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I like ekr's proposed approach. The VN packet currently echoes pieces of= the client packet, which seems unnecessary with the "encrypted" VN. We cou= ld clean that up too if we want, but that should be a separate issue to dea= l with once this one is done..

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= ----==_mimepart_598115a28f5cb_2cf23f914d953c3810044b-- From nobody Tue Aug 1 17:15:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F5D128BC8 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2017 17:15:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.298 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.298 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZcUbGSRbutcU for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2017 17:14:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext5.iad.github.net [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C9FA1275FD for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2017 17:14:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2017 17:14:58 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1501632898; bh=lsk/qf5jaBX99P+VfB2sepb7qGIhzLkjOUxYhJYv3oA=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=fZiswMTzQdab5GZSVcRLUuRJ+/CcLIKQPa2Ovb6K7NSJ24y/1m35FohfWXwnhZRqz OWOddk22WQoC+26mBW48LXjXyNefUnHaiCq/gcrxKTssNMeuT+tsWalEtZAn2FMo43 oHdC8B4jfXAAi9q0d082anUBFH382bseQ7Xfsfrw= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Version validation fields can't move or change (#498) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59811982e77b6_6a0c3fda616d3c301030b8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2017 00:15:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59811982e77b6_6a0c3fda616d3c301030b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > @@ -1232,6 +1232,15 @@ client MUST terminate with a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR error code if version negotiation occurred but it would have selected a different version based on the value of the supported_versions list. +When an endpoint accepts multiple QUIC versions, it can potentially interpret +transport parameters as they are defined by any of the QUIC versions it +supports. Since the QUIC protocol relies on transport parameters for +authenticating the version, the position and the format of the version fields in +transport parameters MUST be consistent across all QUIC versions supported by +the client. If a version of QUIC needs to define a new format for transport +parameters, it MUST define and use a new TLS extension for transport parameters This isn't defined as a TLS extension in this document, but the format is specified as the layout for in the TransportParameters field in the quic_transport_parameters TLS extension (se line 1076 above.) I think this text probably belongs there, along with the description of the wire layout, instead of here with version negotiation. I think the text is fine, but I would move it up there. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/498#discussion_r130760246 ----==_mimepart_59811982e77b6_6a0c3fda616d3c301030b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1232,6 +1232,15 @@ client MUST terminate with a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR error code if
 version negotiation occurred but it would have selected a different version
 based on the value of the supported_versions list.
 
+When an endpoint accepts multiple QUIC versions, it can potentially interpret
+transport parameters as they are defined by any of the QUIC versions it
+supports. Since the QUIC protocol relies on transport parameters for
+authenticating the version, the position and the format of the version fields in
+transport parameters MUST be consistent across all QUIC versions supported by
+the client. If a version of QUIC needs to define a new format for transport
+parameters, it MUST define and use a new TLS extension for transport parameters

This isn't defined as a TLS extension in this document, but the format is specified as the layout for in the TransportParameters field in the quic_transport_parameters TLS extension (se line 1076 above.) I think this text probably belongs there, along with the description of the wire layout, instead of here with version negotiation. I think the text is fine, but I would move it up there.

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This largely LGTM. A few minor comments, and I'm happy to approve once they are addressed. > @@ -2527,6 +2549,32 @@ Reordering might cause frames to be received after closing, see {{state-hc-remote}}. +## Solicited State Transitions + +If an endpoint is no longer interested in the data being received, it MAY send a +STOP_SENDING frame on a stream in the "open" or "half-closed (local)" state to +request closure of the stream in the opposite direction. This typically Editorial nit: does it make sense to say "request", since it's more of a "demand"? I can't come up with better wording, but maybe "require"? Up to you. > @@ -275,11 +275,12 @@ fully closed. A server can send a complete response prior to the client sending an entire request if the response does not depend on any portion of the request that has not been sent and received. When this is true, a server MAY request that the -client abort transmission of a request without error by sending a RST_STREAM -with an error code of NO_ERROR after sending a complete response and closing its -stream. Clients MUST NOT discard responses as a result of receiving such a -RST_STREAM, though clients can always discard responses at their discretion for -other reasons. +client abort transmission of a request without error by triggering a QUIC +STOP_SENDING with error code HTTP_EARLY_RESPONSE, sending a complete response, +and cleanly closing its streams. Clients MUST NOT discard complete responses as +a result of receiving a STOP_SENDING, though clients can always discard HTTP clients won't receive a STOP_SENDING, since that's a QUIC frame (I realize that this was similar earlier with RST_STREAM)... perhaps something like "as a result of receiving a solicited stream reset"? I don't have better ideas. > @@ -275,11 +275,12 @@ fully closed. A server can send a complete response prior to the client sending an entire request if the response does not depend on any portion of the request that has not been sent and received. When this is true, a server MAY request that the -client abort transmission of a request without error by sending a RST_STREAM -with an error code of NO_ERROR after sending a complete response and closing its -stream. Clients MUST NOT discard responses as a result of receiving such a -RST_STREAM, though clients can always discard responses at their discretion for -other reasons. +client abort transmission of a request without error by triggering a QUIC +STOP_SENDING with error code HTTP_EARLY_RESPONSE, sending a complete response, +and cleanly closing its streams. Clients MUST NOT discard complete responses as +a result of receiving a STOP_SENDING, though clients can always discard +responses at their discretion for other reasons. Servers SHOULD NOT abort a Why a MUST NOT above with clients and SHOULD NOT here with server behavior? > + 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Stream ID (32) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Error Code (32) | ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +~~~ + +The fields are: + +Stream ID: +: The 32-bit Stream ID of the stream being ignored. + +Error Code: +: The reason the sender is ignoring the stream, or QUIC_NO_ERROR if not due to + an error. Isn't this always an application error code and never a QUIC one? If so, can we simply say this is for the application to specify and consume, as one of the app-specified error codes? I don't think you need a QUIC_NO_ERROR in this case. > the terminal STREAM frame that contains a FIN flag. -A stream becomes "closed" when the endpoint sends and receives acknowledgment of -a RST_STREAM frame. +A stream also becomes "closed" when the endpoint sends a RST_STREAM frame. This shouldn't have required an ack to be received in the first case. The stream state machine does not include retransmission logic -- that is considered to be a task for the reliabiity machinery "below". > @@ -2527,6 +2546,26 @@ Reordering might cause frames to be received after closing, see {{state-hc-remote}}. +## Solicited State Transitions + +If an endpoint is no longer interested in the data being received, it MAY send a +STOP_SENDING frame on a stream in the "open" or "half-closed (local)" state to +request closure of the stream in the opposite direction. This typically +indicates that the receiving application is no longer reading from the stream, +but is not a guarantee that incoming data will be ignored. + +STREAM frames received after sending STOP_SENDING are still counted toward the This is a requirement now, right? I don't think we need to specify enforcement though... that seems like a bit of an overkill. Besides a sender of STOP_SENDING will have to make assumptions about how the peer's sending code is structured to make an assessment of when to consider the peer in error. For instance, the peer may have buffered data that gets drained after the received STOP_SENDING is acked... surely not a good way to write that code, but there's no reason to require this not happen. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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This largely LGTM. A few minor comments, and I'm happy to approve once they are addressed.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2527,6 +2549,32 @@ Reordering might cause frames to be received after closing, see
 {{state-hc-remote}}.
 
 
+## Solicited State Transitions
+
+If an endpoint is no longer interested in the data being received, it MAY send a
+STOP_SENDING frame on a stream in the "open" or "half-closed (local)" state to
+request closure of the stream in the opposite direction.  This typically

Editorial nit: does it make sense to say "request", since it's more of a "demand"? I can't come up with better wording, but maybe "require"? Up to you.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -275,11 +275,12 @@ fully closed.
 A server can send a complete response prior to the client sending an entire
 request if the response does not depend on any portion of the request that has
 not been sent and received. When this is true, a server MAY request that the
-client abort transmission of a request without error by sending a RST_STREAM
-with an error code of NO_ERROR after sending a complete response and closing its
-stream. Clients MUST NOT discard responses as a result of receiving such a
-RST_STREAM, though clients can always discard responses at their discretion for
-other reasons.
+client abort transmission of a request without error by triggering a QUIC
+STOP_SENDING with error code HTTP_EARLY_RESPONSE, sending a complete response,
+and cleanly closing its streams. Clients MUST NOT discard complete responses as
+a result of receiving a STOP_SENDING, though clients can always discard

HTTP clients won't receive a STOP_SENDING, since that's a QUIC frame (I realize that this was similar earlier with RST_STREAM)... perhaps something like "as a result of receiving a solicited stream reset"? I don't have better ideas.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -275,11 +275,12 @@ fully closed.
 A server can send a complete response prior to the client sending an entire
 request if the response does not depend on any portion of the request that has
 not been sent and received. When this is true, a server MAY request that the
-client abort transmission of a request without error by sending a RST_STREAM
-with an error code of NO_ERROR after sending a complete response and closing its
-stream. Clients MUST NOT discard responses as a result of receiving such a
-RST_STREAM, though clients can always discard responses at their discretion for
-other reasons.
+client abort transmission of a request without error by triggering a QUIC
+STOP_SENDING with error code HTTP_EARLY_RESPONSE, sending a complete response,
+and cleanly closing its streams. Clients MUST NOT discard complete responses as
+a result of receiving a STOP_SENDING, though clients can always discard
+responses at their discretion for other reasons.  Servers SHOULD NOT abort a

Why a MUST NOT above with clients and SHOULD NOT here with server behavior?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> + 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                        Stream ID (32)                         |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|                        Error Code (32)                        |
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~
+
+The fields are:
+
+Stream ID:
+: The 32-bit Stream ID of the stream being ignored.
+
+Error Code:
+: The reason the sender is ignoring the stream, or QUIC_NO_ERROR if not due to
+  an error.

Isn't this always an application error code and never a QUIC one? If so, can we simply say this is for the application to specify and consume, as one of the app-specified error codes? I don't think you need a QUIC_NO_ERROR in this case.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  the terminal STREAM frame that contains a FIN flag.
 
-A stream becomes "closed" when the endpoint sends and receives acknowledgment of
-a RST_STREAM frame.
+A stream also becomes "closed" when the endpoint sends a RST_STREAM frame.

This shouldn't have required an ack to be received in the first case. The stream state machine does not include retransmission logic -- that is considered to be a task for the reliabiity machinery "below".

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2527,6 +2546,26 @@ Reordering might cause frames to be received after closing, see
 {{state-hc-remote}}.
 
 
+## Solicited State Transitions
+
+If an endpoint is no longer interested in the data being received, it MAY send a
+STOP_SENDING frame on a stream in the "open" or "half-closed (local)" state to
+request closure of the stream in the opposite direction.  This typically
+indicates that the receiving application is no longer reading from the stream,
+but is not a guarantee that incoming data will be ignored.
+
+STREAM frames received after sending STOP_SENDING are still counted toward the

This is a requirement now, right? I don't think we need to specify enforcement though... that seems like a bit of an overkill. Besides a sender of STOP_SENDING will have to make assumptions about how the peer's sending code is structured to make an assessment of when to consider the peer in error. For instance, the peer may have buffered data that gets drained after the received STOP_SENDING is acked... surely not a good way to write that code, but there's no reason to require this not happen.

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Merged #699.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with Jana, adding Server Stateless Retry to that bucket of things that we might re-examine after this. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I agree with Jana, adding Server Stateless Retry to that bucket of things that we might re-examine after this.

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----==_mimepart_598135a1c5f36_3aef3fa43b381c3c1063f-- From nobody Tue Aug 1 19:20:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B941315FF for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2017 19:20:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Sd36cgrzT8xY for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2017 19:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31365124B09 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2017 19:20:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=oAp7ptScQMJS/4cZnwkD//QymP8=; b=uqUZF4kipeHNftPO oWHCxwjreH3aK/ZSpIBHVryrkFlBfMA0GMXJqeQ4kYFCpKz5GvHACwVu4I13QKRW gsQW2ZMwgedJsHs5q121BhI2V7TUgakKzizeTxbi3zkudbZ+Ybx8TUCUsit1QMEJ brWsj2DdEPrclVRIyvOflEVeiOM= Received: by filter1126p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1126p1mdw1-27351-598136E3-19 2017-08-02 02:20:19.438464768 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0030p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id g8aQvIskTD2l2-5Tl2bJ3g for ; Wed, 02 Aug 2017 02:20:19.363 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2017 02:20:19 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Move GOAWAY to HTTP draft (#696) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_598136e3107a7_32653ff98bd15c304084e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0E+KaR2MvVBVSyfsuFywreBNDh2a68JBfAv5 0JeP8k+zARzZ7jaHTDNVElZQjR2JYjlTodLRo/NeX5C/Gc8JODrfcq4KLqo3oWOKOtblfwV1Mt8Gyj NszR1wSpfiQxDZbid1bR9lAf7Wx/j1QAay8eUD+dFlw77+t2fWX7d09Snx90Ml+pweSZ6UQIHeOobb k= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2017 02:20:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_598136e3107a7_32653ff98bd15c304084e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #696 via #697. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/696#event-1188758464 ----==_mimepart_598136e3107a7_32653ff98bd15c304084e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Merged #697.

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I guarantee more has happened since -04 than moving GOAWAY.

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59820d3170d1b_306f3fb2912e3c30378db"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2017 17:34:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59820d3170d1b_306f3fb2912e3c30378db Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/request_rst Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: b93d0506723ab4a38e781ff90b87cdd683d2b80e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b93d0506723ab4a38e781ff90b87cdd683d2b80e Author: Patrick McManus Date: 2017-06-01 (Thu, 01 Jun 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- remove langauge that says how many bits of the packet number are used in the introduction. It said at most 32, when 48 are used in ack formats. Commit: eab1b26681a67a5941455bb1652738a4d7fe0d63 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/eab1b26681a67a5941455bb1652738a4d7fe0d63 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-07-19 (Wed, 19 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Everything on one stream (beware HPACK) Commit: 404c5b8ee838042f7269574b608d1b15e2a25fd9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/404c5b8ee838042f7269574b608d1b15e2a25fd9 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-07-19 (Wed, 19 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Replace HPACK Sequence with zero dynamic table size Commit: b5a4d743a5729f1ec726a8a7e7c3964a278060c1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b5a4d743a5729f1ec726a8a7e7c3964a278060c1 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-07-20 (Thu, 20 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Pushes aren't sequential Commit: 2555cdd600d6ed34a5643bd1a5c61c48de0b76ab https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2555cdd600d6ed34a5643bd1a5c61c48de0b76ab Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-07-24 (Mon, 24 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'packet-num-len' of https://github.com/mcmanus/base-drafts into mcmanus-packet-num-len Commit: c5b760f4904d697db6ab9869519b268af58f5b09 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c5b760f4904d697db6ab9869519b268af58f5b09 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-07-24 (Mon, 24 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Rewrapped to 80 Commit: c2d5711e7a5baaf68237ea3e8ff970b98b850937 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c2d5711e7a5baaf68237ea3e8ff970b98b850937 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-07-24 (Mon, 24 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into one_stream Commit: 9c4eb1812751c51180ab8711dac2fb0b753ff2be https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9c4eb1812751c51180ab8711dac2fb0b753ff2be Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-07-24 (Mon, 24 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- SHOULD be sequential Commit: 5fadc569b533d85aa1b43616aef81416617e0810 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5fadc569b533d85aa1b43616aef81416617e0810 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-07-25 (Tue, 25 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #567 from mcmanus/packet-num-len remove langauge that says how many bits of the packet number are used Commit: e46ae111e6e25968a00082f448274af864bb81a2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e46ae111e6e25968a00082f448274af864bb81a2 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-07-25 (Tue, 25 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- How did no one catch this? Commit: 97b5d40a08336ab1cdcaf2cc6628baacd615f9f9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/97b5d40a08336ab1cdcaf2cc6628baacd615f9f9 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-07-26 (Wed, 26 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- utilize and reset Commit: ca0298cda36f834d86c65d2e1ac308714a8d31f7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ca0298cda36f834d86c65d2e1ac308714a8d31f7 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-07-26 (Wed, 26 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #692 from quicwg/one_stream HTTP requests on one stream Commit: e76053d20abaa9203396c93526c9b484ae9259a3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e76053d20abaa9203396c93526c9b484ae9259a3 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-07-26 (Wed, 26 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Expand changelog entry Commit: 7db186950f76a9d05ddc7b6d3f88f319cdcd4a8a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7db186950f76a9d05ddc7b6d3f88f319cdcd4a8a Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-07-26 (Wed, 26 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Separate IANA registries (#376) * Separate IANA registries * Change log for IANA split * Principles and shared experts * Martin's feedback Commit: f91cc61ae05cdceaec06a0675de7e7afaf97b91a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f91cc61ae05cdceaec06a0675de7e7afaf97b91a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-07-27 (Thu, 27 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Make description of the empty STREAM frame clearer Commit: 035573cff2e813bbb61a1451c767f42110fbffc0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/035573cff2e813bbb61a1451c767f42110fbffc0 Author: EKR Date: 2017-07-27 (Thu, 27 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Specify RST-like behavior for CONNECTION_CLOSE. Fixes #330, #328 Commit: 8bc7f1ee75de7ef639779c713c2bc8afc16063cd https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8bc7f1ee75de7ef639779c713c2bc8afc16063cd Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-07-27 (Thu, 27 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Register DATA in the registry Commit: 76865016f73c26cae051c7edaf23ba87ae9aa149 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/76865016f73c26cae051c7edaf23ba87ae9aa149 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-07-27 (Thu, 27 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- ENABLE_PUSH instead of DISABLE_PUSH to match HTTP/2 (#694) Commit: 305585a06e51534620f054722a9b18f14b0d4c47 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/305585a06e51534620f054722a9b18f14b0d4c47 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-07-28 (Fri, 28 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Don't allow reprioritization of stream 0 (#703) Commit: d38552f0bb63617557dce9db4c694bf3979323a8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d38552f0bb63617557dce9db4c694bf3979323a8 Author: EKR Date: 2017-07-28 (Fri, 28 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Provide stronger guidance Commit: ee069a3e771aa2a8aac387438a3f93fb25b77a94 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ee069a3e771aa2a8aac387438a3f93fb25b77a94 Author: EKR Date: 2017-07-28 (Fri, 28 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Wording Commit: ac9a77afa7cbdfbe481da9540344971e177bbc93 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ac9a77afa7cbdfbe481da9540344971e177bbc93 Author: EKR Date: 2017-07-28 (Fri, 28 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reformat Commit: 72db13affca9f300ab5dca568453c82a06e87bb0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/72db13affca9f300ab5dca568453c82a06e87bb0 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2017-07-28 (Fri, 28 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #705 from ekr/connection_close Specify RST-like behavior for CONNECTION_CLOSE. Fixes #330, #328 Commit: 4a42ce235a0f8298aeec43c822fd8262131c5fe2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4a42ce235a0f8298aeec43c822fd8262131c5fe2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-07-31 (Mon, 31 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Make reset simpler and invisible More extensive rationale for this design will be provided at the interim. Commit: 0a2465d36b2528e54d11d2b4a3dcec7b4dff213c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0a2465d36b2528e54d11d2b4a3dcec7b4dff213c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-07-31 (Mon, 31 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove FIPS-180 from the references Commit: 99a66e0bc4b5ee4d9ab3c521c4afabffde0324cd https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/99a66e0bc4b5ee4d9ab3c521c4afabffde0324cd Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-07-31 (Mon, 31 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Editorial tweaks Commit: 35d8f8b092fda48e0e933ac8e4a31ae3e88a2b3a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/35d8f8b092fda48e0e933ac8e4a31ae3e88a2b3a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-07-31 (Mon, 31 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- token, not secret, and be consistent Commit: 8de5dbde7584ead6dd3c060c7e03154ed78162f5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8de5dbde7584ead6dd3c060c7e03154ed78162f5 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-07-31 (Mon, 31 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add an updated token to NEW_CONNECTION_ID Commit: 3442676352804c6110fce8caa8a0cfe058e66ea3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3442676352804c6110fce8caa8a0cfe058e66ea3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-07-31 (Mon, 31 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Some minor editorial improvements Commit: e6221fcc84ecdd48c4ffd35e293373e0a41f6bbb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e6221fcc84ecdd48c4ffd35e293373e0a41f6bbb Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-07-31 (Mon, 31 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Difficult to guess is important enough to say explicitly. Commit: d3ec3312a0e2e3269ada359d83c743fdf6f3921e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d3ec3312a0e2e3269ada359d83c743fdf6f3921e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-07-31 (Mon, 31 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Improve grammar a little Commit: b3d8a3cef2c9023c5d282bfab928a30df9a68c6d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b3d8a3cef2c9023c5d282bfab928a30df9a68c6d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-07-31 (Mon, 31 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- stateless reset SHOULD use the short header Commit: fbe42500bb997fb77dad268149517348025819a0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fbe42500bb997fb77dad268149517348025819a0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-07-31 (Mon, 31 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- octets, not packets Commit: a02d939d83b3970f24183f0b91ca15744ee2a2b5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a02d939d83b3970f24183f0b91ca15744ee2a2b5 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-01 (Tue, 01 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #574 from quicwg/invisible_reset Make reset simpler and invisible Commit: dcd427d3c5f77c39b73e52d32ce67d3ca8ac269a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dcd427d3c5f77c39b73e52d32ce67d3ca8ac269a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-02 (Wed, 02 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #699 from quicwg/empty-fin Make description of the empty STREAM frame clearer Commit: 6dc5578ed248fe661a528dcd2b6fbe119185411b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6dc5578ed248fe661a528dcd2b6fbe119185411b Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-08-01 (Tue, 01 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Move GOAWAY from transport to HTTP (#697) * Moved GOAWAY from transport to HTTP * Fix bad wrapping * GOAWAY is server-only; 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This contains the + stream ID of a request stream when the PUSH_DEPENDENT flag is clear, or a + Push ID when the PUSH_DEPENDENT flag is set. A request stream ID of 0 + indicates a dependency on the root stream. For details of dependencies, + see {{priority}} and {!RFC7540}}, Section 5.3. Unbalanced braces -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/701#pullrequestreview-53945691 ----==_mimepart_59824b805d919_49fe3f90d3827c3054178 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
   Stream Dependency:
-  : A 32-bit stream identifier for the request stream that this stream depends
-    on (see {{priority}} and {{!RFC7540}}, Section 5.3).
+  : A 32-bit stream identifier for a dependent request.  This contains the
+    stream ID of a request stream when the PUSH_DEPENDENT flag is clear, or a
+    Push ID when the PUSH_DEPENDENT flag is set.  A request stream ID of 0
+    indicates a dependency on the root stream. For details of dependencies,
+    see {{priority}} and {!RFC7540}}, Section 5.3.

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Add one to the value to obtain a weight between 1 and 256. +A PRIORITY frame identifies a request to priotize, and a request upon which that +request is dependent. A request is identified by the stream ID of a request +when the corresponding PUSH_PRIORITIZED or PUSH_DEPENDENT flag is not set. +Setting the PUSH or PUSH_DEPENDENT flag causes the frame to identify a +PUSH_PROMISE using a Push ID (see {{frame-push-promise}} for details). + +A PRIORITY frame MAY identify no request in the Prioritized Request field by +using a stream ID of 0; as in {{!RFC7540}}, this makes the request dependent on +the root of the dependency tree. "Prioritized Request" is the request whose priority is being modified. Per the following paragraph, this cannot be zero (or one). I think you can delete this paragraph / merge it with the following one. > The length of a PRIORITY frame is 9 octets. A PRIORITY frame with any other length MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_PRIORITY. +### CANCEL_PUSH {#frame-cancel-push} + +The CANCEL_PUSH frame (type=0x3) is used to request cancellation of server push +prior to the push stream being created. The CANCEL_REQUEST frame identifies a CANCEL_REQUEST => CANCEL_PUSH -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/701#pullrequestreview-53946202 ----==_mimepart_59824c981f99f_b81e3fc096d29c2c777fd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
   Weight:
   : An unsigned 8-bit integer representing a priority weight for the stream (see
     {{!RFC7540}}, Section 5.3). Add one to the value to obtain a weight between
     1 and 256.
 
+A PRIORITY frame identifies a request to priotize, and a request upon which that
+request is dependent.  A request is identified by the stream ID of a request
+when the corresponding PUSH_PRIORITIZED or PUSH_DEPENDENT flag is not set.
+Setting the PUSH or PUSH_DEPENDENT flag causes the frame to identify a
+PUSH_PROMISE using a Push ID (see {{frame-push-promise}} for details).
+
+A PRIORITY frame MAY identify no request in the Prioritized Request field by
+using a stream ID of 0; as in {{!RFC7540}}, this makes the request dependent on
+the root of the dependency tree.

"Prioritized Request" is the request whose priority is being modified. Per the following paragraph, this cannot be zero (or one). I think you can delete this paragraph / merge it with the following one.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  The length of a PRIORITY frame is 9 octets.  A PRIORITY frame with any other
 length MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_PRIORITY.
 
 
+### CANCEL_PUSH {#frame-cancel-push}
+
+The CANCEL_PUSH frame (type=0x3) is used to request cancellation of server push
+prior to the push stream being created.  The CANCEL_REQUEST frame identifies a

CANCEL_REQUEST => CANCEL_PUSH

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The risk of an encrypted VN packet is that it moves the specifics of enc= rypting at least that packet into the "can't change between versions" realm= . Do we want to codify something that requires keeping old moldy crypto ar= ound just to express what QUIC versions you support that no longer use that= crypto?

Whatever we do, Version Negotiation winds up being a one-off -- if we're= consistent now, then it's a one-off when we eventually change. If we don'= t encrypt, it's a one-off from the start, which might be more honest. Thou= gh I agree the protection against off-path attackers is also interesting.

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= ----==_mimepart_59824f06b2e54_3d663fec5dc07c34239e7-- From nobody Wed Aug 2 15:56:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D71D129B40 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 15:56:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.018 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.018 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id exiomuNBkQMm for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 15:56:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B03C129B35 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 15:56:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2017 15:56:42 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1501714602; bh=F3jb1cgGA3MkZ6ju3GxxEAorq2AlPpQJbVZo7z6SaBg=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=D/c02d3NYTLX79Z2kcAOKrgqemhhu90XwYmiE1bCp3QTrTdC5K1R3YznS1KN4qznG 6FtiHEwNQr1+IkiIjNUm/hmYcT9oNUn6pmNIXPsII3LWAYeEib0IjtIPXpP7mpjjI1 hq4VGQljUdRPIEagF8PyLxI2Wfunj9MaG8FCc65c= From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Specify AEAD-based protection of cleartext packets (#693) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_598258aa5647b_72e53ffd63fffc30934ed"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2017 22:56:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_598258aa5647b_72e53ffd63fffc30934ed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Mike Bishop wrote: > The risk of an encrypted VN packet is that it moves the specifics of > encrypting at least that packet into the "can't change between versions= " > realm. Do we want to codify something that requires keeping old moldy > crypto around just to express what QUIC versions you support that no lo= nger > use that crypto? > =E2=80=8BI completely agree with this=E2=80=8B point and think that a min= imal VN packet format is probably best. -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/693#issuecomment-319821388= ----==_mimepart_598258aa5647b_72e53ffd63fffc30934ed Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Mike Bishop <notifications@github.com&= gt;
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> The risk of an encrypted VN packet is that it moves the specifics of=
> encrypting at least that packet into the "can't change betw= een versions"
> realm. Do we want to codify something that requires keeping old mold= y
> crypto around just to express what QUIC versions you support that no= longer
> use that crypto?
>
=E2=80=8BI completely agree with this=E2=80=8B point and think that a min= imal VN packet
format is probably best.

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Mike, Ryan: Are you suggesting that we treat VN as a special snowflake= (which it undoubtedly is) and leave it unencrypted with an FNV-128a hash= ? We have nominal protection against off-path attackers already with a co= nnection ID echo, so that's covered without the encryption.

I am sympathetic to the idea of not wanting to have old crypto sitting= around just to handle VN packets. I'd be happy to treat VN packets as sp= ecial, and leave them unencrypted. I don't think I care enough about bit = flips with the VN packet to need an FNV hash for this alone... we'll stil= l have the (weak) UDP checksum to cover that.

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On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 4:07 PM, janaiyengar <notifications@github.com>= ;
wrote:

> Mike, Ryan: Are you suggesting that we treat VN as a special snowflake=
> (which it undoubtedly is) and leave it unencrypted with an FNV-128a ha= sh?
> We have nominal protection against off-path attackers already with a > connection ID echo, so that's covered without the encryption.
>
> I am sympathetic to the idea of not wanting to have old crypto sitting=
> around just to handle VN packets. I'd be happy to treat VN packets= as
> special, and leave them unencrypted. I don't think I care enough a= bout bit
> flips with the VN packet to need an FNV hash for this alone... we'= ll still
> have the (weak) UDP checksum to cover that.
>
> =E2=80=94
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----==_mimepart_59825fa0a2576_3ba33f92bba75c3c17874d-- From nobody Wed Aug 2 16:27:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165E1131C89 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 16:27:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.474 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.474 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1N9Vk62VZuSP for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 16:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38DF41241FC for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 16:27:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=PbW59/pnfBsPyuSkccp6apZjBrg=; b=H4eumVWKeBm1LB74 3PFGa4/Z2ukfMHnUVLdMukH4zxKZ1pWXWq37oVRVnmrUPe7EXRkc+nquCZAQqIJk 8ODOG7+e5F24fgOipbIU1ndfsbchWrA7fXwuzHnXy40TZmBDy+MGmqHX49VvG0vr s9Jh3wf2roC6dXa4Q39n67r02cI= Received: by filter1184p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1184p1mdw1-504-59825FCE-2E 2017-08-02 23:27:10.328420634 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0039p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id UXxDaTgaTYCQUkrOlLQODA for ; Wed, 02 Aug 2017 23:27:10.255 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2017 23:27:10 +0000 (UTC) From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Specify AEAD-based protection of cleartext packets (#693) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59825fce1bd3_46963fcc2a5f3c3844835"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1lVAd1W5ykZu5Kp3XhkkRRfs0Q94NgbmniTp kfv87Mt/Rbt7s83vix0VAKVII+ZFaZTqfH8HWPnobTTJ9qa3M8z8GbYV4XONN/OHSF9RWLmmxGz5LP +ZvIz+zpvzXhPTQrVzxiVWSKhy9W2oMszTSs4f7UfxsQo6SRA5/jxfgU64/g52JiwNCmAWPu/uo/P5 A= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2017 23:27:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59825fce1bd3_46963fcc2a5f3c3844835 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm also happy with VN having no encryption and no fnv-128 hash and being a special snowflake. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/693#issuecomment-319826085 ----==_mimepart_59825fce1bd3_46963fcc2a5f3c3844835 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm also happy with VN having no encryption and no fnv-128 hash and being a special snowflake.

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Likewise, no encryption and no hash. There are exactly two packet types that are version-independent, which makes them both inherently special snowflakes.

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The other being stateless(or connection) reset?

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Yep.

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----==_mimepart_5982663e30e83_498a3ffb522d1c38452f4-- From nobody Wed Aug 2 17:22:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5EA1275FD for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 17:22:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.597 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.597 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PTPa93HsyYoc for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 17:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67B33124B0A for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2017 17:22:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=6qBIj5tZyWNHvpaBCoRJ+Tb8lCE=; b=xUJvoTe4kXapr9JF 0efYUHwjWFLkCvr9hW1OrzADA+1rhGeb5Pkw/6G9vf7gCDvmXSeksuKvZoPxCrlv VObRHqcl0HlJQCciMnHgiUQwXaQCzhdeoe2ymBRBD6ETfOIQzm0aTrpW9RwN6kVe 0eaWpX2nR+pRzaZ2K5rxYE4rnig= Received: by filter0565p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0565p1mdw1-19269-59826C99-11 2017-08-03 00:21:45.099205369 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 1lE8aQMDTGKBiFP5iV1p9Q for ; Thu, 03 Aug 2017 00:21:45.114 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2017 00:21:45 +0000 (UTC) From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Specify AEAD-based protection of cleartext packets (#693) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59826c994658_7be93f90ae959c2c96435"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0hk2TRZRWqyijmdmbI9aQgDJOgj/a2lDgVMf RnkmwVbEc7lbZOFjU8c7yOw0B0MiRGw3djHsfx0q99HvbSDJWcJo+SxKs9uk51TEF3ohI+caim8URi W8JxJFF48bWxCyLduR9qI7zOD5wnAWafawJ5J1S6RJmB3+pOhsqYoo05+EXrOyAUE4Grssk36EynFL c= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2017 00:22:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59826c994658_7be93f90ae959c2c96435 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since everybody agrees, let's add my vote: no FNV, no encryption for VN. -- Christian Huitema=20 > On Aug 2, 2017, at 4:54 PM, Mike Bishop wrote: >=20 > Yep. >=20 > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you were mentioned. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread. >=20 --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/693#issuecomment-319833634= ----==_mimepart_59826c994658_7be93f90ae959c2c96435 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since everybody agrees, let's add my vote: no FNV, no encryption for VN= .

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1232,6 +1232,15 @@ client MUST terminate with a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR error code if
 version negotiation occurred but it would have selected a different version
 based on the value of the supported_versions list.
 
+When an endpoint accepts multiple QUIC versions, it can potentially interpret
+transport parameters as they are defined by any of the QUIC versions it
+supports. Since the QUIC protocol relies on transport parameters for
+authenticating the version, the position and the format of the version fields in
+transport parameters MUST be consistent across all QUIC versions supported by
+the client. If a version of QUIC needs to define a new format for transport
+parameters, it MUST define and use a new TLS extension for transport parameters

This is still the right place for the text, because it is talking specifically about version downgrade and how those are detected. Ian's comment is easy to address.

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> >
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We still need proof that the VN packet didn't come from off-path. How should we do that? We currently echo the header, is that still the right answer?

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That was my thinking. The protection is as good as the packet encrypted with the connection ID, since the information required to generate the VN is the same in both cases.

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----==_mimepart_5983435ee5dd7_4ea43fa97c7d9c3010719b-- From nobody Thu Aug 3 08:52:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FCA1132509 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2017 08:52:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.801 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id scXDbG8pBZNB for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2017 08:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7EBF8132506 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2017 08:52:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=rZm7zIh1SUhffEcRonw8VbbHGRs=; b=CDRMhJEJH+IizPm9 KAh7zf4I0dft0K8wOvwZ/uiU9BBQHtk6S9KFuTOT1XskRr0uoqGGt+RDMXtCV/g3 w8Q5UY96UVu7zggG18RA2OJ6alASQOkHZmv8N2yw/dZSJamr7Y5HXIbDfpfLF5UC bHUc0uFgIepY/fL76WHDhH54iY0= Received: by filter0917p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0917p1mdw1-31865-598346C7-20 2017-08-03 15:52:39.519548975 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 7qIZQUbNRemABk7iLBLaYQ for ; Thu, 03 Aug 2017 15:52:39.475 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2017 15:52:39 +0000 (UTC) From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Specify AEAD-based protection of cleartext packets (#693) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_598346c750d0a_6f003fe558953c3816005a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3tNVdNpT1wSeS7g5jL37V5EYUw+rGtNhRmfo XIBERR4bisvlWaVrA0R3yg5Q4At65Di6PojIInZkbWhKh2sgdV8npC1/kfONIuuS/rO8LcEJPAcPzT q+fAWByU3MEKYW4jGXNDMy6+2xhfaF3Yly77xVi5zouOc2+33ACTY0xG6A== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2017 15:52:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_598346c750d0a_6f003fe558953c3816005a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But now this is the only thing with some special snowflake anti-injection. I don't see how that makes things better. On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 7:57 PM, Ryan Hamilton wrote: > Agreed. Echoing the connection id seems to provide sufficient entropy to > defend against off-path attackers. > > On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 7:34 PM, janaiyengar > wrote: > > > That was my thinking. The protection is as good as the packet encrypted > > with the connection ID, since the information required to generate the = VN > > is the same in both cases. > > > > =E2=80=94 > > You are receiving this because you commented. > > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > > >, > > or mute the thread > > 8KHUakdZ49tqGUtdBhlPk4ks5sUTG-gaJpZM4OfFhh> > > > . > > > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you were mentioned. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/693#issuecomment-320010951= ----==_mimepart_598346c750d0a_6f003fe558953c3816005a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But now this is the only thing with some special snowflake anti-injection.<= br> I don't see how that makes things better.



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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

One nit.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> -form a dependency tree. The structure of the dependency tree changes as PRIORITY
-frames add, remove, or change the dependency links between streams.
+this priority scheme, a given request can be designated as dependent upon
+another request, which expresses the preference that the latter stream (the
+"parent" request) be allocated resources before the former stream (the
+"dependent" request). Taken together, the dependencies across all requests in a
+connection form a dependency tree. The structure of the dependency tree changes
+as PRIORITY frames add, remove, or change the dependency links between requests.
+
+HTTP/2 defines its priorities in terms of streams whereas HTTP over QUIC
+identifies requests.  The PRIORITY frame {{frame-priority}} identifies a request
+either by identifying the stream that carries a request or by using a Push ID
+({{frame-push-promise}}).  Other than the means of identifying requests, the
+prioritization system is identical to that in HTTP/2.
+
+Only a client can prioritize requests.  A server MUST NOT send a PRIORITY frame.

Not to be pedantic, but a server can definitely prioritize requests, even if it's not via the PRIORITY frame. How about saying "Only the client can SEND a PRIORITY frame."

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Thu, 03 Aug 2017 23:39:46 -0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2017 16:39:45 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5983b44117157_eac3f920fe31c381216af@hookshot-fe6-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] b1c79f: First pass at REQUEST_RST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5983b44116889_eac3f920fe31c3812154b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2017 23:39:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5983b44116889_eac3f920fe31c3812154b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: b1c79fbd0685c05bc1c6687e07103692d637fcf9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b1c79fbd0685c05bc1c6687e07103692d637fcf9 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-02-23 (Thu, 23 Feb 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- First pass at REQUEST_RST Commit: 4c96bd2a53ea421cffa51e2919f09b146edfdf86 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4c96bd2a53ea421cffa51e2919f09b146edfdf86 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-02-23 (Thu, 23 Feb 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Use REQUEST_RST in HTTP/QUIC Commit: 7f665266b611dd166187cbf819e1243233312fa3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7f665266b611dd166187cbf819e1243233312fa3 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-02-23 (Thu, 23 Feb 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Martin's feedback on REQUEST_RST Commit: b2dc2c2bb0c84fed5f79e5f893db8c3948e517d2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b2dc2c2bb0c84fed5f79e5f893db8c3948e517d2 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-02-23 (Thu, 23 Feb 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Wrong word form Commit: dd17d054e308fb2940bc7027c1e613f87657dfe0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dd17d054e308fb2940bc7027c1e613f87657dfe0 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-02-23 (Thu, 23 Feb 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix some merge stuff Commit: c9d0d8fe5c53e0f7672ab67f8ba47e8ef3e8eb7a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c9d0d8fe5c53e0f7672ab67f8ba47e8ef3e8eb7a Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Servers shouldn't freak out either Commit: 7f0a1342e4756b82bc21f3ba8139b6057fff6598 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7f0a1342e4756b82bc21f3ba8139b6057fff6598 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Rename to DISINTEREST Commit: 001c274f95c10fa225a75761f38f8d59bd24b7db https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/001c274f95c10fa225a75761f38f8d59bd24b7db Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Suggest error code, loosen ordering Commit: d4f77df3f9c2c78726b9599bd6b34b65adc9cdeb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d4f77df3f9c2c78726b9599bd6b34b65adc9cdeb Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-03-07 (Tue, 07 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- an => a Commit: dccd3f35ee751937b06f0ea48c8f1e342e79bab6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dccd3f35ee751937b06f0ea48c8f1e342e79bab6 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M CONTRIBUTING.md M Makefile M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into request_rst Commit: 4ce57c568ce9abc7af842ff8f13b5c114944cee2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4ce57c568ce9abc7af842ff8f13b5c114944cee2 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-03-08 (Wed, 08 Mar 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Without selecting? 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----------- Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into request_rst Commit: 35dfd023a707c974c4d90c51a17211bfceb8dcc7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/35dfd023a707c974c4d90c51a17211bfceb8dcc7 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-07-27 (Thu, 27 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Bring back the error code Commit: e0be281ea21903edc16675f958a1e33b170b8000 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e0be281ea21903edc16675f958a1e33b170b8000 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-07-27 (Thu, 27 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- REQUEST_RST -> DISINTEREST -> STOP_SENDING Commit: e91b42885baa4aea55d8bd028a31d65cd9ba1421 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e91b42885baa4aea55d8bd028a31d65cd9ba1421 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-07-27 (Thu, 27 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- DISINTEREST->STOP_SENDING in HTTP doc Commit: 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[quicwg/base-drafts] Push ID (#701) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5983bcbd8bcaf_e813fe54f483c347787c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2017 00:16:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5983bcbd8bcaf_e813fe54f483c347787c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. A bunch of editorial comments, and one material one. 1. I think we need to be able to handle potential reordering between PUSH_PROMISE and CANCEL_PUSH. 2. I don't think it makes sesne to say "push response" and "server push request", so I propose "promised resource". 3. There's awkward phrasing around Prioritized Request and Dependent Request in text surrounding the PRIORITY frame. I propose adding "ID" to these field names to make the text less awkward. > -form a dependency tree. The structure of the dependency tree changes as PRIORITY -frames add, remove, or change the dependency links between streams. +this priority scheme, a given request can be designated as dependent upon +another request, which expresses the preference that the latter stream (the +"parent" request) be allocated resources before the former stream (the +"dependent" request). Taken together, the dependencies across all requests in a +connection form a dependency tree. The structure of the dependency tree changes +as PRIORITY frames add, remove, or change the dependency links between requests. + +HTTP/2 defines its priorities in terms of streams whereas HTTP over QUIC +identifies requests. The PRIORITY frame {{frame-priority}} identifies a request +either by identifying the stream that carries a request or by using a Push ID +({{frame-push-promise}}). Other than the means of identifying requests, the +prioritization system is identical to that in HTTP/2. + +Only a client can prioritize requests. A server MUST NOT send a PRIORITY frame. +1. I think it's more precise to say PRIORITY frame. FWIW, I think it's a good idea that we're adding this requirement to avoid ambiguity and further down below, to avoid having to deal with reordering between PUSH_PROMISE and PRIORITY frames from server to client. > @@ -402,15 +431,25 @@ without EHB set, followed by a HEADERS frame with EHB set. ### PRIORITY {#frame-priority} The PRIORITY (type=0x02) frame specifies the sender-advised priority of a stream -and is substantially different from {{!RFC7540}}. In order to support ordering, -it MUST be sent only on the control stream. The format has been modified to -accommodate not being sent on-stream and the larger stream ID space of QUIC. +and is substantially different in format from {{!RFC7540}}. In order to ensure nit: remove "substantially" > Weight: : An unsigned 8-bit integer representing a priority weight for the stream (see {{!RFC7540}}, Section 5.3). Add one to the value to obtain a weight between 1 and 256. -A PRIORITY frame MAY identify a dependent stream with a stream ID of 0; as in +A PRIORITY frame identifies a request to priotize, and a request upon which that +request is dependent. A request is identified by the stream ID of a request +when the corresponding PUSH_PRIORITIZED or PUSH_DEPENDENT flag is not set. +Setting the PUSH or PUSH_DEPENDENT flag causes the frame to identify a +PUSH_PROMISE using a Push ID (see {{frame-push-promise}} for details). I don't think it identifies the PUSH_PROMISE, but the promised resource, right? > Weight: : An unsigned 8-bit integer representing a priority weight for the stream (see {{!RFC7540}}, Section 5.3). Add one to the value to obtain a weight between 1 and 256. -A PRIORITY frame MAY identify a dependent stream with a stream ID of 0; as in +A PRIORITY frame identifies a request to priotize, and a request upon which that +request is dependent. A request is identified by the stream ID of a request +when the corresponding PUSH_PRIORITIZED or PUSH_DEPENDENT flag is not set. I'm not sure I understand this sentence. Can you rephrase? Specifically "A request is identified by the stream ID of a request" is really awkward. Perhaps saying "prioritized request" and "dependent request" might help? I believe what you're trying to say is: "A prioritized request is identified by its stream ID when the corresponding PRIORITY frame does not have PUSH_PRIORITIZED or PUSH_DEPENDENT flags set. Setting these flags causes the PRIORITY frame to identify a pushed resource using a Push ID (see {{frame-push-promise}} for details)." WDYT? > @@ -430,29 +469,79 @@ The flags defined are: The PRIORITY frame payload has the following fields: - Prioritized Stream: - : A 32-bit stream identifier for the request stream whose priority is being - updated. + Prioritized Request: + : A 32-bit identifier for a request. This contains the stream ID of a request + stream when the PUSH_PRIORITIZED flag is clear, or a Push ID when the + PUSH_PRIORITIZED flag is set. Stream Dependency: This should be Dependent Request. "Stream Dependency" is not a field in the frame. > Weight: : An unsigned 8-bit integer representing a priority weight for the stream (see {{!RFC7540}}, Section 5.3). Add one to the value to obtain a weight between 1 and 256. -A PRIORITY frame MAY identify a dependent stream with a stream ID of 0; as in +A PRIORITY frame identifies a request to priotize, and a request upon which that +request is dependent. A request is identified by the stream ID of a request +when the corresponding PUSH_PRIORITIZED or PUSH_DEPENDENT flag is not set. +Setting the PUSH or PUSH_DEPENDENT flag causes the frame to identify a +PUSH_PROMISE using a Push ID (see {{frame-push-promise}} for details). + +A PRIORITY frame MAY identify a Stream Dependency with a stream ID of 0; as in Suggestion: "A PRIORITY frame MAY identify a Dependent Request ID of 0; ...". I'd prefer this because the value is not always stream ID. > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ - | Dependent Stream (32) | + | Dependent Request (32) | I'll propose that you add ID to both these fields. (Prioritized Request ID and Dependent Request ID). It makes references to these identifiers in the text easier to write. > {{!RFC7540}}, this makes the request dependent on the root of the dependency -tree. Stream ID 0 and stream ID 1 cannot be reprioritized; an attempt to -reprioritize these stream MUST be treated as a connection error of type +tree. + +Stream ID 0 and stream ID 1 cannot be reprioritized. A Prioritized Request that +identifies Stream 0 or 1 MUST be treated as a connection error of type ditto -- "A Prioritized Request ID of 0 or 1" > The length of a PRIORITY frame is 9 octets. A PRIORITY frame with any other length MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_PRIORITY. +### CANCEL_PUSH {#frame-cancel-push} + +The CANCEL_PUSH frame (type=0x3) is used to request cancellation of server push +prior to the push stream being created. The CANCEL_PUSH frame identifies a +server push request by Push ID (see {{frame-push-promise}}). how about "promised resource" instead of "server push request"? > The length of a PRIORITY frame is 9 octets. A PRIORITY frame with any other length MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_PRIORITY. +### CANCEL_PUSH {#frame-cancel-push} + +The CANCEL_PUSH frame (type=0x3) is used to request cancellation of server push +prior to the push stream being created. The CANCEL_PUSH frame identifies a +server push request by Push ID (see {{frame-push-promise}}). + +When a server receives this frame, it aborts sending the response for the +identified server push. If the server has not yet started to send the server similarly, "sending the promised resource" > +sending CANCEL_PUSH has no effect on the state of the push stream. A QUIC +RST_STREAM frame SHOULD be used instead to cancel transmission of the server +push response. + +A CANCEL_PUSH frame is sent on the control stream. Sending a CANCEL_PUSH frame +on a stream other than the control stream MUST be treated as a stream error of +type HTTP_WRONG_STREAM. + +The CANCEL_PUSH frame has no defined flags. + +The CANCEL_PUSH frame carries a 32-bit Push ID that identifies the server push +that is being cancelled (see {{frame-push-promise}}). + +A server MUST treat a CANCEL_PUSH frame payload that is other than 4 octets in +length, or a CANCEL_PUSH frame that identifies an unknown Push ID as a +connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_CANCEL_PUSH. A CANCEL_PUSH from a server could be reordered with a PUSH_PROMISE... I'm not sure what to do about this but I wanted to raise it. > @@ -583,12 +673,34 @@ server to client, as in HTTP/2. It defines no flags. The payload consists of: - Promised Stream ID: - : A 32-bit Stream ID indicating the QUIC stream on which the response will be - sent +Push ID: +: A 32-bit identifier for the server push request. A push ID is used in push It really sounds odd to say "server push request". It's not a request... how about "promised resource"? > - Payload: - : HPACK-compressed request headers for the promised response. +A server MAY use the same Push ID in multiple PUSH_PROMISE frames. This allows +the server to use the same server push in response to multiple concurrent +requests. Referencing the same server push ensures that a PUSH_PROMISE can be "Referencing the same promised resource" > - Payload: - : HPACK-compressed request headers for the promised response. +A server MAY use the same Push ID in multiple PUSH_PROMISE frames. This allows +the server to use the same server push in response to multiple concurrent +requests. Referencing the same server push ensures that a PUSH_PROMISE can be +made in relation to every response in which server push might be needed without +causing duplicating pushes. "causing duplicating pushes" --> "duplicating pushes" > +A server MAY use the same Push ID in multiple PUSH_PROMISE frames. This allows +the server to use the same server push in response to multiple concurrent +requests. Referencing the same server push ensures that a PUSH_PROMISE can be +made in relation to every response in which server push might be needed without +causing duplicating pushes. + +A server that uses the same Push ID in multiple PUSH_PROMISE frames MUST include +the same header fields each time. The octets of the header block MAY be +different due to differing encoding, but the header fields and their values MUST +be identical. Note that ordering of header fields is significant. A client +MUST treat receipt of a PUSH_PROMISE with conflicting header field values for +the same Push ID as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_PUSH_PROMISE. + +A server SHOULD avoid sending a PUSH_PROMISE that includes a Push ID that was +fulfilled prior to the request being made. Though a client needs to handle +receiving a promised response prior to it being promised due to reordering of Suggested rewording: "Due to the possibility of network reordering, a client must be able to receive a promised resource prior to the corresponding PUSH_PROMISE." > +requests. Referencing the same server push ensures that a PUSH_PROMISE can be +made in relation to every response in which server push might be needed without +causing duplicating pushes. + +A server that uses the same Push ID in multiple PUSH_PROMISE frames MUST include +the same header fields each time. The octets of the header block MAY be +different due to differing encoding, but the header fields and their values MUST +be identical. Note that ordering of header fields is significant. A client +MUST treat receipt of a PUSH_PROMISE with conflicting header field values for +the same Push ID as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_PUSH_PROMISE. + +A server SHOULD avoid sending a PUSH_PROMISE that includes a Push ID that was +fulfilled prior to the request being made. Though a client needs to handle +receiving a promised response prior to it being promised due to reordering of +stream delivery, clients might be unable to reuse a pushed response that was +long since consumed. \[Editor's Note: should we include a count of the number of Not sure what this phrase means "clients might be unable to reuse a pushed response that was long since consumed." Can you clarify? > SETTINGS (0x4): : SETTINGS frames are sent only at the beginning of the connection. See {{frame-settings}} and {{h2-settings}}. PUSH_PROMISE (0x5): -: See {{frame-push-promise}}. +: The PUSH_PROMISE does not reference the stream that carries the response to + the pushed request; instead the push stream references the PUSH_PROMISE frame. reword. suggestion: "The PUSH_PROMISE does not reference the stream carrying the promised resource; instead the push stream references the PUSH_PROMISE frame." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/701#pullrequestreview-54246728 ----==_mimepart_5983bcbd8bcaf_e813fe54f483c347787c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

A bunch of editorial comments, and one material one.

  1. I think we need to be able to handle potential reordering between PUSH_PROMISE and CANCEL_PUSH.
  2. I don't think it makes sesne to say "push response" and "server push request", so I propose "promised resource".
  3. There's awkward phrasing around Prioritized Request and Dependent Request in text surrounding the PRIORITY frame. I propose adding "ID" to these field names to make the text less awkward.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> -form a dependency tree. The structure of the dependency tree changes as PRIORITY
-frames add, remove, or change the dependency links between streams.
+this priority scheme, a given request can be designated as dependent upon
+another request, which expresses the preference that the latter stream (the
+"parent" request) be allocated resources before the former stream (the
+"dependent" request). Taken together, the dependencies across all requests in a
+connection form a dependency tree. The structure of the dependency tree changes
+as PRIORITY frames add, remove, or change the dependency links between requests.
+
+HTTP/2 defines its priorities in terms of streams whereas HTTP over QUIC
+identifies requests.  The PRIORITY frame {{frame-priority}} identifies a request
+either by identifying the stream that carries a request or by using a Push ID
+({{frame-push-promise}}).  Other than the means of identifying requests, the
+prioritization system is identical to that in HTTP/2.
+
+Only a client can prioritize requests.  A server MUST NOT send a PRIORITY frame.

+1. I think it's more precise to say PRIORITY frame.
FWIW, I think it's a good idea that we're adding this requirement to avoid ambiguity and further down below, to avoid having to deal with reordering between PUSH_PROMISE and PRIORITY frames from server to client.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -402,15 +431,25 @@ without EHB set, followed by a HEADERS frame with EHB set.
 ### PRIORITY {#frame-priority}
 
 The PRIORITY (type=0x02) frame specifies the sender-advised priority of a stream
-and is substantially different from {{!RFC7540}}. In order to support ordering,
-it MUST be sent only on the control stream. The format has been modified to
-accommodate not being sent on-stream and the larger stream ID space of QUIC.
+and is substantially different in format from {{!RFC7540}}.  In order to ensure

nit: remove "substantially"

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
   Weight:
   : An unsigned 8-bit integer representing a priority weight for the stream (see
     {{!RFC7540}}, Section 5.3). Add one to the value to obtain a weight between
     1 and 256.
 
-A PRIORITY frame MAY identify a dependent stream with a stream ID of 0; as in
+A PRIORITY frame identifies a request to priotize, and a request upon which that
+request is dependent.  A request is identified by the stream ID of a request
+when the corresponding PUSH_PRIORITIZED or PUSH_DEPENDENT flag is not set.
+Setting the PUSH or PUSH_DEPENDENT flag causes the frame to identify a
+PUSH_PROMISE using a Push ID (see {{frame-push-promise}} for details).

I don't think it identifies the PUSH_PROMISE, but the promised resource, right?

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
   Weight:
   : An unsigned 8-bit integer representing a priority weight for the stream (see
     {{!RFC7540}}, Section 5.3). Add one to the value to obtain a weight between
     1 and 256.
 
-A PRIORITY frame MAY identify a dependent stream with a stream ID of 0; as in
+A PRIORITY frame identifies a request to priotize, and a request upon which that
+request is dependent.  A request is identified by the stream ID of a request
+when the corresponding PUSH_PRIORITIZED or PUSH_DEPENDENT flag is not set.

I'm not sure I understand this sentence. Can you rephrase? Specifically "A request is identified by the stream ID of a request" is really awkward. Perhaps saying "prioritized request" and "dependent request" might help? I believe what you're trying to say is: "A prioritized request is identified by its stream ID when the corresponding PRIORITY frame does not have PUSH_PRIORITIZED or PUSH_DEPENDENT flags set. Setting these flags causes the PRIORITY frame to identify a pushed resource using a Push ID (see {{frame-push-promise}} for details)." WDYT?

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -430,29 +469,79 @@ The flags defined are:
 
 The PRIORITY frame payload has the following fields:
 
-  Prioritized Stream:
-  : A 32-bit stream identifier for the request stream whose priority is being
-    updated.
+  Prioritized Request:
+  : A 32-bit identifier for a request.  This contains the stream ID of a request
+    stream when the PUSH_PRIORITIZED flag is clear, or a Push ID when the
+    PUSH_PRIORITIZED flag is set.
 
   Stream Dependency:

This should be Dependent Request. "Stream Dependency" is not a field in the frame.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
   Weight:
   : An unsigned 8-bit integer representing a priority weight for the stream (see
     {{!RFC7540}}, Section 5.3). Add one to the value to obtain a weight between
     1 and 256.
 
