From nobody Mon May 1 02:04:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B10E12949E for ; Mon, 1 May 2017 02:04:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id prraIP_CK5-R for ; Mon, 1 May 2017 02:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0CAF612945D for ; Mon, 1 May 2017 02:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 01 May 2017 02:01:21 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1493629281; bh=/g/4/dJtf4obpvjvyJxUd++Oyuz/G9jmDL6UzOsttHY=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=t6ZTwdXkBjjg18hr41SUHt93SkGByZMJziE0L0u08qRn1cIR67h89hUggZ4Ak6Hsz 79x23TPhWzYbzGT2GWx62+pfIp89Sa4pGAWZEjDuh27f9eDrad7ySAl5fcVKZQqQ7R unvqYP9+3npH0Nze7BBFg7N9zDJaTkxBOOFqf0TY= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add support for a hash-based Public Reset packet (#20) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5906f96113b4e_7fda3ffcd811dc343807e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 May 2017 09:04:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5906f96113b4e_7fda3ffcd811dc343807e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep, that works perfectly. I was expecting that this would need to wait for Paris anyway. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/20#issuecomment-298307846 ----==_mimepart_5906f96113b4e_7fda3ffcd811dc343807e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Yep, that works perfectly. I was expecting that this would need to wait for Paris anyway.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1059,6 +1059,27 @@ could either be absent or it could indicate that an address validation token is
 not present.
 
 
+### Stateless Address Validation
+
+A server can use the cookie extension to store all state necessary to continue

It's in TLS.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+A server can use the cookie extension to store all state necessary to continue
+the connection.  This allows a server to avoid committing state for clients that
+have unvalidated source addresses.
+
+For instance, a server could use a statically-configured key to encrypt the
+information that it requires and include that information in the cookie.  In
+addition to address validation information, a server that uses encryption also
+needs to be able recover the hash of the ClientHello and its length, plus any
+information it needs in order to reconstruct the HelloRetryRequest.
+
+A client proceeds as though the server were stateful.  It constructs a second
+ClientHello and sends it following the initial ClientHello.  Note that this
+means a server that doesn't maintain state between the intial and second
+ClientHello will receive the second ClientHello in STREAM frames with a non-zero
+offset.  The resulting gap in the received stream data needs to be ignored and

This isn't a hack, it's just physics. The first ClientHello takes N bytes, the second takes M. The offset for the first is 0, the second is N because it follows immediately after. The point here is that the client proceed as if this were the same connection; the server - if it does a stateless reject - has to account for that and deal with the fact that after the reject it won't ever receive the first N bytes - they were already received.

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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+A server can use the cookie extension to store all state necessary to continue
+the connection.  This allows a server to avoid committing state for clients that
+have unvalidated source addresses.
+
+For instance, a server could use a statically-configured key to encrypt the
+information that it requires and include that information in the cookie.  In
+addition to address validation information, a server that uses encryption also
+needs to be able recover the hash of the ClientHello and its length, plus any
+information it needs in order to reconstruct the HelloRetryRequest.
+
+A client proceeds as though the server were stateful.  It constructs a second
+ClientHello and sends it following the initial ClientHello.  Note that this
+means a server that doesn't maintain state between the intial and second
+ClientHello will receive the second ClientHello in STREAM frames with a non-zero
+offset.  The resulting gap in the received stream data needs to be ignored and

Why is the stream abstraction important during handshake?

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A SLOT frame is packet oriented frame which is a simpler version of partially reliable transmission
(#433).

It could be used in place of Stream 0 for handshake, and for game state services etc.

Semantics: a frame that has data similar to a stream frame, but no offset and it is limited to a single packet always. The frame has a SLOT ID similar to a FRAME ID but the SLOT ID can be reused indefinitely and the frame is not retransmitted. Ordering among slot frames is given by the packet number and the offset withint the packet, but it is not possible to tell how many slot frames were transmitted.

It is possible to have a second SLOT type that has retransmission. Optionally there could also be a sequence counter for the retransmittable slot.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+A server can use the cookie extension to store all state necessary to continue
+the connection.  This allows a server to avoid committing state for clients that
+have unvalidated source addresses.
+
+For instance, a server could use a statically-configured key to encrypt the
+information that it requires and include that information in the cookie.  In
+addition to address validation information, a server that uses encryption also
+needs to be able recover the hash of the ClientHello and its length, plus any
+information it needs in order to reconstruct the HelloRetryRequest.
+
+A client proceeds as though the server were stateful.  It constructs a second
+ClientHello and sends it following the initial ClientHello.  Note that this
+means a server that doesn't maintain state between the intial and second
+ClientHello will receive the second ClientHello in STREAM frames with a non-zero
+offset.  The resulting gap in the received stream data needs to be ignored and

Here is a proposal that might help simplify handshake without interfering with 0-RTT stream semantics. For 1-rtt it could be required that streams are not permitted before handshake is complete. #489

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> I have a solution for double-migration: require a strictly ordered
> sequence of new connection IDs. Every associated packet number increme= nt
> has to be added. So if you move twice, you will have added a delta twi= ce as
> well. You can't skip a connection ID without also accounting for t= he packet
> number offset. Then there is no ambiguity.
>
> When you say "strictly ordered" here, you mean ordered accor= ding to the
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Ordered in terms of order of delivery, or probably with a number attache= d (so that packet reordering doesn't cause issues).

The connection ID can't really wrap, it's not a sequence number. The pa= cket number wouldn't be permitted to wrap either, because that leads to a t= wo-time pad on the AEAD. 2^32 is all you need to ensure that the next numb= er appears to entirely random, so 2^31 on average should be OK. My hope is= that the occasional small gap in packet number won't risk running out enti= rely (2^64).

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+A server can use the cookie extension to store all state necessary to continue
+the connection.  This allows a server to avoid committing state for clients that
+have unvalidated source addresses.
+
+For instance, a server could use a statically-configured key to encrypt the
+information that it requires and include that information in the cookie.  In
+addition to address validation information, a server that uses encryption also
+needs to be able recover the hash of the ClientHello and its length, plus any
+information it needs in order to reconstruct the HelloRetryRequest.
+
+A client proceeds as though the server were stateful.  It constructs a second
+ClientHello and sends it following the initial ClientHello.  Note that this
+means a server that doesn't maintain state between the intial and second
+ClientHello will receive the second ClientHello in STREAM frames with a non-zero
+offset.  The resulting gap in the received stream data needs to be ignored and

Is this predicated on the idea that a ClientHello must fit into a single packet? If a ClientHello can span multiple packets, then I don't think I understand how a server would distinguish between a packet which contains part 2 of a ClientHello from a packet which contains a post-stateless-reject ClientHello.

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+A server can use the cookie extension to store all state necessary to continue
+the connection.  This allows a server to avoid committing state for clients that
+have unvalidated source addresses.
+
+For instance, a server could use a statically-configured key to encrypt the
+information that it requires and include that information in the cookie.  In
+addition to address validation information, a server that uses encryption also
+needs to be able recover the hash of the ClientHello and its length, plus any
+information it needs in order to reconstruct the HelloRetryRequest.
+
+A client proceeds as though the server were stateful.  It constructs a second
+ClientHello and sends it following the initial ClientHello.  Note that this
+means a server that doesn't maintain state between the intial and second
+ClientHello will receive the second ClientHello in STREAM frames with a non-zero
+offset.  The resulting gap in the received stream data needs to be ignored and

We already require that ClientHello fits in a single packet. Even the possibility of a two-part ClientHello makes DoS mitigation very difficult.

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My opinion only.

If the intent of this is to deal with the minor infidelity that sending = a HelloRetryRequest introduces, then it is overkill. If the intent is to d= efine partial reliability, then I think that that this is out of scope (and= likely also unnecessary).

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1059,6 +1059,27 @@ could either be absent or it could indicate that an address validation token is
 not present.
 
 
+### Stateless Address Validation
+
+A server can use the cookie extension to store all state necessary to continue

Just to be pedantic: please use "the TLS cookie extension."

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+A server can use the cookie extension to store all state necessary to continue
+the connection.  This allows a server to avoid committing state for clients that
+have unvalidated source addresses.
+
+For instance, a server could use a statically-configured key to encrypt the
+information that it requires and include that information in the cookie.  In
+addition to address validation information, a server that uses encryption also
+needs to be able recover the hash of the ClientHello and its length, plus any
+information it needs in order to reconstruct the HelloRetryRequest.
+
+A client proceeds as though the server were stateful.  It constructs a second
+ClientHello and sends it following the initial ClientHello.  Note that this
+means a server that doesn't maintain state between the intial and second
+ClientHello will receive the second ClientHello in STREAM frames with a non-zero
+offset.  The resulting gap in the received stream data needs to be ignored and

What's the reason for making it transparent to the client? Why can the client not try with a new connection ID?

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Yes, as I was catching back up on this thread, that is exactly what I wa= s thinking. We need a message that (i) hands out index + connection ID (ass= uming we may want to send this message more than once, to hand out more con= nection IDs as needed), and (ii) a packet number delta. The indices of the = connection IDs across the observed migration can be used to determine the e= xpected packet number gap.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1952,16 +1952,19 @@ An endpoint MUST NOT reduce their MTU below this number, even if it receives
 signals that indicate a smaller limit might exist.
 
 Clients MUST ensure that the first packet in a connection, and any
-retransmissions of those octets, has a total size (including IP and UDP headers)
-of at least 1280 bytes. This might require inclusion of PADDING frames. It is
-RECOMMENDED that a packet be padded to exactly 1280 octets unless the client has
-a reasonable assurance that the PMTU is larger. Sending a packet of this size
-ensures that the network path supports an MTU of this size and helps mitigate
-amplification attacks caused by server responses toward an unverified client
-address.
-
-Servers MUST reject the first plaintext packet received from a client if it its
-total size is less than 1280 octets, to mitigate amplification attacks.
+retransmissions of those octets, has a payload of least 1232 octets for an IPv6
+datagram and 1252 octets for an IPv4 datagram.  In the absence of extensions to
+the IP or UDP header, padding to exactly these values will result in a packet

Then I would drop "or UDP" form the sentence

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This allows a server to avoid committing state for clients that +have unvalidated source addresses. + +For instance, a server could use a statically-configured key to encrypt the +information that it requires and include that information in the cookie. In +addition to address validation information, a server that uses encryption also +needs to be able recover the hash of the ClientHello and its length, plus any +information it needs in order to reconstruct the HelloRetryRequest. + +A client proceeds as though the server were stateful. It constructs a second +ClientHello and sends it following the initial ClientHello. Note that this +means a server that doesn't maintain state between the intial and second +ClientHello will receive the second ClientHello in STREAM frames with a non-zero +offset. The resulting gap in the received stream data needs to be ignored and The server is the one that cares, so it takes on the extra effort of dealing with the complexity. Why would the client retry with a new connection ID? Also, logically, TLS maintains a handshake transcript. Having the transcript appear to be on the same connection is less surprising than the odd gap you get with a stateless reject. Besides, it's not a gap to the client, just the server. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/482#discussion_r114233541 ----==_mimepart_5907ddcd7e2b8_4dfa3ff0985e9c3c23375 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+A server can use the cookie extension to store all state necessary to continue
+the connection.  This allows a server to avoid committing state for clients that
+have unvalidated source addresses.
+
+For instance, a server could use a statically-configured key to encrypt the
+information that it requires and include that information in the cookie.  In
+addition to address validation information, a server that uses encryption also
+needs to be able recover the hash of the ClientHello and its length, plus any
+information it needs in order to reconstruct the HelloRetryRequest.
+
+A client proceeds as though the server were stateful.  It constructs a second
+ClientHello and sends it following the initial ClientHello.  Note that this
+means a server that doesn't maintain state between the intial and second
+ClientHello will receive the second ClientHello in STREAM frames with a non-zero
+offset.  The resulting gap in the received stream data needs to be ignored and

The server is the one that cares, so it takes on the extra effort of dealing with the complexity. Why would the client retry with a new connection ID?

Also, logically, TLS maintains a handshake transcript. Having the transcript appear to be on the same connection is less surprising than the odd gap you get with a stateless reject. Besides, it's not a gap to the client, just the server.

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----==_mimepart_5907ddcd7e2b8_4dfa3ff0985e9c3c23375-- From nobody Mon May 1 18:21:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5E4A12EB43 for ; Mon, 1 May 2017 18:21:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.496 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.496 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9Kc5cfrnxB2g for ; Mon, 1 May 2017 18:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E7A3129568 for ; Mon, 1 May 2017 18:18:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=af4jGTFnAmoXNZFLQK47YaZXxHw=; b=WTBwOKlMq7LaRL1Y DFJJcp1SBM/7KsK8jYaXPRh0YB85HAvk9XH3Mx6ZfxBDFoeFdfVniLvmbuJd/0nq O/CahMHVnVsUmfZq0e7/CHlTB/+kP59HrpPDmISHIH+sTaGCDFkSnRUzoi668rBB JGzORCsa7o/ZaX51DflaMEM3mfM= Received: by filter0797p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0797p1mdw1-24805-5907DE5F-1A 2017-05-02 01:18:23.307154909 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id BUUDiXY7S8-EJKnv5QhkBg for ; Tue, 02 May 2017 01:18:23.258 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 01 May 2017 18:18:23 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] New connection ID message (#232) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5907de5f239af_532b3fe9aa9e9c3c1424b8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2iAaiFT0i9AZYdN+AFpXe6LsAyA3ermfKI3H v2srnuiCEl7yk0Y4FrALFGfapRE0KAeU/ndvxgjKuTcR3aUx5Gv+CNUOmrh1njtwkEfiIKn/FzbLoj Ym+J2JlMgs/qYqwyjEUB+MivawclV2vwvPD+Vt6ZetO0cLirPbbF4qKgn0JOKer7L0r91QiqihTBOu I= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 01:21:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5907de5f239af_532b3fe9aa9e9c3c1424b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You know, I could write this up, but it would be incomplete. The third item here is the public reset verifier, which needs to be updated for every new connection. Of course, if we decide that the verifier has to be in the clear, then we have to create a completely new design. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/232#issuecomment-298474065 ----==_mimepart_5907de5f239af_532b3fe9aa9e9c3c1424b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

You know, I could write this up, but it would be incomplete. The third = item here is the public reset verifier, which needs to be updated for every= new connection.

Of course, if we decide that the verifier has to be in the clear, then w= e have to create a completely new design.

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= ----==_mimepart_5907de5f239af_532b3fe9aa9e9c3c1424b8-- From nobody Mon May 1 18:22:47 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25FC5129473 for ; Mon, 1 May 2017 18:22:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.696 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.696 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OfhB59hZXLDV for ; Mon, 1 May 2017 18:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext5.iad.github.net [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9AC961205D3 for ; Mon, 1 May 2017 18:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 01 May 2017 18:19:49 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1493687989; bh=wBXnUzL9aZrm+WwEDns7+Lxc+SkmRTytO8zWpsPfWGY=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=vdUTfk1++3c6K3oqkMJ0/psa1baRVCj9pYqLLITGJQvTL3SO6+bP9VctiN0lykQax 1rgp6KP5ZwmHCApCqDpyMY+6BGfFxINx93pJKxF9jBtzQjtLlWFkC8lEQyE2myHXKq obuOMtfhWRL8v3IOzvnnEoW4yfVsg4BToNVyadkM= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Define the payload size of the initial packet rather than the total packet size (#472) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5907deb5cc169_5cab3ffb6f0f3c3c87455"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 01:22:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5907deb5cc169_5cab3ffb6f0f3c3c87455 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I understand what MT was trying to say. I prefer the simpler 1252/1232 version since it requires less description, you don't have to make assumptions about packet number size, and we don't have to keep updating if the QUIC header changes. Good point about v4/v6 -- I think let's leave this description as it is, and, if/when we describe happy eyeballs, we can discuss this point. FWIW, happy eyeballs is not trivial with QUIC because of 0-RTT data. We should probably describe this somewhere. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/472#issuecomment-298474226 ----==_mimepart_5907deb5cc169_5cab3ffb6f0f3c3c87455 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I understand what MT was trying to say. I prefer the simpler 1252/1232= version since it requires less description, you don't have to make assum= ptions about packet number size, and we don't have to keep updating if th= e QUIC header changes.

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There's a potential simplification here. Don't try to hit a particula= r target, just specify a single target. 1232 would work, as would any va= lue in that territory. The lower we go, the greater the exposure to ampl= ification attack, but the difference between 1232 and 1200 is pretty acad= emic here.

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The charter says: "Extensions that will support partial reliability, and negotiation and use of Forward Error Correction schemes, are out of scope in this version of the working group charter." Marking this as parked. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/489#issuecomment-298476473 ----==_mimepart_5907e31f73ec_7d3f3ff41518dc3016581f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

mikkelfj, partial reliability is currently explicitly out-of-scope. The = charter says: "Extensions that will support partial reliability, and negoti= ation and use of Forward Error Correction schemes, are out of scope in this= version of the working group charter."

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Catching up on this thread: I think I'm coming around on this. As long a= s we don't start designing things around out-of-order delivery within strea= ms, I agree that we don't need to dictate what implementations do.

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This allows a server to avoid committing state for clients that +have unvalidated source addresses. + +For instance, a server could use a statically-configured key to encrypt the +information that it requires and include that information in the cookie. In +addition to address validation information, a server that uses encryption also +needs to be able recover the hash of the ClientHello and its length, plus any +information it needs in order to reconstruct the HelloRetryRequest. + +A client proceeds as though the server were stateful. It constructs a second +ClientHello and sends it following the initial ClientHello. Note that this +means a server that doesn't maintain state between the intial and second +ClientHello will receive the second ClientHello in STREAM frames with a non-zero +offset. The resulting gap in the received stream data needs to be ignored and I'm trying to understand how this would work at the server and it's not clear to me. So, when the server receives a packet that basically has one stream frame with stream ID 1 and offset 1050, what should it do? Should it deliver it up to TLS, or should it buffer? Since this retry logic is only known to the TLS part, how is QUIC to determine that this is a retry and not just a reordered packet? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/482#discussion_r114235720 ----==_mimepart_5907e45079e2e_5fa83ff41518dc309448d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+A server can use the cookie extension to store all state necessary to continue
+the connection.  This allows a server to avoid committing state for clients that
+have unvalidated source addresses.
+
+For instance, a server could use a statically-configured key to encrypt the
+information that it requires and include that information in the cookie.  In
+addition to address validation information, a server that uses encryption also
+needs to be able recover the hash of the ClientHello and its length, plus any
+information it needs in order to reconstruct the HelloRetryRequest.
+
+A client proceeds as though the server were stateful.  It constructs a second
+ClientHello and sends it following the initial ClientHello.  Note that this
+means a server that doesn't maintain state between the intial and second
+ClientHello will receive the second ClientHello in STREAM frames with a non-zero
+offset.  The resulting gap in the received stream data needs to be ignored and

I'm trying to understand how this would work at the server and it's not clear to me. So, when the server receives a packet that basically has one stream frame with stream ID 1 and offset 1050, what should it do? Should it deliver it up to TLS, or should it buffer? Since this retry logic is only known to the TLS part, how is QUIC to determine that this is a retry and not just a reordered packet?

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----==_mimepart_5907e45079e2e_5fa83ff41518dc309448d-- From nobody Mon May 1 18:49:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60819129B1D for ; Mon, 1 May 2017 18:49:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.122 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.122 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y0Ff7FZMXOA4 for ; Mon, 1 May 2017 18:49:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1CD7127775 for ; Mon, 1 May 2017 18:47:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=L+0HRreXL+mzphvSN5LjMvwVjYA=; b=Tt4JMqxpXmKNRWqz EIbSni3xD6mADxjIpHAIeIVP5+3fZDC4QlSh726Y+iCCjjb0hcHisU+ytOdQ+LcU DRb0Z1uE1AdlPmPJ8nGFSl6HkfmEQx+ra/XoJVoonpbn9tQtOLQ+LoXZY+rV5D2N HIdH5dnNoWFyA6g99ZYU7A1suMo= Received: by filter0952p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0952p1mdw1-18406-5907E527-51 2017-05-02 01:47:19.30592417 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id nOwao53YR2GP8J0e0w8mLw for ; Tue, 02 May 2017 01:47:19.293 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 01 May 2017 18:47:19 -0700 From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] New connection ID message (#232) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5907e52732550_5adb3fed23725c2c2161f8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak00Ta/MegtMZsg5lCBHQQyM22PfMNK+YUndts HF0HUxpK3NVKSd/JV+wqgOJiir2V73UGYM0dUb98fdh90tLq1+e+XdIzH5cjwVnQZ7KhgfDPqXOEOq 23AARCLXd6SmhodCbCJ8S8OdIY/uDSXsXROH6Dy7pf89pOwSF8+rXnLbtr3IIuUFWQemjlHmax0SIS M= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 01:49:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5907e52732550_5adb3fed23725c2c2161f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hm, good point. If we're in agreement we have something for now, I suggest then that we wait to see where the Public Reset conversation lands. Let's not write this up only to go back and revert shortly after. On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Martin Thomson wrote: > You know, I could write this up, but it would be incomplete. The third > item here is the public reset verifier, which needs to be updated for eve= ry > new connection. > > Of course, if we decide that the verifier has to be in the clear, then we > have to create a completely new design. > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you commented. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/232#issuecomment-298477493= ----==_mimepart_5907e52732550_5adb3fed23725c2c2161f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hm, good point. If we're in agreement we have something for now, I sugg= est
then that we wait to see where the Public Reset conversation lands. Let'= ;s
not write this up only to go back and revert shortly after.

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The alternative is to write up a public reset design that we know is b= ad (even mark it as such). Then we can write this up and continue to mak= e forward progress. Stalling on hard issues that don't have consensus ca= n create a log jam.

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Compare: "The initial packet MUST fit within 1232 octets." with "The ini= tial packets MUST fit within 1232 octets if carried in IPv6 and 1252 octets= if carried in IPv4." The former is much easier, especially with the comme= nt about happy eyeballs.

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and we can discuss this point there as well. Once we have them both
resolved, we write them both up.

But I don't have a strong opinion here and I'm fine with either.<= br>
(FWIW, we have a bad PR design -- send it in plaintext with no crypto.)
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> The alternative is to write up a public reset design that we know is= bad
> (even mark it as such). Then we can write this up and continue to ma= ke
> forward progress. Stalling on hard issues that don't have consen= sus can
> create a log jam.
>
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That's a fair point. I will write this up without a verifier update and patch that in when we resolve on a public reset design.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+A server can use the cookie extension to store all state necessary to continue
+the connection.  This allows a server to avoid committing state for clients that
+have unvalidated source addresses.
+
+For instance, a server could use a statically-configured key to encrypt the
+information that it requires and include that information in the cookie.  In
+addition to address validation information, a server that uses encryption also
+needs to be able recover the hash of the ClientHello and its length, plus any
+information it needs in order to reconstruct the HelloRetryRequest.
+
+A client proceeds as though the server were stateful.  It constructs a second
+ClientHello and sends it following the initial ClientHello.  Note that this
+means a server that doesn't maintain state between the intial and second
+ClientHello will receive the second ClientHello in STREAM frames with a non-zero
+offset.  The resulting gap in the received stream data needs to be ignored and

Yes, deliver it to TLS. When TLS asks whether the address validation is correct, it will provide the address validation token. That token should include the length of the original ClientHello. If TLS doesn't provide a token, or the length doesn't match, then it's bad and you can abort at that point.

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We still have a 1-RTT handshake for initial connections (return connections are also highly likely not to need happy eyeballs).

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Tue, 02 May 2017 04:53:03 -0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 01 May 2017 21:53:03 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <590810af5774c_b513f8c25641c344717@hookshot-fe1-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] eddce4: Add a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_590810af57378_b513f8c25641c34470fa"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 04:55:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590810af57378_b513f8c25641c34470fa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/new_conn_id Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: eddce429fd0b7f37717815176a9d0a5136b6fea4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/eddce429fd0b7f37717815176a9d0a5136b6fea4 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-02 (Tue, 02 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame This frame is used by servers to support client unlinkability across network migrations. This assumes that the client is aware of the need for unlinkability. I haven't gone into a lot of detail on rationale, why this might be needed and the like. That stuff does need expansion, but we don't have a lot of agreement on the finer details. 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This assumes that the client is aware of the need for unlinkability. I haven't gone into a lot of detail on rationale, why this might be needed and the like. That stuff does need expansion, but we don't have a lot of agreement on the finer details. For the moment having the basic mechanism in place will allow us to make progress. Closes #232. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/491 -- Commit Summary -- * Add a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (131) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/491.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/491.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/491 ----==_mimepart_59081187a250_4b9a3ff1d8de1c3c82231 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This frame is used by servers to support client unlinkability across network
migrations.

This assumes that the client is aware of the need for unlinkability. I haven't
gone into a lot of detail on rationale, why this might be needed and the like.
That stuff does need expansion, but we don't have a lot of agreement on the
finer details. For the moment having the basic mechanism in place will allow
us to make progress.

Closes #232.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/491

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  • Add a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame

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Fair points - just please consider it as an option if it gets too complicated to formulate a handshake in the current form - there are probably many exceptions to made if stateless streams are to be supported.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+A server can use the cookie extension to store all state necessary to continue
+the connection.  This allows a server to avoid committing state for clients that
+have unvalidated source addresses.
+
+For instance, a server could use a statically-configured key to encrypt the
+information that it requires and include that information in the cookie.  In
+addition to address validation information, a server that uses encryption also
+needs to be able recover the hash of the ClientHello and its length, plus any
+information it needs in order to reconstruct the HelloRetryRequest.
+
+A client proceeds as though the server were stateful.  It constructs a second
+ClientHello and sends it following the initial ClientHello.  Note that this
+means a server that doesn't maintain state between the intial and second
+ClientHello will receive the second ClientHello in STREAM frames with a non-zero
+offset.  The resulting gap in the received stream data needs to be ignored and

What about the packet number on the SHLO ?
>From what i gathered, the one on the retryRequest was randomly generated. If we generate one randomly again then the client will most likely have issues.

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@abraud commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+A server can use the cookie extension to store all state necessary to continue
+the connection.  This allows a server to avoid committing state for clients that
+have unvalidated source addresses.
+
+For instance, a server could use a statically-configured key to encrypt the
+information that it requires and include that information in the cookie.  In
+addition to address validation information, a server that uses encryption also
+needs to be able recover the hash of the ClientHello and its length, plus any
+information it needs in order to reconstruct the HelloRetryRequest.
+
+A client proceeds as though the server were stateful.  It constructs a second
+ClientHello and sends it following the initial ClientHello.  Note that this
+means a server that doesn't maintain state between the intial and second
+ClientHello will receive the second ClientHello in STREAM frames with a non-zero
+offset.  The resulting gap in the received stream data needs to be ignored and

What about the packet number on the SHLO ?
>From what i gathered, the one on the retryRequest was randomly generated. If we generate one randomly again then the client will most likely have issues.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+A server can use the cookie extension to store all state necessary to continue
+the connection.  This allows a server to avoid committing state for clients that
+have unvalidated source addresses.
+
+For instance, a server could use a statically-configured key to encrypt the
+information that it requires and include that information in the cookie.  In
+addition to address validation information, a server that uses encryption also
+needs to be able recover the hash of the ClientHello and its length, plus any
+information it needs in order to reconstruct the HelloRetryRequest.
+
+A client proceeds as though the server were stateful.  It constructs a second
+ClientHello and sends it following the initial ClientHello.  Note that this
+means a server that doesn't maintain state between the intial and second
+ClientHello will receive the second ClientHello in STREAM frames with a non-zero
+offset.  The resulting gap in the received stream data needs to be ignored and

And what are the rules for dealing with other streams and retransmittable frames such as ping in the initial packet?

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@RyanAtGoogle commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+A server can use the cookie extension to store all state necessary to continue
+the connection.  This allows a server to avoid committing state for clients that
+have unvalidated source addresses.
+
+For instance, a server could use a statically-configured key to encrypt the
+information that it requires and include that information in the cookie.  In
+addition to address validation information, a server that uses encryption also
+needs to be able recover the hash of the ClientHello and its length, plus any
+information it needs in order to reconstruct the HelloRetryRequest.
+
+A client proceeds as though the server were stateful.  It constructs a second
+ClientHello and sends it following the initial ClientHello.  Note that this
+means a server that doesn't maintain state between the intial and second
+ClientHello will receive the second ClientHello in STREAM frames with a non-zero
+offset.  The resulting gap in the received stream data needs to be ignored and

I can understand how this could be made to work, but I worry a bit about the state of the crypto stream being different between the two endpoints. The client believes it has send 2 ClientHellos as bytes [0,N] on stream 0. If the server is required to process pre-handshake stream frames even with non-0 offsets, then it seems like it might be possible for an active attacker to rewrite the second ClientHello to start at, say, offset 2N. This would mean that any post-handshake messages from the client to the server would be ignored as duplicates.

I presume the solution to this is for the server to include in the data it sends to the client (and the client sends back to the server) the byte offset that the follow-up ClientHello is expected to start at, and to validate that when it process the follow-up ClientHello.

Does that sound right?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1671,11 +1669,13 @@ Maximum Data:
   connection-level data limit is determined by multiplying the encoded value by
   1024.
 
-The sum of the largest received offsets on all streams - including closed
-streams - MUST NOT exceed the value advertised by a receiver.  An endpoint MUST
-terminate a connection with a QUIC_FLOW_CONTROL_RECEIVED_TOO_MUCH_DATA error if
-it receives more data than the maximum data value that it has sent, unless this
-is a result of a change in the initial limits (see {{zerortt-parameters}}).
+All data sent in STREAM frames counts toward this limit, with the exception of
+STREAM frames on stream 0.  The sum of the largest received offsets on all

nit: data on stream 0

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5909083cbc987_6c733fc12118bc406092f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 22:31:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5909083cbc987_6c733fc12118bc406092f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/request_rst Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: fac7f9d91f781602d8425ccd1fa6aa521f78243a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fac7f9d91f781602d8425ccd1fa6aa521f78243a Author: ianswett Date: 2017-04-13 (Thu, 13 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reduce the number of offset lengths in a stream frame (#430) * Reduce the number of offset lengths in a stream frame * Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Commit: cdbfb64a6e93361d3d0cdb709578dc231e138f2f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cdbfb64a6e93361d3d0cdb709578dc231e138f2f Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Additional security section on fragmentation reassembly attacks Describe the equivalent of the Teardrop attack for QUIC, and propose mitigation. Commit: c4cad2fcbcf1cd8dbd95bbb45485e4cae18748e9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c4cad2fcbcf1cd8dbd95bbb45485e4cae18748e9 Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Adding a description of stream commitment attacks in security section See discussion of issue #435: Stream ID sequential order may create head of queue blocking. Commit: 12dd1f54f9f043c8700991d8d61ef24ac4ba8a02 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/12dd1f54f9f043c8700991d8d61ef24ac4ba8a02 Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Commit: dade254760334723363773208743522fd1ab813d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dade254760334723363773208743522fd1ab813d Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Commit: 464a222e9dda89d2b06d7e46be3fcea980c9bc3b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/464a222e9dda89d2b06d7e46be3fcea980c9bc3b Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Splitting long lines so the verification does not complains so much. 80 char limit. Seriously? Commit: ddefb663dbeb16701bcf6181ae5176a5b52bf1ad https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ddefb663dbeb16701bcf6181ae5176a5b52bf1ad Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Log Message: ----------- Removing a trailing white space. Because that's what the check in control says. draft-ietf-quic-transport.md contains trailing whitespace make: *** [latest] Error 1 Whatever... Commit: 105e26eb0563364010052ad46a62418ecbf8c9c3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/105e26eb0563364010052ad46a62418ecbf8c9c3 Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove the trailing white space??? Some of my input lines ended with a space. Apparently, that's enough to spook the verifier. Weird. Commit: 6a0337c7771fd8787dc42dc58d6adb151f00cc24 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6a0337c7771fd8787dc42dc58d6adb151f00cc24 Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Removing trailing spaces on some of changed lines I have lots of emotional things to say about such checks... Commit: c2ac3d62a72e7501230327439d8bc345b5392fe2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c2ac3d62a72e7501230327439d8bc345b5392fe2 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-04-20 (Thu, 20 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add LIMIT_UPDATE and replaces concurrent stream limit Commit: 8d47948a3f51e83c546126da2e210c5b6915df70 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8d47948a3f51e83c546126da2e210c5b6915df70 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-04-20 (Thu, 20 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Not much overhead Commit: 32eff56022a21b2e16af8581b76e4cd6e0cb1a0d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/32eff56022a21b2e16af8581b76e4cd6e0cb1a0d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-20 (Thu, 20 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Define handling for initial_stream_limit of 0 Commit: ed30459e07c9baaa8785eee6cd07f04db6c2e575 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ed30459e07c9baaa8785eee6cd07f04db6c2e575 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-20 (Thu, 20 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove text about too many open streams. Having too few streams is a transient condition. The only reason that we prohibit an initial stream limit of 0 is that you have to have one stream in order to send anything. (That goes away if we remove the special nature of stream 0 for WINDOW_UPDATE.) Commit: 693758bd94e549cd4895de8b511fca9a843a0d85 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/693758bd94e549cd4895de8b511fca9a843a0d85 Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Shortening the text, per Martin Thomson's review Commit: a169a171d79ae43ded2b4a237b6996938b59ac13 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a169a171d79ae43ded2b4a237b6996938b59ac13 Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Trailing white spaces. This check is heinous. Commit: d2444849b79176f61c79771c66677bec28108d95 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d2444849b79176f61c79771c66677bec28108d95 Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Simplifying the text, per Martin's review Commit: f70b1fc1a8d091fb166b4d6b5db2f469417d900d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f70b1fc1a8d091fb166b4d6b5db2f469417d900d Author: Shigeki Ohtsu Date: 2017-04-20 (Thu, 20 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Fix markdown of code block Commit: 84987e4770803e2d927872a0589496fec57c883b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/84987e4770803e2d927872a0589496fec57c883b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-20 (Thu, 20 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Split WINDOW_UPDATE into MAX_DATA and MAX_STREAM_DATA This also changes the name of the LIMIT_UPDATE frame to MAX_STREAM_ID to match. A lot of the text talked about stream offsets and had flow control affect maximum stream offsets. This turned out to be unnecessarily obtuse. The text in this changeset simply says that there is a limit to the amount of data that can be sent. This turns out to be a lot of changes, but I think that it is easier to understand as a result. Closes #443. Commit: 48f580ccbc19fa900c43e37eb065c20999abb2f0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/48f580ccbc19fa900c43e37eb065c20999abb2f0 Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Commit: cb0bd794d2d75f3190a74a60abf392cd3d93db2f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cb0bd794d2d75f3190a74a60abf392cd3d93db2f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-20 (Thu, 20 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #449 from shigeki/fix_codeblock Fix markdown of code block Commit: eba4f043d8d55c86fe6db9d0e2e0c22ed66c44c2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/eba4f043d8d55c86fe6db9d0e2e0c22ed66c44c2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-20 (Thu, 20 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- The hazards of renaming things automatically Commit: b82595442be00263498f4edc464fb4f30adfdc01 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b82595442be00263498f4edc464fb4f30adfdc01 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-20 (Thu, 20 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix IANA table Commit: dec12c295c05a6e180f5d494c2f42b1665f0cba5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dec12c295c05a6e180f5d494c2f42b1665f0cba5 Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- fixing the slowloris reference. Commit: bfd754a4883ad53a9edd2688f080fdc3ca245050 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bfd754a4883ad53a9edd2688f080fdc3ca245050 Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Strengthen the SHOULD mitigate text Also, fix the line>80 characters, so we can easily transfer the MD file to punch cards. Commit: f725b84c8cd3d989ae28c8bd8a1d3ccfc44cf834 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f725b84c8cd3d989ae28c8bd8a1d3ccfc44cf834 Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- More punch cards. Commit: dbdcad821c05f728db4ea434dd0e3d261ed2cb5b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dbdcad821c05f728db4ea434dd0e3d261ed2cb5b Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-19 (Wed, 19 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- I thought I was done with punch cards 40 years ago. 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The point is to draw attention to the problem, and trust developers to do the right thing. Commit: 040a5fef588e409c2a8a22088768fdfbf443bc81 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/040a5fef588e409c2a8a22088768fdfbf443bc81 Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-20 (Thu, 20 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- And fixing a typo. Commit: a168b3bd50a08fe0a984abc960452e90950ec19b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a168b3bd50a08fe0a984abc960452e90950ec19b Author: huitema Date: 2017-04-20 (Thu, 20 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- STREAM frames. 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Short summary: - Remove a bunch of the "can be used" language because we are specifying how to use it. - Update the 2119 language. - Clean up the description of key derivation, also shorten it. - Misc other stuff. 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It also corrects the omission whereby RST_STREAM didn't have any defined semantics from the idle state. Closes #458. 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One of the generic ones will do. Closes #290 Commit: dd4134f84e65133adf7b34ade9cd38ad339234ce https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dd4134f84e65133adf7b34ade9cd38ad339234ce Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-27 (Thu, 27 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove default idle timeout mention Closes #326 Commit: 1e8d5dab076371e0e3672320f97494b824139b1a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1e8d5dab076371e0e3672320f97494b824139b1a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-28 (Fri, 28 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Add a description of the FNV-1a algorithm I've added this in the TLS document, even though this would have been easier to add to the transport document in some ways. The current plan (if we ever clear our backlog) is to move the details of the packet protection and key schedule to the transport. If that ever happens, it will be easy enough to move this new text at the same time as the packet protection. Two choices that I made here: 1. all packets are protected, including Public Reset - this means that the packet construction code can have very simple logic for determining whether to add an integrity check, namely is there an AEAD?; the cost being that public reset is a little bigger 2. the integrity check mechanism can change in a new version - this avoids expanding the list of things that we promise that won't change between versions; the cost being one extra trivial check on receiving an unprotected packet Commit: 838af6631c491d8d5727ab03723e9e508b8ecbdf https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/838af6631c491d8d5727ab03723e9e508b8ecbdf Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-28 (Fri, 28 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #459 from quicwg/make_reset_sensible Change RST_STREAM impact on state Commit: 144ef04c182a29eecbbd0f74348ee4fe6affc10e 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This assumes that the client is aware of the need for unlinkability. I haven't gone into a lot of detail on rationale, why this might be needed and the like. That stuff does need expansion, but we don't have a lot of agreement on the finer details. 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Servers MUST use the same port +across all IP addresses that serve a single domain, and SHOULD NOT change this +port. Servers SHOULD choose this port at random when first enabling HTTP/QUIC Discussion from the editors: It's perfectly reasonable to point out that hq *can* be on any port and that's supported. The "SHOULD randomize" gets into the middlebox debate and really should become a separate issue if we're going to recommend it. (And it could legitimately become a best practice whether the spec recommends it or not.) If you back this piece out (or I can do it), I think the rest is fine to merge. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/424#pullrequestreview-35911135 ----==_mimepart_59090e585522b_7d93fa0b1df5c3c1409b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -105,6 +105,11 @@ Connectivity problems (e.g. firewall blocking UDP) can result in QUIC connection
 establishment failure, in which case the client SHOULD continue using the
 existing connection or try another alternative endpoint offered by the origin.
 
+Servers MAY serve HTTP/QUIC on any UDP port.  Servers MUST use the same port
+across all IP addresses that serve a single domain, and SHOULD NOT change this
+port. Servers SHOULD choose this port at random when first enabling HTTP/QUIC

Discussion from the editors: It's perfectly reasonable to point out that hq can be on any port and that's supported. The "SHOULD randomize" gets into the middlebox debate and really should become a separate issue if we're going to recommend it. (And it could legitimately become a best practice whether the spec recommends it or not.)

If you back this piece out (or I can do it), I think the rest is fine to merge.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -105,6 +105,11 @@ Connectivity problems (e.g. firewall blocking UDP) can result in QUIC connection
 establishment failure, in which case the client SHOULD continue using the
 existing connection or try another alternative endpoint offered by the origin.
 
+Servers MAY serve HTTP/QUIC on any UDP port.  Servers MUST use the same port
+across all IP addresses that serve a single domain, and SHOULD NOT change this
+port. Servers SHOULD choose this port at random when first enabling HTTP/QUIC

Should I just remove it, or switch to MAY?

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This allows a server to avoid committing state for clients that +have unvalidated source addresses. + +For instance, a server could use a statically-configured key to encrypt the +information that it requires and include that information in the cookie. In +addition to address validation information, a server that uses encryption also +needs to be able recover the hash of the ClientHello and its length, plus any +information it needs in order to reconstruct the HelloRetryRequest. + +A client proceeds as though the server were stateful. It constructs a second +ClientHello and sends it following the initial ClientHello. Note that this +means a server that doesn't maintain state between the intial and second +ClientHello will receive the second ClientHello in STREAM frames with a non-zero +offset. The resulting gap in the received stream data needs to be ignored and @abraud is correct. What makes this hard is that the server might have generated multiple HelloRetryRequest packets, each with their own randomized packet number. That's a real issue because it means that it can't save that value without changing the HelloRetryRequest. Then the client will receive two conflicting bits of stream data. That's bad because we allow endpoints to reject connections if that happens. Separately, @janaiyengar suggests that we treat a stateless reject as a clean break. I will see if I can use that; it will need a lot more text :( @mikkelfj, you can't send anything other than a STREAM frame. @RyanAtGoogle, you got it right. The server saves the offset, then pretends that it received those missing bytes once it has validated the token. If we take @janaiyengar's suggestion though, that's won't be necessary. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+A server can use the cookie extension to store all state necessary to continue
+the connection.  This allows a server to avoid committing state for clients that
+have unvalidated source addresses.
+
+For instance, a server could use a statically-configured key to encrypt the
+information that it requires and include that information in the cookie.  In
+addition to address validation information, a server that uses encryption also
+needs to be able recover the hash of the ClientHello and its length, plus any
+information it needs in order to reconstruct the HelloRetryRequest.
+
+A client proceeds as though the server were stateful.  It constructs a second
+ClientHello and sends it following the initial ClientHello.  Note that this
+means a server that doesn't maintain state between the intial and second
+ClientHello will receive the second ClientHello in STREAM frames with a non-zero
+offset.  The resulting gap in the received stream data needs to be ignored and

@abraud is correct. What makes this hard is that the server might have generated multiple HelloRetryRequest packets, each with their own randomized packet number. That's a real issue because it means that it can't save that value without changing the HelloRetryRequest. Then the client will receive two conflicting bits of stream data. That's bad because we allow endpoints to reject connections if that happens. Separately, @janaiyengar suggests that we treat a stateless reject as a clean break. I will see if I can use that; it will need a lot more text :(

@mikkelfj, you can't send anything other than a STREAM frame.

@RyanAtGoogle, you got it right. The server saves the offset, then pretends that it received those missing bytes once it has validated the token. If we take @janaiyengar's suggestion though, that's won't be necessary.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -105,6 +105,11 @@ Connectivity problems (e.g. firewall blocking UDP) can result in QUIC connection
 establishment failure, in which case the client SHOULD continue using the
 existing connection or try another alternative endpoint offered by the origin.
 
+Servers MAY serve HTTP/QUIC on any UDP port.  Servers MUST use the same port
+across all IP addresses that serve a single domain, and SHOULD NOT change this
+port. Servers SHOULD choose this port at random when first enabling HTTP/QUIC

I'd just remove it -- if it's just a MAY, then it's duplicative of "MAY serve ... on any UDP port."

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one nit

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1347,7 +1347,7 @@ Data Length:
 
 Stream ID:
 
-: A variable-sized unsigned ID unique to this stream.
+: The stream ID of the stream.

Add a reference to #stream-identifiers.

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Why not? If your client's local network changes, you'd want to do happy = eyeballs again since you don't know if v6 is supported. But you'd still wan= t to do 0-RTT since the server's the same. My point however was to say that= happy eyeballs is not trivial, and needs its own discussion. CH size is th= e easiest of the issues to address in that discussion.

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Clients MUST ensure that the first packet in a connection, and any -retransmissions of those octets, has a total size (including IP and UDP headers) -of at least 1280 bytes. This might require inclusion of PADDING frames. It is -RECOMMENDED that a packet be padded to exactly 1280 octets unless the client has -a reasonable assurance that the PMTU is larger. Sending a packet of this size -ensures that the network path supports an MTU of this size and helps mitigate -amplification attacks caused by server responses toward an unverified client -address. - -Servers MUST reject the first plaintext packet received from a client if it its -total size is less than 1280 octets, to mitigate amplification attacks. +retransmissions of those octets, has a payload of least 1232 octets for an IPv6 +datagram and 1252 octets for an IPv4 datagram. In the absence of extensions to +the IP header, padding to exactly these values will result in a packet that is +1280 octets. "packet" --> "UDP datagram" > @@ -1952,16 +1952,19 @@ An endpoint MUST NOT reduce their MTU below this number, even if it receives signals that indicate a smaller limit might exist. Clients MUST ensure that the first packet in a connection, and any -retransmissions of those octets, has a total size (including IP and UDP headers) -of at least 1280 bytes. This might require inclusion of PADDING frames. It is -RECOMMENDED that a packet be padded to exactly 1280 octets unless the client has -a reasonable assurance that the PMTU is larger. Sending a packet of this size -ensures that the network path supports an MTU of this size and helps mitigate -amplification attacks caused by server responses toward an unverified client -address. - -Servers MUST reject the first plaintext packet received from a client if it its -total size is less than 1280 octets, to mitigate amplification attacks. +retransmissions of those octets, has a payload of least 1232 octets for an IPv6 +datagram and 1252 octets for an IPv4 datagram. In the absence of extensions to use of "payload" is confusing. Suggest changing to "QUIC packet size" or "UDP payload" -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/472#pullrequestreview-35920851 ----==_mimepart_5909219cd184f_405f3f993ee11c2c709a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1952,16 +1952,19 @@ An endpoint MUST NOT reduce their MTU below this number, even if it receives
 signals that indicate a smaller limit might exist.
 
 Clients MUST ensure that the first packet in a connection, and any
-retransmissions of those octets, has a total size (including IP and UDP headers)
-of at least 1280 bytes. This might require inclusion of PADDING frames. It is
-RECOMMENDED that a packet be padded to exactly 1280 octets unless the client has
-a reasonable assurance that the PMTU is larger. Sending a packet of this size
-ensures that the network path supports an MTU of this size and helps mitigate
-amplification attacks caused by server responses toward an unverified client
-address.
-
-Servers MUST reject the first plaintext packet received from a client if it its
-total size is less than 1280 octets, to mitigate amplification attacks.
+retransmissions of those octets, has a payload of least 1232 octets for an IPv6
+datagram and 1252 octets for an IPv4 datagram.  In the absence of extensions to
+the IP header, padding to exactly these values will result in a packet that is
+1280 octets.

"packet" --> "UDP datagram"

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1952,16 +1952,19 @@ An endpoint MUST NOT reduce their MTU below this number, even if it receives
 signals that indicate a smaller limit might exist.
 
 Clients MUST ensure that the first packet in a connection, and any
-retransmissions of those octets, has a total size (including IP and UDP headers)
-of at least 1280 bytes. This might require inclusion of PADDING frames. It is
-RECOMMENDED that a packet be padded to exactly 1280 octets unless the client has
-a reasonable assurance that the PMTU is larger. Sending a packet of this size
-ensures that the network path supports an MTU of this size and helps mitigate
-amplification attacks caused by server responses toward an unverified client
-address.
-
-Servers MUST reject the first plaintext packet received from a client if it its
-total size is less than 1280 octets, to mitigate amplification attacks.
+retransmissions of those octets, has a payload of least 1232 octets for an IPv6
+datagram and 1252 octets for an IPv4 datagram.  In the absence of extensions to

use of "payload" is confusing. Suggest changing to "QUIC packet size" or "UDP payload"

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -843,8 +848,13 @@ which is not a Version Negotiation packet.
 
 A client MUST NOT change the version it uses unless it is in response to a
 Version Negotiation packet from the server.  Once a client receives a packet
-from the server which is not a Version Negotiation packet, it MUST ignore
-Version Negotiation packets on the same connection.
+from the server which is not a Version Negotiation packet, it MUST ignore other
+Version Negotiation packets on the same connection.  Similarly, a client MUST
+ignore a Version Negotiation packet if it has already received and acted on a
+Version Negotiation packet.
+
+A client MUST ignore a Version Negotiation packet if it lists the version it has
+chosen.

This is difficult to parse. How about "A client MUST ignore a Version Negotiation packet that lists the client's chosen version."

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----==_mimepart_5909284c3b452_c2e3f8722c37c2c1274e9-- From nobody Tue May 2 17:52:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1BF912EAEC for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 17:52:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ed6ak_TbPblg for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 17:52:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51B3412EB11 for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 17:49:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=0XUCFiEWBrU/i5aaiv+5lUxM7k0=; b=jJcaa7LQwcVmmt82 y0w//Vt9EM6Ukh2squAqntAfUNKNcSQfiA4wExH5baanrwzeVVmGQZkX8Y+6TYqZ viOhtgoaM3vMa4dg9QQFiOm4Aorh5l/pSVddJIYMtfip/wrwv0TR+ybeGCr30Zkt eDDpdhYNZZr4cHE1t4P82Ucy+AU= Received: by filter0590p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0590p1mdw1-28163-59092914-25 2017-05-03 00:49:24.442187449 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id HEluuXb_RgKB4XggrpK6WA for ; Wed, 03 May 2017 00:49:24.400 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 17:49:24 -0700 From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] MAX_DATA/MAX_STREAM_DATA will also solicit an ACK (#478) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590929144d7fc_21863fb808c3dc3c708b7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2H/iSQW2wqz4WLInzSNZk8Ment8yRnpYqW9K nMFJJiru+AFJiJJtHQPiLQjWqD9O5TRxvJy2UWXBwwDMyBoarhvYtVvBGQE4sakCYzrApoGRJyVFhn WnN/Q3Tj4GCNdPLOG88PHonG7r88xcn/raAwzmICQYOXQY8yHlhG/XhEDixXauhuZJyzz/N7wu7UFN U= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 00:52:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590929144d7fc_21863fb808c3dc3c708b7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar approved this pull request. One nit, but LGTM > @@ -1387,9 +1387,13 @@ packets. To limit ACK blocks to those that have not yet been received by the sender, the receiver SHOULD track which ACK frames have been acknowledged by its peer. Once an ACK frame has been acknowledged, the packets it acknowledges SHOULD not be -acknowledged again. To handle cases where the receiver is only sending ACK -frames, and hence will not receive acknowledgments for its packets, it MAY send -a PING frame at most once per RTT to explicitly request acknowledgment. +acknowledged again. + +A receiver that is only sending ACK frames will not receive acknowledgments for +its packets. Sending an occasional MAX_DATA or MAX_STREAM_DATA frame as data is +received will ensure that acknowledgements are generated by a peer. Otherwise, +an endpoint MAY send a PING frame at most once per RTT to solicit This is in the old text, but it's odd to have "MAY send .. at most once per RTT." I'd suggest removing the "at most" and changing this to "MAY send ... once per RTT." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/478#pullrequestreview-35924811 ----==_mimepart_590929144d7fc_21863fb808c3dc3c708b7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

One nit, but LGTM

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1387,9 +1387,13 @@ packets.
 To limit ACK blocks to those that have not yet been received by the sender, the
 receiver SHOULD track which ACK frames have been acknowledged by its peer.  Once
 an ACK frame has been acknowledged, the packets it acknowledges SHOULD not be
-acknowledged again.  To handle cases where the receiver is only sending ACK
-frames, and hence will not receive acknowledgments for its packets, it MAY send
-a PING frame at most once per RTT to explicitly request acknowledgment.
+acknowledged again.
+
+A receiver that is only sending ACK frames will not receive acknowledgments for
+its packets.  Sending an occasional MAX_DATA or MAX_STREAM_DATA frame as data is
+received will ensure that acknowledgements are generated by a peer.  Otherwise,
+an endpoint MAY send a PING frame at most once per RTT to solicit

This is in the old text, but it's odd to have "MAY send .. at most once per RTT." I'd suggest removing the "at most" and changing this to "MAY send ... once per RTT."

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Reordering might cause frames to be received after closing, see {{state-hc-remote}}. - I like to keep a couple of blank lines before section headings. > ### half-closed (local) A stream that is in the "half-closed (local)" state MUST NOT be used for sending -STREAM frames; WINDOW_UPDATE, RST_STREAM, and DISINTEREST MAY be sent in this -state. - -A stream transitions from this state to "closed" when a STREAM frame that -contains a FIN flag is received and all prior data has arrived, or when a -RST_STREAM frame is received. +on new STREAM frames. Retransmission of data that has already been sent on +STREAM frames is permitted. An endpoint MAY also send MAX_STREAM_DATA and +RST_STREAM in this state. You need to add DISINTEREST here. > +An endpoint may use a DISINTEREST frame (type=0x08) to communicate that incoming +data is being discarded on receipt at application request. This signals a peer +to abruptly terminate transmission on a stream. The frame is as follows: + +~~~ + 0 1 2 3 + 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Stream ID (32) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +~~~ + +The fields are: + +* Error code: A 32-bit error code which indicates why the data is being + discarded. @MikeBishop, you missed the error code. Do we even need an error code? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/171#pullrequestreview-35925650 ----==_mimepart_59092c30a3697_4f383fcde4545c3023964 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2271,7 +2282,6 @@ Once a stream reaches this state, no frames can be sent that mention the stream.
 Reordering might cause frames to be received after closing, see
 {{state-hc-remote}}.
 
-

I like to keep a couple of blank lines before section headings.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 ### half-closed (local)
 
 A stream that is in the "half-closed (local)" state MUST NOT be used for sending
-STREAM frames; WINDOW_UPDATE, RST_STREAM, and DISINTEREST MAY be sent in this
-state.
-
-A stream transitions from this state to "closed" when a STREAM frame that
-contains a FIN flag is received and all prior data has arrived, or when a
-RST_STREAM frame is received.
+on new STREAM frames.  Retransmission of data that has already been sent on
+STREAM frames is permitted.  An endpoint MAY also send MAX_STREAM_DATA and
+RST_STREAM in this state.

You need to add DISINTEREST here.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +An endpoint may use a DISINTEREST frame (type=0x08) to communicate that incoming
+data is being discarded on receipt at application request.  This signals a peer
+to abruptly terminate transmission on a stream.  The frame is as follows:
+
+~~~
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                        Stream ID (32)                         |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~
+
+The fields are:
+
+* Error code: A 32-bit error code which indicates why the data is being
+  discarded.

@MikeBishop, you missed the error code. Do we even need an error code?

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1952,16 +1952,19 @@ An endpoint MUST NOT reduce their MTU below this number, even if it receives
 signals that indicate a smaller limit might exist.
 
 Clients MUST ensure that the first packet in a connection, and any
-retransmissions of those octets, has a total size (including IP and UDP headers)
-of at least 1280 bytes. This might require inclusion of PADDING frames. It is
-RECOMMENDED that a packet be padded to exactly 1280 octets unless the client has
-a reasonable assurance that the PMTU is larger. Sending a packet of this size
-ensures that the network path supports an MTU of this size and helps mitigate
-amplification attacks caused by server responses toward an unverified client
-address.
-
-Servers MUST reject the first plaintext packet received from a client if it its
-total size is less than 1280 octets, to mitigate amplification attacks.
+retransmissions of those octets, has a payload of least 1232 octets for an IPv6
+datagram and 1252 octets for an IPv4 datagram.  In the absence of extensions to
+the IP header, padding to exactly these values will result in a packet that is
+1280 octets.

I'll use "IP packet", since UDP implies that it doesn't include the IP header and MTU calculations generally talk about IP packet sizes.

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I don't really care about the simplification, I just keep trying to find ways to simplify. Anything that reduces cognitive load.

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Merged #484.

