From nobody Thu Jun 1 00:24:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 008B0129AF1 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2017 00:24:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.396 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.396 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c9mymu2Arv2h for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2017 00:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CEC4D1294F7 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2017 00:24:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=Ziao1Ok2URAO/61jBeTZX64N/6Q=; b=U3Ps9Di24G1JiaRa gaquDc9iBcHdVP5nUs+UigiCOAjSxknKNDt41WuhSA4V8/ZJFpxB/SyLYSbLaZQw a51URNrfGflBBX16b71Vx5Z3jlt67jzCjh9rCkqpunFBHmkBoJ76/iVU0jjqQD5B VH51EXEEmh9Xd0fXgZ413sFOeXE= Received: by filter0807p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0807p1mdw1-32126-592FC128-26 2017-06-01 07:24:24.738525487 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id rlWbgQcDQhWJI2fQ2mnsDQ for ; Thu, 01 Jun 2017 07:24:24.682 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 00:24:24 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Enumerate rules for not generating acks (#563) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_592fc1289376d_6f8f3ffca87c1c3c58dc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1pyMhu528gf2NpF7y77c67rNbtMJm5UBB7ek QYJOGc8zwoBIZA49B6mL9ZDHmRe/QMYLRqxgjleEa95SI8uMLU5kdB0A8Si00K0j6GNg+2l/Rfk1MT TfjwdvSr33zY3b8jfySsjjp8U1uYbue6vomenogX8rAVVot0zynPVE62KIqHpvzERe0yHl16/evjXF Q= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 07:24:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_592fc1289376d_6f8f3ffca87c1c3c58dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the entire text related to when to generate ACKs, what should be in generated ACK blocks, what information sender and receiver need to maintain for the packets and ACK blocks they send and receive may need some more explanation, and maybe examples. QUIC is sufficiently different from other IETF transport protocols here that at least for me, many details remain unclear. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/563#issuecomment-305411280 ----==_mimepart_592fc1289376d_6f8f3ffca87c1c3c58dc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think the entire text related to when to generate ACKs, what should be= in generated ACK blocks, what information sender and receiver need to main= tain for the packets and ACK blocks they send and receive may need some mor= e explanation, and maybe examples. QUIC is sufficiently different from othe= r IETF transport protocols here that at least for me, many details remain u= nclear.

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= ----==_mimepart_592fc1289376d_6f8f3ffca87c1c3c58dc-- From nobody Thu Jun 1 06:58:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23795129406 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2017 06:58:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VDNciqsogAHq for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2017 06:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A37C120727 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2017 06:58:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=mW5+KRXSBw7zwQBqUFoa7ChmD1U=; b=ktMndmX6qKf3k6T3 jhOZW3KicB6A7ta8tORyKa0uQG8vjbMa29qmqil32l6ZMlKKNEn9D3MbuOvV3/Bj U2X71MPEQf+z0NcAOa/XU0gIqSrQmfC/GxEn9L1EGv4SH2zt9mPJsgZJu7jbjzqr cEIWeWe5puoka+H2uF3GPEZ+AfM= Received: by filter0460p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0460p1mdw1-21178-59301D7B-32 2017-06-01 13:58:19.497881941 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id BHN4daJQT6-PZGo2At_WCw for ; Thu, 01 Jun 2017 13:58:19.358 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 06:58:18 -0700 From: Patrick McManus Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Enumerate rules for not generating acks (#563) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59301d7ae3823_6ae3f8413c25c3c29655"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mcmanus X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2KC8IJuhEyzZjeXd7VSM/eSAYcYyODS34jyc XLRo+42xCtcVCpKkpocw7wyeIb5rN/ueVPFWVG683ngLoqqkXEJlU40lcX2MQeHLThbbJwBJINeRPt 7wRy78PG1mi43MRnai7Dqdv1PykD6F35XxyHt3EDj+vxnMstXGSRIL0kAsAtYavI2zPMQ8XxGpHS8Q w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 13:58:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59301d7ae3823_6ae3f8413c25c3c29655 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think this specific issue should be closed with simple statements about the 2 packets in question (and maybe Public Reset for good measure). but to lars's point I think there is a lot of ack related language that could lead to interop issues. Below is one of my favorites, which leads the casual reader to wonder just how required ack is :) > To limit receiver state or the size of ACK frames, a receiver MAY limit the number of ACK blocks it sends. A receiver can do this even without receiving acknowledgment of its ACK frames, with the knowledge this could cause the sender to unnecessarily retransmit some data. When this is necessary, the receiver SHOULD acknowledge newly received packets and stop acknowledging packets received in the past. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/563#issuecomment-305501271 ----==_mimepart_59301d7ae3823_6ae3f8413c25c3c29655 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think this specific issue should be closed with simple statements abou= t the 2 packets in question (and maybe Public Reset for good measure).

but to lars's point I think there is a lot of ack related language that = could lead to interop issues. Below is one of my favorites, which leads the= casual reader to wonder just how required ack is :)

To limit receiver state or the size of ACK frames, a receiver MAY limit = the number of ACK blocks it sends. A receiver can do this even without rece= iving acknowledgment of its ACK frames, with the knowledge this could cause= the sender to unnecessarily retransmit some data. When this is necessary, = the receiver SHOULD acknowledge newly received packets and stop acknowledgi= ng packets received in the past.

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5.8 introduces the fact that only the least significant bits of a packet number are transmitted and it goes on to say at most 32.

But acks can use 48.

I suggest fixing by just leaving out the number.

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issue #566

in the introduction. It said at most 32, when 48 are used in ack
formats.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/567

Commit Summary

  • remove langauge that says how many bits of the packet number are used

File Changes

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----==_mimepart_593051cd360a1_2287f3fced27f5c34761a6-- From nobody Thu Jun 1 15:31:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AEDA12778E for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2017 15:31:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Nktk-HfethlF for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2017 15:31:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EBC53124D6C for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2017 15:31:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=lLxMBiGZjDBB34qDcNFRlmzIcUs=; b=WIa25BCKy5A73ljT IsdGR/rlDb0sS58XiPMnXJxk4v2rFkRXjF68Zf7YH1qfVPSHaPC7r4LGpwUZzenO NX2BCBw9bPA2UL9xef7cGWvgsFHVecCpbXnKEHJZjchSa2G5jSlqxj/k5LPdLwC6 sjxhdTzJs2/PBvPXz7nkWb7exL0= Received: by filter0536p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0536p1mdw1-5013-593095B5-36 2017-06-01 22:31:17.885197842 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id yWvvg56iQ7iyB4p9biCX7Q for ; Thu, 01 Jun 2017 22:31:17.805 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 15:31:17 -0700 From: mirjak Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] packet number text limitation on 32 bits of packet number (#566) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_593095b5afcc5_17ce3fee6ddbfc2c137e9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mirjak X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3jKPKhB5kz0dHG8lnNNf6waa3NweOYtHsXFm QEWCbQDGwAtZOy2cQQOysH45hJY4LCid8GPv5WijTG/B7cs7KdUoYcj48E+5/aFxkCPE+TMBWH/EAe kfnUxsWOCCk9OCo4nY+xwJW27KRt/pGJdB0QEJgXbehycsIacbh9wZ3kMg== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 22:31:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_593095b5afcc5_17ce3fee6ddbfc2c137e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was about to fill the same issue this afternoon (and then got distracted). We could remove the number completely or say that the internal packet number size must be at least 64 bits -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/566#issuecomment-305638771 ----==_mimepart_593095b5afcc5_17ce3fee6ddbfc2c137e9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I was about to fill the same issue this afternoon (and then got distracted). We could remove the number completely or say that the internal packet number size must be at least 64 bits

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----==_mimepart_593095b5afcc5_17ce3fee6ddbfc2c137e9-- From nobody Thu Jun 1 16:30:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D85126CD8 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2017 16:30:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.254 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.254 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q_fPqFdFPt_e for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2017 16:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E8AE312420B for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2017 16:30:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=sSge5qBR/TPMyywGT6hdgNYHJ8M=; b=Q38eubCEkxITmLN9 D9KB3B45oCfrjEOAMDMoFhEN2tL62T3mnUwrr0e2+s7tE7Pb1Wi0JMhHv497QRfb ei8NsGV95td8eLq3hzn6E3oc9V46Ve7hdnGXVZcQzTeOQOmDhDBg2wAYN1JNEUc+ Divbmoc3uRRgWII5K0957yLj0aY= Received: by filter1152p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1152p1mdw1-29251-5930A380-4A 2017-06-01 23:30:08.772360788 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id -Ans0lpMR_SuhHMFC9airw for ; Thu, 01 Jun 2017 23:30:08.710 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 16:30:08 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] packet number text limitation on 32 bits of packet number (#566) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5930a3809bfdc_16273fe4b1e85c30966db"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0lZMvntxeeNLlBmqSTghsYWf4obLPjSwGe2E IRlDaDV6GcJjhR4Wfhn2To4CTYLukrIedCsqqp5w3d/ORvMuFfRXKjonU92BTNHahcaKQOl1d37IsL 09I3TXy82DNu+56J4nZ5mawgJ+ESOWP84u4I3Na1b9Rs6ASfZm11QcqqumugU1ahwdhkaYnm+PJI01 Y= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 23:30:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5930a3809bfdc_16273fe4b1e85c30966db Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that we separately agreed to remove the 48 from the ACK frame. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/566#issuecomment-305648372 ----==_mimepart_5930a3809bfdc_16273fe4b1e85c30966db Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think that we separately agreed to remove the 48 from the ACK frame.

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Yes, see #507 (and #508)

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making the cleartext integrity checksum version independent would prevent a lot of version negotiation packets from being generated based on receipt of non-quic (and make it harder to use that as an amplification vector?)

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I can't find any language that makes the version negotiation packet consistent across versions.. 5.9 does some of it:

the location of the header form flag,
the location and size of the Connection ID field in both header forms,
the location and size of the Version field in long headers, and
the location and size of the Packet Number field in long headers.

but specifically the interpretation of the type byte and the format of the version numbers in the packet itself does not appear to be fixed. Given that the server is generating a version negotiation packet marked with a version that it does not understand (it came from the peer and triggered this path) I think this whole packet may need to be more constrained.

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----==_mimepart_5932c2caa1240_2553ffbffda5c38490e6-- From nobody Sat Jun 3 07:45:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D5171292D3 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2017 07:45:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AaMqRj5n4KnX for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2017 07:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C66991286CA for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2017 07:45:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=Weh5EBydOfafJNJeSEYgQOoALnw=; b=R6qJ16UXEr+kvNk+ raRJEtyxRTCzpWiqoDlHaNG68w7XWfRjBka0IVqNXktDc/TIysJYswL33D2/EEMV Q2qujDB6dDZptvnCML5E6lVnsPr4JzkyrZ9L7Q918QhBtZvjZPzwnHWQmfDVsaOU 3CaiWONczCexDH8MHxwrcOkPMsg= Received: by filter0971p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0971p1mdw1-3966-5932CB97-2A 2017-06-03 14:45:43.442991903 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id Rxze0YNFQxKtkfDZHsjS5g for ; Sat, 03 Jun 2017 14:45:43.482 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2017 07:45:43 -0700 From: mirjak Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] does version negotiation packet format need to be locked across versions (#569) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5932cb975e859_19303faa67de5c3c102157"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mirjak X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3blWZYdY+/j5/pIR9Dv8WtCz/v/mvmyTIsQz Iwez1l6zWWB6TR0UeysFR8+QdJQ4NILoRzWuGfmnlATdkgY9Fcr1m2HIOA3gW8idk+uLj+YS0/O8H9 II/K2U5d3khRCceGrPGxw7fxaJrD3kparD5W+SPTJ0TL8HVhCHgaKIjp9g== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2017 14:45:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5932cb975e859_19303faa67de5c3c102157 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, I agree that this is still unclear. For version negotiation you need t= o fix the header format bit, the header type field, the whole version negot= iation header incl. it's type and either the version field of the long head= er or also the client initial packet type and the version field in that hea= der as well as the mechanism that all quic connection have to start with a = client initial. But probably it makes sense and is just easier for version = negotiation to fix the whole long header (which mean future packets type in= new version may extend the long header but all long header packets need to= have at least these fields). If you want to make it possible to allow netw= ork nodes to use the connection or packet number in short header packets (e= ven if they didn't see the handshake and therefore the used version), you o= f course also have to fix that in the short header as well. Which basically= means all headers are fixed and future version can only add additional inf= ormation. From my side, i think that's okay. --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/569#issuecomment-305979415= ----==_mimepart_5932cb975e859_19303faa67de5c3c102157 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, I agree that this is still unclear. For version negotiation you nee= d to fix the header format bit, the header type field, the whole version ne= gotiation header incl. it's type and either the version field of the long h= eader or also the client initial packet type and the version field in that = header as well as the mechanism that all quic connection have to start with= a client initial. But probably it makes sense and is just easier for versi= on negotiation to fix the whole long header (which mean future packets type= in new version may extend the long header but all long header packets need= to have at least these fields). If you want to make it possible to allow n= etwork nodes to use the connection or packet number in short header packets= (even if they didn't see the handshake and therefore the used version), yo= u of course also have to fix that in the short header as well. Which basica= lly means all headers are fixed and future version can only add additional = information. From my side, i think that's okay.

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In #568, I noted that Version Negotiation doesn't really need to be sent in response to anything other than a client initial packet. Those currently have two properties that we could hook into if we wanted to fix those properties across all QUIC versions: the packet type octet, and the size. Either or both of those could be used as a way to filter non-QUIC noise from QUIC so that servers don't generate Version Negotiation unnecessarily.

I don't think that doing this represents a particularly big commitment, but we should be careful. The minimum size seems like it might be a constant across versions. The packet type might be a little rough, particularly in light of techniques like that suggested in #311.

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Initially it does seem advantageous to reject small packets serverside= . However, forcing a minimum initial packet size across all versions coul= d be problematic - especially for non-linear special purpose versions. Fo= r example, resource constrainted battery powered networks.

If a reasonable checksum is added to all clear text, this would serve = the same purpose. Constrained devices with special versions may reject la= rge packets and packets with invalid checksums. Ordinary servers that req= uire large initial packets may reject on small packets and on invalid che= cksums.

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in 10.2.2.
" An endpoint sending an FIN flag causes the stream state to become =E2=80= =9Chalf-closed (local)=E2=80=9D. An endpoint receiving a FIN flag causes th= e stream state to become =E2=80=9Chalf-closed (remote)=E2=80=9D once all pr= eceding data has arrived"

this seems to suggest that a sender will transition to half closed immed= iately after sending a FIN. Is that intentional?

It seems that it would be better for the sender to transition to FIN onl= y after getting the ACK otherwise you'd get into a case where:

Sender sends FIN -> transitions to half closed local
Receiver races with a RST -> sender has sent the FIN, so doesn't send a = RST stream is response
Sender transitions to closed
FIN gets lost

However now that the sender is in closed it might still have to retransm= it the FIN. Making the sender wait on FIN ack to transition to half closed = local seems better, that way if the FIN is not ACKed, the sender could just= go into half closed remote like normal when it gets the RST.

I like the idea of closed state being a terminal state where no addition= al work is needed from the sender.

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= ----==_mimepart_5933b0671c4ef_7a7f3fdceaaddc3c37321-- From nobody Sun Jun 4 00:14:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C1B1294B9 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2017 00:14:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.617 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.617 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NDCi42t7ZvTM for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2017 00:14:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA3F6124217 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2017 00:14:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=/SDDIOAFFPw9IenpYyAiUjVFoGM=; b=EEwA2BIH6NuEjmvk sJg9oYkYt47GzrWzv9mSlN1toD8HEB8Oq7phSP+7YVETLKGmsmqtmvXm3VF3hGmm ywTFMt3z1oTr+ZL6VbIRNxqSswevdG52wIwSvR06gc0ctxE72OwjvQEoyd950pS1 FWitj9m22TmHi+NbREqpxWCvENw= Received: by filter0436p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0436p1mdw1-26254-5933B35B-15 2017-06-04 07:14:35.373533853 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id eC4-2WztTRWG5cuFgeZWVQ for ; Sun, 04 Jun 2017 07:14:35.391 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2017 00:14:35 -0700 From: Subodh Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Should we transition to Open state when recv even MAX_STREAM_DATA (#572) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5933b35b42e2e_2cb63fa9ff035c30594bc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: siyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1Ybcpst5y4EGPpvYjL0r6WT9zKYc3yy6ZBW3 gt0X4Esg+W3c98A3q+53c12uh8qMkm/BibiDPLyV5WvAqagbPTG66NecF3YpWoMTCKBOK6NBX8xBmy QQgIyk2lpAvYchaAuoayUQRGE0oA3tXrDjW3BvpTVflAyHuMtAqNv91/XEPnAXbbK40HWrdKpNaqmo E= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2017 07:14:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5933b35b42e2e_2cb63fa9ff035c30594bc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While thinking about implementation of the handling of idle state, it seems like we'd practically allocate the stream state object anyway if we get a MAX_STREAM_DATA or STREAM_BLOCKED (to keep track of flow control). It seems better then to treat these streams as equivalent to Open streams because it'd simplify the logic of deciding the Stream limit count to advertise. If the reason we want to allow this transition is to deal with lost packets, we'd practically allocate the stream data eventually when the packets are recovered. Proposing a change where: Idle -> Open transition occurs not only on STREAM, but also BLOCKED, MAX_STREAM_DATA as well. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/572 ----==_mimepart_5933b35b42e2e_2cb63fa9ff035c30594bc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

While thinking about implementation of the handling of idle state, it seems like we'd practically allocate the stream state object anyway if we get a MAX_STREAM_DATA or STREAM_BLOCKED (to keep track of flow control).

It seems better then to treat these streams as equivalent to Open streams because it'd simplify the logic of deciding the Stream limit count to advertise. If the reason we want to allow this transition is to deal with lost packets, we'd practically allocate the stream data eventually when the packets are recovered.

Proposing a change where:

Idle -> Open

transition occurs not only on STREAM, but also BLOCKED, MAX_STREAM_DATA as well.

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re: amp - that's a versioning guarantee thing again.. a v1 initial client packet is pretty big.. but a >1 packet received by a v1 server? we have very few rules about the future.. maybe we need a few.

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> If a reasonable checksum is added to all clear text, this would serv= e the
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=E2=80=8BOf course, that requires the checksum to be version independent,= right?=E2=80=8B

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We need largest acknowledged to go to 64 bits, because it's an absolut= e value, not relative to anything else. I'm not sure an 8 bit largest ac= knowledged is that useful, so we could do 16/32/64, but most other things= are 8/16/32/64, so I'd favor consistency.

64k is large, but given MTU's aren't increasing as quickly as bandwidt= h, I think we should enable a 32 bit block length. A gigabit connection = with a 1 second RTT is 89,000 1400 byte packets.

I think we have plenty of space for other frames anyway, so I'd favor = changing the 48 bit length to 64 bits in both cases, since I can't come u= p with a good reason for 48 bits.

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Agreed this needs to be fixed.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1590,7 +1590,7 @@ frames. A receiver MAY send timestamps for non-retransmittable packets.
 A receiver MUST not send timestamps in unprotected packets.
 
 A sender MAY intentionally skip packet numbers to introduce entropy into the
-connection, to avoid opportunistic acknowledgement attacks.  The sender MUST
+connection, to avoid opportunistic acknowledgement attacks.  The sender SHOULD

It could also say "The sender MUST close the connection if a packet it knows is unsent is acknowledged." Which keeps the must, but does not require unlimited state.

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If you have 100K IOPS each represented by a single frame, your connectio= n will last 12 hours with 32 bit stream identifiers. Moving to 64 bit would= mean you can design applications without thinking about this limitation ev= en if it would rarely be hit in praxis.

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This also has the nice side effect of causing the lower order streams to= be opened as well.

Thinking about it a bit more, we should do this for RST on idle streams = as well.

Currently
RST
idle -----> half closed

however this means that if stream 10 is rst, we didnt really open stream= 1 - 10. Then if stream 20 is opened, we would have no idea if stream 10 wa= s opened before or rst, so we'd have to keep track of all RST streams.

seems nicer to make this more symmetric with the stream open case:

I propose that when getting a RST on an idle stream we first move it int= o open state and then process the RST so that we get the lower streams open= ed as well.

         RST             immediate

idle ------> (open) -------> half closed

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Thanks for bringing this up, I encountered this exact same issue last week when implementing it and was going to bring it up myself as well :)

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With the introduction of the NEW_CONNECTION_ID logic, a client can perform a connection migration that can't be correlated by an external observer. This works fine in the classic server-client setting, but (as pointed out in the discussion of #491) for p2p connections, both peers might want to perform such a connection migration.

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Opening streams as soon as you hear from them (no matter in which frame = type) definitely makes sense (and is what quic-go is already doing). It avo= ids a whole bunch of edge cases that are only needed to deal with reordered= packets.

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= ----==_mimepart_593511ed7b08f_38783fac87addc3424052-- From nobody Mon Jun 5 01:24:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1EDB12EA56 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 01:24:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E35dDIy3a78k for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 01:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11A1712EA54 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 01:24:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=G9oZ+NAPdXDZsTaJ+sjTL4qCGHQ=; b=q2rzjoRAXuSDrwW1 WljQxPZ5VehRaVstcYYaS1D/noGAs5lUuykdGMPC3LJlXjF/E2JZQhlKsJ6y7Kd7 lC6ilGLV80DbbcMJ3YrKucRgfOlYaegjRCLHaS5FfUf7Q5HIosWtrdys1xrTI3nX 5Muvkolc1X+Gw+mdmsk9zpvaNv0= Received: by filter1161p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1161p1mdw1-5482-59351551-4 2017-06-05 08:24:49.030704009 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id xevDrYKmSlC_WYzxd5Vh-A for ; Mon, 05 Jun 2017 08:24:48.957 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2017 01:24:48 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fix up ACK frame section (#507) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59351550d0616_6ef83f9b2d29fc2c82832"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0TdTEvaidnSXQdv00FGvBrM5ZRkUyA6hqWFv MIzIVI7gSlNq/1nTKd/Rahm65J7wYgkZ8510abhN2MULekNG9s7BdQuVEj5sxKqZCp1ikgJwFBDMe3 bma0kVYkQNLK/wqpCPU4Dh8pdCssu4yeCkvU1ajKemPp9vhOIHA41gsWfuxqTo9WyosufEzu5xF8cQ E= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2017 08:24:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59351550d0616_6ef83f9b2d29fc2c82832 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think there are good reasons to make it absolute, particularly to support connection migration and/or multipath. The in flight limit is 2^31 packets, so >2TB with typical packet sizes, which is why we decided not to add a code point for 8 byte packet numbers in the public header. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/507#issuecomment-306131823 ----==_mimepart_59351550d0616_6ef83f9b2d29fc2c82832 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think there are good reasons to make it absolute, particularly to supp= ort connection migration and/or multipath.

The in flight limit is 2^31 packets, so >2TB with typical packet size= s, which is why we decided not to add a code point for 8 byte packet number= s in the public header.

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yes, I got confused about packet numbers and bytes - the absolute valu= e is probably beneficial as you suggest and does not apparent harm - I st= ill wonder if the 2^31 constraint elsewhere makes the benefit pointless t= hough, or put in another way - perhaps there are other places that need t= o allow 64 bit values.

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This is just an inconsistency. The text already says that streams clo= se when you have no more to send (or no more to receive), with emphasis:<= /p>

A stream transitions from this state to =E2=80=9Cclosed=E2=80=9D when = a STREAM frame that contains a FIN flag is received and all prior= data has arrived, or when a RST_STREAM frame is received.

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Yes, some constraints on future flexibility seem wise, as long as we can keep it light.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1590,7 +1590,7 @@ frames. A receiver MAY send timestamps for non-retransmittable packets.
 A receiver MUST not send timestamps in unprotected packets.
 
 A sender MAY intentionally skip packet numbers to introduce entropy into the
-connection, to avoid opportunistic acknowledgement attacks.  The sender MUST
+connection, to avoid opportunistic acknowledgement attacks.  The sender SHOULD

@mcmanus, @siyengar, does Ian's suggestion work better?

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----==_mimepart_59351f1763502_34a33faa1c7cbc3445513-- From nobody Mon Jun 5 03:50:25 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E829129437 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 03:50:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g-kobtoFW7Lx for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 03:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C325127011 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 03:50:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=uk8t4cWbNSEpECncMXBAw5Bj6QY=; b=Ii8QwWmv8bAScOZO fK6d6yEhMr0fsZ5atYhGIWb1f/5iCAfQpA6mjpaUfbLjbKCldXJzSJSa9E09Js9L Aa3ZBBfR9CZpZd/sZvcq8M6AFHjCHxe3fCx8laytKVIyQJt846TvtkCZ79iSKvZa OV1ED5oOIoFxPt0XmGY2lmdlVuc= Received: by filter1155p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1155p1mdw1-1497-5935376C-24 2017-06-05 10:50:20.367441556 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id PWk2Tq8SR5SPYkNYZOo68Q for ; Mon, 05 Jun 2017 10:50:20.293 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2017 03:50:20 -0700 From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Loosen the MUST requirement to close if an unsent packet is acknowledged (#565) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5935376c364fd_7e573fc17b411c30739d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3OCDqCq6EEfjXx2eCMcgSVXq+CQb6w6Vn56p fN1UAg1VNftJtNjXzSNfh8ud3D559DNb2NxPpV6ncBoZ7IFdfSbTnBTxAgSzke/cP7p7WSemA9MwXZ aro3aZv+nzBZRtsZmetdDWGSxEHqWgQDEbogmbJ1nLTQh1zw9cbBO5L3kQ== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2017 10:50:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5935376c364fd_7e573fc17b411c30739d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Before we spend a lot of time bikeshedding this, maybe we should consider whether we want to adopt #509 -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/565#issuecomment-306159820 ----==_mimepart_5935376c364fd_7e573fc17b411c30739d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Before we spend a lot of time bikeshedding this, maybe we should consider whether we want to adopt #509

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The same general question applies even if we adopt #509. Do we require that the sender track what it has sent in order to be able to correctly validate an ACK?

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Closed #545.

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More generally, I believe an earlier draft had a concept of the oldest= known package number which got replaced by ACK'ing acks periodically.

I think it would be good if the protocol maintains a concept of what i= s the oldest packet number still of interest to the sender such that the = receiver can promptly drop state older than this value for dupe rejection= etc., and also such that received acks pertaining packets older than thi= s value can promptly be dropped (or at least the older part of the ACK fr= ame).

Any packet number newer than this lower bound could then be required t= o be remembered and invalid acks SHOULD/MUST be rejected.

An adversarial sender could fail to update the lower bound forcing mor= e state at receiver. The current behavior is safe in the sense that there= is no lower bound other than heuristics anyway, but if a lower bound was= placed, this issue must be considered.

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= ----==_mimepart_59353adc97e5b_70253fb17d333c2c18440-- From nobody Mon Jun 5 04:26:43 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7980E127868 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 04:26:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.396 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.396 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tOcf35QDdhMv for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 04:26:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DEF211241FC for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 04:26:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=zdVTuQ2oEwgsvbAN7R4Gn7uUJ6k=; b=KVlN0q7XQJwa5cYW aUM0EPCvV15U97q0CJii9t0NSGXmTmGl15EBwu76uxYoCyfXeV0GbGRBvsNHJf5C l5MAMg25y17vnRAsveacK4L2lpNgAvFKDfJo+bSfpcZ798x1GMfXhcIl71TyvyPl 88G3tzH9wECHB6Nm/meB/OrZ0dI= Received: by filter1117p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1117p1mdw1-23635-59353FEF-2C 2017-06-05 11:26:39.851600457 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id msqCdr3-RxaazvFx022wBQ for ; Mon, 05 Jun 2017 11:26:39.802 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2017 04:26:39 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Loosen the MUST requirement to close if an unsent packet is acknowledged (#565) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59353fefa87fd_41f03fd2d6337c301609"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3f88KV3EdRbWe02Beft+Nme/Qn672LEE0dBx UBi5rQWQr4nJKiD7dsXBSphOSR84RuMFAJ0YFWGlxHQe4eUBvakZFTrAOIhn0Bs+HLirVLemwjBwW8 n4FqkyXQQOHAbz021ZkCE1YBk5/w/VgHwd4G86MrGb5H3o9IHWfCeKaiajWR5GRwB0FY0Kf9nTR8z+ Q= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2017 11:26:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59353fefa87fd_41f03fd2d6337c301609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @mikkelfj I don't think the least unacked value that was in the stop waiting helps here, except as a convenient lower bound on the range the MUST applies to. Even without the frame, there must be a lower bound on the range of tracked packets sender side. For the record, I'm fine with my suggested wording or Martin's PR, I just was trying to provide an option if we want to keep the MUST. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/565#issuecomment-306165684 ----==_mimepart_59353fefa87fd_41f03fd2d6337c301609 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@mikkelfj= I don't think the least unacked value that was in the stop waiting hel= ps here, except as a convenient lower bound on the range the MUST applies t= o. Even without the frame, there must be a lower bound on the range of tra= cked packets sender side.

For the record, I'm fine with my suggested wording or Martin's PR, I jus= t was trying to provide an option if we want to keep the MUST.

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= ----==_mimepart_59353fefa87fd_41f03fd2d6337c301609-- From nobody Mon Jun 5 04:31:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 720A9129B6C for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 04:31:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zeCAcpGYXjZr for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 04:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB19D12948B for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 04:31:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=y50N65m4jM3qW5KD7uEtlCdXzrQ=; b=KThApz0CIT8gR3eQ gpxtUot6JV6/yvWXERZup6h+eSLyq99djZyK8HEIeY1cHpCjdgjw3vGVrHSvkmQk OkvFMWWryM9hXjHyISCjbllb3JWTqFmoLtQQDyxdgyODlJ2DuCuEFUyHKAaoLNCD dMPI6POhF+HciMF0xDEzg72Jqc0= Received: by filter1116p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1116p1mdw1-31453-5935412A-45 2017-06-05 11:31:54.824364175 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id n-JvqDEXSNOXh4RGUWzDGA for ; Mon, 05 Jun 2017 11:31:54.763 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2017 04:31:54 -0700 From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Loosen the MUST requirement to close if an unsent packet is acknowledged (#565) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5935412aa302a_d263fa3b528dc3054035"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3zswRt2DA4LxZW9RfbO3m61gCcLEzRlH0U4Q 6Zzes0ydNtkqJ7anB++35ESC7ahPbKBUAFYD0diYIFjg7EUQKBULMAddMJanasxhiz0AkGZiKS4Npg 1wNI7Aq9fKFi8E+UeNDYTNNVReOsRYf/snTkNqgwZlSeD6n62voOrZS/8YwAQqgq/KqhEudnGTcTiT A= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2017 11:31:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5935412aa302a_d263fa3b528dc3054035 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An explicit lower bound might significantly reduce the state the receiver needs to maintain and perhaps the frequency of both acks and ack acks - at least that is my intuition. But it is correct that some bound must be maintained regardless. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/565#issuecomment-306166492 ----==_mimepart_5935412aa302a_d263fa3b528dc3054035 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

An explicit lower bound might significantly reduce the state the receive= r needs to maintain and perhaps the frequency of both acks and ack acks - a= t least that is my intuition. But it is correct that some bound must be mai= ntained regardless.

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But that discussion is perhaps more relevant to #423

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1590,7 +1590,7 @@ frames. A receiver MAY send timestamps for non-retransmittable packets.
 A receiver MUST not send timestamps in unprotected packets.
 
 A sender MAY intentionally skip packet numbers to introduce entropy into the
-connection, to avoid opportunistic acknowledgement attacks.  The sender MUST
+connection, to avoid opportunistic acknowledgement attacks.  The sender SHOULD

"it knows" isn't really verifiable in any normative sense - it pretty much means SHOULD. prefer SHOULD.

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----==_mimepart_593545ab82834_6a63f833804fc2c63687-- From nobody Mon Jun 5 04:52:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52C641270A3 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 04:52:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ceag9htLAD6S for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 04:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D314C126CF9 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 04:52:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=q7tzhEU3c55AryO/tIQcOFJoFhI=; b=Q5zTSVzCdhzwZXje YH/4mXMmGCjm+YYxSFNDeFmRbomcuNZTmnKEFZv7gDIFAs/rpZk5PTf/cm3SkdMX BauSVYMIJ9YouRrPCJa++WLWdmT7NkkHXJtwWLH/25OWAMBKBuMH+USk1YuAzJCn lr8prL5g5dIV1B8vGgPvooLQSC4= Received: by filter0433p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0433p1mdw1-14671-593545FB-10 2017-06-05 11:52:27.192033771 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id jqjPj3l0Re21yCgZShYtxA for ; Mon, 05 Jun 2017 11:52:27.231 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2017 04:52:27 -0700 From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Loosen the MUST requirement to close if an unsent packet is acknowledged (#565) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_593545fb1bc80_6fae3fca49dddc3844154"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3m7sKJbIuIda8NWKncP5Wqozey8543S+knMy VELmBzQ3IZfYd8uhCFEdcv8zuq563QAWc//VWoLLug+pSHykcXDvbzAIaymuy7jxcszMlVb+dfz0Mv Aa+bfxv3NUpsodFmVDDnrqPTAzg5qMjDdGGtmzPazn9m7nhjiM/grw4VKQ== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2017 11:52:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_593545fb1bc80_6fae3fca49dddc3844154 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not exactly. You won't be able to validate the ACK at all without keeping exact track, so either you are implementing the defense or you're not, but the implications are clear either way. In any case, you won't need it for basic ACK functionality -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/565#issuecomment-306169805 ----==_mimepart_593545fb1bc80_6fae3fca49dddc3844154 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Not exactly. You won't be able to validate the ACK at all without keepin= g exact track, so either you are implementing the defense or you're not, bu= t the implications are clear either way. In any case, you won't need it for= basic ACK functionality

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if you get a duplicated ack from long ago, how do you know if it is (d= up) acking a packet you sent or not? (assuming you skipped some numbers n= on deterministically)

The sender maintains an oldest relevant packet number regardless of wh= ether it is transmitted or not (it currently isn't). If the ack refers to= an older packet it is ignored - even if it could be by malicious intent,= it cannot really do any harm anymore. If the ack refers to a more recent= packet number, it could be used to confuse the bandwidth estimation algo= rithm and causing the sender to DoS the receiver, which harms the ack sen= der, but also any other connection to the server.

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More extensive rationale for this design will be provided at the interim.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/574

Commit Summary

  • Make reset simpler and invisible
  • Remove FIPS-180 from the references
  • Editorial tweaks
  • token, not secret, and be consistent

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----==_mimepart_5935581c6b561_1ffd3f8422083c30778cd-- From nobody Mon Jun 5 06:20:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 926DB1286D6 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 06:19:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SCIqPCD1z9Yt for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 06:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3F5D1270A0 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 06:19:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2017 06:19:57 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1496668797; bh=0leuIOqqGb/vID4dKVeObrzibbLcoC7819aOfzuHu2U=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ZAaT9R8wqLiuK04G6AeKWMIWrLFK8SC4tpLKtGva/wXXKAZjpgA0VLwZhKde6aTi+ ZFleNfaOsGk4g6tddlly9eSN6mJWxcQuJkeQG/2ciwqYkBbfihyg6/EI2dsZGFjEhg EaW2B6xeh71MjZTBsAd96P8D6GCndBpRYH028RIk= From: Subodh Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Loosen the MUST requirement to close if an unsent packet is acknowledged (#565) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59355a7d23696_d643fcc64d99c3c485ee"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: siyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2017 13:20:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59355a7d23696_d643fcc64d99c3c485ee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit siyengar commented on this pull request. > @@ -1590,7 +1590,7 @@ frames. A receiver MAY send timestamps for non-retransmittable packets. A receiver MUST not send timestamps in unprotected packets. A sender MAY intentionally skip packet numbers to introduce entropy into the -connection, to avoid opportunistic acknowledgement attacks. The sender MUST +connection, to avoid opportunistic acknowledgement attacks. The sender SHOULD Generally I worry with a SHOULD no-one will end up implementing it because people will realize that it requires maintaining a lot of state. I like the spirit of Ian's wording but it's super confusing. SHOULD seems like the right thing here. I think if we acknowledge why it is a SHOULD it might convince more people to implement it along with a suggestion of how to implement it. For example a sender could implement this by keeping track of all the packets sent and by advancing a smallest ackable packet periodically. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/565#discussion_r120105701 ----==_mimepart_59355a7d23696_d643fcc64d99c3c485ee Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1590,7 +1590,7 @@ frames. A receiver MAY send timestamps for non-retransmittable packets.
 A receiver MUST not send timestamps in unprotected packets.
 
 A sender MAY intentionally skip packet numbers to introduce entropy into the
-connection, to avoid opportunistic acknowledgement attacks.  The sender MUST
+connection, to avoid opportunistic acknowledgement attacks.  The sender SHOULD

Generally I worry with a SHOULD no-one will end up implementing it because people will realize that it requires maintaining a lot of state. I like the spirit of Ian's wording but it's super confusing. SHOULD seems like the right thing here. I think if we acknowledge why it is a SHOULD it might convince more people to implement it along with a suggestion of how to implement it.

For example a sender could implement this by keeping track of all the packets sent and by advancing a smallest ackable packet periodically.

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From my reading of the loss recovery draft, we have 1 timer per conn and then every time we send a packet, we reset the loss timer.

However let's say we're on a path where ACK packets keep getting lost and the sender is trickling packets on the connection just before the timer fires, it seems like we will never hit RTO at all since

OnPacketSent() always invokes SetLossDetectionAlarm() which will always keep advancing the deadline of the RTO timer.

Should we have multiple timers per packet to avoid this?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1590,7 +1590,7 @@ frames. A receiver MAY send timestamps for non-retransmittable packets.
 A receiver MUST not send timestamps in unprotected packets.
 
 A sender MAY intentionally skip packet numbers to introduce entropy into the
-connection, to avoid opportunistic acknowledgement attacks.  The sender MUST
+connection, to avoid opportunistic acknowledgement attacks.  The sender SHOULD

The wording could also be "SHOULD close a connection when receiving an ACK for a packet that has not been sent unless the packet is older that oldest retransmittable packet in which case the ackowledgement of that packet should be ignored."

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The server transport parameters are encrypted, the client parameters a= re not. That makes this easy for the server, and much harder for the cli= ent. If you are suggesting that the client can use the server-provided v= alue, that wouldn't work.

I think that we need to discuss expectations about peer-to-peer operat= ion at some point. I see a lot of requests coming in that don't at all f= it with my experience of how peer-to-peer works.

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See also #490.

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I see a lot of requests coming in that don't at all fit with my experience of how peer-to-peer works. I suppose you consider peer-to-peer like Skype where the client traverses NAT to a cloud infrastructure out to another client. Peer-to-peer can also mean server to server in a distributed system, at multiple levels: same data center, different data centers, different IP address ranges etc. but common for these are that it is random who initiates the connection and both might attempt to do so at the same time. Over time two entities may switch between being client and server. Such a setup may also involve routing messages across multiple entities using algorithms such as Kademlia and Chord. This opens up some concerns regarding end-to-end flow control over a routed network while the link level connection would be QUIC. For example, streams might be forwarded using QUICs stream flow control mechanism, and some eggs might have to be broken to achieve the end result (i.e. not fully adhering to spec). Another similar scenerio is mesh networks for sensor networks, but there are industry adhoc standards emerging for such networks I believe. Here some nodes may be promoted to being internal routing nodes and others edge nodes, though who gets chosen for what can be fairly arbitrary and changing over time. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/574#issuecomment-306193652 ----==_mimepart_59356307e6975_5b823f8299eadc3c892d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think that we need to discuss expectations about peer-to-peer operatio= n at some point. I see a lot of requests coming in that don't at all fit wi= th my experience of how peer-to-peer works.

I suppose you consider peer-to-peer like Skype where the client traverse= s NAT to a cloud infrastructure out to another client.

Peer-to-peer can also mean server to server in a distributed system, at = multiple levels: same data center, different data centers, different IP add= ress ranges etc. but common for these are that it is random who initiates t= he connection and both might attempt to do so at the same time. Over time t= wo entities may switch between being client and server.

Such a setup may also involve routing messages across multiple entities = using algorithms such as Kademlia and Chord. This opens up some concerns re= garding end-to-end flow control over a routed network while the link level = connection would be QUIC. For example, streams might be forwarded using QUI= Cs stream flow control mechanism, and some eggs might have to be broken to = achieve the end result (i.e. not fully adhering to spec).

Another similar scenerio is mesh networks for sensor networks, but there= are industry adhoc standards emerging for such networks I believe. Here so= me nodes may be promoted to being internal routing nodes and others edge no= des, though who gets chosen for what can be fairly arbitrary and changing o= ver time.

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I was thinking that when you advance the ACK lower bound you would call = getting an ACK for a packet below that bound would be an error. There are s= everal triggers that could be used to advance the lower bound of ACKs.

  • If you keep track of the ACK of the ACK of a packet sequence number you = could maintain a variable called
    mininum_acceptable_packet =3D smallest packet that we're keeping state for,= for which we have received the ACK of the ACK for the receipt of the packe= t. This puts a lower bound on the state while tolerating 1 RTT of reorderin= g

  • You could just use RTTs, i.e after getting an ACK for a packet and then = a few RTTs have elapsed just advance the minimum_acceptable_packet

a reasonable receiver would not send ACks in such a delayed manner which= could be assumed.

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= ----==_mimepart_59356abe22b43_4bb33f8c83399c3070892-- From nobody Mon Jun 5 07:58:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D9D129AE3 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 07:58:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KcEVY8xP8dfi for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 07:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EFF27129AF4 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 07:58:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=OA+6MWkzKCigC3q9F1HYawhI/Ss=; b=i/4T4Zcft12OYdSD UWvB+1a1ate40hCG2CnTUxF1F3i+wOWc2V1b4vKZaotDpWNk2VDJt+Cy8lLfotUt xRBLTLfSTCm/U+fI+aFABN6j0kDy8Ue8mmFkDDtj8sm4JHAV8r2H/Ca4vVTLzPlD 8a2M+pO/DT6LA7LJ8MvYffFbxk0= Received: by filter0452p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0452p1mdw1-8114-593571AB-1C 2017-06-05 14:58:51.474065522 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id -adtQw0ZQnmgGLl6_iEv0g for ; Mon, 05 Jun 2017 14:58:51.508 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2017 07:58:51 -0700 From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Loosen the MUST requirement to close if an unsent packet is acknowledged (#565) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_593571ab65cd4_201943fd33a745c3c317f6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1df59mn17cZmb8JRdbRk5rdaV52j+AO5XUWo 2RjteFjRweOeM2XjlfIx93z/m6xrFrmLA9eZuTdBHte/U4/c2wmnZGKUKgbg5NurodpyXEXa9ZVO0K Va2OupkiXlAz8l4uxWm3+94JidS4nGzc89M6Qzv1NfIMacUn/5mDRzB3uZHjKH01FGNDp/0ed2ylDu 4= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2017 14:58:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_593571ab65cd4_201943fd33a745c3c317f6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I was thinking that when you advance the ACK lower bound you would call getting an ACK for a packet below that bound would be an error. I believe @ianswett mentioned that GQUIC through live testing found it better to acknowledge latest packets over earliest acknowledge packets at the possible cost of retransmission. That is, when you have to make a choice due to ACK frame size constraints. But, it is not clear exactly how to handle ACKS that do not cover the full range of received packets, as discussed in #423 The sender also cannot trust the ACK Rant: I am personally not too happy with the current ACK concept that seems open to many interpretations and risk holding a lot of excessive state both for dupe detection and retransmission of ACK frames. I would much rather have a concept such as STOP_WAITING, or a similar simple range of fully handled packet number ranges without needing the details of which ACK frames have been sent or in need of transmission. Other retransmissions can be stored by reference to external data (mmap etc.). But attack vectors must be also be considered: > a reasonable receiver would not send ACks in such a delayed manner which could be assumed. A major part of the excercise is dealing with unreasonable receivers. Also, for low powered devices or for avoiding unnecessary network activity that triggers context switches every time a packet is received, slowing down busy systems, ACKs could quite well be rather delayed. Only, this generates more state that must be kept. As long as this state are only packet ranges acked or not, this is not a big problem. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/565#issuecomment-306209874 ----==_mimepart_593571ab65cd4_201943fd33a745c3c317f6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I was thinking that when you advance the ACK lower bound you would call = getting an ACK for a packet below that bound would be an error.

I believe @ianswett mentioned that GQUIC through live testing found it better to= acknowledge latest packets over earliest acknowledge packets at the possib= le cost of retransmission. That is, when you have to make a choice due to A= CK frame size constraints. But, it is not clear exactly how to handle ACKS = that do not cover the full range of received packets, as discussed in #423
The sender also cannot trust the ACK

Rant: I am personally not too happy with the current ACK concept that se= ems open to many interpretations and risk holding a lot of excessive state = both for dupe detection and retransmission of ACK frames. I would much rath= er have a concept such as STOP_WAITING, or a similar simple range of fully = handled packet number ranges without needing the details of which ACK frame= s have been sent or in need of transmission. Other retransmissions can be s= tored by reference to external data (mmap etc.).

But attack vectors must be also be considered:

a reasonable receiver would not send ACks in such a delayed manner which= could be assumed.

A major part of the excercise is dealing with unreasonable receivers. A= lso, for low powered devices or for avoiding unnecessary network activity t= hat triggers context switches every time a packet is received, slowing down= busy systems, ACKs could quite well be rather delayed. Only, this generate= s more state that must be kept. As long as this state are only packet range= s acked or not, this is not a big problem.

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An editorial. Change client-generated connection id to be server-generated connection id.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/576

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  • Fix an old reference to client-generated connection id.

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Current text says that "The client populates the connection ID field with randomly selected values, unless it has received a packet from the server."

We need to be able to tell a different between the two. I would suggest adding a packet type.

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It looks like we have 24 bits (bytes 1-3) in each packet header availa= ble right now. We could use them for the purposes of this issue as well = as #279.

For example, we can specify byte 2 that is an "Echo Request" and byte = 3 as an "Echo Response". When an endpoint generates a packet, it places = "Echo Request" byte from the latest packet received from the peer into it= s "Echo Response" byte. This will allow endpoints to characterize peer b= ehavior, detect upstream packet reordering, etc. If we do not cover thes= e packets by crypto, middleboxes can add them. If not these bytes, we co= uld have a mechanism to attach such cleartext request/response to packets= (though that's the road to header extensions).

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Section 1, has the following sentence:

Using UDP as the substrate, QUIC seeks to
be compatible with legacy clients and middleboxes.

What does it mean to be compatible with legacy clients?

Being compatible with a legacy client appears to imply that one can have a meaningful interaction, I don't see how that is possible. Is it the aspect that one can deploy on existing operating systems without operating system modifcations that one is after? In that case, please reformulate.

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Section has the following added sentence:

Version 0x000000001 of QUIC uses TLS as a cryptographic handshake
protocol, as described in [QUIC-TLS].

I guess only spurious zero, as the above is a 36-bit version number, rather than 32.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport-03 in section 5.1:

Header Form: The most significant bit (0x80) of the first octet is
set to 1 for long headers and 0 for short headers.

Long Packet Type: The remaining seven bits of first octet of a long
packet is the packet type. This field can indicate one of 128
packet types. The types specified for this version are listed in
Table 1.

Connection ID: Octets 1 through 8 contain the connection ID.
Section 5.7 describes the use of this field in more detail.

Packet Number: Octets 9 to 12 contain the packet number. {{packet-
numbers} describes the use of packet numbers.

Version: Octets 13 to 16 contain the selected protocol version.
This field indicates which version of QUIC is in use and
determines how the rest of the protocol fields are interpreted.

Payload: Octets from 17 onwards (the rest of QUIC packet) are the
payload of the packet.

As the fields connection ID etc follows a first octet (Header form and Long Packet Type), the enumeration appears to be off by one. At least using the construction "Octets 1 through 8" implies at least to this reader that this is the first to eight octets, not the second to ninth which it really is. Please edit so that there are no risk for contradictions here.

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Looks like there is a discussion of a more specific alternative for middle box timing in #269 (#391).

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I like Option 3. It is especially powerful when combined with Loss bit from #279.

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s5.6 was added to -03 and it includes the following exporter "EXPORTER-QUIC Packet Number Secret" that needs to be registered.

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Closes #582.

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Commit Summary

  • Registering EXPORTER-QUIC Packet Number Secret
  • fixing internal reference

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Tue, 06 Jun 2017 08:04:30 -0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 01:04:29 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5936620d3e07_26753f8bfafd7c3867171@hookshot-fe6-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 2535c8: issue 558 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5936620d3a4b_26753f8bfafd7c386707a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 08:04:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5936620d3a4b_26753f8bfafd7c386707a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 2535c8853e364abb812eab0312c20527ce587b33 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2535c8853e364abb812eab0312c20527ce587b33 Author: Patrick McManus Date: 2017-05-26 (Fri, 26 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- issue 558 Commit: a580e1ffdb3d02be9a8e2f7e6589fda79d5f0a0a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a580e1ffdb3d02be9a8e2f7e6589fda79d5f0a0a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-06 (Tue, 06 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix mcmanus' text Commit: 252b9e5a3abd41d9e1a799cd7ad340892fe673f1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/252b9e5a3abd41d9e1a799cd7ad340892fe673f1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-06 (Tue, 06 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'mcmanus_558' Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/698236722562...252b9e5a3abd ----==_mimepart_5936620d3a4b_26753f8bfafd7c386707a-- From nobody Tue Jun 6 01:04:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88540129ADF for ; 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The draft requires the client to use client's Connection ID, even if the server's Connection ID is available. This is an artifact of having just one packet type and wanting to be unambiguous whose connection ID this packet features.

I propose using assigning an extra packet type for "0-RTT packets with Server Connection ID" to make handling connections more reliable.

This is related to #577.

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In Section 5.3 of -03 of the draft:

The payload of the Version Negotiation packet is a list of 32-bit
versions which the server supports, as shown below.

As this is an open ended number of versions out of the version number space that actually is very large. Considering that this is an packet sent when no state may exist about MTU, this needs to be limited to keep into safe levels. The general recommendation in later section is to limit full packet to below 1280 bytes. That is 1232 bytes for QUIC headers, and there are 16 bytes before this list. Thus, there is a maximum of 304 versions that fits. Not an immediate problem, but some hint to that there are a limit to N, might be valuable.

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----==_mimepart_593673e9a8e87_27d263fe09a54dc3c728e7-- From nobody Tue Jun 6 02:28:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0D2129BA8 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 02:28:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hp2J80KoE5n5 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 02:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext5.iad.github.net [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B382129BFC for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 02:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 02:28:52 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1496741332; bh=Bj0B7RGZPV5LwgYFgtGiA0tdIhpvrVpBe/YVyhCMMz0=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=JeUS9D3c4h15Fyt3Oj4bT3eT2gN9EB11Ea3TIthNlAkAM2fn+42KJXC6PANB/P/mo h8ydpahuH1QnNQaiw/cY0NrWMiUTn+h4FELGYx3xHXFfW1nkjs9/NVlSU4A5eKf71n JCjRzS6IFQjZmYbgbw0qTxUJ05c9H9IxFeJ92cXA= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Transport: Does Version Negotiation Packet needs MTU consideration (#585) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_593675d4b2d14_7f2a3fed37497c30444af"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 09:28:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_593675d4b2d14_7f2a3fed37497c30444af Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To a large extent, I think that this problem solves itself. That is, all the incentives are aligned to keeping the packet small. I see no reason not to mandate a limit on the packet size though (less than the packet size that it is generated in response to would be fine). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/585#issuecomment-306432098 ----==_mimepart_593675d4b2d14_7f2a3fed37497c30444af Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

To a large extent, I think that this problem solves itself. That is, = all the incentives are aligned to keeping the packet small. I see no rea= son not to mandate a limit on the packet size though (less than the packe= t size that it is generated in response to would be fine).

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Agree this is more an editorial issue, than actually being a significa= nt design issue. I think there is a point to note that the practical uppe= r limit to N is MTU limitations, and the need to have all the versions im= plemented.

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= ----==_mimepart_593676d3602d9_241c3fdbdd1c3c2c792df-- From nobody Tue Jun 6 02:39:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A86F129C04 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 02:39:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t9DjX8Tfmua5 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 02:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext5.iad.github.net [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD45A129B8D for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 02:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 02:39:49 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1496741989; bh=7KcO0GYYmb43bFFs7xgtMZJHu53OjUOcO3iOVUJ7g88=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=hBGbDXD9Tp1t8E1wJMG17f3a+mmRVZCq20tsllaOq5wBszB1wTIr9DsWYlaN+etvl BayFE96apwSdT5qnaO8wtuLv03fro9vwdBAatjNK8V/blMC7bp7CLU4Gaca091TBHQ KeEgiexP6cHPkfPFLhpvISYF5ouVOhbzg01ARf0M= From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recovery: Time based reordering threshold in low RTT environments (#586) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_593678654269d_29e33fed37497c304929d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 09:39:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_593678654269d_29e33fed37497c304929d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If one uses timer based reordering threshold, then it appears that there exist corner cases where it will not have good reordering suppression. As it is defined as fraction of an RTT. If the RTT sample is very short, like a local LAN delays on the order of 1-2 ms then, the reordering events may actually be longer than the regular fraction of the RTT. Thus my question on the design is if it needs any consideration for this case. I also asking if anyone has any measurement data that provides information on how big reordering in time that occurs in these environments. Or is this just a red herring? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/586 ----==_mimepart_593678654269d_29e33fed37497c304929d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

If one uses timer based reordering threshold, then it appears that there exist corner cases where it will not have good reordering suppression. As it is defined as fraction of an RTT. If the RTT sample is very short, like a local LAN delays on the order of 1-2 ms then, the reordering events may actually be longer than the regular fraction of the RTT.

Thus my question on the design is if it needs any consideration for this case.

I also asking if anyone has any measurement data that provides information on how big reordering in time that occurs in these environments. Or is this just a red herring?

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Yeah, I think that we can solve this easily, but deciding on a size turns out to have interop implications. I'm being cautious.

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Recovery -03: Section 3.2.7.1:

If no previous RTT is available, the
initial RTT defaults to 200ms.

This should reference the default konstant defined, and the value is currently set to 100 ms.

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Summarizing discussion in Paris:

  • Client Initial, 0-RTT carries Client-chosen Connection ID (CCID)
  • Stateless Retry / Version Negotiation carry CCID, no SCID recommendations here
  • Server Cleartext carries Server-chosen Connection ID (SCID)
  • Client Cleartext, 1-RTT carry SCID

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Closes #588

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/589

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  • Move connection ID change to only Server Cleartext

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The original issue description is about switching to Server Connection I= D for 0-RTT packets. This may be a rare race condition when Server Connecti= on ID is available, so it is not very important.

The more important case is when Server Connection ID is available for th= e client before the very first 0-RTT packet is sent. It i= s important than for the server (load balancer) to know that Server Connect= ion ID is being used. This also make this a very similar issue to #577.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +In order to create a Stateless Reset Token, a server could randomly generate
+{{!RFC4086}} a secret for every connection that it creates.  However, this
+presents a coordination problem when there are multiple servers in a cluster or
+a storage problem for a server that might lose state.  Stateless reset
+specifically exists to handle the case where state is lost, so this approach is
+suboptimal.
+
+A single static key can be used across all connections to the same endpoint by
+generating the proof using a second iteration of a preimage-resistant function
+that takes three inputs: the static key, a the connection ID for the connection
+(see {{connection-id}}), and an identifier for the server instance.  A server
+could use HMAC {{?RFC2104}} (for example, HMAC(static_key, server_id ||
+connection_id)) or HKDF {{?RFC5869}} (for example, using the static key as input
+keying material, with server and connection identifiers as salt).  The output of
+this function is truncated to 16 octets to produce the Stateless Reset Token
+for that connection.

A server could not use a connection id because the connection id might have changed, and even if didn't change, it might be available in a short header. It also would not be able to use IP and port tuple because it also might have changed.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +the message to be identified as a stateless reset more easily using heuristics.
+
+A server copies the connection ID field from the packet that triggers the
+stateless reset.  A server omits the connection ID if explicitly configured to
+do so, or if the client packet did not include a connection ID.
+
+After the first short header octet and optional connection ID, the server
+includes the value of the Stateless Reset Token that it included in its
+transport parameters.
+
+After the Stateless Reset Token, the server pads the message with random
+octets.
+
+This design ensures that a stateless reset packet is - to the extent possible -
+indistinguishable from a regular packet.
+

Perhaps add that the token MUST appear cryptographically strong random to an observer.

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@igorlord, Can we repurpose this issue to talk about priming the client with a connection ID that will improve their chances of having 0-RTT accepted by a server?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery-03, section 3.3:

The default initial RTT of 100ms was chosen because it is slightly
higher than both the median and mean min_rtt typically observed on
the public internet.

I think there is points of having a fairly aggressive default RTT as it will benefit all that has a short RTT. However, it appears as this will be done at the cost of the connections that have a longer RTT, especially where the RTT is larger than 200 ms, where there will be RTO before the first response has happened. This appears to have implications.

One appears that this connection will never enter slow start? This as the first transmissions will be considered lost and one will be in recovery.

If that is the case, should there be some additions to the slow start so that it can be used in the case described above. I was thinking that even if an RTO has fired, in cases one gets acknowledgement of those packets, without loss indication, then one could still continue with slow start, but now with an more correct RTT sample.

Is this a relevant observation, or have I misunderstood anything?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery-03 there appear to me to be an overloading of the use of the "is_retransmittable" flag. It appears to be used both for the purpose to indicate if there is a frame that can and need be retransmitted and if that frame should be counted as lost and impact congestion control. I think these two purposes should be separated and clarified as being two different ones. The reason is that if we create extensions that will not require retransmission of frames but needs to be included in the congestion control response a significant rewrite would be needed. I also think it would clarify things for some of the control frames also if they should be included or not, even if not regularly retransmitted.

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I think that there is a concern here: you could recast this as: should a client mark packets as lost when the actual RTT is (much) higher than its initial RTT estimate.

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If I understand the text correctly, and I am not sure that I do, I don= 't think this approach is workable due to path migration and Connection I= D migration and due to the fact that connection ids are generally expecte= d to be present in short headers, and due to the lack of symmetry. All is= sues mentioned in above comments.

The server essentially has no way to identify the original of the conn= ection without requesting additional information.

A symmetric reset that allows both end points to reset the connection = would require some sort of challenge where the server says - whoever this= connection is from it makes no sense - please send credentials to allow = me to terminate this connection. The same would be true for the client.

This can probably be based on x25519 public key exchange, but it requi= res some carefull consideration.

I think a simpler is to have the peer tear down the connection if the = server does not reply to ping request where the ping is specified to requ= ire an immediate pong frame unless one has been sent recently. If the a p= eer receives garbage with a valid header it should consider issuing a pin= g request unless it has done so recently.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery-03, section 4.3:

kDefaultMss (default 1460 bytes): The default max packet size used
for calculating default and minimum congestion windows.

kInitialWindow (default 10 * kDefaultMss): Default limit on the
amount of outstanding data in bytes.

kMinimumWindow (default 2 * kDefaultMss): Default minimum congestion
window.

The document doesn't discuss MSS more, however it clearly have significant impact on the protocol behavior. Thus, I really like to get some clarifications on how MSS are handled in QUIC. Some questions I have are:

  1. What is the relation between MSS and IP layer MTU?
  2. Is the constants above intended to be related to actual packets possible to send, where MSS = MTU is important, or only to indicate a certain number of bytes?
  3. What manipulation is allowed of MSS during a connections life time. In QUIC change of MTU has to be expected for several reasons. Thus, should MSS be updated due to MTU changes, and how are they performed?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -595,11 +592,9 @@ It carries cryptographic handshake messages and acknowledgments.  It is used
 by a server that wishes to perform a stateless retry (see
 {{stateless-retry}}).
 
-The connection ID field in a Server Stateless Retry packet contains a server
-selected value, see {{connection-id}}.
-
-The packet number field echoes the packet number of the triggering client
-packet.  This allows a client to verify that the server received its packet.
+The packet number and connection ID fields echo the packet number of the

This says the connection ID field contain's the original packet's packet number. Don't think that's correct.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -595,11 +592,9 @@ It carries cryptographic handshake messages and acknowledgments.  It is used
 by a server that wishes to perform a stateless retry (see
 {{stateless-retry}}).
 
-The connection ID field in a Server Stateless Retry packet contains a server
-selected value, see {{connection-id}}.
-
-The packet number field echoes the packet number of the triggering client
-packet.  This allows a client to verify that the server received its packet.
+The packet number and connection ID fields echo the packet number of the

I believe that it is correct.

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So if I have 50% of the backend servers upgraded to a newer QUIC version, how do I make sure that client comes back to the same server after Version Negotiation?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -595,11 +592,9 @@ It carries cryptographic handshake messages and acknowledgments.  It is used
 by a server that wishes to perform a stateless retry (see
 {{stateless-retry}}).
 
-The connection ID field in a Server Stateless Retry packet contains a server
-selected value, see {{connection-id}}.
-
-The packet number field echoes the packet number of the triggering client
-packet.  This allows a client to verify that the server received its packet.
+The packet number and connection ID fields echo the packet number of the

No, the packet number field should contain the client's packet number, and the connection ID field should contain the client's connection ID. Otherwise, this is just... weird.

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Why such design changes? I want to selectively decide which server will load balance asymmetric cryptography (heavy processing) of TLS handshake. With this design its not possible.

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in which the server sends back the client's version, as servers
aren't supposed to do this.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -933,7 +933,10 @@ proceeds with the handshake ({{handshake}}).  This commits the server to the
 version that the client selected.
 
 When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet from the server, it should
-select an acceptable protocol version.  If the server lists an acceptable
+select an acceptable protocol version. If the packet contains the version that
+the client initially offered, the client MUST terminate the connection
+using a QUIC_INVALID_VERSION_NEGOTIATION_PACKET error.

It's not currently possible to send that error code. (See #467.)

It might be better to just consider QUIC to have failed in this case.

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@chocis, That was discussed here at the interim as being a primary advantage of the current design. No one spoke in favour of retaining that.

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We need to state this as an assumption. This is particularly relevant in the case where we have version negotiation and a rebalancing of the connection-id-based routing on the server cluster. We're opting for a hope-based solution here and assuming that the server will be the same (or at least run the same versions) and that the 5-tuple is enough to keep the routing the same.

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----==_mimepart_5936a32b3daf9_5b2b3ff17fce3c3016263-- From nobody Tue Jun 6 05:45:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B3E126CE8 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 05:45:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BM0czjKS8RUs for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 05:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 447B112869B for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 05:45:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=6yJcIGDgUnt/nr17K/U2XKHsZxo=; b=HBy6TYJtvmqD4Ts5 odMKOBdn2ViGSr7sWI1mARBVj6gxC1/4DkUBnkfZHnXtIOpYZ2FyxtWXFPcPt8Bi cyZurp4feV05e9GLgEB4i1RaJ5qPwjm3UwtS7UYs+ntEn3oOc1j+v8ZgqVuMaTVP X9kz8pbXVZ3QlNGPqYQ4G6fjOU8= Received: by filter0454p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0454p1mdw1-29692-5936A3E3-42 2017-06-06 12:45:23.881484732 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 5w1J0LNoRBq1oDo4ukyvwg for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2017 12:45:23.729 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 05:45:23 -0700 From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Move connection ID change to only Server Cleartext (#589) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5936a3e39cb96_5b243fbc0e763c34939aa"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3sFv8S9ynNeVtUS2cO6BfeSDqmGKLGhlSuVv i4QrhFnnGF/a9G3JVL2/7CUD/lSHogiDZKrpCzYUbglE/jaZGka4mBrlX10S6qUYfMk2BTxbA4HBv8 azdpWV/eHqs3yq/nctcFdrqQcepfYs/LkClgvvGb0FbdHyXsLF2cCOVGPvwGpHV6W7kMllyTTpi+j4 8= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 12:45:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5936a3e39cb96_5b243fbc0e763c34939aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > -the server, it uses the connection ID it received from the server. - -When the server receives a Client Initial packet, it chooses a new value for the -connection ID and sends that in its response. The server MUST send a new -connection ID in any packet that is sent in response to a Client Initial packet. -This includes Version Negotiation ({{packet-version}}), Server Stateless Retry -({{packet-server-stateless}}), and the first Server Cleartext packet -({{packet-server-cleartext}}). The server MAY choose to use the value that the -client initially selects. - -A server MUST NOT propose a different connection ID in response to a Client -Cleartext packet ({{packet-client-cleartext}}). A Client Cleartext packet is -only sent after the server has committed to maintaining connection state. +packets ({{packet-client-initial}}) and 0-RTT packets ({{packet-protected}}). +If the client has received any packet from the server, it uses the connection ID +it received from the server. This sentence is slightly misleading, since 0-RTT packets will continue using the client Connection ID. I would remove this sentence since paras below cover everything else. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/589#pullrequestreview-42301745 ----==_mimepart_5936a3e39cb96_5b243fbc0e763c34939aa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -the server, it uses the connection ID it received from the server.
-
-When the server receives a Client Initial packet, it chooses a new value for the
-connection ID and sends that in its response.  The server MUST send a new
-connection ID in any packet that is sent in response to a Client Initial packet.
-This includes Version Negotiation ({{packet-version}}), Server Stateless Retry
-({{packet-server-stateless}}), and the first Server Cleartext packet
-({{packet-server-cleartext}}).  The server MAY choose to use the value that the
-client initially selects.
-
-A server MUST NOT propose a different connection ID in response to a Client
-Cleartext packet ({{packet-client-cleartext}}).  A Client Cleartext packet is
-only sent after the server has committed to maintaining connection state.
+packets ({{packet-client-initial}}) and 0-RTT packets ({{packet-protected}}).
+If the client has received any packet from the server, it uses the connection ID
+it received from the server.

This sentence is slightly misleading, since 0-RTT packets will continue using the client Connection ID. I would remove this sentence since paras below cover everything else.

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Are you indicating the client would use a different packet type(ie: Client Initial) to indicate it was not client chosen?

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@huitema also spoke against that, since it becomes easy for an attacker to forge.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -the server, it uses the connection ID it received from the server.
-
-When the server receives a Client Initial packet, it chooses a new value for the
-connection ID and sends that in its response.  The server MUST send a new
-connection ID in any packet that is sent in response to a Client Initial packet.
-This includes Version Negotiation ({{packet-version}}), Server Stateless Retry
-({{packet-server-stateless}}), and the first Server Cleartext packet
-({{packet-server-cleartext}}).  The server MAY choose to use the value that the
-client initially selects.
-
-A server MUST NOT propose a different connection ID in response to a Client
-Cleartext packet ({{packet-client-cleartext}}).  A Client Cleartext packet is
-only sent after the server has committed to maintaining connection state.
+packets ({{packet-client-initial}}) and 0-RTT packets ({{packet-protected}}).
+If the client has received any packet from the server, it uses the connection ID
+it received from the server.

"... for all packets other than 0-RTT packets." ?

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Of course, regardless of chaining, it must be a requirement that packets are routable to the recepient, but that is different from requiring a stable 5-tuple.

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----==_mimepart_5936a651ee4b2_5df33fcd96ec9c3c96179-- From nobody Tue Jun 6 05:57:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFC2C128796 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 05:57:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X32uV19jtJWB for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 05:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext4.iad.github.net [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65E39127136 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 05:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 05:57:45 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1496753865; bh=9enoMhKibeHWQyRhSzFqtUuMUV4yk+isSb7Pv8MhnTY=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ifEl9OAnvV8of3S6JKXmYfUjvuKwDESO2d7kCne+agq1Qr6l57ChHN0g9jPUyPu4u 32l35mlsMDVCD9c0qUAn5eG7DnWJDshLhyQW9uHQvb5Lq/7a4WgyqFgAY73RvQYcbT f86VODicUHOfcCxTCRUcwgGc3Ij12sjbuxkAThN4= From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Prime the client with a connection ID it can use for 0-RTT (#584) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5936a6c9c69a8_2e1253fb326311c307293c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 12:57:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5936a6c9c69a8_2e1253fb326311c307293c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, a different packet type would do it. I want my load balancer to be very simple like: forward_to_server_id = has_server_id(packet) ? extract_server_id(packet) : pick_server_id_for(packet, policies); -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/584#issuecomment-306477919 ----==_mimepart_5936a6c9c69a8_2e1253fb326311c307293c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, a different packet type would do it.

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Well, I'm not inclined to suggest a new packet type. We could = require that a client use a connection ID if the server picked one. In tha= t way, the server could be sure (to the extent that it can be) that when it= accepts 0-RTT, the connection ID is correct.

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Ok, server/load-balancer would just need to treat this case like it would treat Client Initial. I can live with this, I think.

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It would also free up a lot of room in the flag byte.

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Discussed in Paris; Martin to update PR above:

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So, as a thought exercise (not assuming that we need to solve this proble= m here) I'd like to walk through what we *could* do if we actually suppor= ted both WebRTC protocols and QUIC on the same port. I think the simplest thing to do would be to pass everything through a QU= IC "dispatcher" that determines if this packet belongs to QUIC --- basica= lly confirms whether this packet should be consumed by QUIC or not --- an= d if it isn't consumed by QUIC (including packets that QUIC decides MUST = be dropped because they are QUIC packets but violate some property) then = it can be consumed by non-QUIC applications on the same port. The question of course is how bad is the likelihood of false positives/ne= gatives. With the encrypted packet types in QUIC, the QUIC dispatcher wil= l safely reject non-QUIC packets. = With the plaintext types, which are used during handshake, QUIC packets a= re covered by a non-crypto FNV-1a hash. The cost that QUIC bears of a mis= -classification among plaintext packets as a QUIC packet is limited to ca= ses where the contents of the packet are not part of the final key deriva= tion. These packet types are limited to a few long-form packet types, all= of which have a number of version-independent fields upfront, including = version, which could be checked for sanity (since connection ID and packe= t number can be arbitrary.) This still doesn't seem great, since 0x0001 i= s a fine version number to have in QUIC and may be a completely reasonabl= e string in RTP. So alternatively, we could renumber the long-form packe= t types to start at 255 and count down, since 192 - 255 is left open by R= FC 7983, and since we just need 6 cleartext packet types at the moment t= o be distinct from the RTP packet types (it's smaller than that, since St= ateless Reject and Version Negotiation packets need to echo stuff from th= e client's packets.) TL;DR of this is that *if* we wanted to allow for a future coexistence of= WebRTC protocols with QUIC on the same port -- and this is a big "if", s= ince I wonder if they need to be on the same port --- we could renumber j= ust the long-form packets to start at 255 and grow downwards. We only nee= d <=3D 6 plaintext packet types to be out of the collision region with R= FC 7983. -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/426#issuecomment-306500276= ----==_mimepart_5936b9a29d010_58363fab56d29c2c418fe Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This may be one of those things where keeping WebRTC in the b= ack of our minds might help QUIC not get stuck badly in the future.