-A PRIORITY frame MAY identify a dependent stream with a stream ID of 0; as in
+A PRIORITY frame identifies a request to priotize, and a request upon which that
+request is dependent.  A request is identified by the stream ID of a request
+when the corresponding PUSH_PRIORITIZED or PUSH_DEPENDENT flag is not set.
+Setting the PUSH or PUSH_DEPENDENT flag causes the frame to identify a
+PUSH_PROMISE using a Push ID (see {{frame-push-promise}} for details).
+
+A PRIORITY frame MAY identify a Stream Dependency with a stream ID of 0; as in

Suggestion: "A PRIORITY frame MAY identify a Dependent Request ID of 0; ...". I'd prefer this because the value is not always stream ID.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>     +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-   |                    Dependent Stream (32)                      |
+   |                    Dependent Request (32)                     |

I'll propose that you add ID to both these fields. (Prioritized Request ID and Dependent Request ID). It makes references to these identifiers in the text easier to write.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  {{!RFC7540}}, this makes the request dependent on the root of the dependency
-tree.  Stream ID 0 and stream ID 1 cannot be reprioritized; an attempt to
-reprioritize these stream MUST be treated as a connection error of type
+tree.
+
+Stream ID 0 and stream ID 1 cannot be reprioritized. A Prioritized Request that
+identifies Stream 0 or 1 MUST be treated as a connection error of type

ditto -- "A Prioritized Request ID of 0 or 1"

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  The length of a PRIORITY frame is 9 octets.  A PRIORITY frame with any other
 length MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_PRIORITY.
 
 
+### CANCEL_PUSH {#frame-cancel-push}
+
+The CANCEL_PUSH frame (type=0x3) is used to request cancellation of server push
+prior to the push stream being created.  The CANCEL_PUSH frame identifies a
+server push request by Push ID (see {{frame-push-promise}}).

how about "promised resource" instead of "server push request"?

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  The length of a PRIORITY frame is 9 octets.  A PRIORITY frame with any other
 length MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_PRIORITY.
 
 
+### CANCEL_PUSH {#frame-cancel-push}
+
+The CANCEL_PUSH frame (type=0x3) is used to request cancellation of server push
+prior to the push stream being created.  The CANCEL_PUSH frame identifies a
+server push request by Push ID (see {{frame-push-promise}}).
+
+When a server receives this frame, it aborts sending the response for the
+identified server push.  If the server has not yet started to send the server

similarly, "sending the promised resource"

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +sending CANCEL_PUSH has no effect on the state of the push stream.  A QUIC
+RST_STREAM frame SHOULD be used instead to cancel transmission of the server
+push response.
+
+A CANCEL_PUSH frame is sent on the control stream.  Sending a CANCEL_PUSH frame
+on a stream other than the control stream MUST be treated as a stream error of
+type HTTP_WRONG_STREAM.
+
+The CANCEL_PUSH frame has no defined flags.
+
+The CANCEL_PUSH frame carries a 32-bit Push ID that identifies the server push
+that is being cancelled (see {{frame-push-promise}}).
+
+A server MUST treat a CANCEL_PUSH frame payload that is other than 4 octets in
+length, or a CANCEL_PUSH frame that identifies an unknown Push ID as a
+connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_CANCEL_PUSH.

A CANCEL_PUSH from a server could be reordered with a PUSH_PROMISE... I'm not sure what to do about this but I wanted to raise it.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -583,12 +673,34 @@ server to client, as in HTTP/2.  It defines no flags.
 
 The payload consists of:
 
-  Promised Stream ID:
-  : A 32-bit Stream ID indicating the QUIC stream on which the response will be
-    sent
+Push ID:
+: A 32-bit identifier for the server push request.  A push ID is used in push

It really sounds odd to say "server push request". It's not a request... how about "promised resource"?

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
-  Payload:
-  : HPACK-compressed request headers for the promised response.
+A server MAY use the same Push ID in multiple PUSH_PROMISE frames.  This allows
+the server to use the same server push in response to multiple concurrent
+requests.  Referencing the same server push ensures that a PUSH_PROMISE can be

"Referencing the same promised resource"

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
-  Payload:
-  : HPACK-compressed request headers for the promised response.
+A server MAY use the same Push ID in multiple PUSH_PROMISE frames.  This allows
+the server to use the same server push in response to multiple concurrent
+requests.  Referencing the same server push ensures that a PUSH_PROMISE can be
+made in relation to every response in which server push might be needed without
+causing duplicating pushes.

"causing duplicating pushes" --> "duplicating pushes"

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +A server MAY use the same Push ID in multiple PUSH_PROMISE frames.  This allows
+the server to use the same server push in response to multiple concurrent
+requests.  Referencing the same server push ensures that a PUSH_PROMISE can be
+made in relation to every response in which server push might be needed without
+causing duplicating pushes.
+
+A server that uses the same Push ID in multiple PUSH_PROMISE frames MUST include
+the same header fields each time.  The octets of the header block MAY be
+different due to differing encoding, but the header fields and their values MUST
+be identical.  Note that ordering of header fields is significant.  A client
+MUST treat receipt of a PUSH_PROMISE with conflicting header field values for
+the same Push ID as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_PUSH_PROMISE.
+
+A server SHOULD avoid sending a PUSH_PROMISE that includes a Push ID that was
+fulfilled prior to the request being made.  Though a client needs to handle
+receiving a promised response prior to it being promised due to reordering of

Suggested rewording: "Due to the possibility of network reordering, a client must be able to receive a promised resource prior to the corresponding PUSH_PROMISE."

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +requests.  Referencing the same server push ensures that a PUSH_PROMISE can be
+made in relation to every response in which server push might be needed without
+causing duplicating pushes.
+
+A server that uses the same Push ID in multiple PUSH_PROMISE frames MUST include
+the same header fields each time.  The octets of the header block MAY be
+different due to differing encoding, but the header fields and their values MUST
+be identical.  Note that ordering of header fields is significant.  A client
+MUST treat receipt of a PUSH_PROMISE with conflicting header field values for
+the same Push ID as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_PUSH_PROMISE.
+
+A server SHOULD avoid sending a PUSH_PROMISE that includes a Push ID that was
+fulfilled prior to the request being made.  Though a client needs to handle
+receiving a promised response prior to it being promised due to reordering of
+stream delivery, clients might be unable to reuse a pushed response that was
+long since consumed. \[Editor's Note: should we include a count of the number of

Not sure what this phrase means "clients might be unable to reuse a pushed response that was long since consumed." Can you clarify?

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 SETTINGS (0x4):
 : SETTINGS frames are sent only at the beginning of the connection.  See
   {{frame-settings}} and {{h2-settings}}.
 
 PUSH_PROMISE (0x5):
-: See {{frame-push-promise}}.
+: The PUSH_PROMISE does not reference the stream that carries the response to
+  the pushed request; instead the push stream references the PUSH_PROMISE frame.

reword. suggestion: "The PUSH_PROMISE does not reference the stream carrying the promised resource; instead the push stream references the PUSH_PROMISE frame."

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to become stale sooner or later, leaving it as plaintext seems like the cleanest approach. That makes sense to me, especially since there's n= o
additional protection that you get for encrypting them with a forever-fix= ed
key.

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> But now this is the only thing with some special snowflake anti-inje= ction.
> I don't see how that makes things better.
>
>
>
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> wrote:
>
> > Agreed. Echoing the connection id seems to provide sufficient e= ntropy to
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> As Mike pointed out, VN and Stateless Reset are special snowflakes, = no
> matter what. The point is that since whatever we do now with them is= going
> to become stale sooner or later, leaving it as plaintext seems like = the
> cleanest approach. That makes sense to me, especially since there= 9;s no
> additional protection that you get for encrypting them with a foreve= r-fixed
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>
> > But now this is the only thing with some special snowflake
> anti-injection.
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> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 7:57 PM, Ryan Hamilton <notifications= @github.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Agreed. Echoing the connection id seems to provide suffici= ent entropy
> to
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> > >
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> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > That was my thinking. The protection is as good as th= e packet
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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -430,29 +469,79 @@ The flags defined are:
 
 The PRIORITY frame payload has the following fields:
 
-  Prioritized Stream:
-  : A 32-bit stream identifier for the request stream whose priority is being
-    updated.
+  Prioritized Request:
+  : A 32-bit identifier for a request.  This contains the stream ID of a request
+    stream when the PUSH_PRIORITIZED flag is clear, or a Push ID when the
+    PUSH_PRIORITIZED flag is set.
 
   Stream Dependency:

Hmm, I think that "dependent request" means the stream that is dependent, so I changed the name. I'll fix the picture.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
   Weight:
   : An unsigned 8-bit integer representing a priority weight for the stream (see
     {{!RFC7540}}, Section 5.3). Add one to the value to obtain a weight between
     1 and 256.
 
-A PRIORITY frame MAY identify a dependent stream with a stream ID of 0; as in
+A PRIORITY frame identifies a request to priotize, and a request upon which that
+request is dependent.  A request is identified by the stream ID of a request
+when the corresponding PUSH_PRIORITIZED or PUSH_DEPENDENT flag is not set.

I've reworded a little. I've used the field names more explicitly. I didn't want to use "prioritized request" because that is too close to "Prioritized Request ID".

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
   Weight:
   : An unsigned 8-bit integer representing a priority weight for the stream (see
     {{!RFC7540}}, Section 5.3). Add one to the value to obtain a weight between
     1 and 256.
 
-A PRIORITY frame MAY identify a dependent stream with a stream ID of 0; as in
+A PRIORITY frame identifies a request to priotize, and a request upon which that
+request is dependent.  A request is identified by the stream ID of a request
+when the corresponding PUSH_PRIORITIZED or PUSH_DEPENDENT flag is not set.
+Setting the PUSH or PUSH_DEPENDENT flag causes the frame to identify a
+PUSH_PROMISE using a Push ID (see {{frame-push-promise}} for details).
+
+A PRIORITY frame MAY identify a Stream Dependency with a stream ID of 0; as in

That would only work if we prohibit a Push ID of 0.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  The length of a PRIORITY frame is 9 octets.  A PRIORITY frame with any other
 length MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_PRIORITY.
 
 
+### CANCEL_PUSH {#frame-cancel-push}
+
+The CANCEL_PUSH frame (type=0x3) is used to request cancellation of server push
+prior to the push stream being created.  The CANCEL_PUSH frame identifies a
+server push request by Push ID (see {{frame-push-promise}}).

The resource is the thing identified by a URL. I'm trying to be consistent here by always identifying requests, either those made by the client, or those synthesized/predicted by the server.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +A server MAY use the same Push ID in multiple PUSH_PROMISE frames.  This allows
+the server to use the same server push in response to multiple concurrent
+requests.  Referencing the same server push ensures that a PUSH_PROMISE can be
+made in relation to every response in which server push might be needed without
+causing duplicating pushes.
+
+A server that uses the same Push ID in multiple PUSH_PROMISE frames MUST include
+the same header fields each time.  The octets of the header block MAY be
+different due to differing encoding, but the header fields and their values MUST
+be identical.  Note that ordering of header fields is significant.  A client
+MUST treat receipt of a PUSH_PROMISE with conflicting header field values for
+the same Push ID as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_PUSH_PROMISE.
+
+A server SHOULD avoid sending a PUSH_PROMISE that includes a Push ID that was
+fulfilled prior to the request being made.  Though a client needs to handle
+receiving a promised response prior to it being promised due to reordering of

That's a completely different statement.

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Referencing the same server push ensures that a PUSH_PROMISE can be +made in relation to every response in which server push might be needed without +causing duplicating pushes. + +A server that uses the same Push ID in multiple PUSH_PROMISE frames MUST include +the same header fields each time. The octets of the header block MAY be +different due to differing encoding, but the header fields and their values MUST +be identical. Note that ordering of header fields is significant. A client +MUST treat receipt of a PUSH_PROMISE with conflicting header field values for +the same Push ID as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_PUSH_PROMISE. + +A server SHOULD avoid sending a PUSH_PROMISE that includes a Push ID that was +fulfilled prior to the request being made. Though a client needs to handle +receiving a promised response prior to it being promised due to reordering of +stream delivery, clients might be unable to reuse a pushed response that was +long since consumed. \[Editor's Note: should we include a count of the number of A server might promise with Push ID X and fulfill that promise. Later, it could send the same PUSH_PROMISE for X and assume that the client already has the response. A client can't be expected to retain the response. I have a different proposal for handling this now that I've had time away from the problem, I'll write that down. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/701#discussion_r131297698 ----==_mimepart_5983d3bdea9e5_6dea3ff669bbfc344297e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +requests.  Referencing the same server push ensures that a PUSH_PROMISE can be
+made in relation to every response in which server push might be needed without
+causing duplicating pushes.
+
+A server that uses the same Push ID in multiple PUSH_PROMISE frames MUST include
+the same header fields each time.  The octets of the header block MAY be
+different due to differing encoding, but the header fields and their values MUST
+be identical.  Note that ordering of header fields is significant.  A client
+MUST treat receipt of a PUSH_PROMISE with conflicting header field values for
+the same Push ID as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_PUSH_PROMISE.
+
+A server SHOULD avoid sending a PUSH_PROMISE that includes a Push ID that was
+fulfilled prior to the request being made.  Though a client needs to handle
+receiving a promised response prior to it being promised due to reordering of
+stream delivery, clients might be unable to reuse a pushed response that was
+long since consumed. \[Editor's Note: should we include a count of the number of

A server might promise with Push ID X and fulfill that promise. Later, it could send the same PUSH_PROMISE for X and assume that the client already has the response. A client can't be expected to retain the response. I have a different proposal for handling this now that I've had time away from the problem, I'll write that down.

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In order to support ordering, -it MUST be sent only on the control stream. The format has been modified to -accommodate not being sent on-stream and the larger stream ID space of QUIC. +and is substantially different in format from {{!RFC7540}}. In order to ensure This is an echo of language elsewhere in the HTTP draft, indicating which frames are mostly-direct copies of the HTTP/2 equivalent, and which ones are fundamentally different. Happy to discuss rephrasing that all-up in a separate editorial issue, but I think following the existing pattern in this PR is entirely appropriate. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/701#discussion_r131319051 ----==_mimepart_5984125618005_7d1a3fc2979edc2c1271ca Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -402,15 +431,25 @@ without EHB set, followed by a HEADERS frame with EHB set.
 ### PRIORITY {#frame-priority}
 
 The PRIORITY (type=0x02) frame specifies the sender-advised priority of a stream
-and is substantially different from {{!RFC7540}}. In order to support ordering,
-it MUST be sent only on the control stream. The format has been modified to
-accommodate not being sent on-stream and the larger stream ID space of QUIC.
+and is substantially different in format from {{!RFC7540}}.  In order to ensure

This is an echo of language elsewhere in the HTTP draft, indicating which frames are mostly-direct copies of the HTTP/2 equivalent, and which ones are fundamentally different. Happy to discuss rephrasing that all-up in a separate editorial issue, but I think following the existing pattern in this PR is entirely appropriate.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -583,12 +673,34 @@ server to client, as in HTTP/2.  It defines no flags.
 
 The payload consists of:
 
-  Promised Stream ID:
-  : A 32-bit Stream ID indicating the QUIC stream on which the response will be
-    sent
+Push ID:
+: A 32-bit identifier for the server push request.  A push ID is used in push

It is a request -- the PUSH_PROMISE contains a request body that the server is telling the client it expects the client will want to make shortly.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  The length of a PRIORITY frame is 9 octets.  A PRIORITY frame with any other
 length MUST be treated as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_PRIORITY.
 
 
+### CANCEL_PUSH {#frame-cancel-push}
+
+The CANCEL_PUSH frame (type=0x3) is used to request cancellation of server push
+prior to the push stream being created.  The CANCEL_PUSH frame identifies a
+server push request by Push ID (see {{frame-push-promise}}).

At least one other place, you refer simply to "the push" -- after some initial definition, that might be less awkward, though it feels somewhat informal.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
-  Payload:
-  : HPACK-compressed request headers for the promised response.
+A server MAY use the same Push ID in multiple PUSH_PROMISE frames.  This allows
+the server to use the same server push in response to multiple concurrent
+requests.  Referencing the same server push ensures that a PUSH_PROMISE can be

Technically, there's nothing stopping you from having two different pushes for the same resource in flight at once. I'm drawing a blank on why you would do that, but I'm not sure we want to foreclose it here.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -494,17 +495,19 @@ The PRIORITY frame payload has the following fields:
     1 and 256.
 
 A PRIORITY frame identifies a request to priotize, and a request upon which that
-request is dependent.  A request is identified by the stream ID of a request
-when the corresponding PUSH_PRIORITIZED or PUSH_DEPENDENT flag is not set.
-Setting the PUSH or PUSH_DEPENDENT flag causes the frame to identify a
-PUSH_PROMISE using a Push ID (see {{frame-push-promise}} for details).
-
-A PRIORITY frame MAY identify a Stream Dependency with a stream ID of 0; as in
-{{!RFC7540}}, this makes the request dependent on the root of the dependency
+request is dependent.  A Prioritized Request ID or Stream Dependency ID
+identifies a client initiated request using the corresponding stream ID when the

I believe client-initiated should be hyphenated.

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Random question while reading -- is '0' a valid Push ID? The answer isn't entirely obvious, and I could see implementations differing painfully.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
-  Payload:
-  : HPACK-compressed request headers for the promised response.
+A server MAY use the same Push ID in multiple PUSH_PROMISE frames.  This allows
+the server to use the same server push in response to multiple concurrent
+requests.  Referencing the same server push ensures that a PUSH_PROMISE can be

That's another reason to talk about "requests" rather than resources.

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I hope to fix the 0 thing in a follow-on. See my response to Jana on the mailing list. Right now, the entire 32-bit space is open for business.

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(#690) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5984de4810523_59e73fb5f2bd7c387511f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2017 20:51:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5984de4810523_59e73fb5f2bd7c387511f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds like we're in agreement that this can close with no text change, then. Please re-open if you disagree. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Sounds like we're in agreement that this can close with no text change, then. Please re-open if you disagree.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fixes #700. 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Fixes #700.

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Yes, I think that's the goal. You can deploy QUIC as an application-included library on any operating system that provides UDP support, regardless of whether it provides QUIC support.

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

LGTM. Looking forward to the follow on.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -494,17 +495,19 @@ The PRIORITY frame payload has the following fields:
     1 and 256.
 
 A PRIORITY frame identifies a request to priotize, and a request upon which that
-request is dependent.  A request is identified by the stream ID of a request
-when the corresponding PUSH_PRIORITIZED or PUSH_DEPENDENT flag is not set.
-Setting the PUSH or PUSH_DEPENDENT flag causes the frame to identify a
-PUSH_PROMISE using a Push ID (see {{frame-push-promise}} for details).
-
-A PRIORITY frame MAY identify a Stream Dependency with a stream ID of 0; as in
-{{!RFC7540}}, this makes the request dependent on the root of the dependency
+request is dependent.  A Prioritized Request ID or Stream Dependency ID
+identifies a client initiated request using the corresponding stream ID when the

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> QuicVersion initial_version; > ... This is annoying, since the "negotiated version" will not be known until negotiation is complete. As the extension is sent in the first flight with the Client Hello, this means that the value of this Client Hello will change between the first Client Initial packet that triggered a version negotiation, and the repeated Client Initial packet that is sent with the new version number. The text in section 7.1 says: > Though the contents of a packet might not change in response to version negotiation, a client MUST increase the packet number it uses on every packet it sends. If we keep the "negotiated version" in the transport parameter extension, the content of the packet will always change, so this sentence is misleading. I would prefer to only include the "initial version" in the transport parameter extension. The server can detect shenanigans if the initial version belong to its supported version list, yet is different from the version in the QUIC header. The client can detect shenanigans if the server supported list includes its own initial proposal. There is an argument that the QUIC header might be forged. In that case, it seems better to include the negotiated version in the server parameters, before the list of supported versions, and trust the client to detect any disparity. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/710 ----==_mimepart_59878fc11eb8f_47053fa1a2a81c3096b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The transport parameter extension sent in the Client Hello includes the following:

 select (Handshake.msg_type) {
    case client_hello:
       QuicVersion negotiated_version;
       QuicVersion initial_version;
       ...

This is annoying, since the "negotiated version" will not be known until negotiation is complete. As the extension is sent in the first flight with the Client Hello, this means that the value of this Client Hello will change between the first Client Initial packet that triggered a version negotiation, and the repeated Client Initial packet that is sent with the new version number. The text in section 7.1 says:

Though the contents of a packet might not change in response to version negotiation, a client MUST increase the packet number it uses on every packet it sends.

If we keep the "negotiated version" in the transport parameter extension, the content of the packet will always change, so this sentence is misleading.

I would prefer to only include the "initial version" in the transport parameter extension. The server can detect shenanigans if the initial version belong to its supported version list, yet is different from the version in the QUIC header. The client can detect shenanigans if the server supported list includes its own initial proposal.

There is an argument that the QUIC header might be forged. In that case, it seems better to include the negotiated version in the server parameters, before the list of supported versions, and trust the client to detect any disparity.

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Taking the negotiated version out removes it from the integrity check over the handshake. That would be unfortunate.

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Yes, that's why I was suggesting adding it to the server extension. Th= at way the Client Hello can be repeated with just a change of the version= number and sequence numbers in the QUIC header, and the Server Hello nee= ds to be formatted only once. The new structure would be:

struct {
  select (Handshake.msg_type) {
     case client_hello:
        QuicVersion initial_version;

     case encrypted_extensions:
        QuicVersion negotiated_version;
        QuicVersion supported_versions<2..2^8-4>;

     case new_session_ticket:
        struct {};
  };
  TransportParameter parameters<30..2^16-1>;

} TransportParameters;

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The current spec does not work well for a client that treats TLS as a = black box. With the current spec, it does something like:

  • Initiate TLS Context, format extension, obtain Client Hello message
  • Send Client Hello message on stream zero in client initial packet
  • On receiving version negotiation packet, select new version.
  • Delete old TLS context, initiate new one, format new extension, obtai= n new Client hello.
  • Clean up stream zero, send new Client Hello message on new stream 0 i= n new client initial packet.

That means the crypto associated to beginning of connection will have = to be done twice.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Properly generic handling would throw away the initial TLS context and make a new one when it received Version Negotiation. 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Properly generic handling would throw away the initial TLS context and m= ake a new one when it received Version Negotiation.

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A client can use this to limit the number of outstanding pushes. I've included advice on increasing the limit, not as the pushes are first used, but as the pushes are completed (or cancelled). There wasn't a rule for handling a truncated push stream header, so I added that as well. The HTTP_DUPLICATE_PUSH error was reclaimed for signaling all three types of error with a push stream header: truncation, duplicate Push ID, and exceeding MAX_PUSH_ID. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/711 -- Commit Summary -- * Limit pushes using MAX_PUSH_ID -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (64) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/711.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/711.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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This repurposes SETTINGS_ENABLE_PUSH as the initial limit.

A client can use this to limit the number of outstanding pushes. I've included
advice on increasing the limit, not as the pushes are first used, but as the
pushes are completed (or cancelled).

There wasn't a rule for handling a truncated push stream header, so I added
that as well. The HTTP_DUPLICATE_PUSH error was reclaimed for signaling all
three types of error with a push stream header: truncation, duplicate Push ID,
and exceeding MAX_PUSH_ID.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/711

Commit Summary

  • Limit pushes using MAX_PUSH_ID

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HTTP_WRONG_STREAM was defined as HTTP_SETTINGS_ON_WRONG_STREAM. @MikeBishop, I hope that this is properly editorial, the HTTP_SETTINGS_ON_WRONG_STREAM thing isn't clear, though WRONG_STREAM is now used in a few other places. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/712 -- Commit Summary -- * Fix error code definitions -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (14) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/712.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/712.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/712 ----==_mimepart_59897ca8dff5a_1e2713f98526abc2c236af Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

HTTP_MALFORMED_DATA description mentioned HEADERS and it wasn't in the IANA table.

HTTP_WRONG_STREAM was defined as HTTP_SETTINGS_ON_WRONG_STREAM.

@MikeBishop, I hope that this is properly editorial, the HTTP_SETTINGS_ON_WRONG_STREAM thing isn't clear, though WRONG_STREAM is now used in a few other places.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/712

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  • Fix error code definitions

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -794,6 +815,37 @@ the server MAY send another GOAWAY frame with an updated last stream identifier.
 This ensures that a connection can be cleanly shut down without losing requests.
 
 
+# MAX_PUSH_ID {#frame-max-push-id}
+
+The MAX_PUSH_ID frame (type=0xA) is used by clients to control the number of
+server pushes that the server can initiate.  This sets the maximum value for a
+Push ID that the server can use in a PUSH_PROMISE frame.  Consequently, this
+also limits the number of push streams that the server can initiate.

I'm not sure I'm following this completely. Clearly MAX_PUSH_ID limits the number of promises that the server can make. But isn't the number of actual push streams limited by the MAX_STREAM_ID?

(This makes me wonder if "Promise ID" might be a better name than "Push ID" but I may well just be confused.)

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -794,6 +815,37 @@ the server MAY send another GOAWAY frame with an updated last stream identifier.
 This ensures that a connection can be cleanly shut down without losing requests.
 
 
+# MAX_PUSH_ID {#frame-max-push-id}
+
+The MAX_PUSH_ID frame (type=0xA) is used by clients to control the number of
+server pushes that the server can initiate.  This sets the maximum value for a
+Push ID that the server can use in a PUSH_PROMISE frame.  Consequently, this
+also limits the number of push streams that the server can initiate.

You can't deliver a push that hasn't been promised, so the actual limit is whichever is smaller.

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Generally good; minor nits other than the frame ID. > @@ -362,9 +362,20 @@ This header consists of a 32-bit Push ID, which identifies a server push (see ~~~~~ {: #fig-push-stream-header title="Push Stream Header"} +A push stream always starts with a 32-bit Push ID. A client MUST treat +receiving a push stream that contains fewer than 4 octets as a connection error +of type HTTP_MALFORMED_PUSH. + +A server SHOULD use Push IDs sequentially, starting at 0. A client uses the +MAX_PUSH_ID frame ({{frame-max-push-id}}) and SETTINGS_MAX_PUSH_ID Nit: I'd mention these in the order they're used; the setting to provide an initial value and the frame to increment it later. > @@ -693,6 +708,12 @@ Push ID: Header Block: : HPACK-compressed request headers for the promised response. +A server MUST NOT use a Push ID that is larger than the client has provided in a +MAX_PUSH_ID frame ({{frame-max-push-id}}) or the SETTINGS_MAX_PUSH_ID setting +({{settings-parameters}}). A client that receives a PUSH_PROMISE that contains +a larger Push ID than is allowed MUST be treated as a connection error of type +HTTP_MALFORMED_PUSH_PROMISE. "is allowed" makes it sound like an absolute limit; might be worth rewording slightly. > @@ -794,6 +815,37 @@ the server MAY send another GOAWAY frame with an updated last stream identifier. This ensures that a connection can be cleanly shut down without losing requests. +# MAX_PUSH_ID {#frame-max-push-id} + +The MAX_PUSH_ID frame (type=0xA) is used by clients to control the number of Note that you're now conflicting with the frame type for the ALTSVC frame in the HTTP/2 registry. ORIGIN is using 0xC, which suggests someone has 0xB but I can't think of who off the top of my head right now. Might want to jump out to at least 0xD to be safe, or (ab)use 0x8 instead. > + +A server MUST NOT send a MAX_PUSH_ID frame. A client MUST treat the receipt of +a MAX_PUSH_ID frame as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_MAX_PUSH_ID. + +The initial value for the maximum Push ID is determined by the +SETTINGS_MAX_PUSH_ID setting ({{settings-parameters}}). A client that wishes to +manage the number of promised server pushes can increase the maximum Push ID by +sending a MAX_PUSH_ID frame as the server fulfills or cancels server pushes. + +The MAX_PUSH_ID frame has no defined flags. + +The MAX_PUSH_ID frame carries a 32-bit Push ID that identifies the maximum value +for a Push ID that the server can use (see {{frame-push-promise}}). A +MAX_PUSH_ID frame cannot reduce the maximum Push ID; receipt of a MAX_PUSH_ID +that contains a smaller value than previously received MUST be treated as a +connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_MAX_PUSH_ID. General comment: Because these are on the control stream, which means guaranteed in-order delivery, we *could* use the HTTP/2 model of sending an increment rather than an absolute number. I'm not sold that the few bytes saved are worth it, though. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/711#pullrequestreview-55082288 ----==_mimepart_598a348f967b5_51003fd29a2abc301260eb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Generally good; minor nits other than the frame ID.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -362,9 +362,20 @@ This header consists of a 32-bit Push ID, which identifies a server push (see
 ~~~~~
 {: #fig-push-stream-header title="Push Stream Header"}
 
+A push stream always starts with a 32-bit Push ID.  A client MUST treat
+receiving a push stream that contains fewer than 4 octets as a connection error
+of type HTTP_MALFORMED_PUSH.
+
+A server SHOULD use Push IDs sequentially, starting at 0.  A client uses the
+MAX_PUSH_ID frame ({{frame-max-push-id}}) and SETTINGS_MAX_PUSH_ID

Nit: I'd mention these in the order they're used; the setting to provide an initial value and the frame to increment it later.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -693,6 +708,12 @@ Push ID:
 Header Block:
 : HPACK-compressed request headers for the promised response.
 
+A server MUST NOT use a Push ID that is larger than the client has provided in a
+MAX_PUSH_ID frame ({{frame-max-push-id}}) or the SETTINGS_MAX_PUSH_ID setting
+({{settings-parameters}}).  A client that receives a PUSH_PROMISE that contains
+a larger Push ID than is allowed MUST be treated as a connection error of type
+HTTP_MALFORMED_PUSH_PROMISE.

"is allowed" makes it sound like an absolute limit; might be worth rewording slightly.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -794,6 +815,37 @@ the server MAY send another GOAWAY frame with an updated last stream identifier.
 This ensures that a connection can be cleanly shut down without losing requests.
 
 
+# MAX_PUSH_ID {#frame-max-push-id}
+
+The MAX_PUSH_ID frame (type=0xA) is used by clients to control the number of

Note that you're now conflicting with the frame type for the ALTSVC frame in the HTTP/2 registry. ORIGIN is using 0xC, which suggests someone has 0xB but I can't think of who off the top of my head right now. Might want to jump out to at least 0xD to be safe, or (ab)use 0x8 instead.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +
+A server MUST NOT send a MAX_PUSH_ID frame.  A client MUST treat the receipt of
+a MAX_PUSH_ID frame as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_MAX_PUSH_ID.
+
+The initial value for the maximum Push ID is determined by the
+SETTINGS_MAX_PUSH_ID setting ({{settings-parameters}}).  A client that wishes to
+manage the number of promised server pushes can increase the maximum Push ID by
+sending a MAX_PUSH_ID frame as the server fulfills or cancels server pushes.
+
+The MAX_PUSH_ID frame has no defined flags.
+
+The MAX_PUSH_ID frame carries a 32-bit Push ID that identifies the maximum value
+for a Push ID that the server can use (see {{frame-push-promise}}).  A
+MAX_PUSH_ID frame cannot reduce the maximum Push ID; receipt of a MAX_PUSH_ID
+that contains a smaller value than previously received MUST be treated as a
+connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_MAX_PUSH_ID.

General comment: Because these are on the control stream, which means guaranteed in-order delivery, we could use the HTTP/2 model of sending an increment rather than an absolute number. I'm not sold that the few bytes saved are worth it, though.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -794,6 +815,37 @@ the server MAY send another GOAWAY frame with an updated last stream identifier.
 This ensures that a connection can be cleanly shut down without losing requests.
 
 
+# MAX_PUSH_ID {#frame-max-push-id}
+
+The MAX_PUSH_ID frame (type=0xA) is used by clients to control the number of
+server pushes that the server can initiate.  This sets the maximum value for a
+Push ID that the server can use in a PUSH_PROMISE frame.  Consequently, this
+also limits the number of push streams that the server can initiate.

Good point. (Though I think it common practice we expect the promise limit to be higher than the stream limit so we would not expect this to be the lower of the two.) Perhaps the text could say:

Consequently, this also limits the number of push streams that the server can initiate in conjunction with MAX_STREAM_ID.

(or some such)

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@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -857,14 +909,17 @@ HTTP_INTERRUPTED_HEADERS (0x0E):
 : A HEADERS frame without the End Header Block flag was followed by a frame
   other than HEADERS.
 
-HTTP_SETTINGS_ON_WRONG_STREAM (0x0F):
-: A SETTINGS frame was received on a request control stream.
+HTTP_WRONG_STREAM (0x0F):
+: A frame was received on a different stream to where it is permitted.

"different... to" is British; "different... than" is American. "Different... from" is neutral. Maybe we should use that, or just sidestep the issue with "on a stream where it is not permitted."

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In Paris, there was discussion about allowing the server to change the Connection ID on a Server Stateless Retry. However, the spec doesn't actually define how to do this. Currently, it says to start a new connection, which could be read to imply a newly-random Connection ID.

For load-shedding, it would be nice to enable the server to point the client to a new server, which likely implies carrying it in the HelloRetryRequest.

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"Different... from" versus "different... to" versus "different... than" here as well.

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----==_mimepart_598a3c0db0e3d_74353fe078da3c3c840d6-- From nobody Tue Aug 8 15:55:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA18129ABE for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2017 15:55:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.595 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.595 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OKuejgXXl6RQ for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2017 15:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56190126B71 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2017 15:55:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=yKIfoFB/PhxBP+g0+vTtJHZrDvY=; b=Ltbq3bWO7KwdYNrj 5G5H8jm6n7cJK/AsaIxrYN2LOS+W5zVLFrhdqLcKhBkdXPaFJ3fuX6crrQFjounn jJ5bc4xuvr4GK4NA6QXpksfGFsRb/RyoosCFXmHrQj3drRgRPaKk8mpJ1Pb0xTi+ vX1T4IAj8V/7SX0byNG7dkfg/2c= Received: by filter0448p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0448p1mdw1-29539-598A4158-5 2017-08-08 22:55:20.141091594 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id VzDTGkTzRjGtkejylRJyLA for ; Tue, 08 Aug 2017 22:55:20.099 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2017 22:55:20 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Multiple connections on the same port (#714) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_598a4157f05fe_f733fd346303c3010437c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3TkZEv0/OClF9zmWTSTE21m/jCYcQwJa7/sM aPN3o+vCTgKTH/HDyRdOpNBAN0mNOBDIAspFjX4YnzMPGw9IAQAjr3/veQBEDBan1gJ90aDgzxiB91 aRT7cxJHjwzUOdnlDeyvQ7xvkXT5HJM5BdZhZXuLhssGDjTjIcjNyOlsY+zBnDUKSieEiwr0F7R5fs k= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2017 22:55:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_598a4157f05fe_f733fd346303c3010437c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @mikkelfj has raised questions about whether we might be able to maintain many connections on the same port. @ianswett has pointed out that other connection-ID-oriented protocols operate *all* connections on the same port to minimize the use of ephemeral ports. However, if any of those connections are to the same back end, there will be duplicate 5-tuples, and QUIC's current model doesn't support simultaneous handshakes with the same 5-tuple. If we want to enable this, we would need to have the server's first flight continue using the client-chosen Connection ID, but contain the new Connection ID. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/714 ----==_mimepart_598a4157f05fe_f733fd346303c3010437c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@mikkelfj has raised questions about whether we might be able to maintain many connections on the same port. @ianswett has pointed out that other connection-ID-oriented protocols operate all connections on the same port to minimize the use of ephemeral ports. However, if any of those connections are to the same back end, there will be duplicate 5-tuples, and QUIC's current model doesn't support simultaneous handshakes with the same 5-tuple.

If we want to enable this, we would need to have the server's first flight continue using the client-chosen Connection ID, but contain the new Connection ID.

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From editors' discussion on this:

Our joint recollection is that a new Connection ID can be sent along wit= h the HRR, potentially in a TLS extension. The client uses it in the subseq= uent Client Initial. The server-side load balancer treating it as a client-= chosen connection ID, which means that the server that sent the HRR should,= if it wants redirection, generate this Connection ID accordingly.

For verification, the server can send a cookie along with HRR that conta= ins the proposed connection ID, which the client echoes in new Client Initi= al.

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That said, we should make sure to discourage the use a single client port for all of its QUIC traffic. Routers do EQMP based a on 5-tuple, and most of them will not be QUIC-aware for years.

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +
+A server MUST NOT send a MAX_PUSH_ID frame.  A client MUST treat the receipt of
+a MAX_PUSH_ID frame as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_MAX_PUSH_ID.
+
+The initial value for the maximum Push ID is determined by the
+SETTINGS_MAX_PUSH_ID setting ({{settings-parameters}}).  A client that wishes to
+manage the number of promised server pushes can increase the maximum Push ID by
+sending a MAX_PUSH_ID frame as the server fulfills or cancels server pushes.
+
+The MAX_PUSH_ID frame has no defined flags.
+
+The MAX_PUSH_ID frame carries a 32-bit Push ID that identifies the maximum value
+for a Push ID that the server can use (see {{frame-push-promise}}).  A
+MAX_PUSH_ID frame cannot reduce the maximum Push ID; receipt of a MAX_PUSH_ID
+that contains a smaller value than previously received MUST be treated as a
+connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_MAX_PUSH_ID.

I think that we can make a bigger saving here by not sending the frame as often, noting that MAX_STREAM_ID covers the resource exhaustion issue.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -857,14 +909,17 @@ HTTP_INTERRUPTED_HEADERS (0x0E):
 : A HEADERS frame without the End Header Block flag was followed by a frame
   other than HEADERS.
 
-HTTP_SETTINGS_ON_WRONG_STREAM (0x0F):
-: A SETTINGS frame was received on a request control stream.
+HTTP_WRONG_STREAM (0x0F):
+: A frame was received on a different stream to where it is permitted.

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The original sentence "the server immediately after receiving the first handshake message from the client" lacks a predicate, "responds" may fit.

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Fast response to QoS and QoE is crucial to network operators, some of th= e intended usage for HTTP over QUIC is media delivery which may be a paid s= ervice. I find that the looking at RTT and packet loss information separabl= y problematic. It would have been better to work on Manageability of QUIC i= n parallel to the other documents.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -362,9 +362,20 @@ This header consists of a 32-bit Push ID, which identifies a server push (see
 ~~~~~
 {: #fig-push-stream-header title="Push Stream Header"}
 
+A push stream always starts with a 32-bit Push ID.  A client MUST treat
+receiving a push stream that contains fewer than 4 octets as a connection error
+of type HTTP_MALFORMED_PUSH.
+
+A server SHOULD use Push IDs sequentially, starting at 0.  A client uses the
+SETTINGS_MAX_PUSH_ID ({{settings-parameters}}) setting and the MAX_PUSH_ID frame
+({{frame-max-push-id}}) to limit the number of pushes that a server can promise
+initiate.  A client MUST treat receipt of a push stream with a Push ID that is

"promise initiate" needs to have only one word or a conjunction.

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@janai= yengar, could you clarify what you mean by: "We can further simplify th= e transport mechanism for server-chosen connection ID, by simply making it = part of transport_params"?

We are starting our load balancer implementation for IETF QUIC, so detai= ls like this are very pertinent.

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Basically, the reasoning in the meeting was this: If you want multiple = handshakes sharing the same 5-tuple in parallel, then you have to be able t= o identify which handshake a given packet belongs to. That means the first= packet from the server that gives you the server-chosen ID also h= as to have the client-chosen ID so it can be correlated. The client can st= art using the server-chosen ID after that, as currently defined.

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Thanks, Martin! Looks great. A few comments. > + +A server MUST NOT send a MAX_PUSH_ID frame. A client MUST treat the receipt of +a MAX_PUSH_ID frame as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_MAX_PUSH_ID. + +The initial value for the maximum Push ID is determined by the +SETTINGS_MAX_PUSH_ID setting ({{settings-parameters}}). A client that wishes to +manage the number of promised server pushes can increase the maximum Push ID by +sending a MAX_PUSH_ID frame as the server fulfills or cancels server pushes. + +The MAX_PUSH_ID frame has no defined flags. + +The MAX_PUSH_ID frame carries a 32-bit Push ID that identifies the maximum value +for a Push ID that the server can use (see {{frame-push-promise}}). A +MAX_PUSH_ID frame cannot reduce the maximum Push ID; receipt of a MAX_PUSH_ID +that contains a smaller value than previously received MUST be treated as a +connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_MAX_PUSH_ID. I don't think the savings are worth it, since this shouldn't be sent that often really as it is. On resource exhaustion, I think both MAX_STREAM_ID and MAX_PUSH_ID both cover that issue, just at different levels. QUIC decides MAX_STREAM_ID based on its resource constraints for streams, and the HTTP "layer" decides MAX_PUSH_ID based on its constraints for handling pushed resources. I think these are independent. > @@ -857,14 +910,17 @@ HTTP_INTERRUPTED_HEADERS (0x0E): : A HEADERS frame without the End Header Block flag was followed by a frame other than HEADERS. -HTTP_SETTINGS_ON_WRONG_STREAM (0x0F): -: A SETTINGS frame was received on a request control stream. +HTTP_WRONG_STREAM (0x0F): +: A frame was received on a different stream from where it is permitted. from -> than ? I mostly don't care because it might be about local idioms, but it took me a moment to parse :-) Offline, Ryan suggested "A frame was received on stream where it is not permitted", which SGTM as well (though it is semantically slightly different). > @@ -632,8 +643,12 @@ The following settings are defined in HTTP/QUIC: SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE (0x1): : An integer with a maximum value of 2^32 - 1. This value MUST be zero. - SETTINGS_ENABLE_PUSH (0x2): - : Transmitted as a Boolean + SETTINGS_MAX_PUSH_ID (0x2): + : An integer with a maximum value of 2^32 - 1. This determines the initial + maximum Push ID that a server can use. This setting only has meaning when + set by a client; a server MUST NOT provide a value for this setting. A + client MUST treat receipt of this setting from a server as a connection + error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_SETTINGS. Can this be 0? I assume so, since there's no other way to disable PUSH now. Can you state this explicitly here (that a client can disable push by setting this value to 0)? > @@ -794,6 +815,38 @@ the server MAY send another GOAWAY frame with an updated last stream identifier. This ensures that a connection can be cleanly shut down without losing requests. +# MAX_PUSH_ID {#frame-max-push-id} + +The MAX_PUSH_ID frame (type=0xD) is used by clients to control the number of +server pushes that the server can initiate. This sets the maximum value for a +Push ID that the server can use in a PUSH_PROMISE frame. Consequently, this +also limits the number of push streams that the server can initiate in addition +to the limit set by the QUIC MAX_STREAM_ID frame. It seems silly but possible to send this with 0. Can you add a sentence that says this MUST be > 0? > +type HTTP_WRONG_STREAM. + +A server MUST NOT send a MAX_PUSH_ID frame. A client MUST treat the receipt of +a MAX_PUSH_ID frame as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_MAX_PUSH_ID. + +The initial value for the maximum Push ID is determined by the +SETTINGS_MAX_PUSH_ID setting ({{settings-parameters}}). A client that wishes to +manage the number of promised server pushes can increase the maximum Push ID by +sending a MAX_PUSH_ID frame as the server fulfills or cancels server pushes. + +The MAX_PUSH_ID frame has no defined flags. + +The MAX_PUSH_ID frame carries a 32-bit Push ID that identifies the maximum value +for a Push ID that the server can use (see {{frame-push-promise}}). A +MAX_PUSH_ID frame cannot reduce the maximum Push ID; receipt of a MAX_PUSH_ID +that contains a smaller value than previously received MUST be treated as a I would explicitly state that this previous value may have been received via MAX_PUSH_ID or SETTINGS_MAX_PUSH_ID. 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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

Thanks, Martin! Looks great. A few comments.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +
+A server MUST NOT send a MAX_PUSH_ID frame.  A client MUST treat the receipt of
+a MAX_PUSH_ID frame as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_MAX_PUSH_ID.
+
+The initial value for the maximum Push ID is determined by the
+SETTINGS_MAX_PUSH_ID setting ({{settings-parameters}}).  A client that wishes to
+manage the number of promised server pushes can increase the maximum Push ID by
+sending a MAX_PUSH_ID frame as the server fulfills or cancels server pushes.
+
+The MAX_PUSH_ID frame has no defined flags.
+
+The MAX_PUSH_ID frame carries a 32-bit Push ID that identifies the maximum value
+for a Push ID that the server can use (see {{frame-push-promise}}).  A
+MAX_PUSH_ID frame cannot reduce the maximum Push ID; receipt of a MAX_PUSH_ID
+that contains a smaller value than previously received MUST be treated as a
+connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_MAX_PUSH_ID.

I don't think the savings are worth it, since this shouldn't be sent that often really as it is.

On resource exhaustion, I think both MAX_STREAM_ID and MAX_PUSH_ID both cover that issue, just at different levels. QUIC decides MAX_STREAM_ID based on its resource constraints for streams, and the HTTP "layer" decides MAX_PUSH_ID based on its constraints for handling pushed resources. I think these are independent.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -857,14 +910,17 @@ HTTP_INTERRUPTED_HEADERS (0x0E):
 : A HEADERS frame without the End Header Block flag was followed by a frame
   other than HEADERS.
 
-HTTP_SETTINGS_ON_WRONG_STREAM (0x0F):
-: A SETTINGS frame was received on a request control stream.
+HTTP_WRONG_STREAM (0x0F):
+: A frame was received on a different stream from where it is permitted.

from -> than ? I mostly don't care because it might be about local idioms, but it took me a moment to parse :-)
Offline, Ryan suggested "A frame was received on stream where it is not permitted", which SGTM as well (though it is semantically slightly different).

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -632,8 +643,12 @@ The following settings are defined in HTTP/QUIC:
   SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE (0x1):
   : An integer with a maximum value of 2^32 - 1.  This value MUST be zero.
 
-  SETTINGS_ENABLE_PUSH (0x2):
-  : Transmitted as a Boolean
+  SETTINGS_MAX_PUSH_ID (0x2):
+  : An integer with a maximum value of 2^32 - 1.  This determines the initial
+    maximum Push ID that a server can use.  This setting only has meaning when
+    set by a client; a server MUST NOT provide a value for this setting.  A
+    client MUST treat receipt of this setting from a server as a connection
+    error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_SETTINGS.

Can this be 0? I assume so, since there's no other way to disable PUSH now. Can you state this explicitly here (that a client can disable push by setting this value to 0)?

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -794,6 +815,38 @@ the server MAY send another GOAWAY frame with an updated last stream identifier.
 This ensures that a connection can be cleanly shut down without losing requests.
 
 
+# MAX_PUSH_ID {#frame-max-push-id}
+
+The MAX_PUSH_ID frame (type=0xD) is used by clients to control the number of
+server pushes that the server can initiate.  This sets the maximum value for a
+Push ID that the server can use in a PUSH_PROMISE frame.  Consequently, this
+also limits the number of push streams that the server can initiate in addition
+to the limit set by the QUIC MAX_STREAM_ID frame.

It seems silly but possible to send this with 0. Can you add a sentence that says this MUST be > 0?

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +type HTTP_WRONG_STREAM.
+
+A server MUST NOT send a MAX_PUSH_ID frame.  A client MUST treat the receipt of
+a MAX_PUSH_ID frame as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_MAX_PUSH_ID.
+
+The initial value for the maximum Push ID is determined by the
+SETTINGS_MAX_PUSH_ID setting ({{settings-parameters}}).  A client that wishes to
+manage the number of promised server pushes can increase the maximum Push ID by
+sending a MAX_PUSH_ID frame as the server fulfills or cancels server pushes.
+
+The MAX_PUSH_ID frame has no defined flags.
+
+The MAX_PUSH_ID frame carries a 32-bit Push ID that identifies the maximum value
+for a Push ID that the server can use (see {{frame-push-promise}}).  A
+MAX_PUSH_ID frame cannot reduce the maximum Push ID; receipt of a MAX_PUSH_ID
+that contains a smaller value than previously received MUST be treated as a

I would explicitly state that this previous value may have been received via MAX_PUSH_ID or SETTINGS_MAX_PUSH_ID. Perhaps "a smaller value than that received via a previous MAX_PUSH_ID or SETTINGS_MAX_PUSH_ID ..." ?

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----==_mimepart_598b861dc2d66_12f43f8be7f55c3c437e1-- From nobody Wed Aug 9 15:37:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A7C13239B for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 15:37:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2hkSareiJ4jW for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 15:37:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D48D132250 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 15:37:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=aHUEt/RhF//8ixdBeF5S87SOI04=; b=OqYer9yETOPcEp/b /wm0sVpxx40K5mxaeXRAmSwMwqIPpXcN7PlTb9GBfsgAH8axXaX7omv3hWl+umcA c4KkrR7uZn2x2KlY7oW/GjWUNADTBgVma5JR5gDEHAOJch/lG+Nr3/bYWrSjcmMB d9bk4kO3cYjRr32U24a81kKBhq8= Received: by filter1137p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1137p1mdw1-2189-598B8EC1-2B 2017-08-09 22:37:53.435522116 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0033p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id sZmIGfuwRe6toah1Z_Ej6w for ; Wed, 09 Aug 2017 22:37:53.361 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2017 22:37:53 +0000 (UTC) From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Multiple connections on the same port (#714) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_598b8ec0eec31_499b3f92f2039c3c1027eb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1+IDGpIeZvgQ/vJ7z+S9946lZrCoYlK4EQev byBr/aHxY4E2C6Iz62Pv/odm3spyqwMvxOrZLHX3k2U6z09HNxq8jXpNDiMgJuVd3QAX99+Yxqxcdr uffTAex6bEv+Fw39By6Fm5hlPpl3e4sQzP7P9JPnF2fvNef+GfXPf8WnbTczcaJS32wjRLv9llTz6u o= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2017 22:37:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_598b8ec0eec31_499b3f92f2039c3c1027eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What Mike said. Thanks for speaking up about your implementation effort, Igor, that's useful to know. I think at this point, #713 and this issue are the only ones that we need to resolve... and actually for your load balancer implementation, you only really need this issue to be resolved. I'll spin up a PR soon. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/714#issuecomment-321400593 ----==_mimepart_598b8ec0eec31_499b3f92f2039c3c1027eb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What Mike said. Thanks for speaking up about your implementation effort,= Igor, that's useful to know. I think at this point, #713 and this issue are the only ones that = we need to resolve... and actually for your load balancer implementation, y= ou only really need this issue to be resolved. I'll spin up a PR soon.

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= ----==_mimepart_598b8ec0eec31_499b3f92f2039c3c1027eb-- From nobody Wed Aug 9 15:39:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4803E13239B for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 15:39:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O0xc9tTlGXzT for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 15:39:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 620A7132380 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 15:39:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=nSMR/VYH94FbEaD1bBe0XLv8ynA=; b=f+UXTM+PP5tQUWPN A9cGBXlpnHJnmo4jKZ9SrLmJaoU+ExHKEOSO0BCkT7SK5nFCwn8XVrV0APeGDAkh plu1Eoq6kAES64D6HAnKXM99TC1Gg9s5qzCCm0DjwV7OlG6ikQw36TkMMKmyjFes YVEhNIAEWcewkBXH37Q/6GPtoJw= Received: by filter1145p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1145p1mdw1-2322-598B8F32-2B 2017-08-09 22:39:46.443392893 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0027p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id D_5kSudeQ-qczQTLuDTYTg for ; Wed, 09 Aug 2017 22:39:46.398 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2017 22:39:46 +0000 (UTC) From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Multiple connections on the same port (#714) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_598b8f321c802_5be13f93547fbc38304a2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2ITH+AClF8owL2WP4SywH2SuInmLWJvS7cKo uQcZ1h0MV6WBkId+yMO6A4TlsL276/xxBQwqlCvBRA3a6d0rvdvXkxNi04b06rn0LJYKQNER0GD5K/ AUrv16RTO2238APFcrdcU3xQNTjNuA2k4gJFQXK8jnvhB0Tg6xIJG440RUUxrcGcwJJ3K+taZlK9zx w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2017 22:39:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_598b8f321c802_5be13f93547fbc38304a2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So the server's first 1-RTT packet would have client's connection ID and carry server's connection ID in transport params. But all subsequent server's packets will have server's connection ID? (Or will all subsequent server's packets still have client's connection ID, while client's 1-RTT packets will have Server's connection ID?) In the former case (only the server's first 1-RTT packet has client's connection ID), what happens if that first packet is lost/reordered? Will the client respond with a Stateless Reset, when it receives server's second 1-RTT packet with server's connection ID? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/714#issuecomment-321400931 ----==_mimepart_598b8f321c802_5be13f93547fbc38304a2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So the server's first 1-RTT packet would have client's connection ID and= carry server's connection ID in transport params. But all subsequent serv= er's packets will have server's connection ID? (Or will all subsequent ser= ver's packets still have client's connection ID, while client's 1-RTT packe= ts will have Server's connection ID?)

In the former case (only the server's first 1-RTT packet has client's co= nnection ID), what happens if that first packet is lost/reordered? Will th= e client respond with a Stateless Reset, when it receives server's second 1= -RTT packet with server's connection ID?

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= ----==_mimepart_598b8f321c802_5be13f93547fbc38304a2-- From nobody Wed Aug 9 15:44:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59AC4132461 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 15:43:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K-f--1JfRR4h for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 15:43:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C04EF13239B for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 15:43:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2017 15:43:55 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1502318635; bh=TEHCY8SsTY8A54DTB4PpnYmyf8JF9rVpaUmjo1WP5Kg=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=WdGRa8YZAsU0Ota+UIbQ73SH1SMOXv4Tyu6q/Z8Jt4MtAskD6yd6ed/ZI0iTAaKcL mss95BatZbiletvQA09bJdICRulqv+7F2R96SeFlySzPr1RdvE26WZNgKqZWVlPfYn T/G51sqteKwptog1zFwbyyA3CWIaf92xkFSPw4XI= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Multiple connections on the same port (#714) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_598b902bd590d_75a13fbe109f1c2c1223d1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2017 22:43:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_598b902bd590d_75a13fbe109f1c2c1223d1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So, if we carry the server-chosen connection ID in transport params, we can be assured that the client will have this ID by the time it is trying to decrypt 1-RTT-encrypted packets. So the rules then become: - All 1-RTT encrypted packets use server-chosen connection ID. - All other packets carry client-chosen connection ID* * The exception to this rule is the Client Initial following a Stateless Retry Packet, but that does not matter from a load balancer's perspective, since the connection ID in Client Initial packets are supposed to be treated by load balancers as client-chosen. Does that make sense? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/714#issuecomment-321401729 ----==_mimepart_598b902bd590d_75a13fbe109f1c2c1223d1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So, if we carry the server-chosen connection ID in transport params, w= e can be assured that the client will have this ID by the time it is tryi= ng to decrypt 1-RTT-encrypted packets.

So the rules then become:

  • All 1-RTT encrypted packets use server-chosen connection ID.
  • All other packets carry client-chosen connection ID*
  • The exception to this rule is the Client Initial following a Stateles= s Retry Packet, but that does not matter from a load balancer's perspecti= ve, since the connection ID in Client Initial packets are supposed to be = treated by load balancers as client-chosen.

Does that make sense?

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Closes #578.

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LGTM, modulo readability nits. > @@ -1232,6 +1232,15 @@ client MUST terminate with a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR error code if version negotiation occurred but it would have selected a different version based on the value of the supported_versions list. +When an endpoint accepts multiple QUIC versions, it can potentially interpret +transport parameters as they are defined by any of the QUIC versions it +supports. The version field in the QUIC packet header are only authenticated nit: are -> is also, "is only authenticated using" -> "is authenticated using" > @@ -1232,6 +1232,15 @@ client MUST terminate with a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR error code if version negotiation occurred but it would have selected a different version based on the value of the supported_versions list. +When an endpoint accepts multiple QUIC versions, it can potentially interpret +transport parameters as they are defined by any of the QUIC versions it +supports. The version field in the QUIC packet header are only authenticated +using the transport parameters. The position and the format of the version +fields in transport parameters MUST either be identical across different QUIC +versions, or be unambiguously different in a way that ensures that there is no +possibility for confusion about their interpretation. One way that a new format suggested rephrase: "be unambiguously different in a way that ensures that there is no possibility for confusion about their interpretation" --> "be unambiguously different to ensure no confusion about their interpretation" -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/498#pullrequestreview-55410295 ----==_mimepart_598baa1266cb8_642f3fb9bc379c301192ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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LGTM, modulo readability nits.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1232,6 +1232,15 @@ client MUST terminate with a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR error code if
 version negotiation occurred but it would have selected a different version
 based on the value of the supported_versions list.
 
+When an endpoint accepts multiple QUIC versions, it can potentially interpret
+transport parameters as they are defined by any of the QUIC versions it
+supports.  The version field in the QUIC packet header are only authenticated

nit: are -> is
also, "is only authenticated using" -> "is authenticated using"

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1232,6 +1232,15 @@ client MUST terminate with a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR error code if
 version negotiation occurred but it would have selected a different version
 based on the value of the supported_versions list.
 