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Wed, 03 May 2017 01:16:31 -0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 18:16:31 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <59092f6f9c4b_4d383fb77425fc40107858@hookshot-fe3-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 611722: Various version negotiation fixes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59092f6f9889_4d383fb77425fc401077da"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 01:18:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59092f6f9889_4d383fb77425fc401077da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 6117221d3335d8d35b07246992594009876eb7c3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6117221d3335d8d35b07246992594009876eb7c3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-27 (Thu, 27 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Various version negotiation fixes 1. Version negotiation is stateless (this was implied but not made explicit) 2. Client ignores version negotiation packets if it has already done version negotiation. 3. Client ignores version negotaition packets if they list the version it is using. Closes #284, #294, #241. Commit: a28e803a40d1bebb54f5b21e085b10699925262a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a28e803a40d1bebb54f5b21e085b10699925262a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reword text on ignoring own version Commit: ca81361f7ce643032def5dc78687630ff1aaa989 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ca81361f7ce643032def5dc78687630ff1aaa989 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #474 from quicwg/verneg_fixes Various version negotiation fixes Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/f659932dc3cd...ca81361f7ce6 ----==_mimepart_59092f6f9889_4d383fb77425fc401077da-- From nobody Tue May 2 18:18:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060A5129B05 for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 18:18:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yGXA2NronMi7 for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 18:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 631FB12EAD5 for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 18:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 18:16:31 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1493774191; bh=RymseNytcXc9WGNYrXKQZExuDg0gY8y4QA9lwpC4YGQ=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lLm+bD4olQeF4nUVYKuUeUZHpKyDp/GU6YkyVuDNheTseFFKKukO7OK2m5f97vQjC UlnnYJktDdiYIxg3fo5NFJxfCHS9GSf3ZnnRd77obri7QCP2OYUyUUsd4qhgVFqp/N vOzbgiBzL/ctjJUmh/1wGbNr7fa41JX+EhsuqV1E= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Various version negotiation fixes (#474) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59092f6fbf1dd_4e303fca903abc3c931aa"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 01:18:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59092f6fbf1dd_4e303fca903abc3c931aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #474. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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We don't actually describe a transition from idle to half-closed or closed (see discussion about half-closing and unidirectional streams for more on this problem). The text mentions that RST_STREAM on an idle stream is permitted, but doesn't actually define any transitions. I have removed the allowance for RST_STREAM, but I believe that we need that transition. A new issue will be opened. Commit: b96329d37fea076c380b0685108febf0a1b47456 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b96329d37fea076c380b0685108febf0a1b47456 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- MAX_STREAM_DATA might arrive on an idle stream Closes #188 Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/29e553f4b06b...b96329d37fea ----==_mimepart_590930ce71abf_45dd3fd34a565c2c19331-- From nobody Tue May 2 18:25:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1D72127F0E for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 18:24:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.1 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9YoiWSpAh1Ag for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 18:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m69-170.mailgun.net (m69-170.mailgun.net [166.78.69.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95116129C60 for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 18:22:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1493774551; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=lIzGIhgja/2DM1fMxvEsDQnfXJqBDyTxAJKamkDzPtY=; b=QbrNJ1RD32H+ST1QSUJ8jTunUi4j90dr3GdexQo5C19TjyOB3lDI/XnBX4haFWMZkcMRD2t/ ZQuY9PPHCDx38Er4UWCfkfQKoAkq0tacDcUkuTS0h2yUjosH3fmFTcYOrv/qyYOzXv6B5bux u3H1iJWYM2YQcKHrwVdp9XIi4Os= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KyE1w/p7Ev379DAPV1yJ0UBWoPpZAzPipd+VKMr9uxyXStQE8Z2fwiJp+cP3bZTg6Xy+ea rr26N8LqnsiGlj6PDHVY4SYEK5md8s6MhvLymcW/77oeA7zubTJ3O5gTpUpl9Xqinq+oyBC0 CvnFdPfF+XPEqSEJ+fW79Cw7L2Gnk= Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.170 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.40]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 590930d7.7f4cec22fc90-smtp-out-n01; Wed, 03 May 2017 01:22:31 -0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 18:22:31 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <590930d723c33_53fc3fa709773c349077b@hookshot-fe6-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 5562f0: Define the payload size of the initial packet rath... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_590930d72382a_53fc3fa709773c3490610"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 01:25:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590930d72382a_53fc3fa709773c3490610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 5562f0a24df1675b8089c6a6350c8716813b5a12 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5562f0a24df1675b8089c6a6350c8716813b5a12 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Define the payload size of the initial packet rather than the packet size The entity that creates the packet is not always aware of the existence of header extensions. That makes hitting the 1280 octet limit hard. Worse, if they are aware of extensions, they might reduce the size and then encouter a server that enforces the limit. That server will discard the packet. That makes enforcement risky. This change places the limit on the payload. It mandates 1232/1252 for v6/v4. This is the uncomplicated version. The complicated version that I didn't write up allows a client that knows more about overheads to reduce the payload size as long as they keep above some floor value (e.g., 1180). We might consider doing that later if we want to allow QUIC to operate on paths with a much tighter MTU overhead. Evidence suggests that we don't need this. Closes #267 Commit: 62d251486b4bb90f45c59d483f3f562cd8cc3486 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/62d251486b4bb90f45c59d483f3f562cd8cc3486 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Missed a number Commit: 060c71878fca8ce02b9ae1507eb896c099e2e27f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/060c71878fca8ce02b9ae1507eb896c099e2e27f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Add limits to TLS draft Commit: 80ea463166bd2dd63980e6cab57f7b50ac0c1ef9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/80ea463166bd2dd63980e6cab57f7b50ac0c1ef9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Take 2 Commit: 61102f03615365bc543404c559028e75643fbde2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/61102f03615365bc543404c559028e75643fbde2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Could have sworn that there was a UDP extension hack somewhere, probably thinking of ICMP Commit: 12d3f33635dd13d0299a2183965179180a04fd25 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/12d3f33635dd13d0299a2183965179180a04fd25 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- typo Commit: 9b4ac6def6bf0dcfae74b6f660a411baa935c449 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9b4ac6def6bf0dcfae74b6f660a411baa935c449 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Use 'IP packet' more consistently Commit: 62ddd8c223102945ceecb4e90480fed25cea1ff5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/62ddd8c223102945ceecb4e90480fed25cea1ff5 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #472 from quicwg/first_packet_payload_size Define the payload size of the initial packet rather than the total packet size Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/15333404c870...62ddd8c22310 ----==_mimepart_590930d72382a_53fc3fa709773c3490610-- From nobody Tue May 2 18:25:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE5B129511 for ; 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We don't actually describe a transition from idle to half-closed or closed (see discussion about half-closing and unidirectional streams for more on this problem). The text mentions that RST_STREAM on an idle stream is permitted, but doesn't actually define any transitions. I have removed the allowance for RST_STREAM, but I believe that we need that transition. A new issue will be opened. 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar approved this pull request. one nit > +between two points of network attachment. + +The NEW_CONNECTION_ID message includes a connection ID that the client can use +for packets on the current connection. This message also includes packet number +gap, which is the number of packet numbers that the client skips when using the +new connection ID. Without this, the packet number field in the header might be +used to link activity across networks. A server MUST provide a 32-bit value for +the packet number gap field that is indistinguishable from random to a passive +observer. + +A client might need to send packets on multiple networks without receiving any +response from the server. To ensure that the client is not linkable across each +of these changes, a new connection ID and packet number gap are needed for each +network. To support this, a server sends multiple NEW_CONNECTION_ID messages. +Each NEW_CONNECTION_ID is marked with a sequence number, which determines the +order in which they are used. nit: "they are used." -> "they must be used." > @@ -1854,6 +1902,49 @@ alive when a stream is open. The default is to send a PING frame after 15 seconds of quiescence. A PING frame has no additional fields. +## NEW_CONNECTION_ID Frame {#frame-new-connection-id} + +A server sends a NEW_CONNECTION_ID to provide the client with alternative +connection IDs that can be used to break linkability when migrating connections +(see {{migration-linkability}}). + +The NEW_CONNECTION_ID is as follows: + +~~~ + 0 1 2 3 + 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Sequence (16) | 8 bits ought to be enough - we aren't expecting > 255 migrations ... and this can wrap! I suppose you're trying to support a general scheme that supports up to 1 connection ID per packet. 16 bits would limit the BDP to 32K packets in this case (or 32MB, or a ~2Gbps x 100ms path), which is probably fine. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

one nit

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +between two points of network attachment.
+
+The NEW_CONNECTION_ID message includes a connection ID that the client can use
+for packets on the current connection.  This message also includes packet number
+gap, which is the number of packet numbers that the client skips when using the
+new connection ID.  Without this, the packet number field in the header might be
+used to link activity across networks.  A server MUST provide a 32-bit value for
+the packet number gap field that is indistinguishable from random to a passive
+observer.
+
+A client might need to send packets on multiple networks without receiving any
+response from the server.  To ensure that the client is not linkable across each
+of these changes, a new connection ID and packet number gap are needed for each
+network.  To support this, a server sends multiple NEW_CONNECTION_ID messages.
+Each NEW_CONNECTION_ID is marked with a sequence number, which determines the
+order in which they are used.

nit: "they are used." -> "they must be used."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1854,6 +1902,49 @@ alive when a stream is open. The default is to send a PING frame after 15
 seconds of quiescence. A PING frame has no additional fields.
 
 
+## NEW_CONNECTION_ID Frame {#frame-new-connection-id}
+
+A server sends a NEW_CONNECTION_ID to provide the client with alternative
+connection IDs that can be used to break linkability when migrating connections
+(see {{migration-linkability}}).
+
+The NEW_CONNECTION_ID is as follows:
+
+~~~
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|       Sequence (16)           |

8 bits ought to be enough - we aren't expecting > 255 migrations

... and this can wrap! I suppose you're trying to support a general scheme that supports up to 1 connection ID per packet. 16 bits would limit the BDP to 32K packets in this case (or 32MB, or a ~2Gbps x 100ms path), which is probably fine.

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----==_mimepart_5909332e74c2e_77843fe64dbdbc3059822-- From nobody Tue May 2 18:38:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E5D129B82 for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 18:38:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.901 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3XXB3Xz9VZWT for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 18:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m69-169.mailgun.net (m69-169.mailgun.net [166.78.69.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 585A4129BA2 for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 18:34:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1493775293; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=LTevfPEvjIwY4iW2knUS8YVzKAcohoLVHSpljNpLjZo=; b=M1mxO9maVbbMJFyTA3Tx7jL+s708s0s/be1AXWNZWDGSVaJ/EiOBQ/7HzjMxSVuflqE0SNb1 sT6WjJjgXnLcTkWJkxofTmLFa51tXG5bx0VO93lgfiffEmwG3LJFP4e0SlyT/LcAS1Vg2EG1 fVp3Ta0+oxIb52PGFTJZZbNi3DM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=J59SgTCkC0KiC/nmXivw04g6mz72NvydKFBygnPg7i9TQH86FPDscmjtvGksyAdOmlpY5i STWYu4nL54QuVWlj5ykIg2yB4qTMU6uosibA2YWZxuiK6mNULD4PCwX+EEjPx1Mw2ZQTzAC2 ce+9T6m+y137lfLV9tT4X4IkzDonU= Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.169 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.42]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 59092de1.7f86640f1990-smtp-out-n03; Wed, 03 May 2017 01:09:53 -0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 18:09:52 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <59092de05281a_e8e43f82eb19bc2c83478@hookshot-fe-6dbb0c4.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 5562f0: Define the payload size of the initial packet rath... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59092de05244a_e8e43f82eb19bc2c8331e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 01:38:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59092de05244a_e8e43f82eb19bc2c8331e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/first_packet_payload_size Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 5562f0a24df1675b8089c6a6350c8716813b5a12 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5562f0a24df1675b8089c6a6350c8716813b5a12 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Define the payload size of the initial packet rather than the packet size The entity that creates the packet is not always aware of the existence of header extensions. That makes hitting the 1280 octet limit hard. Worse, if they are aware of extensions, they might reduce the size and then encouter a server that enforces the limit. That server will discard the packet. That makes enforcement risky. This change places the limit on the payload. It mandates 1232/1252 for v6/v4. This is the uncomplicated version. The complicated version that I didn't write up allows a client that knows more about overheads to reduce the payload size as long as they keep above some floor value (e.g., 1180). We might consider doing that later if we want to allow QUIC to operate on paths with a much tighter MTU overhead. Evidence suggests that we don't need this. Closes #267 Commit: 62d251486b4bb90f45c59d483f3f562cd8cc3486 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/62d251486b4bb90f45c59d483f3f562cd8cc3486 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Missed a number Commit: 060c71878fca8ce02b9ae1507eb896c099e2e27f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/060c71878fca8ce02b9ae1507eb896c099e2e27f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Add limits to TLS draft Commit: 80ea463166bd2dd63980e6cab57f7b50ac0c1ef9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/80ea463166bd2dd63980e6cab57f7b50ac0c1ef9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Take 2 Commit: 61102f03615365bc543404c559028e75643fbde2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/61102f03615365bc543404c559028e75643fbde2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Could have sworn that there was a UDP extension hack somewhere, probably thinking of ICMP Commit: 12d3f33635dd13d0299a2183965179180a04fd25 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/12d3f33635dd13d0299a2183965179180a04fd25 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- typo Commit: 9b4ac6def6bf0dcfae74b6f660a411baa935c449 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9b4ac6def6bf0dcfae74b6f660a411baa935c449 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Use 'IP packet' more consistently Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/ac02efeccf3d...9b4ac6def6bf ----==_mimepart_59092de05244a_e8e43f82eb19bc2c8331e-- From nobody Tue May 2 18:48:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B056512EAD0 for ; 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Can we make this symmetric (write peer instead of server / client)?
In a p2p setting, it doesn't really make a difference which peer is which, = and both of them might want to do a connection migration at some point.

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----==_mimepart_590937dc2958_3b803ff0dc951c3c1435ca-- From nobody Tue May 2 18:58:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1961127B52 for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 18:58:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.901 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eNU4EenSATUp for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 18:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m69-169.mailgun.net (m69-169.mailgun.net [166.78.69.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD37612957B for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 18:55:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1493776556; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=d6XUXrYFO9X03fn3rsgR7PRNp8WEaS6PU4EoqBhLZGE=; b=cV7kfGVyH3cnoxywpAlD6GtzGbba6UOfi2SJtLI2DKT1ykBwQVkm1SvI2ef4oZ3E9dxC9NKs aP7wfWpauCQchcMPP7qXONsf9K2r7bGBlP06Jy6Z0u743HVB7pexU0ME6TcWMnVYNpkkUpIQ ESBSzptHqlLpOsNcQIOxhLkYgXY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dctLk50yBEdOBUMZ7DtK81qGOvp0+kY6XepjMFrRoH1B1zgAnXfSvBeBNVcHzxO4rbxFyO lVCosxCLkuXd/pfqFqcIGVB+XMgOxAd7MkxGUgexbg5f0a1uLauxENYliF+K0xUNTU621ZOI 3Ya/fMfPIterqesdf7rpxlm1DZrLE= Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.169 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.42]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 590938ab.7f43b87def60-smtp-out-n01; Wed, 03 May 2017 01:55:55 -0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 18:55:55 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <590938abcd0cc_47113fa5458e9c3c14876@hookshot-fe1-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 6bd882: Don't require the client to reset excess streams Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_590938abccccf_47113fa5458e9c3c1476a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 01:58:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590938abccccf_47113fa5458e9c3c1476a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 6bd8826c2a09264940e77db5fa20e27a496a4522 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6bd8826c2a09264940e77db5fa20e27a496a4522 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-28 (Fri, 28 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Don't require the client to reset excess streams In 0-RTT, the client might overrun the server's stream limit. Let the server work out what to do about that. Closes #425 Commit: ae0ec73da6c0a259a4023f5c23c9448ea9b7af49 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ae0ec73da6c0a259a4023f5c23c9448ea9b7af49 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #479 from quicwg/dont_reset_excess_0rtt_streams Don't require the client to reset excess streams Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/2ac35bfade43...ae0ec73da6c0 ----==_mimepart_590938abccccf_47113fa5458e9c3c1476a-- From nobody Tue May 2 18:58:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F2B312960D for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 18:58:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.283 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.283 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kW0IVCZVTjSB for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 18:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05654129C16 for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 18:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 18:55:57 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1493776557; bh=BfF50U5YYPm+vfEj23df6U0uANGHgMMcBOHZZx6UrKA=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LKK6Y3sJhKX05nACUZUTq5rxvUC6apw+RWf1sVTo9+WaiAdcmULFYnYLaL5CuF910 Zi5vlFwGqCDmh4XpKTmXTXBCquwrCogGaDkQV4oCRvk9NhofQhK06+ZG9kHtqjwLnF eacE+CbQdR4jOimuRHhc6xDGlp3vHMArANr8fScw= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Don't require the client to reset excess streams (#479) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590938ad22017_260c3fa1d1a8dc2c26417"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 01:58:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590938ad22017_260c3fa1d1a8dc2c26417 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #479. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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boundary="--==_mimepart_59093b754e399_589d3fd0fb197c2c9371f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2YRQu0yacqrx85Bs5vM8lmxWAlwyv+cLydyg 8SB+5F18A8U5AiilPABEZslC/a4Z5MemvVAOoUsJcD7oeHibIt5H/TWd6m00a1IAa+kNkQNVzkrFF7 vlIpKhYboOITK6DocvsjrRvOGPqoYhnZ7QDR32nYKI5yFlp+x32raF87wU3rq+aXOEJvDdu9pvsxq2 I= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 02:10:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59093b754e399_589d3fd0fb197c2c9371f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @marten-seemann I would love to do that, but we'd want to change the underlying design so that the server sends one connection ID and the client sends another. That's a valid design, but the current design assumes a single identifier that is selected by the server. Can you open an issue so that we can track/discuss/reject that idea separately? I don't think that we can just sneak this in here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/491#issuecomment-298808253 ----==_mimepart_59093b754e399_589d3fd0fb197c2c9371f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@ma= rten-seemann I would love to do that, but we'd want to change the under= lying design so that the server sends one connection ID and the client send= s another. That's a valid design, but the current design assumes a single = identifier that is selected by the server.

Can you open an issue so that we can track/discuss/reject that idea sepa= rately? I don't think that we can just sneak this in here.

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This assumes that the client is aware of the need for unlinkability. I haven't gone into a lot of detail on rationale, why this might be needed and the like. That stuff does need expansion, but we don't have a lot of agreement on the finer details. For the moment having the basic mechanism in place will allow us to make progress. Commit: d1b3125a81400a17bb30c8e15057c9e4742912b6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d1b3125a81400a17bb30c8e15057c9e4742912b6 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Be more assertive about use Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/9d6687d33205...d1b3125a8140 ----==_mimepart_5909458d1817f_72ad3fe4b2937c2848112-- From nobody Tue May 2 20:21:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E213D127F0E for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 20:21:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.183 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.183 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N6HAcp9E5rt5 for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 20:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C087E1288B8 for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 20:19:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=Eyi6UApjm/5TGXjgV/RNo11/Ucw=; b=KudGj1/Y1XJxJ65W uQDgBgoApUpacMKhlIXvQggt+v+z/jGxU1iRQk4PNynMhKf/Z0dH+u5WhmL55p6B 0pxDPDN2g7wAK3c1oaH1fjANYgzKvXsVW19cfdarq9bmegKz8wDX/f3xvRLdYpFJ KdnUkeLMJMohmrwlUKpbP+i+73Q= Received: by filter0560p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0560p1mdw1-6598-59094C27-1 2017-05-03 03:19:03.025942465 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id WL0OBMMJRrWxxGiHB3uS3w for ; Wed, 03 May 2017 03:19:03.028 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 20:19:02 -0700 From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame (#491) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59094c26dcf49_26243fbeb73a3c385693d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2NUsFvNSu4eBpR4365HhHIea/DziH0fxeEKj wXxBqg9se3BaHkfPJrxkwlxOQhhXQuBI5Kz0MIfxQR8yTxXqXW2f2hY5z6/PBbMx5r2pM9SAkFmC+r k+Ea9D24Pr755Nj5+aae6+ZMGFdTKqi1FmMSUulLmL/HV3OK2NEmSzhLwA== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 03:21:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59094c26dcf49_26243fbeb73a3c385693d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it's premature to land this; some of the obvious designs for changing conn-id frequently don't require attaching a PN gap. It's also worth noting that you don't need to explicitly carry that; you can generate it using an exported key and the new conn ID. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/491#issuecomment-298814822 ----==_mimepart_59094c26dcf49_26243fbeb73a3c385693d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think it's premature to land this; some of the obvious designs for cha= nging conn-id frequently don't require attaching a PN gap. It's also worth = noting that you don't need to explicitly carry that; you can generate it us= ing an exported key and the new conn ID.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -105,6 +105,11 @@ Connectivity problems (e.g. firewall blocking UDP) can result in QUIC connection
 establishment failure, in which case the client SHOULD continue using the
 existing connection or try another alternative endpoint offered by the origin.
 
+Servers MAY serve HTTP/QUIC on any UDP port.  Servers MUST use the same port
+across all IP addresses that serve a single domain, and SHOULD NOT change this
+port. Servers SHOULD choose this port at random when first enabling HTTP/QUIC

OK, done!

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----==_mimepart_590951e9e27d5_497d3fa02997fc3029086-- From nobody Tue May 2 20:46:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1F412EAF5 for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 20:45:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.901 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6vG5zVDkjgOA for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 20:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m71-131.mailgun.net (m71-131.mailgun.net [166.78.71.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B72A12EA24 for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 20:43:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1493783018; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=OZf5Y+ZL3gcEXqXqqE9iTgKztx1wqTwQhjafILtafSM=; b=b10t5TbMDjG6iSr3Nt1BruBPjO4Nb7+Qdu3il2Dh8Wf29RUsG/qIccz8DKiOsvjt9RFQkKo6 c3sme68AwFLydr8PlyIVK5kIutiWChxKaKj6VZv2FxwhytBy4DCbCoVt2VRXEVcSX5U3+/bj I2+krhKjyAueki5ZkeOiZ2DdqxY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=uAM8NQU8FQUcFvJHdCuujO11/TZR0gG1w7TFcMYd/kfT23/aDOkj0Qz5dnHcPK9Jlk7hd8 tKOf+tvtFjiX7vnpCJ/BCx6WiA4E3C5yqxhSl/yb50o39PCtoG8zbaEQpSdTA6PQOwIuiGDX wIrFvKCQLFjSfPx9yI9+oDCYvXu6Q= Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.71.131 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.45]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 590951ea.7fdd583689c0-smtp-out-n01; Wed, 03 May 2017 03:43:38 -0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 20:43:37 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <590951e9536d6_4ed23f958b4edc38102234@hookshot-fe3-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 97f04a: Add a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_590951e95331a_4ed23f958b4edc3810219e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 03:45:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590951e95331a_4ed23f958b4edc3810219e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 97f04a5439ac8d11d40cfeea2fce08c5405a9ec4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/97f04a5439ac8d11d40cfeea2fce08c5405a9ec4 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame This frame is used by servers to support client unlinkability across network migrations. This assumes that the client is aware of the need for unlinkability. I haven't gone into a lot of detail on rationale, why this might be needed and the like. That stuff does need expansion, but we don't have a lot of agreement on the finer details. For the moment having the basic mechanism in place will allow us to make progress. Commit: d1b3125a81400a17bb30c8e15057c9e4742912b6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d1b3125a81400a17bb30c8e15057c9e4742912b6 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Be more assertive about use Commit: 9001752946e6dfd1f65e014fd6b37e7880bd1a18 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9001752946e6dfd1f65e014fd6b37e7880bd1a18 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #491 from quicwg/new_conn_id Add a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/ae0ec73da6c0...9001752946e6 ----==_mimepart_590951e95331a_4ed23f958b4edc3810219e-- From nobody Tue May 2 20:46:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CCC412EB05 for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 20:45:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.403 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.403 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 92Zq9tyElItM for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 20:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87DE812EB12 for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 20:43:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=gAEJ02VBwhdWCyoik2VD8VJqlTE=; b=KQi58yvaiOSv0QpW 5XRtUyES3w/0cJ64CB+xk9kotHP9qECtd5BaXY8TnCqGdKjQlqgxI/ECljk909Td vsrt/HAHTEzrCwOn5NoGmAGt3yFjiZzuDkzt+V2Pk08Gwh8yU9lU94hyiQwb/wmB /lD65TLQ1Xf6ohjqNdqjG9/5jzI= Received: by filter0569p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0569p1mdw1-24911-590951EA-3 2017-05-03 03:43:38.292739323 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 7jJYLITkTpmzzHo32oGfww for ; Wed, 03 May 2017 03:43:38.027 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 20:43:37 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame (#491) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590951e9e15f7_2f1b3fdaf0ba7c2c106256"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0crJD1Z73CuzepWLrSDCm1BjmFFeNdiuL++b 1TT7XP7q3t+uB+1B11qGIkUhVacALLdIjFM/A8zilI/lf0vEladI6zHeBOuYJbzApnyB6uQEMRH0x9 HiFEFI+5XqjVCEey9ryP55kps7YiQyEGBTRInFaZt5ciaWiCLBjsW8uf/UoHq5rXTTfg62G+zX91jf 8= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 03:45:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590951e9e15f7_2f1b3fdaf0ba7c2c106256 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #491. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Removing the packet number field and replacing it with an exported value (is this a valid use for the context?) would be a valid enhancement. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/491#issuecomment-298822801 ----==_mimepart_590961b8bb148_56053fbf71f37c38344db Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It might have been a little premature, but maybe you could phrase your c= oncerns as deltas to the current design. Removing the packet number field = and replacing it with an exported value (is this a valid use for the contex= t?) would be a valid enhancement.

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The remaining packets that carry cleartext messages remain the same. The final packet from the server is removed; instead the server cleartext packet carries the server-selected connection ID. The server can propose a new connection ID in any of its cleartext packets, including the version negotiation packet. This will need to roll up changes from stateless rejects. I'll merge that branch after this commit. Things that I might do differently: require the client to send an initial packet after version negotiation on the basis that version negotiation is a complete do-over. Maybe also after a stateless reject, which would mean that all packets containing the ClientHello would use that "initial" type. That would mean that only the initial type would have packet size restrictions, which is nice. Those alternatives give the server more options for changing connection ID as well, but it also removes the ability for a server-side load balancer to easily distinguish between connection IDs that the client proposes and those that the server has provided. Not sure which way that goes, I've opted to keep the signal in place until we've had some more discussion. Commit: 1d8b01d7a13f36b94bef172c59b8168ec10519a9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1d8b01d7a13f36b94bef172c59b8168ec10519a9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'stateless_reject' into invert_connection_id Commit: beb33da6b62830f8ded373982f1178450e8732d2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/beb33da6b62830f8ded373982f1178450e8732d2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Expand on HelloRetryRequest rules Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/fd458d542c0b^...beb33da6b628 ----==_mimepart_5909b2b44ee90_f9863fceb47bdc30777fd-- From nobody Wed May 3 03:42:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7DF912941C for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 03:42:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.801 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ps8TVGFUZjKD for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 03:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D662129AEE for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 03:39:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=AHWsQovcBAGehhOeynm9gGEIYxo=; b=L1ND3pcTx/JtX3tJ 8ZtrzNxwPmiM1j4+7upNP01KTuJuAyxwgQ466f8U8UqFLT0HHuZR6io9ArQv1ank mrZqj5lX5Ma+TuQE8mXWz1u60qzwpyvEIko7Jw3m4rynVjEw0pSJSMsj1D5d5R4U fT0RDaXSuGXLXJdRePUubLCkEwQ= Received: by filter0962p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0962p1mdw1-27405-5909B353-F 2017-05-03 10:39:15.266374158 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id QD4BY8vWRKyHFdrNYO2wNw for ; Wed, 03 May 2017 10:39:15.227 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 03:39:15 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Invert connection ID (#493) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5909b3531bc60_130d3fa1ba25fc3885717"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0R7aybV8CWhnr4U1yvqqhLl+E08/ps5u/ycA LW14p0yIIlBUBx1yJw2OC46SXs/4fJb7v+Wo6l85HJoyP6YJEmKIEGQlh6MavqvyxSRgOurjbNXXws U/ZGaNKXJdrQ4zAeTJONVkqZ7Kw16JNpQDJs/sy8yqkrHNxx7nQMKIoT08m0G2IXOaEtx4pGnjXGdi 0= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 10:42:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5909b3531bc60_130d3fa1ba25fc3885717 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This defines a new packet type for the initial client cleartext packet, and stateless rejects. The remaining packets that carry cleartext messages remain the same. The final packet from the server is removed; instead the server cleartext packet carries the server-selected connection ID. The server can propose a new connection ID in any of its cleartext packets, including the version negotiation packet. This rolls in the changes from #482 and so addresses the issues raised there. Things that I might do differently: 1. Require the client to send an initial packet after version negotiation on the basis that version negotiation is a complete do-over. 2. Maybe also after a stateless reject, which would mean that all packets containing the ClientHello would use that "initial" type. That would mean that only the initial type would have packet size restrictions, which is nice. Those alternatives give the server more options for changing connection ID as well, but it also removes the ability for a server-side load balancer to easily distinguish between connection IDs that the client proposes and those that the server has provided. Not sure which way that goes, I've opted to keep the signal in place until we've had some more discussion. Closes #482, #442. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/493 -- Commit Summary -- * Address validation is stateless reject * Expand description * Rework cleartext packet descriptions * Merge branch 'stateless_reject' into invert_connection_id * Expand on HelloRetryRequest rules -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (33) M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (281) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/493.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/493.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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This defines a new packet type for the initial client cleartext packet, and stateless rejects. The remaining packets that carry cleartext messages remain the same. The final packet from the server is removed; instead the server cleartext packet carries the server-selected connection ID. The server can propose a new connection ID in any of its cleartext packets, including the version negotiation packet.

This rolls in the changes from #482 and so addresses the issues raised there.

Things that I might do differently:

  1. Require the client to send an initial packet after version negotiation on the basis that version negotiation is a complete do-over.

  2. Maybe also after a stateless reject, which would mean that all packets containing the ClientHello would use that "initial" type. That would mean that only the initial type would have packet size restrictions,
    which is nice.

Those alternatives give the server more options for changing connection ID as well, but it also removes the ability for a server-side load balancer to easily distinguish between connection IDs that the client proposes and those that the server has provided. Not sure which way that goes, I've opted to keep the signal in place until we've had some more discussion.

Closes #482, #442.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/493

Commit Summary

  • Address validation is stateless reject
  • Expand description
  • Rework cleartext packet descriptions
  • Merge branch 'stateless_reject' into invert_connection_id
  • Expand on HelloRetryRequest rules

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  location in all packet headers, making it straightforward for middleboxes, such
 as load balancers, to locate and use it.
 
-When a connection is initiated, the client MUST choose a random value and use it
-as the initial Connection ID until the final value is available. The initial
-Connection ID is a suggestion to the server. The server echoes this value in all
-packets until the handshake is successful (see {{QUIC-TLS}}). On a successful
-handshake, the server MUST select the final Connection ID for the connection and
-use it in Final Server Cleartext packets. This final Connection ID MAY be the
-one proposed by the client or MAY be a new server-selected value. All subsequent
-packets from the server MUST contain this value.  On handshake completion, the
-client MUST switch to using the final Connection ID for all subsequent
-packets.
+The client MUST choose a random connection ID and use it in Client Initial
+packets ({{packet-client-initial}}).  If the client has received any packet from
+the server, the uses the connection ID it received from the server in that
+packet.

typo: the uses

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----==_mimepart_5909b43499c71_62113fe351b6bc2c9255-- From nobody Wed May 3 03:47:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0892129B2B for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 03:47:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fCvvssQZjbJW for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 03:47:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 911A0129489 for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 03:44:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=5vvZ01mEATdBZBq3WQZ6pRBSji4=; b=jlSjOGGzII3jMMPV 6Gn8g0L4SX+mjESwZYBaEIBcWv+SkthFE2S5NTdbKMNM6wu1tCVJawt17doEqth8 Zd4vyk6RK1QbQy3QbGBIGmQMGCi0W+goukUZ/X9Cavu13031UbbhWJONpP39eH3B d45GEqTJHDxjYOuzHVC+51FHp1M= Received: by filter0950p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0950p1mdw1-21290-5909B489-59 2017-05-03 10:44:25.580153525 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id Pk-fCeZtRSKmdQYbjDtbkg for ; Wed, 03 May 2017 10:44:25.516 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 03:44:25 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Invert connection ID (#493) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5909b48969f85_3733fbfdc305c383698"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1Up7P1U2Vm63N4MJlo5NhmB+JZFHGJoKpkCb bAJ3g3wygqSGEkwyvEHJydTsJNpvnYvdCRkXMAdWf5TfgV0kutn7e3q+pL7cEyeRW7S0jAVf+lLjw5 riqIrAZN2VQjWTIvzVb1J5GvE/YLAL8aFc88ikR18gIzspKmgIwUp1/KpuvopEnudvsYTbenqLGrID I= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 10:47:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5909b48969f85_3733fbfdc305c383698 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > location in all packet headers, making it straightforward for middleboxes, such as load balancers, to locate and use it. -When a connection is initiated, the client MUST choose a random value and use it -as the initial Connection ID until the final value is available. The initial -Connection ID is a suggestion to the server. The server echoes this value in all -packets until the handshake is successful (see {{QUIC-TLS}}). On a successful -handshake, the server MUST select the final Connection ID for the connection and -use it in Final Server Cleartext packets. This final Connection ID MAY be the -one proposed by the client or MAY be a new server-selected value. All subsequent -packets from the server MUST contain this value. On handshake completion, the -client MUST switch to using the final Connection ID for all subsequent -packets. +The client MUST choose a random connection ID and use it in Client Initial +packets ({{packet-client-initial}}). If the client has received any packet from +the server, the uses the connection ID it received from the server in that +packet. thanks, fixed -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/493#discussion_r114516035 ----==_mimepart_5909b48969f85_3733fbfdc305c383698 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  location in all packet headers, making it straightforward for middleboxes, such
 as load balancers, to locate and use it.
 
-When a connection is initiated, the client MUST choose a random value and use it
-as the initial Connection ID until the final value is available. The initial
-Connection ID is a suggestion to the server. The server echoes this value in all
-packets until the handshake is successful (see {{QUIC-TLS}}). On a successful
-handshake, the server MUST select the final Connection ID for the connection and
-use it in Final Server Cleartext packets. This final Connection ID MAY be the
-one proposed by the client or MAY be a new server-selected value. All subsequent
-packets from the server MUST contain this value.  On handshake completion, the
-client MUST switch to using the final Connection ID for all subsequent
-packets.
+The client MUST choose a random connection ID and use it in Client Initial
+packets ({{packet-client-initial}}).  If the client has received any packet from
+the server, the uses the connection ID it received from the server in that
+packet.

thanks, fixed

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Closes #492.

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  • Reword initial packet number

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----==_mimepart_5909b6e567d0a_1e153fe4a72b1c381740c-- From nobody Wed May 3 03:58:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A029126DFF for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 03:58:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.403 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.403 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y-XzzB_WY99a for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 03:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A35A12896F for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 03:55:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=EwFRd0zvY3/xn39jtUAMHF9i4ko=; b=PCgEOv/MW7bObMBN GDbaxsp9bkH/czO1la76UTGSstjMtKI7znM/X2htsaervChCbhgrR4q7ZPy6rGF7 OIQ++0qB5OgHAdV6ypLNcYKiyRx3R3a2QTWovEJ7jhYgmRClCMuOx+XqUWaLIfl8 GGQ5P4y89SLsloRDoLeOtT47xmg= Received: by filter0406p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0406p1mdw1-27779-5909B72F-44 2017-05-03 10:55:43.739159025 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id IvPsuGMeRqmdiPEXSGyLJw for ; Wed, 03 May 2017 10:55:43.673 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 03:55:43 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Invert connection ID (#493) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5909b72f90d10_54403fbfdc305c3879830"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2aNCofTG+VifEMV/OXvBtLdOFsJgOfgGx2Az P3K8eCyBiiQsAZzG+wI7z0jNVgPTuVDv51rBGyN2UFcvdB5ppY5siQX+ar5nvETIdqbh//I5zlq3oL NE+vHrP9Jtc9s9V1g/wujULLChQYtAVHOpVSc+dSEpX16OGmuFNRVnUWfzw1Pu6wwNHGwuMMbbNyG4 o= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 10:58:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5909b72f90d10_54403fbfdc305c3879830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not sure that I follow the question, are you suggesting that the server messages have two connection ids, one that echoes the client's value and one that is the server's value? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/493#issuecomment-298879873 ----==_mimepart_5909b72f90d10_54403fbfdc305c3879830 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Not sure that I follow the question, are you suggesting that the server messages have two connection ids, one that echoes the client's value and one that is the server's value?

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yes, exactly

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  1. Just an idea - what if quic wouldn't rely on TLS for initial stateless= client address verify, but would define its own special pack type which = includes cookie + ClientHello? That way server implementation wouldn't ne= ed to init TLS before client validated and quic wouldn't have to 'detect'= that TLS has responded with HelloRetryRequest. NOTE that I haven't fully= understood if that would impact other uses of HelloRetryRequest or quic = states. (just an idea)

  2. Changing connection ID on initial client connection could be great for= server side load balancing, because 'newly connected' clients can be rou= ted to servers that process the slow handshake process. In case there is= an DDOS which starts many TLS handshakes, they are only affecting new cl= ient connections, but the existing ones can't be attacked so easily. Or j= ust to simply route(load balance) new client to free server.

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Extracting this issue from Ben's #424 so we don't block an otherwise-simple change:

There's no requirement that servers use a particular UDP port for HTTP/QUIC or any other QUIC traffic. Using Alt-Svc, the server is able to pick and advertise any port number and a compliant client will handle it just fine. That's already the case, and isn't part of this issue. #424 updates the HTTP draft to highlight this, increasing the odds that implementations will test and support that case.

This issue is to track that it might actually be desirable from a privacy standpoint for servers to pick arbitrary port numbers and perhaps even rotate them periodically (though that requires coordination with their Alt-Svc advertisements and lifetimes, which could be challenging) in order to make it more difficult for a network observer to classify traffic (and therefore more difficult to ossify).

On the other hand, as we're wrestling with in each of these privacy/manageability debates, removing easy network visibility into the likely protocol by using arbitrary port numbers means that middleboxes will probably resort to other means of attempting to identify protocols and potentially doing it badly, which could result in even worse ossification. (E.g. indexing into the TLS ClientHello to find the ALPN list, then panicking on a different handshake protocol.)

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This sounds like something that could be discussed in the applicability statement

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From my understanding we have three use cases: 1) as input for stateless load balancers 2) as confirmation signal 3) for connection migration For 1) the id must be chosen by the server (or the load balancer) and must be visible to the load balancer on every packet; however, this id does actually not have to be unique for the connection. It rather identifies the server and as such could effectively be the same for all connections that go to the same server. For 2) a value is selected by the client and reflected by the server. The signal may be visible to the path as it can be used to set up state e.g. for firewalls. Probably this signal is only needed at connection start or some kind of restart, however, exposing it all the time would potentially allow for transparent rebinding if state got lost on the path. Note the packet number echo could fulfil the same purpose. For 3) server and client must have agreed to a token. This signal does not necessarily need to be exposed to the path because the path might have changed anyway. However, it cannot easily be encrypted either as this is needed to identify the right encryption context. Effectively it only needs to be sent after the migration but the endpoint might not know if the migration happen, so not sending it all the time could lead to a one RTT delay after migration to request it. Hope that helps! (credits for this analysis actually go to Jean-Pierre Smith, one of Brian's colleges in the network security group) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/493#issuecomment-298967891 ----==_mimepart_590a08eb6bde2_f013fc6c9919c34241054 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Back to @= mikkelfj question: I think it might make sense to sort out the differen= t use cases for the connection ID and think about those and the required pr= operties separately. From my understanding we have three use cases:

  1. as input for stateless load balancers
  2. as confirmation signal
  3. for connection migration

For 1) the id must be chosen by the server (or the load balancer) and mu= st be visible to the load balancer on every packet; however, this id does a= ctually not have to be unique for the connection. It rather identifies the = server and as such could effectively be the same for all connections that g= o to the same server.

For 2) a value is selected by the client and reflected by the server. Th= e signal may be visible to the path as it can be used to set up state e.g. = for firewalls. Probably this signal is only needed at connection start or s= ome kind of restart, however, exposing it all the time would potentially al= low for transparent rebinding if state got lost on the path. Note the packe= t number echo could fulfil the same purpose.

For 3) server and client must have agreed to a token. This signal does n= ot necessarily need to be exposed to the path because the path might have c= hanged anyway. However, it cannot easily be encrypted either as this is nee= ded to identify the right encryption context. Effectively it only needs to = be sent after the migration but the endpoint might not know if the migratio= n happen, so not sending it all the time could lead to a one RTT delay afte= r migration to request it.

Hope that helps!

(credits for this analysis actually go to Jean-Pierre Smith, one of Bria= n's colleges in the network security group)

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The use case I have in mind is not fully covered in the above three ca= ses:

  1. As a unique identifier for associating connection state. Without a un= ique id this is handled via IP:port until connection migration, then rep= laced with a new IP:port. This requires IP:port to be unique to the respe= ctive end-points (when connection id does not serve that purpose).

In praxis the Connection ID will serve the purpose of associating conn= ection state, but when not explicitly statet, there are gaps, such as dur= ing initial setup.

Ensuring a Connection ID all the way in public headers - either a sing= le (client selected), or a replaced (client->server->client replace= d), makes it possible to find connection state at end-points before decry= ption without relying on port associations. Obviously this will not work = with short headers that exclude the connection id.

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In fact, none of the existing designs (this proposal, or what is in the draft) actually provide that in all cases. I agree that it is double double duty regarding load balancers and migration, but that could be more generically referred to as "ensuring the packet ends up where it should". @mikkelfj, I think that you are right with your fourth use case; it's the generalization above. However, the notion of identification is subtly dangerous. The goal is not so much to identify a connection, but ensure that packets arrive at the right place. Identification implies some sort of permanence. The model that I think we have here isn't perfectly symmetrical. For the client, the 5-tuple is what ensures that packets arrive at the right place. The server uses the connection ID, which allows the client to migrate. In theory, the server can migrate, but not during the handshake, and not at the same time as the client, but this probably won't work in practice if you concede that certain types of middlebox are commonplace on the client ends of connections. You can see this in practice with most Google clients allowing the server to omit the connection ID. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/493#issuecomment-299050741 ----==_mimepart_590a5623f34bd_6a3b3ff52b733c2c52194 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@mirjak= , I don't think that we require the connection ID as a confirmation signal.= In fact, none of the existing designs (this proposal, or what is in the d= raft) actually provide that in all cases. I agree that it is double double= duty regarding load balancers and migration, but that could be more generi= cally referred to as "ensuring the packet ends up where it should".

@mikkelfj= , I think that you are right with your fourth use case; it's the genera= lization above. However, the notion of identification is subtly dangerous.= The goal is not so much to identify a connection, but ensure that packets= arrive at the right place. Identification implies some sort of permanence= .

The model that I think we have here isn't perfectly symmetrical. For th= e client, the 5-tuple is what ensures that packets arrive at the right plac= e. The server uses the connection ID, which allows the client to migrate. = In theory, the server can migrate, but not during the handshake, and not a= t the same time as the client, but this probably won't work in practice if = you concede that certain types of middlebox are commonplace on the client e= nds of connections. You can see this in practice with most Google clients = allowing the server to omit the connection ID.

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This seems possible as is... what is the cost you are thinking about?

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There is definite interest in discussing partial reliability eventually, but it's scoped out of charter for now to allow focus on HTTP.

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I like this, it removes bytes on the wire at the cost of a few hashes. Let's change the encoding for the packet later. I agree that packing 255 new connection IDs in a single frame probably makes more sense now that you don't have an explicit gap. A length-prefixed list is always smaller for N>1, especially since you can share the sequence number. However, if we are going to do #460 or #20, then we might also need some way to include an updated verifier for the public reset. That's going to create less incentive to send enough new connection IDs and the simpler frame might be easier in that case. Let's see what others think. > between two points of network attachment. -The NEW_CONNECTION_ID message includes a connection ID that the client can use -for packets on the current connection. This message also includes packet number -gap, which is the number of packet numbers that the client skips when using the -new connection ID. Without this, the packet number field in the header might be -used to link activity across networks. A server MUST provide a 32-bit value for -the packet number gap field that is indistinguishable from random to a passive -observer. +A client which wishes to break linkability upon changing networks MUST +use the NEW_CONNECTION_ID as well as incrementing the packet sequence `MUST use the NEW_CONNECTION_ID` implies sending, it's the value from the message that the client uses. I'm not sure about the MUST-requirement. Isn't this a simple "can"? > @@ -1296,6 +1291,22 @@ connection ID, it should expect packets on the new connection ID to start at 18. A packet with the new connection ID and a packet number of 17 is discarded as being in error. +#### Packet Number Gap + +In order to avoid linkage, the packet number gap MUST be externally +indistinguishable from random. The packet number gap for a connection +ID with sequence number is computed by encoding the sequence number +as a 32-bit integer in big-endian format, and then computing: Since packet numbers are 64-bit, might as well make this the same type. HKDF won't care. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/496#pullrequestreview-36152313 ----==_mimepart_590a5889f1fdb_7c0b3ff6551d1c2c1131b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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I like this, it removes bytes on the wire at the cost of a few hashes. Let's change the encoding for the packet later. I agree that packing 255 new connection IDs in a single frame probably makes more sense now that you don't have an explicit gap. A length-prefixed list is always smaller for N>1, especially since you can share the sequence number.

However, if we are going to do #460 or #20, then we might also need some way to include an updated verifier for the public reset. That's going to create less incentive to send enough new connection IDs and the simpler frame might be easier in that case.

Let's see what others think.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  between two points of network attachment.
 
-The NEW_CONNECTION_ID message includes a connection ID that the client can use
-for packets on the current connection.  This message also includes packet number
-gap, which is the number of packet numbers that the client skips when using the
-new connection ID.  Without this, the packet number field in the header might be
-used to link activity across networks.  A server MUST provide a 32-bit value for
-the packet number gap field that is indistinguishable from random to a passive
-observer.
+A client which wishes to break linkability upon changing networks MUST
+use the NEW_CONNECTION_ID as well as incrementing the packet sequence

MUST use the NEW_CONNECTION_ID implies sending, it's the value from the message that the client uses.

I'm not sure about the MUST-requirement. Isn't this a simple "can"?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1296,6 +1291,22 @@ connection ID, it should expect packets on the new connection ID to start at 18.
 A packet with the new connection ID and a packet number of 17 is discarded as
 being in error.
 
+#### Packet Number Gap
+
+In order to avoid linkage, the packet number gap MUST be externally
+indistinguishable from random. The packet number gap for a connection
+ID with sequence number is computed by encoding the sequence number
+as a 32-bit integer in big-endian format, and then computing:

Since packet numbers are 64-bit, might as well make this the same type. HKDF won't care.

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  between two points of network attachment.
 
-The NEW_CONNECTION_ID message includes a connection ID that the client can use
-for packets on the current connection.  This message also includes packet number
-gap, which is the number of packet numbers that the client skips when using the
-new connection ID.  Without this, the packet number field in the header might be
-used to link activity across networks.  A server MUST provide a 32-bit value for
-the packet number gap field that is indistinguishable from random to a passive
-observer.
+A client which wishes to break linkability upon changing networks MUST
+use the NEW_CONNECTION_ID as well as incrementing the packet sequence

Well I think my claim is that if you want it unlinkable you have to

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1296,6 +1291,22 @@ connection ID, it should expect packets on the new connection ID to start at 18.
 A packet with the new connection ID and a packet number of 17 is discarded as
 being in error.
 
+#### Packet Number Gap
+
+In order to avoid linkage, the packet number gap MUST be externally
+indistinguishable from random. The packet number gap for a connection
+ID with sequence number is computed by encoding the sequence number
+as a 32-bit integer in big-endian format, and then computing:

Yeah, agreed.

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OK, simplest possible migration, change of port number on both ends, s= ame connection ID. I don't understand how this would work. Whichever pe= er sends first will send to a port on which the other side isn't listenin= g. Same happens if the IP and port change together. It's worse if the = connection ID is changed and that seems highly likely given that this is = why you migrate in the first place.

We already have an unwritten caveat on migration in that the migrating= endpoint has to be the one to speak first. We probably have an addition= al unwritten caveat that only a client can migrate, given that a changing= source address likely runs afoul of any firewalls and NATs and we more o= r less assume that the server isn't afflicted with that sort of curse.

As for costs, I don't know what the solution looks like, so I can't ev= en speculate on costs.

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= ----==_mimepart_590a5a0b4913e_11f93ff6551d1c2c1868b7-- From nobody Wed May 3 15:33:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B63B1243FE for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 15:33:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9YvFSGgEPmsw for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 15:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 467BD129409 for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 15:32:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=hgvoOukoNDE2YnJwhHdhJ5VXVvw=; b=ocbEfd1qXuFd+Vzt xNo7DXu4/dEh9TB6K0T/hRQwkWhy0CTYvYGYG0uox4Pnmhl++oG3oMZkRv9gOq0I Ve3/rUMs3LsCgWjJg6ybIJZNN2EqLFL19HLRQOJ6DnQBpDyNKTirx9aNWcwOKAnc DmSeVnkbx4kDRePP+Z01bstGyNs= Received: by filter0478p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0478p1mdw1-27744-590A5A8D-34 2017-05-03 22:32:45.452747007 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id dyAI3StuT0GqbDRu0klEqQ for ; Wed, 03 May 2017 22:32:45.446 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 15:32:45 -0700 From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Address validation is stateless reject (#482) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590a5a8d55151_69ae3ff6551d1c2c17724a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1h0jxZm/KGAL82GCH2NOOwC13om6rh+OVhK1 mjVSiDEIItO6qvKMNX9ScUw4hlH7MQcKfqFyekc8to9p4IHjJcrpWOoSXpi5JWxPpnycNGdktFXbru hsjrNsHXfWB5yw9w3viuOgZw5QL+Vmhtxoq3aI468soaKje3GaQC0bhXoy67rFnky+emEyb8zZmItj 0= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 22:33:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590a5a8d55151_69ae3ff6551d1c2c17724a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > + +A server can use the cookie extension to store all state necessary to continue +the connection. This allows a server to avoid committing state for clients that +have unvalidated source addresses. + +For instance, a server could use a statically-configured key to encrypt the +information that it requires and include that information in the cookie. In +addition to address validation information, a server that uses encryption also +needs to be able recover the hash of the ClientHello and its length, plus any +information it needs in order to reconstruct the HelloRetryRequest. + +A client proceeds as though the server were stateful. It constructs a second +ClientHello and sends it following the initial ClientHello. Note that this +means a server that doesn't maintain state between the intial and second +ClientHello will receive the second ClientHello in STREAM frames with a non-zero +offset. The resulting gap in the received stream data needs to be ignored and Yeah, this doesn't need QUIC connection continuity, just TLS continuity. A new connection with a new connection ID should achieve that. (The connection doesn't need to go back to the same server, does it?) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/482#discussion_r114668743 ----==_mimepart_590a5a8d55151_69ae3ff6551d1c2c17724a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+A server can use the cookie extension to store all state necessary to continue
+the connection.  This allows a server to avoid committing state for clients that
+have unvalidated source addresses.
+
+For instance, a server could use a statically-configured key to encrypt the
+information that it requires and include that information in the cookie.  In
+addition to address validation information, a server that uses encryption also
+needs to be able recover the hash of the ClientHello and its length, plus any
+information it needs in order to reconstruct the HelloRetryRequest.
+
+A client proceeds as though the server were stateful.  It constructs a second
+ClientHello and sends it following the initial ClientHello.  Note that this
+means a server that doesn't maintain state between the intial and second
+ClientHello will receive the second ClientHello in STREAM frames with a non-zero
+offset.  The resulting gap in the received stream data needs to be ignored and

Yeah, this doesn't need QUIC connection continuity, just TLS continuity. A new connection with a new connection ID should achieve that. (The connection doesn't need to go back to the same server, does it?)

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+A server can use the cookie extension to store all state necessary to continue
+the connection.  This allows a server to avoid committing state for clients that
+have unvalidated source addresses.
+
+For instance, a server could use a statically-configured key to encrypt the
+information that it requires and include that information in the cookie.  In
+addition to address validation information, a server that uses encryption also
+needs to be able recover the hash of the ClientHello and its length, plus any
+information it needs in order to reconstruct the HelloRetryRequest.
+
+A client proceeds as though the server were stateful.  It constructs a second
+ClientHello and sends it following the initial ClientHello.  Note that this
+means a server that doesn't maintain state between the intial and second
+ClientHello will receive the second ClientHello in STREAM frames with a non-zero
+offset.  The resulting gap in the received stream data needs to be ignored and

The whole point of a stateless reject is to avoid creating state, so if it had to go back to the same server, something is wrong :)

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On permanency: I'm fine with changing ID as long as the new ID can be = passed encrypted in a packet identified using the old ID, or with the old= ID publicly in a packet with a new ID.

On client server behavior - there are symmetric use cases where client= / server as a concept makes little sense other than who runs the handsha= ke. Interfaces (IP address) may also be hard to predict in certain enviro= nments, or it may be beneficial to fire on all available interfaces - for= example given multiple network cards. Overlay mesh networks can route tr= affic on random identifiers or content based hashing. The fixed IP nature= is far from a given in complex IoT mesh networks with no central routing= capabilities. I'm not saying QUIC should automatically support this, but= if all it takes is adding an ID to a handshake, then it is worth a thoug= ht.

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A couple of comments

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  between two points of network attachment.
 
-The NEW_CONNECTION_ID message includes a connection ID that the client can use
-for packets on the current connection.  This message also includes packet number
-gap, which is the number of packet numbers that the client skips when using the
-new connection ID.  Without this, the packet number field in the header might be
-used to link activity across networks.  A server MUST provide a 32-bit value for
-the packet number gap field that is indistinguishable from random to a passive
-observer.
+A client which wishes to break linkability upon changing networks MUST
+use the NEW_CONNECTION_ID as well as incrementing the packet sequence

The MUST is unclear. I'm not sure how to read it -- is this a requirement of the spec? Seems not, since according to the text, a client may choose to not break linkability. Perhaps using lowercase "must" is what you want here?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1296,6 +1291,22 @@ connection ID, it should expect packets on the new connection ID to start at 18.
 A packet with the new connection ID and a packet number of 17 is discarded as
 being in error.
 
+#### Packet Number Gap
+
+In order to avoid linkage, the packet number gap MUST be externally
+indistinguishable from random. The packet number gap for a connection
+ID with sequence number is computed by encoding the sequence number
+as a 32-bit integer in big-endian format, and then computing:
+
+~~~
+Gap = HKDF-Expand-Label(packet_number_secret,
+                        "QUIC packet sequence gap", sequence, 4)

HKDF-Expand-Label is not defined in the transport draft. This should be one more addition to the QUIC-TLS API.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+A server can use the cookie extension to store all state necessary to continue
+the connection.  This allows a server to avoid committing state for clients that
+have unvalidated source addresses.
+
+For instance, a server could use a statically-configured key to encrypt the
+information that it requires and include that information in the cookie.  In
+addition to address validation information, a server that uses encryption also
+needs to be able recover the hash of the ClientHello and its length, plus any
+information it needs in order to reconstruct the HelloRetryRequest.
+
+A client proceeds as though the server were stateful.  It constructs a second
+ClientHello and sends it following the initial ClientHello.  Note that this
+means a server that doesn't maintain state between the intial and second
+ClientHello will receive the second ClientHello in STREAM frames with a non-zero
+offset.  The resulting gap in the received stream data needs to be ignored and

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1296,6 +1291,22 @@ connection ID, it should expect packets on the new connection ID to start at 18.
 A packet with the new connection ID and a packet number of 17 is discarded as
 being in error.
 
+#### Packet Number Gap
+
+In order to avoid linkage, the packet number gap MUST be externally
+indistinguishable from random. The packet number gap for a connection
+ID with sequence number is computed by encoding the sequence number
+as a 32-bit integer in big-endian format, and then computing:
+
+~~~
+Gap = HKDF-Expand-Label(packet_number_secret,
+                        "QUIC packet sequence gap", sequence, 4)

I don't think you want that. The API we agreed on previously was that TLS provides an exporter and the transport uses it. If you want this to be in TLS, then we end up with a much tighter coupling than you would like. (Me, I don't care, I don't see any point in disentangling these two parts, but we did have consensus to separate them.)