So, as a thought exercise (not assuming that we need to solve this pro= blem here) I'd like to walk through what we could do if we actua= lly supported both WebRTC protocols and QUIC on the same port.

I think the simplest thing to do would be to pass everything through a= QUIC "dispatcher" that determines if this packet belongs to QUIC --- bas= ically confirms whether this packet should be consumed by QUIC or not ---= and if it isn't consumed by QUIC (including packets that QUIC decides MU= ST be dropped because they are QUIC packets but violate some property) th= en it can be consumed by non-QUIC applications on the same port.

The question of course is how bad is the likelihood of false positives= /negatives. With the encrypted packet types in QUIC, the QUIC dispatcher = will safely reject non-QUIC packets.

With the plaintext types, which are used during handshake, QUIC packet= s are covered by a non-crypto FNV-1a hash. The cost that QUIC bears of a = mis-classification among plaintext packets as a QUIC packet is limited to= cases where the contents of the packet are not part of the final key der= ivation. These packet types are limited to a few long-form packet types, = all of which have a number of version-independent fields upfront, includi= ng version, which could be checked for sanity (since connection ID and pa= cket number can be arbitrary.) This still doesn't seem great, since 0x000= 1 is a fine version number to have in QUIC and may be a completely reason= able string in RTP. So alternatively, we could renumber the long-form pa= cket types to start at 255 and count down, since 192 - 255 is left open b= y RFC 7983, and since we just need 6 cleartext packet types at the momen= t to be distinct from the RTP packet types (it's smaller than that, since= Stateless Reject and Version Negotiation packets need to echo stuff from= the client's packets.)

TL;DR of this is that if we wanted to allow for a future coex= istence of WebRTC protocols with QUIC on the same port -- and this is a b= ig "if", since I wonder if they need to be on the same port --- we could = renumber just the long-form packets to start at 255 and grow downwards. W= e only need <=3D 6 plaintext packet types to be out of the collision r= egion with RFC 7983.

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But if a stable 5-tuple is required, it should probably also be unique. The uniqueness requirement can be avoided with chaining Connection ID's.

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Two nits

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1133,6 +1134,14 @@ truncate_connection_id (0x0004):
   length.  Omitting the parameter indicates that the endpoint relies on the
   connection ID being present in every packet.
 
+max_packet_size (0x0005):
+
+: The maximum packet size parameter places a limit on the size of packets that
+  the endpoint is willing to receive, encoded as an unsigned 16-bit integer.
+  The default for this parameter is the maximum permitted UDP payload of 65527.
+  Values below 256 are invalid.  The initial packet from a client is exempt from

1280 not 256? Also, do we want to mention that the peer is indicating it will drop packets larger than the limit?

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Discussed in Paris: We don't believe we need this. If we determine that it is needed later, we can add a framing layer that would be negotiated in a signalling channel.

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----==_mimepart_5936bf5890f3c_c0c3ff2172afc3053239-- From nobody Tue Jun 6 07:54:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59D0712956B for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 07:54:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.397 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.397 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NUdXVlXyk27X for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 07:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F11DB129482 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 07:53:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=HAzBLs1QxYicnfcVgk2JaakyggI=; b=mvouct1wSNNv9/Qh MVEtdfO3RDE0OzAKt16Cv3DROdqfeCNkqO1oELxCwot2DS7ZK6rPsT7a2zRT6HqW 8+faFGja+L9xstVmag/1MQRWXQYP8XuE9zYKJ179koNnung2Dt4kmdld7djEhhvk 3OOdTFMSVIseI1/bCPdG6DXyQHI= Received: by filter0429p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0429p1mdw1-25557-5936C204-E 2017-06-06 14:53:56.188950249 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 9AZiq9y_SuKDT-pbO2miVg for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2017 14:53:56.040 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 07:53:55 -0700 From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] GREASE the packet type octet (#311) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5936c203b217f_a9113f984e869c345443a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3R4tHNE/8GSWupNVCAZzJniJInMTTkGVpkHB Tn1DeeFiyLiCqcJhDnMF2mit2fkJhB+gmRNeiHa6UC7ILK7VcJ6rWiVQr4NzDh2+QghzfJwsy2G4tQ KHcTiVPCZeNV44GZR11ZeTz3gIBNWldHQAaPlRpOZJcHaBIxuNC2On1EHg== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 14:54:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5936c203b217f_a9113f984e869c345443a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As I said in the meeting, I have an alternative proposed design: - Packet has type P - Encrypt the packet and call the last byte of the packet (the auth tag) T - Set the new packet type to be P ^ (T & 0x7f) This randomizes the packet type without placing any special requirements on the construction of the code points. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/311#issuecomment-306511671 ----==_mimepart_5936c203b217f_a9113f984e869c345443a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As I said in the meeting, I have an alternative proposed design:

  • Packet has type P
  • Encrypt the packet and call the last byte of the packet (the auth tag) = T
  • Set the new packet type to be P ^ (T & 0x7f)

This randomizes the packet type without placing any special requirements= on the construction of the code points.

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If an attacker has access to a network with efficient IP payload compression, it may be comparatively cheap for the sender to transmit Client Initial packets even if the packets are required to be 1280 bytes long. This can be mitigated by replacing padding with random data, or a some pattern that is not trivially compressible.

I am not familiar with options today, but the following RFC do discuss such a compression technology, and other options may appear in the future:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3173

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@ianswett, I forgot to commit the change to make this 1252 (I blame jet lag), but you said two comments and only had one. Just making sure that you didn't have another one.

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----==_mimepart_5936c494e5311_137f3f92a5bf7c384972a-- From nobody Tue Jun 6 08:10:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE33129477 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 08:10:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.021 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.021 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EBJWxx-LUduZ for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 08:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C8C612944C for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 08:10:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=mqMeoCXbM8rlvVbbeEtEh054qgo=; b=WbhnVx2XpvbZ7uPX 0pe8KI2XN4+h6g+4rxKmWp3mKY4BnEt9TzGCv+E2+hCm9Rt8VS+uAgcu6rsks2Yr OBuwnoqDSF9cKSmE21UJAQqBisTxL8eHoxC1/aBTn8lKrOf/SxbGl7OGfIg9Acz2 paLhz5XK7xE2kz4G6Gk3my/E3M4= Received: by filter1092p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1092p1mdw1-14665-5936C5D7-9 2017-06-06 15:10:15.107993756 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id _CXgBlxbTyOHXLKUktNv_g for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2017 15:10:14.975 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 08:10:13 -0700 From: =?UTF-8?B?SsSBbmlz?= Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Move connection ID change to only Server Cleartext (#589) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5936c5d55fe_63ed3ffbed29fc388783"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: chocis X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2LTO1xtV/5U4otPSM7L47SPnWWsahTSX2ThL tx6M8GEn962DzRREwCnFsQIRJuO1oGGdK4I35GECPdp93GA0tcu+b0B/lUvNWV7jVLsjUeNaK1zZ0O /8C6gp052MOi5H5PngK0Am1hVCX1s9/qGdaq1m3jmDaMjHNriKlKRRLPiP6tVoZn9InRmIuzYcNFjT I= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 15:10:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5936c5d55fe_63ed3ffbed29fc388783 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well then I would like to propose to reconsider that. Is there any reason why Server Stateless Retry couldn't change CID? 1) Firstly, in my opininon server without using Server Stateless Retry (without verifying src address/port) is simply asking to be DOS attacked. I could fill server's RAM with Raspberry Pi by simply spoofing src address. Thats why I am talking about situation where that check is enabled. 2) Secondly, imageine that you want to use CID for load balancing your clients. In current solution you would have to support accepting TLS handshake on all backends and when initial request is validated the partial TLS and QUIC state must be serialized and somehow transported to decided loadbalanced server (with the new CID) - and thats not easy AT ALL. I think, that this can be solved by simply returning new CID in Server Stateless Retry without doing any work or state transportation on backend. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/589#issuecomment-306517012 ----==_mimepart_5936c5d55fe_63ed3ffbed29fc388783 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well then I would like to propose to reconsider that. Is there any reaso= n why Server Stateless Retry couldn't change CID?

  1. Firstly, in my opininon server without using Server Stateless Retry (wit= hout verifying src address/port) is simply asking to be DOS attacked. I cou= ld fill server's RAM with Raspberry Pi by simply spoofing src address. That= s why I am talking about situation where that check is enabled.

  2. Secondly, imageine that you want to use CID for load balancing your clie= nts. In current solution you would have to support accepting TLS handshake = on all backends and when initial request is validated the partial TLS and Q= UIC state must be serialized and somehow transported to decided loadbalance= d server (with the new CID) - and thats not easy AT ALL. I think, that this= can be solved by simply returning new CID in Server Stateless Retry withou= t doing any work or state transportation on backend.

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Why do you think that an attacker would want to follow your advice to ra= ndomly pad? I would have thought that allowing randomized data would give = them a greater advantage in constructing a packet that is otherwise valid, = but that decompresses to something insane.

FWIW, I don't think that this is worth worrying about.

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It would be a pseudorandom verifiable sequence, such as the fibbonnach= i sequence of some initial seed.

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Discussed in Paris; generally agreed to be a good thing.

Jana and Ian to check to see if this makes migration from Google QUIC easy/hard.

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@huitema points out that we might want to have a keyed permutation because any st= atic permutation is easily degreased. The observation here is that you can = have a key that's shared across all of the connections, because we're not r= eally worried about the middlebox connecting to the server and extracting t= he key for the transformation. With that in mind, here's an alternate keeed= proposal.

1. Server generates a key K_static which it uses for all connect=
ions.
2. Packet has type P and last byte T
3. The server delivers K_static in its first flight.
4. For every packet, you compute P' =3D P ^(PRF(K, T) & 0x7f) where
    K =3D 0 for initial packets
    K =3D K_static for other packets.

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Related: there may be other ways to deal with this, such as proof of work instead of large packet size, but that obviously has its own issues.

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I only left one comment, but with two issues, one of which was addressed with "This indicates that packets larger than this limit will be dropped" and the other was the 1252 change.

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----==_mimepart_5936d0899c874_1d503fd01acafc2c953ec-- From nobody Tue Jun 6 12:28:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12A86128A32 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 12:28:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WX9R-C2N7q0z for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 12:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14FBF1242EA for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 12:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 12:28:06 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1496777286; bh=uxhfDsnS0KsRI/3rG26GrlTwfo5e/x27454c4YQQbgs=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=WpVxvrCkfxCuqeJR/P08X1WPgKCd7AOiR64LkjVwneHWkHsX3FXjWkDmyt1tLIXk6 b6PmTTMLH/jfwKmTuivlzdKRYYjNau7HHTbE7Huh28IGJFquKxMs8a57N2LRXKxAGR RIi5pz3DwkHHJ9e7PYrpACMOdFFNby1klh0jAZJc= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection abort during handshake (#597) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_593702464dba9_292d3fc7ebc7bc38440f4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 19:28:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_593702464dba9_292d3fc7ebc7bc38440f4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The transport document is not very clear on how to handle errors during handshake. TLS 1.3 section 6.2 says to abort connection and send a simple error. This can be done in client or server cleartext packets. However, a server, or a client, may be jammed with error messages from an adversary. For servers, this can be mitigated by veryfing the Connection Id before accepting the TLS error message. For clients this is not so simple because not all server clear text messages contain the CCID. In a traditional browser client this may not be a big deal, but for peer2peer between two servers, this could be a problem. A solution could be have all server cleartext packets contain CCID in addition to SSID, similar to how Stateless Retry packets are protected, except that Stateless Retry does not also have a SSID. The draft does not mention explicitly that cleartext packets with CONNECTION_CLOSE or GO_AWAY should be dropped, but if they are not, the same issue may happen during handshake. It would be helpful with some very explicit text about how to ignore packets and close connections when unexpected payload appears. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/597 ----==_mimepart_593702464dba9_292d3fc7ebc7bc38440f4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The transport document is not very clear on how to handle errors during handshake. TLS 1.3 section 6.2 says to abort connection and send a simple error. This can be done in client or server cleartext packets.

However, a server, or a client, may be jammed with error messages from an adversary. For servers, this can be mitigated by veryfing the Connection Id before accepting the TLS error message. For clients this is not so simple because not all server clear text messages contain the CCID. In a traditional browser client this may not be a big deal, but for peer2peer between two servers, this could be a problem.

A solution could be have all server cleartext packets contain CCID in addition to SSID, similar to how Stateless Retry packets are protected, except that Stateless Retry does not also have a SSID.

The draft does not mention explicitly that cleartext packets with CONNECTION_CLOSE or GO_AWAY should be dropped, but if they are not, the same issue may happen during handshake. It would be helpful with some very explicit text about how to ignore packets and close connections when unexpected payload appears.

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Related: QUIC_INVALID_VERSION_NEGOTIATION_PACKET could be sent by an adversary if CONNECTION_CLOSE frames are permitted in cleartext, and if not, the error is useless unless forwarded to TLS.

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----==_mimepart_593711ef35f15_3c123fb2ebbcfc2c94644-- From nobody Tue Jun 6 13:54:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C4912957F for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 13:54:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 86idiJnH38_b for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 13:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D1681286CA for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 13:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 13:54:34 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1496782474; bh=OhfLl6CE6XrO/BQVp4Kd5NU/F55CA+D13QKoaBNdb+0=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=IErBVY1zZTkWSbFt7BlFiIxFPGJxvn+t/oAghUAElMV0CAsgEUC/NkFnohF2rO/xY KtZccdiK9th4z4TjlRSkufsjhHmfGUigWUhDcDgYRJsD8SAWiHxLuZuDgn8mQcW9nu Mp3frzx39JuiQfwmOR8WJVczicjfqR1ocJQYeMD0= From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Move connection ID change to only Server Cleartext (#589) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5937168a7d841_29713fd3723b3c305731b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 20:54:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5937168a7d841_29713fd3723b3c305731b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The way I would implement the load balancer: 1. If the packet has CCID, consistent hash it into the pool of backend servers for this dest IP or hostname based on the 6-tuple (5+tuple + CCID) and forward the packet. 1a. The backend server replies with a Version Negotiation packet (too bad cannot use SCID here). or 1b. The backend server replies with a SCID to continue the handshake. 2. If the packet has SCID, validate that SCID seems ok and forward the packet to the identified server. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/589#issuecomment-306614086 ----==_mimepart_5937168a7d841_29713fd3723b3c305731b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The way I would implement the load balancer:

  1. If the packet has CCID, consistent hash it into the pool of backend se= rvers for this dest IP or hostname based on the 6-tuple (5+tuple + CCID) = and forward the packet.
    1a. The backend server replies with a Version Negotiation packet (too bad= cannot use SCID here). or
    1b. The backend server replies with a SCID to continue the handshake.

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  2. If the packet has SCID, validate that SCID seems ok and forward the pa= cket to the identified server.

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To clarify, you're imagining an attacker behind a proxy which compresses= packets? Given the vast majority of packets flowing through 443 are encry= pted, and a large portion of the rest is the TLS handshake(which encrypts p= oorly), I'm not sure why one would deploy such a proxy?

If there is no reason to believe this sort of proxy is common, I would t= end to agree with Martin that this isn't worth worrying about.

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Another example would be government controlled internet backbones used in cyber warfare that exploit a backbone compression standard at IP level or below.

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@ekr I am = afraid that the approach might not work well with a deployment that uses ei= ther connection ID or 5-tuple for load balancing, depending on the type of = a packet.

In the past, we have discussed of deployments that would use some bits o= f a connection ID to route a packet to the correct server sitting behind a = load balancer (or to the correct POP within an anycast deployment). Note th= at such a load balancer will typically not maintain any state of a QUIC con= nection.

OTOH, I also anticipate that even in a deployment that does connection I= D-based load balancing, you might want to route packets to backend servers = based on the 5-tuple during the handshake. This is for avoiding attacks tar= geting a specific server behind a load balancer. Note that processing of ha= ndshake packets could be much more computationally intensive due to public-= key operations when compared to other types of packets.

The issue with the proposed approach is that it is impossible for a stat= eless load balancer to determine the correct type of the packet, since whet= her K=3D0 or K=3DK_static should be used depends = on the state of the connection. Therefore, with the proposed approach, it b= ecomes impossible to change how the packet is load balanced depending on th= e type of a packet.

Am I missing something?

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Hmm.. I see your point. That is a problem. There's probably some way around that (one idea would be to steal one more bit for that), but I'll have to think about the best approach.

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----==_mimepart_5937922cd694d_45283fc2bca95c2c3183b-- From nobody Tue Jun 6 23:10:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571B712EA59 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 23:10:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.615 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.615 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FlWPzhaY4y3P for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 23:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3FDBB12EA64 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 23:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 23:10:10 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1496815810; bh=KCG1aVZrbDXU9IAL+M6M2q0AW6e/yuaS9wlP6ksW1Sw=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bHFh1OalU+cobU1qXGcKc9UDiUOdDtwEeIdMCmZYmJTb8VkWRer54BiMjaUJgXeZc HZNN4kS0yYN8I2lSWixBcb860jV/1ewDMg2+IpXymGRfcL6bBZqd7D/GAMMzdeO5+Y SDUFEJUBIcGbO6TnxkcHefk7KgGm/PR7wzMKkLtU= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] GREASE the packet type octet (#311) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_593798c290152_71e33ff6ea7d3c3420227"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 06:10:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_593798c290152_71e33ff6ea7d3c3420227 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for the response. I agree that stealing a bit could fix the problem. Reconsidering this, it seems to me that there is another issue (sorry for the fuss). My understanding is that some load balancers start streaming packets to the correct port before seeing the end of the packet. Making the actual type depend on the final octet of a packet prevents us from using such a load balancer. Would it be possible to use an octet that exists at the beginning of the packet for greasing? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/311#issuecomment-306696547 ----==_mimepart_593798c290152_71e33ff6ea7d3c3420227 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thank you for the response. I agree that stealing a bit could fix the = problem.

Reconsidering this, it seems to me that there is another issue (sorry = for the fuss).

My understanding is that some load balancers start streaming packets t= o the correct port before seeing the end of the packet. Making the actual= type depend on the final octet of a packet prevents us from using such a= load balancer.

Would it be possible to use an octet that exists at the beginning of t= he packet for greasing?

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Well thats why I think this is another reason for using Server Statele= ss Retry, which returns client's selected random packet number and can be= validated by client. It would be hard for attacker to guess that value (= 2^31).
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Well thats why I think this is another reason for using Server Stateless= Retry, which returns client's selected random packet number and can be val= idated by client. It would be hard for attacker to guess that value (2^31).=

On using packet numbers for validation: I think it would be simpler to v= alidate on a client and a server chosen nonce (aka Connection Id) because i= t requires less state, but I might be missing something. For example if fai= ling on a second Client ClearText packet you need to remember all packet nu= mbers and while retransmission does this, it is a different machinery. Havi= ng the nonces also simplifies state lookup.

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I guess one counter argument to my issue is that the 5-tuple is hard to = guess for an observer, but it really is only one port number that is hard t= o guess, and that port number might not be generated as random as one would= hope on all platforms.

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The greasing requires some kind of "obfuscation" or "encryption" of the = packet type. Simple obfuscation would be to combine the packet type with so= me fields in the packet, and would not require any "key". Problem with that= is that middleboxes will quickly learn the obfuscation algorithm, and then= reverse it. So if we want to actually grease, we need to use some kind of = key-driven encryption.

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Yesterday, we briefly mentioned a potential solution in which the packet= type would be encrypted with a key known by the load balancer. Of course, = having the same key used by the load balancer and every client does not wor= k. The middleboxes would just have to set a connection to the service to le= arn the key. In any solution like that, the key has to be specific to a sin= gle client. It will have to depend on the connection ID, something like f(C= onnectionID, local secret).

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The basic threat model here is that it's possible to have unknown network transitions and so if you just have the client initiate non-linkage events, then you might have unknown linkage. Thus it should be, to the extent practical, impossible to link any two packets. We can -- and I'm sure will -- debate whether this is the right threat model, but the topic of this email is just techniques. There are two main sources of potential inter-packet linkage: - The conn_id (which is the same) - The packet number (which is sequential) The current design, which allows you to occasionally change the conn_id and then has a random PN increment, doesn't scale well to this scenario. I'm aware of two primary overall designs here, either of which will work but neither of which is a complete no-brainer. 1. Omit the connection ID and then directly encrypt the packet number with a per-connection key. This basically forfeits the automatic connection mobility feature that the conn_id provides, because the server/LB needs to use the 5-tuple to recover the key. 2. Have the server provide the client with a pool of connection tokens, each of which is actually a wrapped version of the (conn_id, PN) pair. The client uses one token per packet, and the server/LB then unwraps the pair upon packet receipt. In order for this to work, the server has to periodically replenish the pool, though it's not a disaster if the client runs out, because we can probably invent some way to reuse a token with a PN delta, though at some privacy cost. Neither of these designs is 100% ideal. The first isn't at all consistent with automatic mobility or recovering from NAT rebinding, which was the motivation for connection ID in the first place (basically, you have no connection ID). It also may come at some additional bandwidth cost because the PN is used to compute the per-packet nonce, but at absolute worst it's 16 extra bytes per packet. The second doesn't require giving up mobility/rebinding resistance, but comes at some additional costs, specifically (1) some protocol complexity (2) bandwidth overhead because you need to send the tokens in the reverse direction [best estimate is 16-24 overall additional bytes on the wire in both direction] (3) the LB will have to do some crypto to recover the connection ID (most likely one AES operation). We have detailed designs for both of these, though it's possible they can be optimized further. Happy to go into these, but I think it's more useful to discuss this at a high level rather than going into the detailed mechanisms at this time. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I and some others have been looking at how to protect the connection
ID from correlation between any two packets. The basic threat model
here is that it's possible to have unknown network transitions and so
if you just have the client initiate non-linkage events, then you
might have unknown linkage. Thus it should be, to the extent
practical, impossible to link any two packets. We can -- and I'm sure
will -- debate whether this is the right threat model, but the topic
of this email is just techniques.

There are two main sources of potential inter-packet linkage:

  • The conn_id (which is the same)
  • The packet number (which is sequential)

The current design, which allows you to occasionally change the
conn_id and then has a random PN increment, doesn't scale well to this
scenario.

I'm aware of two primary overall designs here, either of which will
work but neither of which is a complete no-brainer.

  1. Omit the connection ID and then directly encrypt the packet number
    with a per-connection key. This basically forfeits the automatic
    connection mobility feature that the conn_id provides, because the
    server/LB needs to use the 5-tuple to recover the key.

  2. Have the server provide the client with a pool of connection
    tokens, each of which is actually a wrapped version of the
    (conn_id, PN) pair. The client uses one token per packet, and the
    server/LB then unwraps the pair upon packet receipt. In order for
    this to work, the server has to periodically replenish the pool,
    though it's not a disaster if the client runs out, because we can
    probably invent some way to reuse a token with a PN delta, though
    at some privacy cost.

Neither of these designs is 100% ideal. The first isn't at all
consistent with automatic mobility or recovering from NAT rebinding,
which was the motivation for connection ID in the first place
(basically, you have no connection ID). It also may come at some
additional bandwidth cost because the PN is used to compute the
per-packet nonce, but at absolute worst it's 16 extra bytes per
packet.

The second doesn't require giving up mobility/rebinding resistance,
but comes at some additional costs, specifically (1) some protocol
complexity (2) bandwidth overhead because you need to send the tokens
in the reverse direction [best estimate is 16-24 overall additional
bytes on the wire in both direction] (3) the LB will have to do some
crypto to recover the connection ID (most likely one AES operation).

We have detailed designs for both of these, though it's possible they
can be optimized further. Happy to go into these, but I think it's
more useful to discuss this at a high level rather than going into
the detailed mechanisms at this time.

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We don't want an endpoint to send Public Resets in response to random non-QUIC packets.

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The draft does not mention explicitly that cleartext packets with CONNEC= TION_CLOSE or GO_AWAY should be dropped, but if they are not, the same issu= e may happen during handshake.

the draft does whitelist which frame types are valid in the various clea= rtext packets (generally some combination of stream ack and padding) which = I think covers this particularly (quoted) concern.

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First pass at the proposed idea to pull the things that are version-invariant into a separate doc. Creates a "core" document which describes packet headers, version negotiation, and stateless reset. Leaves to individual versions to define additional packet types and their fields. Transport doc does that, along with all frame definitions.

I'll note that it feels a little odd to have "core QUIC" not be multiplexed and have no concept of a crypto handshake. We've previously said that version defines what you expect to find on Stream 0, but by the split mentioned at the interim, the very existence of Stream 0 and its use for the handshake is itself a version-local concept.

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I'll note that it feels a little odd to have "core QUIC" not be multiple= xed and have no concept of a crypto handshake.

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= ----==_mimepart_5937b7eed9628_66d3fa2c0e05c34797b6-- From nobody Wed Jun 7 01:25:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E8412EAF8 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 01:25:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NwFuR_jQGhh4 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 01:25:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 814E312EB05 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 01:24:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=wwqwtDwaKXvYz4QC2J+b4JHfiZA=; b=T5VKjbFpd9rlZK0x kWuGD9Q9evEp2uEiIBqSEvbspgu95iDfBmAiuxqxDBs0BpuEfSVi5SkSo2T2Bkjk i8MbhzHpkRJ0NWdX/D2HJWZAN/SLW9A+xYcEFrfJLZL9Y6oLk+de61wF/5DEDfSR Pa8DzCF8Yjv4pYu+z6RNn9Z+jg8= Received: by filter0800p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0800p1mdw1-599-5937B857-5F 2017-06-07 08:24:55.95700406 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id XEAnztS2TSGmshXqmjuaig for ; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 08:24:55.867 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 01:24:55 -0700 From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recovery: Specification of transmission of ACK frames (#601) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5937b857bfcf3_34533feed03d3c3c24063"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0JMdL3WMdPjjqZlFZm4Cv4kfF49Mqecv9KBU wuxCB34rX+WqRkDZ+jM9zKUNZl2nNDp68125HimvAwzakQHkikz31xDiv0CXjJpGgEnKHQcl2yPAGm kT4dryZxIO6W4Ve+aWRH8JSmkwgFV/1USJ0a/Jh67p6YVhgwlDbB2WeRKdROZlSQrXAxIaglVm4EY7 4= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 08:25:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5937b857bfcf3_34533feed03d3c3c24063 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Raised on draft-ietf-quic-recovery-03 I find nothing discussing the transmission of ACK Frame in the recovery draft. It includes process for how to process the received, including delayed ACK transmission using default 25 ms, but their is no specification regarding how and when the delayed ACK transmission should be used, and how often in relation to received packets a peer should transmit ACK frames. I also do not find these details in the transport-03 draft. But, I think they actually belong here, as ACK thinning for high rates as well as timed delayed ACK is primarily functions for loss recovery and congestion control behavior beyond the initial handshake. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/601 ----==_mimepart_5937b857bfcf3_34533feed03d3c3c24063 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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I find nothing discussing the transmission of ACK Frame in the recovery draft. It includes process for how to process the received, including delayed ACK transmission using default 25 ms, but their is no specification regarding how and when the delayed ACK transmission should be used, and how often in relation to received packets a peer should transmit ACK frames.

I also do not find these details in the transport-03 draft. But, I think they actually belong here, as ACK thinning for high rates as well as timed delayed ACK is primarily functions for loss recovery and congestion control behavior beyond the initial handshake.

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Hmm... I think I would trim this down to QUIC invariants which just defines what has to be in the initial packet and the VN packet.

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That's basically what I was going for. But the contents of the initial = packet are already version-dependent, and would lock in a lot of details th= at we may want to vary in future versions. So we need to leave the packet = payload in the hand of the specific version.

What I attempted to do was just take the list of things that can't chang= e between versions and lift those into the separate doc.

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----==_mimepart_5937c21622718_39c03fa76bda1c34240f0-- From nobody Wed Jun 7 02:06:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD26A12949E for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 02:06:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o9WVJzKYoHuH for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 02:06:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05F50128D8B for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 02:06:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 02:06:30 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1496826390; bh=Is3lqdsemz1IMSid3HXIcIeEdd7A96fHbBy0ZXrNr3Y=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=AvjutKDr0Wetl17UUM0rhJKQ7bIjE9plkpO7bJr/S3koRiCVi0DJtPisfq6ARuMIL QyDVfkKk18QIPS3Hq8sTKPQ5V4OBrVWhPK7KE1g5Vc8c4+nTshsUYmK3JMbYJhHdbV iT7jCqdaFbF89WzpStC1K6VHnt6h/cwOGSMBVAS0= From: Mark Nottingham Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Replace CONNECTION_CLOSE with Public Reset (#353) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5937c2166a88_2dae3f8c5c7b7c304337"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mnot X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 09:06:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5937c2166a88_2dae3f8c5c7b7c304337 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #353. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/353#event-1113265636 ----==_mimepart_5937c2166a88_2dae3f8c5c7b7c304337 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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As discussed in Paris, there will be a secret signal between endpoints in "Public Reset" situations. The CONNECTION_CLOSE (or silent close) will also be invisible to the path.

This is desirable because it allows endpoints to operate in a maximum-privacy mode. However, a non-spoofable but widely readable end to path connection-is-over (or I'm-done-with-the path) signal or series of signals would, I submit, allow many internet systems to work better. The QUIC standard should specify a means of doing this, which would be optional (SHOULD?).

I think the PLUS working group is working on solutions that are relevant to this problem.

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----==_mimepart_5937c3f66a151_29ae3fc219ed7c3424996-- From nobody Wed Jun 7 02:14:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1105E12EB31 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 02:14:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.254 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.254 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xcZVlwXNVSjn for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 02:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94DF112EB2D for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 02:14:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=oYJ070UT2afdrJU36e5DhsL55Vo=; b=U0DjPR6vLwQ/ww/4 MB9ynbiJ2eXtuYMFukEZDyrwwu8U/4qWcC3RQ3uiyKMmNNb1GfJzWmUHUKfaWFl/ 29TlfDgen/cfPTCOqGM5IeqzkBLJAgO0oNuQ5YkLqwYYwl5SLMU1QJI6DJv+HkKS sl6nHNESKoVJh3uJfoqLSeKh6hU= Received: by filter0526p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0526p1mdw1-27901-5937C3F7-32 2017-06-07 09:14:31.798736887 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id rLCKh7beTGaKETki-ZSN0g for ; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 09:14:31.616 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 02:14:31 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Limit RTO? (#556) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5937c3f77b933_359b3fc219ed7c3416979"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0Z3DX4baZtc9WxNMH7792SS8s32xLQ9AENQT 7CPtGzs26i5pe2lUfvtC7gpknofMKNtyuvjLLa2i+EgXpcASL271jgksSHkse62drnzm/JGaQGyDwF kZ8eXqqXnUCftR5Fi66ye571gUUHe0JcGhWfF6Tr+Uupm39wlPSx2OYwe+Y0N7dbCGITlv2HUwsBD2 s= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 09:14:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5937c3f77b933_359b3fc219ed7c3416979 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reopening based on discussion in Paris. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/556#issuecomment-306738345 ----==_mimepart_5937c3f77b933_359b3fc219ed7c3416979 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Reopening based on discussion in Paris.

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...well, there's not a PLUS working group, but a lot of thought about how to design mechanisms for this went into the preparation for the PLUS BoF...

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related to the "we don't want an endpoint to send version negotiation in response to random non-quic packets" (that look like long headers of an unknown version)

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related to the "we don't want an endpoint to send version negotiation = in response to random non-quic packets" (that look like long headers of a= n unknown version)

It can be difficult to decide what is a valid version - if version neg= otation is protected with CCID validation when received, it cannot do muc= h harm, also because initial packets are much larger.

However, if no protection is present, a version negotation packet trig= gered by adversary can force connection close by returning a version that= the true client is attempting to connect with.

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Quote from draft-03 section 7.1:

When the server receives a packet from a client with the long header for= mat, it compares the client=E2=80=99s version to the versions it supports.<= br> If the version selected by the client is not acceptable to the server, the = server discards the incoming packet and responds with a Version Negotiation= packet (Section 5.3). This includes a list of versions that the server wil= l accept.
A server sends a Version Negotiation packet for every packet that it receiv= es with an unacceptable version. This allows a server to process packets wi= th unsupported versions without retaining state. Though either the initial = client packet or the version negotiation packet that is sent in response co= uld be lost, the client will send new packets until it successfully receive= s a response.

Later text protects against false version negotiation packets, but there= is no reason for a server to respond with a version negotion packet for an= ything other than an initial packet, which is required to min PMTU sized. R= ather, the server ought to drop packets with wrong versions in this case.

Mentioned as a related topic here:
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It might also define in its mapping documents an explicit signal from the application protocol to the transport for graceful shutdown. After discussion, we agreed to consider an additional pattern, common across applications, that would allow an application protocol to gracefully close a transport without having to define an explicit signal. Two initial ideas (both with some issues) are closing all streams and forcing idle state by setting the stream maximum to 0. This issue is to track further discussion of possible patterns that might work for this. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/604 ----==_mimepart_5937e3eb88937_3493f7f12e11c2c87349 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Martin Thomson's presentation in Paris proposed a pattern in which the application layer protocol manages graceful shutdown by using timeouts. It might also define in its mapping documents an explicit signal from the application protocol to the transport for graceful shutdown.

After discussion, we agreed to consider an additional pattern, common across applications, that would allow an application protocol to gracefully close a transport without having to define an explicit signal. Two initial ideas (both with some issues) are closing all streams and forcing idle state by setting the stream maximum to 0.

This issue is to track further discussion of possible patterns that might work for this.

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Related: I cannot readily find any text that says how to handle packet= with an invalid version in its header, except where a server issues a ve= rsion negotation packet.

I suggest any packet received with an invalid version should be ignore= d, except for client initial packet. If not, an adversary could jam a con= nection with invalid packet versions.

Stateless retry packets do not state which version to list - I suggest= mirroring the client version - or require version negotiation to take pl= ace first.

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One or multiple showdown procedures can/should be described in the appli= cability document (based on one or multiple protocol mechanisms quic provid= es). Further we already discussed at the last meeting (in Chicago) that we = might want another document to describe an (abstract) application interface= .

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  The short header can be used after the version and 1-RTT keys are negotiated.
-This header form has the following fields:
-
-Header Form:
-
-: The most significant bit (0x80) of the first octet of a packet is the header
-  form.  This bit is set to 0 for the short header.
+The format of the long-form header is described in {{QUIC-CORE}}.

nit: short-form header

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draft-ietf-quic-transport-03, section 5.8:

The sender MUST use a packet number size able to represent more than
twice as large a range than the difference between the largest
acknowledged packet and packet number being sent. A peer receiving
the packet will then correctly decode the packet number, unless the
packet is delayed in transit such that it arrives after many higher-
numbered packets have been received. An endpoint MAY use a larger
packet number size to safeguard against such reordering.

I don't quite understand the second sentence here. If I understand the first sentence with the MUST, that forces the sender to increase the packet number least significant bit with additional byte(s) to fit the outstanding part of the sequence number space so that it doesn't wrap when having outstanding packets from the senders perspective. Thus, even the very old packet case should only force the sender to increase the size of the field while it is outstanding. There shouldn't be a uncertainty for the receiver. This as the higher bits added will match the receivers representation for the highest acked packet number without any outstanding packet prior to it.

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Discussed in Paris; we're going to add the frame-specific codes in addition to the generic one.

We'll remove ENHANCE_YOUR_CALM from this one.

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draft-ietf-transport-quic-03, section 7.6:

QUIC's consistent connection ID allows connections to survive changes
to the client's IP and/or port, such as those caused by client or
server migrating to a new network.

I don't understand how a sever network migration changes the client's IP address. Or is it intended to discuss forced changes to the IP/UDP 5-tuple to reach the server in general?

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Merged #581.

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The sender cannot control network properties. There might be some old packet already retransmitted packets suddenly resurfacing, albeit unlikely.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1213,7 +1213,7 @@ server MUST check that it would have sent a version negotiation packet if it had
 received a packet with the indicated initial_version.  If a server would have
 accepted the version included in the initial_version and the value differs from
 the value of negotiated_version, the server MUST terminate the connection with a
-QUIC_VERSION_NEGOTIATION_MISMATCH error.
+VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR error.

I am having some trouble understanding how to send this error #597 - but it might be resolved with updated PUBLIC_RESET to replace CONNECTION_CLOSE.

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In Paris, when discussing what error codes to include in the connection close, the idea of optionally specifying a packet number and a byte offset into the packet where the error occurred seems potentially useful for debugging.

This wouldn't allow automated error analysis(unless one saved every packet every sent), but for a given reproducible error, it could help dramatically.

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If the handshake fails, how do we signal that? We could send CONNECTION_CLOSE in the clear...

If version negotiation fails, how do we signal that? I don't think that we can, though we currently require that.

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While rather useful, I would suggest printing such information to a stri= ng without standardizing.

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Is #608 a more succinct description of this issue?

Note that CONNECTION_CLOSE isn't available to us right now, though we could easily permit it.

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Sending in clear would allow adversaries to close the connection if they can guess the tuple.

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Is #608 a more succinct description of this issue?

More succint, but does not capture pitfalls.

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----==_mimepart_5938008022047_37483fdda6d51c2c847a9-- From nobody Wed Jun 7 06:46:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79DAA12EC64 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 06:46:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MRYOoioiuZdJ for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 06:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F0A812EC62 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 06:46:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=V+xXf5ZKmnMzQtj4QInHtSyVqyY=; b=TezMQI9Pap38mh/X Wmog4DQjsfkMDKhyt5YqOPyCCmnxkwPJdIgS4TL5kSo+Gz0j+tjSK/QkyBbQHlPl KRhliuM7+cTcWxK8/aSGfVk0I6CmfoejFDm6ukmyk8fkU78Zitf0M5WmONfNjq5H wW5nWKbHjUX3cjOf2PVK0rBICvI= Received: by filter0847p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0847p1mdw1-18888-593803CD-E 2017-06-07 13:46:53.326683187 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id _J3FMYfGQVKg9Agg0-x2BA for ; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 13:46:53.524 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 06:46:53 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection abort during handshake (#597) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_593803cd68b17_755a3f83a30f3c30522d8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3Tq0WMN3pHgDUAaqfu32mUXaJLwHWvvLtJuP HtqjfxUbL+Mo2lMpFmrv2qHeTxLhaNh7wpJ/IZvSM9UAztyYBoOjGF6wf6VmZ9nav9jPTuRUFw2TG6 BMGwkS9vdURCR/QUHVF7sAOn7OlLsJ8E10s3Ogoejst9YniEMZz37eIOGiA1qvKHJ+u+ctLSpyVIsp I= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 13:46:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_593803cd68b17_755a3f83a30f3c30522d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that we need to maintain some degree of clarity about issues rather than try to burden them with every imaginable related problem. Can we try to reduce complexity rather than increase it? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/597#issuecomment-306799770 ----==_mimepart_593803cd68b17_755a3f83a30f3c30522d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think that we need to maintain some degree of clarity about issues rather than try to burden them with every imaginable related problem. Can we try to reduce complexity rather than increase it?

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I'm not clear why this is an improvement. We currently have:

A client MUST ignore a Version Negotiation packet that lists the client= =E2=80=99s chosen version.

If we define a packet which causes us to just bail, it becomes very easy= to disrupt handshakes by packet injection. Whereas ignoring the potential= ly-malicious packet and waiting for a timeout gives a chance to succeed.

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However, this +presents a coordination problem when there are multiple servers in a cluster or +a storage problem for a server that might lose state. Stateless reset +specifically exists to handle the case where state is lost, so this approach is +suboptimal. + +A single static key can be used across all connections to the same endpoint by +generating the proof using a second iteration of a preimage-resistant function +that takes three inputs: the static key, a the connection ID for the connection +(see {{connection-id}}), and an identifier for the server instance. A server +could use HMAC {{?RFC2104}} (for example, HMAC(static_key, server_id || +connection_id)) or HKDF {{?RFC5869}} (for example, using the static key as input +keying material, with server and connection identifiers as salt). The output of +this function is truncated to 16 octets to produce the Stateless Reset Token +for that connection. The connection ID change is a good point -- we would need a way to update the proof when getting a new connection ID. If the incoming packet doesn't include Connection ID, you're basically stuck -- if you want the ability to reset, you'll need to request Connection ID. The text talks about this two paragraphs later. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/574#discussion_r120636047 ----==_mimepart_59380996dee64_726e3fd759ce9c382994a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +In order to create a Stateless Reset Token, a server could randomly generate
+{{!RFC4086}} a secret for every connection that it creates.  However, this
+presents a coordination problem when there are multiple servers in a cluster or
+a storage problem for a server that might lose state.  Stateless reset
+specifically exists to handle the case where state is lost, so this approach is
+suboptimal.
+
+A single static key can be used across all connections to the same endpoint by
+generating the proof using a second iteration of a preimage-resistant function
+that takes three inputs: the static key, a the connection ID for the connection
+(see {{connection-id}}), and an identifier for the server instance.  A server
+could use HMAC {{?RFC2104}} (for example, HMAC(static_key, server_id ||
+connection_id)) or HKDF {{?RFC5869}} (for example, using the static key as input
+keying material, with server and connection identifiers as salt).  The output of
+this function is truncated to 16 octets to produce the Stateless Reset Token
+for that connection.

The connection ID change is a good point -- we would need a way to update the proof when getting a new connection ID.

If the incoming packet doesn't include Connection ID, you're basically stuck -- if you want the ability to reset, you'll need to request Connection ID. The text talks about this two paragraphs later.

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----==_mimepart_59380996dee64_726e3fd759ce9c382994a-- From nobody Wed Jun 7 07:13:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B21612EC64 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 07:13:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y2J4I5ipH7Tk for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 07:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext4.iad.github.net [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99B0C127735 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 07:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 07:13:18 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1496844799; bh=jou9/WlEceBCVAJBPUlbLmTrKjF+e4PtOp5HNrjyC9M=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Y3MPbL5TRXn3ZA0TFz7Ol+qoZgaEne5TiFcRHCH6VR10hqBRdR4A9BhJ+1EdOHqBi OuhY/m/0lVp+8OZyNLzw+AdGOu5MUsd0olims7bFSrYkHvDvs9eQA+z56QRANYcQiv HSVzTAxu9FEGAUJSsP7ic5IZMOWF1LHXcl6PduZU= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Transport: Client IP change reason (#606) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_593809fef07e3_21753fddbe8c9c3c886dd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 14:13:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_593809fef07e3_21753fddbe8c9c3c886dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We already have an open issue that is aimed at documenting the situations in which the connection ID helps, the limitations on that, and so forth (see #115). As I understand it, the limitation of the proposal is that an endpoint can change its source address (IP or port) and then send and still have the packet arrive at the right destination. However, after moving, an endpoint won't be able to receive anything until it sends something. This is what makes simultaneous migration hard/impossible (see #490). @gloinul, do you think that those two issues cover your concerns? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/606#issuecomment-306807599 ----==_mimepart_593809fef07e3_21753fddbe8c9c3c886dd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We already have an open issue that is aimed at documenting the situati= ons in which the connection ID helps, the limitations on that, and so for= th (see #115)= .

As I understand it, the limitation of the proposal is that an endpoint= can change its source address (IP or port) and then send and still have = the packet arrive at the right destination. However, after moving, an en= dpoint won't be able to receive anything until it sends something. This = is what makes simultaneous migration hard/impossible (see #490).

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1590,7 +1590,7 @@ frames. A receiver MAY send timestamps for non-retransmittable packets.
 A receiver MUST not send timestamps in unprotected packets.
 
 A sender MAY intentionally skip packet numbers to introduce entropy into the
-connection, to avoid opportunistic acknowledgement attacks.  The sender MUST
+connection, to avoid opportunistic acknowledgement attacks.  The sender SHOULD

But the retransmission queue may be sparse -- you don't necessarily know whether a packet no longer there was never sent or was simply already acknowledged.

SHOULD is supposed to have an explanation of why you might not. You SHOULD do this if you detect it, but you're not required to maintain enough state to detect it 100% of the time.

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With that said, I think we want a general defense against packet injectio= n
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This is a valid concern. Note that an adversary is able to interrupt = a connection in many ways prior to the establishment of a shared key. Fo= r example, a spurious Version Negotiation packet, a modified TLS handshak= e message, many things... Some of those are quite hard to detect.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1590,7 +1590,7 @@ frames. A receiver MAY send timestamps for non-retransmittable packets.
 A receiver MUST not send timestamps in unprotected packets.
 
 A sender MAY intentionally skip packet numbers to introduce entropy into the
-connection, to avoid opportunistic acknowledgement attacks.  The sender MUST
+connection, to avoid opportunistic acknowledgement attacks.  The sender SHOULD

@MikeBishop I think I agree but isn't

But the retransmission queue may be sparse -- you don't necessarily know whether a packet no longer there was never sent or was simply already acknowledged.

a good reason for SHOULD?

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There are many topics overlapping this by now - including #554

I believe all of these can be sufficiently mitigated by having a server = and client nonce in all packets. An attacker needs to guess the nonce which= is hard for 64-bit - combined with FNV-1a checksum it is probably very har= d to attack off-path.

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= ----==_mimepart_59380d4a3a219_1f283fa30f729c2c38995-- From nobody Wed Jun 7 07:31:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E39CF124D85 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 07:31:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=michbish=microsoft.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2dEAMq-tY3eI for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 07:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m69-170.mailgun.net (m69-170.mailgun.net [166.78.69.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7E9012EC78 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 07:30:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1496845856; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=bpoizQGjQz0yjVnb93vurIxZSjFl9F03bozGeTJEPM0=; b=wkiJYZVlGDaXXWbf/l4OS/hKWaQwyI/IQ9r9zqEumuuHgcS1kEsSxyfvfmStjKsBfuGrM9gT BHmTS/+8dTHeRLH8E1TvHKalAF7nxshRlH88+nXSiLO7hizPorEQ54gUt5iYVKsZs2SrbOH3 I1gb2lrEvj2cy7YWqaXS7g/lb3I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mTMIvPE4y5mdyUq1Ywe1IgdoPA4vexFD9rtMdv3nO/pygXGAM3JqDyAJVbmJhG0xE0gTu2 tsosbTVXia3QowbxcVcozUp7oLyYisBUWuHq1GHTaNoeQeEBgc43tWt/xbXFwa7FgCYuHlth geqjLx9NwaXYKaW3+ON4BfYtro9IU= Sender: michbish=microsoft.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.170 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.42]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 59380e1d.7f8834077d50-smtp-out-n02; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 14:30:53 -0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 07:30:52 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: Mike Bishop To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <59380e1cd1594_14d2d3f9dd3163c348455d@hookshot-fe-6dbb0c4.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 611722: Various version negotiation fixes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59380e1cd0c3c_14d2d3f9dd3163c348448e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 14:31:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59380e1cd0c3c_14d2d3f9dd3163c348448e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/request_rst Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 6117221d3335d8d35b07246992594009876eb7c3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6117221d3335d8d35b07246992594009876eb7c3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-27 (Thu, 27 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Various version negotiation fixes 1. Version negotiation is stateless (this was implied but not made explicit) 2. Client ignores version negotiation packets if it has already done version negotiation. 3. Client ignores version negotaition packets if they list the version it is using. Closes #284, #294, #241. Commit: 6bd8826c2a09264940e77db5fa20e27a496a4522 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6bd8826c2a09264940e77db5fa20e27a496a4522 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-28 (Fri, 28 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Don't require the client to reset excess streams In 0-RTT, the client might overrun the server's stream limit. Let the server work out what to do about that. Closes #425 Commit: 0cd5e806dd78446a7ace1a093cc333882514a37a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0cd5e806dd78446a7ace1a093cc333882514a37a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-28 (Fri, 28 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add STREAM_ID_NEEDED frame analogous to BLOCKED Commit: e82b2c9174c181d4093fdf6bc1d199f6311cda19 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e82b2c9174c181d4093fdf6bc1d199f6311cda19 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-28 (Fri, 28 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Move crypto to stream 0, HTTP control to stream 1 This doesn't fix BLOCKED, which remains a thorn in my side. That is next. Commit: 9e6c6d172dc0bb226d8ea54739de0dd32fd05c4c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9e6c6d172dc0bb226d8ea54739de0dd32fd05c4c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-28 (Fri, 28 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Small editorial fixes to stream identifiers Commit: c67b678b59dce1e873d588be82edb6604cfd68dc https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c67b678b59dce1e873d588be82edb6604cfd68dc Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-04-28 (Fri, 28 Apr 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update for crypto on stream 0 Commit: bdaea15f4d1067b69e318a71d913f95f32c1cfc3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bdaea15f4d1067b69e318a71d913f95f32c1cfc3 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2017-05-02 (Tue, 02 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #455 from quicwg/stream_id_needed STREAM_ID_NEEDED frame Commit: 3ccc9d82f47146229a92e89981bef87567c7e9c3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3ccc9d82f47146229a92e89981bef87567c7e9c3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Nitted Commit: 77e3214ee41b34f26a8bde3f7615bb2e1dfaf7ca https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/77e3214ee41b34f26a8bde3f7615bb2e1dfaf7ca Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #456 from quicwg/stream_zero Move crypto to stream 0, HTTP control to stream 1 Commit: 5562f0a24df1675b8089c6a6350c8716813b5a12 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5562f0a24df1675b8089c6a6350c8716813b5a12 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Define the payload size of the initial packet rather than the packet size The entity that creates the packet is not always aware of the existence of header extensions. That makes hitting the 1280 octet limit hard. Worse, if they are aware of extensions, they might reduce the size and then encouter a server that enforces the limit. That server will discard the packet. That makes enforcement risky. This change places the limit on the payload. It mandates 1232/1252 for v6/v4. This is the uncomplicated version. The complicated version that I didn't write up allows a client that knows more about overheads to reduce the payload size as long as they keep above some floor value (e.g., 1180). We might consider doing that later if we want to allow QUIC to operate on paths with a much tighter MTU overhead. Evidence suggests that we don't need this. Closes #267 Commit: 62d251486b4bb90f45c59d483f3f562cd8cc3486 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/62d251486b4bb90f45c59d483f3f562cd8cc3486 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Missed a number Commit: 060c71878fca8ce02b9ae1507eb896c099e2e27f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/060c71878fca8ce02b9ae1507eb896c099e2e27f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Add limits to TLS draft Commit: 80ea463166bd2dd63980e6cab57f7b50ac0c1ef9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/80ea463166bd2dd63980e6cab57f7b50ac0c1ef9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Take 2 Commit: 61102f03615365bc543404c559028e75643fbde2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/61102f03615365bc543404c559028e75643fbde2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Could have sworn that there was a UDP extension hack somewhere, probably thinking of ICMP Commit: 12d3f33635dd13d0299a2183965179180a04fd25 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/12d3f33635dd13d0299a2183965179180a04fd25 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- typo Commit: 9b4ac6def6bf0dcfae74b6f660a411baa935c449 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9b4ac6def6bf0dcfae74b6f660a411baa935c449 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Use 'IP packet' more consistently Commit: f659932dc3cdad9a2f6cbf1063e9f8d3e90ead38 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f659932dc3cdad9a2f6cbf1063e9f8d3e90ead38 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #484 from quicwg/stream_id_editorial0 Editorial changes for stream identifiers Commit: a28e803a40d1bebb54f5b21e085b10699925262a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a28e803a40d1bebb54f5b21e085b10699925262a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reword text on ignoring own version Commit: 2c399950b01e5ca12148a0117e3952a56b83e55b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2c399950b01e5ca12148a0117e3952a56b83e55b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Don't exempt stream 1 from congestion control Closes #248 Commit: 699e52813bbef330163886ca5c500b12be063c71 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/699e52813bbef330163886ca5c500b12be063c71 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reference MAX_DATA/MAX_STREAM_DATA to make it clearer Commit: f41f47da2f80c2fe7e8de9ab60622d01ab1a63b1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f41f47da2f80c2fe7e8de9ab60622d01ab1a63b1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- MAX_DATA/MAX_STREAM_DATA will also solicit an ACK Closes #385 Commit: f07d80707962585220532a8b8c4d6001f7b34bb7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f07d80707962585220532a8b8c4d6001f7b34bb7 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Tweak the once per RTT text Commit: ca81361f7ce643032def5dc78687630ff1aaa989 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ca81361f7ce643032def5dc78687630ff1aaa989 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #474 from quicwg/verneg_fixes Various version negotiation fixes Commit: b852dde2e7fe7e15bb2c977054844ff32aabe36e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b852dde2e7fe7e15bb2c977054844ff32aabe36e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #478 from quicwg/solicit_ack MAX_DATA/MAX_STREAM_DATA will also solicit an ACK Commit: cc6cae82a7c602186f8b2cc49d6934f82994fb67 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cc6cae82a7c602186f8b2cc49d6934f82994fb67 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Repairing missed nit Commit: 15333404c870fe99b68a1bc41ec0a68bcd1d5075 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/15333404c870fe99b68a1bc41ec0a68bcd1d5075 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #476 from quicwg/stream1_congestion Don't exempt stream 1 from congestion control Commit: a023b0fe8bd06778bee191afbc9d3abe660b3471 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a023b0fe8bd06778bee191afbc9d3abe660b3471 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Allow STREAM_BLOCKED on unopenable streams There's a problem I discovered here. We don't actually describe a transition from idle to half-closed or closed (see discussion about half-closing and unidirectional streams for more on this problem). The text mentions that RST_STREAM on an idle stream is permitted, but doesn't actually define any transitions. I have removed the allowance for RST_STREAM, but I believe that we need that transition. A new issue will be opened. Commit: b96329d37fea076c380b0685108febf0a1b47456 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b96329d37fea076c380b0685108febf0a1b47456 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- MAX_STREAM_DATA might arrive on an idle stream Closes #188 Commit: 62ddd8c223102945ceecb4e90480fed25cea1ff5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/62ddd8c223102945ceecb4e90480fed25cea1ff5 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #472 from quicwg/first_packet_payload_size Define the payload size of the initial packet rather than the total packet size Commit: 2ac35bfade43644c90a30b5554fe3a946b4b85e0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2ac35bfade43644c90a30b5554fe3a946b4b85e0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #483 from quicwg/max_stream_data_idle MAX_STREAM_DATA is valid in the "idle" state Commit: ae0ec73da6c0a259a4023f5c23c9448ea9b7af49 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ae0ec73da6c0a259a4023f5c23c9448ea9b7af49 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #479 from quicwg/dont_reset_excess_0rtt_streams Don't require the client to reset excess streams Commit: 97f04a5439ac8d11d40cfeea2fce08c5405a9ec4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/97f04a5439ac8d11d40cfeea2fce08c5405a9ec4 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame This frame is used by servers to support client unlinkability across network migrations. This assumes that the client is aware of the need for unlinkability. I haven't gone into a lot of detail on rationale, why this might be needed and the like. That stuff does need expansion, but we don't have a lot of agreement on the finer details. For the moment having the basic mechanism in place will allow us to make progress. Commit: d1b3125a81400a17bb30c8e15057c9e4742912b6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d1b3125a81400a17bb30c8e15057c9e4742912b6 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Be more assertive about use Commit: 9001752946e6dfd1f65e014fd6b37e7880bd1a18 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9001752946e6dfd1f65e014fd6b37e7880bd1a18 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #491 from quicwg/new_conn_id Add a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame Commit: ca0bbb71773c0f6213dce05bb839851a2061b867 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ca0bbb71773c0f6213dce05bb839851a2061b867 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reword initial packet number Closes #492. Commit: f8671083a31d568316a6243b314d70c0153970af https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f8671083a31d568316a6243b314d70c0153970af Author: Benjamin M. Schwartz Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Clarify flexibility of the server port number in Alt-Svc (#424) Commit: 5edec0bbdc72c4d5210af36ca3bac1f22d0a5654 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5edec0bbdc72c4d5210af36ca3bac1f22d0a5654 Author: EKR Date: 2017-05-03 (Wed, 03 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove the explicit packet number gap in favor of one computed based on a shared secret. Commit: da193d4a97017e8c7fd28f3d455658eec737dcd0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/da193d4a97017e8c7fd28f3d455658eec737dcd0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-04 (Thu, 04 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #494 from quicwg/initial_pn Reword initial packet number Commit: b74e64b459f073a37fc7a0f4ab4d0d0f41b724c7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b74e64b459f073a37fc7a0f4ab4d0d0f41b724c7 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-04 (Thu, 04 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix table alignment Commit: c3490ef1656676edc3629efe6ab23aa531378d78 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c3490ef1656676edc3629efe6ab23aa531378d78 Author: Lucas Pardue Date: 2017-05-04 (Thu, 04 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- MAX_DATA frame minor typo Align with the language use in MAX_STREAM_DATA Commit: 5e729e8cb0430275f097e560906d2f81a2ff8f5e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5e729e8cb0430275f097e560906d2f81a2ff8f5e Author: Lucas Pardue Date: 2017-05-04 (Thu, 04 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Stream Idle state minor typo fix Commit: 695f806be9daf0344aa8560263880b5282c76be9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/695f806be9daf0344aa8560263880b5282c76be9 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2017-05-04 (Thu, 04 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Commit: b88b1510c0b2eefc203109e5c0fd07d2ac72cdec https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b88b1510c0b2eefc203109e5c0fd07d2ac72cdec Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-05 (Fri, 05 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #503 from LPardue/patch-2 MAX_DATA frame minor typo Commit: 0c6c15aed10239820e6e847d4e29d608f6a429a9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0c6c15aed10239820e6e847d4e29d608f6a429a9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-08 (Mon, 08 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Only allow BLOCKED once per limit Getting this right is tricky because the frame can be "retransmitted" in the event of loss, but I don't want to use the word "retransmitted". This would be a lot easier if we did #452. Closes #198. Commit: 8f4206ca5deb048dbd49cde901244d5bdec4dd8d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8f4206ca5deb048dbd49cde901244d5bdec4dd8d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-08 (Mon, 08 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #496 from ekr/new_conn_id Remove the explicit packet number gap in favor of one computed Commit: 6de5e8cda18bb448e880a5d48b3772ae07a671de https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6de5e8cda18bb448e880a5d48b3772ae07a671de Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-09 (Tue, 09 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Force the server and client to remember transport parameters for 0-RTT This includes Victor's recommendation to avoid the client violating server constraints on operation. This means that the server that accepts 0-RTT is required to provide new transport parameters that are compatible with its previously advertised value, or reject 0-RTT. I made this easier on servers, by allowing them to advertise different transport parameters that only apply to 0-RTT. They include these values in the TLS NewSessionTicket message, alongside the ticket that is used to resume. Commit: 03f08f6a0d39ef5cebeb65c62df35ae9a2e2fb36 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/03f08f6a0d39ef5cebeb65c62df35ae9a2e2fb36 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-09 (Tue, 09 May 2017) Changed paths: M Makefile Log Message: ----------- Update figure detection for ``` delimiters Commit: 381d219f3e3c5f893c6151291747cd8698cd1627 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/381d219f3e3c5f893c6151291747cd8698cd1627 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Version 1 uses TLS Closes #45. Commit: ba518850a0ac8ad821051ead735a100450055433 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ba518850a0ac8ad821051ead735a100450055433 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Switch to 64-bit FNV-1a This should simplify implementation further. Closes #481. Commit: be197b6477363914433c444c778db6b8d7e3231d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/be197b6477363914433c444c778db6b8d7e3231d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Address validation is stateless reject We already have enough text on how to tell a client to go away and come back. But we don't really say how a server might do that statelessly. Add a small bit of text on that and we're done. Closes #60 Commit: 98683738eb3cddd7eb0d3713127dfa62d7dc8f4b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/98683738eb3cddd7eb0d3713127dfa62d7dc8f4b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Expand description Commit: 4d2e62cdd2ac132a16a3451c8d71db145f39a753 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4d2e62cdd2ac132a16a3451c8d71db145f39a753 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Rework cleartext packet descriptions This defines a new packet type for the initial client cleartext packet, and stateless rejects. The remaining packets that carry cleartext messages remain the same. The final packet from the server is removed; instead the server cleartext packet carries the server-selected connection ID. The server can propose a new connection ID in any of its cleartext packets, including the version negotiation packet. This will need to roll up changes from stateless rejects. I'll merge that branch after this commit. Things that I might do differently: require the client to send an initial packet after version negotiation on the basis that version negotiation is a complete do-over. Maybe also after a stateless reject, which would mean that all packets containing the ClientHello would use that "initial" type. That would mean that only the initial type would have packet size restrictions, which is nice. Those alternatives give the server more options for changing connection ID as well, but it also removes the ability for a server-side load balancer to easily distinguish between connection IDs that the client proposes and those that the server has provided. Not sure which way that goes, I've opted to keep the signal in place until we've had some more discussion. Commit: 9ba0fcc0a2251c7a923a6943a348e79db2a23fb0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9ba0fcc0a2251c7a923a6943a348e79db2a23fb0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Expand on HelloRetryRequest rules Commit: e0473bb3e7a17ed228dd66ee620fe2494884f3cf https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e0473bb3e7a17ed228dd66ee620fe2494884f3cf Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Tidy up grammar Commit: ba82028683b070be98b6981a23a04a16d5b3f2c8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ba82028683b070be98b6981a23a04a16d5b3f2c8 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Jana's review comments Commit: f393f4ea86b0ef38afe280957f1e0a97f1b4291b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f393f4ea86b0ef38afe280957f1e0a97f1b4291b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reset more completely for stateless retry and version negotiation This is based on the discussion between editors and thus far on the list. The idea here is, in summary: * Client Initial packets are always a complete reset, always contain a ClientHello, are always padded to the minimum size, and include a randomized packet number (except for retransmissions). STREAM frames in these packets always start at an offset of 0, even if the cryptographic handshake is continued. There can only be one of these packets. The server can propose a new connection ID in response to one of these packets (giving the server up to three re-routing options). * Server Stateless Retry packets cause the client to start over, retaining only cryptographic handshake state. There can only be one of these packets in a flight. This includes a server-proposed connection ID and an echo of the client packet number. This is because the server can't be expected to remember what it chose when it sends subsequent packets. * Version Negotiation packets also cause a reset. This has the same rules for connection ID and packet number as the Server Stateless Retry. * Client Cleartext and Server Cleartext contain the other handshake messages. These aren't really special in any way. Commit: 947522e1d31823ebcfe8c04baee9d1d8a5aeac45 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/947522e1d31823ebcfe8c04baee9d1d8a5aeac45 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- MUST MUST MUST Commit: 0d40738b6427b747e6c6170ab5d3ffb0635719a1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0d40738b6427b747e6c6170ab5d3ffb0635719a1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-10 (Wed, 10 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Describe stateless retry in terms of a transport reset This requires that we describe the exceptions to the process. Minimally, this is the state necessary to ensure the integrity of the handshake. That is, the cryptographic handshake state continues and the client has to remember what happened during version negotiation. We can also point out that keeping an RTT estimate is worthwhile, as is any congestion signals, though these might be low value. 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Commit: bcc96fefdb464455d9af2539788ae95ebe9302b0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bcc96fefdb464455d9af2539788ae95ebe9302b0 Author: ianswett Date: 2017-05-24 (Wed, 24 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Declare time_of_last_sent_packet (#552) Commit: d30301b6506dddbf28c1f6ce35144fd968fd8604 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d30301b6506dddbf28c1f6ce35144fd968fd8604 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-24 (Wed, 24 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- The change in #415 was already in the transport doc (#555) Revert "Add skipped packets detection to the OnAckReceived pseudocode (#415)" This reverts commit a02b53911d4bcd0fa84ee1b99e3735ded93cacbe. Commit: 2535c8853e364abb812eab0312c20527ce587b33 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2535c8853e364abb812eab0312c20527ce587b33 Author: Patrick McManus Date: 2017-05-26 (Fri, 26 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- issue 558 Commit: c45926894a030ecaeb12bec04ec2ae3875bd44a9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c45926894a030ecaeb12bec04ec2ae3875bd44a9 Author: Sebastiaan Deckers Date: 2017-05-30 (Tue, 30 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Typo Commit: 075123007b6ec75e6b746ecc6469a1736c200690 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/075123007b6ec75e6b746ecc6469a1736c200690 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-01 (Thu, 01 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #561 from sebdeckers/patch-1 Typo Commit: 8949a507370f5128bc57777b46226aa9fc9ad155 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8949a507370f5128bc57777b46226aa9fc9ad155 Author: seanturner Date: 2017-06-06 (Tue, 06 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Registering EXPORTER-QUIC Packet Number Secret Commit: 6f05f9be0bd83434cd5a319ed207faab7ab3a69a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6f05f9be0bd83434cd5a319ed207faab7ab3a69a Author: seanturner Date: 2017-06-06 (Tue, 06 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- fixing internal reference Commit: 69823672256257bf124459c48d4db3d0a23623e2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/69823672256257bf124459c48d4db3d0a23623e2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-06 (Tue, 06 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #583 from quicwg/EXPORTER-QUIC_Packet_Number_Secret Registering EXPORTER-QUIC_Packet_Number_Secret Commit: a580e1ffdb3d02be9a8e2f7e6589fda79d5f0a0a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a580e1ffdb3d02be9a8e2f7e6589fda79d5f0a0a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-06 (Tue, 06 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix mcmanus' text Commit: 252b9e5a3abd41d9e1a799cd7ad340892fe673f1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/252b9e5a3abd41d9e1a799cd7ad340892fe673f1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-06 (Tue, 06 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'mcmanus_558' Commit: 56e55db3025a01186018a61bbc9ec73c4a6314f6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/56e55db3025a01186018a61bbc9ec73c4a6314f6 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-06 (Tue, 06 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Move connection ID change to only Server Cleartext Commit: 90b5b6eb1b1e142d054d449a7f8ba9b545432f04 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/90b5b6eb1b1e142d054d449a7f8ba9b545432f04 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-06 (Tue, 06 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix nits Commit: b8c42b41d76034373e65cbaa44ac75346de6af13 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b8c42b41d76034373e65cbaa44ac75346de6af13 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-06 (Tue, 06 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Client doesn't use SCID for 0-RTT. Commit: 22bd53f27dcc10007b1ee28ff1aeed65e936660b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/22bd53f27dcc10007b1ee28ff1aeed65e936660b Author: janaiyengar Date: 2017-06-06 (Tue, 06 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #589 from quicwg/scid Move connection ID change to only Server Cleartext Commit: 574039307697333cb8d86d7d4b62cc47a5eb9149 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/574039307697333cb8d86d7d4b62cc47a5eb9149 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-06-07 (Wed, 07 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Martin's feedback Commit: 299e72d53afeb03d34d4b29e7ce1f79f1a6067de https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/299e72d53afeb03d34d4b29e7ce1f79f1a6067de Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-06-07 (Wed, 07 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M Makefile M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into request_rst Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/3ac855012455...299e72d53afe ----==_mimepart_59380e1cd0c3c_14d2d3f9dd3163c348448e-- From nobody Wed Jun 7 07:31:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE6412EC7F for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 07:31:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.181 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.181 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4h9wk2jfBo-4 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 07:31:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext5.iad.github.net [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD4EA12EC7C for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 07:30:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 07:30:59 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1496845859; bh=6kQpvIztCPnN37Xx/sCAEbe6P3Z6gLTusDwTqkU6NsY=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=aB18xyV8PCty/Q7Y/a/3ZWTkkThtkEO33Kr69BzMyNYG8Wise7BhuIVyni0Wg5ZUo Lu8HoTd+az8yrpQUUXX29ovpr9+IedL4ZgG6Wh46YQkjUAyLGEeG86zXTJ9/jMcrwi Z/X0/hbOaQpaL/OQbI7LGtIkM1YvlCPto214jGYo= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Push Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Independent states and DISINTEREST (#171) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59380e2346f30_2461f3f8f00857c34812"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: push X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 14:31:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59380e2346f30_2461f3f8f00857c34812 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @MikeBishop pushed 2 commits. 5740393 Martin's feedback 299e72d Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into request_rst -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I've added a new token to NEW_CONNECTION_ID. I still have an open action to make this symmetric.

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I've added a new token to NEW_CONNECTION_ID. I still have an open action to make this symmetric.

Shouldn't it also be placed in initial handshake?

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If this is indeed a problem, then it is a generic IP problem. We need to constrain what it is that we want to solve. I'm going to risk the wrath of our chairs and close this as out of scope.

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Adding text to the transport spec to describe the "latency spin bit".

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  • Merge pull request #1 from quicwg/master
  • Adding description of the latency spin bit

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I like this approach, but would like to dig into how it breaks in corn= er cases.

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I also like this approach, and I think the one key corner case (out-of= -order packet arrival) can be handled by description of how to smooth the= base RTT signal. That would allow out of color packets to be seen as ou= t-of-order indications rather than screwing up the RTT calculation.

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= ----==_mimepart_59390089c48bc_13843f98c9da5c2c88781-- From nobody Thu Jun 8 00:52:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A721129C13 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 00:52:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.403 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.403 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D4wiHvPgGcEH for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 00:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4FDF129BB7 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 00:49:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=K9yUWR7jjf5OBSh6jY/6iQE/5tc=; b=IOFxJwwRmXtGwTdo 5GS3j3nT78Qa+Bpqsr/98XIHgbV7h16i5rKPfGbhhc5/N7vkj9g5yZcj7QkIx3zp VTiNquAlkxIgxhIpPj1zE3YJfmXaN1exxtcclNZOHdjE35fG3zsuwH5/LzKX+9+y QFK7bPz2LZ5M3V0RjI4pK4DXmAM= Received: by filter0970p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0970p1mdw1-15289-59390194-60 2017-06-08 07:49:40.845217835 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 1w1OSaXxQFqla3d58r19XQ for ; Thu, 08 Jun 2017 07:49:40.820 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 00:49:40 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Latency Spin Bit (#609) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59390194a96df_7493fa531b79c2c104228"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak20U78qnXIeqkFK+fXPw34L6R2ozKyUpcfvxW 5F9uH+6NBW8BQSNLtFIqJAvO8pGIKke8ulaKsnfmQeEuu4uTxcil6aPS9xd2y2Wo6gcJDJP0zERU5L CjAug819UuBX/itH8QqGT502VVBvmFJmsN04GJWEB3NIUjmR/+stvu+cHj8QsqOYP38g4/JQZZ7CP9 4= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 07:52:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59390194a96df_7493fa531b79c2c104228 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. Is this a per-path signal? I think that it is and that we need more text about that. > @@ -198,6 +198,8 @@ strengths of QUIC include: * Version negotiation +* Support for monitoring I would rather that we not include this section. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/609#pullrequestreview-42813843 ----==_mimepart_59390194a96df_7493fa531b79c2c104228 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Is this a per-path signal? I think that it is and that we need more text about that.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -198,6 +198,8 @@ strengths of QUIC include:
 
 * Version negotiation
 
+* Support for monitoring

I would rather that we not include this section.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -198,6 +198,8 @@ strengths of QUIC include:
 
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+* Support for monitoring

in any case "support for monitoring" is much broader than what this is.

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Instead of using a 'whole' bit, you can also have another packet type for protected packets. And if you define a well know patter that is used, you can even measure loss with it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -198,6 +198,8 @@ strengths of QUIC include:
 
 * Version negotiation
 
+* Support for monitoring

If you completely remove the question, then the bit description just appears out of nowhere. But then, yes, we could be specific about latency monitoring, rather than monitoring in general.