+When an endpoint accepts multiple QUIC versions, it can potentially interpret
+transport parameters as they are defined by any of the QUIC versions it
+supports.  The version field in the QUIC packet header are only authenticated
+using the transport parameters.  The position and the format of the version
+fields in transport parameters MUST either be identical across different QUIC
+versions, or be unambiguously different in a way that ensures that there is no
+possibility for confusion about their interpretation.  One way that a new format

suggested rephrase: "be unambiguously different in a way that ensures that there is no possibility for confusion about their interpretation" --> "be unambiguously different to ensure no confusion about their interpretation"

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A client can use this to limit the number of outstanding pushes. I've included advice on increasing the limit, not as the pushes are first used, but as the pushes are completed (or cancelled). There wasn't a rule for handling a truncated push stream header, so I added that as well. The HTTP_DUPLICATE_PUSH error was reclaimed for signaling all three types of error with a push stream header: truncation, duplicate Push ID, and exceeding MAX_PUSH_ID. Commit: aa26c0f25ae24c25e4cf9241603c2fd21703d611 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/aa26c0f25ae24c25e4cf9241603c2fd21703d611 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-10 (Thu, 10 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Fix error codes, prohibit reduction Commit: 636e9442eb24bcff56cdbc0eedee3ca066ce770b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/636e9442eb24bcff56cdbc0eedee3ca066ce770b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-10 (Thu, 10 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Review comments Commit: f1fb1fec1f970e9ae99827dc0ab67cdfba0bc2af https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f1fb1fec1f970e9ae99827dc0ab67cdfba0bc2af Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-10 (Thu, 10 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Remove push setting in favor of MAX_PUSH_ID Commit: 95ff370669f9f17c8cb38835e4cf6ba7d5acdf88 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/95ff370669f9f17c8cb38835e4cf6ba7d5acdf88 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-10 (Thu, 10 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Remove redundant word Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/b6bcd43af27b...95ff370669f9 ----==_mimepart_598babdddcd16_4133f8a41933c349956d-- From nobody Wed Aug 9 17:43:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C321E1324D3 for ; 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HTTP_WRONG_STREAM was defined as HTTP_SETTINGS_ON_WRONG_STREAM. 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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -857,14 +910,17 @@ HTTP_INTERRUPTED_HEADERS (0x0E):
 : A HEADERS frame without the End Header Block flag was followed by a frame
   other than HEADERS.
 
-HTTP_SETTINGS_ON_WRONG_STREAM (0x0F):
-: A SETTINGS frame was received on a request control stream.
+HTTP_WRONG_STREAM (0x0F):
+: A frame was received on a different stream from where it is permitted.

I took Ryan's text, but I moved that to #712. This PR will appear to be include the change, but that's just because I rebased on top of #712 on the assumption that it will be merged.

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>
> > @@ -857,14 +910,17 @@ HTTP_INTERRUPTED_HEADERS (0x0E):
> : A HEADERS frame without the End Header Block flag was followed by a= frame
> other than HEADERS.
>
> -HTTP_SETTINGS_ON_WRONG_STREAM (0x0F):
> -: A SETTINGS frame was received on a request control stream.
> +HTTP_WRONG_STREAM (0x0F):
> +: A frame was received on a different stream from where it is permitt= ed.
>
> I took Ryan's text, but I moved that to #712
> <https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/712>. This PR will a= ppear to
> be include the change, but that's just because I rebased on top of= #712
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= ----==_mimepart_598bad5153ca8_38373f80ed3e7c38119540-- From nobody Wed Aug 9 17:50:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D7621321A3 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 17:50:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sR95qaxigfBJ for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 17:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m69-169.mailgun.net (m69-169.mailgun.net [166.78.69.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 92A55132025 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 17:50:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1502326244; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=3ucWnhjiQ6y+tPx9/YPKvFJ/UxJyQVR2UkRT7OlVOlI=; b=fti7HOR+5kR85khe2XvBuTDZpVkve6A3f8SbyR15x3BBdulFq5nPGR09hNxjV5ZpmEKW9pT7 +zIt7/a4BYZfIP4hEs91UcTbq5phzl8ZLFW/pV2tPVbylO/qA8NbdBqkDASPkizuyKNoV6Vb bMLCdoAOkqsELuGjj3halpPiR6w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ctc6OYhzdd+WhXK33GHTxPfcnGhTmvozc57l+87/kmvVYua4ocWfZK5hXNXyMozwxTl9t/ CNtcQk1hJUxnMylbnYzsTtF66wDDZhTrymMI6eVofkTgdoAPXPCQ4YeZwgGwquQpXfR94wFt PCqZT+SUx15OSRPbUIccrPHnu/76M= Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.169 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.45]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 598bade4.7fc3f0248fc0-smtp-out-n02; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 00:50:44 -0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2017 17:50:44 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <598bade472504_1a3e3fa7b93a3c3452745@hookshot-fe3-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 3feae8: Version validation fields can't move or change Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_598bade472100_1a3e3fa7b93a3c345262c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 00:50:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_598bade472100_1a3e3fa7b93a3c345262c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 3feae87038a9c22e87e51ffc76ef3b1780569664 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3feae87038a9c22e87e51ffc76ef3b1780569664 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-07-31 (Mon, 31 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Version validation fields can't move or change Closes #121. Commit: c48030d34993cda46314e5daaaeaa2896b16432b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c48030d34993cda46314e5daaaeaa2896b16432b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-07-31 (Mon, 31 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Better reasons for maintaining consistent version negotiation fields in transport parameters Thanks to @vasilvv for the text, which I only tweaked slightly. Commit: 7b05603055fbe32047714a8b92cf0839761c6afc https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7b05603055fbe32047714a8b92cf0839761c6afc Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-03 (Thu, 03 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Attempt to address feedback Commit: 2d755ea72538d65c40facb3fab4feed3de6ef7af https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2d755ea72538d65c40facb3fab4feed3de6ef7af Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-10 (Thu, 10 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Editorial tweaks, thanks Jana Commit: e231b0748967b35bafde1b88664c234ee5f38281 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e231b0748967b35bafde1b88664c234ee5f38281 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-10 (Thu, 10 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'transport_parameter_versioning' Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/fb1d772669b4...e231b0748967 ----==_mimepart_598bade472100_1a3e3fa7b93a3c345262c-- From nobody Wed Aug 9 17:50:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCAF41321A3 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 17:50:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.181 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.181 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QME0xLioRkmb for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 17:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C81D132139 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 17:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2017 17:50:46 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1502326246; bh=QB8EDn070dI2JaPc6FCgdjfsZbfD0Yn29Es2sA1pyI0=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=w5E9rw/UrO25MzXG3hLnMMd3zAXB5pihO5Sbh6HB9mHDlPmlYnDQogs4+GpXsUMP9 xq1pWC46iOttujhPbyxGchJ9K+MOu0CLobCQtF2KHjg2JXbMl7VFYUdj1CIzsMC7CW UyYevPojjVT5Vuo9j2fB6+D1TRq144GlEPIMdFg4= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Version validation fields can't move or change (#498) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_598bade66f839_15093f7fbaa5dc2c235cc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 00:50:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_598bade66f839_15093f7fbaa5dc2c235cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #498. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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----==_mimepart_598baef49e30_70ae3f9587b57c301060fd-- From nobody Wed Aug 9 17:55:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8AD41324D8 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 17:55:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.473 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.473 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KTPlpx9NIrWg for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 17:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8429B1321A3 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 17:55:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=2ne4EeQi89eNHdGrCUXE9zghDBM=; b=FcjLawCKAPyauidA C+2zwGvnzpshfE/nVI57Hc93wVLEOIBbYTEk2u/LrGKjg34xK115Hwm38/4l4zuv WvIr5NsXSLvopzSPQY8yixfQtCkIr58xY+hUIqy5331acXyxO5OuORHWQg4nX93p aIlao2bintruv+N810Lx69+jlsA= Received: by filter0935p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0935p1mdw1-30105-598BAF05-5B 2017-08-10 00:55:33.575651863 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0024p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 9WadqsO3R4C-gfNlmfgOyw for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 00:55:33.545 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 00:55:33 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] DAG of documents (#44) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_598baf0534a68_11aaa3ff4989a5c3c66242"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2P7tUFYKqmPde58Rf+lNM7s8Ai2cPcY0aziU YnXr70Qq5ELDppQh4szrvbn7A1ujjIVdVDuMF2iesVapgwwM5ohMjWEOJH/dliafFEDDUOGEHvOJ+A FD+TxBHfdYHFotY0vg0OuqzmTH7nGhrNmUnrmh24iuijujL5KSY6o5OrYoXTSZG6k2VauSYRYMeYcI c= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 00:55:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_598baf0534a68_11aaa3ff4989a5c3c66242 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the absence of a response. I'm going to make an executive decision here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/44#issuecomment-321420711 ----==_mimepart_598baf0534a68_11aaa3ff4989a5c3c66242 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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A client can use this to limit the number of outstanding pushes. I've included advice on increasing the limit, not as the pushes are first used, but as the pushes are completed (or cancelled). There wasn't a rule for handling a truncated push stream header, so I added that as well. The HTTP_DUPLICATE_PUSH error was reclaimed for signaling all three types of error with a push stream header: truncation, duplicate Push ID, and exceeding MAX_PUSH_ID. Commit: 3b7aa265c5ae458fff58e38986ea571105daeeb9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3b7aa265c5ae458fff58e38986ea571105daeeb9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-10 (Thu, 10 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Fix error codes, prohibit reduction Commit: f633213fcbc0442f7887dcef6ed4630ec74a300b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f633213fcbc0442f7887dcef6ed4630ec74a300b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-10 (Thu, 10 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Review comments Commit: 9b96a44abc86d951aa9915365b3d2867b076ec88 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9b96a44abc86d951aa9915365b3d2867b076ec88 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-10 (Thu, 10 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Remove push setting in favor of MAX_PUSH_ID Commit: b38ae536b3440ac70850bc9237c490bb729b28aa https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b38ae536b3440ac70850bc9237c490bb729b28aa Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-10 (Thu, 10 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Remove redundant word Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/95ff370669f9...b38ae536b344 ----==_mimepart_598bad1440196_157b3fa6ff2b9c3419822-- From nobody Wed Aug 9 18:02:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77981324D7 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 18:02:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.181 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.181 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o2LXqJJ7cyKO for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 18:02:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext5.iad.github.net [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B7071324D8 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 18:02:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2017 18:02:26 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1502326946; bh=EuyNVNjQ7XhMHKrWgBVPClKQ+6fYZL9HJ4vRPz3v95k=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zrMw1uzzlAsBPXY7CEXH5sPmwJ/JD7Y6N2huUualO1KoZaB1WdFUnQdwSlEBacWS6 Hafk1+sBfKqDDuSHaQlTF1klLp01SFOSRKDtg3HojUcMCtwKo2mh19WUDBQdOEDQ77 IlQSM/JfII3+/IjD/0E6Htq5Nb6gQv7M5Kl16Gao= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Retain use of SETTINGS_ENABLE_PUSH (#718) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_598bb0a249246_277153fc1afaf5c341620a1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 01:02:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_598bb0a249246_277153fc1afaf5c341620a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When pushing, the server currently only pushes after it's heard a MAX_PUSH_ID from the client. It might be useful to retain HTTP/2's SETTINGS_ENABLE_PUSH boolean that indicates push is disabled by the client. Without this boolean, the server has to wait forever to push but can't because it didn't hear anything from the client "yet", and the only way it knows that the client has disabled push is basically silence... which seems not great. (Tertiary point: it might be useful for various debugging/logging purposes to have an explicit disabling.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/718 ----==_mimepart_598bb0a249246_277153fc1afaf5c341620a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

When pushing, the server currently only pushes after it's heard a MAX_PUSH_ID from the client. It might be useful to retain HTTP/2's SETTINGS_ENABLE_PUSH boolean that indicates push is disabled by the client. Without this boolean, the server has to wait forever to push but can't because it didn't hear anything from the client "yet", and the only way it knows that the client has disabled push is basically silence... which seems not great. (Tertiary point: it might be useful for various debugging/logging purposes to have an explicit disabling.)

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Do nothing 2. Provide some advice 3. Provide a mechanism Despite the complications, I'm inclined toward tackling the advice angle on this one. Header parsers are likely a shared resource that might be shared across multiple connections and there are advantages in solving the atomicity problem more generally (see below for more on this). ## Advice This might be along the lines of "wait for the end of a header block before you parse it lest you commit to having many concurrently active parsers". The problem here is that you want back pressure. You don't want to read from the transport (and open up the flow control window) or you are buffering multiple concurrent header blocks as bytes instead of headers and you haven't solved the problem. So you need additional advice that transport APIs provide an application protocol implementation the ability to peek at stream content without releasing it from the transport. A peek API has downsides, and it wouldn't be necessary if we only allowed a single HEADERS frame, because you could just read the HEADERS header to get the length and then wait until the transport has that many bytes available. Either way, this ensures that flow control is used to limit resource exhaustion. The downside of using flow control this way is that you also need sender involvement so that you don't deadlock. Too many partially completed header blocks in progress will ensure that the sender can't send any more, but they need to send more in order to complete any one of those header blocks. That forces some pretty complicated logic on the sender side to manage completion of a header block alongside other prioritization concerns. In a sense, the need to avoid deadlock causes completing a header block to be more important than just about anything else. Maybe we need this functionality more generally: the ability to identify a slice of bytes on a stream that represent an atomic unit. ## The Mechanism: Limit Header Parsers We could instead apply a strict limit to the number of header parsers. This implies adding a measure of HoLB to the protocol. The sequence numbers that Mike added to serialize HPACK had this effect, but they reduced it to just one, you can imagine a design with multiple "threads" and some way to limit the number of threads. (Maybe we need a new tag for this sort of problem: "problems that h2 didn't have, but we discover that QUIC inadvertently introduced") -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/238#issuecomment-321423082 ----==_mimepart_598bb35ceafcd_34773f997268bc30432b4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@ma= rten-seemann, I'm trying to understand our options here:

  1. Do nothing
  2. Provide some advice
  3. Provide a mechanism

Despite the complications, I'm inclined toward tackling the advice angle= on this one. Header parsers are likely a shared resource that might be sh= ared across multiple connections and there are advantages in solving the at= omicity problem more generally (see below for more on this).

Advice

This might be along the lines of "wait for the end of a header block bef= ore you parse it lest you commit to having many concurrently active parsers= ".

The problem here is that you want back pressure. You don't want to read= from the transport (and open up the flow control window) or you are buffer= ing multiple concurrent header blocks as bytes instead of headers and you h= aven't solved the problem.

So you need additional advice that transport APIs provide an application= protocol implementation the ability to peek at stream content without rele= asing it from the transport. A peek API has downsides, and it wouldn't be = necessary if we only allowed a single HEADERS frame, because you could just= read the HEADERS header to get the length and then wait until the transpor= t has that many bytes available.

Either way, this ensures that flow control is used to limit resource exh= austion.

The downside of using flow control this way is that you also need sender= involvement so that you don't deadlock. Too many partially completed head= er blocks in progress will ensure that the sender can't send any more, but = they need to send more in order to complete any one of those header blocks.= That forces some pretty complicated logic on the sender side to manage co= mpletion of a header block alongside other prioritization concerns. In a s= ense, the need to avoid deadlock causes completing a header block to be mor= e important than just about anything else.

Maybe we need this functionality more generally: the ability to identify= a slice of bytes on a stream that represent an atomic unit.

The Mechanism: Limit Header Parsers

We could instead apply a strict limit to the number of header parsers. T= his implies adding a measure of HoLB to the protocol.

The sequence numbers that Mike added to serialize HPACK had this effect,= but they reduced it to just one, you can imagine a design with multiple "t= hreads" and some way to limit the number of threads.

(Maybe we need a new tag for this sort of problem: "problems that h2 did= n't have, but we discover that QUIC inadvertently introduced")

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It's true, this changes the default stance of a server. In the event th= at a MAX_PUSH_ID (#711)= isn't received, the server simply can't use server push. If the client re= ally does support push, this error is going to be rare (the packet containi= ng the MAX_PUSH_ID is lost or delayed and the request is still in a positio= n to be understood and responded to). The only consequence is lost opportu= nity, the protocol still functions.

We have a similar problem with SETTINGS. SETTINGS establishes the heade= r table size, so there is a lost (compression) opportunity if it is lost or= reordered.

Either way, I think that we'll find out just how much of a problem this = is when we get some experience with this. It might be premature to decide = right now.

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This extensively used language like "protected ACK frames", which is incorrect.
I fixed that here, recognizing that more extensive fixes are probably needed.

I also just made the observation that the server might acknowledge 0-RTT, but
the client might be unable to read those ACK frames, which closes #221.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/719

Commit Summary

  • Revise text on ACK frames prior to handshake completion

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I fixed that here, recognizing that more extensive fixes are probably needed. I also just made the observation that the server might acknowledge 0-RTT, but the client might be unable to read those ACK frames, which closes #221. ----==_mimepart_598bb8d128b6f_7bd93fda75921c4434690-- From nobody Wed Aug 9 19:34:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4388E132529 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 19:34:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q-YJKSYoD0xw for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 19:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 861B313252B for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 19:34:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=W4oaJ9zgUfa/Yxcky5dvm2YMMiY=; b=ERNKf1URIqIFF9cI mKrrxyD3PFHNbwQBoV21/yIzWBo4gn0VuQfYv4+ic7R0bBAv9Jln/4cTz5JRzmht KSszr11i7A0xl6VUCw2Mh0tkV61ypSPgilzYWb9D4myVgiYZfOCi+lGV2A8E8Q72 toZhs4riHvKsTwy1QDydWdebxJE= Received: by filter0546p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0546p1mdw1-12925-598BC62B-16 2017-08-10 02:34:19.077816352 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id sDufp6eAQx66x8Nz8LYRWQ for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 02:34:19.036 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 02:34:19 +0000 (UTC) From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Revise text on ACK frames prior to handshake completion (#719) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_598bc62ae731e_2bd1a3ff4989a5c3c5096e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak20fjmJ3HMD8We8kAdvf2Hd/SuVA602ku/S+m wM5LAMI41+ry+vrEF0R3VWaMgpgs1FCCxivpKR9iZTpShn9htsn0/DT0tA/kg7WH6pcUltAfxn1mB8 DPKHeC+lhTLNdqnl/yDwAqe7JINidegeD3Y0NliMVuJpfCdTJ4+Bz3G9V5s5UmcD3+jLaJ04oy922Q 4= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 02:34:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_598bc62ae731e_2bd1a3ff4989a5c3c5096e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. A few suggestions to make the wording stronger. > -ISSUE: - -: What about 0-RTT data? Should we allow acknowledgment of 0-RTT with - unprotected frames? If we don't, then 0-RTT data will be unacknowledged until - the handshake completes. This isn't a problem if the handshake completes - without loss, but it could mean that 0-RTT stalls when a handshake packet - disappears for any reason. - -An endpoint SHOULD use data from unprotected or 0-RTT-protected `ACK` frames -only during the initial handshake and while they have insufficient information -from 1-RTT-protected `ACK` frames. Once sufficient information has been -obtained from protected messages, information obtained from less reliable -sources can be discarded. +Endpoints MUST NOT use an `ACK` frame in an unprotected packet to acknowledge +packets that were protected by 0-RTT or 1-RTT keys. An endpoint MUST ignore an +`ACK` frame in an unprotected packet if it claims to acknowledge data that was So the endpoint needs to ignore the entire ack frame if any packets acknowledged were protected? > +packets that were protected by 0-RTT or 1-RTT keys. An endpoint MUST ignore an +`ACK` frame in an unprotected packet if it claims to acknowledge data that was +sent in a protected packet. Such an acknowledgement can only serve as a denial +of service, since an endpoint that can read protected data is always able to +send protected data. + +Note: + +: 0-RTT data can be acknowledged by the server as it receives it, but any + packets containing acknowledgments of 0-RTT data cannot have packet protection + removed by the client until the entire server handshake is received by the + client. + +An endpoint SHOULD use data from `ACK` frames carried in unprotected or +0-RTT-protected packets only during the initial handshake and while they have +insufficient information from `ACK` frames in 1-RTT-protected packets. Once I'd like to make this stronger if possible. How about "only before they have received an 'ACK' frame in a 1-RTT protected packet. Once they have received an ack frame in a 1-RTT protected packet, all ack frames with less protection MUST be ignored." > - -An endpoint SHOULD use data from unprotected or 0-RTT-protected `ACK` frames -only during the initial handshake and while they have insufficient information -from 1-RTT-protected `ACK` frames. Once sufficient information has been -obtained from protected messages, information obtained from less reliable -sources can be discarded. +Endpoints MUST NOT use an `ACK` frame in an unprotected packet to acknowledge +packets that were protected by 0-RTT or 1-RTT keys. An endpoint MUST ignore an +`ACK` frame in an unprotected packet if it claims to acknowledge data that was +sent in a protected packet. Such an acknowledgement can only serve as a denial +of service, since an endpoint that can read protected data is always able to +send protected data. + +Note: + +: 0-RTT data can be acknowledged by the server as it receives it, but any I'm not sure how this note is helpful. The server has to send all acks either unprotected or in 1RTT packets, correct? If so, it seems simpler to say "0-RTT data can be acknowledged by the server as it is received, but it must be send with 1-RTT protection."? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/719#pullrequestreview-55420770 ----==_mimepart_598bc62ae731e_2bd1a3ff4989a5c3c5096e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett commented on this pull request.

A few suggestions to make the wording stronger.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -ISSUE:
-
-: What about 0-RTT data?  Should we allow acknowledgment of 0-RTT with
-  unprotected frames?  If we don't, then 0-RTT data will be unacknowledged until
-  the handshake completes.  This isn't a problem if the handshake completes
-  without loss, but it could mean that 0-RTT stalls when a handshake packet
-  disappears for any reason.
-
-An endpoint SHOULD use data from unprotected or 0-RTT-protected `ACK` frames
-only during the initial handshake and while they have insufficient information
-from 1-RTT-protected `ACK` frames.  Once sufficient information has been
-obtained from protected messages, information obtained from less reliable
-sources can be discarded.
+Endpoints MUST NOT use an `ACK` frame in an unprotected packet to acknowledge
+packets that were protected by 0-RTT or 1-RTT keys.  An endpoint MUST ignore an
+`ACK` frame in an unprotected packet if it claims to acknowledge data that was

So the endpoint needs to ignore the entire ack frame if any packets acknowledged were protected?

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +packets that were protected by 0-RTT or 1-RTT keys.  An endpoint MUST ignore an
+`ACK` frame in an unprotected packet if it claims to acknowledge data that was
+sent in a protected packet.  Such an acknowledgement can only serve as a denial
+of service, since an endpoint that can read protected data is always able to
+send protected data.
+
+Note:
+
+: 0-RTT data can be acknowledged by the server as it receives it, but any
+  packets containing acknowledgments of 0-RTT data cannot have packet protection
+  removed by the client until the entire server handshake is received by the
+  client.
+
+An endpoint SHOULD use data from `ACK` frames carried in unprotected or
+0-RTT-protected packets only during the initial handshake and while they have
+insufficient information from `ACK` frames in 1-RTT-protected packets.  Once

I'd like to make this stronger if possible. How about "only before they have received an 'ACK' frame in a 1-RTT protected packet. Once they have received an ack frame in a 1-RTT protected packet, all ack frames with less protection MUST be ignored."

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -
-An endpoint SHOULD use data from unprotected or 0-RTT-protected `ACK` frames
-only during the initial handshake and while they have insufficient information
-from 1-RTT-protected `ACK` frames.  Once sufficient information has been
-obtained from protected messages, information obtained from less reliable
-sources can be discarded.
+Endpoints MUST NOT use an `ACK` frame in an unprotected packet to acknowledge
+packets that were protected by 0-RTT or 1-RTT keys.  An endpoint MUST ignore an
+`ACK` frame in an unprotected packet if it claims to acknowledge data that was
+sent in a protected packet.  Such an acknowledgement can only serve as a denial
+of service, since an endpoint that can read protected data is always able to
+send protected data.
+
+Note:
+
+: 0-RTT data can be acknowledged by the server as it receives it, but any

I'm not sure how this note is helpful. The server has to send all acks either unprotected or in 1RTT packets, correct? If so, it seems simpler to say "0-RTT data can be acknowledged by the server as it is received, but it must be send with 1-RTT protection."?

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Ok, that makes sense.

One observation that such a multiplexing client would need to be especia= lly careful with QUIC packets featuring unknown Connection IDs.

if we carry the server-chosen connection ID in transport params, we can = be assured that the client will have this ID by the time it is trying to de= crypt 1-RTT-encrypted packets

If the client receives 1-RTT-encrypted packet from the server before it = received a packet with QUIC TLS transport params (server-chosen connection = ID), quic-tls ("9.3. Receiving Out-of-Order Protected Frames") says that th= e client may store those packets and later decrypt them. If the client is = in the process of negotiating multiple connections using the same 5-tuple, = it will not be able to rely on a 5-tuple to identify a specific QUIC connec= tion it is trying to negotiate and will need to do something more clever. T= hat client would also need to be clever enough to know when it can and cann= ot send a stateless reset in response to a packet with a connection id it i= s not aware of.

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Should we allow acknowledgment of 0-RTT with - unprotected frames? If we don't, then 0-RTT data will be unacknowledged until - the handshake completes. This isn't a problem if the handshake completes - without loss, but it could mean that 0-RTT stalls when a handshake packet - disappears for any reason. - -An endpoint SHOULD use data from unprotected or 0-RTT-protected `ACK` frames -only during the initial handshake and while they have insufficient information -from 1-RTT-protected `ACK` frames. Once sufficient information has been -obtained from protected messages, information obtained from less reliable -sources can be discarded. +Endpoints MUST NOT use an `ACK` frame in an unprotected packet to acknowledge +packets that were protected by 0-RTT or 1-RTT keys. An endpoint MUST ignore an +`ACK` frame in an unprotected packet if it claims to acknowledge data that was I'm applying principles we agreed: if it looks like trash, throw it out. This ensures that a disruptive presence has to guess everything correctly in order for their disruption to be successful. I'd say throw out the entire packet, but that might not be possible (other stuff might have been processed, and we don't want to ask implementations to rewind their TLS state machine, for instance). > - -An endpoint SHOULD use data from unprotected or 0-RTT-protected `ACK` frames -only during the initial handshake and while they have insufficient information -from 1-RTT-protected `ACK` frames. Once sufficient information has been -obtained from protected messages, information obtained from less reliable -sources can be discarded. +Endpoints MUST NOT use an `ACK` frame in an unprotected packet to acknowledge +packets that were protected by 0-RTT or 1-RTT keys. An endpoint MUST ignore an +`ACK` frame in an unprotected packet if it claims to acknowledge data that was +sent in a protected packet. Such an acknowledgement can only serve as a denial +of service, since an endpoint that can read protected data is always able to +send protected data. + +Note: + +: 0-RTT data can be acknowledged by the server as it receives it, but any The point here is to highlight a problem with this requirement, not to restate the requirement to protect ACK frames. The problem is that the server handshake might not be complete from the perspective of the client. That leads to the client not having 1-RTT keys. Which then leads to the client being unable to read those ACK frames. > +packets that were protected by 0-RTT or 1-RTT keys. An endpoint MUST ignore an +`ACK` frame in an unprotected packet if it claims to acknowledge data that was +sent in a protected packet. Such an acknowledgement can only serve as a denial +of service, since an endpoint that can read protected data is always able to +send protected data. + +Note: + +: 0-RTT data can be acknowledged by the server as it receives it, but any + packets containing acknowledgments of 0-RTT data cannot have packet protection + removed by the client until the entire server handshake is received by the + client. + +An endpoint SHOULD use data from `ACK` frames carried in unprotected or +0-RTT-protected packets only during the initial handshake and while they have +insufficient information from `ACK` frames in 1-RTT-protected packets. Once I think that we could be even stronger. See revision. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -ISSUE:
-
-: What about 0-RTT data?  Should we allow acknowledgment of 0-RTT with
-  unprotected frames?  If we don't, then 0-RTT data will be unacknowledged until
-  the handshake completes.  This isn't a problem if the handshake completes
-  without loss, but it could mean that 0-RTT stalls when a handshake packet
-  disappears for any reason.
-
-An endpoint SHOULD use data from unprotected or 0-RTT-protected `ACK` frames
-only during the initial handshake and while they have insufficient information
-from 1-RTT-protected `ACK` frames.  Once sufficient information has been
-obtained from protected messages, information obtained from less reliable
-sources can be discarded.
+Endpoints MUST NOT use an `ACK` frame in an unprotected packet to acknowledge
+packets that were protected by 0-RTT or 1-RTT keys.  An endpoint MUST ignore an
+`ACK` frame in an unprotected packet if it claims to acknowledge data that was

I'm applying principles we agreed: if it looks like trash, throw it out. This ensures that a disruptive presence has to guess everything correctly in order for their disruption to be successful. I'd say throw out the entire packet, but that might not be possible (other stuff might have been processed, and we don't want to ask implementations to rewind their TLS state machine, for instance).

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -
-An endpoint SHOULD use data from unprotected or 0-RTT-protected `ACK` frames
-only during the initial handshake and while they have insufficient information
-from 1-RTT-protected `ACK` frames.  Once sufficient information has been
-obtained from protected messages, information obtained from less reliable
-sources can be discarded.
+Endpoints MUST NOT use an `ACK` frame in an unprotected packet to acknowledge
+packets that were protected by 0-RTT or 1-RTT keys.  An endpoint MUST ignore an
+`ACK` frame in an unprotected packet if it claims to acknowledge data that was
+sent in a protected packet.  Such an acknowledgement can only serve as a denial
+of service, since an endpoint that can read protected data is always able to
+send protected data.
+
+Note:
+
+: 0-RTT data can be acknowledged by the server as it receives it, but any

The point here is to highlight a problem with this requirement, not to restate the requirement to protect ACK frames. The problem is that the server handshake might not be complete from the perspective of the client. That leads to the client not having 1-RTT keys. Which then leads to the client being unable to read those ACK frames.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +packets that were protected by 0-RTT or 1-RTT keys.  An endpoint MUST ignore an
+`ACK` frame in an unprotected packet if it claims to acknowledge data that was
+sent in a protected packet.  Such an acknowledgement can only serve as a denial
+of service, since an endpoint that can read protected data is always able to
+send protected data.
+
+Note:
+
+: 0-RTT data can be acknowledged by the server as it receives it, but any
+  packets containing acknowledgments of 0-RTT data cannot have packet protection
+  removed by the client until the entire server handshake is received by the
+  client.
+
+An endpoint SHOULD use data from `ACK` frames carried in unprotected or
+0-RTT-protected packets only during the initial handshake and while they have
+insufficient information from `ACK` frames in 1-RTT-protected packets.  Once

I think that we could be even stronger. See revision.

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----==_mimepart_598bdd06b9fec_6cf03fec25f3fc2c6816-- From nobody Wed Aug 9 21:13:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7585132545 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 21:13:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0G1p227tFeZo for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 21:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77758132491 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2017 21:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2017 21:13:17 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1502338397; bh=mcNFmb3qdD3oB1L0ouc/iwUvaJbEgZyz3VAJshOzYRs=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bTDQqYMadQ10E6oND5YTJ83Wn5JQgTK5V0zGOuJHBzUisddanQ5V2J4xXsi6MnSCU aUBe/ZswPA+BKZzm5muwe+g+DXsWKhlg+OeNdj+tt2TY1eHG8W9Mz4IHlEENVzDwXx WrY4vte0owazdr1qdedWbeD5lJmVgE3tm1avDLnE= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Revise text on ACK frames prior to handshake completion (#719) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_598bdd5db018e_214733ffc30d73c341422ea"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 04:13:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_598bdd5db018e_214733ffc30d73c341422ea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > -ISSUE: - -: What about 0-RTT data? Should we allow acknowledgment of 0-RTT with - unprotected frames? If we don't, then 0-RTT data will be unacknowledged until - the handshake completes. This isn't a problem if the handshake completes - without loss, but it could mean that 0-RTT stalls when a handshake packet - disappears for any reason. - -An endpoint SHOULD use data from unprotected or 0-RTT-protected `ACK` frames -only during the initial handshake and while they have insufficient information -from 1-RTT-protected `ACK` frames. Once sufficient information has been -obtained from protected messages, information obtained from less reliable -sources can be discarded. +Endpoints MUST NOT use an `ACK` frame in an unprotected packet to acknowledge +packets that were protected by 0-RTT or 1-RTT keys. An endpoint MUST ignore an +`ACK` frame in an unprotected packet if it claims to acknowledge data that was That would work, and would be consistent with the other principle (don't do too much about interference prior to agreeing on keys). > - -An endpoint SHOULD use data from unprotected or 0-RTT-protected `ACK` frames -only during the initial handshake and while they have insufficient information -from 1-RTT-protected `ACK` frames. Once sufficient information has been -obtained from protected messages, information obtained from less reliable -sources can be discarded. +Endpoints MUST NOT use an `ACK` frame in an unprotected packet to acknowledge +packets that were protected by 0-RTT or 1-RTT keys. An endpoint MUST ignore an +`ACK` frame in an unprotected packet if it claims to acknowledge data that was +sent in a protected packet. Such an acknowledgement can only serve as a denial +of service, since an endpoint that can read protected data is always able to +send protected data. + +Note: + +: 0-RTT data can be acknowledged by the server as it receives it, but any "will not" implies lack of will, whereas cannot is correct - it's impossible (or a cryptographically-enforced equivalent thereof). I will explain why though. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/719#discussion_r132359764 ----==_mimepart_598bdd5db018e_214733ffc30d73c341422ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -ISSUE:
-
-: What about 0-RTT data?  Should we allow acknowledgment of 0-RTT with
-  unprotected frames?  If we don't, then 0-RTT data will be unacknowledged until
-  the handshake completes.  This isn't a problem if the handshake completes
-  without loss, but it could mean that 0-RTT stalls when a handshake packet
-  disappears for any reason.
-
-An endpoint SHOULD use data from unprotected or 0-RTT-protected `ACK` frames
-only during the initial handshake and while they have insufficient information
-from 1-RTT-protected `ACK` frames.  Once sufficient information has been
-obtained from protected messages, information obtained from less reliable
-sources can be discarded.
+Endpoints MUST NOT use an `ACK` frame in an unprotected packet to acknowledge
+packets that were protected by 0-RTT or 1-RTT keys.  An endpoint MUST ignore an
+`ACK` frame in an unprotected packet if it claims to acknowledge data that was

That would work, and would be consistent with the other principle (don't do too much about interference prior to agreeing on keys).

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -
-An endpoint SHOULD use data from unprotected or 0-RTT-protected `ACK` frames
-only during the initial handshake and while they have insufficient information
-from 1-RTT-protected `ACK` frames.  Once sufficient information has been
-obtained from protected messages, information obtained from less reliable
-sources can be discarded.
+Endpoints MUST NOT use an `ACK` frame in an unprotected packet to acknowledge
+packets that were protected by 0-RTT or 1-RTT keys.  An endpoint MUST ignore an
+`ACK` frame in an unprotected packet if it claims to acknowledge data that was
+sent in a protected packet.  Such an acknowledgement can only serve as a denial
+of service, since an endpoint that can read protected data is always able to
+send protected data.
+
+Note:
+
+: 0-RTT data can be acknowledged by the server as it receives it, but any

"will not" implies lack of will, whereas cannot is correct - it's impossible (or a cryptographically-enforced equivalent thereof). I will explain why though.

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----==_mimepart_598ca3b219138_757a3ff07bb9fc34712fd-- From nobody Thu Aug 10 11:31:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96AE2132406 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 11:31:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.595 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.595 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kChdCpDZpCNr for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 11:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21B721323B1 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 11:31:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=GrjQiL7kb/DkMsviBeOgExr0Wr0=; b=QcVz6qRQuJ6d8bUU 0Udv68bFV6gOuPUO9f7qsU+w4Jjj6v3LLK5OaApRoDOHZOZyqjluYyHvUWCtknVB LLsPDhn42mD79xvhF77AbkYTZRSC6ekb8YqW/zejlfRt1HTxCUFKNlkzy/8QCFCh 6BLf4PCSf6cX07N9qAXFNdALfYA= Received: by filter0441p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0441p1mdw1-1484-598CA66A-22 2017-08-10 18:31:06.382018066 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0031p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 2WTNrHMDSCWtrVeZ06Rh-w for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 18:31:06.365 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 18:31:06 +0000 (UTC) From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Multiple connections on the same port (#714) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_598ca66a1295b_137d3fc6db9f1c306937d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2GCNs5BZKk5kKpATjL9jsCj4NJjvhXZJ6xvv CDc/dFu0g7dHKceQsX9VpFceb8/+inTTkkZAbZ/W/5/4Qpb4BzIcRgs/POZQUnL3LSKLyAAZZseJzh JBd/s2uRlPO+AimOPKH+5sYULXVl8UwHp2TWSb37NnU6U4Mcr01np39XiiGuK6rLKLNgPCNmhr2BT+ w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 18:31:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_598ca66a1295b_137d3fc6db9f1c306937d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good point. In this case, the client would have to maintain a shared buffer for undecrypted packets that arrive on the socket but cannot be assigned to a connection yet, or some such logic. That seems fine as the responsibility of a client that is choosing to multiplex connections over the same 5-tuple. As for Stateless Reset, that is only sent by the server, and the connection ID is clear in that case. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/714#issuecomment-321635782 ----==_mimepart_598ca66a1295b_137d3fc6db9f1c306937d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Good point. In this case, the client would have to maintain a shared buf= fer for undecrypted packets that arrive on the socket but cannot be assigne= d to a connection yet, or some such logic. That seems fine as the responsib= ility of a client that is choosing to multiplex connections over the same 5= -tuple.

As for Stateless Reset, that is only sent by the server, and the connect= ion ID is clear in that case.

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It still needs fleshing out with details of how long to wait around and so forth, but I hope that it's a reasonable start. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/721 -- Commit Summary -- * Refactor the section on connection termination -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (99) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/721.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/721.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/721 ----==_mimepart_598d2b0f30bfa_71c73fe09a2b7c345838 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This makes progress toward #61, but doesn't actually commit to a particular design. It still needs fleshing out with details of how long to wait around and so forth, but I hope that it's a reasonable start.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/721

Commit Summary

  • Refactor the section on connection termination

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Application error codes can be used for both connection and stream errors and are under the control of the application protocol. Transport error codes are QUIC-controlled, but can only terminate the connection. To fix this, I had to add IANA considerations for error codes, plus a few extra tweaks. I think that the error code space could be narrowed to 16 bits after this, if only to keep things sane. Closes #132. (I've stacked this on top of #721 because I don't like managing conflicts and this touches the same general area.) You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/722 -- Commit Summary -- * Refactor the section on connection termination * Split error code space * s/Public Reset/Stateless Reset/ -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (41) M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (323) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/722.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/722.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/722 ----==_mimepart_598d3a612dd2_26de3fe9169c9c3c15161 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This creates two orthogonal spaces for error codes. Application error codes
can be used for both connection and stream errors and are under the control of
the application protocol. Transport error codes are QUIC-controlled, but can
only terminate the connection.

To fix this, I had to add IANA considerations for error codes, plus a few extra
tweaks. I think that the error code space could be narrowed to 16 bits after
this, if only to keep things sane.

Closes #132.

(I've stacked this on top of #721 because I don't like managing conflicts and this touches the same general area.)

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/722

Commit Summary

  • Refactor the section on connection termination
  • Split error code space
  • s/Public Reset/Stateless Reset/

File Changes

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We don't need the enormous space that we have. A 16-bit value is adequate. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/723 -- Commit Summary -- * Make error codes smaller -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (4) M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (26) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/723.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/723.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/723 ----==_mimepart_598d3f54d89eb_43d03fa47c6d7c38153d7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

With #722, the error code space is much more tightly defined. We don't need the enormous space that we have. A 16-bit value is adequate.

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This adds a section on that. This was originally motivated by #570, where the rules for what to generate a Version Negotiation packet for were a little unclear. Now though, this is a far more comprehensive description of what to do with a packet that is received. For #570, I've chosen to limit packet size. If the packet is too small, then this requires the server to drop the packet. In response to the potential for a future version of QUIC to define a smaller initial packet (@mikkelfj raised this point), I've included advice on what might be done to avoid having packets discarded. I realize that we don't have a patch that sets the packet size to 1200. I'm going to write that one now. 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This adds a section on that. This was originally motivated by #570, where the rules for what to generate a Version Negotiation packet for were a little unclear. Now though, this is a far more comprehensive description of what to do with a packet that is received. For #570, I've chosen to limit packet size. If the packet is too small, then this requires the server to drop the packet. In response to the potential for a future version of QUIC to define a smaller initial packet (@mikkelfj raised this point), I've included advice on what might be done to avoid having packets discarded. I realize that we don't have a patch that sets the packet size to 1200. I'm going to write that one now. This depends on that. Closes #570. I would also like to do the same to #568, but that will be down to @mcmanus. To the extent that we treat VN as special (see discussion on #693 regarding this), then that will be addressed by the change proposed there. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/724 -- Commit Summary -- * Define requirements for handling packets -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (100) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/724.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/724.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/724 ----==_mimepart_598d54629af63_1a383fd943d15c3410408c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

We never really said how to handle incoming packets. This adds a section on
that. This was originally motivated by #570, where the rules for what to
generate a Version Negotiation packet for were a little unclear.

Now though, this is a far more comprehensive description of what to do with
a packet that is received.

For #570, I've chosen to limit packet size. If the packet is too small, then
this requires the server to drop the packet. In response to the potential for
a future version of QUIC to define a smaller initial packet (@mikkelfj raised
this point), I've included advice on what might be done to avoid having packets
discarded.

I realize that we don't have a patch that sets the packet size to 1200. I'm
going to write that one now. This depends on that.

Closes #570.

I would also like to do the same to #568, but that will be down to @mcmanus. To the extent that we treat VN as special (see discussion on #693 regarding this), then that will be addressed by the change proposed there.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/724

Commit Summary

  • Define requirements for handling packets

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BTW, I didn't see a notification when the extra commits were pushed. Sorry about taking so long to get to this. I think that some of this depends on @ianswett, so this should be a reminder to look at this again. This is generally an improvement, so I'd like to see it merged, but it's a little hard to follow as it is. > QUIC uses a combination of ack information and alarms to detect lost packets. An unacknowledged QUIC packet is marked as lost in one of the following ways: - * A packet is marked as lost if at least one packet that was sent a threshold - number of packets (kReorderingThreshold) after it has been - acknowledged. This indicates that the unacknowledged packet is either lost - or reordered beyond the specified threshold. This mechanism combines both - TCP's FastRetransmit and FACK mechanisms. - - * If a packet is near the tail, where fewer than kReorderingThreshold packets - are sent after it, the sender cannot expect to detect loss based on the - previous mechanism. In this case, a sender uses both ack information and an - alarm to detect loss. Specifically, when the last sent packet is - acknowledged, the sender waits a short period of time to allow for - reordering and then marks any unacknowledged packets as lost. This mechanism + * When at least one packet that was sent a threshold number of packets This is still very hard to parse for me. Does this work? "If a packet is received, packets with significantly lower packet numbers (determined by kReorderingThreshold) that have not been received are marked as lost. This mechanism combines both TCP's ... [citation needed]" > - - * If a packet is near the tail, where fewer than kReorderingThreshold packets - are sent after it, the sender cannot expect to detect loss based on the - previous mechanism. In this case, a sender uses both ack information and an - alarm to detect loss. Specifically, when the last sent packet is - acknowledged, the sender waits a short period of time to allow for - reordering and then marks any unacknowledged packets as lost. This mechanism + * When at least one packet that was sent a threshold number of packets + (kReorderingThreshold) after an unacknowledged packet is acknowledged. This + indicates that the unacknowledged packet is either lost or reordered beyond + the specified threshold. This mechanism combines both TCP's FastRetransmit + and FACK mechanisms. + + * When a short period of time has elapsed after the last sent packet is + acknowledged, with unacknowledged packets near the tail (fewer than + kReorderingThreshold packets sent after them). The sender cannot expect to "If a short period of time has elapsed since the last packet was sent and there are fewer than the reordering threshold (kReorderingThreshold) packets that have been sent since the highest acknowledged packet. A sender will not be able to detect loss based on the reordering threshold in this case, so these packets are considered lost based on a timer. This design is based on the Linux implementation... [citation needed]" > - * Instead of a packet threshold to tolerate reordering, a QUIC sender may use - a time threshold. This allows for senders to be tolerant of short periods of - significant reordering. In this mechanism, a QUIC sender marks a packet as - lost when a packet larger than it is acknowledged and a threshold amount of - time has passed since the packet was sent. +The above mechanisms use a packet threshold to tolerate +reordering. Alternatively, a QUIC sender may use a time threshold. This allows I can't see any change in response to this comment. > - * Handshake packets, which contain STREAM frames for stream 0, are - critical to QUIC transport and crypto negotiation, so a separate alarm - period is used for them. +Handshake packets, which contain STREAM frames for stream 0, are critical to +QUIC transport and crypto negotiation, so a separate (more aggressive) alarm As above, no change apparent here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/536#pullrequestreview-55726445 ----==_mimepart_598d5829b573a_1e3c3fbb01149c301126c7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

BTW, I didn't see a notification when the extra commits were pushed. Sorry about taking so long to get to this.

I think that some of this depends on @ianswett, so this should be a reminder to look at this again. This is generally an improvement, so I'd like to see it merged, but it's a little hard to follow as it is.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  QUIC uses a combination of ack information and alarms to detect lost packets.
 An unacknowledged QUIC packet is marked as lost in one of the following ways:
 
-  * A packet is marked as lost if at least one packet that was sent a threshold
-    number of packets (kReorderingThreshold) after it has been
-    acknowledged. This indicates that the unacknowledged packet is either lost
-    or reordered beyond the specified threshold. This mechanism combines both
-    TCP's FastRetransmit and FACK mechanisms.
-
-  * If a packet is near the tail, where fewer than kReorderingThreshold packets
-    are sent after it, the sender cannot expect to detect loss based on the
-    previous mechanism. In this case, a sender uses both ack information and an
-    alarm to detect loss. Specifically, when the last sent packet is
-    acknowledged, the sender waits a short period of time to allow for
-    reordering and then marks any unacknowledged packets as lost. This mechanism
+  * When at least one packet that was sent a threshold number of packets

This is still very hard to parse for me. Does this work?

"If a packet is received, packets with significantly lower packet numbers (determined by kReorderingThreshold) that have not been received are marked as lost. This mechanism combines both TCP's ... [citation needed]"

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -
-  * If a packet is near the tail, where fewer than kReorderingThreshold packets
-    are sent after it, the sender cannot expect to detect loss based on the
-    previous mechanism. In this case, a sender uses both ack information and an
-    alarm to detect loss. Specifically, when the last sent packet is
-    acknowledged, the sender waits a short period of time to allow for
-    reordering and then marks any unacknowledged packets as lost. This mechanism
+  * When at least one packet that was sent a threshold number of packets
+    (kReorderingThreshold) after an unacknowledged packet is acknowledged. This
+    indicates that the unacknowledged packet is either lost or reordered beyond
+    the specified threshold. This mechanism combines both TCP's FastRetransmit
+    and FACK mechanisms.
+
+  * When a short period of time has elapsed after the last sent packet is
+    acknowledged, with unacknowledged packets near the tail (fewer than
+    kReorderingThreshold packets sent after them). The sender cannot expect to

"If a short period of time has elapsed since the last packet was sent and there are fewer than the reordering threshold (kReorderingThreshold) packets that have been sent since the highest acknowledged packet. A sender will not be able to detect loss based on the reordering threshold in this case, so these packets are considered lost based on a timer. This design is based on the Linux implementation... [citation needed]"

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-  * Instead of a packet threshold to tolerate reordering, a QUIC sender may use
-    a time threshold. This allows for senders to be tolerant of short periods of
-    significant reordering. In this mechanism, a QUIC sender marks a packet as
-    lost when a packet larger than it is acknowledged and a threshold amount of
-    time has passed since the packet was sent.
+The above mechanisms use a packet threshold to tolerate
+reordering. Alternatively, a QUIC sender may use a time threshold. This allows

I can't see any change in response to this comment.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-  * Handshake packets, which contain STREAM frames for stream 0, are
-    critical to QUIC transport and crypto negotiation, so a separate alarm
-    period is used for them.
+Handshake packets, which contain STREAM frames for stream 0, are critical to
+QUIC transport and crypto negotiation, so a separate (more aggressive) alarm

As above, no change apparent here.

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OBE: we decided not to worry about spoofed version negotiation too much. #724 covers the bit we want to keep here.

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Protocols MAY define other +uses for the Related Stream ID field, but are advised that complex relationships +between streams could be poorly supported in generic QUIC implementations. The +INVALID_RELATED_STREAM error code can be used by protocols to signal receipt of +invalid Related Stream ID field values, unless the protocol defines a more +specific error code for the circumstances. + +The Related Stream ID for a stream only needs to be sent once for each (allowing +for retransmissions due to loss). Sending the field on all stream frames with +an offset of 0 ensures that the value is received without duplicating the field +unnecessarily. If the value of the Related Stream ID changes for a stream, the +endpoint that receives the conflicting value MUST treat this as a connection +error of type INVALID_RELATED_STREAM. First part of paragraph could be shortened a bit to just state the related stream id is only sent in the first frame with offset zero (allowing for retransmission). Second part of the paragraph is unclear - what does it mean to receive different ID's? It can only happen during retransmission because offset 0 can only be sent once. If due to retransmission, the protocol logic should only see one version and discard duplicates without interpretation (general protocol logic, though this might be not be explicit). The second part could also be interpreted as if the original referenced stream can only be associated with a single stream and using multiple would be an error. But I do not believe this is the intention, and if it is, I don't think it is reasonable to place any restrictions here. But - it might be good to add a note stating the a field may be referenced 0, 1, or more times depending on application semantics. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +This document doesn't proscribe the use of the Related Stream ID field, leaving
+decisions about the semantics of related streams to protocols that use QUIC.
+Protocols that use QUIC MUST either define the semantics of related streams or
+prohibit the use of the Related Stream ID field.  Protocols MAY define other
+uses for the Related Stream ID field, but are advised that complex relationships
+between streams could be poorly supported in generic QUIC implementations.  The
+INVALID_RELATED_STREAM error code can be used by protocols to signal receipt of
+invalid Related Stream ID field values, unless the protocol defines a more
+specific error code for the circumstances.
+
+The Related Stream ID for a stream only needs to be sent once for each (allowing
+for retransmissions due to loss).  Sending the field on all stream frames with
+an offset of 0 ensures that the value is received without duplicating the field
+unnecessarily.  If the value of the Related Stream ID changes for a stream, the
+endpoint that receives the conflicting value MUST treat this as a connection
+error of type INVALID_RELATED_STREAM.

First part of paragraph could be shortened a bit to just state the related stream id is only sent in the first frame with offset zero (allowing for retransmission).

Second part of the paragraph is unclear - what does it mean to receive different ID's? It can only happen during retransmission because offset 0 can only be sent once. If due to retransmission, the protocol logic should only see one version and discard duplicates without interpretation (general protocol logic, though this might be not be explicit).

The second part could also be interpreted as if the original referenced stream can only be associated with a single stream and using multiple would be an error. But I do not believe this is the intention, and if it is, I don't think it is reasonable to place any restrictions here. But - it might be good to add a note stating the a field may be referenced 0, 1, or more times depending on application semantics.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +invalid Related Stream ID field values, unless the protocol defines a more
+specific error code for the circumstances.
+
+The Related Stream ID for a stream only needs to be sent once for each (allowing
+for retransmissions due to loss).  Sending the field on all stream frames with
+an offset of 0 ensures that the value is received without duplicating the field
+unnecessarily.  If the value of the Related Stream ID changes for a stream, the
+endpoint that receives the conflicting value MUST treat this as a connection
+error of type INVALID_RELATED_STREAM.
+
+A related stream MUST NOT refer to a stream in the "idle" state
+({{stream-state-idle}}).  Receipt of a STREAM frame that includes a Related
+Stream ID field that identifies an "idle" stream MUST be treated as a connection
+error of type INVALID_RELATED_STREAM.
+
+
 ## Sending and Receiving Data

Isn't this redundant from earlier paragraph line 2229?

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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +This document doesn't proscribe the use of the Related Stream ID field, leaving
+decisions about the semantics of related streams to protocols that use QUIC.
+Protocols that use QUIC MUST either define the semantics of related streams or
+prohibit the use of the Related Stream ID field.  Protocols MAY define other
+uses for the Related Stream ID field, but are advised that complex relationships
+between streams could be poorly supported in generic QUIC implementations.  The
+INVALID_RELATED_STREAM error code can be used by protocols to signal receipt of
+invalid Related Stream ID field values, unless the protocol defines a more
+specific error code for the circumstances.
+
+The Related Stream ID for a stream only needs to be sent once for each (allowing
+for retransmissions due to loss).  Sending the field on all stream frames with
+an offset of 0 ensures that the value is received without duplicating the field
+unnecessarily.  If the value of the Related Stream ID changes for a stream, the
+endpoint that receives the conflicting value MUST treat this as a connection
+error of type INVALID_RELATED_STREAM.

My initial comment was thinking about packet duplicates which is not reasonable since frames are retransmitted independently of packets. However, each steam has its own retransmission filter and here I believe the same applies: already received content should be ignored - it is not reasonable to check all received retransmission for inconsistencies, and related stream ID would just be a special case - unless I am missing something?

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One observation that such a multiplexing client would need to be especia= lly careful with QUIC packets featuring unknown Connection IDs.

Due to packet spoofing and port guessing this is/should also be a concer= n with 5-tuples during initial handshake - relying on connection IDs ought = to signficantly reduce this concern because it is difficult to guess off pa= th. But I agree that this must be considered regardless.

However, is it strictly relevant to buffer unknown packets. It is much s= impler to drop them when there isn't yet an established context to hook the= m up to and it does protect against random noise/attacks. It will only be r= elevant in the rearly connection setup. I'm just guessing here, but for flo= w control it might not be a bad thing to register a dropped packet because = clearly there is some performance issue unless it is trivial reordering - a= nd multi-channel reordering typically happens in larger bulks I believe. So= , optimizing performance under adverse conditions might not be the best opt= ion. A typical attacker could force dropped packets by overflowing network = and router queues and here end-point buffering would add some reselience, b= ut then, most end-point buffering would likely be from adversary.

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MAX_DATA doesn't apply to stream 0, but MAX_STREAM_DATA does. The server can increase the space available for the second flight of client handshake messages, but the client can't increase the space available to the server. The initial value (in the client's transport parameters) determines how much space the server has to send.

Is this a problem? should we exempt stream 0 (maybe just until the handshake completes)? or should we just advise against setting the value too low?

Note that the value is immutable, if a client wants a low value for general use, that might be a problem for the handshake. I'm inclined to say that stream 0 can exceed the limit up until the point that the handshake completes, after which the limit strictly applies. Then, if it has exceeded the limit, the server can't send anything until the client gives it more budget.

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----==_mimepart_598d86c6bb55d_2c963f9de5e97c2c359fc-- From nobody Fri Aug 11 07:37:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23F01321B7 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 07:37:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cRmEZ2CTAxYD for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 07:37:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6291613201A for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 07:37:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=OyBqDsrcSXwO/eV7n2jY053qdMc=; b=od+l5Z5+3zaxaSCV xp51F/QMgkelFwLTdnDmCtnQgaX+CmV9yR+z4O1vj+tsi4yhR2AzhV73vwBOC9KE rMP/LHFzbjfU/DbeSVMhz7GZBXP9u2z4dUlH+uHiMpfK5IXEvlF3P166pB7DPVW4 2Lpry9eOJAx7O0JhCKa1HMZXJzM= Received: by filter0565p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0565p1mdw1-3497-598DC0BE-A 2017-08-11 14:35:42.192422552 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0035p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id lXSG374vQ6KVuwL2xl9_YQ for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 14:35:42.158 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 14:35:42 +0000 (UTC) From: Patrick McManus Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Define requirements for handling packets (#724) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_598dc0bda6989_6a503f8932ab9c303657e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mcmanus X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0V5aLrj2k0ABSE9K9fHZ+eD44p5OD0adx0zf qKcKN3mXlvJBxRr+I0WFQ3dY+nwDEE4XmO7sAeshW6bV+DqEQpTmJK7lGpC/QlL7JAFmk9nsZk5Ttl tu/ZZNKowawlnF58O5Ws3MnLtZ3i/v7BSuom2DvNRiGq9CTKoL4mObCWk1jakAQsxP/c1UXCS6UaL3 s= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 14:37:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_598dc0bda6989_6a503f8932ab9c303657e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I suppose fixing the long-header-bit and the min-size is enough for closing #568 in practice. I really appreciate this PR btw - good stuff. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/724#issuecomment-321830582 ----==_mimepart_598dc0bda6989_6a503f8932ab9c303657e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I suppose fixing the long-header-bit and the min-size is enough for closing #568 in practice.