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1296,6 +1291,22 @@ connection ID, it should expect packets on the new connection ID to start at 18.
 A packet with the new connection ID and a packet number of 17 is discarded as
 being in error.
 
+#### Packet Number Gap
+
+In order to avoid linkage, the packet number gap MUST be externally
+indistinguishable from random. The packet number gap for a connection
+ID with sequence number is computed by encoding the sequence number
+as a 32-bit integer in big-endian format, and then computing:
+
+~~~
+Gap = HKDF-Expand-Label(packet_number_secret,
+                        "QUIC packet sequence gap", sequence, 4)

@janaiyengar, is what you want here:

"The TLS-QUIC API must expose a function QUIC-Packet-Gap(sequence) -> Gap which returns a 32-bit integer indicating the packet gap for a given sequence number"?

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1296,6 +1291,22 @@ connection ID, it should expect packets on the new connection ID to start at 18.
 A packet with the new connection ID and a packet number of 17 is discarded as
 being in error.
 
+#### Packet Number Gap
+
+In order to avoid linkage, the packet number gap MUST be externally
+indistinguishable from random. The packet number gap for a connection
+ID with sequence number is computed by encoding the sequence number
+as a 32-bit integer in big-endian format, and then computing:
+
+~~~
+Gap = HKDF-Expand-Label(packet_number_secret,
+                        "QUIC packet sequence gap", sequence, 4)

Hm -- good point martinthomson@ -- I hadn't thought about that. Is it adequate to do some sort of simple hash here then?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1296,6 +1291,22 @@ connection ID, it should expect packets on the new connection ID to start at 18.
 A packet with the new connection ID and a packet number of 17 is discarded as
 being in error.
 
+#### Packet Number Gap
+
+In order to avoid linkage, the packet number gap MUST be externally
+indistinguishable from random. The packet number gap for a connection
+ID with sequence number is computed by encoding the sequence number
+as a 32-bit integer in big-endian format, and then computing:
+
+~~~
+Gap = HKDF-Expand-Label(packet_number_secret,
+                        "QUIC packet sequence gap", sequence, 4)

@ekr's design is best practice here. I would not be that happy about a design that was less robust than this. HKDF has a bunch of features that we might not need, but the alternatives would require considerably more analysis before we could be sure that they are OK.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1296,6 +1291,22 @@ connection ID, it should expect packets on the new connection ID to start at 18.
 A packet with the new connection ID and a packet number of 17 is discarded as
 being in error.
 
+#### Packet Number Gap
+
+In order to avoid linkage, the packet number gap MUST be externally
+indistinguishable from random. The packet number gap for a connection
+ID with sequence number is computed by encoding the sequence number
+as a 32-bit integer in big-endian format, and then computing:
+
+~~~
+Gap = HKDF-Expand-Label(packet_number_secret,
+                        "QUIC packet sequence gap", sequence, 4)

Why wouldn't a simple keyed-hash be adequate? Of course, organization of text shouldn't determine our design; do you have a suggestion for organizing the text if HKDF is to be used?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1296,6 +1291,22 @@ connection ID, it should expect packets on the new connection ID to start at 18.
 A packet with the new connection ID and a packet number of 17 is discarded as
 being in error.
 
+#### Packet Number Gap
+
+In order to avoid linkage, the packet number gap MUST be externally
+indistinguishable from random. The packet number gap for a connection
+ID with sequence number is computed by encoding the sequence number
+as a 32-bit integer in big-endian format, and then computing:
+
+~~~
+Gap = HKDF-Expand-Label(packet_number_secret,
+                        "QUIC packet sequence gap", sequence, 4)

If we move packet protection to the transport, as planned, then we'll need HKDF, so there's no real issue with taking this change as it is.

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what if quic wouldn't rely on TLS for initial stateless client address v= erify, but would define its own special pack type which includes cookie + C= lientHello?

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There are a bunch of things that might arrive at a server that aren't QUIC. Not all of these need to generate a Version Negotiation packet in response.

We should insist that short-form packets are ignored.

We might also insist that a packet that isn't obvious an initial handshake packet be dropped. That means that it needs to be at least 1232/1252 octets long.

These both might happen if routing is bad, if connection migration happens (and the client isn't using connection ID properly) or the server receives internet-chaff. Better to ignore chaff than to waste effort on it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1296,6 +1291,22 @@ connection ID, it should expect packets on the new connection ID to start at 18.
 A packet with the new connection ID and a packet number of 17 is discarded as
 being in error.
 
+#### Packet Number Gap
+
+In order to avoid linkage, the packet number gap MUST be externally
+indistinguishable from random. The packet number gap for a connection
+ID with sequence number is computed by encoding the sequence number
+as a 32-bit integer in big-endian format, and then computing:
+
+~~~
+Gap = HKDF-Expand-Label(packet_number_secret,
+                        "QUIC packet sequence gap", sequence, 4)

"keyed hash" isn't really a well-formed cryptographic construct. What you want here is a PRF, and these days that typically means using HMAC (which is what HKDF is under the covers). So, if you really prefer, we could inline the HMAC expansion of HKDF-Expand-Label, but I'm not really seeing what the benefit of that is in this instance, given that, as Martin says, if we move packet protection into this document, we'll need HKDF anyway.

Jana, it might help me if it were a bit clearer about what you were optimizing for here. Any implementation of this document is going to need HKDF (and even if you were to swap out TLS, it's quite likely you would end up using HKDF), so it's not really implementation complexity, so is it just that you don't like having a citation to some construct exposed by TLS? If so, that seems like something we can deal with much later in the document cycle if we still feel that way.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closes #121. 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Closes #121.

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We might keep this open if we think that tracking the TLS work in the form of an issue is the right thing to do, but I'm going to close this for now. Reopen if you disagree.

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Closed #134.

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I would like to be able to say "Prior to " here, but we can add that if/once Google switches to implementing the IETF protocol. Closes #51. Again. ----==_mimepart_590aaa379e336_f57b3f8c7b9a5c30488d1-- From nobody Wed May 3 21:14:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C9FF1294E0 for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 21:14:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w1nXbcOqdp7M for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 21:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0A3D129B43 for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 21:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 21:14:41 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1493871281; bh=5IyWo654apSNDJHkP6Gho7KiX/Ex6hyunnjqCYrZkVc=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=0Aa9NDu4SNtwLLknlIy1pO2lO3nzUNUNPoBWI5MyfY5p6s3VjU8BBL1phHYe0GEO6 IA7RzMRr06Kq8F6z0U5nSLJJhiaht2gBB4XoyA6XdtW9WU0nsM0IGNA7YWJCloKaMQ lFe44j9VQ0brVBWbiuqSQNPQJZpgqamg3Dgyr/nc= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Mention GQUIC versions (#499) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590aaab155004_3f273f7f028f3c3c1204f5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 May 2017 04:14:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590aaab155004_3f273f7f028f3c3c1204f5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This should help avoid the case where people reuse the numbers that Google are currently using. I would like to be able to say "Prior to " here, but we can add that if/once Google switches to implementing the IETF protocol. Closes #51. Again. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/499 -- Commit Summary -- * Mention GQUIC versions -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (3) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/499.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/499.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/499 ----==_mimepart_590aaab155004_3f273f7f028f3c3c1204f5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This should help avoid the case where people reuse the numbers that Google are
currently using.

I would like to be able to say "Prior to " here, but we can add that
if/once Google switches to implementing the IETF protocol.

Closes #51. Again.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/499

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In dealing with #497, I expected that it would be possible to reject initial
packets that are too small. I also expected that you could reject packets that
weren't of the right type. However, in order to be able to do that we would
have to create a minimum size requirement for all QUIC versions, and make the
packet types (or at least some of them) version independent also.

That seemed unwise so instead I just described a couple of corner cases. Short
header packets get thrown away, as do packets that are too small.

Closes #497.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/500

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  • Cover some corner cases in version negotiation

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Based on experience with TLS, there can be real burden for those implementations just implementing an AEAD correctly over large records. This setting would allow an absurdly constrained device some defense against peers who might otherwise send jumbo packets. After all, jumbo packets can be more efficient. No real consensus for this yet, just a proof that it is possible. Closes #383. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/501 -- Commit Summary -- * Limit the size of packets -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (10) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/501.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/501.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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This is primarily for constrained implementations. Based on experience with
TLS, there can be real burden for those implementations just implementing an
AEAD correctly over large records. This setting would allow an absurdly
constrained device some defense against peers who might otherwise send jumbo
packets. After all, jumbo packets can be more efficient.

No real consensus for this yet, just a proof that it is possible.

Closes #383.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/501

Commit Summary

  • Limit the size of packets

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----==_mimepart_590ab25884856_3f993ff9b665fc3010649c-- From nobody Wed May 3 21:54:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B9E1129B39 for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 21:54:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.397 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.397 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n3lenl3QlSjc for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 21:54:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33D64129B64 for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 21:54:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=SjHoIlnByUQ18uPSf5FCgbV/8DA=; b=eywGVBfFtZq+4UlI A4Mb+Q+b7LQvre6dfixNCUk8354DaN+pWm62e3qshL+fjzwtI1Sr1mJtcUvGEN0G CJiylyWszLVlozby239q7Cc+VT/uA/XwQWxiLaSh3gyLlWDkRH18C5rirql7II3+ 7h/+xfti/21Y+ns1pKneiIc1f7s= Received: by filter0793p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0793p1mdw1-23638-590AB3FA-36 2017-05-04 04:54:19.013153098 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id XcvFnFLdQ--N_Oiaiss3CQ for ; Thu, 04 May 2017 04:54:18.940 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 21:54:18 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Long and short packet type 00? (#487) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590ab3fad0768_44cc3f8ea88b7c2c3088f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1vmJpXMsDZJEoO4lOE2FDpp/VmN+R6/HcTST z7cn7MK/yDaUFuKduREH6GyJ/IZFFNqKScigZJcTLmiu/Wxz+d3uFGJSjVxbDkBJtFWsPjbCXUGWdt 5AIophxU7f2tdb/qtE+IjFXsrze4ZlajQze/+LC/V58+Xf4CGJrFl8Q4e/wI+8UvHqeksKHGW95f1v E= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 May 2017 04:54:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590ab3fad0768_44cc3f8ea88b7c2c3088f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think that we want to reserve these. Nor do I think that it needs special mention. We just decided not to use them. I hear that there are some deployments that route a packet containing a zero octet at the front to other places. I don't think that we need to endorse that sort of behaviour, but avoiding `00` is cheap. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/487#issuecomment-299096805 ----==_mimepart_590ab3fad0768_44cc3f8ea88b7c2c3088f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't think that we want to reserve these. Nor do I think that it nee= ds special mention. We just decided not to use them.

I hear that there are some deployments that route a packet containing a = zero octet at the front to other places. I don't think that we need to end= orse that sort of behaviour, but avoiding 00 is cheap.

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= ----==_mimepart_590ab70770f3c_1ce13fd692d6bc3c1700fe-- From nobody Wed May 3 22:29:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8103A129401 for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 22:29:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.496 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.496 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rj5rR99BrEVT for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 22:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7553312751F for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 22:29:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=j5FS9VDqn8S6Aje8Tv9+ZzqK0AA=; b=JEUEDtXmNRS8jMaO A1W+jp7+ezFna6E6rIpRP6FJm6jD0RuKMnmUGwWeUCq71kt+TLZQk4Gtr5/tPpBo ynlEFWlQ+5BdWc8qAt87/1zqRh3okRepXLvdLCYDclBKPgWDeW3VI7eLjvNEAy9K p7xUJAMpjxrnUu9i7gZOIs3DOYA= Received: by filter0972p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0972p1mdw1-3023-590ABC26-1A 2017-05-04 05:29:10.444913154 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 9Utulr4USW6UMf8HpmIXyg for ; Thu, 04 May 2017 05:29:10.427 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 22:29:10 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rename connection id (#502) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590abc264c587_4c7c3fedf27f1c30323b0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3454A6eNpmvyam4hiNRx2Z/GzS5exfbrj2/C SsJk69YNjEpFG8ttI6atMO/7Sm7iE+zgFYK+BRKqo9OIzf2yhSvuTe57EkVEy1UJRCn7++fwu5IKuF 0sKSZKA9vvo4gsuh57auHXSkvr5cbhzqaRAKcN5+XLb1p6VPMXF01F0f5AmOygo7fi2FU2FeJEWBF8 4= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 May 2017 05:29:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590abc264c587_4c7c3fedf27f1c30323b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @britram points out that this ceased to be an identifier some time ago. That doesn't mean that the name needs to change. We all seem capable of dealing with this minor disconnect, after all. But we might want to at least consider giving some thought to finding a more appropriate name. This is bike shed territory. I expect that editors will ultimately have to exercise discretion. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/502 ----==_mimepart_590abc264c587_4c7c3fedf27f1c30323b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@britram points out that this ceased to be an identifier some time ago. That doesn't mean that the name needs to change. We all seem capable of dealing with this minor disconnect, after all. But we might want to at least consider giving some thought to finding a more appropriate name.

This is bike shed territory. I expect that editors will ultimately have to exercise discretion.

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Well, those deployments are going to have an issue if we ever assign packet type 00. Hence it may be better to reserve? (Or are these deployments also using a custom QUIC version?)

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----==_mimepart_590ac6a32975f_36fc3fb07c0a5c3c71066-- From nobody Wed May 3 23:35:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E7E1293E3 for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 23:34:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iYXUngh_UaLN for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 23:34:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E35F12954B for ; Wed, 3 May 2017 23:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 23:34:52 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1493879692; bh=N3zGrubtMAO7vSdgJdp4AS5vNwvQBJy5UfLDHU5Vvxo=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=CLXUwbkJqBWMptsMKe34s09jhENjIMl7xh66lV0jbjPBOneQjo3mYYJIWAHhanf+I OnatduEPL7CL+cPdxdtCsg5F7PiqytpV+xx7oEAjB4qM4sHOOvlKyG3MvblRSg2R6K YFSau3zlZLUnZvVDXQe8RAPpeqNfGB0DJ0wjz/48= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Invert connection ID (#493) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590acb8c7e9bf_51e73fbf6cbffc3c281d3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 May 2017 06:34:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590acb8c7e9bf_51e73fbf6cbffc3c281d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. I really like this set of changes! It does streamline things quite a bit. A few comments inline. > +needs to be able recover the hash of the ClientHello and its length, plus any +information it needs in order to reconstruct the HelloRetryRequest. + + +### Sending HelloRetryRequest + +A server does not need to maintain state for the connection when sending a +HelloRetryRequest message. This might be necessary to avoid creating a denial +of service exposure for the server. However, this means that information about +the transport will be lost at the server. This includes the stream offset of +stream 0, the packet number that the server selects, and any opportunity to +measure round trip time. + +A server MUST send a TLS HelloRetryRequest in a Server Stateless Retry packet. +Using a Server Stateless Retry packet causes the client to reset stream offsets +and avoids the need to commit to an initial packet number. I don't follow -- what is the client avoiding "committing" to? > +### Sending HelloRetryRequest + +A server does not need to maintain state for the connection when sending a +HelloRetryRequest message. This might be necessary to avoid creating a denial +of service exposure for the server. However, this means that information about +the transport will be lost at the server. This includes the stream offset of +stream 0, the packet number that the server selects, and any opportunity to +measure round trip time. + +A server MUST send a TLS HelloRetryRequest in a Server Stateless Retry packet. +Using a Server Stateless Retry packet causes the client to reset stream offsets +and avoids the need to commit to an initial packet number. + +A HelloRetryRequest message MUST NOT be split between multiple Server Stateless +Retry packets. This means that HelloRetryRequest is subject to the same size +constraints as a ClientHello (see {{clienthello-size}}). Huh -- perhaps this should always have been a requirement > -* Octet 0: 0x81 -* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (echoed) -* Octets 9-12: Packet Number (echoed) -* Octets 13-16: Version (echoed) -* Octets 17+: Payload +The connection ID field contains a connection ID that the client should use for suggestion: "contains a server-chosen connection ID" > -* Octet 0: 0x81 -* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (echoed) -* Octets 9-12: Packet Number (echoed) -* Octets 13-16: Version (echoed) -* Octets 17+: Payload +The connection ID field contains a connection ID that the client should use for +subsequent packets, see {{connection-id}}. + +The packet number and version fields contain the values from the client packet +that triggered the Version Negotiation packet. This allows clients some suggested reword: "The packet number and version fields echo corresponding values from the triggering client packet." > -* Octet 0: 0x81 -* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (echoed) -* Octets 9-12: Packet Number (echoed) -* Octets 13-16: Version (echoed) -* Octets 17+: Payload +The connection ID field contains a connection ID that the client should use for +subsequent packets, see {{connection-id}}. + +The packet number and version fields contain the values from the client packet +that triggered the Version Negotiation packet. This allows clients some +assurance that the server received the packet and that the Version Negotiation +packet does not contain a spoofed source address. The version negotiation packet does not contain any source address > -* Octet 0: 0x82 -* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (initial) -* Octets 9-12: Packet number -* Octets 13-16: Version -* Octets 17+: Payload +Cleartext packets all contain the current QUIC version in the version field. nit: "All cleartext packets", not "Cleartext packets all" > -Non-Final Server Cleartext packets contain: +The packet number is randomized for the Client Initial packet +({{packet-client-initial}} and the first Server Cleartext packet +({{packet-server-cleartext}}). It increases by one for each packet sent +thereafter, see {{packet-numbers}} for details. The Server Stateless Retry +packet ({{packet-server-stateless}}) contains the packet number of the packet +that it is responding to. editorial nit: move all these to the corresponding sections? I think the packet descriptions should be the place we describe type-specific details. > -The payload of a Cleartext packet consists of a sequence of frames, as described -in {{frames}}. Cleartext packets also include an integrity check, described in -{{QUIC-TLS}}. +The client populates the connection ID and packet number fields with randomly +selected values. The randomized packet number is incremented for each Just "packet number" -- If the packet number is incremented for each subsequent packet, it's not randomized. > -The payload of a Cleartext packet consists of a sequence of frames, as described -in {{frames}}. Cleartext packets also include an integrity check, described in -{{QUIC-TLS}}. +The client populates the connection ID and packet number fields with randomly +selected values. The randomized packet number is incremented for each +subsequent packet (see {{packet-numbers}}). + +The payload of a Client Initial packet consists of a STREAM frame (or frames) +for stream 0 containing a cryptographic handshake message, plus PADDING frames +that increase the size of the packet to a minimum size (see {{packetization}}). "to larger than a minimum size" ? > -The payload of a Cleartext packet consists of a sequence of frames, as described -in {{frames}}. Cleartext packets also include an integrity check, described in -{{QUIC-TLS}}. +The client populates the connection ID and packet number fields with randomly +selected values. The randomized packet number is incremented for each +subsequent packet (see {{packet-numbers}}). + +The payload of a Client Initial packet consists of a STREAM frame (or frames) +for stream 0 containing a cryptographic handshake message, plus PADDING frames +that increase the size of the packet to a minimum size (see {{packetization}}). + +The client uses the Client Initial Packet type for any packet that contains an +initial cryptographic handshake message. This includes all cases where a new +packet containing the initial cryptographic message needs to be created, either +in response to a Version Negotiation packet, in response to a stateless retry missing "or" > +packet containing the initial cryptographic message needs to be created, either +in response to a Version Negotiation packet, in response to a stateless retry +({{packet-server-stateless}}). + + +### Server Stateless Retry Packet {#packet-server-stateless} + +A Server Stateless Retry packet has a type octet of 0x83. It carries +cryptographic handshake messages and acknowledgments. It is used by a server +that wishes to perform a stateless retry (see {{stateless-retry}}). + +The connection ID field in a Server Stateless Retry packet contains a server +selected value, see {{connection-id}}. + +The packet number contains the packet number from the packet that caused it to +be sent. This allows a client to verify that the server received its packet. Reword this sentence. Perhaps "The packet number field echoes the packet number of the triggering client packet." > +be sent. This allows a client to verify that the server received its packet. + +After receiving a Server Stateless Retry packet, the next cryptographic +handshake message MUST be sent by the client on stream 0 at an offset of 0. The +client discards any buffers it uses for generating retransmissions of handshake +data and effectively starts the connection anew, keeping only the cryptographic +handshake state. The cryptographic handshake is continued, but the transport +connection is reset. Continuing the cryptographic handshake is necessary to +ensure that an attacker cannot force a downgrade of any cryptographic +parameters. + +The client constructs a new Client Cleartext packet +({{packet-client-cleartext}}) for subsequent cryptographic handshake messages. + +The payload of this packet contains STREAM frames and could contain PADDING and +ACK frames. Swap the order of these last two paragraphs, since "this packet" is ambiguous in this last para, and since the note about Client Cleartext packet fits just before the next section. > + +The client constructs a new Client Cleartext packet +({{packet-client-cleartext}}) for subsequent cryptographic handshake messages. + +The payload of this packet contains STREAM frames and could contain PADDING and +ACK frames. + + +### Client Cleartext Packet {#packet-client-cleartext} + +A Client Cleartext packet has a type octet of 0x84 and is sent when the client +has received a packet from the server, which will be either a Server Cleartext +packet or a Version Negotiation packet. + +The connection ID field in a Client Cleartext packet contains a connection ID +that was selected by the server (see {{connection-id}}). reword: "The connection ID in a Client Cleartext packet is the server-selected one from the server packet." > +The payload of this packet contains STREAM frames and could contain PADDING and +ACK frames. If this packet is sent in response to a Version Negotiation +({{packet-version}}) or Server Stateless Retry packet +({{packet-server-stateless}}), it MUST be padded to the minimum packet size for This should be the same size as the Client Initial packet, otherwise the packet may not get through, due to path MTU. > -A first octet of 0x85 indicates a 0-RTT packet. After the 1-RTT keys are -established, key phases are used by the QUIC packet protection to identify the -correct packet protection keys. The initial key phase is 0. See {{QUIC-TLS}} for -more details. +The connection ID field in a Server Cleartext packet contains a connection ID +that is chosen by the server (see {{connection-id}}). "The connection ID in a Server Cleartext packet is chosen by the server, and it is used by both the server and the client in subsequent packets." IIUC, the connection ID MUST be the same as in the client packet when sent in response to a Client Cleartext packet, and MUST be server chosen when sent in response to an Initial Client packet. If so, I would clarify that here. > -A first octet of 0x85 indicates a 0-RTT packet. After the 1-RTT keys are -established, key phases are used by the QUIC packet protection to identify the -correct packet protection keys. The initial key phase is 0. See {{QUIC-TLS}} for -more details. +The connection ID field in a Server Cleartext packet contains a connection ID +that is chosen by the server (see {{connection-id}}). + +The payload of this packet contains STREAM frames and could contain PADDING and +ACK frames. + + +## Encrypted Packets {#packet-encrypted} + +Packets that are protected with 0-RTT packets are sent with long headers. typo: 0-RTT keys, not packets > -established, key phases are used by the QUIC packet protection to identify the -correct packet protection keys. The initial key phase is 0. See {{QUIC-TLS}} for -more details. +The connection ID field in a Server Cleartext packet contains a connection ID +that is chosen by the server (see {{connection-id}}). + +The payload of this packet contains STREAM frames and could contain PADDING and +ACK frames. + + +## Encrypted Packets {#packet-encrypted} + +Packets that are protected with 0-RTT packets are sent with long headers. +Packets that are protected with 1-RTT keys MAY be sent with long headers. The +different packet types explicitly indicate the encryption level and therefore +the keys that are used to remove packet protection. "to remove packet protection" --> "for decryption"? > + +Packets that are protected with 0-RTT packets are sent with long headers. +Packets that are protected with 1-RTT keys MAY be sent with long headers. The +different packet types explicitly indicate the encryption level and therefore +the keys that are used to remove packet protection. + +Packets protected with 0-RTT keys use a type octet of 0x85. The connection ID +field for a 0-RTT packet is selected by the client, unless the client has +received a packet from the server. The client can send 0-RTT packets after +having received a packet from the server if that packet does not complete the +handshake. If the client has received a packet, it MAY update the connection ID +it uses for 0-RTT packets. + +Packets protected with 1-RTT keys use a type octet of 0x86 for key phase 0 and +0x87 for key phase 1; see {{QUIC-TLS}} for more details on the use of key +phases. The connection ID field for these packet types contains the value "MUST contain" > @@ -642,27 +708,27 @@ TODO: Details to be added. ## Connection ID {#connection-id} -QUIC connections are identified by their 64-bit Connection ID. All long headers -contain a Connection ID. Short headers indicate the presence of a Connection ID -using the CONNECTION_ID flag. When present, the Connection ID is in the same +QUIC connections are identified by their 64-bit Connection ID. All long headers +contain a Connection ID. Short headers indicate the presence of a Connection ID +using the CONNECTION_ID flag. When present, the Connection ID is in the same nit: extra whitespace after period in 3 sentences above. > @@ -1131,7 +1197,34 @@ version negotiation occurred but it would have selected a different version based on the value of the supported_versions list. -## Proof of Source Address Ownership {#source-address-token} +## Stateless Retries {#stateless-retry} + +A server can process a the initial cryptographic handshake messages from a typo: "a the" > +A server can process a the initial cryptographic handshake messages from a +client without committing any state. This allows a server to perform address +validation ({{address-validation}}, or to defer connection establishment costs. + +In order to ensure consistent state regarding stream offsets and packet numbers, +a server that generates a response to an initial packet without retaining +connection state MUST use the Server Stateless Retry packet +({{packet-server-stateless}}). This packet causes a client to reset the state +of stream 0 and continue the connection attempt with fresh stream state while +maintaining the state of the cryptographic handshake. + +A server that sends a Server Stateless Retry packet is then not obligated to +ensure that it correctly accounts for data already sent on stream 0 either by +both itself or by the client. Similarly, a server also does not have to +remember a randomized initial packet number: the Server Stateless Retry packet +includes a copy of the packet number from the client packet. Why's the randomized initial number stored in the cookie? Since this is effectively a new connection, the client could use a completely new random packet number, no? > +In order to ensure consistent state regarding stream offsets and packet numbers, +a server that generates a response to an initial packet without retaining +connection state MUST use the Server Stateless Retry packet +({{packet-server-stateless}}). This packet causes a client to reset the state +of stream 0 and continue the connection attempt with fresh stream state while +maintaining the state of the cryptographic handshake. + +A server that sends a Server Stateless Retry packet is then not obligated to +ensure that it correctly accounts for data already sent on stream 0 either by +both itself or by the client. Similarly, a server also does not have to +remember a randomized initial packet number: the Server Stateless Retry packet +includes a copy of the packet number from the client packet. + +A server MUST NOT send multiple Server Stateless Retry packets in response to a +client handshake packet. Thus, any cryptographic handshake message that is used +MUST fit within a single packet. nit: "that is used" --> "that is sent" -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/493#pullrequestreview-36168899 ----==_mimepart_590acb8c7e9bf_51e73fbf6cbffc3c281d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

I really like this set of changes! It does streamline things quite a bit. A few comments inline.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +needs to be able recover the hash of the ClientHello and its length, plus any
+information it needs in order to reconstruct the HelloRetryRequest.
+
+
+### Sending HelloRetryRequest
+
+A server does not need to maintain state for the connection when sending a
+HelloRetryRequest message.  This might be necessary to avoid creating a denial
+of service exposure for the server.  However, this means that information about
+the transport will be lost at the server.  This includes the stream offset of
+stream 0, the packet number that the server selects, and any opportunity to
+measure round trip time.
+
+A server MUST send a TLS HelloRetryRequest in a Server Stateless Retry packet.
+Using a Server Stateless Retry packet causes the client to reset stream offsets
+and avoids the need to commit to an initial packet number.

I don't follow -- what is the client avoiding "committing" to?

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +### Sending HelloRetryRequest
+
+A server does not need to maintain state for the connection when sending a
+HelloRetryRequest message.  This might be necessary to avoid creating a denial
+of service exposure for the server.  However, this means that information about
+the transport will be lost at the server.  This includes the stream offset of
+stream 0, the packet number that the server selects, and any opportunity to
+measure round trip time.
+
+A server MUST send a TLS HelloRetryRequest in a Server Stateless Retry packet.
+Using a Server Stateless Retry packet causes the client to reset stream offsets
+and avoids the need to commit to an initial packet number.
+
+A HelloRetryRequest message MUST NOT be split between multiple Server Stateless
+Retry packets.  This means that HelloRetryRequest is subject to the same size
+constraints as a ClientHello (see {{clienthello-size}}).

Huh -- perhaps this should always have been a requirement

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-* Octet 0: 0x81
-* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (echoed)
-* Octets 9-12: Packet Number (echoed)
-* Octets 13-16: Version (echoed)
-* Octets 17+: Payload
+The connection ID field contains a connection ID that the client should use for

suggestion: "contains a server-chosen connection ID"

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-* Octet 0: 0x81
-* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (echoed)
-* Octets 9-12: Packet Number (echoed)
-* Octets 13-16: Version (echoed)
-* Octets 17+: Payload
+The connection ID field contains a connection ID that the client should use for
+subsequent packets, see {{connection-id}}.
+
+The packet number and version fields contain the values from the client packet
+that triggered the Version Negotiation packet.  This allows clients some

suggested reword: "The packet number and version fields echo corresponding values from the triggering client packet."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-* Octet 0: 0x81
-* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (echoed)
-* Octets 9-12: Packet Number (echoed)
-* Octets 13-16: Version (echoed)
-* Octets 17+: Payload
+The connection ID field contains a connection ID that the client should use for
+subsequent packets, see {{connection-id}}.
+
+The packet number and version fields contain the values from the client packet
+that triggered the Version Negotiation packet.  This allows clients some
+assurance that the server received the packet and that the Version Negotiation
+packet does not contain a spoofed source address.

The version negotiation packet does not contain any source address

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-* Octet 0: 0x82
-* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (initial)
-* Octets 9-12: Packet number
-* Octets 13-16: Version
-* Octets 17+: Payload
+Cleartext packets all contain the current QUIC version in the version field.

nit: "All cleartext packets", not "Cleartext packets all"

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Non-Final Server Cleartext packets contain:
+The packet number is randomized for the Client Initial packet
+({{packet-client-initial}} and the first Server Cleartext packet
+({{packet-server-cleartext}}).  It increases by one for each packet sent
+thereafter, see {{packet-numbers}} for details.  The Server Stateless Retry
+packet ({{packet-server-stateless}}) contains the packet number of the packet
+that it is responding to.

editorial nit: move all these to the corresponding sections? I think the packet descriptions should be the place we describe type-specific details.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The payload of a Cleartext packet consists of a sequence of frames, as described
-in {{frames}}.  Cleartext packets also include an integrity check, described in
-{{QUIC-TLS}}.
+The client populates the connection ID and packet number fields with randomly
+selected values.  The randomized packet number is incremented for each

Just "packet number" -- If the packet number is incremented for each subsequent packet, it's not randomized.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The payload of a Cleartext packet consists of a sequence of frames, as described
-in {{frames}}.  Cleartext packets also include an integrity check, described in
-{{QUIC-TLS}}.
+The client populates the connection ID and packet number fields with randomly
+selected values.  The randomized packet number is incremented for each
+subsequent packet (see {{packet-numbers}}).
+
+The payload of a Client Initial packet consists of a STREAM frame (or frames)
+for stream 0 containing a cryptographic handshake message, plus PADDING frames
+that increase the size of the packet to a minimum size (see {{packetization}}).

"to larger than a minimum size" ?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The payload of a Cleartext packet consists of a sequence of frames, as described
-in {{frames}}.  Cleartext packets also include an integrity check, described in
-{{QUIC-TLS}}.
+The client populates the connection ID and packet number fields with randomly
+selected values.  The randomized packet number is incremented for each
+subsequent packet (see {{packet-numbers}}).
+
+The payload of a Client Initial packet consists of a STREAM frame (or frames)
+for stream 0 containing a cryptographic handshake message, plus PADDING frames
+that increase the size of the packet to a minimum size (see {{packetization}}).
+
+The client uses the Client Initial Packet type for any packet that contains an
+initial cryptographic handshake message.  This includes all cases where a new
+packet containing the initial cryptographic message needs to be created, either
+in response to a Version Negotiation packet, in response to a stateless retry

missing "or"

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +packet containing the initial cryptographic message needs to be created, either
+in response to a Version Negotiation packet, in response to a stateless retry
+({{packet-server-stateless}}).
+
+
+### Server Stateless Retry Packet {#packet-server-stateless}
+
+A Server Stateless Retry packet has a type octet of 0x83.  It carries
+cryptographic handshake messages and acknowledgments.  It is used by a server
+that wishes to perform a stateless retry (see {{stateless-retry}}).
+
+The connection ID field in a Server Stateless Retry packet contains a server
+selected value, see {{connection-id}}.
+
+The packet number contains the packet number from the packet that caused it to
+be sent.  This allows a client to verify that the server received its packet.

Reword this sentence. Perhaps "The packet number field echoes the packet number of the triggering client packet."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +be sent.  This allows a client to verify that the server received its packet.
+
+After receiving a Server Stateless Retry packet, the next cryptographic
+handshake message MUST be sent by the client on stream 0 at an offset of 0.  The
+client discards any buffers it uses for generating retransmissions of handshake
+data and effectively starts the connection anew, keeping only the cryptographic
+handshake state.  The cryptographic handshake is continued, but the transport
+connection is reset.  Continuing the cryptographic handshake is necessary to
+ensure that an attacker cannot force a downgrade of any cryptographic
+parameters.
+
+The client constructs a new Client Cleartext packet
+({{packet-client-cleartext}}) for subsequent cryptographic handshake messages.
+
+The payload of this packet contains STREAM frames and could contain PADDING and
+ACK frames.

Swap the order of these last two paragraphs, since "this packet" is ambiguous in this last para, and since the note about Client Cleartext packet fits just before the next section.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+The client constructs a new Client Cleartext packet
+({{packet-client-cleartext}}) for subsequent cryptographic handshake messages.
+
+The payload of this packet contains STREAM frames and could contain PADDING and
+ACK frames.
+
+
+### Client Cleartext Packet {#packet-client-cleartext}
+
+A Client Cleartext packet has a type octet of 0x84 and is sent when the client
+has received a packet from the server, which will be either a Server Cleartext
+packet or a Version Negotiation packet.
+
+The connection ID field in a Client Cleartext packet contains a connection ID
+that was selected by the server (see {{connection-id}}).

reword: "The connection ID in a Client Cleartext packet is the server-selected one from the server packet."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
+The payload of this packet contains STREAM frames and could contain PADDING and
+ACK frames.  If this packet is sent in response to a Version Negotiation
+({{packet-version}}) or Server Stateless Retry packet
+({{packet-server-stateless}}), it MUST be padded to the minimum packet size for

This should be the same size as the Client Initial packet, otherwise the packet may not get through, due to path MTU.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-A first octet of 0x85 indicates a 0-RTT packet. After the 1-RTT keys are
-established, key phases are used by the QUIC packet protection to identify the
-correct packet protection keys. The initial key phase is 0. See {{QUIC-TLS}} for
-more details.
+The connection ID field in a Server Cleartext packet contains a connection ID
+that is chosen by the server (see {{connection-id}}).

"The connection ID in a Server Cleartext packet is chosen by the server, and it is used by both the server and the client in subsequent packets."

IIUC, the connection ID MUST be the same as in the client packet when sent in response to a Client Cleartext packet, and MUST be server chosen when sent in response to an Initial Client packet. If so, I would clarify that here.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-A first octet of 0x85 indicates a 0-RTT packet. After the 1-RTT keys are
-established, key phases are used by the QUIC packet protection to identify the
-correct packet protection keys. The initial key phase is 0. See {{QUIC-TLS}} for
-more details.
+The connection ID field in a Server Cleartext packet contains a connection ID
+that is chosen by the server (see {{connection-id}}).
+
+The payload of this packet contains STREAM frames and could contain PADDING and
+ACK frames.
+
+
+## Encrypted Packets {#packet-encrypted}
+
+Packets that are protected with 0-RTT packets are sent with long headers.

typo: 0-RTT keys, not packets

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -established, key phases are used by the QUIC packet protection to identify the
-correct packet protection keys. The initial key phase is 0. See {{QUIC-TLS}} for
-more details.
+The connection ID field in a Server Cleartext packet contains a connection ID
+that is chosen by the server (see {{connection-id}}).
+
+The payload of this packet contains STREAM frames and could contain PADDING and
+ACK frames.
+
+
+## Encrypted Packets {#packet-encrypted}
+
+Packets that are protected with 0-RTT packets are sent with long headers.
+Packets that are protected with 1-RTT keys MAY be sent with long headers.  The
+different packet types explicitly indicate the encryption level and therefore
+the keys that are used to remove packet protection.

"to remove packet protection" --> "for decryption"?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+Packets that are protected with 0-RTT packets are sent with long headers.
+Packets that are protected with 1-RTT keys MAY be sent with long headers.  The
+different packet types explicitly indicate the encryption level and therefore
+the keys that are used to remove packet protection.
+
+Packets protected with 0-RTT keys use a type octet of 0x85.  The connection ID
+field for a 0-RTT packet is selected by the client, unless the client has
+received a packet from the server.  The client can send 0-RTT packets after
+having received a packet from the server if that packet does not complete the
+handshake.  If the client has received a packet, it MAY update the connection ID
+it uses for 0-RTT packets.
+
+Packets protected with 1-RTT keys use a type octet of 0x86 for key phase 0 and
+0x87 for key phase 1; see {{QUIC-TLS}} for more details on the use of key
+phases.  The connection ID field for these packet types contains the value

"MUST contain"

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -642,27 +708,27 @@ TODO: Details to be added.
 
 ## Connection ID {#connection-id}
 
-QUIC connections are identified by their 64-bit Connection ID. All long headers
-contain a Connection ID. Short headers indicate the presence of a Connection ID
-using the CONNECTION_ID flag. When present, the Connection ID is in the same
+QUIC connections are identified by their 64-bit Connection ID.  All long headers
+contain a Connection ID.  Short headers indicate the presence of a Connection ID
+using the CONNECTION_ID flag.  When present, the Connection ID is in the same

nit: extra whitespace after period in 3 sentences above.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1131,7 +1197,34 @@ version negotiation occurred but it would have selected a different version
 based on the value of the supported_versions list.
 
 
-## Proof of Source Address Ownership {#source-address-token}
+## Stateless Retries {#stateless-retry}
+
+A server can process a the initial cryptographic handshake messages from a

typo: "a the"

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +A server can process a the initial cryptographic handshake messages from a
+client without committing any state.  This allows a server to perform address
+validation ({{address-validation}}, or to defer connection establishment costs.
+
+In order to ensure consistent state regarding stream offsets and packet numbers,
+a server that generates a response to an initial packet without retaining
+connection state MUST use the Server Stateless Retry packet
+({{packet-server-stateless}}).  This packet causes a client to reset the state
+of stream 0 and continue the connection attempt with fresh stream state while
+maintaining the state of the cryptographic handshake.
+
+A server that sends a Server Stateless Retry packet is then not obligated to
+ensure that it correctly accounts for data already sent on stream 0 either by
+both itself or by the client.  Similarly, a server also does not have to
+remember a randomized initial packet number: the Server Stateless Retry packet
+includes a copy of the packet number from the client packet.

Why's the randomized initial number stored in the cookie? Since this is effectively a new connection, the client could use a completely new random packet number, no?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +In order to ensure consistent state regarding stream offsets and packet numbers,
+a server that generates a response to an initial packet without retaining
+connection state MUST use the Server Stateless Retry packet
+({{packet-server-stateless}}).  This packet causes a client to reset the state
+of stream 0 and continue the connection attempt with fresh stream state while
+maintaining the state of the cryptographic handshake.
+
+A server that sends a Server Stateless Retry packet is then not obligated to
+ensure that it correctly accounts for data already sent on stream 0 either by
+both itself or by the client.  Similarly, a server also does not have to
+remember a randomized initial packet number: the Server Stateless Retry packet
+includes a copy of the packet number from the client packet.
+
+A server MUST NOT send multiple Server Stateless Retry packets in response to a
+client handshake packet.  Thus, any cryptographic handshake message that is used
+MUST fit within a single packet.

nit: "that is used" --> "that is sent"

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They are currently using a custom version number. Note that we moved the version number field in some pretty strange ways, so those folks will have a whale of a time sorting out an upgrade path.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +needs to be able recover the hash of the ClientHello and its length, plus any
+information it needs in order to reconstruct the HelloRetryRequest.
+
+
+### Sending HelloRetryRequest
+
+A server does not need to maintain state for the connection when sending a
+HelloRetryRequest message.  This might be necessary to avoid creating a denial
+of service exposure for the server.  However, this means that information about
+the transport will be lost at the server.  This includes the stream offset of
+stream 0, the packet number that the server selects, and any opportunity to
+measure round trip time.
+
+A server MUST send a TLS HelloRetryRequest in a Server Stateless Retry packet.
+Using a Server Stateless Retry packet causes the client to reset stream offsets
+and avoids the need to commit to an initial packet number.

The server is the one that commits. The problem is that a client that receives a regular packet would expect the next regular packet to appear at the next packet number. By sending a regular packet, the server commits to that. I'll clarify.

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +### Sending HelloRetryRequest
+
+A server does not need to maintain state for the connection when sending a
+HelloRetryRequest message.  This might be necessary to avoid creating a denial
+of service exposure for the server.  However, this means that information about
+the transport will be lost at the server.  This includes the stream offset of
+stream 0, the packet number that the server selects, and any opportunity to
+measure round trip time.
+
+A server MUST send a TLS HelloRetryRequest in a Server Stateless Retry packet.
+Using a Server Stateless Retry packet causes the client to reset stream offsets
+and avoids the need to commit to an initial packet number.
+
+A HelloRetryRequest message MUST NOT be split between multiple Server Stateless
+Retry packets.  This means that HelloRetryRequest is subject to the same size
+constraints as a ClientHello (see {{clienthello-size}}).

Well, yeah :) I sort of realized that here.

Note that there is an idea floating around for a faster stateless reject. In that idea, you send a complete handshake and a session ticket, then close the connection. It allows the client to make a new connection and use 0-RTT, which is actually faster than the stateless reject we define. It's massively more costly though, and it wouldn't fit this pattern.

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A bold client *could* start a connection with a random (or if nefarious, a targeted) connection ID with a Client Cleartext packet, defeating one of the purposes of server-chosen connection IDs. I'll argue for two things to change. (i) I think we should make both the changes you propose -- that a Client Initial packet be sent right after both Version Negotiation and Stateless Retry packets. (ii) 0-RTT packets MUST contain the same connection ID as in the client's most recent handshake packet to make it possible for load balancers to work with them. With these changes, a server treats all Client Initial packets similarly, in that it responds to them with a new server-chosen connection ID. Load balancers treat all Client Initial, Client Cleartext, and 0-RTT packets as containing a client-chosen connection ID, and other packets as containing server-chosen connection IDs. One of the purposes of this change is to enable a server to direct a client towards a particular server via the connection ID in a Version Negotiation or a Stateless Retry packet. A server can still do that by generating a connection ID that it knows will hash to the right server. Basically, load balancers will use two functions for hashing connection ID -- C() to hash client-chosen connection IDs and S() for server-chosen ones. On a VN or SR packet, the server needs to generate and send a connection ID so that C(connection ID) sends the retrying client to the desired server. This allows a server to redirect while also allowing the server infrastructure to not trust that a client is doing the right thing. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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The server has no way of ensuring that the Client Cleartext packet conta= ins the server's chosen connection ID. A bold client could start a= connection with a random (or if nefarious, a targeted) connection ID with = a Client Cleartext packet, defeating one of the purposes of server-chosen c= onnection IDs.

I'll argue for two things to change. (i) I think we should make both the= changes you propose -- that a Client Initial packet be sent right after bo= th Version Negotiation and Stateless Retry packets. (ii) 0-RTT packets MUST= contain the same connection ID as in the client's most recent handshake pa= cket to make it possible for load balancers to work with them.

With these changes, a server treats all Client Initial packets similarly= , in that it responds to them with a new server-chosen connection ID. Load = balancers treat all Client Initial, Client Cleartext, and 0-RTT packets as = containing a client-chosen connection ID, and other packets as containing s= erver-chosen connection IDs.

One of the purposes of this change is to enable a server to direct a cli= ent towards a particular server via the connection ID in a Version Negotiat= ion or a Stateless Retry packet. A server can still do that by generating a= connection ID that it knows will hash to the right server. Basically, load= balancers will use two functions for hashing connection ID -- C() to hash = client-chosen connection IDs and S() for server-chosen ones. On a VN or SR = packet, the server needs to generate and send a connection ID so that C(con= nection ID) sends the retrying client to the desired server. This allows a = server to redirect while also allowing the server infrastructure to not tru= st that a client is doing the right thing.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-* Octet 0: 0x81
-* Octets 1-8: Connection ID (echoed)
-* Octets 9-12: Packet Number (echoed)
-* Octets 13-16: Version (echoed)
-* Octets 17+: Payload
+The connection ID field contains a connection ID that the client should use for
+subsequent packets, see {{connection-id}}.
+
+The packet number and version fields contain the values from the client packet
+that triggered the Version Negotiation packet.  This allows clients some
+assurance that the server received the packet and that the Version Negotiation
+packet does not contain a spoofed source address.

heh, oops

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Non-Final Server Cleartext packets contain:
+The packet number is randomized for the Client Initial packet
+({{packet-client-initial}} and the first Server Cleartext packet
+({{packet-server-cleartext}}).  It increases by one for each packet sent
+thereafter, see {{packet-numbers}} for details.  The Server Stateless Retry
+packet ({{packet-server-stateless}}) contains the packet number of the packet
+that it is responding to.

Done, it got complicated, then I wasn't sure about duplication...

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+The client constructs a new Client Cleartext packet
+({{packet-client-cleartext}}) for subsequent cryptographic handshake messages.
+
+The payload of this packet contains STREAM frames and could contain PADDING and
+ACK frames.
+
+
+### Client Cleartext Packet {#packet-client-cleartext}
+
+A Client Cleartext packet has a type octet of 0x84 and is sent when the client
+has received a packet from the server, which will be either a Server Cleartext
+packet or a Version Negotiation packet.
+
+The connection ID field in a Client Cleartext packet contains a connection ID
+that was selected by the server (see {{connection-id}}).

That seems worse, I've gone with: "The connection ID field in a Client Cleartext packet contains a server-selected connection ID, see {{connection-id}}." Less detail, less cumbersome.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
+The payload of this packet contains STREAM frames and could contain PADDING and
+ACK frames.  If this packet is sent in response to a Version Negotiation
+({{packet-version}}) or Server Stateless Retry packet
+({{packet-server-stateless}}), it MUST be padded to the minimum packet size for

OK, so technically the text I have would allow it to be reduced in size as long as it was still above the protocol-defined minimum. I think that's OK.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-A first octet of 0x85 indicates a 0-RTT packet. After the 1-RTT keys are
-established, key phases are used by the QUIC packet protection to identify the
-correct packet protection keys. The initial key phase is 0. See {{QUIC-TLS}} for
-more details.
+The connection ID field in a Server Cleartext packet contains a connection ID
+that is chosen by the server (see {{connection-id}}).

Yeah, I was finagling a little here. If we go with the change I suggested, that will be a moot point. The server can pick a new one here too.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -established, key phases are used by the QUIC packet protection to identify the
-correct packet protection keys. The initial key phase is 0. See {{QUIC-TLS}} for
-more details.
+The connection ID field in a Server Cleartext packet contains a connection ID
+that is chosen by the server (see {{connection-id}}).
+
+The payload of this packet contains STREAM frames and could contain PADDING and
+ACK frames.
+
+
+## Encrypted Packets {#packet-encrypted}
+
+Packets that are protected with 0-RTT packets are sent with long headers.
+Packets that are protected with 1-RTT keys MAY be sent with long headers.  The
+different packet types explicitly indicate the encryption level and therefore
+the keys that are used to remove packet protection.

decryption is too imprecise unfortunately, this is the term we use in TLS because it is what an AEAD does

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -642,27 +708,27 @@ TODO: Details to be added.
 
 ## Connection ID {#connection-id}
 
-QUIC connections are identified by their 64-bit Connection ID. All long headers
-contain a Connection ID. Short headers indicate the presence of a Connection ID
-using the CONNECTION_ID flag. When present, the Connection ID is in the same
+QUIC connections are identified by their 64-bit Connection ID.  All long headers
+contain a Connection ID.  Short headers indicate the presence of a Connection ID
+using the CONNECTION_ID flag.  When present, the Connection ID is in the same

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +A server can process a the initial cryptographic handshake messages from a
+client without committing any state.  This allows a server to perform address
+validation ({{address-validation}}, or to defer connection establishment costs.
+
+In order to ensure consistent state regarding stream offsets and packet numbers,
+a server that generates a response to an initial packet without retaining
+connection state MUST use the Server Stateless Retry packet
+({{packet-server-stateless}}).  This packet causes a client to reset the state
+of stream 0 and continue the connection attempt with fresh stream state while
+maintaining the state of the cryptographic handshake.
+
+A server that sends a Server Stateless Retry packet is then not obligated to
+ensure that it correctly accounts for data already sent on stream 0 either by
+both itself or by the client.  Similarly, a server also does not have to
+remember a randomized initial packet number: the Server Stateless Retry packet
+includes a copy of the packet number from the client packet.

Right, the text says that the server does not have to remember the packet number, see earlier discussion.

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----==_mimepart_590ada5d96992_22213faf2fd37c3c6321-- From nobody Thu May 4 01:41:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0BA128796 for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 01:41:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rdqeMsOB3LFE for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 01:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B89D9129BCD for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 01:41:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=cPZ7FzqCMNbQp03DZY/91LDq2zE=; b=gRCzBtzTpNtIh3eB FaMW1Aoz7W0hEYgZjfLBq5SwPGTFx6bnrfiIKCP3/EBtDq3rzfqSmaqLqlaxtgtI ljUhjeUtNOKNoM6OQ0wTqRwYca+AQITuwK2n2b0HBo8iG4HNv0GmozUUKBW+mGhe 9bixVL8DwFNhLYEP+rDE8GaxtAs= Received: by filter0609p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0609p1mdw1-23980-590AE931-65 2017-05-04 08:41:21.832925959 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id ZtcT559TSMeC7_DN9euUUA for ; Thu, 04 May 2017 08:41:21.786 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 04 May 2017 01:41:21 -0700 From: Brian Trammell Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rename connection id (#502) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590ae931a22b4_38b73fb8d4f15c30927ad"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: britram X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2muFCIuNazJvX7GNRlqZ0veD5k/g6G7wV0N2 6yBHz+6w01xTEor87vxcEm4HTZJj2b27ooOMRJiuc3glA5sPp3vw102joioFMxDsIdRZvVHIqv2qyy uadxZgoady/JXWsFCTDhTqLBvgXMx6ZRDWWweMwrOG3uIejExNsAlChBQM5GSN/85MesrOzgxBvX88 k= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 May 2017 08:41:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590ae931a22b4_38b73fb8d4f15c30927ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Either way. I decided to mention it after a discussion with a student here = doing some implementation. His design showed evidence of confusion about wh= at this value was for, an effect of taking the implication of identifier se= mantics as literal and ironclad. This is editorial, a document usability issue, but I think we have an oppor= tunity here to influence the kinds of errors that will come up in implement= ations from the document. > On 04 May 2017, at 07:29, Martin Thomson wrote: >=20 > @britram points out that this ceased to be an identifier some time ago. T= hat doesn't mean that the name needs to change. We all seem capable of deal= ing with this minor disconnect, after all. But we might want to at least co= nsider giving some thought to finding a more appropriate name. >=20 > This is bike shed territory. I expect that editors will ultimately have t= o exercise discretion. >=20 > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you were mentioned. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread. >=20 --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/502#issuecomment-299127602= ----==_mimepart_590ae931a22b4_38b73fb8d4f15c30927ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Either way. I decided to mention it after a discussion with a student here = doing some implementation. His design showed evidence of confusion about wh= at this value was for, an effect of taking the implication of identifier se= mantics as literal and ironclad.

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The idea here is, in summary: * Client Initial packets are always a complete reset, always contain a ClientHello, are always padded to the minimum size, and include a randomized packet number (except for retransmissions). STREAM frames in these packets always start at an offset of 0, even if the cryptographic handshake is continued. There can only be one of these packets. The server can propose a new connection ID in response to one of these packets (giving the server up to three re-routing options). * Server Stateless Retry packets cause the client to start over, retaining only cryptographic handshake state. There can only be one of these packets in a flight. This includes a server-proposed connection ID and an echo of the client packet number. This is because the server can't be expected to remember what it chose when it sends subsequent packets. * Version Negotiation packets also cause a reset. This has the same rules for connection ID and packet number as the Server Stateless Retry. * Client Cleartext and Server Cleartext contain the other handshake messages. These aren't really special in any way. 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@martinthomson pushed 3 commits.

  • 4ccdbe8 Tidy up grammar
  • ef61357 Jana's review comments
  • 93d4eaa Reset more completely for stateless retry and version negotiation

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----==_mimepart_590b0933bdef0_6ffc3fc95b517c3c191728-- From nobody Thu May 4 07:41:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1DF129B59 for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 07:41:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.397 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.397 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WuJmPNzQ7VP9 for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 07:41:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABDCC129B2F for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 07:41:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=0Iu3Jp1oDc5hwR/2t+nwNfkJlkY=; b=E3MsfGAHntKTRrN1 iDlqsm3zG3dutV0pc27JM4tcCFkQzn7LWAdr4t8+o8vLNQb93elOaTqKBIuzC/SC CI5/y8AY/dn/RAs5qVSQ2WzlhhI7cQJYyAlVNOgM4mpYQWRBwMkyboxSVDsCNUIN K/8fKk08tqmuw/rrduGWCPoksro= Received: by filter0800p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0800p1mdw1-13115-590B3D89-58 2017-05-04 14:41:13.540806155 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id mApG2kTXTjiWyqTBArmd9Q for ; Thu, 04 May 2017 14:41:13.516 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 04 May 2017 07:41:13 -0700 From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] MAX_DATA frame minor typo (#503) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590b3d8935d72_61f13fc77b59bc30287b8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2Br9bpwZo3xX8kqEjrX39obEaVHblcpc/ipF /nUMWi1ug7vmOPxpYrQqMwzwppWVoeBPuNR+3cZtFJBn0kL4D+tc/WU39b51tKKqlLvn/2vhy2Os5g 13WwdkHtuliZshvc2LzLdPw4HNR0T2mo2S4fq/Lkrw6rOzXvrAR4neaAQdNIzTuMIhg85o/iIa+TAT 4= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 May 2017 14:41:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590b3d8935d72_61f13fc77b59bc30287b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Align with the language use in MAX_STREAM_DATA You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/503 -- Commit Summary -- * MAX_DATA frame minor typo -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (2) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/503.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/503.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/503 ----==_mimepart_590b3d8935d72_61f13fc77b59bc30287b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Align with the language use in MAX_STREAM_DATA

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----==_mimepart_590b3d8935d72_61f13fc77b59bc30287b8-- From nobody Thu May 4 09:41:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033E1129436 for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 09:41:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kECh7c66mEQG for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 09:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext8.iad.github.net [192.30.252.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 571EA1286CA for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 09:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 04 May 2017 09:40:58 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1493916058; bh=61QHwLGKQua7gkGgy6yEgB1gZozjeLGd3rDwvKIxfcY=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=kYAyZjF6ze3W+34fxDXkXyKaTp9sMiVYSahvzExb9Do4KaiLX96gLZnUU5QuVVylh lK+MnWkB3b/ZGn2Onq90likWSB5iqQOdoXh4ffOtfsD5vrwtdLYOhdCKZvM0X+mMGj 9XNTES0oryiIHCUrjZd91HdFmXuwxnPCs5UvfMqc= From: "Benjamin M. Schwartz" Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Guidance for port number use (#495) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590b599a65933_35443fa6ce9b5c30715f1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: bemasc X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 May 2017 16:41:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590b599a65933_35443fa6ce9b5c30715f1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > There are now quite a few protocols that rely on mapping from a name to a URL using .well-known, which wouldn't work for QUIC without a well-known port. In a way we would be strengthening our reliance on our fallback protocol if we insist on randomizing. Could you give an example? Most .well-known uses I know of already have a port in addition to the name. Also, we could require SRV records when using QUIC in contexts where the port is unknown. > it would be good to understand what perceived benefits derive from that. For someone looking to use other ports, more use of non-443 ports might be good, but it's rare that the need is "use a particular port number" as opposed to something else. Understanding what that something else might be would probably help. Needs I perceive: * Run a server as non-root without making clients do something unusual and poorly supported. IMHO, requiring privilege to run an HTTP server (on port 80 or 443) has been a nontrivial cause of vulnerabilities in low-budget webservers. Running HTTP on other ports is possible, but is not well-supported by clients (e.g. users can't just type a domain name into a URL bar). * Do P2P QUIC without fighting network ossification. P2P QUIC could be useful for WebRTC-like applications, which will necessarily run on high-numbered ports. Keeping those flows identical to client-server QUIC would help us avoid the kind of ossification that required awful workarounds in WebRTC, like ssltcp and TURN-TLS candidates. * Multihosting QUIC on IPv4 without SNI. Making the port a first-class component of any QUIC address would give CDNs the option to offer each customer an isolated 3-tuple (IP, UDP, port) for QUIC serving, avoiding reliance on SNI (at least in QUIC). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/495#issuecomment-299241456 ----==_mimepart_590b599a65933_35443fa6ce9b5c30715f1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

There are now quite a few protocols that rely on mapping from a name t= o a URL using .well-known, which wouldn't work for QUIC without a well-kn= own port. In a way we would be strengthening our reliance on our fallback= protocol if we insist on randomizing.