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Or just have the flag on short packets...

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draft-ietf-quic-transport-03, Section 8.1 says:

Stream multiplexing is achieved by interleaving STREAM frames from
multiple streams into one or more QUIC packets. A single QUIC packet
MAY bundle STREAM frames from multiple streams.

The inclusion of multiple stream frames for the same frame is not clear in the above. Is it allowed or not?

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In reviewing the transport-03 protocol I was wondering if there is actual hard upper limit in QUIC packets that can they never can become larger than 64K? So for IPv4 and normal IPv6 that is the limit for IP/UDP/QUIC. If one would have IPv6 Jumbograms (RFC 2675) could you actually make use of them with QUIC?

So Stream Frame has a 64 K payload limit, but one can include multiple Stream Frames, different streams or depending on answer to #610 maybe the same stream.

Thus the question is if the documents are either explicitly saying that the upper limit to a QUIC packet is 64K, not mention this at all, or be explicit that there are no actual upper limit. This is for cases where one have an MTU that is this large and thus not trip over the conclusion of #383 and would not have the signaling limit the packet size as discussed in #501

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport-03, Section 8.2:

ACK Delay: The time from when the largest acknowledged packet, as
indicated in the Largest Acknowledged field, was received by this
peer to when this ACK was sent.

This do not define the format of the ACK delay time.

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I get Martin's point about per path signal, which it indeed is. But th= en, we don't really have an end-to-end vs path distinction yet. In the cu= rrent transport draft, there seems to be just one path at a time. I think= the distinction will only become apparent when we start specifying QUIC = multipath.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport-03, Section 8.2.1:

0                   1                   2                   3
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
| First ACK Block Length (8/16/32/48) ...
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
| [Gap 1 (8)] | [ACK Block 1 Length (8/16/32/48)] ...
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
| [Gap 2 (8)] | [ACK Block 2 Length (8/16/32/48)] ...
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
...
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
| [Gap N (8)] | [ACK Block N Length (8/16/32/48)] ...
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

Gap To Next Block (opt, repeated): An unsigned number specifying the
number of contiguous missing packets from the end of the previous
ACK block to the start of the next. Repeated "Num Blocks" times.

So, to my understanding the gap counter is fixed to 8 bits, and thus have a maximum GAP distance of 255. Considering that packet numbers are not required to be a continuous number, nor have a limit that the largest gap is less than 255, I wonder how one handles situations where the GAP between received packet numbers are larger than 255? Do one use multiple ACK frames, where each acking the sub-set of packet numbers that are separeted by GAPs larger than 255?

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There's no discussion of what to do when marked packets are lost. I think there needs to be to ensure the signal doesn't die during the connection. > @@ -294,6 +296,15 @@ QUIC version negotiation allows for multiple versions of the protocol to be deployed and used concurrently. Version negotiation is described in {{version-negotiation}}. +## Support for Latency Monitoring + +Network administrators often find difficult to monitor the behavior nit: how about "Network administrators have difficulty monitoring ..."? > @@ -294,6 +296,15 @@ QUIC version negotiation allows for multiple versions of the protocol to be deployed and used concurrently. Version negotiation is described in {{version-negotiation}}. +## Support for Latency Monitoring + +Network administrators often find difficult to monitor the behavior +of encrypted protocols. Bandwidth can be monitored by observing the +flow of encrypted packets, but the usal tools for monitoring usal/usual > @@ -294,6 +296,15 @@ QUIC version negotiation allows for multiple versions of the protocol to be deployed and used concurrently. Version negotiation is described in {{version-negotiation}}. +## Support for Latency Monitoring + +Network administrators often find difficult to monitor the behavior +of encrypted protocols. Bandwidth can be monitored by observing the +flow of encrypted packets, but the usal tools for monitoring +latency require observing packet numbers and acknowledgements, which +in QUIC are encrypted. +QUIC packets include a clear text latency spin bit that enables nit: "QUIC packets enable monitoring of latency by including a clear text latency spin bit that is reflected between peers." > @@ -827,6 +848,24 @@ Implementations MUST assume that an unsupported version uses an unknown packet format. All other fields MUST be ignored when processing a packet that contains an unsupported version. +## Latency Spin Bit + +The latency spin bit enables latency monitoring from observation points on +the network path. This bit is set as follow: + +* The connection responder sets the spin bit value to the value of the + spin bit in the last packet received from the connection initiator. What if two packets were received and the first had the spin bit set and the second did not? I would think the spin bit would still be set by the responder in that case? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/609#pullrequestreview-42825003 ----==_mimepart_59391048baa71_5a3a3fd9cab6bc30447be Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett commented on this pull request.

There's no discussion of what to do when marked packets are lost. I think there needs to be to ensure the signal doesn't die during the connection.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -294,6 +296,15 @@ QUIC version negotiation allows for multiple versions of the protocol to be
 deployed and used concurrently. Version negotiation is described in
 {{version-negotiation}}.
 
+## Support for Latency Monitoring
+
+Network administrators often find difficult to monitor the behavior

nit: how about "Network administrators have difficulty monitoring ..."?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -294,6 +296,15 @@ QUIC version negotiation allows for multiple versions of the protocol to be
 deployed and used concurrently. Version negotiation is described in
 {{version-negotiation}}.
 
+## Support for Latency Monitoring
+
+Network administrators often find difficult to monitor the behavior
+of encrypted protocols. Bandwidth can be monitored by observing the
+flow of encrypted packets, but the usal tools for monitoring

usal/usual

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -294,6 +296,15 @@ QUIC version negotiation allows for multiple versions of the protocol to be
 deployed and used concurrently. Version negotiation is described in
 {{version-negotiation}}.
 
+## Support for Latency Monitoring
+
+Network administrators often find difficult to monitor the behavior
+of encrypted protocols. Bandwidth can be monitored by observing the
+flow of encrypted packets, but the usal tools for monitoring
+latency require observing packet numbers and acknowledgements, which
+in QUIC are encrypted.
+QUIC packets include a clear text latency spin bit that enables

nit: "QUIC packets enable monitoring of latency by including a clear text latency spin bit that is reflected between peers."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -827,6 +848,24 @@ Implementations MUST assume that an unsupported version uses an unknown packet
 format. All other fields MUST be ignored when processing a packet that contains
 an unsupported version.
 
+## Latency Spin Bit
+
+The latency spin bit enables latency monitoring from observation points on
+the network path. This bit is set as follow:
+
+* The connection responder sets the spin bit value to the value of the
+  spin bit in the last packet received from the connection initiator.

What if two packets were received and the first had the spin bit set and the second did not? I would think the spin bit would still be set by the responder in that case?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport-03, Section 9:

All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the estimated PMTU to
avoid IP fragmentation or packet drops. To optimize bandwidth
efficiency, endpoints SHOULD use Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery
([RFC4821]) and MAY use PMTU Discovery ([RFC1191], [RFC1981]) for
detecting the PMTU, setting the PMTU appropriately, and storing the
result of previous PMTU determinations.

There are details in the method described in RFC 4821 that needs to have explicit description of how the method is applied in QUIC. This includes, format of probing packets, loss response, additional challenge of ICMP feedback.

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You don't need a new frame. You can just set the length to 0 if you need to encode a gap larger than 255.

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----==_mimepart_593910901ecc9_79ff3fcd67591c341054d-- From nobody Thu Jun 8 01:55:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45931129C59 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 01:55:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.254 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.254 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AcmExWNh0hbE for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 01:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97121129BA3 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 01:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 01:55:14 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1496912114; bh=IahG1mbEEGgDPxB+c7qGn7TQ4HXLOKqPNh4sdfqzHcQ=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=KHyN/BPwhR2eBXFIUcUsKuI7ReVutuFsohRaFbz8barBMMwwPwjvQiLn60yKRCiXV qRWaou86YFQfBKnNYdVj9J0kaaC83Cqc2kfo170WG1ci9hOYjsrhncPPiWf5DdWUyj +lwwhy0HfSWS6zsgDDeKZ+vKsM3+fqRrh7rH/lxw= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Transport: GAP limitation in ACK Frame (#613) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_593910f2ec49d_649b3fd986297c38511d6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 08:55:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_593910f2ec49d_649b3fd986297c38511d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marten is correct, and at some point, as Patrick said, a new ACK frame is necessary. I could add text to clarify this? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/613#issuecomment-307042207 ----==_mimepart_593910f2ec49d_649b3fd986297c38511d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Marten is correct, and at some point, as Patrick said, a new ACK frame is necessary.

I could add text to clarify this?

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So this needs clarification in the text on how you handle the case I brought up. I also see a relation to this issue #423. So please add text on this.

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Section 8.2.2.1 Mentions that the ACK frame uses a specific 16-bit format.

The actual format is being discussed here: #109

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Several existing sub-issues around what is version-independent. I'm proposing that the cross-version envelope of QUIC should be a separate final RFC, and therefore a separate document now. If we landed that split, it would resolve several other questions about what, specifically, is supposed to be cross-version.

I would argue that version negotiation and everything that's visible outside the encryption envelope belongs in this separate draft. It's the piece that will ossify, and that we're willing to have ossified. Everything that's version-dependent belongs in the specific version, which is the Transport draft.

However, I'll note that the current split means that packet protection and framing live inside the version. That means there's a lot that will need to be re-stated in a new version -- are we okay with that?

See PR #600.

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I'm not sure that I understand. Doesn't the final sentence answer your question?

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----==_mimepart_59394860e558c_5dd73fc1cf07bc341608a-- From nobody Thu Jun 8 05:53:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F58B12E044 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 05:53:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.397 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.397 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dd-63Av1DEeN for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 05:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 348AC12EAB5 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 05:53:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=XPjGJsvX+8zu0stiAKzNDITq/70=; b=cjPsMj+JqTtCoTgs fT3leED7LwjErI96sszhgntJPcHszJaRSAE+VngPunQY3YWiexnbPTm8T/cwEZFS jsgVisOOuBc5n+Rizqz6Wy98Ro6t+HjnhUULuZCD22HL/p1Hj5Fx0WJnSXLbj24W 5M9fnk+2Lz3+XjaEwcbMPuqXXq8= Received: by filter0483p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0483p1mdw1-13362-593948AE-A 2017-06-08 12:53:02.317071858 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 068F16lhRIaWqM2jGsvdiw for ; Thu, 08 Jun 2017 12:53:02.300 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 05:53:02 -0700 From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Latency Spin Bit (#609) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_593948ae2c262_25a33fb458acbc2c72445"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak34FvYbnXAN5cgFT+YMdtgtUOjxh+zSjz7ATy j68xEELcUpV1T3eQ65SmgVp1+EA5/Z+2LH6zLbVfwJcEWT+jcHFNheCkQCvDxLCJJHhR7q1wnokTMz 54sz5GnzKAGzWeOdJUYWgUepIMkqMjh19wf5NyY3pEphUL/bP7AR5LwdJ8RQ9/k1pKr9UDKWGDsrle 8= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 12:53:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_593948ae2c262_25a33fb458acbc2c72445 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mirja, I hesitated between the "packet type" design and the "spin bit". I like having Red/Blue packet types, but I am concerned with the interaction with issue 311, "GREASE the packet type octet". If we do grease the packet type, we will need to leave the spin bit in clear text. This is much easier to do with a reserved bit than with the packet type. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/609#issuecomment-307093952 ----==_mimepart_593948ae2c262_25a33fb458acbc2c72445 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mirja, I hesitated between the "packet type" design and the "spin bit". = I like having Red/Blue packet types, but I am concerned with the interactio= n with issue 311, "GREASE the packet type octet". If we do grease the packe= t type, we will need to leave the spin bit in clear text. This is much easi= er to do with a reserved bit than with the packet type.

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The maximum packet size PR, #501, should answer this question: that PR places a hard upper bou= nd on the packet size of 65535. Note that there is an advantage in having = a lower limit, in that larger blocks have some negative latency effects, ev= en if you can send and receive them. Yes, that makes it impossible to send= mega-uber-jumbo packets. If you can make a case for those packets, you sh= ould make that case.

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Yes, there is dependency on greasing. We could also just grease the long= header because the short header has a bunch of flags that can anyway chang= e all the time. I even thought about having only flags with the short heade= r (and no type anymore) because that's nearly what we have already and that= makes sense to me (and also looks slightly clearer to me) because all cont= rol packets are long headers. For me the point of the short header is basi= cally a packet where you want to save some of the header bits and use it fo= r payload instead and the flags simply define which part of the header bits= you omit.

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Oh, now I understand. Well, that's suboptimal, but permissible. (You= said "multiple stream frames for the same frame", where you meant same s= tream.) Do you think that removing "from multiple streams" would clarify= this point?

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Yes, that PR puts that limit in effect. I currently don't have any reason for argue for jumbo IPv6 packet support at the point. The question is if this limit should be made somewhere else also?

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Yes, this is a duplicate of #109, which we have consensus on regarding a decision, but no text yet.

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I would rather be explicit and say; "A single QUIC packet MAY bundle multiple STREAM frames from one or more stream IDs."

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1534,8 +1534,8 @@ the FIN flag is sent on an empty STREAM frame, the offset in the STREAM frame
 MUST be one greater than the last data byte sent on this stream.
 
 Stream multiplexing is achieved by interleaving STREAM frames from multiple
-streams into one or more QUIC packets.  A single QUIC packet MAY bundle STREAM
-frames from multiple streams.
+streams into one or more QUIC packets.  A single QUIC packet can include
+multiple STREAM frames from one or more stream IDs.

s/stream IDs/streams.

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----==_mimepart_5939511a306eb_3c43fd008d95c342713d-- From nobody Thu Jun 8 07:33:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38CD5127058 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 07:33:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.397 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.397 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id khqo463qQ60R for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 07:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A67CF1287A0 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 07:33:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=QNxwcDi3PVc7VhdBnlK5OTn44Qw=; b=VC0TCivi8nBT3Um8 aVjLcS9qtQMsqPRwutYKf9chFX4VZNwk2Qf4iwoFodsJ606viTctBvlsJKlA1X8w WTgH9MLQpCu8cnY7O8TqYqPFBI0x3jQ4PRPMuVDB7BXUsUuiLbj83CGegLROmogU o1QrTVtaxnPZItsvTeMgHJD84ZE= Received: by filter0819p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0819p1mdw1-27998-59396031-1 2017-06-08 14:33:21.022593014 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id dUEX0QNfRoSH_wrCXolJMg for ; Thu, 08 Jun 2017 14:33:20.710 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 07:33:19 -0700 From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Transport: Can QUIC packets become larger than 64K? (#611) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5939602f57587_16d933fcb43575c30239f6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1yTP08sqhrPdUBd9NhpWyH2rHnHAiolNn60W z106hBrpxf3aIVSuJdTK8HtkNctmnSpQmDa9I6URsmoMbQIewoM2J4jPnRESsaHzGUWGTfDVNgTvqr +tUtE4/bna/0K354NURGdzqhU7PFMxjhOZowOO0zQkKj9WUMW9sqqRmwpqQLMOti5sGwBIfmcwvEEv k= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 14:33:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5939602f57587_16d933fcb43575c30239f6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The one use case I can see for very large packets is SAN networks like iSCSI where the packet loss and latency is low and data volumes high. Here you might as well use TCP/IP, except that QUIC offers built-in encryption and authentication that might be useful against compromised networks. In general large packets works against the idea of stream multiplexing. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/611#issuecomment-307122123 ----==_mimepart_5939602f57587_16d933fcb43575c30239f6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The one use case I can see for very large packets is SAN networks like i= SCSI where the packet loss and latency is low and data volumes high. Here y= ou might as well use TCP/IP, except that QUIC offers built-in encryption an= d authentication that might be useful against compromised networks.

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To me it seems that sending PUSH_PROMISE as part of the parent stream is problematic regardless of whether or not headers and body are sent as separate streams. Consider the case where a server is sending multiple responses that all refer to a single resource. This could happen for example when a client requests two HTML files to be shown in different iframes, and when the two HTML files refer to the same CSS file. In such case, you would need to refer to the pushed stream from both the responses. However, current design only allows you to create a dependency to a pushed response from _one_ response. Therefore, we have a race condition if the client receives the responses of the two pulled streams in a different order than the server sends. To this end, I think that we should send PUSH_PROMISE using a different stream (possibly the stream that will convey the response headers), and within the parent stream only _refer_ to that stream, instead of trying to convey the request headers of the pushed stream in the parent stream. I understand that I am proposing to create dependency between streams. But I might argue that doing so (rather than trying to send PUSH_PROMISE in the parent stream) would benefit us in the long run, under the assumption that such dependency is expected to show up in application protocols other than HTTP as well. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/557#issuecomment-307167240 ----==_mimepart_593984bc94c22_a8e63fb1f52a9c34151cf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@mar= tinthomson

Returning to a model where data and headers share a stream would fix thi= s.

To me it seems that sending PUSH_PROMISE as part of the parent stream is= problematic regardless of whether or not headers and body are sent as sepa= rate streams.

Consider the case where a server is sending multiple responses that all = refer to a single resource. This could happen for example when a client req= uests two HTML files to be shown in different iframes, and when the two HTM= L files refer to the same CSS file.

In such case, you would need to refer to the pushed stream from both the= responses. However, current design only allows you to create a dependency = to a pushed response from one response. Therefore, we have a race = condition if the client receives the responses of the two pulled streams in= a different order than the server sends.

To this end, I think that we should send PUSH_PROMISE using a different = stream (possibly the stream that will convey the response headers), and wit= hin the parent stream only refer to that stream, instead of trying= to convey the request headers of the pushed stream in the parent stream.

I understand that I am proposing to create dependency between streams. B= ut I might argue that doing so (rather than trying to send PUSH_PROMISE in = the parent stream) would benefit us in the long run, under the assumption t= hat such dependency is expected to show up in application protocols other t= han HTTP as well.

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= ----==_mimepart_593984bc94c22_a8e63fb1f52a9c34151cf-- From nobody Thu Jun 8 10:38:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1F5128D19 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 10:38:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ykb2AGzB7YVL for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 10:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext5.iad.github.net [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C987129496 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 10:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 10:37:43 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1496943463; bh=ajBEbsjY0VR1RS1qEEALNctI/o2ISgypVc/ZLrDiY1g=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Z/xjLQ47G7FqmcpOwbzXskCxz36yqetchvwhW0c6TQ8jISPw8D3JwBeBiEEmkTmC9 GMMfWgIXByaiVFb1ZdpfmN8o8TzJm9UAFIxIJ8SRRGnQZEKlZl/GvZJwypRXNfe+gm Gh8PZxLQXQ404sJwfgm5iMQIiDrsD9yxfYK6dEak= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] PUSH_PROMISE ordering guarantee (#557) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59398b6782c44_1fa33fca33049c2c288d5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 17:38:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59398b6782c44_1fa33fca33049c2c288d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting idea =E2=80=93 or the request headers on their own steam, wit= h unidirectional=E2=80=A6. ?? Note, though, that this still doesn=E2=80= =99t solve ordering of the promise and the reference. It actually makes = it worse, since while you know a push is coming, you don=E2=80=99t know w= hat, and you still need to order that reference with respect to the body = fragments. Sent from my Windows 10 phone From: Kazuho Oku Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 7:09 PM To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Mike Bishop; Mention Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] PUSH_PROMISE ordering guarantee (#557) @martinthomson Returning to a model where data and headers share a stream would fix this= . To me it seems that sending PUSH_PROMISE as part of the parent stream is = problematic regardless of whether or not headers and body are sent as sep= arate streams. Consider the case where a server is sending multiple responses that all r= efer to a single resource. This could happen for example when a client re= quests two HTML files to be shown in different iframes, and when the two = HTML files refer to the same CSS file. In such case, you would need to refer to the pushed stream from both the = responses. However, current design only allows you to create a dependency= to a pushed response from one response. Therefore, we have a race condit= ion if the client receives the responses of the two pulled streams in a d= ifferent order than the server sends. To this end, I think that we should send PUSH_PROMISE using a different s= tream (possibly the stream that will convey the response headers), and wi= thin the parent stream only refer to that stream, instead of trying to co= nvey the request headers of the pushed stream in the parent stream. I understand that I am proposing to create dependency between streams. Bu= t I might argue that doing so (rather than trying to send PUSH_PROMISE in= the parent stream) would benefit us in the long run, under the assumptio= n that such dependency is expected to show up in application protocols ot= her than HTTP as well. =E2=80=94 You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread. -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/557#issuecomment-307174668= ----==_mimepart_59398b6782c44_1fa33fca33049c2c288d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting idea =E2=80=93 or the request headers on their own steam, wit= h unidirectional=E2=80=A6. ?? Note, though, that this still doesn=E2=80= =99t solve ordering of the promise and the reference. It actually makes = it worse, since while you know a push is coming, you don=E2=80=99t know w= hat, and you still need to order that reference with respect to the body = fragments.

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Returning to a model where data and headers share a stream would fix this= .

To me it seems that sending PUSH_PROMISE as part of the parent stream is = problematic regardless of whether or not headers and body are sent as sep= arate streams.

Consider the case where a server is sending multiple responses that all r= efer to a single resource. This could happen for example when a client re= quests two HTML files to be shown in different iframes, and when the two = HTML files refer to the same CSS file.

In such case, you would need to refer to the pushed stream from both the = responses. However, current design only allows you to create a dependency= to a pushed response from one response. Therefore, we have a race condit= ion if the client receives the responses of the two pulled streams in a d= ifferent order than the server sends.

To this end, I think that we should send PUSH_PROMISE using a different s= tream (possibly the stream that will convey the response headers), and wi= thin the parent stream only refer to that stream, instead of trying to co= nvey the request headers of the pushed stream in the parent stream.

I understand that I am proposing to create dependency between streams. Bu= t I might argue that doing so (rather than trying to send PUSH_PROMISE in= the parent stream) would benefit us in the long run, under the assumptio= n that such dependency is expected to show up in application protocols ot= her than HTTP as well.

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I totally missed that the FNV-1a stuff was added to quic-tls. I had not followed that doc recently, because my code doesn't do any TLS yet. Only when I couldn't find anything about FNV-1a in quic-transport did I start to grep through the text, and found section 6 of quic-tls.

IMO that is the wrong document to talk about this, since this has nothing to do with TLS. I would move that section into quic-transport.

Alternatively, quic-transport needs a pointer to that section of quic-tls, because nothing in quic-transport alerts a reader to the existence of the hash.

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Note, though, that this still doesn=E2=80=99t solve ordering of the pr= omise and the reference. It actually makes it worse, since while you know= a push is coming, you don=E2=80=99t know what, and you still need to ord= er that reference with respect to the body fragments.

Thank you for the response. That is a good point.

I would argue that if we decide to covey the request headers of a push= ed response outside the parent stream, we should 1) unify headers and bod= y into single stream, and 2) create a HTTP frame (that is sent as part of= the unified stream) that defines a dependency (i.e.tell the client to wa= it for the headers of a different stream). If we go this route, I think t= hat it would not be "worse" at least.

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While we're reconsidering this, @martinduke and I were talking again about the= idea of encrypting using AES-GCM with a version specific key. That re-con= vinced me it was a good idea.

  1. AES-GCM hardware offload is a common feature, and being able to use it = as much as possible is nice.
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Given recent deployment issues with TLS 1.3, I think point 2 is more val= uable than I previously believed.

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I like the 'spin bit' approach personally.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -827,6 +848,24 @@ Implementations MUST assume that an unsupported version uses an unknown packet
 format. All other fields MUST be ignored when processing a packet that contains
 an unsupported version.
 
+## Latency Spin Bit
+
+The latency spin bit enables latency monitoring from observation points on
+the network path. This bit is set as follow:
+
+* The connection responder sets the spin bit value to the value of the
+  spin bit in the last packet received from the connection initiator.

Also, can you add clarifying text about what to do when exiting quiescence?

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----==_mimepart_5939ceaf3ceae_27f43fe1b4963c3461540-- From nobody Thu Jun 8 16:02:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83FD8129494 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 16:02:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L3xylbKl5Cfs for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 16:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 301491292D3 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 16:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 16:02:10 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1496962930; bh=vJlCEZYtDtREOVPajY6TAzQNluFv+mHWSd7/aTG9KfU=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=yKPWEAm7jkyf7gta6nleAsBcb6KAbi+y5qMgatlgICi1P0tAnjPlsTk9xOWwFTU5M Nz24Ds8B7SxjGz7vSVix2W9yw3tFmU62qWlPvSICuXRFv5gXy8KcyWXrlz00yVVaIR 0HzDIG/hyUK9pjcGOvxEn9YR+mTsmFYBxGcROhwA= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Reconsider the use of FNV-1a for "cleartext" integrity (#554) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5939d7725b2ff_49593ff08b4c1c2c79283"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 23:02:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5939d7725b2ff_49593ff08b4c1c2c79283 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Furthermore, as I brought up in Chicago, this greatly simplifies the code= path as well if you do crypto offload. Currently, iincoming encrypted packets are decrypted asynchronously while handshake packets are handled immediately. So it's a little complicated to think through when it's OK t= o free the packet, enough that I very well might of messed it up in a way that will emerge as a memory leak someday. There has to be similar logic when sending the packet. It would greatly simplify the permutations if packets were always encrypted, and it was just a matter of switching from an insecure key to = a secure one. On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 11:55 PM, ianswett wrot= e: > While we're reconsidering this, @martinduke > and I were talking again about the idea= > of encrypting using AES-GCM with a version specific key. That re-convin= ced > me it was a good idea. > > 1. AES-GCM hardware offload is a common feature, and being able to u= se > it as much as possible is nice. > 2. Forces middleboxes that want to do TLS inspection to stay up to > date with the latest versions, otherwise they won't be able in inspe= ct SNI. > This makes future changes to TLS less likely to ossify, since middle= boxes > that aren't frequently updated won't be able to see the new version = of TLS. > > Given recent deployment issues with TLS 1.3, I think point 2 is more > valuable than I previously believed. > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you were mentioned. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/554#issuecomment-307250469= ----==_mimepart_5939d7725b2ff_49593ff08b4c1c2c79283 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Furthermore, as I brought up in Chicago, this greatly simplifies the code=
path as well if you do crypto offload. Currently, iincoming encrypted
= packets are decrypted asynchronously while handshake packets are handled<= br> immediately. So it's a little complicated to think through when it= 9;s OK to
free the packet, enough that I very well might of messed it up in a way that will emerge as a memory leak someday.

There has to be similar logic when sending the packet.

It would greatly simplify the permutations if packets were always
encrypted, and it was just a matter of switching from an insecure key to = a
secure one.

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 11:55 PM, ianswett <notifications@github.com>= ; wrote:

> While we're reconsidering this, @martinduke
> <https://github.com/martinduke> and I were talking again about= the idea
> of encrypting using AES-GCM with a version specific key. That re-con= vinced
> me it was a good idea.
>
> 1. AES-GCM hardware offload is a common feature, and being able t= o use
> it as much as possible is nice.
> 2. Forces middleboxes that want to do TLS inspection to stay up t= o
> date with the latest versions, otherwise they won't be able i= n inspect SNI.
> This makes future changes to TLS less likely to ossify, since mid= dleboxes
> that aren't frequently updated won't be able to see the n= ew version of TLS.
>
> Given recent deployment issues with TLS 1.3, I think point 2 is more=
> valuable than I previously believed.
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While not against the idea,

It would greatly simplify the permutations if packets were always
encrypted, and it was just a matter of switching from an insecure key to = a
secure one.

does not hold when encryption is not necssarily AES-GCM after handshak= e or in a new version. Further, some low-end IoT devices do not have AES = accelleration, and will not have, and may want to use ChaCha20 instead. S= uch devices could use a generic implementation since it is only for hands= hake, but it does kill the simplicity argument.

I have previously in a private mail to some authors suggested signing = the cleartext headers uses a CMAC algorithm with a version specific key. = This is much simpler than AES-GCM and better suited for non-version speci= fic implementation. CMAC will not encrypt, but AES can still be used for = that, if the concern is ossification.

Regarding ossification - isn't there a risk that middleboxes will only= work if they understand the protocol, and thus will reject newer QUIC ve= rsions with a key they don't have? This could make the problem worse. I'm= just speculating as I have no experience with these issues.

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This serves the dual purpose of providing protocol magic byte= s and a header hash. >=20 > This helps separate traffic from other UDP protocols and to an extent mid= dle box manipulation of unprotected headers. >=20 > It may possibly also help mitigate DoS attacks on the TLS handshake. I ha= ve not studied what the handshake does internally, but it can prevent start= ing the TLS machinery in the first place. >=20 > There is a risk that middle boxes hardcodes the key, making the protocol = version difficult to change. For this reason the key should not necessarily= be tied to a specific protocol version. >=20 > Proprietary deployments such as in-house database connections may configu= re a random fixed custom key for the header tag. This is not intended to be= strong encryption but it prevents random external communication (early rej= ection before TLS) and the key cannot be trivially guessed from just the 16= tag bits. It is not sufficient to provide non-idempotent 0-RTT transaction= s. >=20 > I=E2=80=99m sure you have already considered something along the followin= g lines, but for completeness: >=20 > I have not yet studied 0-RTT in detail, but it appears to me that a simpl= e 64-bit counter along with the stored crypto context would be enough to pr= event some replay attacks. In this case the public tag key could be replace= d with a CMAC that includes a 64-bit counter that is stored with the crypto= context at client and server. Because of the counter field as extra inform= ation in addition to the header, a full CMAC and not just a single AES encr= yption may be required, or the counter could be placed in the high part of = the implicit 64-bit packet number. Because the tag is only two bytes this i= s still insufficient to handle idempotent 0-RTT transactions but it allows = early rejection (before TLS engine) of replays. The tag could be extended t= o more than two bytes, but it is probably better to also include the counte= r in the full 0-RTT handshake protocol and include it in some tag there. >=20 > The counter must be larger than any previous connection attempt by at mos= t a small amount (small enough to retry different counters). The counter is= not (necessarily) included in the header other than in hashed form because= it would leak information about how many connection attempts have been mad= e, and it is not strictly needed. The counter adds complexity to a server c= lusters because the counter must be synchronized, but so must the crypto co= ntext. Allowing some variation in next counter value should handle both syn= c delays and interrupted connection attempts. For unstable connections and = delayed server sync the fallback is then 1-RTT. If the counter is not expli= cit in the header, a DoS attack might force many CMAC counter increment att= empts, which is why it must be a small increment. >=20 --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/554#issuecomment-307306820= ----==_mimepart_593a3fece1c5f_46e83ff0c0ac7c2c11602d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

For reference here is the CMAC proposal from March 15 I sent:

The approach discussed below can be extended to unauthenticated headers:=

Each protocol version publishes a fixed AES-128 key (several versions ma= y use the same key) and protects the header with a two byte tag as for prot= ected packets. This serves the dual purpose of providing protocol magic byt= es and a header hash.

This helps separate traffic from other UDP protocols and to an extent mi= ddle box manipulation of unprotected headers.

It may possibly also help mitigate DoS attacks on the TLS handshake. I h= ave not studied what the handshake does internally, but it can prevent star= ting the TLS machinery in the first place.

There is a risk that middle boxes hardcodes the key, making the protocol= version difficult to change. For this reason the key should not necessaril= y be tied to a specific protocol version.

Proprietary deployments such as in-house database connections may config= ure a random fixed custom key for the header tag. This is not intended to b= e strong encryption but it prevents random external communication (early re= jection before TLS) and the key cannot be trivially guessed from just the 1= 6 tag bits. It is not sufficient to provide non-idempotent 0-RTT transactio= ns.

I=E2=80=99m sure you have already considered something along the followi= ng lines, but for completeness:

I have not yet studied 0-RTT in detail, but it appears to me that a simp= le 64-bit counter along with the stored crypto context would be enough to p= revent some replay attacks. In this case the public tag key could be replac= ed with a CMAC that includes a 64-bit counter that is stored with the crypt= o context at client and server. Because of the counter field as extra infor= mation in addition to the header, a full CMAC and not just a single AES enc= ryption may be required, or the counter could be placed in the high part of= the implicit 64-bit packet number. Because the tag is only two bytes this = is still insufficient to handle idempotent 0-RTT transactions but it allows= early rejection (before TLS engine) of replays. The tag could be extended = to more than two bytes, but it is probably better to also include the count= er in the full 0-RTT handshake protocol and include it in some tag there.

The counter must be larger than any previous connection attempt by at mo= st a small amount (small enough to retry different counters). The counter i= s not (necessarily) included in the header other than in hashed form becaus= e it would leak information about how many connection attempts have been ma= de, and it is not strictly needed. The counter adds complexity to a server = clusters because the counter must be synchronized, but so must the crypto c= ontext. Allowing some variation in next counter value should handle both sy= nc delays and interrupted connection attempts. For unstable connections and= delayed server sync the fallback is then 1-RTT. If the counter is not expl= icit in the header, a DoS attack might force many CMAC counter increment at= tempts, which is why it must be a small increment.

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= ----==_mimepart_593a3fece1c5f_46e83ff0c0ac7c2c11602d-- From nobody Fri Jun 9 00:06:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A0EC127444 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 00:06:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.615 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.615 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fklUgnFx2k4t for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 00:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext8.iad.github.net [192.30.252.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97C23126C25 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 00:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 00:06:40 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1496992000; bh=mPlE2bl4qNhFAbYEA5XSlGuVg7EOm/5+ecWdiB+Ne2Y=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Jk/dywWqmv5eD5uvDjTliYVwZ7kUyqoArP9HdC9tNZZPNIVJ/KZC4e/PLiPrAuTTZ E8d0QjCFB7szQJzXnAS679bsFr5NyzvcuCBX+S5PbiEMdVPHDJCEh7eucFRCvq6WoF Ia/7lDqbdtcXNHz7P8J8yz3wUWk5QnVa4Mqhc7bY= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Transport: Can QUIC packets become larger than 64K? (#611) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_593a4900e137f_2d763f813cf41c3892a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 07:06:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_593a4900e137f_2d763f813cf41c3892a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > In general large packets works against the idea of stream multiplexing. That's not true. A large packet can contain many things. What is true is that excessive time spend on sending large chunks of data means that it can be difficult to respond to changes in circumstance quickly. But as long as the packets don't take too long to send, I don't see a significant problem with larger packets, at least in theory. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/611#issuecomment-307313019 ----==_mimepart_593a4900e137f_2d763f813cf41c3892a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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There is also the option to grease the type but reserve a single ungreas= ed value for monitoring packets.

This is unaffected by my favourite form of greasing (xor with the last o= ctet of the unencrypted frame). We have a choice as to whether or not this= is greased, of course.

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Well, that is correct - it does not work against multiplexing.

But it does work against stream independence and head of line blocking. = Which is a gradual transition from small to large packets and "large" obvio= usly depends on network conditions. Large packets both increases retransmis= sion latency and may force more streams into the same packet due to lack of= readily available content. Small packets also have downsides such as not e= nsuring that at least some frames make it through unharmed at low latency, = and decreased bandwidth.

The http/2 vs http/1.1 discussion circles around multiplexed streams ove= r one connection vs independent streams over multiple connections. There is= no clear winner.

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the presentation to match the order in the struct.

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@janai= yengar, I think that this is a strict improvement. The current layout = has bits in the order DOS and the corresponding fields in the order DSO. W= hile DOS is a great acronym, I think that the order of the fields makes mor= e sense, so @ekr<= /a>'s suggestion here is quite reasonable.

Now that I look at it, perhaps the most logical order is SOD. That way = you can say "this is a frame for stream S, starting at offset O and of leng= th D". In particular, frames that mention streams would then have the strea= m ID in the same place, mostly (I'd want to fix RST_STREAM at the same time= ).

Either way, I think that a consistent order is best. Also, it would be = nice to have this in the implementation draft.

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Absent other information, assume that any change in remote address is indicative of a path change. You might consider a port-only change to be indicative of hitting the same path. I don't think that this is a universally safe assumption, because it assumes a great deal about what exists on the other side of the NAT, but we might simply rely on the congestion controller being properly responsive to deal with cases where it genuinely isn't a new path. If there is a change in the remote address, make sure to obtain proof that the other endpoint can receive your packets at their new address. Until this is successful, reduce the number of packets you are willing to send on that path to *\*. If this validation fails, terminate the connection. For the purposes of validation, we will define a new frame that has a randomized payload. An endpoint would be required to send a copy of that payload back in another frame. An endpoint can initiate this validation process at any time and for any reason (though it might have to deal with the resulting ENHANCE_YOUR_CALM if it sends it too much). Note that I said to terminate the connection on this last bit because if validation of the path fails, either you have such a terrible loss issue that you don't want to be using the path, or the other side is spoofing this new source address. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/161#issuecomment-307387364 ----==_mimepart_593aa1775c0c5_59ec3fac15a91c34225d0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Based on the discussion at the interim, I think that we have a different= model in mind now:

If there is a path change, reset the congestion controller. Absent othe= r information, assume that any change in remote address is indicative of a = path change. You might consider a port-only change to be indicative of hit= ting the same path. I don't think that this is a universally safe assumpti= on, because it assumes a great deal about what exists on the other side of = the NAT, but we might simply rely on the congestion controller being proper= ly responsive to deal with cases where it genuinely isn't a new path.

If there is a change in the remote address, make sure to obtain proof th= at the other endpoint can receive your packets at their new address. Until= this is successful, reduce the number of packets you are willing to send o= n that path to <some low rate that might be incidentally related to = the initial congestion window>. If this validation fails, terminat= e the connection.

For the purposes of validation, we will define a new frame that has a ra= ndomized payload. An endpoint would be required to send a copy of that pay= load back in another frame. An endpoint can initiate this validation proce= ss at any time and for any reason (though it might have to deal with the re= sulting ENHANCE_YOUR_CALM if it sends it too much).

Note that I said to terminate the connection on this last bit because if= validation of the path fails, either you have such a terrible loss issue t= hat you don't want to be using the path, or the other side is spoofing this= new source address.

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At the interim, we discussed this design and decided that it was too sim= ilar to the one-bit version of this design - the entropy bit - that was par= t of earlier versions of the protocol. People were very happy to have the = entropy bit removed because it was quite onerous to implement. Instead, we= are now looking at defining an explicit proof of receipt packet. See #161 (= comment) for some more details on that.

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_593aa25c45912_5f893ff5c22b7c38137663"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 13:28:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_593aa25c45912_5f893ff5c22b7c38137663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 35fbeaf8c4b96273424c2a87aeb4fb35c0f831bc https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/35fbeaf8c4b96273424c2a87aeb4fb35c0f831bc Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-01 (Thu, 01 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Loosen the MUST requirement to close if an unsent packet is acknowledged Closes #564 Commit: 12cc25961505f5041d39eeb10c27985f10ef7ba1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/12cc25961505f5041d39eeb10c27985f10ef7ba1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-09 (Fri, 09 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #565 from quicwg/unsent_ack Loosen the MUST requirement to close if an unsent packet is acknowledged Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/fb6b15fccfb4...12cc25961505 ----==_mimepart_593aa25c45912_5f893ff5c22b7c38137663-- From nobody Fri Jun 9 06:31:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9CF1201F2 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 06:31:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q1nzkugvp2Sz for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 06:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 389D21241FC for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 06:31:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=AMt1Y4wkW8qfDNU4gRK0lyI4Vhg=; b=a6cRSzlfnpH4sz/r rawuBf2ojCK5V54msywUtfonVmEoAsh4r2fs3BMsVMuOEx2dq/F+hmpeLJPYTvbd mUZXBs4MsYjFAf4xbh0lQx9xEW+KKa4ogGlXdcfk66Va2daowjTMd9vTF77QnyPt MjMhDf+TOhkgwT3RZtfdzRv2jkI= Received: by filter0946p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0946p1mdw1-5869-593AA334-4F 2017-06-09 13:31:32.413009174 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id KNiziLi0RqmAMnMW934rhQ for ; Fri, 09 Jun 2017 13:31:32.359 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 06:31:32 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Loosen the MUST requirement to close if an unsent packet is acknowledged (#565) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_593aa33440217_6d9f3f8613d49c38853a5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2l2cCGY78LKHK2YDVZQIjdxZYpZkiIM5igk7 oO1T03j7FlaLENlbUzWtJ/iaKVwRa5+56EykI63kpO5QQitUUTcuHDb80pnCNWE800631AYTgPC87k cBEgBQQOGS0TC3UUlYWO5Tu2ZtX81xCZry7Ey8dGRawMn83DhUlW/FK29bY6taw4K1Pna6OgiYE5mC o= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 13:31:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_593aa33440217_6d9f3f8613d49c38853a5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great discussion everyone. I don't think that I can recognize this as a bike shed given the many layers of paint it now sits under. We discussed this at the interim and concluded that we would remove the ability to have gaps (see https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/161#issuecomment-307387364), but this uncertainty still exists to some extent due to the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame and the use of packet number skipping in that context. This will remove one source of gaps in the packet number sequence and make detecting ACKs for unsent packets easier, but not guaranteed. Thus, I think that we have a SHOULD here and we can point people who ask at this wonderful thread if they want to understand all the gory details. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Great discussion everyone. I don't think that I can recognize this as a= bike shed given the many layers of paint it now sits under.

We discussed this at the interim and concluded that we would remove the = ability to have gaps (see #161 (comment)), but this uncertainty still exi= sts to some extent due to the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame and the use of packet= number skipping in that context. This will remove one source of gaps in t= he packet number sequence and make detecting ACKs for unsent packets easier= , but not guaranteed.

Thus, I think that we have a SHOULD here and we can point people who ask= at this wonderful thread if they want to understand all the gory details.<= /p>

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I don't really want to get deep into the weeds on the various trade-offs= between longer and shorter transmission units. The facts in this case sup= port the upper limit we have - it is rare to see support of UDP jumbograms.= I will keep this issue open to discuss that possibility, but I'm parking = it because it's a distraction from other issues and unless someone has a st= rong use cases for going over 64k that involves bilateral agreement to do s= o, I think we're in good shape as things stand. If that use case ever appe= ars, we will change the size of the new max_packet_size field, which is eas= y enough to do. Currently, I see no good justification.

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= ----==_mimepart_593aa4382c9da_1f943fd386285c3c62f5-- From nobody Fri Jun 9 06:36:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B62101201F2 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 06:36:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aUGf-rYx8iy4 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 06:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m71-131.mailgun.net (m71-131.mailgun.net [166.78.71.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9A6A1241FC for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 06:36:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1497015395; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=CzD2hJUlvgdx0c2rhbHyhrCOrUQc7J3Gx6AQ1CFGI94=; b=SdXMJk+0v7GWt6emEKEhJHj6nS2zFQVE5ldjh24ajwmoDjwfh1tbLQzoStCGzENfnjZBUZqF 7ZLDOo5Qnx3KQSrwWD3MCat7NK8dwmVP58ryIHWmiHv7+mNiD4FErmhVSrjoPvmVZEpxXAGj xJSc9NcvD8RmMR92I9go2E0Ecwc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QqaLMBZ77/4vxgLZjdjqkPGxMhhoAXPr3tmFETiKKpEUXWL37MKqJFFoUrsyUVGhpH9EJP LSYRbA3VLEnFITvojpptL+QgJChJ4s1t1IemyvS0wwtzttRWElR8sMmNXevsAmeRzsc/Pln1 aXqMQ9go3eI0tY3xMPd+wxVnT8jNA= Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.71.131 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.41]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 593aa462.7fc460677720-smtp-out-n01; Fri, 09 Jun 2017 13:36:34 -0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 06:36:34 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <593aa4628868f_6e353fb45caa9c4018643f@hookshot-fe5-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] ae3fa1: Limit the size of packets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_593aa46288233_6e353fb45caa9c401863a3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 13:36:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_593aa46288233_6e353fb45caa9c401863a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: ae3fa11d3d09a31563c5538771d4f0016089c7c8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ae3fa11d3d09a31563c5538771d4f0016089c7c8 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-06 (Tue, 06 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Limit the size of packets This is primarily for constrained implementations. Based on experience with TLS, there can be real burden for those implementations just implementing an AEAD correctly over large records. This setting would allow an absurdly constrained device some defense against peers who might otherwise send jumbo packets. After all, jumbo packets can be more efficient. Closes #383. Commit: e8e98379fa639f27f5722b78ffe9a2c403e590ed https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e8e98379fa639f27f5722b78ffe9a2c403e590ed Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-06 (Tue, 06 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Increase minimum to 1252 Commit: 32db7a99cad59b1f51b17b4d636f5b92adb582d3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/32db7a99cad59b1f51b17b4d636f5b92adb582d3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-09 (Fri, 09 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #501 from quicwg/max_packet_size Limit the size of packets Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/12cc25961505...32db7a99cad5 ----==_mimepart_593aa46288233_6e353fb45caa9c401863a3-- From nobody Fri Jun 9 06:36:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8281241FC for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 06:36:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IpB49WlEkQWK for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 06:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext8.iad.github.net [192.30.252.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0BF861276AF for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 06:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 06:36:35 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1497015395; bh=xOhknB0k235gbc31FzVSGu2553plUiD9X3jT/5gE6JQ=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=O7vpimdjsHDXJsdyTPrK0S0c+hqsiPQkdWW3EQAWoYaZxyx4ouAPEN4zeCOSmmTeX 4SoTvFuo3F+E7JL1F7yV+VJPhvjEuCsjK98LVfix8W17eQOKDMif7MSVGKxaUafkFp DA5XVRe4yG66DV4YaPDpxzQ9r2+h8zbli69IrL4c= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Do we need to define a maximum packet size? 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----==_mimepart_593aa4635e35b_65543fd2a51c9c30102924-- From nobody Fri Jun 9 06:36:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC3E1276AF for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 06:36:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1k1fQbFVArPt for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 06:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m71-131.mailgun.net (m71-131.mailgun.net [166.78.71.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A7101201F2 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 06:36:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1497015410; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=wTmioX6SHsbii6c3Ap62UO1cFosBinOhRB6WXXu0vPM=; b=PJA+nniX9L0dD9QGGnxqYYnBjdD4k8AmojAlnu0MP6+o7sEOIqb8UoDteAhACh/HPr2jX/d/ V5OHlalpz2so3SJfPFbOFIYdGRTQPWXC6dtcgHUyveQESns0TGvfk/G0StTm1BPgjAMbUh6g z5ncZOh0niLVt1qc0H5g30WAbgY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OOh3m+pTungwQCooHJWD2VPbm3H5kWBgA8WF2rV9oFroJ1iqrHmvetVnPtkj0YpIHIiRM6 btXQXmj0tEL4WQIUi1YubhUaaMgFVNwPdqgtOP4nY/RGtCfdNVmGc8N6YSWpBGzundrEgdla x5i3lJmzzj2GCPctiavT9F2zX+V4w= Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.71.131 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.40]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 593aa471.7f0749ae32d0-smtp-out-n02; Fri, 09 Jun 2017 13:36:49 -0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 06:36:49 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <593aa4719fbf0_57a53f9b3a5d3c3856227@hookshot-fe6-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] aa475c: Some minor editorial improvements Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_593aa4719f7ec_57a53f9b3a5d3c385610"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 13:36:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_593aa4719f7ec_57a53f9b3a5d3c385610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/invisible_reset_symmetric Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: aa475cac0471196557a34448ff61680ab737bb0a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/aa475cac0471196557a34448ff61680ab737bb0a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-09 (Fri, 09 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Some minor editorial improvements Commit: 8fc96e85fb5240ad93e7f4a3bbb7d525d000b12f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8fc96e85fb5240ad93e7f4a3bbb7d525d000b12f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-09 (Fri, 09 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Symmetric stateless reset This is disgusting. It's still not symmetric, because only the server can propose new connection IDs. That means that the best option is to define a new message for providing the client token. The client can't send a token in transport parameters because those aren't encrypted. That means that it needs to send a frame. I considered using NEW_CONNECTION_ID, which would also allow for asymmetric connection IDs, but that doesn't work very well for other reasons: it makes the stateless reset trivially distinguishable for one. Thus, we have this. I would prefer NOT to merge this. It's complicated and gross and I still believe we don't need to do this. The primary reason, which I don't think was correctly articulated at the interim, was that this feature (stateless reset) is only really useful if you have are stationary and therefore likely to receive packets immediately after a reboot or crash. Most endpoints, particularly with IPv6, will have new IP addresses in that state and will not be listening on ports. I realize that means for stationary clients that means that they will need to fall back to ICMP, or the server detecting a broken path, but I think that is preferable to this mess. 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Merged #501.

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I do agree that SOD would be superior. I was just trying to make the minimal change.

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As mentioned in #619.

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@jan= aiyengar, do you think that you could take lead on writing up a propo= sal for this? I think that you understand the TIME_WAIT/drain issues bet= ter than I do. I will talk to @MikeBishop about how we might better manage g= raceful shutdown for HTTP.

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= ----==_mimepart_593ab7905969a_43ef3fe09ff93c3c221f8-- From nobody Fri Jun 9 08:04:43 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BA6127076 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 08:04:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f-EDnn-h-YXK for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 08:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9FCC126D74 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 08:04:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=AU6jU8BZw4utAzLmLelGHxDRKFI=; b=pltBMlSkn1Vc3qDS YS+6Y+SLuvRGiFVzNfjirMtfM3+eczQ23Ew+R2otT+X5x2cGX/gW4js34NOd67l9 ujifLifcxku6t9K7s9ZOj3rnQcO5wuMD6V+0JHXSz22JJgbd02sDsxSrbWeMgHNI kH3y0svSiUDNyQa21d1SrpXCdNo= Received: by filter0972p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0972p1mdw1-30836-593AB906-1D 2017-06-09 15:04:38.433816742 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 2rMONt_MSmmf46hyOHd5pg for ; Fri, 09 Jun 2017 15:04:38.376 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 08:04:38 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Latency Spin Bit (#609) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_593ab9063d347_13803f8af377bc2c10145"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3SN9QHENEG3norjF6IXGqkJxaM2Vv+VhGmKS /cAPz0Out4nEj8pndzSWj+jAtBq4EXkyFIjfTS96eZAdHLtvfSP6HWRaW8Wu6VongMLuxqBtldLYjd fnBXCpef7Y4lTJPB90VkVPpfsm8IPqZ0Us4H2kYbprLQ7GXq1GPUQc3n5okCCGXsMcTTxm4evlbY3x c= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 15:04:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_593ab9063d347_13803f8af377bc2c10145 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thinking about this some more, this bit will flip lots in ways that aren't immediately obvious. I think that we can safely not grease this. (We could also grease it, but that makes it a teensy bit less accessible to the devices who we intend to consume it, so not greasing is probably best.) Either way, that's not a question we need to resolve with the change as it stands. I still strongly think that we should avoid adding this to the list of transport features, and I think that you should address @ianswett's comments about dropping an entire flight (the answer being just "oh well" here). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/609#issuecomment-307413865 ----==_mimepart_593ab9063d347_13803f8af377bc2c10145 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thinking about this some more, this bit will flip lots in ways that aren= 't immediately obvious. I think that we can safely not grease this. (We c= ould also grease it, but that makes it a teensy bit less accessible to the = devices who we intend to consume it, so not greasing is probably best.) Ei= ther way, that's not a question we need to resolve with the change as it st= ands.

I still strongly think that we should avoid adding this to the list of t= ransport features, and I think that you should address @ianswett's comments about d= ropping an entire flight (the answer being just "oh well" here).

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Oh, and I really think that this needs to be crisp about being per-path. I think that we need to explicitly sasy that we reset the signal when the IP or port at either end changes.

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wrong git issue repo. sorry.

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Would it make sense to have a X-Forwarded-For parameter at the transport level?

A HTTP/1.1 server could forward to HTTP/QUIC using HTTP headers. X-FORWARDED-FOR is generally useful and sometimes necessary in load balancer contexts.

QUIC could be terminated at an edge server that has access to certificates not available to backend servers. In this case a new QUIC connection may be created from edge server to backend. if the application protocol is not HTTP and the backend wants to filter against blacklists or whitelists, or log traffic, it must pass this information to the edge server. The connection could also be generic port forwarding like SSH -p.

Could this forwaring information meaningfully belong to the transport layer, for example in extended transport parameters? And for non-terminating middle boxes, could this amend the initial client packet with forwarding headers?

I realise that this is can of worms, but it least it is better to shoot it down knowlingly rather than to regret not adding it later on.

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This feature is adequately addressed at the HTTP layer for HTTP, and the= needs of other applications are best dealt with by adding messages to thos= e protocols.

Note that in many cases, use of this sort of marking is in direct opposi= tion to the goal of having an intermediary, namely privacy. This is anothe= r reason that doing this in an application protocol makes good sense; a gen= eric transport can't reasonably make good decisions about things like priva= cy.

Consider this one shot down.

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This corrects a few infidelities about the way that stream states
update. This includes Subodh's excellent suggestion to limit
transitions from idle to only go through open.

Fixes #572, #571.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/623

Commit Summary

  • Fix stream state machine

File Changes

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  endpoint MUST NOT consider the stream state to have changed until all data has
-arrived.
+either been acknowledged or received.

I'm not sure if it is obvious that a RST is also considered acknowledged data here.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  endpoint MUST NOT consider the stream state to have changed until all data has
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+either been acknowledged or received.

But from the following it seems this also not required.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  endpoint MUST NOT consider the stream state to have changed until all data has
-arrived.
+either been acknowledged or received.

Thanks for picking up on that.

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This minimizes the perceived gap between the last packet that the +server sent and this packet. The leading octet of the Stateless Reset Token +will be interpreted as a packet number. A server MAY use a different short +header type, indicating a different packet number length, but this allows for +the message to be identified as a stateless reset more easily using heuristics. This seems confusing. Maybe you should instead of "uses" say SHOULD use > @@ -1116,6 +1079,11 @@ idle_timeout (0x0003): : The idle timeout is a value in seconds that is encoded as an unsigned 16-bit integer. The maximum value is 600 seconds (10 minutes). +stateless_reset_token (0x0005): + +: The Stateless Reset Token is used in verifying a stateless reset, see + {{stateless-reset}}. This parameter is a sequence of 16 octets. The TLS term is "vector". I would supply the PDU for this. > +In order to create a Stateless Reset Token, a server could randomly generate +{{!RFC4086}} a secret for every connection that it creates. However, this +presents a coordination problem when there are multiple servers in a cluster or +a storage problem for a server that might lose state. Stateless reset +specifically exists to handle the case where state is lost, so this approach is +suboptimal. + +A single static key can be used across all connections to the same endpoint by +generating the proof using a second iteration of a preimage-resistant function +that takes three inputs: the static key, a the connection ID for the connection +(see {{connection-id}}), and an identifier for the server instance. A server +could use HMAC {{?RFC2104}} (for example, HMAC(static_key, server_id || +connection_id)) or HKDF {{?RFC5869}} (for example, using the static key as input +keying material, with server and connection identifiers as salt). The output of +this function is truncated to 16 octets to produce the Stateless Reset Token +for that connection. I would say MUST be, because otherwise you are leaking > @@ -2070,6 +2150,11 @@ Connection ID: : A 64-bit connection ID. +Stateless Reset Token: + +: A 128-bit value that will be used to for a stateless reset when the associated + connection ID is used (see {{stateless-reset}}). Ouch, it's ugly to have this delivered in two locations. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/574#pullrequestreview-43302050 ----==_mimepart_593c2b5d18ef9_346f3fdf8cfbfc38748fa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +|                                                               |
++                   Stateless Reset Token (128)                 +
+|                                                               |
++                                                               +
+|                                                               |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                        Random Octets (*)                    ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~
+
+This packet uses the short header form with the shortest possible packet number
+encoding.  This minimizes the perceived gap between the last packet that the
+server sent and this packet.  The leading octet of the Stateless Reset Token
+will be interpreted as a packet number.  A server MAY use a different short
+header type, indicating a different packet number length, but this allows for
+the message to be identified as a stateless reset more easily using heuristics.

This seems confusing. Maybe you should instead of "uses" say SHOULD use

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1116,6 +1079,11 @@ idle_timeout (0x0003):
 : The idle timeout is a value in seconds that is encoded as an unsigned 16-bit
   integer.  The maximum value is 600 seconds (10 minutes).
 
+stateless_reset_token (0x0005):
+
+: The Stateless Reset Token is used in verifying a stateless reset, see
+  {{stateless-reset}}.  This parameter is a sequence of 16 octets.

The TLS term is "vector". I would supply the PDU for this.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +In order to create a Stateless Reset Token, a server could randomly generate
+{{!RFC4086}} a secret for every connection that it creates.  However, this
+presents a coordination problem when there are multiple servers in a cluster or
+a storage problem for a server that might lose state.  Stateless reset
+specifically exists to handle the case where state is lost, so this approach is
+suboptimal.
+
+A single static key can be used across all connections to the same endpoint by
+generating the proof using a second iteration of a preimage-resistant function
+that takes three inputs: the static key, a the connection ID for the connection
+(see {{connection-id}}), and an identifier for the server instance.  A server
+could use HMAC {{?RFC2104}} (for example, HMAC(static_key, server_id ||
+connection_id)) or HKDF {{?RFC5869}} (for example, using the static key as input
+keying material, with server and connection identifiers as salt).  The output of
+this function is truncated to 16 octets to produce the Stateless Reset Token
+for that connection.

I would say MUST be, because otherwise you are leaking

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2070,6 +2150,11 @@ Connection ID:
 
 : A 64-bit connection ID.
 
+Stateless Reset Token:
+
+: A 128-bit value that will be used to for a stateless reset when the associated
+  connection ID is used (see {{stateless-reset}}).

Ouch, it's ugly to have this delivered in two locations.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +server sent and this packet.  The leading octet of the Stateless Reset Token
+will be interpreted as a packet number.  A server MAY use a different short
+header type, indicating a different packet number length, but this allows for
+the message to be identified as a stateless reset more easily using heuristics.
+
+A server copies the connection ID field from the packet that triggers the
+stateless reset.  A server omits the connection ID if explicitly configured to
+do so, or if the client packet did not include a connection ID.
+
+After the first short header octet and optional connection ID, the server
+includes the value of the Stateless Reset Token that it included in its
+transport parameters.
+
+After the Stateless Reset Token, the endpoint pads the message with an arbitrary
+number of packets containing random values.
+

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1116,6 +1079,11 @@ idle_timeout (0x0003):
 : The idle timeout is a value in seconds that is encoded as an unsigned 16-bit
   integer.  The maximum value is 600 seconds (10 minutes).
 
+stateless_reset_token (0x0005):
+
+: The Stateless Reset Token is used in verifying a stateless reset, see
+  {{stateless-reset}}.  This parameter is a sequence of 16 octets.

Not sure that I follow the PDU comment.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +In order to create a Stateless Reset Token, a server could randomly generate
+{{!RFC4086}} a secret for every connection that it creates.  However, this
+presents a coordination problem when there are multiple servers in a cluster or
+a storage problem for a server that might lose state.  Stateless reset
+specifically exists to handle the case where state is lost, so this approach is
+suboptimal.
+
+A single static key can be used across all connections to the same endpoint by
+generating the proof using a second iteration of a preimage-resistant function
+that takes three inputs: the static key, a the connection ID for the connection
+(see {{connection-id}}), and an identifier for the server instance.  A server
+could use HMAC {{?RFC2104}} (for example, HMAC(static_key, server_id ||
+connection_id)) or HKDF {{?RFC5869}} (for example, using the static key as input
+keying material, with server and connection identifiers as salt).  The output of
+this function is truncated to 16 octets to produce the Stateless Reset Token
+for that connection.

Yep, not seeing an action here. The token is attached to NEW_CONNECTION_ID and I explain that the technique here relies on having connection ID later in the text.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2070,6 +2150,11 @@ Connection ID:
 
 : A 64-bit connection ID.
 
+Stateless Reset Token:
+
+: A 128-bit value that will be used to for a stateless reset when the associated
+  connection ID is used (see {{stateless-reset}}).

Yeah, open to suggestions for how this might be improved. Nothing I tried seemed to work that well.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2070,6 +2150,11 @@ Connection ID:
 
 : A 64-bit connection ID.
 
+Stateless Reset Token:
+
+: A 128-bit value that will be used to for a stateless reset when the associated
+  connection ID is used (see {{stateless-reset}}).

yes, it needs to be a new token otherwise it is not possible to hash 5-tuple based on an endpoint key and then multiple connections would have to share token.

Is there any text that says the token MUST be unique to the path with high probality.

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I think I know how to avoid the reset token in new connection packet, = but I am not sure it is simpler/better:

The endpoint generates an internal server key. With this key a connect= ion/path specific reset key is created. This key is shared in transport p= arameters.

To send a reset: generate a random 64-bit nonce. Sign it with HMAC-SHA= 256(reset-key, nonce). Send the nonce and the reset key.

The reset key itself must depend on the path because the Connection ID= is not always available. The 5-tuple is know to the sender, but not rece= iver because the receiver might have a different address than the sender = observes. Therefore we cannot hash the 5-tuple directly. But the endpoint= can derive the reset-key from its view of the 5-tuple and an internal st= atic endpoint key. The transmitted nonce avoids the problem with the diff= erent 5-tuple view.

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no more documents please - the crossrefs are hard enough to deal with already

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2070,6 +2150,11 @@ Connection ID:
 
 : A 64-bit connection ID.
 
+Stateless Reset Token:
+
+: A 128-bit value that will be used to for a stateless reset when the associated
+  connection ID is used (see {{stateless-reset}}).

My objection is just to having two messages, but as you say, I'm not sue how to deal with it

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1116,6 +1079,11 @@ idle_timeout (0x0003):
 : The idle timeout is a value in seconds that is encoded as an unsigned 16-bit
   integer.  The maximum value is 600 seconds (10 minutes).
 
+stateless_reset_token (0x0005):
+
+: The Stateless Reset Token is used in verifying a stateless reset, see
+  {{stateless-reset}}.  This parameter is a sequence of 16 octets.

I mean do:

opaque stateless_reset_token[16];

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Based on experience with TLS, there can be real burden for those implementations just implementing an AEAD correctly over large records. This setting would allow an absurdly constrained device some defense against peers who might otherwise send jumbo packets. After all, jumbo packets can be more efficient. Closes #383. Commit: e8e98379fa639f27f5722b78ffe9a2c403e590ed https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e8e98379fa639f27f5722b78ffe9a2c403e590ed Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-06 (Tue, 06 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Increase minimum to 1252 Commit: 916f81e1e77ad4de2dd3d68a13dc65dd9735ef96 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/916f81e1e77ad4de2dd3d68a13dc65dd9735ef96 Author: EKR Date: 2017-06-09 (Fri, 09 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Clarify mapping of bits to lengths for STREAM frame. Also, re-order the presentation to match the order in the struct. Commit: fb6b15fccfb42b7d2b58db51d071c77c82eab97d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fb6b15fccfb42b7d2b58db51d071c77c82eab97d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-09 (Fri, 09 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #618 from ekr/encoding_nits Clarify mapping of bits to lengths for STREAM frame. Also, re-order Commit: 12cc25961505f5041d39eeb10c27985f10ef7ba1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/12cc25961505f5041d39eeb10c27985f10ef7ba1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-09 (Fri, 09 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #565 from quicwg/unsent_ack Loosen the MUST requirement to close if an unsent packet is acknowledged Commit: 32db7a99cad59b1f51b17b4d636f5b92adb582d3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/32db7a99cad59b1f51b17b4d636f5b92adb582d3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-09 (Fri, 09 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #501 from quicwg/max_packet_size Limit the size of packets Commit: 2cad187993b2f6eec89057bd8bbff52b3d6b8170 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2cad187993b2f6eec89057bd8bbff52b3d6b8170 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-11 (Sun, 11 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into invisible_reset Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/ed1a6dc0de81...2cad187993b2 ----==_mimepart_593cfbadcea5d_48713f81231d3c2c11252-- From nobody Sun Jun 11 01:13:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C21D5129481 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2017 01:13:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EKXH3BQJMOJC for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2017 01:13:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4667D120046 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2017 01:13:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=XzAmAG4YcX+2iCBw2/Vp7G3wlmI=; b=iMjlurN+dYYe0GRg zqrrlBm4Z193Rfl6HTmdDz2ZUKkNNTG//h0DkS4e6yx8sZaDNVIXj49tyvlfY5ax Fh8smE7YdDaUNjzg0zLsQHztxcRzmR4yOgZO9pL8rrzqzeGPgmBEfc8BPzNfX1fJ 0V+rWg5PyTKSvKmPUuJAKQFTL3k= Received: by filter0805p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0805p1mdw1-8330-593CFBB0-3B 2017-06-11 08:13:36.574954679 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id RKU1k0srQzmFR8SmcgLAsA for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2017 08:13:36.501 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 01:13:36 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Push Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make reset simpler and invisible (#574) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_593cfbb054e62_178d3f9bafc11c38362da"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: push X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2fBB72H79c5BhO/gNY1UQx7k4ttXeG8199yc koTSbNEclhtbxIOPzR4C6pMqGRmUyngbtpHQkUjRYtPYjdFtqpKv/77LZSqo0zsKq8tBOzoXrT/ea+ udHmZ8ycTv2jqfZNcbuLdwfMBsh+Wi30g+aCefRg4Id7ugNmawwOnaFteiuTSW8nSTpOa92JOeehxL c= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 08:13:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_593cfbb054e62_178d3f9bafc11c38362da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson pushed 1 commit. 2cad187 Merge branch 'master' into invisible_reset -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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The Connection ID is negotiable via transport parameters and may be absent. > @mikkelfj, you will have to be a LOT clearer about your concerns here. I'm sorry - I thought I had a good idea, but it was flawed. I will try explain my concerns in more details here - but I still think updating the token at NEW_CONNECTION_ID is better, unless there are race conditions. In the following I sometimes refer to a server, where it might as well be a client, for the sake of simplicity. Concern 0: A reset must be identifiable as such from outside observers, with high probability - but why is this a concern? This concern is derived from the current design and needs an argument. If the token is padded with random data for this reason, the length should either be random, or have same length as other typical packets via padded encryption used to hide content length. Concern 1: A reset must work in either direction (symmetri) so both parties can terminate lost state. Concern 2: A reset token in one direction must be specific to a single connection with high probablity - otherwise other connections can learn the the token by connecting and forcing a reset, or by having observing powers on path. Concern 3: A reset token cannot rely on persistent state or pre-shared keys between two end-points. It could, but it would limit deployment scenarios. Concern 4: A reset token may not accidentally expose path migrations by sending the same token on different paths, even if that connection is about to end. Concern 5: Due to lack of state (concern 3), a reset token must be generated from a single semi-static server key and information observable from received packets and produce a connection (concern 2) and path specific (concern 4) . Concern 6: Because a static server keys may need to be updated, we potentially may have to send two resets, one for each static key during roll-over. Concern 7: A public reset should not result in a flood of resets, so an endpoint should limit the frequency of resets on a given path. Concern 8: An attacker could force many resets to attack a public reset keys integrity - e.g. AES-GCM breaks after so many iterations, but HMAC_SHA does not. Concern 7 reduces this ability of such attacks. Concern 9: Only the endpoint sending a packet resulting in a reset being sent back must be able to accept the reset, with high propability, even if the token appears encrypted to outsiders, otherwise there is risk of resetting the wrong connection in a complex server environment, and there might be attack vectors on this as well. Concern 10: An endpoint cannot assume the observable state (OS) (concern 5) is known to the peer, in other words it cannot be assumed to be shared observable state (SOS). This affects how tokens can be generated. For example, the UDP IP address and port may be different from what the peer knows about itself. Also, the Connection ID is not guaranteed present in packets in the current QUIC draft. To work around this issue, a nonce can be generated and signed, and sent to the peer. This assumes the peers connection state is able to receive validate the signature, and that no other connection endpoints have this ability (concern 9). However, attempting to design a secure token hash algorithms that works under this assumption without violating other concerns is tricky. End of concerns This leads to some possible ways to generate resets: 1) A complete random is generated for each conection and path (aka each Connection ID). The token is updated during change of path. This ensures privacy, unique endpoint acceptance etc. This is the current proposal and fullfills all concerns, assuming the the token is created carefully. The current approach does not handle static server key update (roll-over), and does not discuss limiting flow rates, nor padded random length (concern 0), but it largely is compatible with the above concerns. 2) the reset is only advisory and not particularly unique - receving a reset results in verifying the connection is live via a PING that requieres an immediate PONG (acks are too slow). This needs to be rate limited. The reset need not be very secret but should avoid outsiders from easily genering a lot of valid resets. 3) IFF we assume the observable state OS is also shareable (SOS), i.e. the Connection ID is alway visible, we cannot assume SOS does not change on path migration. In fact, if it was, it would by definition violate privacy of path migration. Now lets see how we can generate the token with SOS available (this is not necessarily different from current proposal): The Static Server Key (SSK) and SOS is used to generate a connection specific reset token signing key (RTSK) which is exhanged during handshake. RTSK = HMAC_SHA256(SSK, SOS). When a reset is sent, a reset nonce RN is generated for each new reset. The reset token (RT) is computed as RT = HMAC-SHA256(RTSK, RN | RT). A random padding sequence (RPS) is also generated unless the RN is large enough to fill that role. The reset header is RH and not detailed here. The reset message is sent as . The receiver detects RH and integrity failure and proceeds by retrieving the stored RTSK and computes RTcheck = HMAC-SHA256(RTSK, RN | RT). if RTcheck == RT then the reset is accepted. Following a crash, a retrieves SSK and computes RTSK = HMAC_SHA256(SSK, SOS) for each path and sends rate limited resets. If SOS is not not SOS, but only OS (observable state), then the reset can proceed because the peer has stored the RTSK. Therefore, it is not necessary to require that SOS is not OS. However this did not solve the problem of path migration. We saw that we could not have OS or SOS being unchanged after migration for privacy reasons, so path migration MUST issue a new RTSK. IFF we have migration invariant shared observable state (MISOS) we did not have to exchange information at path migration because RTSK = HMAC_SHA256(SSK, MISOS). When the server crashes it recomputes RTSK and sends the reset. Again, we see that the state need not be shared, so MIOS would also work. But it violates privacy. We can now define OS to be sufficient to generate tokens. We could define it to be the peers 3-tuple depending on network layer with UDP being default. But it would not solve the issue of having to migrate RTSK during path migration. If we could rely on Connection ID being visible, we could use it as OS, be we cannot (as I understand it). Therefore, it appears that the might as well send an explicit reset token instead of RTSK over the wire, while keeping the RTSK server side. (Where client has a similar setup the other direction). However, this will violate keeping the reset token unique per reset, but it will still be unique per path. If a reset is only sent once per path, this may be acceptable, otherwise the RTSK needs to be shared instead, per path. Solution 2) is also an option. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/574#issuecomment-307618844 ----==_mimepart_593d184f876dd_28c5c3feb70b07c3c45815 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The connection ID is visible on packets.

The Connection ID is negotiable via transport parameters and may be abse= nt.

@mikkelfj= , you will have to be a LOT clearer about your concerns here.