I really appreciate this PR btw - good stuff.

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----==_mimepart_598dc0bda6989_6a503f8932ab9c303657e-- From nobody Sat Aug 12 22:22:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36F913242A for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 22:22:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JLynOeL-x3kL for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 22:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext7.iad.github.net [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B1731321BA for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 22:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 22:22:22 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1502601742; bh=vqHdx4ahtzE3+qQjiz13vkt1ydYT/6r06Ge4nqJC1UM=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=SBRrojDzj5OrYw6uxQGLkmtPtoGoB8lhWsIgf3jzNkPo3tT6fAZtfugnBB+PG3yHP +TtdoVXUaBGgHRdf4sPT8Vwv4LYJEhKMwDu8Uwn7rV6FDzHXhkMWyb8dXntjDQWJU5 8IQVP3Z8Bxd+OUPYqKzrd3lk8C+L+x4NixGKJHo0= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] New text in section 7.3.1 of transport spec uses same code for stateless reset and packet length (#726) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_598fe20e90031_47ff3fa8c2597c34990a4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2017 05:22:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_598fe20e90031_47ff3fa8c2597c34990a4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The extension code 5 is used twice in section 7.3.1: > ... > stateless_reset_token (0x0005): > The Stateless Reset Token is used in verifying a stateless reset, see Section 7.8. This parameter is a sequence of 16 octets. > > An endpoint MAY use the following transport parameters: > > omit_connection_id (0x0004): > The omit connection identifier parameter indicates that packets sent to the endpoint that advertises this parameter can omit the connection ID. This can be used by an endpoint where it knows that source and destination IP address and port are sufficient for it to identify a connection. This parameter is zero length. Absence this parameter indicates that the endpoint relies on the connection ID being present in every packet. > max_packet_size (0x0005): > The maximum packet size parameter places a limit on the size of packets that the endpoint is willing to receive, encoded as an unsigned 16-bit integer. This indicates that packets larger than this limit will be dropped. The default for this parameter is the maximum permitted UDP payload of 65527. Values below 1200 are invalid. This limit only applies to protected packets (Section 5.5). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/726 ----==_mimepart_598fe20e90031_47ff3fa8c2597c34990a4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The extension code 5 is used twice in section 7.3.1:

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stateless_reset_token (0x0005):
The Stateless Reset Token is used in verifying a stateless reset, see Section 7.8. This parameter is a sequence of 16 octets.

An endpoint MAY use the following transport parameters:

omit_connection_id (0x0004):
The omit connection identifier parameter indicates that packets sent to the endpoint that advertises this parameter can omit the connection ID. This can be used by an endpoint where it knows that source and destination IP address and port are sufficient for it to identify a connection. This parameter is zero length. Absence this parameter indicates that the endpoint relies on the connection ID being present in every packet.
max_packet_size (0x0005):
The maximum packet size parameter places a limit on the size of packets that the endpoint is willing to receive, encoded as an unsigned 16-bit integer. This indicates that packets larger than this limit will be dropped. The default for this parameter is the maximum permitted UDP payload of 65527. Values below 1200 are invalid. This limit only applies to protected packets (Section 5.5).

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Also, do we expect the token to be provided by both servers and clients?

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_599122ec8615a_1fc53f8c05821c4012186a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 04:11:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_599122ec8615a_1fc53f8c05821c4012186a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: c32c3788a298bdcca5d8d5f15b1e4602134febc6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c32c3788a298bdcca5d8d5f15b1e4602134febc6 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-10 (Thu, 10 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Revise text on ACK frames prior to handshake completion This extensively used language like "protected ACK frames", which is incorrect. I fixed that here, recognizing that more extensive fixes are probably needed. I also just made the observation that the server might acknowledge 0-RTT, but the client might be unable to read those ACK frames, which closes #221. Commit: 230589fe68637ba7954a4c177e5bb5069900b385 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/230589fe68637ba7954a4c177e5bb5069900b385 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-10 (Thu, 10 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Strength requirement Commit: d19b7f8a11f08062e726258ea5389127ecd13628 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d19b7f8a11f08062e726258ea5389127ecd13628 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-10 (Thu, 10 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Harder again Commit: 958070da8d709afeeb65784e6aadda91b5bb4902 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/958070da8d709afeeb65784e6aadda91b5bb4902 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-14 (Mon, 14 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #719 from quicwg/ack-0rtt Revise text on ACK frames prior to handshake completion Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/a26b04eed9f1...958070da8d70 ----==_mimepart_599122ec8615a_1fc53f8c05821c4012186a-- From nobody Sun Aug 13 21:11:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D182B1241F5 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 21:11:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nFqqnm-u6xQc for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 21:11:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AFC3112420B for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 21:11:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=FW6hGmDCEOeJB8kwbhU6K8QQGCM=; b=vzl+7k5qT5wrMXWI 2kBe93jb1/8z6aelHh2EOPKNODI+dp5ZttwCJM3f5f5VUsT7dGKZQxVfONISJ3M0 PBWyeSaqytwuBD2Cxps5v8vQMKfFhRnhESDsBr36WRPQxdjZjO56928b++G5aF3J t0GfVUEFB8ekMpXoWIhxp0SjCWI= Received: by filter0945p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0945p1mdw1-10894-599122ED-55 2017-08-14 04:11:25.881760504 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0040p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 2JQsrc0lRYqvcAPx4TYUZw for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 04:11:25.951 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 04:11:26 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] 0RTT ACKs (#221) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_599122edb793a_112813f964c2b5c38889c2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0RSAW8aMd1wZQHMKR9YFXeS4VbetZwqJnP6u 8lBUaJaRrmuw+xSYl12XsK7xZYggXaOBeWcoY6q0IvgcDAakMqCjdjtnuHLOuaV4dSRQW0vhnvzHUh RaTcyT3bzNMA32RQBGv4zetcCjj2T3RLVtz1e/c9Nlq2dXUzzOZFxyyFQSSA7shAgDuUIUUw1xRr+K k= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 04:11:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_599122edb793a_112813f964c2b5c38889c2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #221 via #719. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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----==_mimepart_599123b8abac_124803f964c2b5c3887091-- From nobody Sun Aug 13 21:14:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B2AB1241F5 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 21:14:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dh2QXRe46oVb for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 21:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E27BF124217 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 21:14:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=Di8NSV95wPpYTXWyo2MIWQzGxdw=; b=ge5rxgVGvOUZCCmF 3MUVpQsl1Y3VaB3gfunXFkqhGDB8Yo+Z6xP8pPhFGlTYVHG3+C0Z8l33mu+n2KJU y0amwcwJlHTMJTT0iO4g8OS+2seSXCSn8GP2104aO5j8jhOSY6HDtxmnnTAUI1BW XQgW5iGsqUqB03dHZrzvUXmjBxE= Received: by filter0837p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0837p1mdw1-7175-599123B9-1A 2017-08-14 04:14:49.287685606 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0024p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id l_oMpQpYTOK1ZkKHF9Wjww for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 04:14:49.237 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 04:14:49 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Promising more than the client concurrency limit (#281) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_599123b8d1c3a_2dd33f97ec3afc3c206f6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2Cdkhx7aX44CwJgTWoS5ET0CxX2sKuGQZwiR iDmxkG9yiKMuaaRvYjUDZSlWxnAdcscCsXXT7zOsRmEIU9+hjzGyYp2wUMG9n23AEG+Da61ub+B/R7 ILdN6v0hECiNp4jTDJ285IzoT0hWWdhXy6y3W23c4r+DJ3HgNM+DMIE5qqxIYrAfA80l3gYqx2EEzc 0= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 04:14:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_599123b8d1c3a_2dd33f97ec3afc3c206f6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #281. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/281#event-1204171993 ----==_mimepart_599123b8d1c3a_2dd33f97ec3afc3c206f6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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----==_mimepart_599123b8d1c3a_2dd33f97ec3afc3c206f6-- From nobody Sun Aug 13 21:24:43 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10116124217 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 21:24:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m4o0GFCAoaZi for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 21:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E9C31241F5 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 21:24:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=lBUUyIb9V8ZhwDRDmwZG66pmsMo=; b=b10AZz72QcwmRwFe EyQ82ooT4y3CTQVFCEmjrEhQQkYg0B9G+aKtSg4r7gEzqe7dFg1gHgLYD+1ZC2gr bUEyoJ16uwi808frry/OtXJirAkK4h3LqeWbf6st5P9CqD/XeubinzXRdOICiY90 487sKUu2okYmUnXnRy+S8ncNDww= Received: by filter1106p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1106p1mdw1-31815-59912607-17 2017-08-14 04:24:39.309731964 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0040p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 0H1XtpIaQqe6whSoiV27Cg for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 04:24:39.283 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 04:24:39 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] End-to-Path Close Signal (#602) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5991260714b68_5d653f8898fcfc3c177259"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak22oWTh9GoYH9nW8q6DnxB0pWvkCFlXzKpUqs O0wFvklQu95BFJoQhroScrKAIjjOpxat2KcXpo8jtly4/LAgUocPwywliBIOEN8j+6V8BwdMrIjGyY lWcxYopGLXlNX+7EzLngrdJFvkSdWfdPe8YphOgapN3icxEzQYLZF1Ov14qNgnAi6HxIpfiQvImciA 8= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 04:24:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5991260714b68_5d653f8898fcfc3c177259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just to make this distinction, which I think is important: The signal that the path needs is a signal that the endpoints no longer intend to use the path. Connection termination (in any form) is only one reason that the path might stop being used, but with migration termination is not comprehensive. You might reasonably argue that migration is often learned of after the fact (especially with user-mode implementations). That would suggest that covering the various termination events with an explicit signal is all that is possible and that is therefore adequate. That said, I'm not sure that this is universally true when it comes to endpoints with multi-interface-aware implementations and make-before-break interface management. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/602#issuecomment-322097301 ----==_mimepart_5991260714b68_5d653f8898fcfc3c177259 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just to make this distinction, which I think is important:

The signal that the path needs is a signal that the endpoints no longer = intend to use the path. Connection termination (in any form) is only one r= eason that the path might stop being used, but with migration termination i= s not comprehensive.

You might reasonably argue that migration is often learned of after the = fact (especially with user-mode implementations). That would suggest that = covering the various termination events with an explicit signal is all that= is possible and that is therefore adequate. That said, I'm not sure that = this is universally true when it comes to endpoints with multi-interface-aw= are implementations and make-before-break interface management.

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Closes #563.

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  • Prohibit acknowledgement of packets with echoed packet numbers
  • Too many lines

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I'd like to hear from server operators whether they see the need for thi= s sort of capability. Otherwise I think that we should park this.

It's certainly possible to define a new frame type (call it MIGRATE) tha= t acts much like the HTTP A= lt-Svc frame. An endpoint that receives it might move to the new trans= port endpoint as soon as feasibly possible. For this, you would want to pa= ir MIGRATE with NEW_CONNECTION_ID so that linkability could be broken.

We'd also have to be careful not to accidentally define multipath, becau= se the natural reaction to this is to retain the old path until the new pat= h has a sufficiently wide congestion window.

In any case, the frame that tests the new path for liveness is necessary= before we address this. See #161 for more on that.

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The anycast support is simpler than general server mobility. Server onl= y need to send the non-unicast address once. They could send the preferred = IP address & port as part of the transport parameter TLS extension, pro= bably together with a new connection ID.

I would also like to see a possibility to MIGRATE later in the connectio= n, but that's a different issue.

I agree that this looks a bit like #161, but on the other hand, server initiated DOS is a muc= h less acute problem that client initiated DOS. Currently, a server can eas= ily send the client a script that will trick the client into bombing random= locations -- I think the great cannon worked just like that. The general d= efense is to identify the server...

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= ----==_mimepart_5991382cd0aa4_b26e3fe2365b5c2c47819-- From nobody Sun Aug 13 22:51:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C156A126B6E for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 22:51:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pYCUzqXsZG2s for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 22:51:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 238E41200B9 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2017 22:51:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=9DmheDk2lDfGGMBpojvNm0WXbCw=; b=ww2pCqN8Nvg506DE dFnYbBbr9JIpwvTh61WfnheCUHDWoDEf69MGrgtutYYK0p+CH0XLCiV/pKYvhF69 mQi55waES2qBcnZC/eKVRSgPWvsRyVW6udDzQ4tMZffpwC7TUGJdkpOeroJPhZOp sjAjPeNK2M7DXdPgLc14F64+Rrg= Received: by filter0417p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0417p1mdw1-20859-59913A6F-31 2017-08-14 05:51:43.956473234 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id iOVKXoS9TlaWVDq-OjIKig for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 05:51:43.982 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 05:51:44 +0000 (UTC) From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] New text in section 7.3.1 of transport spec uses same code for stateless reset token and max packet size (#726) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59913a6fd417e_77463fae1ea3dc3c269e9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2vgXO8IEI8ZoLynLvMs/Y579OeQ2l1CJ4cQ+ IlKEXnvbDiAOfxwdaF+AdodIte7vWcD384hU37seFIyptTJPyVZYSduzAUkXga/xrHwJiuMbV/Mgkm I8oFy9X/oOoj0W76IhH7s/NJTT8rRKcPn+n7boQNK/3ONDd6/xKS6T1nTWZZZMriY7ax1PUgdGZtay Q= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 05:51:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59913a6fd417e_77463fae1ea3dc3c269e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is clearly a typo -- the enum above describes the code as 0x0006. But then, what about "An endpoint MUST include the following parameters in its encoded TransportParameters: ... stateless_reset_token". I cannot see how this applies to clients. The transport parameters of the client are a clear text extension in the clear text client hello. We certainly don't want to send that in clear text! -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/726#issuecomment-322105534 ----==_mimepart_59913a6fd417e_77463fae1ea3dc3c269e9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This is clearly a typo -- the enum above describes the code as 0x0006.

But then, what about "An endpoint MUST include the following parameters = in its encoded TransportParameters: ... stateless_reset_token". I cannot se= e how this applies to clients. The transport parameters of the client are a= clear text extension in the clear text client hello. We certainly don't wa= nt to send that in clear text!

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Say you make the configurable parameters (the ratio of ACK-only packets = to acknowledgments, the delayed acknowledgment timer) known. And say you d= efine two new transport parameters, one for each. What does the recipient = of that information do with this newly acquired knowledge?

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This also corrects the number used in prose.

Closes #726.

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----==_mimepart_59914d3856c27_13e33fa3372d1c38129359-- From nobody Mon Aug 14 00:12:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9054131D26 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 00:12:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l9sGzwYbKaTU for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 00:12:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D8C7131D22 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 00:12:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=kRxjzNRcBVbDqZiAW1Z2FSZvOsw=; b=AcubAEo6SMiDdMwk s8vXH8YYD4tDVEMbyKroemCPQmqfN+hYqDHJFCSJjIhm4fUcvACStSNx3qAnJvJ4 92iKXQ/vfd1g5O6A793dLnsQVILkASKP7Wobghfz07xOl1WQAgDZAjmPFn8AjNT6 ZaQylcdGVSj0c+9wvm5YH870VIo= Received: by filter0650p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0650p1mdw1-14515-59914D38-1B 2017-08-14 07:11:52.401634944 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0039p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id c0jC8VPfSc2BkST7UycmGQ for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 07:11:52.368 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 07:11:52 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Separate transport parameters for 0-RTT (#126) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59914d381e575_4e793ffd86ff1c34429a9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1wovsTi1VFXSKEuhbxyX4/yPUBilkNcPXWm3 AHhz98Fq9uqz+9A92OYomddyfnlBtddjBhpbcFtqk3348f4mfnN95z1VSmfm//kJqY6WNHyqOFhnWM aT0qTuvn3L1ANTvZi8foof8tdr/s5xqnlsbY+C6QrX4ljH1jxPHdK786lQjbu5G2JGOonfK1kHqPEO Y= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 07:12:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59914d381e575_4e793ffd86ff1c34429a9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not sure why this was reopened. It is [fixed](https://quicwg.github.io/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#zerortt-parameters). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/126#issuecomment-322115594 ----==_mimepart_59914d381e575_4e793ffd86ff1c34429a9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Not sure why this was reopened. It is fixed.

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As a CDN operator this proposal looks valuable to me, in a long lived = connection context (e.g. HTTP etc) quickly moving clients off the anycast= address onto a server specific address provides a reliable means for mac= hines to stop advertising the anycast address when they become busy(loade= d) but still continue to serve existing connections.

As Christian has pointed out the option to also use MIGRATE later in t= he connection is also an interesting concept with value, but that is defi= nitely a different issue.

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Providing the right sort of keep-alive mechanisms is hard. TCP failed at this.

QUIC is currently following in august footsteps. The PING frame description has this text:

The PING frame SHOULD be used to keep a connection alive when a stream is open.

This is bad advice: HTTP will have a stream open always.

What this wants to say is that a connection should be kept alive based on some application-driven signal that the connection is needed. In HTTP, this might be reduced to if you have open requests or unfulfilled server push promises. Other protocols have different keep-alive semantics.

I propose that we do this:

  1. Change the description of the PING frame to say that if the application wishes to keep the connection live, then a PING frame can be sent periodically (along multiple path if maintaining multiple paths is desired). This ensures that middleboxes don't drop state while the connection is still actively in use. We might also say that experience with middleboxes suggests that a number between 15 and 30 seconds ensures that the greatest number of middleboxes will retain state (we can cite REQ-5 of RFC 4787 here and note that the internet sometimes doesn't pay attention to RFCs).

  2. Add to that description a requirement on application protocols. If the protocol requires keep-alive at any time, it should specify the conditions under which a keep-alive is required and the peer that is expected to maintain that keep-alive. Experience with SIP has shown that the server often knows more about the keep-alive timers, so negotiating the time can be more effective than having the client drive things.

  3. Change the HTTP draft to include specific advice on when to maintain the connection and say that the client should drive this.

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In TCP this is would be useful to do a more appropriate RTT and RTO es= timation. However, in QUIC you have more fine grained timing information = in the ACK frame itself, so maybe that's actually not that useful anymore= . However, there is a trade-off between overhead and responsiveness (of =E2= =80=A0he congestion control). I think it would actually be useful to some= kind of negotiation, where the data sender/ack receiver can specify a mi= n and may ack rate, because that peer a) might know something about any a= ccess link restrictions (-> don't send more ACK than this because othe= rwise it will overload my link), and b) know the congestion control use (= my cc scheme needs at least an ack every x packets to function correctly)= .

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= ----==_mimepart_5991770f48a8b_70e3fbafe62dc2c81465-- From nobody Mon Aug 14 03:14:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D443E13217D for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 03:14:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WbOTcFaABLKz for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 03:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 743FC1320E3 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 03:14:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=Fi2MxVMMe6p9x22G3cEzzgq1JPY=; b=dIMaxEU1QEf5an0u 8+iBQbfxjEnMhYjk5bVjQYmpcpweMklKo6q1H5n/LcUna1qWHIlI5hK8f481Zg4E 7SEgvO4BgmBrGUaZL3Fd5k130dViEGFk3n3oJ4ThOa7MuSdaGt97x1GBfWCXSSxz UQCPO4RfoUnokMpLTAnZEjG6SUo= Received: by filter0527p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0527p1mdw1-30272-599177EC-11 2017-08-14 10:14:04.30884544 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0026p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 9SHArU3xR1qDlSDiLaaTrw for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 10:14:04.371 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 10:14:04 +0000 (UTC) From: mirjak Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] IP Anycast with server IP+Port renegotiation (#560) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_599177ebf1f38_2853fadcea4fc344413b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mirjak X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2/uIkrdoxnLbXMcnuN9eXXe8GxYoOzcC4SJO 86C9CkQe9lKdqiFYZ4lB9icgZiJsD6LFxQX4xByJMcdvMiTOlcx2SigMa2YSKcgGoKsP3oRH99OqlQ n7WUZQtr9VLR7PppDZfN6O52u+uATgOLRznIlVCh5swBpTRiXqxprVV9HLYDPFAnMKmm0dEyXJy+h5 A= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 10:14:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_599177ebf1f38_2853fadcea4fc344413b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One side comment, I think any make-before-break solution is basically multipath, and as such we should make sure if we design such a mechanism that it can also be used for multi path correctly. So yes, we shouldn't design multipath by accident but if multipath is what we need for another feature that we would like to support, we should design it as providing both. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/560#issuecomment-322153305 ----==_mimepart_599177ebf1f38_2853fadcea4fc344413b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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While this all sounds good, isn't this basically provided by having a co= nnection close signal from the application? Meaning, if the application did= n't indicate to close the connection, quic keeps the connection open and by= default sends pings every 15-30ms?

I guess you can have another interface where the application can change = the keep alive interval (and potentially set it infinity to never send any)= .

Further, if no keep-alives are used, there are actually also two options= in the case where the application did not close the connection and tries t= o send something but this fails (because path state is gone). Eiter quic ca= n tell the application that it failed, or it could seamlessly try to reconn= ect...

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Adding to @mirjak point on negotiation: c) peer might know about their access link loss conditions, and potentially improve responsiveness by preferring an ACK ratio approaching 1:1.

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This PR has 1 editorial change and 2 design changes to flow control:

  • [editorial] Clarifies the language around stream and connection flow control and makes it match the flow control section.

  • [design] Defines flow control in terms of offsets instead of max data. This means something different, because previously, maxData = 10 indicated that you could only send offset till 9, however with the change, sending maxOffset = 10 means that you can send offset until 10, i.e. 11 bytes. We could alternatively change the language of maxOffset to be MUST be LESS than instead of MUST NOT EXCEED to match maximumData.

  • [design] Makes FIN bit to be flow controllable. This would reduce one edge case where a packet scheduler does not have to do a special check for whether it only needs to send a FIN when it checks for flow control. This has the advantage of being able to define flow control on a stream in terms of offsets rather than max data.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/730

Commit Summary

  • Clarify and and FIN to flow control

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@acmacm, @mirjak, were you talking about ACK ratios for regular packets? Because the discussion was originally about ACK ratios for packets that only contain ACK frames (and padding).

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Thanks, Martin. A few comments, inline. > -received before sending a response. After this time, implementations -SHOULD respond to unexpected packets with a Public Reset packet. - - -## Stateless Reset {#stateless-reset} +of four ways: negotiated shutdown, idle timeout, immediate close, and a +connection reset. + + +### Negotiated Shutdown + +An application protocol might arrange to abandon a connection after negotiating +a graceful shutdown. The application protocol exchanges whatever messages that +are needed to cause both endpoints to agree to close the connection, after which +the connection is closed. A negotiated shutdown might not result in exchanging +messages that are visible to the transport. I don't understand what QUIC mechanism this is discussing -- specifically, why is this a QUIC connection termination mechanism? It seems to suggest that the app can use its own signaling to determine when to shutdown, but what QUIC mechanism is used for shutdown? > +the connection is closed. A negotiated shutdown might not result in exchanging +messages that are visible to the transport. + + +### Idle Timeout + +A connection that remains idle for longer than the idle timeout (see +{{transport-parameter-definitions}} becomes closed. Either peer removes +connection state if they have neither sent nor received a packet for this time. + +The time at which an idle timeout takes effect won't be perfectly synchronized +on peers. Endpoints might allow for the possibility that the remote side might +attempt to send packets before the timeout. In this case, an endpoint might +choose to retain enough information to generate a CONNECTION_CLOSE. Endpoints +MAY instead rely on sending Public Reset in response to packets that arrive +after an idle timeout. I don't think this advice is correct or adequate -- the time can be synchronized reasonably well. I would leave this subsection as is, if it needs to change in the future anyways. > +an endpoint maintains in this case, they MAY send the exact same +CONNECTION_CLOSE packet. + +Note: + +: This intentionally contradicts other advice in this document that recommends + the creation of new packet numbers for every packet. Sending new packet + numbers is primarily of advantage to loss recovery and congestion control, + which are not expected to be relevant for a closed connection. Retransmitting + the final packet requires less state at the server. + +Implementations SHOULD limit the number of CONNECTION_CLOSE messages they +generate. For instance, an implementation could exponentially increase the +number of packets that it receives before sending the packet containing +CONNECTION_CLOSE. Once enough time has passed to allow a peer to receive the +CONNECTION_CLOSE, an endpoint SHOULD discard per-connection state and MAY The current text says idle_timeout period of time, since that's the amount of time after which we expect the peer to drop state anyways. Is there a reason to change that? SImilarly, the current text recommends throttling responses, which is really important. I would argue for retaining that. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/721#pullrequestreview-56223350 ----==_mimepart_59922893a5f5a_17d43faa6728fc34769e6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

Thanks, Martin. A few comments, inline.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -received before sending a response.  After this time, implementations
-SHOULD respond to unexpected packets with a Public Reset packet.
-
-
-## Stateless Reset {#stateless-reset}
+of four ways: negotiated shutdown, idle timeout, immediate close, and a
+connection reset.
+
+
+### Negotiated Shutdown
+
+An application protocol might arrange to abandon a connection after negotiating
+a graceful shutdown.  The application protocol exchanges whatever messages that
+are needed to cause both endpoints to agree to close the connection, after which
+the connection is closed.  A negotiated shutdown might not result in exchanging
+messages that are visible to the transport.

I don't understand what QUIC mechanism this is discussing -- specifically, why is this a QUIC connection termination mechanism? It seems to suggest that the app can use its own signaling to determine when to shutdown, but what QUIC mechanism is used for shutdown?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +the connection is closed.  A negotiated shutdown might not result in exchanging
+messages that are visible to the transport.
+
+
+### Idle Timeout
+
+A connection that remains idle for longer than the idle timeout (see
+{{transport-parameter-definitions}} becomes closed.  Either peer removes
+connection state if they have neither sent nor received a packet for this time.
+
+The time at which an idle timeout takes effect won't be perfectly synchronized
+on peers.  Endpoints might allow for the possibility that the remote side might
+attempt to send packets before the timeout.  In this case, an endpoint might
+choose to retain enough information to generate a CONNECTION_CLOSE.  Endpoints
+MAY instead rely on sending Public Reset in response to packets that arrive
+after an idle timeout.

I don't think this advice is correct or adequate -- the time can be synchronized reasonably well. I would leave this subsection as is, if it needs to change in the future anyways.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +an endpoint maintains in this case, they MAY send the exact same
+CONNECTION_CLOSE packet.
+
+Note:
+
+: This intentionally contradicts other advice in this document that recommends
+  the creation of new packet numbers for every packet.  Sending new packet
+  numbers is primarily of advantage to loss recovery and congestion control,
+  which are not expected to be relevant for a closed connection.  Retransmitting
+  the final packet requires less state at the server.
+
+Implementations SHOULD limit the number of CONNECTION_CLOSE messages they
+generate.  For instance, an implementation could exponentially increase the
+number of packets that it receives before sending the packet containing
+CONNECTION_CLOSE.  Once enough time has passed to allow a peer to receive the
+CONNECTION_CLOSE, an endpoint SHOULD discard per-connection state and MAY

The current text says idle_timeout period of time, since that's the amount of time after which we expect the peer to drop state anyways. Is there a reason to change that?

SImilarly, the current text recommends throttling responses, which is really important. I would argue for retaining that.

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----==_mimepart_59922893a5f5a_17d43faa6728fc34769e6-- From nobody Mon Aug 14 16:51:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E620F132453 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 16:51:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7nvuaBEp4oMh for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 16:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B278A132451 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 16:51:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=Mp6PMXmhrwYMaNhkrT2LFdqO48g=; b=XmZsJyzWzBsy+JPB mK/y7x5NxcTJZfJ/U/rZokxP9Hoyo+LeVsgRCsJUvXvsMm+ZAh+K9fVADe8X+QDv +ieN1ZeO34zVhGYpdmB/xmSSuvHYnQXBwwvc+EFlDOFm4kvMzrIhEmITvWaWS6cn oLe3ZG7fDtO2kg+IuXurwkvtW6k= Received: by filter0470p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0470p1mdw1-31435-5992373E-18 2017-08-14 23:50:22.219882473 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0024p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id c4AB_778QzqlgEfDri-rOw for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 23:50:22.268 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 23:50:23 +0000 (UTC) From: Patrick McManus Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Decoding Largest Acked and Reliability (#731) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5992373df12fa_546c3fcdc5233c3c1491c0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mcmanus X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak36yFgh3xTNsGtlCa9FaJn/7gWG89TWBqXko+ OUmROy37re0/STE+wVbil9vXTPl5NVLjltmqcZQPRQ75JLAy6BSyTZ4+A6AkpzWZVN0xKl35K3PLjr K1orm8S+sC6y0XZfX0VmkrnuJlXYBYRYnP8+jeZaKaMQK4Qc9FIxFo94X/vPbj5qr5VJ5HLxaeOs7v k= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 23:51:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5992373df12fa_546c3fcdc5233c3c1491c0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In an ACK frame largest acked is "A variable-sized unsigned value". The text doesn't give a lot of guidance on exactly how its determined (other than its size), but presumably it uses the algorithm from 5.8.. except 5.8 clearly doesn't exactly apply because the packet number defined by 5.8 is "used as part of a cryptographic nonce for packet encryption. " which largest acked is not. In any event, assuming a similar algorithm we would decode by " finding the packet number value that is closest to the next expected packet.".. which in the case of largest ack might be "largest previously received largest ack + 1". So far, that's editorial. But, as is the case with packet envelope numbers, its certainly possible to mis-decode the number.. especially when using small encodings and reorderings occur. (and this is especially true with acknowledgment information which is actually retransmitted, unlike the packet envelope numbers themselves). If you mis-interpret an envelope packet number its no big deal - the crypto will fail and you'll drop the packet. But if you mis-interpret a largest acked field then you mark as acked the wrong data. Perhaps data that never arrived and will now never be re transmitted. And you don't have a reliable protocol anymore. :( oops? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/731 ----==_mimepart_5992373df12fa_546c3fcdc5233c3c1491c0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In an ACK frame largest acked is "A variable-sized unsigned value". The text doesn't give a lot of guidance on exactly how its determined (other than its size), but presumably it uses the algorithm from 5.8.. except 5.8 clearly doesn't exactly apply because the packet number defined by 5.8 is "used as part of a cryptographic nonce for packet encryption. " which largest acked is not.

In any event, assuming a similar algorithm we would decode by " finding the packet number value that is closest to the next expected packet.".. which in the case of largest ack might be "largest previously received largest ack + 1".

So far, that's editorial. But, as is the case with packet envelope numbers, its certainly possible to mis-decode the number.. especially when using small encodings and reorderings occur. (and this is especially true with acknowledgment information which is actually retransmitted, unlike the packet envelope numbers themselves).

If you mis-interpret an envelope packet number its no big deal - the crypto will fail and you'll drop the packet. But if you mis-interpret a largest acked field then you mark as acked the wrong data. Perhaps data that never arrived and will now never be re transmitted. And you don't have a reliable protocol anymore. :(

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I'm not a fan of the change to offset because I honestly think it doesn't make sense in the concept of a QUIC connection(ie: it doesn't include control frames), but I think we should clarify the wording around "maximum amount of data". I suggested something which can certainly be improved upon by others.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1660,7 +1660,7 @@ Reason Phrase:
 ## MAX_DATA Frame {#frame-max-data}
 
 The MAX_DATA frame (type=0x04) is used in flow control to inform the peer of
-the maximum amount of data that can be sent on the connection as a whole.
+the maximum offset of data that can be sent on the connection as a whole.

I don't think the concept of an offset for a connection makes sense in QUIC. It's not TCP, so what we're really talking about is the sum of all consumed stream flow controls. So I'd suggest: "the maximum consumed stream flow control across all streams so far in the connection." or something similar?

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Comments inline. Can you also please not stack these PRs? Github is really difficult to use for review of large changes like this one, and stacking PRs makes it even harder. I understand the pains of merge conflicts, but honestly, that's a one-time pain during merge, not a continual pain during review. > -The portion of the QUIC error code space allocated for the crypto handshake is -0xC0000000-0xFFFFFFFF. The following error codes are defined when TLS is used -for the crypto handshake: +This document defines error codes from the error code space used in +{{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. This document --> This section. Also, editorial nit: I like the mention of "crypto handshake when TLS is used for it". > Error Code: : A 32-bit error code which indicates the reason for closing this connection. + TRANSPORT_CLOSE uses codes from the space defined in {{error-codes}}; + APPLICATION_CLOSE uses codes from the application protocol error code space + ({{app-error-codes}}). Seems unnecessary to mention APPLICATION_CLOSE in the definitoion of TRANSPORT_CLOSE. > @@ -2608,11 +2654,10 @@ discarded upon receipt. This avoids potential ambiguity about which STREAM frames count toward flow control. Upon receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame on a stream in the "open" or "half-closed -(remote)" states, an endpoint MUST send a RST_STREAM with an error code of -QUIC_RECEIVED_RST. If the STOP_SENDING frame is received on a stream that is -already in the "half-closed (local)" or "closed" states, a RST_STREAM frame MAY -still be sent in order to cancel retransmission of previously-sent STREAM -frames. +(remote)" states, an endpoint MUST send a RST_STREAM frame. If the STOP_SENDING What's the proposed error code in the RST_STREAM now? If there's a requirement for QUIC to generate and send this frame, the error code has to be specified. > -An endpoint that receives an invalid CONNECTION_CLOSE frame MUST NOT signal the -existence of the error to its peer. +An endpoint that chooses not to retransmit packets containing TRANSPORT_CLOSE or +APPLICATION_CLOSE risks a peer missing the first such packet. The only +mechanism available to an endpoint that continues to receive data for a +terminated connection is to use the stateless reset process +({{stateless-reset}}). editorial nit: I would merge this para with the one above, since this one follows from the earlier. > -An endpoint that receives an invalid CONNECTION_CLOSE frame MUST NOT signal the -existence of the error to its peer. +An endpoint that chooses not to retransmit packets containing TRANSPORT_CLOSE or +APPLICATION_CLOSE risks a peer missing the first such packet. The only Not just the first packet, but any packets lost in the network. > @@ -2923,115 +2975,102 @@ Stream 0 is critical to the functioning of the entire connection. If stream 0 is closed with either a RST_STREAM or STREAM frame bearing the FIN flag, an endpoint MUST generate a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. -Some application protocols make other streams critical to that protocol. An -application protocol does not need to inform the transport that a stream is -critical; it can instead generate appropriate errors in response to being -notified that the critical stream is closed. - -An endpoint MAY send a RST_STREAM frame in the same packet as a CONNECTION_CLOSE -frame. - - -## Error Codes +A stream error is always an application-layer construct. A RST_STREAM MUST NOT I would drop this first sentence -- it's a bit imprecise and does not add value. > -Some application protocols make other streams critical to that protocol. An -application protocol does not need to inform the transport that a stream is -critical; it can instead generate appropriate errors in response to being -notified that the critical stream is closed. - -An endpoint MAY send a RST_STREAM frame in the same packet as a CONNECTION_CLOSE -frame. - - -## Error Codes +A stream error is always an application-layer construct. A RST_STREAM MUST NOT +be generated by the QUIC transport layer. Resetting a stream at the transport +layer could cause unrecoverable loss of application protocol state. Application +protocols might require certain streams to be reliably delivered in order to +guarantee consistent state between endpoints. For this reason, all errors that +can be detected at the transport layer result in connection errors. This last sentence does not belong in this section, and is unnecessary. I would drop it. > -Error codes are 32 bits long, with the first two bits indicating the source of -the error code: +An endpoint that detects a stream error MAY choose to treat the error as a +connection error and send an APPLICATION_CLOSE frame in place of RST_STREAM. This is confusing. What is the "endpoint"? QUIC, or HTTP/QUIC? If QUIC is no longer generating RST_STREAM, then which stream errors are detected by QUIC? I suspect the answer is that the endpoint is HTTP/QUIC, in which case I would remove this sentence from here entirely. > : An endpoint detected an error in a specific frame type. The frame type is included as the last octet of the error code. For example, an error in a - MAX_STREAM_ID frame would be indicated with the code (0x80000106). + MAX_STREAM_ID frame would be indicated with the code (0x106). + +See {{iana-error-codes}} for details of registering new error codes. + + +## Application Protocol Error Codes {#app-error-codes} + +Application protocol error codes are 32-bits long, but the management of +application error codes are left to application protocols. Application protocol +error codes are used for the RST_STREAM ({{frame-rst-stream}}) and +APPLICATION_CLOSE ({{frame-application-close}}) frames. + +Application protocols SHOULD define an error codes for indicating no error and typo: remove "an" > : An endpoint detected an error in a specific frame type. The frame type is included as the last octet of the error code. For example, an error in a - MAX_STREAM_ID frame would be indicated with the code (0x80000106). + MAX_STREAM_ID frame would be indicated with the code (0x106). + +See {{iana-error-codes}} for details of registering new error codes. + + +## Application Protocol Error Codes {#app-error-codes} + +Application protocol error codes are 32-bits long, but the management of 16-bits > @@ -1596,7 +1622,7 @@ The RST_STREAM frame is as follows: +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Stream ID (32) | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -| Error Code (32) | +| App Protocol Error Code (16) | This is still 32 bits in this PR, right? > @@ -2923,115 +2975,102 @@ Stream 0 is critical to the functioning of the entire connection. If stream 0 is closed with either a RST_STREAM or STREAM frame bearing the FIN flag, an endpoint MUST generate a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. -Some application protocols make other streams critical to that protocol. An -application protocol does not need to inform the transport that a stream is -critical; it can instead generate appropriate errors in response to being -notified that the critical stream is closed. - -An endpoint MAY send a RST_STREAM frame in the same packet as a CONNECTION_CLOSE -frame. - - -## Error Codes +A stream error is always an application-layer construct. A RST_STREAM MUST NOT +be generated by the QUIC transport layer. Resetting a stream at the transport drop "transport layer". Also, it's odd to say QUIC MUST not generate a RST_STREAM, since it is a QUIC frame and QUIC does in fact generate it. 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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

Comments inline. Can you also please not stack these PRs? Github is really difficult to use for review of large changes like this one, and stacking PRs makes it even harder. I understand the pains of merge conflicts, but honestly, that's a one-time pain during merge, not a continual pain during review.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
-The portion of the QUIC error code space allocated for the crypto handshake is
-0xC0000000-0xFFFFFFFF. The following error codes are defined when TLS is used
-for the crypto handshake:
+This document defines error codes from the error code space used in
+{{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.

This document --> This section.
Also, editorial nit: I like the mention of "crypto handshake when TLS is used for it".

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 Error Code:
 
 : A 32-bit error code which indicates the reason for closing this connection.
+  TRANSPORT_CLOSE uses codes from the space defined in {{error-codes}};
+  APPLICATION_CLOSE uses codes from the application protocol error code space
+  ({{app-error-codes}}).

Seems unnecessary to mention APPLICATION_CLOSE in the definitoion of TRANSPORT_CLOSE.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2608,11 +2654,10 @@ discarded upon receipt.  This avoids potential ambiguity about which STREAM
 frames count toward flow control.
 
 Upon receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame on a stream in the "open" or "half-closed
-(remote)" states, an endpoint MUST send a RST_STREAM with an error code of
-QUIC_RECEIVED_RST.  If the STOP_SENDING frame is received on a stream that is
-already in the "half-closed (local)" or "closed" states, a RST_STREAM frame MAY
-still be sent in order to cancel retransmission of previously-sent STREAM
-frames.
+(remote)" states, an endpoint MUST send a RST_STREAM frame.  If the STOP_SENDING

What's the proposed error code in the RST_STREAM now? If there's a requirement for QUIC to generate and send this frame, the error code has to be specified.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-An endpoint that receives an invalid CONNECTION_CLOSE frame MUST NOT signal the
-existence of the error to its peer.
+An endpoint that chooses not to retransmit packets containing TRANSPORT_CLOSE or
+APPLICATION_CLOSE risks a peer missing the first such packet.  The only
+mechanism available to an endpoint that continues to receive data for a
+terminated connection is to use the stateless reset process
+({{stateless-reset}}).

editorial nit: I would merge this para with the one above, since this one follows from the earlier.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-An endpoint that receives an invalid CONNECTION_CLOSE frame MUST NOT signal the
-existence of the error to its peer.
+An endpoint that chooses not to retransmit packets containing TRANSPORT_CLOSE or
+APPLICATION_CLOSE risks a peer missing the first such packet.  The only

Not just the first packet, but any packets lost in the network.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2923,115 +2975,102 @@ Stream 0 is critical to the functioning of the entire connection.  If stream 0
 is closed with either a RST_STREAM or STREAM frame bearing the FIN flag, an
 endpoint MUST generate a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
 
-Some application protocols make other streams critical to that protocol.  An
-application protocol does not need to inform the transport that a stream is
-critical; it can instead generate appropriate errors in response to being
-notified that the critical stream is closed.
-
-An endpoint MAY send a RST_STREAM frame in the same packet as a CONNECTION_CLOSE
-frame.
-
-
-## Error Codes
+A stream error is always an application-layer construct.  A RST_STREAM MUST NOT

I would drop this first sentence -- it's a bit imprecise and does not add value.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -Some application protocols make other streams critical to that protocol.  An
-application protocol does not need to inform the transport that a stream is
-critical; it can instead generate appropriate errors in response to being
-notified that the critical stream is closed.
-
-An endpoint MAY send a RST_STREAM frame in the same packet as a CONNECTION_CLOSE
-frame.
-
-
-## Error Codes
+A stream error is always an application-layer construct.  A RST_STREAM MUST NOT
+be generated by the QUIC transport layer.  Resetting a stream at the transport
+layer could cause unrecoverable loss of application protocol state.  Application
+protocols might require certain streams to be reliably delivered in order to
+guarantee consistent state between endpoints.  For this reason, all errors that
+can be detected at the transport layer result in connection errors.

This last sentence does not belong in this section, and is unnecessary. I would drop it.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Error codes are 32 bits long, with the first two bits indicating the source of
-the error code:
+An endpoint that detects a stream error MAY choose to treat the error as a
+connection error and send an APPLICATION_CLOSE frame in place of RST_STREAM.

This is confusing. What is the "endpoint"? QUIC, or HTTP/QUIC? If QUIC is no longer generating RST_STREAM, then which stream errors are detected by QUIC? I suspect the answer is that the endpoint is HTTP/QUIC, in which case I would remove this sentence from here entirely.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 : An endpoint detected an error in a specific frame type.  The frame type is
   included as the last octet of the error code.  For example, an error in a
-  MAX_STREAM_ID frame would be indicated with the code (0x80000106).
+  MAX_STREAM_ID frame would be indicated with the code (0x106).
+
+See {{iana-error-codes}} for details of registering new error codes.
+
+
+## Application Protocol Error Codes {#app-error-codes}
+
+Application protocol error codes are 32-bits long, but the management of
+application error codes are left to application protocols.  Application protocol
+error codes are used for the RST_STREAM ({{frame-rst-stream}}) and
+APPLICATION_CLOSE ({{frame-application-close}}) frames.
+
+Application protocols SHOULD define an error codes for indicating no error and

typo: remove "an"

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 : An endpoint detected an error in a specific frame type.  The frame type is
   included as the last octet of the error code.  For example, an error in a
-  MAX_STREAM_ID frame would be indicated with the code (0x80000106).
+  MAX_STREAM_ID frame would be indicated with the code (0x106).
+
+See {{iana-error-codes}} for details of registering new error codes.
+
+
+## Application Protocol Error Codes {#app-error-codes}
+
+Application protocol error codes are 32-bits long, but the management of

16-bits

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1596,7 +1622,7 @@ The RST_STREAM frame is as follows:
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 |                        Stream ID (32)                         |
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-|                        Error Code (32)                        |
+| App Protocol Error Code (16)  |

This is still 32 bits in this PR, right?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2923,115 +2975,102 @@ Stream 0 is critical to the functioning of the entire connection.  If stream 0
 is closed with either a RST_STREAM or STREAM frame bearing the FIN flag, an
 endpoint MUST generate a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
 
-Some application protocols make other streams critical to that protocol.  An
-application protocol does not need to inform the transport that a stream is
-critical; it can instead generate appropriate errors in response to being
-notified that the critical stream is closed.
-
-An endpoint MAY send a RST_STREAM frame in the same packet as a CONNECTION_CLOSE
-frame.
-
-
-## Error Codes
+A stream error is always an application-layer construct.  A RST_STREAM MUST NOT
+be generated by the QUIC transport layer.  Resetting a stream at the transport

drop "transport layer".

Also, it's odd to say QUIC MUST not generate a RST_STREAM, since it is a QUIC frame and QUIC does in fact generate it. How about "RST_STREAM MUST be instigated by the application and MUST carry an application error code."?

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  2. The FIN bit doesn't take any space. Having it take space is unnecessa= ry. See my email to the list on this point.

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  1. could be solved by changing the condition to be MUST be LESS than as suggested in the summary.
  2. Ya let's discuss this point on the list.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1660,7 +1660,7 @@ Reason Phrase:
 ## MAX_DATA Frame {#frame-max-data}
 
 The MAX_DATA frame (type=0x04) is used in flow control to inform the peer of
-the maximum amount of data that can be sent on the connection as a whole.
+the maximum offset of data that can be sent on the connection as a whole.

The text after this describes this in more detail.

I'm not a huge fan of "he maximum consumed stream flow control across all streams", This could be misinterpreted as

offset = for all streams: max(stream offset)

Maybe "sum of maximum offsets of data that can be sent on all streams". However that seems a bit repetitive with the text below.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1660,7 +1660,7 @@ Reason Phrase:
 ## MAX_DATA Frame {#frame-max-data}
 
 The MAX_DATA frame (type=0x04) is used in flow control to inform the peer of
-the maximum amount of data that can be sent on the connection as a whole.
+the maximum offset of data that can be sent on the connection as a whole.

Good point. In that case, I'm happy with the existing text.

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I haven't seen a review for #721 yet. I apologize for stacking like this, but #721 is pretty self-contained, so the amount of leakage from that is small. That said, I tried removing it from this changeset and found that a lot of the text is intertwined. I've started stacking PRs differently now, so the reviewing should be easier. > @@ -1596,7 +1622,7 @@ The RST_STREAM frame is as follows: +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Stream ID (32) | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -| Error Code (32) | +| App Protocol Error Code (16) | Yes, I must have split this from the other PR poorly. > Error Code: : A 32-bit error code which indicates the reason for closing this connection. + TRANSPORT_CLOSE uses codes from the space defined in {{error-codes}}; + APPLICATION_CLOSE uses codes from the application protocol error code space + ({{app-error-codes}}). I considered not doing that, but it seemed more helpful to highlight the distinction here given that I wasn't repeating the format stuff in the description of APPLICATION_CLOSE. > @@ -2608,11 +2654,10 @@ discarded upon receipt. This avoids potential ambiguity about which STREAM frames count toward flow control. Upon receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame on a stream in the "open" or "half-closed -(remote)" states, an endpoint MUST send a RST_STREAM with an error code of -QUIC_RECEIVED_RST. If the STOP_SENDING frame is received on a stream that is -already in the "half-closed (local)" or "closed" states, a RST_STREAM frame MAY -still be sent in order to cancel retransmission of previously-sent STREAM -frames. +(remote)" states, an endpoint MUST send a RST_STREAM frame. If the STOP_SENDING Actually, the point here is that the *application* sends the RST_STREAM. The transport can't send RST_STREAM. The transport can't do that without risking putting the application into a bad state. I will change this to make it clearer. Actually, I'm going to raise this on the list. It seems like STOP_SENDING could be made an application-layer construct and we could avoid that complexity at the transport layer entirely. I'm trying to see how visibility at the transport layer would be of value, but I'm drawing a blank. > -The portion of the QUIC error code space allocated for the crypto handshake is -0xC0000000-0xFFFFFFFF. The following error codes are defined when TLS is used -for the crypto handshake: +This document defines error codes from the error code space used in +{{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. The crypto handshake bit is on the very next line. The point of separation is that the codes are consumed even if TLS isn't used. > -An endpoint that receives an invalid CONNECTION_CLOSE frame MUST NOT signal the -existence of the error to its peer. +An endpoint that chooses not to retransmit packets containing TRANSPORT_CLOSE or +APPLICATION_CLOSE risks a peer missing the first such packet. 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I haven't seen a review for #721 yet. I apologize for stacking like this, but #721 is pretty self-contained, so the amount of leakage from that is small. That said, I tried removing it from this changeset and found that a lot of the text is intertwined. I've started stacking PRs differently now, so the reviewing should be easier.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1596,7 +1622,7 @@ The RST_STREAM frame is as follows:
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 |                        Stream ID (32)                         |
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-|                        Error Code (32)                        |
+| App Protocol Error Code (16)  |

Yes, I must have split this from the other PR poorly.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 Error Code:
 
 : A 32-bit error code which indicates the reason for closing this connection.
+  TRANSPORT_CLOSE uses codes from the space defined in {{error-codes}};
+  APPLICATION_CLOSE uses codes from the application protocol error code space
+  ({{app-error-codes}}).

I considered not doing that, but it seemed more helpful to highlight the distinction here given that I wasn't repeating the format stuff in the description of APPLICATION_CLOSE.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2608,11 +2654,10 @@ discarded upon receipt.  This avoids potential ambiguity about which STREAM
 frames count toward flow control.
 
 Upon receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame on a stream in the "open" or "half-closed
-(remote)" states, an endpoint MUST send a RST_STREAM with an error code of
-QUIC_RECEIVED_RST.  If the STOP_SENDING frame is received on a stream that is
-already in the "half-closed (local)" or "closed" states, a RST_STREAM frame MAY
-still be sent in order to cancel retransmission of previously-sent STREAM
-frames.
+(remote)" states, an endpoint MUST send a RST_STREAM frame.  If the STOP_SENDING

Actually, the point here is that the application sends the RST_STREAM. The transport can't send RST_STREAM. The transport can't do that without risking putting the application into a bad state. I will change this to make it clearer.

Actually, I'm going to raise this on the list. It seems like STOP_SENDING could be made an application-layer construct and we could avoid that complexity at the transport layer entirely. I'm trying to see how visibility at the transport layer would be of value, but I'm drawing a blank.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
-The portion of the QUIC error code space allocated for the crypto handshake is
-0xC0000000-0xFFFFFFFF. The following error codes are defined when TLS is used
-for the crypto handshake:
+This document defines error codes from the error code space used in
+{{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.

The crypto handshake bit is on the very next line. The point of separation is that the codes are consumed even if TLS isn't used.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-An endpoint that receives an invalid CONNECTION_CLOSE frame MUST NOT signal the
-existence of the error to its peer.
+An endpoint that chooses not to retransmit packets containing TRANSPORT_CLOSE or
+APPLICATION_CLOSE risks a peer missing the first such packet.  The only

I'll remove this sentence, reword the remaining sentence, and merge.

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= ----==_mimepart_599241fd2446a_63cf3fc6403c9c2c4522c-- From nobody Mon Aug 14 17:41:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8522013246F for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 17:41:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.018 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.018 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OGL2gK9F6goO for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 17:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF802132465 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 17:41:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=ZnB6QXHFaaBE2uAOr+bzE0LctKo=; b=p7b0X3NcWpWnDpPB g5rfZQ2FOTMmPMc1fp+r8cOIwzLbcIpF5dv1Jvn/imQ3XAu7iDYgh5Ks3S3sX4kn x/AtPbw1NlM1ILdWNhGTZgJ14fR5xCja0P5Z340p+s45D7J895RxYpVA/Zc+4dF1 E7YOzda6odaKyvw6gMebBLAXIXM= Received: by filter0467p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0467p1mdw1-12115-59924326-68 2017-08-15 00:41:10.804592016 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id zGcTGSUFQoKAZjBA7v7_Sw for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 00:41:10.842 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 00:41:12 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Decoding Largest Acked and Reliability (#731) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59924326b1f0c_8b53fe33dca9c3866884"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1YZXxoMDVFfaALBSnzcUE47AmWtP+hA3jFKx wXTMviyDAFXtxjycTk73QH3jOrPCgTTkc1k5xLo04SGKe6/ufZgQm98HHwbxrzSd0zqeoMaK3A0GvJ YYlGh5t1yq2KqtiCDT8dZ6AmAxaRDpN+E1Pw3C6Uzfda0sgOKlOTtPO+xGKheHkbC/35E567TgEkbP 8= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 00:41:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59924326b1f0c_8b53fe33dca9c3866884 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, you could argue that you can know how the value is going to be decoded based on the largest value for largest acknowledged you have sent *and had acknowledged*. That's somewhat disgusting though. Throw this in the bucket for #644. I tend to think that we're better off looking at integer coding more generally. Finding an encoding that allows us to express the most common values efficiently would be great. Then we don't have to use this nasty truncation thing. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/731#issuecomment-322347045 ----==_mimepart_59924326b1f0c_8b53fe33dca9c3866884 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well, you could argue that you can know how the value is going to be dec= oded based on the largest value for largest acknowledged you have sent = and had acknowledged. That's somewhat disgusting though.

Throw this in the bucket for #644.

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what is the point of 8 and 16 bit formats for largest acked if it isn't truncable (given random 31 bit initial packet number)?

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An excellent question. Though I will observe that the 8- and 16- bit variants were present prior to the introduction of randomization.

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Hi @martinthomson, Sorry for the noise, I see now that you narrowed your question to a part of @ianswett 's Mar 2 statement on ACK of ACKs ratio.

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After this time, implementations -SHOULD respond to unexpected packets with a Public Reset packet. - - -## Stateless Reset {#stateless-reset} +of four ways: negotiated shutdown, idle timeout, immediate close, and a +connection reset. + + +### Negotiated Shutdown + +An application protocol might arrange to abandon a connection after negotiating +a graceful shutdown. The application protocol exchanges whatever messages that +are needed to cause both endpoints to agree to close the connection, after which +the connection is closed. A negotiated shutdown might not result in exchanging +messages that are visible to the transport. There isn't a mechanism, but the QUIC connection goes away. Do I need to say that explicitly? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -received before sending a response.  After this time, implementations
-SHOULD respond to unexpected packets with a Public Reset packet.
-
-
-## Stateless Reset {#stateless-reset}
+of four ways: negotiated shutdown, idle timeout, immediate close, and a
+connection reset.
+
+
+### Negotiated Shutdown
+
+An application protocol might arrange to abandon a connection after negotiating
+a graceful shutdown.  The application protocol exchanges whatever messages that
+are needed to cause both endpoints to agree to close the connection, after which
+the connection is closed.  A negotiated shutdown might not result in exchanging
+messages that are visible to the transport.

There isn't a mechanism, but the QUIC connection goes away.

Do I need to say that explicitly?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +the connection is closed.  A negotiated shutdown might not result in exchanging
+messages that are visible to the transport.
+
+
+### Idle Timeout
+
+A connection that remains idle for longer than the idle timeout (see
+{{transport-parameter-definitions}} becomes closed.  Either peer removes
+connection state if they have neither sent nor received a packet for this time.
+
+The time at which an idle timeout takes effect won't be perfectly synchronized
+on peers.  Endpoints might allow for the possibility that the remote side might
+attempt to send packets before the timeout.  In this case, an endpoint might
+choose to retain enough information to generate a CONNECTION_CLOSE.  Endpoints
+MAY instead rely on sending Public Reset in response to packets that arrive
+after an idle timeout.

I disagree about synchronization. Say that I set a timeout of 10s. At 9.8s, one endpoint sends a packet. That packet gets lost somehow. Now we have a difference of opinion about when the connection started being "idle" that is almost as long as the timeout duration.

I agree that we might want to have a better or clearer description of how to synchronize these things, but I was aiming to just make it clear that there is a potential problem in synchronization and that a stateless reset is the fallback.