Could you give an example? Most .well-known uses I know of already ha= ve a port in addition to the name. Also, we could require SRV records wh= en using QUIC in contexts where the port is unknown.

it would be good to understand what perceived benefits derive from tha= t. For someone looking to use other ports, more use of non-443 ports migh= t be good, but it's rare that the need is "use a particular port number" = as opposed to something else. Understanding what that something else migh= t be would probably help.

Needs I perceive:

  • Run a server as non-root without making clients do something unusual = and poorly supported. IMHO, requiring privilege to run an HTTP server (o= n port 80 or 443) has been a nontrivial cause of vulnerabilities in low-b= udget webservers. Running HTTP on other ports is possible, but is not we= ll-supported by clients (e.g. users can't just type a domain name into a = URL bar).
  • Do P2P QUIC without fighting network ossification. P2P QUIC could be= useful for WebRTC-like applications, which will necessarily run on high-= numbered ports. Keeping those flows identical to client-server QUIC woul= d help us avoid the kind of ossification that required awful workarounds = in WebRTC, like ssltcp and TURN-TLS candidates.
  • Multihosting QUIC on IPv4 without SNI. Making the port a first-clas= s component of any QUIC address would give CDNs the option to offer each = customer an isolated 3-tuple (IP, UDP, port) for QUIC serving, avoiding r= eliance on SNI (at least in QUIC).

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Run a server as non-root....

This is a separate issue again. By using Alt-Svc to find the HTTP/QUIC = endpoint, we're still requiring that the authoritative server be on TCP 80 or 443. Which means you still need whatever privileges ar= e required to do that, at least on the authoritative endpoint. Sure, you c= an run alternatives with less privilege, but that doesn't help the "vulnera= bilities in low-budget webservers."

Multihosting QUIC on IPv4 without SNI....

This seems already achieved by your pull request. By highlighting that = the alternative can be on any port, the CDN is free to use ports however it= wants, including handing out individual ports to individual origins. Of c= ourse, there's the grease piece of this, in that if it's not actively exerc= ised, it's unlikely to keep working, so someone should start doing= this early.

Do P2P QUIC without fighting network ossification.

This, to me, is the big argument for a "SHOULD randomize" suggestion for= server operators.

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While I like this point with my RTCWEB chair hat on:

"Do P2P QUIC without fighting network ossification. P2P QUIC could be = useful for WebRTC-like applications, which will necessarily run on high-n= umbered ports. Keeping those flows identical to client-server QUIC would = help us avoid the kind of ossification that required awful workarounds in= WebRTC, like ssltcp and TURN-TLS candidates."

It makes my ACME chair hat hurt me because I think it might make const= ructing a challenge using QUIC very difficult to get right. With the Alt= -Svc approach and HTTP, you will get the authoritative server options bas= ed on the control of TCP 443, so you can finesse it here. But it may be = less easy to finesse with other protocols using QUIC.

@bif= urcation can you take a look at this?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -642,27 +708,27 @@ TODO: Details to be added.
 
 ## Connection ID {#connection-id}
 
-QUIC connections are identified by their 64-bit Connection ID. All long headers
-contain a Connection ID. Short headers indicate the presence of a Connection ID
-using the CONNECTION_ID flag. When present, the Connection ID is in the same
+QUIC connections are identified by their 64-bit Connection ID.  All long headers
+contain a Connection ID.  Short headers indicate the presence of a Connection ID
+using the CONNECTION_ID flag.  When present, the Connection ID is in the same

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The case I'm familiar with is not a QUIC version but a different protoco= l that uses 00 in the first octet on the same port (443) as a classifier. S= ince it's specific to a listener on port 443 that receives this other proto= col and also QUIC packets, it's easier to avoid 00. In general, my thinking= is that 00 is always special to someone, and avoiding 00 in the first octe= t may be good sense.

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... and rolled back.

Version negotiation has a bunch of properties that make upgrading a cluster of servers a non-trivial task. If you accept that changes to nodes will happen piecemeal, then you can end up in a situation where some part of the cluster supports a higher version than the rest. This suggests a two-stage roll-out for new versions. We should write that down.

@mirjak, I don't know if you want to take this on in the manageability document. That might be a good place for this sort of discussion.

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----==_mimepart_590bbd03cd446_48bb3f851ebafc38793ac-- From nobody Thu May 4 16:46:09 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20CFD129789 for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 16:46:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.183 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.183 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p02w2F2JVXXM for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 16:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 98F8912956B for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 16:46:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=IkvJo5rKySAuL0qMQxDbozAMci4=; b=K4NoZOyOvzONG51d Rolh7C2jETK2StzOyXyZ07LYPYHmO/tkN/9u7qjEfRy6QPvL1xmuDJYeLEhYjVT2 seEr1nV+3D4DnpbF3zcQUdMZEL0CS0AnpLKM9b1q/TgyCAVAIhta0A+cA3K+lnme 00e2KThD9zIkwRM2Kx9Sbj3Ve5Q= Received: by filter0500p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0500p1mdw1-12655-590BBD3C-18 2017-05-04 23:46:04.429518017 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id cHo4rkl6TPqVg4DDY8AdwA for ; Thu, 04 May 2017 23:46:04.388 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 04 May 2017 16:46:04 -0700 From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Simultaneous connection migration (#490) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590bbd3c4a17c_68ac3f90e267dc2c33757"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0BMcgbYLT6KWz3yurL08CooWZe3dFqNXrCy0 XTo1MctN2Qiff3q1F5Kbv+vrB18+xxugqfkcJ418n61mFnFkv5h0L3Qq2e//qMawWm83Te7wf02s+U bCHWszfJ9qsX50bcKI2oUtrO5bx1EI5slJz0JhAbBgT7QGGQlFZCEKy8RpUmcCELO/8wKtk01JI1LD c= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 May 2017 23:46:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590bbd3c4a17c_68ac3f90e267dc2c33757 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah -- so you're assuming that the peer has stopped listening on the previous port. Sure, that case won't work at all. But the case where both endpoints choose to use a new port while being able to "drain" the old one is possible to do simultaneous migration with. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/490#issuecomment-299339092 ----==_mimepart_590bbd3c4a17c_68ac3f90e267dc2c33757 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ah -- so you're assuming that the peer has stopped listening on the prev= ious port. Sure, that case won't work at all. But the case where both endpo= ints choose to use a new port while being able to "drain" the old one is po= ssible to do simultaneous migration with.

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That's incorrect. Google QUIC versions are in the "experimental space"= , and basically occupy the space covered by the ASCII value of the four c= hars "QXXX", where X is a digit. This is a non-contiguous space, but it s= quarely falls within experimental, so I don't think we should document it= in the spec, but only on the wiki.

I just checked the wiki, and that's incorrect too. I'm fixing that.

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Why do we need a notice about Google QUIC versions in the draft? They fi= t in the experimental version space (by design), and are now listed on the = wiki. As Google goes through them, old versions won't need to be listed. Th= ey don't conflict with the space carved out for IETF work.

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Fixed the wiki.

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----==_mimepart_590bce21b17c0_300a3f8b5b159c3c13916e-- From nobody Thu May 4 18:01:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA63C128BA2 for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 18:01:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.255 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.255 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eK5JbrbQGUqF for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 18:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A1FD128BBB for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 18:01:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=V89o5SDXr9WqkBNqVUwZgz3u7Tc=; b=oQNxc18YbQZSMsvE TZG+7weM73GHRVmDROOzsZ1kj34aGcoN5dRF/y795xcexrsfWa9VqryhTazb9L22 PKHRapzGE9A1YSShSfWnC5Dy0MzyjjWicChK60sQEX1MbVz467ovVC3GkyhrFrTM hXS631LZ/N7EQ5yJPPREPRMQQfg= Received: by filter0979p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0979p1mdw1-11152-590BCEFD-70 2017-05-05 01:01:49.990656405 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id BdkoYryPTT2F-IyWcNIWoQ for ; Fri, 05 May 2017 01:01:50.012 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 04 May 2017 18:01:49 -0700 From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC version number scheme (#51) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590bcefde1bb4_37f93f8b5b159c3c10515a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1k5PLk7fzZ0CgCKIMOZSM4nH+rhqI26fySfF Fj0NRtte3sfvFHdm7IhYjJqELldAsVgBuGbbJgf1hpm9fOKM99FB/mZmPjynKFsPtDcfqSzUr4ZeRd vtzVMnoyUhBWyvS6LBfJpwksaP3zOqHRC6oMaOfHHW4xVi2sckDF1TonqQ== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 01:01:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590bcefde1bb4_37f93f8b5b159c3c10515a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Because it makes life clearer for people trying to understand how the world works. What's your objection? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/51#issuecomment-299348161 ----==_mimepart_590bcefde1bb4_37f93f8b5b159c3c10515a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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All we need to say is that a Version Negotiation packet is sent in response to only a Long Form packet. The rest of it is unnecessary.

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All we need to say is that a Version Negotiation packet is sent in res= ponse to only a Long Form packet. The rest of it seems unnecessary, since= it's really not easy to detect a handshake packet: a client could just b= e sending a full-sized packet with a long header mid-connection.

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This is mostly editorial work, but there's an addition that I recommend. To avoid packets getting dropped in the network later in a connection, all packets in a connection MUST be no larger than the first packet in the connection.

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----==_mimepart_590bd4d4beeee_3f83f8097d97c347397b-- From nobody Thu May 4 18:28:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C92731250B8 for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 18:28:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jo3ZtABFx8CP for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 18:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext4.iad.github.net [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D2CE126557 for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 18:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 04 May 2017 18:28:02 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1493947682; bh=YWtHLwkky5XOjJOJ8N0Jh6+wgO7ZCJZ3YTitD4dQRas=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=gAZDEcA6Imo6cCHDuL5zXH0gojbFA4kJQL42q+aC257YK4opufKsUlU1fqJqO4gDO 1wMSqjJ46zrV3iGt4knoqeFaDYpmZZQt9bUGiOR4yy9L6TIQMwty8FwJOuI9Sfd9jJ RNPk9qYvQ8sAe8iPiHcfLjeeokBmQopPU5EhavVc= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Guidance for port number use (#495) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590bd5226f870_2d63ff8bf477c3052565"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 01:28:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590bd5226f870_2d63ff8bf477c3052565 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @hardie hit on an issue that I thought about a bit, but as long as we go to TCP first, I can't see QUIC having any role here. The URI scheme kinda determines that. This is why I understand why @MikeBishop wants to mint a new scheme, but it doesn't make me any more inclined to think that it will succeed. As for running services on ports <1024, as long as you have root access once, it's possible to run a userland service, see https://serverfault.com/a/112798 for example. Most servers use setuid() instead, of course. That suggests to me that issues with running as root is completely workable from a security perspective. The ossification question seems to be the most relevant question. I agree with Ted about the value for WebRTC in having an unmodified protocol. Though we might find some of the mechanisms we build are duplicative and so we have to disable certain things (consent to send is pretty tightly integrated into WebRTC; we have very little of that in QUIC now, but probably will build *something*). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/495#issuecomment-299350939 ----==_mimepart_590bd5226f870_2d63ff8bf477c3052565 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@hardie hit on an issue that I thought about a bit, but as long as we go to TC= P first, I can't see QUIC having any role here. The URI scheme kinda det= ermines that. This is why I understand why @MikeBishop wants to mint a new s= cheme, but it doesn't make me any more inclined to think that it will suc= ceed.

As for running services on ports <1024, as long as you have root ac= cess once, it's possible to run a userland service, see https://serverfault.com/a/112798 for exam= ple. Most servers use setuid() instead, of course. That suggests to me = that issues with running as root is completely workable from a security p= erspective.

The ossification question seems to be the most relevant question. I a= gree with Ted about the value for WebRTC in having an unmodified protocol= . Though we might find some of the mechanisms we build are duplicative a= nd so we have to disable certain things (consent to send is pretty tightl= y integrated into WebRTC; we have very little of that in QUIC now, but pr= obably will build something).

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I'll admit to not having encountered this problem. What do you think Connection ID is?

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If you make before break, this might work. You would need a = trigger to cause the other side to start using the new address, which I d= on't think that we have. It might be possible for a client to receive pa= ckets from a different remote address and start sending on that address, = but how does it decide to switch over? That suggests a new signal of som= e sort, which costs. Also, many firewalls and NATs will stomp on packets= from a new address, which would prevent spontaneous migrations at the se= rver side.

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I'm not convinced there's a need. QUIC is pretty complex; I would argue = that severely constrained implementations that can't do AEAD over 1280 byte= s are unlikely to do QUIC.

TLS doesn't have the luxury of saying this, since it has to work for eve= ry lightbulb.

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----==_mimepart_590bd767464ff_710a3ff4ff8c5c3811473f-- From nobody Thu May 4 18:39:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C940D1250B8 for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 18:39:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.396 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.396 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qDik3RHCoEwf for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 18:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4AF30120046 for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 18:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 04 May 2017 18:39:09 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1493948349; bh=MAJSTf3XcMs0Go1qm2kzwpZYrtbaAN83TR97MhtB/zc=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=C/X44ggRQmqqbbtsJ4Jek4vwvcWL2+7tw3bzDm2kbT/grPDGC89dDwHJUJGw9a6qA EcXKs8hYZCKDj8S/RohqU6EvkjcRE6X0jUmIdBI3J+Bz1068yUYRtzoTsw9KDfSkm9 kyUetVEDSSs+u8GDHA6BF7lxQKdlP10R/SMaJEaU= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Limit the size of packets (#501) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590bd7bda5bcb_70f3ff432337c309427a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 01:39:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590bd7bda5bcb_70f3ff432337c309427a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hq is certainly quite complex, but is QUIC really that complex if you pare it down? It's not that much more complicated than TLS and TCP. I wouldn't be so presumptive about what can and cannot be done. Also, @hardie was so kind as to point me at [RFC 2675](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2675), which suggests that 64k isn't the outer limit on packet size. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/501#issuecomment-299351997 ----==_mimepart_590bd7bda5bcb_70f3ff432337c309427a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

hq is certainly quite complex, but is QUIC really that complex if you = pare it down? It's not that much more complicated than TLS and TCP. I w= ouldn't be so presumptive about what can and cannot be done. Also, @hardie was s= o kind as to point me at = RFC 2675, which suggests that 64k isn't the outer limit on packet siz= e.

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Yep, this would seem to contradict what we've already decided. Also, it's hardly editorial.

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I think that the connection ID is just something you put in a p= acket that allows it to end up in the right place. Other people attribute = greater stability and significance to it. That is that it identifies the c= onnection. It doesn't.

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I don't think we need to be documenting this. The implications to QUIC a= re straightforward -- a client receives a version negotiation packet -- but= that's already expected. It's up to server deployments to figure out if th= is is cost they care to fix via more process for upgrades. Besides, differe= nt server deployments already have their own processes.

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We agreed to list experimental versions in the wiki. Are we listing them in the draft as well?

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I think that experimental versions that have been widely deployed probably make sense to be in the draft. Again, what's your objection?

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That the versions are changing, and the "widely deployed ones" today won= 't be around within a month or so? We have this list on the wiki, which is = where all other experimental versions will live.

Again, why do we need a list in the draft when the process was to list e= xperimental versions on the wiki?

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= ----==_mimepart_590bdae0478ff_26a93ff4ff8c5c38132931-- From nobody Thu May 4 18:54:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA8E128BA2 for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 18:54:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FTfXIJ3GYBSb for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 18:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext5.iad.github.net [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B923126CBF for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 18:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 04 May 2017 18:54:35 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1493949275; bh=OTAetE8TSUKjr9iSlaPMbnNCnXi+XAh8Oo0bGrVZJGw=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=mZ9Szqeo6s+ptrItYSS/bVyiPjMSliM4NUompm5zRDKChJXiSWuqrn4+X1VzpiehK LQDWZKIiOwfpONofk/iwP41sk2gpOCxbM3FaoakZEiJ5+KXqBe69baX5EgYtO611DU a6rJhVdbcVp/OwLowBB+MOUSunAcsPgeRyJD821U= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Simultaneous connection migration (#490) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590bdb5b6b0af_59b33fa7f7d71c3c95165"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 01:54:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590bdb5b6b0af_59b33fa7f7d71c3c95165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It does work. So, say both sides use a new IP to send new data, but are able to receive on the old and the new IP (because the interfaces are cellular and wifi, say, and both are active, but the devices would prefer to switch from using cellular to using wifi.) I agree that NATs are an issue, but that just means that if you're brave enough to try to do simultaneous migration, it's very unlikely to work due to NATs. Forbidding has costs -- endpoints will need to write code to disallow certain things. If they never happen, it's even worse, since it's largely unused code. If we agree that simultaneous migration doesn't hurt us, then let's leave it out. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/490#issuecomment-299353546 ----==_mimepart_590bdb5b6b0af_59b33fa7f7d71c3c95165 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It does work. So, say both sides use a new IP to send new data, but ar= e able to receive on the old and the new IP (because the interfaces are c= ellular and wifi, say, and both are active, but the devices would prefer = to switch from using cellular to using wifi.) I agree that NATs are an is= sue, but that just means that if you're brave enough to try to do simulta= neous migration, it's very unlikely to work due to NATs.

Forbidding has costs -- endpoints will need to write code to disallow = certain things. If they never happen, it's even worse, since it's largely= unused code. If we agree that simultaneous migration doesn't hurt us, th= en let's leave it out.

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= ----==_mimepart_590bdbcfc2982_6fdc3fd753ad5c2c75621-- From nobody Thu May 4 19:07:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C4C127B57 for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 19:07:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.801 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pK3_6X_9fHl6 for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 19:07:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59943126579 for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 19:07:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=RoLKft+ImLhJ33OjiZNi7UrvKuw=; b=ZZeDFvFsiNKArAHM KOjGG9OsH5YJIcqWqjLeJOBLmoEgG6N5txaEmlHT3BK1+51XkYQxqvwK1Ntsl63u YpgbWZl2Q64vdR+qxoxuoU32rv+J5ydy+xiEOSEAle9pd2M7TTQt9ghv59hzX7No AxcfzPn1cKTRpxNffQ/W4AwklGg= Received: by filter1107p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1107p1mdw1-2521-590BDE6B-59 2017-05-05 02:07:39.80775119 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id P4BM-mc4RyOGpVnxDTdY1Q for ; Fri, 05 May 2017 02:07:39.843 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 04 May 2017 19:07:39 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Simultaneous connection migration (#490) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590bde6bb9f35_1613fca336bdc34566f1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak360JFaeT/KQUHCQ4iWneojo8XkVOmP14DFX9 abJXEXcufMPyThkjaPnwGIH9RFjTBDJtMxxcujBGpw2EJCmQJNKq8f7xMkTsFNwxeJ8ndtbZhJ4hwR KvWyNkkCQdzZJdJorhKPz8ilqB5QCmV5WepsfC/Mt77Sh00llqqNoF7tUzrha9gc2jH0/tPAmxp225 M= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 02:07:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590bde6bb9f35_1613fca336bdc34566f1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I understand how new address could be used, I even understand how one peer might choose to start using a new source address. I just don't know how it might decide to start using a different remote address without first receiving packets on that address. Leaving aside the NAT thing, which I don't think you can dismiss so casually, let's look at the scenario in the simple case where all addresses are equally reachable from all others. In a simultaneous migration, you have A1->A2 simultaneous with B1->B2. As the change happens, A2 sends to B1, B2 sends to A1. How does A decide that A2 to B2 is the path it should use? To be clear, I don't think we need to forbid any of this, but if we need to make it work, that will take effort, if only to write down where it works, how, caveats, etc... -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/490#issuecomment-299354753 ----==_mimepart_590bde6bb9f35_1613fca336bdc34566f1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I understand how new address could be used, I even understand how one pe= er might choose to start using a new source address. I just don't know how= it might decide to start using a different remote address without first re= ceiving packets on that address.

Leaving aside the NAT thing, which I don't think you can dismiss so casu= ally, let's look at the scenario in the simple case where all addresses are= equally reachable from all others. In a simultaneous migration, you have = A1->A2 simultaneous with B1->B2. As the change happens, A2 sends to = B1, B2 sends to A1. How does A decide that A2 to B2 is the path it should = use?

To be clear, I don't think we need to forbid any of this, but if we need= to make it work, that will take effort, if only to write down where it wor= ks, how, caveats, etc...

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= ----==_mimepart_590bde6bb9f35_1613fca336bdc34566f1-- From nobody Thu May 4 19:12:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BAEF126CBF for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 19:12:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z7D1TlPq-126 for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 19:12:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C13151252BA for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 19:12:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=L2zk6qx4JTQKd9QKIN0U2EITDIo=; b=ClTsSNOTNgkMeATF 0HvhfZvE1cZazf8q70W0mPhep75YwIkMhbK9LzL9fDBEGRBOkv8AKEmWz04LlKVk NOHFMLWI/SaxK0JcfXVLPZTjUFm/1NUbfQsCnHnf1HeiCqV+NWQOKX5K3KFhjzlO i9wvZ7hFYH3rHkba6jz+3yPVuvk= Received: by filter0500p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0500p1mdw1-12655-590BDF91-42 2017-05-05 02:12:33.688337265 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id FWnWl76kRoSlTqal-Gb7FQ for ; Fri, 05 May 2017 02:12:33.731 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 04 May 2017 19:12:33 -0700 From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Limit the size of packets (#501) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590bdf919eeb3_2bd53fc2535d5c3c49795"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3HGpvr/VpJeqJ8oz6uYPO5oAsNv5RNo49/iR AAFMcKLM062pWFPdtdAn6t+TsmQevxfJHwxF035YQmy0x9PVRYIlVSoyUc3gZ+gwHEC6pPcfIoHCnQ x+Tn6kG2YPEIjY3MtZS6L/bMBiaM5n0lJXmwlZuEd4z+bHUAmCgDn4ffNeYW1GuPp6voYbUHwxET1n I= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 02:12:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590bdf919eeb3_2bd53fc2535d5c3c49795 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, just TLS + QUIC is more complex than TLS + TCP. Having worked on the SCTP implementation in BSD which had no hq but only transport, I can say that adding multistreaming alone adds a fair bit of complexity. (I'm talking about prod code, not a lab prototype.) It surely is possible to pare it down to the point that much of the flexibility is lost, to the point that the endpoint can't do AEAD over 1232 bytes (not 1280 bytes.) But why would one care to use QUIC at that point and not just do TCP (or even TCP over UDP)? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/501#issuecomment-299355241 ----==_mimepart_590bdf919eeb3_2bd53fc2535d5c3c49795 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, just TLS + QUIC is more complex than TLS + TCP. Having worked on th= e SCTP implementation in BSD which had no hq but only transport, I can say = that adding multistreaming alone adds a fair bit of complexity. (I'm talkin= g about prod code, not a lab prototype.)

It surely is possible to pare it down to the point that much of the flex= ibility is lost, to the point that the endpoint can't do AEAD over 1232 byt= es (not 1280 bytes.) But why would one care to use QUIC at that point and n= ot just do TCP (or even TCP over UDP)?

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@ekr: Righ= t, sorry, I misspoke. The point was to say that a client should use higher = packet sizes only if it's actively doing PMTUD. I wasn't clear in my descri= ption.

@mar= tinthomson My intent was different than the words that came out; I don'= t believe what I just clarified contradicts what we have. I've added a desi= gn label and happy to split this issue out into a separate one from the ref= actor.

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= ----==_mimepart_590be0e8140c1_4be63fd56eb9dc2c27594-- From nobody Thu May 4 19:18:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA373127419 for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 19:18:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.483 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.483 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7d6OhOCo5jUi for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 19:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6291C126CBF for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 19:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 04 May 2017 19:18:53 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1493950733; bh=tifNaKyliU+eC+aQSHoMmCwl2wNJBYcX6aVptJumwkY=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=OCTx1ueELp63VVHVtogicIshte4Zvele2SGaG9mngNa6yFibW7QwC2Th6/JbekIJu jgpyxkeqAhM3n3uW12kJDOJofgXjLPkx906Ok1EYLbG3YPSV1WT+XqjSVizWYlf3yB /F5Vtk+3YURy0wBhlLZ6gJUsMW4unDmtSpnrgIZw= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Limit the size of packets (#501) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590be10d7549f_26803fda780f1c3826412"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 02:18:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590be10d7549f_26803fda780f1c3826412 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Careful, you stand to risk undermining some of your benefits. The limit I'm more concerned about here is 64k, not 1232/1252. The protocol doesn't prevent an endpoint from sending 64k packets (or greater if you accept the possibility that someone implemented RFC 2675, which I understand is unlikely). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/501#issuecomment-299355777 ----==_mimepart_590be10d7549f_26803fda780f1c3826412 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Careful, you stand to risk undermining some of your benefits. The lim= it I'm more concerned about here is 64k, not 1232/1252. The protocol doe= sn't prevent an endpoint from sending 64k packets (or greater if you acce= pt the possibility that someone implemented RFC 2675, which I understand = is unlikely).

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There's nothing in the word "identifier" that suggests immutability or t= hat it's the only one. Connection ID identifies connection state at the end= points and the serving process at load balancers, so it'd be odd to call it= anything else.

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Ah, as long as we're not trying to forbid this I think we're on the same= page... I don't think simultaneous migrations are interesting, but I'd rat= her not spend energy on how to forbid... I'm comfortable with saying that t= hey "aren't supported", and endpoints SHOULD not attempt it.

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There's a common misconception that there is a one-to-one mapping betw= een a thing and its identifier. For instance, a legal name for a person.=

An "address" has all the properties you describe, as does a "locator".= So does an MPLS flow label. I'm not saying that these are better names= , just that there are alternatives that don't have the same baggage.

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I don't understand what you mean by "Careful, you stand to risk underm= ining some of your benefits." -- can you clarify?

Yeah, I guess the only other outcome would be that the endpoint would = drop a large packet, which is ... less than awesome. Ok.

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Yeah, the point was to ensure that an impl that doesn't do mid-connection PMTUD doesn't use an MTU larger than what was used for the first packet. Avoids surprises.

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I don't think you understand what I'm saying. My first question was "Why= do we need a notice about Google QUIC versions in the draft?" since they'r= e listed on the wiki. I haven't changed my question since you haven't answe= red it. Perhaps you believe that folks will read the draft but not the wiki= , but that's inconsistent with the plan for experimental versions.

That said, I really don't care about adding this, so I'll stop. I was re= ally sincerely trying to understand.

FWIW, arguments always need at least two people to participate. I'm not = arguing, I was actually honestly trying to understand what you gain from th= is (and I still don't get it.) Saying "Aren't there bigger things to argue = about?" doesn't move any conversation forward and risks seeming disingenuou= s.

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@larseggert suggests adding an example, which is a great idea.

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----==_mimepart_590c018ad735d_8843fea8ad97c2c487a0-- From nobody Thu May 4 21:39:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9011293E0 for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 21:39:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.254 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.254 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QnhfGvbWH8L3 for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 21:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 063B7128D6F for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 21:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 04 May 2017 21:39:22 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1493959162; bh=NmhcFoh/QmSBmgwcPzuziVoPGa7w3jqg56EH6HwuHAE=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=1MjTXzMlnoHmDu7bmhaWtP5M2q0YXtenu1SZjeABIDlgxe9gAOcxXo4bJ1EEENLAk 7r+vHAP5ZpkHaMAptBmsm7IPR3uSAU3WY8prtV9gbzS5sG5RnF6PCcJOvIBIGnpWTE uT9D/tvAAZzKWqNogTzjmGdL4F8GXQkr/5KQ4IyU= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fix up ACK frame section (#507) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590c01fa4d542_87e3fea8ad97c2c60975"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 04:39:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590c01fa4d542_87e3fea8ad97c2c60975 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - largest acked need not be > 32 bits, since Packet Number is at most 32 bits. - ditto for ack block lengths -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/507 ----==_mimepart_590c01fa4d542_87e3fea8ad97c2c60975 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
  • largest acked need not be > 32 bits, since Packet Number is at most 32 bits.
  • ditto for ack block lengths

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The CID (or actually sequence of CIDs a connection may use) identifies the connection to the endpoints - but no longer to the network. Maybe stating that somewhere would be helpful?

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So we're going to to 8/16/32 and leave the LL codepoint 11 unassigned?

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+1 to @= larseggert -- "connection ID" can tend to imply more than we mean about= what it's for.

I'm a fan of "something token" for this design pattern, person= ally: it's a thing I give you which I expect you to give me back at some po= int, there's some contract that specifies what I do for you when you give i= t back to me, but otherwise what I do with it is completely opaque to you. = I don't have any good, light-travleing suggestions for something t= hough. :/

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Why is something not connection? I think the confusion may stem from the word identifier, not the word connection.

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----==_mimepart_590c33c4a8d3c_53323fb872347c30836f6-- From nobody Fri May 5 02:00:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E61D12957C for ; Fri, 5 May 2017 02:00:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.255 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.255 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CCsMpzKX8WvL for ; Fri, 5 May 2017 02:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 634E8120727 for ; Fri, 5 May 2017 02:00:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=NtPFvZTYyoX7IpqLUTRfP9qbu+0=; b=uj78USyqSJA8rD0S qYfes+jHDlzG413OCkHBw+RQFjDLX8aHzAWctwO9pF0s3NfL3nPVPfl74wqANR4c 4jm+m3xBTIUb+yRI2/t3xA7VqxLgaUrDJZdVE7DvhJRwlOSBL8Dp74k6/Bkfv7K6 4JVs1YRvkO6a3XoxZO3+4RQemq0= Received: by filter0494p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0494p1mdw1-6539-590C3F27-7D 2017-05-05 09:00:24.009686004 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id _9kIanpYQgm4C-mr1_zwbw for ; Fri, 05 May 2017 09:00:23.907 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 02:00:23 -0700 From: Brian Trammell Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rename connection id (#502) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590c3f27cb44c_57e03fdbaf4fdc2c576a7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: britram X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak16KjyTXg10W2eglssMokGZnn/EI2TPRb8JZr xNyLg+a4uQfMj5sL1c71ZyILf670GTBBrSHWB4nwRXDek7MK+69EC6jXHPmhQKYCXVopIcfipHu/ER 1tyOHGRuxH6Go9O2S+xqkDE7IsLO58yHAxj7eK3UY95VxfUN46Yx4jQ70l3UMn9zVaNpadKq0KxZKc s= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 09:00:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590c3f27cb44c_57e03fdbaf4fdc2c576a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hm, indeed. Certainly much more confusion stems from "identifier". I'd be happy with "connection token". -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/502#issuecomment-299415935 ----==_mimepart_590c3f27cb44c_57e03fdbaf4fdc2c576a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hm, indeed. Certainly much more confusion stems from "identifier". I'd be happy with "connection token".

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Similar issue to #507: The STREAM frame still allows a 24-bit encoding of the stream ID, which I think counts as one of the odd lengths we were going to eliminate.

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I'm actually with Jana here.

If we move to a one-CID per packet, I might feel differently.

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I think that @mikkelfj has it right here, the notion that we might somehow gain = some signal from skipping packets is a roundabout way of doing this. We co= uld be far more direct and add an ARE_YOU_THERE frame. ARE_YOU_THERE would= contain some randomness and could be used to solicit a YES_I_AM frame that= echoes that randomness, thereby providing that it was successfully receive= d. We probably want that for #161 anyhow. Then we can do away with this slightly dodgy languag= e.

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Note on "doesn't have to be random". I think the term you want here is "unpredictable" or "unguessable"

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----==_mimepart_590c80334682e_13293f9d001efc30205819-- From nobody Fri May 5 07:27:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F014A12940D for ; Fri, 5 May 2017 07:27:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.801 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zfa73E9-crtu for ; Fri, 5 May 2017 07:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87CD0128B4E for ; Fri, 5 May 2017 07:27:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=xEMLt+d0NxnO13g1iQxuJchs5EM=; b=rB8hXue5yllmO3Fg GDjawUbwyeEofbHgX8zTa++AUlACfa4mPd774fsJ6iMMTFdXdJwUopgikwVRhwAy BMYUwBJF+tn2HWT35yySAZ/9S4sGMFeAQgHcrqpBdcLvWoUsmHP+50Mr8TjGdXxr YQzzxKL3JT4CILlIe+yO2DaoAtM= Received: by filter0556p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0556p1mdw1-5859-590C8BAB-22 2017-05-05 14:26:51.224016591 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id y5moD6NoSGWOOcK7_2BhlA for ; Fri, 05 May 2017 14:26:51.232 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 07:26:51 -0700 From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Invert connection ID (#493) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590c8bab1fafb_35f33facf3fd7c3c35336"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0P0hHmNLLbL4s2RjR9gQVD9u5aFRzTifJFu+ QcA1no3DRZu7ZFPEy7E7QCIInH07HqDmFaQfE7xpM5DjFGKr7D0Om8Qqy8wDpyNkZVsLqQYCYjA63r n/xemw1DlSmwQ8V0IQrEV14/Wkq+KR6uDA1gO/jzalCv4Y47NKJYO/+dS1XSLOoPtmoajP+Y5xYM7L c= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 14:27:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590c8bab1fafb_35f33facf3fd7c3c35336 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I must admit that I am not aware of all the details influencing how the connection id is being used, but I had this idea: What if each endpoint is allowed to choose their own connection id and stick it? This would mean that packets send from client to server would use one ID, and packets sent from server to client would use another ID. This will impact middle boxes, but not necessarily in a bad way. Although this is not the original intent for the connection ID such a design would make it possible to remove IP and UDP headers on custom networks, such as IoT mesh networks. Here the connection ID would be the routable address. That would not work without a notion of direction with the shared connection ID. Wrt. rotating connection ID, it could be required that an endpoint does not start using a new ID before a frame has been ack'ed in which the transtion from old to new ID has been communicated - with special handling for initial setup where server echoes inital client ID in early packets. If this ACK is not used, an end-point may have to cache data until it can make an association from old to new data and this could be abused. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/493#issuecomment-299479343 ----==_mimepart_590c8bab1fafb_35f33facf3fd7c3c35336 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I must admit that I am not aware of all the details influencing how the = connection id is being used, but I had this idea:

What if each endpoint is allowed to choose their own connection id and s= tick it? This would mean that packets send from client to server would use = one ID, and packets sent from server to client would use another ID. This w= ill impact middle boxes, but not necessarily in a bad way.

Although this is not the original intent for the connection ID such a de= sign would make it possible to remove IP and UDP headers on custom networks= , such as IoT mesh networks. Here the connection ID would be the routable a= ddress. That would not work without a notion of direction with the shared c= onnection ID.

Wrt. rotating connection ID, it could be required that an endpoint does = not start using a new ID before a frame has been ack'ed in which the transt= ion from old to new ID has been communicated - with special handling for in= itial setup where server echoes inital client ID in early packets. If this = ACK is not used, an end-point may have to cache data until it can make an a= ssociation from old to new data and this could be abused.

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= ----==_mimepart_590c8e934d341_74143ff2dfd3fc2c19679b-- From nobody Fri May 5 10:54:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9C7D129B0F for ; Fri, 5 May 2017 10:54:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.397 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.397 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e3iK0EIKoyme for ; Fri, 5 May 2017 10:54:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59416124E15 for ; Fri, 5 May 2017 10:54:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=mY9BveSd8p0PNS/ANafCPTrn188=; b=w/lk4y4Hi+WYPHSI 7uc8hI74mWKWdnTlHbsowWuHreFmZ1e3ZwkD52bLyrtM+qjut4DhVOzlqn8lRBhH /lDwoUg71vszdEhCdVqESZfRutKC/6mDgSg0kL4waoFhZZ9uedLY/X2wASsSEbcj bwLGJWqLlvm/pg92cIgLA2cyBsw= Received: by filter0910p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0910p1mdw1-28431-590CBC45-4B 2017-05-05 17:54:13.608201245 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id UT1I4vo0TFqe1WCojodpGg for ; Fri, 05 May 2017 17:54:13.483 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 10:54:13 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Transport shouldn't be cancelling streams (#485) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590cbc4558cff_354f3fcfc346bc3464336"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0aqvPCqLJkE9T7S4+dlNlUNtxQt8kw8sBmGc OvYK+y1wzdbcqorpj0dRMGWNwuQpQb0avH2YX5KhxdlEskUsqR99qttNrh4rXrV7qTmrNgGAQmiOUU chjeuwnsiLLycOeRbczK2JCIdjFPqlMbDx+qW+2WdND37IIPAa5/vdl89VTP9DtEQ+9YN5mrkb8U6z s= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 17:54:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590cbc4558cff_354f3fcfc346bc3464336 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The hazard with that split is that it also quietly eliminates the ability to consider a stream (application) error as fatal to the connection. If you send me malformed HTTP frames, I might want to stop talking to you. If application errors *can't* go in the CONNECTION_CLOSE, then I can't communicate why. On the other hand, if we leave them partitioned with the app at the low end, we could say that only app codes can be in RST_STREAM and that frame has a smaller error space as a result. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/485#issuecomment-299532245 ----==_mimepart_590cbc4558cff_354f3fcfc346bc3464336 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The hazard with that split is that it also quietly eliminates the abilit= y to consider a stream (application) error as fatal to the connection. If = you send me malformed HTTP frames, I might want to stop talking to you. If= application errors can't go in the CONNECTION_CLOSE, then I can't= communicate why.

On the other hand, if we leave them partitioned with the app at the low = end, we could say that only app codes can be in RST_STREAM and that frame h= as a smaller error space as a result.

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(1) In the initial client packet, this field doesn't "identify" a connec= tion; it's basically just a nonce.

(2) Server-chosen connection IDs don't actually identify connections eit= her; they contain client-opaque information that can be used by the server = or server-adjacent forwarding devices for whatever purpose the server sees = fit. This is more a token than an identifier.

Connection IDs also protect us from NAT rebinding, precisely because the= y identify the connection independent of the 4-tuple.

I agree it would be clear to name the client-originated connection ID so= mething else (do we need this nonce at all?) but we would have to take care= that no other mechanism (e.g. public reset generation) needs something cal= led a "connection ID" from the start of the connection.

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For the time being, since it's just silly to have a largest acked of 4= 8 bits when the max packet number size is 32. The ack block lengths also = need to be fixed to at most 32 bits since if you can't use more than 32 b= its for packet number, you won't be acking > 2^32 packet ranges.

Feel free to suggest better ideas.

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= ----==_mimepart_590d23fae2473_4fb3fa577625c30137682-- From nobody Fri May 5 18:29:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723E6127871 for ; Fri, 5 May 2017 18:29:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QdxEG22hqCcy for ; Fri, 5 May 2017 18:29:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF5BF1270A7 for ; Fri, 5 May 2017 18:29:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=d7Yyp8/xtrolqQJkjCmQHrUH3E0=; b=XVxTecA/IKXhfIF8 tOF+1550kxjaHYV1JZ9V9w10R8C/09Pas3CYAqVi4N3UEN0M5vmYaCSJ1Oac4dbm i5Be8uukcNDIoVR855xUf4y3lgPxZkTWQd8uEY4oo4cXMAwTxFEuxZXBsVQnENtA wh/EAzmQhaGHr/yZu2CS7GgTnTM= Received: by filter1104p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1104p1mdw1-25764-590D26DF-3D 2017-05-06 01:29:03.331603227 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id PdpBodGSTkitkLMLPtMBdg for ; Sat, 06 May 2017 01:29:03.206 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 18:29:03 -0700 From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rename connection id (#502) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590d26df1e0b7_4f113fb46ab27c2c859aa"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak35KsnD26i9dl0fPZZMh0KRYbzGEpimSvIrKN yJOgQye96NpbgQXrfB9i5ijwlli3Rv2tQsW0qN3/Ey01C0RHHBepbNrkJWqT4oTZt22J2F82ZaXEow iBxaAkpn6IZkbdTwybqLuptOByxs1LKJcOwdC2L77oXFgDUgbL+H5RdqhK8R5lK4fqLYDYt0VSJXp8 g= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 May 2017 01:29:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590d26df1e0b7_4f113fb46ab27c2c859aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can have many identifiers for the same thing. There can't be collisions, and that's true of connection IDs. A connection ID maps to a sequence of n packets. Different folks can imagine it becoming different things. You can think of it as Blah ID (since it identifies something -- a flowlet? a packet? -- we don't know what), or Connection Blah (since it is associated with the connection, we don't know exactly how... perhaps it identifies the entire connection, perhaps it doesn't.) I think stating that it's a Connection ID, and a client MAY change it over the lifetime of a connection from none to several times is adequate signal to anyone thinking about how to use it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/502#issuecomment-299607151 ----==_mimepart_590d26df1e0b7_4f113fb46ab27c2c859aa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

You can have many identifiers for the same thing. There can't be collisi= ons, and that's true of connection IDs. A connection ID maps to a sequence = of n packets.

Different folks can imagine it becoming different things. You can think = of it as Blah ID (since it identifies something -- a flowlet? a packet? -- = we don't know what), or Connection Blah (since it is associated with the co= nnection, we don't know exactly how... perhaps it identifies the entire con= nection, perhaps it doesn't.)

I think stating that it's a Connection ID, and a client MAY change it ov= er the lifetime of a connection from none to several times is adequate sign= al to anyone thinking about how to use it.

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= ----==_mimepart_590d26df1e0b7_4f113fb46ab27c2c859aa-- From nobody Fri May 5 18:35:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCAE212783A for ; Fri, 5 May 2017 18:35:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.397 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.397 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dTKj8a_OZa83 for ; Fri, 5 May 2017 18:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 483E11270A7 for ; Fri, 5 May 2017 18:35:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=F8XJvL/3hEPRYB8D8SlmlIOnl3A=; b=Dy56PfnA0ytTd8Df AOnRthAsjyadRHYP0vGWzchewNuAP0ieoXeGfmV8Lx10YMCTH4SmV4sRBR8xDya+ MiASRmFEkWNPuR1xFLsjh64mN+mlnooic48/2ThtvUezk+p1CGKmec62f2yea6RB 6cIA6MfhgJewh9J3jakqB08tV7I= Received: by filter0896p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0896p1mdw1-18297-590D285C-13 2017-05-06 01:35:24.099319847 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id tXkoawusQBCBqt6zfT6KRw for ; Sat, 06 May 2017 01:35:24.066 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 18:35:23 -0700 From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Address change and consent to send (#161) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590d285bf05d2_54543fb46ab27c2c6822f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0d8fL35Pz3m21Tx7kRK8H2lwDmhHN/AeSzcq YOJNGiVwwbIhYM3583oaWEGDUUyYsbbBV4Egm0L/6DNzwLZxe/7Rr47p1uFBzo8de+cwKtarTEUQ9R uEMIzsjZr05Wx75zhG4bHRLDBFtB+TA8VOZ2fbvMA6qD+sBWYwvFyv8KLZl/yeUi8iUDHoyUAObtvK I= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 May 2017 01:35:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590d285bf05d2_54543fb46ab27c2c6822f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You need two things here: 1. Server adds an unpredictable jump to packet number on noticing IP change. This can still leave the client open to a large cwnd's worth of data getting dumped on a victim. So, 2. Server cuts its cwnd to min cwnd (say, 4 packets) until a packet > first_packet_sent_on_peer_address_change is acked. At that point, the IP change is verified, and the server restores the cwnd. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/161#issuecomment-299607534 ----==_mimepart_590d285bf05d2_54543fb46ab27c2c6822f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

You need two things here:

  1. Server adds an unpredictable jump to packet number on noticing IP chang= e. This can still leave the client open to a large cwnd's worth of data get= ting dumped on a victim. So,
  2. Server cuts its cwnd to min cwnd (say, 4 packets) until a packet > f= irst_packet_sent_on_peer_address_change is acked. At that point, the IP cha= nge is verified, and the server restores the cwnd.

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= ----==_mimepart_590d285bf05d2_54543fb46ab27c2c6822f-- From nobody Fri May 5 18:52:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4909C126D05 for ; Fri, 5 May 2017 18:52:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.021 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.021 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id odTpDnM75vYn for ; Fri, 5 May 2017 18:52:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CBA14127A90 for ; Fri, 5 May 2017 18:52:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=wjuKvqRyQHKUtRrzhOiqwmtMSbE=; b=WDhRSSPIDMVxs1IQ UUZQIO0aCoUbnjWdDyXVp5hRtw7wlPbupRZs4V6GU+YI9pO4HkDnzGuAJ20P+8xd bl6hJRqqd2FOADn7rLuZ668jSn95XVR/187rVLrdAU9SNwyA6WXKiFrizJ9YQ+zf m5qihB+FPOjMmUlwbgYX7CzImy8= Received: by filter0609p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0609p1mdw1-23980-590D2C29-4D 2017-05-06 01:51:37.734476656 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 3-0QMwuiTUaR28oEnmLsPQ for ; Sat, 06 May 2017 01:51:37.728 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 18:51:37 -0700 From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Packet number skipping and entropy (#305) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590d2c299bd9f_26c33f96952efc3c112236"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2dTNIolFTlClHgln3J+cqYidm9DMosPoM5QN 38A6GQNDhU0ejWfDML3/AyQKq/UUESwUU9qdt3JnkPviFHqTFFgGPMsMG/eCGsJJUqKOFJq/bB1nqb htSY4BP+DX9Ixc98VD3HNx2ZLGg14krkwmpVRDD+jjGpLTCjX6l0vbdv+329XF2hdpFNaL8mXKmipE s= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 May 2017 01:52:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590d2c299bd9f_26c33f96952efc3c112236 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You definitely do not want to disallow large gaps in sequence spaces, since large BDPs can have large gaps. QUIC packet numbers are different from TCP sequence numbers in that the receiver handles these cases, allowing servers to do interesting things with packet numbers. There are server architectures that can use this to good effect, but splitting sending of different objects over different packet number spaces. I don't see the DoS here, BTW -- this is the data receiver, meaning that it's getting data from the server. How do you DoS by adding a gap in packet number? Gaps needs to be handled at the receiver and the size of the gap does not help really, since it's not like you're allocating a bitmap for packet numbers (if you are, you really shouldn't be.) Bear in mind that any gaps that are reported or state at the receiver with a large gap in it only lasts for 1 RTT, after which the receiver can discard this state entirely. I would strongly encourage you to write code that does not assume sequential packet numbers. Sequential shoukd be the common case, but the receiver shouldn't collapse on large gaps. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/305#issuecomment-299608391 ----==_mimepart_590d2c299bd9f_26c33f96952efc3c112236 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

You definitely do not want to disallow large gaps in sequence spaces, si= nce large BDPs can have large gaps.

QUIC packet numbers are different from TCP sequence numbers in that the = receiver handles these cases, allowing servers to do interesting things wit= h packet numbers. There are server architectures that can use this to good = effect, but splitting sending of different objects over different packet nu= mber spaces.

I don't see the DoS here, BTW -- this is the data receiver, meaning that= it's getting data from the server. How do you DoS by adding a gap in packe= t number? Gaps needs to be handled at the receiver and the size of the gap = does not help really, since it's not like you're allocating a bitmap for pa= cket numbers (if you are, you really shouldn't be.) Bear in mind that any g= aps that are reported or state at the receiver with a large gap in it only = lasts for 1 RTT, after which the receiver can discard this state entirely. = I would strongly encourage you to write code that does not assume sequentia= l packet numbers. Sequential shoukd be the common case, but the receiver sh= ouldn't collapse on large gaps.

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@mar= tinthomson Using a packet number jump isn't a hack -- it's a design pri= nciple and we should use it to good effect. The packet number was designed = to be separate from everything else. The client associates no particular se= mantic with gaps -- note that the receiver does not assume anything about gaps, except that they need to be reported. Gaps are ultimately for= the sender to manage. And once the receiver is certain that the sender has= heard about the gap, it stops reporting them. All this allows a sender to = freely use packet number space in innovative ways, including this one.

Further, remember that for a DDoS towards a victim, you need a large num= ber of such connections, and the attacked has to guess the jump correctly f= or all these connections. For a large enough jump, that's diminish= ing probabilities.

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This is not what I am a saying - you can have gaps associated with the numb= er of expected packets in flight, and it can be large - but you need to all= ocated state for all these packets one way or another. Sometimes it can be = done compactly as run length encoded maps etc., but the point is that it is= bounded and controllable, and that violating sequences beyond that can eas= ily be rejected. So I am suggesting that the sender is not permitted to iss= ue unnecessary gaps. (Connection migration might be an exception). > QUIC packet numbers are different from TCP sequence numbers in that the r= eceiver handles these cases, allowing servers to do interesting things with= packet numbers. There are server architectures that can use this to good e= ffect, but splitting sending of different objects over different packet num= ber spaces. But still limited by the connection flow control window. Again I'm not argu= ing against gaps as long as all sequences are being used timely - but it is= a good point that you should not require packets to be transmitted in sequ= ence. > I don't see the DoS here, BTW -- this is the data receiver, meaning that = it's getting data from the server. You cannot make any assumptions on who is sending what, and who is hostile.= The classic http client/server model is just one use case, and even here m= assive data volumes can flow both ways. > How do you DoS by adding a gap in packet number? Gaps needs to be handled= at the receiver and the size of the gap does not help really, since it's n= ot like you're allocating a bitmap for packet numbers (if you are, you real= ly shouldn't be.) The DoS is preventable - the point is that it forces the implementation to = take preventative measures. For example some part of the Linux Kernel is us= ing an AVL tree instead of a hash (as I understand) because hash tables are= vulnerable to collision attacks. So the possibility of DoS is a burden on = quality implementations and a real concern for lesser implementations. As I= recall a study showed many vulnerabilities in DNS name lookups. The attack on a quality implementation still exists because you design data= such every packet requires a distance to the next packet. For example an b= inary search tree node typically requires 3x8 bytes, and more for interval = handling so at least 32 bytes. When ranges fall in line, a single node can = handle several sequences but if not you use that much space. For 1 million = packets in flight that is 32MB which is not enough for a serious DoS attack= , especially since the sender must provide data to feed the attack. But the= implementatation still needs to take its precautions. If you could allocat= e a bitmap for 1 million packets, you would only need 125K to track which = packets have been seen already. This also impacts cache performance and ove= rall system load. Even if the binary interval tree was lucky to handle more= dense ranges, it likely couldn't achieve the same density as a bitmap, esp= ecially if the bitmap is clustered - meaning that ranges for all ones can b= e collapsed. You can get clever and mix binary search trees and bitmaps for= arbitrary ranges, but it is much more complex and likely not done in the t= ypical implementation you will see. So overall, no it is not a DoS attack if handled correctly, but it is an ex= tra burden on the implemtation. > Bear in mind that any gaps that are reported or state at the receiver wit= h a large gap in it only lasts for 1 RTT, after which the receiver can disc= ard this state entirely. For 1 RTT you can draft a sequence space spanning 2^31 values, but you are = right that it does limit the effectiveness of an attack. And as far as I ca= n see (not 100% sure) you cannot limit this to 1 RTT because an attacker is= not required to submit timely ACKs' and the receiver cannot reasonable dis= card state after 1 RTT if it on average expects lazy ACK's. > I would strongly encourage you to write code that does not assume sequent= ial packet numbers. Sequential shoukd be the common case, but the receiver = shouldn't collapse on large gaps. Absolutely - I just saying that it would be much simpler to implement effec= tive guards when the spec provides stronger contraints on valid ranges. --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/305#issuecomment-299619140= ----==_mimepart_590d6afb5c215_1d953fa869d79c30878c3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

You definitely do not want to disallow large gaps in sequence spaces, si= nce large BDPs can have large gaps.

This is not what I am a saying - you can have gaps associated with the n= umber of expected packets in flight, and it can be large - but you need to = allocated state for all these packets one way or another. Sometimes it can = be done compactly as run length encoded maps etc., but the point is that it= is bounded and controllable, and that violating sequences beyond that can = easily be rejected. So I am suggesting that the sender is not permitted to = issue unnecessary gaps. (Connection migration might be an exception).

QUIC packet numbers are different from TCP sequence numbers in that the = receiver handles these cases, allowing servers to do interesting things wit= h packet numbers. There are server architectures that can use this to good = effect, but splitting sending of different objects over different packet nu= mber spaces.

But still limited by the connection flow control window. Again I'm not a= rguing against gaps as long as all sequences are being used timely - but it= is a good point that you should not require packets to be transmitted in s= equence.

I don't see the DoS here, BTW -- this is the data receiver, meaning that= it's getting data from the server.

You cannot make any assumptions on who is sending what, and who is hosti= le. The classic http client/server model is just one use case, and even her= e massive data volumes can flow both ways.

How do you DoS by adding a gap in packet number? Gaps needs to be handle= d at the receiver and the size of the gap does not help really, since it's = not like you're allocating a bitmap for packet numbers (if you are, you rea= lly shouldn't be.)

The DoS is preventable - the point is that it forces the implementation = to take preventative measures. For example some part of the Linux Kernel is= using an AVL tree instead of a hash (as I understand) because hash tables = are vulnerable to collision attacks. So the possibility of DoS is a burden = on quality implementations and a real concern for lesser implementations. A= s I recall a study showed many vulnerabilities in DNS name lookups.

The attack on a quality implementation still exists because you design d= ata such every packet requires a distance to the next packet. For example a= n binary search tree node typically requires 3x8 bytes, and more for interv= al handling so at least 32 bytes. When ranges fall in line, a single node c= an handle several sequences but if not you use that much space. For 1 milli= on packets in flight that is 32MB which is not enough for a serious DoS att= ack, especially since the sender must provide data to feed the attack. But = the implementatation still needs to take its precautions. If you could allo= cate a bitmap for 1 million packets, you would only need 125K to track whi= ch packets have been seen already. This also impacts cache performance and = overall system load. Even if the binary interval tree was lucky to handle m= ore dense ranges, it likely couldn't achieve the same density as a bitmap, = especially if the bitmap is clustered - meaning that ranges for all ones ca= n be collapsed. You can get clever and mix binary search trees and bitmaps = for arbitrary ranges, but it is much more complex and likely not done in th= e typical implementation you will see.

So overall, no it is not a DoS attack if handled correctly, but it is an= extra burden on the implemtation.

Bear in mind that any gaps that are reported or state at the receiver wi= th a large gap in it only lasts for 1 RTT, after which the receiver can dis= card this state entirely.

For 1 RTT you can draft a sequence space spanning 2^31 values, but you a= re right that it does limit the effectiveness of an attack. And as far as I= can see (not 100% sure) you cannot limit this to 1 RTT because an attacker= is not required to submit timely ACKs' and the receiver cannot reasonable = discard state after 1 RTT if it on average expects lazy ACK's.

