing state for clients that
+have unvalidated source addresses.
+

I think that I'll leave the tricks for another PR. I'm not convinced that the trick will work. It will always require at least two packets because NST and CONNECTION_CLOSE require packet protection (I suppose you might argue that is more reason to add a new cleartext+encrypted packet type). Then there is the size of the certificate. It's more computation, more amplification factor, and all we get is one round trip less delay.

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With framing and packet overheads this -value could be reduced. +QUIC requires that the initial handshake packet from a client fit within the +payload of a single packet. A minimum-sized initial packet in IPv6 has space +for a single TLS record of 1197 octets once the QUIC header and minimal framing +is added. A STREAM frame header can be two octets. And then there is the FNV-1a hash, which I know isn't in the current draft, but I'm trying to avoid having to update this once that lands. I really only wanted to say point 2 here. I'll take another stab at it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/472#discussion_r114096622 ----==_mimepart_5906b214edd85_5ffe3fee3643bc3c3042a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -532,9 +532,10 @@ older than 1.3 is negotiated.
 
 ## ClientHello Size
 
-QUIC requires that the initial handshake packet from a client fit within a
-single packet of at least 1280 octets.  With framing and packet overheads this
-value could be reduced.
+QUIC requires that the initial handshake packet from a client fit within the
+payload of a single packet.  A minimum-sized initial packet in IPv6 has space
+for a single TLS record of 1197 octets once the QUIC header and minimal framing
+is added.

A STREAM frame header can be two octets. And then there is the FNV-1a hash, which I know isn't in the current draft, but I'm trying to avoid having to update this once that lands.

I really only wanted to say point 2 here. I'll take another stab at it.

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Merged #480.

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The current plan (if we ever clear our backlog) is to move the details of the packet protection and key schedule to the transport. If that ever happens, it will be easy enough to move this new text at the same time as the packet protection. Two choices that I made here: 1. all packets are protected, including Public Reset - this means that the packet construction code can have very simple logic for determining whether to add an integrity check, namely is there an AEAD?; the cost being that public reset is a little bigger 2. the integrity check mechanism can change in a new version - this avoids expanding the list of things that we promise that won't change between versions; the cost being one extra trivial check on receiving an unprotected packet Commit: b19829cff70c5ea38b9be97e9b2335a3676ca900 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b19829cff70c5ea38b9be97e9b2335a3676ca900 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-28 (Fri, 28 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Remove advice Commit: d4622fda0bc141ecc7fa23357da5df1f60aab345 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d4622fda0bc141ecc7fa23357da5df1f60aab345 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-01 (Mon, 01 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Review comments Commit: dfe2859789c2775f6fe3b5e791915a857e3c3b3c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dfe2859789c2775f6fe3b5e791915a857e3c3b3c Author: janaiyengar Date: 2017-04-30 (Sun, 30 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #480 from quicwg/fnv-1a Add a description of the FNV-1a algorithm Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/bae13e1ebef5...dfe2859789c2 ----==_mimepart_5906c0f064527_6f1e3fd7ded6bc4492187-- From nobody Sun Apr 30 22:05:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79E7C129B3A for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2017 22:05:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.497 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.497 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VcKEx1YuAB6U for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2017 22:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20A61129B63 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2017 22:02:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=mA4waqSmBY+6G2uhIAyYE/0lITo=; b=HH8NqSnxVz7I6HBd myb9BynCfoSOpO7rgth9rA/j1aeJveie8IdmLqzRAdx5BTGLwof992IfTc080A36 rMe3f2lzhjxkn40/tgtkIiXDofsU1nQDJD8ycHLTNuLixbqnzFXPoUipG0krKD6D xv2VR7aBg4knWmDKq70P3gy51+8= Received: by filter0467p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0467p1mdw1-32580-5906C162-7 2017-05-01 05:02:26.14624566 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id cqVWLaJETMWLEA8l3TmWnw for ; Mon, 01 May 2017 05:02:26.286 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 22:02:26 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add support for a hash-based Public Reset packet (#20) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5906c1622ec75_238c3ff992ec3c381613b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2Qfe3gyZhl2/xJtUQwOtoJMwyJMSMGQfqcZz XOxr0K/TgF22tgWp5g578S8916Iv371CLNm2UNOUjlqfvpVsj0tAF2A1gkr4JqY2e/Ouk14u+Lvouq ITIZVFdrponry4nFDFFdvpXI7G+TjxvIJ3Bv4aUIR7fuUY5fSkjGrxaumRP/MM1X+relYSAF0fdi9b I= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 May 2017 05:05:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5906c1622ec75_238c3ff992ec3c381613b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Possibly a more relevant question then: do you intend to update this to track the changes in the draft? 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Possibly a more relevant question then: do you intend to update this to = track the changes in the draft? I plan to update #460, which might mean making it publicly verifi= able, or making the reset indistinguishable, or whatever the working group = ends up with.