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +an endpoint maintains in this case, they MAY send the exact same
+CONNECTION_CLOSE packet.
+
+Note:
+
+: This intentionally contradicts other advice in this document that recommends
+  the creation of new packet numbers for every packet.  Sending new packet
+  numbers is primarily of advantage to loss recovery and congestion control,
+  which are not expected to be relevant for a closed connection.  Retransmitting
+  the final packet requires less state at the server.
+
+Implementations SHOULD limit the number of CONNECTION_CLOSE messages they
+generate.  For instance, an implementation could exponentially increase the
+number of packets that it receives before sending the packet containing
+CONNECTION_CLOSE.  Once enough time has passed to allow a peer to receive the
+CONNECTION_CLOSE, an endpoint SHOULD discard per-connection state and MAY

If the idle timeout is 2 minutes, then that is far larger than the time you might wait to have the other side receive the close. Unreasonably so in my view. 2xRTT is probably adequate.

As for retaining text on throttling, that's right at the start of this paragraph:

Implementations SHOULD limit the number of CONNECTION_CLOSE messages they generate.

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----==_mimepart_5992562d93ceb_32573f876898dc384907c-- From nobody Mon Aug 14 19:05:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FE3F132499 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 19:05:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.615 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.615 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jdZFiVeqslZZ for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 19:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7E1013249C for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 19:05:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=zfEmN+xW5ioOLr7tH5S9z204DTI=; b=l/2U404lN7hLiA6u bi772o8gAegzUmtJTRKbqjk9fo7Jo2KfhntJu/ormXDoUsOoOX/ioshRLEpiwr6X djo81NOLbEqYkb4UtKgFblSUDv3v661vswaGVHIMBslEKalPR+U3F4Whvu58PFVm SlXadrcQxeosxKenvCSqLcWuZXw= Received: by filter0641p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0641p1mdw1-1505-599256C4-21 2017-08-15 02:04:52.285767272 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0038p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id I4aJ9AvbR_aF2zbKslrEUw for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 02:04:52.205 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 02:04:53 +0000 (UTC) From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Decoding Largest Acked and Reliability (#731) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_599256c42ea5_4baf3ffc45bebc3013051d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1TCag5p8yEIPtayfJpJja1XfKQ2YWI3RXHaT nr54XJdnAVEoni6mseWc04p/UexgPEY9Sbio63pt+j3VUazf3NRPdJyvZBHYXM9CibakClmLUt+7M8 LlqJk568jY6cWgg9aXVl7Dp1EkTJHFr8Y36J/OnlKwDWqcw0bqBjbeiG4Q== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 02:05:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_599256c42ea5_4baf3ffc45bebc3013051d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, the intent was for the largest ack not to be truncated, as Martin observed. The benefits of 8 and 16 bit formats are for short connections(realistically, most connections Chrome completes fit in 8 bits) and for consistency with other numerical formats that are 8/16/32/64. As Martin mentioned, with randomization, 8 and 16 bit formats seem useless. That being said, I'm not sure what the value of randomizing over 32 bits is given QUIC has 8 bytes of entropy in the connection id? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/731#issuecomment-322357192 ----==_mimepart_599256c42ea5_4baf3ffc45bebc3013051d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, the intent was for the largest ack not to be truncated, as Martin o= bserved.

The benefits of 8 and 16 bit formats are for short connections(realistic= ally, most connections Chrome completes fit in 8 bits) and for consistency = with other numerical formats that are 8/16/32/64.

As Martin mentioned, with randomization, 8 and 16 bit formats seem usele= ss. That being said, I'm not sure what the value of randomizing over 32 bi= ts is given QUIC has 8 bytes of entropy in the connection id?

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I thought that it was grease.

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----==_mimepart_5992597413fc9_47503ff35ea6fc34498a2-- From nobody Mon Aug 14 19:27:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8771F1324A7 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 19:27:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.395 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.395 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jC6SAv93A-Ji for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 19:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext5.iad.github.net [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCE84132489 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2017 19:27:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 19:27:01 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1502764021; bh=tJr8+PxioGUNRK7IH03Iw9ff997SX7hXKTATUBt98gU=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=q/nbKSNRxJxePvn+PzrBt8d+okZONO54+5Ri7QDv9x90eGrND+QE1dY0QOGhJ8ncE XDmoyr5Xp4zvy6GgSmaVyV+0WoH6VybMbcwaAbzHIji6OmgPaA/enC7yIMnm6KWifW AdyyAR0j3Wqxxz01RaYtK5Pn/km1HhNg8YIGwO+0= From: Patrick McManus Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Decoding Largest Acked and Reliability (#731) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59925bf53ad70_670c3fe5477bdc2c922e4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mcmanus X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 02:27:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59925bf53ad70_670c3fe5477bdc2c922e4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett good news I guess. I'm not sure trunc could be done correctly give non-cumulative sacks, reordering, etc.. issue #35 cites ossification as the motivation for random. There is an obvious mechanism of normalizing them against the first packet 'wireshark tcp style' to encode against pn=0 but I don't think its worth it... -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/731#issuecomment-322360339 ----==_mimepart_59925bf53ad70_670c3fe5477bdc2c922e4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@ianswe= tt good news I guess. I'm not sure trunc could be done correctly give= non-cumulative sacks, reordering, etc..

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This modifies PING to have an optional payload and adds a PONG frame to echo the PING. An empty PING generates an ACK; a PING with a payload demands a PONG. Generating an unguessable PING is the basis of mid-connection address validation. If the PING is sent on the new path, and the PONG comes back, then the remote address is probably OK to use. I've taken the discussion in the issue into consideration here. There's a lot of potential nuance to capture in terms of how an endpoint might reduce and restore send rates, but I've done what I can to thread the gap between allowing unbounded sending along new and untested paths and allowing connections to get back to doing business. It's annoying that this makes PING and PONG so disparate. I think that we have a re-ordering of frames in our near future to correct minor infidelities like this. I didn't want to do that here and pollute this PR though. 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This modifies PING to have an optional payload and adds a PONG frame to echo the PING. An empty PING generates an ACK; a PING with a payload demands a PONG. Generating an unguessable PING is the basis of mid-connection address validation. If the PING is sent on the new path, and the PONG comes back, then the remote address is probably OK to use. I've taken the discussion in the issue into consideration here. There's a lot of potential nuance to capture in terms of how an endpoint might reduce and restore send rates, but I've done what I can to thread the gap between allowing unbounded sending along new and untested paths and allowing connections to get back to doing business. It's annoying that this makes PING and PONG so disparate. I think that we have a re-ordering of frames in our near future to correct minor infidelities like this. I didn't want to do that here and pollute this PR though. Closes #161. 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This has been much-discussed, and it's a relatively isolated change, so I did it.

This modifies PING to have an optional payload and adds a PONG frame to echo
the PING. An empty PING generates an ACK; a PING with a payload demands a
PONG.

Generating an unguessable PING is the basis of mid-connection address
validation. If the PING is sent on the new path, and the PONG comes back, then
the remote address is probably OK to use.

I've taken the discussion in the issue into consideration here. There's a lot
of potential nuance to capture in terms of how an endpoint might reduce and
restore send rates, but I've done what I can to thread the gap between allowing
unbounded sending along new and untested paths and allowing connections to get
back to doing business.

It's annoying that this makes PING and PONG so disparate. I think that we have
a re-ordering of frames in our near future to correct minor infidelities like
this. I didn't want to do that here and pollute this PR though.

Closes #161.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/732

Commit Summary

  • Address validation for connection migration

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -846,6 +846,7 @@ explained in more detail as they are referenced later in the document.
 | 0x0a        | STREAM_ID_NEEDED  | {{frame-stream-id-needed}}  |
 | 0x0b        | NEW_CONNECTION_ID | {{frame-new-connection-id}} |
 | 0x0c        | STOP_SENDING      | {{frame-stop-sending}}      |
+| 0x07        | PONG              | {{frame-pong}}              |

This should be 0x0d.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1728,11 +1727,11 @@ reordering can mean that the largest received offset on a stream can be greater
 than the total size of data received on that stream.  Receiving STREAM frames
 might not increase the largest received offset.
 
-The data sent on a stream MUST NOT exceed the largest maximum stream data value
-advertised by the receiver.  An endpoint MUST terminate a connection with a
-FLOW_CONTROL_ERROR error if it receives more data than the largest maximum
-stream data that it has sent for the affected stream, unless this is a result of
-a change in the initial limits (see {{zerortt-parameters}}).
+The largest offset sent on a stream MUST be less than the largest maximum stream offset

So I get MAX_STREAM_DATA with Maximum Stream Offset of 10. I then send 10 octets (0..9) in one STREAM frame. The maximum offset is therefore 9. The empty STREAM frame I then send has an offset of 10, which would appear to violate this rule.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1728,11 +1727,11 @@ reordering can mean that the largest received offset on a stream can be greater
 than the total size of data received on that stream.  Receiving STREAM frames
 might not increase the largest received offset.
 
-The data sent on a stream MUST NOT exceed the largest maximum stream data value
-advertised by the receiver.  An endpoint MUST terminate a connection with a
-FLOW_CONTROL_ERROR error if it receives more data than the largest maximum
-stream data that it has sent for the affected stream, unless this is a result of
-a change in the initial limits (see {{zerortt-parameters}}).
+The largest offset sent on a stream MUST be less than the largest maximum stream offset

My understanding from our discussion on the mailing list is that that the intention of final offset is that it is not actually an offset, it just signals the number of bytes written so far.

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@marten-seemann commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1669,19 +1669,18 @@ The frame is as fo=
llows:
  0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 |                                                               |
-+                        Maximum Data (64)                      +
++                        Maximum Offset (64)                    +

In order to be consistent, wouldn't we also have to rename the frame? = =F0=9F=99= =8A

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1728,11 +1728,11 @@ reordering can mea=
n that the largest received offset on a stream can be greater
 than the total size of data received on that stream.  Receiving STREAM f=
rames
 might not increase the largest received offset.
 =

-The data sent on a stream MUST NOT exceed the largest maximum stream dat=
a value
-advertised by the receiver.  An endpoint MUST terminate a connection wit=
h a
-FLOW_CONTROL_ERROR error if it receives more data than the largest maxim=
um
-stream data that it has sent for the affected stream, unless this is a r=
esult of
-a change in the initial limits (see {{zerortt-parameters}}).
+The largest offset sent on a stream MUST be less than the largest maximu=
m
+stream offset value advertised by the receiver.  An endpoint MUST termin=
ate a

I find it counterintuitive to say that the largest offset that can be = sent must be less than the maximum offset advertised.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Taking the long term view - quantum computing, lattice encryption, more bandwidth: what is sensible today might not be tomorrow. 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Taking the long term view - quantum computing, lattice encryption, mor= e bandwidth: what is sensible today might not be tomorrow. A max limit co= uld be implied by version, or it could unenforced but with a possible imp= lemetation dependent error message. What are the possible scenarios of ab= use?

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Yes, it was grease Martin. I keep forgetting the long packet format is = always a 4 byte packet number, unlike gQUIC which has variable length for e= verything.

So given that, 4 and 8 make sense. Other values don't seem to.

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Has a decision been made as to whether CONNECTION_CLOSE can be sent in cleartext? The latest spec doesn't whitelist it, so I am assuming not; but I haven't seen clear indication either way.

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Obvious scenario for abuse: Client discovers a server with a large hand= shake, spoofs a source address, and launches an amplification attack at a t= arget. Of course, such a malicious client would just give the server a nic= e, large flow control window to aid in the amplification attack, so that's = slightly independent of the flow control limit. (That is, the attack would= n't be worsened by loosening the bounds on Stream 0.)

I could see doing something like "If it can't fit in N times the size of= the client's packet, server MUST do source address validation before perfo= rming the large handshake." However, that means we'll lose 0-RTT in post-q= uantum land, which makes me a little sad. Validating the address by pickli= ng it in the 0-RTT ticket could partially fix this, but requires mitigation= s against the attacker capturing a valid ticket from the victim and replayi= ng it many times. I think TLS 1.3 already suggests mitigations for this, d= oesn't it?

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Assuming the client's source is already validated, then the server sendi= ng as much as it can followed by a STREAM_BLOCKED frame seems reasonable. = But the client's ability to respond is limited -- flow control frames in th= e subsequent "cleartext" client handshake packets are prohibited. (As they= should be, since the packets at this stage can still be injected by an on-= path attacker.)

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Looks nice and simple -- if applications want something fancier, they can freely build it, but simple applications can use this. Mostly nits. > @@ -2215,6 +2220,16 @@ Offset: on a stream - the sum of the re-constructed offset and data length - MUST be less than 2^64. +Related Stream ID: + +: A 32-bit value containing the stream ID of a stream in the opposite direction. + This field is only present if the Offset field is zero length. Using a Well, it's actually only present if the `R` bit is set. But what I think you mean is that the `R` bit MUST NOT be set if the `OO` bits aren't zero, which doesn't belong in the definition of this field. (Side-note: This means these three bits can encode eight states, of which only five are defined valid.) > +assigning a related stream and the peer opens another stream that includes the +stream ID of the first in the Related Stream ID of the first stream. This +enables straightforward use of QUIC for request-response protocols or protocols +that rely on bidirectional channels. + +This document doesn't proscribe the use of the Related Stream ID field, leaving +decisions about the semantics of related streams to protocols that use QUIC. +Protocols that use QUIC MUST either define the semantics of related streams or +prohibit the use of the Related Stream ID field. Protocols MAY define other +uses for the Related Stream ID field, but are advised that complex relationships +between streams could be poorly supported in generic QUIC implementations. The +INVALID_RELATED_STREAM error code can be used by protocols to signal receipt of +invalid Related Stream ID field values, unless the protocol defines a more +specific error code for the circumstances. + +The Related Stream ID for a stream only needs to be sent once for each (allowing Probably want a noun after "for each". > +This document doesn't proscribe the use of the Related Stream ID field, leaving +decisions about the semantics of related streams to protocols that use QUIC. +Protocols that use QUIC MUST either define the semantics of related streams or +prohibit the use of the Related Stream ID field. Protocols MAY define other +uses for the Related Stream ID field, but are advised that complex relationships +between streams could be poorly supported in generic QUIC implementations. The +INVALID_RELATED_STREAM error code can be used by protocols to signal receipt of +invalid Related Stream ID field values, unless the protocol defines a more +specific error code for the circumstances. + +The Related Stream ID for a stream only needs to be sent once for each (allowing +for retransmissions due to loss). Sending the field on all stream frames with +an offset of 0 ensures that the value is received without duplicating the field +unnecessarily. If the value of the Related Stream ID changes for a stream, the +endpoint that receives the conflicting value MUST treat this as a connection +error of type INVALID_RELATED_STREAM. Actually, I read this part differently than I'd initially thought you meant. It says you don't _need_ to include it on any but the first frame, but doesn't actually prohibit it and only prescribes an error condition when there's a mismatch. I could envision an application choosing to stick this value on one frame per packet until something gets ACK'd to make sure it arrives ASAP -- but since the remote QUIC stack can't deliver data out of order (unless #252?), that's largely moot. > +invalid Related Stream ID field values, unless the protocol defines a more +specific error code for the circumstances. + +The Related Stream ID for a stream only needs to be sent once for each (allowing +for retransmissions due to loss). Sending the field on all stream frames with +an offset of 0 ensures that the value is received without duplicating the field +unnecessarily. If the value of the Related Stream ID changes for a stream, the +endpoint that receives the conflicting value MUST treat this as a connection +error of type INVALID_RELATED_STREAM. + +A related stream MUST NOT refer to a stream in the "idle" state +({{stream-state-idle}}). Receipt of a STREAM frame that includes a Related +Stream ID field that identifies an "idle" stream MUST be treated as a connection +error of type INVALID_RELATED_STREAM. + + ## Sending and Receiving Data Not only redundant, conflicts on which error code to use. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/720#pullrequestreview-56390887 ----==_mimepart_599321a648a73_51b83fb646421c38867b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Looks nice and simple -- if applications want something fancier, they can freely build it, but simple applications can use this. Mostly nits.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2215,6 +2220,16 @@ Offset:
   on a stream - the sum of the re-constructed offset and data length - MUST be
   less than 2^64.
 
+Related Stream ID:
+
+: A 32-bit value containing the stream ID of a stream in the opposite direction.
+  This field is only present if the Offset field is zero length.  Using a

Well, it's actually only present if the R bit is set. But what I think you mean is that the R bit MUST NOT be set if the OO bits aren't zero, which doesn't belong in the definition of this field.

(Side-note: This means these three bits can encode eight states, of which only five are defined valid.)

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +assigning a related stream and the peer opens another stream that includes the
+stream ID of the first in the Related Stream ID of the first stream.  This
+enables straightforward use of QUIC for request-response protocols or protocols
+that rely on bidirectional channels.
+
+This document doesn't proscribe the use of the Related Stream ID field, leaving
+decisions about the semantics of related streams to protocols that use QUIC.
+Protocols that use QUIC MUST either define the semantics of related streams or
+prohibit the use of the Related Stream ID field.  Protocols MAY define other
+uses for the Related Stream ID field, but are advised that complex relationships
+between streams could be poorly supported in generic QUIC implementations.  The
+INVALID_RELATED_STREAM error code can be used by protocols to signal receipt of
+invalid Related Stream ID field values, unless the protocol defines a more
+specific error code for the circumstances.
+
+The Related Stream ID for a stream only needs to be sent once for each (allowing

Probably want a noun after "for each".

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +This document doesn't proscribe the use of the Related Stream ID field, leaving
+decisions about the semantics of related streams to protocols that use QUIC.
+Protocols that use QUIC MUST either define the semantics of related streams or
+prohibit the use of the Related Stream ID field.  Protocols MAY define other
+uses for the Related Stream ID field, but are advised that complex relationships
+between streams could be poorly supported in generic QUIC implementations.  The
+INVALID_RELATED_STREAM error code can be used by protocols to signal receipt of
+invalid Related Stream ID field values, unless the protocol defines a more
+specific error code for the circumstances.
+
+The Related Stream ID for a stream only needs to be sent once for each (allowing
+for retransmissions due to loss).  Sending the field on all stream frames with
+an offset of 0 ensures that the value is received without duplicating the field
+unnecessarily.  If the value of the Related Stream ID changes for a stream, the
+endpoint that receives the conflicting value MUST treat this as a connection
+error of type INVALID_RELATED_STREAM.

Actually, I read this part differently than I'd initially thought you meant. It says you don't need to include it on any but the first frame, but doesn't actually prohibit it and only prescribes an error condition when there's a mismatch. I could envision an application choosing to stick this value on one frame per packet until something gets ACK'd to make sure it arrives ASAP -- but since the remote QUIC stack can't deliver data out of order (unless #252?), that's largely moot.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +invalid Related Stream ID field values, unless the protocol defines a more
+specific error code for the circumstances.
+
+The Related Stream ID for a stream only needs to be sent once for each (allowing
+for retransmissions due to loss).  Sending the field on all stream frames with
+an offset of 0 ensures that the value is received without duplicating the field
+unnecessarily.  If the value of the Related Stream ID changes for a stream, the
+endpoint that receives the conflicting value MUST treat this as a connection
+error of type INVALID_RELATED_STREAM.
+
+A related stream MUST NOT refer to a stream in the "idle" state
+({{stream-state-idle}}).  Receipt of a STREAM frame that includes a Related
+Stream ID field that identifies an "idle" stream MUST be treated as a connection
+error of type INVALID_RELATED_STREAM.
+
+
 ## Sending and Receiving Data

Not only redundant, conflicts on which error code to use.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +This document doesn't proscribe the use of the Related Stream ID field, leaving
+decisions about the semantics of related streams to protocols that use QUIC.
+Protocols that use QUIC MUST either define the semantics of related streams or
+prohibit the use of the Related Stream ID field.  Protocols MAY define other
+uses for the Related Stream ID field, but are advised that complex relationships
+between streams could be poorly supported in generic QUIC implementations.  The
+INVALID_RELATED_STREAM error code can be used by protocols to signal receipt of
+invalid Related Stream ID field values, unless the protocol defines a more
+specific error code for the circumstances.
+
+The Related Stream ID for a stream only needs to be sent once for each (allowing
+for retransmissions due to loss).  Sending the field on all stream frames with
+an offset of 0 ensures that the value is received without duplicating the field
+unnecessarily.  If the value of the Related Stream ID changes for a stream, the
+endpoint that receives the conflicting value MUST treat this as a connection
+error of type INVALID_RELATED_STREAM.

Ahh - I see. I then think the R bit MUST be set on offset 0 frames if the stream is related and then either only once or for all frames but not not anyhting else. I.e. leaving out the R bit is equivalent to changing the id which is an error. However, if the receiver is able to generate an error, it means it already knows the state, and then it is pointless to send it in other frames, or, it is helpful to include it in every frame but then an error cannot be generated. So overall, to reduce confusion, I would say the ID MUST only be be sent in the first frame if at all present.

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Protocols MAY define other +uses for the Related Stream ID field, but are advised that complex relationships +between streams could be poorly supported in generic QUIC implementations. The +INVALID_RELATED_STREAM error code can be used by protocols to signal receipt of +invalid Related Stream ID field values, unless the protocol defines a more +specific error code for the circumstances. + +The Related Stream ID for a stream only needs to be sent once for each (allowing +for retransmissions due to loss). Sending the field on all stream frames with +an offset of 0 ensures that the value is received without duplicating the field +unnecessarily. If the value of the Related Stream ID changes for a stream, the +endpoint that receives the conflicting value MUST treat this as a connection +error of type INVALID_RELATED_STREAM. OTOH - I can see the benefit of including the ID on every fram if you have a many to one relation because the recevier don't need to store a lot of context. But then, as I said before, it becomes impractical to generate an error. So alternatively a) don't set the R bit at all, b) set it only on the first frame (if app procotol says so), or c) set on all frames (if app protocol says so). In all cases the use of frame ids must be consistent and receiver SHOULD generate an error if it is able to do so. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/720#discussion_r133241832 ----==_mimepart_59932711387a7_e123ff4ee51dc2c151031 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +This document doesn't proscribe the use of the Related Stream ID field, leaving
+decisions about the semantics of related streams to protocols that use QUIC.
+Protocols that use QUIC MUST either define the semantics of related streams or
+prohibit the use of the Related Stream ID field.  Protocols MAY define other
+uses for the Related Stream ID field, but are advised that complex relationships
+between streams could be poorly supported in generic QUIC implementations.  The
+INVALID_RELATED_STREAM error code can be used by protocols to signal receipt of
+invalid Related Stream ID field values, unless the protocol defines a more
+specific error code for the circumstances.
+
+The Related Stream ID for a stream only needs to be sent once for each (allowing
+for retransmissions due to loss).  Sending the field on all stream frames with
+an offset of 0 ensures that the value is received without duplicating the field
+unnecessarily.  If the value of the Related Stream ID changes for a stream, the
+endpoint that receives the conflicting value MUST treat this as a connection
+error of type INVALID_RELATED_STREAM.

OTOH - I can see the benefit of including the ID on every fram if you have a many to one relation because the recevier don't need to store a lot of context. But then, as I said before, it becomes impractical to generate an error. So alternatively a) don't set the R bit at all, b) set it only on the first frame (if app procotol says so), or c) set on all frames (if app protocol says so). In all cases the use of frame ids must be consistent and receiver SHOULD generate an error if it is able to do so.

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Thanks for trying to resolve this. Some comments about immediately moving to the new path. > @@ -1351,6 +1355,14 @@ connection when they move networks. This includes state that can be hard to recover such as outstanding requests, which might otherwise be lost with no easy way to retry them. +An endpoint that receives packets that contain a source IP address and port that +has not yet been used MUST start sending new packets with those values as a +destination IP address and port. Packets exchanged between endpoints now +follows a new path. An endpoint MUST validate that its peer can receive packets nit: follows -> follow > @@ -1351,6 +1355,14 @@ connection when they move networks. This includes state that can be hard to recover such as outstanding requests, which might otherwise be lost with no easy way to retry them. +An endpoint that receives packets that contain a source IP address and port that This is reasonable, but I'm not sure it's what we always want. I think we should have a special case for PING/PONG to allow proactive path validation. If you receive only a PING, only send the PONG down that path. If you receive other packets, then send all traffic down the new path? > +An endpoint that see a new source IP address and port (or just a new source +port) on packets from its peer is likely seeing a connection migration at the +peer. + +However, it is also possible that the peer is spoofing its source address in +order to cause the endpoint to send excessive amounts of data to an unwilling +host. If the endpoint sends significantly more data than the peer, connection +migration might be used to amplify the volume of data that an attacker can +generate toward a victim. + +Thus, when seeing a new remote transport address, an endpoint MUST verify that +its peer can receive and respond to packets at that new address. By providing +copies of the frames that it receives, the peer proves that it is receiving +packets at the new address and consents to receive data. + +Prior to validating the new remote address, and endpoint MUST limit the rate of Nit: I think amount matters more than rate for amplification attacks. > @@ -1351,6 +1355,14 @@ connection when they move networks. This includes state that can be hard to recover such as outstanding requests, which might otherwise be lost with no easy way to retry them. +An endpoint that receives packets that contain a source IP address and port that Also, reordering can easily cause one to receive a packet from the new path, then then old path, then the new path. I think it'd be helpful to provide some advice about sending in response to the packet with the largest packet number? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Thanks for trying to resolve this. Some comments about immediately moving to the new path.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1351,6 +1355,14 @@ connection when they move networks.  This includes state that can be hard to
 recover such as outstanding requests, which might otherwise be lost with no easy
 way to retry them.
 
+An endpoint that receives packets that contain a source IP address and port that
+has not yet been used MUST start sending new packets with those values as a
+destination IP address and port.  Packets exchanged between endpoints now
+follows a new path.  An endpoint MUST validate that its peer can receive packets

nit: follows -> follow

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1351,6 +1355,14 @@ connection when they move networks.  This includes state that can be hard to
 recover such as outstanding requests, which might otherwise be lost with no easy
 way to retry them.
 
+An endpoint that receives packets that contain a source IP address and port that

This is reasonable, but I'm not sure it's what we always want. I think we should have a special case for PING/PONG to allow proactive path validation. If you receive only a PING, only send the PONG down that path. If you receive other packets, then send all traffic down the new path?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +An endpoint that see a new source IP address and port (or just a new source
+port) on packets from its peer is likely seeing a connection migration at the
+peer.
+
+However, it is also possible that the peer is spoofing its source address in
+order to cause the endpoint to send excessive amounts of data to an unwilling
+host.  If the endpoint sends significantly more data than the peer, connection
+migration might be used to amplify the volume of data that an attacker can
+generate toward a victim.
+
+Thus, when seeing a new remote transport address, an endpoint MUST verify that
+its peer can receive and respond to packets at that new address.  By providing
+copies of the frames that it receives, the peer proves that it is receiving
+packets at the new address and consents to receive data.
+
+Prior to validating the new remote address, and endpoint MUST limit the rate of

Nit: I think amount matters more than rate for amplification attacks.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1351,6 +1355,14 @@ connection when they move networks.  This includes state that can be hard to
 recover such as outstanding requests, which might otherwise be lost with no easy
 way to retry them.
 
+An endpoint that receives packets that contain a source IP address and port that

Also, reordering can easily cause one to receive a packet from the new path, then then old path, then the new path. I think it'd be helpful to provide some advice about sending in response to the packet with the largest packet number?

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----==_mimepart_59932f317230b_2bab3fbc579edc2c85674-- From nobody Tue Aug 15 10:52:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CABE132143 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 10:52:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.181 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.181 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UREPaPe9KNWu for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 10:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FF2E124207 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 10:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 10:52:19 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1502819539; bh=2+50y0Xg+otn39kL1GOBfPswu0IRJ6GNpxTN+9joUNU=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=z5hM0UrcobGvrkQBc/xCpo9RAUe4wHJGOkGcO2ViV0rboHs08NhQ+Ydgh344xjLsh qC6MUBkIhs2eT0tOAhSTq6H4gfNCIn9hV0gawbXbgKmt18gO3zOKqDs3sTtExzBbdu C5Vjghv3rZLH1pGLEGAi9QMy/km5G7jEUUKSKUVU= From: mirjak Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] When/how often to send ACK frames (#230) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_599334d351380_63443fa3970ffc3811733b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mirjak X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 17:52:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_599334d351380_63443fa3970ffc3811733b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I actually didn't distinguish this. However, you are right that if you only send an ACK there might be scenarios were you'd like to maintain a low rate, e.g. to not wake up the radio to often... on the other hand if you receive data you can also send out an ACK that is queued to be send out... -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/230#issuecomment-322539448 ----==_mimepart_599334d351380_63443fa3970ffc3811733b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I actually didn't distinguish this. However, you are right that if you= only send an ACK there might be scenarios were you'd like to maintain a = low rate, e.g. to not wake up the radio to often... on the other hand if = you receive data you can also send out an ACK that is queued to be send o= ut...

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +more packets.
+
+If the remote address is validated successfully, the endpoint MAY increase the
+rate that it sends on the new path using the state from the previous path.  The
+capacity available on the new path might not be the same as the old path.  An
+endpoint MUST NOT restore its send rate unless it is reasonably sure that the
+path is the same as the previous path.  For instance, a change in only port
+number is likely indicative of a rebinding in a middlebox and not a complete
+change in path.  This determination likely depends on heuristics, which could be
+imperfect; if the new path capacity is significantly reduced, ultimately this
+relies on the congestion controller responding to congestion signals and reduce
+send rates appropriately.
+
+After verifying an address, the endpoint might wish to update address validation
+tokens ({{address-validation}}) that it has issued to its peer.  Previous tokens
+might have been invalidated by the migration.

Is this an RFC6919 MAY WISH TO? Why not SHOULD update ... if the tokens were invalidated?

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Knowing the delayed ack timer allows you to set timers for TLP and RTO= without creating spurious retransmits, because the ack timer can be inco= rporated into the min timeout when there's only one packet outstanding. = See the recovery doc(https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tsvwg-quic-loss= -recovery-00), section 3.1.

Currently most TCP implementations have to use a very conservative min= TLP timeout and RTO because they assume the peer likely uses a 100 or 20= 0ms delayed ack timer.

I don't think knowing the ratio tells you much of interest, and it's f= airly easy to just observe, but Mirja's right that some congestion contro= l schemes deal better with stretch acks than others. That being said, id= eally congestion controls should deal with them anyway, since they are cr= eated by other network elements, so I don't see a large need to communica= te this to the peer.

For related info, see https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-tcpm-lo= w-latency-opt-00

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The current text suggests that the sender of CONNECTION_CLOSE keep sending the final packet in response to subsequent incoming packets with a backoff, until you wait long enough that you figure the other side probably figured it out and stopped sending.

@nibanks points out that if you have a QUIC object that represents the connection, this means that the object and its data can't actually go away until the timeout is done. Is there value in having a short-circuit by which the sender of *_CLOSE can be sure it was received and go away early?

The obvious solution is to suggest responding to a *_CLOSE with a matching *_CLOSE, but that just moves the timeout to the other side. Given that servers are likely to have a persistent connection management layer, that might be acceptable, but isn't so perfect for peer-to-peer applications.

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----==_mimepart_59935896cb997_54a33fb3fedc5c341299be-- From nobody Tue Aug 15 15:01:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B591E132428 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 15:01:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.395 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.395 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FXJq6RiDovn7 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 15:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25115132405 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 15:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 15:01:17 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1502834477; bh=cy1G0FsSyIpW2PhxHTUiSLfkDyukPg8njKqgE5gbHQQ=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=RbmXjmTYaVdJu9mB2lwChM1SNoZQHhR7rJG4cedbu07KTtK1hhvWpqIHKK9DuFXBT 1psAxbejvnYhxGmXtja5wrgb3r+XOFQSan75kiL8viDiSzBp8uJ4JPDWALdWqHr19+ WcSUxhf8gIwasydx/0JqaeQ2cZqgfbkBVH9I5OAM= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Keep alive advice (#729) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59936f2d1399b_6d053f9bea86bc38366eb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 22:01:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59936f2d1399b_6d053f9bea86bc38366eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, the text was intended for "dynamic streams", which in Google-QUIC means any stream that's not the crypto or the HTTP stream. I'm leaning towards (3), with some additional advice about time, but there's a caveat: the application does not know when the last packet was sent by QUIC. Meaning that the app isn't in the best position to judge how long the network has been idle. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/729#issuecomment-322602027 ----==_mimepart_59936f2d1399b_6d053f9bea86bc38366eb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, the text was intended for "dynamic streams", which in Google-QUIC= means any stream that's not the crypto or the HTTP stream. I'm leaning t= owards (3), with some additional advice about time, but there's a caveat:= the application does not know when the last packet was sent by QUIC. Mea= ning that the app isn't in the best position to judge how long the networ= k has been idle.

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This is seriously bit-rotten and will need to be re-done if we agree to do this. Closing the old pull request, though I might inherit some text from it later.

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Per discussion at editors' meeting, the issue is parked for now, so closing this PR since it's already bit-rotten

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Reopened #600.

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----==_mimepart_599375f0a2cb_72f63fc27ed7dc3487068-- From nobody Tue Aug 15 16:00:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B367132439 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 16:00:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.595 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.595 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YKOyeoPyqWvD for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 16:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1353A132428 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 16:00:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=iNv1/pmeXHIyVgdF8YdIRWtn2NY=; b=tixkx8Zb6dpff5VZ HfT+zBzhl4YEP4retEkNaV+PFRbmw+6EwbQ+Sju76p7NDstGPbzURCBABTbzcFfw J4UcWs+/z+B3X9zmSMxKJm6war1dvBwMBz3Q6k1jK7NP6BjccGAa2OlFsURFS+o8 XlrMe9KqFs8mMFJiqRauPJrGSPc= Received: by filter0937p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0937p1mdw1-32739-59937D12-43 2017-08-15 23:00:34.854826083 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id SfFkSXCgSgCCndR0eZS7fQ for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 23:00:34.869 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 23:00:35 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Refactor the section on connection termination (#721) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59937d12bc48a_6d13ff6a717dc38506f9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1odExJ96vdx88D8zXhWbaz5jDhPMqn5ET35p vetOOglqtDc/p7L5ueCAVurUmV53lrKOnrSyZAf+jqW1OVsvDOXCkR3AIeug2IerJCo4qIvMidTU2p iAt5NJKXwEBciB8d7fYZ1c6QS9rw3d+V0Nqf5/zoQWYEhw2vRM7zHJQtpG7qPxwpICF6waJO1Uvegq o= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2017 23:00:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59937d12bc48a_6d13ff6a717dc38506f9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Notes from editors chat: make the negotiated shutdown an "application shutdown" and explain that the application tells QUIC to die and then QUIC dies. When the application shutdown happens, then we need to talk about what happens to streams. Tie the CONNECTION_CLOSE case to the application shutdown case: you need to hang around for TIME_WAIT during which you acknowledge packets and nothing else really. 3*max(MIN_RTO, RTT) should be OK as a conservative start. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/721#issuecomment-322612345 ----==_mimepart_59937d12bc48a_6d13ff6a717dc38506f9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Notes from editors chat: make the negotiated shutdown an "application sh= utdown" and explain that the application tells QUIC to die and then QUIC di= es.

When the application shutdown happens, then we need to talk about what h= appens to streams.

Tie the CONNECTION_CLOSE case to the application shutdown case: you need= to hang around for TIME_WAIT during which you acknowledge packets and noth= ing else really. 3*max(MIN_RTO, RTT) should be OK as a conservative start.=

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From editors meeting: park this issue for now. There is value in separat= ing these invariants, and perhaps something along the lines of mcmanus@'s p= roposal makes sense. The plan is to do something like that by the Singapore= IETF timeline.

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I don't think we want to flow control the FIN, which works out since the= FIN does not consume an offset. The text actually seems clear on this poin= t... if you keep everything in terms of bytes, and not in terms of offsets,= the text is consistent. Subodh: Do you still see a need for clarification?=

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Why can't this data go away? All you need to do is export the byte representation of the CONNECTION_CLOSE and the receiver address from the QUIC object, and then the object can be freed.

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----==_mimepart_59939b078e3ed_35873fec7e171c2c207979-- From nobody Tue Aug 15 18:59:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FB68132430 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 18:59:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3IAk5fiN6fWJ for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 18:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 703DB126B7E for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 18:59:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=5fKqZJfw7wnVWYjcvBcpHgmeNHw=; b=xQRJeSHZo5I295d6 85tIdo9Y4J2Ag9S9IK3Xf7FV4RDhUoiSXXa0/VF0UWcFdGS/sDz2AQyz6d0cIsbI W98nASsRVF+KvWFiVA8gx4e2z7R1VW8a/3FmK9panCKFMdyyTP7yVKJ3okbo9UoG kB2JA+e1WUHHCqbQ/GrTZyqBky4= Received: by filter0641p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0641p1mdw1-32100-5993A6F3-1D 2017-08-16 01:59:15.273057868 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id _fS1KqspTUuHXcFdOknsag for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 01:59:15.127 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 01:59:15 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Decoding Largest Acked and Reliability (#731) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5993a6f3a5f6_1df23f93a9d8bc348675c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak19RQziH44rHmSrPyczYteAZID2cGDMAyo2AY fIQv40s0eZhVpX489EZVqC+lM4nS4tmMsOwwvVo6ttqV4eKH5GPeCGv+vOwWScQrPni2Mdh1zGEczq nAEE8IoG7qAIcfs7x8/O5OFXEcVnzGP+gSWuiIPXpYu+iJzjYXDq9lGv6TE3Svk3G3M94pUYGn6duT Q= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 01:59:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5993a6f3a5f6_1df23f93a9d8bc348675c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not going to "fix" that particular error right now. We have a task to take a good hard look at the encoding of the ACK frame in #644 and I'd rather we do that than piecemeal fix little errors. In the meantime, we should address the confusion problem @mcmanus had. I'll open an issue to track the size 1 and size 2 ACK frames so we don't lose it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/731#issuecomment-322642034 ----==_mimepart_5993a6f3a5f6_1df23f93a9d8bc348675c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm not going to "fix" that particular error right now. We have a task = to take a good hard look at the encoding of the ACK frame in #644 and I'd rather we do that than= piecemeal fix little errors. In the meantime, we should address the confu= sion problem = @mcmanus had. I'll open an issue to track the size 1 and size 2 ACK fr= ames so we don't lose it.

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= ----==_mimepart_5993a6f3a5f6_1df23f93a9d8bc348675c-- From nobody Tue Aug 15 19:02:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1FC7132443 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 19:02:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AvHuyJVw6xdx for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 19:01:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E69F0132430 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 19:01:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=sh0+/f+vcp5Lk9rQjS5W5uCcMz8=; b=MWiSYL+nOfBoh1U8 bQU3BC0EUok9Ggrmge/2vGiR2J2wAN0A5pNCjfFcc5vIdrtrgafjZeFMcU4R/CoD 5xrl+E6hJRTi8Y2HqLtKjVLumHU2wwTV8swBGWPyegHOh7uKXI/0kx0NSsB/o4/q tMQx7B+rLxJRiU5NMqB4Ezt82ZI= Received: by filter0415p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0415p1mdw1-28254-5993A786-3D 2017-08-16 02:01:42.848508192 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0035p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id H-g-gepOQZmSH0FuPIYbMw for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 02:01:42.832 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 02:01:43 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Largest Acknowledged can't be 1 or 2 bytes (#734) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5993a7867c391_65783fcdde087c305191f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak02/7Ut+wTydBJHh7Pkb3Ge9BRwkHmS0ChFDR KX8kYBl1vdx0fAkylxSSQfyUnNiE2iDakZ0ihlnXZRFNDUdWqJEpWvcEGyGIKeIvu3yVecjZEKEcm0 F0Fo+882k0e5I766SxBmrij4spa0DB8lMTmN47ZOFkAZ+Z9TPzU1SKpzBoklcC3XVCtYmhrigIKZVW A= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 02:02:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5993a7867c391_65783fcdde087c305191f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In #731, we found that the encoding for ACK is a little perverse in another way (see #644 for a more comprehensive list of complaints). The Largest Acknowledged can be 1 or 2 bytes. However, this field isn't truncated like packet numbers (for the reasons described in #731, this would be hazardous). And packet numbers start somewhere between 1 and 2^31-1, meaning that it would be very unlikely to have a packet number that was actually small enough to fix in 1 or 2 bytes. We should not waste a whole bit to describe these two sizes if we can't use them. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/734 ----==_mimepart_5993a7867c391_65783fcdde087c305191f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In #731, we found = that the encoding for ACK is a little perverse in another way (see #644 for a more comprehensiv= e list of complaints). The Largest Acknowledged can be 1 or 2 bytes. Howe= ver, this field isn't truncated like packet numbers (for the reasons descri= bed in #731, this w= ould be hazardous). And packet numbers start somewhere between 1 and 2^31-= 1, meaning that it would be very unlikely to have a packet number that was = actually small enough to fix in 1 or 2 bytes. We should not waste a whole = bit to describe these two sizes if we can't use them.

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@nibanks, we decided that it would be allowed, but we haven't gotten around to making the change.

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Something must be bound to the socket and listening for incoming packets= as well, correct? If you must have code listening, why not have support fo= r explicitly indicating that you can stop listening, instead of an arbitrar= y time out?

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That caveat is a good addition. To be clear, I was proposing to do ALL three things that I listed.

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Merged #727.

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Closes #726. Commit: 07416702fab3dd24fedb5c909933d29676ed2f5b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/07416702fab3dd24fedb5c909933d29676ed2f5b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-16 (Wed, 16 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #728 from quicwg/issue726 stateless_reset_token is server only Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/8aa071a8d2c4...07416702fab3 ----==_mimepart_5993e4de163cb_69a53fda960f5c347421a-- From nobody Tue Aug 15 23:23:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09C9126B71 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 23:23:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7snnw2daHeKb for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 23:23:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90EA6124B18 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2017 23:23:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=SMhSxokv0WbRA7uvfrLqtf/A2j0=; b=k+huWtd4+pRSkKo9 IidQEuvC/nUSRjnMMxwXFQPmjbDEY63xeymzAQBfI1j9BpSlyzd8dNtmc9ni3/nb r9jQzWOXci1D4E4LrxDgBVoBfgFQTyGvYGW6iw84ui2lYBu6Eua2rVXsD1Gqch/F PvzgCxElJjMBIdc2ij7y3S8h7kM= Received: by filter1132p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1132p1mdw1-21650-5993E4DF-64 2017-08-16 06:23:27.686208228 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id YW2PhnQySNmAGDf_zHThpQ for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 06:23:27.699 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 06:23:27 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] stateless_reset_token is server only (#728) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5993e4df9129b_35eb3fc0bdad3c308817"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0EDpGYESg+R0RFYIDa9t51BtYouVUeoWYhFe tyFxL1Z3IM2opoHpaVaPPoJNulAJ7ZuT5elCNv9JTPOX8gadcqw8DyTYUZH59WonV1ZK7g/ewMVPZ+ kcjXQe3RcghCq82ihhtr3egKuopOu1WMtuzc7VqB1ZILkMum4do5Qf76zi9E0HAm7ib2D9uzbxkqJN E= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 06:23:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5993e4df9129b_35eb3fc0bdad3c308817 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #728. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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----==_mimepart_5993e4decd10d_66f3fdf861f7c3c8671-- From nobody Wed Aug 16 01:06:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6308B132641 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 01:06:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RKxvMceN5F8G for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 01:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63FEB13263F for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 01:05:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=xaggdBBr9vREMxbwmgxCBPThO38=; b=kACSV4fA6ul8rCSx HQhdTcfCjEi3R7AfFgUDqaTKCjVPEml946nOOYJ5mANBvobDbeS2W/0ZHAfidQzS 8VH3GGCR5xcipk3hRXT0GIGh1N4UEqbxedkdMueRBYMCHvuRGG66tGW4hx1KzegE cwaBeE/v0zQnHnN116cJrGuT7C0= Received: by filter0831p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0831p1mdw1-10769-5993FCE5-40 2017-08-16 08:05:57.846203989 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id X9vnL3p1TPWOT7Fru2hHtA for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 08:05:57.815 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 08:05:57 +0000 (UTC) From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Acknowledging *_CLOSE (#733) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5993fce5b4cf4_71933f9207f9fc309817c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2yYt2wim6KiZ3CQlXq1PEqG3LekUppWX03nt mhQJl4RqxHUkWNY2fhBZx/LRFDyERpkXnjdGQj3Z7x7tfg+9DdeXInn95/DGUtZD3Dc4bAujFwPQUx PnopfofalInffcPAc9WC0vUxsFo+fgnjXy6P1W7DIuq2+3TsEofVEVd4F/RJxvmB8Nkk0OEmDIIlxj 8= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 08:06:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5993fce5b4cf4_71933f9207f9fc309817c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a two-phase commit problem. I am also concerned with state lingering until timeout. Explicit confirmation is complex though. Like: 1. (A) generates close token (CT) and sends PREPARE_CLOSE(CT) periodically. 2. (B) receives (CT) and responds with CORFIRM_CLOSE(CT) periodically. 3. (A) receives CONFIRM_CLOSE(CT) and stops sending PREPARE_CLOSE(CT) sends CLOSE(CT) a few times then destroys context including CT. If CONFIRM close is not received within timeout, the context is destroyed. 4. (B) receives CLOSE(CT) or times out and destroys context. There ought to be general application timeout as well so a lost PREPARE_CLOSE will also close the connection, but this timeout would be long. I'm not really sure a CT token is needed but it might make it possible to drop most app context early. The timeout can be short like 4RTT or so, because there is an expected response. There is no ACK involved in this and the timeouts are different because ACK can be delayed by an endpoint but CONFIRM_CLOSE and CLOSE must be ASAP. In a proper two-phase commit context the state should be serialized to disk in order to handle crashes, but we do this with timeout instead. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/733#issuecomment-322697055 ----==_mimepart_5993fce5b4cf4_71933f9207f9fc309817c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This is a two-phase commit problem. I am also concerned with state linge= ring until timeout. Explicit confirmation is complex though. Like:

  1. (A) generates close token (CT) and sends PREPARE_CLOSE(CT) periodically= .
  2. (B) receives (CT) and responds with CORFIRM_CLOSE(CT) periodically.
  3. (A) receives CONFIRM_CLOSE(CT) and stops sending PREPARE_CLOSE(CT) send= s CLOSE(CT) a few times then destroys context including CT. If CONFIRM clos= e is not received within timeout, the context is destroyed.
  4. (B) receives CLOSE(CT) or times out and destroys context.

There ought to be general application timeout as well so a lost PREPARE_= CLOSE will also close the connection, but this timeout would be long.

I'm not really sure a CT token is needed but it might make it possible t= o drop most app context early.

The timeout can be short like 4RTT or so, because there is an expected r= esponse. There is no ACK involved in this and the timeouts are different be= cause ACK can be delayed by an endpoint but CONFIRM_CLOSE and CLOSE must be= ASAP.

In a proper two-phase commit context the state should be serialized to d= isk in order to handle crashes, but we do this with timeout instead.

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Nice clarifications, a few editorial nits. > @@ -860,39 +860,93 @@ different IP or port at either endpoint, due to NAT rebinding or mobility, as described in {{migration}}. Finally a connection may be terminated by either endpoint, as described in {{termination}}. + +## Matching Packets to Connections + +Incoming packets are classified on receipt. Packets can either be associated +with an existing connection, be discarded, or - for servers - potentially create +a new connection. + +A packet that can be identified as belonging to an existing connection is nit: "Packets identified as belonging to an existing connection are handled according to the current state of that connection." > +valid packet that has been reordered with respect to the long-form packets that +will complete the cryptographic handshake. These packets SHOULD be buffered in +anticipation of the handshake completing. + +Buffering ensures that data is not lost, which improves performance; conversely, +discarding these packets could create false loss signals for the congestion +controllers. However, limiting the number and size of buffered packets might be +needed to prevent exposure to denial of service. + +For clients, all packets that cannot be associated with a connection MUST be +discarded. Discarded packets MAY be logged for diagnostic or security purposes. + +For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create +a new connection. However, only packets that use the long packet header and +packets that meet the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be +initial packets. A server MUST discard packets that use the short header form, nit: "A server MUST discard un-associable packets ..." to clarify what's being discarded. > +connection with an incomplete cryptographic handshake. Such a packet could be a +valid packet that has been reordered with respect to the long-form packets that +will complete the cryptographic handshake. These packets SHOULD be buffered in +anticipation of the handshake completing. + +Buffering ensures that data is not lost, which improves performance; conversely, +discarding these packets could create false loss signals for the congestion +controllers. However, limiting the number and size of buffered packets might be +needed to prevent exposure to denial of service. + +For clients, all packets that cannot be associated with a connection MUST be +discarded. Discarded packets MAY be logged for diagnostic or security purposes. + +For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create +a new connection. However, only packets that use the long packet header and +packets that meet the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be nit: "and packets that meet" -> "and meet" for brevity > + +A packet that uses the short header form could be associated with an existing +connection with an incomplete cryptographic handshake. Such a packet could be a +valid packet that has been reordered with respect to the long-form packets that +will complete the cryptographic handshake. These packets SHOULD be buffered in +anticipation of the handshake completing. + +Buffering ensures that data is not lost, which improves performance; conversely, +discarding these packets could create false loss signals for the congestion +controllers. However, limiting the number and size of buffered packets might be +needed to prevent exposure to denial of service. + +For clients, all packets that cannot be associated with a connection MUST be +discarded. Discarded packets MAY be logged for diagnostic or security purposes. + +For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create nit: What about "aren't associated with an existing connection" > If the packet contains a version that is acceptable to the server, the server proceeds with the handshake ({{handshake}}). This commits the server to the version that the client selected. -When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet from the server, it should -select an acceptable protocol version. If the server lists an acceptable -version, the client selects that version and reattempts to create a connection -using that version. Though the contents of a packet might not change in + +### Sending and Handling Version Negotiation Packets {#send-vn} + +If the version selected by the client is not acceptable to the server, the +server responds with a Version Negotiation packet ({{packet-version}}). This +includes a list of versions that the server will accept. + +A server sends a Version Negotiation packet for any packet with an unaccepable +version if that packet could create a new connection. This allows a server to Does it make sense to specify only sending VN in response to client initial or are there other types you have in mind for "that packet could create a new connection."? > -select an acceptable protocol version. If the server lists an acceptable -version, the client selects that version and reattempts to create a connection -using that version. Though the contents of a packet might not change in + +### Sending and Handling Version Negotiation Packets {#send-vn} + +If the version selected by the client is not acceptable to the server, the +server responds with a Version Negotiation packet ({{packet-version}}). This +includes a list of versions that the server will accept. + +A server sends a Version Negotiation packet for any packet with an unaccepable +version if that packet could create a new connection. This allows a server to +process packets with unsupported versions without retaining state. Though +either the client initial packet or the version negotiation packet that is sent +in response could be lost, the client will send new packets until it +successfully receives a response. At some point, the handshake might timeout. > + +A server sends a Version Negotiation packet for any packet with an unaccepable +version if that packet could create a new connection. This allows a server to +process packets with unsupported versions without retaining state. Though +either the client initial packet or the version negotiation packet that is sent +in response could be lost, the client will send new packets until it +successfully receives a response. + +When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet, it first checks that the +packet number and connection ID match the values it sent in a client initial +packet. If this check fails, the packet MUST be discarded. + +Once the Version Negotiation packet is determined to be valid, the client then +selects an acceptable protocol version from the list provided by the server. +The client then attempts to create a connection using that version. Though the +contents of the client initial packet that the client sends might not change in nit: that the -> the > @@ -860,39 +860,93 @@ different IP or port at either endpoint, due to NAT rebinding or mobility, as described in {{migration}}. Finally a connection may be terminated by either endpoint, as described in {{termination}}. + +## Matching Packets to Connections + +Incoming packets are classified on receipt. Packets can either be associated +with an existing connection, be discarded, or - for servers - potentially create +a new connection. + +A packet that can be identified as belonging to an existing connection is +handled according to the current state of that connection. Packets are +associated with established connections using connection ID if it is present; nit: A switch from existing to established here. Is that intentional? > + +## Matching Packets to Connections + +Incoming packets are classified on receipt. Packets can either be associated +with an existing connection, be discarded, or - for servers - potentially create +a new connection. + +A packet that can be identified as belonging to an existing connection is +handled according to the current state of that connection. Packets are +associated with established connections using connection ID if it is present; +this might include connection IDs that were advertised using NEW_CONNECTION_ID +({{frame-new-connection-id}}). Packets without connection IDs and long-form +packets for connections that have incomplete cryptographic handshakes are +associated using the tuple of source and destination IP addresses and ports. + +A packet that uses the short header form could be associated with an existing It'd be nice to just say "Short header packets" here and elsewhere, since the extra passive voice makes these passages longer and a harder to read. That's probably a larger change than just this new section, so I can do a followup editorial change for that if you think it'll work? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Nice clarifications, a few editorial nits.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -860,39 +860,93 @@ different IP or port at either endpoint, due to NAT rebinding or mobility, as
 described in {{migration}}.  Finally a connection may be terminated by either
 endpoint, as described in {{termination}}.
 
+
+## Matching Packets to Connections
+
+Incoming packets are classified on receipt.  Packets can either be associated
+with an existing connection, be discarded, or - for servers - potentially create
+a new connection.
+
+A packet that can be identified as belonging to an existing connection is

nit: "Packets identified as belonging to an existing connection are handled according to the current state of that connection."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +valid packet that has been reordered with respect to the long-form packets that
+will complete the cryptographic handshake.  These packets SHOULD be buffered in
+anticipation of the handshake completing.
+
+Buffering ensures that data is not lost, which improves performance; conversely,
+discarding these packets could create false loss signals for the congestion
+controllers.  However, limiting the number and size of buffered packets might be
+needed to prevent exposure to denial of service.
+
+For clients, all packets that cannot be associated with a connection MUST be
+discarded.  Discarded packets MAY be logged for diagnostic or security purposes.
+
+For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create
+a new connection.  However, only packets that use the long packet header and
+packets that meet the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be
+initial packets.  A server MUST discard packets that use the short header form,

nit: "A server MUST discard un-associable packets ..." to clarify what's being discarded.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +connection with an incomplete cryptographic handshake.  Such a packet could be a
+valid packet that has been reordered with respect to the long-form packets that
+will complete the cryptographic handshake.  These packets SHOULD be buffered in
+anticipation of the handshake completing.
+
+Buffering ensures that data is not lost, which improves performance; conversely,
+discarding these packets could create false loss signals for the congestion
+controllers.  However, limiting the number and size of buffered packets might be
+needed to prevent exposure to denial of service.
+
+For clients, all packets that cannot be associated with a connection MUST be
+discarded.  Discarded packets MAY be logged for diagnostic or security purposes.
+
+For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create
+a new connection.  However, only packets that use the long packet header and
+packets that meet the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be

nit: "and packets that meet" -> "and meet" for brevity

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+A packet that uses the short header form could be associated with an existing
+connection with an incomplete cryptographic handshake.  Such a packet could be a
+valid packet that has been reordered with respect to the long-form packets that
+will complete the cryptographic handshake.  These packets SHOULD be buffered in
+anticipation of the handshake completing.
+
+Buffering ensures that data is not lost, which improves performance; conversely,
+discarding these packets could create false loss signals for the congestion
+controllers.  However, limiting the number and size of buffered packets might be
+needed to prevent exposure to denial of service.
+
+For clients, all packets that cannot be associated with a connection MUST be
+discarded.  Discarded packets MAY be logged for diagnostic or security purposes.
+
+For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create

nit: What about "aren't associated with an existing connection"

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 If the packet contains a version that is acceptable to the server, the server
 proceeds with the handshake ({{handshake}}).  This commits the server to the
 version that the client selected.
 
-When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet from the server, it should
-select an acceptable protocol version.  If the server lists an acceptable
-version, the client selects that version and reattempts to create a connection
-using that version.  Though the contents of a packet might not change in
+
+### Sending and Handling Version Negotiation Packets {#send-vn}
+
+If the version selected by the client is not acceptable to the server, the
+server responds with a Version Negotiation packet ({{packet-version}}).  This
+includes a list of versions that the server will accept.
+
+A server sends a Version Negotiation packet for any packet with an unaccepable
+version if that packet could create a new connection.  This allows a server to

Does it make sense to specify only sending VN in response to client initial or are there other types you have in mind for "that packet could create a new connection."?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -select an acceptable protocol version.  If the server lists an acceptable
-version, the client selects that version and reattempts to create a connection
-using that version.  Though the contents of a packet might not change in
+
+### Sending and Handling Version Negotiation Packets {#send-vn}
+
+If the version selected by the client is not acceptable to the server, the
+server responds with a Version Negotiation packet ({{packet-version}}).  This
+includes a list of versions that the server will accept.
+
+A server sends a Version Negotiation packet for any packet with an unaccepable
+version if that packet could create a new connection.  This allows a server to
+process packets with unsupported versions without retaining state.  Though
+either the client initial packet or the version negotiation packet that is sent
+in response could be lost, the client will send new packets until it
+successfully receives a response.