I would strongly encourage you to write code that does not assume sequen= tial packet numbers. Sequential shoukd be the common case, but the receiver= shouldn't collapse on large gaps.

Absolutely - I just saying that it would be much simpler to implement ef= fective guards when the spec provides stronger contraints on valid ranges.<= /p>

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@MikeBishop, I thought of that. The application would signal its errors in the affected stream then use a new transport code (APPLICATION_ERROR) for the CONNECTION_CLOSE. Or something like that.

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Split the last acknowledged size from the block length size and find t= he points in that space that make sense, e.g.,

0 =3D the last acknowledged is 8 bits, block lengths are 8 bits
1 =3D the last acknowledged is 16 bits, block lengths are 8 bits
2 =3D the last acknowledged is 16 bits, block lengths are 16 bits
3 =3D the last acknowledged is 32 bits, block lengths are 16 bits

I can't imagine that needing to acknowledge a block of packets that is= more than 64k packets long without a single gap is very common. That's = a massive BDP with fantastic loss characteristics.

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= ----==_mimepart_590fb298a060c_5d2e3fc3b5ab7c381251f4-- From nobody Sun May 7 16:56:43 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FDAD12702E for ; Sun, 7 May 2017 16:56:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Oz-9ho-7LGxb for ; Sun, 7 May 2017 16:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9887126C83 for ; Sun, 7 May 2017 16:56:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=oZzT2JhLCEOm66wF/aNyzeefOwY=; b=SzsYXI7IfDUg8OUk Etfga5SWhDWvsMaKljUOrYIAxMtcieyIe0UNvQFRuDNTXGjT/NohhYch8zGzPQFI ntr9xIUtJwE1EgFAuEt3MqNOcLnhX+nBhqm5bJhnwGuIHRAM3SXTimPC+nJMdqlh udO99ZhnMlUvseQ6bQNmKTNB998= Received: by filter1118p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1118p1mdw1-30652-590FB438-1 2017-05-07 23:56:40.023803432 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id NHlzoasHS6uj4tngyqb5Lg for ; Sun, 07 May 2017 23:56:39.884 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 07 May 2017 16:56:39 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Address change and consent to send (#161) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590fb437c222d_3cb53fd9a2a01c3c432b9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2HZgoNqQrayd+Ub18SbDB1FgTcKjdJc6ZBcO hd2SfTNroMw3kZgi9HF70tyz6o1VCKEZCxQ2x/o/aTAD3rJcc2pOMipQpJ0KCOX4c8atVjcVnylxrb vNJd5EG6CudyhM4QUyBi9HTB2FsuhplzAb62HQVfgayKEfaXnr5DOM+pPcQ0SpoAxktYZToKMwVvug 4= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 May 2017 23:56:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590fb437c222d_3cb53fd9a2a01c3c432b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar, you are assuming that a jump in packet number is what will carry the unguessable property. I don't think that's sound. In order for the jump to be valuable, it has to be large, which leads to the packet number encoding not being big enough. The suggestion here, which I think is reasonable, is that you have an unguessable value that is sent to the endpoint that moved. Overloading packet number for this is nice in theory, and it might be the right answer in the end, but I wouldn't presume that it is the best answer. Also, you can't just "restore" the cwnd on a new path. That path might look nothing like the previous path. Unless you are also suggesting that your initial cwnd can safely be *anything* as long as you react properly, you have to allow for the possibility that the new path could be orders of magnitudes less capable than the previous path. Starting congestion control all over is probably the only sensible thing you can do. That is, you have a different congestion state for every path used. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/161#issuecomment-299745062 ----==_mimepart_590fb437c222d_3cb53fd9a2a01c3c432b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@janai= yengar, you are assuming that a jump in packet number is what will carr= y the unguessable property. I don't think that's sound. In order for the = jump to be valuable, it has to be large, which leads to the packet number e= ncoding not being big enough. The suggestion here, which I think is reason= able, is that you have an unguessable value that is sent to the endpoint th= at moved. Overloading packet number for this is nice in theory, and it mig= ht be the right answer in the end, but I wouldn't presume that it is the be= st answer.

Also, you can't just "restore" the cwnd on a new path. That path might = look nothing like the previous path. Unless you are also suggesting that y= our initial cwnd can safely be anything as long as you react prope= rly, you have to allow for the possibility that the new path could be order= s of magnitudes less capable than the previous path. Starting congestion c= ontrol all over is probably the only sensible thing you can do. That is, y= ou have a different congestion state for every path used.

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The "skip a packet number" thing as a defense against ack spoofing is kinda hacky and seems like it is going to make life difficult for us if we want to do other stuff with packet numbers. As a concrete example, if we want to use server-issued PN tokens, then the server doesn't know what you're going to skip as a client. In addition, it's a different mode the sender has to be in.

I suggest a simpler design: every ACK frame contains a 32-bit field containing the XOR of the final 4 bytes of each packet being ACKed. In the current design, these are pseudorandom as long as the content (or basically anything at all about the packetization) is at all unpredictable, because it's either ciphertext or the authentication tag. If we want, we can always add an "entropy" frame that randomizes the packet; it can be relatively short (one byte) because the combinatorics add up very quickly.

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Even the existence of an "entropy" frame would work. Also, you can randomize MAX_[STREAM_]DATA to get the same effect.

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Note: It may cost nothing, but save a large number of bits. At one STREAM frame per stream, we're still talking 16 million frames. It's hard to get excited about one byte though...

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----==_mimepart_590fbbd57f116_283e3fed95335c3044122-- From nobody Sun May 7 17:42:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D600128B8F for ; Sun, 7 May 2017 17:42:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.617 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.617 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uXpWzozd9XBI for ; Sun, 7 May 2017 17:42:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2632128A32 for ; Sun, 7 May 2017 17:42:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=JHdwFkweSMJHhmNf8VTD5m7UdCo=; b=APW9MRx367XSB4j+ 6fczm+klefNbbJBsfGo2NEwaPKsf93AitqLE+437YTAIY069UPQwa90x8hUKTsfr 5IKGkrG5xOgycQkdM8dR5yrGKPvkXxpnrsxByzHyFxcOdWWIc8HJqKiKSTN7a5UH w1GOQhCzSbKCEv4i7dtd555b1UE= Received: by filter0936p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0936p1mdw1-18684-590FBED7-4E 2017-05-08 00:41:59.822624119 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id Ci_XgGWZTuCJ1aI3UONT6Q for ; Mon, 08 May 2017 00:41:59.604 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 07 May 2017 17:41:59 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Refactor "Packetization and Reliability" section (#505) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590fbed771f26_458e3f9864d7dc3c68444"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0Jgvn6hZt56UCqPRmGKFUEd5OWoXNGPRqKIW qYmnrOQq/HCSBaLaN/0fBeiQsPk+vyn1+/zLPa+50JK8qSt4H+mu45XJFzZpR5QSCY83RqUvdEL82q vRknpssHvl7MtiRx8ZFieUQp1aKiBdeTKi3ZD8IkGBmD1iYS3B4ZSTAAf3bow9oNJd5TKAYhapmZqE U= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 May 2017 00:42:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590fbed771f26_458e3f9864d7dc3c68444 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I notice now that we're discussing what @janaiyengar intended to be a small addition and the original reason for opening this issue was a pure duplicate of #463. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/505#issuecomment-299747750 ----==_mimepart_590fbed771f26_458e3f9864d7dc3c68444 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I notice now that we're discussing what @janaiyengar intended to be a small addition and the original reason for opening this issue was a pure duplicate of #463.

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Closed #36.

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We've a lot of new text here. If there are any remaining errors, please open a new issue.

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----==_mimepart_590fc14c3ee09_23fe3f9864d7dc3c85954-- From nobody Sun May 7 17:52:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77AAF126DC2 for ; Sun, 7 May 2017 17:52:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.183 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.183 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pRWzpIU2xwRS for ; Sun, 7 May 2017 17:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 333E1120227 for ; Sun, 7 May 2017 17:52:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=j7JsaPkm7CqycwlEB3jm/UzFCCg=; b=WLRbCDzTQDKobby8 onOLcietr5sIWOUw/JOVUojpN9QK3z1kPLNE7g5LfUBXttADPzwxHN8rXYl3do9b l7CAtW3p4z0PzKCUHJoFkrU25+a/mV1SjIjl4I4woMEUz5FpvlRPw8PZ6RDMOTv7 77GME1VBfiXmR+1Iusw9vGGOe/8= Received: by filter0465p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0465p1mdw1-13222-590FC14C-2D 2017-05-08 00:52:28.467752289 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id kI0ZtBBDSwyIMFD8b5ILzw for ; Mon, 08 May 2017 00:52:28.323 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 07 May 2017 17:52:28 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Don't resend *all* packets in version negotiation (#196) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590fc14c3b48c_12a03fecca64dc2c4236b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2V3F/PrE8HXIZR8ggbPWK7Pc5BuXtr0HKyEw Nt/WobKA2LRCzROJN0i9nMDaBVc/LGPbspZ+Dzoqal1yqsmc8rZOYAdznf9eXbRHrlmPFzeX3IZ2er 6qJUcWEfYj2R4NraaJNubhFHlYyBxVJiMBZudv3+tnzJapT2gvqo5RLtDAWVGgE81iZBpEEkF0wh8e w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 May 2017 00:52:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590fc14c3b48c_12a03fecca64dc2c4236b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The new text is better: > If the server lists an acceptable version, the client selects that version and reattempts to create a connection using that version. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/196#issuecomment-299748534 ----==_mimepart_590fc14c3b48c_12a03fecca64dc2c4236b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The new text is better:

If the server lists an acceptable version, the client selects that version and reattempts to create a connection using that version.

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Or randomize the frames in the packet.

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This would be a lot easier if we did #452. 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This would be a lot easier if we did #452. Closes #198. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/510 -- Commit Summary -- * Only allow BLOCKED once per limit -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (6) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/510.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/510.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/510 ----==_mimepart_590fc4cca6597_366e3fed95335c30355c9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Getting this right is tricky because the frame can be "retransmitted" in the
event of loss, but I don't want to use the word "retransmitted". This would be
a lot easier if we did #452.

Closes #198.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/510

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  • Only allow BLOCKED once per limit

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----==_mimepart_590fcb5574127_35d23f94e31afc2c559b8-- From nobody Sun May 7 19:47:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B27126CD6 for ; Sun, 7 May 2017 19:47:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.183 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.183 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nwmGed1k-apI for ; Sun, 7 May 2017 19:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6933D1243F3 for ; Sun, 7 May 2017 19:47:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=B94KBWJzD48pQ+EKxg7uOwLvLTU=; b=BnEyGjBoPjJtqOJK 2RJWSF0oCOPzOOV9BIjgwP0EJiMY6K8TRL1k3t1GlbycTnFJ9E+oPOy7ESeJwjbP uCFxeaE0mL1orvRlkKn96YeIvJUQNh4FcVkB2ZwlAn3eQ1k9HuVx1s95JTLQnMJX /YZ/cQntQrrZRvvQ5CrTeJ6F2/A= Received: by filter0433p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0433p1mdw1-30384-590FDC34-35 2017-05-08 02:47:16.905560769 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 4uTMqUqtQeyJlm8ED2CIzg for ; Mon, 08 May 2017 02:47:16.723 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 07 May 2017 19:47:16 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Transport shouldn't be cancelling streams (#485) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_590fdc34916cd_38d63fa52c353c3c18668c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2+xR6ebgreaYLtOaQylJ+VRk5fNFpP18UgQq lRw9h6+8sZUC8cadB5J7XQzAPF4j2pvHR0PD7librcISfRaPbUgVv+dJh9501b0SBWNfaCsIBT8Z4A NG5nf761tBkGuMk6peMjOcxlVNr9xIqKm5saYRpc7JKA6KSNn5mhJh5naVhsLV9D+inOkrUyX84W4C 4= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 May 2017 02:47:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_590fdc34916cd_38d63fa52c353c3c18668c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ...without reliable delivery of said application error, no? The problem is that stream data is inherently lossy in the presence of errors. If we want to change *that*, fine, but it seems like an even bigger change. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/485#issuecomment-299760270 ----==_mimepart_590fdc34916cd_38d63fa52c353c3c18668c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

...without reliable delivery of said application error, no? The problem= is that stream data is inherently lossy in the presence of errors. If we = want to change that, fine, but it seems like an even bigger change= .

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If we create a recommendation to follow what Google already does for conection-level errors, it's not an issue. That is, they retransmit the last packet verbatim, which could include the RST_STREAM frame.

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As a side note, if we design this carefully, we basically might get mult= ipath for free. I think the important part is that we should not assume tha= t if we see a new connection ID that the old one is dead immediately. Might= be even worth it actually try and shut down the old connection ID properly= if you don't receive any new packets there for a while and see if the othe= r end of the old connection id is actually dead or might reply.

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There's more to it than that. The version doing the redirect has to adv= ertise the versions that the target node supports, even if that set differs= from its own. Including any greasing. Otherwise the handshake will fail.= That implies some amount of coordination across a server cluster.

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I'll respond on the email thread in a bit, but some comments from a re-read > -The client MUST choose a random 64-bit value and use it as the initial -Connection ID in all packets until the server replies with the final Connection -ID. The server echoes the client's Connection ID in Non-Final Server Cleartext -packets. The first Final Server Cleartext and all subsequent packets MUST use -the final Connection ID, as described in {{connection-id}}. +The packet number used for Client Initial packets is initialized with a random +value each time the new contents are created for the packet. Retransmissions of nit: drop "the" in "the new contents" > -The client MUST choose a random 64-bit value and use it as the initial -Connection ID in all packets until the server replies with the final Connection -ID. The server echoes the client's Connection ID in Non-Final Server Cleartext -packets. The first Final Server Cleartext and all subsequent packets MUST use -the final Connection ID, as described in {{connection-id}}. +The packet number used for Client Initial packets is initialized with a random +value each time the new contents are created for the packet. Retransmissions of +the packet contents increment the packet number by one, see +({{packet-numbers}}). I think we should just say that all transport state is reset on receiving a Version Negotiation or a Stateless Retry packet. That should make it possible to not have to distinguish between the packet numbers here. > + + +### Server Stateless Retry Packet {#packet-server-stateless} + +A Server Stateless Retry packet has a type octet of 0x83. It carries +cryptographic handshake messages and acknowledgments. It is used by a server +that wishes to perform a stateless retry (see {{stateless-retry}}). + +The connection ID field in a Server Stateless Retry packet contains a server +selected value, see {{connection-id}}. + +The packet number field echoes the packet number of the triggering client +packet. This allows a client to verify that the server received its packet. + +After receiving a Server Stateless Retry packet, the client MUST generate a new +Client Initial packet containing the next cryptographic handshake message. The I think we should state that the client MUST reset all connection state at this point, simplifying this description. ... and you do say it below, but I'd just say that and drop the rest of this text that describes what is reset. I would suggest adding that if a client has received an ACK frame thus far from the server, it MAY use the RTT sample to seed the new connection's RTT estimator. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I'll respond on the email thread in a bit, but some comments from a re-read

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The client MUST choose a random 64-bit value and use it as the initial
-Connection ID in all packets until the server replies with the final Connection
-ID. The server echoes the client's Connection ID in Non-Final Server Cleartext
-packets.  The first Final Server Cleartext and all subsequent packets MUST use
-the final Connection ID, as described in {{connection-id}}.
+The packet number used for Client Initial packets is initialized with a random
+value each time the new contents are created for the packet.  Retransmissions of

nit: drop "the" in "the new contents"

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The client MUST choose a random 64-bit value and use it as the initial
-Connection ID in all packets until the server replies with the final Connection
-ID. The server echoes the client's Connection ID in Non-Final Server Cleartext
-packets.  The first Final Server Cleartext and all subsequent packets MUST use
-the final Connection ID, as described in {{connection-id}}.
+The packet number used for Client Initial packets is initialized with a random
+value each time the new contents are created for the packet.  Retransmissions of
+the packet contents increment the packet number by one, see
+({{packet-numbers}}).

I think we should just say that all transport state is reset on receiving a Version Negotiation or a Stateless Retry packet. That should make it possible to not have to distinguish between the packet numbers here.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+
+### Server Stateless Retry Packet {#packet-server-stateless}
+
+A Server Stateless Retry packet has a type octet of 0x83.  It carries
+cryptographic handshake messages and acknowledgments.  It is used by a server
+that wishes to perform a stateless retry (see {{stateless-retry}}).
+
+The connection ID field in a Server Stateless Retry packet contains a server
+selected value, see {{connection-id}}.
+
+The packet number field echoes the packet number of the triggering client
+packet.  This allows a client to verify that the server received its packet.
+
+After receiving a Server Stateless Retry packet, the client MUST generate a new
+Client Initial packet containing the next cryptographic handshake message.  The

I think we should state that the client MUST reset all connection state at this point, simplifying this description. ... and you do say it below, but I'd just say that and drop the rest of this text that describes what is reset. I would suggest adding that if a client has received an ACK frame thus far from the server, it MAY use the RTT sample to seed the new connection's RTT estimator.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The client MUST choose a random 64-bit value and use it as the initial
-Connection ID in all packets until the server replies with the final Connection
-ID. The server echoes the client's Connection ID in Non-Final Server Cleartext
-packets.  The first Final Server Cleartext and all subsequent packets MUST use
-the final Connection ID, as described in {{connection-id}}.
+The packet number used for Client Initial packets is initialized with a random
+value each time the new contents are created for the packet.  Retransmissions of
+the packet contents increment the packet number by one, see
+({{packet-numbers}}).

I considered suggesting that, but there is value in retaining the RTT and you really have to retain crypto state for the Stateless Retry. I think that it is better to only reset stream 0 offset and packet numbers.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+
+### Server Stateless Retry Packet {#packet-server-stateless}
+
+A Server Stateless Retry packet has a type octet of 0x83.  It carries
+cryptographic handshake messages and acknowledgments.  It is used by a server
+that wishes to perform a stateless retry (see {{stateless-retry}}).
+
+The connection ID field in a Server Stateless Retry packet contains a server
+selected value, see {{connection-id}}.
+
+The packet number field echoes the packet number of the triggering client
+packet.  This allows a client to verify that the server received its packet.
+
+After receiving a Server Stateless Retry packet, the client MUST generate a new
+Client Initial packet containing the next cryptographic handshake message.  The

See, I think that you are getting into telling implementations what to do. A complete reset isn't necessary for interop; only those things that are listed are reset. Let's save the MUSTs for things that matter.

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Even with approval, I want to leave this until after the interim before landing, so that we can discuss it in the wider group. It's not urgent.

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+
+### Server Stateless Retry Packet {#packet-server-stateless}
+
+A Server Stateless Retry packet has a type octet of 0x83.  It carries
+cryptographic handshake messages and acknowledgments.  It is used by a server
+that wishes to perform a stateless retry (see {{stateless-retry}}).
+
+The connection ID field in a Server Stateless Retry packet contains a server
+selected value, see {{connection-id}}.
+
+The packet number field echoes the packet number of the triggering client
+packet.  This allows a client to verify that the server received its packet.
+
+After receiving a Server Stateless Retry packet, the client MUST generate a new
+Client Initial packet containing the next cryptographic handshake message.  The

Fair, perhaps the wording isn't right. How about stating that all transport state MUST be reset, but a sender MAY continue using the RTT estimate.

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The client MUST choose a random 64-bit value and use it as the initial
-Connection ID in all packets until the server replies with the final Connection
-ID. The server echoes the client's Connection ID in Non-Final Server Cleartext
-packets.  The first Final Server Cleartext and all subsequent packets MUST use
-the final Connection ID, as described in {{connection-id}}.
+The packet number used for Client Initial packets is initialized with a random
+value each time the new contents are created for the packet.  Retransmissions of
+the packet contents increment the packet number by one, see
+({{packet-numbers}}).

Also flow control state needs to be reset.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The client MUST choose a random 64-bit value and use it as the initial
-Connection ID in all packets until the server replies with the final Connection
-ID. The server echoes the client's Connection ID in Non-Final Server Cleartext
-packets.  The first Final Server Cleartext and all subsequent packets MUST use
-the final Connection ID, as described in {{connection-id}}.
+The packet number used for Client Initial packets is initialized with a random
+value each time the new contents are created for the packet.  Retransmissions of
+the packet contents increment the packet number by one, see
+({{packet-numbers}}).

Well, that follows from the reset of the stream offset.

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This means that the server that accepts 0-RTT is required to provide new transport parameters that are compatible with its previously advertised value, or reject 0-RTT. I made this easier on servers, by allowing them to advertise different transport parameters that only apply to 0-RTT. 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This means that the server that accepts 0-RTT is required to provide new transport parameters that are compatible with its previously advertised value, or reject 0-RTT. I made this easier on servers, by allowing them to advertise different transport parameters that only apply to 0-RTT. They include these values in the TLS NewSessionTicket message, alongside the ticket that is used to resume. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/512 -- Commit Summary -- * Force the server and client to remember transport parameters for 0-RTT -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (4) M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (54) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/512.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/512.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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This includes Victor's recommendation to avoid the client violating server
constraints on operation. This means that the server that accepts 0-RTT is
required to provide new transport parameters that are compatible with its
previously advertised value, or reject 0-RTT.

I made this easier on servers, by allowing them to advertise different
transport parameters that only apply to 0-RTT. They include these values in
the TLS NewSessionTicket message, alongside the ticket that is used to resume.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/512

Commit Summary

  • Force the server and client to remember transport parameters for 0-RTT

File Changes

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Victor raised the issue that there are two potential values for transport parameters if 0-RTT is accepted.

He proposes a different approach:

Instead of the current negotiation scheme outlined in the draft, I propose that
we adapt a simple scheme similar to what TLS does with cryptographic parameters
and 0-RTT:

  1. Client sends its vision of server's assumed parameters in the ClientHello,
    and is expected to follow them in 0-RTT packets.
  2. Server either accepts those parameters, or declines 0-RTT altogether,
    by discarding the 0-RTT data and following up with a full 1-RTT handshake.
    If server accepts 0-RTT, its parameters in the 1-RTT server hello cannot be
    more limited than what it accepted from the client.

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Final Server Cleartext packets, 1-RTT Encrypted packets, and all -short-header packets MUST use the final Connection ID. +When the server receives a Client Initial packet, it chooses a new value for the +connection ID and sends that in its response. The server can send a new +connection ID in any packet that is sent in response to a Client Initial packet. nit: The server can --> The server MUST -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/493#pullrequestreview-36945864 ----==_mimepart_59115b144cde4_34a93f9c1a84fc386865 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Thus, all Client Cleartext packets, 0-RTT Encrypted packets, and Non-Final
-Server Cleartext packets MUST use the client's randomly-generated initial
-Connection ID. Final Server Cleartext packets, 1-RTT Encrypted packets, and all
-short-header packets MUST use the final Connection ID.
+When the server receives a Client Initial packet, it chooses a new value for the
+connection ID and sends that in its response.  The server can send a new
+connection ID in any packet that is sent in response to a Client Initial packet.

nit: The server can --> The server MUST

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +transport parameters that the server advertises during connection establishment
+are used.
+
+A server can remember the transport parameters that it advertised, or store an
+integrity-protected copy of the values in the ticket and recover the information
+when accepting 0-RTT data.  A server uses the transport parameters in
+determining whether to accept 0-RTT data.
+
+A server MAY accept 0-RTT and subsequently provide different values for
+transport parameters for use in the new connection.  If 0-RTT data is accepted
+by the server, the server MUST NOT reduce any limits or alter any values that
+might be violated by the client with its 0-RTT data.  In particular, a server
+that accepts 0-RTT data MUST NOT set values for initial_max_data or
+initial_max_stream_data that are smaller than the remembered value of those
+parameters.  Similarly, a server MUST NOT reduce the value of
+initial_max_stream_id.

Why is this required, actually? It seems like you could say "this is what I want next time" without fear.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +transport parameters that the server advertises during connection establishment
+are used.
+
+A server can remember the transport parameters that it advertised, or store an
+integrity-protected copy of the values in the ticket and recover the information
+when accepting 0-RTT data.  A server uses the transport parameters in
+determining whether to accept 0-RTT data.
+
+A server MAY accept 0-RTT and subsequently provide different values for
+transport parameters for use in the new connection.  If 0-RTT data is accepted
+by the server, the server MUST NOT reduce any limits or alter any values that
+might be violated by the client with its 0-RTT data.  In particular, a server
+that accepts 0-RTT data MUST NOT set values for initial_max_data or
+initial_max_stream_data that are smaller than the remembered value of those
+parameters.  Similarly, a server MUST NOT reduce the value of
+initial_max_stream_id.

There's no problem with a server that allows 100KB after 1 RTT advertising 10KB initial for next time. The problem is if the client has remembered 25KB for the 0-RTT flight, and the server wants to turn it down to 10KB after 1 RTT. The goal is to say turning numbers down on a given connection is never allowed, only up.

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +transport parameters that the server advertises during connection establishment
+are used.
+
+A server can remember the transport parameters that it advertised, or store an
+integrity-protected copy of the values in the ticket and recover the information
+when accepting 0-RTT data.  A server uses the transport parameters in
+determining whether to accept 0-RTT data.
+
+A server MAY accept 0-RTT and subsequently provide different values for
+transport parameters for use in the new connection.  If 0-RTT data is accepted
+by the server, the server MUST NOT reduce any limits or alter any values that
+might be violated by the client with its 0-RTT data.  In particular, a server
+that accepts 0-RTT data MUST NOT set values for initial_max_data or
+initial_max_stream_data that are smaller than the remembered value of those
+parameters.  Similarly, a server MUST NOT reduce the value of
+initial_max_stream_id.

I got that, but my question is: why?

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  1. Clearted?

  2. I don't think the QXXX space and "lower 24 bits cleared" reconcile. Isn't it "upper 8 bits are 'Q'"?

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The client MUST choose a random 64-bit value and use it as the initial
-Connection ID in all packets until the server replies with the final Connection
-ID. The server echoes the client's Connection ID in Non-Final Server Cleartext
-packets.  The first Final Server Cleartext and all subsequent packets MUST use
-the final Connection ID, as described in {{connection-id}}.
+The packet number used for Client Initial packets is initialized with a random
+value each time the new contents are created for the packet.  Retransmissions of
+the packet contents increment the packet number by one, see
+({{packet-numbers}}).

Not for connection-level flow control. I really think the spec should say reset transport state and then suggest that it MAY carry over RTT information. Is there anything else that you want carried over?

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I think it would be clearer to simply think of transport state, including connection ID, as being entirely reset or restarted after a VN/SR, and for the server to simply state that no connection state is stored when a VN/SR packet is sent. I've left a few comments inline. > +## Stateless Retries {#stateless-retry} + +A server can process an initial cryptographic handshake messages from a client +without committing any state. This allows a server to perform address +validation ({{address-validation}}, or to defer connection establishment costs. + +In order to ensure consistent state regarding stream offsets and packet numbers, +a server that generates a response to an initial packet without retaining +connection state MUST use the Server Stateless Retry packet +({{packet-server-stateless}}). This packet causes a client to reset the state +of stream 0 and continue the connection attempt with fresh stream state while +maintaining the state of the cryptographic handshake. + +A server that sends a Server Stateless Retry packet is then not obligated to +ensure that it correctly accounts for data already sent on stream 0 either by +both itself or by the client. Similarly, a server also does not have to I think it's adequate to say that no connection state needs to be maintained after sending a Stateless Retry... I don't think it's necessary to discuss accounting of data on stream 0 here. > @@ -1131,7 +1219,34 @@ version negotiation occurred but it would have selected a different version based on the value of the supported_versions list. -## Proof of Source Address Ownership {#source-address-token} +## Stateless Retries {#stateless-retry} + +A server can process an initial cryptographic handshake messages from a client +without committing any state. This allows a server to perform address +validation ({{address-validation}}, or to defer connection establishment costs. + +In order to ensure consistent state regarding stream offsets and packet numbers, +a server that generates a response to an initial packet without retaining +connection state MUST use the Server Stateless Retry packet +({{packet-server-stateless}}). This packet causes a client to reset the state +of stream 0 and continue the connection attempt with fresh stream state while It causes the client to reset transport state, not just stream 0. > +A server can process a the initial cryptographic handshake messages from a +client without committing any state. This allows a server to perform address +validation ({{address-validation}}, or to defer connection establishment costs. + +In order to ensure consistent state regarding stream offsets and packet numbers, +a server that generates a response to an initial packet without retaining +connection state MUST use the Server Stateless Retry packet +({{packet-server-stateless}}). This packet causes a client to reset the state +of stream 0 and continue the connection attempt with fresh stream state while +maintaining the state of the cryptographic handshake. + +A server that sends a Server Stateless Retry packet is then not obligated to +ensure that it correctly accounts for data already sent on stream 0 either by +both itself or by the client. Similarly, a server also does not have to +remember a randomized initial packet number: the Server Stateless Retry packet +includes a copy of the packet number from the client packet. This is still confusing to me. It's not clear to me why there's even a discussion of what the server does not have to remember. Stateless Retry is a shoot and forget packet, that should be described as "no state is maintained for the received client packet," which should be adequate, I think. Here's what I'm imagining for this section: ## Stateless Retries {#stateless-retry} A server can process an initial cryptographic handshake messages from a client without committing any state. This allows a server to perform address validation ({{address-validation}}, or to defer connection establishment costs. A server that generates a response to an initial packet without retaining connection state MUST use the Server Stateless Retry packet ({{packet-server-stateless}}). This packet causes a client to reset its transport state and to continue the connection attempt with new connection state while maintaining the state of the cryptographic handshake. A server MUST NOT send multiple Server Stateless Retry packets in response to a client handshake packet. Thus, any cryptographic handshake message that is sent MUST fit within a single packet. In TLS, the Server Stateless Retry packet type is used to carry the HelloRetryRequest message. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/493#pullrequestreview-37188201 ----==_mimepart_5912620cd08ae_2e313f9ed9575c3046543 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

I think it would be clearer to simply think of transport state, including connection ID, as being entirely reset or restarted after a VN/SR, and for the server to simply state that no connection state is stored when a VN/SR packet is sent. I've left a few comments inline.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +## Stateless Retries {#stateless-retry}
+
+A server can process an initial cryptographic handshake messages from a client
+without committing any state.  This allows a server to perform address
+validation ({{address-validation}}, or to defer connection establishment costs.
+
+In order to ensure consistent state regarding stream offsets and packet numbers,
+a server that generates a response to an initial packet without retaining
+connection state MUST use the Server Stateless Retry packet
+({{packet-server-stateless}}).  This packet causes a client to reset the state
+of stream 0 and continue the connection attempt with fresh stream state while
+maintaining the state of the cryptographic handshake.
+
+A server that sends a Server Stateless Retry packet is then not obligated to
+ensure that it correctly accounts for data already sent on stream 0 either by
+both itself or by the client.  Similarly, a server also does not have to

I think it's adequate to say that no connection state needs to be maintained after sending a Stateless Retry... I don't think it's necessary to discuss accounting of data on stream 0 here.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1131,7 +1219,34 @@ version negotiation occurred but it would have selected a different version
 based on the value of the supported_versions list.
 
 
-## Proof of Source Address Ownership {#source-address-token}
+## Stateless Retries {#stateless-retry}
+
+A server can process an initial cryptographic handshake messages from a client
+without committing any state.  This allows a server to perform address
+validation ({{address-validation}}, or to defer connection establishment costs.
+
+In order to ensure consistent state regarding stream offsets and packet numbers,
+a server that generates a response to an initial packet without retaining
+connection state MUST use the Server Stateless Retry packet
+({{packet-server-stateless}}).  This packet causes a client to reset the state
+of stream 0 and continue the connection attempt with fresh stream state while

It causes the client to reset transport state, not just stream 0.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +A server can process a the initial cryptographic handshake messages from a
+client without committing any state.  This allows a server to perform address
+validation ({{address-validation}}, or to defer connection establishment costs.
+
+In order to ensure consistent state regarding stream offsets and packet numbers,
+a server that generates a response to an initial packet without retaining
+connection state MUST use the Server Stateless Retry packet
+({{packet-server-stateless}}).  This packet causes a client to reset the state
+of stream 0 and continue the connection attempt with fresh stream state while
+maintaining the state of the cryptographic handshake.
+
+A server that sends a Server Stateless Retry packet is then not obligated to
+ensure that it correctly accounts for data already sent on stream 0 either by
+both itself or by the client.  Similarly, a server also does not have to
+remember a randomized initial packet number: the Server Stateless Retry packet
+includes a copy of the packet number from the client packet.

This is still confusing to me. It's not clear to me why there's even a discussion of what the server does not have to remember. Stateless Retry is a shoot and forget packet, that should be described as "no state is maintained for the received client packet," which should be adequate, I think. Here's what I'm imagining for this section:

Stateless Retries {#stateless-retry}

A server can process an initial cryptographic handshake messages from a client without committing any state. This allows a server to perform address validation ({{address-validation}}, or to defer connection establishment costs.

A server that generates a response to an initial packet without retaining connection state MUST use the Server Stateless Retry packet ({{packet-server-stateless}}). This packet causes a client to reset its transport state and to continue the connection attempt with new connection state while maintaining the state of the cryptographic handshake.

A server MUST NOT send multiple Server Stateless Retry packets in response to a client handshake packet. Thus, any cryptographic handshake message that is sent MUST fit within a single packet.

In TLS, the Server Stateless Retry packet type is used to carry the HelloRetryRequest message.

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In #493 there are multiple server-chosen connection IDs, and a set of examples describing the intent of the design ought to be useful for implementers and deployments. This may belong in the applicability statement.

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Yes, this isn't a stand-in for PMTU. Using it for that would be quite inappropriate. I can add an admonition on that point if you think that would help at all.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +transport parameters that the server advertises during connection establishment
+are used.
+
+A server can remember the transport parameters that it advertised, or store an
+integrity-protected copy of the values in the ticket and recover the information
+when accepting 0-RTT data.  A server uses the transport parameters in
+determining whether to accept 0-RTT data.
+
+A server MAY accept 0-RTT and subsequently provide different values for
+transport parameters for use in the new connection.  If 0-RTT data is accepted
+by the server, the server MUST NOT reduce any limits or alter any values that
+might be violated by the client with its 0-RTT data.  In particular, a server
+that accepts 0-RTT data MUST NOT set values for initial_max_data or
+initial_max_stream_data that are smaller than the remembered value of those
+parameters.  Similarly, a server MUST NOT reduce the value of
+initial_max_stream_id.

The problem is that the client might have already violated that limit. It could send 25KB of 0-RTT data, only to learn that the limit on the data it can send is 10KB.

This rule prevents the server from creating a situation where a limit has been violated.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The client MUST choose a random 64-bit value and use it as the initial
-Connection ID in all packets until the server replies with the final Connection
-ID. The server echoes the client's Connection ID in Non-Final Server Cleartext
-packets.  The first Final Server Cleartext and all subsequent packets MUST use
-the final Connection ID, as described in {{connection-id}}.
+The packet number used for Client Initial packets is initialized with a random
+value each time the new contents are created for the packet.  Retransmissions of
+the packet contents increment the packet number by one, see
+({{packet-numbers}}).

Yes, that also. The consumed max data is the sum of stream maximum offsets.

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Discussed this with editors today; the general sense was that this would be easy to do and a worthwhile simplification. It's also a tiny patch when I get around to it (unless someone beats me to it).

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Minimally, this is the state necessary to ensure the integrity of the handshake. That is, the cryptographic handshake state continues and the client has to remember what happened during version negotiation. 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Stream 1 is a client-initiated stream. That means that the server can't send its SETTINGS frame to the client until it reads the end of the client handshake and stream 1 is opened. That's annoying because the server could otherwise send frames to the client after it sends its ServerHello.

In addition to SETTINGS, the server might use this otherwise dead air to send things like ORIGIN frames or secondary certificates.

This would not be a problem if streams were unidirectional ;)

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----==_mimepart_5912939986b7f_673f3fbd91c49c385485f-- From nobody Tue May 9 22:13:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34A71127010 for ; Tue, 9 May 2017 22:13:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TnntAehoEtBQ for ; Tue, 9 May 2017 22:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77180120227 for ; Tue, 9 May 2017 22:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 09 May 2017 22:13:46 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1494393226; bh=8MA1+vTDJqEouGmJVtlUrVSECYJOJvqXNJ2Ho8Idtvk=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=sv2ndot6RbPRTwJtkS71PiWS/zlXfhXz45w4pHqo9lTpC5NhlqO2ugarExcoiJw1T X//0u2H/yDbNYzLxB9iDsKQOAH+RwlOrXTyI5ZJj+ZS0e/hucd3mORj/ocgu84NX/r k0irmvKrvyiT0WXc4CZ1EeB0oEwl95yIrkkUyDrE= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/wg-materials To: quicwg/wg-materials Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/wg-materials] Keep the whitespace for the SVG versions (#6) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5912a18a9bcdc_45e33fc017bb3c3c86290"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 05:13:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5912a18a9bcdc_45e33fc017bb3c3c86290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cropping the SVG files to the content makes it much harder to use these. I added a watermark and badge-only version, because I needed those. Apparently, I also reduced the size of the PNG files by doing this. I can export higher DPI versions if you think that's necessary. I didn't have a convenient way to generate a tightly fitting PDF, so I didn't update those. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/pull/6 -- Commit Summary -- * Keep the whitespace for the SVG versions -- File Changes -- M badge/transparent/QUIC-Badge-Dark-RGB-Horiz.png (0) M badge/transparent/QUIC-Badge-Dark-RGB-Horiz.svg (79) M badge/transparent/QUIC-Badge-Dark-RGB-Vert.png (0) M badge/transparent/QUIC-Badge-Dark-RGB-Vert.svg (79) A badge/transparent/QUIC-Badge-Dark-RGB-wm.png (0) A badge/transparent/QUIC-Badge-Dark-RGB-wm.svg (61) A badge/transparent/QUIC-Badge-Dark-RGB.png (0) A badge/transparent/QUIC-Badge-Dark-RGB.svg (53) M badge/transparent/README.md (1) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/pull/6.patch https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/pull/6.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/pull/6 ----==_mimepart_5912a18a9bcdc_45e33fc017bb3c3c86290 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Cropping the SVG files to the content makes it much harder to use these.

I added a watermark and badge-only version, because I needed those.

Apparently, I also reduced the size of the PNG files by doing this. I can export higher DPI versions if you think that's necessary.

I didn't have a convenient way to generate a tightly fitting PDF, so I didn't update those.

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Closes #45.

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This should simplify implementation further.

Closes #481.

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Note that this doesn't remove the need for Karatsuba multiplication in Javascript. That's a little unfortunate, but JS is very much in the minority when it comes to 64-bit integer support.

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The latest takes Jana's suggestions. It's a wash either way.

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Commit: 7f6a0b35a7454cec06791d1ba5088c0f93b302e7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7f6a0b35a7454cec06791d1ba5088c0f93b302e7 Author: Benjamin M. Schwartz Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Clarify flexibility of the server port number in Alt-Svc (#424) Commit: a10ed4e02917e911c8517d9cadd4407aa72ab870 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a10ed4e02917e911c8517d9cadd4407aa72ab870 Author: EKR Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove the explicit packet number gap in favor of one computed based on a shared secret. Commit: 5f00e4f93e383e036966262a2cd0cad0ee676860 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5f00e4f93e383e036966262a2cd0cad0ee676860 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix table alignment Commit: 88c38fb44501ef704577c91b32313ada7d3c2da2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/88c38fb44501ef704577c91b32313ada7d3c2da2 Author: Lucas Pardue Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- MAX_DATA frame minor typo Align with the language use in MAX_STREAM_DATA Commit: 76e9ca62c549272ebb48eea781cd085d65f8ccae https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/76e9ca62c549272ebb48eea781cd085d65f8ccae Author: janaiyengar Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Commit: ba8d586eda98db67d9b58a78ff5be6a9b5551316 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ba8d586eda98db67d9b58a78ff5be6a9b5551316 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M Makefile Log Message: ----------- Update figure detection for ``` delimiters Commit: cda59a045fe2aaa1524f6eb4db946c1cbf3f5471 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cda59a045fe2aaa1524f6eb4db946c1cbf3f5471 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update TLS draft to track changes in packet layout etc... Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/2bf8a122b30c^...cda59a045fe2 ----==_mimepart_5912b47c631da_339c3f8c01c13c44889f2-- From nobody Tue May 9 23:36:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD13A127735 for ; Tue, 9 May 2017 23:36:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s9BEzwWFEk2Q for ; Tue, 9 May 2017 23:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext7.iad.github.net [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EFBD3124D68 for ; Tue, 9 May 2017 23:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 09 May 2017 23:36:26 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1494398186; bh=YOrt3qtOjMjCZU3WZ4OvSdujd5Ln7WpOnUdFj1fb6dQ=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=igvDMY8zwxfmuIKsARIPYb8Tg3Tm+C5Vesxdx8NZ0jQZ7aqVUjRSbFt4YqbCSeB1A EXIjDlmOqJz1gnYKiAXda5q25GOQ1pcKSCM1UVeswjnXgIPbegI/LJpaTl3NWHAjpf ZvsuOSr3wNIHbmF97CDzE2bpYMZG0KKoCkLdLGTY= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Update TLS draft to track recent changes (#518) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5912b4ea1872e_c083fd83f4cfc3c102524"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 06:36:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5912b4ea1872e_c083fd83f4cfc3c102524 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This tracks the changes in #493 and so forth to ensure that the TLS doc makes sense. Up until now it still contained discussion of the VERSION bit, which has been gone for some time. This sits on top of #493. Any comments with that I'll deal with over there. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/518 -- Commit Summary -- * Address validation is stateless reject * Expand description * Rework cleartext packet descriptions * Merge branch 'stateless_reject' into invert_connection_id * Expand on HelloRetryRequest rules * Tidy up grammar * Jana's review comments * Reset more completely for stateless retry and version negotiation * MUST MUST MUST * Describe stateless retry in terms of a transport reset * Remove the explicit packet number gap in favor of one computed * Clarify flexibility of the server port number in Alt-Svc (#424) * Reword initial packet number * Fix table alignment * MAX_DATA frame minor typo * Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md * Update figure detection for ``` delimiters * Update TLS draft to track changes in packet layout etc... -- File Changes -- M Makefile (3) M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (10) M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (168) M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (419) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/518.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/518.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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This tracks the changes in #493 and so forth to ensure that the TLS doc makes sense. Up until now it still contained discussion of the VERSION bit, which has been gone for some time.

This sits on top of #493. Any comments with that I'll deal with over there.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/518

Commit Summary

  • Address validation is stateless reject
  • Expand description
  • Rework cleartext packet descriptions
  • Merge branch 'stateless_reject' into invert_connection_id
  • Expand on HelloRetryRequest rules
  • Tidy up grammar
  • Jana's review comments
  • Reset more completely for stateless retry and version negotiation
  • MUST MUST MUST
  • Describe stateless retry in terms of a transport reset
  • Remove the explicit packet number gap in favor of one computed
  • Clarify flexibility of the server port number in Alt-Svc (#424)
  • Reword initial packet number
  • Fix table alignment
  • MAX_DATA frame minor typo
  • Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md
  • Update figure detection for ``` delimiters
  • Update TLS draft to track changes in packet layout etc...

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But we don't really say how a server might do that statelessly. Add a small bit of text on that and we're done. Closes #60 Commit: 98683738eb3cddd7eb0d3713127dfa62d7dc8f4b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/98683738eb3cddd7eb0d3713127dfa62d7dc8f4b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Expand description Commit: 4d2e62cdd2ac132a16a3451c8d71db145f39a753 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4d2e62cdd2ac132a16a3451c8d71db145f39a753 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Rework cleartext packet descriptions This defines a new packet type for the initial client cleartext packet, and stateless rejects. The remaining packets that carry cleartext messages remain the same. The final packet from the server is removed; instead the server cleartext packet carries the server-selected connection ID. The server can propose a new connection ID in any of its cleartext packets, including the version negotiation packet. This will need to roll up changes from stateless rejects. I'll merge that branch after this commit. Things that I might do differently: require the client to send an initial packet after version negotiation on the basis that version negotiation is a complete do-over. Maybe also after a stateless reject, which would mean that all packets containing the ClientHello would use that "initial" type. That would mean that only the initial type would have packet size restrictions, which is nice. Those alternatives give the server more options for changing connection ID as well, but it also removes the ability for a server-side load balancer to easily distinguish between connection IDs that the client proposes and those that the server has provided. Not sure which way that goes, I've opted to keep the signal in place until we've had some more discussion. Commit: 9ba0fcc0a2251c7a923a6943a348e79db2a23fb0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9ba0fcc0a2251c7a923a6943a348e79db2a23fb0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Expand on HelloRetryRequest rules Commit: e0473bb3e7a17ed228dd66ee620fe2494884f3cf https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e0473bb3e7a17ed228dd66ee620fe2494884f3cf Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Tidy up grammar Commit: ba82028683b070be98b6981a23a04a16d5b3f2c8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ba82028683b070be98b6981a23a04a16d5b3f2c8 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Jana's review comments Commit: f393f4ea86b0ef38afe280957f1e0a97f1b4291b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f393f4ea86b0ef38afe280957f1e0a97f1b4291b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reset more completely for stateless retry and version negotiation This is based on the discussion between editors and thus far on the list. The idea here is, in summary: * Client Initial packets are always a complete reset, always contain a ClientHello, are always padded to the minimum size, and include a randomized packet number (except for retransmissions). STREAM frames in these packets always start at an offset of 0, even if the cryptographic handshake is continued. There can only be one of these packets. The server can propose a new connection ID in response to one of these packets (giving the server up to three re-routing options). * Server Stateless Retry packets cause the client to start over, retaining only cryptographic handshake state. There can only be one of these packets in a flight. This includes a server-proposed connection ID and an echo of the client packet number. This is because the server can't be expected to remember what it chose when it sends subsequent packets. * Version Negotiation packets also cause a reset. This has the same rules for connection ID and packet number as the Server Stateless Retry. * Client Cleartext and Server Cleartext contain the other handshake messages. These aren't really special in any way. Commit: 947522e1d31823ebcfe8c04baee9d1d8a5aeac45 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/947522e1d31823ebcfe8c04baee9d1d8a5aeac45 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- MUST MUST MUST Commit: 0d40738b6427b747e6c6170ab5d3ffb0635719a1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0d40738b6427b747e6c6170ab5d3ffb0635719a1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Describe stateless retry in terms of a transport reset This requires that we describe the exceptions to the process. Minimally, this is the state necessary to ensure the integrity of the handshake. That is, the cryptographic handshake state continues and the client has to remember what happened during version negotiation. We can also point out that keeping an RTT estimate is worthwhile, as is any congestion signals, though these might be low value. 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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -821,6 +821,65 @@ used in QUIC can cause packet numbers to be decoded incorrectly if they are
 delayed significantly.
 
 
+# Unprotected Packets
+
+QUIC adds an integrity check to all unprotected packets.  Any packet that is not
+protected by the negotiated AEAD (see {{packet-protection}}), includes a
+integrity check.  This check does not prevent the packet from being altered, it

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Commit: e133238d9d034a607cbc00d8b3f8eb93674c0bc0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e133238d9d034a607cbc00d8b3f8eb93674c0bc0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-11 (Thu, 11 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- an Commit: baeff3bb69516c9add6c442d9d2e177fb47a183d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/baeff3bb69516c9add6c442d9d2e177fb47a183d Author: janaiyengar Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #517 from quicwg/fnv1a64 Switch to 64-bit FNV-1a Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/b3a60b3328a9...baeff3bb6951 ----==_mimepart_59139f335baf_35a53fe63f2e9c34162586-- From nobody Wed May 10 16:16:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0385129C2B for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 16:16:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.181 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.181 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id azBzR7BgLWuY for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 16:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext4.iad.github.net [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73F07129C73 for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 16:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 16:16:03 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1494458163; bh=NqVCm6JJadTjSh60CqBNxRtKVoWflAkSw5qgRn/jxow=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=QVXwsu/xS2N3qeKwA2UOn9JKOH8wx+pmuOJgMcOTfhDVAEtx61viB4WQkny50kEyI pZUMnPhQTIk1Usni7BrEVj7NgpLANMY0BHxXRqidv48q2/JKiuPjSHed8lK45keCh6 cGdqfVByoBO7ypk1lXE0GLbgJylhn6jwbPeikSaM= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Switch to 64-bit FNV-1a (#517) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59139f339f29d_48b23fd0f1f2fc2c931a9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 23:16:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59139f339f29d_48b23fd0f1f2fc2c931a9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #517. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Commit: c0cf245f89f01fc7cc8cd92c6f76d7647b09a314 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c0cf245f89f01fc7cc8cd92c6f76d7647b09a314 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #516 from quicwg/version1_is_tls Version 1 uses TLS Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/baeff3bb6951...c0cf245f89f0 ----==_mimepart_59139f6a2ba54_12e493fc6c85b7c2c171349-- From nobody Wed May 10 16:30:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67050129B6A for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 16:29:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.254 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.254 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IKtY7E4uj-SF for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 16:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D91671298BA for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 16:29:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=fAK+uLkU2RuJiAsBmoAoX8IxYUQ=; b=iNo4OeOWhWTfCifX gvWXeyUzeZnAKdvwji+TcNcEStzgIdMYcvWxDA/qKr7jluUWo5KJ4wtj0rGseGsj cZr1QMvs+3kI4+JVed8LElI2aY9+uaMpQmiW3XWkbUYfYgixjzn2cnEGGt2hEnYE niBOD2kgQkAzaqAWr0MjXgh5+3U= Received: by filter0642p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0642p1mdw1-30558-5913A273-4E 2017-05-10 23:29:55.878169965 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id -rUywhmvTCCFpS2EsJbRcw for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 23:29:55.778 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 16:29:55 -0700 From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Only allow BLOCKED once per limit (#510) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5913a273aae66_695c3fdf31375c30157656"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1KkFjcVZ3b+WOxHwJ3MludFhaVYSZre415RW ixQuGVwoCQPhwi46awocahVI1BsPqIKeS7Vxifgkdzg9iVDk9GApoLgU2s9ZSmqo9oLHOrJRUuMwfh TiRFHCRSw7NnzrZVsyuG+DHGXDAcf0V1oq2o0b8lPT6nXAEZBLhUJvK1rUNcR204IvczJbJtg90yLN E= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 23:29:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5913a273aae66_695c3fdf31375c30157656 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar approved this pull request. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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----==_mimepart_5913a277edbed_18dd3ff9eac89c301753c2-- From nobody Wed May 10 16:30:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02B61298BA for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 16:30:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=jri=google.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K1ZXLuuWv22C for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 16:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m71-131.mailgun.net (m71-131.mailgun.net [166.78.71.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75256129C73 for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 16:30:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1494459000; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=3aluumNUlOYLcbqYqdRd86ke4PzqOMdgpK8ZKP4ZATc=; b=dGtsH330CATN2r1cdL8BpAiKM8JJZ7g0ZIQajtll//uLnq6QSoYZxhy4ejHvA6mUETtC6MXN 3opOIFexSVHG5+kl9BQwUR65e2Z9vClyXHKcmFzbtxtjS0Hw0fj3rVZLglGuy44pWMNf2zsE fXc77uR/KVjBOJhN09vp/NC5i+U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=axWALzzCI2E8NySQzZVUebw5w76OQkUrxS7oRIz6UgibucVR4mGNhrD+zKt9Jxhuobvp04 GXY4XMDboUH5NROxfgb+U96AytyI6aYWGYMn/nmAGYv/0rfU2CVpW2uiU5CyhTbTALB3QXOt G5BMdPxbDD6BDnL50QAvZJcRFMGEw= Sender: jri=google.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.71.131 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.42]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5913a278.7f4c50f85ab0-smtp-out-n03; Wed, 10 May 2017 23:30:00 -0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 16:29:59 -0700 From: janaiyengar Reply-To: janaiyengar To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5913a2773c662_30073f953f795c34129644@hookshot-fe1-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 0c6c15: Only allow BLOCKED once per limit Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5913a2773c301_30073f953f795c34129541"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 23:30:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5913a2773c301_30073f953f795c34129541 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 0c6c15aed10239820e6e847d4e29d608f6a429a9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0c6c15aed10239820e6e847d4e29d608f6a429a9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-08 (Mon, 08 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Only allow BLOCKED once per limit Getting this right is tricky because the frame can be "retransmitted" in the event of loss, but I don't want to use the word "retransmitted". This would be a lot easier if we did #452. Closes #198. Commit: 531876d2c37256bf49ff253039ffb8a2d8f0acc0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/531876d2c37256bf49ff253039ffb8a2d8f0acc0 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #510 from quicwg/one_blocked_at_a_time Only allow BLOCKED once per limit Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/c0cf245f89f0...531876d2c372 ----==_mimepart_5913a2773c301_30073f953f795c34129541-- From nobody Wed May 10 16:32:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D0B12946D for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 16:32:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.474 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.474 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BdBdTMeurC-m for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 16:32:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB30A126BFD for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 16:32:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=YhMi0N/N3wA/Ksz5a7vju7/b8Is=; b=hQtX6Lm8FLI2UC3h fRoNy3YrWQiSpmtHZ5c7fLq9g1C1qaTKDnpiqH7IsNrHYRAK+mCBwxkedVXbRUNG GZmIUhdhsRbN2MOAT9KFa+WU9Kt8u2Xe08iv/7NxAic0HhYT3Qd6SK6dXt/PZGJf F2q5UChNa3Oyw5GSk0tNVFkkTKc= Received: by filter0896p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0896p1mdw1-8952-5913A30E-2 2017-05-10 23:32:30.02375633 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id lS2JIKtTTne7bWnUXsmrkw for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 23:32:29.944 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 16:32:29 -0700 From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Invert connection ID (#493) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5913a30dce30e_67073fc08c13fc2c7371d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2gimUSO3SDZ7kZW0lTLLNgtWfkwgumfDovAx d5COjVLYoMt/OmMjPFzSW/O/QdC7awyf0qz8mHooF9APAEf+udH+aOd+nb7cagWbBb0cwhHFiIQuG/ zvgsQm8QmY/j8mB4+yDHNyVsW4TCsq6IIiWLQ0gSfZ8IPEGRVZydw0LsG0/IkN6Xxp7GJ1/PxCWmlc M= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 23:32:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5913a30dce30e_67073fc08c13fc2c7371d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar approved this pull request. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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----==_mimepart_5913a3dd900eb_282e3f83ec8adc3441711-- From nobody Wed May 10 17:20:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2790D129C3B for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 17:20:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vsphNDa7xQf3 for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 17:20:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m69-169.mailgun.net (m69-169.mailgun.net [166.78.69.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6533E129B9C for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 17:20:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1494462029; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=AEEWdsxWJMwFhxPJK7MdSfru12cT3rjm3n79KzqyxJM=; b=Hjr+Mw33pVjGDM8OD1+jcHBePcvAPK1QoATa229gZdXtGEpDPF2AN8UrYG+H2uwSI5VJ3ktp HW1+lo+2hnA2BQxzBvkuSU4BqXkFmFIHjavgE4BqsvV2tpVDkbtRUkXsR0BiykXrVv6M0VY9 njftCns1A/OOvkRDx/jcE+qW8kk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JgRrktFa7Y4g44G65/ZuK4T5BZxrbWdamAy6ei7iJ0GBc3FKKWxkWRLiwH5qH4XU9ZOzw0 4yFKRyJWrRDJELgM9E2znXSmxKNm2dWzw1L6bPxyLW7zHb8tPz8qQ7dFqpwBAbQvX6psr3jZ qHfxeKyRYoCXZPz3qsIWzmAYhhDG0= Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.169 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.34]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5913ae4d.7f00ea4a5d80-smtp-out-n03; Thu, 11 May 2017 00:20:29 -0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 17:20:29 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5913ae4d4f7_5bc53fa32d453c28130676@hookshot-fe2-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] be197b: Address validation is stateless reject Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5913ae4cf3f85_5bc53fa32d453c281305fb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 00:20:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5913ae4cf3f85_5bc53fa32d453c281305fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: be197b6477363914433c444c778db6b8d7e3231d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/be197b6477363914433c444c778db6b8d7e3231d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Address validation is stateless reject We already have enough text on how to tell a client to go away and come back. But we don't really say how a server might do that statelessly. Add a small bit of text on that and we're done. Closes #60 Commit: 98683738eb3cddd7eb0d3713127dfa62d7dc8f4b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/98683738eb3cddd7eb0d3713127dfa62d7dc8f4b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Expand description Commit: 4d2e62cdd2ac132a16a3451c8d71db145f39a753 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4d2e62cdd2ac132a16a3451c8d71db145f39a753 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Rework cleartext packet descriptions This defines a new packet type for the initial client cleartext packet, and stateless rejects. The remaining packets that carry cleartext messages remain the same. The final packet from the server is removed; instead the server cleartext packet carries the server-selected connection ID. The server can propose a new connection ID in any of its cleartext packets, including the version negotiation packet. This will need to roll up changes from stateless rejects. I'll merge that branch after this commit. Things that I might do differently: require the client to send an initial packet after version negotiation on the basis that version negotiation is a complete do-over. Maybe also after a stateless reject, which would mean that all packets containing the ClientHello would use that "initial" type. That would mean that only the initial type would have packet size restrictions, which is nice. Those alternatives give the server more options for changing connection ID as well, but it also removes the ability for a server-side load balancer to easily distinguish between connection IDs that the client proposes and those that the server has provided. Not sure which way that goes, I've opted to keep the signal in place until we've had some more discussion. Commit: 9ba0fcc0a2251c7a923a6943a348e79db2a23fb0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9ba0fcc0a2251c7a923a6943a348e79db2a23fb0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Expand on HelloRetryRequest rules Commit: e0473bb3e7a17ed228dd66ee620fe2494884f3cf https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e0473bb3e7a17ed228dd66ee620fe2494884f3cf Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Tidy up grammar Commit: ba82028683b070be98b6981a23a04a16d5b3f2c8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ba82028683b070be98b6981a23a04a16d5b3f2c8 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Jana's review comments Commit: f393f4ea86b0ef38afe280957f1e0a97f1b4291b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f393f4ea86b0ef38afe280957f1e0a97f1b4291b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reset more completely for stateless retry and version negotiation This is based on the discussion between editors and thus far on the list. The idea here is, in summary: * Client Initial packets are always a complete reset, always contain a ClientHello, are always padded to the minimum size, and include a randomized packet number (except for retransmissions). STREAM frames in these packets always start at an offset of 0, even if the cryptographic handshake is continued. There can only be one of these packets. The server can propose a new connection ID in response to one of these packets (giving the server up to three re-routing options). * Server Stateless Retry packets cause the client to start over, retaining only cryptographic handshake state. There can only be one of these packets in a flight. This includes a server-proposed connection ID and an echo of the client packet number. This is because the server can't be expected to remember what it chose when it sends subsequent packets. * Version Negotiation packets also cause a reset. This has the same rules for connection ID and packet number as the Server Stateless Retry. * Client Cleartext and Server Cleartext contain the other handshake messages. These aren't really special in any way. Commit: 947522e1d31823ebcfe8c04baee9d1d8a5aeac45 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/947522e1d31823ebcfe8c04baee9d1d8a5aeac45 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- MUST MUST MUST Commit: 0d40738b6427b747e6c6170ab5d3ffb0635719a1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0d40738b6427b747e6c6170ab5d3ffb0635719a1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Describe stateless retry in terms of a transport reset This requires that we describe the exceptions to the process. Minimally, this is the state necessary to ensure the integrity of the handshake. That is, the cryptographic handshake state continues and the client has to remember what happened during version negotiation. We can also point out that keeping an RTT estimate is worthwhile, as is any congestion signals, though these might be low value. 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At the meeting in Chicago, I was approached by someone (and my apologi= es to this person for forgetting their name), who said that they do hardw= are implementations of protocols and not having 4 octet alignment would b= e a huge hassle for them. I'm not reopening the issue, but I wanted to r= ecord this as a data point in case this comes up again.