I'm sorry - I thought I had a good idea, but it was flawed. I will try e= xplain my concerns in more details here - but I still think updating the to= ken at NEW_CONNECTION_ID is better, unless there are race conditions.

In the following I sometimes refer to a server, where it might as well b= e a client, for the sake of simplicity.

Concern 0:
A reset must be identifiable as such from outside observers, with high prob= ability - but why is this a concern? This concern is derived from the curre= nt design and needs an argument. If the token is padded with random data fo= r this reason, the length should either be random, or have same length as o= ther typical packets via padded encryption used to hide content length.

Concern 1:
A reset must work in either direction (symmetri) so both parties can termin= ate lost state.

Concern 2:
A reset token in one direction must be specific to a single connection with= high probablity - otherwise other connections can learn the the token by c= onnecting and forcing a reset, or by having observing powers on path.

Concern 3:
A reset token cannot rely on persistent state or pre-shared keys between tw= o end-points. It could, but it would limit deployment scenarios.

Concern 4:
A reset token may not accidentally expose path migrations by sending the sa= me token on different paths, even if that connection is about to end.

Concern 5:
Due to lack of state (concern 3), a reset token must be generated from a si= ngle semi-static server key and information observable from received packet= s and produce a connection (concern 2) and path specific (concern 4) .

Concern 6:
Because a static server keys may need to be updated, we potentially may hav= e to send two resets, one for each static key during roll-over.

Concern 7:
A public reset should not result in a flood of resets, so an endpoint shoul= d limit the frequency of resets on a given path.

Concern 8:
An attacker could force many resets to attack a public reset keys integrity= - e.g. AES-GCM breaks after so many iterations, but HMAC_SHA does not. Con= cern 7 reduces this ability of such attacks.

Concern 9:
Only the endpoint sending a packet resulting in a reset being sent back mus= t be able to accept the reset, with high propability, even if the token app= ears encrypted to outsiders, otherwise there is risk of resetting the wrong= connection in a complex server environment, and there might be attack vect= ors on this as well.

Concern 10:
An endpoint cannot assume the observable state (OS) (concern 5) is known to= the peer, in other words it cannot be assumed to be shared observable stat= e (SOS). This affects how tokens can be generated. For example, the UDP IP = address and port may be different from what the peer knows about itself. Al= so, the Connection ID is not guaranteed present in packets in the current Q= UIC draft. To work around this issue, a nonce can be generated and signed, = and sent to the peer. This assumes the peers connection state is able to re= ceive validate the signature, and that no other connection endpoints have t= his ability (concern 9). However, attempting to design a secure token hash = algorithms that works under this assumption without violating other concern= s is tricky.

End of concerns

This leads to some possible ways to generate resets:

  1. A complete random is generated for each conection and path (aka each Con= nection ID). The token is updated during change of path. This ensures priva= cy, unique endpoint acceptance etc. This is the current proposal and fullfi= lls all concerns, assuming the the token is created carefully. The current = approach does not handle static server key update (roll-over), and does not= discuss limiting flow rates, nor padded random length (concern 0), but it = largely is compatible with the above concerns.

  2. the reset is only advisory and not particularly unique - receving a rese= t results in verifying the connection is live via a PING that requieres an = immediate PONG (acks are too slow). This needs to be rate limited. The rese= t need not be very secret but should avoid outsiders from easily genering a= lot of valid resets.

  3. IFF we assume the observable state OS is also shareable (SOS), i.e. the = Connection ID is alway visible, we cannot assume SOS does not change on pat= h migration. In fact, if it was, it would by definition violate privacy of = path migration. Now lets see how we can generate the token with SOS availab= le (this is not necessarily different from current proposal):

The Static Server Key (SSK) and SOS is used to generate a connection spe= cific reset token signing key (RTSK) which is exhanged during handshake. RT= SK =3D HMAC_SHA256(SSK, SOS). When a reset is sent, a reset nonce RN is gen= erated for each new reset. The reset token (RT) is computed as RT =3D HMAC-= SHA256(RTSK, RN | RT). A random padding sequence (RPS) is also generated un= less the RN is large enough to fill that role. The reset header is RH and n= ot detailed here. The reset message is sent as <RH, RN, RT, RPS>. The= receiver detects RH and integrity failure and proceeds by retrieving the s= tored RTSK and computes RTcheck =3D HMAC-SHA256(RTSK, RN | RT). if RTcheck = =3D=3D RT then the reset is accepted.

Following a crash, a retrieves SSK and computes RTSK =3D HMAC_SHA256(SSK= , SOS) for each path and sends rate limited resets.

If SOS is not not SOS, but only OS (observable state), then the reset ca= n proceed because the peer has stored the RTSK. Therefore, it is not necess= ary to require that SOS is not OS. However this did not solve the problem o= f path migration. We saw that we could not have OS or SOS being unchanged a= fter migration for privacy reasons, so path migration MUST issue a new RTSK= .

IFF we have migration invariant shared observable state (MISOS) we did n= ot have to exchange information at path migration because RTSK =3D HMAC_SHA= 256(SSK, MISOS). When the server crashes it recomputes RTSK and sends the r= eset. Again, we see that the state need not be shared, so MIOS would also w= ork. But it violates privacy.

We can now define OS to be sufficient to generate tokens. We could defin= e it to be the peers 3-tuple depending on network layer with UDP being defa= ult. But it would not solve the issue of having to migrate RTSK during path= migration. If we could rely on Connection ID being visible, we could use i= t as OS, be we cannot (as I understand it).

Therefore, it appears that the might as well send an explicit reset toke= n instead of RTSK over the wire, while keeping the RTSK server side. (Where= client has a similar setup the other direction). However, this will violat= e keeping the reset token unique per reset, but it will still be unique per= path. If a reset is only sent once per path, this may be acceptable, other= wise the RTSK needs to be shared instead, per path.

Solution 2) is also an option.

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This > concern is derived from the current design and needs an argument. If > the token is padded with random data for this reason, the length > should either be random, or have same length as other typical packets > via padded encryption used to hide content length. I'm not following this. The point of the current design is to make it *indistinguishable* to outside observers. And the text does say you should pad with a random amount of random data. > Concern 1: A reset must work in either direction (symmetri) so both > parties can terminate lost state. Well, more precisely, it should be possible to reset in either direction. It need not be the same token. > Concern 2: A reset token in one direction must be specific to a single > connection with high probablity - otherwise other connections can > learn the the token by connecting and forcing a reset, or by having > observing powers on path. Yes. > Concern 3: A reset token cannot rely on persistent state or pre-shared > keys between two end-points. It could, but it would limit deployment > scenarios. Perhaps you mean "per-connection" state? > Concern 6: Because a static server keys may need to be updated, we > potentially may have to send two resets, one for each static key > during roll-over. I'm not sure that this is a real issue. If you re-generate your server key every 6 months or so and you can't generate stateless resets for a while, I'm not sure I care. Remember that this is just a fallback mechanism that is intended to be better than ignoring the packets. > Concern 7: A public reset should not result in a flood of resets, so > an endpoint should limit the frequency of resets on a given path. I'm not following what this concern is. I agree that sending a stateless reset shouldn't generate a pile of responses. Do you mean something else? > Concern 8: An attacker could force many resets to attack a public > reset keys integrity - e.g. AES-GCM breaks after so many iterations, > but HMAC_SHA does not. Concern 7 reduces this ability of such attacks. I'm not following this either. This mechanism should be designed so that it is cryptographically safe. > Concern 10: An endpoint cannot assume the observable state (OS) > (concern 5) is known to the peer, in other words it cannot be assumed > to be shared observable state (SOS). This affects how tokens can be > generated. For example, the UDP IP address and port may be different > from what the peer knows about itself. Also, the Connection ID is not > guaranteed present in packets in the current QUIC draft. To work > around this issue, a nonce can be generated and signed, and sent to > the peer. This assumes the peers connection state is able to receive > validate the signature, and that no other connection endpoints have > this ability (concern 9). However, attempting to design a secure token > hash algorithms that works under this assumption without violating > other concerns is tricky. What we had discussed in the WG was just requiring conn_id if you wanted stateless reset to work. With that said, assuming that the path is invariant, you could also establish the shared key as SK = PRF(K_static, <5-tuple>) (note that the peer need not know its own address) and have the reset be HMAC(SK, Packet). That avoids attacks where an attacker uses the server as an oracle to generate the reset (I think) > the reset is only advisory and not particularly unique - receving a > reset results in verifying the connection is live via a PING that > requieres an immediate PONG (acks are too slow). This needs to be rate > limited. The reset need not be very secret but should avoid outsiders > from easily genering a lot of valid resets. Is this intended as an alternative design? 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Concern 0: A reset must be identifiable as such from outside
observers, with high probability - but why is this a concern? This
concern is derived from the current design and needs an argument. If
the token is padded with random data for this reason, the length
should either be random, or have same length as other typical packets
via padded encryption used to hide content length.

I'm not following this. The point of the current design is to make
it indistinguishable to outside observers. And the text does say you should pad with a random amount of random data.

Concern 1: A reset must work in either direction (symmetri) so both
parties can terminate lost state.

Well, more precisely, it should be possible to reset in either
direction. It need not be the same token.

Concern 2: A reset token in one direction must be specific to a single connection with high probablity - otherwise other connections can
learn the the token by connecting and forcing a reset, or by having
observing powers on path.

Yes.

Concern 3: A reset token cannot rely on persistent state or pre-shared keys between two end-points. It could, but it would limit deployment
scenarios.

Perhaps you mean "per-connection" state?

Concern 6: Because a static server keys may need to be updated, we
potentially may have to send two resets, one for each static key
during roll-over.

I'm not sure that this is a real issue. If you re-generate your
server key every 6 months or so and you can't generate stateless
resets for a while, I'm not sure I care. Remember that this is just
a fallback mechanism that is intended to be better than ignoring
the packets.

Concern 7: A public reset should not result in a flood of resets, so
an endpoint should limit the frequency of resets on a given path.

I'm not following what this concern is. I agree that sending a
stateless reset shouldn't generate a pile of responses. Do you
mean something else?

Concern 8: An attacker could force many resets to attack a public
reset keys integrity - e.g. AES-GCM breaks after so many iterations,
but HMAC_SHA does not. Concern 7 reduces this ability of such attacks.

I'm not following this either. This mechanism should be designed so
that it is cryptographically safe.

Concern 10: An endpoint cannot assume the observable state (OS)
(concern 5) is known to the peer, in other words it cannot be assumed
to be shared observable state (SOS). This affects how tokens can be
generated. For example, the UDP IP address and port may be different
from what the peer knows about itself. Also, the Connection ID is not
guaranteed present in packets in the current QUIC draft. To work
around this issue, a nonce can be generated and signed, and sent to
the peer. This assumes the peers connection state is able to receive
validate the signature, and that no other connection endpoints have
this ability (concern 9). However, attempting to design a secure token
hash algorithms that works under this assumption without violating
other concerns is tricky.

What we had discussed in the WG was just requiring conn_id if you
wanted stateless reset to work. With that said, assuming that the
path is invariant, you could also establish the shared key as
SK =3D PRF(K_static, <5-tuple>) (note that the peer need not know its=
own address) and have the reset be HMAC(SK, Packet). That avoids
attacks where an attacker uses the server as an oracle to generate
the reset (I think)

the reset is only advisory and not particularly unique - receving a
reset results in verifying the connection is live via a PING that
requieres an immediate PONG (acks are too slow). This needs to be rate
limited. The reset need not be very secret but should avoid outsiders
from easily genering a lot of valid resets.

Is this intended as an alternative design? I'm not understanding
why it's attractive, given that the entire point is you want
the other side to go away.

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@mikkel= fj, I'm afraid that you will need to be much clearer and concise. Ple= ase describe one scenario where this fails.

The server cannot store per connection state. So it must derive from t= he packet it sees. It must combine a static key with that information. So= simplified token =3D hmac(server-key, connection-id). However, if the Co= nnection ID is not present in the packet because it was negotiated away, = it will not work because the server create valid token post crash. Howeve= r, token =3D hmac(server-key, <UDP, peer-ip, peer-port>) could work= .

The concerns could perhaps better be restated as requirements and fact= s to help guide an analysis. Which I needed because there things stopped = working for various reasons and it would be good to have a basis to argue= around.

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= ----==_mimepart_593d24282691c_97a53fd681d65c3068221-- From nobody Sun Jun 11 04:30:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A80D8128B93 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2017 04:30:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z2rQSz7iQzB8 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2017 04:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9A0E124D85 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2017 04:30:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=LCkS+2iNvDFPniep96z9njBv50M=; b=iJksaiwWC0RsYBSs 08M3MR4nckGdflq8nUvLW9h4/ZgNfOVlVXnvrcII0X2V6oZbJgCOEjYrBs9Y4NzY iR3Mh0jXjWQbQA7Sdeen1FpPmeB3TdNha0ePUoJ7r/n296O1TUsQNtWOqUbjcfUv AoCZmDPah4V4WdDTBN61Z5qcM1U= Received: by filter0426p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0426p1mdw1-29521-593D29CD-4C 2017-06-11 11:30:21.480228823 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id F_MpZ_QGRDGdx_41qZ4U7Q for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2017 11:30:21.517 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 04:30:21 -0700 From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make reset simpler and invisible (#574) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_593d29cd5e49a_78ad3faa9dd33c2c55079"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1p2y4nwKa39yJfuSSJ3EVvwWnR49gq7U+Gim ndEFFBBERPDht+KSR7vBmtgeBeNtfx+FpBBDcauXPVVDbusJD3F/SGHkszd0DECscHydJe2BwMAbuM 0fqIhGM3++mycPLhyGvEFMtX9+S5RlN1bIFQR+qpPsJutYk1a68gGv7UF5KeJFI8ik3L3GQxqOHKA+ 8= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 11:30:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_593d29cd5e49a_78ad3faa9dd33c2c55079 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps concern is the wrong word - it started that way, but became more like facts and and requirements that can be used to analyse if a solution fullfills these, and if not, what trade-offs are being made. Also, the concerns are not a critique against the current solution, but it can be used to see where it matches and where it does not - this is what I tried to summarize at the end. > Concern 0: A reset must be identifiable as such from outside > observers,... > > I'm not following this. The point of the current design is to make > > it indistinguishable to outside observers. And the text does say > > you should pad with a random amount of random data. This was added because any solution must fullfill this. But to me it is not clear why we require this. It is not mean to say there is a current problem. But if we don't need this, it would open the design space. I do like to keep it appear random, but that is not an argument. > Concern 1: A reset must work in either direction (symmetri) so both > parties can terminate lost state. > Well, more precisely, it should be possible to reset in either > direction. It need not be the same token. I was careful to say reset, not reset token - but I struggled a bit with this. Yes, sometimes it can be same token both ways, sometimes it cannot - depending on the underlying design and potential exposure to related packet analysis. > Concern 3: A reset token cannot rely on persistent state or pre-shared > keys between two end-points. It could, but it would limit deployment > scenarios. >> Perhaps you mean "per-connection" state? Yes, I thought about clarifying this - the static server key mentioned later is clearly persistent. > Concern 6: Because a static server keys may need to be updated, we > potentially may have to send two resets, one for each static key > during roll-over. >> I'm not sure that this is a real issue. If you re-generate your >> server key every 6 months or so and you can't generate stateless >> resets for a while, I'm not sure I care. Remember that this is just >> a fallback mechanism that is intended to be better than ignoring >> the packets. I agree, I just wanted to make the concern visible. But I am happy to accept ignore the issue. > Concern 7: A public reset should not result in a flood of resets, so > an endpoint should limit the frequency of resets on a given path. >> I'm not following what this concern is. I agree that sending a >> stateless reset shouldn't generate a pile of responses. Do you >> mean something else? That is largely it - but this boils down to how a server identifies a unique connection - there may be a flood of meaningless packets from 100K+ connections, so rate limiting here makes little sense, but per end point there can also be many packets, and here only one should be sent within a given time interval. This is non-trivial to implement - you need a large reset state table just for booting a server. You may choose to ignore this concern knowingly as long as you don't open to certain attacks that comprise other servers that share the same key on still valid connections. >> Concern 8: An attacker could force many resets to attack a public >> reset keys integrity - e.g. AES-GCM breaks after so many iterations, >> but HMAC_SHA does not. Concern 7 reduces this ability of such attacks. > I'm not following this either. This mechanism should be designed so > that it is cryptographically safe. Exactly. It is only a concern if not done so. The concern is there to make sure this is upheld. >> Concern 10: An endpoint cannot assume the observable state (OS) >> (concern 5) is known to the peer, in other words it cannot be assumed >> ... > What we had discussed in the WG was just requiring conn_id if you > wanted stateless reset to work. With that said, assuming that the > path is invariant, you could also establish the shared key as > SK = PRF(K_static, <5-tuple>) (note that the peer need not know its > own address) and have the reset be HMAC(SK, Packet). That avoids > attacks where an attacker uses the server as an oracle to generate > the reset (I think) This is also largely what I suggest at then end of my text. Except a 5-tuple would not work if shared state is required so I used a 3-tuple. But I convinced myself the peer need not observe the same 5-tuple, so this would be ok - when I started I assumed it was necessary for peer to observe same state for key computations, but that turned out to not be correct. Stating that reset should only work when Connection ID is present is a fair design decision. I may have missed this requirement, but it changes nothing in the list of concerns. It is a willingness to do a trade-off. >> the reset is only advisory and not particularly unique - receving a >> reset results in verifying the connection is live via a PING that >> requieres an immediate PONG (acks are too slow). This needs to be rate >> limited. The reset need not be very secret but should avoid outsiders >> from easily genering a lot of valid resets. > Is this intended as an alternative design? I'm not understanding > why it's attractive, given that the entire point is you want > the other side to go away. It is not necessarily more attractive - and it is intended as alternative design with different tradeoffs. For example it could enable you to have a public reset without a Connection Id if the other design breaks down for some reason, now, or when other changes are made in the protocol. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Perhaps concern is the wrong word - it started that way, but became more= like facts and and requirements that can be used to analyse if a solution = fullfills these, and if not, what trade-offs are being made.

Also, the concerns are not a critique against the current solution, but = it can be used to see where it matches and where it does not - this is what= I tried to summarize at the end.

Concern 0: A reset must be identifiable as such from outside
observers,...

I'm not following this. The point of the current design is to make
it indistinguishable to outside observers. And the text does say
you should pad with a random amount of random data.

This was added because any solution must fullfill this. But to me it is = not clear why we require this. It is not mean to say there is a current pro= blem. But if we don't need this, it would open the design space. I do like = to keep it appear random, but that is not an argument.

Concern 1: A reset must work in either direction (symmetri) so both
parties can terminate lost state.
Well, more precisely, it should be possible to reset in either
direction. It need not be the same token.

I was careful to say reset, not reset token - but I struggled a bit with= this.
Yes, sometimes it can be same token both ways, sometimes it cannot - depend= ing on the underlying design and potential exposure to related packet analy= sis.

Concern 3: A reset token cannot rely on persistent state or pre-shared keys between two end-points. It could, but it would limit deployment
scenarios.

Perhaps you mean "per-connection" state?

Yes, I thought about clarifying this - the static server key mentioned l= ater is clearly persistent.

Concern 6: Because a static server keys may need to be updated, we
potentially may have to send two resets, one for each static key
during roll-over.

I'm not sure that this is a real issue. If you re-generate your
server key every 6 months or so and you can't generate stateless
resets for a while, I'm not sure I care. Remember that this is just
a fallback mechanism that is intended to be better than ignoring
the packets.

I agree, I just wanted to make the concern visible. But I am happy to ac= cept ignore the issue.

Concern 7: A public reset should not result in a flood of resets, so
an endpoint should limit the frequency of resets on a given path.

I'm not following what this concern is. I agree that sending a
stateless reset shouldn't generate a pile of responses. Do you
mean something else?

That is largely it - but this boils down to how a server identifies a un= ique connection - there may be a flood of meaningless packets from 100K+ co= nnections, so rate limiting here makes little sense, but per end point ther= e can also be many packets, and here only one should be sent within a given= time interval. This is non-trivial to implement - you need a large reset s= tate table just for booting a server. You may choose to ignore this concern= knowingly as long as you don't open to certain attacks that comprise other= servers that share the same key on still valid connections.

Concern 8: An attacker could force many resets to attack a public
reset keys integrity - e.g. AES-GCM breaks after so many iterations,
but HMAC_SHA does not. Concern 7 reduces this ability of such attacks.

I'm not following this either. This mechanism should be designed so
that it is cryptographically safe.

Exactly. It is only a concern if not done so. The concern is there to ma= ke sure this is upheld.

Concern 10: An endpoint cannot assume the observable state (OS)
(concern 5) is known to the peer, in other words it cannot be assumed
...

What we had discussed in the WG was just requiring conn_id if you
wanted stateless reset to work. With that said, assuming that the
path is invariant, you could also establish the shared key as
SK =3D PRF(K_static, <5-tuple>) (note that the peer need not know its=
own address) and have the reset be HMAC(SK, Packet). That avoids
attacks where an attacker uses the server as an oracle to generate
the reset (I think)

This is also largely what I suggest at then end of my text. Except a 5-t= uple would not work if shared state is required so I used a 3-tuple. But I = convinced myself the peer need not observe the same 5-tuple, so this would = be ok - when I started I assumed it was necessary for peer to observe same = state for key computations, but that turned out to not be correct.

Stating that reset should only work when Connection ID is present is a f= air design decision. I may have missed this requirement, but it changes not= hing in the list of concerns. It is a willingness to do a trade-off.

the reset is only advisory and not particularly unique - receving a
reset results in verifying the connection is live via a PING that
requieres an immediate PONG (acks are too slow). This needs to be rate
limited. The reset need not be very secret but should avoid outsiders
from easily genering a lot of valid resets.

Is this intended as an alternative design? I'm not understanding
why it's attractive, given that the entire point is you want
the other side to go away.

It is not necessarily more attractive - and it is intended as alternativ= e design with different tradeoffs. For example it could enable you to have = a public reset without a Connection Id if the other design breaks down for = some reason, now, or when other changes are made in the protocol.

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Concern 0: A reset must be identifiable as such from outside
observers,...

I'm not following this. The point of the current design is to make
= it indistinguishable to outside observers. And the text does say
you should pad with a random amount of random data.

That was a complete typo I didn't see even when re-reading the text. Y= es, it must NOT be identifiable as such. The rest remains valid - why do = we require this, even if it does sound like a good idea?

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@mikkelfj= ,

The server cannot store per connection state. So it must derive from the= packet it sees. It must combine a static key with that information. So sim= plified token =3D hmac(server-key, connection-id). However, if the Connecti= on ID is not present in the packet because it was negotiated away, it will = not work because the server cannot create a valid token post crash.

The construction of the token is a suggestion. Note also that the sugge= stion says this:

This design relies on the client always sending a connection ID in its p= ackets
so that the server can use the connection ID from a packet to reset the
connection.

I don't know how to make this clearer. I would accept a pull request th= at improved the text, certainly.

However, token =3D hmac(server-key, <UDP, peer-ip, peer-port>) cou= ld work.

It's possible that the remote IP and port are sufficient, especially in = the absence of connection ID. However, these are lower in entropy and not = controlled by the server. If the values collide, which is possible, then t= he token will be reused, once the reset is used, later connections that col= lide will be vulnerable to the exact type of denial of service attack that = this design is intended to protect against. I think that connection ID is = the best recommendation.

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= ----==_mimepart_593d39b4d2cda_5a863ff07521fc3c99431-- From nobody Sun Jun 11 05:56:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 830EE1292F5 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2017 05:56:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sEsS9661qOFI for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2017 05:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BDA32128796 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2017 05:56:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=NicILQK1r6FOCw5sNIB07iCvITY=; b=kx0MJQEohIVks3Pg Hgrbek3q822Tv/6arr8S6lfPZw8TTqe4JqgEB1H5Ipt6rPWCK+ELXlXHj7KPSv8z srE/uthKGx28hdeLvaLHqCznd2rEM79TDbsDEAbm9k7YGPYvuZONi7h4zYuuIm7i Kt3vSyzotgAe7LnTekAWnHNcmkQ= Received: by filter0514p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0514p1mdw1-9824-593D3E11-2C 2017-06-11 12:56:49.67735532 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 0ugCCzWpQAawHKJvZSYSVw for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2017 12:56:49.595 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 05:56:49 -0700 From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make reset simpler and invisible (#574) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_593d3e117c192_69e83f8afb1f7c3042220"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1RtDm7pU+FqRBuqF6JC6KRLFgki1h6lSpXWA ZBpo13w/zDM/t8DwCBZd8wTVkYIwjQZJh/gWyeIO9MXw7mMWq5ZMNm6eQyeW8TBAqZlvKlcatHIsEd MAO+C+qQAcS7dauI310AoqxCqlL292UZ+br++fctPYKakMlmJJqbi2Yjk1NaCPPwB7Ak8JfZL9zldq M= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 12:56:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_593d3e117c192_69e83f8afb1f7c3042220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I don't know how to make this clearer. I would accept a pull request that improved the text, certainly. I guess I was just not willing to accept that the Connection ID is required for the reset to work - meaning reset does not always work. It is a trade-off. > It's possible that the remote IP and port are sufficient, especially in the absence of connection ID. However, these are lower in entropy and not controlled by the server. If the values collide, which is possible, then the token will be reused, once the reset is used, later connections that collide will be vulnerable to the exact type of denial of service attack that this design is intended to protect against. I think that connection ID is the best recommendation. I touched upon this in other comments. It is possible to avoid repeating the token with just a 3-tuple or 5-tuple if you send a connection/path specific shared key PRF(static-key, connection-id), and sign a nonce and send it to peer. But if you are careful not to send the same token more than once you can avoid this - this requires server state after crash. So I think overall I would prefer sharing a key over a direct token - but there is not a deep difference - since token or key must be replaced at path migration. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/574#issuecomment-307627510 ----==_mimepart_593d3e117c192_69e83f8afb1f7c3042220 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't know how to make this clearer. I would accept a pull request tha= t improved the text, certainly.

I guess I was just not willing to accept that the Connection ID is requi= red for the reset to work - meaning reset does not always work. It is a tra= de-off.

It's possible that the remote IP and port are sufficient, especially in = the absence of connection ID. However, these are lower in entropy and not c= ontrolled by the server. If the values collide, which is possible, then the= token will be reused, once the reset is used, later connections that colli= de will be vulnerable to the exact type of denial of service attack that th= is design is intended to protect against. I think that connection ID is the= best recommendation.

I touched upon this in other comments. It is possible to avoid repeating= the token with just a 3-tuple or 5-tuple if you send a connection/path spe= cific shared key PRF(static-key, connection-id), and sign a nonce and send = it to peer. But if you are careful not to send the same token more than onc= e you can avoid this - this requires server state after crash. So I think o= verall I would prefer sharing a key over a direct token - but there is not = a deep difference - since token or key must be replaced at path migration.<= /p>

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= ----==_mimepart_593d3e117c192_69e83f8afb1f7c3042220-- From nobody Sun Jun 11 10:12:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B6E4129541 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2017 10:12:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HyYFYAxhZmNV for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2017 10:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6ABCA129571 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2017 10:12:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=lwYuMt4V34oE9QZv56c3nHyreEg=; b=WeLeTTqV2U4QAcbT IaI7/quAELKmNtILavuc/w12qZhoMG2MdUtMN+u2awWLTrOik0MkuX8i2R/OBj+L 4QK2F5y0cePX9GTARfSt1V/H6T6MsqoYJOHDMzG3h2HLSGh8Yh1se19axMiw6QUF DLgw2yVZIRKZ7bReti9g9sRBuMQ= Received: by filter0901p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0901p1mdw1-25979-593D79F7-18 2017-06-11 17:12:23.312491371 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id ZHH6kvOFQXChhXzsfJAkfA for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2017 17:12:23.299 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 10:12:23 -0700 From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK validation during handshake (#624) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_593d79f736461_b9f3f98a5253c30375d8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1basd3rOL5NdmzP5r/7t05nnYQS6X1j52cGL Xx9g0kx5nv/cByP+Vc9aIB/1Pq6d6NbCr4eIie0EwrbXcuC8pXfaTtGtmZGqW2iFwNml2qPr2q2Klf zmiPpRLfDaovh7alNyh6y/xlGYiEJB4fQk7VsI6ngGa97BrmGVa3mRT3PbjMFGcdS/ap9BGGO1rRfn c= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 17:12:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_593d79f736461_b9f3f98a5253c30375d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How to ignore early packets without getting in conflict with requirement to drop connection on invalid ACKS: During handshake a lot of packets may be silently ignored - either because they do not match the current state and could be from an adversary but could also be spurious retransmissions no longer relevant, or because of races where future protected packets races in front of a handshake and we dont' want to resever or lot, or any, state to packets we cannot verify immediately. Keeping state of the dropped packets might be counter-productive - notably an adversary might shadow out valid packets by simply having a cleartext packer ignored. On the other hand dropped packets might be perfectly valid such as 1RTT protected, we just don't know it yet, and don't want to allocate a lot of state to find out later. I suggest that ACK ranges received for untracked packets are ignored (not the entire ACK frame or packet). This means RTT estimation will remain unaffected and the connection will be vulnerable to attempts to suppress connection establishment. A related issue is how to count MAX_DATA in this scenario, but I haven't thought much about this. This very lengthy discussion on pull request is about when a connection SHOULD be upset with receiving unexpected ACKS, but does not really deal with the above issue: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/565 -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/624 ----==_mimepart_593d79f736461_b9f3f98a5253c30375d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

How to ignore early packets without getting in conflict with requirement to drop connection on invalid ACKS:

During handshake a lot of packets may be silently ignored - either because they do not match the current state and could be from an adversary but could also be spurious retransmissions no longer relevant, or because of races where future protected packets races in front of a handshake and we dont' want to resever or lot, or any, state to packets we cannot verify immediately.

Keeping state of the dropped packets might be counter-productive - notably an adversary might shadow out valid packets by simply having a cleartext packer ignored. On the other hand dropped packets might be perfectly valid such as 1RTT protected, we just don't know it yet, and don't want to allocate a lot of state to find out later.

I suggest that ACK ranges received for untracked packets are ignored (not the entire ACK frame or packet). This means RTT estimation will remain unaffected and the connection will be vulnerable to attempts to suppress connection establishment.

A related issue is how to count MAX_DATA in this scenario, but I haven't thought much about this.

This very lengthy discussion on pull request is about when a connection SHOULD be upset with receiving unexpected ACKS, but does not really deal with the above issue: #565

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

@ianswett, can you fix the PADDING frame thing and then I think that I'm willing to accept that clarity is more important than resolving whether ACKs count.

(A thing to consider is whether we lose traffic analysis resistance by creating an exemption for ACK-only packets.)

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Concern 11: A Public Reset MUST not be a source of amplicifcation atta= cks.

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RetransmitAllHandshakePackets() is not further defined in the loss-recovery ID. But it is implied that when executing this, one would also execute OnPacketSent(), which produces the effect hat SetLossDetectionAlarm() is called twice for the same transmission event. That is clearly not intended.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -827,6 +848,24 @@ Implementations MUST assume that an unsupported version uses an unknown packet
 format. All other fields MUST be ignored when processing a packet that contains
 an unsupported version.
 
+## Latency Spin Bit
+
+The latency spin bit enables latency monitoring from observation points on
+the network path. This bit is set as follow:
+
+* The connection responder sets the spin bit value to the value of the
+  spin bit in the last packet received from the connection initiator.

Ian, there are two references to quiescence in the current draft. One about the Ping frame, "The default is to send a PING frame after 15 seconds of quiescence." The other about flow control, "it is generally considered best to not let the sender go into quiescence if avoidable." But the concept of quiescence is not well defined. Is it just "has not sent packet for a long time"?
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -827,6 +848,24 @@ Implementations MUST assume that an unsupported version uses an unknown packet
 format. All other fields MUST be ignored when processing a packet that contains
 an unsupported version.
 
+## Latency Spin Bit
+
+The latency spin bit enables latency monitoring from observation points on
+the network path. This bit is set as follow:
+
+* The connection responder sets the spin bit value to the value of the
+  spin bit in the last packet received from the connection initiator.

What if two packets were received and the first had the spin bit set and the second did not? I would think the spin bit would still be set by the responder in that case?

If an old packet race ahead this could add noise to signal. I think it would be good to explain how this would work, or alternatively filter out the noise by only flipping when a new highest packet number is received. Noise could probably be used effectively if understood by analyser.

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The motivation for this issue is: What happens if you receive a ServerCleartext packet that contains SH but doesn't contain the acknowledgement for CI? Should you eventually retransmit CI? This doesn't make sense, but the protocol suggests you should.

We could just make it an exception, but I think we might want to go bigger. Specifically, I propose we take the data in ClientInitial out of stream 0 and make it special data. It is anyway because it can't be fragmented, has to be padded, etc. Then the client's second flight would go in stream 0 at offset 0.

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Related question - why does the client send end of handshake in a clea= rtext packets after receiving server handshake, except for retransmission= of earlier packets no longer needed.

QUIC TLS draft section 4.1:

@c QUIC STREAM Frame(s) <0>:
(EndOfEarlyData)
{Finished}

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It avoids double-encryption of the TLS handshake packets.

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----==_mimepart_593fb68082c05_22d693fb8389e1c3869193-- From nobody Tue Jun 13 03:42:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C98D12EC63 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 03:42:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hKmz7z4M4Onb for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 03:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B41512EE46 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 03:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 03:33:30 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1497350010; bh=D1upUvfCP7lHflbctS2La/o+CBKjW3qVb5dT4E/DEd4=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=gSCDvR8BziTrGWb2WIaBVByiwVU44EF0N4f8rIL84DtsOBJgSWxVVIUh4bIbda7Qx CYq8SovgdibVaR+z6g40sgrRMLJQcVvEVqEHdD61FqRaJ61dzcEPmx5XqPwcSuuH5F /BWZEwA9O1Uu3jA+PLTYJolrQvgHaSjZw7t/+QoU= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ClientInitial is special (#627) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_593fbf7a61b6e_1a2d23fb1eae73c3c9503b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 10:42:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_593fbf7a61b6e_1a2d23fb1eae73c3c9503b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > It avoids double-encryption of the TLS handshake packets. I may get the following wrong, as I haven't studied everything in detail yet, but my take is, ignoring 0RTT: If the server was required to only respond with a single packet, and double encryption was acceptible (which I think is not problem at all), then the handshake could have the form: @c ClientInitial -> <-c ServerInitial @1-> stream 0{EndOfEarlyData, Finished}, Optionally other streams -> No ACKS in server to client, no acks in client to server. If these initial packets are made special, as you suggest with ClientInitial, we can also drop packet numbering of these. This also avoids the issue with ACKS of untrusted packets during handshake: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/624 -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/627#issuecomment-308075737 ----==_mimepart_593fbf7a61b6e_1a2d23fb1eae73c3c9503b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It avoids double-encryption of the TLS handshake packets.

I may get the following wrong, as I haven't studied everything in deta= il yet, but my take is, ignoring 0RTT:

If the server was required to only respond with a single packet, and d= ouble encryption was acceptible (which I think is not problem at all), th= en the handshake could have the form:

@c ClientInitial ->
<-c ServerInitial
@1-> stre= am 0{EndOfEarlyData, Finished}, Optionally other streams ->

No ACKS in server to client, no acks in client to server.

If these initial packets are made special, as you suggest with ClientI= nitial, we can also drop packet numbering of these.

This also avoids the issue with ACKS of untrusted packets during hands= hake: #624

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"If the server was required to only respond with a single packet..."

This is not a reasonable assumption. Certificates regularly push you over the MTU.

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This is not a reasonable assumption. Certificates regularly push you ove= r the MTU.

Could this not also happen to client certificates when server requires a= uth?

Could certs be seperate from Diffie-Hellman?

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----==_mimepart_593fc46390237_43063fb5b06e9c2c599be-- From nobody Tue Jun 13 04:05:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D8C612F265 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 04:05:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tlXNbvAAa6ES for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 04:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B2AC13149C for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 04:02:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=oIB8NevUu7h/vv7N6LiFs57LS/4=; b=OVWCngzjV57ap3VV cHz+I0dmB+gwNn5CsC979aJTNLH+1OkD8vVMJlEcVwpn324Nx+XDiYECLJRHON/b 2RV3dtnWPOtr/D9XWEtUcboUCEZAlOIXghG75tCKz8u6rYXDYh9BzUbojb8JxDGP Sc6U6r3CFF42778XbAm6uB88O0w= Received: by filter0487p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0487p1mdw1-6842-593FC63F-AB 2017-06-13 11:02:23.819447814 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 7vLzYPM8RHCMHdCA3Z_HmA for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 11:02:23.754 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 04:02:23 -0700 From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ClientInitial is special (#627) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_593fc63f9d014_6d053faf26b01c3c309d7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak15fr2C2EJ71jX2YUUklgOtI7jK5IgXth3a/D Wvso4fDMyhHbi34KU9Z8ivcqN5Ga8PRm7U2lK500v1I2lzSN9C3MjWTeLq0Q6R4KthDYVQBuxdDD70 H/TPO1no58cFy2y/Ro3rXqSmuNzSBAXoz6UQjLvsFgfQMYZH7lO4x7ZBSw== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 11:05:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_593fc63f9d014_6d053faf26b01c3c309d7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Could this not also happen to client certificates when server requires auth? Yes. > Could certs be seperate from Diffie-Hellman? They are. Client certificates are sent in the second flight. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/627#issuecomment-308081785 ----==_mimepart_593fc63f9d014_6d053faf26b01c3c309d7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Could this not also happen to client certificates when server requires a= uth?

Yes.

Could certs be seperate from Diffie-Hellman?

They are. Client certificates are sent in the second flight.

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= ----==_mimepart_593fc63f9d014_6d053faf26b01c3c309d7-- From nobody Tue Jun 13 04:07:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57075126CD8 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 04:07:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.181 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.181 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G2R0pKdbp7kD for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 04:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67FE21294F0 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 04:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 04:05:35 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1497351935; bh=JpW3a8QdEhP/bUoltgxcETq8JUPR6gpGNfKVx887q1A=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=tPa/5k/eghgTXkkGTi8efDM+f3E22kq6EadqMkLxdHA51St6wLYLTU6HwgM4515p2 ZXdvTbdkaKHvhyd0vc/gT8UFpUR47W/fL6+rqnfLIF1xyWYwuZDeTQqgbG1gF5osmd FT10SQvH0NdlmhxZW2YPmqnMqRJ9kQTlT1blrhLk= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Transition to half closed local should probably happen on FIN ack (#571) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_593fc6ffa3ccb_6a7f3fedc7239c3c41418"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 11:07:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_593fc6ffa3ccb_6a7f3fedc7239c3c41418 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The *stream* doesn't need to wait for the FIN to be acked. It's a reliable frame, so the connection will ensure that the FIN bit gets retransmitted, but I think the stream should close in the case you mention. The stream state machine does not include reliability states (it does not include acking of any data). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/571#issuecomment-308082446 ----==_mimepart_593fc6ffa3ccb_6a7f3fedc7239c3c41418 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The stream doesn't need to wait for the FIN to be acked. It's= a reliable frame, so the connection will ensure that the FIN bit gets re= transmitted, but I think the stream should close in the case you mention.= The stream state machine does not include reliability states (it does no= t include acking of any data).

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The stream doesn't need to wait for the FIN to be acked. It's a reliable frame

Does this consider state complexity as a function of races with RST?

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It would also deal with #597,#608 - especially if CCID is reflected, and paired with SCID when available, on all unprotected server sent packets.

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----==_mimepart_593fcbf2aab73_1953fe50996fc348117d-- From nobody Tue Jun 13 04:32:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40CC131688 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 04:32:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07c0Ml5aAT88 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 04:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD848131682 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 04:32:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=Wpc8z6zzl2HPMUiMWFNbepP2t70=; b=v5TUo+trQKOPLyv3 0reYCRNah/kxYPC7R8UGs2OBqEvKM5GbI+bTGwh06E2EiJ1g6+YmMAj1bDxgL01b QlvKZ3BXik7+TyBF2GDVMq9pJ9GbRyivSCl0cajTUrz5tC9M2krVz4U1hKVw8i/5 lBL++dRhk6vGlxKq0Lopzo0+tdc= Received: by filter0494p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0494p1mdw1-10702-593FCCF2-B 2017-06-13 11:30:58.080517328 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id pkjXBL2hSdGo-qxe5bXCFg for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 11:30:58.000 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 04:30:57 -0700 From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ClientInitial is special (#627) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_593fccf1df4e1_3bac3fee8aa91c2c181b0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak35F6QqUrkPPoRKE5PK6rHqkiAdAyPfonD/Rv NyacGcpwgEVfj4qBebe1WRmsgnFul5WqKP50z4EMiMnPPSV5uYaH/5ye/KJHk0JApQkBz+FKPznbFC BQZVmC198ctv0yLzEfMe95n9oA+bZoc4rcleHGDrLdRahcjCAoZ6C34zKQ== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 11:32:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_593fccf1df4e1_3bac3fee8aa91c2c181b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This would add a new type of complexity because the keys that are available after the initial key exchange are not the same as those which are available after the handshake completes. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/627#issuecomment-308087671 ----==_mimepart_593fccf1df4e1_3bac3fee8aa91c2c181b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This would add a new type of complexity because the keys that are available after the initial key exchange are not the same as those which are available after the handshake completes.

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Is that necessarily so, given stateless retry? And key phase must be handled anyway. I don't want to add complexity though.

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This is a side-effect of the change to opening all lower number streams automagically. Since we're doing auto-opening, it makes sense to do this.

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----==_mimepart_593fd88c98658_6a003f97570bdc30940f1-- From nobody Tue Jun 13 05:31:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF63129501 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 05:31:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.396 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.396 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eOH8uFazf09B for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 05:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0228C124234 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 05:31:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=MGugpqYQdkXIoiDndtdjkKvHhi0=; b=ZefV/JO+3bcOz7+6 jnnR8IUM4C773S0XGNGzzX2evLhvqiKrFJ5XMvLxPnniOhVNY0g3VlJoNiTrEk4W t5mtvXJEafFrioLYZir9P8DAEuxeTHj5Fg+FRIDcdHnx8Cjps7ugzjEa1NRZ+/DN BtuyhJ/D0nI9qfy0TJg7tvp3CEM= Received: by filter0839p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0839p1mdw1-29082-593FDB1D-19 2017-06-13 12:31:25.228905622 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 6oOSx5DeT4akdKD8F_n3gQ for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 12:31:25.108 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 05:31:24 -0700 From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fix stream state machine (#623) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_593fdb1cee66a_56563fe881af1c30458eb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1nxsHH1HUYm9qljXhhbee5cH4wA0cyE76I+P uDLV1HkXvD61WdeHM8tbd6Y0rxFEtqC1jTp7P4bAmwZ3r3WR/+COe9M43SBxQ/jcO1p0g4DY76uWHs a05Qvtnb7pg/jDx9cA+YECCrmFwb88KoKRnaPb1ezWqLFgRfkPLWL3H6pIwe/we/TuunE8no51jaxY w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 12:31:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_593fdb1cee66a_56563fe881af1c30458eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > endpoint MUST NOT consider the stream state to have changed until all data has -arrived. +been acknowledged, received or discarded. The "arrived" was deliberate -- the stream does not need to hang around in open state until all data is acked. That's a matter of reliability, which should not have anything to do with stream states. I would like to keep stream states decoupled from reliability requirements. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/623#pullrequestreview-43706515 ----==_mimepart_593fdb1cee66a_56563fe881af1c30458eb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  endpoint MUST NOT consider the stream state to have changed until all data has
-arrived.
+been acknowledged, received or discarded.

The "arrived" was deliberate -- the stream does not need to hang around in open state until all data is acked. That's a matter of reliability, which should not have anything to do with stream states. I would like to keep stream states decoupled from reliability requirements.

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This includes Subodh's excellent suggestion to limit transitions from idle to only go through open. Fixes #572, #571. Commit: 07dedceb98466551b797e1a88303d96453aa5299 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/07dedceb98466551b797e1a88303d96453aa5299 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-10 (Sat, 10 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix 571 properly Commit: b1875874a6b52b8eb8ad5c796d1f0ae39c3f4409 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b1875874a6b52b8eb8ad5c796d1f0ae39c3f4409 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-10 (Sat, 10 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Allow for RST_STREAM more explicitly. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -827,6 +848,24 @@ Implementations MUST assume that an unsupported version uses an unknown packet
 format. All other fields MUST be ignored when processing a packet that contains
 an unsupported version.
 
+## Latency Spin Bit
+
+The latency spin bit enables latency monitoring from observation points on
+the network path. This bit is set as follow:
+
+* The connection responder sets the spin bit value to the value of the
+  spin bit in the last packet received from the connection initiator.

Scratch my comment, I think if we define this correctly, we don't need to talk about quiescence, it'll just naturally work out.

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With MAX_STREAM_ID, the need to delay stream close is less needed. We no longer need to track closed in order to support enforcing of the concurrent stream limit. Endpoints can provide or withhold new stream identifiers as they are able or see fit.

This removes some of the pressure to choose a very late point in time to move to the closed state. In fact, Google's QUIC implementation doesn't track state for streams past the point that all data is first sent. Waiting for acknowledgment in that implementation is managed by a connection-level construct.

Making streams close on sending means that the state machine is simpler to explain.

Or, we could consider adding a state for the case where streams are draining.

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-04 still allows "8, 16, 24, and 32 bits". If this is what it's going to be, we can close this issue?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -827,6 +848,24 @@ Implementations MUST assume that an unsupported version uses an unknown packet
 format. All other fields MUST be ignored when processing a packet that contains
 an unsupported version.
 
+## Latency Spin Bit
+
+The latency spin bit enables latency monitoring from observation points on
+the network path. This bit is set as follow:
+
+* The connection responder sets the spin bit value to the value of the
+  spin bit in the last packet received from the connection initiator.
+
+* The connection initiator sets the spin bit value to the opposite

I'm confused about why it's the opposite? My mental model is that the bit would be set to 1 on a packet, and then it would be bounced back and forth, so there would only be a single packet marked with the 1 spin bit at any given point in time.

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-04 still allows 48 bits in the ACK frame?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -827,6 +848,24 @@ Implementations MUST assume that an unsupported version uses an unknown packet
 format. All other fields MUST be ignored when processing a packet that contains
 an unsupported version.
 
+## Latency Spin Bit
+
+The latency spin bit enables latency monitoring from observation points on
+the network path. This bit is set as follow:
+
+* The connection responder sets the spin bit value to the value of the
+  spin bit in the last packet received from the connection initiator.
+
+* The connection initiator sets the spin bit value to the opposite

Ok, ekr explained to me out of band that I misunderstood how the spin bit worked. I think the design here is more robust to loss than what I was thinking of, so I'm happy with it.

However, an overview sentence explaining what it's doing (ie: mark the entire flight with the spin bit, etc) would have prevented my confusion.

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Increases the max length of largest acked from 48 bits to 64 bits in order to allow more than 2^48 packets be sent on a connection.

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Can we please move discussions to issues, and not have them on PRs?

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----==_mimepart_593ff826a3193_24613ff5f4179c2c6901f-- From nobody Tue Jun 13 07:53:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A269912EB03 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 07:53:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.254 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.254 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id toMNvZ5rxnQD for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 07:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A90C131A90 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 07:42:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=5HexDr09U4m8ghevo4PcDCWaH3s=; b=K9H1Ml3gT/I+mRQl 9icLgtJhNrMJksBasTYZadgZEnj/Uvqj0ORg1096Z56PtslOjhhkhCa2BVVT9izJ 7VqEGgOhALaJxwL1tnELbHwYt4XpdWsP+2vOM822o3H9UEQ20c4HQYHYaKvD4wv5 eWi0E0nh5HYQ2qcUvNjUsaaO7BM= Received: by filter1131p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1131p1mdw1-12118-593FF9E6-33 2017-06-13 14:42:46.328297922 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id uGo-EnPfRFeiwL1FXFFmOw for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 14:42:46.354 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 07:42:46 -0700 From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Increase max length of largest acked (#629) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_593ff9e62e0ef_5a183fb5af677c2c430c0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3B6o4NyFAp2UNayH5egHZASM8h91NKStovfq r3yENj646sPBI0xKYKXblciRfyafM3Fmn0xYgE8CFjWRbIerOWswDiVDx4k5e8jk1F5fAj+IjMZE99 04eLRHuX/KNwcyntl3SvXSuc3uKBmflg4r8HGw3sbkyS+cz7vWd9aJKNyA== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 14:53:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_593ff9e62e0ef_5a183fb5af677c2c430c0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ekr approved this pull request. +100 -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/629#pullrequestreview-43746625 ----==_mimepart_593ff9e62e0ef_5a183fb5af677c2c430c0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Well, if we want to remove 24, then we can still decide to remove 24. I'm not a piece of seating, but I'm not seeing much movement toward resolution.

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Only because we didn't get around to making those changes. We agreed to move fast on -04 and we didn't have a PR for removing 48.

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Merged #629.

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this is a dup of #507 so closing.

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----==_mimepart_593ffdd1e8c4f_60e3fd5c9721c38603ac-- From nobody Tue Jun 13 08:22:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3C5131B5B for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 08:22:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id APmkTjRN6E1C for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 08:22:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91C5C131A82 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 08:07:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=csyrBZ0HK/8PD9Q8kB7JSx/YxO4=; b=EbDHGcEdICQRfcMx hpqm5GnorXHJ3DKYLqm7ITv0dMh4XJNwTY0Gt4Kuuint0i6k2//7eMpE4zIwh1jw VDGoBl807HZW5CAwIy0INlqPN0TrwbGJHF3xzVD3S7WzcL35D8MRA1eeiL5ox9Xh 8cjBLoSVaTw5Iml+BPb3WW4SR3A= Received: by filter0944p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0944p1mdw1-9009-593FFF8B-A6 2017-06-13 15:06:51.570422843 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id EtX5rnxbQS6xB2LKsjd4Eg for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 15:06:51.394 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 08:06:51 -0700 From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stream ID 24-bit encoding? (#508) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_593fff8bd746_26e83fb34806bc34662b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak33YE08KqIC/SPj7sUPdJNdW4Wxwe0ajv+lEN z8BzUsBuG5DEBjckQhq2cRqpDG3wFl0fH5EdXnu1LxPcygmXHO38pvuOelrHto6FoYIQ8rFNkV6B0i zNoUviKXT9NVa6baLB2GYKBDxaulNLpfAX2hPIE6u2K6S/vVv2mqYMdbp8M1NL6+xSzB7PwSh1AmmZ A= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 15:22:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_593fff8bd746_26e83fb34806bc34662b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd like to keep 24 around. My reasoning is that there is a non-zero benefit for having it, and > 32 is not something we need to engineer for in this version. We can rev a version if we really need > 32. And since we're using 2 bits to represent stream ID size, makes sense to use 4 sizes. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/508#issuecomment-308147190 ----==_mimepart_593fff8bd746_26e83fb34806bc34662b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'd like to keep 24 around. My reasoning is that there is a non-zero ben= efit for having it, and > 32 is not something we need to engineer for i= n this version. We can rev a version if we really need > 32. And since w= e're using 2 bits to represent stream ID size, makes sense to use 4 sizes.<= /p>

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I'll close the issue; please feel free to open it if you want to change the stream id sizes.

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I would like a 64-bit stream id - because it completely removes the need= for application logic to care about this limitation since other limits hap= pen much earlier, and because it makes it viable to really throw away small= streams on long living connections.

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@mikkelfj= , we have discussed expanding the stream ID space to 64 bits and we exp= licitly decided not to. If you have new information, plea= se find the issue and add your new information there. "I would like" isn't= really strong enough to cause us to re-litigate the issue.

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I don't think it makes sense for streams to be draining... the connectio= n ought to handle that, IMO. (I'll check what GQUIC does and get back on wh= en we close streams. The constraints are different though, since open strea= ms in GQUIC count towards MAX_OPEN_STREAMS, whereas with QUIC we now don't = have that trouble.)

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Current packet layout requires the handshake (which is conveyed in a Cleartext packet) and 0-RTT data to be sent as separate packets. In other words, you need to send at least two packets to establish a connection and send a request (e.g. HTTP request, DNS query).

To me this seems like a regression when compared to TFO+TLS 1.3, in which you can convey SYN, TLS handshake and 0-RTT data in a single packet.

I'd argue that this might have real-world impact. Having the need to send two packets (instead of one) is not only costly but also has a higher chance of suffering from packet loss (especially in a lossy network), since the request cannot be processed on the server unless both of the two packets reach the server.

Therefore I think that we should find a way to send both the handshake and 0-RTT data in a single packet.

There could be several ways to accomplish this.

One way that might be worth considering would be to do the following.

  • unify Cleartext type and 0-RTT encrypted type into one type
  • at the beginning of the payload of the unified type include the amount of cleartext data. Cleartext data of the specified amount should immediately follow that. Rest of the payload would be 0-RTT data.

Since we would only send data of stream 0 in cleartext and we need to give precedence to the stream, storing cleartext before 0-RTT data makes sense.

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I didn't realize we were cutting 04 today, but PR #629 has now fixed the 48 bit issue.

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----==_mimepart_594036e16981d_13493fb88d70bc34892b0-- From nobody Tue Jun 13 12:23:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22BC6129549 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 12:23:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 56JLxtZEFsOP for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 12:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 866C3129548 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 12:23:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=gO9ghqZtHqJm9bcWJCBy82FFGik=; b=aVAP4FDsKTENG/uB k+Gmpw3JILLgfBl6CA3Qt1ctmN5NrMtSCxlEa/IbN/KczYleVuW/lV7INFJHU/bS 4FW9SV7jb11wfQpT5gf93Fn7rZZPmIOTLMQRSWpzNF4NgupSPNuaNg1ltSXDEsnE +4iP5qRMBwb4E8MG+zJQks1O10Y= Received: by filter1150p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1150p1mdw1-23595-59403BC2-19 2017-06-13 19:23:46.188109765 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 8FsghyrdSdiP9U-KWFx-Ig for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 19:23:46.143 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 12:23:45 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] handshake and 0rtt data should go into single packet (#630) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59403bc1e856f_2a3d03f8b86855c2c1051e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1/Ln6oVOzcaJcgfkME3Y7zhUwOL+Qgll4jSs owYgYvd+CV3Fa6dx0cI9CPgCVyMNrxUdbqqBsTC+sSGkCUQUN2BiAEoxsiToPPATKisp25PNkE9+yl /utunpFJ9w6ZFrcQ3kATYkJBBXiBcoJ9f9hHyI1B5Zqrxxadk8H12o+Vw8s4duig3c98i7UtZAZfxT 0= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 19:23:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59403bc1e856f_2a3d03f8b86855c2c1051e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Excellent suggestion. I was just thinking about thinking about this this weekend, particularly for cases like DNS over QUIC. I can see three framing options: 1) Create a new packet type which is cleartext + 0RTT data 2) Add two bytes at the beginning of cleartext packets to indicate a cleartext length that precedes the 0RTT data. 3) Require that all frames after a Stream 0 frame be encrypted with 0RTT data. Option 3 seems overly clever, and 1 adds one or two more packet types. Option 2 burns 2 bytes on every unencrypted packet, which I think may be the best option, but I may be wrong. Any other framing suggestions? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/630#issuecomment-308221603 ----==_mimepart_59403bc1e856f_2a3d03f8b86855c2c1051e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Excellent suggestion. I was just thinking about thinking about this this= weekend, particularly for cases like DNS over QUIC.

I can see three framing options:

  1. Create a new packet type which is cleartext + 0RTT data
  2. Add two bytes at the beginning of cleartext packets to indicate a clear= text length that precedes the 0RTT data.
  3. Require that all frames after a Stream 0 frame be encrypted with 0RTT d= ata.

Option 3 seems overly clever, and 1 adds one or two more packet types. = Option 2 burns 2 bytes on every unencrypted packet, which I think may be th= e best option, but I may be wrong.

Any other framing suggestions?

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Any other framing suggestions?

My preference is 2. But any of the three would work.

And I will like to point out that we'd need to do the same for the first= packets that the server sends. We need a packet format that contains both = the payloads of current Server Cleartext and 1-RTT Encrypted (key phase 0).= Otherwise, a server cannot respond with just sending one packet.<= /p>

The fact that a server might send multiple Cleartext packets (when doing= a full handshake) might be considered a point against option 2 (i.e. burn = 2 octets in every packet that includes Cleartext to indicate where Cleartex= t ends).

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Just encrypt cleartext with 0RTT key and don't mind double encryption.

I am not sure if this approach works. A server might not know the 0RTT k= ey, in which case it needs to fall back to doing a full handshake. For the = purpose, handshake messages need to be sent unencrypted.

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= ----==_mimepart_59404e7856b5_4ece3fcc4c90bc3c8959b-- From nobody Tue Jun 13 14:44:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E181B1317AA for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 14:44:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ADJRI0otMV5l for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 14:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1905128C81 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 14:44:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=00T9I569gKvuRniGxDi11GOi2eY=; b=avSOMt2bjqXKuchT dKVHJgnYwwKeDHFzl4tO3NWB4bRuy3dxsdqkZJbWR4wChCg5WU9jROjlEI/qTmM/ nUsc0hnXcKWsQjhLty3L7e7dXe1IbSG6ThQ0EOgBZ6qHVvd7cTKiZYOtpQd159LF asjNwbcRjUpDY/+j0j15ZKWLX6w= Received: by filter0560p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0560p1mdw1-527-59405CA3-65 2017-06-13 21:44:03.882406189 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id xucT4Ai4Sh6E_b212LPO_w for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 21:44:03.670 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 14:44:02 -0700 From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Privacy for connection IDs (#598) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59405ca2e7ae9_167c3fd381951c3c8404b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3Z27qbIqp4mRwk3wnx1OULunoHGkqHPSj7qI EYUgXJu2xiOW1OvBjH7Zgfk0aZsAUMg8z50EvW3RoUUyrGU4NnzGjOFthve3jhHk23G4x7bQCjmkqK RzA9YIeondJjCbqMr0vUviGELOwtpOHSKf13t+ylwO9P4nSwjiezgFWw1Q== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 21:44:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59405ca2e7ae9_167c3fd381951c3c8404b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 7:53 PM, Victor Vasiliev wrote: > Well, there is a third design, in which the server issues its public RSA > key (or ECDH share), and the client encrypts its connection ID for every > packet. This is obviously impractical due to computational costs, but I > am not sure that either of proposed solutions is practical either. I > suspect there might be a cryptographic construction that will do that > too and is cheaper than that. > Yeah, I think this is pretty clearly impractical. > Is this issue about the ways of doing this specifically, or are we > discussing the threat model and whether it is useful here too? > I raised this issue to determine whether there was interest in doing this if we could make it practical. I got my answer to that so I am planning on coming back with some more specific ideas. Help welcome of course, but maybe not on this issue. =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you authored the thread. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/598#issuecomment-308257663= ----==_mimepart_59405ca2e7ae9_167c3fd381951c3c8404b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 7:53 PM, Victor Vasiliev <notifications@github.c= om>
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> packet. This is obviously impractical due to computational costs, but = I
> am not sure that either of proposed solutions is practical either. I > suspect there might be a cryptographic construction that will do that<= br> > too and is cheaper than that.
>

Yeah, I think this is pretty clearly impractical.



> Is this issue about the ways of doing this specifically, or are we
> discussing the threat model and whether it is useful here too?
>

I raised this issue to determine whether there was interest in doing this if we
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issue.

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So encryption won't (always) work without extra retry fallback and roundtrip. I'd say option 2 sounds reasonable. The packet might be padded anyway to hide length of a HTTP request.

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@kazuho= : I agree it's annoying to have to send two packets.

I have a fourth option: Add a length field to the long header and allow = multiple long headers to be packed into a single UDP datagram. Note that th= is will require adjusting the padding rules, but that should be possible.

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@ekr, conc= eptually I like option 4, but it introduces a bunch of weird options, such = as the ability to specify two different connection IDs and packet numbers i= n the same packet.

If we did include 0RTT data in the same packet with a CHLO, we could mak= e the plaintext the associated data, which would give it some extra protect= ion from tampering, but we may want a hash as well, in case the 0RTT data c= an't be decrypted?

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= ----==_mimepart_594144d364e2d_727a3fb5c4715c3c7215b-- From nobody Wed Jun 14 07:25:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D90012EA81 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2017 07:25:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.021 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.021 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YAfqLxSOnIMD for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2017 07:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B47BD12944A for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2017 07:25:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=wsI5PkpMfnVxEsJuX8T5oqBZvcA=; b=M0E6NPw0qcykSbtS 6yDcbGPA7F3u3YyMi9AJtt3dQe8ykvI+EDeHnmhp6MypjKSa7pQ9I+l0B0pqgRhD /Ga+TcdWnBow9YvKinyx44ny8UK8AZ/jR9mojNfLPJaY3vHbt/RqSvx7+dUz1RvM p9UeaJLmT4sczRpc/5+uCKKzFXs= Received: by filter1073p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1073p1mdw1-4749-59414741-31 2017-06-14 14:25:05.531242888 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id QkSDP-3TS7-hjx7C8r5kLA for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2017 14:25:05.473 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 07:25:05 -0700 From: Brian Trammell Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Explicit support for on-path calculation of RTT of QUIC flows (#631) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5941474156702_9333fce47e55c2c368df"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: britram X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1gN/pFMc/+OHnOTmvin4dfK+oBoYCG/Q2G9B SAqbKdtBu0oYVnzfbhY/7fprzAtpobAIVzYAs00i5w/AnSaTAVHtZiRRL65IjyU2/xA4x2Qo6w8nkj Pm+3zW9qtaSr7HiDtYBlKJkXZ1TiKek3cQ8Zo4mac7y2yzNDi/dzkC8ijXI5kc3C57/tXBCIQCCTIn Q= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 14:25:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5941474156702_9333fce47e55c2c368df Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As discussed at the interim, it might be desirable to allow devices on-path observing two sides of a QUIC connection (or the subset of a multipath QUIC connection) to accurately estimate the RTT of the flow, either for in-band operational purposes (AQM) or general monitoring and measurement purposes (cf. an informal survey of IPFIX information elements suggesting multiple vendors shipping devices that perform this measurement for TCP.) This facility should require bilateral agreement of both endpoints before an RTT signal is available on path; i.e. it should be optional. This was a large part of the requirement behind #269, #391, and #393, which were expressed in terms of mechanism instead of requirements. #609 contains a proposal addressing this issue which is separate from packet numbering, and is therefore compatible with proposals to make packet numbering inaccessible to on path devices (see #231) This issue was filed in part to uplevel the discussion on #609 to requirements. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/631 ----==_mimepart_5941474156702_9333fce47e55c2c368df Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As discussed at the interim, it might be desirable to allow devices on-p= ath observing two sides of a QUIC connection (or the subset of a multipath = QUIC connection) to accurately estimate the RTT of the flow, either for in-= band operational purposes (AQM) or general monitoring and measurement purpo= ses (cf. an informal survey of IPFIX information elements suggesting multip= le vendors shipping devices that perform this measurement for TCP.)

This facility should require bilateral agreement of both endpoints befor= e an RTT signal is available on path; i.e. it should be optional.

This was a large part of the requirement behind #269, #391, and #3= 93, which were expressed in terms of mechanism instead of requirements.= #609 contains a propos= al addressing this issue which is separate from packet numbering, and is th= erefore compatible with proposals to make packet numbering inaccessible to = on path devices (see #231= )

This issue was filed in part to uplevel the discussion on #609 to requirements.

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Let's talk about this on #631 -- in any case #609 is a better proposal for the RTT part of this.

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Let's talk about this on #631 -- in any case #609 is a better proposal for the RTT part of this.

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It might be useful for on-path devices to be able to calculate the (1) loss and (2) non-loss indication of congestion (i.e., ECN) experienced by each side of a QUIC flow from a single observation point.

Since #609 essentially marks every congestion window of a QUIC flow with an alternating spin, evaluation of the time-series of congestion window sizes could allow passive analysis of congestion window reductions, from which loss can be inferred if the assumption that the sender is using loss-based congestion control is valid.

A less inference-based solution would be something like the loss bit discussed in #279.

An even more explicit way to do this would be to implement something like ConEx in the QUIC short header.

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And the loss-detection inference ability of this proposal can be discussed in #632.

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This will be particularly useful for small requests, such as for DNS. I think we can pull this off without any framing changes. The current packet types (post-Paris) have the Client Initial packet always carrying the initial handshake data. Since this packet will contain only a STREAM frame with handshake material, we can make this packet a bit more special. Since STREAM frames have a size field, any bytes beyond the cleartext STREAM frame can be treated as 0-RTT encrypted data. On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 4:21 PM, ekr wrote: > On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 4:14 PM, ianswett > wrote: > > > @ekr , conceptually I like option 4, but it > > introduces a bunch of weird options, such as the ability to specify two > > different connection IDs and packet numbers in the same packet. > > > > What of it? Just handle the two packets as if they came in separate > datagrams. > > > > If we did include 0RTT data in the same packet with a CHLO, we could ma= ke > > the plaintext the associated data, which would give it some extra > > protection from tampering, but we may want a hash as well, in case the > 0RTT > > data can't be decrypted? > > > > This is starting to sound like a loot of hoop-jumping to avoid two calls = to > send() > > > =E2=80=94 > > You are receiving this because you were mentioned. > > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > > >, > > or mute the thread > > ABD1ob2SoISHtv3nnxQauvivGTvTZdifks5sD-rRgaJpZM4N47uf> > > > . > > > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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for small requests, such as for DNS.

I think we can pull this off without any framing changes. The current
packet types (post-Paris) have the Client Initial packet always carrying
the initial handshake data. Since this packet will contain only a STREAM
frame with handshake material, we can make this packet a bit more special.<= br> Since STREAM frames have a size field, any bytes beyond the cleartext
STREAM frame can be treated as 0-RTT encrypted data.

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> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 4:14 PM, ianswett <notifications@github.com= >
> wrote:
>
> > @ekr <https://github.com/ekr>, conceptually I like option 4= , but it
> > introduces a bunch of weird options, such as the ability to speci= fy two
> > different connection IDs and packet numbers in the same packet. > >
>
> What of it? Just handle the two packets as if they came in separate
> datagrams.
>
>
> > If we did include 0RTT data in the same packet with a CHLO, we co= uld make
> > the plaintext the associated data, which would give it some extra=
> > protection from tampering, but we may want a hash as well, in cas= e the
> 0RTT
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>
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This will be particularly useful for small requests, such as for DNS. I think we can pull this off without any framing changes. The current packet types (post-Paris) have the Client Initial packet always carrying the initial handshake data. Since this packet will contain only a STREAM frame with handshake material, we can make this packet a bit more special. Since STREAM frames have a size field, any bytes beyond the cleartext STREAM frame can be treated as 0-RTT encrypted data. Thoughts? On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 4:21 PM, ekr wrote: > On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 4:14 PM, ianswett > wrote: > > > @ekr , conceptually I like option 4, but it > > introduces a bunch of weird options, such as the ability to specify two > > different connection IDs and packet numbers in the same packet. > > > > What of it? Just handle the two packets as if they came in separate > datagrams. > > > > If we did include 0RTT data in the same packet with a CHLO, we could ma= ke > > the plaintext the associated data, which would give it some extra > > protection from tampering, but we may want a hash as well, in case the > 0RTT > > data can't be decrypted? > > > > This is starting to sound like a loot of hoop-jumping to avoid two calls = to > send() > > > =E2=80=94 > > You are receiving this because you were mentioned. > > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > > >, > > or mute the thread > > ABD1ob2SoISHtv3nnxQauvivGTvTZdifks5sD-rRgaJpZM4N47uf> > > > . > > > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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for small requests, such as for DNS.

I think we can pull this off without any framing changes. The current
packet types (post-Paris) have the Client Initial packet always carrying
the initial handshake data. Since this packet will contain only a STREAM
frame with handshake material, we can make this packet a bit more special.<= br> Since STREAM frames have a size field, any bytes beyond the cleartext
STREAM frame can be treated as 0-RTT encrypted data.

Thoughts?

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 4:21 PM, ekr <notifications@github.com> wrote= :

> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 4:14 PM, ianswett <notifications@github.com= >
> wrote:
>
> > @ekr <https://github.com/ekr>, conceptually I like option 4= , but it
> > introduces a bunch of weird options, such as the ability to speci= fy two
> > different connection IDs and packet numbers in the same packet. > >
>
> What of it? Just handle the two packets as if they came in separate
> datagrams.
>
>
> > If we did include 0RTT data in the same packet with a CHLO, we co= uld make
> > the plaintext the associated data, which would give it some extra=
> > protection from tampering, but we may want a hash as well, in cas= e the
> 0RTT
> > data can't be decrypted?
> >
>
> This is starting to sound like a loot of hoop-jumping to avoid two cal= ls to
> send()
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -827,6 +848,24 @@ Implementations MUST assume that an unsupported version uses an unknown packet
 format. All other fields MUST be ignored when processing a packet that contains
 an unsupported version.
 
+## Latency Spin Bit
+
+The latency spin bit enables latency monitoring from observation points on
+the network path. This bit is set as follow:
+
+* The connection responder sets the spin bit value to the value of the
+  spin bit in the last packet received from the connection initiator.

One more comment: I think we need text on packet reordering here. Possibly this should be the largest packet received instead of the last?

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This will be particularly usefu= l > for small requests, such as for DNS. > > I think we can pull this off without any framing changes. The current > packet types (post-Paris) have the Client Initial packet always carryin= g > the initial handshake data. Since this packet will contain only a STREA= M > frame with handshake material, we can make this packet a bit more speci= al. > Since STREAM frames have a size field, any bytes beyond the cleartext > STREAM frame can be treated as 0-RTT encrypted data. And what if you need to pad to get up to 1280? On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 4:21 PM, ekr wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 4:14 PM, ianswett > > wrote: > > > > > @ekr , conceptually I like option 4, but it= > > > introduces a bunch of weird options, such as the ability to specify= two > > > different connection IDs and packet numbers in the same packet. > > > > > > > What of it? 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> I think this is a good idea in general. This will be particularly us= eful
> for small requests, such as for DNS.
>
> I think we can pull this off without any framing changes. The curren= t
> packet types (post-Paris) have the Client Initial packet always carr= ying
> the initial handshake data. Since this packet will contain only a ST= REAM
> frame with handshake material, we can make this packet a bit more sp= ecial.
> Since STREAM frames have a size field, any bytes beyond the cleartex= t
> STREAM frame can be treated as 0-RTT encrypted data.


And what if you need to pad to get up to 1280?