At some point, the handshake might timeout.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+A server sends a Version Negotiation packet for any packet with an unaccepable
+version if that packet could create a new connection.  This allows a server to
+process packets with unsupported versions without retaining state.  Though
+either the client initial packet or the version negotiation packet that is sent
+in response could be lost, the client will send new packets until it
+successfully receives a response.
+
+When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet, it first checks that the
+packet number and connection ID match the values it sent in a client initial
+packet.  If this check fails, the packet MUST be discarded.
+
+Once the Version Negotiation packet is determined to be valid, the client then
+selects an acceptable protocol version from the list provided by the server.
+The client then attempts to create a connection using that version.  Though the
+contents of the client initial packet that the client sends might not change in

nit: that the -> the

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -860,39 +860,93 @@ different IP or port at either endpoint, due to NAT rebinding or mobility, as
 described in {{migration}}.  Finally a connection may be terminated by either
 endpoint, as described in {{termination}}.
 
+
+## Matching Packets to Connections
+
+Incoming packets are classified on receipt.  Packets can either be associated
+with an existing connection, be discarded, or - for servers - potentially create
+a new connection.
+
+A packet that can be identified as belonging to an existing connection is
+handled according to the current state of that connection.  Packets are
+associated with established connections using connection ID if it is present;

nit: A switch from existing to established here. Is that intentional?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+## Matching Packets to Connections
+
+Incoming packets are classified on receipt.  Packets can either be associated
+with an existing connection, be discarded, or - for servers - potentially create
+a new connection.
+
+A packet that can be identified as belonging to an existing connection is
+handled according to the current state of that connection.  Packets are
+associated with established connections using connection ID if it is present;
+this might include connection IDs that were advertised using NEW_CONNECTION_ID
+({{frame-new-connection-id}}).  Packets without connection IDs and long-form
+packets for connections that have incomplete cryptographic handshakes are
+associated using the tuple of source and destination IP addresses and ports.
+
+A packet that uses the short header form could be associated with an existing

It'd be nice to just say "Short header packets" here and elsewhere, since the extra passive voice makes these passages longer and a harder to read. That's probably a larger change than just this new section, so I can do a followup editorial change for that if you think it'll work?

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currently section 9 says

To avoid creating an indefinite feedback loop, an endpoint MUST NOT generate an ACK frame in response to a packet containing only ACK or PADDING frames.

There is some implementation confusion around it.

Consensus seems to be that this means the packet containing only ACK/PADDING does end up referenced in an ACK frame eventually, but the generation of the ACK frame should not be triggered by the receipt of the ACK/PADDING-only packet.

however an alternative explanation, don't include the packet number of the ACK/PADDING-only packet in any ACK frame, is possible. It would be good to be clear.

I've noticed that the phrases like "don't ack acks" contribute to the confusion. Is it true that every packet except VN and Stateless-Retry needs to eventually be acknowledged? If so - that might be a useful clarifier.

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The consensus is correct. The packet should be acknowledged in the next ack frame sent, but it should not cause a packet containing an ack frame to be sent.

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----==_mimepart_599464c16f710_2183f8b70abbc34990c5-- From nobody Wed Aug 16 10:10:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A038D132344 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 10:10:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J-F0T_qJNUr0 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 10:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF410126CB6 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 10:10:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=vDANpH6D8IVZK2o7LB7JGxKHHCc=; b=JLxdtkDPYkpUFYel mPuRpCauAj/rbMTTJSrN0ocHTKDdBe0EhzktnfB+NRbbV2hwZ42I8Xd6IL1O0lRk zsR3jy15FuPGgwF1D6UDBJZzPOVe0y1a1z+M4IOI8/BP7OgcZXFUOKnRUxyUeJ0O QqD8nxpCJlEPGiOGCHuKeu6GWJ0= Received: by filter0810p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0810p1mdw1-14092-59947C63-8 2017-08-16 17:09:55.108809948 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0036p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id g0EWD6cCRwmvEU-iEyBBAQ for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 17:09:55.077 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 17:09:55 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Limit pushes using MAX_PUSH_ID (#711) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59947c62b959b_50cf3fc2195fbc3c9456c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0Rw9c33dvoq7ElJl7qNEuI9eVtHkbYPfejBM aGrBpB6WDVEwPcdlWNsYglTHk/JP6Rb/PKveuv3AoJ+MB+a2D3x+2sWERKkV2iBa3XsCwokFdny2mB fsSNjv0DZIzVqqNLaEPPgHbFCPPKpqpm5rDcTqoCXoDkeTkLMOSbeqqYJsdAHmR6vPFNsVdT64pdiv M= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 17:10:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59947c62b959b_50cf3fc2195fbc3c9456c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop commented on this pull request. > +type HTTP_WRONG_STREAM. + +A server MUST NOT send a MAX_PUSH_ID frame. A client MUST treat the receipt of +a MAX_PUSH_ID frame as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_MAX_PUSH_ID. + +The initial value for the maximum Push ID is determined by the +SETTINGS_MAX_PUSH_ID setting ({{settings-parameters}}). A client that wishes to +manage the number of promised server pushes can increase the maximum Push ID by +sending a MAX_PUSH_ID frame as the server fulfills or cancels server pushes. + +The MAX_PUSH_ID frame has no defined flags. + +The MAX_PUSH_ID frame carries a 32-bit Push ID that identifies the maximum value +for a Push ID that the server can use (see {{frame-push-promise}}). A +MAX_PUSH_ID frame cannot reduce the maximum Push ID; receipt of a MAX_PUSH_ID +that contains a smaller value than previously received MUST be treated as a Sending a frame with a value less than you provided in transport settings is a clear error, actually, since you know the transport settings necessarily came before the frame. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/711#discussion_r133510003 ----==_mimepart_59947c62b959b_50cf3fc2195fbc3c9456c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> +type HTTP_WRONG_STREAM.
+
+A server MUST NOT send a MAX_PUSH_ID frame.  A client MUST treat the receipt of
+a MAX_PUSH_ID frame as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_MAX_PUSH_ID.
+
+The initial value for the maximum Push ID is determined by the
+SETTINGS_MAX_PUSH_ID setting ({{settings-parameters}}).  A client that wishes to
+manage the number of promised server pushes can increase the maximum Push ID by
+sending a MAX_PUSH_ID frame as the server fulfills or cancels server pushes.
+
+The MAX_PUSH_ID frame has no defined flags.
+
+The MAX_PUSH_ID frame carries a 32-bit Push ID that identifies the maximum value
+for a Push ID that the server can use (see {{frame-push-promise}}).  A
+MAX_PUSH_ID frame cannot reduce the maximum Push ID; receipt of a MAX_PUSH_ID
+that contains a smaller value than previously received MUST be treated as a

Sending a frame with a value less than you provided in transport settings is a clear error, actually, since you know the transport settings necessarily came before the frame.

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Commit: c48030d34993cda46314e5daaaeaa2896b16432b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c48030d34993cda46314e5daaaeaa2896b16432b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-07-31 (Mon, 31 Jul 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Better reasons for maintaining consistent version negotiation fields in transport parameters Thanks to @vasilvv for the text, which I only tweaked slightly. Commit: 7b05603055fbe32047714a8b92cf0839761c6afc https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7b05603055fbe32047714a8b92cf0839761c6afc Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-03 (Thu, 03 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Attempt to address feedback Commit: 2d755ea72538d65c40facb3fab4feed3de6ef7af https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2d755ea72538d65c40facb3fab4feed3de6ef7af Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-10 (Thu, 10 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Editorial tweaks, thanks Jana Commit: e231b0748967b35bafde1b88664c234ee5f38281 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e231b0748967b35bafde1b88664c234ee5f38281 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-10 (Thu, 10 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'transport_parameter_versioning' Commit: 02ce4ae6f1074600ae3d6327df8ad9d1d5ede81d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/02ce4ae6f1074600ae3d6327df8ad9d1d5ede81d Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-08-09 (Wed, 09 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- editorial nits Commit: 2fbfa6fd63e4db91b2af4ab91936df051b7a8135 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2fbfa6fd63e4db91b2af4ab91936df051b7a8135 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-10 (Thu, 10 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #717 from quicwg/rephrase editorial nits Commit: c32c3788a298bdcca5d8d5f15b1e4602134febc6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c32c3788a298bdcca5d8d5f15b1e4602134febc6 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-10 (Thu, 10 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Revise text on ACK frames prior to handshake completion This extensively used language like "protected ACK frames", which is incorrect. I fixed that here, recognizing that more extensive fixes are probably needed. I also just made the observation that the server might acknowledge 0-RTT, but the client might be unable to read those ACK frames, which closes #221. Commit: 230589fe68637ba7954a4c177e5bb5069900b385 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/230589fe68637ba7954a4c177e5bb5069900b385 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-10 (Thu, 10 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Strength requirement Commit: d19b7f8a11f08062e726258ea5389127ecd13628 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d19b7f8a11f08062e726258ea5389127ecd13628 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-10 (Thu, 10 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Harder again Commit: a26b04eed9f1c4ee553b88fb8757e532ec8935a5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a26b04eed9f1c4ee553b88fb8757e532ec8935a5 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-11 (Fri, 11 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #685 from quicwg/1200 Change Client Initial size to 1200 flat Commit: 958070da8d709afeeb65784e6aadda91b5bb4902 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/958070da8d709afeeb65784e6aadda91b5bb4902 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-14 (Mon, 14 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #719 from quicwg/ack-0rtt Revise text on ACK frames prior to handshake completion Commit: 7a168f9f036631b6dbb090a4a904b28f46da3d44 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7a168f9f036631b6dbb090a4a904b28f46da3d44 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-14 (Mon, 14 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Prohibit acknowledgement of packets with echoed packet numbers Closes #563. Commit: fcd10ffa85d8b19396970453fca6032a8fed0979 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fcd10ffa85d8b19396970453fca6032a8fed0979 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-14 (Mon, 14 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Too many lines Commit: 9a7814c80d8f013ca323732a960dd6e554a9d39c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9a7814c80d8f013ca323732a960dd6e554a9d39c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-14 (Mon, 14 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- stateless_reset_token is server only This also corrects the number used in prose. Closes #726. Commit: 247858a12b201287eec9299e19fd4ad6791a5f8a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/247858a12b201287eec9299e19fd4ad6791a5f8a Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-08-14 (Mon, 14 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- DATA frames MUST be non-empty (#708) Commit: d4ddd2c74721edaef199e7d340127396d36d164e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d4ddd2c74721edaef199e7d340127396d36d164e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-15 (Tue, 15 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Fix error code definitions (#712) Commit: 4bceb91c002989bfa2653dc035e10231747b8ad6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4bceb91c002989bfa2653dc035e10231747b8ad6 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-16 (Wed, 16 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #727 from quicwg/no-ack-packets Prohibit acknowledgement of packets with echoed packet numbers Commit: 77f68edfbca1ebeef1dfc930f6a35445cf955dc9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/77f68edfbca1ebeef1dfc930f6a35445cf955dc9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-16 (Wed, 16 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add changelogs Commit: 8aa071a8d2c49c423602028f15267a5918686669 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8aa071a8d2c49c423602028f15267a5918686669 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-16 (Wed, 16 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #735 from quicwg/changelog-05 Add changelogs for -05 Commit: 07416702fab3dd24fedb5c909933d29676ed2f5b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/07416702fab3dd24fedb5c909933d29676ed2f5b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-16 (Wed, 16 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #728 from quicwg/issue726 stateless_reset_token is server only Commit: 494a48f206e71955250a32a834b602f231335472 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/494a48f206e71955250a32a834b602f231335472 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-08-16 (Wed, 16 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into push-id-seq Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/b38ae536b344...494a48f206e7 ----==_mimepart_59947ccbc5d7e_ad63ff05ba33c301210a5-- From nobody Wed Aug 16 10:13:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D453313267C for ; 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HTTP_WRONG_STREAM was defined as HTTP_SETTINGS_ON_WRONG_STREAM. * So much effort spent on something so trivial * Limit pushes using MAX_PUSH_ID This repurposes SETTINGS_ENABLE_PUSH as the initial limit. A client can use this to limit the number of outstanding pushes. I've included advice on increasing the limit, not as the pushes are first used, but as the pushes are completed (or cancelled). There wasn't a rule for handling a truncated push stream header, so I added that as well. The HTTP_DUPLICATE_PUSH error was reclaimed for signaling all three types of error with a push stream header: truncation, duplicate Push ID, and exceeding MAX_PUSH_ID. * Fix error codes, prohibit reduction * Review comments * Remove push setting in favor of MAX_PUSH_ID * Remove redundant word ----==_mimepart_59947d1f6d90e_d963fdf39265c3464916-- From nobody Wed Aug 16 10:13:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B8E13269A for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 10:13:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=0.001, TVD_SPACE_RATIO_MINFP=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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This seems generally OK, but see comment.s > @@ -860,39 +860,93 @@ different IP or port at either endpoint, due to NAT rebinding or mobility, as described in {{migration}}. Finally a connection may be terminated by either endpoint, as described in {{termination}}. + +## Matching Packets to Connections + +Incoming packets are classified on receipt. Packets can either be associated +with an existing connection, be discarded, or - for servers - potentially create +a new connection. + +A packet that can be identified as belonging to an existing connection is You say "discarded", but many discarded packets trigger behavior (VN, stateless reset) > +controllers. However, limiting the number and size of buffered packets might be +needed to prevent exposure to denial of service. + +For clients, all packets that cannot be associated with a connection MUST be +discarded. Discarded packets MAY be logged for diagnostic or security purposes. + +For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create +a new connection. However, only packets that use the long packet header and +packets that meet the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be +initial packets. A server MUST discard packets that use the short header form, +or packets that are smaller than the smallest minimum size for any version that +the server supports. + +This version of QUIC defines a minimum size for initial packets of 1200 octets. +Versions of QUIC that define smaller minimum initial packet sizes need to be +aware that initial packets will be discarded by servers that only support It's not that they will be discarded but rather that they will be *silently* discarded rather than eliciting VN > +discarded. Discarded packets MAY be logged for diagnostic or security purposes. + +For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create +a new connection. However, only packets that use the long packet header and +packets that meet the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be +initial packets. A server MUST discard packets that use the short header form, +or packets that are smaller than the smallest minimum size for any version that +the server supports. + +This version of QUIC defines a minimum size for initial packets of 1200 octets. +Versions of QUIC that define smaller minimum initial packet sizes need to be +aware that initial packets will be discarded by servers that only support +versions with larger minimums. Clients that support multiple QUIC versions can +avoid this problem by ensuring that they increase the size of their initial +packets to the largest minimum size across all of the QUIC versions they +support. You need to provide the appropriate guidance for servers of accepting the minimum size, regardless of version. Suppose we have versions 1, 2, 3 with minimum sizes 1200, 1201 and 1202 respectively. A client which supports (1, 2) sends a packet of size 1201. A server which supports (2, 3) and doesn't recognize 1 needs to accept [1, 1201] and send VN even though [3, 1201] would not be acceptable > ## Version Negotiation {#version-negotiation} QUIC's connection establishment begins with version negotiation, since all communication between the endpoints, including packet and frame formats, relies on the two endpoints agreeing on a version. -A QUIC connection begins with a client sending a handshake packet. The details -of the handshake mechanisms are described in {{handshake}}, but all of the -initial packets sent from the client to the server MUST use the long header -format and MUST specify the version of the protocol being used. - -When the server receives a packet from a client with the long header format, it -compares the client's version to the versions it supports. - -If the version selected by the client is not acceptable to the server, the -server discards the incoming packet and responds with a Version Negotiation -packet ({{packet-version}}). This includes a list of versions that the server -will accept. +A QUIC connection begins with a client sending a client initial packet +({{packet-client-initial}}). The details of the handshake mechanisms are +described in {{handshake}}, but all of the initial packets sent from the client s/initial/first flight/ -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@ekr commented on this pull request.

This seems generally OK, but see comment.s

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -860,39 +860,93 @@ different IP or port at either endpoint, due to NAT rebinding or mobility, as
 described in {{migration}}.  Finally a connection may be terminated by either
 endpoint, as described in {{termination}}.
 
+
+## Matching Packets to Connections
+
+Incoming packets are classified on receipt.  Packets can either be associated
+with an existing connection, be discarded, or - for servers - potentially create
+a new connection.
+
+A packet that can be identified as belonging to an existing connection is

You say "discarded", but many discarded packets trigger behavior (VN, stateless reset)

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +controllers.  However, limiting the number and size of buffered packets might be
+needed to prevent exposure to denial of service.
+
+For clients, all packets that cannot be associated with a connection MUST be
+discarded.  Discarded packets MAY be logged for diagnostic or security purposes.
+
+For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create
+a new connection.  However, only packets that use the long packet header and
+packets that meet the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be
+initial packets.  A server MUST discard packets that use the short header form,
+or packets that are smaller than the smallest minimum size for any version that
+the server supports.
+
+This version of QUIC defines a minimum size for initial packets of 1200 octets.
+Versions of QUIC that define smaller minimum initial packet sizes need to be
+aware that initial packets will be discarded by servers that only support

It's not that they will be discarded but rather that they will be silently discarded rather than eliciting VN

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +discarded.  Discarded packets MAY be logged for diagnostic or security purposes.
+
+For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create
+a new connection.  However, only packets that use the long packet header and
+packets that meet the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be
+initial packets.  A server MUST discard packets that use the short header form,
+or packets that are smaller than the smallest minimum size for any version that
+the server supports.
+
+This version of QUIC defines a minimum size for initial packets of 1200 octets.
+Versions of QUIC that define smaller minimum initial packet sizes need to be
+aware that initial packets will be discarded by servers that only support
+versions with larger minimums.  Clients that support multiple QUIC versions can
+avoid this problem by ensuring that they increase the size of their initial
+packets to the largest minimum size across all of the QUIC versions they
+support.

You need to provide the appropriate guidance for servers of accepting the minimum size, regardless of version.

Suppose we have versions 1, 2, 3 with minimum sizes 1200, 1201 and 1202 respectively. A client which supports (1, 2) sends a packet of size 1201. A server which supports (2, 3) and doesn't recognize 1 needs to accept [1, 1201] and send VN even though [3, 1201] would not be acceptable

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  ## Version Negotiation {#version-negotiation}
 
 QUIC's connection establishment begins with version negotiation, since all
 communication between the endpoints, including packet and frame formats, relies
 on the two endpoints agreeing on a version.
 
-A QUIC connection begins with a client sending a handshake packet. The details
-of the handshake mechanisms are described in {{handshake}}, but all of the
-initial packets sent from the client to the server MUST use the long header
-format and MUST specify the version of the protocol being used.
-
-When the server receives a packet from a client with the long header format, it
-compares the client's version to the versions it supports.
-
-If the version selected by the client is not acceptable to the server, the
-server discards the incoming packet and responds with a Version Negotiation
-packet ({{packet-version}}).  This includes a list of versions that the server
-will accept.
+A QUIC connection begins with a client sending a client initial packet
+({{packet-client-initial}}). The details of the handshake mechanisms are
+described in {{handshake}}, but all of the initial packets sent from the client

s/initial/first flight/

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In general, looks good -- and a good platform for future building. > @@ -860,39 +860,93 @@ different IP or port at either endpoint, due to NAT rebinding or mobility, as described in {{migration}}. Finally a connection may be terminated by either endpoint, as described in {{termination}}. + +## Matching Packets to Connections + +Incoming packets are classified on receipt. Packets can either be associated +with an existing connection, be discarded, or - for servers - potentially create +a new connection. + +A packet that can be identified as belonging to an existing connection is I think those fall under existing (stateless reset is for connections that have reached a terminal state) or new (VN). > If the packet contains a version that is acceptable to the server, the server proceeds with the handshake ({{handshake}}). This commits the server to the version that the client selected. -When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet from the server, it should -select an acceptable protocol version. If the server lists an acceptable -version, the client selects that version and reattempts to create a connection -using that version. Though the contents of a packet might not change in + +### Sending and Handling Version Negotiation Packets {#send-vn} + +If the version selected by the client is not acceptable to the server, the +server responds with a Version Negotiation packet ({{packet-version}}). This +includes a list of versions that the server will accept. + +A server sends a Version Negotiation packet for any packet with an unaccepable +version if that packet could create a new connection. This allows a server to Packet types are version-specific. If the server doesn't speak the version, it doesn't know it's a Client Initial. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In general, looks good -- and a good platform for future building.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -860,39 +860,93 @@ different IP or port at either endpoint, due to NAT rebinding or mobility, as
 described in {{migration}}.  Finally a connection may be terminated by either
 endpoint, as described in {{termination}}.
 
+
+## Matching Packets to Connections
+
+Incoming packets are classified on receipt.  Packets can either be associated
+with an existing connection, be discarded, or - for servers - potentially create
+a new connection.
+
+A packet that can be identified as belonging to an existing connection is

I think those fall under existing (stateless reset is for connections that have reached a terminal state) or new (VN).

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 If the packet contains a version that is acceptable to the server, the server
 proceeds with the handshake ({{handshake}}).  This commits the server to the
 version that the client selected.
 
-When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet from the server, it should
-select an acceptable protocol version.  If the server lists an acceptable
-version, the client selects that version and reattempts to create a connection
-using that version.  Though the contents of a packet might not change in
+
+### Sending and Handling Version Negotiation Packets {#send-vn}
+
+If the version selected by the client is not acceptable to the server, the
+server responds with a Version Negotiation packet ({{packet-version}}).  This
+includes a list of versions that the server will accept.
+
+A server sends a Version Negotiation packet for any packet with an unaccepable
+version if that packet could create a new connection.  This allows a server to

Packet types are version-specific. If the server doesn't speak the version, it doesn't know it's a Client Initial.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 If the packet contains a version that is acceptable to the server, the server
 proceeds with the handshake ({{handshake}}).  This commits the server to the
 version that the client selected.
 
-When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet from the server, it should
-select an acceptable protocol version.  If the server lists an acceptable
-version, the client selects that version and reattempts to create a connection
-using that version.  Though the contents of a packet might not change in
+
+### Sending and Handling Version Negotiation Packets {#send-vn}
+
+If the version selected by the client is not acceptable to the server, the
+server responds with a Version Negotiation packet ({{packet-version}}).  This
+includes a list of versions that the server will accept.
+
+A server sends a Version Negotiation packet for any packet with an unaccepable
+version if that packet could create a new connection.  This allows a server to

Ok, that wasn't obvious to me. Can we clarify when to send VN then?

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  • supported_versions field of transport parameters has min size of 4 = (1 version)

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QuicVersion supported_versions<2..2^8-4>;

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closes Issue #736 You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/739 -- Commit Summary -- * Clarify when and what to ACK -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (6) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/739.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/739.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Closes Issue #736

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  • Clarify when and what to ACK

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I tweaked it a little, but this is an improvement. The concern that remains is that we do have a need to send ACK frames even if you only receive ACK frames, but this would still seem to prohibit it.

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Merged #739.

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Closed by #739, though Ian's comment wasn't in the precise form that GitHub wanted.

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This TLS grammar is annoying. ASN.1 is so much better.

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Closed #738.

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----==_mimepart_5994f6ed1f0ad_a9173f95585c7c2c113979-- From nobody Wed Aug 16 18:53:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D615132439 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 18:52:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xXgJZwRhpDnl for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 18:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21DD4132447 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 18:52:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=Z0yQedpFIg6b6aXqLRpdlfPpCrY=; b=Jsqv0EgfeE3mAgNt eOF5kj7DJLn6DHJz5iTqhqnKdGI0Uy3ztriConu08wqRXSqXj08k8J2CaKxLwNba e9cBv7x59i/1yezhSi/nDJPt0DLgduRkiZ/es6hsLk1bBzNUuWXrwVvWWQ82IhRh Xxtxslwp5ZUqMhFEIO4olQkjDoM= Received: by filter0576p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0576p1mdw1-10737-5994F6ED-60 2017-08-17 01:52:45.901046141 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0031p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id x2STPY6tQ7ugR9vw3vU3aQ for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 01:52:45.854 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 01:52:45 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] supported_versions definition is short (#738) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5994f6ed93220_1890c3fd167611c3c515ec"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0gc7Yj41fuxp6gYRydMSCszcX3o23cHioX/4 VoXoXW4b3nKuigcViSYz454Il0mpaXmr0Ba/JGgKsPZoJNdeQjc6NUdvBFcAR+lCOSPt3k9ER46epu kUKx2hVx2rn9SRKvkagF+tP5yYwx6lhV0ijqjTND1GJWK2xmiV6Ajhoa2iYzinVEYA7FGGQM4G9+U9 U= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 01:52:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5994f6ed93220_1890c3fd167611c3c515ec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed by #738. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/738#issuecomment-322947025 ----==_mimepart_5994f6ed93220_1890c3fd167611c3c515ec Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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----==_mimepart_5994f6ed93220_1890c3fd167611c3c515ec-- From nobody Wed Aug 16 18:53:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7066132439 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 18:53:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.453 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.453 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nWHbgwkZNX2W for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 18:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38807132407 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2017 18:53:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=KttuI/WbqyIpehyHqKw4a1VU0/k=; b=TZdzwhINXZOIxOQp XC7OfH0Lh0dJ5EHKnJoVentcXsbL6IsGrFY8i0jR6BBIMoGVSA5FkzJgnrlKpigI P5RQp5i3wypp0CMcOoITCQQVahd+P7jyL7aNvyK5uB5krYeW9NbTIjPNT+De/b8q dNUP3SpmmF+y25Li6GytXDZ8iC4= Received: by filter0468p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0468p1mdw1-21541-5994F708-19 2017-08-17 01:53:12.47508841 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0035p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 8uu7QFiLTLGTnKMAi1it4A for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 01:53:12.459 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 01:53:12 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] supported_versions definition is short (#738) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5994f708312a5_30db3f8316299c349608b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0ZgtUMC8abpXe5yA6ZABTHm7sd9S3qylAPDQ cNbPFivP8jVZHT7WNSVvDrECxBqSydvZovYD9wTgSfX+BYCmIovrzW90S+cOGDthc2Q57P6L36wIDd kVkkxBKN9aGFKrospFhkOd8tJ62Decl3XalITjYCqO71IeunODEJrvvso2/7hyjKncgdBR1DM65ZgQ 4= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 01:53:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5994f708312a5_30db3f8316299c349608b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BTW, for trivial editorial stuff like this, the PR is sufficient (in my opinion). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/738#issuecomment-322947082 ----==_mimepart_5994f708312a5_30db3f8316299c349608b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

BTW, for trivial editorial stuff like this, the PR is sufficient (in my opinion).

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This includes state that can be hard to recover such as outstanding requests, which might otherwise be lost with no easy way to retry them. +An endpoint that receives packets that contain a source IP address and port that I didn't want to accidentally add multipath here. The preemptive thing is a fine idea, which I encourage you to put in an issue, though I suspect that we'll want to park it. BTW, I do want to add multipath. I'm itching to do multipath, but I hear that there are dragons and we're not done here yet. The point about reordering is certainly valid. The new path could be shorter, for instance. Changes inbound. > +An endpoint that see a new source IP address and port (or just a new source +port) on packets from its peer is likely seeing a connection migration at the +peer. + +However, it is also possible that the peer is spoofing its source address in +order to cause the endpoint to send excessive amounts of data to an unwilling +host. If the endpoint sends significantly more data than the peer, connection +migration might be used to amplify the volume of data that an attacker can +generate toward a victim. + +Thus, when seeing a new remote transport address, an endpoint MUST verify that +its peer can receive and respond to packets at that new address. By providing +copies of the frames that it receives, the peer proves that it is receiving +packets at the new address and consents to receive data. + +Prior to validating the new remote address, and endpoint MUST limit the rate of I think that we can limit both here. > +more packets. + +If the remote address is validated successfully, the endpoint MAY increase the +rate that it sends on the new path using the state from the previous path. The +capacity available on the new path might not be the same as the old path. An +endpoint MUST NOT restore its send rate unless it is reasonably sure that the +path is the same as the previous path. For instance, a change in only port +number is likely indicative of a rebinding in a middlebox and not a complete +change in path. This determination likely depends on heuristics, which could be +imperfect; if the new path capacity is significantly reduced, ultimately this +relies on the congestion controller responding to congestion signals and reduce +send rates appropriately. + +After verifying an address, the endpoint might wish to update address validation +tokens ({{address-validation}}) that it has issued to its peer. Previous tokens +might have been invalidated by the migration. Well, not all tokens are invalidated. I'll reword to be more in the form of "do X if Y". -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/732#discussion_r133623312 ----==_mimepart_599523d5d39cc_1091d3fee7702bc3c1048c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1351,6 +1355,14 @@ connection when they move networks.  This includes state that can be hard to
 recover such as outstanding requests, which might otherwise be lost with no easy
 way to retry them.
 
+An endpoint that receives packets that contain a source IP address and port that

I didn't want to accidentally add multipath here. The preemptive thing is a fine idea, which I encourage you to put in an issue, though I suspect that we'll want to park it.

BTW, I do want to add multipath. I'm itching to do multipath, but I hear that there are dragons and we're not done here yet.

The point about reordering is certainly valid. The new path could be shorter, for instance. Changes inbound.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +An endpoint that see a new source IP address and port (or just a new source
+port) on packets from its peer is likely seeing a connection migration at the
+peer.
+
+However, it is also possible that the peer is spoofing its source address in
+order to cause the endpoint to send excessive amounts of data to an unwilling
+host.  If the endpoint sends significantly more data than the peer, connection
+migration might be used to amplify the volume of data that an attacker can
+generate toward a victim.
+
+Thus, when seeing a new remote transport address, an endpoint MUST verify that
+its peer can receive and respond to packets at that new address.  By providing
+copies of the frames that it receives, the peer proves that it is receiving
+packets at the new address and consents to receive data.
+
+Prior to validating the new remote address, and endpoint MUST limit the rate of

I think that we can limit both here.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +more packets.
+
+If the remote address is validated successfully, the endpoint MAY increase the
+rate that it sends on the new path using the state from the previous path.  The
+capacity available on the new path might not be the same as the old path.  An
+endpoint MUST NOT restore its send rate unless it is reasonably sure that the
+path is the same as the previous path.  For instance, a change in only port
+number is likely indicative of a rebinding in a middlebox and not a complete
+change in path.  This determination likely depends on heuristics, which could be
+imperfect; if the new path capacity is significantly reduced, ultimately this
+relies on the congestion controller responding to congestion signals and reduce
+send rates appropriately.
+
+After verifying an address, the endpoint might wish to update address validation
+tokens ({{address-validation}}) that it has issued to its peer.  Previous tokens
+might have been invalidated by the migration.

Well, not all tokens are invalidated. I'll reword to be more in the form of "do X if Y".

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Using a That's actually an editing error on my part. I initially started out with this being only at the start of a stream, but realized that that restriction doesn't necessarily help. Providing related stream information in other STREAM frames isn't necessarily useful, but it can mean more timely provision of relevant metadata in the event of loss or reordering. I decided against prohibiting the field on that basis (and also because it means avoiding a check or two). > +assigning a related stream and the peer opens another stream that includes the +stream ID of the first in the Related Stream ID of the first stream. This +enables straightforward use of QUIC for request-response protocols or protocols +that rely on bidirectional channels. + +This document doesn't proscribe the use of the Related Stream ID field, leaving +decisions about the semantics of related streams to protocols that use QUIC. +Protocols that use QUIC MUST either define the semantics of related streams or +prohibit the use of the Related Stream ID field. Protocols MAY define other +uses for the Related Stream ID field, but are advised that complex relationships +between streams could be poorly supported in generic QUIC implementations. The +INVALID_RELATED_STREAM error code can be used by protocols to signal receipt of +invalid Related Stream ID field values, unless the protocol defines a more +specific error code for the circumstances. + +The Related Stream ID for a stream only needs to be sent once for each (allowing Bah, nouns are overrated. > +This document doesn't proscribe the use of the Related Stream ID field, leaving +decisions about the semantics of related streams to protocols that use QUIC. +Protocols that use QUIC MUST either define the semantics of related streams or +prohibit the use of the Related Stream ID field. Protocols MAY define other +uses for the Related Stream ID field, but are advised that complex relationships +between streams could be poorly supported in generic QUIC implementations. The +INVALID_RELATED_STREAM error code can be used by protocols to signal receipt of +invalid Related Stream ID field values, unless the protocol defines a more +specific error code for the circumstances. + +The Related Stream ID for a stream only needs to be sent once for each (allowing +for retransmissions due to loss). Sending the field on all stream frames with +an offset of 0 ensures that the value is received without duplicating the field +unnecessarily. If the value of the Related Stream ID changes for a stream, the +endpoint that receives the conflicting value MUST treat this as a connection +error of type INVALID_RELATED_STREAM. You both got the idea. Knowing that a stream is paired on the first STREAM frame you receive can make some things easier. I think that we might still end up doing #252 based on the feedback I've heard, it's just not that high a priority. > +invalid Related Stream ID field values, unless the protocol defines a more +specific error code for the circumstances. + +The Related Stream ID for a stream only needs to be sent once for each (allowing +for retransmissions due to loss). Sending the field on all stream frames with +an offset of 0 ensures that the value is received without duplicating the field +unnecessarily. If the value of the Related Stream ID changes for a stream, the +endpoint that receives the conflicting value MUST treat this as a connection +error of type INVALID_RELATED_STREAM. + +A related stream MUST NOT refer to a stream in the "idle" state +({{stream-state-idle}}). Receipt of a STREAM frame that includes a Related +Stream ID field that identifies an "idle" stream MUST be treated as a connection +error of type INVALID_RELATED_STREAM. + + ## Sending and Receiving Data I will use the new code (that got added later in the process). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/720#discussion_r133622704 ----==_mimepart_59952b98442be_272f63fee7702bc3c108712 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2215,6 +2220,16 @@ Offset:
   on a stream - the sum of the re-constructed offset and data length - MUST be
   less than 2^64.
 
+Related Stream ID:
+
+: A 32-bit value containing the stream ID of a stream in the opposite direction.
+  This field is only present if the Offset field is zero length.  Using a

That's actually an editing error on my part. I initially started out with this being only at the start of a stream, but realized that that restriction doesn't necessarily help. Providing related stream information in other STREAM frames isn't necessarily useful, but it can mean more timely provision of relevant metadata in the event of loss or reordering. I decided against prohibiting the field on that basis (and also because it means avoiding a check or two).

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +assigning a related stream and the peer opens another stream that includes the
+stream ID of the first in the Related Stream ID of the first stream.  This
+enables straightforward use of QUIC for request-response protocols or protocols
+that rely on bidirectional channels.
+
+This document doesn't proscribe the use of the Related Stream ID field, leaving
+decisions about the semantics of related streams to protocols that use QUIC.
+Protocols that use QUIC MUST either define the semantics of related streams or
+prohibit the use of the Related Stream ID field.  Protocols MAY define other
+uses for the Related Stream ID field, but are advised that complex relationships
+between streams could be poorly supported in generic QUIC implementations.  The
+INVALID_RELATED_STREAM error code can be used by protocols to signal receipt of
+invalid Related Stream ID field values, unless the protocol defines a more
+specific error code for the circumstances.
+
+The Related Stream ID for a stream only needs to be sent once for each (allowing

Bah, nouns are overrated.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +This document doesn't proscribe the use of the Related Stream ID field, leaving
+decisions about the semantics of related streams to protocols that use QUIC.
+Protocols that use QUIC MUST either define the semantics of related streams or
+prohibit the use of the Related Stream ID field.  Protocols MAY define other
+uses for the Related Stream ID field, but are advised that complex relationships
+between streams could be poorly supported in generic QUIC implementations.  The
+INVALID_RELATED_STREAM error code can be used by protocols to signal receipt of
+invalid Related Stream ID field values, unless the protocol defines a more
+specific error code for the circumstances.
+
+The Related Stream ID for a stream only needs to be sent once for each (allowing
+for retransmissions due to loss).  Sending the field on all stream frames with
+an offset of 0 ensures that the value is received without duplicating the field
+unnecessarily.  If the value of the Related Stream ID changes for a stream, the
+endpoint that receives the conflicting value MUST treat this as a connection
+error of type INVALID_RELATED_STREAM.

You both got the idea. Knowing that a stream is paired on the first STREAM frame you receive can make some things easier.

I think that we might still end up doing #252 based on the feedback I've heard, it's just not that high a priority.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +invalid Related Stream ID field values, unless the protocol defines a more
+specific error code for the circumstances.
+
+The Related Stream ID for a stream only needs to be sent once for each (allowing
+for retransmissions due to loss).  Sending the field on all stream frames with
+an offset of 0 ensures that the value is received without duplicating the field
+unnecessarily.  If the value of the Related Stream ID changes for a stream, the
+endpoint that receives the conflicting value MUST treat this as a connection
+error of type INVALID_RELATED_STREAM.
+
+A related stream MUST NOT refer to a stream in the "idle" state
+({{stream-state-idle}}).  Receipt of a STREAM frame that includes a Related
+Stream ID field that identifies an "idle" stream MUST be treated as a connection
+error of type INVALID_RELATED_STREAM.
+
+
 ## Sending and Receiving Data

I will use the new code (that got added later in the process).

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1351,6 +1355,14 @@ connection when they move networks.  This includes state that can be hard to
 recover such as outstanding requests, which might otherwise be lost with no easy
 way to retry them.
 
+An endpoint that receives packets that contain a source IP address and port that

Ok, so this is explicitly to handle unintentional port/IP migration and intentional port/IP migration without changing paths(ie: privacy preservation)? I wouldn't call that connection migration, which I think of as explicitly moving from one path to the other, but not using both paths at once. I'll re-read this with that in mind.

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----==_mimepart_5995a88e5707_7a8c3fb6629a3c3057170-- From nobody Thu Aug 17 08:00:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5957A13201E for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 08:00:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.473 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.473 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M2OvHmjIeR1f for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 08:00:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7634132153 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 08:00:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=E0ZjHzvKkp3jz4yT4q9aHqcY18U=; b=lXRUpfuZ4s8QwNuy cgo8ymWXzz9Ppb5RBfUIwzSHT/7egmzKssAyIjvXY1YVhSqQQx1o1BCTh6OUp0D0 +dyifaCXULOFpJ5Vip9K09/lsoWX1CgsybI3L6sICHH7L6Br1o9N80HyepWL5NNv Jp30cTsPK0vVeK8pyxne42r2ILk= Received: by filter1099p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1099p1mdw1-25747-5995ACB9-4C 2017-08-17 14:48:25.933787773 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0039p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 0GUPEvwrSLylm3WckW_ZGg for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 14:48:25.703 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 15:00:45 +0000 (UTC) From: Tatsuhiro Tsujikawa Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify when and what to ACK (#739) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5995acb9da97_26d453f9755113c2c814d5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: tatsuhiro-t X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0MCCJxKmSNhS9h/y2FmkLfDOHKA/ptQW3PzS OECvGAb+fVC8fdRA9tNaGr2ElI1TWlUYKWS+2JaGl6A8V3jj2KKYJkHhMqbBuqIVe7ZB+o2p+xyuMS IDZHG2MajrlShSbmixxYSZ7VtYIkMGbG7zaStOyAvAHdAMKoBbM/ULhKvSdfpEU8xV9r4+vMlfTQEt 4= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 15:00:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5995acb9da97_26d453f9755113c2c814d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you. So it precludes generation of ACK packet which only acks one or more ACK only packets. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/739#issuecomment-323095852 ----==_mimepart_5995acb9da97_26d453f9755113c2c814d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Thank you. So it precludes generation of ACK packet which only acks one or more ACK only packets.

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Protocols MAY define other +uses for the Related Stream ID field, but are advised that complex relationships +between streams could be poorly supported in generic QUIC implementations. The +INVALID_RELATED_STREAM error code can be used by protocols to signal receipt of +invalid Related Stream ID field values, unless the protocol defines a more +specific error code for the circumstances. + +The Related Stream ID for a stream only needs to be sent once for each (allowing +for retransmissions due to loss). Sending the field on all stream frames with +an offset of 0 ensures that the value is received without duplicating the field +unnecessarily. If the value of the Related Stream ID changes for a stream, the +endpoint that receives the conflicting value MUST treat this as a connection +error of type INVALID_RELATED_STREAM. I don't think the updated text explicitly says whether **NOT** setting the `R` bit on subsequent frames constitutes a change. I think the simplest way to scope it is that if there's a related stream, `R` MUST be set on the zero-offset frame and MAY be set on other frames, but the value of the Related Stream ID MUST NOT change on subsequent frames if `R` is set. If you receive frames out-of-order and `R` is set, you have the info early; if it's *not* set then you can't do anything with that yet because it might still have been set on some other frame. You still have to wait for the zero-offset frame to conclude that it will never be set. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/720#discussion_r133773301 ----==_mimepart_5995ce18e0ea3_25e73fa5de7b1c2c11508f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +This document doesn't proscribe the use of the Related Stream ID field, leaving
+decisions about the semantics of related streams to protocols that use QUIC.
+Protocols that use QUIC MUST either define the semantics of related streams or
+prohibit the use of the Related Stream ID field.  Protocols MAY define other
+uses for the Related Stream ID field, but are advised that complex relationships
+between streams could be poorly supported in generic QUIC implementations.  The
+INVALID_RELATED_STREAM error code can be used by protocols to signal receipt of
+invalid Related Stream ID field values, unless the protocol defines a more
+specific error code for the circumstances.
+
+The Related Stream ID for a stream only needs to be sent once for each (allowing
+for retransmissions due to loss).  Sending the field on all stream frames with
+an offset of 0 ensures that the value is received without duplicating the field
+unnecessarily.  If the value of the Related Stream ID changes for a stream, the
+endpoint that receives the conflicting value MUST treat this as a connection
+error of type INVALID_RELATED_STREAM.

I don't think the updated text explicitly says whether NOT setting the R bit on subsequent frames constitutes a change. I think the simplest way to scope it is that if there's a related stream, R MUST be set on the zero-offset frame and MAY be set on other frames, but the value of the Related Stream ID MUST NOT change on subsequent frames if R is set.

If you receive frames out-of-order and R is set, you have the info early; if it's not set then you can't do anything with that yet because it might still have been set on some other frame. You still have to wait for the zero-offset frame to conclude that it will never be set.

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HTTP Message Exchanges should have text to describe PUSH_PROMISES. Notably the case of promises interleaved with body data frames after the stream's own response headers, since this was a prime motivation for reverting from the previous draft's scheme to the present one.

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It seems like sending a PING and waiting for an ACK of that packet would= be roughly equivalent to sending a PING with a token and waiting to receiv= e a PONG with that token. Would PING + ACK be sufficient? (I'm probably not= thinking it through clearly) If not, can you elaborate what PING + PONG mi= tigates that PING + ACK does not?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1351,6 +1355,14 @@ connection when they move networks.  This includes state that can be hard to
 recover such as outstanding requests, which might otherwise be lost with no easy
 way to retry them.
 
+An endpoint that receives packets that contain a source IP address and port that

It's intended to be applicable to both.

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As Mike says, PING + ACK isn't sufficient. The attack this defends agai= nst is where the attacker uses their real address to make a connection and = open the congestion window, then they spoof a "migration" and cause the dat= a that the other side is sending to be sent to a victim. In that case, the= attacker can usually guess what packet to ACK and just pretend to receive = the PING.

I don't know how PING with payload is weird. h2 does it. And so does ICMP - though it's called "Echo" a= nd "Echo Reply" there (which is so easy to forget).

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----==_mimepart_5996489dccd84_7f9d3ffa1eea3c304467c-- From nobody Thu Aug 17 18:55:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF0FD132828 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 18:55:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.396 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.396 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13kckgqmFaak for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 18:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1B4E132829 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2017 18:55:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 18:55:06 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1503021306; bh=iVfPocZWli+h5o510KbP3fpbzM9x5t44vew7KZWHzH0=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=0UoPBxlQ8apQ10EWY/W4mKzGqqEzIrSe1uPLx52fPMfd9LJ6f6QTakE4vAX61Sh/N 2XURElrEiAbk+1E7AXvTlVfxckSBr9/pEC+ebjyicWT36q0+tXAIAh2gIoU25uDzFW TzED6jTfGS5WsTU8h83NIwnD/iFrTdJlJAhnPr4E= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add bidirectional streams on top of unidirectional (#720) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_599648fa40f15_3aaa3fb53c845c34273cd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 01:55:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_599648fa40f15_3aaa3fb53c845c34273cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After thinking about the last comment, I think that it is prudent to mandate the inclusion of Related Stream ID on STREAM frames with an offset of 0. That way, recipients have some certainty about where to look for the information. I don't want to end up in a situation where you have a long stream that you start delivering to an application, only to find out right at the end that it was supposed to be related to something else. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/720#issuecomment-323239008 ----==_mimepart_599648fa40f15_3aaa3fb53c845c34273cd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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= ----==_mimepart_59967144ef5d_71aa3fe15954fc341055d9-- From nobody Fri Aug 18 01:35:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44B8C132817 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2017 01:35:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pwrFOuuUxXdh for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2017 01:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11039132815 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2017 01:35:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=+fVmJDjk9u3SCunagoGg7GM7mqQ=; b=VKnqZ0BtoZ6ael8L RS5yBWDyhVZOUPzU+lmlnAlwsYRXxG6iHRoOJ/1FNTwLtpcc7VTCHX0kWbeXoIeh hWY4NMDckVA7LZHDt1BSoP0dcNDtLRTfbBgd6HPHgbK1Smy9bcPjd2bP1Ho4PHAP sTEdgNxK8BHmRGbxzto9QW0VW/8= Received: by filter1086p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1086p1mdw1-9288-5996A6BD-39 2017-08-18 08:35:09.851599813 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0029p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id Tmlx8FKsTTe69iVg4tPbjA for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2017 08:35:09.812 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 08:35:09 +0000 (UTC) From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Address validation for connection migration (#732) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5996a6bd80fb9_1cc5f3fae1a701c3497616"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2nMv+f/SzMB5EZJN9q31Zr7UEWBDnmpl+cyJ 0SOYuPz9dsJmGqL/aMRdpuFIa7wvvjwlzyTdZeM2gYNlAVZZK3eZ44YSJh4xDm1vO3/FkVW7gqGcCG A9R5cpaOcI7Vhrg/E7OAvbd6vKq+fZVjke/gG0nv7FtBeZOzFYeJJ+asr8NUz95TXGgEWH9SnVzGSC Q= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2017 08:35:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5996a6bd80fb9_1cc5f3fae1a701c3497616 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How is it possible to spoof anything once 1RTT encryption is in place? If it is not in place, why would you want to allow connection migration when you can use stateless retry? It seems to be two separate problems. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/732#issuecomment-323294812 ----==_mimepart_5996a6bd80fb9_1cc5f3fae1a701c3497616 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

How is it possible to spoof anything once 1RTT encryption is in place? I= f it is not in place, why would you want to allow connection migration when= you can use stateless retry? It seems to be two separate problems.

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Yes, but I believe it should be 0, 1, or all frames that carry related s= tream id, starting at offset zero. Anything else is rather messy. I'm also = a bit concerned about MUST treat this as an error, because it is either not= enforceable or it implies implementation overhead that is not desirable.

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= ----==_mimepart_5996a77d7de5e_10073fee71a39c34948c5-- From nobody Sun Aug 20 20:58:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB46413240B for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 20:58:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w0rZLxWHjKlJ for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 20:58:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49B38132402 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2017 20:58:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=m+fMo6ZOgFtAPkVbgjjJ+qIAWCk=; b=FG0mxtjo2w0uW9WU 1qHhvmvjXm33HzJZSzAOJCq32pEdc6xaYtAGkYYACC8me2MBtUqazb4bA+c2+++P xQm/arfkEIRPHZEFWFmGY9BTxvhwR8Ug2KWPb4SavHAdUp52l4kuhjpN+WSnqA0c GvCMVOXVhJf5/1/2e9L1sluMOjo= Received: by filter1079p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1079p1mdw1-23295-599A5A75-14 2017-08-21 03:58:45.625327324 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id mXfFBQZ3QSiajEAIKXSjGQ for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 03:58:45.555 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 03:58:45 +0000 (UTC) From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stateless Reset header encoding mandates one octet sequence number length (#742) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_599a5a75723b9_5d7e3f7fd3df7c34105073"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0RZxf8LP9dXRr2m/9NyvzdZpHIDAKFmNNDph 0v1xQwcqnOpeRyB078LpDIx2JjWxFuBL+23p2ny3CoywiUvVdG5on2HUUeO6pFY4CGOXgLpu6eafq1 IrTMAWNxdIa6GY7NFfUJ/VVftUXXQzLQKoSWyVivbrqBjOgT7WUijd2suy0TGBsWKRDMGwwntp7sPi s= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 03:58:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_599a5a75723b9_5d7e3f7fd3df7c34105073 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the draft 05, the stateless reset header is defined as: ~~~ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > |0|C|K| 00001 | > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > | | > + [Connection ID (64)] + > | | ~~~ The first 8 bits mimic the beginning of a short header, with the connection ID optional (C bit), with the key phase arbitrary (K bit), and with a type set to 0x01, which implies "encoding of sequence number on 1 octet". Why 1, instead of 2 or 4? If the server mostly uses a 4 bytes encoding for ongoing connections, the first byte for these connections will typically be 0x42 or 0x44, maybe 0x62 or 0x64 if the key rotates. If the first byte of stateless reset is 0x41, it will stick out. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/742 ----==_mimepart_599a5a75723b9_5d7e3f7fd3df7c34105073 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In the draft 05, the stateless reset header is defined as:

>   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>   |0|C|K|  00001  |
>   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>   |                                                               |
>  +                     [Connection ID (64)]                      +
>   |                                                               |

The first 8 bits mimic the beginning of a short header, with the connection ID optional (C bit), with the key phase arbitrary (K bit), and with a type set to 0x01, which implies "encoding of sequence number on 1 octet". Why 1, instead of 2 or 4?

If the server mostly uses a 4 bytes encoding for ongoing connections, the first byte for these connections will typically be 0x42 or 0x44, maybe 0x62 or 0x64 if the key rotates. If the first byte of stateless reset is 0x41, it will stick out.

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(This really doesn't need to be an issue. The mailing list is better fo= r questions.)

The reason is that a shorter encoding is harder to detect as being out-o= f-sequence. At worst, the recovered sequence number differs from the one o= n the last packet on the flow by 128. 2 or 4 octet encodings will differ b= y more. If you look, the text explicitly allows a different length:

A server MAY use a different short header type, indicating a different p= acket number length, but this allows for the message to be identified as a = stateless reset more easily using heuristics.

The other part to this was that if the server just recovered from a cras= h it probably won't have sent many packets recently, so a smaller encoding = is the safest in that regard.

Given the desire to not stick out, there are a bunch of bad trade-offs w= e can make. We could expand the advice on the quoted text above if you thi= nk that would improve things.

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= ----==_mimepart_599a80a8898a4_3f313fcc4256bc30654c-- From nobody Mon Aug 21 00:14:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE56D1328DB for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 00:14:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.396 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.396 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cva68xRFGy7S for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 00:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8226A1323BB for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 00:14:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=PIYMjCiQoV1u/jtuZidpyDyPPks=; b=pxzUPwRvWiqhUnnn VqNih7Q+ZXAvTE8ADrRYhFILa9HIQfkvwyrmtPfiuue6HTqnDaDC7SSzlboQ802B we1fvS2lzr+PrdLWVLBYqnK+36eqAHxqz5Ly5YIqlK6Wj3uGw/x6SuvKp7MjnTIl 5AAGeu1QOUVvmsL0WjXprv8AMSQ= Received: by filter1071p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1071p1mdw1-15788-599A8864-5C 2017-08-21 07:14:44.549483003 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id zusLgWNJT9-yXshYPK0e-Q for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 07:14:44.544 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 07:14:44 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Define requirements for handling packets (#724) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_599a88646e68b_4af03fbff119dc3c13764e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak27CtJ1p9C4Y11f6Um1Z8jX6K0m0uSQVILbeT qo9+H/tvuqiG/ayXg9E2DnE7/fXtl20PBQwZOjQT9mgo3uXvtbOnzXJyzjicCx50pOCh5zeKr3qmzr TyodlPsyooFKLuLHJM1lfc2cXxb5/0/7Qb8ZaVziI+/V9wW83Jv+uP8xnuc1/+CHrkuqmpYpxKa/VJ 4= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 07:14:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_599a88646e68b_4af03fbff119dc3c13764e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > @@ -860,39 +860,93 @@ different IP or port at either endpoint, due to NAT rebinding or mobility, as described in {{migration}}. Finally a connection may be terminated by either endpoint, as described in {{termination}}. + +## Matching Packets to Connections + +Incoming packets are classified on receipt. Packets can either be associated +with an existing connection, be discarded, or - for servers - potentially create +a new connection. + +A packet that can be identified as belonging to an existing connection is +handled according to the current state of that connection. Packets are +associated with established connections using connection ID if it is present; they mean the same thing, is that a problem? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/724#discussion_r134158811 ----==_mimepart_599a88646e68b_4af03fbff119dc3c13764e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -860,39 +860,93 @@ different IP or port at either endpoint, due to NAT rebinding or mobility, as
 described in {{migration}}.  Finally a connection may be terminated by either
 endpoint, as described in {{termination}}.
 
+
+## Matching Packets to Connections
+
+Incoming packets are classified on receipt.  Packets can either be associated
+with an existing connection, be discarded, or - for servers - potentially create
+a new connection.
+
+A packet that can be identified as belonging to an existing connection is
+handled according to the current state of that connection.  Packets are
+associated with established connections using connection ID if it is present;

they mean the same thing, is that a problem?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+## Matching Packets to Connections
+
+Incoming packets are classified on receipt.  Packets can either be associated
+with an existing connection, be discarded, or - for servers - potentially create
+a new connection.
+
+A packet that can be identified as belonging to an existing connection is
+handled according to the current state of that connection.  Packets are
+associated with established connections using connection ID if it is present;
+this might include connection IDs that were advertised using NEW_CONNECTION_ID
+({{frame-new-connection-id}}).  Packets without connection IDs and long-form
+packets for connections that have incomplete cryptographic handshakes are
+associated using the tuple of source and destination IP addresses and ports.
+
+A packet that uses the short header form could be associated with an existing

I'd be ok with a PR that fixed that. It's just that we don't have clearly established definitions that would allow for the shorter usage.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+A packet that uses the short header form could be associated with an existing
+connection with an incomplete cryptographic handshake.  Such a packet could be a
+valid packet that has been reordered with respect to the long-form packets that
+will complete the cryptographic handshake.  These packets SHOULD be buffered in
+anticipation of the handshake completing.
+
+Buffering ensures that data is not lost, which improves performance; conversely,
+discarding these packets could create false loss signals for the congestion
+controllers.  However, limiting the number and size of buffered packets might be
+needed to prevent exposure to denial of service.
+
+For clients, all packets that cannot be associated with a connection MUST be
+discarded.  Discarded packets MAY be logged for diagnostic or security purposes.
+
+For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create

I was trying to save words here. I figured that this was used enough to be implicit by now.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 If the packet contains a version that is acceptable to the server, the server
 proceeds with the handshake ({{handshake}}).  This commits the server to the
 version that the client selected.
 
-When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet from the server, it should
-select an acceptable protocol version.  If the server lists an acceptable
-version, the client selects that version and reattempts to create a connection
-using that version.  Though the contents of a packet might not change in
+
+### Sending and Handling Version Negotiation Packets {#send-vn}
+
+If the version selected by the client is not acceptable to the server, the
+server responds with a Version Negotiation packet ({{packet-version}}).  This
+includes a list of versions that the server will accept.
+
+A server sends a Version Negotiation packet for any packet with an unaccepable
+version if that packet could create a new connection.  This allows a server to

In what way is this text not providing that clarification? if (might_create_a_connection && !acceptable(version)) { send_vn() }

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -860,39 +860,93 @@ different IP or port at either endpoint, due to NAT rebinding or mobility, as
 described in {{migration}}.  Finally a connection may be terminated by either
 endpoint, as described in {{termination}}.
 
+
+## Matching Packets to Connections
+
+Incoming packets are classified on receipt.  Packets can either be associated
+with an existing connection, be discarded, or - for servers - potentially create
+a new connection.
+
+A packet that can be identified as belonging to an existing connection is

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  ## Version Negotiation {#version-negotiation}
 
 QUIC's connection establishment begins with version negotiation, since all
 communication between the endpoints, including packet and frame formats, relies
 on the two endpoints agreeing on a version.
 