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If there are specific things that you'd want the server to be able to se= nd, we could reserve stream 2 for it. But I suppose SETTINGS would need to = be received before the client processes things on stream 1, right? In which= case, ordering between stream 1 and 2 will become an issue... hm.

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It's weird. Upper 8-bits are 'Q' is waaay too much space, as I've described in the Wiki.

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This may be worth discussing at the interim.

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----==_mimepart_5913fc409c823_65a33f9e26cfdc2c4619b-- From nobody Wed May 10 22:54:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36170129C32 for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 22:54:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=jri=google.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TEvLUj1-HKoH for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 22:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m71-131.mailgun.net (m71-131.mailgun.net [166.78.71.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B663D1205F1 for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 22:54:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1494482051; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=r0vue3HeZXocM0iVYBpX7uAJB4f/8PnSlXb9MW8wiWY=; b=OntFB3YASiKPKy8aRsvitOGus5JS9x8y0B+mCsJRzYDy3FFIahd1j5e8rKNdl8NlsbFRCGD9 45syOw5ovm5AjWtiaJiDCNkxBweLh9GpB6S4rTlPG20Mxbp2yfJ+4H0fBV4Qk5yaglvbHG8S Y5VHize7sMEEIoJdan1sZlfL+I0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MpLegbdCrh23O12IJpFQ50glv7M1Iry2Je9XyGjJ4VpSnuTiZcfo48kx3SXf6jywVGm/IR f/VWOmDcuRqpAKjJale5Pwjajv+nPKxLihGu/Dm3jlFT2HHwWcVuESFy5hrT7e7T0nQHPwSe tG56/TvuNhwsMSZXsZNYbrQNZyoGo= Sender: jri=google.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.71.131 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.45]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5913fc82.7f607cf03810-smtp-out-n03; Thu, 11 May 2017 05:54:10 -0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 22:54:10 -0700 From: janaiyengar Reply-To: janaiyengar To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5913fc822ba2c_31493fc9fd98fc2c160770@hookshot-fe3-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 6ae392: Update TLS draft to track changes in packet layout... 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Commit: 227f397a9ad494ab4bfb1e403f609727def96a0a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/227f397a9ad494ab4bfb1e403f609727def96a0a Author: janaiyengar Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- A typo and an editorial nit Commit: 89ada63186ffebdf9cd7705a5bcd4b629a142ac1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/89ada63186ffebdf9cd7705a5bcd4b629a142ac1 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- fix > 80 chars Commit: 0b7cceed1406a70f47507585f7f30adf1558389e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0b7cceed1406a70f47507585f7f30adf1558389e Author: janaiyengar Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #518 from quicwg/tls_packet_types Update TLS draft to track recent changes Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/f5b912710c83...0b7cceed1406 ----==_mimepart_5913fc822b6b8_31493fc9fd98fc2c1606f5-- From nobody Wed May 10 22:54:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 671A612EB5E for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 22:54:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.183 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.183 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VZxCkk4fnj4p for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 22:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDACC127337 for ; Wed, 10 May 2017 22:54:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=RJ7P2q5o/3oTcuHJ6DksxB5GpuY=; b=TE8tz5beR9HtmiXE loN5AJwXzlOIDPteMHnuHpo/ehq1Wq62CZ29wBsFCWjOQsI2d5t/gwL8v5hT+4Cw jZGMtPjoDKy355Az7CmvKYeUbO890S3amcpv6uGfRyRERdQfgUBgygpIp8hUIxrz K0vK62qgKp4a8NuytSoHLbIWX7o= Received: by filter1099p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1099p1mdw1-15530-5913FC82-31 2017-05-11 05:54:10.9574319 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id S3xCtBztTH2M6GxQQdRXlA for ; Thu, 11 May 2017 05:54:10.933 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 22:54:10 -0700 From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Update TLS draft to track recent changes (#518) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5913fc82cf5e3_13f63fe6eceafc3c847a4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1RCBMofyJ8yB3CxF0W4cNEBjesIyH/SPk6/m 45byIFCxYNTS1VaPMM1PB+Qr+0NpIl3xiD8/6+yV4IX2ambbMjwz7qkyEP5HFG7vLLvvvt8S2a4Thn GIsV3Gobd2NpuKcpU/hK+2rokQk/Ad/WVwH8K1bVn1u6z8vlWgS3WEVKE62shMLw2hjfUKpnjRyegM A= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 05:54:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5913fc82cf5e3_13f63fe6eceafc3c847a4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #518. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Merged #518.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tweaked the title to reflect recent changes in the packet format. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I tweaked the title to reflect recent changes in the packet format.

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@marten-seemann, I think that the recent changes to limiting streams might have closed this. Reopen if you disagree.

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"half-closed (local)" might be a little obtuse. "write-closed" or "read-only" might be better names.

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I don't think we should replace the finer-grained errors that are replaced with PROTOCOL_VIOLATION_ERROR or FRAME_FORMAT_ERROR. Having details is very useful to a peer that can monitor these errors and debug quickly. Otherwise, knowing there was a frame that wasn't formatted correctly is almost useless information. I'll come up with a list of things that I think we should retain, and I have an idea for how to simplify the description. I'll give it a shot this evening. > @@ -2522,13 +2520,12 @@ An endpoint MUST NOT send data on a stream at or beyond the final offset. Once a final offset for a stream is known, it cannot change. If a RST_STREAM or STREAM frame causes the final offset to change for a stream, an endpoint SHOULD this isn't part of your PR, but SHOULD --> MUST > @@ -2565,6 +2562,10 @@ risks a peer missing the first such packet. The only mechanism available to an endpoint that continues to receive data for a terminated connection is to send a Public Reset packet. +An endpoint that receives an invalid error code in a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame MUST +NOT signal the existence of the error to its peer. It MAY treat the error as an +INTERNAL_ERROR on the basis that there is some fault with the peer. I don't think I understand what this para is trying to say... do you mean "existence of the error" or "absence of the error"? What's this trying to achieve? > @@ -2575,7 +2576,7 @@ affected stream. Stream 1 is critical to the functioning of the entire connection. If stream 1 is closed with either a RST_STREAM or STREAM frame bearing the FIN flag, an -endpoint MUST generate a connection error of type QUIC_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM. +endpoint MUST generate a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. Why remove this error? It's strictly more information, and is surely useful for debugging on the side that's likely messing up. > -QUIC_NETWORK_IDLE_TIMEOUT (0x80000019): -: The connection timed out due to no network activity. +ENHANCE_YOUR_CALM (0x80000002): Where's this intended to be used? It's not clear to me what exactly the endpoint wants the peer to reduce generation of -- Data? Acks? Window updates? -- and what the peer is expected to do when this error code is received. Is this a stream or connection error? It would be an odd time to say reduce generation of something if used as a connection error... the connection is now closed. Does this error code mean that the peer SHOULD NOT reconnect? > -QUIC_TOO_MANY_RTOS (0x80000055): -: QUIC timed out after too many RTOs. +: An endpoint received a frame that was badly formatted. For instance, an empty + STREAM frame that omitted the FIN flag, or an ACK frame that has more + acknowledgment ranges than the remainder of the packet could carry. These are very different errors in terms of what a peer would do with this information. I don't think collapsing these two examples is a good idea, since the peer can actually do something concrete with this information -- separating STREAM_FRAME_FORMAT_ERROR from ACK_FRAME_FORMAT_ERROR is a useful for monitoring and debugging. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/467#pullrequestreview-37720557 ----==_mimepart_5914f540548df_5893fa8a3b25c38758d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

I don't think we should replace the finer-grained errors that are replaced with PROTOCOL_VIOLATION_ERROR or FRAME_FORMAT_ERROR. Having details is very useful to a peer that can monitor these errors and debug quickly. Otherwise, knowing there was a frame that wasn't formatted correctly is almost useless information.

I'll come up with a list of things that I think we should retain, and I have an idea for how to simplify the description. I'll give it a shot this evening.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2522,13 +2520,12 @@ An endpoint MUST NOT send data on a stream at or beyond the final offset.
 
 Once a final offset for a stream is known, it cannot change.  If a RST_STREAM or
 STREAM frame causes the final offset to change for a stream, an endpoint SHOULD

this isn't part of your PR, but SHOULD --> MUST

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2565,6 +2562,10 @@ risks a peer missing the first such packet.  The only mechanism available to an
 endpoint that continues to receive data for a terminated connection is to send a
 Public Reset packet.
 
+An endpoint that receives an invalid error code in a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame MUST
+NOT signal the existence of the error to its peer.  It MAY treat the error as an
+INTERNAL_ERROR on the basis that there is some fault with the peer.

I don't think I understand what this para is trying to say... do you mean "existence of the error" or "absence of the error"? What's this trying to achieve?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2575,7 +2576,7 @@ affected stream.
 
 Stream 1 is critical to the functioning of the entire connection.  If stream 1
 is closed with either a RST_STREAM or STREAM frame bearing the FIN flag, an
-endpoint MUST generate a connection error of type QUIC_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM.
+endpoint MUST generate a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.

Why remove this error? It's strictly more information, and is surely useful for debugging on the side that's likely messing up.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-QUIC_NETWORK_IDLE_TIMEOUT (0x80000019):
-: The connection timed out due to no network activity.
+ENHANCE_YOUR_CALM (0x80000002):

Where's this intended to be used? It's not clear to me what exactly the endpoint wants the peer to reduce generation of -- Data? Acks? Window updates? -- and what the peer is expected to do when this error code is received. Is this a stream or connection error? It would be an odd time to say reduce generation of something if used as a connection error... the connection is now closed. Does this error code mean that the peer SHOULD NOT reconnect?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-QUIC_TOO_MANY_RTOS (0x80000055):
-: QUIC timed out after too many RTOs.
+: An endpoint received a frame that was badly formatted.  For instance, an empty
+  STREAM frame that omitted the FIN flag, or an ACK frame that has more
+  acknowledgment ranges than the remainder of the packet could carry.

These are very different errors in terms of what a peer would do with this information. I don't think collapsing these two examples is a good idea, since the peer can actually do something concrete with this information -- separating STREAM_FRAME_FORMAT_ERROR from ACK_FRAME_FORMAT_ERROR is a useful for monitoring and debugging.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2522,13 +2520,12 @@ An endpoint MUST NOT send data on a stream at or beyond the final offset.
 
 Once a final offset for a stream is known, it cannot change.  If a RST_STREAM or
 STREAM frame causes the final offset to change for a stream, an endpoint SHOULD

Let's fix/discuss that separately.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2575,7 +2576,7 @@ affected stream.
 
 Stream 1 is critical to the functioning of the entire connection.  If stream 1
 is closed with either a RST_STREAM or STREAM frame bearing the FIN flag, an
-endpoint MUST generate a connection error of type QUIC_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM.
+endpoint MUST generate a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.

See comment below.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2565,6 +2562,10 @@ risks a peer missing the first such packet.  The only mechanism available to an
 endpoint that continues to receive data for a terminated connection is to send a
 Public Reset packet.
 
+An endpoint that receives an invalid error code in a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame MUST
+NOT signal the existence of the error to its peer.  It MAY treat the error as an
+INTERNAL_ERROR on the basis that there is some fault with the peer.

Yeah, this needs work. It's trying to say that you can't respond to a CONNECTION_CLOSE with a PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. Give me another shot at this.

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Gah, this is already rotten :(

I think that you might have misunderstood the approach that I've taken. = The point is to identify classes of errors that can have operational pract= ices associated with them. Finer grained errors are certainly useful durin= g the development of a protocol, but I don't know how someone would deploy = an operational practice to distinguish between a cases where it sent a badl= y formatted STREAM frame vs. a badly formatted ACK frame. Those errors are= going to need someone to sit down with traces and work out what is going o= n.

I'm not suggesting that an implementation couldn't generate different er= ror codes for local consumption. That's great for debugging. But we're ta= lking protocol signals here. And when we use a different code point in a p= rotocol, we have to have something in those signals that can be acted upon = differently.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

Most of the removals seem good, but I think you went too far in removing some error codes.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -675,9 +675,9 @@ increase by at least one after sending any packet.
 
 A QUIC endpoint MUST NOT reuse a packet number within the same connection (that
 is, under the same cryptographic keys).  If the packet number for sending
-reaches 2^64 - 1, the sender MUST close the connection by sending a
-CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with the error code QUIC_SEQUENCE_NUMBER_LIMIT_REACHED
-(connection termination is described in {{termination}}.)
+reaches 2^64 - 1, the sender MUST close the connection without sending a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame or any further packets; the sender MAY send a Public
+Reset packet in response to further packets that it receives.

Shouldn't it use the last packet number to send a connection close?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-QUIC_NETWORK_IDLE_TIMEOUT (0x80000019):
-: The connection timed out due to no network activity.
+ENHANCE_YOUR_CALM (0x80000002):

Agreed, this does not seem helpful.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-QUIC_TOO_MANY_RTOS (0x80000055):
-: QUIC timed out after too many RTOs.
+: An endpoint received a frame that was badly formatted.  For instance, an empty
+  STREAM frame that omitted the FIN flag, or an ACK frame that has more
+  acknowledgment ranges than the remainder of the packet could carry.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-QUIC_NETWORK_IDLE_TIMEOUT (0x80000019):
-: The connection timed out due to no network activity.
+ENHANCE_YOUR_CALM (0x80000002):

See the analogous code in h2. There isn't a whole lot of text in QUIC for this, but you can find the sorts of applications we use this for in h2.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -675,9 +675,9 @@ increase by at least one after sending any packet.
 
 A QUIC endpoint MUST NOT reuse a packet number within the same connection (that
 is, under the same cryptographic keys).  If the packet number for sending
-reaches 2^64 - 1, the sender MUST close the connection by sending a
-CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with the error code QUIC_SEQUENCE_NUMBER_LIMIT_REACHED
-(connection termination is described in {{termination}}.)
+reaches 2^64 - 1, the sender MUST close the connection without sending a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame or any further packets; the sender MAY send a Public
+Reset packet in response to further packets that it receives.

Well, that is a possibility, but think about what it will take to reach this number. We could put lots of effort into dealing with this case, but you have to ask yourself if that's worth it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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-QUIC_NETWORK_IDLE_TIMEOUT (0x80000019):
-: The connection timed out due to no network activity.
+ENHANCE_YOUR_CALM (0x80000002):

If it's already in H2, should it be in the http mapping? I can't find a good link for H2's usage, the best I found was it's informal use by twitter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HTTP_status_codes

And why is it not error code 420?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-QUIC_NETWORK_IDLE_TIMEOUT (0x80000019):
-: The connection timed out due to no network activity.
+ENHANCE_YOUR_CALM (0x80000002):

My understanding is that it is part of the transport in h2, not the application. If you disagree with that assessment, let me know.

It was 420, for a while, but then we decided that a contiguous error space was more valuable. However, it's not a status code.

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In the meanwhile, take a look at the direction I'm pushing in. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/521 -- Commit Summary -- * Restored a few error codes and redefined FRAME_ERROR. -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (69) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/521.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/521.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/521 ----==_mimepart_591510fc5eb74_69a43ff808b41c307063f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'd like to go over this again to ensure we don't leave anything out. In the meanwhile, take a look at the direction I'm pushing in.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/521

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  • Restored a few error codes and redefined FRAME_ERROR.

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----==_mimepart_591510fc5eb74_69a43ff808b41c307063f-- From nobody Thu May 11 19:34:47 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D0D213154B for ; Thu, 11 May 2017 19:34:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FZM7yf126Q1H for ; Thu, 11 May 2017 19:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB689129BEF for ; Thu, 11 May 2017 19:28:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=QK0NzxzMp+0n+orSkb0lW/ny/2E=; b=r8zcBMdGv6qU1+Ra zPz7giBIx7FEo9aqywcfcyxeF8E5QCQ/r9JkSR+B21w79s2QaqPbj98COQIQBob/ uL+t1WAJUCUiOUC38n+x3cqYtuT6WVrGn9fJuc/DPwDQ5PNH9w5ZhhirUTx0J9lq cBOIlUDCxxJkgoxuWncCf09IGCw= Received: by filter0825p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0825p1mdw1-2659-59151DD5-24 2017-05-12 02:28:37.822617257 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0030p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id aGqVx4k3QmqsulxEAytrVQ for ; Fri, 12 May 2017 02:28:37.858 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 19:28:37 -0700 From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Address change and consent to send (#161) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59151dd58043d_191c3ff96db71c302895b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3LEOFKTM5jl7WLME21ebuDsgti8Rw7D94kH9 BORWY7Ta6WgXQvYyrwWwhsyJxqB1nD8a7Gs7Flbqy+hugPYKo5PAJ72cDAH8hUmLeJEKsddC/dKQx1 PmLNIBXF1OTxTMeXeVUGdaRGxmha8GXntlIdCqoHjxwRUsCHhfuZH91BeXUCUdFkdXNS0dAwQUOh7s Y= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 02:34:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59151dd58043d_191c3ff96db71c302895b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is not the following enough to defend against this? - clamping down CWND (which you have to do anyway for a brand new path), - a packet number jump (does not need to be huge; a jump several times bigger than MIN_CWND is sufficient), and - an impending "QUIC Public Reset" or "ICMP Port Unreach" -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/161#issuecomment-300967380 ----==_mimepart_59151dd58043d_191c3ff96db71c302895b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Is not the following enough to defend against this?

  • clamping down CWND (which you have to do anyway for a brand new path),<= /li>
  • a packet number jump (does not need to be huge; a jump several times bi= gger than MIN_CWND is sufficient), and
  • an impending "QUIC Public Reset" or "ICMP Port Unreach"

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It sounds like we're going to be discussing this at the interim. I thin= k that this misses the point of doing a consolidation.

For instance, why would anyone actually send HANDSHAKE_TIMEOUT?= For that matter, how would they send it?

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As stated earlier (here and here for instance), I don't think that a = single packet number gap contains enough entropy and it could in fact be a = mistake to rely on it for other reasons. ACK efficiency or resistance to d= elays and reordering being some concrete reasons against leaving intentiona= l gaps. I would rather we build something more concrete than rely on these= implicit mechanisms.

As stated on the mailing list, Public Reset and ICMP Unreachable can't o= r won't necessarily be sent by the entity under attack.

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Good point -- we can remove HANDSHAKE_TIMEOUT. Unless there's a good reason, I'd like to keep the others. I think the errors are useful, and I don't see an advantage to removing the ones that I've listed.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-QUIC_NETWORK_IDLE_TIMEOUT (0x80000019):
-: The connection timed out due to no network activity.
+ENHANCE_YOUR_CALM (0x80000002):

If this has a specific meaning, I would want to name it as such. "ENHANCE_YOUR_CALM" is not a helpful name... but I still don't understand what it stands for. What is this used for in HTTP/2?

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That was an example, there are quite a number more that fit the same criterion.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-QUIC_NETWORK_IDLE_TIMEOUT (0x80000019):
-: The connection timed out due to no network activity.
+ENHANCE_YOUR_CALM (0x80000002):

Better that you search the RFC for the code and read it yourself.

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This might help understand where I'm coming from here. In going throu= gh the existing codes, I asked myself the question "what code would I wri= te to handle a CONNECTION_CLOSE/RST_STREAM that contained this error code= ?" If the code is the same for two error conditions, the separate codes = were redundant. The other question to ask might be "why would I send a C= ONNECTION_CLOSE/RST_STREAM containing this error code?"

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On cwnd: When I said "restore the cwnd", I meant to the initial cwnd= on the new path. Whatever cwnd you use on a new IP, the server cuts i= t down cwnd to min_cwnd (which is 2 x MSS), and then restores the = cwnd back to the earlier cwnd on validation.

On packet number jumps: Are you saying that a 4-byte packet number is in= adequate entropy? If so then we'll need to revisit Version Negotiation, sin= ce a VN packet includes a new server-selected connection ID and the only co= rrelator is the packet number. An attacker could just as easily inject a VN= packet with the correct packet number causing the connection establishment= to break. (Actually, the problem in VN is worse than here, since the attac= ker cannot get a single packet wrong when trying to guess a jump. We haven'= t nailed down rules for when an endpoint receives a VN with a packet number= that does not match any sent packets.)

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A Version Negotiation (VN) packet now contains a server-chosen connection ID and echoes the client's packet number, for a client to be able to validate that the server did see the client's packet.

There are no rules around what a client should do on receiving VN packets with random IDs and packet numbers that do not match. If the client just drops them on the floor, an attacker can send a bunch of VN packets with an arbitrary connection ID and with random packet numbers, hoping to kill the client's ongoing handshake.

Is 4 bytes of entropy enough to prevent this DoS?

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An attacker would also have to guess the right port number, which should be close to 2 bytes of entropy in itself.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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-QUIC_NETWORK_IDLE_TIMEOUT (0x80000019):
-: The connection timed out due to no network activity.
+ENHANCE_YOUR_CALM (0x80000002):

I don't think I said anything to warrant a rude response. Perhaps you didn't mean it to be rude, but it sure sounds it.

I know of the error code from HTTP/2, and I looked it up before my first comment on this PR. RFC 7540 is not helpful in answering the questions I'm asking.

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I think I understand where you're coming from. That doesn't cover moni= toring though; Google monitors these error codes, and we find it useful o= perationally. I expect that other server will find it useful too. Happy t= o air this out at the interim for others to weigh in on.

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@janaiyengar observes,

We haven't nailed down rules for when an endpoint receives a VN with a packet number that does not match any sent packets.

This is true. We should write that down.

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Yeah, good point. But OSes are bad at handing out port numbers randomly -- I could be wrong, but I believe OSes hand these out sequentially to sockets. There may be far fewer than 2 bytes of entropy there.

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Are you assuming that you would create a 31-bit jump? The draft curre= ntly suggests 8-bits, which is not sufficient for this attack.

FWIW, I don't assume that Version Negotiation gives any indication of = consent to receive, though the echo of a 31-bit value might suffice (TCP = is 32). It doesn't need to really, because the client is only going to s= end the same packet that it would have sent without seeing any packets fr= om the server.

The actual entropy from a 31-bit jump is actually less than you think.= The attacker can always pretend that packets were lost and guess high. = That has an effect on cwnd which might reduce the effectiveness of the a= ttack if the guess is wrong, so the wiggle room is probably not that big,= but the actual entropy is in fact smaller.

We haven't nailed down rules for when an endpoint receives a VN with a= packet number that does not match any sent packets.

Issue #523= opened. Should be easy to rectify.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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-: The connection timed out due to no network activity.
+ENHANCE_YOUR_CALM (0x80000002):

I apologize, I just think that me trying to restate its purpose wouldn't really help because it's got a lot of context attached to it.

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There's another downside to skipping packet numbers. If the ACK that con= firms the packet number jump is lost, the verification of the new path will= take longer, since ACKs are not sent with every packet.
The PING-PONG solution (where the client needs to echo a random value provi= ded by the server) has the advantage that a client could aggressively send = out PONGs (e.g. include a PONG in every packet until one of them is acknowl= edged), to make sure that the server considers the new path valid as quickl= y as possible, even if some packets are lost.

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= ----==_mimepart_591548774f953_3e613fd934d35c3c84081-- From nobody Thu May 11 22:37:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B57DD126BF6 for ; Thu, 11 May 2017 22:37:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 220avD9y9K6e for ; Thu, 11 May 2017 22:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E05412944A for ; Thu, 11 May 2017 22:32:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=BTIa1ynEsYk974AOovEE4FGetC8=; b=XX/1vVgILgK+wIhY WPIB8zzy9FprocL5US/PFlMZVRw8ukdK29uQbs+NdCflA5huGkenKhmwvBXrSDYh oNKwVFgeHmuc2/GlFHQIcYncl4vPGqnLjtsH1FWB0B0XU7e2quRudsbF7GUBQw0d KsSns7W8N7moYKb0abMvoWqpWk4= Received: by filter0690p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0690p1mdw1-11017-591548E1-1B 2017-05-12 05:32:17.426650539 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0038p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 9k4wgG8NRWqqcQZt1km0ew for ; Fri, 12 May 2017 05:32:17.287 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 22:32:16 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Version Negotiation DoS (#522) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_591548e0ef6d6_199f3fc2478b3c3010489d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2ChcLXRlNVRDjq3ovX4vdsvPsypyRfFKYtx4 zlpHcuuWFA4lFewS8gmWn71SsDG5jTUUFBLwor/WvMaCWJbbjKT8oFc58y9Kf6rGX85N1vlJl2tAlo YxONfPdhXfa1Wj+2PhNWDZHYNpt5XGHg1MN08mE2RSpYEvDHXv4pfAHPC3fXliz/+0qJ/tK8vw0WxP k= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 05:37:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_591548e0ef6d6_199f3fc2478b3c3010489d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I said this over [here](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/161#issuecomment-300986257), but I'll add it here for the benefit of this thread. > I don't assume that Version Negotiation gives any indication of consent to receive, though the echo of a 31-bit value might suffice (TCP is 32). It doesn't need to really, because the client is only going to send the same packet that it would have sent without seeing any packets from the server. But I don't think that addresses the issue here. The issue here is that a client might want to validate a Version Negotiation packet. I separately opened #523 on that point, but this seems like it is asking the question about whether we have enough entropy to ensure that the Version Negotiation packet is OK. BTW, it's only 31-bits of entropy. Port number might be close to zero entropy, though in practice it's a fair bit better than that (maybe as much as 14 bits) and we might assume that the IP address is known, so zero entropy. If the benchmark is TCP, then we're 1 bit worse off. On the other hand, if the benchmark is DNS, things don't look too bad. Modern operating systems generate ephemeral addresses randomly. But it's usually from a small-ish slice of ports. Test that if you like: ``` node -e 'var s = require("dgram").createSocket("udp6");s.bind(function(){console.log(s.address().port);s.close();});' ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/522#issuecomment-300987705 ----==_mimepart_591548e0ef6d6_199f3fc2478b3c3010489d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I said this over here, but I'll add it here for the benefit= of this thread.

I don't assume that Version Negotiation gives any indication of consent = to receive, though the echo of a 31-bit value might suffice (TCP is 32). It= doesn't need to really, because the client is only going to send the same = packet that it would have sent without seeing any packets from the server.<= /p>

But I don't think that addresses the issue here. The issue here is that= a client might want to validate a Version Negotiation packet. I separatel= y opened #523 on that= point, but this seems like it is asking the question about whether we have= enough entropy to ensure that the Version Negotiation packet is OK.

BTW, it's only 31-bits of entropy. Port number might be close to zero e= ntropy, though in practice it's a fair bit better than that (maybe as much = as 14 bits) and we might assume that the IP address is known, so zero entro= py. If the benchmark is TCP, then we're 1 bit worse off. On the other han= d, if the benchmark is DNS, things don't look too bad.

Modern operating systems generate ephemeral addresses randomly. But it'= s usually from a small-ish slice of ports. Test that if you like:

node -e 'var s =3D require("dgram").createSocket("udp6");s.bind(=
function(){console.log(s.address().port);s.close();});'

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An endpoint could aggressively send ACK frames in the same way, right?

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You'd have to make some assumptions about the size of the gap then. There are use cases for gaps larger than the normal reordering of the path that should not trigger the aggressive ACKing.

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... which goes back to my request to linking client chosen id to the server chosen id - in this case it would reduce attacks to those on path.

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Do you have those use cases listed anywhere? Other than for testing purposes, I was only aware of this specific issue.

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Version Negotiation echoes 31-bits of entropy (maybe more if you consider the version to be at all unpredictable, or the client's source address to contain any entropy). 2. If validation fails and version negotiation happened, encourage the client to try again ignoring any Version Negotiation packets that match the failed profile. 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Version Negotiation echoes 31-bits of entropy (maybe more if you consider the version to be at all unpredictable, or the client's source address to contain any entropy). 2. If validation fails and version negotiation happened, encourage the client to try again ignoring any Version Negotiation packets that match the failed profile. Closes #523. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/524 -- Commit Summary -- * Increase resilience to spoofed Version Negotiation packets -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (33) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/524.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/524.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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There's two layers of defense here:

  1. Version Negotiation echoes 31-bits of entropy (maybe more if you consider the version to be at all unpredictable, or the client's source address to contain any entropy).

  2. If validation fails and version negotiation happened, encourage the client to try again ignoring any Version Negotiation packets that match the failed profile.

Closes #523.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/524

Commit Summary

  • Increase resilience to spoofed Version Negotiation packets

File Changes

Patch Links:

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Oh, so that I don't forget, we only use 31-bits because of the need to= increment this number. If we randomize for every Client Initial packet,= which seems perfectly doable now, then we can use the entire 32-bit spac= e. That's all assuming that 32 is enough but 31 isn't...

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I just tested Windows 10 and it doesn't randomize the source port for ephemeral UDP. So no entropy there :( Back down to 31.

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I heard of the idea to serve a single connection from multiple servers= , and assigning a range of packet numbers to each server. I haven't thoug= ht all the details through, but if this is possible, there will be larger= gaps (although you wouldn't need 31-bit packet number space for this).

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Oh yeah. Though n servers could be given n*m+i. The idea is frightening and intriguing at the same time.

As for triggering an aggressive ACK, I agree that an explicit signal rem= oves the uncertainty, but if the gap needs to be in the order of 2^31, then= you can simply step up the ACK schedule if you see a large gap. We could = even recommend a minimum gap.

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Commit: 27d517e94d875d78ef91f27a683d4d00f20782f8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/27d517e94d875d78ef91f27a683d4d00f20782f8 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-12 (Fri, 12 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reference error codes One interesting change here is that we don't have an error code for running out of packet numbers. If you think about this for even a few seconds, you will realize that you can't send that error code because it can't go in a packet. And that's even assuming that you manage to keep a connection alive long enough to send that many packets. At 1 million packets a second, that's almost 600 thousand years. Even if we assume that you jump 2^31 packets every time you switch between networks, and change once a minute, that's 16 thousand years. I didn't remove the parenthetical mention of QUIC_NO_ERROR because that is being removed in other pull requests. Commit: d3dec577b0124bbd90a50a5bb5d0a6ac4f709c74 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d3dec577b0124bbd90a50a5bb5d0a6ac4f709c74 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-12 (Fri, 12 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Simplify CONNECTION_CLOSE error handling Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/c0a6acfcd45f...d3dec577b012 ----==_mimepart_5915548b541f2_126b13f8b83481c3412038a-- From nobody Thu May 11 23:29:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57E6012EB11 for ; Thu, 11 May 2017 23:29:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OhA3rhS7b0jA for ; Thu, 11 May 2017 23:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1415128BA2 for ; Thu, 11 May 2017 23:24:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=0R48agyBHGWPQl3znD7Tc/b9e3g=; b=V03U0/Xr0GR99i0j krMTZ60WKfyeVyyn3NybvizlsJP9DquOBPuKUTsQau2MBMBXbQYEBdVAgMREo+EQ qXJb9FL2Az1C8xhuqrrX44Uxg83Y0DxfEm1GLsf/OLJXb6qJVnyz5nuuz/Db+4qc McI2j2260Wh/DwcNJyqdahisk6s= Received: by filter0555p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0555p1mdw1-27031-59155511-3A 2017-05-12 06:24:17.9162281 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0036p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id Au_JjQWkSByXo780vBtZ8g for ; Fri, 12 May 2017 06:24:17.780 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 23:24:17 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Restored a few error codes and redefined FRAME_ERROR. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -675,9 +675,9 @@ increase by at least one after sending any packet.
 
 A QUIC endpoint MUST NOT reuse a packet number within the same connection (that
 is, under the same cryptographic keys).  If the packet number for sending
-reaches 2^64 - 1, the sender MUST close the connection by sending a
-CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with the error code QUIC_SEQUENCE_NUMBER_LIMIT_REACHED
-(connection termination is described in {{termination}}.)
+reaches 2^64 - 1, the sender MUST close the connection without sending a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame or any further packets; the sender MAY send a Public
+Reset packet in response to further packets that it receives.

Ok, fair enough. I'm happy handling that edge case in whatever way is easiest.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-QUIC_NETWORK_IDLE_TIMEOUT (0x80000019):
-: The connection timed out due to no network activity.
+ENHANCE_YOUR_CALM (0x80000002):

link?

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----==_mimepart_5915be9ddb4b8_38883fdf00ec9c3474341-- From nobody Fri May 12 09:59:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B72D9128CD5 for ; Fri, 12 May 2017 09:59:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qm1AzCQ18omn for ; Fri, 12 May 2017 09:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext4.iad.github.net [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A476812EBE7 for ; Fri, 12 May 2017 09:54:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 09:54:17 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1494608057; bh=MA8eE3e+d9msqXENkGaVPNZBzMjWVugdIdeBbbWLEkg=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=0YcFNx2GP5j7ublXI0SpTf3wX1+xor2Z2cWuNvpCpY84vGbubQ0LS6mNk0LRWxj1I nycxxxJ0AVzdKEgKM9xsmL5endx8eRyg/dRIAEZMTjPcBNjin4rSBOlNot2nps6WUr XNB7z1Cy091l7ShLPm2deKri5nZKL9+ISyo3wBeQ= From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Address change and consent to send (#161) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5915e8b9d5269_724d3ff53e83bc3840038"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 16:59:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5915e8b9d5269_724d3ff53e83bc3840038 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > stated on the mailing list, Public Reset and ICMP Unreachable can't or won't necessarily be sent by the entity under attack. If an entity does not send Public Reset or ICMP Unreachable, and our CWND after a "migration" event was low, the CWND would not open up w/o ACKs, so the server (reflector) would not send anything more to the victim. This is the same effect as not getting a PONG back. > amount of entropy You need a lot of entropy only when it is cheap for an attacker to keep guessing. In this case, if your MIN_CWND is, say, 2, and you jump the packet number by rand(min=0, max=1023) (uniformly distributed), then with 99.8% probability the attacker's ACK will ack a packet you never sent, and he will kill this connection. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/161#issuecomment-301129576 ----==_mimepart_5915e8b9d5269_724d3ff53e83bc3840038 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

stated on the mailing list, Public Reset and ICMP Unreachable can't or= won't necessarily be sent by the entity under attack.

If an entity does not send Public Reset or ICMP Unreachable, and our C= WND after a "migration" event was low, the CWND would not open up w/o ACK= s, so the server (reflector) would not send anything more to the victim. = This is the same effect as not getting a PONG back.

amount of entropy

You need a lot of entropy only when it is cheap for an attacker to kee= p guessing. In this case, if your MIN_CWND is, say, 2, and you jump the = packet number by rand(min=3D0, max=3D1023) (uniformly distributed), then = with 99.8% probability the attacker's ACK will ack a packet you never sen= t, and he will kill this connection.

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So, to confirm my understanding of this method, we expect a client to ch= ange connection-id when it knows it is changing IP address, for the linkabi= lity reasons we have rehearsed elsewhere. This method would then get used = whenever that new connection-id is seen for the first time and when a new I= P is presented on the old connection ID, because we presume that this is an= indication of NAT rebinding.

Would a change in source port, re-using the same connection ID and IP al= so trigger this? It seems like that presents a pretty small risk of being = an attack.

Which causes me to wonder whether we also ought to exempt other changes = that are most likely to be due to either NAT rebinding or IPv6 address sele= ction mechanics. The same v4 /28 or v6 /64 seem very likely to be the same= host. Is it worth PINGing there? Or is it not worth the special logic to= test the change?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -675,9 +675,9 @@ increase by at least one after sending any packet.
 
 A QUIC endpoint MUST NOT reuse a packet number within the same connection (that
 is, under the same cryptographic keys).  If the packet number for sending
-reaches 2^64 - 1, the sender MUST close the connection by sending a
-CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with the error code QUIC_SEQUENCE_NUMBER_LIMIT_REACHED
-(connection termination is described in {{termination}}.)
+reaches 2^64 - 1, the sender MUST close the connection without sending a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame or any further packets; the sender MAY send a Public
+Reset packet in response to further packets that it receives.

Yeah, I agree. I also realized that this max packet number is known to the receiver, and the receiver knows that the sender is near the max, so clearly it knows that the sender would close the connection.

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> Are you assuming that you would create a 31-bit jump? The draft curren= tly
> suggests 8-bits, which is not sufficient for this attack.
>

Yes, I was. That's an easy enough thing to change in the draft.

> The actual entropy from a 31-bit jump is actually less than you think.= The
> attacker can always pretend that packets were lost and guess high. Tha= t has
> an effect on cwnd which might reduce the effectiveness of the attack i= f the
> guess is wrong, so the wiggle room is probably not that big, but the a= ctual
> entropy is in fact smaller.
>
Not following. If an attacker guesses high or not, when the sender receives=
an ACK for a packet it never sent, it MUST terminate the connection. I
don't think the cwnd or pretending that packet loss happened matters he= re.

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Ted -- your summary is correct. I think we probably should require (MUST= ) it on an IP address change, but port number changes are probably ok. If w= e decide to go with a PING-PONG frame (which is where I'm leaning), then th= e cost of sending this frame isn't that high, so it's fine to be liberal in= deciding when to send it.

Reducing the cwnd however has costs, and I would be more cautious there.= Doing so on IP address changes seems like the safest thing to do. If we wa= nted to be slightly more performance-sensitive, we could do something like = allow /24s without cwnd reduction, but still send a PING-PONG or something = like it.

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Commit: 4a513432998d45e37e67332d3134377e6cf66881 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4a513432998d45e37e67332d3134377e6cf66881 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-12 (Fri, 12 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reference error codes One interesting change here is that we don't have an error code for running out of packet numbers. If you think about this for even a few seconds, you will realize that you can't send that error code because it can't go in a packet. And that's even assuming that you manage to keep a connection alive long enough to send that many packets. At 1 million packets a second, that's almost 600 thousand years. Even if we assume that you jump 2^31 packets every time you switch between networks, and change once a minute, that's 16 thousand years. I didn't remove the parenthetical mention of QUIC_NO_ERROR because that is being removed in other pull requests. 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----==_mimepart_591637acf0be1_70c63fcf9b8c3c3c42665-- From nobody Fri May 12 15:37:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1CA12F17A for ; Fri, 12 May 2017 15:36:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.254 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.254 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6IAQsCvTJMMs for ; Fri, 12 May 2017 15:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E6311300CF for ; Fri, 12 May 2017 15:33:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=ddlJnejAT/rVjjmrVD2+zQB6Bik=; b=Bx9rEYtWpqPj6+dg ZEI2MIPNipVqR0KTo/HdzYpqsv9Z/uxgY76wbKB1B8wr3abzgLqxMK808Q2UAr88 7of2KvHMm4K5IvhtLakisswYg4Xd75SNUkNvy1hGfe3D4HztqDHArVKW8/SvnSJr nm/V3xiWKbKKf9vmEtKYltHhGTU= Received: by filter0797p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0797p1mdw1-3895-591637FF-49 2017-05-12 22:32:31.457888501 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0038p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id X15w1GFpSKarFHDM9hTQwg for ; Fri, 12 May 2017 22:32:31.479 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 15:32:31 -0700 From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Restored a few error codes and redefined FRAME_ERROR. (#521) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_591637ff1bd20_3a253fa2febd1c2c14483d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1CCfaCz7z/QPS41McGjkQbZP7VB+RKBcDmLA 5XSw5hlwkOVpz/axIApPnz6SGzP9l18YGxNmH3H8Vn+TQ7HTh279kaU4RV7CHzZ6YL43duxgcfLtjx OsALiV9WtObAhuOpLisNd3G7TtpSCdX0wiLgkMDkjYZbzTArKMRtiwnKbylMEOyTOGtYVHeCyHGc29 Q= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 22:36:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_591637ff1bd20_3a253fa2febd1c2c14483d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the heads-up; rebased. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/521#issuecomment-301200540 ----==_mimepart_591637ff1bd20_3a253fa2febd1c2c14483d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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If we'd like to be a bit more accurate, it seems like Path ID would be a good option. We could also head towards something like 'routing token', but that seems more confusing than helpful to me.

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I suggest we hold off on this terminology issue until we resolve whether we are going to be having a big pile of conn ids. If, for instance, we have a new one for each packet, we might want a different name

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----==_mimepart_59166c13ee8b8_22a13fad7cb59c30664da-- From nobody Sat May 13 11:32:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 737D5129505 for ; Sat, 13 May 2017 11:32:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b33jKamrhGO9 for ; Sat, 13 May 2017 11:31:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext7.iad.github.net [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5EF11292FD for ; Sat, 13 May 2017 11:29:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 11:29:03 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1494700143; bh=K72JDYbGzd2UBBfLPLkN8njBIEdOEplnRoZLkt7VkOY=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=OjWIYbbOt1AVLXf1RF5+vKQvTTClVCR30fA7YergkXjtNt1zzxE39g3+9PQ3v+0jy bue/kvWPtgc5sA98qIVcaYefa6f8TeaCcxNOvtylvUzQAOoMr5CJOcna6scNbGKfk5 5zU9g2LQq0FTBFFyzVbaV6b0St2hS1MPXPHtO56c= From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Version Negotiation DoS (#522) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5917506fb091a_723a3fd200d1bc3c80479"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 18:32:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5917506fb091a_723a3fd200d1bc3c80479 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This seems like a more generic issue in that it's possible to create a DOS attack essentially by sending any packet that appears to be from the server to the client that passes the QUIC packet checks but is bogus at an upper layer. For instance, one could send an SH that had a cipher suite that the client did not offer. Implicitly, this issue assumes that we want (or will live with) - On-path attackers to be able to terminate a connection during the handshake phase - Off-path attackers not to be able to do so. It seems like it would be easiest to address this problem generically rather than as a side effect of other designs. We've already agreed that we are going to have an integrity check on packets, so it seems like the easiest thing to do would be to have it be keyed with the conn-id. Specifically: Client initial packets are either HMAC(0, ) or HMAC(conn_id, ), depending on what's convenient. Server initial packets are HMAC(conn_id, packet). This will prevent injection attacks by any attacker who hasn't seen the client initial packet, this fixing both this issue and others. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/522#issuecomment-301266057 ----==_mimepart_5917506fb091a_723a3fd200d1bc3c80479 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This seems like a more generic issue in that it's possible to create a= DOS attack essentially by sending any packet that appears to be from the= server to the client that passes the QUIC packet checks but is bogus at = an upper layer. For instance, one could send an SH that had a cipher suit= e
that the client did not offer.

Implicitly, this issue assumes that we want (or will live with)

  • On-path attackers to be able to terminate a connection during the han= dshake phase
  • Off-path attackers not to be able to do so.

It seems like it would be easiest to address this problem generically = rather than
as a side effect of other designs. We've already agreed that we are going= to have
an integrity check on packets, so it seems like the easiest thing to do w= ould be
to have it be keyed with the conn-id.

Specifically:
Client initial packets are either HMAC(0, ) or HMAC(conn_id, ), depending= on what's convenient.
Server initial packets are HMAC(conn_id, packet).

This will prevent injection attacks by any attacker who hasn't seen th= e client initial packet, this fixing both this issue and others.

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This almost makes sense to me except

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the HMAC cannot trivially be version dependent then.

I don't understand this. The HMAC is just replacing FNV-1a, so we'll pic= k an algorithm and stick with it.

the HMAC key is public, so you don't gain much compared to returning the= initial connection id as I suggested earlier.

What you gain is having something that's generic rather than something t= hat requires specific intervention and analysis for each case.

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The HMAC is just replacing FNV-1a, so we'll pick an algorithm and stick with it. Yes, exactly - if 22 years from now, HMAC-SHA256 is trivially broken, you cannot replace it. FNV-1a does not attempt to be cryptographically strong, so it cannot break in the same way, but offer fewer guarantees in return. Note that I am not against using HMAC because it is a stronger defence againts obnoxious middleware, and since unencrypted payload is not bottleneck, there isn't much gain in choosing a cheaper solution. However, FNV-1a is simpler to specify as universally true which is probably why it was chosen. > > the HMAC key is public, so you don't gain much compared to returning the initial connection id as I suggested earlier. > What you gain is having something that's generic rather than something that requires specific intervention and analysis for each case. Well, yes I do not disagree, I am just pointing out the the generic solution could also be just returning the initial Connection ID because the HMAC in this setup provides not stronger guarantees as far as I can tell. The only guarantee it provides is that that payload has not been tampered with, but that is for the handshake to decide, and the handshake goes to great lengths to support extensible cryptography (for better or worse). Alas, I wouldn't mind a much simpler QUIC version that just decided on CURVE25519 and be done with it, then change version if needed. And this is indeed possible to do. But for a generic version 1 of QUIC, you need to consider all this crypto replacability, I'm afraid. But, even before you wrote this, I was also thinking why not use a HMAC instead of FNV-1a, so I largely follow what you say. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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the HMAC cannot trivially be version dependent then.

I don't understand this. The HMAC is just replacing FNV-1a, so we'll pic= k an algorithm and stick with it.

Yes, exactly - if 22 years from now, HMAC-SHA256 is trivially broken, yo= u cannot replace it. FNV-1a does not attempt to be cryptographically strong= , so it cannot break in the same way, but offer fewer guarantees in return.= Note that I am not against using HMAC because it is a stronger defence aga= ints obnoxious middleware, and since unencrypted payload is not bottleneck,= there isn't much gain in choosing a cheaper solution. However, FNV-1a is s= impler to specify as universally true which is probably why it was chosen.<= /p>

the HMAC key is public, so you don't gain much compared to returning the= initial connection id as I suggested earlier.
What you gain is having something that's generic rather than something that= requires specific intervention and analysis for each case.

Well, yes I do not disagree, I am just pointing out the the generic solu= tion could also be just returning the initial Connection ID because the HM= AC in this setup provides not stronger guarantees as far as I can tell. The= only guarantee it provides is that that payload has not been tampered with= , but that is for the handshake to decide, and the handshake goes to great = lengths to support extensible cryptography (for better or worse). Alas, I w= ouldn't mind a much simpler QUIC version that just decided on CURVE25519 an= d be done with it, then change version if needed. And this is indeed possib= le to do. But for a generic version 1 of QUIC, you need to consider all thi= s crypto replacability, I'm afraid.

But, even before you wrote this, I was also thinking why not use a HMAC = instead of FNV-1a, so I largely follow what you say.

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I'm just going to throw this CLMUL hash into the equation, just for reference:

Faster 64-bit universal hashing using carry-less multiplications
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1503.03465.pdf

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The two issues I feel the strongest on are that I want to tell what frame type caused an error if a frame was invalid, and I want to know about unencrypted stream data. I think the other codes are useful, but the per-frame type codes and the unencrypted data are critical. > @@ -2612,71 +2612,104 @@ CONNECTION_CLOSE or RST_STREAM frame. Error codes share a common code space. Some error codes apply only to either streams or the entire connection and have no defined semantics in the other context. -INTERNAL_ERROR (0x80000001): +FRAME_ERROR (0x800000TT): One nit: Stream frames and acks frames consume multiple spots in the octet, we should define which spots they should use for errors. > @@ -2612,71 +2612,104 @@ CONNECTION_CLOSE or RST_STREAM frame. Error codes share a common code space. Some error codes apply only to either streams or the entire connection and have no defined semantics in the other context. -INTERNAL_ERROR (0x80000001): +FRAME_ERROR (0x800000TT): + +: An endpoint received a frame that was badly formatted. For instance, an empty nit: badly -> incorrectly > @@ -2612,71 +2612,104 @@ CONNECTION_CLOSE or RST_STREAM frame. Error codes share a common code space. Some error codes apply only to either streams or the entire connection and have no defined semantics in the other context. -INTERNAL_ERROR (0x80000001): +FRAME_ERROR (0x800000TT): + +: An endpoint received a frame that was badly formatted. For instance, an empty + STREAM frame that omitted the FIN flag, or an ACK frame that has more + acknowledgment ranges than the remainder of the packet could carry. The final A better ack example would be an ack packet that indicates previously acked packets are now missing. > -NO_ERROR (0x80000003): +INVALID_VERSION_NEGOTIATION_PACKET (0x80000106): + +: Version negotiation packet is malformed. + +PUBLIC_RESET_RECEIVED (0x80000107): + +: A public reset packet was received for this connection post-handshake. + +TOO_MANY_RTOS (0x80000108): This may be useful, but it does assume one implements a too many RTOs feature. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/521#pullrequestreview-37738681 ----==_mimepart_5919034c8ee18_20e13ff5b502dc2c3255c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett commented on this pull request.

The two issues I feel the strongest on are that I want to tell what frame type caused an error if a frame was invalid, and I want to know about unencrypted stream data. I think the other codes are useful, but the per-frame type codes and the unencrypted data are critical.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2612,71 +2612,104 @@ CONNECTION_CLOSE or RST_STREAM frame. Error codes share a common code space.
 Some error codes apply only to either streams or the entire connection and have
 no defined semantics in the other context.
 
-INTERNAL_ERROR (0x80000001):
+FRAME_ERROR (0x800000TT):

One nit: Stream frames and acks frames consume multiple spots in the octet, we should define which spots they should use for errors.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2612,71 +2612,104 @@ CONNECTION_CLOSE or RST_STREAM frame. Error codes share a common code space.
 Some error codes apply only to either streams or the entire connection and have
 no defined semantics in the other context.
 
-INTERNAL_ERROR (0x80000001):
+FRAME_ERROR (0x800000TT):
+
+: An endpoint received a frame that was badly formatted.  For instance, an empty

nit: badly -> incorrectly

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2612,71 +2612,104 @@ CONNECTION_CLOSE or RST_STREAM frame. Error codes share a common code space.
 Some error codes apply only to either streams or the entire connection and have
 no defined semantics in the other context.
 
-INTERNAL_ERROR (0x80000001):
+FRAME_ERROR (0x800000TT):
+
+: An endpoint received a frame that was badly formatted.  For instance, an empty
+  STREAM frame that omitted the FIN flag, or an ACK frame that has more
+  acknowledgment ranges than the remainder of the packet could carry. The final

A better ack example would be an ack packet that indicates previously acked packets are now missing.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-NO_ERROR (0x80000003):
+INVALID_VERSION_NEGOTIATION_PACKET (0x80000106):
+
+: Version negotiation packet is malformed.
+
+PUBLIC_RESET_RECEIVED (0x80000107):
+
+: A public reset packet was received for this connection post-handshake.
+
+TOO_MANY_RTOS (0x80000108):

This may be useful, but it does assume one implements a too many RTOs feature.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1131,6 +1131,13 @@ client MUST terminate with a QUIC_VERSION_NEGOTIATION_MISMATCH error code if
 version negotiation occurred but it would have selected a different version
 based on the value of the supported_versions list.
 
+The position and size of the version validation fields in the transport
+parameters MUST NOT change between different versions of QUIC.  If a version of
+QUIC needs to define a new format for transport parameters, it MUST define and
+use a new TLS extension rather than redefine the layout of the existing

This is a bizarre solution to this problem. Why not say that it must define a version that indicates a change of format and base new formats on that? Or something of that sort?

At the point we're doing version negotiation, TLS hasn't come into play, so I don't think this works.

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Error codes share a common code space. Some error codes apply only to either streams or the entire connection and have no defined semantics in the other context. -QUIC_INTERNAL_ERROR (0x80000001): you'll want this or some equivalent. > -QUIC_MULTIPLE_TERMINATION_OFFSETS (0x80000005): -: Multiple final offset values were received on the same stream - -QUIC_STREAM_CANCELLED (0x80000006): -: The stream was cancelled - -QUIC_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM (0x80000007): -: A stream that is critical to the protocol was closed. - -QUIC_MISSING_PAYLOAD (0x80000030): -: The packet contained no payload. - -QUIC_INVALID_STREAM_DATA (0x8000002E): -: STREAM frame data is malformed. - -QUIC_UNENCRYPTED_STREAM_DATA (0x8000003D): We definitely want this. > -QUIC_INVALID_STREAM_DATA (0x8000002E): -: STREAM frame data is malformed. - -QUIC_UNENCRYPTED_STREAM_DATA (0x8000003D): -: Received STREAM frame data is not encrypted. - -QUIC_MAYBE_CORRUPTED_MEMORY (0x80000059): -: Received a frame which is likely the result of memory corruption. - -QUIC_INVALID_RST_STREAM_DATA (0x80000006): -: RST_STREAM frame data is malformed. - -QUIC_INVALID_CONNECTION_CLOSE_DATA (0x80000007): -: CONNECTION_CLOSE frame data is malformed. - -QUIC_INVALID_GOAWAY_DATA (0x80000008): I do want an error code per frame type. It really helps narrow down issues. > -QUIC_NETWORK_IDLE_TIMEOUT (0x80000019): -: The connection timed out due to no network activity. +ENHANCE_YOUR_CALM (0x80000002): Still confusing, particularly on a transport level. And if we're going to add it, we're going to need to restate it's purpose, we can't just assume readers know what it means. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/467#pullrequestreview-38015390 ----==_mimepart_591906b151131_17e73f84e0f67c3810313 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2858,173 +2858,74 @@ CONNECTION_CLOSE or RST_STREAM frame. Error codes share a common code space.
 Some error codes apply only to either streams or the entire connection and have
 no defined semantics in the other context.
 