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> > > @ekr <https://github.com/ekr>, conceptually I like o= ption 4, but it
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> > > different connection IDs and packet numbers in the same pa= cket.
> > >
> >
> > What of it? Just handle the two packets as if they came in sepa= rate
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> >
> >
> > > If we did include 0RTT data in the same packet with a CHLO= , we could
> make
> > > the plaintext the associated data, which would give it som= e extra
> > > protection from tampering, but we may want a hash as well,= in case the
> > 0RTT
> > > data can't be decrypted?
> > >
> >
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> It might be useful for on-path devices to be able to calculate the (1)=
> loss and (2) non-loss indication of congestion (i.e., ECN) experienced= by
> each side of a QUIC flow from a single observation point.
>
> Since #609 <https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/609> esse= ntially
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> evaluation of the time-series of congestion window sizes could allow > passive analysis of congestion window reductions, from which loss can = be
> inferred if the assumption that the sender is using loss-based congest= ion
> control is valid.
>
> A less inference-based solution would be something like the loss bit > discussed in #279 <https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/279= >.
>
> An even more explicit way to do this would be to implement something l= ike
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On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 7:35 PM, ekr wrote: > On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 8:23 PM, janaiyengar > wrote: > > > I think this is a good idea in general. This will be particularly useful > > for small requests, such as for DNS. > > > > I think we can pull this off without any framing changes. The current > > packet types (post-Paris) have the Client Initial packet always carrying > > the initial handshake data. Since this packet will contain only a STREAM > > frame with handshake material, we can make this packet a bit more > special. > > Since STREAM frames have a size field, any bytes beyond the cleartext > > STREAM frame can be treated as 0-RTT encrypted data. > > > And what if you need to pad to get up to 1280? > > > On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 4:21 PM, ekr wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 4:14 PM, ianswett > > > wrote: > > > > > > > @ekr , conceptually I like option 4, but it > > > > introduces a bunch of weird options, such as the ability to specify > two > > > > different connection IDs and packet numbers in the same packet. > > > > > > > > > > What of it? Just handle the two packets as if they came in separate > > > datagrams. > > > > > > > > > > If we did include 0RTT data in the same packet with a CHLO, we could > > make > > > > the plaintext the associated data, which would give it some extra > > > > protection from tampering, but we may want a hash as well, in case > the > > > 0RTT > > > > data can't be decrypted? > > > > > > > > > > This is starting to sound like a loot of hoop-jumping to avoid two > calls > > to > > > send() > > > > > > > =E2=80=94 > > > > You are receiving this because you were mentioned. > > > > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > > > > > issuecomment-308444561 > > > >, > > > > or mute the thread > > > > > > ABD1ob2SoISHtv3nnxQauvivGTvTZdifks5sD-rRgaJpZM4N47uf> > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > =E2=80=94 > > > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. > > > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > > > issuecomment-308465652 > > >, > > > or mute the thread > > > auth/AKjg1JvRAFuR6GG7MZkh- > > y2oZa8e548rks5sD_prgaJpZM4N47uf> > > > . > > > > > > > =E2=80=94 > > You are receiving this because you were mentioned. > > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > > >, > > or mute the thread > > V5uRN2EhgYSGks5sECUggaJpZM4N47uf> > > . > > > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you commented. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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by PADDING frames.

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 7:35 PM, ekr <notifications@github.com> wrote= :

> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 8:23 PM, janaiyengar <notifications@github.= com>
> wrote:
>
> > I think this is a good idea in general. This will be particularly= useful
> > for small requests, such as for DNS.
> >
> > I think we can pull this off without any framing changes. The cur= rent
> > packet types (post-Paris) have the Client Initial packet always c= arrying
> > the initial handshake data. Since this packet will contain only a= STREAM
> > frame with handshake material, we can make this packet a bit more=
> special.
> > Since STREAM frames have a size field, any bytes beyond the clear= text
> > STREAM frame can be treated as 0-RTT encrypted data.
>
>
> And what if you need to pad to get up to 1280?
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 4:21 PM, ekr <notifications@github.com> = wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 4:14 PM, ianswett <notifications@= github.com>
> > > wrote:
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> > > > @ekr <https://github.com/ekr>, conceptually I lik= e option 4, but it
> > > > introduces a bunch of weird options, such as the abilit= y to specify
> two
> > > > different connection IDs and packet numbers in the same= packet.
> > > >
> > >
> > > What of it? Just handle the two packets as if they came in s= eparate
> > > datagrams.
> > >
> > >
> > > > If we did include 0RTT data in the same packet with a C= HLO, we could
> > make
> > > > the plaintext the associated data, which would give it = some extra
> > > > protection from tampering, but we may want a hash as we= ll, in case
> the
> > > 0RTT
> > > > data can't be decrypted?
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= ----==_mimepart_5941829016b9a_786a3fa0fa611c34302f3-- From nobody Wed Jun 14 12:25:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCAEA127843 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2017 12:25:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.183 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.183 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YxfYfUOX0gaa for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2017 12:25:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03A4A124D37 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2017 12:25:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=z/p4eJp4kuHyAua6gj9g8E4Arl8=; b=qOrxWcNg1HXXVMC8 NRSdwXatlBusJsy/Umr0uF9gPc+v459LQjrmS/Gm7sVW7J/vGosR03THas6hAygY DTA+doHSqH/rfJ5dnxAmwH4oLJHsr97mqu77hwHy3guj26GUA8yHj8AW+/QGxXBn VREP8zXXezqojElTvWdan5IFQeQ= Received: by filter1162p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1162p1mdw1-15358-59418DA2-1C 2017-06-14 19:25:22.196837212 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id fp-zP1oCR8WSGsDTuvVJPQ for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2017 19:25:22.158 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 12:25:22 -0700 From: Lucas Clemente Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] handshake and 0rtt data should go into single packet (#630) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59418da293e0_1b1d3fbfc1d9fc2c4832"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: lucas-clemente X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak14M9VToyRI7RaemS6cn/Ruyvh7m39+l395pK qYPnL4IndD4TkqyogrL6zwWgcdEpDOmoOi8sap2nhJiZYWLht27Jj2rHH1/rU+FjJCFVaheWTJ715r cN4ETSAyAfa1MX3Iiv0gpYhnxDOhACBaEC2RQ/uaaQc78slOvm+uNbwwy+hr0a4F3F13rAsgjyJ1MD 0= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 19:25:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59418da293e0_1b1d3fbfc1d9fc2c4832 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it's a nice property of QUIC that right now packetization (header & encryption) is separate from framing, which simplifies layering in implementations. If we do this, I think we should keep it on the public header level, so that it conceptually works like two packets in one. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/630#issuecomment-308533033 ----==_mimepart_59418da293e0_1b1d3fbfc1d9fc2c4832 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think it's a nice property of QUIC that right now packetization (heade= r & encryption) is separate from framing, which simplifies layering in = implementations. If we do this, I think we should keep it on the public hea= der level, so that it conceptually works like two packets in one.

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Thanks for filing this issue -- I'd like to move the discussion out of t= he PR and to this issue.

On your issue description: I'm not sure that we need to have bilateral a= greement. If the mechanism is simple, and if we think the informat= ion exposed is reasonable, then we could mandate it.

Two issues were raised on PR #609 :

  • Maybe use a known/fixed packet type instead of spin bit. I went back and= forth on this, and I'm leaning towards using a packet type. Irrespective o= f greasing, we have packet types, such as Client Initial, that middleboxes = will want to identify; this type is no different. We need only specify a si= ngle short packet type (with a 4-byte packet number).

  • Specify that this signal is per-path. Endpoints will continue receiving = and sending packets as usual, so the signal will continuously be rallied be= tween the endpoints despite any path changes. A middlebox that is on one of= the two paths will stop or start seeing all packets, and there's nothing a= bout the marked packet that requires it to be the "first" packet. The only = place where it might matter is with multipath, but we're not there= yet.

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There's another use for this bit/packet type -- it gives a data receiver= one RTT sample per round trip, without requiring a PING frame.

BTW, calling it Latency Spin Bit doesn't make sense -- there's positive = or negative spin, no latency spin (unless you're thinking that the endpoint= s could fool the network about path latency with this bit :-))

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> 3. It has substantial byte overhead.
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> 5. It requires a load balancer to do crypto, which add complexity= and
> CPU, as well as introducing another deployment challenge.
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@ekr, co= nceptually I like option 4, but it introduces a bunch of weird options, s= uch as the ability to specify two different connection IDs and packet num= bers in the same packet.

I share the same concern as @ianswett.

If we go for option 4, the server would be required to check that the = connection IDs included in the single packet, or that the types of succee= ding packet headers are not Client Cleartext. Otherwise, it could be used= as an attack vector to cause the server send multiple ServerHellos (of d= ifferent conenction IDs) to a single machine.

So if we are to go for option 4 I would prefer omitting connection ID = and type (which can be implied to be 0-RTT Encrypted) for the succeeding = packet headers.

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Why wouldn't it be enough to simply not allow two ClientInitials in the same packet?

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 * it does not indicate if there is more than 1 range in the frame as
 even if present it may be 0

* the num blocks field is not in the ack block section at all as stated

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  • correct the definition of the ACK FRAME N bit

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> Thanks for filing this issue -- I'd like to move the discussion = out of the
> PR and to this issue.
>
> On your issue description: I'm not sure that we need to have bil= ateral
> agreement. If the mechanism is simple, *and* if we think the informa= tion
> exposed is reasonable, then we could mandate it.
>
reasonable is going to be in the eye of the beholder. In this case rather=
than needing negotiation it might be as simple as saying "if the end= point
does not wish to signal the path then always set the bit to 0". Othe= rwise
you might get less deterministic results :)

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Why wouldn't it be enough to simply not allow two ClientInitials in the = same packet?

Unless there is a guarantee that a single packet does not contain inform= ation about more than one connection (i.e. either only one connection ID is= included in a packet or all the connection IDs included in a packet are id= entical), it would be very difficult for a load balancer to route the packe= t to the correct backend.

That is why I believe that we need to have a requirement that all the co= nnection IDs are identical if we choose option 4.

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I think it makes sense to worry about smuggling-attack-bugs here... so the clear semantics of Ian's option 1 (new type) is the most attractive to me.

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----==_mimepart_5942b8f1b3239_24373fd398981c2c64862-- From nobody Thu Jun 15 10:24:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3291F1273B1 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 10:24:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.396 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.396 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3yYwKqRe1fob for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 10:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6748F126D73 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 10:24:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=SoCrPZx9oaFdt0PK95zEBnWie38=; b=O5aAI+cOw5D1R+Hr nCOzBwCEjpesRu2aD3y88w8DyLVx5y9Sux8tMuDm3l42ubOv/SI0pF2MAEtCbQLy vpZqiHfgEI4epZfPIe9OojI85XWg/tNIdiRsCbCz0RfDdtmNILQ/6rzjhSVSYjxn wlvKK3huEaqkCXvVjfDoSDTcORg= Received: by filter0527p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0527p1mdw1-26730-5942C2C0-85 2017-06-15 17:24:16.998956144 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 8vEadjxeSv2mQeeQN4B1mQ for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 17:24:17.106 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 10:24:17 -0700 From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] handshake and 0rtt data should go into single packet (#630) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5942c2c13db_17a3ff96436fc34436ef"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3nMd9rJtzatGweIDCHhRqBR+sUp8/HbWlz8D gn+h6o/IcrjoULEhUm/Fxb7bN7tpAAswkp8k0QrAoo2BJL0GCwJQLNzQAzrPcinesffmV3dMCxL5kw W3bcfhWWjyw/v5hdu4rSspWIBt1AZBgCh6ieMznsqx5f6un+y/odBoybjCAdVJBEWb9fptrrwLRpgL g= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 17:24:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5942c2c13db_17a3ff96436fc34436ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I think it makes sense to worry about smuggling-attack-bugs here... so the clear semantics of Ian's option 1 (new type) is the most attractive to me. It also has the benefit of simplifing routing and optimizatoins for 0RTT logic to dedicated software / thread or even dedicated hosts while at the same time allowing an implementation to completely ignore 0RTT or 1RTT if so inclined. Also, it falls in line with the idea that the packet type is sufficient to know what keys are involved in packet. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/630#issuecomment-308811830 ----==_mimepart_5942c2c13db_17a3ff96436fc34436ef Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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proposal #1 actually seems extremely different from all other packet types. For instance, does it have an FNV1a authentication tag? If so, does that go after the 0-RTT ciphertext?

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> proposal #1 <https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1> act= ually seems
> extremely different from all other packet types.
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indeed. but having 2 quic packets bundled under one recv() (via 2 long headers) seems even more different to me - losing the transport 1:1
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For instance, does it have an FNV1a authentication tag?
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seems so


> If so, does that go *after* the 0-RTT ciphertext?
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where is it critical (as long as its defined)?

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OK, I guess I don't find it that surprising. That's a feature of DTLS, so it feels familiar to me.

And if we decide to AEAD-encrypt everything under a null key, we'll double-AEAD. ugh...

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----==_mimepart_5942cb60cab84_93953fc5f0227c34638bd-- From nobody Thu Jun 15 11:49:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6217126CE8 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 11:49:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1MdHqem64SHT for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 11:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35F681200CF for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 11:49:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=yf/iVuMn/IqpuF+IIwb3PBp3MBo=; b=PrzCO70MozDHYdjk F1H55bFo6YFdP11bW5FC220c68Y7mPVjhrBFPYq40/2cHP+D0QfEHya2LHoGAYdd +uYE205eLiwcBVaDei1y2K597mNPW5GeA3+R1gkuVbyJD5Kmu22FtoeJ8aVYb5p6 1Ucy+BjbwRYG00rjEDNEIt4w6yQ= Received: by filter1083p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1083p1mdw1-21757-5942D6A3-1 2017-06-15 18:49:07.024734181 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id qNKOx_eHSyev0O4mLzhRtA for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 18:49:06.973 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 11:49:06 -0700 From: Subodh Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] handshake and 0rtt data should go into single packet (#630) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5942d6a2d1ebc_65333f89e6381c3883256"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: siyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0w3d9KSH0dCT6ANCuuPPX0l88Bz6POblKonZ JLnZdUdGX7jsj5dB8V0ZwaGurJJs3AEjErVw8ysNdj4iYzrAH7s8fG3eUqCWtHxBVc8yk21kTAXyXn bBua/fHQ8vdvgTidp7LqbXoW3SmpzHysgCG4GxRJ5cumYd+b9GicOaWre7Lo1bxHjuOJ1Ix3IujKj9 Y= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 18:49:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5942d6a2d1ebc_65333f89e6381c3883256 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I brought this up with @janaiyengar and @Ianswett at Chicago as well. I'm in favor of option 4 as well which is something I also suggested :) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/630#issuecomment-308833755 ----==_mimepart_5942d6a2d1ebc_65333f89e6381c3883256 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I brought this up with @janaiyengar and @ianswett at Chicago as well. I'm in favor of option 4 as well which is something I also suggested :)

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Without option 4 that is with a different packet type, we have to worry = about what attacks are possible if a mitm being is able to change the initi= al packet type and then change the packet split. I don't think This has im= plications to crypto but allowing the split could mess with transport param= eter calculations

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I went back and forth on this, and I'm leaning towards using a packet type. Irrespective of greasing, we have packet types, such as Client Initial, that middleboxes will want to identify; this type is no different. We need only specify a single short packet type (with a 4-byte packet number). This isn't correct. Well, unless that you decide that sending shorter packet numbers isn't necessary every other round trip. Whatever we do here, we're burning a bit on this. Ian made another point being that this needs to be very clear about how to flip the bit locally. Packet reordering will cause extra edges if we aren't careful. Edges need to be driven based on receiving a different bit, but only if the packet number is larger than the last observed bit flip. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@janai= yengar,

Maybe use a known/fixed packet type instead of spin bit. I went back and= forth on this, and I'm leaning towards using a packet type. Irrespective o= f greasing, we have packet types, such as Client Initial, that middleboxes = will want to identify; this type is no different. We need only specify a si= ngle short packet type (with a 4-byte packet number).

This isn't correct. Well, unless that you decide that sending shorter p= acket numbers isn't necessary every other round trip. Whatever we do here,= we're burning a bit on this.

Ian made another point being that this needs to be very clear about how = to flip the bit locally. Packet reordering will cause extra edges if we ar= en't careful. Edges need to be driven based on receiving a different bit, = but only if the packet number is larger than the last observed bit flip.

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Dmitri Tikhonov writes on the mailing list:

"Section 10.1 of draft-ietf-quic-transport-03 states that =E2=80=9CStrea= ms MUST be created in sequential order.=E2=80=9D My question is: why manda= te stream creation order, since the other side may receive out-of-order pac= kets? Let the implementation do what it wants with Stream IDs =E2=80=93 as= long as it does not go over the limit, all should be well.

This phrase is a holdover from the previous version; this requirement se= ems to be unnecessary since issue #435 has been resolved."

I think this is right. Now that we have also replaced concurrent streams= , this seems quite unnecessary. This will clean up some more text, but I wa= nted to air this issue here before turning it into a PR.

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In writing up the unidirectional stream proposal, I concluded that this was still a valuable restriction to have. Besides, creating streams out of order in that model isn't necessary.

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Why would it be optional if the count is 0. That just adds ambiguity. Then it should always be present and the N-bit removed, or it should not be permitted when the count is 0. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/633#issuecomment-308942433 ----==_mimepart_59437726363b0_4f983fb154341c38494c3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

That doesn't make sense to me. Why would it be optional if the count is 0. That just adds ambiguity. Then it should always be present and the N-bit removed, or it should not be permitted when the count is 0.

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----==_mimepart_5943ecefc2dc1_630d3faf10de9c3042762-- From nobody Fri Jun 16 07:45:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ECC1129516 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 07:45:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.183 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.183 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lZhAvY6FvsiN for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 07:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A143913186D for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 07:40:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=z9RUgKb7Bxm34SJpjigFnhCvx6Q=; b=M1CQxzvL7siGnJrU QYXqMkeXIU873Kg2mCvC0z6mlFsBkg2obyJnM1KszYMMDpeZNE25NBQfnd7qpsGV j7u4+J4QsXKRZI86vnqRy0OCcWerHepha/6BnJcojF8WXKO6Qo2WqCXjPWsx1Bal N9qaTLuF8BUTmXHXsMH7J3vM9BU= Received: by filter1134p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1134p1mdw1-31798-5943EDED-20 2017-06-16 14:40:45.688811515 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id WeeLkXMmSxGd0pT8DLMBEg for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 14:40:45.615 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 07:40:45 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Ack frame has two framings that specify a single range (#635) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5943eded7ad30_4fc73fae0fdabc34295c1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak36iPmbTzNKXbpscdB6ZmgzW5MpmZxTVtb4HC gZRxrsKP254TmLpNA3dVQ/mpRqyFSkmd4eE5t4LdxPeniHecKH2Tckzy1j7Cmgym0DsDz+FKFFHO8N ebzMyOibG2307LODYz6AF+aBJUJPukDb3p7N3SnmuAyRdnB/VkIwNpycCFnA+VFIfmzs+6bEQn7Mdd g= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 14:45:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5943eded7ad30_4fc73fae0fdabc34295c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A single ack range can be specified with or without the "num blocks" byte present. It would be nice to only have one way to specify a single range. The obvious options are: 1) Remove the bit that indicates whether num_blocks is present and make it always present. 2) Make the number of blocks read = num_blocks + 1. 3) Do nothing because we don't care. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/635 ----==_mimepart_5943eded7ad30_4fc73fae0fdabc34295c1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

A single ack range can be specified with or without the "num blocks" byte present. It would be nice to only have one way to specify a single range.

The obvious options are:

  1. Remove the bit that indicates whether num_blocks is present and make it always present.
  2. Make the number of blocks read = num_blocks + 1.
  3. Do nothing because we don't care.

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From an editorial perspective, I can see this as an improvement, even though I was initially confused.

I would like to only have one way to represent a single range, so I opened issue #635

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----==_mimepart_5943edfb6b02_26d3fcdb65b3c2c392a4-- From nobody Fri Jun 16 07:47:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 346B0131996 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 07:47:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.397 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.397 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dJ5z3PlO-Bow for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 07:47:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0694713184B for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 07:42:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=Zo5rV0w9DOShdrZLbQXi4/Bn4vo=; b=MiAiq4LShseR4T/w UpQRNie32y9ne9p/kZ+raQx+fC5ekWQrpTH5uebAY2338d0XDnNnOiNMpaLBkHeR cewq4524HqBD5uLgK1lQkKbnJWvWX9wYw4yvD1VFqANI1J7l5wAv0BhNNxR1WgCI Jdq8F+Rhk1H9WE+Nl8Mz/1IPJig= Received: by filter0458p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0458p1mdw1-22350-5943EE13-40 2017-06-16 14:41:23.352291688 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id hvBZCRhiRaSiwfnh3RnoIg for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 14:41:23.388 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 07:41:23 -0700 From: Brian Trammell Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Explicit support for on-path calculation of loss and congestion of QUIC flows (#632) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5943ee133dcb5_205f3fe5462b9c2c77530"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: britram X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3ZVBlKN/p70MXLQuURZ9LXx1j8ZJOMCsScsr p/zxCSENK9XXWqgxnb6fr7fqvTJeKLsltp67F7TI/2pitYZivo/jua6KbfwQs59n/evP0q43XOCDLC DygLM/uCf8ZSj7zAhyH7D61F3McuPlzjLm/Q7TmGp6INgkgH6rrb/94gHtJ3CuG6P+VeX7FsOizlTF 8= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 14:47:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5943ee133dcb5_205f3fe5462b9c2c77530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, this is to cover loss estimation. We didn't discuss this at the interim, but it did come up in my survey of exported, passively measured metrics. This is here for completeness. It's less important to react to loss on a per-flow basis than it is latency, though. So as long as (1) we can assume UDP and TCP traffic are treated equivalently by the link/queue at which the loss occurs and (2) there is some TCP traffic through that link/queue, inference-based observation of TCP will continue to work. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/632#issuecomment-309044294 ----==_mimepart_5943ee133dcb5_205f3fe5462b9c2c77530 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, this is to cover loss estimation. We didn't discuss this at the int= erim, but it did come up in my survey of exported, passively measured metri= cs. This is here for completeness.

It's less important to react to loss on a per-flow basis than it is late= ncy, though. So as long as (1) we can assume UDP and TCP traffic are treate= d equivalently by the link/queue at which the loss occurs and (2) there is = some TCP traffic through that link/queue, inference-based observation of TC= P will continue to work.

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I suggest that we open a bigger issue called "Reconsider ACK Frame Encoding" because this is only one of a bunch of complaints I have about it.

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> Maybe use a known/fixed packet type instead of spin bit. I went back= and
> forth on this, and I'm leaning towards using a packet type. Irre= spective of
> greasing, we have packet types, such as Client Initial, that middleb= oxes
> will want to identify; this type is no different. We need only speci= fy a
> single short packet type (with a 4-byte packet number).
>
> This isn't correct. Well, unless that you decide that sending sh= orter
> packet numbers isn't necessary every other round trip. Whatever = we do here,
> we're burning a bit on this.
>

Yes, that's what I said above -- burn bits on having a 4-byte packet<= br> number. This is a 2-byte overhead per RTT, which is fine. We don't ha= ve to
burn an entire bit.

Ian made another point being that this needs to be very clear about how t= o
> flip the bit locally. Packet reordering will cause extra edges if we= aren't
> careful. Edges need to be driven based on receiving a different bit,= but
> only if the packet number is larger than the last observed bit flip.=
>
I don't think this matters (or maybe I'm missing something). I do= n't think
we need to make this more complicated than it is. A middlebox is basicall= y
recording the time of this signal in one direction, and measuring RTT whe= n
it sees the signal in the opposite direction. I don't see why reorder= ing
matters here... the measured time is clearly a network RTT measurement.
Perhaps you're assuming that the middlebox needs to see the "lar= gest" RTT,
but I think that assumes too much. RTT measurements at endpoints have to = be
more careful, since RTT is basically tied entirely to retransmissions, bu= t
I wouldn't presume that a middlebox wants something so specific.


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> As I mentioned in the PR, I think we can deal with reordering by
> specifying the spin to be sent is based on the spin of the largest rec= eived
> packet(for a given path) instead of the last received packet.
>

Sorry, I missed this. As I said in my earlier response, you're assumin= g
that the middlebox needs to see the "largest" RTT, but I think th= at assumes
too much. RTT measurements at endpoints have to use the largest RTT, since<= br> RTT is basically tied entirely to retransmissions. I don't think that&#= 39;s
necessarily what a middlebox would want. I would go with the simplest
mechanism. If there's substantial reordering, the middlebox should see = two
distinct RTTs over several rounds. The middlebox can deal with anomalies
(by using appropriate filters, min/max/avg/ewma) based on what exactly it wants to do with the RTT measurement.

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Since the algorithm from Christian's PR is not described in this issue= , I'll describe it as best I can, because I think there are two different= algorithms that people may have in their minds, and I'm worried it's cau= sing confusion.

There are two roles, the initiator, who flips the spin value, and the = responder, who reflects the spin value.

  1. The initiator sends a value on a flight of packets(ie: 0)
  2. The responder reflects back the 0.
  3. When the initiator receives the first 0, it starts sending out 1's.
  4. The responder reflects back the 1's.
  5. The initiator starts sending 0's once it receives a 1, and goto 2.

This means the spin signal may be present on any packet type, though w= e could decide to make it present only in 1RTT packets if we wanted to co= nserve packet types.

The reordering issue I was concerned about is if either side sees 1111= 010000 instead of 111110000 as it was sent, then I was proposing it shoul= d treat the packets as though they'd arrived in order, which make the bit= s sequential again and the responder would reflect 1111000000. Otherwise= any reordering permanently sticks around and at some point, it may look = like noise instead of an RTT signal.

The original design I had in mind was that one packet would be marked = with the spin bit, initially sent by the connection initiator, and it wou= ld ping-pong back and forth. This design is more friendly to designating= a single packet type instead of using a dedicated bit, but it takes more= work to deal with packet loss, since one side needs to re-start the sign= al if the packet with the spin bit set is lost. On the other hand, reord= ering doesn't need anything special.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -827,6 +848,24 @@ Implementations MUST assume that an unsupported version uses an unknown packet
 format. All other fields MUST be ignored when processing a packet that contains
 an unsupported version.
 
+## Latency Spin Bit
+
+The latency spin bit enables latency monitoring from observation points on
+the network path. This bit is set as follow:
+
+* The connection responder sets the spin bit value to the value of the
+  spin bit in the last packet received from the connection initiator.

The terminology elsewhere appears to be Client and Server, not Connecton Initiator and Connection Responder, although I prefer the latter since the protocol is not necessarily used in a client-server setup.

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The connection close is sent as a sort of last resort on errors, but may also a clean shutdown or at least a controlled shutdown. The current transmission and recovery drafts do not appear to guide the behavior in these different schenarios, notably if, how and when to retransmit connection close.

The problem with this is a potentially unnecessary risk of hung connections that wait for long idle timeouts on packet loss. This can badly influence latency sensitive services.

One option would be to send multiple packets a short time apart when possible and practical. The second close packet could be prepared and thus most connection state can be torn down immediately.

The GO_AWAY frame can be use when a shutdown is controlled, but it does not handle any error codes and does not handle when there really is an unrecoverable error.

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This is covered in draft, I just missed it.

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Suggest that all unprocted server packets reflect both SCID and CCID until client sends at least one packet with SCID, or until 1RTT handshake.


0                   1                   2                   3
 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|1|   Type (7)  |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                                                               |
+                       Connection ID (64)                      +
|                                                               |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                                                               |
+                                CCID (64)                      +
|                                                               |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
...

This will

  • make clear text handshake robust against address spoofing.
  • allow client side load balancers to route packets to client side backend.
  • simplify implementations by always having an ID to associate the connection with.connection.
  • allow handshake error packets that are robust against adversarial off-path reset attempts.
  • allow implementations to not rely on unique 5-tuples when both endpoints agree (e.g. high speed net map implementations), and to easier reject suspicious on-path packets.
  • reduce reliance on robustness of NAT middle boxes.

Note: a client could embed in the CCID in handshake data on stream 0, but the handshake can span multiple packets and will not support client side load balancers. The CCID field can be ommitted for certain packet types such as client initial and stateless retry, but it might not be worth the complexity - and then CCID can reflect the Connection ID.

The extra CCID should be removed for all 1RTT protected communication. Path migration should also provide a similar linkage from old to new, but it must be in encrypted form.

Some concerns are already being addressed by reflecting the packet number and / or the CCID in some flows, but it is does not cover all cases in a unified form.

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----==_mimepart_5946541f4870d_78af3f874ef7fc3c4882-- From nobody Sun Jun 18 03:40:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB66129B09 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2017 03:40:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PBLqr8Y__-aS for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2017 03:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 153A5129B06 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2017 03:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 03:40:09 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1497782409; bh=0JDjLhMDVy2keEKZMFef7uSo5i4sE+EwGKihvibL4aE=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xxquxFbzvthXniEePnpKoHpEmZf4L2uuyaw63sDkoSkfJffHO+7ubKxo0KbLzSuPW FRKSGMFXWunVEJQ8M/Dfe916JAkvM2dQT0ct20UV7hiLBtZsOPHjTINRWFd0ezXvLH sDYtcIitQ9DjXKIByitMrpVm5ysK1kIetov93UFA= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Suggest linking CCID to SCID (#637) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5946588969d50_56963fc9ec5c5c387093d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 10:40:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5946588969d50_56963fc9ec5c5c387093d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An alternative option might be to keep using CCID as the Connection ID in both directions until 1RTT handshake where a new SCID is provided in the handshake encrypted. This would avoid the extra CCID field but still deal with all of the above points, I believe. However, it is not clear to if there are reasons to have SCID online before handshake. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/637#issuecomment-309269468 ----==_mimepart_5946588969d50_56963fc9ec5c5c387093d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

An alternative option might be to keep using CCID as the Connection ID= in both directions until 1RTT handshake where a new SCID is provided in = the handshake encrypted. This would avoid the extra CCID field but still = deal with all of the above points, I believe.

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As I indicated earlier, I would prefer to fold the CCID into a MAC rather than reflect it. That's more consistent with our general idiom for preventing packet injection, which is the authentication tag.

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it is after Stream ID

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Change STREAM and RST_STREAM layout
Add MAX_STREAM_ID settings

Based on https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/quic/mCToZ3rZqfoqAK9TCEs9pvsYrBo

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Adding CCID to the MAC would solve some of the issues listed without t= aking up additional space.

However, it is fairly simple to support a high number of client reques= ts from a single port using the above proposal. This could avoid issues w= ith ephemeral port exhaustion and would allow for a simple OS interface i= n high volume configurations.

"Limits Implied by the Ephemeral Port Range"
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -827,6 +848,24 @@ Implementations MUST assume that an unsupported version uses an unknown packet
 format. All other fields MUST be ignored when processing a packet that contains
 an unsupported version.
 
+## Latency Spin Bit
+
+The latency spin bit enables latency monitoring from observation points on
+the network path. This bit is set as follow:
+
+* The connection responder sets the spin bit value to the value of the
+  spin bit in the last packet received from the connection initiator.

"connection initiator" and "connection responder" are just pretentious ways of saying client and server. We happily use client-server protocols in non-client-server arrangements all the time.

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@ianswett= , it seems like watching for edges is more robust than having a single-= bit signal.

@janai= yengar, if there is any value in having a shorter packet number, then y= ou just proposed halving that value. Either that or you created incentive = not to implement this scheme. Just spend the bit. The single packet type = only works in Ian's proposed alternative design, but that design isn't anyw= here near as robust.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -827,6 +848,24 @@ Implementations MUST assume that an unsupported version uses an unknown packet
 format. All other fields MUST be ignored when processing a packet that contains
 an unsupported version.
 
+## Latency Spin Bit
+
+The latency spin bit enables latency monitoring from observation points on
+the network path. This bit is set as follow:
+
+* The connection responder sets the spin bit value to the value of the
+  spin bit in the last packet received from the connection initiator.

Martin, initiator and responder are certainly equivalent to client and server when the application is HTTP. Not necessarily so is other applications, e.g. DNS or Web RTC. But as you seem to feel strongly about it, lets use Client and Server in the PR to make it consistent with the rest of the document.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We could certainly work with packet types instead of dedicated bits. The intermediate nodes would need to observe transitions of the first octet instead of looking at just one bit. But then, we also have a proposal to grease the first octet, for example by doing an XOR with a function of the last byte. That type of greasing would randomize the first octet. So we have a choice: if we want to grease the first octet, we need to dedicate a bit that is exempted from the greasing. If we don't then we can use a packet type. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/631#issuecomment-309332099 ----==_mimepart_594749ae2d45a_60e53ff95e293c30510fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We could certainly work with packet types instead of dedicated bits. T= he intermediate nodes would need to observe transitions of the first octe= t instead of looking at just one bit. But then, we also have a proposal t= o grease the first octet, for example by doing an XOR with a function of = the last byte. That type of greasing would randomize the first octet. So = we have a choice: if we want to grease the first octet, we need to dedica= te a bit that is exempted from the greasing. If we don't then we can use = a packet type.

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= ----==_mimepart_594749ae2d45a_60e53ff95e293c30510fb-- From nobody Sun Jun 18 20:54:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03901277BB for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2017 20:54:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.396 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.396 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h7U8h0HKVo3R for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2017 20:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA8481275AB for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2017 20:54:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=YhGAlt/oo6liXFXOaP/mjp+YLJs=; b=f9Mpw9niZb48YDvg vZhLWsM5Ch0pj2yPlPTwrjMvkfOjobkaPxAjP2ndyPjln25NL3Hp471I/FpYaUIR I7UtDkObyrcsCfkLg03qVOGisQZKYYURmNa+4rdG6tYAfprF25AalM7luh4L6jzj tVzYA+t4sWJ0qmBRTWZATFOQPKw= Received: by filter0464p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0464p1mdw1-6037-59474AE8-17 2017-06-19 03:54:16.486441734 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id IuTvrBihTeq67t7F9T9O_g for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 03:54:16.515 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 20:54:16 -0700 From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Explicit support for on-path calculation of loss and congestion of QUIC flows (#632) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59474ae85e034_320b3f7e1973fc2c70723"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2LqYUMN/aIedlI+1wiqDYLc4C1wCzHQ7XErn 1pvQ6WiyN6u9kvrbe8QGwKNXjuq0aWmI5rmvXLbVZQnCjw5xyFd/nbub0jDHVXt8jl7o1KQSHzxe2i PYcPWbS4tvFH0CS+FbH5BBtHKycVwS1RWZi6yxf4nc0kO/R5FgxyiL190YAMaMPFRTfYL6CdY4EmY0 8= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 03:54:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59474ae85e034_320b3f7e1973fc2c70723 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian, how important really is this loss estimation? I don't think that losses can really be estimated by watching the congestion window. The variations of that window will depend on the specific algorithm implemented by the nodes, and also on the actual load. If this is really important, we may need to dedicate a "loss bit" in addition to the "latency bit". -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/632#issuecomment-309332680 ----==_mimepart_59474ae85e034_320b3f7e1973fc2c70723 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Brian, how important really is this loss estimation? I don't think that = losses can really be estimated by watching the congestion window. The varia= tions of that window will depend on the specific algorithm implemented by t= he nodes, and also on the actual load. If this is really important, we may = need to dedicate a "loss bit" in addition to the "latency bit".

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= ----==_mimepart_59474ae85e034_320b3f7e1973fc2c70723-- From nobody Sun Jun 18 21:06:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E801273E2 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2017 21:06:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vyOu_KbM2AJL for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2017 21:06:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext8.iad.github.net [192.30.252.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 98942124C27 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2017 21:06:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 21:06:38 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1497845198; bh=3A58TTkGWWxWL6or+kw1DRZ2oSt3NHFzFKp4L3iXhzU=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Lcw4SX8CdlIx5GTTtNlE9EWmqmU3YCNBkdpayvfO/BwRqSKSrtBEIf+Er8gzuoPrD +L3zArn1qozmY5VtXdLu+o2WjyRARW6/HaMlhUBSrZI9d2RVtPbcaHhZPNQxDmpLiR xXZWR1Rrr5PnJ/53wZf6yrkBvEkI5Bmr9CTbJTfM= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Explicit support for on-path calculation of RTT of QUIC flows (#631) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59474dcee805c_42553fc1ee449c3433560"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 04:06:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59474dcee805c_42553fc1ee449c3433560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why do you say that the flip bit needs to be exempt from greasing? It's not like the intermediary is unable to reverse the greased transform as proposed. If greasing == encryption then that would be a whole different story of course. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/631#issuecomment-309333858 ----==_mimepart_59474dcee805c_42553fc1ee449c3433560 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Why do you say that the flip bit needs to be exempt from greasing? It= 's not like the intermediary is unable to reverse the greased transform a= s proposed. If greasing =3D=3D encryption then that would be a whole dif= ferent story of course.

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= ----==_mimepart_59474dcee805c_42553fc1ee449c3433560-- From nobody Sun Jun 18 21:21:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE66124C27 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2017 21:21:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pHrFYGBELEJy for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2017 21:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7A07120227 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2017 21:21:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=+ifJEEvLw6irjCd9gGMTarVBHQ0=; b=UkjdEtWeX4Ei57Yf YBuDZ9/acMLBVUeoDtCFbPVMVKkpycg23DL+sdViXQt4he2T3Npuiqim50RFizUB dbp31+QVn78HR0BasS0w4Ygm7XPcbjUHVS+1MTqI8u5oDEqgHkuKoSR3vyCaVn67 t730u5+6dJwDLDGjZbxB0t/2ePI= Received: by filter0927p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0927p1mdw1-29739-59475132-46 2017-06-19 04:21:06.959342964 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id dn7FdpiUQ-W00BoUsnbqyg for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 04:21:06.945 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 21:21:06 -0700 From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Explicit support for on-path calculation of RTT of QUIC flows (#631) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59475132c6a4c_6aad3fba181a1c304914c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0Le1shMgYuWX2nSwYFNqa+liI3ks2dKZgnCf dmmLIl3T5jZ5EgjwklWQUh/OFL3Gr5wwiqfYT1wzoWy0QzhQmjH3v1MO9ajXCjPSpl2qgIkdPZpxpy rlcro1uSihHuQEyF2S1sIYgjl8drbFeVQFXFaQKcUbvamv/ZML/tx8vRoQQiY137zq1j/sYr3vtmJR E= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 04:21:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59475132c6a4c_6aad3fba181a1c304914c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, yes we can say that the latency bit should be exempt from "encrypted greasing". If greasing is easily decrypted by middle-boxes, then of course there is no issue. But then, I don't believe that a form of greasing that is easily decrypted is particularly useful. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/631#issuecomment-309335223 ----==_mimepart_59475132c6a4c_6aad3fba181a1c304914c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

OK, yes we can say that the latency bit should be exempt from "encrypted= greasing". If greasing is easily decrypted by middle-boxes, then of course= there is no issue. But then, I don't believe that a form of greasing that = is easily decrypted is particularly useful.

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----==_mimepart_594772f267db5_10173fd581f33c34112f7-- From nobody Mon Jun 19 00:27:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA2C2127BA3 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 00:27:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YopVgU-KIhnw for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 00:27:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5AF91277BB for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 00:27:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=xIJTEIs2uvaIFAbmZS/ZZNEXAFE=; b=tT2eo7vsRpDBu5au T2UnQBOXUPooLXOqf7k/ueab883bzIDAR4ttBpuY2JGWHTzJIojde2nkXlnJZz3n vz3d0ZB/X4JUEcYAjWKNbylVMdbh3wbt1OfI1nP14ovNweUN8QG37O/VQUITTitP 0xedzQjuN/zPBSZI88SIyaERphk= Received: by filter0471p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0471p1mdw1-6271-59477CC6-29 2017-06-19 07:27:02.54176951 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id -bYJDEPUTC2G5Jgpl2AAqQ for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 07:27:02.526 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 00:27:02 -0700 From: Brian Trammell Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Explicit support for on-path calculation of loss and congestion of QUIC flows (#632) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59477cc65f989_66003fb7b3549c3c887af"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: britram X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3uCM3r4tFkFLxBGzTS5uLu/sTgyPs7f5+t9G HnvBW1oLWPQXx/zNPqzuBWRZGiGE3VZqEc/WhMfTOL7chBydL6qcvq/OGez/wKSEPRUvQZWpG7JGQa zo/DW/0a6Gwwg3UtlKnPqU5MiU1wD+s9E6sG6KIjuwKEAAf3c9+5xV6i/2dOOiPQZYGP1CZCSK4goa s= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 07:27:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59477cc65f989_66003fb7b3549c3c887af Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Loss measurement is currently useful in a couple of network troubleshooting and capacity planning tasks: isolating congested links (and upgrading or shifting load away from them), as well as differentiating actual loss at the link layer from congestion (and repairing lossy links). It is useful to measure these conditions both on one's own network (where you can repair them yourself) as well as isolating them to some upstream or downstream path on other networks (so you can work to shift traffic away from those networks). Universal deployment of useful AQM + ECN would both reduce the absolute magnitude of the congestion problem as well as make loss and congestion easily distinguishable. I'm optimistic about the time horizon here, but it's still measured on the order of decades. You're right that the inference-based method, assuming that flight size reduction is loss- or congestion-signal related, is not a very high-fidelity signal, and may be useless depending on how the sender does transmission scheduling. So if we're serious about supporting this, I think we do need to take a good look at the ConEx mechanism and see if there's a low-overhead way to support it in QUIC. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/632#issuecomment-309360150 ----==_mimepart_59477cc65f989_66003fb7b3549c3c887af Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Loss measurement is currently useful in a couple of network troubleshoot= ing and capacity planning tasks: isolating congested links (and upgrading o= r shifting load away from them), as well as differentiating actual loss at = the link layer from congestion (and repairing lossy links). It is useful to= measure these conditions both on one's own network (where you can repair t= hem yourself) as well as isolating them to some upstream or downstream path= on other networks (so you can work to shift traffic away from those networ= ks).

Universal deployment of useful AQM + ECN would both reduce the absolute = magnitude of the congestion problem as well as make loss and congestion eas= ily distinguishable. I'm optimistic about the time horizon here, but it's s= till measured on the order of decades.

You're right that the inference-based method, assuming that flight size = reduction is loss- or congestion-signal related, is not a very high-fidelit= y signal, and may be useless depending on how the sender does transmission = scheduling. So if we're serious about supporting this, I think we do need t= o take a good look at the ConEx mechanism and see if there's a low-overhead= way to support it in QUIC.

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= ----==_mimepart_59477cc65f989_66003fb7b3549c3c887af-- From nobody Mon Jun 19 00:34:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5AA1127BA3 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 00:34:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.396 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.396 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k6fHmSYjJJsc for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 00:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 084BF1277BB for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 00:34:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=bqwmoHuKh64v7vhPElNnD4Lf6Sw=; b=diAIegpihRag7JGG PAQTZQbep+3gtYeyPkiI4CY/yCuOuLb1dehP6Bccv/9Yff8UbTdIUacfHArE17gE Jz6rW/uRtFyx04Y94N7QW/UqiWV4TS92T+f7FsAVRJaQPPT9jOGbmcBHe7JySqBq ShW0SXCceqZLj0ILmZE/WtGdnBY= Received: by filter0416p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0416p1mdw1-10695-59477E83-3F 2017-06-19 07:34:27.986225939 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id wvAOv0YtRpK6nSEoLRlc0w for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 07:34:27.956 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 00:34:27 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Explicit support for on-path calculation of loss and congestion of QUIC flows (#632) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59477e83d5035_23013f99da2f5c3479770"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1RoZxnsKdSOgRZN7MLJjoZoDjL8LzvjeoGOG F5P1SY4uJpgRgv78aN5mZ8caZMlWQ+4xMVYmmx2MvpLNpAOc1Ss/QLB0MOE9OlNjtxLVrMGgUMUp+P WaGRAw0sfWb96uBBeqpsOLumZldsz7UIgNL3zr+2ZjEgUP6R/Hhlip1cCkgVVQeI1YRfLpuKJ+KUMa I= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 07:34:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59477e83d5035_23013f99da2f5c3479770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it's actually a feature that loss information is NOT explicitly visible with QUIC, because packet loss ratio is a pretty useless metric in the first place. (The 5G people still dream about the "lossless" network, no matter how little sense that makes.) With RTT-scale delay information and if we - say - required QUIC to try and negotiate ECN, those two signals (esp. correlated) are much more useful. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/632#issuecomment-309361550 ----==_mimepart_59477e83d5035_23013f99da2f5c3479770 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think it's actually a feature that loss information is NOT explicitly = visible with QUIC, because packet loss ratio is a pretty useless metric in = the first place. (The 5G people still dream about the "lossless" network, n= o matter how little sense that makes.)

With RTT-scale delay information and if we - say - required QUIC to try = and negotiate ECN, those two signals (esp. correlated) are much more useful= .

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----==_mimepart_5947808438491_58013fc1079b7c3093354-- From nobody Mon Jun 19 00:44:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F150129404 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 00:44:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U8Mljrp7RrdT for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 00:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5790128B91 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 00:44:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=DfEzkMyWBDWnfLNzWTiF6l8om+k=; b=MvAUQGZImfbcculB 9PFHFZuUyfjLnAL85O27fQWgNAeSwclDJUD/a46/CpsDz+ez/jNEImHmEhmP3YGf +dqHVdjlUDkMYmAAof6oA8ncuKIDnDKKoZC9n8DcmgSjpNAA4J1yhzMSsjUNd4nB g+pCFZBIyPNIrBYVJ47WGEcHj3Y= Received: by filter0602p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0602p1mdw1-4962-594780E3-3B 2017-06-19 07:44:35.952311489 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 5ywccEvcReCChlGpzdlI1w for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 07:44:35.903 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 00:44:35 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Update note well in CONTRIBUTING.md for 8179 (#641) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_594780e3bff01_1f9033fe310a4bc3428793"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3ZPvA3Mvb6pD0AJ4w8iuxAuvkFCnpSSB6+WA LLcbi12QSfRykpaus9K9ZIcrjaiuWY7xt79V9WXHIPbTeMupzFXO7MKVGrYCAjdLoLGRcezyWE8b47 OmGAoCXRG33flVXxGESWKRU++A3V63QmPOvtb3AvTAOfs8yfsn5fvKriizd06FXgiJIrMJICG2dX8M M= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 07:44:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_594780e3bff01_1f9033fe310a4bc3428793 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Such is the virtue of using BCP links. I don't have to update the template, it's just QUIC that has the busted link. Of course, the BCP link is one click further away from the real content. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/641#issuecomment-309363652 ----==_mimepart_594780e3bff01_1f9033fe310a4bc3428793 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Such is the virtue of using BCP links. I don't have to update the template, it's just QUIC that has the busted link. Of course, the BCP link is one click further away from the real content.

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I've seen one case when this would have been nice to have, but I think there are other ways to monitor loss that are more useful(ie: I'm seeing a lot of loss at this peering point, etc). Brian, I believe you mentioned writing up a proposal for an extended 'debug' header that would not be default enabled, but be available for detailed network debugging. If we were to adopt that, I think loss would be helpful there. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/632#issuecomment-309447071 ----==_mimepart_5947d7f56c629_3ce13fdf0f3ebc2c10523a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I believe a single bit for loss would be extremely low fidelity, because= losses are commonly correlated, so it may actually be more misinformation = than information.

I've seen one case when this would have been nice to have, but I think t= here are other ways to monitor loss that are more useful(ie: I'm seeing a l= ot of loss at this peering point, etc).

Brian, I believe you mentioned writing up a proposal for an extended 'de= bug' header that would not be default enabled, but be available for detaile= d network debugging. If we were to adopt that, I think loss would be helpf= ul there.

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Right. This is perhaps feedback we should give for the IETF website (https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well.html gives RFC numbers and links by RFC number as well...)

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There is a real issue here. Say that a sender sends 100 packets with 8-= bit packet numbers. That's perfectly OK according to the rules in the draf= t.

If the sender then immediately send another 1000 packets while those 100= are outstanding, the new packets will have 16-bit packet numbers. But the= sender can't retroactively increase the size of the packet numbers of pack= ets already sent. And those packets might be reordered with respect to the= se newer packets.

If a packet from the set with 8-bit packet numbers is delayed and arrive= s after receiving a higher numbered packet from the 1000 packets, then the = shorter packet number could be decoded incorrectly. For example, assuming = the recommended decoding algorithm, packet 16 encoded on 8 bits will be inc= orrectly decoded as packet 272 if packet 144 or higher has been received.

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Let me try to describe what this does, and what it doesn't do. ## Transport Changes Streams are unidirectional. Each has three states: idle, open, and closed. I separated the transitions for sending and receiving because that turned out to be easier to explain. The reordering thing makes them different in subtle ways. That's all. The changes in transport are relatively small and they simplify streams a lot. That it also makes the transport more generic is a nice bonus. ## HTTP Changes This is where the bulk of the changes are. ### Stream Correlation Previously request and response were implicitly correlated, as was the data correlated with the request or response headers. With this change, that correlation each stream has a header that explicitly correlates these. There are 5 types of stream: connection control, request, response, data, and push. The first two have a simple header that has a type. The next two reference another stream in their header, which ties request to response and data to request or response. Push references a response stream and a PUSH_PROMISE on that stream. I chose backward references rather than forward references for two reasons. First, request and response correlation can't use forward references because that would mean the client would be exerting (uncoordinated) control over server streams. Second, that gives the server the most flexibility in terms of how it answers requests (see #281). The cost of using backward references is that endpoints have to check that the backward references aren't bad, either referencing the wrong type of stream, or with multiple references to the same stream. The presence or absence of a message body is signaled after the initial header block using a HAS_BODY frame. This empty frame indicates that another stream will include the body of the message - or a promise for a body. I would like to eliminate this stream split. See #245 and #557 for more details on that, though we need to fix #176 first, which brings us back to QPACK/QCRAM again. ### Prioritization This changes prioritization so that it identifies requests. I only made the minimal changes here, which means that this doesn't fix #441 at the same time, I've left that for later (see below). ### Cancelling Pushes Because server push doesn't create streams with PUSH_PROMISE, I had to create a way to cancel them between the time that the PUSH_PROMISE is sent and when the push stream is created. That's called RST_PUSH. ## Things That Need Improvement I haven't based this on #171. I think that functionality is good, but the last time I looked at the PR I didn't like some of the changes Mike made there. (That's a taste thing.) This really assumes that we accept something very much like #171. This really needs QPACK/QCRAM. Right now, it is impossible to cancel some types of request using RST_STREAM because not all messages will have a body (#176 again). On balance, given that bodies are what you really want to kill, it's not disastrous, but it's a problem nonetheless. I think that we all agree that this is something that we need to fix, but we haven't reached the point where we agree on the details of the fix. ## Things That Want Improvement This also really wants headers and data on the same stream . It doesn't exactly need that, but merging the streams would make things a lot easy, both conceptually and structurally. I chose the simplest possible encoding for all of the fields that I touched. That means that stream IDs are all 32 bits in size and the HAS_BODY frame takes an entire 9 octets. For things that are that common, there are many ways in which byte efficiency could be improved. I chose to use stream ID (and PUSH_PROMISE indexes) to correlate things rather than mint a new identifier. It's tempting to move to an explicit identifier for correlation, which might contribute to fixing other issues (see discussion on priority and #441 above). This would simplify RST_PUSH as well. # Fixes Closes #515, #240, #281, #175. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/643 -- Commit Summary -- * WIP * Initial cut at unidirectional streams * Fix PRIORITY to refer to requests * RST_PUSH frame for early cancellation of pushes * This was a common misunderstanding with h2 * Lazy -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (493) M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (290) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/643.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/643.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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This is a fairly fundamental change. Let me try to describe what this d= oes, and what it doesn't do.

Transport Changes

Streams are unidirectional. Each has three states: idle, open, and clos= ed. I separated the transitions for sending and receiving because that tur= ned out to be easier to explain. The reordering thing makes them different= in subtle ways.

That's all. The changes in transport are relatively small and they simp= lify streams a lot. That it also makes the transport more generic is a nic= e bonus.

HTTP Changes

This is where the bulk of the changes are.

Stream Correlation

Previously request and response were implicitly correlated, as was the d= ata correlated with the request or response headers. With this change, tha= t correlation each stream has a header that explicitly correlates these.

There are 5 types of stream: connection control, request, response, data= , and push. The first two have a simple header that has a type. The next = two reference another stream in their header, which ties request to respons= e and data to request or response. Push references a response stream and a= PUSH_PROMISE on that stream.

I chose backward references rather than forward references for two reaso= ns. First, request and response correlation can't use forward references b= ecause that would mean the client would be exerting (uncoordinated) control= over server streams. Second, that gives the server the most flexibility i= n terms of how it answers requests (see #281). The cost of using backward references is that en= dpoints have to check that the backward references aren't bad, either refer= encing the wrong type of stream, or with multiple references to the same st= ream.

The presence or absence of a message body is signaled after the initial = header block using a HAS_BODY frame. This empty frame indicates that anoth= er stream will include the body of the message - or a promise for a body. = I would like to eliminate this stream split. See #245 and #557 for more details on that, though we need to fix #176 first, which brings u= s back to QPACK/QCRAM again.

Prioritization

This changes prioritization so that it identifies requests. I only made= the minimal changes here, which means that this doesn't fix #441 at the same time, I've left th= at for later (see below).

Cancelling Pushes

Because server push doesn't create streams with PUSH_PROMISE, I had to c= reate a way to cancel them between the time that the PUSH_PROMISE is sent a= nd when the push stream is created. That's called RST_PUSH.

Things That Need Improvement

I haven't based this on = #171. I think that functionality is good, but the last time I looked a= t the PR I didn't like some of the changes Mike made there. (That's a tast= e thing.) This really assumes that we accept something very much like #171.

This really needs QPACK/QCRAM. Right now, it is impossible to cancel so= me types of request using RST_STREAM because not all messages will have a b= ody (#176 again). On= balance, given that bodies are what you really want to kill, it's not disa= strous, but it's a problem nonetheless. I think that we all agree that thi= s is something that we need to fix, but we haven't reached the point where = we agree on the details of the fix.

Things That Want Improvement

This also really wants headers and data on the same stream . It doesn't= exactly need that, but merging the streams would make things a lot easy, b= oth conceptually and structurally.

I chose the simplest possible encoding for all of the fields that I touc= hed. That means that stream IDs are all 32 bits in size and the HAS_BODY f= rame takes an entire 9 octets. For things that are that common, there are = many ways in which byte efficiency could be improved.

I chose to use stream ID (and PUSH_PROMISE indexes) to correlate things = rather than mint a new identifier. It's tempting to move to an explicit id= entifier for correlation, which might contribute to fixing other issues (se= e discussion on priority and #441 above). This would simplify RST_PUSH as well.

Fixes

Closes #515, #240, #281, #175.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  h= ttps://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/643

Commit Summary

  • WIP
  • Initial cut at unidirectional streams
  • Fix PRIORITY to refer to requests
  • RST_PUSH frame for early cancellation of pushes
  • This was a common misunderstanding with h2
  • Lazy

File Changes

Patch Links:

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----==_mimepart_5948bf7cb279c_19a93f7fa401fc3025085-- From nobody Tue Jun 20 00:14:47 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 051DA128DE7 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 00:14:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yyq0dre2Mg5L for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 00:14:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E440A1287A3 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 00:14:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=dy3K6CcD0OK7c98KrzbG+82olpY=; b=Wc+nOenqkLm6BRiU pHsOMBofZayh3zI2Qg+lLNXMOpQxUJFqupcFK25ZmtIGtjezaYzldSQghRHLyZUw rWyDh6nDXbiQT0kXcQDEzbdR8dKQD3Gy6RJKCpbtzh/a6jSrYqItIZUIKX+z7GhA 3nyfD8VEnqeqYaYCmBkIuqpywGg= Received: by filter0504p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0504p1mdw1-7455-5948CB62-29 2017-06-20 07:14:42.664007941 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id aFprydDfTrOC37cGjJjPmg for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 07:14:42.635 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 00:14:42 -0700 From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Unidirectional Streams (#643) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5948cb6286b04_3efa3fc58db8bc3418627"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2fnjneG6BKJor7Rm1I8ovnsS6aiZe5PguoTG K9O7j17F09PjI6Z2p9HGkbxhpOQIezJZ8QeC08xlaHN9B+b+CRufiHCL43Vtq1Q67qjgKYTuiw5LCb YaFJ3nx6OTPPIF0V8PShjBntBggkDkUmFV8x8ipfyDDMzkHADCeTyNwJ4Ww8SojvWBehZ6ZDVONybv o= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 07:14:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5948cb6286b04_3efa3fc58db8bc3418627 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mikkelfj commented on this pull request. > -Sending or receiving a STREAM or RST_STREAM frame causes the identified stream -to become "open". The stream identifier for a new stream is selected as -described in {{stream-id}}. A RST_STREAM frame, or a STREAM frame with the FIN -flag set also causes a stream to become "half-closed". - -An endpoint might receive MAX_STREAM_DATA or STREAM_BLOCKED frames on -peer-initiated streams that are "idle" if there is loss or reordering of -packets. Receiving these frames also causes the stream to become "open". - -An endpoint MUST NOT send a STREAM or RST_STREAM frame for a stream ID that is -higher than the peers advertised maximum stream ID (see -{{frame-max-stream-id}}). - +Sending a STREAM or RST_STREAM frame causes the identified stream to become +"open" for a sending endpoint. New streams use the next stream available +identifier, as described in {{stream-id}}. An endpoint MUST NOT send a STREAM next available stream identifier? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/643#pullrequestreview-45049191 ----==_mimepart_5948cb6286b04_3efa3fc58db8bc3418627 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -Sending or receiving a STREAM or RST_STREAM frame causes the identified stream
-to become "open".  The stream identifier for a new stream is selected as
-described in {{stream-id}}.  A RST_STREAM frame, or a STREAM frame with the FIN
-flag set also causes a stream to become "half-closed".
-
-An endpoint might receive MAX_STREAM_DATA or STREAM_BLOCKED frames on
-peer-initiated streams that are "idle" if there is loss or reordering of
-packets.  Receiving these frames also causes the stream to become "open".
-
-An endpoint MUST NOT send a STREAM or RST_STREAM frame for a stream ID that is
-higher than the peers advertised maximum stream ID (see
-{{frame-max-stream-id}}).
-
+Sending a STREAM or RST_STREAM frame causes the identified stream to become
+"open" for a sending endpoint.  New streams use the next stream available
+identifier, as described in {{stream-id}}.  An endpoint MUST NOT send a STREAM

next available stream identifier?

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yes; you can be semi-blocked from sending by the range of the lowest u= nacked packet you have outstanding.

I say semi-blocked (as opposed to say, deadlocked) because you can jus= t move to the bigger packet number space and essentially declare the olde= r uacked ones presumed-lost. They'll fail decryption at the receiver when= given the 'wrong' packet number.

8 bit numbers aren't especially useful.. perhaps banning them as foot= guns would be a practical step to help quality of implementations.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-### half-closed (remote) {#state-hc-remote}
+A stream becomes "closed" at the receiving endpoint when all data is received
+and a STREAM frame with a FIN flag is received or when a RST_STREAM frame is
+received.

It is not clear if data must be send/received up to the RST_STREAM offset.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -
-### closed {#state-closed}
-
-The "closed" state is the terminal state for a stream.
-
-Once a stream reaches this state, no frames can be sent that mention the stream.
-Reordering might cause frames to be received after closing, see
-{{state-hc-remote}}.
+An endpoint could continue receiving frames for the stream even after the stream
+is closed for sending if packets are reordered.  At the receiving endpoint,
+retransmissions of data in STREAM frames, or retransmissions of STREAM_BLOCKED
+and RST_STREAM frames might arrive after the stream becomes "closed".  At the
+sending endpoint, MAX_STREAM_DATA frames might be received after the stream
+becomes "closed".  Frames received on a "closed" stream SHOULD be discarded.  An
+endpoint MAY choose to limit the period over which it ignores frames and treat
+frames that arrive after this time as being in error.

Perhaps a note on fatal connection error if receiving frames at later offset than close - otherwise a transmitter might abuse flow control limits - though the benefit of that is unclear. Perhaps also a note here stating the both RST_STREAM and FIN defines a specific end offset - even if discussed in more detail in specific frames.

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As mentioned above, DISINTEREST (#171) or some other mechanism for receiver to cancel is needed, and because it can cause some race conditions on stream state, I think it would be good to consider in more detail before settling on a unidirectional solution. I am concerned about the STREAM_BLOCKED being able to force the receivers stream in open state if it is above the stream limit, or did I miss something. I know it is also there to hint at a need for more streams, but I think that should be an application level issue. Regardless - if naively implemented, a transmitter could force a lot of undesired resource usage at receiver by allocating stream state. I suggest that any stream related transmission above MAX_STREAM_LIMIT is a fatal error. As to MAX_STREAM_LIMIT - this was a great improvement to avoid race conditions in the bi-directional design, and I do immediately suggest removing it. However, I think it might be worthwhile to consider alternatives for a better insight into the problem. For example: assume that we do not require incremental stream identifiers: there is no internal gain in incremental order such as keeping a simple stream table because old streams can randomly linger (e.g. stream 0), so open streams must be tracked via a map anyway. With a unidirectional design there is no ambigouty of the senders view of how many streams are at most open at the receiving end. It is the difference between received ACKS for RST_STREAM and FIN STREAMS and streams placed in senders open state. Unless there is a flaw in the above argument, this suggests that streams can be opened with arbitrary identifiers. If we permit that, applications could use their own identifiers. However, it becomes intractable to make sure that a stream identifier is not being reused. Thus, the next question is: is it a problem to reuse stream identifiers once they have been closed? A sender cannot start reusing the stream before receiving an ACK for RST_STREAM or FIN STREAM of the old version of the stream and in this case the receiver cannot have many doubts about a new stream arriving being new. However, there may still be spurious retransmissions. This can be managed by looking at packet numbers but requires to remember the packet number of a closed stream, which is complicated. Thus, I believe the MAX_STREAM_LIMIT is still the simplest approach. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/643#issuecomment-309673734 ----==_mimepart_5948d44966e04_2b7e3fb50143dc30512c4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I can't speak for HTTP/2 that I have not studied in detail, but I believ= e this is a very significant improvement for the transport layer.

As mentioned above, DISINTEREST (#171) or some other mechanism for receiver to cancel is needed= , and because it can cause some race conditions on stream state, I think it= would be good to consider in more detail before settling on a unidirection= al solution.

I am concerned about the STREAM_BLOCKED being able to force the receiver= s stream in open state if it is above the stream limit, or did I miss somet= hing. I know it is also there to hint at a need for more streams, but I thi= nk that should be an application level issue. Regardless - if naively imple= mented, a transmitter could force a lot of undesired resource usage at rece= iver by allocating stream state. I suggest that any stream related transmis= sion above MAX_STREAM_LIMIT is a fatal error.

As to MAX_STREAM_LIMIT - this was a great improvement to avoid race cond= itions in the bi-directional design, and I do immediately suggest removing = it. However, I think it might be worthwhile to consider alternatives for a = better insight into the problem. For example: assume that we do not require= incremental stream identifiers: there is no internal gain in incremental o= rder such as keeping a simple stream table because old streams can randomly= linger (e.g. stream 0), so open streams must be tracked via a map anyway. = With a unidirectional design there is no ambigouty of the senders view of h= ow many streams are at most open at the receiving end. It is the difference= between received ACKS for RST_STREAM and FIN STREAMS and streams placed in= senders open state.

Unless there is a flaw in the above argument, this suggests that streams= can be opened with arbitrary identifiers. If we permit that, applications = could use their own identifiers. However, it becomes intractable to make su= re that a stream identifier is not being reused. Thus, the next question is= : is it a problem to reuse stream identifiers once they have been closed? A= sender cannot start reusing the stream before receiving an ACK for RST_STR= EAM or FIN STREAM of the old version of the stream and in this case the rec= eiver cannot have many doubts about a new stream arriving being new. Howeve= r, there may still be spurious retransmissions. This can be managed by look= ing at packet numbers but requires to remember the packet number of a close= d stream, which is complicated.

Thus, I believe the MAX_STREAM_LIMIT is still the simplest approach.

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I say semi-blocked (as opposed to say, deadlocked) because you can jus= t move to the bigger packet number space and essentially declare the olde= r uacked ones presumed-lost.

This will not work if it is decided to require gapless packet numbers = except on path migration - something I'd argue for.

#595 sugge= sts variable length integers which I think is a good idea.

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= ----==_mimepart_5948dda686a6d_203a3f88928cdc3c6272d-- From nobody Tue Jun 20 05:24:43 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B28C12E059 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 05:24:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CIt728weHMJR for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 05:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext4.iad.github.net [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3020A12E056 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 05:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 05:24:39 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1497961479; bh=Ydu1welMy3A1qjsaJgcSnFTFgM+cwxGEK9RsTA5X+Bg=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=adh/s5RpdAY7ubY5GBVqSeGuUdJJuQD9o/OkN1Z9jqloiHB8m+bUuijyEZyl3gpC/ jmiaYENGQvSrMgkXW6gEvR7Ie/NE6aJehcnHP+xcgxO0V5qODNVcPZGxB0DJWz4Rf8 gwbIsAgLjz4PHd5uR2tnmNsF5dZpx/dqHequikG4= From: Patrick McManus Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Wrongly hinting of issues not existing for packet number size increase (#605) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_594914075f64b_54853f8afddb1c2c594bb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mcmanus X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:24:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_594914075f64b_54853f8afddb1c2c594bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think gapless creates a problem with the existing spec (though I also support #595). Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. Gap is a property of the sender, and there would be no gap just by virtue of moving to a bigger encoding - that's obvious to the receiver if the packets are delivered in order but its true whether the receiver realizes it or not. So out of order delivery would basically just be a form of loss/corruption (the misinterpreted number would cause a decrypt fail) fixed in the usual way (retransmit of data). To me, the most important part of this issue is that the current design is prone to this self-induced loss and while not a critical fail, it should be improved. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/605#issuecomment-309736878 ----==_mimepart_594914075f64b_54853f8afddb1c2c594bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't think gapless creates a problem with the existing spec (though= I also support #= 595). Maybe I'm misunderstanding you.

Gap is a property of the sender, and there would be no gap just by vir= tue of moving to a bigger encoding - that's obvious to the receiver if th= e packets are delivered in order but its true whether the receiver realiz= es it or not. So out of order delivery would basically just be a form of= loss/corruption (the misinterpreted number would cause a decrypt fail) f= ixed in the usual way (retransmit of data).

To me, the most important part of this issue is that the current desig= n is prone to this self-induced loss and while not a critical fail, it sh= ould be improved.

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Maybe I'm misunderstanding you.

Or may be the opposite - I thought you would introduce a gap in the pa= cket number space while advancing the larger range, but that no longer ma= kes sense to me.

Either way, I'm not sure there is a problem:

If you send 100 packets in 8-bit encoding, then decide to send 100000 = packets more, you encode 8 bit until packet 127, use 16 bit until packet = 32767, and 32 bit after that.

Regardless of delivery order, there shouldn't be any ambiguity about t= he packer number.

But this isn't exactly how things are specified currently - it uses a = diff against largest received or something like that.

If the spec would state that only half the representable range must be= used for any given encoding, except for 64 bit, then I think it should b= e working.

Simpler yet, use varlen.

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@mikkelfj= I think you are correct that this can be resolved by changing the rule= s for how one handle or recover the full packet number. I think the current= text actually requires one to not send any more packets when one reaching = having half the current smallest packet field space as diff between next pa= cket and oldest outstanding. Thus, one could actually deadlock, which is ba= d.

If one statys with the current style of the packet numbers, I would agre= e with @mcman= us

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Reopened #605.

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----==_mimepart_59491d4c12716_52603fc8da5b7c2c568b0-- From nobody Tue Jun 20 09:52:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713B212944C for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 09:52:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.801 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JhgO0sqQ3W9t for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 09:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2AE9131531 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 09:52:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=ib4T4fqGPg0Vk6SqTNad1bFlQkQ=; b=lG2xjJqSzyXZbBWu KW6LWUFspIzjYhcuOqwXmquRtA2zd6DjBgHeFiVInsRYNagrVsUteNuy4uqk43FH Sezm/oUttRR+PDH39UMDvP+rgayY8vWttMRJWHVznERJh5zFStDgV/ZG+kohHEnw di5QD31U5YsQBZcvtxpm+aPgcxg= Received: by filter1128p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1128p1mdw1-20036-594952B7-45 2017-06-20 16:52:07.621168058 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 6Oy5cheASAyQ0TQjF1nZWQ for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 16:52:07.592 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 09:52:07 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Wrongly hinting of issues not existing for packet number size increase (#605) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_594952b77c982_213233f8fa594bc3015449"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3Ikb8be//lB7dfOVgnWVcdqT/voOvOrp8BQO Oj/79YBFyxTgroYIQK3jsIXpsq9yceWuBGWgGh3Z8EFxpsSpUgj0SSAnCHTeDxkoCxHJaspC3QkYpH xylxTZ0DuNLfzlUW4778b0M4BacH+o92d3kUNQf2BTIpixjimXEa6mQJo54CG6WqR9W0IU/nNrLWXd k= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 16:52:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_594952b77c982_213233f8fa594bc3015449 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson The concern you point out is real, though as @mcmanus points out, it just causes a few packets to be dropped when they can't be decrypted in the worst case. Reordering is somewhat common, but reordering of >100 packets is pretty rare, so even 1 byte works very well in the real world. I remember there being some text on how to choose the packet number length, but I can't find it anymore. The early draft(https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hamilton-quic-transport-protocol-00) had this text, which I think may have been lost when the packet header was changed? "To enable unambiguous reconstruction of the packet number by the receiver, a QUIC endpoint MUST NOT transmit a packet whose packet number is larger by (2^(bitlength-2)) than the largest packet number for which an acknowledgement is known to have been transmitted by the receiver. Therefore, there must never be more than (2^46) packets in flight. Any truncated packet number received from a peer shall be inferred to have the value closest to the one more than the largest known packet number received from that peer. The transmitted portion of the packet number matches the lowest bits of the inferred value." To be clear, I think this text can be improved, but it's important to have a recommendation both based on number of packets currently outstanding and number that may be sent in the near future(likely limited by CWND). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/605#issuecomment-309820441 ----==_mimepart_594952b77c982_213233f8fa594bc3015449 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@mar= tinthomson The concern you point out is real, though as @mcmanus points out, it = just causes a few packets to be dropped when they can't be decrypted in the= worst case.

Reordering is somewhat common, but reordering of >100 packets is pret= ty rare, so even 1 byte works very well in the real world.

I remember there being some text on how to choose the packet number leng= th, but I can't find it anymore. The early draft(https://tools.ietf= .org/html/draft-hamilton-quic-transport-protocol-00) had this text, whi= ch I think may have been lost when the packet header was changed?

"To enable unambiguous
reconstruction of the packet number by the receiver, a QUIC
endpoint MUST NOT transmit a packet whose packet number is larger
by (2^(bitlength-2)) than the largest packet number for which an
acknowledgement is known to have been transmitted by the receiver.
Therefore, there must never be more than (2^46) packets in flight.
Any truncated packet number received from a peer shall be inferred
to have the value closest to the one more than the largest known
packet number received from that peer. The transmitted portion of
the packet number matches the lowest bits of the inferred value."