-A QUIC connection begins with a client sending a handshake packet. The details
-of the handshake mechanisms are described in {{handshake}}, but all of the
-initial packets sent from the client to the server MUST use the long header
-format and MUST specify the version of the protocol being used.
-
-When the server receives a packet from a client with the long header format, it
-compares the client's version to the versions it supports.
-
-If the version selected by the client is not acceptable to the server, the
-server discards the incoming packet and responds with a Version Negotiation
-packet ({{packet-version}}).  This includes a list of versions that the server
-will accept.
+A QUIC connection begins with a client sending a client initial packet
+({{packet-client-initial}}). The details of the handshake mechanisms are
+described in {{handshake}}, but all of the initial packets sent from the client

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a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1503303143; bh=bKwsRErK79dNRStVBb7a455si2hXBXuZ+hpiQUr5yW4=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=QkPZDMo2oKzxHKhADNalHyWk9osVmqTWicxaoLuPZd7eojXvpRAXu8l54VvwQQr/B BdfzCW6GeCKokkRCqZ+GIivGz0wgsbW+Q1mD2ZMY1eNtH7P9dqATX/4F2Hw3er6Q1x Ntz/UkXqMVKM5GuMci9kfke9s5j7bVF0kpOd8cro= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] IP Anycast with server IP+Port renegotiation (#560) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_599a95e731ca_428b3faf87109c3c158137"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 08:12:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_599a95e731ca_428b3faf87109c3c158137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Echoing Christian's and Thomas' comments. The early-handoff of clients to a specific address could be a useful capability for deployments. In addtion to anycast, this could also be beneficial for load balanced deployments that use ECMP. The compromise with the TLS extension is that relocation chaining would not be supported (e.g. a service on one anycast IP, directs to another anycast IP, that directs to a non-anycast IP). A MIGRATE frame could deal with this, along with a multitude of other more complex deployments. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/560#issuecomment-323676438 ----==_mimepart_599a95e731ca_428b3faf87109c3c158137 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Echoing Christian's and Thomas' comments.

The early-handoff of clients to a specific address could be a useful c= apability for deployments. In addtion to anycast, this could also be bene= ficial for load balanced deployments that use ECMP.

The compromise with the TLS extension is that relocation chaining woul= d not be supported (e.g. a service on one anycast IP, directs to another = anycast IP, that directs to a non-anycast IP). A MIGRATE frame could deal= with this, along with a multitude of other more complex deployments.

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Would not one be able to use Server-generated Connection ID to encode th= e server/pop containing state for this connection? In case of BGP reconver= gence, the server/load balancer would examine the Connection ID and tunnel = the packet to the correct server/pop.

If a true "Alt-Svc-for-QUIC" is needed, I am all for migrating truly use= ful features to lower layers (like transport). But does this feature HAVE = to belong in transport? Since we are already considering not using a 5-tup= le to identify a connection (see #714), a MIGRATE signal can be an application-level signal, as = long as the QUIC library API allows the application to change its endpoint'= s IP/port.

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We've prevaricated on this one, and I don't think that we have consensus on the outcome.

Does a stream become closed when all data is sent the first time, or when that data is acknowledged? The same question applies to RST_STREAM: is the stream closed when RST_STREAM is sent, or when it is acknowledged?

With the move to maximum stream identifiers, this question matters less than it did previously, but I think that it still deserves an answer.

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----==_mimepart_599b8a4cfc05_548e3fd319943c306684c-- From nobody Mon Aug 21 18:43:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE3C132812 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 18:43:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RQU-oudJnhF0 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 18:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27481132AF3 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2017 18:43:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 18:43:24 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1503366204; bh=KcTut+PUgoVYIKqqzrvGI2qnowZ7Q5YTk7MXHxMU7Y8=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=sc4ZuUUX96gnXj80/8kdXtEN/MLfyfNfdYJ6aE+ZtN0tx6zsM0T5kVcAVFRIHAxKd 41pyrkxORjYCgUdra/fpI38/sgW+1Y9F7kEXUm4/lWDk0oeOVAFCSPdDXpDOQ1xJ+s ARcHNIlp6/UF50F5XOu5bXklo93nl9Sk5xtqDIR4= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Graceful shutdown (#604) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_599b8c3c4785c_2c8933fd791acfc30326cc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 01:43:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_599b8c3c4785c_2c8933fd791acfc30326cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's the model that I've been using to drive the design for HTTP: ## Model Each endpoint has a set of goals for the connection. For an HTTP client, that is to make a certain set of requests and get responses to those requests (add push and you might include getting responses to any pushes as well). An HTTP server doesn't really have goals of its own, it largely wants to ensure that clients achieve their goals. The process goes approximately like this: 1. Agree to what goals will be attempted. In HTTP GOAWAY is used to divide the space of potential requests into two sets: those that might be fulfilled and those that won't be. This might require a bit of iteration or negotiation. Here, GOAWAY can be sent multiple times with reducing values. 2. Complete those goals that you agree to. That could take any amount of time, during which there might be a reassessment of the agreement on either side (in which case, goto 1). 3. Once agreed goals are complete, which could mean attempted and failed, then close. An HTTP client can walk away as soon as it gets responses to all agreed requests (and pushes). An HTTP server can walk away as soon as it knows that the client got all the responses. That doesn't suggest much more mechanism than a TIME_WAIT (or DRAIN) period during which any ACKs can be generated in response to unnecessary retransmissions of STREAM and other frames. I don't see a way that this can be translated into artifacts that are visible to the transport without some bad compromises. Critically, the process could take an indeterminate period. Also, HTTP shows that stream creation has to continue beyond the point that a shutdown is initiated. ## Alternative: When Streams Close The most plausible suggestion I've heard for this is to make stream closure the signal. When all streams are closed, then the connection can be discarded. I don't think that it produces the right outcome either. Aside: The fact that this approach doesn't work with unidirectional streams is indicative of a critical point: that connection state isn't necessarily bound to any one stream. Let's say that the decision to close streams is driven by the above logic and that closing any remaining streams creates the signal to the transport. What has this gained? It's just indirection: rather than telling the transport to close, the application is using other existing APIs to generate an indirect signal. (We'd also have to resolve better the question of [what closed means](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/743), which doesn't currently suit any mechanism that requires strong assurances about the state.) Closing stream 1 on HTTP would take an RTT or two, during which time no useful work is performed, and then you transition into the DRAIN timer. That's wasteful; why do that when the alternative (closing when you are done) is so simple and appealing? Not to mention the secondary effects of the choice: you can no longer treat closure of stream 1 as a protocol error because it's potentially a shutdown signal. And now there are two signals that can get confused. If a shutdown wasn't negotiated you might still see a stream close. Does that mean that you missed a GOAWAY? There might be value in an explicit signal at the point that an application decided to abandon the connection, but we'd have to establish that a signal is both necessary and justified. Signals like this take time to exchange. ## Applicability Seems Right I tend to agree with @mirjak on the point regarding applicability. If this is as amorphous as my model suggests, then text in an applicability statement is perfect. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/604#issuecomment-323895947 ----==_mimepart_599b8c3c4785c_2c8933fd791acfc30326cc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Here's the model that I've been using to drive the design for HTTP:

Model

Each endpoint has a set of goals for the connection.

For an HTTP client, that is to make a certain set of requests and get = responses to those requests (add push and you might include getting respo= nses to any pushes as well). An HTTP server doesn't really have goals of= its own, it largely wants to ensure that clients achieve their goals.

The process goes approximately like this:

  1. Agree to what goals will be attempted. In HTTP GOAWAY is used to divi= de the space of potential requests into two sets: those that might be ful= filled and those that won't be. This might require a bit of iteration or= negotiation. Here, GOAWAY can be sent multiple times with reducing valu= es.

  2. Complete those goals that you agree to. That could take any amount of= time, during which there might be a reassessment of the agreement on eit= her side (in which case, goto 1).

  3. Once agreed goals are complete, which could mean attempted and failed,= then close. An HTTP client can walk away as soon as it gets responses t= o all agreed requests (and pushes). An HTTP server can walk away as soon= as it knows that the client got all the responses.

That doesn't suggest much more mechanism than a TIME_WAIT (or DRAIN) p= eriod during which any ACKs can be generated in response to unnecessary r= etransmissions of STREAM and other frames.

I don't see a way that this can be translated into artifacts that are = visible to the transport without some bad compromises. Critically, the p= rocess could take an indeterminate period. Also, HTTP shows that stream = creation has to continue beyond the point that a shutdown is initiated.

Alternative: When Streams Close

The most plausible suggestion I've heard for this is to make stream cl= osure the signal. When all streams are closed, then the connection can b= e discarded. I don't think that it produces the right outcome either.

Aside: The fact that this approach doesn't work with unidirectional st= reams is indicative of a critical point: that connection state isn't nece= ssarily bound to any one stream.

Let's say that the decision to close streams is driven by the above lo= gic and that closing any remaining streams creates the signal to the tran= sport. What has this gained? It's just indirection: rather than telling= the transport to close, the application is using other existing APIs to = generate an indirect signal. (We'd also have to resolve better the quest= ion of what = closed means, which doesn't currently suit any mechanism that require= s strong assurances about the state.)

Closing stream 1 on HTTP would take an RTT or two, during which time n= o useful work is performed, and then you transition into the DRAIN timer.= That's wasteful; why do that when the alternative (closing when you are= done) is so simple and appealing? Not to mention the secondary effects = of the choice: you can no longer treat closure of stream 1 as a protocol = error because it's potentially a shutdown signal. And now there are two = signals that can get confused. If a shutdown wasn't negotiated you might= still see a stream close. Does that mean that you missed a GOAWAY?

There might be value in an explicit signal at the point that an applic= ation decided to abandon the connection, but we'd have to establish that = a signal is both necessary and justified. Signals like this take time to= exchange.

Applicability Seems Right

I tend to agree with @mirjak on the point regarding applicability. If this is= as amorphous as my model suggests, then text in an applicability stateme= nt is perfect.

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This removes the bad advice in PING about keeping connections alive and goes
for a more nuanced description. The transport contains generic advice and a
recommendation that application protocols provide further guidance. The HTTP
mapping specifies that the client is the one that performs keep-alives and that
it should only do so if it is waiting on responses from the server.

Closes #729.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/744

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -packet containing this frame. The PING frame SHOULD be used to keep a connection
-alive when a stream is open. The default is to send a PING frame after 15
-seconds of quiescence. A PING frame has no additional fields.
+packet containing this frame.
+
+A PING frame has no additional fields.
+
+The PING frame can be used to keep a connection alive when an application or
+application protocol wishes to avoid the connection from timing out.  An
+application protocol SHOULD provide guidance about the conditions under which
+generating a PING is recommended.  This guidance SHOULD indicate whether it is
+the client or the server that is expected to send the PING.  Having both
+endpoints send PING frames without coordination can cause excessive number of
+packets and poor performance.
+
+A connection will time out if no packets are for a period longer than the time

I believe you meant to say something like if no packets are sent or received for a period longer or if there are no packets for a period longer.

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I think this is actually connected to the keep-alive question. I agree= that there should be some (configurable) timer, after which the connecti= on should simply be closed, or a ping sent if explicitly indicated by the= application that keep-alives should be used and the connection is not re= ady be closed yet.

Therefore I would say the default should be silent close after a certa= in idle time and no pings, given that an application away needs to be pr= epared that a connection doesn't work any more even after a short idle ti= me (if e.g. the network state is gone because the UDP timeouts was incred= ibly low) and also given that quic is optimized to minimize start-up late= ncy and therefore reconnecting is fast.

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= ----==_mimepart_599c5bc4af88d_45673fc3daa37c34226a7-- From nobody Tue Aug 22 14:50:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A20132648 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 14:50:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ehrt4DU0n9D7 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 14:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext7.iad.github.net [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 81DBF1329E5 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 14:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 14:50:49 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1503438649; bh=LlZSjhNZ0A3A0matxDmze6Rba3aOaw5fzRT1qydiM1c=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=CaQNRXvsqa+7Q4PfCDf5LYSrPSaWRdV96EAknU9VgsLVolmhfGJaVsvCekGaDRoVg Mf9Smn46tqTeAvquKNIAEOohDiMllvaT5saGI344w2tpQpLPQFq7HalruJubIMkx1Z uY9+0e4Q6hkGaT7IgvAAEfs1aYgi7M3Lm0aG71Do= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Keep-alive requirements (#744) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_599ca739541ee_189c3f8dd24a9c382660dd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 21:50:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_599ca739541ee_189c3f8dd24a9c382660dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop approved this pull request. LGTM, modulo what I hope is an extra negation rather than a real disagreement. > @@ -841,6 +841,22 @@ A server MUST treat a MAX_PUSH_ID frame payload that is other than 4 octets in length as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_MAX_PUSH_ID. +# Connection Management + +QUIC connections are persistent. All of the considerations in Section 9.1 of +{{?RFC7540}} apply to the management of QUIC connections. + +HTTP clients are expected to use QUIC PING frames to keep connections open. +Servers SHOULD NOT use PING frames to keep a connection open. A client SHOULD +NOT use PING frames for this purpose unless there are no responses outstanding I think you have one more negative here than you meant. A client SHOULD NOT use PING frames for this purpose when there are no responses outstanding. If you're waiting on a server response, that's exactly when it's critical to keep the connection alive and the NAT bindings fresh, so that you're sure you can get the server response when it finally arrives. If you're not waiting on anything, that's when it's fine to let the connection idle and potentially close. > @@ -841,6 +841,22 @@ A server MUST treat a MAX_PUSH_ID frame payload that is other than 4 octets in length as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_MAX_PUSH_ID. +# Connection Management + +QUIC connections are persistent. All of the considerations in Section 9.1 of +{{?RFC7540}} apply to the management of QUIC connections. + +HTTP clients are expected to use QUIC PING frames to keep connections open. +Servers SHOULD NOT use PING frames to keep a connection open. A client SHOULD +NOT use PING frames for this purpose unless there are no responses outstanding +for requests or server pushes. If the client is not expecting a response from +the server, allowing an idle connection to time out (based on the idle_timeout +transport parameter) is preferred over expending effort maintaining a connection +that might not be needed. A gateway MAY use PING to maintain connections in +anticipation of need rather than incur the latency cost of connection +establishment to servers. Why does the 0-RTT argument not apply to gateways? Why does the logic that applies to gateways not apply to clients? I'd just generically say that letting the connection idle out is preferred, but you MAY keep a connection open if you think you'll need it again soon. > @@ -1786,9 +1786,24 @@ than it has sent, unless this is a result of a change in the initial limits (see Endpoints can use PING frames (type=0x07) to verify that their peers are still alive or to check reachability to the peer. The PING frame contains no additional fields. The receiver of a PING frame simply needs to acknowledge the -packet containing this frame. The PING frame SHOULD be used to keep a connection -alive when a stream is open. The default is to send a PING frame after 15 -seconds of quiescence. A PING frame has no additional fields. +packet containing this frame. + +A PING frame has no additional fields. + +The PING frame can be used to keep a connection alive when an application or +application protocol wishes to avoid the connection from timing out. An Possible dialect difference: "avoid ... from" doesn't sound right to me. I'd have expected to see "keep ... from" or "prevent a connection time-out." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/744#pullrequestreview-57921897 ----==_mimepart_599ca739541ee_189c3f8dd24a9c382660dd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@MikeBishop approved this pull request.

LGTM, modulo what I hope is an extra negation rather than a real disagreement.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -841,6 +841,22 @@ A server MUST treat a MAX_PUSH_ID frame payload that is other than 4 octets in
 length as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_MAX_PUSH_ID.
 
 
+# Connection Management
+
+QUIC connections are persistent.  All of the considerations in Section 9.1 of
+{{?RFC7540}} apply to the management of QUIC connections.
+
+HTTP clients are expected to use QUIC PING frames to keep connections open.
+Servers SHOULD NOT use PING frames to keep a connection open.  A client SHOULD
+NOT use PING frames for this purpose unless there are no responses outstanding

I think you have one more negative here than you meant. A client SHOULD NOT use PING frames for this purpose when there are no responses outstanding. If you're waiting on a server response, that's exactly when it's critical to keep the connection alive and the NAT bindings fresh, so that you're sure you can get the server response when it finally arrives. If you're not waiting on anything, that's when it's fine to let the connection idle and potentially close.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -841,6 +841,22 @@ A server MUST treat a MAX_PUSH_ID frame payload that is other than 4 octets in
 length as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_MAX_PUSH_ID.
 
 
+# Connection Management
+
+QUIC connections are persistent.  All of the considerations in Section 9.1 of
+{{?RFC7540}} apply to the management of QUIC connections.
+
+HTTP clients are expected to use QUIC PING frames to keep connections open.
+Servers SHOULD NOT use PING frames to keep a connection open.  A client SHOULD
+NOT use PING frames for this purpose unless there are no responses outstanding
+for requests or server pushes.  If the client is not expecting a response from
+the server, allowing an idle connection to time out (based on the idle_timeout
+transport parameter) is preferred over expending effort maintaining a connection
+that might not be needed.  A gateway MAY use PING to maintain connections in
+anticipation of need rather than incur the latency cost of connection
+establishment to servers.

Why does the 0-RTT argument not apply to gateways? Why does the logic that applies to gateways not apply to clients? I'd just generically say that letting the connection idle out is preferred, but you MAY keep a connection open if you think you'll need it again soon.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1786,9 +1786,24 @@ than it has sent, unless this is a result of a change in the initial limits (see
 Endpoints can use PING frames (type=0x07) to verify that their peers are still
 alive or to check reachability to the peer. The PING frame contains no
 additional fields. The receiver of a PING frame simply needs to acknowledge the
-packet containing this frame. The PING frame SHOULD be used to keep a connection
-alive when a stream is open. The default is to send a PING frame after 15
-seconds of quiescence. A PING frame has no additional fields.
+packet containing this frame.
+
+A PING frame has no additional fields.
+
+The PING frame can be used to keep a connection alive when an application or
+application protocol wishes to avoid the connection from timing out.  An

Possible dialect difference: "avoid ... from" doesn't sound right to me. I'd have expected to see "keep ... from" or "prevent a connection time-out."

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Thinking modularly, I'd argue that it should happen when the frames are = submitted for transmission; the stream state machine shouldn't be dependent= on ACKs and retransmissions. The receiver is necessarily going to lag a l= ittle bit due to those things, but the situation of there being a lag is no= t remedied by making the lagging party be the sender instead. This also mi= rrors flow control, where the window is consumed as soon as the frames are = submitted, even if they haven't been sent yet.

As you note, the reason we considered switching the lag was to make the = sender more conservative about which streams are in which state to avoid ac= cidentally violating max_concurrent_streams. That's no longer an issue, si= nce the receiver is the one controlling that now.

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I don't see this as being ALTSVC -- ALTSVC by definition implies the oth= er endpoint is an acceptable alternative the client should conside= r for the future, not a "move now" directive. However, I do see this as be= ing a special case of server-side migration. We can borrow the logic from = Teredo of sending appropriate bubble packets to open the NAT, but we should= keep things symmetrical with an eye toward peer-to-peer uses of QUIC.

Perhaps the MIGRATE frame simply says, "I expect to shortly begin using = this IP/port/Connection ID; please send a PING frame to that destination"? = The recipient then begins the process in #732 as if it had just received a packet from that IP/po= rt.

We'd need to think about attacks where the sender knows there's an exist= ing QUIC connection at that IP/port with that Connection ID (the attempt to= validate then looks like an address change from the target connection's pe= er), but I'd hope that it's sufficiently difficult to force your connection= to use the same key as the target, so decryption would just drop the packe= t.

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When thinking about peer-to-peer use-cases, it will obviously be common for both ends to be behind a NAT or (in a datacenter) behind a load balancer. If we're talking about having load-balancer routing information baked into the Connection ID, we might need different connection IDs in each direction.

This would be relatively easy, since we're already talking about putting the Connection ID into the transport parameters -- each party just declares what Connection ID it wants the other party to use when sending packets to it, and the client's initial Connection ID is just a throw-away. (Which might coincidentally be the same as one or both of the Connection IDs they agree to use.) If you don't want/need a Connection ID included in your direction, simply don't provide a value for this setting. At the same time, you'd want to make the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame symmetric rather than server-only.

Dual NATs would also imply that PING frames need to be sent in both directions for keep-alive purposes, which affects the guidance being added to HTTP in #744.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -packet containing this frame. The PING frame SHOULD be used to keep a connection
-alive when a stream is open. The default is to send a PING frame after 15
-seconds of quiescence. A PING frame has no additional fields.
+packet containing this frame.
+
+A PING frame has no additional fields.
+
+The PING frame can be used to keep a connection alive when an application or
+application protocol wishes to avoid the connection from timing out.  An
+application protocol SHOULD provide guidance about the conditions under which
+generating a PING is recommended.  This guidance SHOULD indicate whether it is
+the client or the server that is expected to send the PING.  Having both
+endpoints send PING frames without coordination can cause excessive number of
+packets and poor performance.
+
+A connection will time out if no packets are for a period longer than the time

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It depends on the model you assume. That assumes a handoff between th= e stream and some transmit/retransmit machinery.

The other model, one that I prefer, is one where the transmission mach= inery pulls from available streams. It uses priority to determine what t= o send, preferring data that has already been sent. In that case, data o= n streams could remain attributed to the stream until it is acknowledged.= The advantage here is potentially better prioritization and the cost is= a potential increase in the number of bytes that are outstanding without= acknowledgment.

Neither model is more modular than the other, the line just appears in= a different place.

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I like the idea, but we need to take care of the potential for DOS. > +Prior to validating the new remote address, and endpoint MUST limit the amount +of data and packets that it sends to its peer. At a minimum, this needs to +consider the possibility that packets are sent without congestion feedback. + +Once a connection is established, address validation is relatively simple (see +{{address-validation}} for the process that is used during the handshake). An +endpoint validates a remote address by sending a PING frame containing a payload +that is hard to guess. This frame MUST be sent in a packet that is sent to the +new address. Once a PONG frame containing the same payload is received, the +address is considered to be valid. The PONG frame can use any path on its +return. A PING frame containing 12 randomly generated {{?RFC4086}} octets is +sufficient to ensure that it is easier to receive the packet than it is to guess +the value correctly. + +If validation of the new remote address fails, after allowing enough time for +possible loss and recovery of packets carrying PING and PONG frames, the This opens a man-on-the-side denial of service attack on established connections. Obtain a valid packet from peer A, and race a copy to peer B from a different IP address. B receives the packet, the decryption works, B thus sends a PING to the new address, the PONG of course never comes back, and B drop the connection. Not good. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/732#pullrequestreview-57947672 ----==_mimepart_599cce0240c87_7aa53f94fff07c3c5164c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@huitema commented on this pull request.

I like the idea, but we need to take care of the potential for DOS.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Prior to validating the new remote address, and endpoint MUST limit the amount
+of data and packets that it sends to its peer.  At a minimum, this needs to
+consider the possibility that packets are sent without congestion feedback.
+
+Once a connection is established, address validation is relatively simple (see
+{{address-validation}} for the process that is used during the handshake).  An
+endpoint validates a remote address by sending a PING frame containing a payload
+that is hard to guess.  This frame MUST be sent in a packet that is sent to the
+new address.  Once a PONG frame containing the same payload is received, the
+address is considered to be valid.  The PONG frame can use any path on its
+return.  A PING frame containing 12 randomly generated {{?RFC4086}} octets is
+sufficient to ensure that it is easier to receive the packet than it is to guess
+the value correctly.
+
+If validation of the new remote address fails, after allowing enough time for
+possible loss and recovery of packets carrying PING and PONG frames, the

This opens a man-on-the-side denial of service attack on established connections. Obtain a valid packet from peer A, and race a copy to peer B from a different IP address. B receives the packet, the decryption works, B thus sends a PING to the new address, the PONG of course never comes back, and B drop the connection. Not good.

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At a minimum, this needs to +consider the possibility that packets are sent without congestion feedback. + +Once a connection is established, address validation is relatively simple (see +{{address-validation}} for the process that is used during the handshake). An +endpoint validates a remote address by sending a PING frame containing a payload +that is hard to guess. This frame MUST be sent in a packet that is sent to the +new address. Once a PONG frame containing the same payload is received, the +address is considered to be valid. The PONG frame can use any path on its +return. A PING frame containing 12 randomly generated {{?RFC4086}} octets is +sufficient to ensure that it is easier to receive the packet than it is to guess +the value correctly. + +If validation of the new remote address fails, after allowing enough time for +possible loss and recovery of packets carrying PING and PONG frames, the Firstly, this isn't new, but it suggests some more work (more on this below). I considered this, but didn't give it enough thought. The reason I dismissed this was that the very next packet from the victim will come from a genuine address and it will appear to be yet another migration, correcting the problem. As long as that happens, the attacker only causes a few packets to be sent to it. But then the next packet might take too long to arrive to be relevant. That suggests some changes: 1. Abandon any tests on a previous address if a packet from another new address is seen. (Use packet numbers to ensure that you can detect the most recent packet.) 2. Require that the endpoint that observes the migration ping the old address as well. The first ensures that that the raced packet can't cause a flip to stick. Unless the attacker can reliably capture and win a race on every packet, thereby denying service. The second ensures that if this attack happens and the old address remains valid, a packet will be seen on the old address, causing the migration to switch back. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Prior to validating the new remote address, and endpoint MUST limit the amount
+of data and packets that it sends to its peer.  At a minimum, this needs to
+consider the possibility that packets are sent without congestion feedback.
+
+Once a connection is established, address validation is relatively simple (see
+{{address-validation}} for the process that is used during the handshake).  An
+endpoint validates a remote address by sending a PING frame containing a payload
+that is hard to guess.  This frame MUST be sent in a packet that is sent to the
+new address.  Once a PONG frame containing the same payload is received, the
+address is considered to be valid.  The PONG frame can use any path on its
+return.  A PING frame containing 12 randomly generated {{?RFC4086}} octets is
+sufficient to ensure that it is easier to receive the packet than it is to guess
+the value correctly.
+
+If validation of the new remote address fails, after allowing enough time for
+possible loss and recovery of packets carrying PING and PONG frames, the

Firstly, this isn't new, but it suggests some more work (more on this below).

I considered this, but didn't give it enough thought. The reason I dismissed this was that the very next packet from the victim will come from a genuine address and it will appear to be yet another migration, correcting the problem. As long as that happens, the attacker only causes a few packets to be sent to it. But then the next packet might take too long to arrive to be relevant.

That suggests some changes:

  1. Abandon any tests on a previous address if a packet from another new address is seen. (Use packet numbers to ensure that you can detect the most recent packet.)
  2. Require that the endpoint that observes the migration ping the old address as well.

The first ensures that that the raced packet can't cause a flip to stick. Unless the attacker can reliably capture and win a race on every packet, thereby denying service.

The second ensures that if this attack happens and the old address remains valid, a packet will be seen on the old address, causing the migration to switch back.

Does that work?

Or, we could design multipath...

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_599cdf4974983_515e3feb7a559c2c1260e3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 01:50:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_599cdf4974983_515e3feb7a559c2c1260e3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/mots-migration Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 481a7b5bfc24e9b11ea9dc1cbee1ad96975c10d4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/481a7b5bfc24e9b11ea9dc1cbee1ad96975c10d4 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-23 (Wed, 23 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Avoid attack on address validation during connection migration The attack here is that an attacker might duplicate a legitimate packet and send that packet from an invalid address such that it arrives before the real copy. That causes the recipient to think that there was a connection migration. They will attempt to validate that address and this will fail. The connection is then closed. The fix is to cause a migration back to the original, legitimate address. For this to work, you need two things: 1. when a migration happens, abandon any validation on the old address on the expectation that it will fail 2. when a migration happens, make sure that you try to trigger packets from the old address first For the second point, I decided to mandate address validation, rather than an ordinary PING. The reason being that you have to retransmit the packet on that path and I doubt that implementations will want to have two sets of special machinery for transmiting - and retransmitting - frames on a specific path. Maybe this is too much of a constraint on implementations, so I'd like to hear from people about whether they would prefer a more generic requirement (send any packet that demands acknowledgment would work, it doesn't even have to be the same packet every time, though the usual situation will be that the packet will be lost, so you probably don't want to send anything important). ----==_mimepart_599cdf4974983_515e3feb7a559c2c1260e3-- From nobody Tue Aug 22 18:51:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00022132721 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 18:51:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DQYLSRMi6Luf for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 18:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext4.iad.github.net [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE3571321BE for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 18:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 18:51:34 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1503453094; bh=KoN2S8p/kPFH58jYzIDmHz88puZwiI5BukzAjllXvPk=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=1oPKkcjUFRi5+NXFDEx2FP7hImEuTMejykPie9GMQhhd7osEsrOfYHp9mD0V2wS0U i0STnBOeD4WcdSYhR99vbZ+T27Tu1Lqf2mKwYbOHSYy0YrIxdzfCvbrUpGL7mqWSYH 2SctrfgVarEzwwkcaJRNBEcg7PMg2BCVjxlZyu8o= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Avoid attack on address validation during connection migration (#746) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_599cdfa5f3b41_c3ec3f999ed11c2c1002e0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 01:51:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_599cdfa5f3b41_c3ec3f999ed11c2c1002e0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The attack here is that an attacker might duplicate a legitimate packet and send that packet from an invalid address such that it arrives before the real copy. That causes the recipient to think that there was a connection migration. They will attempt to validate that address and this will fail. The connection is then closed. The fix is to cause a migration back to the original, legitimate address. For this to work, you need two things: 1. when a migration happens, abandon any validation on the old address on the expectation that it will fail 2. when a migration happens, make sure that you try to trigger packets from the old address first For the second point, I decided to mandate address validation, rather than an ordinary PING. The reason being that you have to retransmit the packet on that path and I doubt that implementations will want to have two sets of special machinery for transmiting - and retransmitting - frames on a specific path. Maybe this is too much of a constraint on implementations, so I'd like to hear from people about whether they would prefer a more generic requirement (send any packet that demands acknowledgment would work, it doesn't even have to be the same packet every time, though the usual situation will be that the packet will be lost, so you probably don't want to send anything important). You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/746 -- Commit Summary -- * Avoid attack on address validation during connection migration -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (47) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/746.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/746.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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The attack here is that an attacker might duplicate a legitimate packet and
send that packet from an invalid address such that it arrives before the real
copy. That causes the recipient to think that there was a connection
migration. They will attempt to validate that address and this will fail. The
connection is then closed.

The fix is to cause a migration back to the original, legitimate address. For
this to work, you need two things:

  1. when a migration happens, abandon any validation on the old address on the
    expectation that it will fail

  2. when a migration happens, make sure that you try to trigger packets from the
    old address first

For the second point, I decided to mandate address validation, rather than an
ordinary PING. The reason being that you have to retransmit the packet on that
path and I doubt that implementations will want to have two sets of special
machinery for transmiting - and retransmitting - frames on a specific path.
Maybe this is too much of a constraint on implementations, so I'd like to hear
from people about whether they would prefer a more generic requirement (send
any packet that demands acknowledgment would work, it doesn't even have to be
the same packet every time, though the usual situation will be that the packet
will be lost, so you probably don't want to send anything important).

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/746

Commit Summary

  • Avoid attack on address validation during connection migration

File Changes

Patch Links:

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@huitema, does this address your concerns on #732?

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  • Address validation for connection migration
  • 0x0d
  • Review comments
  • Avoid attack on address validation during connection migration
  • These errors are too much out of our control
  • And we don't need to run them more, which only makes it worse

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I think we are still missing something. We need to somehow tie the packets to the new path, in a cryptographic way. One potential solution is to use a new connection ID for the new path. That way, third parties cannot forward a PING or PONG meant for one path to the other path. But this needs work. And yes, it is very close to multipath. > @@ -1453,6 +1453,10 @@ return. A PING frame containing 12 randomly generated {{?RFC4086}} octets is sufficient to ensure that it is easier to receive the packet than it is to guess the value correctly. +Note: + +: Retransmissions of the PING frame MUST also use the same remote address. + If validation of the new remote address fails, after allowing enough time for Really? That seems to contradict what you are saying later. > +received, but it could also mean ceasing retransmissions of the PING frame. An +endpoint that doesn't retransmit a PING frame might receive a PONG frame, which +it MUST ignore. + + +## Spurious Connection Migrations + +A connection migration could be triggered by an attacker that is able to capture +and forward a packet such that it arrives before the legitimate copy of that +packet. Such a packet will appear to be a legitimate connection migration and +the legitimate copy will be dropped as a duplicate. + +After a spurious migration, validation of the source address will fail because +the entity at the source address does not have the necessary cryptographic keys +to read or respond to the PING frame that is sent to it, even if it wanted to. +Such a spurious connection migration could result in the connection being The text is correct, except if the man on the side manages to play "man in the middle". It knows that the first packet to the new address will be a PING. It could forward it to the old address, capture the next packet from that old address, and forward it again to the target. Bingo, the PONG succeeds. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/746#pullrequestreview-57967334 ----==_mimepart_599cfc6d679c4_46d63fe4d1b51c38606e4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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I think we are still missing something. We need to somehow tie the packets to the new path, in a cryptographic way. One potential solution is to use a new connection ID for the new path. That way, third parties cannot forward a PING or PONG meant for one path to the other path. But this needs work. And yes, it is very close to multipath.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1453,6 +1453,10 @@ return.  A PING frame containing 12 randomly generated {{?RFC4086}} octets is
 sufficient to ensure that it is easier to receive the packet than it is to guess
 the value correctly.
 
+Note:
+
+: Retransmissions of the PING frame MUST also use the same remote address.
+
 If validation of the new remote address fails, after allowing enough time for

Really? That seems to contradict what you are saying later.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +received, but it could also mean ceasing retransmissions of the PING frame.  An
+endpoint that doesn't retransmit a PING frame might receive a PONG frame, which
+it MUST ignore.
+
+
+## Spurious Connection Migrations
+
+A connection migration could be triggered by an attacker that is able to capture
+and forward a packet such that it arrives before the legitimate copy of that
+packet.  Such a packet will appear to be a legitimate connection migration and
+the legitimate copy will be dropped as a duplicate.
+
+After a spurious migration, validation of the source address will fail because
+the entity at the source address does not have the necessary cryptographic keys
+to read or respond to the PING frame that is sent to it, even if it wanted to.
+Such a spurious connection migration could result in the connection being

The text is correct, except if the man on the side manages to play "man in the middle". It knows that the first packet to the new address will be a PING. It could forward it to the old address, capture the next packet from that old address, and forward it again to the target. Bingo, the PONG succeeds.

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At a minimum, this needs to +consider the possibility that packets are sent without congestion feedback. + +Once a connection is established, address validation is relatively simple (see +{{address-validation}} for the process that is used during the handshake). An +endpoint validates a remote address by sending a PING frame containing a payload +that is hard to guess. This frame MUST be sent in a packet that is sent to the +new address. Once a PONG frame containing the same payload is received, the +address is considered to be valid. The PONG frame can use any path on its +return. A PING frame containing 12 randomly generated {{?RFC4086}} octets is +sufficient to ensure that it is easier to receive the packet than it is to guess +the value correctly. + +If validation of the new remote address fails, after allowing enough time for +possible loss and recovery of packets carrying PING and PONG frames, the I replied to your PR, Martin. But I think the key is to break the possibility for third parties to forward PING and PONG. I don't think we can use crypto to verify the source address, but we might request that packets knowingly sent from a new IP be sent with a new connection ID. Of course, there are all kinds of dragons hiding behind the word knowingly. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/732#discussion_r134652939 ----==_mimepart_599cfed587b7f_7d3f3f923e57dc3489554 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Prior to validating the new remote address, and endpoint MUST limit the amount
+of data and packets that it sends to its peer.  At a minimum, this needs to
+consider the possibility that packets are sent without congestion feedback.
+
+Once a connection is established, address validation is relatively simple (see
+{{address-validation}} for the process that is used during the handshake).  An
+endpoint validates a remote address by sending a PING frame containing a payload
+that is hard to guess.  This frame MUST be sent in a packet that is sent to the
+new address.  Once a PONG frame containing the same payload is received, the
+address is considered to be valid.  The PONG frame can use any path on its
+return.  A PING frame containing 12 randomly generated {{?RFC4086}} octets is
+sufficient to ensure that it is easier to receive the packet than it is to guess
+the value correctly.
+
+If validation of the new remote address fails, after allowing enough time for
+possible loss and recovery of packets carrying PING and PONG frames, the

I replied to your PR, Martin. But I think the key is to break the possibility for third parties to forward PING and PONG. I don't think we can use crypto to verify the source address, but we might request that packets knowingly sent from a new IP be sent with a new connection ID. Of course, there are all kinds of dragons hiding behind the word knowingly.

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I've introduced the notion of a "draining period" after close. This is = like the TCP TIME_WAIT period, but what happens depends on how the connecti= on was closed. On Jana's advice, I've used 3*max(MIN_RTO, RTT), recognizin= g that this is probably just a starting point and we can refine the exact v= alue later.

During the draining period, the baseline here is that the endpoint gener= ates ACK frames, but nothing else. That's all we need for an application c= lose (the success case). For an idle timeout, the text permits reviving of= the connection if new packets are received. In immediate close, the text = requires that the CONNECTION_CLOSE be sent, and permits re-sending the last= packet to save on state space.

@janai= yengar, can you check to see that I've captured the intent well-enough = here?

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A PING frame containing 12 randomly generated {{?RFC4086}} octets is sufficient to ensure that it is easier to receive the packet than it is to guess the value correctly. +Note: + +: Retransmissions of the PING frame MUST also use the same remote address. + If validation of the new remote address fails, after allowing enough time for I assume that you refer to the text about checking the old address as well? I don't see the conflict. This is talking about retransmissions. The point is that the PING frame cannot be sent to multiple addresses or it only validates one of those addresses. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/746#discussion_r134654784 ----==_mimepart_599d0440817ef_19ec3fde195c5c3887237 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1453,6 +1453,10 @@ return.  A PING frame containing 12 randomly generated {{?RFC4086}} octets is
 sufficient to ensure that it is easier to receive the packet than it is to guess
 the value correctly.
 
+Note:
+
+: Retransmissions of the PING frame MUST also use the same remote address.
+
 If validation of the new remote address fails, after allowing enough time for

I assume that you refer to the text about checking the old address as well? I don't see the conflict. This is talking about retransmissions.

The point is that the PING frame cannot be sent to multiple addresses or it only validates one of those addresses.

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----==_mimepart_599d0440817ef_19ec3fde195c5c3887237-- From nobody Tue Aug 22 21:34:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F4931321E3 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 21:34:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zPMgD4ark0XJ for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 21:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5AA3E1321BF for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 21:34:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=bJns2PhY1bihMp0bXFGyg8RWyNI=; b=vgvrfk6nZ80tWRfu /YXJ4gwIRuVydux4UnmKK4raZ3fLBK6g76pTONpRqgNxEAuGCrsYZ9LuVshTvOxK FTIA38cpzdGUQ0wPxS33gmpcQFCXBGYC5VlJvr1cYQXrp5WoVj5HLpDmtvHDNbPT PdKRt1RI0FUoAIELJH+/M5RkYF4= Received: by filter0631p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0631p1mdw1-8143-599D05BE-33 2017-08-23 04:34:06.673117331 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0036p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id WSt_Wa-LTQiC5afQudG8zg for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 04:34:06.685 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 04:34:06 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Avoid attack on address validation during connection migration (#746) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_599d05be64cb7_104d53fb9bbd2bc34276326"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0rftVI0EbJw1aH9nvjXz5FaKAkMmL0otUAn9 jd0+Wpyxddgm0uvx0c9bA0sBB63T8OBNfTLvi8t/lmOZMUAmoXUzc2MIVF/bobOROc68Om/HPMQUoQ oETJJb9dvviQrrPHDLQML+eQkxvsZOtz7VDf7Koopb61dcZBQt+zuKAmSzvlIwTAaJ8ywY/Y7Np84W M= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 04:34:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_599d05be64cb7_104d53fb9bbd2bc34276326 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't quite know how to use connection IDs in the current protocol. Maybe if we had asymmetric connection IDs. I think that we might end up there, but it's challenging for a range of reasons. Let's say that it's a client that migrates, which seems to be the common case. The client needs to provision the server with enough NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames that the server won't run out if the client ever inadvertently moves. Maybe we can instead insist that the PONG be sent on the path on which the PING was received and that the PING contains a source address validation token with the same sort of protections we have on the one used in the handshake. That's not simpler, but it should work. It does precludes the use of asymmetric addressing, though I suspect that was something we didn't have anyway. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/746#issuecomment-324218385 ----==_mimepart_599d05be64cb7_104d53fb9bbd2bc34276326 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't quite know how to use connection IDs in the current protocol. M= aybe if we had asymmetric connection IDs. I think that we might end up the= re, but it's challenging for a range of reasons. Let's say that it's a cli= ent that migrates, which seems to be the common case. The client needs to = provision the server with enough NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames that the server w= on't run out if the client ever inadvertently moves.

Maybe we can instead insist that the PONG be sent on the path on which t= he PING was received and that the PING contains a source address validation= token with the same sort of protections we have on the one used in the han= dshake. That's not simpler, but it should work. It does precludes the use= of asymmetric addressing, though I suspect that was something we didn't ha= ve anyway.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1453,6 +1453,10 @@ return.  A PING frame containing 12 randomly generated {{?RFC4086}} octets is
 sufficient to ensure that it is easier to receive the packet than it is to guess
 the value correctly.
 
+Note:
+
+: Retransmissions of the PING frame MUST also use the same remote address.
+
 If validation of the new remote address fails, after allowing enough time for

No, it is just my poor Github skillz showing. I was commenting on the next paragraph, "If validation of the new remote address fails, after allowing enough time for...(etc.)" And then, "should terminate the connection." So you are leaving untouched the requirement that I find problematic.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1453,6 +1453,10 @@ return.  A PING frame containing 12 randomly generated {{?RFC4086}} octets is
 sufficient to ensure that it is easier to receive the packet than it is to guess
 the value correctly.
 
+Note:
+
+: Retransmissions of the PING frame MUST also use the same remote address.
+
 If validation of the new remote address fails, after allowing enough time for

Ahh, that isn't necessarily your fault...

I think that this is OK, given the qualification about abandoning validation attempts.

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You want the mechanism to protect the receiver against a malicious peer,= and Ping/Pong does that. But you also want a protection against man on the= side playing replay and race games, and that is much harder.

It may well be that the real answer is multipath. Accept that the peers = are managing several parallel paths. Manage separate sequence number space = and loss detection for each path -- but of course allow frames to be transm= itted or retransmitted on any of the paths, as the sender sees fit. Validat= e any path before using it -- that will take care of the malicious senders.= Do not close an old path implicitly if a new one is found -- that should e= liminate the man on the side games.

But of course there is a catch. Doing that requires having explicit path= information in ACK frames and maybe PING frames, plus managing sequence nu= mber, retransmit queue and sack dashboard for each path. Congestion control= , too. Plus maybe a new type of frame for explicitly closing a path.

Costly, but then piling hacks to make the simpler solution work may not = be worth it.

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= ----==_mimepart_599d0ba7e3254_7cb73faf7ab71c2c500f5-- From nobody Tue Aug 22 22:04:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600F8126E64 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 22:04:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.018 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.018 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UOSJlFHBHHJI for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 22:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C871D1252BA for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 22:04:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=DaFzDyG6TRdVzMwSySPa8jNwF+8=; b=mB2UORgS032fk+CC xdMCLwDvFGVFYipMOptYpanJmVniQeNTPGJ+9BUBYAH57gmez7G3dG+h09slMJU9 41nXX0e6ocadKWn/aoydJypzfO6DxA9qQF9lxrAwaX3qq01OOCRGnSPunxmgwyiu KGNbVaLu/TVvFzbaIO0pKD2pZvs= Received: by filter0442p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0442p1mdw1-24781-599D0CF4-E 2017-08-23 05:04:52.617403401 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0023p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id irFEmvADRCinKcXMysN7FA for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 05:04:52.551 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 05:04:52 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Avoid attack on address validation during connection migration (#746) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_599d0cf44fc5b_6e393fde56781c3812569d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1GsH3v6t+uAK/sxVy17QrvQSIR3nATsHVvGS B9ZxYhUP2l4P7adc2chcvaxIdInuVsE5HqSKqQ8V0X/8bgeefstb01REpShOtrHZEGlZ8VAAGzFvrS Zziv6otTnO4OLFNmSOmsXd9jUXW9H1M/DBl5b8m4EX3Igaheep7fUmwGbcN+TLwb11rP6JtYY52sMb 0= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 05:04:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_599d0cf44fc5b_6e393fde56781c3812569d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree re: multipath. You definitely need explicit path information for PING (and maybe PONG now), but I don't see why you need that for ACK or a separate sequence number space - you need to track where you sent something, but where it is acknowledged only matters for the purposes of RTT measurement on that path. Whoa, I just started down the multipath path again... How about this then: we make this change, but explicitly call out this hack (checking the old path first) as being necessary only because we don't do proper multipath. Is that reasonable, or is this overdesigned in that light? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/746#issuecomment-324221904 ----==_mimepart_599d0cf44fc5b_6e393fde56781c3812569d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I agree re: multipath. You definitely need explicit path information fo= r PING (and maybe PONG now), but I don't see why you need that for ACK or a= separate sequence number space - you need to track where you sent somethin= g, but where it is acknowledged only matters for the purposes of RTT measur= ement on that path.

Whoa, I just started down the multipath path again...

How about this then: we make this change, but explicitly call out this h= ack (checking the old path first) as being necessary only because we don't = do proper multipath. Is that reasonable, or is this overdesigned in that l= ight?

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= ----==_mimepart_599d0cf44fc5b_6e393fde56781c3812569d-- From nobody Tue Aug 22 22:13:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5010126E64 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 22:13:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.095 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.095 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h6TXc3FLFq2r for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 22:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4477D12426E for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2017 22:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2017 22:13:15 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1503465195; bh=q5x9YOi6/24plUluHPHmKwRp3qLHXSW8Y/oO6g/C5WE=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=CFNh6kqAGjgZazBgcDqzQnFHmsz+iUXh/4AGQRAwAwxCUF4LgmUhlzTKzrZOI8tUr Jei67V8kSi/oYwLxNlJToDwx6yBLW4iycWr0JM2lr2AehITEpW2z7GW82Ao3KtN8hE hEK2ZKKQAhhtMqofWPDxt2UXwDUq3QkLcy54VEDU= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Avoid attack on address validation during connection migration (#746) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_599d0eeb68c1e_49453faf7ab71c2c249630"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 05:13:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_599d0eeb68c1e_49453faf7ab71c2c249630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On the need for per-path ACK -- maybe we should take time to discuss that face to face in Seattle. I am starting from where TCPM ended, which is basically an independent connection on each path, and mechanism to merge the content. The good news is that QUIC already has the mechansim to merge the content. Yeah, let's call this a hack and be done. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/746#issuecomment-324223047 ----==_mimepart_599d0eeb68c1e_49453faf7ab71c2c249630 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On the need for per-path ACK -- maybe we should take time to discuss t= hat face to face in Seattle. I am starting from where TCPM ended, which i= s basically an independent connection on each path, and mechanism to mer= ge the content. The good news is that QUIC already has the mechansim to m= erge the content.

Yeah, let's call this a hack and be done.

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Fine with this hack and call it done for now. However, I still like to c= omment on multipath (also inline with the MPTCP thinking): QUIC already has= a pretty nice split between connection and stream state. If you want to ma= ke it look like two different connections on the wire, everything that is r= elated to the connection needs to be per path, however all stream state can= be shared (as hidden from the path). That means e.g. different packet numb= ers and ACK frames on each path, but the use of a common stream id set and = respectively retransmission that are done on a per stream frame and not a p= er packets basis can be go on a different path.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +connection state if they have neither sent nor received a packet for this time.
+
+The time at which an idle timeout takes effect won't be perfectly synchronized
+on peers.  A connection enters the draining period when the idle timeout
+expires.  During this time, an endpoint that receives new packets MAY choose to
+restore the connection.  Alternatively, an endpoint that receives packets MAY
+signal the timeout using an immediate close.
+
+
+### Immediate Close
+
+An endpoint sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame to terminate the connection
+immediately.  A CONNECTION_CLOSE causes all open streams to immediately become
+closed; open streams can be assumed to be implicitly reset.  After receiving a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, endpoints MUST NOT send additional packets on that
+connection.

What would be the harm in allowing the endpoint to ACK a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame/packet? It would allow for the side that initiated the close to safely, immediately end its draining period. The ACK wouldn't be required, but a useful signal if used.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1415,31 +1415,59 @@ TODO: see issue #161
 Connections should remain open until they become idle for a pre-negotiated
 period of time.  A QUIC connection, once established, can be terminated in one
 of four ways: negotiated shutdown, idle timeout, immediate close, and a

This list still refers to "negotiated shutdown" while the subsections refer to "application close." Might want to align them.

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A connection enters the draining period when the idle timeout +expires. During this time, an endpoint that receives new packets MAY choose to +restore the connection. Alternatively, an endpoint that receives packets MAY +signal the timeout using an immediate close. + + +### Immediate Close + +An endpoint sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame to terminate the connection +immediately. A CONNECTION_CLOSE causes all open streams to immediately become +closed; open streams can be assumed to be implicitly reset. After receiving a +CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, endpoints MUST NOT send additional packets on that +connection. This probably falls under the above clause: > In all cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but other reactions might be preferrable depending on how the connection was closed. However, that's in conflict with the MUST NOT in this paragraph. > + +After a connection is closed for any reason, an endpoint might receive packets +from its peer. These packets might have been sent prior to receiving any close +signal, or they might be retransmissions of packets for which acknowledgments +were lost. + +The draining period persists for three times the maximum of minimum RTO +(kMinRTOTimeout) or the round trip time (smoothed_rtt), see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}} +for descriptions of these values. During this period, new packets can be +attributed to the correct connection and acknowledged, but the connection is no +longer considered active and usable. + +Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is +in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed. In all +cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but +other reactions might be preferrable depending on how the connection was closed. "preferable", not "preferrable" -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +connection state if they have neither sent nor received a packet for this time.
+
+The time at which an idle timeout takes effect won't be perfectly synchronized
+on peers.  A connection enters the draining period when the idle timeout
+expires.  During this time, an endpoint that receives new packets MAY choose to
+restore the connection.  Alternatively, an endpoint that receives packets MAY
+signal the timeout using an immediate close.
+
+
+### Immediate Close
+
+An endpoint sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame to terminate the connection
+immediately.  A CONNECTION_CLOSE causes all open streams to immediately become
+closed; open streams can be assumed to be implicitly reset.  After receiving a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, endpoints MUST NOT send additional packets on that
+connection.

This probably falls under the above clause:

In all cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but other reactions might be preferrable depending on how the connection was closed.

However, that's in conflict with the MUST NOT in this paragraph.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+After a connection is closed for any reason, an endpoint might receive packets
+from its peer.  These packets might have been sent prior to receiving any close
+signal, or they might be retransmissions of packets for which acknowledgments
+were lost.
+
+The draining period persists for three times the maximum of minimum RTO
+(kMinRTOTimeout) or the round trip time (smoothed_rtt), see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}
+for descriptions of these values.  During this period, new packets can be
+attributed to the correct connection and acknowledged, but the connection is no
+longer considered active and usable.
+
+Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is
+in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  In all
+cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but
+other reactions might be preferrable depending on how the connection was closed.

"preferable", not "preferrable"

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +connection state if they have neither sent nor received a packet for this time.
+
+The time at which an idle timeout takes effect won't be perfectly synchronized
+on peers.  A connection enters the draining period when the idle timeout
+expires.  During this time, an endpoint that receives new packets MAY choose to
+restore the connection.  Alternatively, an endpoint that receives packets MAY
+signal the timeout using an immediate close.
+
+
+### Immediate Close
+
+An endpoint sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame to terminate the connection
+immediately.  A CONNECTION_CLOSE causes all open streams to immediately become
+closed; open streams can be assumed to be implicitly reset.  After receiving a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, endpoints MUST NOT send additional packets on that
+connection.

Yeah, that's an error. I think that the right answer here is to enter the draining period and to separate prohibit frames other than ACK, PADDING, and CONNECTION_CLOSE while in that state. I think that addresses the concerned @nibanks has raised about acknowledging a CONNECTION_CLOSE.

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Feedback on what was an editorial change in #721 turned it into a substantial change. Apparently we are not specifying what different peers do during shutdown in new and interesting ways.

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----==_mimepart_599e2171e1962_46ef3f8f31eb5c309367e-- From nobody Wed Aug 23 18:23:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B48132A9C for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 18:23:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ubopbfaljHns for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 18:23:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 290401321EF for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 18:23:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=QCCagd9I8jt4d5xjsEI6wQFoLiY=; b=lKX/It1hUp+LIiSx u4PSAAaK2H/bZ7JXZtA8tKWs677Iqc3qMcNPXzotaL1oEVKB6UwmOTj+Aos8J9P2 p14Ux1i2A02O7z7bEN+/jw5J2WhSR1MPrAYO+SiBNvenS/azlPmDboC9rfgoo34T 1sH2yMu+bSStLuvDFNoz42nOvuY= Received: by filter0041p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0041p1las1-10812-599E2A7B-3F 2017-08-24 01:23:08.019165241 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id qD0tg2myR2STzImfPMiWHQ for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 01:23:07.881 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 01:23:08 +0000 (UTC) From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Acknowledging *_CLOSE (#733) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_599e2a7bbdc3f_213d3f964703fc38767db"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3pUnK2VfRo7ldbBYIjSzHDdBjSqXTsQ3I1Y6 1Mhq+pBzE8NQXn+zw/j31h/4X+/z3WY0niTFJxRgXKfPeLXDU45dtKOTh67PQahH8sGnkv0OyXB762 E+PInULKm3pP+RDIZKmWvZsK7btWpVtiZvZbGmaMHC4A+vv09W7oAYnXshFqr0HTsoGouJ6MPKRZCa s= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 01:23:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_599e2a7bbdc3f_213d3f964703fc38767db Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @mikkelfj - this is not a two phase commit problem, it is the good old two generals problem. You can devise how many exchanges you want, there is always a risk that some ack of ack of ack will be lost and one of the parties will give up and the state will be indeterminate. So you need time to get to the decision. In your proposal, the reliability derives from the statement that messages are send "periodically" or "a few time". You get about the same reliability if (A) sends a connection close and repeats it periodically as long as it receives data from (B), or until some time has elapsed. Or, we may ask (B) to ACK the packets that carried the connection close, in which case (A) can stop repeating when it receives the ACK. The two phase commit algorithm is mostly useful when synchronizing a graph of updates. But that's not what we see here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/733#issuecomment-324506005 ----==_mimepart_599e2a7bbdc3f_213d3f964703fc38767db Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@mikkelfj= - this is not a two phase commit problem, it is the good old two gener= als problem. You can devise how many exchanges you want, there is always a = risk that some ack of ack of ack will be lost and one of the parties will g= ive up and the state will be indeterminate. So you need time to get to the = decision. In your proposal, the reliability derives from the statement that= messages are send "periodically" or "a few time". You get about the same r= eliability if (A) sends a connection close and repeats it periodically as l= ong as it receives data from (B), or until some time has elapsed. Or, we ma= y ask (B) to ACK the packets that carried the connection close, in which ca= se (A) can stop repeating when it receives the ACK.

The two phase commit algorithm is mostly useful when synchronizing a gra= ph of updates. But that's not what we see here.

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Or, what is the node that receives the Reset Stream supposed to do with the Final Offset?

The text says, "discard immediately". That rules out any idea of receiving the bytes up to the final offset before closing. So, what's the point, exactly?