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----==_mimepart_5906c50ee7211_37333fcd334cdc3c128463-- From nobody Sun Apr 30 22:28:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4173129405 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2017 22:28:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.4 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h1DHNlA_6YvB for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2017 22:28:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4E2B129B3A for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2017 22:25:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=/y/3dbA9HUBJKeX7fjMWOfetiJM=; b=OcsAjctCXdrlV4yt r+TOTQ7cSMnvAdQCWUI8qMqv2AaqSooTvQbbv6zogQ2si+Dx0Z2JKH+52Z6dZgMr WwPNEDWug1dzO7MPVq5pnWcrA6+QgVOhxlUiPIJRPHxplXNg2yH85QciRhp3XhGs p98GIQMhaEpTiygiV+r41zkW454= Received: by filter0596p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0596p1mdw1-3848-5906C6DD-8 2017-05-01 05:25:49.114819187 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id O4PZKeUiTvS-2Sg6zENy-Q for ; Mon, 01 May 2017 05:25:49.125 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 22:25:49 -0700 From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Address validation is stateless reject (#482) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5906c6dd45f_6f843ff400217c381231d5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1EpTGuDAX3vvPh74oOzT7eR6ZtbtbWUgoa3l 19CkL6M5F8iyJKJ1JR8UTujlCNvqLFW/FbF4k6aLiofJ5SdoAw0AO/l5ze87p+L999A6M0I/dpI5Vy zGJwohaqrGprh02Kv/MEtM66fjR8fXwpuoShtIs29+Tg8Sa8IdDCXw24Sg5+wdQ4LMFRYjgVrDr6Fx A= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 May 2017 05:28:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5906c6dd45f_6f843ff400217c381231d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > @@ -1059,6 +1059,27 @@ could either be absent or it could indicate that an address validation token is not present. +### Stateless Address Validation + +A server can use the cookie extension to store all state necessary to continue add citation for "the cookie extension" > + +A server can use the cookie extension to store all state necessary to continue +the connection. This allows a server to avoid committing state for clients that +have unvalidated source addresses. + +For instance, a server could use a statically-configured key to encrypt the +information that it requires and include that information in the cookie. In +addition to address validation information, a server that uses encryption also +needs to be able recover the hash of the ClientHello and its length, plus any +information it needs in order to reconstruct the HelloRetryRequest. + +A client proceeds as though the server were stateful. It constructs a second +ClientHello and sends it following the initial ClientHello. Note that this +means a server that doesn't maintain state between the intial and second +ClientHello will receive the second ClientHello in STREAM frames with a non-zero +offset. The resulting gap in the received stream data needs to be ignored and I don't think this hack of delivering bytes out of order works... how is a server to know that there aren't lost packets? Alternatively, a server can send a new connection ID for the client to use for the next leg of the connection. That would be cleaner, and wouldn't need this hack of delivering bytes out of order to TLS. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/482#pullrequestreview-35540495 ----==_mimepart_5906c6dd45f_6f843ff400217c381231d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1059,6 +1059,27 @@ could either be absent or it could indicate that an address validation token is
 not present.
 
 
+### Stateless Address Validation
+
+A server can use the cookie extension to store all state necessary to continue

add citation for "the cookie extension"

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+A server can use the cookie extension to store all state necessary to continue
+the connection.  This allows a server to avoid committing state for clients that
+have unvalidated source addresses.
+
+For instance, a server could use a statically-configured key to encrypt the
+information that it requires and include that information in the cookie.  In
+addition to address validation information, a server that uses encryption also
+needs to be able recover the hash of the ClientHello and its length, plus any
+information it needs in order to reconstruct the HelloRetryRequest.
+
+A client proceeds as though the server were stateful.  It constructs a second
+ClientHello and sends it following the initial ClientHello.  Note that this
+means a server that doesn't maintain state between the intial and second
+ClientHello will receive the second ClientHello in STREAM frames with a non-zero
+offset.  The resulting gap in the received stream data needs to be ignored and

I don't think this hack of delivering bytes out of order works... how is a server to know that there aren't lost packets?

Alternatively, a server can send a new connection ID for the client to use for the next leg of the connection. That would be cleaner, and wouldn't need this hack of delivering bytes out of order to TLS.

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I was hoping we would have a discussion of the design constraints in Paris and then we can design the crypto to suit. Would that work for you?

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1952,16 +1952,19 @@ An endpoint MUST NOT reduce their MTU below this number, even if it receives
 signals that indicate a smaller limit might exist.
 
 Clients MUST ensure that the first packet in a connection, and any
-retransmissions of those octets, has a total size (including IP and UDP headers)
-of at least 1280 bytes. This might require inclusion of PADDING frames. It is
-RECOMMENDED that a packet be padded to exactly 1280 octets unless the client has
-a reasonable assurance that the PMTU is larger. Sending a packet of this size
-ensures that the network path supports an MTU of this size and helps mitigate
-amplification attacks caused by server responses toward an unverified client
-address.
-
-Servers MUST reject the first plaintext packet received from a client if it its
-total size is less than 1280 octets, to mitigate amplification attacks.
+retransmissions of those octets, has a payload of least 1232 octets for an IPv6
+datagram and 1252 octets for an IPv4 datagram.  In the absence of extensions to
+the IP or UDP header, padding to exactly these values will result in a packet

No, I think not

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Well, as I understood it, MT was trying to say how big the ClientHello c= ould be, and that's the thing that fits in the frame. I could live with eit= her set of calculations as long as the numbers are correct.

With regard to v4 or v6, do you plan to do happy eyeballs by sending the= QUIC packet 0 over both paths? In that case, you need a CH which will fit = in either versio, as you can't change it later.

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