To be clear, I think this text can be improved, but it's important to ha= ve a recommendation both based on number of packets currently outstanding a= nd number that may be sent in the near future(likely limited by CWND).

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= ----==_mimepart_594952b77c982_213233f8fa594bc3015449-- From nobody Tue Jun 20 10:04:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02AD8131577 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 10:04:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R77iKO3SbvfF for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 10:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C703F131651 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 10:04:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=KfCsmC6aiXm1AVD5yYj/6MuMwdg=; b=VlBzaAoAx2ruTSc0 cbspocUe5TZX+966AxBZkanf+Gc2QSzhPIHizabieodKjuuWRgDNZx0uUn7xJQFs bJTnqf+9fCRA80bricLjs9lggqLAnyAHwG8IY53FGvLXyb20QdWFM1r33XK1KHf6 kRHEKOEPaqjOfAExH8e5aeUvxtw= Received: by filter0599p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0599p1mdw1-18710-5949557B-2 2017-06-20 17:03:55.024583623 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id Y1WtuL01S2i447D8xl7CiQ for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 17:03:54.979 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 10:03:54 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Wrongly hinting of issues not existing for packet number size increase (#605) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5949557aca5c2_33a33fca013bbc341032ba"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1PheNfM09iRXf7LvuMlHPt+MC0MbupMsjYnI muCI/yWE91rafj0MftB5/zkruvI0fp1v/LYNbThCcUITTR82EZW75tsmOcsRx6yP01bciHyOSIcOdd GUD57G+liceIXRij8114pdjbt0QxwK+nUa+0fpRCpXfIRwkSKB0d7JZQ0ALPyqy7OoLBIpJNuPi4E3 8= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 17:04:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5949557aca5c2_33a33fca013bbc341032ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After re-reading the existing text, I think we need to add some text about the largest packet number likely to be sent before a larger packet is acknowledged. Specifically, I'd change "An endpoint MAY use a larger packet number size to safeguard against such reordering." to "An endpoint SHOULD use a large enough packet number size to allow any packets sent in the near future be unambiguously decoded." Also @gloinul , I can't find any text that would create a deadlock. The only MUST is: "The sender MUST use a packet number size able to represent more than twice as large a range than the difference between the largest acknowledged packet and packet number being sent." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/605#issuecomment-309823683 ----==_mimepart_5949557aca5c2_33a33fca013bbc341032ba Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

After re-reading the existing text, I think we need to add some text abo= ut the largest packet number likely to be sent before a larger packet is ac= knowledged.

Specifically, I'd change "An endpoint MAY use a larger packet number siz= e to safeguard against such reordering." to "An endpoint SHOULD use a large= enough packet number size to allow any packets sent in the near future be = unambiguously decoded."

Also @gloi= nul , I can't find any text that would create a deadlock. The only MUS= T is: "The sender MUST use a packet number size able to represent more than= twice as large a range than the difference between the largest acknowledge= d packet and packet number being sent."

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I wonder whether we can separate the NAT rebinding case. We assume that = these binding change in unpredictable ways, but they are mostly driven by t= imers. A very simple change to the current spec would be to not just burn a= new connection ID on a "connection event", but also when the client is sen= ding a packet after some N seconds of silence -- maybe 10 seconds. Pretty m= uch the same as a keep-alive timer.

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----==_mimepart_5949a34354baa_31923fda405e3c38165a0-- From nobody Tue Jun 20 15:40:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C7E126C89 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 15:40:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1akleWg4l4Af for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 15:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0510126C0F for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 15:40:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=6ssGb2+T6vx9xnntDxJ4H2eJe4s=; b=Ia0NeRCxnipEZVwu zhVROVZT9ykEngnq4u2DLEO4ZhDULY1pDyhzikQE5ECODh5yoImsgU4ue3PuRV1Q U4qqVeB+Z6dfpznv/DI7ErRlR9XzzQXoa+H5W8ntCUvWqc4lp0vzxQyJotyRgba1 eT/Au/Vr66WcmdlMEqwDmkjiQG8= Received: by filter0580p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0580p1mdw1-8647-5949A462-2B 2017-06-20 22:40:34.825498729 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id s-BgutmXQlem9OwdKh91FA for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 22:40:34.770 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 15:40:34 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN) (#68) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5949a46291d56_7b793fcc97229c34234a5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3AhIroECqwKqkgTo0HdNE3++tv/PSN8M6pWN lgjV6J/RjGl9rBssNQ6SqENzNWfwGiBJGC6TagOYwQ3Zp1GRooqagNJjdQ6bES9/JPEVdFOkU0sFHY B/oeL2lQsxQwEiIq4QNuimv/PCPFaXbTRdZ4b4Whrhc1DSVnGtj28zPQUa5Sp4agDeVbZjKcKZOJcU Q= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 22:40:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5949a46291d56_7b793fcc97229c34234a5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm going to close this as a duplicate of #632. We're trying to reduce the number of issues. While not strictly a duplicate, this issue is a direct request for a particular change, whereas #632 is more phrased as an issue. We prefer issues that are more like #632 than this one. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/68#issuecomment-309912165 ----==_mimepart_5949a46291d56_7b793fcc97229c34234a5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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We need to decide what guarantees we will assume prior to establishing common keys. This touches on things like

  • whether we want to abort the connection in response to spoofed packets, or whether we can ignore them
  • how the client does source address validation for the server
  • whether the connection ID needs to be stable during the handshake or whether the 5-tuple is enough

This covers #624, #594, #554, and likely other issues.

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#644 is the Grand ACK Frame issue.

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Closing in favour of #608. Folks there can refer to discussion here as necessary.

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#644 is the ACK frame tracking issue.

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Is this close enough to #65 to be a dup?

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Fixes #538

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  • Define largest_sent_packet and largest_acked_packet

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Possibly included: #42= 3 #230 #506 #507 #563 #601= #613

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Dup of #230.

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Added a sentence to the ack frame in an effort to close #613

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I sent out a PR for clarifying the use of 0 length ack ranges, but I think it's best to resolve the multiple ack frames issue on #423

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Fixes #533

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  • Disambiguate OnPacketAcked

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----==_mimepart_5949d3e24b429_2f8f3ffb2b79fc3c95119-- From nobody Tue Jun 20 19:16:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29AFC129A8F for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 19:16:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J3YoRTDlo6CU for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 19:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2B361292CE for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 19:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 19:16:23 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1498011383; bh=SQmeE2zFhRnIqXSbqK7Hh7vCrLO3IGjST/3kY17Y7V4=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=GqCEO/hFFnJ/msBfs4wt74GpjugmDaA5igJONjBXlaI0tdSvlpP0X7CFuzsG7/bfF YL8U/C8Q6o9s84tV6bXu/JBoDbPzfk91Q2ndCi2HV9rcqylLlckkbgzF/Z5ixWWBk+ Z3X0E+RE20UT9RMsOhLxhe+kmkpgnxFYueSmLqas= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Unidirectional Streams (#643) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5949d6f79bb3_49453fc29c157c34106db"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 02:16:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5949d6f79bb3_49453fc29c157c34106db Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can't open a stream that exceeds the value your peer sent in MAX_STREAM_ID, STREAM_BLOCKED included. @mikkelfj, your suggestion to allow use of arbitrary stream identifiers is counter to something we've discussed at length. The current design allows an endpoint to maintain a map of open streams. Then the state of other streams is easily determined. Streams lower than the largest open stream ID are either in the map or are closed, streams with higher numbers are idle. This is why I think that "fixing" #634 is not a good idea because it means additional state to track closed vs. idle on streams below the largest open stream ID. And because there is nothing to be gained from opening out of order. That's even more true with with this change, which removes any vestigial semantics attached to stream identifiers. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/643#issuecomment-309943197 ----==_mimepart_5949d6f79bb3_49453fc29c157c34106db Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

You can't open a stream that exceeds the value your peer sent in MAX_S= TREAM_ID, STREAM_BLOCKED included.

@mikkel= fj, your suggestion to allow use of arbitrary stream identifiers is c= ounter to something we've discussed at length. The current design allows= an endpoint to maintain a map of open streams. Then the state of other = streams is easily determined. Streams lower than the largest open stream= ID are either in the map or are closed, streams with higher numbers are = idle.

This is why I think that "fixing" #634 is not a good idea because it means addition= al state to track closed vs. idle on streams below the largest open strea= m ID. And because there is nothing to be gained from opening out of orde= r. That's even more true with with this change, which removes any vestig= ial semantics attached to stream identifiers.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-### half-closed (remote) {#state-hc-remote}
+A stream becomes "closed" at the receiving endpoint when all data is received
+and a STREAM frame with a FIN flag is received or when a RST_STREAM frame is
+received.

Seems clear to me:

  1. when all data is received and a STREAM frame with a FIN flag is received, or
  2. when a RST_STREAM frame is received.

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No, #65 is "should we mandate the generation of BLOCKED". This is "BLOCKED gives poor information and it could be improved".

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Based on @ianswett's text recommendation in #605.

Closes #605.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/649

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  • Attempt to make the text clearer. Closes #605

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@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

This is a grossly inefficient encoding, but at the point where you have a 255 packet gap, efficiency is probably out the window anyway.

Don't we also have to say that the gap can be 0 also?

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Closing in favour of #574.

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Closing in favour of #20 based on discussion in Paris.

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----==_mimepart_5949dffe9bdc7_5e343f99d9a87c3c6935c-- From nobody Tue Jun 20 19:57:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8FB313164D for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 19:57:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.681 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.681 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v2WZxiIqc4v7 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 19:57:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext5.iad.github.net [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15F8E13158B for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 19:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 19:57:37 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1498013857; bh=wyP+qb+7bqlBmA8oTPC6pWVUd1Aw8dvNSGjSg+5bCa0=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=rVbW4HD/zAFr23Zhf1d4BAcqH4T8qhD69V23njyMotyoXFS8uGhVQa0scu2jaHzj3 nIjcewRSAnNs6SF4AKagJdzJk2lFHMSK9j6dN+gjmKGG5J108upezcDD2ee8YRbkhe VN+d2wUYXaNuhrmV3wujUNMsPsqPB0zGw6TFsthE= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make reset simpler and invisible (#574) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5949e0a142433_6e533f97e9a6fc3c55640"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 02:57:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5949e0a142433_6e533f97e9a6fc3c55640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar, the commits are all editorial. The commit is, as far as I can see, ready for review. I think that we can all apologize for the distracting comments, feel free to ignore those. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/574#issuecomment-309948926 ----==_mimepart_5949e0a142433_6e533f97e9a6fc3c55640 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar, the commits are all editorial. The commit is, as far as I can see, ready for review. I think that we can all apologize for the distracting comments, feel free to ignore those.

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Merged #576.

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Clearly this isn't going anywhere. If someone wants a change, they are going to have to propose text.

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----==_mimepart_5949e10d63b34_674b3fd0d27ebc3c3559f-- From nobody Tue Jun 20 20:00:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59CA6126CC4 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 20:00:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.381 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.381 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TKkVrbBIZ9gL for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 20:00:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext8.iad.github.net [192.30.252.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8101126B6E for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 20:00:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 20:00:18 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1498014018; bh=Xn0vRBeiGmwR6LDdW0XRxSiqdJHsrjtqkR9SsarqfOU=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=YRmUDusz482wdNfVw/bjJp3NtJSNHiXTX2yszfw0/OePqvh9sCgRG3g7aR7WxEog6 7t5VqK7c/rBOtTBqTTViu6aEv4pkdIagIqisNSmxL8qKePWFPvhAub+UlHu8wPNzqC R4qt3/q1nNDRMoyyY7fLnkB/8Y5BY1PLxHYexu3I= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC version number scheme (#51) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5949e1427110_7453f97e9a6fc3c589de"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 03:00:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5949e1427110_7453f97e9a6fc3c589de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The close hammer strikes. @ekr, if you want a change, I think that you will have to supply text (and another issue, though in this case a PR would be OK, since it's basically editorial). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/51#issuecomment-309949267 ----==_mimepart_5949e1427110_7453f97e9a6fc3c589de Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The close hammer strikes. @ekr, if you want a change, I think that you will have to supply text (and another issue, though in this case a PR would be OK, since it's basically editorial).

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Split from #51.

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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-### half-closed (remote) {#state-hc-remote}
+A stream becomes "closed" at the receiving endpoint when all data is received
+and a STREAM frame with a FIN flag is received or when a RST_STREAM frame is
+received.

It'ts not clear to me if the semantics are that the receiver can expect data to be delivered up the RST_FRAME offset, or the transmitter can just decide to cancel at that offset whether data before that was ACK'ed. The formulation of the RST_STREAM suggests the receiver should not wait around, but RST_STREAM could also be used to send half a file and use RST_STREAM instead of FIN, even if this is probably not the design intent.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-### half-closed (remote) {#state-hc-remote}
+A stream becomes "closed" at the receiving endpoint when all data is received
+and a STREAM frame with a FIN flag is received or when a RST_STREAM frame is
+received.

The formulation "all data received" on the FIN flag, implies that will not be the case for RST_STREAM, so I agree, it is covered in a terse form.

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Commit: a719ae899ca8d2e2f04493ccdc2afef0fc2fcf14 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a719ae899ca8d2e2f04493ccdc2afef0fc2fcf14 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-21 (Wed, 21 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reference error codes One interesting change here is that we don't have an error code for running out of packet numbers. If you think about this for even a few seconds, you will realize that you can't send that error code because it can't go in a packet. And that's even assuming that you manage to keep a connection alive long enough to send that many packets. At 1 million packets a second, that's almost 600 thousand years. Even if we assume that you jump 2^31 packets every time you switch between networks, and change once a minute, that's 16 thousand years. I didn't remove the parenthetical mention of QUIC_NO_ERROR because that is being removed in other pull requests. Commit: 9eaddcb7c37e3e77ef6aeb5effd134d14d9cbadb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9eaddcb7c37e3e77ef6aeb5effd134d14d9cbadb Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-21 (Wed, 21 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Simplify CONNECTION_CLOSE error handling Commit: 67ccacb999375a0179487b57def82840d6de80d2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/67ccacb999375a0179487b57def82840d6de80d2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-21 (Wed, 21 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add generic and specific frame formatting errors, remove ENHANCE_YER_CALM Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/d3dec577b012...67ccacb99937 ----==_mimepart_594a10c0a6f1b_138923fbcb0ebfc2430628-- From nobody Tue Jun 20 23:25:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F2D812EC7F for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 23:25:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l6uv7Cj5hFuE for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 23:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABD7B127B31 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 23:25:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=FqRkxUC3KIVzgPk6PRAc6PYnxOA=; b=SJJCBJntrZHfWfDY ZGye9CjrkcU1eUSru82nmYPkueUGgN/IG0bUhI72UsftLRDq+RclTcvCOSYRFlac hgfhfqzspjINJcfuFkVCqIOcMnzqkRcSTE+miRp7xhQd0t5WJ/7sVHo48YhLx7C9 ao+o9juxxQMg/KK8ZmyAR4+Py58= Received: by filter1075p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1075p1mdw1-21204-594A116C-2B 2017-06-21 06:25:48.784426468 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id UnNdqi8lT6aQt3M_ZBfoZg for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 06:25:48.836 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 23:25:48 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Prune transport error codes (#467) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_594a116cb03a2_4b2e3ffd8af7bc388068"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1pn5mEEoXHpBWwgiuA3w4gyvy0UxJZ/FQl0H ggKMwbCwwivGBIVupEJmhXanewcE6bIr0QIMM3Bj7l/k9XRrppcjafShfC3SIEf4eJhpJMkE/LWNVr RaHOEk63NJmM5dPhWjO2zUVN+J/tfwuqXlztzAY2sLwV2Idtk6HKHLTCPmtAFLUIsDr18vl5uLmwr3 0= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 06:25:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_594a116cb03a2_4b2e3ffd8af7bc388068 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar, I've rebased and updated this with what we agreed at the interim. There is now a generic frame format error, and a set of frame-type-specific errors. I removed ENHANCE_YOUR_CALM. I went over the error codes that you added back in #521 and I'm going to suggest that we separate those out. Some depend on the conclusion of #608, and I *think* that the others aren't useful to signal. I'm sure that I'm wrong about at least one, but we should discuss them separately. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/467#issuecomment-309975900 ----==_mimepart_594a116cb03a2_4b2e3ffd8af7bc388068 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@janai= yengar, I've rebased and updated this with what we agreed at the interi= m. There is now a generic frame format error, and a set of frame-type-spec= ific errors. I removed ENHANCE_YOUR_CALM.

I went over the error codes that you added back in #521 and I'm going to suggest that we separ= ate those out. Some depend on the conclusion of #608, and I think that the others aren= 't useful to signal. I'm sure that I'm wrong about at least one, but we sh= ould discuss them separately.

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----==_mimepart_594a1f29d86d5_1b443fe1bc603c304070-- From nobody Wed Jun 21 00:37:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE791316D5 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 00:37:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nkrilqhEwimu for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 00:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 048621316D4 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 00:37:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=H6QNS6X6JOpdwLSh6utZPEd5moQ=; b=koJWCeVw86vnfsdK B5b5/YZsTZdlzhwQ1Qh2WAdsalkNRHx9jyDITKmC+rIAPDCXzpfCbdTyY/nW6wAm 2H4jvxanatnydDmNto04XZ+aDsosYO/wG4tUEv+avXaAEwevXHEGbu6NRp5MSYLW YqAxjQxD2ry1RXhX42/L+NaDmjk= Received: by filter0450p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0450p1mdw1-15690-594A2222-A 2017-06-21 07:37:06.19243065 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id cXDm5jg0RMaHFhCHH9sJBg for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 07:37:06.161 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 00:37:06 -0700 From: =?UTF-8?B?SsSBbmlz?= Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stream frame data length wording. (#652) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_594a22221244c_29733f87ce57fc344597b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: chocis X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2XnJPv7ZEPnFthSd0cM4Ry+76/30BvcOvYAX 6eMEPke4ui3rZSYen6biYfvXPcS5hlLUaeBLQhphD6TPTNEd7sozqbCVdi1YKg7gJssU8rLHFlgadR ivUsXYypEffw19Rk7HBPX8lY2XBMDR/hm0Cf07WzuBoq/sLwCu+kzxJyq3OVbbRkFFuLY/KbCMHX+h c= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 07:37:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_594a22221244c_29733f87ce57fc344597b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In current draft there is sentence: "A STREAM frame MUST have either non-zero data length or the FIN bit set." At least for me this was confusing if it refers to Data Length field + D bit. Wouldn't a better wording be something similar to: "A STREAM frame MUST have either non-empty Stream Data payload or the FIN bit set." or "A STREAM frame MUST have either some Stream Data payload or the FIN bit set without payload"? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/652 ----==_mimepart_594a22221244c_29733f87ce57fc344597b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In current draft there is sentence: "A STREAM frame MUST have either non-zero data length or the FIN bit set."
At least for me this was confusing if it refers to Data Length field + D bit. Wouldn't a better wording be something similar to: "A STREAM frame MUST have either non-empty Stream Data payload or the FIN bit set." or "A STREAM frame MUST have either some Stream Data payload or the FIN bit set without payload"?

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----==_mimepart_594a22221244c_29733f87ce57fc344597b-- From nobody Wed Jun 21 00:45:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993AB131789 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 00:45:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.396 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.396 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id otdDJZdZuxXE for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 00:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6872513173B for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 00:44:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=GO6g89da8wo0poB7sIvDpwWn+GE=; b=cQijIHveqCuJDV18 WlOJtUj1mG1zaO5Z6G1m+FZ3rXC3RWNqTTAB7W5urVrkvzlzNxqHlCqcl/wm5g4R 3lX5HYNIpnzcjPJFMUPFffHpjZqfcrTXXwfUmO3PDksRym12aRGW5v/+mZsJhmzN VwOiGS4vS8YLawJp+/IMaFWkMco= Received: by filter0596p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0596p1mdw1-733-594A23C9-14 2017-06-21 07:44:09.246956805 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id FPh-rZBoTaWrNjOlXaxNAQ for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 07:44:09.239 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 00:44:09 -0700 From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stream frame data length wording. (#652) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_594a23c923811_535f3ff1ea0f9c3856516"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1S8vLQzbsZaoEDopMkURdtJukf1hmhoJ8Hqo /AeA4wV3t2GUm/V4/yghKrWOsWGkVE37B1M7UQ5fKycD6OsiFz4EGVgMkaKiW9GQVPOo+DyxclpZWT IosGzqcEPVW0IOa1g5lT/uFseaRBn+t+KVz+IFT4dbOSQ734zPFPzKMXZUSoS3rSXzDkUJgMOR7UoA Y= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 07:45:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_594a23c923811_535f3ff1ea0f9c3856516 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The idea, I believe, is that generally a stream is closed as soon as possible with as much data as possible in a frame. The idea is not that FIN should be an empty frame. However, sometimes you don't know whether more data will arrive or not, so an empty frame with FIN is permitted. Other empty stream frames are not permitted to be empty because they can be used to abuse flow control limits. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/652#issuecomment-309990871 ----==_mimepart_594a23c923811_535f3ff1ea0f9c3856516 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The idea, I believe, is that generally a stream is closed as soon as pos= sible with as much data as possible in a frame. The idea is not that FIN sh= ould be an empty frame. However, sometimes you don't know whether more data= will arrive or not, so an empty frame with FIN is permitted. Other empty s= tream frames are not permitted to be empty because they can be used to abus= e flow control limits.

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@ianswett= sorry for being unclear. I don't think the limitation do exist in the = text to cause an actual deadlock. I meant if one would enforce to changes o= f packet number to happen so that no receiver confusion would be possible t= hen a deadlock could occur.

What I think needs to happen is that one clarify a couple of things:

  1. When one increase the packet number field size, that can happen at any = time because the number of outstanding packets becomes to large.
  2. When one increase, then I think the receiver processing should be clari= fied, so that it would be clear how the shorter packet numbers relates to t= he larger ones to avoid the issue of wrongly reconstructing the full packet= number.
  3. The conditions in which one can shrink the packet number field needs to= be clear so that one minimizes the risk that packets gets wrongly reconstr= ucted packet numbers. These recommendations will of course need to take 2. = into account.

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Not sure where the `http-framing-layer` link is supposed to take us to. > HTTP/QUIC uses the priority scheme described in {{!RFC7540}} Section 5.3. In -this priority scheme, a given stream can be designated as dependent upon another -stream, which expresses the preference that the latter stream (the "parent" -stream) be allocated resources before the former stream (the "dependent" -stream). Taken together, the dependencies across all streams in a connection -form a dependency tree. The structure of the dependency tree changes as PRIORITY -frames add, remove, or change the dependency links between streams. +this priority scheme, a given request can be designated as dependent upon +another request, which expresses the preference that the latter stream (the +"parent" request) be allocated resources before the former stream (the +"dependent" request). Taken together, the dependencies across all request in a nit: the dependencies across all request**s** > HTTP/QUIC uses the priority scheme described in {{!RFC7540}} Section 5.3. In -this priority scheme, a given stream can be designated as dependent upon another -stream, which expresses the preference that the latter stream (the "parent" -stream) be allocated resources before the former stream (the "dependent" -stream). Taken together, the dependencies across all streams in a connection -form a dependency tree. The structure of the dependency tree changes as PRIORITY -frames add, remove, or change the dependency links between streams. +this priority scheme, a given request can be designated as dependent upon +another request, which expresses the preference that the latter stream (the +"parent" request) be allocated resources before the former stream (the +"dependent" request). Taken together, the dependencies across all request in a +connection form a dependency tree. The structure of the dependency tree changes +as PRIORITY frames add, remove, or change the dependency links between request. nit: the dependency links between request**s** > - -The data stream MUST be half-closed immediately after the transfer of the body. -If the message does not contain a body, the corresponding data stream MUST still -be half-closed without transferring any data. The "chunked" transfer encoding -defined in Section 4.1 of {{!RFC7230}} MUST NOT be used. +response may contain zero or more header blocks on the response stream +containing the message headers of informational (1xx) HTTP responses (see +{{!RFC7230}}, Section 3.2 and {{!RFC7231}}, Section 6.2). + +A message that contains a payload body includes a HAS_BODY frame immediately +after the first header block. This indicates that another stream will include +the payload body. A data stream is opened to carry the payload body. The data +stream MUST be closed immediately after sending the body. If the message does +not contain a body, a data stream MUST NOT be opened and the HAS_BODY message +MUST NOT be sent. The "chunked" transfer encoding defined in Section 4.1 of +{{!RFC7230}} MUST NOT be used. Trailing header fields are carried in an additional header block on the message control stream. Such a header block is a sequence of HEADERS frames with End Sending trailing header fields on the control stream seems like a hangover from earlier design. > -The server push response is conveyed in the same way as a non-server-push -response, with response headers and (if present) trailers carried by HEADERS -frames sent on the control stream, and response body (if any) sent via the -corresponding data stream. +The server push response is conveyed on a push stream. Aside from the stream +header, which identifies the response stream and PUSH_PROMISE frame, a push +stream is identical to a regular response stream ({{stream-response}}), with +response headers and (if present) trailers carried by HEADERS frames sent on the +control stream, and response body (if any) indicated with a HAS_BODY frame and My reading of the design is that trailing header fields would be carried on the push stream, not the control stream. > @@ -401,6 +547,14 @@ All frames have the following format: ## Frame Definitions {#frames} +### HAS_BODY {#frame-has-body} + +The HAS_BODY frame indicates that the HTTP message contains a payload body. It Is it missing a frame type? > @@ -712,6 +936,21 @@ HTTP_MULTIPLE_SETTINGS (0x10): HTTP_RST_CONTROL_STREAM (0x11): : A message control stream closed abruptly. +HTTP_INVALID_STREAM_HEADER (0x12): +: A stream header contained an unknown type or referenced an invalid stream. + +HTTP_UNMATCHED_RESPONSE (0x13): +: A response stream referenced an invalid stream. + +HTTP_UNMATCHED_DATA (0x14): +: A data stream referenced an invalid stream. + +HTTP_UNMATCHED_PUSH (0x15): +: A push stream referenced an server push request. nit: **a** server push request > @@ -758,8 +997,8 @@ QUIC simply by replacing Stream 0 in HTTP/2 with Stream 1 in HTTP/QUIC. Below is a listing of how each HTTP/2 frame type is mapped: DATA (0x0): -: Instead of DATA frames, HTTP/QUIC uses a separate data stream. See - {{stream-mapping}}. +: Instead of DATA frames, HTTP/QUIC uses a separate data stream. The code point + for DATA frames is used for the HAS_BODY frame. See {{frame-has-body}}. Maybe this answers my earlier question about HAS_BODY type? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/643#pullrequestreview-45396112 ----==_mimepart_594a58ff53c48_33553fb9419d7c38887bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
-##  Stream 1: Connection Control Stream
+~~~~~
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|   Type (8)    |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                         Push ID (32)                          |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~~~

It seems this diagram is missing the 16-bit index value described in the text.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +The stream header for a response stream contains the type octet, which is set to
+0x01, and the stream ID of the request stream that this response is for as a
+32-bit value.
+
+~~~~~
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|   Type (8)    |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                        Stream ID (32)                         |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~~~
+
+After the stream header, response streams contain a sequence of frames (see
+{{http-framing-layer}}).

Not sure where the http-framing-layer link is supposed to take us to.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 HTTP/QUIC uses the priority scheme described in {{!RFC7540}} Section 5.3. In
-this priority scheme, a given stream can be designated as dependent upon another
-stream, which expresses the preference that the latter stream (the "parent"
-stream) be allocated resources before the former stream (the "dependent"
-stream). Taken together, the dependencies across all streams in a connection
-form a dependency tree. The structure of the dependency tree changes as PRIORITY
-frames add, remove, or change the dependency links between streams.
+this priority scheme, a given request can be designated as dependent upon
+another request, which expresses the preference that the latter stream (the
+"parent" request) be allocated resources before the former stream (the
+"dependent" request). Taken together, the dependencies across all request in a

nit: the dependencies across all requests

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 HTTP/QUIC uses the priority scheme described in {{!RFC7540}} Section 5.3. In
-this priority scheme, a given stream can be designated as dependent upon another
-stream, which expresses the preference that the latter stream (the "parent"
-stream) be allocated resources before the former stream (the "dependent"
-stream). Taken together, the dependencies across all streams in a connection
-form a dependency tree. The structure of the dependency tree changes as PRIORITY
-frames add, remove, or change the dependency links between streams.
+this priority scheme, a given request can be designated as dependent upon
+another request, which expresses the preference that the latter stream (the
+"parent" request) be allocated resources before the former stream (the
+"dependent" request). Taken together, the dependencies across all request in a
+connection form a dependency tree. The structure of the dependency tree changes
+as PRIORITY frames add, remove, or change the dependency links between request.

nit: the dependency links between requests

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> -
-The data stream MUST be half-closed immediately after the transfer of the body.
-If the message does not contain a body, the corresponding data stream MUST still
-be half-closed without transferring any data. The "chunked" transfer encoding
-defined in Section 4.1 of {{!RFC7230}} MUST NOT be used.
+response may contain zero or more header blocks on the response stream
+containing the message headers of informational (1xx) HTTP responses (see
+{{!RFC7230}}, Section 3.2 and {{!RFC7231}}, Section 6.2).
+
+A message that contains a payload body includes a HAS_BODY frame immediately
+after the first header block.  This indicates that another stream will include
+the payload body.  A data stream is opened to carry the payload body.  The data
+stream MUST be closed immediately after sending the body.  If the message does
+not contain a body, a data stream MUST NOT be opened and the HAS_BODY message
+MUST NOT be sent.  The "chunked" transfer encoding defined in Section 4.1 of
+{{!RFC7230}} MUST NOT be used.
 
 Trailing header fields are carried in an additional header block on the message
 control stream. Such a header block is a sequence of HEADERS frames with End

Sending trailing header fields on the control stream seems like a hangover from earlier design.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
-The server push response is conveyed in the same way as a non-server-push
-response, with response headers and (if present) trailers carried by HEADERS
-frames sent on the control stream, and response body (if any) sent via the
-corresponding data stream.
+The server push response is conveyed on a push stream.  Aside from the stream
+header, which identifies the response stream and PUSH_PROMISE frame, a push
+stream is identical to a regular response stream ({{stream-response}}), with
+response headers and (if present) trailers carried by HEADERS frames sent on the
+control stream, and response body (if any) indicated with a HAS_BODY frame and

My reading of the design is that trailing header fields would be carried on the push stream, not the control stream.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -401,6 +547,14 @@ All frames have the following format:
 
 ## Frame Definitions {#frames}
 
+### HAS_BODY {#frame-has-body}
+
+The HAS_BODY frame indicates that the HTTP message contains a payload body.  It

Is it missing a frame type?

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -712,6 +936,21 @@ HTTP_MULTIPLE_SETTINGS (0x10):
 HTTP_RST_CONTROL_STREAM (0x11):
 : A message control stream closed abruptly.
 
+HTTP_INVALID_STREAM_HEADER (0x12):
+: A stream header contained an unknown type or referenced an invalid stream.
+
+HTTP_UNMATCHED_RESPONSE (0x13):
+: A response stream referenced an invalid stream.
+
+HTTP_UNMATCHED_DATA (0x14):
+: A data stream referenced an invalid stream.
+
+HTTP_UNMATCHED_PUSH (0x15):
+: A push stream referenced an server push request.

nit: a server push request

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -758,8 +997,8 @@ QUIC simply by replacing Stream 0 in HTTP/2 with Stream 1 in HTTP/QUIC.
 Below is a listing of how each HTTP/2 frame type is mapped:
 
 DATA (0x0):
-: Instead of DATA frames, HTTP/QUIC uses a separate data stream.  See
-  {{stream-mapping}}.
+: Instead of DATA frames, HTTP/QUIC uses a separate data stream.  The code point
+  for DATA frames is used for the HAS_BODY frame. See {{frame-has-body}}.

Maybe this answers my earlier question about HAS_BODY type?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2755,10 +2722,10 @@ stream.  For a stream that is reset, the final offset is carried explicitly in
 the RST_STREAM frame.  Otherwise, the final offset is the offset of the end of
 the data carried in STREAM frame marked with a FIN flag.
 
-An endpoint will know the final offset for a stream when the stream enters the
-"half-closed (remote)" state.  However, if there is reordering or loss, an
-endpoint might learn the final offset prior to entering this state if it is
-carried on a STREAM frame.
+An endpoint will know the final offset for a stream when it receives a STREAM
+frame with a FIN flag or a RST_STREAM frame.  If there is reordering or loss,
+an endpoint receive a STREAM frame with a FIN flag prior to the stream entering

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +continue the connection.  A server that wishes to communicate a fatal connection
+error MUST use a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame if it has sufficient state to do so.
+
+To support this process, the server sends a stateless_reset_token value during
+the handshake in the transport parameters.  This value is protected by
+encryption, so only client and server know this value.
+
+A server that receives packets that it cannot process sends a packet in the
+following layout:
+
+~~~
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|0|C|K|  00001  |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

Should CK be required to be 10 here? Keyphase makes little sense, and Connection ID is required.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+This packet SHOULD use the short header form with the shortest possible packet
+number encoding.  This minimizes the perceived gap between the last packet that
+the server sent and this packet.  The leading octet of the Stateless Reset Token
+will be interpreted as a packet number.  A server MAY use a different short
+header type, indicating a different packet number length, but this allows for
+the message to be identified as a stateless reset more easily using heuristics.
+
+A server copies the connection ID field from the packet that triggers the
+stateless reset.  A server omits the connection ID if explicitly configured to
+do so, or if the client packet did not include a connection ID.
+
+After the first short header octet and optional connection ID, the server
+includes the value of the Stateless Reset Token that it included in its
+transport parameters.
+

Is the Connection ID optional here?

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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+This packet SHOULD use the short header form with the shortest possible packet
+number encoding.  This minimizes the perceived gap between the last packet that
+the server sent and this packet.  The leading octet of the Stateless Reset Token
+will be interpreted as a packet number.  A server MAY use a different short
+header type, indicating a different packet number length, but this allows for
+the message to be identified as a stateless reset more easily using heuristics.
+
+A server copies the connection ID field from the packet that triggers the
+stateless reset.  A server omits the connection ID if explicitly configured to
+do so, or if the client packet did not include a connection ID.
+
+After the first short header octet and optional connection ID, the server
+includes the value of the Stateless Reset Token that it included in its
+transport parameters.
+

I guess it is - it is only the suggested reset token design that requires the connection ID. But if the reset is from a client that reboots and sends a reset, it cannot reproduce a unique 5-tuple, and so it requires that the connection can be identified by the reset token, unless the connection ID is available.

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The text for 1 and 3 should be the same, since it's just a matter of det= ermining what the right length is at any given moment. I don't think anyth= ing special needs to be noted about increases or decreases, but Martin's PR= should make it clearer how to pick a length.

Re 2, I think the receiver processing is quite simple and works correctl= y without any special language about shorter vs longer numbers, so I'd pref= er to avoid it. Is there a specific case you think is confusing?

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I have had the experience of being confused by the "cumulative ack"
langauge in the current draft and then explaining it to others
confused about the same thing.

cumulative' is not used in the tcp sense where
the largest-ack is cumulative for all of the packets previous to
it. It tends to mean non-revokable here (which the draft also uses -
imo to more clarity.) While future acks can incorprate the data from
old ack frames (being in that sense cumulative) they do not have to
and in some cases will not be able to be so for space reasons.

In this case I think it is just the clarifying text that is confusing

  • so less is more.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/653

Commit Summary

  • reword 'cumulative ack' language to avoid tcp confusion

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pull #653

ack numbers don't apply to all previous packets which is the usual sense of cumulative..

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+1 this, I also did a back-take when I first read this.

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I'm not sure which ones from #521 are not added in here. I wouldn't remove ones that = we need discussion on... If you want to discuss ones that are in #521, please add them bac= k in and have a separate issue on removing them.

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heh, fair enough.

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@martinthomson pushed 2 commits.

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Thu, 22 Jun 2017 00:59:18 -0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 17:59:17 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <594b1665e810b_6f003fe806159c346584f@hookshot-fe5-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] a17cc4: WIP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_594b1665e7cdc_6f003fe806159c3465773"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 00:59:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_594b1665e7cdc_6f003fe806159c3465773 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/unidirectional_mt Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: a17cc49942781533f9e77e21aa988fa2ec693f71 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a17cc49942781533f9e77e21aa988fa2ec693f71 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-22 (Thu, 22 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- WIP Commit: bb3a91e6363ccc5a7ff035898aed6037c300b9dc https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bb3a91e6363ccc5a7ff035898aed6037c300b9dc Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-22 (Thu, 22 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Initial cut at unidirectional streams Commit: df0dfb57d30fd11294195cb6c79533813ead7f8c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/df0dfb57d30fd11294195cb6c79533813ead7f8c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-22 (Thu, 22 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Fix PRIORITY to refer to requests Commit: 8d3507f691af688ec680604fb6d8ea3cac3479a0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8d3507f691af688ec680604fb6d8ea3cac3479a0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-22 (Thu, 22 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- RST_PUSH frame for early cancellation of pushes Commit: 7ed35ae10c9062cc34c4fe792e0f0463d67732f4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7ed35ae10c9062cc34c4fe792e0f0463d67732f4 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-22 (Thu, 22 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- This was a common misunderstanding with h2 Commit: df11d273add48ba73063aa28b9d2f97ca9779351 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/df11d273add48ba73063aa28b9d2f97ca9779351 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-22 (Thu, 22 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Lazy Commit: 8967aba6e7e03e6b5f143aef54426fec5eac1028 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8967aba6e7e03e6b5f143aef54426fec5eac1028 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-22 (Thu, 22 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Editorial tweaks, add HTTP_WRONG_STREAM Commit: a85d65817f79856e9f5e3bec5780025a885e51ec https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a85d65817f79856e9f5e3bec5780025a885e51ec Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-22 (Thu, 22 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Add push ID for identifying pushes Commit: d57f029810909dbbf6a8738daa2f68f218056938 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d57f029810909dbbf6a8738daa2f68f218056938 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-22 (Thu, 22 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Grammo Commit: 0bb1e3940ccb34db0222dab25c5fb85fe10d4767 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0bb1e3940ccb34db0222dab25c5fb85fe10d4767 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-22 (Thu, 22 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Change RST_STREAM to CANCEL_REQUEST As @janaiyengar notes, we just lost the ability to cancel a request. This restores that capability. Commit: 1ea64fc66565c150691803ac5763e83681cd125e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1ea64fc66565c150691803ac5763e83681cd125e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-22 (Thu, 22 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Cleanup error codes Add codes for malformed HAS_BODY and CANCEL_REQUEST. Consolidate the two WRONG_STREAM frames. 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Closes #605 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_594b167ef2f93_2a183ffd1f735c38388b8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 01:09:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_594b167ef2f93_2a183ffd1f735c38388b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 73350e11947ea7dabe863a85c55575b1efe628ba https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/73350e11947ea7dabe863a85c55575b1efe628ba Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-21 (Wed, 21 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Attempt to make the text clearer. Closes #605 Commit: c8eddaae05b2078356c539ef0bdc5e14cec61fb6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c8eddaae05b2078356c539ef0bdc5e14cec61fb6 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-22 (Thu, 22 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #649 from quicwg/packet-number-size-reordering-bug Attempt to make the packet number encoding text clearer Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/f66d3eb23996...c8eddaae05b2 ----==_mimepart_594b167ef2f93_2a183ffd1f735c38388b8-- From nobody Wed Jun 21 18:14:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4863B120721 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:14:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HGxpGmci0MXg for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m69-170.mailgun.net (m69-170.mailgun.net [166.78.69.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C9D3129471 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:14:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1498094052; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=fRuhsg8VJGnMFMi/HB5fLPtnceFowZITIy7uEkUhLac=; b=GH5NQiH0YoI3//LEiH44sQfNexPS339PPzKYpCi9Kgcfx0dkJFTLLDHGVnZ7Hcrf4R7X7SN/ XQ1O+try93Io7fESHYZKkXlrMSYYSVJgozgXddT1LuPKhn6ICXcz98iLcYS5u7pJFQySoxbr NzYVDjC37+PptTAQ+lKZpweAiXA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UrJ1U1kf5Ab0KoCFjUKIH+vkBv2HtTrb6i8bzrXDtfcPvilcjasgAomjsUM0iG2TsC4P5n Bn7FrKVvnd3r+RmTtMneOPMwhz517NbaXgn+Fy1SR+ykLcQbbD02Uzd4Lx1Q6//lL7dmiPtM qtQiMh4MhT4SUJUkUw0FV4s2IiY0A= Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.170 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.41]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 594b176b.7fd91c49df90-smtp-out-n02; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 01:03:39 -0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:03:39 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <594b176b6c1a4_657b3f8f6ce0fc3c514ac@hookshot-fe5-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 37ff3e: reword 'cumulative ack' language to avoid tcp conf... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_594b176b6bdf1_657b3f8f6ce0fc3c513d0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 01:14:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_594b176b6bdf1_657b3f8f6ce0fc3c513d0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 37ff3e66c139cd2edc3b7f27f38105cf4d1270b2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/37ff3e66c139cd2edc3b7f27f38105cf4d1270b2 Author: Patrick McManus Date: 2017-06-21 (Wed, 21 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- reword 'cumulative ack' language to avoid tcp confusion I have had the experience of being confused by the "cumulative ack" langauge in the current draft and then explaining it to others confused about the same thing. cumulative' is not used in the tcp sense where the largest-ack is cumulative for all of the packets previous to it. It tends to mean non-revokable here (which the draft also uses - imo to more clarity.) While future acks can incorprate the data from old ack frames (being in that sense cumulative) they do not have to and in some cases will not be able to be so for space reasons. In this case I think it is just the clarifying text that is confusing - so less is more. Commit: 80c3c228e18681bb8fad3cb18109de822bf1336e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/80c3c228e18681bb8fad3cb18109de822bf1336e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-22 (Thu, 22 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #653 from mcmanus/edit-cumulative reword 'cumulative ack' language to avoid tcp confusion Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/c8eddaae05b2...80c3c228e186 ----==_mimepart_594b176b6bdf1_657b3f8f6ce0fc3c513d0-- From nobody Wed Jun 21 18:19:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40908129410 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:19:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.801 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EwQQ-Z6uRPNU for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E90681293FD for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:19:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=c+2gVY3kjP/1UCUfyf+/R/sh0tM=; b=pgw8j6260y0s3GLc eIV9rkxC1neEL1QTQDfwdvKUwSBt6YOwxnXvDdaVeHla6XcUP35TiyHFG25ZBlHg HXagpHoQpM3uDxIs2AZqSNGjXyPl7FQQVrV1R5+fmBKNDL8QS1B6Mi3LIBWPlPz5 27eYQgwTs/FusyMFjps/bx5GUZg= Received: by filter0836p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0836p1mdw1-24434-594B1B0A-C 2017-06-22 01:19:06.13443859 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id mxmhzmPMSkalFKqnjAcoNQ for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 01:19:06.163 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:19:06 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Error codes (#211) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_594b1b0a14f70_210c63f9a8822dc3056023"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0uZTdaEHPW3upw19ANY/FNoHKiRDDA0WVUps CfwlQAAgRxXZv5kYJTaiIQLiltJPiVPKExDs2At2Wr+zY4hWVLl0SmOkXxlTOKWqFm5en/H7dp2Z0Y rN1mhDA/2wtesZnWuKCR3fjETKKYWTE6lMs9GuOCHw1k3nbIFYC83q4UBo8yMw2FSPux4OGRzZiuB5 U= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 01:19:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_594b1b0a14f70_210c63f9a8822dc3056023 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Moving discussion from #467 here. @janaiyengar proposed retaining the following error codes. Here are my reasons for removing them: If the intent is to signal to the other side, then I can't see how HANDSHAKE_TIMEOUT or NETWORK_IDLE_TIMEOUT would be sent, so I removed it. Similar to the timeouts, UNENCRYPTED_STREAM_DATA, INVALID_VERSION_NEGOTIATION_PACKET, and ADDRESS_VALIDATION_FAILURE can't be sent in anything. Maybe if we managed to come to some conclusion about how to signal handshake errors (#608), then maybe this sort of error can be restored. I have no idea how to signal PUBLIC_RESET_RECEIVED either. TOO_MANY_RTOS seems to fall into the same category as the timeouts, but I can't tell because it isn't referenced anywhere. All of the above seem to be best suited to passing across the interface between a QUIC stack and the application that uses it. I removed CRYPTO_STREAM_CLOSED and PAYLOAD_MISSING on the basis that these were too specific, but I'm happy to retain them. I'd prefer to open issues tracking their restoration so that we can add text on when they are generated (see below). Finally, none of these error codes was referenced by text in the document. If the document doesn't describe the conditions for generating the code, then they clearly weren't that important. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/211#issuecomment-310248684 ----==_mimepart_594b1b0a14f70_210c63f9a8822dc3056023 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Moving discussion from #= 467 here.

@janai= yengar proposed retaining the following error codes. Here are my reaso= ns for removing them:

If the intent is to signal to the other side, then I can't see how HANDS= HAKE_TIMEOUT or NETWORK_IDLE_TIMEOUT would be sent, so I removed it.

Similar to the timeouts, UNENCRYPTED_STREAM_DATA, INVALID_VERSION_NEGOTI= ATION_PACKET, and ADDRESS_VALIDATION_FAILURE can't be sent in anything. Ma= ybe if we managed to come to some conclusion about how to signal handshake = errors (#608), then = maybe this sort of error can be restored.

I have no idea how to signal PUBLIC_RESET_RECEIVED either.

TOO_MANY_RTOS seems to fall into the same category as the timeouts, but = I can't tell because it isn't referenced anywhere.

All of the above seem to be best suited to passing across the interface = between a QUIC stack and the application that uses it.

I removed CRYPTO_STREAM_CLOSED and PAYLOAD_MISSING on the basis that the= se were too specific, but I'm happy to retain them. I'd prefer to open iss= ues tracking their restoration so that we can add text on when they are gen= erated (see below).

Finally, none of these error codes was referenced by text in the documen= t. If the document doesn't describe the conditions for generating the code= , then they clearly weren't that important.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop approved this pull request. As we've discussed, I highly approve moving in this direction, and this looks like a solid way of doing it. Side-note for the transport draft: In my version of this, I found it useful to subdivide the frame types into three categories: - Frames about streams you're sending - Frames about streams you're receiving - Frames about the connection ...and then be clear anywhere there's a stream reference whether that refers to the sender of the frame's stream or the receiver of the frame's stream. > ## HTTP Message Exchanges -A client sends an HTTP request on a new pair of QUIC streams. A server sends an -HTTP response on the same streams as the request. +A client sends an HTTP request on a new QUIC request stream Nit: a "QUIC request stream" implies that request streams are a QUIC-layer concept, not an HTTP-layer one. Maybe a "new request stream," possibly augmented by some reinforcement that all stream types are QUIC streams? > @@ -320,39 +449,45 @@ A proxy that supports CONNECT establishes a TCP connection ({{!RFC0793}}) to the server identified in the ":authority" pseudo-header field. Once this connection is successfully established, the proxy sends a HEADERS frame containing a 2xx series status code to the client, as defined in {{!RFC7231}}, Section 4.3.6, on -the message control stream. - -All QUIC STREAM frames on the message data stream correspond to data sent on the -TCP connection. Any QUIC STREAM frame sent by the client is transmitted by the -proxy to the TCP server; data received from the TCP server is written to the -data stream by the proxy. Note that the size and number of TCP segments is not -guaranteed to map predictably to the size and number of QUIC STREAM frames. - -The TCP connection can be closed by either peer. When the client half-closes the -data stream, the proxy will set the FIN bit on its connection to the TCP server. -When the proxy receives a packet with the FIN bit set, it will half-close the -corresponding data stream. TCP connections which remain half-closed in a single +the response stream. + +The data received on the data streams associated with this exchange after the Might want to be explicit that the request/response streams will need to have HAS_BODY, but I know that's considered vestigial. > -The server push response is conveyed in the same way as a non-server-push -response, with response headers and (if present) trailers carried by HEADERS -frames sent on the control stream, and response body (if any) sent via the -corresponding data stream. +The server push response is conveyed on a push stream. Aside from the stream +header, which identifies the response stream and PUSH_PROMISE frame, a push +stream is identical to a regular response stream ({{stream-response}}), with +response headers and (if present) trailers carried by HEADERS frames sent on the +control stream, and response body (if any) indicated with a HAS_BODY frame and Agreed. Any mention of a request having a control stream is leftover from my old terminology -- "on the push stream." > -The server push response is conveyed in the same way as a non-server-push -response, with response headers and (if present) trailers carried by HEADERS -frames sent on the control stream, and response body (if any) sent via the -corresponding data stream. +The server push response is conveyed on a push stream. Aside from the stream +header, which identifies the response stream and PUSH_PROMISE frame, a push +stream is identical to a regular response stream ({{stream-response}}), with +response headers and (if present) trailers carried by HEADERS frames sent on the +control stream, and response body (if any) indicated with a HAS_BODY frame and +associated data stream. # HTTP Framing Layer I think the {{http-framing-layer}} link is intended to point here, but it doesn't have an anchor. > The semantics of the Stream Dependency, Weight, and E flag are the same as in HTTP/2. The flags defined are: + PUSH (0x04): For consistency, this might be PUSH_PRIORITIZED. Not stuck on that, though. > Stream Dependency: - : A 32-bit stream identifier for the stream that this stream depends on (see - {{priority}} and {!RFC7540}} Section 5.3). + : A 32-bit stream identifier for a dependent request. This contains the + stream ID of a request stream when the PUSH flag is clear, or a push ID when + the PUSH flag is set. A request stream ID of 0 indicates a dependency on + the root stream. For details of dependencies, see{{priority}} and Missing a space. > + +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ + | Error Code (32) | + +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +~~~~~~~~~~ +{: #fig-cancel-request title="CANCEL_REQUEST frame payload"} + +The CANCEL_REQUEST frame payload has the following fields: + + Request Stream/Push ID: + : A 32-bit stream ID or Push ID that identifies the request. If the PUSH flag + is set, this refers to a Push ID included in a PUSH_PROMISE frame (see + {{frame-push-promise}}); if the PUSH flag is cleared, this refers to a + request by its stream ID. + + Error Code: + : A 32-bit error code indicating why the response is not desired. Feels a little weird lifting the QUIC error code space into the HTTP frames as well. Are we sure we need the error code at this level? "I no longer want it" is already implied by the frame. > +| Connection Control | n/a | {{stream-control}} | +| Request | 0x00 | {{stream-request}} | +| Response | 0x01 | {{stream-response}} | +| Data | 0x02 | {{stream-data}} | +| Push | 0x03 | {{stream-push}} | +{: #stream-type-table title="Stream Types"} + +An endpoint MUST terminate the connection with an HTTP_INVALID_STREAM_HEADER +error if it receives a stream header that uses an unknown or unsupported type. + + +### Stream 1: Connection Control Stream {#stream-control} + +Stream 1 is opened by both client and server and is used for the SETTINGS frame +immediately after the connection opens. After the SETTINGS frame has been sent, +this stream is used for PRIORITY frames. And CANCEL_REQUEST frames > @@ -648,7 +889,9 @@ entire connection when an error is encountered. These are referred to as [QUIC-TRANSPORT]. HTTP/QUIC requires that only data streams be terminated abruptly. Terminating a -message control stream will result in an error of type HTTP_RST_CONTROL_STREAM. +request, response or push stream will result in an error of type +HTTP_RST_CONTROL_STREAM. \[Editor's note: this is clearly busted right now, +because data streams don't always exist.] But not so badly, since you can always use CANCEL_REQUEST instead of telling QUIC to reset the stream. > -### half-closed (remote) {#state-hc-remote} +A stream becomes "closed" at the receiving endpoint when all data is received +and a STREAM frame with a FIN flag is received or when a RST_STREAM frame is +received. It's the associatives that are hard to parse, I think. ("all data" AND ("STREAM with FIN" OR "RST_STREAM")) versus (("all data" AND "STREAM with FIN") OR "RST_STREAM") I know which one you mean, and probably everyone in the WG does, but someone reading this document to understand QUIC might get confused. The "whens" do delineate two cases, but I can understand that being glossed over. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/643#pullrequestreview-45627079 ----==_mimepart_594b628ce663e_db213f9d9206fc3812396 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@MikeBishop approved this pull request.

As we've discussed, I highly approve moving in this direction, and this looks like a solid way of doing it. Side-note for the transport draft: In my version of this, I found it useful to subdivide the frame types into three categories:

  • Frames about streams you're sending
  • Frames about streams you're receiving
  • Frames about the connection

...and then be clear anywhere there's a stream reference whether that refers to the sender of the frame's stream or the receiver of the frame's stream.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 ## HTTP Message Exchanges
 
-A client sends an HTTP request on a new pair of QUIC streams. A server sends an
-HTTP response on the same streams as the request.
+A client sends an HTTP request on a new QUIC request stream

Nit: a "QUIC request stream" implies that request streams are a QUIC-layer concept, not an HTTP-layer one. Maybe a "new request stream," possibly augmented by some reinforcement that all stream types are QUIC streams?

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -320,39 +449,45 @@ A proxy that supports CONNECT establishes a TCP connection ({{!RFC0793}}) to the
 server identified in the ":authority" pseudo-header field. Once this connection
 is successfully established, the proxy sends a HEADERS frame containing a 2xx
 series status code to the client, as defined in {{!RFC7231}}, Section 4.3.6, on
-the message control stream.
-
-All QUIC STREAM frames on the message data stream correspond to data sent on the
-TCP connection. Any QUIC STREAM frame sent by the client is transmitted by the
-proxy to the TCP server; data received from the TCP server is written to the
-data stream by the proxy. Note that the size and number of TCP segments is not
-guaranteed to map predictably to the size and number of QUIC STREAM frames.
-
-The TCP connection can be closed by either peer. When the client half-closes the
-data stream, the proxy will set the FIN bit on its connection to the TCP server.
-When the proxy receives a packet with the FIN bit set, it will half-close the
-corresponding data stream. TCP connections which remain half-closed in a single
+the response stream.
+
+The data received on the data streams associated with this exchange after the

Might want to be explicit that the request/response streams will need to have HAS_BODY, but I know that's considered vestigial.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
-The server push response is conveyed in the same way as a non-server-push
-response, with response headers and (if present) trailers carried by HEADERS
-frames sent on the control stream, and response body (if any) sent via the
-corresponding data stream.
+The server push response is conveyed on a push stream.  Aside from the stream
+header, which identifies the response stream and PUSH_PROMISE frame, a push
+stream is identical to a regular response stream ({{stream-response}}), with
+response headers and (if present) trailers carried by HEADERS frames sent on the
+control stream, and response body (if any) indicated with a HAS_BODY frame and

Agreed. Any mention of a request having a control stream is leftover from my old terminology -- "on the push stream."

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
-The server push response is conveyed in the same way as a non-server-push
-response, with response headers and (if present) trailers carried by HEADERS
-frames sent on the control stream, and response body (if any) sent via the
-corresponding data stream.
+The server push response is conveyed on a push stream.  Aside from the stream
+header, which identifies the response stream and PUSH_PROMISE frame, a push
+stream is identical to a regular response stream ({{stream-response}}), with
+response headers and (if present) trailers carried by HEADERS frames sent on the
+control stream, and response body (if any) indicated with a HAS_BODY frame and
+associated data stream.
 
 
 # HTTP Framing Layer

I think the {{http-framing-layer}} link is intended to point here, but it doesn't have an anchor.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  The semantics of the Stream Dependency, Weight, and E flag are the same as in
 HTTP/2.
 
 The flags defined are:
 
+  PUSH (0x04):

For consistency, this might be PUSH_PRIORITIZED. Not stuck on that, though.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
   Stream Dependency:
-  : A 32-bit stream identifier for the stream that this stream depends on (see
-    {{priority}} and {!RFC7540}} Section 5.3).
+  : A 32-bit stream identifier for a dependent request.  This contains the
+    stream ID of a request stream when the PUSH flag is clear, or a push ID when
+    the PUSH flag is set.  A request stream ID of 0 indicates a dependency on
+    the root stream. For details of dependencies, see{{priority}} and

Missing a space.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+   |                      Error Code (32)                          |
+   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~~~~~~~~
+{: #fig-cancel-request title="CANCEL_REQUEST frame payload"}
+
+The CANCEL_REQUEST frame payload has the following fields:
+
+  Request Stream/Push ID:
+  : A 32-bit stream ID or Push ID that identifies the request.  If the PUSH flag
+    is set, this refers to a Push ID included in a PUSH_PROMISE frame (see
+    {{frame-push-promise}}); if the PUSH flag is cleared, this refers to a
+    request by its stream ID.
+
+  Error Code:
+  : A 32-bit error code indicating why the response is not desired.

Feels a little weird lifting the QUIC error code space into the HTTP frames as well. Are we sure we need the error code at this level? "I no longer want it" is already implied by the frame.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +| Connection Control | n/a  | {{stream-control}}  |
+| Request            | 0x00 | {{stream-request}}  |
+| Response           | 0x01 | {{stream-response}} |
+| Data               | 0x02 | {{stream-data}}     |
+| Push               | 0x03 | {{stream-push}}     |
+{: #stream-type-table title="Stream Types"}
+
+An endpoint MUST terminate the connection with an HTTP_INVALID_STREAM_HEADER
+error if it receives a stream header that uses an unknown or unsupported type.
+
+
+### Stream 1: Connection Control Stream {#stream-control}
+
+Stream 1 is opened by both client and server and is used for the SETTINGS frame
+immediately after the connection opens.  After the SETTINGS frame has been sent,
+this stream is used for PRIORITY frames.

And CANCEL_REQUEST frames

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -648,7 +889,9 @@ entire connection when an error is encountered.  These are referred to as
 [QUIC-TRANSPORT].
 
 HTTP/QUIC requires that only data streams be terminated abruptly.  Terminating a
-message control stream will result in an error of type HTTP_RST_CONTROL_STREAM.
+request, response or push stream will result in an error of type
+HTTP_RST_CONTROL_STREAM.  \[Editor's note: this is clearly busted right now,
+because data streams don't always exist.]

But not so badly, since you can always use CANCEL_REQUEST instead of telling QUIC to reset the stream.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-### half-closed (remote) {#state-hc-remote}
+A stream becomes "closed" at the receiving endpoint when all data is received
+and a STREAM frame with a FIN flag is received or when a RST_STREAM frame is
+received.

It's the associatives that are hard to parse, I think. ("all data" AND ("STREAM with FIN" OR "RST_STREAM")) versus (("all data" AND "STREAM with FIN") OR "RST_STREAM")

I know which one you mean, and probably everyone in the WG does, but someone reading this document to understand QUIC might get confused. The "whens" do delineate two cases, but I can understand that being glossed over.

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Thanks for enumerating the removed error codes.

I suspect we'll want to reinstate some of those, but none of them seem p= ressing at the moment.

To clarify, the replacement for HANDSHAKE_TIMEOUT and NETWORK_IDLE_TIMEO= UT is NO_ERROR?

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#221 references 0R= TT ACKs in TLS.
For other cleartext ACKs the text is a bit vague :

An endpoint SHOULD use data from unprotected or 0-RTT-protected "ACK"
frames only during the initial handshake and while they have
insufficient information from 1-RTT-protected "ACK" frames. Once
sufficient information has been obtained from protected messages,
information obtained from less reliable sources can be discarded.

Ignoring 0-RTT:
Does this mean cleartext ACK can remain valid after handshake? Considering = constraints on cleartext content (stream 0 + ACK only), I don't think it is= relevant anymore, but if it is relevant, would that not follow automatical= ly: if a packet is not acknowledged and not retransmitted, that ack is rele= vant, otherwise it is not - same as any ACK?

If the text means remains relevant until handshake or sufficient informa= tion obtained - that would not be possible before handshake anyway?

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A stream frame's payload MUST NOT be empty, unless the FIN bit is set.

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----==_mimepart_594be1a7e1e9a_273ea3fc557c55c2c58126-- From nobody Thu Jun 22 08:58:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DEFC127333 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 08:58:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.597 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.597 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dLyzPk5BNwpA for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 08:58:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F07912420B for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 08:58:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=c6tOkM5VwP/M+U04+jLaKc+aQ4w=; b=E4moWIMsTHuVfmB4 SGc2BA2u+LGPH3CyzmrgiZKK9VVwDIn5i88DylO7rM6UPTFsrjP7ysIuGvyH7n32 c/bARb1Oz436ffMP5nyjmmgdfSK63A90PubTXwWtxqnoSuBzv1ojuERm+KGR7GPm kYJQy6Ax6b7iVRsHEidqkmkU57k= Received: by filter0996p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0996p1mdw1-25773-594BE910-20 2017-06-22 15:58:08.289835941 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id jvFVbNIfTyayQXd4b903ng for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 15:58:08.105 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 08:58:07 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] handshake and 0rtt data in a single packet (#630) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_594be90ff009b_14203fd8655cbc3c872fc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3yHXZ1IHYr9AZcLbtTRtuCH32J4VYVVQlQSj /BN0SaOG9CUbtojMHREIIb4ZPClCKREUaovmI4zcwBLZto7Ffa2+/cPC9UJciA3ADMSs7LCrO8eNjC ndKJemSAb9qwbg6+cwWgnIMiVpKS+SHLMiFJAH7461wG60fzObFuEYWNlBo/GYqe4kBwUdKu7TeVdM c= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 15:58:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_594be90ff009b_14203fd8655cbc3c872fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there a reason not to simply define Client Initial to *always* contain a cleartext portion and a 0-RTT portion? If you don't have a 0-RTT key, that section will be empty, but so what? If the server doesn't accept the 0-RTT that you didn't offer, it won't try to decrypt it, so it can be random padding. (Or you can pad in cleartext, I suppose.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/630#issuecomment-310424081 ----==_mimepart_594be90ff009b_14203fd8655cbc3c872fc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Is there a reason not to simply define Client Initial to always= contain a cleartext portion and a 0-RTT portion? If you don't have a 0-RT= T key, that section will be empty, but so what? If the server doesn't acce= pt the 0-RTT that you didn't offer, it won't try to decrypt it, so it can b= e random padding. (Or you can pad in cleartext, I suppose.)

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As noted above, this creates a situation in which there are two different packet protection mechanisms applied to the same message (the AEAD and the cleartext integrity check). That seems unfortunate.

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It appears that a client or server might not always be able to send a re= set on the original communication path because the OS might not give access= to the ephemeral port required. Perhaps some guidance is needed. I can't w= rap my head around whether this is a real concern or not.

If a packet can be sent by other means, each connection could be indexed= by the reset token previously received.

There is also the potential case where client and server both use fixed = (non-ephemeral) ports in a symmeric p2p configuration, but that is not curr= ently possible due 5-tuple uniqueness requirement, but a symmetric reset wo= uld be more important and easier to handle.

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This seems like a good start > # Streams: QUIC's Data Structuring Abstraction {#streams} -Streams in QUIC provide a lightweight, ordered, and bidirectional byte-stream -abstraction modeled closely on HTTP/2 streams {{?RFC7540}}. +Streams in QUIC provide a lightweight, ordered, and unidirectional byte-stream. nit: "and" is unnecessary here. > -Stream ID 0 (0x0) is reserved for the cryptographic handshake. Stream 0 MUST -NOT be used for application data, and is the first client-initiated stream. +Stream ID 0 (0x0) in both directions is reserved for the cryptographic Nit: "0x0" is unnecessary here. People know what 0 is. > -Stream ID 0 (0x0) is reserved for the cryptographic handshake. Stream 0 MUST -NOT be used for application data, and is the first client-initiated stream. +Stream ID 0 (0x0) in both directions is reserved for the cryptographic +handshake. Both client and server send cryptographic handshake messages on +their stream 0, which is bound into a bidirectional channel. Stream 0 MUST NOT I'm not sure you need to say "bound into a bidirectional channel". you just send on one and receive on the other. > @@ -2337,13 +2338,21 @@ Stream IDs are usually encoded as a 32-bit integer, though the STREAM frame stream ID are zero. -## Life of a Stream +## Stream States + +Endpoints do not coordinate the creation of streams; they are created +unilaterally by either endpoint. by the endpoint which will be sending on them. I know you say that below. > @@ -2337,13 +2338,21 @@ Stream IDs are usually encoded as a 32-bit integer, though the STREAM frame stream ID are zero. -## Life of a Stream +## Stream States + +Endpoints do not coordinate the creation of streams; they are created +unilaterally by either endpoint. + +A stream sender controls the state of its streams; the state of a stream is only +affected by frames that are sent by the sending endpoint. However, Isn't this going to be wrong if you are going to allow receiver RST? > @@ -2337,13 +2338,21 @@ Stream IDs are usually encoded as a 32-bit integer, though the STREAM frame stream ID are zero. -## Life of a Stream +## Stream States + +Endpoints do not coordinate the creation of streams; they are created +unilaterally by either endpoint. + +A stream sender controls the state of its streams; the state of a stream is only +affected by frames that are sent by the sending endpoint. However, And in any case, isn't the window part of the state? > | | +--------+ + | + send STREAM with FIN flag + send RST_STREAM + | + v + +--------+ + | | + | closed | + | | + +--------+ +~~~ This seems like it's a bug in the current state machine too, but there's clearly a difference between FIN and RST because the sender still has to retransmit when it has sent FIN. I guess you could claim that these are substates, but now that you've simplified this piece of the state machine, I think adding them explicitly here would make sense. > -### idle +### The "idle" State I think I would write separate state descriptions for each side. Let me know if you want help. > -described in {{stream-id}}. A RST_STREAM frame, or a STREAM frame with the FIN -flag set also causes a stream to become "half-closed". - -An endpoint might receive MAX_STREAM_DATA or STREAM_BLOCKED frames on -peer-initiated streams that are "idle" if there is loss or reordering of -packets. Receiving these frames also causes the stream to become "open". - -An endpoint MUST NOT send a STREAM or RST_STREAM frame for a stream ID that is -higher than the peers advertised maximum stream ID (see -{{frame-max-stream-id}}). - +Sending a STREAM or RST_STREAM frame causes the identified stream to become +"open" for a sending endpoint. New streams use the next available stream +identifier, as described in {{stream-id}}. An endpoint MUST NOT send a STREAM +or RST_STREAM frame for a stream ID that is higher than the peers advertised +maximum stream ID (see {{frame-max-stream-id}}). Can you say what the other side does in this case? > -### half-closed (remote) {#state-hc-remote} +A stream becomes "closed" at the receiving endpoint when all data is received +and a STREAM frame with a FIN flag is received or when a RST_STREAM frame is +received. I think it would be helpful to reorder these, i.e., "A stream becomes "closed" at the receiving endpoint when an RST_STREAM frame is received. when all data is received and a STREAM frame with a FIN flag is received" Because as-is it is ambiguous if you just read this section in isolation > - -### closed {#state-closed} - -The "closed" state is the terminal state for a stream. - -Once a stream reaches this state, no frames can be sent that mention the stream. -Reordering might cause frames to be received after closing, see -{{state-hc-remote}}. +An endpoint could continue receiving frames for the stream even after the stream +is closed for sending if packets are reordered. At the receiving endpoint, +retransmissions of data in STREAM frames, or retransmissions of STREAM_BLOCKED +and RST_STREAM frames might arrive after the stream becomes "closed". At the +sending endpoint, MAX_STREAM_DATA frames might be received after the stream +becomes "closed". Frames received on a "closed" stream SHOULD be discarded. An +endpoint MAY choose to limit the period over which it ignores frames and treat +frames that arrive after this time as being in error. This graf is a bit confusing, because you first say that you should discard frames on a closed stream and then you say that you may instead ignore them only after some time. Why would I want to do that? What would I do if I didn't ignore them? > -treated as a connection error of type HTTP_RST_CONTROL_STREAM. When a message -control stream terminates cleanly, if the last frame on the stream was -truncated, this MUST be treated as a connection error (see HTTP_MALFORMED_* in -{{http-error-codes}}). - -Pairs of streams must be utilized sequentially, with no gaps. The data stream -is opened at the same time as the message control stream is opened and is closed -after transferring the body. The data stream is closed immediately after -sending the request headers if there is no body. +the stream management. An HTTP request/response consumes a pair of streams in +each direction. + +Aside from the connection control stream, the beginning of each stream starts +with a short stream header. This stream header is used to identify the type of +stream and to link the stream to another stream as necessary. See +{{stream-header}} for more details on the stream header. Nit: I would put this cite after the first sentence. > -sending the request headers if there is no body. +the stream management. An HTTP request/response consumes a pair of streams in +each direction. + +Aside from the connection control stream, the beginning of each stream starts +with a short stream header. This stream header is used to identify the type of +stream and to link the stream to another stream as necessary. See +{{stream-header}} for more details on the stream header. + +\[Editor's Note: the following is clearly busted. Requests and responses can't +reliably be cancelled as a result of this change. We will need QPACK/QCRAM for +this to work.] Request, response and push streams contain HPACK data which +manipulates connection-level state. Therefore, these streams MUST NOT be closed +with a stream-level error. + +Streams must be opened sequentially, with no gaps. Data streams SHOULD be Isn't this already a QUIC invariant? > -sending the request headers if there is no body. +the stream management. An HTTP request/response consumes a pair of streams in +each direction. + +Aside from the connection control stream, the beginning of each stream starts +with a short stream header. This stream header is used to identify the type of +stream and to link the stream to another stream as necessary. See +{{stream-header}} for more details on the stream header. + +\[Editor's Note: the following is clearly busted. Requests and responses can't +reliably be cancelled as a result of this change. We will need QPACK/QCRAM for +this to work.] Request, response and push streams contain HPACK data which +manipulates connection-level state. Therefore, these streams MUST NOT be closed +with a stream-level error. + +Streams must be opened sequentially, with no gaps. Data streams SHOULD be "New streams use the next available stream" > +~~~~~ + +After the stream header, response streams contain a sequence of frames (see +{{http-framing-layer}}). + +If a response stream header identifies a stream that is not a request stream, or +it references a request stream that already has an associated response stream, +the connection MUST be terminated with an HTTP_UNMATCHED_RESPONSE error. + + +### Data Streams {#stream-data} + +Data streams are opened by both client and server. Data streams carry the +payload body of requests or responses. + +The stream header for a response stream contains the type octet, which is set to I think you mean "data stream" > +| Type (8) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Stream ID (32) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +~~~~~ + +After the stream header, data streams contain the octets of the payload body. +Data streams do not carry frames. + +Data streams MUST reference a request or response stream. The referenced stream +MUST include a HAS_BODY frame. If a data stream is received that references a +stream of a different type, the referenced stream does not include a HAS_BODY +frame, or another data stream already references the identified steam, then the +connection MUST be terminated with a HTTP_UNMATCHED_BODY error. Note that due +to reordering of packets, the referenced stream or HAS_BODY frame might not have +been received when the data stream is opened. So, the implementation here is: - If has_body frame received, then process stream - Else, block until either (a) has_body frame received, in which case process stream (b) fin/rst received in which case send error > - -An HTTP request/response exchange fully consumes a pair of streams. After -sending a request, a client closes the streams for sending; after sending a -response, the server closes its streams for sending and the QUIC streams are -fully closed. +response may contain zero or more header blocks on the response stream +containing the message headers of informational (1xx) HTTP responses (see +{{!RFC7230}}, Section 3.2 and {{!RFC7231}}, Section 6.2). + +A message that contains a payload body includes a HAS_BODY frame immediately +after the first header block. This indicates that another stream will include +the payload body. A data stream is opened to carry the payload body. The data +stream MUST be closed immediately after sending the body. If the message does +not contain a body, a data stream MUST NOT be opened and the HAS_BODY message +MUST NOT be sent. The "chunked" transfer encoding defined in Section 4.1 of +{{!RFC7230}} MUST NOT be used. I wonder if it would make more sense to have the pointer to the body stream here rather than a back pointer for the dependency > @@ -401,6 +538,17 @@ All frames have the following format: ## Frame Definitions {#frames} +### HAS_BODY {#frame-has-body} + +The HAS_BODY frame (type=0x0) indicates that the HTTP message contains a payload +body. It is sent after the initial header block on a request, response, or push +stream. + +The HAS_BODY frame has no flags and is always empty. A HAS_BODY frame with a +non-empty payload or flags that are set MUST be treated as a +HTTP_MALFORMED_HAS_BODY error. Might it be easier to just put this field in the header block > + + Request Stream/Push ID: + : A 32-bit stream ID or Push ID that identifies the request. If the PUSH flag + is set, this refers to a Push ID included in a PUSH_PROMISE frame (see + {{frame-push-promise}}); if the PUSH flag is cleared, this refers to a + request by its stream ID. + + Error Code: + : A 32-bit error code indicating why the response is not desired. + +A CANCEL_REQUEST frame always contains an 8 octet payload. A server MUST treat +a CANCEL_REQUEST frame payload that is other than 8 octets in length, or a +CANCEL_REQUEST frame that identifies a stream that doesn't carry a valid request +as an HTTP_MALFORMED_CANCEL_REQUEST error. Note however that due to packet +reordering, a CANCEL_REQUEST frame could arrive before the request stream that +it references is opened. This is weird text. Isn't it always the case that if you receive an unexpected frame structure you are sad? > +ID MUST be treated as a HTTP_MALFORMED_PRIORITY error. + +The length of a PRIORITY frame is 9 octets. A PRIORITY frame with any other +length MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_PRIORITY. + + +### CANCEL_REQUEST {#frame-cancel-request} + +The CANCEL_REQUEST frame (type=0x3) is used to request cancellation of a request +prior to the response stream being created. This frame can be used to cancel +both outstanding requests initiated by a client and server push requests that +are initiated with a PUSH_PROMISE. + +The frame identifies a client-initiated request by the stream ID that carried +the request; a server push request is identified by Push ID (see +{{frame-push-promise}}). Don't you mean "request ID" that's what you are using for dependencies -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@ekr commented on this pull request.