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_599e53919de52_42043fa2a6275c3045398"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 04:18:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_599e53919de52_42043fa2a6275c3045398 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/reset-doesnt-trigger-reset Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 8e34d7d088bbfa9a47cfaad20c226d0183ee9cfb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8e34d7d088bbfa9a47cfaad20c226d0183ee9cfb Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-24 (Thu, 24 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- RST_STREAM doesn't demand another RST_STREAM in response The rest of the text seems OK, but this is a bit we missed in #171. ----==_mimepart_599e53919de52_42043fa2a6275c3045398-- From nobody Wed Aug 23 21:19:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C22C3132376 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 21:19:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e6e2RndIkuA4 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 21:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 005C4131D19 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2017 21:19:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=28DyvJV+9n8HsI9FJyLCyh1aRLU=; b=BNBOQMkHWlXx96vN VgX1CM70vpBKn08tbrm8cQLlzzYV5RnZ5ssbKfUOkLBgCxqORUSDs3zNms9umKbi zbbkk+u0CBCmNsMVD2KYN0zIJcRUMPUUjCmbVH+Wkd3+OvWbnba3H+MqZ6Vjg7aA Q2sY5C/fG2ZggZtqfTbhuaqvctg= Received: by filter0200p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0200p1las1-28818-599E53BD-B 2017-08-24 04:19:09.863561936 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id nINgm4koSO66pdBvY6o4qA for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 04:19:09.777 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 04:19:09 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] RST_STREAM doesn't demand a RST_STREAM in response. 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We missed this in #171.

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I like the new text. It does result in reliable close. Just one nit: if = the sender of the connection close receives an ACK for the packet carrying = the connection close frame, it is probably OK to exit the draining state so= oner.

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Is there a scenario where the draining period can be truncated by sending ACK in response to CONNECTION_CLOSE and where CONNECTION_CLOSE is retransmitted if ACK is not received?

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----==_mimepart_599ef3feb7fa4_52583f85a8adfc383057b-- From nobody Thu Aug 24 08:50:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3FCA126DD9 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 08:50:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qb0HrzS7ydFg for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 08:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20D10132644 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 08:50:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=zaANhdi4coOgh9ppSP5yt0HO2EA=; b=nAbgP1q8TCi7pH+M pbpVxqffOWdjFp0Qg9/ODHMtnWtk8wSpAoeGkybWaAjxnzvtN8IAIDoeBajVULWe lrpDhaxEsh4xtVzf1uZFPArSdtclkOE8qdCIEZttN9W3SGLkDhpT7MIQPWkHNWir 21lsDB5hGRkGVFSf+idV5gVhziE= Received: by filter1080p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1080p1mdw1-24037-599EF5B4-13 2017-08-24 15:50:12.119832716 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0038p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 2tfAFiNzRnOwpS6diq2ydg for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2017 15:50:12.073 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 15:50:12 +0000 (UTC) From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Acknowledging *_CLOSE (#733) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_599ef5b3b282d_4703f8378517c38977cb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1aIv1sOKHq4Lp18j6oqeyNoqPeK5CbOgrvRg +nxcFBBXmw9SECbbE6djkXNxuwFfY8fdPzTerKn9+987cJ15nWpPZOD+y1hqrdV1dIwS9N4LXL+TeZ rne2Pgb0YeCcgk/aNiwzZz9UHViQGHeCxrLrUWCnFXkVA5cW7TkSL3N/GbJiwksbJjIEJN6+nJ2SlZ A= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 15:50:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_599ef5b3b282d_4703f8378517c38977cb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well - proper two-phase commit requires persistence and may take forever to complete - so what I describe is not proper two-phase commit, but related. Regardless, I think it would be good with a description of what a clean shutdown is, and if the draining period and can be made short in normal conditions. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/733#issuecomment-324676702 ----==_mimepart_599ef5b3b282d_4703f8378517c38977cb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well - proper two-phase commit requires persistence and may take forever= to complete - so what I describe is not proper two-phase commit, but relat= ed. Regardless, I think it would be good with a description of what a clean= shutdown is, and if the draining period and can be made short in normal co= nditions.

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If an endpoint receives an ACK for a CONNECTION_CLOSE, it still needs = to handle more packets (it remains in its draining period) because of the= chance that packets sent before the ACK are still in transit. Thus, the= shortcut isn't really that useful here. Obviously the endpoint that ack= nowledges the CONNECTION_CLOSE won't send any more packets, but if its ow= n packets are still in flight, then it might get a few more CONNECTION_CL= OSE frames (as a result of packets sent before it acknowledged the CONNEC= TION_CLOSE).

The only real trimming we might do is to have the endpoint that sends = the CONNECTION_CLOSE stop sending more CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in respons= e to receiving more packets.

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Very much nitpicks, and if you merged without them I wouldn't scream. > -After receiving either a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame or a Public Reset, an -endpoint MUST NOT send additional packets on that connection. After -sending either a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame or a Public Reset packet, -implementations MUST NOT send any non-closing packets on that -connection. If additional packets are received after this time and -before idle_timeout seconds has passed, implementations SHOULD respond -to them by sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE (which MAY just be a duplicate -of the previous CONNECTION_CLOSE packet) but MAY also send a Public -Reset packet. Implementations SHOULD throttle these responses, for -instance by exponentially backing off the number of packets which are -received before sending a response. After this time, implementations -SHOULD respond to unexpected packets with a Public Reset packet. - - -## Stateless Reset {#stateless-reset} +of four ways: negotiated shutdown, idle timeout, immediate close, and a I think this comment got lost somewhere amongst the commits, so I'll re-add it: You have "negotiated shutdown" on this line, but "application close" on 1449. I think consistency would help. > +from its peer. These packets might have been sent prior to receiving any close +signal, or they might be retransmissions of packets for which acknowledgments +were lost. + +The draining period persists for three times the maximum of minimum RTO +(kMinRTOTimeout) or the round trip time (smoothed_rtt), see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}} +for descriptions of these values. During this period, new packets can be +attributed to the correct connection and acknowledged, but the connection is no +longer considered active and usable. + +Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is +in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed. In all +cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but +other reactions might be preferable depending on how the connection was closed. +An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets other than ACK, +PADDING, or CONNECTION_CLOSE. Nit: These aren't packets, they're frames. > +The draining period persists for three times the maximum of minimum RTO +(kMinRTOTimeout) or the round trip time (smoothed_rtt), see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}} +for descriptions of these values. During this period, new packets can be +attributed to the correct connection and acknowledged, but the connection is no +longer considered active and usable. + +Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is +in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed. In all +cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but +other reactions might be preferable depending on how the connection was closed. +An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets other than ACK, +PADDING, or CONNECTION_CLOSE. + +Once the draining period has ended, an endpoint SHOULD discard per-connection +state. This results in new packets on the connection being discarded. An +endpoint MAY use a stateless reset in response to any further incoming packets. use => send > +{{transport-parameter-definitions}}) becomes closed. Either peer removes +connection state if they have neither sent nor received a packet for this time. + +The time at which an idle timeout takes effect won't be perfectly synchronized +on peers. A connection enters the draining period when the idle timeout +expires. During this time, an endpoint that receives new packets MAY choose to +restore the connection. Alternatively, an endpoint that receives packets MAY +signal the timeout using an immediate close. + + +### Immediate Close + +An endpoint sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame to terminate the connection +immediately. A CONNECTION_CLOSE causes all open streams to immediately become +closed; open streams can be assumed to be implicitly reset. After receiving a +CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, endpoints immediately enter a draining period. Endpoints presumably enter a draining period after sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE as well, no? > +expires. During this time, an endpoint that receives new packets MAY choose to +restore the connection. Alternatively, an endpoint that receives packets MAY +signal the timeout using an immediate close. + + +### Immediate Close + +An endpoint sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame to terminate the connection +immediately. A CONNECTION_CLOSE causes all open streams to immediately become +closed; open streams can be assumed to be implicitly reset. After receiving a +CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, endpoints immediately enter a draining period. + +An endpoint that sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame SHOULD respond to any packet +that it receives in the draining period with another packet containing a +CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. To reduce the state that an endpoint maintains in this +case, they MAY send the exact same packet. However, endpoints SHOULD limit the they => it, since it's a single endpoint -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@MikeBishop approved this pull request.

Very much nitpicks, and if you merged without them I wouldn't scream.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -After receiving either a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame or a Public Reset, an
-endpoint MUST NOT send additional packets on that connection. After
-sending either a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame or a Public Reset packet,
-implementations MUST NOT send any non-closing packets on that
-connection. If additional packets are received after this time and
-before idle_timeout seconds has passed, implementations SHOULD respond
-to them by sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE (which MAY just be a duplicate
-of the previous CONNECTION_CLOSE packet) but MAY also send a Public
-Reset packet.  Implementations SHOULD throttle these responses, for
-instance by exponentially backing off the number of packets which are
-received before sending a response.  After this time, implementations
-SHOULD respond to unexpected packets with a Public Reset packet.
-
-
-## Stateless Reset {#stateless-reset}
+of four ways: negotiated shutdown, idle timeout, immediate close, and a

I think this comment got lost somewhere amongst the commits, so I'll re-add it: You have "negotiated shutdown" on this line, but "application close" on 1449. I think consistency would help.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +from its peer.  These packets might have been sent prior to receiving any close
+signal, or they might be retransmissions of packets for which acknowledgments
+were lost.
+
+The draining period persists for three times the maximum of minimum RTO
+(kMinRTOTimeout) or the round trip time (smoothed_rtt), see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}
+for descriptions of these values.  During this period, new packets can be
+attributed to the correct connection and acknowledged, but the connection is no
+longer considered active and usable.
+
+Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is
+in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  In all
+cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but
+other reactions might be preferable depending on how the connection was closed.
+An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets other than ACK,
+PADDING, or CONNECTION_CLOSE.

Nit: These aren't packets, they're frames.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +The draining period persists for three times the maximum of minimum RTO
+(kMinRTOTimeout) or the round trip time (smoothed_rtt), see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}
+for descriptions of these values.  During this period, new packets can be
+attributed to the correct connection and acknowledged, but the connection is no
+longer considered active and usable.
+
+Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is
+in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  In all
+cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but
+other reactions might be preferable depending on how the connection was closed.
+An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets other than ACK,
+PADDING, or CONNECTION_CLOSE.
+
+Once the draining period has ended, an endpoint SHOULD discard per-connection
+state.  This results in new packets on the connection being discarded.  An
+endpoint MAY use a stateless reset in response to any further incoming packets.

use => send

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +{{transport-parameter-definitions}}) becomes closed.  Either peer removes
+connection state if they have neither sent nor received a packet for this time.
+
+The time at which an idle timeout takes effect won't be perfectly synchronized
+on peers.  A connection enters the draining period when the idle timeout
+expires.  During this time, an endpoint that receives new packets MAY choose to
+restore the connection.  Alternatively, an endpoint that receives packets MAY
+signal the timeout using an immediate close.
+
+
+### Immediate Close
+
+An endpoint sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame to terminate the connection
+immediately.  A CONNECTION_CLOSE causes all open streams to immediately become
+closed; open streams can be assumed to be implicitly reset.  After receiving a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, endpoints immediately enter a draining period.

Endpoints presumably enter a draining period after sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE as well, no?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +expires.  During this time, an endpoint that receives new packets MAY choose to
+restore the connection.  Alternatively, an endpoint that receives packets MAY
+signal the timeout using an immediate close.
+
+
+### Immediate Close
+
+An endpoint sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame to terminate the connection
+immediately.  A CONNECTION_CLOSE causes all open streams to immediately become
+closed; open streams can be assumed to be implicitly reset.  After receiving a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, endpoints immediately enter a draining period.
+
+An endpoint that sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame SHOULD respond to any packet
+that it receives in the draining period with another packet containing a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.  To reduce the state that an endpoint maintains in this
+case, they MAY send the exact same packet.  However, endpoints SHOULD limit the

they => it, since it's a single endpoint

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----==_mimepart_59a0552b53598_60393fd6873d9c381643a8-- From nobody Sat Aug 26 20:55:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EFF91320BB for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 20:55:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.018 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.018 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cXHBqYf0mg8k for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 20:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 348F9126B6E for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2017 20:55:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=jLo5lGdjUQHzun5mC0XbTw67dow=; b=qxzHBeocotok7Tlw zFCeb7DxXK/pi7c1dPox4Tea8DuGn0R1mrroLlAxHkqkeXZuJ661c1Sp1m+JuQ99 pxAoVk13xgDm2m1Sn8H9ygjnV93j567ZYiYHCYIET70Yt/gAPq+mKdRHAGlqX00Y qhN6OgcWqAUAtpYRaqEpAfasHo8= Received: by filter0492p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0492p1las1-25150-59A2429A-16 2017-08-27 03:55:06.971326007 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 4GF8b5JgQymo4KI8Cb06Fw for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2017 03:55:06.819 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 03:55:07 +0000 (UTC) From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Do we really need a "final offset" in the Reset Stream frame? (#749) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59a2429ab459a_1b763fd0dee67c3098716"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2KAoJR+OZ1rtJzOz5jxtFLePT3dqZnv5LTCP J6PHjHAJDZ+S8Gc7rD/QkDKUk4TVSQclQRtpw7nRhaC7Bgm+54ohqB1Lp+fyAV2anf/oVdNQvKffWN 4UcN1CfBqWfDvV6fxb1LmacgibrMa5diw82V8paOZ1LwHN1fjgZ6yLXpjoLYUEWAYq53avv0k06WIl g= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 03:55:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59a2429ab459a_1b763fd0dee67c3098716 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson Could the requirement be abolished if we define the connection-level flow control window as the number of octets sent using STREAM frames (excluding stream_id=0), instead of defining it as the number of octets sent over the streams (excluding stream_id=0)? I would argue that the bonus here is much more than removing the `final_offset` field. I think that we can get rid of the responding `RST_STREAM` frame as a whole if we change the way we calculate the connection-level flow control window. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/749#issuecomment-325175583 ----==_mimepart_59a2429ab459a_1b763fd0dee67c3098716 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@mar= tinthomson Could the requirement be abolished if we define the connecti= on-level flow control window as the number of octets sent using STREAM fram= es (excluding stream_id=3D0), instead of defining it as the number of octet= s sent over the streams (excluding stream_id=3D0)?

I would argue that the bonus here is much more than removing the f= inal_offset field. I think that we can get rid of the responding RST_STREAM frame as a whole if we change the way we calculate the= connection-level flow control window.

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@kazuho= , you don't want to count retransmissions, because then you have different = numbers on each side. So I assume that you mean total bytes originally sen= t, which is basically what it is right now.

We discussed removing the limitation entirely and have any used up flow = control on a stream credited back when you reset it. The problem with that= is that I can send you a very large stream over time, but if it is reset, = that gives a huge and immediate increase to the connection flow control win= dow. I think that this design is fine.

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----==_mimepart_59a3985029477_51113fce72313c30652fe-- From nobody Mon Aug 28 14:59:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C92124207 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 14:59:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m6cuxuPSQ_1g for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 14:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14165132C57 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 14:59:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=QdEOVClzxglf/Fm0JFBxGFw6uJw=; b=Y4KlxHA5NlXBfJje LS1eVSwgdfqE0NyajknCe2jbKaGivCqDZvOG6pyf2iPiPRIMQ0HcDoJf6tfJuq6T /bJ6cs24Kk8eiPopZD3Sa1GMy6L7k6tf14stI/XUcgHZAiwe8dj/7qHfiKMhS+Dp FyyXUH3kobKAnenk2aQ0WoGsT/0= Received: by filter1105p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1105p1mdw1-30228-59A49244-2 2017-08-28 21:59:32.002495171 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0039p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id DuBuxHkRSbSkemS0DpcbYw for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 21:59:31.901 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 21:59:32 +0000 (UTC) From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling un-ackable packets (#751) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59a492439a7e5_34bb3fedf162bc30562f5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3kqN8Yh1SUq1xTGkcwZ84b6Ek/zm445NBs0P GgTUmojye0z5v3Yk+TVMs/inBwVK2n6E6r1wVcuXPmF84z6zFNxDvrU5cUDygYacqdRxvKw0fxbdUb ZARVG0eHC+q5/w31FUcm28HGUbonnDOGWxcFrIZnouTC6q93ytOQT8WLqg== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2017 21:59:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59a492439a7e5_34bb3fedf162bc30562f5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Consider the case f the client is attempting 0-RTT and sends the sequence: CI (1), Data(2), Data(3) // packet numbers in parens Now, what happens if CI(1) is lost? The server cannot ACK packets 2, 3 because (a) it's forbidden and (b) it can't validate their integrity. So, it seems like what happens is just that eventually the client times out and retransmits CI, which means that the performance here is limited by the client's RTO, as opposed to if (say) the server's first flight was lost, when the QUIC ACKs can force faster retransmission. What I've been considering for DTLS is to have the receiver send an empty ACK (i.e,, one that acknowledges no packets), but that's not possible because of the QUIC ACK structure which requires you to ACK at least one packet. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/751 ----==_mimepart_59a492439a7e5_34bb3fedf162bc30562f5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Consider the case f the client is attempting 0-RTT and sends the sequence:

CI (1), Data(2), Data(3) // packet numbers in parens

Now, what happens if CI(1) is lost? The server cannot ACK packets 2, 3 because (a) it's forbidden and (b) it can't validate their integrity. So, it seems like what happens is just that eventually the client times out and retransmits CI, which means that the performance here is limited by the client's RTO, as opposed to if (say) the server's first flight was lost, when the QUIC ACKs can force faster retransmission.

What I've been considering for DTLS is to have the receiver send an empty ACK (i.e,, one that acknowledges no packets), but that's not possible because of the QUIC ACK structure which requires you to ACK at least one packet.

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----==_mimepart_59a492439a7e5_34bb3fedf162bc30562f5-- From nobody Mon Aug 28 17:31:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB2DD132356 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 17:31:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.615 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.615 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yf7bR0x8hsvb for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 17:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1556C1321E6 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2017 17:31:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=gxsls0GGo/VeBRHMvNmUW99CoRw=; b=ck3noZKmTuCb+yXD Lt1KPgy+k5lp4w9BRC/JVWdoPUPqu7LSjc1uxhbyDB57lOP2KmoPBqzhUkbuf5DT a6Ht0YyB7p64Y/Iw25epApewLw4lwji3SS0SBCSNLOB5URoJpYkTUT9jw5zqb5kY Ozdqczpb+XbzmJoL71IxwItmjlE= Received: by filter0240p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0240p1las1-1572-59A4B5DC-54 2017-08-29 00:31:24.803922671 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id DwMrPMzRRyye3NJ6JoUY3w for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2017 00:31:24.683 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2017 00:31:24 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling un-ackable packets (#751) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59a4b5dc828a4_fa73fe3161bbc30170968"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1Xb6DWj70DgCeAntnsLKTzMOX/QS/9/EUGhl LZeBgsJkckvwz4XbdTaxYsXejKt7J1UNSIafvR5SFuosM6tAhjcN5SzFtf5dq7CnudAKVMJTXicd6Q kufrJOBeIa7kHMfDkImhGg/Xrb8bb+cyXDb5RtQNMjMHQe8BMnXQEYmmXKmkA9/9kncBdFe3HOsp7L c= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2017 00:31:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59a4b5dc828a4_fa73fe3161bbc30170968 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, this isn't a great outcome. The server can trigger fast retransmission of the CI by sending a stateless retry, but that means discarding 0-RTT data. There is a more aggressive timer on the retransmission of CI, which helps a little. There is also text that suggests that holding 0-RTT is potentially useful (though risky). Do you think that we need a fast retransmission trigger? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/751#issuecomment-325520043 ----==_mimepart_59a4b5dc828a4_fa73fe3161bbc30170968 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, this isn't a great outcome. The server can trigger fast retransmis= sion of the CI by sending a stateless retry, but that means discarding 0-RT= T data.

There is a more aggressive timer on the retransmission of CI, which help= s a little. There is also text that suggests that holding 0-RTT is potenti= ally useful (though risky). Do you think that we need a fast retransmissio= n trigger?

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Well, it's relatively fine to hold this 0-RTT data b/c you can't decrypt= it anyway (modulo potential DoS issues).

The solution I would propose here is that when we update the ACK frame, = we allow an empty ACK, and then that can be used for fast retransmission

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Ugh, some old replies that got held up. Damn this slow 'net. > @@ -841,6 +841,22 @@ A server MUST treat a MAX_PUSH_ID frame payload that is other than 4 octets in length as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_MAX_PUSH_ID. +# Connection Management + +QUIC connections are persistent. All of the considerations in Section 9.1 of +{{?RFC7540}} apply to the management of QUIC connections. + +HTTP clients are expected to use QUIC PING frames to keep connections open. +Servers SHOULD NOT use PING frames to keep a connection open. A client SHOULD +NOT use PING frames for this purpose unless there are no responses outstanding Yes, operator error on my part. > @@ -841,6 +841,22 @@ A server MUST treat a MAX_PUSH_ID frame payload that is other than 4 octets in length as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_MAX_PUSH_ID. +# Connection Management + +QUIC connections are persistent. All of the considerations in Section 9.1 of +{{?RFC7540}} apply to the management of QUIC connections. + +HTTP clients are expected to use QUIC PING frames to keep connections open. +Servers SHOULD NOT use PING frames to keep a connection open. A client SHOULD +NOT use PING frames for this purpose unless there are no responses outstanding +for requests or server pushes. If the client is not expecting a response from +the server, allowing an idle connection to time out (based on the idle_timeout +transport parameter) is preferred over expending effort maintaining a connection +that might not be needed. A gateway MAY use PING to maintain connections in +anticipation of need rather than incur the latency cost of connection +establishment to servers. 0-RTT has the risk of replay. You can't just use 0-RTT. Having warm connections available at a gateway seems like a reasonable strategy to avoid problems with setup. 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Ugh, some old replies that got held up. Damn this slow 'net.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -841,6 +841,22 @@ A server MUST treat a MAX_PUSH_ID frame payload that is other than 4 octets in
 length as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_MAX_PUSH_ID.
 
 
+# Connection Management
+
+QUIC connections are persistent.  All of the considerations in Section 9.1 of
+{{?RFC7540}} apply to the management of QUIC connections.
+
+HTTP clients are expected to use QUIC PING frames to keep connections open.
+Servers SHOULD NOT use PING frames to keep a connection open.  A client SHOULD
+NOT use PING frames for this purpose unless there are no responses outstanding

Yes, operator error on my part.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -841,6 +841,22 @@ A server MUST treat a MAX_PUSH_ID frame payload that is other than 4 octets in
 length as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_MAX_PUSH_ID.
 
 
+# Connection Management
+
+QUIC connections are persistent.  All of the considerations in Section 9.1 of
+{{?RFC7540}} apply to the management of QUIC connections.
+
+HTTP clients are expected to use QUIC PING frames to keep connections open.
+Servers SHOULD NOT use PING frames to keep a connection open.  A client SHOULD
+NOT use PING frames for this purpose unless there are no responses outstanding
+for requests or server pushes.  If the client is not expecting a response from
+the server, allowing an idle connection to time out (based on the idle_timeout
+transport parameter) is preferred over expending effort maintaining a connection
+that might not be needed.  A gateway MAY use PING to maintain connections in
+anticipation of need rather than incur the latency cost of connection
+establishment to servers.

0-RTT has the risk of replay. You can't just use 0-RTT. Having warm connections available at a gateway seems like a reasonable strategy to avoid problems with setup. Also, you might want to avoid slow start in the case that you need to shove multiple requests down that pipe when many new clients arrive with 0-RTT requests.

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TCP uses 3 seconds here. I don't think we need to be quite as large, but I'd use at least 1 sec.

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----==_mimepart_59a66344baf66_59d03ff5234bfc3c4197e-- From nobody Wed Aug 30 03:26:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FAA61329DA for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 03:26:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FjImaohN1Akq for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 03:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E44B7132930 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 03:26:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=O38NObUDd2xem3Y9mGcrdV/t/Og=; b=YbP+sBnMCuSxiaM7 QRPf4x8GvQtkjczVfWvKzPYNL3YUCTgl62MBMmv+y3GeBzVRT09Y5WpcrsQebRwH BGRpuypulKS5p4B4sV2mJCrG5B5f3PXLw4J/ewGRwsUlyLX3KaQrfQeaVYNNgMdq 94HckAnPl+eZfPk1Hvbl5l7/KYM= Received: by filter0096p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0096p1las1-13943-59A692CF-15 2017-08-30 10:26:23.431380487 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id vd1R6i15S1yZUjvGBK9NaA for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 10:26:23.276 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 10:26:23 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] kDefaultInitialRtt too large (#752) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59a692cf27c7c_6a7d3ff321bf7c3820443"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0t6lj6lpOigvwdE5QT0ijIXRKBmZ4YyGMpB/ 9DBEZ1o7fbvWGYu334Ys2GE9fC+rPOBpA1W+AUS0uXsNBb0Ej5iMlUEYzA5yfzoL2QYIEE4dKgO9b2 VM2DG0XVr6BuYPiXJ6HT61f3t/TPVyI+5ZdtdGGXrKblMSCuDpjbET5WBDQUvmgNjcIBe2oHZXkwid s= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 10:26:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59a692cf27c7c_6a7d3ff321bf7c3820443 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can you provide rationale for the number? That is probably more than most terrestrial connection will ever see for an RTT (yeah, I've heard the horror stories of RTTs higher than that, but those are outliers). That suggests that you want something higher because of reasons. What TCP does it isn't especially informative, frankly. That TCP has good reasons for the number it chose would be a fine reason to pick a similar number; are those reasons written down anywhere? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/752#issuecomment-325950021 ----==_mimepart_59a692cf27c7c_6a7d3ff321bf7c3820443 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Can you provide rationale for the number? That is probably more than mo= st terrestrial connection will ever see for an RTT (yeah, I've heard the ho= rror stories of RTTs higher than that, but those are outliers). That sugge= sts that you want something higher because of reasons. What TCP does it is= n't especially informative, frankly. That TCP has good reasons for the num= ber it chose would be a fine reason to pick a similar number; are those rea= sons written down anywhere?

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= ----==_mimepart_59a692cf27c7c_6a7d3ff321bf7c3820443-- From nobody Wed Aug 30 04:31:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0828E132FC5 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 04:31:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FjNjV3qM8N5p for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 04:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8FEB9132FC4 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 04:31:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=phWaSmdrR/BbrfBLLv/PN7vOFws=; b=Mcc06nyHvC3uctPb 9Q5IIn2byJ/YbMmRwztGmX//41bLiDdxYp+DNy0WIcsbPA8HJaVZdwW+/RfDBIF8 ANgKgmKEjgNI9txoilwq213NEiZxKqKJm/3Qsj/V65pNixbFA8wy1R0K7+PfAQtm d4L5+szbD9dA3dOYi8JtYiwnuE4= Received: by filter0119p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0119p1las1-4899-59A6A20F-3 2017-08-30 11:31:27.094040779 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 4NWdaD3pSy2PQ97aMlIs_g for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 11:31:27.027 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 11:31:27 +0000 (UTC) From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] kDefaultInitialRtt too large (#752) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59a6a20edec9c_2f8a3f962a7f5c381130f4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0ac8rTL+1zSqSVSPQaHx4KxnUP/xTdzwB8MK 9NI+rBr23livtqDrcpuib4MlejEt110WQXqe24vDgqqtbWSRVRc7HJmunA3hkG5mQdj/qcWFuoK7gH 5egKM742Yn6R0PJpRzsOxgM5wI6rq+o0gUrEJLa2lK1ICd1Yoh24eH1rwmqhLA7MXiP+z6dfWfq7hr g= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 11:31:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59a6a20edec9c_2f8a3f962a7f5c381130f4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you're too short, many (?) clients will do an unnecessary RTX of the CH. If you're too long, however, only those (few?) hosts whose CH is lost will wait a bit longer to RTX. So the tradeoff is between many (?) unnecessary retransmits vs. a longer wait time for those few (?) whose CH is lost. A shorter initial value potentially wastes some bandwidth, a longer potentially leads to longer page-load-times for a few. Pick your poison. I think the IETF in the past has valued bandwidth over PLT. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/752#issuecomment-325963252 ----==_mimepart_59a6a20edec9c_2f8a3f962a7f5c381130f4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If you're too short, many (?) clients will do an unnecessary RTX of the = CH. If you're too long, however, only those (few?) hosts whose CH is lost w= ill wait a bit longer to RTX. So the tradeoff is between many (?) unnecessa= ry retransmits vs. a longer wait time for those few (?) whose CH is lost. = A shorter initial value potentially wastes some bandwidth, a longer potenti= ally leads to longer page-load-times for a few. Pick your poison. I think t= he IETF in the past has valued bandwidth over PLT.

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For QUIC - I think that's backwards. QUIC has already made the latency over bw trade with the CI by using a 1200 byte CI instead of a 3 way handshake. I'd like to think that the CI is a small fraction of total quic bandwidth and this is worthwhile. We've seen applications (especially http applications) push back against the historical TCP situation in a number of places even in a TCP context.. showing that the tradeoff wants to favor latency. * for years chrome and firefox have both started a new TCP connection when a previous connection attempt has not yet connected after ~300ms. This is to workaround the 3 second OS level timer - which is considered too high of a delay especially when you're otherwise staring at a idle spinner. And yes, that commonly results in 2 completed connections without any TCP level retransmissions - but in the grand scheme of things a couple of packets is a nop but the benefit is significant. * chrome, firefox, and edge commonly initiate tcp connections before they have any http data to send on them (perhaps this is done totally speculatively, perhaps it is done by opening N when you only need 1 at the moment.. in anticipation). Mostly this is done for latency purposes - get the tcp and tls handshakes out of the way so they are ready for http data when it happens (some of it can go away when we think 0rtt quic would work instead). Many of these connections close without ever transferring meaningful data - but that's a latency over bandwidth tradeoff (and the bandwidth consumed is small enough in comparison that it doesn't meaningfully impact the real data transfer that goes on). * TCP PLT, default on in linux distributions, is another illustration of http applications willing to trade off some wasted retransmissions against the tyranny of large timers. Also worth nothing that enabling fec extensions is within the wg charter (although doing them is not) - and fec is the ultimate in latency over bandwidth tradeoff but much harder to get right than the redundant control traffic we're talking about here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I think the IETF in the past has valued bandwidth over PLT.

For QUIC - I think that's backwards.

QUIC has already made the latency over bw trade with the CI by using a 1= 200 byte CI instead of a 3 way handshake. I'd like to think that the CI is = a small fraction of total quic bandwidth and this is worthwhile.

We've seen applications (especially http applications) push back against= the historical TCP situation in a number of places even in a TCP context..= showing that the tradeoff wants to favor latency.

  • for years chrome and firefox have both started a new TCP connection when= a previous connection attempt has not yet connected after ~300ms. This is = to workaround the 3 second OS level timer - which is considered too high of= a delay especially when you're otherwise staring at a idle spinner. And ye= s, that commonly results in 2 completed connections without any TCP level r= etransmissions - but in the grand scheme of things a couple of packets is a= nop but the benefit is significant.

  • chrome, firefox, and edge commonly initiate tcp connections before they = have any http data to send on them (perhaps this is done totally speculativ= ely, perhaps it is done by opening N when you only need 1 at the moment.. i= n anticipation). Mostly this is done for latency purposes - get the tcp and= tls handshakes out of the way so they are ready for http data when it happ= ens (some of it can go away when we think 0rtt quic would work instead). M= any of these connections close without ever transferring meaningful data - = but that's a latency over bandwidth tradeoff (and the bandwidth consumed is= small enough in comparison that it doesn't meaningfully impact the real da= ta transfer that goes on).

  • TCP PLT, default on in linux distributions, is another illustration of h= ttp applications willing to trade off some wasted retransmissions against t= he tyranny of large timers.

Also worth nothing that enabling fec extensions is within the wg charter= (although doing them is not) - and fec is the ultimate in latency over ban= dwidth tradeoff but much harder to get right than the redundant control tra= ffic we're talking about here.

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Hello

It seems we use RFC6298. But RFC used the absolutely value with rttvar.

   (2.3) When a subsequent RTT measurement R' is made, a host MUST set

            RTTVAR <- (1 - beta) * RTTVAR + beta * |SRTT - R'|
            SRTT <- (1 - alpha) * SRTT + alpha * R'


OnAckReceived(ack):
     largest_acked_packet = ack.largest_acked
     // If the largest acked is newly acked, update the RTT.
     if (sent_packets[ack.largest_acked]):
       latest_rtt = now - sent_packets[ack.largest_acked].time
       if (latest_rtt > ack.ack_delay):
         latest_rtt -= ack.delay
       UpdateRtt(latest_rtt)
     // Find all newly acked packets.
     for acked_packet in DetermineNewlyAckedPackets():
       OnPacketAcked(acked_packet.packet_number)

     DetectLostPackets(ack.largest_acked_packet)
     SetLossDetectionAlarm()


   UpdateRtt(latest_rtt):
     // Based on {{?RFC6298}}.
     if (smoothed_rtt == 0):
       smoothed_rtt = latest_rtt
       rttvar = latest_rtt / 2
     else:
       rttvar = 3/4 * rttvar + 1/4 * (smoothed_rtt - latest_rtt)
       smoothed_rtt = 7/8 * smoothed_rtt + 1/8 * latest_rtt

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As Patrick says, I think the goal of QUIC is to make the web faster and would prefer to err on the side of faster. Cheers, Ryan On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 6:24 AM, Patrick McManus wrote: > I think the IETF in the past has valued bandwidth over PLT. > > For QUIC - I think that's backwards. > > QUIC has already made the latency over bw trade with the CI by using a > 1200 byte CI instead of a 3 way handshake. I'd like to think that the CI = is > a small fraction of total quic bandwidth and this is worthwhile. > > We've seen applications (especially http applications) push back against > the historical TCP situation in a number of places even in a TCP context.. > showing that the tradeoff wants to favor latency. > > - > > for years chrome and firefox have both started a new TCP connection > when a previous connection attempt has not yet connected after ~300ms.= This > is to workaround the 3 second OS level timer - which is considered too= high > of a delay especially when you're otherwise staring at a idle spinner.= And > yes, that commonly results in 2 completed connections without any TCP = level > retransmissions - but in the grand scheme of things a couple of packet= s is > a nop but the benefit is significant. > - > > chrome, firefox, and edge commonly initiate tcp connections before > they have any http data to send on them (perhaps this is done totally > speculatively, perhaps it is done by opening N when you only need 1 at= the > moment.. in anticipation). Mostly this is done for latency purposes - = get > the tcp and tls handshakes out of the way so they are ready for http d= ata > when it happens (some of it can go away when we think 0rtt quic would = work > instead). Many of these connections close without ever transferring > meaningful data - but that's a latency over bandwidth tradeoff (and the > bandwidth consumed is small enough in comparison that it doesn't > meaningfully impact the real data transfer that goes on). > - > > TCP PLT, default on in linux distributions, is another illustration of > http applications willing to trade off some wasted retransmissions aga= inst > the tyranny of large timers. > > Also worth nothing that enabling fec extensions is within the wg charter > (although doing them is not) - and fec is the ultimate in latency over > bandwidth tradeoff but much harder to get right than the redundant control > traffic we're talking about here. > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/752#issuecomment-325998995= ----==_mimepart_59a6c4aaaa408_76963f81285cfc2c87af Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We have RTT data from Chrome which shows that the initial RTT distribution:=

PercentileValue
25.00% 22.58
50.00% 46.28
75.00% 88.08
95.00% 240.0
99.00% 733.9
99.50% 1187


>From this table, 100ms looks like a fine choice. 1s, on the other hand, is<= br> more than 10x the value at the median and is larger than the RTT for 99% of=
users. As Patrick says, I think the goal of QUIC is to make the web faster<= br> and would prefer to err on the side of faster.

Cheers,

Ryan

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 6:24 AM, Patrick McManus <notifications@github.c= om>
wrote:

> I think the IETF in the past has valued bandwidth over PLT.
>
> For QUIC - I think that's backwards.
>
> QUIC has already made the latency over bw trade with the CI by using a=
> 1200 byte CI instead of a 3 way handshake. I'd like to think that = the CI is
> a small fraction of total quic bandwidth and this is worthwhile.
>
> We've seen applications (especially http applications) push back a= gainst
> the historical TCP situation in a number of places even in a TCP conte= xt..
> showing that the tradeoff wants to favor latency.
>
> -
>
> for years chrome and firefox have both started a new TCP connection=
> when a previous connection attempt has not yet connected after ~300= ms. This
> is to workaround the 3 second OS level timer - which is considered = too high
> of a delay especially when you're otherwise staring at a idle s= pinner. And
> yes, that commonly results in 2 completed connections without any T= CP level
> retransmissions - but in the grand scheme of things a couple of pac= kets is
> a nop but the benefit is significant.
> -
>
> chrome, firefox, and edge commonly initiate tcp connections before<= br> > they have any http data to send on them (perhaps this is done total= ly
> speculatively, perhaps it is done by opening N when you only need 1= at the
> moment.. in anticipation). Mostly this is done for latency purposes= - get
> the tcp and tls handshakes out of the way so they are ready for htt= p data
> when it happens (some of it can go away when we think 0rtt quic wou= ld work
> instead). Many of these connections close without ever transferring=
> meaningful data - but that's a latency over bandwidth tradeoff = (and the
> bandwidth consumed is small enough in comparison that it doesn'= t
> meaningfully impact the real data transfer that goes on).
> -
>
> TCP PLT, default on in linux distributions, is another illustration= of
> http applications willing to trade off some wasted retransmissions = against
> the tyranny of large timers.
>
> Also worth nothing that enabling fec extensions is within the wg chart= er
> (although doing them is not) - and fec is the ultimate in latency over=
> bandwidth tradeoff but much harder to get right than the redundant con= trol
> traffic we're talking about here.
>
> =E2=80=94
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Well, all I can say that people complain that my test server sends them multiple SHs and I tell them it's because of the 100ms initial value...

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On the server side, it is pretty reasonable to do some smart configuration. Also, you could use a repeat of the Client Initial as a retransmission trigger for the SH.

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On 8/30/2017 6:59 AM, Ryan Hamilton wrote:
> We have RTT data from Chrome which shows that the initial RTT
> distribution:
>
> PercentileValue
> 25.00% 22.58
> 50.00% 46.28
> 75.00% 88.08
> 95.00% 240.0
> 99.00% 733.9
> 99.50% 1187
>
>
> From this table, 100ms looks like a fine choice. 1s, on the other hand= , is
> more than 10x the value at the median and is larger than the RTT for > 99% of
> users. As Patrick says, I think the goal of QUIC is to make the web fa= ster
> and would prefer to err on the side of faster.

>From the table, 150 or 200 would be OK -- no retransmit in 90% of the cases= .

There is another way to view this. Currently, the spec specifies a
series of retransmissions with exponential increase of the RTT: T, 2*T,
4*T, 8*T, give up after 16*T. For T at 1 sec, that means retries can
take up to 30 seconds.=C2=A0 That's way too long for many applications.= For
100 ms, that's 3 seconds, which is OK-ish but still high. Of course, we=
have to cover the 99.5% case above.



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Of course, if we had synchronized time, we could put a time stamp in the CH, and the server would have an idea of the appropriate timeout for the SH.

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----==_mimepart_59a7114c65953_1b8b3fc45e253c3c50ca-- From nobody Wed Aug 30 16:37:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC9E132703 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 16:37:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HQZyWphCG40R for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 16:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9285E132418 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 16:37:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=ed9ovguG2boCKKG77O9hl6hPLTQ=; b=MUeCgEJO8lERO7tN f6KOqGJOVl2Bwo4wRMTMYrdY4tNXRtcKh5T2OGWBYsW7fRqeZQ0+TU8pCfXDyB6A KVV6QHcScovMDvCDy83/ZeOotDTzho0Y7ZgkEi0lPzsl+UzBjqoWiW0dQ7NSPSuz D6xqzDOLAxpz5YuJOCEPajMyNho= Received: by filter0189p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0189p1las1-2549-59A74C28-1 2017-08-30 23:37:12.125437359 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id VHt8C8h_QFuBI7LwOhcOKw for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 23:37:12.138 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 23:37:12 +0000 (UTC) From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling un-ackable packets (#751) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59a74c27f1ca7_78fd3fc9fd249c38938c2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0mxkFOdPA9/xKnkoZkLceggXJiZzUuKU8/47 fVSKRm3of3I3Fa+oJTqchaS0uWetpC+iLBH9KTEWb5s3YmSIQBqFGsfK07c6Bq9aQDwdSFy6mH8IYy d8BzVB1nl325urLIZWlEOJ3AZEvLHCXBTWA5H0+ghZ/zLjfifHkiuKSqkiObYF3meBUiNPqEOoKW/G M= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 23:37:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59a74c27f1ca7_78fd3fc9fd249c38938c2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 5:42 PM, ekr wrote: > Well, it's relatively fine to hold this 0-RTT data b/c you can't decrypt > it anyway (modulo potential DoS issues). > > The solution I would propose here is that when we update the ACK frame, we > allow an empty ACK, and then that can be used for fast retransmission > =E2=80=8BThis seems reasonable to me. It would every so slightly complicate= the implementation of a "stateless" server (which delays the creation of the connection until a valid client hello arrives), because presumably these "empty" ACK frames would be delivered in packets which would consume packet number space. So when the server finally gets around to responding the the client's handshake, it would need to account for the packet numbers consumed by those packets. I don't think this is a problem, just a detail. =E2=80=8BCheers, Ryan=E2=80=8B --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/751#issuecomment-326148280= ----==_mimepart_59a74c27f1ca7_78fd3fc9fd249c38938c2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 5:42 PM, ekr <notifications@github.com> wrote= :

> Well, it's relatively fine to hold this 0-RTT data b/c you can'= ;t decrypt
> it anyway (modulo potential DoS issues).
>
> The solution I would propose here is that when we update the ACK frame= , we
> allow an empty ACK, and then that can be used for fast retransmission<= br> >
=E2=80=8BThis seems reasonable to me. It would every so slightly complicate= the
implementation of a "stateless" server (which delays the creation= of the
connection until a valid client hello arrives), because presumably these
"empty" ACK frames would be delivered in packets which would cons= ume packet
number space. So when the server finally gets around to responding the the<= br> client's handshake, it would need to account for the packet numbers
consumed by those packets. I don't think this is a problem, just a deta= il.

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= ----==_mimepart_59a74c27f1ca7_78fd3fc9fd249c38938c2-- From nobody Wed Aug 30 17:12:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C39132332 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:12:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.396 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.396 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2gLm8RbhhDS0 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:12:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5962E132A80 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 17:12:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=ChEBXvk/8NpXmkeVd1A9nYMfDGM=; b=V3n8pcaMF4sYsulO wEEBmJJRJ97wLr++YoI8CWe4fA93yQydf6n3wNrYE2WcS2gvJ/oBFNVWGFSAI09n 1yQoOYZlb6GYqf6xQpC3Q1CiUzBq0a/anRWpjHImEJvCW3BcpMyryB9hqtnmGqEl V8AWYTQbJfJdHZ9OogGJnEg6MtM= Received: by filter0569p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0569p1mdw1-7346-59A75461-1 2017-08-31 00:12:17.018318559 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0037p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id PHLQdqnrTpKMh-DpbBxQaw for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 00:12:16.924 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 00:12:17 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling un-ackable packets (#751) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59a75460977d4_54433fa1f1f2fc38238d7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3jakDwyhcqC1Mu3pyuNE25posiFfCVb23qFI Sm837vR1px1M/P+WXKZPBTRPAzKV4eH62QmE6IDbBXoJ8Hcc9ElpY20ZnzdytpM7N/wfy8mK52+INb qcZvXWxWVWCD1PdCLHG1x7K2lEdcyTOlw2YWoSxp29OlKzqoJqMl03tGbd4uJBswh2TWBZGgx3bERU I= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 00:12:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59a75460977d4_54433fa1f1f2fc38238d7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @RyanAtGoogle, Maybe we can deal with the packet number issue by minting another packet type. That might be best given that we would have nothing to send in this packet and ideally you want to ensure that you have a way for the server to show that it actually received a packet (triggering retransmission isn't that big of a deal, but if we can prevent off-path entities from doing that cheaply, that's worth doing). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/751#issuecomment-326153203 ----==_mimepart_59a75460977d4_54433fa1f1f2fc38238d7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@Ryan= AtGoogle, Maybe we can deal with the packet number issue by minting ano= ther packet type. That might be best given that we would have nothing to s= end in this packet and ideally you want to ensure that you have a way for t= he server to show that it actually received a packet (triggering retransmis= sion isn't that big of a deal, but if we can prevent off-path entities from= doing that cheaply, that's worth doing).

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Sure, that sounds plausible too. Perhaps add a hash of the received packet contents into the body of this new packet type?

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This seems like a simple error that @ianswett should be able to confirm. (Tip: I would use abs(x) rather than |x|; it's more verbose and intent is clearer.)

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See #693. = I think that we would take the conclusion of that. (Right now that's ag= reed, I think, but waiting on some restructuring of the document, which i= n turn is waiting for our PR backlog to thin out some more.)

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Discussed this in Prague. The working group concluded:

  1. On-path attacks prior to handshake completion aren't worth expending ser= ious effort on addressing right now. (This includes during resumption, wher= e in theory you might be able to defend against some attacks.) We will con= centrate our efforts on defending against attacks from off-path adversarie= s.

  2. Off-path attacks would be protected against by using return routeability= /proof of receipt. The general bias is toward using AEAD with a fixed key = (see #693), though th= ere seems to be some disagreement about whether Version Negotiation is spec= ial or not.

  3. Agreed on basic principles:

If a packet is potentially legitimate
=E2=80=A6 and it can be accepted, accept it
=E2=80=A6 and it is redundant, ignore it
=E2=80=A6 and it is in error, fail
=E2=80=A6 use CONNECTION_CLOSE if you can
=E2=80=A6 use TLS Alerts if one is provided
If the packet is clearly bad, drop it (though not to the exclusion of DoS p= rotection strategies)

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Based on the principles in #645, I propose that we continue to validate ACK frames as normal = AND drop the connection if they are invalid. If an attacker wants to disru= pt the connection at this point, they are welcome to do so.

This includes ACK frames that acknowledge packets that were encrypted. = If those arrive in cleartext packets, (a name we should retain even after <= a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/693" class=3D"issue-= link js-issue-link" data-url=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issue= s/693" data-id=3D"244594256" data-error-text=3D"Failed to load issue title"= data-permission-text=3D"Issue title is private">#693), they are invali= d and the connection is bad. As someone (Ian, I think) pointed out on anot= her thread, at the point you discover that the ACK is bad, you might have p= rocessed a bunch of other frames, and backing out changes (particularly to = TLS) is very difficult.

Dropping the connection is the most robust response. It also increases = the chances that faults are discovered, absent the Alt-Svc curse.

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I've chosen to limit the size to the CI. That's 1200 currently (or more) and should be plenty og space for many versions. Closes #585. ----==_mimepart_59a7999f87105_22d533f85f70efc38644c6-- From nobody Wed Aug 30 22:08:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E106E132983 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 22:08:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GSkPvgE3mtjP for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 22:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B2761328EA for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2017 22:07:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=zWwmkp5norBKqpbw0NK9E5xD62Y=; b=AE/BbLo9e7b05Zn9 Aydg2U2m+ADXQPgLoeBlLuki17sKQAsiTricE00LD4C7cAARe9o9bdTS/6Ma/b/c /Zi7dKQoOMdPp3OsE5iDDqxJQe2ChU55lJZeBqcks6Bj1qPpyfDYeaSuj16YabvU mYFPZ5grZLYSBW6Pk6AZgfanX74= Received: by filter1103p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1103p1mdw1-5790-59A799AE-4 2017-08-31 05:07:58.480613482 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0030p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 7HFfhHkRRri8GvU4awHucg for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 05:07:58.395 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 05:07:58 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Size limit for Version Negotiation (#754) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59a799ae1c27c_41c33fb90a575c3085933"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2pTdqzyefrsMakdsGb+XOLlnyx8Lhgjf/tNQ Zyq5yOgGLnVnlklC0xwLGCTrhuuDuF4a9D2WXS/lWRIJkQuLLL9IZIWQ6hiV+4l+jf2ijOQMCvHZed mbCdwK0X1Z9lrmymPpdigvOQeaYO8xjrp4CF7E5CJvhrSaCmxFiziso8sNrSaCZ5+/MR01sm1cZit2 w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 05:08:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59a799ae1c27c_41c33fb90a575c3085933 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As discussed, the limits are largely practical, and there should be enough incentive to avoid inflation, but it pays to be a little more precise when defining protocols or you can get odd downstream effects. I've chosen to limit the size to the CI. That's 1200 currently (or more) and should be plenty og space for many versions. Closes #585. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/754 -- Commit Summary -- * Size limit for Version Negotiation -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (7) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/754.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/754.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/754 ----==_mimepart_59a799ae1c27c_41c33fb90a575c3085933 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

As discussed, the limits are largely practical, and there should be enough
incentive to avoid inflation, but it pays to be a little more precise when
defining protocols or you can get odd downstream effects. I've chosen to limit
the size to the CI. That's 1200 currently (or more) and should be plenty og
space for many versions.

Closes #585.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/754

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  • Size limit for Version Negotiation

File Changes

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The current draft makes the choice between time-based and packet-based= reordering exclusive. It doesn't current offer any guidance about how t= o choose between the two. One criterion could be RTT: it could recommend= switching to packet-based reordering detection below a certain RTT.

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I think that I meant #721.

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The idea being that echoing back the connection ID (plus the version specific AEAD) would be sufficient proof of receipt? SGTM

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----==_mimepart_59a8577ed0d36_79323fa2f8999c30947be-- From nobody Thu Aug 31 16:05:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3652132EB5 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 16:05:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lV4qm9el0zqj for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 16:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FB7F132E64 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 16:05:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=MYM44+mkw8aiPuESnEIIAEaV5DM=; b=Me3/gRrDvLzpHdgr LgjJRGPiRGXfHzoTlUgdH8yQNFaMlvVFEuhfOAjiJLgkK73CYI6i/aJte4kNNVdT UK4/dvjaBPBIgsqUwTsBHsgtferjEGoxr8sJ+boPZz0Pl+GGOfMuDn3oUHekQCLI ImLuuXBS25apVap3u63kQBEZ5fQ= Received: by filter0204p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0204p1las1-26202-59A8962C-18 2017-08-31 23:05:16.550655715 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id VGR-GgjGSXquRNDPuWZ1Nw for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 23:05:16.437 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 23:05:16 +0000 (UTC) From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stream closed state and acknowledgments (#743) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59a8962c46c2a_4af13fb1dcc85c30999f5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0McAx5e/06te+wrcverV5akqQ/Hviyb3sE2z cZEJnMDZ/GQ3Fbho+hVtOkxnyRVfVHcOGOsq03w6kEkiuVr9/cH0aAd5mUw+I/uIIPoaIZpuek/OJ/ uXwewxYhFouXHwP8+5j7sP1YsxBw50S2bcoy+cwtMJnENLmi6RV2g0/HCwscBRQ/25i2y4VNSlyrGe k= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 23:05:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59a8962c46c2a_4af13fb1dcc85c30999f5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If the question is specifically about when the stream is closed, doesn't the state diagram make it clear that it's when the FIN is sent, not when the FIN is ACK'd? +--------+ | | | idle | | | +--------+ | send/recv STREAM/RST recv MSD/SB | v recv FIN/ +--------+ send FIN/ recv RST | | send RST ,---------| open |-----------. / | | \ v +--------+ v +----------+ +----------+ | half | | half | | closed | | closed | | (remote) | | (local) | +----------+ +----------+ | | | send FIN/ +--------+ recv FIN/ | \ send RST | | recv RST / `----------->| closed |<-------------' | | +--------+ On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Martin Thomson wrote: > It depends on the model you assume. That assumes a handoff between the > stream and some transmit/retransmit machinery. > > The other model, one that I prefer, is one where the transmission > machinery pulls from available streams. It uses priority to determine what > to send, preferring data that has already been sent. In that case, data on > streams could remain attributed to the stream until it is acknowledged. T= he > advantage here is potentially better prioritization and the cost is a > potential increase in the number of bytes that are outstanding without > acknowledgment. > > Neither model is more modular than the other, the line just appears in a > different place. > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/743#issuecomment-326443532= ----==_mimepart_59a8962c46c2a_4af13fb1dcc85c30999f5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If the question is specifically about when the stream is closed, doesn'= t
the state diagram make it clear that it's when the FIN is sent, not whe= n
the FIN is ACK'd?

+--------+
| |
| idle |
| |
+--------+
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send/recv STREAM/RST
recv MSD/SB
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v
recv FIN/ +--------+ send FIN/
recv RST | | send RST
,---------| open |-----------.
/ | | \
v +--------+ v
+----------+ +----------+
| half | | half |
| closed | | closed |
| (remote) | | (local) |
+----------+ +----------+
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| send FIN/ +--------+ recv FIN/ |
\ send RST | | recv RST /
`----------->| closed |<-------------'
| |
+--------+


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> It depends on the model you assume. That assumes a handoff between the=
> stream and some transmit/retransmit machinery.
>
> The other model, one that I prefer, is one where the transmission
> machinery pulls from available streams. It uses priority to determine = what
> to send, preferring data that has already been sent. In that case, dat= a on
> streams could remain attributed to the stream until it is acknowledged= . The
> advantage here is potentially better prioritization and the cost is a<= br> > potential increase in the number of bytes that are outstanding without=
> acknowledgment.
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> different place.
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= ----==_mimepart_59a8962c46c2a_4af13fb1dcc85c30999f5-- From nobody Thu Aug 31 21:03:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAB6B132F38 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 21:03:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T0UScciSjboJ for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 21:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext5.iad.github.net [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D762E132FAD for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 21:03:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 21:03:53 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1504238633; bh=Kr86inuJj3giRB5+0EVl+oo2N3k3npNHUCxr51S5lvg=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=n/GFI73gVGU8h7feEgC/LE1NIfiTso+i66AQ7M2ID4J6h0XlRUdYOmVwX+8cMbXhX 1Qcn3iqUyP27a4rzr+MljRu1fB+8GnqFo+o/Hu/ChlQtE0JtgoUAFpTYAjld1u/COX bQB9c6mY5sj7PqXFw9bdOFEJq50IBrQB/oo4umGM= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stream closed state and acknowledgments (#743) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59a8dc29e5851_478b3fe78cf19c2c95617"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2017 04:03:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59a8dc29e5851_478b3fe78cf19c2c95617 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, the document - in its current form - is quite clear on this. The issue exists to determine whether this is *desirable* in addition to being documented, because we have in the past had some confusion on this point. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/743#issuecomment-326481757 ----==_mimepart_59a8dc29e5851_478b3fe78cf19c2c95617 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, the document - in its current form - is quite clear on this. The= issue exists to determine whether this is desirable in addition= to being documented, because we have in the past had some confusion on t= his point.

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= ----==_mimepart_59a8dc29e5851_478b3fe78cf19c2c95617-- From nobody Thu Aug 31 21:16:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A1E2133009 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 21:16:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NllB0M2PYiZC for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 21:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3915132E6B for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2017 21:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 21:16:49 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1504239409; bh=Lqjm+7Lp6wceu8r59p3nn9Qzd7ygoy7Ij5ayX+Yl4X4=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=TArZifSfee16ybSJ6RcVkc9g7ZeiVmmn5r+m1e2SvXV50iu8sZs6v7sxT4x7C5cE1 UliMeLYbtZ+Jh+7ipmgY3B2sthRRFLq8H7Dkoj6Kvd2vGaLiYf73RDf3cJg6PsLQrc Au0kJigkqbpCXRYjZqppRgsgnpKbK+aCZqzjSHEk= From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stream closed state and acknowledgments (#743) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59a8df3120a9b_16053fbd23149c34882b5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2017 04:16:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59a8df3120a9b_16053fbd23149c34882b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah, I see. Good point. Not surprisingly, I prefer the "closed when sent" interpretation. This allows a relatively clean separation between the "stream" layer (open stream accounting, flow control, etc) and the "packet layer" (packet framing, retransmissions, etc). I agree with Mike that since we no longer have max_streams it doesn't seem like there's a compelling reason to require the FIN be ACK'd in order to consider the stream closed. On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 9:03 PM, Martin Thomson wrote: > Yes, the document - in its current form - is quite clear on this. The > issue exists to determine whether this is *desirable* in addition to > being documented, because we have in the past had some confusion on this > point. > -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/743#issuecomment-326483057 ----==_mimepart_59a8df3120a9b_16053fbd23149c34882b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah, I see. Good point. Not surprisingly, I prefer the "closed when s= ent"
interpretation. This allows a relatively clean separation between the
= "stream" layer (open stream accounting, flow control, etc) and = the "packet
layer" (packet framing, retransmissions, etc). I agree with Mike tha= t since
we no longer have max_streams it doesn't seem like there's a comp= elling
reason to require the FIN be ACK'd in order to consider the stream cl= osed.

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wrote:

> Yes, the document - in its current form - is quite clear on this. Th= e
> issue exists to determine whether this is *desirable* in addition to=
> being documented, because we have in the past had some confusion on = this
> point.
>

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