-QUIC_INTERNAL_ERROR (0x80000001):

you'll want this or some equivalent.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -QUIC_MULTIPLE_TERMINATION_OFFSETS (0x80000005):
-: Multiple final offset values were received on the same stream
-
-QUIC_STREAM_CANCELLED (0x80000006):
-: The stream was cancelled
-
-QUIC_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM (0x80000007):
-: A stream that is critical to the protocol was closed.
-
-QUIC_MISSING_PAYLOAD (0x80000030):
-: The packet contained no payload.
-
-QUIC_INVALID_STREAM_DATA (0x8000002E):
-: STREAM frame data is malformed.
-
-QUIC_UNENCRYPTED_STREAM_DATA (0x8000003D):

We definitely want this.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -QUIC_INVALID_STREAM_DATA (0x8000002E):
-: STREAM frame data is malformed.
-
-QUIC_UNENCRYPTED_STREAM_DATA (0x8000003D):
-: Received STREAM frame data is not encrypted.
-
-QUIC_MAYBE_CORRUPTED_MEMORY (0x80000059):
-: Received a frame which is likely the result of memory corruption.
-
-QUIC_INVALID_RST_STREAM_DATA (0x80000006):
-: RST_STREAM frame data is malformed.
-
-QUIC_INVALID_CONNECTION_CLOSE_DATA (0x80000007):
-: CONNECTION_CLOSE frame data is malformed.
-
-QUIC_INVALID_GOAWAY_DATA (0x80000008):

I do want an error code per frame type. It really helps narrow down issues.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-QUIC_NETWORK_IDLE_TIMEOUT (0x80000019):
-: The connection timed out due to no network activity.
+ENHANCE_YOUR_CALM (0x80000002):

Still confusing, particularly on a transport level.

And if we're going to add it, we're going to need to restate it's purpose, we can't just assume readers know what it means.

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boundary="--==_mimepart_591afff3d834a_35383f8a94a25c34963b3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1FIL7XJyIxwXYV/PPyWgU0DOIJv1m/BbJtVN u+OZV41t3SczMMFFaDCjY//plYrELAMV88Awdn52HUqC9NXNdkuShXssob0PsktD0GR41klChTUANx 5zfXnSZu7sm5CSxYoKtRr3RHjlnPt0HhRMyQrQmey6Jsou6Yyf48yDH4I3WdhZ1rmOYiDtEvfxBkAR Q= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 13:38:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_591afff3d834a_35383f8a94a25c34963b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A few things: * I think the `initial_rtt` variable can be removed, since it is only ever assigned the `kDefaultInitialRtt` default, so it can be replaced by that constant in the pseudo code for `SetLossDetectionAlarm`. * There are two places where `alarm_duration` is left-shifted in the pseudo code for `SetLossDetectionAlarm`. 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A few things:

  • I think the initial_rtt variable can be removed, since it is only ever assigned the kDefaultInitialRtt default, so it can be replaced by that constant in the pseudo code for SetLossDetectionAlarm.

  • There are two places where alarm_duration is left-shifted in the pseudo code for SetLossDetectionAlarm. That operation assumes an integer representation of alarm_duration; suggest to replace that with multiplication.

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The definition of is_retransmittable only talks about packets that are containing various frame types. But it should also talk about handshake packets requiring retransmission, because otherwise the pseudo code for OnPacketSent never calls SetLossDetectionAlarm.

(Or a call to SetLossDetectionAlarm needs to be explicitly added for handshake packets.)

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Or is there an implicit assumption that handshake packets will always carry stream-0 data?

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----==_mimepart_591b07e317634_35873fe712d3fc3c6887f-- From nobody Tue May 16 11:33:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79776129B53 for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 11:33:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.281 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.281 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v8DmAasZe0jn for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 11:33:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57DFB129AFA for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 11:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 11:28:42 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1494959322; bh=EztQgEreyQltQk9tLl8bdcendEi/LnhpOx3pdHXd8NY=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=dWWNMkkZv4qCC7RIj0HR3sDQP3ArVwT9aGN6z/I3yE+oBRhUuZ+24E0g47aX0ZqAN NASxRElfC6UdognzSitiPrGPAepEf2gncW4ObxKxDxDrKx+IabOhYXUHQfhx3UdqC0 C8HaT2vuWIN6PvNtLhczLjVT513SnStJSoV9eFk4= From: Patrick McManus Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] type octet language and public reset value (#527) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_591b44da7fe06_2dc3f9bf1a25c349404d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mcmanus X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 18:33:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_591b44da7fe06_2dc3f9bf1a25c349404d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit transport commonly refers to a type octet when referring to long header packet types.. (e.g. 0x88) but the type field is defined as 7 bits and the long header packet type table lists values without the high bit (e.g. 0x08). I think we're better off without the type octet concept. Also, public reset is defined in the table as having value 9, but in 5.6 as having a type octet of 0x88 which is already used by keyphase 1 protected packets. I think 9/0x89 is the intention. I would open a separate issue, but the merge conflict is inevitable :) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/527 ----==_mimepart_591b44da7fe06_2dc3f9bf1a25c349404d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

transport commonly refers to a type octet when referring to long header packet types.. (e.g. 0x88) but the type field is defined as 7 bits and the long header packet type table lists values without the high bit (e.g. 0x08). I think we're better off without the type octet concept.

Also, public reset is defined in the table as having value 9, but in 5.6 as having a type octet of 0x88 which is already used by keyphase 1 protected packets. I think 9/0x89 is the intention. I would open a separate issue, but the merge conflict is inevitable :)

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for issue 527

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What in the transport params is used to validate a version negotiation? At the moment, we use only the packet number in the VN packet to verify that the packet was sent by the server.

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"type field", then?
or we can go with "type septet" :-)

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I think this change sounds reasonable.

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I've changed slightly to say "uses long headers with a type value of X" since type values are different for the different header types.

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The check is in the completed handshake. See:
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Closes #525

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  • Remove use of initial_rtt variable
  • change << to 2^

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Yes, handshake packets must always carry stream-0 data. I can clarify that.

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Somewhat. If the unidirectional flavor is pairs of unidirectional strea= ms, these could be defined shorthand for the state of a pair. If it's comp= letely independent streams in each direction, yes, they're obsolete.

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Closes #511.

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First part seems good; second part makes me a little sad. > @@ -1228,6 +1235,18 @@ client MUST terminate with a QUIC_VERSION_NEGOTIATION_MISMATCH error code if version negotiation occurred but it would have selected a different version based on the value of the supported_versions list. +If the client receives a Version Negotiation packet and these validation checks +subsequently fail, it is likely that the client received a spoofed Version +Negotiation packet. A client MAY attempt to create a new connection and ignore +any Version Negotiation packets that match those that caused the connection to +fail. + +Note: + +: The client cannot rely on the version list from the transport parameters. I'd rephrase this -- the client certainly *can* rely on that list -- once the handshake has completed. > -uses on every packet it sends. Packets MUST continue to use long headers and -MUST include the new negotiated protocol version. +A client MUST discard a Version Negotiation packet that does not contain Packet +Number and Version fields that match those fields in a packet that the client +previously sent. This doesn't guarantee that the Version Negotiation packet is +genuine, but it reduces the chances that the packet is spoofed. + +A client that receives a valid Version Negotiation packet selects an acceptable +protocol version from those listed by the server. The client then reattempts to +create a connection using that version. Though the contents of a packet might +not change in response to version negotiation, a client MUST choose a new packet +number it uses on every packet it sends. + +If the server does not list an acceptable version, the client MAY ignore the +Version Negotiation packet. This might reduce the likelihood that a spoofed +Version Negotiation packet can be used to disrupt connection establishment. This seems very painful if there is a real mismatch. We've already blocked out injected packets, and I suspect that legitimate failures will be more common. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/524#pullrequestreview-38528721 ----==_mimepart_591b7c08b4dbb_4b6e3fd8ed905c30112192 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@MikeBishop requested changes on this pull request.

First part seems good; second part makes me a little sad.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1228,6 +1235,18 @@ client MUST terminate with a QUIC_VERSION_NEGOTIATION_MISMATCH error code if
 version negotiation occurred but it would have selected a different version
 based on the value of the supported_versions list.
 
+If the client receives a Version Negotiation packet and these validation checks
+subsequently fail, it is likely that the client received a spoofed Version
+Negotiation packet.  A client MAY attempt to create a new connection and ignore
+any Version Negotiation packets that match those that caused the connection to
+fail.
+
+Note:
+
+: The client cannot rely on the version list from the transport parameters.

I'd rephrase this -- the client certainly can rely on that list -- once the handshake has completed.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -uses on every packet it sends.  Packets MUST continue to use long headers and
-MUST include the new negotiated protocol version.
+A client MUST discard a Version Negotiation packet that does not contain Packet
+Number and Version fields that match those fields in a packet that the client
+previously sent.  This doesn't guarantee that the Version Negotiation packet is
+genuine, but it reduces the chances that the packet is spoofed.
+
+A client that receives a valid Version Negotiation packet selects an acceptable
+protocol version from those listed by the server.  The client then reattempts to
+create a connection using that version.  Though the contents of a packet might
+not change in response to version negotiation, a client MUST choose a new packet
+number it uses on every packet it sends.
+
+If the server does not list an acceptable version, the client MAY ignore the
+Version Negotiation packet.  This might reduce the likelihood that a spoofed
+Version Negotiation packet can be used to disrupt connection establishment.

This seems very painful if there is a real mismatch. We've already blocked out injected packets, and I suspect that legitimate failures will be more common.

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>  
-QUIC_NETWORK_IDLE_TIMEOUT (0x80000019):
-: The connection timed out due to no network activity.
+ENHANCE_YOUR_CALM (0x80000002):

From RFC 7540:

ENHANCE_YOUR_CALM (0xb):  The endpoint detected that its peer is
exhibiting a behavior that might be generating excessive load.

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Yet. - +This document does not create any new IANA registries, but it does utilize the +following registries; + +* QUIC Transport Parameter Registry {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}} - This registry +uses the Specificatino Required policy {{!RFC5226}}. IANA is to register the Is there a need to note the policy, here and below? > @@ -1517,8 +1517,25 @@ TLS_FATAL_ALERT_RECEIVED (0xC000001E): # IANA Considerations -This document has no IANA actions. Yet. - +This document does not create any new IANA registries, but it does utilize the +following registries; + +* QUIC Transport Parameter Registry {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}} - This registry +uses the Specificatino Required policy {{!RFC5226}}. IANA is to register the +three values found in {{errors}. + +* TLS ExtensionsType Registry {{?I-D.ietf-tls-iana-registry-updates}} - This +registry uses the Specifiation Required policy {{RFC5226}}. IANA is to register Misspelling around specification required > @@ -1517,8 +1517,25 @@ TLS_FATAL_ALERT_RECEIVED (0xC000001E): # IANA Considerations -This document has no IANA actions. Yet. - +This document does not create any new IANA registries, but it does utilize the +following registries; + +* QUIC Transport Parameter Registry {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}} - This registry +uses the Specificatino Required policy {{!RFC5226}}. IANA is to register the +three values found in {{errors}. + +* TLS ExtensionsType Registry {{?I-D.ietf-tls-iana-registry-updates}} - This +registry uses the Specifiation Required policy {{RFC5226}}. IANA is to register +the quic_transport_parameters extension found in {{quic_parameters}}. Assigning +26 to the extensino would be greatly appreciated. The Recommended column is to extension > +* QUIC Transport Parameter Registry {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}} - This registry +uses the Specificatino Required policy {{!RFC5226}}. IANA is to register the +three values found in {{errors}. + +* TLS ExtensionsType Registry {{?I-D.ietf-tls-iana-registry-updates}} - This +registry uses the Specifiation Required policy {{RFC5226}}. IANA is to register +the quic_transport_parameters extension found in {{quic_parameters}}. Assigning +26 to the extensino would be greatly appreciated. The Recommended column is to +be marked Yes. + +* TLS Exporter Label Registry {{?I-D.ietf-tls-iana-registry-updates}} - This +registry uses the Specification Required policy {{RFC5226}. IANA is requested +to register "EXPORTER-QUIC 0-RTT Secret" from {{0-rtt-secrets}} and +"EXPORTER-QUIC client 1-RTT Secret" and +"EXPORTER-QUIC server 1-RTT Secret" from {{1-rtt-secrets}}. The DTLS column is +to be marked Yes. The Recommended column is to be marked Yes. Why would DTLS be "Yes"? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@ekr requested changes on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1517,8 +1517,25 @@ TLS_FATAL_ALERT_RECEIVED (0xC000001E):
 
 # IANA Considerations
 
-This document has no IANA actions.  Yet.
-
+This document does not create any new IANA registries, but it does utilize the
+following registries;
+
+* QUIC Transport Parameter Registry {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}} - This registry
+uses the Specificatino Required policy {{!RFC5226}}.  IANA is to register the

Is there a need to note the policy, here and below?

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1517,8 +1517,25 @@ TLS_FATAL_ALERT_RECEIVED (0xC000001E):
 
 # IANA Considerations
 
-This document has no IANA actions.  Yet.
-
+This document does not create any new IANA registries, but it does utilize the
+following registries;
+
+* QUIC Transport Parameter Registry {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}} - This registry
+uses the Specificatino Required policy {{!RFC5226}}.  IANA is to register the
+three values found in {{errors}.
+
+* TLS ExtensionsType Registry {{?I-D.ietf-tls-iana-registry-updates}} - This
+registry uses the Specifiation Required policy {{RFC5226}}.  IANA is to register

Misspelling around specification required

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1517,8 +1517,25 @@ TLS_FATAL_ALERT_RECEIVED (0xC000001E):
 
 # IANA Considerations
 
-This document has no IANA actions.  Yet.
-
+This document does not create any new IANA registries, but it does utilize the
+following registries;
+
+* QUIC Transport Parameter Registry {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}} - This registry
+uses the Specificatino Required policy {{!RFC5226}}.  IANA is to register the
+three values found in {{errors}.
+
+* TLS ExtensionsType Registry {{?I-D.ietf-tls-iana-registry-updates}} - This
+registry uses the Specifiation Required policy {{RFC5226}}.  IANA is to register
+the quic_transport_parameters extension found in {{quic_parameters}}.  Assigning
+26 to the extensino would be greatly appreciated.  The Recommended column is to

extension

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +* QUIC Transport Parameter Registry {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}} - This registry
+uses the Specificatino Required policy {{!RFC5226}}.  IANA is to register the
+three values found in {{errors}.
+
+* TLS ExtensionsType Registry {{?I-D.ietf-tls-iana-registry-updates}} - This
+registry uses the Specifiation Required policy {{RFC5226}}.  IANA is to register
+the quic_transport_parameters extension found in {{quic_parameters}}.  Assigning
+26 to the extensino would be greatly appreciated.  The Recommended column is to
+be marked Yes.
+
+* TLS Exporter Label Registry {{?I-D.ietf-tls-iana-registry-updates}} - This
+registry uses the Specification Required policy {{RFC5226}.  IANA is requested
+to register "EXPORTER-QUIC 0-RTT Secret" from {{0-rtt-secrets}} and
+"EXPORTER-QUIC client 1-RTT Secret" and
+"EXPORTER-QUIC server 1-RTT Secret" from {{1-rtt-secrets}}.  The DTLS column is
+to be marked Yes.  The Recommended column is to be marked Yes.

Why would DTLS be "Yes"?

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1517,8 +1517,25 @@ TLS_FATAL_ALERT_RECEIVED (0xC000001E):
 
 # IANA Considerations
 
-This document has no IANA actions.  Yet.
-
+This document does not create any new IANA registries, but it does utilize the
+following registries;
+
+* QUIC Transport Parameter Registry {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}} - This registry
+uses the Specificatino Required policy {{!RFC5226}}.  IANA is to register the

I don't think it's strictly required. Including it will save the chairs chasing down the registry policy, but maybe that's not a good enough reason to include it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +* QUIC Transport Parameter Registry {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}} - This registry
+uses the Specificatino Required policy {{!RFC5226}}.  IANA is to register the
+three values found in {{errors}.
+
+* TLS ExtensionsType Registry {{?I-D.ietf-tls-iana-registry-updates}} - This
+registry uses the Specifiation Required policy {{RFC5226}}.  IANA is to register
+the quic_transport_parameters extension found in {{quic_parameters}}.  Assigning
+26 to the extensino would be greatly appreciated.  The Recommended column is to
+be marked Yes.
+
+* TLS Exporter Label Registry {{?I-D.ietf-tls-iana-registry-updates}} - This
+registry uses the Specification Required policy {{RFC5226}.  IANA is requested
+to register "EXPORTER-QUIC 0-RTT Secret" from {{0-rtt-secrets}} and
+"EXPORTER-QUIC client 1-RTT Secret" and
+"EXPORTER-QUIC server 1-RTT Secret" from {{1-rtt-secrets}}.  The DTLS column is
+to be marked Yes.  The Recommended column is to be marked Yes.

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@ekr approved this pull request.

LGTM with the changes below

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1517,8 +1517,21 @@ TLS_FATAL_ALERT_RECEIVED (0xC000001E):
 
 # IANA Considerations
 
-This document has no IANA actions.  Yet.
+This document does not create any new IANA registries, but it does utilize the
+following registries;

This should be a colon, not a semicolon

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
+* QUIC Transport Parameter Registry - IANA is to register the three values found
+in {{errors}.

I am assuming you want }}

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -uses on every packet it sends.  Packets MUST continue to use long headers and
-MUST include the new negotiated protocol version.
+A client MUST discard a Version Negotiation packet that does not contain Packet
+Number and Version fields that match those fields in a packet that the client
+previously sent.  This doesn't guarantee that the Version Negotiation packet is
+genuine, but it reduces the chances that the packet is spoofed.
+
+A client that receives a valid Version Negotiation packet selects an acceptable
+protocol version from those listed by the server.  The client then reattempts to
+create a connection using that version.  Though the contents of a packet might
+not change in response to version negotiation, a client MUST choose a new packet
+number it uses on every packet it sends.
+
+If the server does not list an acceptable version, the client MAY ignore the
+Version Negotiation packet.  This might reduce the likelihood that a spoofed
+Version Negotiation packet can be used to disrupt connection establishment.

+1. I would expect the common case to be mismatch, since an attacker can easily generate a VN packet that supports a large number of known versions (minus the client's chosen).

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1228,6 +1235,18 @@ client MUST terminate with a QUIC_VERSION_NEGOTIATION_MISMATCH error code if
 version negotiation occurred but it would have selected a different version
 based on the value of the supported_versions list.
 
+If the client receives a Version Negotiation packet and these validation checks
+subsequently fail, it is likely that the client received a spoofed Version
+Negotiation packet.  A client MAY attempt to create a new connection and ignore
+any Version Negotiation packets that match those that caused the connection to
+fail.
+
+Note:
+
+: The client cannot rely on the version list from the transport parameters.

The client has to rely on the list; it just cannot validate the list until the end of the handshake.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1228,6 +1235,18 @@ client MUST terminate with a QUIC_VERSION_NEGOTIATION_MISMATCH error code if
 version negotiation occurred but it would have selected a different version
 based on the value of the supported_versions list.
 
+If the client receives a Version Negotiation packet and these validation checks
+subsequently fail, it is likely that the client received a spoofed Version
+Negotiation packet.  A client MAY attempt to create a new connection and ignore

I don't think we know this to be likely a result of spoofing, so I wouldn't say it yet.

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Yes, since all handshake data is carried in STREAM frames, they will be retransmittable by definition. Would it help to clarify this somewhere?

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@ianswett approved this pull request.

Looks good except one nit.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -412,7 +408,8 @@ below shows how the single timer is set based on the alarm mode.
 The initial flight has no prior RTT sample.  A client SHOULD remember
 the previous RTT it observed when resumption is attempted and use that for an
 initial RTT value.  If no previous RTT is available, the initial RTT defaults
-to 200ms.  Once an RTT measurement is taken, it MUST replace initial_rtt.
+to 200ms.  Once an RTT measurement is taken, it MUST replace the initial RTT
+value.

Reading this now, I think we can remove this last sentence.

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----==_mimepart_591be45fdc3e8_69963fdf1b4d1c345503e-- From nobody Tue May 16 22:53:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E07BE129C52 for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 22:53:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.183 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.183 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qVxv6P_cyiAn for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 22:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F169D12EA8D for ; Tue, 16 May 2017 22:49:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=lolMPtyuUSH5By5ySwDRqbDdWJg=; b=rjj/lPwervyDQE/L sBXYaf1GTRenon/f9LpT6wpEXwOudwrmSBzBMUTGMtnSoa+KesnSCj29Vix9dCRb 50xmCVZNS4Tv0OFtFN8FVARg2q1pPE9ugRnoJdLi4Vv/WhsCR14b8pn1QsBFudDd PjE10YRhMeO4eFXDCoVjICBHwyQ= Received: by filter0420p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0420p1mdw1-32487-591BE463-21 2017-05-17 05:49:23.743343618 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id g3GkDlfYQ5K92qm7s49JWw for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 05:49:23.616 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 22:49:23 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handshake packets and is_retransmittable (#526) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_591be46385eb6_31d53faa2228dc3077958"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2bFN1TsnJfvPBZHgUfz/9uJrGm0gMXxgotPr yoL9s5mw3bSEns7fm7NPYGAfzW50MmfotizXXU/Hyv7F6gar3t836J33xvrpIIcSceub16KjW9cIV0 zcblcQLbuNOJ6YBGH/EvhKF87qQf66dHKzMKcVNCPxUQ5b9JpEFQFMjGaGdxS4+5PFasjtLLdZfCSD w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 05:53:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_591be46385eb6_31d53faa2228dc3077958 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reopened #526. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/526#event-1085354211 ----==_mimepart_591be46385eb6_31d53faa2228dc3077958 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Reopened #526.

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There are two different blocks of pseudo code for OnPacketAcked, one in Section 326 and a different one in 4.6.

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UsingTimeLossDetection is referred to in Section 3.2.3, but is not defined anywhere.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1131,6 +1131,13 @@ client MUST terminate with a QUIC_VERSION_NEGOTIATION_MISMATCH error code if
 version negotiation occurred but it would have selected a different version
 based on the value of the supported_versions list.
 
+The position and size of the version validation fields in the transport
+parameters MUST NOT change between different versions of QUIC.  If a version of
+QUIC needs to define a new format for transport parameters, it MUST define and
+use a new TLS extension rather than redefine the layout of the existing

@ianswett, I've read this suggestion several times and I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you are trying to say. Can you explain your alternative design in more detail?

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----==_mimepart_591c5a0536df0_55bc3f9a0e0d9c3c1025a1-- From nobody Wed May 17 08:08:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 040D1129AA3 for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 08:08:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jn8hUHZtL5Zg for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 08:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext4.iad.github.net [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B48E1129C3D for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 08:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 08:02:33 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1495033353; bh=s8sSpQPhSnom3FWv3ckkmKJCny40z0S5aS8L0xcIi/c=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=0ffOmHOiTMf8xGptp0eQ/gnPRx40All1IOqOnMik5jBDFFLFM+4UPd15Rwe3NYSj3 TgcWdlId2m/+W3zVA4rFpGb76qAep73sCOdjOffXgXh1kOWvJ8DeTcR/ogPQ2AWMj7 wARQ0geSwInMbbf0WozQnf7TBCdy8fWoGfPTtOz4= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handshake packets and is_retransmittable (#526) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_591c660933557_1f2c3fbbc30a7c38749aa"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 15:08:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_591c660933557_1f2c3fbbc30a7c38749aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @larseggert is there a place for a non-TLS profile of QUIC? Chrome is currently using Curve25519+AES-GCM + possibly SHA256/HKDF key derivation logic. This crypto can be implemented in very compact self-reliant code that does not require a complex TLS library and as such may be highly useful for embedded IoT devices. So why not formalize such a profile rather than hack around missing TLS libraries. I'm not suggesting to abandon TLS, but to provide a formal alternative with a much simpler handshake. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/526#issuecomment-302119106 ----==_mimepart_591c660933557_1f2c3fbbc30a7c38749aa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@lars= eggert is there a place for a non-TLS profile of QUIC? Chrome is curr= ently using Curve25519+AES-GCM + possibly SHA256/HKDF key derivation logi= c. This crypto can be implemented in very compact self-reliant code that = does not require a complex TLS library and as such may be highly useful f= or embedded IoT devices. So why not formalize such a profile rather than = hack around missing TLS libraries. I'm not suggesting to abandon TLS, but= to provide a formal alternative with a much simpler handshake.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1131,6 +1131,13 @@ client MUST terminate with a QUIC_VERSION_NEGOTIATION_MISMATCH error code if
 version negotiation occurred but it would have selected a different version
 based on the value of the supported_versions list.
 
+The position and size of the version validation fields in the transport
+parameters MUST NOT change between different versions of QUIC.  If a version of
+QUIC needs to define a new format for transport parameters, it MUST define and
+use a new TLS extension rather than redefine the layout of the existing

I misunderstood what this text was attempting to accomplish, I was thinking of transport parameters as connection ID/packet number/etc.

That being said, I'm not clear on why the transport parameter format can't be tied to QUIC version. Can you explain more about how this attack works?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1131,6 +1131,13 @@ client MUST terminate with a QUIC_VERSION_NEGOTIATION_MISMATCH error code if
 version negotiation occurred but it would have selected a different version
 based on the value of the supported_versions list.
 
+The position and size of the version validation fields in the transport
+parameters MUST NOT change between different versions of QUIC.  If a version of
+QUIC needs to define a new format for transport parameters, it MUST define and
+use a new TLS extension rather than redefine the layout of the existing

If a QUIC version is defined that does not rely on TLS, how would it define transport parameters?

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A client MAY attempt to create a new connection and ignore +any Version Negotiation packets that match those that caused the connection to +fail. + +Note: + +: The client cannot rely on the version list from the transport parameters. Ack, I'll correct that. > @@ -1228,6 +1235,18 @@ client MUST terminate with a QUIC_VERSION_NEGOTIATION_MISMATCH error code if version negotiation occurred but it would have selected a different version based on the value of the supported_versions list. +If the client receives a Version Negotiation packet and these validation checks +subsequently fail, it is likely that the client received a spoofed Version +Negotiation packet. A client MAY attempt to create a new connection and ignore If there is a disagreement between transport parameters and version negotiation, then something is broken. I don't think that it matters if it is due to spoofing or a bug. > -uses on every packet it sends. Packets MUST continue to use long headers and -MUST include the new negotiated protocol version. +A client MUST discard a Version Negotiation packet that does not contain Packet +Number and Version fields that match those fields in a packet that the client +previously sent. This doesn't guarantee that the Version Negotiation packet is +genuine, but it reduces the chances that the packet is spoofed. + +A client that receives a valid Version Negotiation packet selects an acceptable +protocol version from those listed by the server. The client then reattempts to +create a connection using that version. Though the contents of a packet might +not change in response to version negotiation, a client MUST choose a new packet +number it uses on every packet it sends. + +If the server does not list an acceptable version, the client MAY ignore the +Version Negotiation packet. This might reduce the likelihood that a spoofed +Version Negotiation packet can be used to disrupt connection establishment. I'll cut this paragraph. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/524#discussion_r117023206 ----==_mimepart_591c7b093dd69_43c33ff328e5dc3c24187 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1228,6 +1235,18 @@ client MUST terminate with a QUIC_VERSION_NEGOTIATION_MISMATCH error code if
 version negotiation occurred but it would have selected a different version
 based on the value of the supported_versions list.
 
+If the client receives a Version Negotiation packet and these validation checks
+subsequently fail, it is likely that the client received a spoofed Version
+Negotiation packet.  A client MAY attempt to create a new connection and ignore
+any Version Negotiation packets that match those that caused the connection to
+fail.
+
+Note:
+
+: The client cannot rely on the version list from the transport parameters.

Ack, I'll correct that.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1228,6 +1235,18 @@ client MUST terminate with a QUIC_VERSION_NEGOTIATION_MISMATCH error code if
 version negotiation occurred but it would have selected a different version
 based on the value of the supported_versions list.
 
+If the client receives a Version Negotiation packet and these validation checks
+subsequently fail, it is likely that the client received a spoofed Version
+Negotiation packet.  A client MAY attempt to create a new connection and ignore

If there is a disagreement between transport parameters and version negotiation, then something is broken. I don't think that it matters if it is due to spoofing or a bug.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -uses on every packet it sends.  Packets MUST continue to use long headers and
-MUST include the new negotiated protocol version.
+A client MUST discard a Version Negotiation packet that does not contain Packet
+Number and Version fields that match those fields in a packet that the client
+previously sent.  This doesn't guarantee that the Version Negotiation packet is
+genuine, but it reduces the chances that the packet is spoofed.
+
+A client that receives a valid Version Negotiation packet selects an acceptable
+protocol version from those listed by the server.  The client then reattempts to
+create a connection using that version.  Though the contents of a packet might
+not change in response to version negotiation, a client MUST choose a new packet
+number it uses on every packet it sends.
+
+If the server does not list an acceptable version, the client MAY ignore the
+Version Negotiation packet.  This might reduce the likelihood that a spoofed
+Version Negotiation packet can be used to disrupt connection establishment.

I'll cut this paragraph.

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Intended to fix Issue #526

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  • Clarify handshake packets

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One is for congestion control and one is for recovery. Any suggestion on a good way to tweak the naming to make it clear they're invoked on the same event, but are different modules?

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= ----==_mimepart_591c8b6fdaef3_1db03fd3e29c7c3c1023dd-- From nobody Wed May 17 11:06:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8718C1289C3 for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 11:06:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XMIdwXIV-WkH for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 11:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 453F4129AE5 for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 11:01:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=CnzAZuRLMZEvGAt8ruIawR7iGg4=; b=luLsn9sjeplTvX+A 7OJi89pv5qV9vGG+pbiYm0uJOLREbX85cxSVLhBWR5oTWzcANT03bhyd8ZchOzCa Aci20jCpRxRFdhdLVv8GLpVpYIpnOCqCD6EvSO5ZZNGS8EC8J6X2nDWxmcyn5hRU FInWJUNd1CETtQF2MXkq3Nxg+kA= Received: by filter0796p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0796p1mdw1-30026-591C900C-26 2017-05-17 18:01:48.279166403 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id jB_Di3M9QZ-5X4UhaM6Spw for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 18:01:48.327 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 11:01:48 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handshake packets and is_retransmittable (#526) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_591c900c33146_50363fe7b6f5dc2c7901"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3FOHD1rmTKOKRTHvKcXpczO8q5hVFHaQTHb9 /mjvlC8pRgBzSrrhNfWvjzdwcVWnBEvDbvnNDBqraecX9hOs9WIO5EXnq4SGVn24qz7MqKov02Bdwc 7yjBCsfg2PcdjbhNFmcqJ58U6zKWvpoRsw2M48WTtX2UtcC1x5uo+k8+4NQhRgppWPLlttmCljMied U= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 18:06:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_591c900c33146_50363fe7b6f5dc2c7901 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Correct; SChannel is a Windows component, not an open-source library. @mikkelfj, there is definitely a place, in my opinion. I wouldn't be surprised to see an IoT-focused working group define a stripped down profile with some other handshake, and several of the issues we've debated around versioning and handshake mechanics are aimed at making TLS replaceable in subsequent work. However, the alternate profile needs to supply similar properties: key agreement, parameter transport, etc. The *definition* of such a profile is explicitly outside the charter of this WG, though. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/526#issuecomment-302175712 ----==_mimepart_591c900c33146_50363fe7b6f5dc2c7901 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Correct; SChannel is a Windows component, not an open-source library.

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OK, I'll leave it at that - a new ticket would be out of charter I suppo= se. Perhaps a wiki page could be useful for coordination? On crypto librari= aries I have seen none that matches all of minimal, widely used and audited= - but the components I mentioned are readily available with test vectors a= nd can be liftet.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -196,7 +196,8 @@ An unacknowledged QUIC packet is marked as lost in one of the following ways:
     lost when a packet larger than it is acknowledged and a threshold amount of
     time has passed since the packet was sent.
 
-  * Handshake packets are special in a number of ways, and a separate alarm
+  * Handshake packets, which contain stream frames for stream 0, are

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Addresses comments from Ian and Martin in #397

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. A few suggestions. > - - * If a packet is near the tail, where fewer than kReorderingThreshold packets - are sent after it, the sender cannot expect to detect loss based on the - previous mechanism. In this case, a sender uses both ack information and an - alarm to detect loss. Specifically, when the last sent packet is - acknowledged, the sender waits a short period of time to allow for - reordering and then marks any unacknowledged packets as lost. This mechanism + * When at least one packet that was sent a threshold number of packets + (kReorderingThreshold) after an unacknowledged packet is acknowledged. This + indicates that the unacknowledged packet is either lost or reordered beyond + the specified threshold. This mechanism combines both TCP's FastRetransmit + and FACK mechanisms. + + * When a short period of time has elapsed after the last sent packet is + acknowledged, with unacknowledged packets near the tail (fewer than + kReorderingThreshold packets sent after them). The sender cannot expect to I was hoping we could combine early retransmit and time based here, just like the implementation does. I realize this is a bit harder to write, but maybe something like: When a larger packet than the unacknowledged packet has been acked and the reordering threshold in time has elapsed since a larger packet was acknowledged. In order to implement a mechanism equivalent to TCP Early Retransmit, this only applies when the acked packet is the largest sent. > is based on the Linux implementation of TCP Early Retransmit. - * If a packet is sent at the tail, there are no packets sent after it, and the - sender cannot use ack information to detect its loss. The sender therefore - relies on an alarm to detect such tail losses. This mechanism is based on - TCP's Tail Loss Probe. + * When a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) alarm fires. An RTO alarm is set after + Tail Loss Probe attempts at evoking acknowledgements (see below). When this + alarm fires, all unacknowledged packets are marked as lost. Actually, they're only marked as lost when a larger packet has been acknowledged. > - * Handshake packets, which contain STREAM frames for stream 0, are - critical to QUIC transport and crypto negotiation, so a separate alarm - period is used for them. +Handshake packets, which contain STREAM frames for stream 0, are critical to +QUIC transport and crypto negotiation, so a separate (more aggressive) alarm nit: I would just say "more aggressive" and drop the separate and () > - - * If a packet is near the tail, where fewer than kReorderingThreshold packets - are sent after it, the sender cannot expect to detect loss based on the - previous mechanism. In this case, a sender uses both ack information and an - alarm to detect loss. Specifically, when the last sent packet is - acknowledged, the sender waits a short period of time to allow for - reordering and then marks any unacknowledged packets as lost. This mechanism + * When at least one packet that was sent a threshold number of packets + (kReorderingThreshold) after an unacknowledged packet is acknowledged. This + indicates that the unacknowledged packet is either lost or reordered beyond + the specified threshold. This mechanism combines both TCP's FastRetransmit + and FACK mechanisms. + + * When a short period of time has elapsed after the last sent packet is + acknowledged, with unacknowledged packets near the tail (fewer than + kReorderingThreshold packets sent after them). The sender cannot expect to Reading below, i see what you're trying to do by describing standard FACK style loss detection first, and it likely makes sense. In which case, how about "for unacknowledged packets within kReorderingThreshold from the tail." instead of "with unacknowledged..." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

A few suggestions.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -
-  * If a packet is near the tail, where fewer than kReorderingThreshold packets
-    are sent after it, the sender cannot expect to detect loss based on the
-    previous mechanism. In this case, a sender uses both ack information and an
-    alarm to detect loss. Specifically, when the last sent packet is
-    acknowledged, the sender waits a short period of time to allow for
-    reordering and then marks any unacknowledged packets as lost. This mechanism
+  * When at least one packet that was sent a threshold number of packets
+    (kReorderingThreshold) after an unacknowledged packet is acknowledged. This
+    indicates that the unacknowledged packet is either lost or reordered beyond
+    the specified threshold. This mechanism combines both TCP's FastRetransmit
+    and FACK mechanisms.
+
+  * When a short period of time has elapsed after the last sent packet is
+    acknowledged, with unacknowledged packets near the tail (fewer than
+    kReorderingThreshold packets sent after them). The sender cannot expect to

I was hoping we could combine early retransmit and time based here, just like the implementation does.

I realize this is a bit harder to write, but maybe something like:
When a larger packet than the unacknowledged packet has been acked and the reordering threshold in time has elapsed since a larger packet was acknowledged. In order to implement a mechanism equivalent to TCP Early Retransmit, this only applies when the acked packet is the largest sent.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>      is based on the Linux implementation of TCP Early Retransmit.
 
-  * If a packet is sent at the tail, there are no packets sent after it, and the
-    sender cannot use ack information to detect its loss. The sender therefore
-    relies on an alarm to detect such tail losses. This mechanism is based on
-    TCP's Tail Loss Probe.
+  * When a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) alarm fires. An RTO alarm is set after
+    Tail Loss Probe attempts at evoking acknowledgements (see below). When this
+    alarm fires, all unacknowledged packets are marked as lost.

Actually, they're only marked as lost when a larger packet has been acknowledged.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-  * Handshake packets, which contain STREAM frames for stream 0, are
-    critical to QUIC transport and crypto negotiation, so a separate alarm
-    period is used for them.
+Handshake packets, which contain STREAM frames for stream 0, are critical to
+QUIC transport and crypto negotiation, so a separate (more aggressive) alarm

nit: I would just say "more aggressive" and drop the separate and ()

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -
-  * If a packet is near the tail, where fewer than kReorderingThreshold packets
-    are sent after it, the sender cannot expect to detect loss based on the
-    previous mechanism. In this case, a sender uses both ack information and an
-    alarm to detect loss. Specifically, when the last sent packet is
-    acknowledged, the sender waits a short period of time to allow for
-    reordering and then marks any unacknowledged packets as lost. This mechanism
+  * When at least one packet that was sent a threshold number of packets
+    (kReorderingThreshold) after an unacknowledged packet is acknowledged. This
+    indicates that the unacknowledged packet is either lost or reordered beyond
+    the specified threshold. This mechanism combines both TCP's FastRetransmit
+    and FACK mechanisms.
+
+  * When a short period of time has elapsed after the last sent packet is
+    acknowledged, with unacknowledged packets near the tail (fewer than
+    kReorderingThreshold packets sent after them). The sender cannot expect to

Reading below, i see what you're trying to do by describing standard FACK style loss detection first, and it likely makes sense.

In which case, how about "for unacknowledged packets within kReorderingThreshold from the tail." instead of "with unacknowledged..."

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -
-  * If a packet is near the tail, where fewer than kReorderingThreshold packets
-    are sent after it, the sender cannot expect to detect loss based on the
-    previous mechanism. In this case, a sender uses both ack information and an
-    alarm to detect loss. Specifically, when the last sent packet is
-    acknowledged, the sender waits a short period of time to allow for
-    reordering and then marks any unacknowledged packets as lost. This mechanism
+  * When at least one packet that was sent a threshold number of packets
+    (kReorderingThreshold) after an unacknowledged packet is acknowledged. This
+    indicates that the unacknowledged packet is either lost or reordered beyond
+    the specified threshold. This mechanism combines both TCP's FastRetransmit
+    and FACK mechanisms.
+
+  * When a short period of time has elapsed after the last sent packet is
+    acknowledged, with unacknowledged packets near the tail (fewer than
+    kReorderingThreshold packets sent after them). The sender cannot expect to

I think we should document the "simpler" packet based ones for now, and if we can describe the time-based ones separately, then that's useful too. But we should keep them separable so (i) it's easier to reason about, and (ii) it's easier to implement if you only want to implement one.

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----==_mimepart_591ccf226635b_70683f98760e7c2c2511e-- From nobody Wed May 17 15:34:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A281270B4 for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 15:34:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1X3rpWsDk0Pe for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 15:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83670126C2F for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 15:34:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=+HGWrD5FNEKIEqSgw+EA6usXcHk=; b=iTCRhV1X3cmNMkhv VT0yaHCCO1DXrSLMlgEXTLe0mjEibRpL3tRb2oRbfnv0FgsCHD95ORnDTyCxVhbC 8YuKWR2FmRd8W2REIQoGOFy5/H2nC/NeRRmQj3uCHE/C6ONxK6GnJqzYSftsKWzD bolltid+ScKjjPDKrfbYzAeKfu4= Received: by filter0808p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0808p1mdw1-12993-591CCFC0-18 2017-05-17 22:33:36.43366672 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id McenZB1lQJyMaPJNqbKxNg for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 22:33:36.120 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 15:33:35 -0700 From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Cleaning up Loss Detection overview (#536) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_591ccfbf2e8cc_53e3ff8a1f7dc38102585"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1nL5JCjiKK0cUt9F/BBYuqHp6Sg/b2/xuQqF c+cGwOjD2iJIDHjGeVpbVKiqc+TKEtAe8WQ0hEWghwzUhEkNOWgslSNlzBcTAs2QQmWLp79G5D1MkK OwqQRSwx+80UQTgx2zwgKUd02quLoEuM4w54Y2acYHi/5+zmqFh+1GBQk/0j0lJT9a+Ce2fYjv4iZO w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 22:34:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_591ccfbf2e8cc_53e3ff8a1f7dc38102585 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > is based on the Linux implementation of TCP Early Retransmit. - * If a packet is sent at the tail, there are no packets sent after it, and the - sender cannot use ack information to detect its loss. The sender therefore - relies on an alarm to detect such tail losses. This mechanism is based on - TCP's Tail Loss Probe. + * When a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) alarm fires. An RTO alarm is set after + Tail Loss Probe attempts at evoking acknowledgements (see below). When this + alarm fires, all unacknowledged packets are marked as lost. Yeah, I was trying to figure out exactly what is reasonable to say here, but didn't spend time figuring it out. Do you want to suggest an edit here? Specifically, this gets into the details of spurious detection, but that may be worth describing here. I'll try to get to this today. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/536#discussion_r117125795 ----==_mimepart_591ccfbf2e8cc_53e3ff8a1f7dc38102585 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>      is based on the Linux implementation of TCP Early Retransmit.
 
-  * If a packet is sent at the tail, there are no packets sent after it, and the
-    sender cannot use ack information to detect its loss. The sender therefore
-    relies on an alarm to detect such tail losses. This mechanism is based on
-    TCP's Tail Loss Probe.
+  * When a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) alarm fires. An RTO alarm is set after
+    Tail Loss Probe attempts at evoking acknowledgements (see below). When this
+    alarm fires, all unacknowledged packets are marked as lost.

Yeah, I was trying to figure out exactly what is reasonable to say here, but didn't spend time figuring it out. Do you want to suggest an edit here? Specifically, this gets into the details of spurious detection, but that may be worth describing here. I'll try to get to this today.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1228,6 +1235,18 @@ client MUST terminate with a QUIC_VERSION_NEGOTIATION_MISMATCH error code if
 version negotiation occurred but it would have selected a different version
 based on the value of the supported_versions list.
 
+If the client receives a Version Negotiation packet and these validation checks
+subsequently fail, it is likely that the client received a spoofed Version
+Negotiation packet.  A client MAY attempt to create a new connection and ignore

I completely agree that something is broken in this case, but the text doesn't say that. It says "it is likely that the client received a spoofed Version Negotiation packet."

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----==_mimepart_591cf56db51dd_39bf3f8f59b23c34920f2-- From nobody Thu May 18 03:07:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80ADB129477 for ; Thu, 18 May 2017 03:07:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.996 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.996 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5sLwiDERBh5n for ; Thu, 18 May 2017 03:06:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B39012EB0E for ; Thu, 18 May 2017 02:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 02:59:42 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1495101582; bh=IAyLVK9UVbtPifugBVETFIklrxvQ80XpIEFGvkEpRT8=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=DBNqBr5Rf8bKpSHcm3etW4Siz5reMcMMRKWLxCWhOlBgsqRoavTXleQn4YC0GZnGF FKuDd53hXR5C9vll+g1OvFcXVI+PPhTPpRAYOicmDzAnBUSL7yagtYKDYnpwHwMZBw y17kNG1LvvYDuC9IqjUi0rv47uqyDa57+0GCpYp4= From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] SetLossDetectionAlarm issue with TLP (#537) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_591d708e8e244_2363fac8ddd9c3494534"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 10:07:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_591d708e8e244_2363fac8ddd9c3494534 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The pseudo code in Section 3.2.7.4 has this conditional `return` in the beginning: ``` SetLossDetectionAlarm(): if (retransmittable packets are not outstanding): loss_detection_alarm.cancel() return ``` Afterwards, in the TLP case, is says: ``` // Tail Loss Probe if (retransmittable_packets_outstanding = 1): alarm_duration = 1.5 * smoothed_rtt + kDelayedAckTimeout else: alarm_duration = kMinTLPTimeout alarm_duration = max(alarm_duration, 2 * smoothed_rtt) ``` Given that the code would already have returned (per above) if `retransmittable_packets_outstanding` is false, how can the `else` clause here ever be executed? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/537 ----==_mimepart_591d708e8e244_2363fac8ddd9c3494534 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The pseudo code in Section 3.2.7.4 has this conditional return in the beginning:

SetLossDetectionAlarm():
    if (retransmittable packets are not outstanding):
      loss_detection_alarm.cancel()
      return

Afterwards, in the TLP case, is says:

      // Tail Loss Probe
      if (retransmittable_packets_outstanding = 1):
        alarm_duration = 1.5 * smoothed_rtt + kDelayedAckTimeout
      else:
        alarm_duration = kMinTLPTimeout
      alarm_duration = max(alarm_duration, 2 * smoothed_rtt)

Given that the code would already have returned (per above) if retransmittable_packets_outstanding is false, how can the else clause here ever be executed?

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largest_sent_packet is used in the pseudo code, but not described/defined.

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An unacknowledged QUIC packet is marked as lost in one of the following ways: - * A packet is marked as lost if at least one packet that was sent a threshold - number of packets (kReorderingThreshold) after it has been - acknowledged. This indicates that the unacknowledged packet is either lost - or reordered beyond the specified threshold. This mechanism combines both - TCP's FastRetransmit and FACK mechanisms. - - * If a packet is near the tail, where fewer than kReorderingThreshold packets - are sent after it, the sender cannot expect to detect loss based on the - previous mechanism. In this case, a sender uses both ack information and an - alarm to detect loss. Specifically, when the last sent packet is - acknowledged, the sender waits a short period of time to allow for - reordering and then marks any unacknowledged packets as lost. This mechanism + * When at least one packet that was sent a threshold number of packets I'm finding "a threshold number of packets" really hard to parse. I think that you want to say that a packet is declared lost when a packet with a significantly higher packet number is acknowledged. (This is an area where packet number skipping really hurts us.) > - number of packets (kReorderingThreshold) after it has been - acknowledged. This indicates that the unacknowledged packet is either lost - or reordered beyond the specified threshold. This mechanism combines both - TCP's FastRetransmit and FACK mechanisms. - - * If a packet is near the tail, where fewer than kReorderingThreshold packets - are sent after it, the sender cannot expect to detect loss based on the - previous mechanism. In this case, a sender uses both ack information and an - alarm to detect loss. Specifically, when the last sent packet is - acknowledged, the sender waits a short period of time to allow for - reordering and then marks any unacknowledged packets as lost. This mechanism + * When at least one packet that was sent a threshold number of packets + (kReorderingThreshold) after an unacknowledged packet is acknowledged. This + indicates that the unacknowledged packet is either lost or reordered beyond + the specified threshold. This mechanism combines both TCP's FastRetransmit + and FACK mechanisms. `[citation needed]` > - - * If a packet is near the tail, where fewer than kReorderingThreshold packets - are sent after it, the sender cannot expect to detect loss based on the - previous mechanism. In this case, a sender uses both ack information and an - alarm to detect loss. Specifically, when the last sent packet is - acknowledged, the sender waits a short period of time to allow for - reordering and then marks any unacknowledged packets as lost. This mechanism + * When at least one packet that was sent a threshold number of packets + (kReorderingThreshold) after an unacknowledged packet is acknowledged. This + indicates that the unacknowledged packet is either lost or reordered beyond + the specified threshold. This mechanism combines both TCP's FastRetransmit + and FACK mechanisms. + + * When a short period of time has elapsed after the last sent packet is + acknowledged, with unacknowledged packets near the tail (fewer than + kReorderingThreshold packets sent after them). The sender cannot expect to I know that I'm tired, but I simply cannot parse this sentence at all. I can't offer advice on how to make this comprehensible, but I do think that you need to explain that this isn't loss according to the definitions of the reordering threshold and RTO. This is a way of using the dead air after transmission ceases to more proactively repair gaps near the end of the transmission. Structurally, I think that you want to come at this differently. There are two elementary parameters: the reordering threshold and the retransmission timeout. Explain those first. Then explain the limitations of those mechanisms: when the sender has nothing more to send, reordering no longer works, which slows repair toward the end of a transmission. Repairing gaps near the end on a shorter timer ensures that you don't fall back on the relatively slow RTO. Preemptively retransmitting data in an additional packet triggers that shorter timer and can be used to provide redundancy for trailing data. > - * Instead of a packet threshold to tolerate reordering, a QUIC sender may use - a time threshold. This allows for senders to be tolerant of short periods of - significant reordering. In this mechanism, a QUIC sender marks a packet as - lost when a packet larger than it is acknowledged and a threshold amount of - time has passed since the packet was sent. +The above mechanisms use a packet threshold to tolerate +reordering. Alternatively, a QUIC sender may use a time threshold. This allows I think that we need to be clearer about how the time threshold plays into this. I would prefer to see the reordering and time thresholds described together. If it makes sense in some cases to disable the time threshold, then describe those conditions. If it makes sense to disable the time threshold except for certain scenarios, you can effectively disable the time threshold by increasing its value. > - * Handshake packets, which contain STREAM frames for stream 0, are - critical to QUIC transport and crypto negotiation, so a separate alarm - period is used for them. +Handshake packets, which contain STREAM frames for stream 0, are critical to +QUIC transport and crypto negotiation, so a separate (more aggressive) alarm I would say shorter rather than more aggressive. "Aggressiveness" isn't really a property we care about. General comment: if you intend to talk about specific tuning variables (as you do for the reordering threshold), please be consistent about referencing all of those variables. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  QUIC uses a combination of ack information and alarms to detect lost packets.
 An unacknowledged QUIC packet is marked as lost in one of the following ways:
 
-  * A packet is marked as lost if at least one packet that was sent a threshold
-    number of packets (kReorderingThreshold) after it has been
-    acknowledged. This indicates that the unacknowledged packet is either lost
-    or reordered beyond the specified threshold. This mechanism combines both
-    TCP's FastRetransmit and FACK mechanisms.
-
-  * If a packet is near the tail, where fewer than kReorderingThreshold packets
-    are sent after it, the sender cannot expect to detect loss based on the
-    previous mechanism. In this case, a sender uses both ack information and an
-    alarm to detect loss. Specifically, when the last sent packet is
-    acknowledged, the sender waits a short period of time to allow for
-    reordering and then marks any unacknowledged packets as lost. This mechanism
+  * When at least one packet that was sent a threshold number of packets

I'm finding "a threshold number of packets" really hard to parse. I think that you want to say that a packet is declared lost when a packet with a significantly higher packet number is acknowledged. (This is an area where packet number skipping really hurts us.)

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -    number of packets (kReorderingThreshold) after it has been
-    acknowledged. This indicates that the unacknowledged packet is either lost
-    or reordered beyond the specified threshold. This mechanism combines both
-    TCP's FastRetransmit and FACK mechanisms.
-
-  * If a packet is near the tail, where fewer than kReorderingThreshold packets
-    are sent after it, the sender cannot expect to detect loss based on the
-    previous mechanism. In this case, a sender uses both ack information and an
-    alarm to detect loss. Specifically, when the last sent packet is
-    acknowledged, the sender waits a short period of time to allow for
-    reordering and then marks any unacknowledged packets as lost. This mechanism
+  * When at least one packet that was sent a threshold number of packets
+    (kReorderingThreshold) after an unacknowledged packet is acknowledged. This
+    indicates that the unacknowledged packet is either lost or reordered beyond
+    the specified threshold. This mechanism combines both TCP's FastRetransmit
+    and FACK mechanisms.

[citation needed]

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -
-  * If a packet is near the tail, where fewer than kReorderingThreshold packets
-    are sent after it, the sender cannot expect to detect loss based on the
-    previous mechanism. In this case, a sender uses both ack information and an
-    alarm to detect loss. Specifically, when the last sent packet is
-    acknowledged, the sender waits a short period of time to allow for
-    reordering and then marks any unacknowledged packets as lost. This mechanism
+  * When at least one packet that was sent a threshold number of packets
+    (kReorderingThreshold) after an unacknowledged packet is acknowledged. This
+    indicates that the unacknowledged packet is either lost or reordered beyond
+    the specified threshold. This mechanism combines both TCP's FastRetransmit
+    and FACK mechanisms.
+
+  * When a short period of time has elapsed after the last sent packet is
+    acknowledged, with unacknowledged packets near the tail (fewer than
+    kReorderingThreshold packets sent after them). The sender cannot expect to

I know that I'm tired, but I simply cannot parse this sentence at all. I can't offer advice on how to make this comprehensible, but I do think that you need to explain that this isn't loss according to the definitions of the reordering threshold and RTO. This is a way of using the dead air after transmission ceases to more proactively repair gaps near the end of the transmission.

Structurally, I think that you want to come at this differently. There are two elementary parameters: the reordering threshold and the retransmission timeout. Explain those first. Then explain the limitations of those mechanisms: when the sender has nothing more to send, reordering no longer works, which slows repair toward the end of a transmission. Repairing gaps near the end on a shorter timer ensures that you don't fall back on the relatively slow RTO. Preemptively retransmitting data in an additional packet triggers that shorter timer and can be used to provide redundancy for trailing data.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-  * Instead of a packet threshold to tolerate reordering, a QUIC sender may use
-    a time threshold. This allows for senders to be tolerant of short periods of
-    significant reordering. In this mechanism, a QUIC sender marks a packet as
-    lost when a packet larger than it is acknowledged and a threshold amount of
-    time has passed since the packet was sent.
+The above mechanisms use a packet threshold to tolerate
+reordering. Alternatively, a QUIC sender may use a time threshold. This allows

I think that we need to be clearer about how the time threshold plays into this. I would prefer to see the reordering and time thresholds described together. If it makes sense in some cases to disable the time threshold, then describe those conditions. If it makes sense to disable the time threshold except for certain scenarios, you can effectively disable the time threshold by increasing its value.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-  * Handshake packets, which contain STREAM frames for stream 0, are
-    critical to QUIC transport and crypto negotiation, so a separate alarm
-    period is used for them.
+Handshake packets, which contain STREAM frames for stream 0, are critical to
+QUIC transport and crypto negotiation, so a separate (more aggressive) alarm

I would say shorter rather than more aggressive. "Aggressiveness" isn't really a property we care about.

General comment: if you intend to talk about specific tuning variables (as you do for the reordering threshold), please be consistent about referencing all of those variables.

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If a version of +QUIC needs to define a new format for transport parameters, it MUST define and +use a new TLS extension rather than redefine the layout of the existing @ianswett, let's say that we don't change the format of the transport parameters for version 1. We also have a server that supports version 1 and some hypothetical version 4. With the current format, a server that selects version 1 will send advertise transport parameters starting with the bytes 0x0008, 0x00000004, 0x00000001 (a length, followed by version 4 and version 1). After that, it will have some lengths and TLVs for parameters. However, if version 4 decides to change the transport parameters, then the client that is subject to spoofing of a version negotiation packet might find that they interpret transport parameters differently. If version 4 is sufficiently similar to version 1 in other ways, you could even end up in a situation where the client and server disagree on what version they are speaking. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1131,6 +1131,13 @@ client MUST terminate with a QUIC_VERSION_NEGOTIATION_MISMATCH error code if
 version negotiation occurred but it would have selected a different version
 based on the value of the supported_versions list.
 