This seems like a good start

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  # Streams: QUIC's Data Structuring Abstraction {#streams}
 
-Streams in QUIC provide a lightweight, ordered, and bidirectional byte-stream
-abstraction modeled closely on HTTP/2 streams {{?RFC7540}}.
+Streams in QUIC provide a lightweight, ordered, and unidirectional byte-stream.

nit: "and" is unnecessary here.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Stream ID 0 (0x0) is reserved for the cryptographic handshake.  Stream 0 MUST
-NOT be used for application data, and is the first client-initiated stream.
+Stream ID 0 (0x0) in both directions is reserved for the cryptographic

Nit: "0x0" is unnecessary here. People know what 0 is.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Stream ID 0 (0x0) is reserved for the cryptographic handshake.  Stream 0 MUST
-NOT be used for application data, and is the first client-initiated stream.
+Stream ID 0 (0x0) in both directions is reserved for the cryptographic
+handshake.  Both client and server send cryptographic handshake messages on
+their stream 0, which is bound into a bidirectional channel.  Stream 0 MUST NOT

I'm not sure you need to say "bound into a bidirectional channel". you just send on one and receive on the other.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2337,13 +2338,21 @@ Stream IDs are usually encoded as a 32-bit integer, though the STREAM frame
 stream ID are zero.
 
 
-## Life of a Stream
+## Stream States
+
+Endpoints do not coordinate the creation of streams; they are created
+unilaterally by either endpoint.

by the endpoint which will be sending on them. I know you say that below.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2337,13 +2338,21 @@ Stream IDs are usually encoded as a 32-bit integer, though the STREAM frame
 stream ID are zero.
 
 
-## Life of a Stream
+## Stream States
+
+Endpoints do not coordinate the creation of streams; they are created
+unilaterally by either endpoint.
+
+A stream sender controls the state of its streams; the state of a stream is only
+affected by frames that are sent by the sending endpoint.  However,

Isn't this going to be wrong if you are going to allow receiver RST?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2337,13 +2338,21 @@ Stream IDs are usually encoded as a 32-bit integer, though the STREAM frame
 stream ID are zero.
 
 
-## Life of a Stream
+## Stream States
+
+Endpoints do not coordinate the creation of streams; they are created
+unilaterally by either endpoint.
+
+A stream sender controls the state of its streams; the state of a stream is only
+affected by frames that are sent by the sending endpoint.  However,

And in any case, isn't the window part of the state?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>                              |        |
                             +--------+
+                                 |
+                      send STREAM with FIN flag
+                         send RST_STREAM
+                                 |
+                                 v
+                            +--------+
+                            |        |
+                            | closed |
+                            |        |
+                            +--------+
+~~~

This seems like it's a bug in the current state machine too, but there's clearly a difference between FIN and RST because the sender still has to retransmit when it has sent FIN. I guess you could claim that these are substates, but now that you've simplified this piece of the state machine, I think adding them explicitly here would make sense.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 
-### idle
+### The "idle" State

I think I would write separate state descriptions for each side. Let me know if you want help.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -described in {{stream-id}}.  A RST_STREAM frame, or a STREAM frame with the FIN
-flag set also causes a stream to become "half-closed".
-
-An endpoint might receive MAX_STREAM_DATA or STREAM_BLOCKED frames on
-peer-initiated streams that are "idle" if there is loss or reordering of
-packets.  Receiving these frames also causes the stream to become "open".
-
-An endpoint MUST NOT send a STREAM or RST_STREAM frame for a stream ID that is
-higher than the peers advertised maximum stream ID (see
-{{frame-max-stream-id}}).
-
+Sending a STREAM or RST_STREAM frame causes the identified stream to become
+"open" for a sending endpoint.  New streams use the next available stream
+identifier, as described in {{stream-id}}.  An endpoint MUST NOT send a STREAM
+or RST_STREAM frame for a stream ID that is higher than the peers advertised
+maximum stream ID (see {{frame-max-stream-id}}).

Can you say what the other side does in this case?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-### half-closed (remote) {#state-hc-remote}
+A stream becomes "closed" at the receiving endpoint when all data is received
+and a STREAM frame with a FIN flag is received or when a RST_STREAM frame is
+received.

I think it would be helpful to reorder these, i.e.,
"A stream becomes "closed" at the receiving endpoint
when an RST_STREAM frame is received. when all data is received
and a STREAM frame with a FIN flag is received"

Because as-is it is ambiguous if you just read this section in isolation

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -
-### closed {#state-closed}
-
-The "closed" state is the terminal state for a stream.
-
-Once a stream reaches this state, no frames can be sent that mention the stream.
-Reordering might cause frames to be received after closing, see
-{{state-hc-remote}}.
+An endpoint could continue receiving frames for the stream even after the stream
+is closed for sending if packets are reordered.  At the receiving endpoint,
+retransmissions of data in STREAM frames, or retransmissions of STREAM_BLOCKED
+and RST_STREAM frames might arrive after the stream becomes "closed".  At the
+sending endpoint, MAX_STREAM_DATA frames might be received after the stream
+becomes "closed".  Frames received on a "closed" stream SHOULD be discarded.  An
+endpoint MAY choose to limit the period over which it ignores frames and treat
+frames that arrive after this time as being in error.

This graf is a bit confusing, because you first say that you should discard frames on a closed stream and then you say that you may instead ignore them only after some time. Why would I want to do that? What would I do if I didn't ignore them?

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> -treated as a connection error of type HTTP_RST_CONTROL_STREAM.  When a message
-control stream terminates cleanly, if the last frame on the stream was
-truncated, this MUST be treated as a connection error (see HTTP_MALFORMED_* in
-{{http-error-codes}}).
-
-Pairs of streams must be utilized sequentially, with no gaps.  The data stream
-is opened at the same time as the message control stream is opened and is closed
-after transferring the body.  The data stream is closed immediately after
-sending the request headers if there is no body.
+the stream management. An HTTP request/response consumes a pair of streams in
+each direction.
+
+Aside from the connection control stream, the beginning of each stream starts
+with a short stream header.  This stream header is used to identify the type of
+stream and to link the stream to another stream as necessary.  See
+{{stream-header}} for more details on the stream header.

Nit: I would put this cite after the first sentence.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> -sending the request headers if there is no body.
+the stream management. An HTTP request/response consumes a pair of streams in
+each direction.
+
+Aside from the connection control stream, the beginning of each stream starts
+with a short stream header.  This stream header is used to identify the type of
+stream and to link the stream to another stream as necessary.  See
+{{stream-header}} for more details on the stream header.
+
+\[Editor's Note: the following is clearly busted.  Requests and responses can't
+reliably be cancelled as a result of this change.  We will need QPACK/QCRAM for
+this to work.] Request, response and push streams contain HPACK data which
+manipulates connection-level state.  Therefore, these streams MUST NOT be closed
+with a stream-level error.
+
+Streams must be opened sequentially, with no gaps.  Data streams SHOULD be

Isn't this already a QUIC invariant?

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> -sending the request headers if there is no body.
+the stream management. An HTTP request/response consumes a pair of streams in
+each direction.
+
+Aside from the connection control stream, the beginning of each stream starts
+with a short stream header.  This stream header is used to identify the type of
+stream and to link the stream to another stream as necessary.  See
+{{stream-header}} for more details on the stream header.
+
+\[Editor's Note: the following is clearly busted.  Requests and responses can't
+reliably be cancelled as a result of this change.  We will need QPACK/QCRAM for
+this to work.] Request, response and push streams contain HPACK data which
+manipulates connection-level state.  Therefore, these streams MUST NOT be closed
+with a stream-level error.
+
+Streams must be opened sequentially, with no gaps.  Data streams SHOULD be

"New streams use the next available stream"

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +~~~~~
+
+After the stream header, response streams contain a sequence of frames (see
+{{http-framing-layer}}).
+
+If a response stream header identifies a stream that is not a request stream, or
+it references a request stream that already has an associated response stream,
+the connection MUST be terminated with an HTTP_UNMATCHED_RESPONSE error.
+
+
+### Data Streams {#stream-data}
+
+Data streams are opened by both client and server.  Data streams carry the
+payload body of requests or responses.
+
+The stream header for a response stream contains the type octet, which is set to

I think you mean "data stream"

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +|   Type (8)    |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                        Stream ID (32)                         |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~~~
+
+After the stream header, data streams contain the octets of the payload body.
+Data streams do not carry frames.
+
+Data streams MUST reference a request or response stream.  The referenced stream
+MUST include a HAS_BODY frame.  If a data stream is received that references a
+stream of a different type, the referenced stream does not include a HAS_BODY
+frame, or another data stream already references the identified steam, then the
+connection MUST be terminated with a HTTP_UNMATCHED_BODY error.  Note that due
+to reordering of packets, the referenced stream or HAS_BODY frame might not have
+been received when the data stream is opened.

So, the implementation here is:

  • If has_body frame received, then process stream

  • Else, block until either

    (a) has_body frame received, in which case process stream
    (b) fin/rst received in which case send error

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> -
-An HTTP request/response exchange fully consumes a pair of streams. After
-sending a request, a client closes the streams for sending; after sending a
-response, the server closes its streams for sending and the QUIC streams are
-fully closed.
+response may contain zero or more header blocks on the response stream
+containing the message headers of informational (1xx) HTTP responses (see
+{{!RFC7230}}, Section 3.2 and {{!RFC7231}}, Section 6.2).
+
+A message that contains a payload body includes a HAS_BODY frame immediately
+after the first header block.  This indicates that another stream will include
+the payload body.  A data stream is opened to carry the payload body.  The data
+stream MUST be closed immediately after sending the body.  If the message does
+not contain a body, a data stream MUST NOT be opened and the HAS_BODY message
+MUST NOT be sent.  The "chunked" transfer encoding defined in Section 4.1 of
+{{!RFC7230}} MUST NOT be used.

I wonder if it would make more sense to have the pointer to the body stream here rather than a back pointer for the dependency

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -401,6 +538,17 @@ All frames have the following format:
 
 ## Frame Definitions {#frames}
 
+### HAS_BODY {#frame-has-body}
+
+The HAS_BODY frame (type=0x0) indicates that the HTTP message contains a payload
+body.  It is sent after the initial header block on a request, response, or push
+stream.
+
+The HAS_BODY frame has no flags and is always empty.  A HAS_BODY frame with a
+non-empty payload or flags that are set MUST be treated as a
+HTTP_MALFORMED_HAS_BODY error.

Might it be easier to just put this field in the header block

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +
+  Request Stream/Push ID:
+  : A 32-bit stream ID or Push ID that identifies the request.  If the PUSH flag
+    is set, this refers to a Push ID included in a PUSH_PROMISE frame (see
+    {{frame-push-promise}}); if the PUSH flag is cleared, this refers to a
+    request by its stream ID.
+
+  Error Code:
+  : A 32-bit error code indicating why the response is not desired.
+
+A CANCEL_REQUEST frame always contains an 8 octet payload.  A server MUST treat
+a CANCEL_REQUEST frame payload that is other than 8 octets in length, or a
+CANCEL_REQUEST frame that identifies a stream that doesn't carry a valid request
+as an HTTP_MALFORMED_CANCEL_REQUEST error.  Note however that due to packet
+reordering, a CANCEL_REQUEST frame could arrive before the request stream that
+it references is opened.

This is weird text. Isn't it always the case that if you receive an unexpected frame structure you are sad?

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +ID MUST be treated as a HTTP_MALFORMED_PRIORITY error.
+
+The length of a PRIORITY frame is 9 octets.  A PRIORITY frame with any other
+length MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_PRIORITY.
+
+
+### CANCEL_REQUEST {#frame-cancel-request}
+
+The CANCEL_REQUEST frame (type=0x3) is used to request cancellation of a request
+prior to the response stream being created.  This frame can be used to cancel
+both outstanding requests initiated by a client and server push requests that
+are initiated with a PUSH_PROMISE.
+
+The frame identifies a client-initiated request by the stream ID that carried
+the request; a server push request is identified by Push ID (see
+{{frame-push-promise}}).

Don't you mean "request ID" that's what you are using for dependencies

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----==_mimepart_594c15df2a7c3_7e6a3fc42e989c34582e6-- From nobody Thu Jun 22 16:00:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5763A127867 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 16:00:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rCN-NfTlRSVx for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 16:00:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B7597124B0A for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 16:00:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=va3u9jLCXNItuL8AbPLzMEn+W8A=; b=CD4FL/2iwbf9UuRX HZ4m+6bJpjEKOKZ34pBP+oCHZFqwlB/AYdwxCC2lda/ixzKKl61z7TM56qsUK9XG BC/V4iUz5TO5v8A96njGOTMDcaOI9KF3lb4vO2NCDKDtjjK8ySx+b4B+q2UArrFN xh8g+lIRSV86g70jhizTl9GAsxk= Received: by filter0642p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0642p1mdw1-14865-594C4C21-3C 2017-06-22 23:00:49.467135549 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id IRdLusojQoexRn6hzl0GKw for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 23:00:49.298 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 16:00:48 -0700 From: Victor Vasiliev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 1-RTT stateless rejects (#655) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_594c4c206af00_20cc03fbec60ffc3454465"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: vasilvv X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1gbjTHMCM+j2MeOQeLxJazm2/j0W3sMUc35O Z8XvFVT9/cZhefo0WIJvtAAfT9cukCvStb2d/zTU4y0mVM0KaFjt6BQP/d0cRjhVV9oHyuCvFEwR+z ya3T3+UsPg6eX/ex1EI0xI2lUbvUJwpJwlH0QnDK8BHIc1geEzQy3dJylI+314u/wqlI0Cuq3Ho51c w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 23:00:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_594c4c206af00_20cc03fbec60ffc3454465 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Currently, if the server is in position where it has to send stateless rejects, the client has to wait two round trips before it can send any data: one to statelessly get a proof of ability to receive, and one to do the TLS handshake (now with the state). We can do better than that. Instead of sending only a cookie, the server can also send a certificate and a session ticket, neither of which would require storing any state. The way I envision this is something like this: 1. Client sends the ClientHello 1. Server sends ServerHello, Certificate, CertificateVerify, Finished, NST and close_verify. 1. Client sends ClientHello with the ticket it just received, plus any 0-RTT-eligible data it wants. 1. The rest of the handshake proceeds as usual. In order to not get stuck in an infinite loop, you'd have to opt into that scheme using an extension, and on the second attempt you opt out of it. cc @martinthomson @seanturner @ekr @ianswett -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/655 ----==_mimepart_594c4c206af00_20cc03fbec60ffc3454465 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Currently, if the server is in position where it has to send stateless rejects, the client has to wait two round trips before it can send any data: one to statelessly get a proof of ability to receive, and one to do the TLS handshake (now with the state).

We can do better than that. Instead of sending only a cookie, the server can also send a certificate and a session ticket, neither of which would require storing any state. The way I envision this is something like this:

  1. Client sends the ClientHello
  2. Server sends ServerHello, Certificate, CertificateVerify, Finished, NST and close_verify.
  3. Client sends ClientHello with the ticket it just received, plus any 0-RTT-eligible data it wants.
  4. The rest of the handshake proceeds as usual.

In order to not get stuck in an infinite loop, you'd have to opt into that scheme using an extension, and on the second attempt you opt out of it.

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  These bits are parsed as follows:
 
-* The first two bits must be set to 11, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+* The first bit must be set to 1, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+
+* 'U' is the UNI bit, which is used to indicate this is a unidirectional
+  stream, and no stream frames may be sent in response.

This seems to break the implicit stream opening feature that we currently have, because if the maximum stream open is X and then you get a STREAM frame for Y >> X, you don't know if the other side is going to open W where X < W < Y unidirectional or bidirectional

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Closes #652.

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----==_mimepart_594c637d5bd03_39053ff48555bc3439531-- From nobody Thu Jun 22 17:47:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2395F129BBD for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 17:47:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.396 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.396 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QsezpdnonkIJ for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 17:47:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B424126C83 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 17:47:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=jCh6qUYVOxJsM1fqnA1KEkXsTaI=; b=KJdrc4eNifIX24CK cGoGxFaPDJqR1CclXe+bBFo1Wg1H0d/ggc5UoyO6e2SszmfHkQ/WGXpqL+0e+RSf S0fk9IRo6OabCwGTPsIV6vA308qU2TwTouBTWLerhM5r03xOpGKv5HvbrT5APQ0T ZlntbBpNNFdH0ArfD7Qk1mA1B9A= Received: by filter0913p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0913p1mdw1-7313-594C6511-15 2017-06-23 00:47:13.344348619 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 7-LUk3pET6i1HS6r3W6kzQ for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2017 00:47:13.294 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 17:47:13 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] 1-RTT stateless rejects (#655) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_594c651133178_18fbf3fd4eb5e3c389655f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1diZLnlFJ3uSIgVL9fKtOErYEHpYtUTB9gGl sJsb+0qt7qsOgR8/rWT7UD9CWnMH1a20QxPgiQkXASaG8tcIImexrB/b281o0IWwS+3eL3zTlfeBp+ 0jHBYC8CewJctvsMKOSucGegF8xoRsIgEd+QeagXQrwAGZl6IrXjLXHSfm7p2o9+GfAKsOsgaN9BG7 M= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 00:47:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_594c651133178_18fbf3fd4eb5e3c389655f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a neat trick. The only challenge - and indeed the main one - is that sending all that stuff from the server is highly unlikely to fit in one packet. That is even if we decide that we can glue a plaintext packet to a protected packet. That means dealing with packet loss somehow, or accepting the possibility that you will have to send this chunk more often. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/655#issuecomment-310540175 ----==_mimepart_594c651133178_18fbf3fd4eb5e3c389655f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This is a neat trick. The only challenge - and indeed the main one - is= that sending all that stuff from the server is highly unlikely to fit in o= ne packet. That is even if we decide that we can glue a plaintext packet t= o a protected packet. That means dealing with packet loss somehow, or acce= pting the possibility that you will have to send this chunk more often.

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By the way, I think I need to change the phrasing in the PR from "late= st packet" to "packet with the highest sequence number". Otherwise, a ian= pointed out, the mechanism can degenerate. For example, with a Window of= 5, the client will send "11111" and the server will echo "11111", after = which the client will send "00000", the sender "00000", etc. But suppose = that the client sends "11111" and the server receives "111-gap-1". The cl= ient sends "00000", but due to the reordering the server receives "101111= ". Now it is echoing "101111", and the client is sending "010000". And so= on. Reordering and gaps create flips in the sequence.

There are natural healing processes such as gaps and ack coalescing, b= ut it is better to avoid the whole problem. If the server only echoes the= bit from the highest sequence number received, then the process is much = less sensitive to reordering.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  These bits are parsed as follows:
 
-* The first two bits must be set to 11, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+* The first bit must be set to 1, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+
+* 'U' is the UNI bit, which is used to indicate this is a unidirectional
+  stream, and no stream frames may be sent in response.

I don't believe it matters. A unidirectional stream is just a normal bidirectional stream that is created in a half-closed state.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  These bits are parsed as follows:
 
-* The first two bits must be set to 11, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+* The first bit must be set to 1, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+
+* 'U' is the UNI bit, which is used to indicate this is a unidirectional
+  stream, and no stream frames may be sent in response.

Well, it matters in the sense that the peer doesn't know the semantics.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  These bits are parsed as follows:
 
-* The first two bits must be set to 11, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+* The first bit must be set to 1, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+
+* 'U' is the UNI bit, which is used to indicate this is a unidirectional
+  stream, and no stream frames may be sent in response.

Nope, since implicit open always leaves the stream in "open" state, and then when UNI bit is sent/received, the stream transitions to half-closed state. Though -- I wonder if we need implicit open anymore, since we don't count max open streams anymore.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  STREAM frames is permitted.  An endpoint MAY also send MAX_STREAM_DATA and
-RST_STREAM in this state.
+RST_STREAM in this state.  A stream immediately transitions to
+"half-closed (local)" if it is created with the UNI flag set.

I would suggest changing this to "A stream immediately transitions to "half-closed (local)" if it is created as unidirectional or when a STREAM frame is received with the UNI bit set."

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  These bits are parsed as follows:
 
-* The first two bits must be set to 11, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+* The first bit must be set to 1, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+
+* 'U' is the UNI bit, which is used to indicate this is a unidirectional
+  stream, and no stream frames may be sent in response.

Yes it transitions to a half-closed state after you've sent data and the other side has ignored it (or, in Ian's new PR, it's sent some error). That's really not a very good semantic

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2757,7 +2766,8 @@ is increased.
 The final offset is the count of the number of octets that are transmitted on a
 stream.  For a stream that is reset, the final offset is carried explicitly in
 the RST_STREAM frame.  Otherwise, the final offset is the offset of the end of
-the data carried in STREAM frame marked with a FIN flag.
+the data carried in STREAM frame marked with a FIN flag, or 0 in the case of
+received streams with the UNI flag set.

nit: "or 0 in the case of incoming unidirectional streams."

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  These bits are parsed as follows:
 
-* The first two bits must be set to 11, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+* The first bit must be set to 1, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+
+* 'U' is the UNI bit, which is used to indicate this is a unidirectional
+  stream, and no stream frames may be sent in response.

Huh? You're not making sense. Can you give an example? The client initiates odd stream IDs, and the server initiates even stream IDs, as usual. What's the confusion again?

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  These bits are parsed as follows:
 
-* The first two bits must be set to 11, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+* The first bit must be set to 1, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+
+* 'U' is the UNI bit, which is used to indicate this is a unidirectional
+  stream, and no stream frames may be sent in response.

The client hasn't created any streams and then sends:

P10: [Stream=1, UNI=1]
P11: [Stream=3, UNI=Whatever]

But P10 gets lost, so the server just sees P11, and now it knows that Stream 1 is open, but it doesn't know what its state is. in QUIC currently, it can start sending, but now it can't because if it does, it creates an error when the client gets the server's data.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  These bits are parsed as follows:
 
-* The first two bits must be set to 11, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+* The first bit must be set to 1, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+
+* 'U' is the UNI bit, which is used to indicate this is a unidirectional
+  stream, and no stream frames may be sent in response.

I'm still confused. Why would the server send on a stream the peer implicitly opened before receiving any data? This seems like a non-problem.

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This looks fine, but the two texts read identically to me. Is there a reason for the change?

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  These bits are parsed as follows:
 
-* The first two bits must be set to 11, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+* The first bit must be set to 1, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+
+* 'U' is the UNI bit, which is used to indicate this is a unidirectional
+  stream, and no stream frames may be sent in response.

Why wouldn't it? Consider the strawman WebRTC structure I proposed where you just transmit packets on whatever stream is currently idle.

Another example would be any protocol where the server speaks first, like, say IMAP. If you just think of each QUIC stream as like a TCP connection, then the server might send the server greeting upon initial connection, in which case it wouldn't need to wait for any data on implicit streams.

I'm not saying you can't prohibit this in a protocol mapping, but it's a new restriction you've created that has to be dealt with

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@ianswett, see the referenced issue. I had no issue with the original text, but Mike's text seemed like a (minor) improvement.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  These bits are parsed as follows:
 
-* The first two bits must be set to 11, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+* The first bit must be set to 1, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+
+* 'U' is the UNI bit, which is used to indicate this is a unidirectional
+  stream, and no stream frames may be sent in response.

I think you have a different mental model of how this might work, or possibly you're commenting that I'm not solving an existing problem you think should be solved?

I'm not familiar with the WebRTC structure, but presumably for WebRTC each side would send RTP on unidirectional streams created by the appropriate side(odd for initiator and even for the other).

For IMAP, if the server speaks first, then I would expect it to also create an even stream ID and send communications on that.

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  These bits are parsed as follows:
 
-* The first two bits must be set to 11, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+* The first bit must be set to 1, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+
+* 'U' is the UNI bit, which is used to indicate this is a unidirectional
+  stream, and no stream frames may be sent in response.

No, I think you've invented a new problem.

Consider how IMAP works now: the client pulls up a TCP connection to the server and then the server's first message is the advertisement.

Now consider a hypothetical new version of IMAP which runs over QUIC but allows (for some reason) multiple concurrent IMAP sessions from the client. In this model, the client knows how many sessions it wants (the server has no idea) and it opens up a new stream for each of them. In the current QUIC model, the server can start sending the banner on each one of those connections immediately as soon as it knows it exists, whether it has received a STREAM frame or not. However, in your new model, if there is any way to have a unidirectional stream, then the server can't know whether a given stream is bidirectional and represents a new IMAP session or unidirectional. Now, you can say that the IMAP binding forbids unidirectional streams, but that doesn't stop them from being tagged that way in the STREAM frame and now you have an anomaly.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  These bits are parsed as follows:
 
-* The first two bits must be set to 11, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+* The first bit must be set to 1, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+
+* 'U' is the UNI bit, which is used to indicate this is a unidirectional
+  stream, and no stream frames may be sent in response.

Yes, given your hypothetical mapping, that creates a 1RTT delay. However, one could forbid unidirectional streams as you recommend or potentially do other things to mitigate that issue.

Support for both multidirectional and unidirectional streams does not mean the application can't forbid one or the other. It just means the application can use whatever stream style is most natural.

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  These bits are parsed as follows:
 
-* The first two bits must be set to 11, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+* The first bit must be set to 1, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+
+* 'U' is the UNI bit, which is used to indicate this is a unidirectional
+  stream, and no stream frames may be sent in response.

Sure, I'm not saying it's the worst thing in the world, I'm just saying it creates an edge case which we need to make sure we document correctly.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  These bits are parsed as follows:
 
-* The first two bits must be set to 11, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+* The first bit must be set to 1, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+
+* 'U' is the UNI bit, which is used to indicate this is a unidirectional
+  stream, and no stream frames may be sent in response.

UNI invents a new state -- "implicit". That state is between "idle" and "open". Unlike "idle", it counts for the stream max. Unlike "open", it does not allow an endpoint to write to it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 
-### idle
+### The "idle" State

I am not sure whether RST_STREAM means "I won't send anymore on that stream" or "I won't receive anymore on that stream". Don't we need both?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 
-### idle
+### The "idle" State

It means "I won't send," I'm fairly sure. That's the allusion to #171, which defines a separate "I won't receive any more" frame.

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Looking at this, it seems that the transport advantage is to not require both ends to send FIN or RST for each stream. Of course, if the streams are in practice bilateral, the total number of messages will be exactly the same. There are some loose ends in the documentation. The text on RST_STREAM needs to be updated, as well as the text of GO_AWAY. Plus, we need something like GO_AWAY_FRAME. > + | | + | open | + | | + +--------+ + | + receive STREAM with FIN flag + receive RST_STREAM + | + v + +--------+ + | | + | closed | + | | + +--------+ +~~~ +{: #stream-state-recv title="Stream States for Receipt"} This new diagram shows an undocumented change in the meaning of RST_STREAM. In the current version, RST_STREAM is bilateral. "After sending a RST_STREAM, an endpoint ceases transmission of STREAM frames on the identified stream. A receiver of RST_STREAM can discard any data that it already received on that stream. An endpoint sends a RST_STREAM in response to a RST_STREAM unless the stream is already closed." Obviously, this "send an RST back" will not work in an unilateral setup, and at a minimum that text should be updated. But if we want to keep a "right of refusal", we need a new frame, maybe "GOAWAY_STREAM", to indicate that the receiver is now discarding that stream. > @@ -2291,10 +2291,10 @@ Too Big messages. provisional until QUIC's loss detection algorithm determines that the packet is I would like to see some discussion of unilateral and GOAWAY frame. The current text describing that frame assumes bilateral streams. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/643#pullrequestreview-45893072 ----==_mimepart_594c930917d66_12c03fe67dc9fc2c6863b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Looking at this, it seems that the transport advantage is to not require both ends to send FIN or RST for each stream. Of course, if the streams are in practice bilateral, the total number of messages will be exactly the same.

There are some loose ends in the documentation. The text on RST_STREAM needs to be updated, as well as the text of GO_AWAY. Plus, we need something like GO_AWAY_FRAME.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +                            |        |
+                            |  open  |
+                            |        |
+                            +--------+
+                                 |
+                     receive STREAM with FIN flag
+                        receive RST_STREAM
+                                 |
+                                 v
+                            +--------+
+                            |        |
+                            | closed |
+                            |        |
+                            +--------+
+~~~
+{: #stream-state-recv title="Stream States for Receipt"}

This new diagram shows an undocumented change in the meaning of RST_STREAM. In the current version, RST_STREAM is bilateral. "After sending a RST_STREAM, an endpoint ceases transmission of STREAM frames on
the identified stream. A receiver of RST_STREAM can discard any data that it
already received on that stream. An endpoint sends a RST_STREAM in response to
a RST_STREAM unless the stream is already closed." Obviously, this "send an RST back" will not work in an unilateral setup, and at a minimum that text should be updated. But if we want to keep a "right of refusal", we need a new frame, maybe "GOAWAY_STREAM", to indicate that the receiver is now discarding that stream.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2291,10 +2291,10 @@ Too Big messages.
 provisional until QUIC's loss detection algorithm determines that the packet is

I would like to see some discussion of unilateral and GOAWAY frame. The current text describing that frame assumes bilateral streams.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  These bits are parsed as follows:
 
-* The first two bits must be set to 11, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+* The first bit must be set to 1, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+
+* 'U' is the UNI bit, which is used to indicate this is a unidirectional
+  stream, and no stream frames may be sent in response.

One thing that I like in Ian's proposal is that there is only one stream number space. I am a bit concerned with having the same stream number used by different streams in both directions. The potential for coding errors is quite large.

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I like this proposal slightly better than #643, because it keeps the feature of having only one stream number space. Both PR will end up causing the same number of control messages. Like #643, I would like to see the text on RST_STREAM frame updated. Today it says, "reply to RST_STREAM with RST_STREAM". Is that still true? > @@ -1607,7 +1610,7 @@ entropy on demand, which should be adequate protection against most opportunistic acknowledgement attacks. The type byte for a ACK frame contains embedded flags, and is formatted as -`101NLLMM`. These bits are parsed as follows: +`011NLLMM`. These bits are parsed as follows: * The first three bits must be set to 101 indicating that this is an ACK frame. 101 should be 011, I suppose... > These bits are parsed as follows: -* The first two bits must be set to 11, indicating that this is a STREAM frame. +* The first bit must be set to 1, indicating that this is a STREAM frame. + +* 'U' is the UNI bit, which is used to indicate this is a unidirectional + stream, and no stream frames may be sent in response. I like the idea that there is just one stream number space. For example, it makes RST_STREAM cleaner. Also, I am concerned with implementation bugs if the same stream number can designate either a client stream or a server stream depending on which frame we look at. > These bits are parsed as follows: -* The first two bits must be set to 11, indicating that this is a STREAM frame. +* The first bit must be set to 1, indicating that this is a STREAM frame. + +* 'U' is the UNI bit, which is used to indicate this is a unidirectional + stream, and no stream frames may be sent in response. But EKR is right, there is an edge case with the "implicit open". There is also an easy fix -- consider streams as not writeable if implicit open + no data received yet. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/656#pullrequestreview-45895531 ----==_mimepart_594c97342b62d_7513fb0799efc3c63358 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@huitema commented on this pull request.

I like this proposal slightly better than #643, because it keeps the feature of having only one stream number space. Both PR will end up causing the same number of control messages.

Like #643, I would like to see the text on RST_STREAM frame updated. Today it says, "reply to RST_STREAM with RST_STREAM". Is that still true?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1607,7 +1610,7 @@ entropy on demand, which should be adequate protection against most
 opportunistic acknowledgement attacks.
 
 The type byte for a ACK frame contains embedded flags, and is formatted as
-`101NLLMM`.  These bits are parsed as follows:
+`011NLLMM`.  These bits are parsed as follows:
 
 * The first three bits must be set to 101 indicating that this is an ACK frame.

101 should be 011, I suppose...

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  These bits are parsed as follows:
 
-* The first two bits must be set to 11, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+* The first bit must be set to 1, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+
+* 'U' is the UNI bit, which is used to indicate this is a unidirectional
+  stream, and no stream frames may be sent in response.

I like the idea that there is just one stream number space. For example, it makes RST_STREAM cleaner. Also, I am concerned with implementation bugs if the same stream number can designate either a client stream or a server stream depending on which frame we look at.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  These bits are parsed as follows:
 
-* The first two bits must be set to 11, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+* The first bit must be set to 1, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+
+* 'U' is the UNI bit, which is used to indicate this is a unidirectional
+  stream, and no stream frames may be sent in response.

But EKR is right, there is an edge case with the "implicit open". There is also an easy fix -- consider streams as not writeable if implicit open + no data received yet.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  These bits are parsed as follows:
 
-* The first two bits must be set to 11, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+* The first bit must be set to 1, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+
+* 'U' is the UNI bit, which is used to indicate this is a unidirectional
+  stream, and no stream frames may be sent in response.

I'm still confused. Why would the server send on a stream the peer implicitly opened before receiving any data? This seems like a non-problem.

A lot of the complexity with bi-directional streams is that this is possible even if unintended. Adding uni-directional next to bi-directional streams does not simplify things as you now how to check if a reverse frame is valid or not. Uni-directional streams do handle the implicit stream close problem.

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The current draft doesn't really talk much about when the connection ID can be omitted. Is this a unilateral unidirectional decision by a sender? Is it negotiated somehow? How are connections being identified in the absence of a connection ID? Are there cases when connection IDs need to be sent again after having been omitted? Etc., etc.

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----==_mimepart_594cef1e365a5_5c13fc87515bc38831de-- From nobody Fri Jun 23 04:05:30 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B898212EACA for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2017 04:05:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S893MU_EdbyA for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2017 04:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29903126BF6 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2017 04:05:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=LmAfPmGq03htAusWJMmU0DY8dU8=; b=lXx62TQtAPH7u28i Ppn+LWCUz7LV5fFbpEshwtq11h22ExHg8XhZ84nFXYvwkFEXQwudWu9nYrTqtPmG w+Z8R/yBf89vqcEkqvKtwkopYlKi/GMQwbaku6LjZb1rciXQTTCrK7gLIsZktNwy L90en6i8bXE7Dc8ND6sRGsO3ZY4= Received: by filter0858p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0858p1mdw1-576-594CF5F0-68 2017-06-23 11:05:20.956500237 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 0GUIifK2RmiYR9JTs4FDMA for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2017 11:05:20.914 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 04:05:20 -0700 From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] When can the connection ID be omitted? (#659) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_594cf5f0c8f77_15853f99ea7e1c38634b5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3S077JPoJcHdcyLaVClsIeoLcJP7Ji2SIfT8 XKEUqvw3SJERXldS/rZYt+MqC7WknOnsjHSBWvTdDQ5U8GZzTrCzChQDmr3zlfzXHT6LyxT0aKupbC FcvHuRbPsgzrkdV2kBeoc0z0JrgyEn5BkI0/pQ66plF99JFC35DuXil4ALGINrByzd2RI8j76pZfmD s= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 11:05:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_594cf5f0c8f77_15853f99ea7e1c38634b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See Transport parameters > An endpoint MAY use the following transport parameters: truncate_connection_id (0x0004): >The truncated connection identifier parameter indicates that packets sent to the peer can omit the connection ID. This can be used by an endpoint where the 5-tuple is sufficient to identify a connection. This parameter is zero length. Omitting the parameter indicates that the endpoint relies on the connection ID being present in every packet. See also #645 Note that as long as the SCID cannot be mapped to CCID, then 5-tuple uniqueness is necessary, and addding the connection ID is of limited value to end-points, but may help middle boxes. If SCID were mapped to CCID, the connection ID could be used to associate connection state on any transport, but this not currently possible: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2549 -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/659#issuecomment-310637984 ----==_mimepart_594cf5f0c8f77_15853f99ea7e1c38634b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

See Transport parameters

An endpoint MAY use the following transport parameters:
truncate_connection_id (0x0004):

The truncated connection identifier parameter indicates that packets sen= t to the peer can omit the connection ID. This can be used by an endpoint w= here the 5-tuple is sufficient to identify a connection. This parameter is = zero length. Omitting the parameter indicates that the endpoint relies on t= he connection ID being present in every packet.

See also #645

Note that as long as the SCID cannot be mapped to CCID, then 5-tuple uni= queness is necessary, and addding the connection ID is of limited value to = end-points, but may help middle boxes. If SCID were mapped to CCID, the con= nection ID could be used to associate connection state on any transport, bu= t this not currently possible:
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Stateless Retry, Client Cleartext, and ServerClearText permit streams other than 0. Only ClientInitial forbids streams other than stream 0.

This adds an API complexity because it must be ensured that an application does not accidentally consume data from an unprotected stream. It also works against certain optimizations for handling handshake on a separate code path. And it makes it harder to defend against abuse such as packet interception and rewrite with more streams with no formal crypto protection to attack vulnerable implemenations.

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PING is replied to via ACK, but ACK frames can be arbitrarily delayed or omitted. If PING was required to be ACK'ed timely, or replied to via a PONG frame, this would not be an issue. A PONG frame would interfere less with general ACK logic, but add yet another frame type.

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a peer does not ACK packets, the sender will be forced to retransmit,
= possibly incur an RTO which collapses the CWN, and eventually close the connection. I believe ACKs can be delayed for very small periods of time<= br> (which do not matter in the context of liveness detection) or omitted for= a
similar period of time, less than 1 RTT.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  STREAM frames is permitted.  An endpoint MAY also send MAX_STREAM_DATA and
-RST_STREAM in this state.
+RST_STREAM in this state.  A stream immediately transitions to
+"half-closed (local)" if it is created with the UNI flag set.

There's something about this that seems odd. An endpoint opens a stream with UNI, transitions to half-closed (local) and the MUST NOT send new STREAM frames?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  STREAM frames is permitted.  An endpoint MAY also send MAX_STREAM_DATA and
-RST_STREAM in this state.
+RST_STREAM in this state.  A stream immediately transitions to
+"half-closed (local)" if it is created with the UNI flag set.

To address Jana's comment, I think this note just belongs with the similar note immediately beneath the Statechart.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2571,6 +2577,9 @@ the data limits set by its peer.  The cryptographic handshake stream, Stream 0,
 is exempt from the connection-level data limits established by MAX_DATA.  Stream
 0 is still subject to stream-level data limits and MAX_STREAM_DATA.
 
+If a STREAM frame is received for a stream that was previously specified as
+unidirectional, the connection MUST be closed with QUIC_INVALID_FRAME_DATA.

I don't follow this. Surely the initiator of a unidirectional stream can send STREAM frames on it (and hence the receivin end is expected to receive frames). Are you trying to say that reception of a STREAM frame, by the initiator of the unidirectional stream, on that stream, is forbidden and should result in a closed connection?

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Closed #661.

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OK, I'll close the issue on the assumption that ACKs will not be allowed to delay for long, and also because when the ACK eventually arrives, the ACK delay parameter will provide more information.

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Opening a stream opens all streams with lower numbered stream IDs. IIRC, this was put in place when we had max open streams. Now that we have max stream IDs, this isn't required anymore. We can remove implicit open entirely.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>                                   |
                                  v
-                 recv FIN/  +--------+    send FIN/
-                 recv RST   |        |    send RST
+              recv FIN/     +--------+     send FIN/
+         recv RST/send UNI  |        |  send RST/recv UNI

after send UNI should really be a new state completely, the problem is that in a normal rcv FIN/ rcv RST state it is absolutely expected to get stream frame retransmissions, however on a unidirectional stream it is illegal and should be a transport error.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>                                   |
                                  v
-                 recv FIN/  +--------+    send FIN/
-                 recv RST   |        |    send RST
+              recv FIN/     +--------+     send FIN/
+         recv RST/send UNI  |        |  send RST/recv UNI

also if a RST and STREAM frame for a unidirectional stream are reordered so that RST is received first, the receiver will go into half closed remote state and have no idea that they can't send data in this state.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Due to reordering, an endpoint could continue receiving frames for the stream
-even after the stream is closed for sending.  Frames received after a peer
-closes a stream SHOULD be discarded.  An endpoint MAY choose to limit the period
-over which it ignores frames and treat frames that arrive after this time as
-being in error.
+In the "closed" state, a sending endpoint can retransmit data that has already
+been sent in STREAM frames, or retransmit a RST_STREAM frame.  Retransmission of
+data is permitted if the packets carrying the original data are determined to
+have been lost.

how would this be possible if we only transition to closed state only when either:

  • We get the ACK for all data until FIN
  • We get ACK for RST?

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So this is weird, because I actually did write a description, and I also labelled and assigned the issue.
Love those eventual-consistency database backends.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Due to reordering, an endpoint could continue receiving frames for the stream
-even after the stream is closed for sending.  Frames received after a peer
-closes a stream SHOULD be discarded.  An endpoint MAY choose to limit the period
-over which it ignores frames and treat frames that arrive after this time as
-being in error.
+In the "closed" state, a sending endpoint can retransmit data that has already
+been sent in STREAM frames, or retransmit a RST_STREAM frame.  Retransmission of
+data is permitted if the packets carrying the original data are determined to
+have been lost.

how would this be possible if we only transition to closed state only when either:

The sender does not wait for ACK before entering closed state.

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I think this still needed to make accounting of closed and open streams = more efficient otherwise you would have to explicitly keep track of streams= that are currently closed instead of only keeping track of streams that ar= e currently open

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I think it can work. Namely, implementation will typically have an inte= rnal idea about max_open_streams value they want to enforce. = They will want to keep a count of max_explicitly_closed stream= s (i.e. STREAM+FIN and RST_STREAM frames they've received for unique stream= s). Then, they should send MAX_STREAM_ID =3D max_open_streams + max_= explicitly_closed.

Internally, implementations should keep track of both open = streams and 'still unopened' streams (streams up to MAX_STREAM_ID that are = not open and have not been explicitly closed). There would be= at most max_open_streams streams there.

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A closed stream is one that is not open or "still unopened". The cardinality of those two sets is exactly max_open_streams, which seems like an not unreasonable amount of accounting state.

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A closed stream is one that is not open or "still unopened".

Just to be clear, A closed stream is one that is not (open or "still unopened").

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If you have to keep track of max unopened anyway, what benefit does open= ing an out of order streams without opening lower streams have? I know it's= possible to do it either way, however for a normal sender / receiver keepi= ng track of only open streams can necessarily be more efficient than keepin= g track of unopened streams. Is this proposal more of a philosophical point= or does it solve some concrete problem? Having lower streams open up has a= bunch of desirable properties, so removing them should probably have some = benefits.

We are also planning to maybe use the current behavior (opening a higher= stream implicitly opens lower streams) in the http mapping to reorder the = body and header streams so that the header stream implicitly opens the body= stream.

Another aspect to this this proposal (of not opening lower streams), is = that it makes max stream id advertisement less intuitive and more implicit,= which might result in deadlock like bugs in the future. In the current ver= sion, it makes it more explicit that I need to close a stream to get more f= uture streams, vs I would need to reset an idle stream to open up more stre= ams.

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what benefit does opening an out of order streams without opening lower = streams have

Doing so by the sender deliberately has no benefit. However, receiver ma= y get streams opened out of order anyway due to packet reordering/loss, and= it needs to deal with this.

Is this proposal more of a philosophical point or does it solve some con= crete problem?

This simplifies state tracking for @ianswett's #656 PR -- implicitly opened streams could no longer be = considered just "open". I do not see a significant benefit otherwise.

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ya i guess you wouldn't know whether an implicitly opened stream was uni= directional or not, unless you got the stream data for it which kind of mak= es sense, but that proposal is not done yet, so maybe we should wait on it = being more fleshed out.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2483,8 +2489,8 @@ after a frame bearing the FIN flag is sent.
 
 A stream is "half-closed (remote)" when the stream is no longer being used by
 the peer to send any data.  An endpoint will have either received all data that
-a peer has sent or will have received a RST_STREAM frame and discarded any
-received data.
+a peer has sent, will have sent an UNI flag on the stream, or will have

I guess this is more of a meta question, at a high level do we need to negotiate unidirectionality on a stream level or would it be sufficient to apply it at a connection level.

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Maybe a minor point, but the memory size of the state for "still unopened" streams, i.e. an entry in a membership set, should be much smaller than for an opened stream, i.e. the per-stream object state.

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On the HTTP mapping and stream pairs: you can't count on the order of arrival, a frame for the body stream could arrive before any frames of the header. So implicit open didn't fully solve that anyway.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2483,8 +2489,8 @@ after a frame bearing the FIN flag is sent.
 
 A stream is "half-closed (remote)" when the stream is no longer being used by
 the peer to send any data.  An endpoint will have either received all data that
-a peer has sent or will have received a RST_STREAM frame and discarded any
-received data.
+a peer has sent, will have sent an UNI flag on the stream, or will have

Consider HTTP. Client-initiated streams are bidirectional. Server-initiated (i.e. server push) are unidirectional. So, I don't think application/connection level makes sense.

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The only benefit of having streams implicitly opened I can imagine is = the ability to respond on a stream you believe has been implicitly opened= (ie: ekr's IMAP example). I can't think of many applications where that = would be at all useful, and in the few cases it is, waiting for a few mor= e packets in the case of reordering, or 1 RTT in the case of loss, seems = like a much better solution than responding with no prior information fro= m the peer.

@siyeng= ar Besides the above edge case, I don't understand what "Having lower= streams open up has a bunch of desirable properties..." are? In the HTT= P mapping, if there's a separate headers and body stream, then one will h= ave to be unidirectional and the other bidirectional OR there will be 3 u= nidirectional streams paired together at the app layer. Either way, I wo= uldn't expect implicit opening to help.

My main motivation is general simplification and making #656 simpler. I don't see an= y downside of this, but possibly I'm missing something.

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@krasic= even opened but unused streams can be lazily initialized, which is precise= ly what our implementation does right now. When implemented that way that n= ecessarily will store less state than storing unopened streams.

@krasic= the reordering in http i was referring to was if the http request headers = were sent, in some cases the server can respond even before receiving the e= ntire body. In those cases if the body streams get lost, then the server ha= s to wait till the client retransmits them, which is sad. Reversing the str= eam order solves that issue and we exploit the property of opening lower st= reams for that.

@ianswett= we should chat offline if that's helpful to clarify my points, but I b= elieve the properties that I like about the implicit opening of lower strea= ms, i.e.

  1. Being able to implicitly open lower streams for http as described above=
  2. Being able to keep less state in the common case for opened streams
  3. Making stream limits more semantically meaningful for the application, = i.e. I have to close streams even if I have never referred to them if I ope= n an out of order stream.

For #656 i've left a= few comments there which might simplify things, i.e. if we apply uni or bi= streams to the entire connection and have the application choose one or th= e other and stick to it, doesn't that solve the problem in #656?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2483,8 +2489,8 @@ after a frame bearing the FIN flag is sent.
 
 A stream is "half-closed (remote)" when the stream is no longer being used by
 the peer to send any data.  An endpoint will have either received all data that
-a peer has sent or will have received a RST_STREAM frame and discarded any
-received data.
+a peer has sent, will have sent an UNI flag on the stream, or will have

Client initiated streams can also be unidirectional as well if mapped out that way, why would a mapping want to specify a mix like that? The PR doesn't have details about how the http mapping changes, would love to see that as well.

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----==_mimepart_594dfb60d56d3_2dc83fe84989bc34261fb-- From nobody Fri Jun 23 22:42:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB71129BA3 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2017 22:42:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.183 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.183 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cy2fvdNdnmek for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2017 22:42:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5881E129BA1 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2017 22:42:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=M4S1ZCwDhEiiW8JO87VV+F8lDBU=; b=fYjJrVKPrw4+kqcr xSDN3B3BCDsj2Y3r3FSguv0pU68nqiPUTLgjwR7G/68gyqbK4eneLw9q5BxWmeNs Luw77IxY00bWxGVu7NYHP4D6abcqK/RGWWKSLLpO9zNwb9IAMn3xQmtF/jJF4Ku+ u9TzStLfVLrZ3/Bc1wDdbXqF4VI= Received: by filter0797p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0797p1mdw1-20979-594DFBDF-A 2017-06-24 05:42:55.230815301 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id UFvja9MZTTKXzJWSPYikng for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2017 05:42:55.179 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 22:42:55 -0700 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] When can the connection ID be omitted? (#659) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_594dfbdf14e5f_fe393fc36429bc3028639"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0L0P2IBzUZH7y+GPT3zgWoDIylPEgpUzXJVl jX38JD4uVjcXKoslZY0QXVUyPG0E/d/Jo3AYTUHCsIgMwkpQKL64fwT4L2ny04sJp2nsTPrhmAMrfN hETTRj/3jrbHEw7gz+0apy5Bb9qyHXpmJ6G2mz2aexiLAuqSchiKQyDIxXT+qTm0wgD4aDQ6YXY9xA 0= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 05:42:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_594dfbdf14e5f_fe393fc36429bc3028639 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So how does an endpoint know that its five tuple is sufficient to identify the connection *at the peer*? When a bunch of clients behind a CGN get mapped to the same source IP and port, and they decide to omit the CID, the server can't tell them apart. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/659#issuecomment-310816234 ----==_mimepart_594dfbdf14e5f_fe393fc36429bc3028639 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So how does an endpoint know that its five tuple is sufficient to identi= fy the connection at the peer? When a bunch of clients behind a CG= N get mapped to the same source IP and port, and they decide to omit the CI= D, the server can't tell them apart.

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Every NAT I'm aware of gives each flow a different port, otherwise the= re's no way to know what IP/port to send the packet to inside the NAT. G= iven that, omitting the connection ID in the server to client direction s= eems quite safe.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > @@ -1131,6 +1131,13 @@ client MUST terminate with a QUIC_VERSION_NEGOTIATION_MISMATCH error code if version negotiation occurred but it would have selected a different version based on the value of the supported_versions list. +The position and size of the version validation fields in the transport +parameters MUST NOT change between different versions of QUIC. If a version of +QUIC needs to define a new format for transport parameters, it MUST define and +use a new TLS extension rather than redefine the layout of the existing @vasilvv, can you help us out here? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/498#discussion_r123910895 ----==_mimepart_59503c3629563_1a9f3fa0fea4dc2c68824 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1131,6 +1131,13 @@ client MUST terminate with a QUIC_VERSION_NEGOTIATION_MISMATCH error code if
 version negotiation occurred but it would have selected a different version
 based on the value of the supported_versions list.
 
+The position and size of the version validation fields in the transport
+parameters MUST NOT change between different versions of QUIC.  If a version of
+QUIC needs to define a new format for transport parameters, it MUST define and
+use a new TLS extension rather than redefine the layout of the existing

@vasilvv, can you help us out here?

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Associated data refers to common header - which afaict isn't actually defined but sounds like something in particular.

More importantly plaintext is defined as starting after the packet number, but in the long header the version number (part of the header) is there.

pr in flight.

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and the term common header isn't otherwise defined.

issue #663

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  • The plaintext is does not necessarily follow the packet number, and

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----==_mimepart_595052486dda3_1be53ff456951c3c9925b-- From nobody Sun Jun 25 18:24:09 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32308128961 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2017 18:24:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.403 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.403 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P_j8WIEuDP4R for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2017 18:24:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8838C124B0A for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2017 18:24:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=R3ydBYHPObl0GPhOp/iE/KLxrTA=; b=LBVhH26bX2nvunAe Vpylbc2JQ6T0ccJqpgtbc0xXdUGeR3SHVaamfXO3RnwSUyE1p3TM7N1K9LIhz8fC C66EH70LuQf+1xeInaOhr3uVnHL9tN09H7cyVWWes77pt+uBPKyF18sVPSAY/g68 oLmzCB0bjZmEhXOfm913u5YqoAw= Received: by filter1155p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1155p1mdw1-28488-59506234-23 2017-06-26 01:24:04.438311958 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 2o-H2fV4Tl6B8nZbbVyWdg for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 01:24:04.390 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 18:24:04 -0700 From: Tatsuhiro Tsujikawa Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] stray 0x21 in HKDF-Expand info construction (#665) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_595062344acaf_539f3fa909b65c3c86547"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: tatsuhiro-t X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak03F6qg6/nZMjaitUYcSZrA/cgVk5FnIy55lc vjEEAiA1jyOLi/PiH7wmtgJ77Ufx5HCPTNfe6kRs/W2R/mS73G9BJsioTI5GWTRGIzlABZVlc/eSgh Co0cELoLtgZ4/8N3IDtxPLZW7w/BNMQtZtxhAzjaoz2+ehJsbxIB9nw7c91QfPPL8QPIsJkvpXPKhb 0= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 01:24:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_595062344acaf_539f3fa909b65c3c86547 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit https://quicwg.github.io/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html#rfc.section.5.2.2 describes info parameter for HKDF-Expand. The struct HKDFLabel does not contain 0x21 ("!"), but its example contains it: ``` info = (HashLen / 256) || (HashLen % 256) || 0x21 || "tls13 QUIC client 1-RTT secret" || 0x00 ``` I couldn't find it in TLSv1.3 draft or RFC 5869. Is it a practice to insert 0x21 after Length, or just a remnant of earlier draft? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/665 ----==_mimepart_595062344acaf_539f3fa909b65c3c86547 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

https://quicwg.github.io/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html#rfc.section.5.2.2 describes info parameter for HKDF-Expand. The struct HKDFLabel does not contain 0x21 ("!"), but its example contains it:

 info = (HashLen / 256) || (HashLen % 256) || 0x21 ||
          "tls13 QUIC client 1-RTT secret" || 0x00

I couldn't find it in TLSv1.3 draft or RFC 5869.
Is it a practice to insert 0x21 after Length, or just a remnant of earlier draft?

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The previous wording implied, contrary to what i think we all meant, that non-zero length and FIN on the same data frame was an invalid combination.

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Since octet 0 is being used now, perhaps that would worth referencing.

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Sure, so the assumption is that client <IP, port> pairs are unique= . So what guidance do we give server implementations about omitting CIDs? S= hould they be aggressive about it? Should they only do it in some case; and= which? Separately, what about clients? Are then cases when then MUST/SHOUL= D/MAY omit CIDs?

I'm missing guidance text in the document. At the moment, the draft spec= ifies the possibility to omit and a bit, but not much more.

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i imagine that one type of communication is that client always sends CID, so that packet can be forwarded to correct backend server instance, but the response in server's response CID can be omitted.

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That's a reasonable assumption, but the text in the draft at the moment permits either side to omit or not omit CIDs on most packets without any guidance.

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----==_mimepart_5950cd0e4ac86_2b963fef6e393c38638a8-- From nobody Mon Jun 26 04:49:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A6E4129B20 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 04:49:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4SFnfZABBtKH for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 04:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext8.iad.github.net [192.30.252.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97EAD129B15 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 04:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 04:49:02 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1498477742; bh=tJf+8H98WQS0Jw3V9UQBn3aqpqfgpR8W9g7K6bPbki0=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lzg4RHH95DHeTX3TgPtfASBctwb1B2AZSf8wJYuEOu/34/uizJHozYF5QeEc7iF9J R4X3iToXI2VP8qWHTX6UgLgnV6+cazbZVhcA3PXzLii+wweladLXm2+k7WwIpAmk6W ekdiguTvaiwQvTQYVrRha7zoFIXEiYefzJyMgj3M= From: ThomasSwindells Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Streams do not need to be implicitly opened (#662) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5950f4aebea04_3ed43f965dbd1c343786f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ThomasSwindells X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 11:49:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5950f4aebea04_3ed43f965dbd1c343786f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Allowing an application to open stream ids (without opening everything underneath them) does have potential benefits that shouldn't just be dismissed out of hands. Conceptually some benefits follow, whether these benefits are better than implicit opening or if the other parts of QUIC even make them realisable I'll leave up to you to consider: 1. being able to align stream id's with application level conversation ids 2. Avoid contention in allocating stream ids in a multi-threaded environment (e.g. pre-assign batches to different threads/jobs) without knowing if/when the thread/job will actually use the stream 3. allow stream ID to influence CPU affinity or other hardware optimizations (e.g. future hardware optimizations may use stream id ranges to map request processing to different CPU to preserve data locality etc. @siyengar Can you explain your reasoning in a bit more detai?. In particular I don't understand why in your http case there is any benefit of implicitly opening streams rather than http explicitly signalling the set of streams they have (through an OPEN_STREAM frame or whatever). Also isn't it (marginally) more complex with implicit streams that despite not explicitly opening, using or refering to that skipped stream number it still needs closing, compared to a simple rule along the lines of 'currently open streams' = number explicitly opened-number explicitly closed. (Though I'm sure in practice when dealing with packet loss it is a bit more complicated than that). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/662#issuecomment-311037076 ----==_mimepart_5950f4aebea04_3ed43f965dbd1c343786f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Allowing an application to open stream ids (without opening everything= underneath them) does have potential benefits that shouldn't just be dis= missed out of hands. Conceptually some benefits follow, whether these ben= efits are better than implicit opening or if the other parts of QUIC even= make them realisable I'll leave up to you to consider:

  1. being able to align stream id's with application level conversation i= ds
  2. Avoid contention in allocating stream ids in a multi-threaded environ= ment (e.g. pre-assign batches to different threads/jobs) without knowing = if/when the thread/job will actually use the stream
  3. allow stream ID to influence CPU affinity or other hardware optimizat= ions (e.g. future hardware optimizations may use stream id ranges to map = request processing to different CPU to preserve data locality etc.

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Can you explain your reasoning in a bit more detai?. In particular I don'= t understand why in your http case there is any benefit of implicitly ope= ning streams rather than http explicitly signalling the set of streams th= ey have (through an OPEN_STREAM frame or whatever). Also isn't it (margin= ally) more complex with implicit streams that despite not explicitly open= ing, using or refering to that skipped stream number it still needs closi= ng, compared to a simple rule along the lines of 'currently open streams'= =3D number explicitly opened-number explicitly closed. (Though I'm sure = in practice when dealing with packet loss it is a bit more complicated th= an that).

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= ----==_mimepart_5950f4aebea04_3ed43f965dbd1c343786f-- From nobody Mon Jun 26 07:38:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5870912EAAB for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.396 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.396 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uJJ2ByXhz2I2 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 07:38:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A217512EAA5 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 07:38:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 07:38:15 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1498487895; bh=pKr9W7lMFm2j1EUEBQOpHltlDDNeHkPcMmVDrfjD0iA=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=tUiyHDMByJTzynG4hrV/2zqz75e/9r8+fGWiLxHaJR7LtihGWxxDrwThaed/4beTB jLdu2aYX3wXPp1SpcVwIWcFphAVVV2ErfclSe3FNDrVyG6NRTbz0pA0U/Dvqqq8SyS b8pQrI10NRjBD6H2MNfB+pQ60CwgpGFXrZ+dDm7k= From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Streams do not need to be implicitly opened (#662) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59511c57c3ac0_26813fc164a41c3493786"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 14:38:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59511c57c3ac0_26813fc164a41c3493786 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ThomasSwindells I think the main obstacle to a design allowing apps to assign random identifiers to streams is that no one has suggested a way how to build such a design. The key requirement is that a rogue client is not able to cause the server to keep excessive amount of state just to track what Stream IDs are "idle" (i.e. have not been used before) and "closed" (have been used before and now closed). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/662#issuecomment-311078748 ----==_mimepart_59511c57c3ac0_26813fc164a41c3493786 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= @ThomasSwindells I think the main obstacle to a design allowing apps = to assign random identifiers to streams is that no one has suggested a wa= y how to build such a design. The key requirement is that a rogue client= is not able to cause the server to keep excessive amount of state just t= o track what Stream IDs are "idle" (i.e. have not been used before) and "= closed" (have been used before and now closed).

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The key point here is that even with implicit open, you don't actually have to store state for streams that you don't send data on or don't have an updates for, like flow control, you can lazily allocate them. We currently implement it as such and it is feasible. I'm not sure I completely understand why the current approach precludes any of the CPU optimizations specified? You're always limited by max stream id of the peer so you can't open random streams. It's also not accurate to specify that if an app only opens stream id 11 it can ignore stream id 5. Due to stream id limitations, the app would have to reset 5 in order for the peer to open up some stream id space (see @igorlord's example). If you can't ignore streams you don't refer to anyway, we should make the behavior of what happens to lower streams explicit. This makes it more intuitive semantic behavior for the app as well (only if i close open streams, I can get more streams). I would argue that it's probably more complex overall for an implementation and an application to not implicitly open lower streams, the stream id accounting becomes more complex and has the potential to cause deadlocks. Closing streams that you have not referred to has to be done in both designs, the current approach just makes that more explicit that you had to do it to an app, because it was opened. I don't see how explicitly signaling http streams opens helps here, because open streams is a QUIC layer concept and what channel will signal that. I think this might be raising a completely different issue. If body stream is stream 7 and header is stream 9, if a header (stream 9) gets to the server but data from the body stream is lost (if stream 7 is sent in a different packet), the server can respond even without the body. 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= @ThomasSwindells all of those can be accomplished even with implicitl= y opening lower streams as well. The key point here is that even with imp= licit open, you don't actually have to store state for streams that you d= on't send data on or don't have an updates for, like flow control, you ca= n lazily allocate them. We currently implement it as such and it is feasi= ble. I'm not sure I completely understand why the current approach preclu= des any of the CPU optimizations specified? You're always limited by max = stream id of the peer so you can't open random streams.

It's also not accurate to specify that if an app only opens stream id = 11 it can ignore stream id 5. Due to stream id limitations, the app would= have to reset 5 in order for the peer to open up some stream id space (s= ee @igorlo= rd's example). If you can't ignore streams you don't refer to anyway,= we should make the behavior of what happens to lower streams explicit. T= his makes it more intuitive semantic behavior for the app as well (only i= f i close open streams, I can get more streams).

I would argue that it's probably more complex overall for an implement= ation and an application to not implicitly open lower streams, the stream= id accounting becomes more complex and has the potential to cause deadlo= cks. Closing streams that you have not referred to has to be done in both= designs, the current approach just makes that more explicit that you had= to do it to an app, because it was opened.

I don't see how explicitly signaling http streams opens helps here, be= cause open streams is a QUIC layer concept and what channel will signal t= hat. I think this might be raising a completely different issue. If body = stream is stream 7 and header is stream 9, if a header (stream 9) gets to= the server but data from the body stream is lost (if stream 7 is sent in= a different packet), the server can respond even without the body. The r= eordering of streams makes it explicit that the body stream must be open = by the client if the header stream got to the server.

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= ----==_mimepart_595129199899d_5ce63f7f15505c34854f2-- From nobody Mon Jun 26 08:40:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E9F41289B0 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 08:40:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.617 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.617 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G4J2d0ZxaDRN for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 08:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC4961271DF for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 08:40:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=E6iHTk1Fqw6AMQEjzABLlsFfFdk=; b=St/EcvGw3x5Plp6n vGKt4kUe9r326hIHuXrW1HYhfcgNo9ywF234y7xvEDrFeXV5Epm6xL1sDH8beuAW EnHtJBvzyqwIuE/2HmlJIxxR2uUX3ikpQM0BgnLHgFdBr5ML7ADo1BK08/wwMwMP L4MDvFcQE71GaJI3lgKgkxBCZAs= Received: by filter0953p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0953p1mdw1-11638-59512AFF-1C 2017-06-26 15:40:47.861558331 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 7-3CB2FpSZGFSBcqePeWOw for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 15:40:47.797 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 08:40:47 -0700 From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Streams do not need to be implicitly opened (#662) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59512affae4ac_dd143f9d0899dc2c147e6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2AmQl55fidBMfsRfGH56ph/alE5aq0oiIu70 9eILJVseLOB+fthSdEMhgNDs9m/Ev+hFEXTX42U7yJQOAHutOzSl8gHLzXAhBQDDULZ/OIPYXXIgvf UEQRMbUOF8Ck9iKIg8xubK9w9pqCdNknAFp1csvIaWXuPdL1SSRJs2RcHZYTMhyiHQIzGVN+1XY3Fn s= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 15:40:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59512affae4ac_dd143f9d0899dc2c147e6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I support this idea. (Trying not to open the partial reliability can of worms) An unreliably delivered frame that is missed could lead to streams not opening. With implicit opening, a later frame that is delivered could create orphan/zombie streams - related to resources that are no longer relevant. The sending end has lost interest and potentially never closes the stream. That isn't the end of the world but introduces some burden of garbage collection onto the client. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/662#issuecomment-311097421 ----==_mimepart_59512affae4ac_dd143f9d0899dc2c147e6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I support this idea.

(Trying not to open the partial reliability can of worms) An unreliably = delivered frame that is missed could lead to streams not opening. With impl= icit opening, a later frame that is delivered could create orphan/zombie st= reams - related to resources that are no longer relevant. The sending end h= as lost interest and potentially never closes the stream. That isn't the en= d of the world but introduces some burden of garbage collection onto the cl= ient.

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This value is incorrect, but it's necessary. The value changed in a recent PR and I missed the update. It should be 0x1f - the length of the label string.

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----==_mimepart_5951352b80926_2f7c3fdfa1be1c3c37572-- From nobody Mon Jun 26 09:34:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6192A129B7A for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 09:34:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.474 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.474 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bj5nPObYClNg for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 09:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9FAF128990 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 09:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 09:34:33 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1498494873; bh=MOuWdp5kyJ6lcL7LLU976oFpk4aZzS+sKlnX0PY9BCU=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=iRpg+sFp/pImvTdOtXlrjZm0GteR1pkx8v/I6W//HX4/SD1L/7dTSaR3Ixbdye5a6 V9/LwtLXl51MVj/r4WU9ygpbqyAkgiorTt7jumV0q+f+Hd7REdi2VYhlV0BsVPM6Tf JBuWkfrx2raxUMCp7WrGTgJFIDRYRHturGoBFBNc= From: Tatsuhiro Tsujikawa Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] stray 0x21 in HKDF-Expand info construction (#665) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59513799b6e_50713fbf6d2edc38598d3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: tatsuhiro-t X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 16:34:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59513799b6e_50713fbf6d2edc38598d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you. That's make sense. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/665#issuecomment-311112788 ----==_mimepart_59513799b6e_50713fbf6d2edc38598d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Thank you. That's make sense.

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I support the idea that mappings might need ways to explicitly reserve= /allocate streams in potentially application specific ways. I don't thi= nk that the implicit open semantic will be sufficient to cover those, or = even if it does, it will be a subtle, fragile design. I can see why re= serving specific stream ids would be problematic, but I think the transpo= rt api supporting something along the lines of "allocate next outgoing st= ream" (which can be bidi or uni) is sensible.

I'm also not entirely comfortable with the HTTP example here as it is = yet to be resolved whether the HTTP mapping is going to revert back to ha= ving headers and data on the same transport stream.

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Multi-packet rejects are unfortunate, but as long as the cert isn't hu= ge, it should still fit into a few packets, which keeps the amplification= factor to a small number like 2 or 3.

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To be clear. I think this is an excellent proposal and I'm happy to add any documentation to the recovery doc to clarify this case if necessary.

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One of the problems with single stream was keeping HPACK state synchronized in the face of stream resets. The latest QPACK solves it neatly by putting all HPACK updates on a static stream, and reference-only headers on the HTTP stream. I think this can work for (nearly-)legacy HPACK and QCRAM too. On the other hand, with the two stream per HTTP exchange regime, we've not heard a good simple solution to support the case of interleaving response data with PUSH_PROMISEs. The PUSH_PROMISE ordering requirement is just a SHOULD, but it seems pretty lame to not do better. It would be good to get this resolved as soon as possible (Prague?) because it has significant implementation implications. My vote would be to switch back to single stream, with the tweak'd HPACK that puts updates on the static stream. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Friendly bump.

One of the problems with single stream was keeping HPACK state synchro= nized in the face of stream resets. The latest QPACK solves it neatly b= y putting all HPACK updates on a static stream, and reference-only header= s on the HTTP stream. I think this can work for (nearly-)legacy HPACK a= nd QCRAM too.

On the other hand, with the two stream per HTTP exchange regime, we've= not heard a good simple solution to support the case of interleaving res= ponse data with PUSH_PROMISEs. The PUSH_PROMISE ordering requirement is = just a SHOULD, but it seems pretty lame to not do better.

It would be good to get this resolved as soon as possible (Prague?) be= cause it has significant implementation implications. My vote would be t= o switch back to single stream, with the tweak'd HPACK that puts updates = on the static stream.

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I would support moving towards a single stream, given all the recent pro= s and cons of 1 vs 2 stream models I've heard.

The request-response paradigm is nice, and if the only cost is some fram= ing, I think it's worth it. My only real concern about the 1 stream model = before was the ability to reset a stream, but if that's been solved(or will= be), 1 stream seems better.

The fact it works better for push is a perk, as well as an indication it= may be a better architectural approach in general.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+   |                      Error Code (32)                          |
+   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~~~~~~~~
+{: #fig-cancel-request title="CANCEL_REQUEST frame payload"}
+
+The CANCEL_REQUEST frame payload has the following fields:
+
+  Request Stream/Push ID:
+  : A 32-bit stream ID or Push ID that identifies the request.  If the PUSH flag
+    is set, this refers to a Push ID included in a PUSH_PROMISE frame (see
+    {{frame-push-promise}}); if the PUSH flag is cleared, this refers to a
+    request by its stream ID.
+
+  Error Code:
+  : A 32-bit error code indicating why the response is not desired.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>                              |        |
                             +--------+
+                                 |
+                      send STREAM with FIN flag
+                         send RST_STREAM
+                                 |
+                                 v
+                            +--------+
+                            |        |
+                            | closed |
+                            |        |
+                            +--------+
+~~~

@janaiyengar and I agreed to make the draft consistent about closing when the frame is first sent. Based on reading #572, I think that we should revert that change. The states are basically advisory only and the degree to which the documentation manages to capture these important notions makes it more useful to enclose rather than to leave retransmission up to the "transport".

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 
-### idle
+### The "idle" State

I considered splitting the descriptions, but they are really still the same states.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -
-### closed {#state-closed}
-
-The "closed" state is the terminal state for a stream.
-
-Once a stream reaches this state, no frames can be sent that mention the stream.
-Reordering might cause frames to be received after closing, see
-{{state-hc-remote}}.
+An endpoint could continue receiving frames for the stream even after the stream
+is closed for sending if packets are reordered.  At the receiving endpoint,
+retransmissions of data in STREAM frames, or retransmissions of STREAM_BLOCKED
+and RST_STREAM frames might arrive after the stream becomes "closed".  At the
+sending endpoint, MAX_STREAM_DATA frames might be received after the stream
+becomes "closed".  Frames received on a "closed" stream SHOULD be discarded.  An
+endpoint MAY choose to limit the period over which it ignores frames and treat
+frames that arrive after this time as being in error.

If a peer closes the stream and continues to send frames on that stream long after closing, it's a way to generate unaccounted traffic.

This is a case where I would reference the ENHANCE_YOUR_CALM error, but apparently we can't have nice things.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +|   Type (8)    |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                        Stream ID (32)                         |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~~~
+
+After the stream header, data streams contain the octets of the payload body.
+Data streams do not carry frames.
+
+Data streams MUST reference a request or response stream.  The referenced stream
+MUST include a HAS_BODY frame.  If a data stream is received that references a
+stream of a different type, the referenced stream does not include a HAS_BODY
+frame, or another data stream already references the identified steam, then the
+connection MUST be terminated with a HTTP_UNMATCHED_BODY error.  Note that due
+to reordering of packets, the referenced stream or HAS_BODY frame might not have
+been received when the data stream is opened.

Yeah, you can error out earlier if you receive another header block as well in the final clause.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> -
-An HTTP request/response exchange fully consumes a pair of streams. After
-sending a request, a client closes the streams for sending; after sending a
-response, the server closes its streams for sending and the QUIC streams are
-fully closed.
+response may contain zero or more header blocks on the response stream
+containing the message headers of informational (1xx) HTTP responses (see
+{{!RFC7230}}, Section 3.2 and {{!RFC7231}}, Section 6.2).
+
+A message that contains a payload body includes a HAS_BODY frame immediately
+after the first header block.  This indicates that another stream will include
+the payload body.  A data stream is opened to carry the payload body.  The data
+stream MUST be closed immediately after sending the body.  If the message does
+not contain a body, a data stream MUST NOT be opened and the HAS_BODY message
+MUST NOT be sent.  The "chunked" transfer encoding defined in Section 4.1 of
+{{!RFC7230}} MUST NOT be used.

I wanted to be able to create the body at any time, without knowing what stream might be used. It's a minor thing, but it also keeps all pointers as back references.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -401,6 +538,17 @@ All frames have the following format:
 
 ## Frame Definitions {#frames}
 
+### HAS_BODY {#frame-has-body}
+
+The HAS_BODY frame (type=0x0) indicates that the HTTP message contains a payload
+body.  It is sent after the initial header block on a request, response, or push
+stream.
+
+The HAS_BODY frame has no flags and is always empty.  A HAS_BODY frame with a
+non-empty payload or flags that are set MUST be treated as a
+HTTP_MALFORMED_HAS_BODY error.

I considered that, and it's definitely an optimization that we can talk about later, so I went with the simplest option I could think of. The problem with the header block is that there are potentially multiple places you would put this. The easiest approach is to grab a flag, but those appear in multiple places, so does this have to be consistent, or do you only allowing if END_HEADERS is also set, or can it appear on any HEADERS frame?

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +ID MUST be treated as a HTTP_MALFORMED_PRIORITY error.
+
+The length of a PRIORITY frame is 9 octets.  A PRIORITY frame with any other
+length MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_PRIORITY.
+
+
+### CANCEL_REQUEST {#frame-cancel-request}
+
+The CANCEL_REQUEST frame (type=0x3) is used to request cancellation of a request
+prior to the response stream being created.  This frame can be used to cancel
+both outstanding requests initiated by a client and server push requests that
+are initiated with a PUSH_PROMISE.
+
+The frame identifies a client-initiated request by the stream ID that carried
+the request; a server push request is identified by Push ID (see
+{{frame-push-promise}}).

I should make that more consistent, but I had more room here to break the two out. I think that I'm starting to warm to Christian's notion of this needing to draw from the same 32-bit space with a bit stolen to allow discrimination rather than rely on external signals.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2291,10 +2291,10 @@ Too Big messages.
 provisional until QUIC's loss detection algorithm determines that the packet is

I'm operating here on the assumption that we are going to execute on the "application-layer shutdown" notion. It's not at all clear to me that GOAWAY in its current form works as intended and this certainly messes up GOAWAY pretty badly. My belief is that GOAWAY is much easier to implement at the HTTP layer where context is better understood. You only need to concern yourself with requests and the pushes they trigger, which can simplify things a lot. A fully generic graceful shutdown at the transport layer might not be achievable, despite the lofty goals of #604.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +                            |        |
+                            |  open  |
+                            |        |
+                            +--------+
+                                 |
+                     receive STREAM with FIN flag
+                        receive RST_STREAM
+                                 |
+                                 v
+                            +--------+
+                            |        |
+                            | closed |
+                            |        |
+                            +--------+
+~~~
+{: #stream-state-recv title="Stream States for Receipt"}

This is #171, I explicitly mentioned this in the writeup.

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Thanks Christian, I think this LGTM.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 * The client sets the spin bit value to the opposite
-  of the last value received from the server, or to 0
+  of the value set in the packet received from the server with the
+  largest sequence number, or to 0

nit: I think these two lines may fit on one line?

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----==_mimepart_5951dd071a9f0_aa73fc6136a5c3460050-- From nobody Mon Jun 26 21:54:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0268A12EB69 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 21:54:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XtSXAz6GEzyU for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 21:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A7FD128D64 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 21:54:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=6/0r5NOPYdfGYXqj6+0WOTj8nsM=; b=OeQ3RqF2b99d75iD UzxziV1q9USzMpMXdQbReKbUFBKB2u/2S1OahXxjDMCO1mfcBqZQ8JRR+XW17sca Revm3SLCqfLc08OTEHb0Z6/7DJG9Vu0WQKVh+DBJ0zqGvVWh1FfSQB6vvZDeupXu 8fRZAUMaqcGHbCYYsUA+1/fiLd8= Received: by filter1081p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1081p1mdw1-20265-5951E4FC-1C 2017-06-27 04:54:20.441801565 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id oq7lvXauQQSfSN6JPEb4LA for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 04:54:20.381 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 21:54:20 -0700 From: Matthew Kerwin Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] GAP limitation in ACK Frame (#613) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5951e4fc4302b_68eb3f823b4c5c3c7895a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: phluid61 X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2N95XTi6A2kZGDO7ozx/5fzuOiiMg1E2PPfx R4PKhmerYW5JftFe+8r+SkQ9V/68oQHWGJ4wL5DgZ1H9+WbWM+hoY62yDzbV0C43lf99hpIIoC5xnz Jqo/IAwBW1qLBYd/dWzgAQG34+y45pQBHXWavbd/IMDaZncsaAgT5lt/H9fQoWoMd5L4B0blnXgvIN 4= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 04:54:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5951e4fc4302b_68eb3f823b4c5c3c7895a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is this the same (or worse) for timestamps in the ACK frame? The current text is pretty vague, but seems to say that the _Delta Largest Acked 1..N_ value is always at most 255 from the _Largest Acknowledged_ (not the previous delta). So... timestamps can go backwards (or rather, packet numbers can go backwards inside the timestamp section), and you can't timestamp packets with much larger numbers. Even if the _Delta N_ was changed to be relative to _Delta N-1_, you still couldn't set the _Time Since Previous_ to 0 to skip over gaps>255, since the text says that the delta is used to calculate the number of the actual packet being timestamped. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/613#issuecomment-311252752 ----==_mimepart_5951e4fc4302b_68eb3f823b4c5c3c7895a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Is this the same (or worse) for timestamps in the ACK frame?

The current text is pretty vague, but seems to say that the Delta La= rgest Acked 1..N value is always at most 255 from the Largest Ackn= owledged (not the previous delta).

So... timestamps can go backwards (or rather, packet numbers can go back= wards inside the timestamp section), and you can't timestamp packets with m= uch larger numbers.

Even if the Delta N was changed to be relative to Delta N-1= , you still couldn't set the Time Since Previous to 0 to skip= over gaps>255, since the text says that the delta is used to calculate = the number of the actual packet being timestamped.

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"payload" already means something else, and this seems to be the only instance of it being used this way.

Better words may be available.

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If a server decides to send a version negotiation packet and also a stateless retry, which one should it choose, and should the client retain a negotiated version if it receives a stateless retry? If it does not, the cryptographic context in the retry might not make sense but text says to start new connection state.

Also, retry might be related to which server version is supported, so there could potentially be a lot of ping pong going on. On the other hand, a retry might not know the versions supported by other servers.

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----==_mimepart_59521b7c6d9ac_74773fa33097bc34192571-- From nobody Tue Jun 27 01:58:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3736C129462 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 01:58:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pqAHont46fzL for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 01:58:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D98F012700F for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 01:58:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=FuiCUrRv1vAzRlwEqmSMJr6NBx4=; b=deYSQoh/laPvY8P/ rXhiQu6QHUMRQ8hkofk3frfigkGR9C3h+8mYt2aMxyCqr5jp3E59L6rckGH4nU2y 5e9SVWedStHI7yCZ2jeJt8yEt6FdMvM10+biqcBYapxqQFvk/Eh+DiUZVMH/Qxj2 GxlnHbCBZsvTEMmAgv5ATi7AP98= Received: by filter0923p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0923p1mdw1-24396-59521E47-24 2017-06-27 08:58:47.823736514 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id J1vKqWfvQiqsa6hPRyZhYw for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 08:58:47.745 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 01:58:47 -0700 From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stateless retry relation to version negotiation (#669) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59521e47a1e98_6c723f9f2ee87c381672fc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2AWrRzLVgC3FzWM/HAGnGZFkELL2cxUPr9xq Z7LxssYeljHhruFNgSzueKub2Z/IqH1ZKv3dUDE6uFPVKhOUPURRhmIP68auTLL8lJ/Bo3ZoL/zJuo XSzDOIUH+pzZVJmCepTL2TFrD5zlc5jTVdpJVNNDc+7+yG7mzgEFtecE1zC/s8fBlcLHDquNucMSL9 k= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 08:58:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59521e47a1e98_6c723f9f2ee87c381672fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wasn't mentioned in version negotation nor in Stateless Retry section, but stateless retry packet does section mention it: "the client MUST remember the results of any version negotiation that occurred " I keep the issue open for review in case the text can be clarified a bit. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/669#issuecomment-311297121 ----==_mimepart_59521e47a1e98_6c723f9f2ee87c381672fc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Wasn't mentioned in version negotation nor in Stateless Retry section, b= ut stateless retry packet does section mention it:
"the client MUST remember the results of any version negotiation that occur= red "

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Also, what is the point of ACK frames in a stateless retry considering t= hat it has no state to collect ACK data in, and considering that it is in i= tself effectively an ACK for client initial - of course an ack_delay timest= amp could be carried to measure rtt, but is it worth the complexity for tha= t? Might it not better to have it similar to Client Initial with stream off= set 0 at stream 0?

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Timestamps are only sent once, so assuming there isn't a large amount of= reordering or loss, up the the 255th most recent is more than sufficient.<= /p>

But yes, if you're commonly experiencing loss and reordering >255 pac= kets, you won't get timestamps. But that is extraordinarily rare in my exp= erience, and since timestamps are best effort, one should use them as an en= hancement to congestion control, not the sole input.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +
+An endpoint MUST terminate the connection with an HTTP_INVALID_STREAM_HEADER
+error if it receives a stream header that uses an unknown or unsupported type.
+
+
+### Stream 1: Connection Control Stream {#stream-control}
+
+Stream 1 is opened by both client and server and is used for the SETTINGS frame
+immediately after the connection opens.  After the SETTINGS frame has been sent,
+this stream is used for PRIORITY and CANCEL_REQUEST frames.
+
+There is no stream header for a connection control stream; the stream is
+identified by its stream number.  The connection control stream contains a
+sequence of frames, starting with the SETTINGS frame.
+
+If an endpoint receives a stream type of 0xff on any stream other than stream 1,

I think two versions collided here. Stream type 0xff is undefined, so it's also invalid on Stream 1.

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This isn't really a valid question. The draft is pretty clear that version negotiation happens before stateless retry.

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----==_mimepart_5952b18731c4b_6bde3fcd35643c2c19231f-- From nobody Tue Jun 27 12:59:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6579112EB1A for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:59:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xWABpiTvfGCM for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8150112EB11 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:59:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=G1ORSWtq0sl1StKyzP5p+IuPmEo=; b=D/9UFiwrK7yCs0Aj OUFOE7NFuMsijV4Y2xjHPj1j8ijF1/cK1xOP3QUqprLg6eLaeK6oZMJDR9yh19VC juoZpw01tgg9FAbfAyOd7aVAtWPJ5k7Pinl68ir0MKxAKdsIrGXyat95rh9C+9eA KzCRwpD2fj1qAmnRu/Yq1gzVYtA= Received: by filter0937p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0937p1mdw1-15930-5952B90E-1C 2017-06-27 19:59:10.30538743 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 5tQcXbXGRuyPMn1gYXIa-A for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 19:59:10.254 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:59:10 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Largest sequence number (47b685c) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5952b90e2739d_2d773fa16b5bfc3811068a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1PIfGbBoPa9hA6XSPTC5WwRHpP99BcsD7Pxp Zl/xIHQzNsr2151n2ffaw3z4yeTYOYt0bLIEu6nG1Q2MzQgRAmbiXnOiz+b1z7qMOIb38CUntriV/I F6JY9gPxQ2oSY8oIdMW3Q8RO1NX8tHxy5y7hDsOI0V2pMGwg4RY/DLFcTRKyHHWITfkHv0o1GONctv w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 19:59:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5952b90e2739d_2d773fa16b5bfc3811068a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Isn't this better to factor out the language about when to flip into surrounding text? I mean, both client and server trigger a change in what they send based on receiving a different value in a packet that also increases their largest received sequence number. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/47b685c7f071a10170b70a0dc816315353688bdb#commitcomment-22794480 ----==_mimepart_5952b90e2739d_2d773fa16b5bfc3811068a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Two small suggestions.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -461,24 +461,24 @@ This header form has the following fields:
 
 Header Form:
 
-: The most significant bit (0x80) of the first octet of a packet is the header
+: The most significant bit (0x80) of the octet 0 of a packet is the header

This text is a bit redundant to the "Header Form" section above, and the sentence is a bit awkward. Can you just say "The most significant bit (0x80) of octet 0 is set to 0 for the short header."?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>    form.  This bit is set to 0 for the short header.
 
 Connection ID Flag:
 
-: The second bit (0x40) of the first octet indicates whether the Connection ID
+: The second bit (0x40) of the octet 0 indicates whether the Connection ID

nit: I'd change "the octet 0" to "octet 0", here and below.

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@martinthomson I think the extra clarity is worth an extra few words in this case.

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Tue, 27 Jun 2017 21:01:16 -0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 14:01:15 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5952c79b62c7e_500e3fb5349abc348483f@hookshot-fe1-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] b8bc5d: Refer to all octets by number Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5952c79b628bd_500e3fb5349abc348474e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 21:01:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5952c79b628bd_500e3fb5349abc348474e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/first-octet Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: b8bc5d44d8c3292e078f5e0d73a98f88d924e36b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b8bc5d44d8c3292e078f5e0d73a98f88d924e36b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-27 (Tue, 27 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Refer to all octets by number Closes #580 Commit: 94c1e3590139079e8e59d6268b6065248e4dd947 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/94c1e3590139079e8e59d6268b6065248e4dd947 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-27 (Tue, 27 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Long line Commit: 7ac65235971bb850eece5bc67bea5788c7391c7d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7ac65235971bb850eece5bc67bea5788c7391c7d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-27 (Tue, 27 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Ian's comments Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/2ad5aeb7f8ae...7ac65235971b ----==_mimepart_5952c79b628bd_500e3fb5349abc348474e-- From nobody Tue Jun 27 14:09:25 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4864D12EB43 for ; 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree, but I think that you can factor this AND make it a lot clearer at the same time, e.g., > An endpoint updates the value of the bit in response to receiving packets from its peer. Only packets that increase the largest received packet number cause this change, otherwise a single change could be mistakenly recognized as multiple changes when packets containing different values are reordered. When a packet that increases the largest packet number is received on a given network path an endpoint sets the value that it includes in future packets: > * a client changes its value to the opposite of the value it receives > * a server changes its value to the value that it receives -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/47b685c7f071a10170b70a0dc816315353688bdb#commitcomment-22795947 ----==_mimepart_5952c97cbcd94_57cc3fa261f8bc341379a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I agree, but I think that you can factor this AND make it a lot cleare= r at the same time, e.g.,

An endpoint updates the value of the bit in response to receiving pack= ets from its peer. Only packets that increase the largest received packe= t number cause this change, otherwise a single change could be mistakenly= recognized as multiple changes when packets containing different values = are reordered. When a packet that increases the largest packet number is= received on a given network path an endpoint sets the value that it incl= udes in future packets:

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  • a server changes its value to the value that it receives

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----==_mimepart_5952e07d98a24_5d93fbc1bc93c381576b8-- From nobody Tue Jun 27 15:54:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6252129AA3 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 15:54:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ldV65ifHfJsq for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 15:54:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m71-131.mailgun.net (m71-131.mailgun.net [166.78.71.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37553129AF4 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 15:54:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1498604054; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=koL+colv+8Nh+YdPRlC6Dj3ibfWW16dkxVPk2Uus8hk=; b=ljMoc7oyP/Gb3jHMlD5K7aBmTtzzbM+cs48qZF9YJr9NN+sI2+Nwsn1fF9e/EXaqrIGrsQ7S +qfMkvyvGxuTRy87aHfZ0A9cB0xqwrzzV/x6mJUOfUROWWTPRMAAulJlbNUZW5rqMl/4zWZz JJkQCeq7kRbHwIvUTqT1j7xVdeo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bZtXxurvwcvOpUpoXSo1ulbV/yOmsBgahjN7Rt62acneF+wRz9WAjivKWAliT8lOOPTYuS DIfhawOmGTbyRnC/YkF7xpb5EWYaslm1OfCXV96MUmwC2tJeVjq6jmvLXL3nmxI+IZKHTAID M7+z15Rtls5A3+DwS8tEazyccm9Xo= Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.71.131 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.42]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5952e216.7f0e68058120-smtp-out-n01; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 22:54:14 -0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 15:54:13 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5952e21543f99_4af93ff2cbd71c2c671d2@hookshot-fe1-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] d979fa: Add proposed error codes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5952e21543b85_4af93ff2cbd71c2c6706a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 22:54:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5952e21543b85_4af93ff2cbd71c2c6706a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: d979fa50110b3bbc5b6895347789686e393ed40d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d979fa50110b3bbc5b6895347789686e393ed40d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-21 (Wed, 21 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add proposed error codes This is just the error codes, not references to those codes. Commit: a719ae899ca8d2e2f04493ccdc2afef0fc2fcf14 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a719ae899ca8d2e2f04493ccdc2afef0fc2fcf14 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-21 (Wed, 21 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reference error codes One interesting change here is that we don't have an error code for running out of packet numbers. If you think about this for even a few seconds, you will realize that you can't send that error code because it can't go in a packet. And that's even assuming that you manage to keep a connection alive long enough to send that many packets. At 1 million packets a second, that's almost 600 thousand years. Even if we assume that you jump 2^31 packets every time you switch between networks, and change once a minute, that's 16 thousand years. I didn't remove the parenthetical mention of QUIC_NO_ERROR because that is being removed in other pull requests. Commit: 9eaddcb7c37e3e77ef6aeb5effd134d14d9cbadb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9eaddcb7c37e3e77ef6aeb5effd134d14d9cbadb Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-21 (Wed, 21 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Simplify CONNECTION_CLOSE error handling Commit: 67ccacb999375a0179487b57def82840d6de80d2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/67ccacb999375a0179487b57def82840d6de80d2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-21 (Wed, 21 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add generic and specific frame formatting errors, remove ENHANCE_YER_CALM Commit: 1b2446ff945b5ffd13216988c171c5cf408bc246 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1b2446ff945b5ffd13216988c171c5cf408bc246 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-27 (Tue, 27 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #467 from quicwg/transport_errors Prune transport error codes Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/013ec0a27511...1b2446ff945b ----==_mimepart_5952e21543b85_4af93ff2cbd71c2c6706a-- From nobody Tue Jun 27 15:54:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D790129AF4 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 15:54:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.681 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.681 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dEITiKmaUvlt for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 15:54:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E519129AFF for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2017 15:54:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 15:54:14 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1498604054; bh=WkBaZOVPaEwVbHl8DNn4q12cW1oy1bxNC/Bd4RP8DXU=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=p4VAm5iQM5Q7jRKLyCYAS30/QySxEZ8wWw5hVqtAnjXCHViJu7OZ1oZ3OM/rF2Lfg iqkVKLS6i5zgeGtpKjLEg+VgzdNqTeE4X6dCPD4RA84+R2i0zhi50GVn3jw6H0CseC h14ko9cRoskgzqr6T76fCSpInFBQwGzI8F8TAu60= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Prune transport error codes (#467) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5952e2167106a_38c03face444fc34147847"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 22:54:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5952e2167106a_38c03face444fc34147847 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #467. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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QUIC_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM really only applies to stream 0, doesn't i= t? I mean, if you take the view (as I do) that the transport shouldn't b= e closing streams at all (#485, @mnot keeps renaming my issues, which is really annoying), then = the transport can't know about the special status of any other streams.

After the handshake, UNENCRYPTED_STREAM_DATA means packets that would = be discarded. If you do anything else, you open yourself up to unauthent= icated packets closing your connection. I don't know how to send this er= ror code.

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5952e6d3a0e76_2b453fc68eb13c2863216"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 23:14:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5952e6d3a0e76_2b453fc68eb13c2863216 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/validate_vn Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 4f1b348990bd4e955537cfa576ea2fc470171bd2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4f1b348990bd4e955537cfa576ea2fc470171bd2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-27 (Tue, 27 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Increase resilience to spoofed Version Negotiation packets There's two layers of defense here: 1. Version Negotiation echoes 31-bits of entropy (maybe more if you consider the version to be at all unpredictable, or the client's source address to contain any entropy). 2. If validation fails and version negotiation happened, encourage the client to try again ignoring any Version Negotiation packets that match the failed profile. Closes #523. 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In #467, we removed a bunch of error codes. This tracks whether we want to restore any of those.

The following might be invalid: HANDSHAKE_TIMEOUT, NETWORK_IDLE_TIMEOUT, PUBLIC_RESET_RECEIVED, TOO_MANY_RTOS.

The following probably depend on a resolution to #608: UNENCRYPTED_STREAM_DATA, INVALID_VERSION_NEGOTIATION_PACKET, ADDRESS_VALIDATION_FAILURE

A code for closing the crypto stream (or critical streams, if we ever have that concept) might depend on #485.

For PAYLOAD_MISSING we already have generic codes that could be used, we might also not bother to decrypt a packet that is only long enough to hold the authentication tag and so the error might never be detected.

When adding these back, we should describe the conditions under which they are generated.

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This corrects both of those oversights. Closes #659. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/671 -- Commit Summary -- * Clarify how connection ID can be omitted -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (20) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/671.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/671.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/671 ----==_mimepart_5952f1be91e4b_bdbf3fbff7155c3864197 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The definition of the truncate_connection_id was correct, but the name
was poor (it implied that part of the connection ID was included) and it
wasn't referenced from the critical part of the document (the short
header definition). This corrects both of those oversights.

Closes #659.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/671

Commit Summary

  • Clarify how connection ID can be omitted

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -468,7 +468,10 @@ Connection ID Flag:
 
 : The second bit (0x40) of the first octet indicates whether the Connection ID
   field is present.  If set to 1, then the Connection ID field is present; if
-  set to 0, the Connection ID field is omitted.
+  set to 0, the Connection ID field is omitted.  The Connection ID field can
+  only be omitted if the omit_connection_id transport parameter
+  ({{transport-parameter-definitions}}) is used by the intended recipient of the

nit: By used, do you mean negotiated?

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@huitema requested changes on this pull request.

The DISINTEREST frame type should be listed in the # Frames and Frame Types {#frames} section of the transport specification. This is missing from the PR.

I would suggest adding an error code. This can be quite useful for debugging.

I would like to see it just parallel the RST STREAM frame, i.e. with an indication of how much data the receiver wanted to get. But I can also see that not having a parameter makes the spec simpler, and that having the parameter can open to all kinds of funky attacks.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +An endpoint may use a DISINTEREST frame (type=0x08) to communicate that incoming
+data is being discarded on receipt at application request.  This signals a peer
+to abruptly terminate transmission on a stream.  The frame is as follows:
+
+~~~
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                        Stream ID (32)                         |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~
+
+The fields are:
+
+* Stream ID: The 32-bit Stream ID of the stream being ignored.
+

I think it would be simpler to have exactly the same setup as RST: Error code, stream ID, and amount consumed. At least the error code, with the reason for sending the DISINTEREST.

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The transport semantic discussion is a hard one. Suppose an API from the= App to the Transport stating that "I am not interested in that stream". Th= e transport can act locally, without telling anything to the peer: just dro= p all incoming STREAM frames for that stream. The peer will have no way to = tell whether the frames were consumed or dropped. I do think that it would = be better to send a DISINTEREST (or DISCARD) stream to tell the peer about = that. I would add an error code in the frame, because diagnostic.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -468,7 +468,10 @@ Connection ID Flag:
 
 : The second bit (0x40) of the first octet indicates whether the Connection ID
   field is present.  If set to 1, then the Connection ID field is present; if
-  set to 0, the Connection ID field is omitted.
+  set to 0, the Connection ID field is omitted.  The Connection ID field can
+  only be omitted if the omit_connection_id transport parameter
+  ({{transport-parameter-definitions}}) is used by the intended recipient of the

This isn't really a negotiation. Each endpoint indicates whether it will accept a packet that omits connection ID. Nothing that its peer says will change that. "Used" is perhaps a little too generic, but would "includes" work?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +An endpoint may use a DISINTEREST frame (type=0x08) to communicate that incoming
+data is being discarded on receipt at application request.  This signals a peer
+to abruptly terminate transmission on a stream.  The frame is as follows:
+
+~~~
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                        Stream ID (32)                         |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~
+
+The fields are:
+
+* Stream ID: The 32-bit Stream ID of the stream being ignored.
+

There originally was, and @martinthomson suggested removing it (see his review in April). The point of this frame is that the sender's side isn't inherently closed, so any reasons can still be communicated at the application layer. That's certainly the case with HTTP, where the most common reason is that the server has already generated a response. I have a mild preference for leaving it out, since this isn't targeted at error cases, but I'm largely ambivalent. I'd suggest taking that design discussion to the issue or list.

Including the offset doesn't really matter -- the sender of DISINTEREST has received all the data they needed, which implies the receiver has already successfully sent at least that much. Why do they care what the offset of not-caring was? RST_STREAM includes the offset because that's necessary to synchronize flow control. Not so here.

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Bah, you're right -- we lost the frame type field entry when I merged the changes with the updated flow control frames, I think. Let me put that back....

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -468,7 +468,10 @@ Connection ID Flag:
 
 : The second bit (0x40) of the first octet indicates whether the Connection ID
   field is present.  If set to 1, then the Connection ID field is present; if
-  set to 0, the Connection ID field is omitted.
+  set to 0, the Connection ID field is omitted.  The Connection ID field can
+  only be omitted if the omit_connection_id transport parameter
+  ({{transport-parameter-definitions}}) is used by the intended recipient of the

Includes is ok, but maybe "supplied" or "specified"?

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----==_mimepart_5953eb7e1987_332c3face91b3c3c1707a7-- From nobody Wed Jun 28 10:56:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C43129B94 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2017 10:56:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=michbish=microsoft.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2e_VHksLabJR for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2017 10:56:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m69-169.mailgun.net (m69-169.mailgun.net [166.78.69.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76521127078 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2017 10:56:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1498672580; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=rkvKut8R+mGm1NXOXTmbO5OefINjdTeVfKbiIxduAzo=; b=NdexkElf5DoFbm/ia8h6qssggeDlUovLChe16N/moz45Y5T+G4kPt93ULPf7Fi/zyXmkPMCh mbD/pZFIvwiEOSD9/s9FZfqQlVjR9UfdL0SphvQzzAMteAKjlnIziX6cR9+QA2hbQLHwU5OL D8gvdH7D4cO+e5KEi4AvBatG7R8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=q+7jekAMbfVPsB38Im+WFsufKm7wVObo96mDnoi7ZXFwri/x680qH9B2pyU/TpCx5RREfh ohcPV6J2RxPha07DmTRevdEPT4P1/geYzCNYr8G1/2Z2sf/7AYVM3gZhBZkZW0lQD5JppXV2 DkYyi4nophbUkr/eByFBMldeLKuDo= Sender: michbish=microsoft.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.169 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.34]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5953edc3.7f83bc6016f0-smtp-out-n03; Wed, 28 Jun 2017 17:56:19 -0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 10:56:19 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: Mike Bishop To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5953edc36f1a8_ab53fbdb8dc3c2c12566a@hookshot-fe2-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] daf38c: Transport parameters that are included in NewSessi... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5953edc36ea54_ab53fbdb8dc3c2c1255a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 17:56:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5953edc36ea54_ab53fbdb8dc3c2c1255a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/request_rst Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: daf38cad9575dba61eb99d1e6d3399ef65329b06 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/daf38cad9575dba61eb99d1e6d3399ef65329b06 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-05-22 (Mon, 22 May 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Transport parameters that are included in NewSessionTicket don't need versions The point of the version fields in transport parameters is to authenticate a version negotiation exchange, which doesn't apply in the 0-RTT case. I also corrected the change log. Closes #547. Commit: 35fbeaf8c4b96273424c2a87aeb4fb35c0f831bc https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/35fbeaf8c4b96273424c2a87aeb4fb35c0f831bc Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-01 (Thu, 01 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Loosen the MUST requirement to close if an unsent packet is acknowledged Closes #564 Commit: 189110b0e6ac8dfda3a2fba6e0d8299553e20d9b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/189110b0e6ac8dfda3a2fba6e0d8299553e20d9b Author: Igor Lubashev Date: 2017-06-05 (Mon, 05 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix an old reference to client-generated connection id. Commit: 86bda6d778dca6fae45c5efcc230ee254666e419 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/86bda6d778dca6fae45c5efcc230ee254666e419 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-05 (Mon, 05 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fixes #579 Commit: ae3fa11d3d09a31563c5538771d4f0016089c7c8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ae3fa11d3d09a31563c5538771d4f0016089c7c8 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-06 (Tue, 06 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Limit the size of packets This is primarily for constrained implementations. Based on experience with TLS, there can be real burden for those implementations just implementing an AEAD correctly over large records. This setting would allow an absurdly constrained device some defense against peers who might otherwise send jumbo packets. After all, jumbo packets can be more efficient. Closes #383. Commit: e8e98379fa639f27f5722b78ffe9a2c403e590ed https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e8e98379fa639f27f5722b78ffe9a2c403e590ed Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-06 (Tue, 06 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Increase minimum to 1252 Commit: fcfd29b776c6946c0a107a58a8df3f341a8e2420 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fcfd29b776c6946c0a107a58a8df3f341a8e2420 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-07 (Wed, 07 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #581 from quicwg/36-bit_version Fixes #579 Commit: 80f3af3e7796875452c9181160a36f0b15adc6b0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/80f3af3e7796875452c9181160a36f0b15adc6b0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-08 (Thu, 08 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fixes #610 Commit: 0ecbba5508164d1f7c38de36100e88a7fb16cc12 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0ecbba5508164d1f7c38de36100e88a7fb16cc12 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-08 (Thu, 08 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Streams, not stream IDs Commit: 916f81e1e77ad4de2dd3d68a13dc65dd9735ef96 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/916f81e1e77ad4de2dd3d68a13dc65dd9735ef96 Author: EKR Date: 2017-06-09 (Fri, 09 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Clarify mapping of bits to lengths for STREAM frame. Also, re-order the presentation to match the order in the struct. Commit: 1fdf962506043652bb619a2f470f46c2128584e2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1fdf962506043652bb619a2f470f46c2128584e2 Author: EKR Date: 2017-06-09 (Fri, 09 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- WIRE FORMAT CHANGE: Change the order of the bits in the STREAM frame type byte to match the order of the fields, so it's less confusing. Commit: fb6b15fccfb42b7d2b58db51d071c77c82eab97d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fb6b15fccfb42b7d2b58db51d071c77c82eab97d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-09 (Fri, 09 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #618 from ekr/encoding_nits Clarify mapping of bits to lengths for STREAM frame. Also, re-order Commit: 12cc25961505f5041d39eeb10c27985f10ef7ba1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/12cc25961505f5041d39eeb10c27985f10ef7ba1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-09 (Fri, 09 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #565 from quicwg/unsent_ack Loosen the MUST requirement to close if an unsent packet is acknowledged Commit: 32db7a99cad59b1f51b17b4d636f5b92adb582d3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/32db7a99cad59b1f51b17b4d636f5b92adb582d3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-09 (Fri, 09 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #501 from quicwg/max_packet_size Limit the size of packets Commit: 449f4327b3d0c4e042e826f96bbbf34681dac167 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/449f4327b3d0c4e042e826f96bbbf34681dac167 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-10 (Sat, 10 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix stream state machine This corrects a few infidelities about the way that stream states update. This includes Subodh's excellent suggestion to limit transitions from idle to only go through open. Fixes #572, #571. Commit: 07dedceb98466551b797e1a88303d96453aa5299 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/07dedceb98466551b797e1a88303d96453aa5299 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-10 (Sat, 10 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix 571 properly Commit: b1875874a6b52b8eb8ad5c796d1f0ae39c3f4409 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b1875874a6b52b8eb8ad5c796d1f0ae39c3f4409 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-10 (Sat, 10 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Allow for RST_STREAM more explicitly. Commit: 48241ef8f64462b3d1c722a9d552b2acaa08e6f8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/48241ef8f64462b3d1c722a9d552b2acaa08e6f8 Author: EKR Date: 2017-06-13 (Tue, 13 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Clarify the mapping of bits to lengths Commit: 6be53dbfc723be0386cdb6d7663a9b690377e3b5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6be53dbfc723be0386cdb6d7663a9b690377e3b5 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2017-06-13 (Tue, 13 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #619 from ekr/frame_type_word Frame type word Commit: caf396f6a7b9f955be387250396895d1737f27b9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/caf396f6a7b9f955be387250396895d1737f27b9 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2017-06-13 (Tue, 13 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #616 from quicwg/multiple_stream_frames Fixes #610 Commit: bb6cee1e060d5a3a69b53a1d71bbe1d6d8ef6d1e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bb6cee1e060d5a3a69b53a1d71bbe1d6d8ef6d1e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-13 (Tue, 13 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove the requirement to have stream data acknowledged for close Commit: 4eb3d775d4a1f0e148d90b328585cb3bb4478021 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4eb3d775d4a1f0e148d90b328585cb3bb4478021 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-13 (Tue, 13 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #626 from ekr/ack_bits Clarify the mapping of bits to lengths Commit: 237dab001d50a5e5cf1f73147d66249d097e84c0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/237dab001d50a5e5cf1f73147d66249d097e84c0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-13 (Tue, 13 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #623 from quicwg/any_frame_opens Fix stream state machine Commit: dd48c42249502cd79a358c7bfa1ec8c858d75fcc https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dd48c42249502cd79a358c7bfa1ec8c858d75fcc Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-13 (Tue, 13 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Move stream ID fields to start of frames This also reorders the bits on the STREAM frame so that they appear in the same order as the fields they affect. Commit: 04a0676f6043873a68a778bb14771d4c0ebed1f2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/04a0676f6043873a68a778bb14771d4c0ebed1f2 Author: ianswett Date: 2017-06-13 (Tue, 13 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Increase max length of largest acked Increases the max length of largest acked from 48 bits to 64 bits in order to allow more than 2^48 packets be sent on a connection. Commit: 0df7895a8f097f87b8e4ce73b74cdb372325f889 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0df7895a8f097f87b8e4ce73b74cdb372325f889 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-13 (Tue, 13 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #629 from quicwg/ianswett-64bitack Increase max length of largest acked Commit: 9029afd3d45312a912affee0940f009b10252e8f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9029afd3d45312a912affee0940f009b10252e8f Author: Patrick McManus Date: 2017-06-15 (Thu, 15 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- correct the definition of the ACK FRAME N bit * it does not indicate if there is more than 1 range in the frame as even if present it may be 0 * the num blocks field is not in the ack block section at all as stated Commit: fac19043fafe978c7e1f7cf3ba85ddcf330adbe8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fac19043fafe978c7e1f7cf3ba85ddcf330adbe8 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-16 (Fri, 16 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #633 from mcmanus/nbit correct the definition of the ACK FRAME N bit Commit: 8f49f773b295686ea54f0c02ee6b5dcefb5bbd3f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8f49f773b295686ea54f0c02ee6b5dcefb5bbd3f Author: Alexis La Goutte Date: 2017-06-18 (Sun, 18 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Move description of Error Code (field) in RST_STREAM it is after Stream ID Commit: 3d0375321cbec20821f89b88da20261614645f0f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3d0375321cbec20821f89b88da20261614645f0f Author: Alexis La Goutte Date: 2017-06-18 (Sun, 18 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Move Data Length before Stream DATA Commit: 03e25f8ca54fab13341015ebdacd34d0daa25db7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/03e25f8ca54fab13341015ebdacd34d0daa25db7 Author: Alexis La Goutte Date: 2017-06-18 (Sun, 18 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add changelog between draft-03 and draft-04 Change STREAM and RST_STREAM layout Add MAX_STREAM_ID settings Based on https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/quic/mCToZ3rZqfoqAK9TCEs9pvsYrBo Commit: 4a6aea7e08b25c0eca97933e8a8aabbb3e503545 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4a6aea7e08b25c0eca97933e8a8aabbb3e503545 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-18 (Sun, 18 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #639 from alagoutte/data_length_field_stream Move Data Length before Stream DATA Commit: a9a4fdbc280c538551e7364c968b2eb931991ead https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a9a4fdbc280c538551e7364c968b2eb931991ead Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-18 (Sun, 18 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #640 from alagoutte/changelog_draft03-draft04 Add changelog between draft-03 and draft-04 Commit: ac58ffc52f2777cef664612f8398e127cfb4c65f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ac58ffc52f2777cef664612f8398e127cfb4c65f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-18 (Sun, 18 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #638 from alagoutte/error_code_field_rst_stream Move description of Error Code (field) in RST_STREAM Commit: 97ccec799b580f7973d9b82115d49fca115635bf https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/97ccec799b580f7973d9b82115d49fca115635bf Author: Brian Trammell Date: 2017-06-19 (Mon, 19 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M CONTRIBUTING.md Log Message: ----------- update note well for 8179 Commit: 875e3268d2c7bc5c5768de0147263f2dbc02634e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/875e3268d2c7bc5c5768de0147263f2dbc02634e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-19 (Mon, 19 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M CONTRIBUTING.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #641 from britram/note-well Update note well in CONTRIBUTING.md for 8179 Commit: f9f5b783e433d669a7b4881d186e4cee03447fc4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f9f5b783e433d669a7b4881d186e4cee03447fc4 Author: EKR Date: 2017-06-19 (Mon, 19 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Update labels for -20 Commit: eefde0624978b3ab97d2428de68353d389e93999 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/eefde0624978b3ab97d2428de68353d389e93999 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-20 (Tue, 20 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #642 from ekr/tls_exporter_label Update labels for -20 Commit: 73350e11947ea7dabe863a85c55575b1efe628ba https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/73350e11947ea7dabe863a85c55575b1efe628ba Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-21 (Wed, 21 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Attempt to make the text clearer. Closes #605 Commit: c9d82520b341558df44459735cd33777260e44fb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c9d82520b341558df44459735cd33777260e44fb Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-21 (Wed, 21 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #576 from igorlord/editorial-connection-id Fix an old reference to client-generated connection id. Commit: d979fa50110b3bbc5b6895347789686e393ed40d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d979fa50110b3bbc5b6895347789686e393ed40d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-21 (Wed, 21 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add proposed error codes This is just the error codes, not references to those codes. Commit: a719ae899ca8d2e2f04493ccdc2afef0fc2fcf14 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a719ae899ca8d2e2f04493ccdc2afef0fc2fcf14 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-21 (Wed, 21 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reference error codes One interesting change here is that we don't have an error code for running out of packet numbers. If you think about this for even a few seconds, you will realize that you can't send that error code because it can't go in a packet. And that's even assuming that you manage to keep a connection alive long enough to send that many packets. At 1 million packets a second, that's almost 600 thousand years. Even if we assume that you jump 2^31 packets every time you switch between networks, and change once a minute, that's 16 thousand years. I didn't remove the parenthetical mention of QUIC_NO_ERROR because that is being removed in other pull requests. Commit: 9eaddcb7c37e3e77ef6aeb5effd134d14d9cbadb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9eaddcb7c37e3e77ef6aeb5effd134d14d9cbadb Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-21 (Wed, 21 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Simplify CONNECTION_CLOSE error handling Commit: 67ccacb999375a0179487b57def82840d6de80d2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/67ccacb999375a0179487b57def82840d6de80d2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-21 (Wed, 21 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add generic and specific frame formatting errors, remove ENHANCE_YER_CALM Commit: 6ceeeaf62c591b63fd5e08428a3427dd5093b215 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6ceeeaf62c591b63fd5e08428a3427dd5093b215 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-21 (Wed, 21 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M Makefile Log Message: ----------- Create separate lint target Commit: d228883e1412380a7e88f7b248096c792fac1738 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d228883e1412380a7e88f7b248096c792fac1738 Author: ianswett Date: 2017-06-21 (Wed, 21 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Define largest_sent_packet and largest_acked_packet (#646) Commit: f66d3eb23996d2b1755d01110723c6d16897810c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f66d3eb23996d2b1755d01110723c6d16897810c Author: ianswett Date: 2017-06-21 (Wed, 21 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Disambiguate OnPacketAcked (#648) Commit: 37ff3e66c139cd2edc3b7f27f38105cf4d1270b2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/37ff3e66c139cd2edc3b7f27f38105cf4d1270b2 Author: Patrick McManus Date: 2017-06-21 (Wed, 21 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- reword 'cumulative ack' language to avoid tcp confusion I have had the experience of being confused by the "cumulative ack" langauge in the current draft and then explaining it to others confused about the same thing. cumulative' is not used in the tcp sense where the largest-ack is cumulative for all of the packets previous to it. It tends to mean non-revokable here (which the draft also uses - imo to more clarity.) While future acks can incorprate the data from old ack frames (being in that sense cumulative) they do not have to and in some cases will not be able to be so for space reasons. In this case I think it is just the clarifying text that is confusing - so less is more. Commit: c8eddaae05b2078356c539ef0bdc5e14cec61fb6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c8eddaae05b2078356c539ef0bdc5e14cec61fb6 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-22 (Thu, 22 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #649 from quicwg/packet-number-size-reordering-bug Attempt to make the packet number encoding text clearer Commit: 80c3c228e18681bb8fad3cb18109de822bf1336e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/80c3c228e18681bb8fad3cb18109de822bf1336e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-22 (Thu, 22 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #653 from mcmanus/edit-cumulative reword 'cumulative ack' language to avoid tcp confusion Commit: 05d6c971869534129ce6293e94b9b51a644e5804 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/05d6c971869534129ce6293e94b9b51a644e5804 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-22 (Thu, 22 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #548 from quicwg/nst_parameters NewSessionTicket version fields Commit: c9b7db98af671513dc179dfe7038004f0ab02330 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c9b7db98af671513dc179dfe7038004f0ab02330 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-23 (Fri, 23 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- A STREAM frame MUST NOT be empty Closes #652. Commit: 400a60768ebd1f93ddfa6d2884f111a05f0a6d23 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/400a60768ebd1f93ddfa6d2884f111a05f0a6d23 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-26 (Mon, 26 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #657 from quicwg/stream_not_empty A STREAM frame MUST NOT be empty Commit: 184718ce5a224a3bb769ebca0591b34ec754a195 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/184718ce5a224a3bb769ebca0591b34ec754a195 Author: Patrick McManus Date: 2017-06-25 (Sun, 25 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- The plaintext is does not necessarily follow the packet number, and the term common header isn't otherwise defined. Commit: 1b03802f6e5740ff7e794fd61fd4a1ad74f64c98 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1b03802f6e5740ff7e794fd61fd4a1ad74f64c98 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-26 (Mon, 26 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #664 from mcmanus/not-pn The plaintext is does not necessarily follow the packet number Commit: 09946fc114fa29fd55b0c4ed4db5ab3336807586 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/09946fc114fa29fd55b0c4ed4db5ab3336807586 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-26 (Mon, 26 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- The string length needed to be updated Commit: bb24ed5a427b6dda94cd2ef75dc71c7f2ebbf782 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bb24ed5a427b6dda94cd2ef75dc71c7f2ebbf782 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-26 (Mon, 26 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Fix figure formatting Commit: 0959dc6bd23a5e1df66c2406d488145d14f79dfa https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0959dc6bd23a5e1df66c2406d488145d14f79dfa Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-26 (Mon, 26 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #666 from quicwg/issue665 The string length needed to be updated Commit: 1d35cb3dec7d3ed5c8bed567b4eec3138534bb16 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1d35cb3dec7d3ed5c8bed567b4eec3138534bb16 Author: Mark Nottingham Date: 2017-06-27 (Tue, 27 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M CONTRIBUTING.md Log Message: ----------- plain -> plan Commit: b1c60438e23bb9a6a6724015b303238ee6986362 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b1c60438e23bb9a6a6724015b303238ee6986362 Author: Mark Nottingham Date: 2017-06-27 (Tue, 27 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M CONTRIBUTING.md Log Message: ----------- add architectural issues Commit: 013ec0a2751107369aafec7d4255d9b82bfc19a4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/013ec0a2751107369aafec7d4255d9b82bfc19a4 Author: ianswett Date: 2017-06-27 (Tue, 27 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Clarify bytes_in_flight (#551) * Clarify bytes_in_flight * Clarify PADDING Commit: 1b2446ff945b5ffd13216988c171c5cf408bc246 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1b2446ff945b5ffd13216988c171c5cf408bc246 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-06-27 (Tue, 27 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #467 from quicwg/transport_errors Prune transport error codes Commit: 1536501b067b20a810600b61b2dedcff12059b08 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1536501b067b20a810600b61b2dedcff12059b08 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-06-28 (Wed, 28 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M CONTRIBUTING.md M Makefile M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into request_rst Commit: 52f99c7cf83c4d87c8f2ef41450a8a0343619af3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/52f99c7cf83c4d87c8f2ef41450a8a0343619af3 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-06-28 (Wed, 28 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update frame type value and table Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/299e72d53afe...52f99c7cf83c ----==_mimepart_5953edc36ea54_ab53fbdb8dc3c2c1255a-- From nobody Wed Jun 28 10:57:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98CF6129B9C for ; 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@mar= tinthomson, the application can also use these error codes, or so I've = been assuming. So the HTTP layer will generate QUIC_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM= if the session control stream is closed. You could split that up, but the= n every application will wind up defining its own version of "you broke it,= dummy!".

True, after the handshake. I envision this as being the following scena= rio:

  • Application has called the QUIC library to open a connection and dumped= data into the first streams in hopes of 0-RTT (or 0.5 RTT on the server)
  • QUIC library accidentally leaks this pending data into handshake cleart= ext packets
  • Recipient generates this error on the affected streams or connection, d= epending on how aggressive it wants to be.

It's a fairly specific bug, sure. It's effectively not possible after t= he handshake. If you want to generalize it somehow, go for it. But it is a valid form of peer misbehavior that you might want to signal to = the other side.

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----==_mimepart_595412e1c622a_43df3f7ea5bf3c3c185711-- From nobody Wed Jun 28 13:35:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F99712EC53 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2017 13:34:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.801 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AS_njhlDgfw9 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2017 13:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CAC912EBAA for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2017 13:34:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=TOH9TXtisfWXDn8JnLoexx2VFYU=; b=HL/QdIrMKx55GL1j AcBLJKojyCKrRfqEuX5T3YQ3TtnJd7SDMBXI/ha2pVSHAhAtB4IlvHTaum+U6a33 tYilN8waG2InpoME6kKZzg2DRKOIoaJILPPuXIf5mB/KIcb5OQ/81BKWjVAyZbjD 8RA4X/RtECUpF+SwtnFGWpiHzfY= Received: by filter1071p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1071p1mdw1-8780-595412D4-14 2017-06-28 20:34:28.353280436 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0027p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 7KHgnbPWQFyEydmuUg7YYw for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2017 20:34:28.329 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 20:34:28 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Error codes (#211) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_595412d4d749_3ad23fbbe4b07c34112916"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0Kf3Cbze7xuz92sjdGEGhn9JypFYxJV4mmXA taCLYjyxK77YDiKBy8HnqVaN1km8kVSMaCx8pp8vYgBfPCM/t1b9iXz3ai44ERDXCpPpFFED3BKgNw /DdgOXT4OAx0mIt65kYzRLEdyfwDiMldWv+wejIpLVEbIKFtaHka3N8hY6Z21a0GDS0TUs5jTJUKrV M= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 20:34:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_595412d4d749_3ad23fbbe4b07c34112916 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm increasingly of the opinion that applications shouldn't be using QUIC error codes, but you are right that doing that means some duplication of work across applications. Based on what we currently have, the generic codes are either properly generic (NO_ERROR, INTERNAL_ERROR) or they are maybe only applicable to a subset of applications (CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM, CANCELLED). I can't properly justify generalizing those codes at this point. Management of error code spaces is not a feature that the transport needs to do, and meddling in that space is where we are currently headed. I'd prefer to leave the RST_STREAM error code open for use by applications and leave the semantics of the code points entirely unspecified in QUIC. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/211#issuecomment-311780840 ----==_mimepart_595412d4d749_3ad23fbbe4b07c34112916 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm increasingly of the opinion that applications shouldn't be using QUI= C error codes, but you are right that doing that means some duplication of = work across applications. Based on what we currently have, the generic cod= es are either properly generic (NO_ERROR, INTERNAL_ERROR) or they are maybe= only applicable to a subset of applications (CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM, CANCE= LLED). I can't properly justify generalizing those codes at this point. M= anagement of error code spaces is not a feature that the transport needs to= do, and meddling in that space is where we are currently headed. I'd pref= er to leave the RST_STREAM error code open for use by applications and leav= e the semantics of the code points entirely unspecified in QUIC.

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I'm increasingly of the opinion that applications shouldn't be using QUIC error codes

@martinthomson does that deserve to be a seperate (arch) issue?

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That implies, as you alluded to, that the transport should never abort an i= ndividual stream. With the move to max-stream-ID, that seems possible, sin= ce using a stream ID beyond the limit could more reasonably be considered a= fatal error. It also implies that the application can=E2=80=99t abruptly = close a connection, though, which I=E2=80=99m more conflicted about. From: Martin Thomson [mailto:notifications@github.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 1:34 PM To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Mike Bishop ; Comment Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Error codes (#211) I'm increasingly of the opinion that applications shouldn't be using QUIC e= rror codes, but you are right that doing that means some duplication of wor= k across applications. Based on what we currently have, the generic codes a= re either properly generic (NO_ERROR, INTERNAL_ERROR) or they are maybe onl= y applicable to a subset of applications (CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM, CANCELLED= ). I can't properly justify generalizing those codes at this point. Managem= ent of error code spaces is not a feature that the transport needs to do, a= nd meddling in that space is where we are currently headed. I'd prefer to l= eave the RST_STREAM error code open for use by applications and leave the s= emantics of the code points entirely unspecified in QUIC. =E2=80=94 You are receiving this because you commented. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread. --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/211#issuecomment-311795942= ----==_mimepart_59541e09ce0b3_56a3f99ea099c3c172387 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah, so move in a direction where there aren=E2=80=99t just distinct ranges,= but:

* CONNECTION_CLOSE specifies a QUIC error code
* RST_STREAM delivers an application-specified close reason with no tra= nsport-layer semantics

That would certainly allow us to dramatically shrink the error code space.

That implies, as you alluded to, that the transport should never abort an i= ndividual stream. With the move to max-stream-ID, that seems possible, sin= ce using a stream ID beyond the limit could more reasonably be considered a= fatal error. It also implies that the application can=E2=80=99t abruptly = close a connection, though, which I=E2=80=99m more conflicted about.

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I'm increasingly of the opinion that applications shouldn't be usin= g QUIC error codes, but you are right that doing that means some duplicatio= n of work across applications. Based on what we currently have, the generic= codes are either properly generic (NO_ERROR, INTERNAL_ERROR) or they are m= aybe only applicable to a subset of applications (CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM, C= ANCELLED). I can't properly justify generalizing those codes at this po= int. Management of error code spaces is not a feature that the transport ne= eds to do, and meddling in that space is where we are currently headed. I&#= 39;d prefer to leave the RST_STREAM error code open for use by applications= and leave the semantics of the code points entirely unspecified in QUIC.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> + 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|   Type (8)    |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                        Stream ID (32)                         |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~~~
+
+After the stream header, data streams contain the octets of the payload body.
+Data streams do not carry frames.
+
+Data streams MUST reference a request or response stream.  The referenced stream
+MUST include a HAS_BODY frame.  If a data stream is received that references a
+stream of a different type, the referenced stream does not include a HAS_BODY
+frame, or another data stream already references the identified steam, then the
+connection MUST be terminated with a HTTP_UNMATCHED_BODY error.  Note that due

HTTP_UNMATCHED_DATA

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Two bits of that byte describe the directionality of the stream: - Unidirectional (no response expected) - Initial bidirectional (one response expected) - Initial multi-response (one or more responses expected; needs a better name) - Response If the type is Response, there's an Associated Stream ID field, length given by two more bits following the same pattern as the SS bits in the STREAM frame ID. # Personal Opinion On the plus side, these stream types seem to cover the abstractions I can envision for most applications. You can unilaterally send something (unidirectional), do request/response (bidirectional), or pub/sub (single subscription stream, series of update streams). I don't care for the fact that I still need the stream type header in HTTP after putting this in the transport. That will be ameliorated if we go back to one stream per request, since all unidirectional streams will be push streams. (As a side-note, I considered using the multiple-response option in the HTTP mapping, but then I need a stream header again to indicate which is the response and which the pushes.) I particularly don't like that you now have to look at the frame type header to find out whether a field exists which tells you the length of something else in the header. I'd like to simplify that. I went with this model over a CREATE_STREAM frame because of @mikkelfj's use-case of very small messages -- this adds only one byte to the first frame on a stream in one direction and 2-5 bytes to the first frame of response streams. A separate frame type would be somewhat larger, but could be cleaner in that respect. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/672 -- Commit Summary -- * Add stream correlation at the transport layer * Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/unidirectional_mt' into multidirectional -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (144) M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (63) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/672.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/672.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/672 ----==_mimepart_59542c3817b00_95a3f9809c8fc2c9543f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This is an augmentation of @martinthomson's PR to add stream correlation, as promised.

Major changes

Leveraging @igorlord's insight that OO=00 only occurs on the first STREAM frame of a stream, I used that as the trigger for a Stream Properties byte. Two bits of that byte describe the directionality of the stream:

  • Unidirectional (no response expected)
  • Initial bidirectional (one response expected)
  • Initial multi-response (one or more responses expected; needs a better name)
  • Response

If the type is Response, there's an Associated Stream ID field, length given by two more bits following the same pattern as the SS bits in the STREAM frame ID.

Personal Opinion

On the plus side, these stream types seem to cover the abstractions I can envision for most applications. You can unilaterally send something (unidirectional), do request/response (bidirectional), or pub/sub (single subscription stream, series of update streams).

I don't care for the fact that I still need the stream type header in HTTP after putting this in the transport. That will be ameliorated if we go back to one stream per request, since all unidirectional streams will be push streams. (As a side-note, I considered using the multiple-response option in the HTTP mapping, but then I need a stream header again to indicate which is the response and which the pushes.)

I particularly don't like that you now have to look at the frame type header to find out whether a field exists which tells you the length of something else in the header. I'd like to simplify that. I went with this model over a CREATE_STREAM frame because of @mikkelfj's use-case of very small messages -- this adds only one byte to the first frame on a stream in one direction and 2-5 bytes to the first frame of response streams. A separate frame type would be somewhat larger, but could be cleaner in that respect.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/672

Commit Summary

  • Add stream correlation at the transport layer
  • Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/unidirectional_mt' into multidirectional

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I have so far only looked at transport.md - I think the exact encoding i= s not too important for now - notably var length integers might replace bit= s in the type byte.

One thought is that it might not be desirable to check for association e= rrors because the initial stream might be closed and gone before a response= arrives. Checking validity would require state to be retained - in princip= le indefinitely. But the association type may still be useful to and API la= yer.

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One more nit, but looks good.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 Long Packet Type:
 
-: The remaining seven bits of first octet of a long packet is the packet type.
-  This field can indicate one of 128 packet types.  The types specified for this
+: The remaining seven bits of octet 0 of a long packet is the packet type.  This

nit: is => are?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 Long Packet Type:
 
-: The remaining seven bits of first octet of a long packet is the packet type.
-  This field can indicate one of 128 packet types.  The types specified for this
+: The remaining seven bits of octet 0 of a long packet is the packet type.  This

I think "of a long packet" is redundant given "Long Packet Type:" is the title as well, and it makes the sentence a bit awkward.

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One thought is that it might not be desirable to check for association erro= rs because the initial stream might be closed and gone before a response ar= rives. Checking validity would require state to be retained - in principle = indefinitely. But the association type may still be useful to and API layer.

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Thanks for all the comments. I tried to resolve them in my updated PR, but a few questions may need further clarification or tweaks. > | v - recv FIN/ +--------+ send FIN/ - recv RST | | send RST + recv FIN/ +--------+ send FIN/ + recv RST/send UNI | | send RST/recv UNI I clarified the text to indicate only the peer the stream is reserved for can send the first STREAM frame. In regards to RST, I added text on that as well, but I suspect it needs a state transition change as well, which I haven't fully thought through. Feel free to offer a suggestion. > STREAM frames is permitted. An endpoint MAY also send MAX_STREAM_DATA and -RST_STREAM in this state. +RST_STREAM in this state. A stream immediately transitions to +"half-closed (local)" if it is created with the UNI flag set. I attempted to clarify the text largely as Jana suggested to clarify this is when one receives a STREAM frame with the UNI bit set. > @@ -2483,8 +2489,8 @@ after a frame bearing the FIN flag is sent. A stream is "half-closed (remote)" when the stream is no longer being used by the peer to send any data. An endpoint will have either received all data that -a peer has sent or will have received a RST_STREAM frame and discarded any -received data. +a peer has sent, will have sent an UNI flag on the stream, or will have Possibly you or Buck have suggestions on how the HTTP mapping should change? Except for server push, I don't think it needs to change at all, and that change should be as minor as specifying that server push streams should be initiated with the unidirectional bit set to true. > @@ -2571,6 +2577,9 @@ the data limits set by its peer. The cryptographic handshake stream, Stream 0, is exempt from the connection-level data limits established by MAX_DATA. Stream 0 is still subject to stream-level data limits and MAX_STREAM_DATA. +If a STREAM frame is received for a stream that was previously specified as +unidirectional, the connection MUST be closed with QUIC_INVALID_FRAME_DATA. Yes, this was worded terribly, I attempted to fix it. Please tell me if it makes sense now. > @@ -2757,7 +2766,8 @@ is increased. The final offset is the count of the number of octets that are transmitted on a stream. For a stream that is reset, the final offset is carried explicitly in the RST_STREAM frame. Otherwise, the final offset is the offset of the end of -the data carried in STREAM frame marked with a FIN flag. +the data carried in STREAM frame marked with a FIN flag, or 0 in the case of +received streams with the UNI flag set. Done -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Thanks for all the comments. I tried to resolve them in my updated PR, but a few questions may need further clarification or tweaks.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>                                   |
                                  v
-                 recv FIN/  +--------+    send FIN/
-                 recv RST   |        |    send RST
+              recv FIN/     +--------+     send FIN/
+         recv RST/send UNI  |        |  send RST/recv UNI

I clarified the text to indicate only the peer the stream is reserved for can send the first STREAM frame. In regards to RST, I added text on that as well, but I suspect it needs a state transition change as well, which I haven't fully thought through. Feel free to offer a suggestion.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  STREAM frames is permitted.  An endpoint MAY also send MAX_STREAM_DATA and
-RST_STREAM in this state.
+RST_STREAM in this state.  A stream immediately transitions to
+"half-closed (local)" if it is created with the UNI flag set.

I attempted to clarify the text largely as Jana suggested to clarify this is when one receives a STREAM frame with the UNI bit set.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2483,8 +2489,8 @@ after a frame bearing the FIN flag is sent.
 
 A stream is "half-closed (remote)" when the stream is no longer being used by
 the peer to send any data.  An endpoint will have either received all data that
-a peer has sent or will have received a RST_STREAM frame and discarded any
-received data.
+a peer has sent, will have sent an UNI flag on the stream, or will have

Possibly you or Buck have suggestions on how the HTTP mapping should change? Except for server push, I don't think it needs to change at all, and that change should be as minor as specifying that server push streams should be initiated with the unidirectional bit set to true.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2571,6 +2577,9 @@ the data limits set by its peer.  The cryptographic handshake stream, Stream 0,
 is exempt from the connection-level data limits established by MAX_DATA.  Stream
 0 is still subject to stream-level data limits and MAX_STREAM_DATA.
 
+If a STREAM frame is received for a stream that was previously specified as
+unidirectional, the connection MUST be closed with QUIC_INVALID_FRAME_DATA.

Yes, this was worded terribly, I attempted to fix it. Please tell me if it makes sense now.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2757,7 +2766,8 @@ is increased.
 The final offset is the count of the number of octets that are transmitted on a
 stream.  For a stream that is reset, the final offset is carried explicitly in
 the RST_STREAM frame.  Otherwise, the final offset is the offset of the end of
-the data carried in STREAM frame marked with a FIN flag.
+the data carried in STREAM frame marked with a FIN flag, or 0 in the case of
+received streams with the UNI flag set.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  These bits are parsed as follows:
 
-* The first two bits must be set to 11, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+* The first bit must be set to 1, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+
+* 'U' is the UNI bit, which is used to indicate this is a unidirectional
+  stream, and no stream frames may be sent in response.

Can we use a bit of the stream ID to indicate whether if a stream is uni-directional or not?

The state machine already relies on the least significant bit to indicate the direction of the stream, and using the next bit for indicating whether if a stream is uni-directional or not makes sense to me.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  These bits are parsed as follows:
 
-* The first two bits must be set to 11, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+* The first bit must be set to 1, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+
+* 'U' is the UNI bit, which is used to indicate this is a unidirectional
+  stream, and no stream frames may be sent in response.

One complication with using Stream ID is how it relates to stream limits. Using stream ID would probably imply that there be different limits for unidirectional streams vs bidirectional streams since a given application may well have an asymmetric stream distribution.

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I missed that point. Thank you. I think that it would be possible to monotonically increment 30 bits of the Stream ID while keeping the remaining two bits as flags indicating the originator of the stream and whether if its uni-directional. But I agree that it might not be worth doing. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/656#discussion_r124875703 ----==_mimepart_5955442d2e4f9_260683f945e77fc2c1133ce Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  These bits are parsed as follows:
 
-* The first two bits must be set to 11, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+* The first bit must be set to 1, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+
+* 'U' is the UNI bit, which is used to indicate this is a unidirectional
+  stream, and no stream frames may be sent in response.

@RyanAtGoogle Ah. I missed that point. Thank you.

I think that it would be possible to monotonically increment 30 bits of the Stream ID while keeping the remaining two bits as flags indicating the originator of the stream and whether if its uni-directional. But I agree that it might not be worth doing.

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@RyanAtGoogle commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  These bits are parsed as follows:
 
-* The first two bits must be set to 11, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+* The first bit must be set to 1, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+
+* 'U' is the UNI bit, which is used to indicate this is a unidirectional
+  stream, and no stream frames may be sent in response.

If we went this route, I think the best way to do it would be to think of the stream ID space as being divided into 4 distinct spaces, as opposed to the two we have today.

Today: client | server
Future: client uni | client bidi | server uni | server bidi

In this case, each one of those 4 spaces could have different steam limits (aka, max stream ID).

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  These bits are parsed as follows:
 
-* The first two bits must be set to 11, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+* The first bit must be set to 1, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+
+* 'U' is the UNI bit, which is used to indicate this is a unidirectional
+  stream, and no stream frames may be sent in response.

@kazuho Ryan's reasoning is the reason I didn't go with that approach, along with the fact that even though determining if a number is even or odd is easy, determining if it's mod 4 value is 1 or 3 is not as simple, so I thought it would increase the complexity of debugging.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  These bits are parsed as follows:
 
-* The first two bits must be set to 11, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+* The first bit must be set to 1, indicating that this is a STREAM frame.
+
+* 'U' is the UNI bit, which is used to indicate this is a unidirectional
+  stream, and no stream frames may be sent in response.

Breaking up endpoint's stream ID space into two parts (and managing max stream ID for each part separately) may not work too well, if you care about the max number of open streams and do not know what kind of streams the peer may like to open next.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2571,6 +2584,10 @@ the data limits set by its peer.  The cryptographic handshake stream, Stream 0,
 is exempt from the connection-level data limits established by MAX_DATA.  Stream
 0 is still subject to stream-level data limits and MAX_STREAM_DATA.
 
+If a STREAM frame is received and the UNI bit does not match the UNI bit of
+previous STREAM frames for that stream id, the connection MUST be closed with
+QUIC_INVALID_FRAME_DATA.

This addresses my previous comment.

nit: stream ID

However, I wonder if a stronger statement could be made. I interpret this new text to effectively say that "A stream MUST be unidirectional or bidirectional for its complete lifetime. An endpoint MUST send all STREAM frames for a stream ID with the UNI bit set to the same vale. An endpoint that receives a STREAM frame with a non-matching UNI bit MUST close the connection with QUIC_INVALID_FRAME_DATA".

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2955,7 +2973,7 @@ QUIC_INVALID_NEGOTIATED_VALUE (0x80000017):
 
 QUIC_DECOMPRESSION_FAILURE (0x80000018):
 : There was an error decompressing data.
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I am afraid that the specification of packet number decoding in the transport spec is a bit ambiguous.
The transport spec says:

The sender MUST use a packet number size able to represent more than twice as large a range than
the difference between the largest acknowledged packet and packet number being sent. A peer
receiving the packet will then correctly decode the packet number, unless the packet is delayed in
transit such that it arrives after many higher-numbered packets have been received. An endpoint
SHOULD use a large enough packet number encoding to allow the packet number to be recovered
even if the packet arrives after packets that are sent afterwards.

As a result, the size of the packet number encoding is at least one more than the base 2 logarithm of
the number of contiguous unacknowledged packet numbers, including the new packet.

For example, if an endpoint has received an acknowledgment for packet 0x6afa2f, sending a packet
with a number of 0x6b4264 requires a 16-bit or larger packet number encoding; whereas a 32-bit
packet number is needed to send a packet with a number of 0x6bc107.

So, let's suppose a node that is processing a packet. The packet header says that the packet number is encoded on 2 bytes, and the value is PN=0x8000. The highest received number is R=0x10000. Should the receiver expand PN to PN64=0x180000, or to PN64=0x8000?

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A packet number is decoded by finding the packet number value that= is closest to the next expected packet. The next expected packet is the hi= ghest received packet number plus one.

what I have done is interpreted that given 16 bits of recvd =3D 0x8000, = and expected =3D 0x10001 .. the packet is decoded as 0x8000 because 0x8000 = is closer to 0x10001 than the other choice 0x18000

nonetheless, I would much prefer packet numbers to be concrete 64 bit nu= mbers variably length encoded somehow.

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Can you clarify what the ambiguity is? 0x8000 is closer to 0x10001 than= 0x18000 is as Patrick said, so you choose 0x8000.

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Actually, in this case 0x18000 is closer by 2:
0x8000 = 32768
0x10001 = 65537
0x18000 = 98304

But Patrick's logical reasoning is still correct.

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Thanks for the explanation. Right now, I am just trying to write test ve= ctors, and I was little bit puzzled. So, to keep my example, the test vecto= r will be:
Highest =3D 0xFFFF
Expected =3D 0x10000
PN =3D 0x8000
Hypothesis 1: 0x18000, delta to expected =3D 0x8000
Hypothesis 2: 0x8000, delta to expected =3D 0x8000
Do something arbitrary.
(Prefer lowest value, probably.)

Of course, this algorithm breaks down in this particular case:
Highest =3D 0x10000
Expected =3D 0x10001
PN =3D 0x8000
Hypothesis 1: 0x18000, delta to expected =3D 0x7FFF
Hypothesis 2: 0x8000, delta to expected =3D 0x8001
Prefer Hypothesis 1, PN64 =3D 0x18000

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@siyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>                                   |
                                  v
-                 recv FIN/  +--------+    send FIN/
-                 recv RST   |        |    send RST
+              recv FIN/     +--------+     send FIN/
+         recv RST/send UNI  |        |  send RST/recv UNI

maybe uni bit on RST stream frame as well?
ya I think it needs an additional state after send UNI technically.

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