+The position and size of the version validation fields in the transport
+parameters MUST NOT change between different versions of QUIC.  If a version of
+QUIC needs to define a new format for transport parameters, it MUST define and
+use a new TLS extension rather than redefine the layout of the existing

@ianswett, let's say that we don't change the format of the transport parameters for version 1. We also have a server that supports version 1 and some hypothetical version 4.

With the current format, a server that selects version 1 will send advertise transport parameters starting with the bytes 0x0008, 0x00000004, 0x00000001 (a length, followed by version 4 and version 1). After that, it will have some lengths and TLVs for parameters.

However, if version 4 decides to change the transport parameters, then the client that is subject to spoofing of a version negotiation packet might find that they interpret transport parameters differently. If version 4 is sufficiently similar to version 1 in other ways, you could even end up in a situation where the client and server disagree on what version they are speaking.

For instance, the above value could be interpreted as being valid against a different schema.

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I was going to write something up about this in Applicability, once we settle treatment of the Connection ID in the protocol.

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In a simultaneous migration, you have A1->A2 simultaneous with B1-&= gt;B2. As the change happens, A2 sends to B1, B2 sends to A1. How does A = decide that A2 to B2 is the path it should use?

If each endpoint uses the rules:

  1. "Send FROM your new address"
  2. "Send TO the latest address you've heard from"

Then, after "A2 send to B1" and "B2 send to A1", A (on A1) will have h= eard from B (sent from B2). Hence, A will send from A2 to B2.

By the way, I do not see NAT as a problem here. When A sends from A2 = (NAT exit point), NAT will associate A2 with A.

(Assumption here is that NAT does not validate an entire 5-tuple. Ins= tead, compatible NATs only care about the local address/port.)

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An unacknowledged QUIC packet is marked as lost in one of the following ways: - * A packet is marked as lost if at least one packet that was sent a threshold - number of packets (kReorderingThreshold) after it has been - acknowledged. This indicates that the unacknowledged packet is either lost - or reordered beyond the specified threshold. This mechanism combines both - TCP's FastRetransmit and FACK mechanisms. - - * If a packet is near the tail, where fewer than kReorderingThreshold packets - are sent after it, the sender cannot expect to detect loss based on the - previous mechanism. In this case, a sender uses both ack information and an - alarm to detect loss. Specifically, when the last sent packet is - acknowledged, the sender waits a short period of time to allow for - reordering and then marks any unacknowledged packets as lost. This mechanism + * When at least one packet that was sent a threshold number of packets I agree it's a bit hard to read. Packet number skipping doesn't matter, because the sender knows it skipped packets. It does introduce extra work in that case, but it's easily solvable. > - * Instead of a packet threshold to tolerate reordering, a QUIC sender may use - a time threshold. This allows for senders to be tolerant of short periods of - significant reordering. In this mechanism, a QUIC sender marks a packet as - lost when a packet larger than it is acknowledged and a threshold amount of - time has passed since the packet was sent. +The above mechanisms use a packet threshold to tolerate +reordering. Alternatively, a QUIC sender may use a time threshold. This allows I tend to agree. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/536#discussion_r117386165 ----==_mimepart_591e45a5edf62_5d3a3fddbc9efc30100390 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  QUIC uses a combination of ack information and alarms to detect lost packets.
 An unacknowledged QUIC packet is marked as lost in one of the following ways:
 
-  * A packet is marked as lost if at least one packet that was sent a threshold
-    number of packets (kReorderingThreshold) after it has been
-    acknowledged. This indicates that the unacknowledged packet is either lost
-    or reordered beyond the specified threshold. This mechanism combines both
-    TCP's FastRetransmit and FACK mechanisms.
-
-  * If a packet is near the tail, where fewer than kReorderingThreshold packets
-    are sent after it, the sender cannot expect to detect loss based on the
-    previous mechanism. In this case, a sender uses both ack information and an
-    alarm to detect loss. Specifically, when the last sent packet is
-    acknowledged, the sender waits a short period of time to allow for
-    reordering and then marks any unacknowledged packets as lost. This mechanism
+  * When at least one packet that was sent a threshold number of packets

I agree it's a bit hard to read. Packet number skipping doesn't matter, because the sender knows it skipped packets. It does introduce extra work in that case, but it's easily solvable.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-  * Instead of a packet threshold to tolerate reordering, a QUIC sender may use
-    a time threshold. This allows for senders to be tolerant of short periods of
-    significant reordering. In this mechanism, a QUIC sender marks a packet as
-    lost when a packet larger than it is acknowledged and a threshold amount of
-    time has passed since the packet was sent.
+The above mechanisms use a packet threshold to tolerate
+reordering. Alternatively, a QUIC sender may use a time threshold. This allows

I tend to agree.

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If latest heard from does not mean highest packet number seen rather than last packet received, this could fail.

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----==_mimepart_591e89a866b0e_14763f960b185c3c60628-- From nobody Fri May 19 00:13:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3648F129B98 for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 00:12:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RYh_zMANuUdj for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 00:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext4.iad.github.net [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8ABA012EB95 for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 00:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 00:08:14 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1495177694; bh=EA4x9WYVXMknwCt8CPxdEWzExDQe0rOqFaM56QF5LWk=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bo3xcfL1YP0T3Fv9onPDu0j8cUg7igyKt3uBTS8FEU9XEsUQidj+yA9mMso0bxZ92 pMqqSEMnL3xW0L2ioHEjpLEvur6SBouBtdS3/N7Uo8F4YBqV2+CHx3p9rO/O0+IHSP Ig3DUudl9S5OW2hc9r/Jrv9GVPRPzpr8pff8/NCQ= From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] latest_rtt should be defined as a "variable of interest" (#539) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_591e99de8e2b1_35ad3fe84ef4bc3c834f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 07:12:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_591e99de8e2b1_35ad3fe84ef4bc3c834f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit `latest_rtt` is mentioned in the definition of `time_reordering_fraction` in Section 3.2.2, but isn't itself defined anywhere. However, `DetectLostPackets()` uses it. My guess is that it is basically the same as the `rtt_sample` variable computed as a side effect in the pseudo code for `OnAckReceived()`. Should `rtt_sample` be replaced with `latest_rtt` here, and `latest_rtt` be defined as a variable? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/539 ----==_mimepart_591e99de8e2b1_35ad3fe84ef4bc3c834f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

latest_rtt is mentioned in the definition of time_reordering_fraction in Section 3.2.2, but isn't itself defined anywhere. However, DetectLostPackets() uses it.

My guess is that it is basically the same as the rtt_sample variable computed as a side effect in the pseudo code for OnAckReceived(). Should rtt_sample be replaced with latest_rtt here, and latest_rtt be defined as a variable?

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It sees like time_of_last_sent_packet should be defined somewhere as a connection-level variable?

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I'm not sure if the pseudo code around the sent_packets association correctly handles the case of duplicate ACKs. It seems that ACKed packets are removed from the association on first ACK, and information about them is therefore not present anymore when a repeated or duplicated ACK arrives?

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Even if it is strictly "last received", how would it fail? At worst, it would take an extra rtt to settle, in case pre-migration and post-migration packets get re-ordered.

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----==_mimepart_591f0addab216_72f93ff97fb7dc3054526-- From nobody Fri May 19 08:27:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3343E12945E for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 08:27:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.183 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.183 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p1UXE46-B5ln for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 08:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECCC4129422 for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 08:27:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=d4Vtx7erGpWjpD4gAk111v7Cd8o=; b=JYjkxCt6/zFhn1Uq EzGFcsXIXNa0ts9GtwyJFK9wCnFyeKKJ9u6lLLVH45esbWowDLjyLo6EHjUvJfJr j68Zrr9WLrDEcUFAOyD5t4znI3fJEH29vmimBTBrI8VC9YcZLxcq1z11ceQzIXGx BsaZM5yAUT+3Rw3PeGdIjc9f590= Received: by filter0690p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0690p1mdw1-29747-591F0EC0-57 2017-05-19 15:26:56.79723624 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id tGJTGgwARfyto8741Rzgwg for ; Fri, 19 May 2017 15:26:56.743 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 08:26:56 -0700 From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Simultaneous connection migration (#490) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_591f0ec0738ba_4c533fdf2087fc3c136e1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2NySQITCyHEyg1669iRmoW6Zg3jaFFL1H5iI DfaqsiY4hlOnjwIIk/ngvttvLhkEDbWNaMOYl0ibHhxYtd+xxUuV55WrVNv+sW7kHOe5qfZ/dDiaom uB042PKFAMf6To06/XT6xXaCsmHfoTT90IYecnKwTIiwlLziQ1WoTdbxJrHav1YhketfqlBgzWir4K o= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 15:27:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_591f0ec0738ba_4c533fdf2087fc3c136e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Even if it is strictly "last received", how would it fail? At worst, it would take an extra rtt to settle, in case pre-migration and post-migration packets get re-ordered. right, though sender might be lazy with acks resulting in unexpected latency. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/490#issuecomment-302733931 ----==_mimepart_591f0ec0738ba_4c533fdf2087fc3c136e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Even if it is strictly "last received", how would it fail? At worst, it = would take an extra rtt to settle, in case pre-migration and post-migration= packets get re-ordered.

right, though sender might be lazy with acks resulting in unexpected lat= ency.

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IP might not be OK. I think that a CGN will randomize in an unpredictab= le fashion, but if they don't it would be possible to do a reflection attac= k on hosts that share a CGN. I agree that's narrow, and probably not very = compelling, but nonetheless it suggests that in general we can't consider a= change in port alone to be perfectly safe. Probably safe with caveats mig= ht be OK, and we might allow a higher initial value for that, but I don't s= ee any real harm in starting the congestion control over again.

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59222e79a17dc_56683fd2c7779c3017404c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 00:19:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59222e79a17dc_56683fd2c7779c3017404c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 6de5e8cda18bb448e880a5d48b3772ae07a671de https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6de5e8cda18bb448e880a5d48b3772ae07a671de Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-09 (Tue, 09 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Force the server and client to remember transport parameters for 0-RTT This includes Victor's recommendation to avoid the client violating server constraints on operation. This means that the server that accepts 0-RTT is required to provide new transport parameters that are compatible with its previously advertised value, or reject 0-RTT. I made this easier on servers, by allowing them to advertise different transport parameters that only apply to 0-RTT. They include these values in the TLS NewSessionTicket message, alongside the ticket that is used to resume. Commit: 2eeef08c4261bf69da7dee9200288187cdc3576d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2eeef08c4261bf69da7dee9200288187cdc3576d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-21 (Sun, 21 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #512 from quicwg/0rtt_parameters Force the server and client to remember transport parameters for 0-RTT Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/93467b4e45a4...2eeef08c4261 ----==_mimepart_59222e79a17dc_56683fd2c7779c3017404c-- From nobody Sun May 21 17:19:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A229129AE3 for ; Sun, 21 May 2017 17:19:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.903 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.903 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=0.001, TVD_SPACE_RATIO_MINFP=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Mon, 22 May 2017 04:06:21.811 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 21:06:21 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Reduce the number of offset lengths in a stream frame (#430) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_592263bdb1cb3_55ed3fee1b89bc34163b1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak17MK+a7ty7EOkLuxzz46kRaz1TIlslig4HAV rk5FR8D0lCM++SOhM47f36tox/fNj8I3No8Hlh59AdaIe4zHQ+AWgvq3jkfUrQO/oGWg3AsW924Dr2 TSgObPIHeUxwHP4fn6zYnE1APPLCcCmW3NsL1grOJ4RLPuC8DdyOI2S+lbMzomdO+23bXSO1DiP1do k= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 04:06:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_592263bdb1cb3_55ed3fee1b89bc34163b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was a little surprised to see this change was merged. @ianswett, this change to the transport doc wasn't reviewed by either @janaiyengar or myself; nor do I see any discussion on the list. In this case, I think that it's a big improvement, so I've no objection, but I don't think we should be merging changes to documents without the approval of at least one editor. (And sorry for not reviewing this, I don't know how I missed it.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/430#issuecomment-302994491 ----==_mimepart_592263bdb1cb3_55ed3fee1b89bc34163b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I was a little surprised to see this change was merged.

@ianswett= , this change to the transport doc wasn't reviewed by either @janaiyengar or= myself; nor do I see any discussion on the list. In this case, I think th= at it's a big improvement, so I've no objection, but I don't think we shoul= d be merging changes to documents without the approval of at least one edit= or.

(And sorry for not reviewing this, I don't know how I missed it.)

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -332,6 +332,9 @@ Pseudocode for OnPacketSent follows:
 
 When an ack is received, it may acknowledge 0 or more packets.
 
+The sender MUST abort the connection if it receives an ACK for a packet it
+never sent, see {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.

This doesn't say what error to use, if any.

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Hmm, also, this is the wrong draft to put that text in.

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#415 was submitted, but I think that that was in error.

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There were a few errors in #512. Foremost of those was that the presence of absence of version fields in the transport parameters wasn't defined for NewSessionTicket. We don't need version fields in that message.

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I also corrected the change log. Closes #547. 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Closes #547

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  • Add changelog entries for -03 drafts, make formatting uniform
  • Transport parameters that are included in NewSessionTicket don't need versions

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To be clear, I think that the transport document is where this sort of requirement belongs.

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In the HTML version of the draft-ietf-quic-transport-03 document in section 5.1, there's a broken reference. It looks as:

   Packet Number:  Octets 9 to 12 contain the packet number.  {{packet-
      numbers} describes the use of packet numbers.

While it should've become a link to the "5.8 Packet Numbers" section, surely.

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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +papers, and common practice.  Some may need to be changed or negotiated
+in order to better suit a variety of environments.
+
+kInitialWindow (default 10 * 1500 bytes):
+: Default limit on the amount of outstanding data in bytes.
+
+kLossReductionFactor (default 0.5):
+: Reduction in congestion window when a new loss event is detected.
+
+
+## Variables of interest
+
+Variables required to implement the congestion control mechanisms
+are described in this section.
+
+bytes_in_flight:

What exactly is this measuring: IP, UDP and QUIC header? ACK's, or just the sum of retransmittable frames, or just stream payload?

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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +transport parameters that the server advertises during connection establishment
+are used.
+
+A server can remember the transport parameters that it advertised, or store an
+integrity-protected copy of the values in the ticket and recover the information
+when accepting 0-RTT data.  A server uses the transport parameters in
+determining whether to accept 0-RTT data.
+
+A server MAY accept 0-RTT and subsequently provide different values for
+transport parameters for use in the new connection.  If 0-RTT data is accepted
+by the server, the server MUST NOT reduce any limits or alter any values that
+might be violated by the client with its 0-RTT data.  In particular, a server
+that accepts 0-RTT data MUST NOT set values for initial_max_data or
+initial_max_stream_data that are smaller than the remembered value of those
+parameters.  Similarly, a server MUST NOT reduce the value of
+initial_max_stream_id.

If it is not a security issue, why force the client to ensure the server complies with the overhead this involves rather than just require that server to comply and have the connection eventually fail if the server doesn't. There are endless other ways a server might fail to comply that will only eventually result in failure.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +papers, and common practice.  Some may need to be changed or negotiated
+in order to better suit a variety of environments.
+
+kInitialWindow (default 10 * 1500 bytes):
+: Default limit on the amount of outstanding data in bytes.
+
+kLossReductionFactor (default 0.5):
+: Reduction in congestion window when a new loss event is detected.
+
+
+## Variables of interest
+
+Variables required to implement the congestion control mechanisms
+are described in this section.
+
+bytes_in_flight:

@mikkelfj, good question. Could you open an issue?

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#395 mentions bytes_in_flight, but does specify what this means: IP, UDP and QUIC header? ACK's, or just the sum of retransmittable frames, or just stream payload?

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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +papers, and common practice.  Some may need to be changed or negotiated
+in order to better suit a variety of environments.
+
+kInitialWindow (default 10 * 1500 bytes):
+: Default limit on the amount of outstanding data in bytes.
+
+kLossReductionFactor (default 0.5):
+: Reduction in congestion window when a new loss event is detected.
+
+
+## Variables of interest
+
+Variables required to implement the congestion control mechanisms
+are described in this section.
+
+bytes_in_flight:

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +transport parameters that the server advertises during connection establishment
+are used.
+
+A server can remember the transport parameters that it advertised, or store an
+integrity-protected copy of the values in the ticket and recover the information
+when accepting 0-RTT data.  A server uses the transport parameters in
+determining whether to accept 0-RTT data.
+
+A server MAY accept 0-RTT and subsequently provide different values for
+transport parameters for use in the new connection.  If 0-RTT data is accepted
+by the server, the server MUST NOT reduce any limits or alter any values that
+might be violated by the client with its 0-RTT data.  In particular, a server
+that accepts 0-RTT data MUST NOT set values for initial_max_data or
+initial_max_stream_data that are smaller than the remembered value of those
+parameters.  Similarly, a server MUST NOT reduce the value of
+initial_max_stream_id.

Let's take the maximum stream number as an example.

We have two choices: allow the server to set any value, or force the server to provide a value that is >= the value is knows that the client might use.

Given that the client might have used up to the previously-agreed limit, if we allow a smaller limit in the handshake, that creates an unusual condition on the server. It sets a limit that it can't enforce uniformly. It has to use two limits when deciding whether the client is misbehaving. That's a bunch of special code.

In this design, we chose the simpler option. The only cost is that if the server wants to both accept 0-RTT and reduce limits, then it can't. That little bit of logic is the only place where we have special code. It can still do things like reset streams and withhold increases to any limit in order to manage its costs.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +papers, and common practice.  Some may need to be changed or negotiated
+in order to better suit a variety of environments.
+
+kInitialWindow (default 10 * 1500 bytes):
+: Default limit on the amount of outstanding data in bytes.
+
+kLossReductionFactor (default 0.5):
+: Reduction in congestion window when a new loss event is detected.
+
+
+## Variables of interest
+
+Variables required to implement the congestion control mechanisms
+are described in this section.
+
+bytes_in_flight:

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I tend to agree, now that you mention it. The reference to a connection close error makes it clearer to me that it should be in transport.

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I remember Jana and I discussing it, but next time I'll make sure one of you approves it on Github.

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> IP might not be OK. I think that a CGN will randomize in an unpredicta= ble
> fashion, but if they don't it would be possible to do a reflection= attack
> on hosts that share a CGN. I agree that's narrow, and probably not= very
> compelling, but nonetheless it suggests that in general we can't c= onsider a
> change in port alone to be perfectly safe.
>
I'm not really following the difference between CGN behavior and NAT
behavior here that is causing you to draw a different conclusion for NAT
rebindings and CGN rebindings. Are you seeing a case where the NAT has
re-bound and the CGN then rebinds as increasing the risk that the return
traffic is not seen?

> Probably safe with caveats might be OK, and we might allow a higher
> initial value for that, but I don't see any real harm in starting = the
> congestion control over again.
>
I think the data we have so far indicates that a port-only change doesn'= ;t
require this, and I think it would substantially increase the number of
times you had to restart the controller.

Ted


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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1131,6 +1131,13 @@ client MUST terminate with a QUIC_VERSION_NEGOTIATION_MISMATCH error code if
 version negotiation occurred but it would have selected a different version
 based on the value of the supported_versions list.
 
+The position and size of the version validation fields in the transport
+parameters MUST NOT change between different versions of QUIC.  If a version of
+QUIC needs to define a new format for transport parameters, it MUST define and
+use a new TLS extension rather than redefine the layout of the existing

I believe I now understand what you're saying. I keep thinking the entire packet is protected, but it's not.

The current wording is still a bit confusing to me, I think Victor had some suggestions on how to make it clearer.

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I'll send you a PR to state what GQUIC does today. That's not to say it's the only way to count bytes, but it's quite analogous to how TCP does it, which I think is a good start.

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Fixed Issue #550

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  • Clarify bytes_in_flight

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Closed #544.

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I believe #409 closes this.

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Resolved #540

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And remove rtt_sample.

Resolves #539

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:) If Jana said it's OK, that's fine. I also think that it's OK.

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----==_mimepart_59237d6677532_28c73f805ea5dc3c6965a-- From nobody Mon May 22 17:11:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0181129462 for ; Mon, 22 May 2017 17:11:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.396 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.396 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T1zM64O6lxIZ for ; Mon, 22 May 2017 17:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BB68128D3E for ; Mon, 22 May 2017 17:11:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=Auu+1sH3pXOuYttx4Uy8i6sQfFA=; b=jV8q85wuONKitncq k6jUOiGCem4P2rQpksmTOr9Axxi9WeEt+QvLZ/2CZn8G8XP4TgJa4FtL2nr5lIvU czy2F7xhjsuzOwjzrREI20v/ZRaveQLuXNkuChZG1BhuAJev8Z1UW1qna8EAQMb6 F35wQ5N60QKPjRf4NSbHHzMA/BA= Received: by filter0837p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0837p1mdw1-19006-59237E33-40 2017-05-23 00:11:32.011980655 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id LVTlqFquTYeKFEbME4AAtQ for ; Tue, 23 May 2017 00:11:31.989 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 17:11:31 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Address change and consent to send (#161) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59237e33d42c7_71e3f7e77e4fc3478959"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0jbADbrBujtizHnUH6DO4V7D03OihIC9vb6P tb5kn4JI1kFRjUsi9rESSMhsareJOSZo8ebNrNz1oU5a/ybx2PLyvFXxT3+UE3f5jofnYm5pAKILOx 39jIkbya0zdmu56wwicYWs+0aU2BI4ND2olRuJNGoxZclGYIM+SBaBDbvJAOmDKgJ2FzWyftTmT85Q s= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 00:11:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59237e33d42c7_71e3f7e77e4fc3478959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, this is generically applicable to NAT. I'd be interested in that data. You might be seeing less enterprise traffic, so I'd keep that as a caveat. Because when you have a whitelist for port-only changes you get some potential issues there. Unless you think that there is no reason why one enterprise user might be motivated to attack another host on the same network. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/161#issuecomment-303253792 ----==_mimepart_59237e33d42c7_71e3f7e77e4fc3478959 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, this is generically applicable to NAT.

I'd be interested in that data. You might be seeing less enterprise tra= ffic, so I'd keep that as a caveat. Because when you have a whitelist for = port-only changes you get some potential issues there. Unless you think th= at there is no reason why one enterprise user might be motivated to attack = another host on the same network.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -615,6 +615,8 @@ are described in this section.
 bytes_in_flight:
 : The sum of the size in bytes of all sent packets that contain at least
   one retransmittable frame, and have not been acked or declared lost.
+  The size does not include IP or UDP overhead.  Ack only frames do not
+  count towards byte_in_flight.

Ouch, that's kinda ugly. You are saying that if you include a PING, plus a 999 octet ACK, then you have 1000 octets in flight, but drop the ping and you have 0. I wonder what impact that has on traffic analysis.

I understand that TCP doesn't do this, but is there any reason why we need to copy that? A packet that is sent is still creating congestion.

In any case, I think that this needs to be clearer. This counts the entire QUIC packet, including the header and any overhead added by packet protection or integrity. QUIC packets that only contain ACK frames are not counted.

What - if any - impact does PADDING have on this?

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wrote:

> Unless you think that there is no reason why one enterprise user migh= t be
> motivated to attack another host on the same network.
>
> So, the threat model is user X sets up a connection to server Z, recei= ving
port N of IP xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.
user X detects that if User Y were to set up a connection, Port K would be<= br> used with the same xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx. Alternatively, port K has been
allocated for some other connection of user Y's.
User X then begins to emit packets with xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:K as source.
(The firewall and NAT pass these for reasons we cannot ken)
User Y receives the traffic. In case one, it clogs the (physical) port.
In case two, it messes with the established connection.

I'd hazard a guess that firewall and NAT prevention of this is high eno= ugh
that keeping the connection window open while doing a PING/PONG still makes=
sense, but I agree that I did not think of this particular threat model.

Ted




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Yes, if we assume that the attacker's resources are limited to those tha= t exist behind the same NAT/firewall, it's pretty tricky to mount that atta= ck.

In the end, I would prefer to have some simple blanket rules, followed b= y an explanation of some cases in which certain rules might be lifted. Sam= e-port migrations might be one of those cases.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -615,6 +615,8 @@ are described in this section.
 bytes_in_flight:
 : The sum of the size in bytes of all sent packets that contain at least
   one retransmittable frame, and have not been acked or declared lost.
+  The size does not include IP or UDP overhead.  Ack only frames do not
+  count towards byte_in_flight.

We don't need to copy what TCP does, but I thought it makes sense to document a reasonable option, and make that similar to TCP.

I'll also note there's not much evidence we have to agree on the same bytes_in_flight accounting across implementations. The most important thing is internal consistency.

The reason acks shouldn't count towards bytes in flight is one never wants to delay an ack due to lack of congestion window. We could say they count, but you send them immediately anyway, but I think it's equally ugly.

Good point on PADDING, because they are not retransmittable, but we do count them towards bytes in flight in the GQUIC implementation, and I tend to think they should be counted.

So I'd say we have three options I can think of:

  1. Land an updated version of this in order to document a TCP like approach and discuss this further at the interim.
  2. Do nothing, and hope we get to this at the interim.
  3. Do nothing, because we're happy letting implementations do what they want, just like TCP implementations do.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -615,6 +615,8 @@ are described in this section.
 bytes_in_flight:
 : The sum of the size in bytes of all sent packets that contain at least
   one retransmittable frame, and have not been acked or declared lost.
+  The size does not include IP or UDP overhead.  Ack only frames do not
+  count towards byte_in_flight.

The reason acks shouldn't count towards bytes in flight is one never wants to delay an ack due to lack of congestion window.

You can count acknowledgment-only packets, and it will only cause bytes_in_flight to hit the critical threshold faster. If you want to send an ACK without paying attention to the congestion window, then you could move the special logic to the sending of a packet:

if (!congested) {
  packet.send();
} else if (packet.contains(ACK)) {
  packet.strip_everything_except(ACK);
  packet.send();
}

I think that we should probably discuss at some point. I have no problem with landing something that is more concrete than what we currently have in the meantime.

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We had consensus to use FNV-1a to provide integrity for packets in non-adversarial settings. However as observed in #522, we still have to potentially worry about packet injection from off-path attackers. A natural design is to have the pre-handshake integrity check be somehow keyed by information in the ClientHello (e.g., the conn id). In this case, we would probably want to use something more like HMAC, though it's not necessarily required.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know. That duplicate ACKs aren't handled make the current pseudo code IMO not very useful. However, complicating it a lot is also not great. Would some comments in the pseudo code be a middle ground? Or at least the text should explain the issue and that the pseudo code is not handling it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/541#issuecomment-303294429 ----==_mimepart_5923c902218a2_16443f95ee991c2c74757 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't know. That duplicate ACKs aren't handled make the current pseu= do code IMO not very useful. However, complicating it a lot is also not g= reat. Would some comments in the pseudo code be a middle ground? Or at le= ast the text should explain the issue and that the pseudo code is not han= dling it.

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> Yes, if we assume that the attacker's resources are limited to tho= se that
> exist behind the same NAT/firewall, it's pretty tricky to mount th= at attack.
>
> In the end, I would prefer to have some simple blanket rules, followed= by
> an explanation of some cases in which certain rules might be lifted. > Same-port migrations might be one of those cases.
>
> I think the simplest blanket rules are:

1) If there has been an IP migration, reset the congestion window until a PING returns a PONG.
2) If there has been a port migration, send a PING and reset the congestion=
window if the PONG does not return within 2x previous RTT.


While I use PING/Pong here, any of the methods discussed (packet skipping,<= br> new return routability frame) have the same semantics; I'm more concern= ed
that we get simple blanket rules that don't have us reset the state whe= n we
don't need to.
regards,

Ted




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= ----==_mimepart_592460332bcd6_1e143f8a2f523c3c608f1-- From nobody Tue May 23 18:05:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3310129BCB for ; Tue, 23 May 2017 18:05:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.119 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.119 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uZAHyrqav1PW for ; Tue, 23 May 2017 18:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext8.iad.github.net [192.30.252.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3877129465 for ; Tue, 23 May 2017 18:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 18:05:36 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1495587936; bh=1N/9XhFgFZRjF0X04PhNQmyxicIwOZtk0fnEuBzQ6wc=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=J71KHISbGhpyikSgoavw+0CcpoWMSluVvS9uFpdwkCVSQTtu9I6m6gVckBigEPxfQ CfyFrgLwCrtmdFaX5fHqqmvxazj77RyUfxbzZ4INiaDYgWFsse1ngRWJsWTUvWWLTI LFn5KSMGrjPcJvkecQdogpEaH14QpQw1crj6vJaE= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Address change and consent to send (#161) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5924dc601e025_a173fc27ae99c34724a1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 01:05:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5924dc601e025_a173fc27ae99c34724a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If the PONG doesn't come back, I would say that the path is unusable. I can see the case for restoration in the case of a port-only change, on the assumption that the path between the remote endpoint and the NAT is unlikely to change significantly in terms of characteristics. But an IP change could be onto a path with substantially different characteristics. Here's my proposal: If the IP address or port of a peer changes, reset the congestion window and initiate \. Once the validation completes, if the IP address of the peer did not change, the congestion window MAY be increased to the value it had prior to migration. If the path validation method fails completely after \, mark the path as unusable, which might cause the connection to fail. Question: do we have to consider the possibility that the prior congestion window might decay due to inactivity and account for that here, or is it better to continue to run the old controller, feed all the new signals into it and switch it in? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/161#issuecomment-303585687 ----==_mimepart_5924dc601e025_a173fc27ae99c34724a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If the PONG doesn't come back, I would say that the path is unusable.<= /p>

I can see the case for restoration in the case of a port-only change, = on the assumption that the path between the remote endpoint and the NAT i= s unlikely to change significantly in terms of characteristics. But an = IP change could be onto a path with substantially different characteristi= cs.

Here's my proposal:

If the IP address or port of a peer changes, reset the congestion wind= ow and initiate <insert path validation method here>. Once the val= idation completes, if the IP address of the peer did not change, the cong= estion window MAY be increased to the value it had prior to migration. I= f the path validation method fails completely after <some time>, ma= rk the path as unusable, which might cause the connection to fail.

Question: do we have to consider the possibility that the prior conges= tion window might decay due to inactivity and account for that here, or i= s it better to continue to run the old controller, feed all the new signa= ls into it and switch it in?

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59252344d624d_260a13fe2f2c5bc2c1332c7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 06:08:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59252344d624d_260a13fe2f2c5bc2c1332c7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/bad_ack Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 7cebc6b1449da183d4ebc0290f7d46d9114c8ac7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7cebc6b1449da183d4ebc0290f7d46d9114c8ac7 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-24 (Wed, 24 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- The change in #415 was already in the transport doc Revert "Add skipped packets detection to the OnAckReceived pseudocode (#415)" This reverts commit a02b53911d4bcd0fa84ee1b99e3735ded93cacbe. ----==_mimepart_59252344d624d_260a13fe2f2c5bc2c1332c7-- From nobody Tue May 23 23:08:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22745126E3A for ; Tue, 23 May 2017 23:08:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.253 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.253 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GmYusYlNIR6C for ; Tue, 23 May 2017 23:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A436F1200F3 for ; Tue, 23 May 2017 23:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 23:08:28 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1495606108; bh=ugkJZ9jzUokjSeHRzYnqJE0tKn3kHZWZJTAlVvscFpQ=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=C59UPF4TFWpHoe+EEj9Zy1Bx6XPuqGCCDpN0E+ixnqgSveDN/zB4Jnjkwvti8TwoJ d+EIfgrO5NQNRF8GSrGKpkAtNt2QJq9yQLCxlVQK2H5qQRnebYDanmkN3Kv0KYhLnR 2+otYJ350/FVEdiNdpvwQJ7RY3WHm7RJLFhRSp7Q= From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Reconsider the use of FNV-1a for "cleartext" integrity (#554) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5925235c7370_537e3ff5ea0c9c3c19619"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 06:08:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5925235c7370_537e3ff5ea0c9c3c19619 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think so.... It's rather a way of avoiding injection of bogus handshake packets by off-path attackers. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/554#issuecomment-303626996 ----==_mimepart_5925235c7370_537e3ff5ea0c9c3c19619 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I don't think so.... It's rather a way of avoiding injection of bogus handshake packets by off-path attackers.

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No sense in duplicating text.

Revert "Add skipped packets detection to the OnAckReceived pseudocode (#415)"

This reverts commit a02b539.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/555

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  • The change in #415 was already in the transport doc

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In the current version of the loss recovery draft there's neither a maximum exponent, nor an absolute maximum for the RTO timeout. (In gQUIC these are 10 and 60ms.) Is this an intentional omission?

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----==_mimepart_59259306419a6_e913fbb45ba5c303515c-- From nobody Wed May 24 07:17:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81FF2129527 for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 07:17:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IJ_0iq-y3cNW for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 07:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 113F1128B88 for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 07:17:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=iWCUgYsID98RveBNI3oOrRh5bJc=; b=MMo2bEINTPe3mDXP 0cXWJZb+MrOlHnllLkzRONpPyYsOFhpoG1kRnVDIZCVDbtssj//oKqhIPkRHjYkr 2n/mmBgFs1VO2y+qIv7iwv3mWDnFROn1ISS8ygYSzi0mW7GexfQpu3J+AVWkt4Zg xNy/AfZd7bsP/uGDmSFE0iz6Tp0= Received: by filter0539p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0539p1mdw1-26583-592595EF-5 2017-05-24 14:17:19.047169366 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id xxJfp0v0RcaCclfmp3yMTg for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 14:17:18.971 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 07:17:18 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Limit RTO? (#556) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_592595eed5daa_17c13fbd02bd1c2c784f6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2jO7lBhK5wlli4n0CjfcWs5KpaNP4AZF3Zdq RlqupaUr737kptoAJISCeiyrRVjpFxwW481VdC/hl0oVApJTeuk1kJoarPrxlPSsIgcUyF9JKVQoQA ythwIFo5o1TzNbn7faHDNsNmpt1JSDt7zTxwRCFg9IzTUO+fSmRyS0Xkm1IiUOsun1/Gb1j4Bz5YYp w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 14:17:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_592595eed5daa_17c13fbd02bd1c2c784f6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good point, in practice GQUIC almost always hits the idle timeout long before those limits are hit, particularly the max exponent. I think we should say something about a max, and make it clear either there should not be one, or that there should be and what it is. I can see the benefits of both. Suggestions? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/556#issuecomment-303737642 ----==_mimepart_592595eed5daa_17c13fbd02bd1c2c784f6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Good point, in practice GQUIC almost always hits the idle timeout long b= efore those limits are hit, particularly the max exponent.

I think we should say something about a max, and make it clear either th= ere should not be one, or that there should be and what it is. I can see t= he benefits of both.

Suggestions?

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Seems reasonable for the exponent, but I'm not sure the max timeout value can be discarded so easily. 60ms is much shorter than the ICSL, so it should make a difference from time to time, right?

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Oh wait, nvm. I though it was 60ms, but it's 60s. Then I agree with you fully.

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Yes, 60ms as a max would be insanely short. I thought you just mis-typed before.

Should I document the 60s max then?

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----==_mimepart_59259b593b577_6e973ff9e2821c2c1003d1-- From nobody Wed May 24 07:40:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D3E612955A for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 07:40:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id za1wcfTAV8pX for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 07:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA26D129B67 for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 07:40:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=3PMqes1V76T0oKrOIaBfTVIG7d0=; b=aATGQ/iuWceHGfPy 1hFV/O1GtvfWzHoHzsOjn/JZZg6zgIjmvda5SvOhfDa6L646gBmEE3vfGwwOsPra jx99L1cpaqrK/WowCykls/w1JebfesvhJy04riS+fwi8Cx15WzF+gahQG0ttgG+w A+qmnVlK/Qil0P9B4Nw/lQIbizI= Received: by filter0621p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0621p1mdw1-3507-59259B59-4 2017-05-24 14:40:25.042155989 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id cGuPUdy6SnKRY0ZwIDzjsA for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 14:40:25.012 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 07:40:24 -0700 From: Lucas Clemente Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Limit RTO? (#556) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59259b58d18c3_2f203fab96b39c382728e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: lucas-clemente X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0fhYne5o2uBDqf+a7Hh9DMznTZsN1EH0gR5u 5f+UNxNH7B8pJUNLFez5/nGIiVPwzLYT87WN5AWxEfgcFQmBM1cs02mN16Rv/jzo0XF4AqPQpvVkzu smdO1/UtI3BSutkwl1WujZRmxK/haVtf7UjxgRCLmNXytmhzqPAZqmuY5JuXfdhT7A9f2xYuzJZQ53 0= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 14:40:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59259b58d18c3_2f203fab96b39c382728e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, just had a brainfart there=E2=80=A6 I don't think it really makes a = difference then, just wanted to make sure it was intentional. --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/556#issuecomment-303744790= ----==_mimepart_59259b58d18c3_2f203fab96b39c382728e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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I haven't read the details, but quic input here: different application= s might want different timeouts. 60s sounds fine, but certain low latency= applications might want to disconnect if it doesn't get a response much = sooner than that and choose another peer. Point being, make room for this= in spec.

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= ----==_mimepart_59259b69113d6_7ce33f8698c3bc3043332-- From nobody Wed May 24 11:16:46 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E515B1293F3 for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 11:16:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QB7W-vE587-A for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 11:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A07D8128D3E for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 11:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 11:16:41 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1495649801; bh=ZWn9bmbTKFI8Ev5RozTEiuhlKA20IC6ldY+j7g3QXak=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xnilutQXwdGyiLHt/fkLc3tfbVQZUvZ1FlJ6f4cTorzu8qpehtp4rnLxdJGxjIsuu lGgRI7yM0/LErJFyfb034+3T972+TgjAlph8qDakzsIIah2OMW84ce3FbQrYIT6lLJ AxFDRf58qywSL5nTXnR2kZbp1fLlvKNzZse4f9sU= From: hardie Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Address change and consent to send (#161) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5925ce0997df6_737e3fc33e18dc38185a8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: hardie X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 18:16:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5925ce0997df6_737e3fc33e18dc38185a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 6:05 PM, Martin Thomson wrote: > If the PONG doesn't come back, I would say that the path is unusable. > > Agreed. > I can see the case for restoration in the case of a port-only change, o= n > the assumption that the path between the remote endpoint and the NAT is= > unlikely to change significantly in terms of characteristics. But an IP= > change could be onto a path with substantially different characteristic= s. > > Here's my proposal: > > If the IP address or port of a peer changes, reset the congestion windo= w > and initiate . Once the validation > completes, if the IP address of the peer did not change, the congestion= > window MAY be increased to the value it had prior to migration. If the = path > validation method fails completely after , mark the path as > unusable, which might cause the connection to fail. > So, there are two types of path changes which could happen here. One is = a change in origin of the path, and an IP change would typically signal tha= t by being in a different address range. So you'd have rough heuristics th= at said if the new IP is in the same /N that it should be treated as likely using the same path but that if it is in a substantially different CIDR block it is likely using a different path. The other change is one in which some path elements are using functions like ECMP to share load acro= ss links. In those cases, a shift in port may also result in a shift in pat= h because the source port is used in the load sharing function. While thos= e functions are generally aimed at keeping the load (and thus congestion) o= n the relevant links in balance, there is no way to guarantee that they are= . As a result, what we do here depends a lot on what we're trying to optimize. If we want to minimize the lost of congestion control state, I= think we end up with something like: If the source IP address or port of a peer changes, reset the congestion window and initiate path validation. If the path validation method fails= after , mark the path as unusable. If the path validation completes, the congestion window MAY be increased to the value it had pri= or to migration; this increase should occur only when it is likely that the change in IP address or port did result in a path change. A change in bo= th port and IP should always be taken as evidence of a path change. If we are trying to minimize the chance that a congestion window gets re-opened inappropriately, I think we get something like this: If the source IP address or port of a peer changes, reset the congestion window and initiate path validation. If the path validation method fails= after , mark the path as unusable. If the path validation completes, the congestion window MAY be increased to the value it had pri= or to migration if only the port has changed and there is no other evidence = in a change in path. > Question: do we have to consider the possibility that the prior congest= ion > window might decay due to inactivity and account for that here, or is i= t > better to continue to run the old controller, feed all the new signals = into > it and switch it in? > In the latter case, you mean that you'd feed the signals into both the ne= w controller created on IP/port change and the controller that existed befo= re the change, swapping the latter in when the path validation succeeded? Ted > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you commented. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/161#issuecomment-303808138= ----==_mimepart_5925ce0997df6_737e3fc33e18dc38185a8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 6:05 PM, Martin Thomson <notifications@github.= com>
wrote:

> If the PONG doesn't come back, I would say that the path is unus= able.
>
> Agreed.

> I can see the case for restoration in the case of a port-only change= , on
> the assumption that the path between the remote endpoint and the NAT= is
> unlikely to change significantly in terms of characteristics. But an= IP
> change could be onto a path with substantially different characteris= tics.
>
> Here's my proposal:
>
> If the IP address or port of a peer changes, reset the congestion wi= ndow
> and initiate <insert path validation method here>. Once the va= lidation
> completes, if the IP address of the peer did not change, the congest= ion
> window MAY be increased to the value it had prior to migration. If t= he path
> validation method fails completely after <some time>, mark the= path as
> unusable, which might cause the connection to fail.
>

So, there are two types of path changes which could happen here. One is = a
change in origin of the path, and an IP change would typically signal tha= t
by being in a different address range. So you'd have rough heuristic= s that
said if the new IP is in the same /N that it should be treated as likely<= br> using the same path but that if it is in a substantially different CIDR block it is likely using a different path. The other change is one in which some path elements are using functions like ECMP to share load acro= ss
links. In those cases, a shift in port may also result in a shift in pat= h
because the source port is used in the load sharing function. While thos= e
functions are generally aimed at keeping the load (and thus congestion) o= n
the relevant links in balance, there is no way to guarantee that they are= .

As a result, what we do here depends a lot on what we're trying to optimize. If we want to minimize the lost of congestion control state, I=
think we end up with something like:

If the source IP address or port of a peer changes, reset the congestion<= br> window and initiate path validation. If the path validation method fails=
after <some time>, mark the path as unusable. If the path validati= on
completes, the congestion window MAY be increased to the value it had pri= or
to migration; this increase should occur only when it is likely that the<= br> change in IP address or port did result in a path change. A change in bo= th
port and IP should always be taken as evidence of a path change.

If we are trying to minimize the chance that a congestion window gets
= re-opened inappropriately, I think we get something like this:

If the source IP address or port of a peer changes, reset the congestion<= br> window and initiate path validation. If the path validation method fails=
after <some time>, mark the path as unusable. If the path validati= on
completes, the congestion window MAY be increased to the value it had pri= or
to migration if only the port has changed and there is no other evidence = in
a change in path.

> Question: do we have to consider the possibility that the prior cong= estion
> window might decay due to inactivity and account for that here, or i= s it
> better to continue to run the old controller, feed all the new signa= ls into
> it and switch it in?
>
In the latter case, you mean that you'd feed the signals into both th= e new
controller created on IP/port change and the controller that existed befo= re
the change, swapping the latter in when the path validation succeeded?
Ted


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I guess that I'm in the "minimize the change that a congestion window = gets re-opened inappropriately", absent more evidence that doing so would= n't be too bad.

[...] you mean that you'd feed the signals into both the new controlle= r created on IP/port change and the controller that existed before the ch= ange, swapping the latter in when the path validation succeeded?

Yes. There might need to be some tweaks to that if we consider the po= ssibility that the previous path could be reused, but that's essentially = it.

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HTTP/2 has a pretty strong recommendation to have PUSH_PROMISE precede any text that mentions it. Failing to do so could mean that a client requests a resource that was pushed, which is wasteful.

Splitting the headers and data into two streams means that there is no way to order the PUSH_PROMISE relative to the part of the body that mentions the resource.

I'm sure that @MikeBishop mentioned this once before, but I couldn't find any issues for it. Returning to a model where data and headers share a stream would fix this.

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I guess that I'm in the "minimize the change that a congestion win= dow gets re-opened inappropriately", absent more evidence that doing s= o wouldn't be too bad.

[...] you mean that you'd feed the signals into both the new controller= created on IP/port change and the controller that existed before the chang= e, swapping the latter in when the path validation succeeded?

Yes. There might need to be some tweaks to that if we consider the possibil= ity that the previous path could be reused, but that's essentially it.<= br>
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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think "the congestion window MAY be increased to the value it had prior to migration; this increase should occur only when it is likely that the change in IP address or port did not result in a path change" is about right. MAY indicates that it is rather not recommended by default but as you have already a guess about the available bandwidth on the path, you can do some smarter probing like chirping where you send packets with different inter packet gaps. Or we don't say anything about this and leave it to the congestion controller because every congestion controller will anyway implement a different way to increase the window. Another question: do we need to decrease to the minimal congestion window or the initial congestion window? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/161#issuecomment-304009727 ----==_mimepart_5926dbadc3390_2e733fef965d5c30979f9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think "the congestion window MAY be increased to the value it had pr= ior
to migration; this increase should occur only when it is likely that the<= br> change in IP address or port did not result in a path change" is about ri= ght. MAY indicates that it is rather not recommended by default but as yo= u have already a guess about the available bandwidth on the path, you can= do some smarter probing like chirping where you send packets with differ= ent inter packet gaps. Or we don't say anything about this and leave it t= o the congestion controller because every congestion controller will anyw= ay implement a different way to increase the window.

Another question: do we need to decrease to the minimal congestion win= dow or the initial congestion window?

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Good point. Don't recall an issue on this specifically -- maybe it came up on the issue about whether to recombine them? Moot point until #176 is sorted out, though.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -615,6 +615,8 @@ are described in this section.
 bytes_in_flight:
 : The sum of the size in bytes of all sent packets that contain at least
   one retransmittable frame, and have not been acked or declared lost.
+  The size does not include IP or UDP overhead.  Ack only frames do not
+  count towards byte_in_flight.

Isn't this basically the same question as the question which packets should be congestion controlled? All bytes that are congestion controlled should be counted for bytes_in_flight, no?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -615,6 +615,8 @@ are described in this section.
 bytes_in_flight:
 : The sum of the size in bytes of all sent packets that contain at least
   one retransmittable frame, and have not been acked or declared lost.
+  The size does not include IP or UDP overhead.  Ack only frames do not
+  count towards byte_in_flight.

That is most of it, though if we wanted to include ack-only packets, it would be important to allow those to be sent immediately, even if congestion control indicated no data should be sent.

Martin, in regards to the pseudocode, I think it's simpler to think of not adding non-ACK data to packets if you're congested, rather than adding it and stripping it out.

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@krasic, GQUIC has exactly the same issue. The body of a response can mention= a resource and appear before a PUSH_PROMISE.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -615,6 +615,8 @@ are described in this section.
 bytes_in_flight:
 : The sum of the size in bytes of all sent packets that contain at least
   one retransmittable frame, and have not been acked or declared lost.
+  The size does not include IP or UDP overhead.  Ack only frames do not
+  count towards byte_in_flight.

You are right, you probably want to send an ACK on a separate code path:

def send_ack():
  make_packet([construct_ack()]).send_direct();

def send():
  if congestion_window > 0:
    ack = construct_ack()
    other_frames = make_frames(min(congestion_window, pmtu) - len(ack))
    make_packet(ack + other_frames).send_direct();

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For a simple push application where the server generates HEADERS, = PUSH_PROMISE, DATA*, that kind of works -- if the client knows to ke= ep looking for PUSH_PROMISE frames as well. That effectively requires PUSH= _PROMISE to be part of the header block.

For a more complex push application where the server generates HEA= DERS (PUSH_PROMISE? DATA*)*, there's no way for a client to know whe= n it should return to pick up another PUSH_PROMISE. In the best case, it's= just processing data as it arrives, and always treats bytes on the headers= stream as higher-priority than bytes on the data stream. However, it's th= en subject to reordering -- or even partial arrival of a PUSH_PROMISE frame= , given that QUIC doesn't know app-layer frame boundaries.

My unidirectional2 branch is just as vulnerable here, because it still a= llocates separate streams for each and keeps PUSH_PROMISE on the parent req= uest's headers stream.

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You might need more than 1 client initial packet (perhaps an over enthusiasm for tls client hello extensions?)..

The text says

The payload of a Client Initial packet consists of a STREAM frame (or frames) for stream 0 containing a cryptographic handshake message, plus any PADDING frames necessary to ensure that the packet is at least the minimum size (see Section 9). This stream frame always starts at an offset of 0 (see Section 7.4).

which raises a few of questions..

1] the phrase "required to be at least the minimum size" sounds like a tautology. Perhaps "minimum MTU size" would be better

2] should the extra packets (those not containing offset 0) be required to be padded too? At least for reasons of reflection attacks it doesn't seem so. The https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/wiki/First-Implementation-Draft speaks of the first client packet being 1280 which made me wonder about this.. but perhaps it really just meant initial client packet rather than the first initial client packet :)

3] the language of "this stream frame always starts at an offset of 0" is funny as it speaks of a singular "this" after acknowledging the packet may have multiple frames and then there is the case of multiple packets. Perhaps the clause can just be removed as all streams semantically start at offset 0 and the various out of order reassembly rules don't seem different for this packet.

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If you need more than 1 client initial packet, it's easy to force the = servers to store state.

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7.2 (a looooong way away from the definition of client initial packet)= does indeed limit you to a single packet. which seems sane.

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that's a poorly named pr #559

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The primary case for us (as a server app platform) was a server generati= ng and streaming back partial content as it continues to process. The HTTP= /2 requirement is that the PUSH_PROMISE SHOULD come before the DATA or HEAD= ERS frame which contains the reference, which isn't a hard requirement that= PUSH_PROMISE precede all the data.

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Many large DNS server deployments rely on IP Anycast for directing UDP requests to the "closest" server. As we consider QUIC for DNS, it would be nice to support the same kind of deployment. However, DNS over QUIC requires server-side state. The instantaneous nature of IP routing could cause anycast packets to be delivered to the "wrong" server - a server instance that does not hold the state for the connection.

This could be solved if after the initial exchange the server indicated an alternative non-anycast IP address, and maybe an alternative port number. The client could then switch to using that address, assuring then that the QUIC connection would remain stable even if IP routing did change.

There is are obvious security issues, but they can be mitigated. The server indication would need be protected against spoofing, which probably means that it would have to come as a 1-RTT packet. A malicious server could redirect client traffic towards an unsuspecting party, in some kind of DOS attack. This can be mitigated if the client sends a verification packet to the new address, and only starts using the new address for "regular" traffic if the verification packet is acknowledged.

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----==_mimepart_592d4bd286967_1bd53fe679441c3c47683-- From nobody Wed May 31 06:43:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25C8129BEC for ; Wed, 31 May 2017 06:43:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.255 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.255 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HjCPv9Jo1a_C for ; Wed, 31 May 2017 06:43:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A050129406 for ; Wed, 31 May 2017 06:43:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=s7/2wnq4bB2PrUtAPbeNUci7z9M=; b=s/qZLl36kQKTpjf1 r3o+WEApca1WRfRDU35ZYUGLlWfvSacfnjO2qxG3XgyDP91pcUQuSPbJm3qtqBhn RRyjt59ICRRKi6GP1OBt6ujNAXECV0dUTYiiA9tM9wCOPL28u2h2M+Lus/k1+bDU f7J4S9S56LMwSGKy0/0EDXG1TUM= Received: by filter0936p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0936p1mdw1-13118-592EC87B-49 2017-05-31 13:43:23.717470493 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 6tmWc97rQdmHH_4tIu1MWw for ; Wed, 31 May 2017 13:43:23.707 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 06:43:23 -0700 From: mirjak Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Key Phase Bit for protected long headers (#562) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_592ec87b8ec00_d6f3fafe9e6fc346672c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mirjak X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3DQqc+Zo7QGrtjab5P4C9VRBssw12TBHTPbG Yoph4gHmn3KGFCUfXzH0ho2DLVqh9FeUTYbfwwGMRP6Q523Xv8tnKtFbNhB27Lowl4FWWIiq/KTrcE s1/KIdDBY0gY5KL6Afh8/YaS0mmetAXt6zlefTmN7yPkvTByROQ889AG1H+6IcS0+jwRZ+D1xmMlE9 U= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 13:43:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_592ec87b8ec00_d6f3fafe9e6fc346672c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The transport draft says: "Packets that are protected with 1-RTT keys MAY be sent with long headers." but don't we need the kay phase bit for protected packets and long headers don't have that? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/562 ----==_mimepart_592ec87b8ec00_d6f3fafe9e6fc346672c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The transport draft says:

"Packets that are protected with 1-RTT keys MAY be sent with long headers."

but don't we need the kay phase bit for protected packets and long headers don't have that?

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Sorry for the spam; just realized that there are two different packets types; was just confusing to me that you use a packet type in one case and a bit in the other case

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As pointed out by mcmanus@, since there are packet types that echo the packet number, these must not generate acks. This should be explicitly noted. Similarly, it may be helpful to explicitly list the frame types that must not generate acks (all non-retransmittable frames).

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----==_mimepart_592f121f5bcf4_25963fa906f19c3c28911-- From nobody Wed May 31 13:10:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D7ED1270A0 for ; Wed, 31 May 2017 13:10:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.183 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.183 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1e9nESt9mhCS for ; Wed, 31 May 2017 13:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF7F5120725 for ; Wed, 31 May 2017 13:10:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=EmmK8Rxox9Ue759yu5xwotfl5sA=; b=awM2w9v+ivSd4O7q 9AsGAPOkOVV2fMo1K1R62YLCcOJkUY0A+5wqFwtGmV06+HbGkv7k1oT/QQVnHnI1 Y8NIbgo3Xa+aIYSuQKv8zQuV6C0gKtdb6fxf3+kU/YFuPvlPmp363Ua4jVDN/rLm THGb/q4zyMB2AU0SECMggZTF5G8= Received: by filter0596p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0596p1mdw1-11607-592F2337-14 2017-05-31 20:10:31.266564341 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id nD84RIorSMO1Z7aW_ovtPQ for ; Wed, 31 May 2017 20:10:31.221 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 13:10:31 -0700 From: Patrick McManus Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] loosen MUST requirement around close-on-ack-of-unsent (#564) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_592f2337210a4_175d3fa42e9fbc3c182bb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mcmanus X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1l+XxO2YTZ7SORRubFgShfQJP1e3iyb2Ip0q GHS/YYvTYp0I4kwA/5+fMSeJE/Omk84dplNhFzUkoFdATFOpel+suSysKL8WqhHQSZZ1+Cy+f5kF1p b/oxnMP7h+N5xWUbgE+9izFBXlzT67KRdvP+/eSYEiheq3433IMEDkknK7E+aR1ZSEYkZJFtWO8xBQ w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 20:10:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_592f2337210a4_175d3fa42e9fbc3c182bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > sender MUST close the connection if an unsent packet number is acknowledged I suggest s/MUST/SHOULD .. doing this as MUST requires keeping the state of every unused packet number for the entire duration of the connection to separate the ack of concern from a duplicated ack. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/564 ----==_mimepart_592f2337210a4_175d3fa42e9fbc3c182bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

sender MUST close the connection if an unsent packet number is acknowledged

I suggest s/MUST/SHOULD .. doing this as MUST requires keeping the state of every unused packet number for the entire duration of the connection to separate the ack of concern from a duplicated ack.

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Maybe it would be better to enumerate the reliability options more gen= erally. For instance:

The client automatically repairs its Client Initial packet by sending = it on a timer. A server repairs Version Negotiation and Stateless Reject= packets by sending one for each packet that it receives, so usually this= chains off the client's strategy. After that, packets are repaired usin= g ACK frames. All other packets are acknowledged using ACK frames, excep= t those that only contain ACK and PADDING frames.

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This seems sensible. Anything other than MUST NOT has the right effect,= though I think that SHOULD is a nice spot.

Of course, there are designs that would have us avoid skipping packets e= ntirely, which reduces the state commitment considerably.

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Closes #564

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/565

Commit Summary

  • Loosen the MUST requirement to close if an unsent packet is acknowledged

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