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Since padding is used to ensure the MTU is large enough in both directio= ns in QUIC, is it going to be hard to ensure the crypto layer adds the righ= t amount of padding to generate a packet with the desired size?

And it seems like this suggestion only applies to the Crypto Handshake. = If so, can we change the title of this issue to "Move crypto handshake pad= ding to the crypto layer"?

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Jana's outstanding PR #801 should resolve this I believe. It'd be good to have your input on that PR Marten, if you have time.

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Looks like your line is too long, because the presubmits are failing.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2GiXtuor87B323tYxLRLdFrQXPKfvFS2S5un ZyyGltjMAlwqZiu4kpuVQmGhbFHKfTsYnTqlZcOjhNGifswqeuL/Im5CToLGg1afjvRHIDNGMJR1/f 9tBEnjfLGBbjuX73l0wl2q45oyqNxFTLZFb+H/3LCeU6nK/nOsmyEa+gfGKO+YCeGp02mxaarsVVL1 c= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2017 00:03:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59d18239b2eb4_e043fa362ccaf3475783 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think this closes #763 You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/813 -- Commit Summary -- * Retransmit stream data, not stream frames -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (2) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/813.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/813.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I think this closes #763

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I think we all vehemently agree on how the text should read, even if it doesn't today. I sent out a PR to fix the one case I could find where we talk about retransmitting frames in the transport draft.

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Some of those benefit from unreliable or semi-reliable transmission. Examples include WebRTC, MOSH, and IoT protocols. These applications use sub-MTU sized unidirectional message payloads heavily. QUIC provides these applications many benefits, including fast and secure connection establishment, security, reliability(if desired) and a common congestion control context to share with other applications. Additionally, there may be cases where the QUIC HTTP mapping would benefit from a less stream-oriented transmission of data, such as QPACK and QCRAM state updates. Moving them over to a MESSAGE frame type would be an optimization, but potentially a simplifying one. Benefits: 1) Removing framing overhead from STREAM frames(stream id, length) 2) Messages can be immediately processed, they require no temporary memory and greatly reduce processing overhead. Negatives: 1) Adds a new frame type SST(http://www.brynosaurus.com/pub/net/sst.pdf) made a similar optimization and I think it would be valuable in QUIC. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/814 ----==_mimepart_59d18b7a69eff_68693fa6c85d8f28707dd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In the future, QUIC wants to support a wide variety of applications. Some of those benefit from unreliable or semi-reliable transmission.

Examples include WebRTC, MOSH, and IoT protocols. These applications use sub-MTU sized unidirectional message payloads heavily.

QUIC provides these applications many benefits, including fast and secure connection establishment, security, reliability(if desired) and a common congestion control context to share with other applications.

Additionally, there may be cases where the QUIC HTTP mapping would benefit from a less stream-oriented transmission of data, such as QPACK and QCRAM state updates. Moving them over to a MESSAGE frame type would be an optimization, but potentially a simplifying one.

Benefits:

  1. Removing framing overhead from STREAM frames(stream id, length)
  2. Messages can be immediately processed, they require no temporary memory and greatly reduce processing overhead.

Negatives:

  1. Adds a new frame type

SST(http://www.brynosaurus.com/pub/net/sst.pdf) made a similar optimization and I think it would be valuable in QUIC.

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A few comments, but this looks good overall. > -TODO: see issue #161 +An endpoint that see a new source IP address and port (or just a new source see/sees > -TODO: see issue #161 +An endpoint that see a new source IP address and port (or just a new source +port) on packets from its peer is likely seeing a connection migration at the +peer. + +However, it is also possible that the peer is spoofing its source address in +order to cause the endpoint to send excessive amounts of data to an unwilling +host. If the endpoint sends significantly more data than the peer, connection +migration might be used to amplify the volume of data that an attacker can +generate toward a victim. + +Thus, when seeing a new remote transport address, an endpoint MUST verify that +its peer can receive and respond to packets at that new address. By providing +copies of the frames that it receives, the peer proves that it is receiving nit: Technically, they're not copies of the frames. > +of data and packets that it sends to its peer. At a minimum, this needs to +consider the possibility that packets are sent without congestion feedback. + +Once a connection is established, address validation is relatively simple (see +{{address-validation}} for the process that is used during the handshake). An +endpoint validates a remote address by sending a PING frame containing a payload +that is hard to guess. This frame MUST be sent in a packet that is sent to the +new address. Once a PONG frame containing the same payload is received, the +address is considered to be valid. The PONG frame can use any path on its +return. A PING frame containing 12 randomly generated {{?RFC4086}} octets is +sufficient to ensure that it is easier to receive the packet than it is to guess +the value correctly. + +Note: + +: Retransmissions of the PING frame MUST also use the same remote address. Should we be retransmitting the same PING frame or a different PING frame? > + +Once a connection is established, address validation is relatively simple (see +{{address-validation}} for the process that is used during the handshake). An +endpoint validates a remote address by sending a PING frame containing a payload +that is hard to guess. This frame MUST be sent in a packet that is sent to the +new address. Once a PONG frame containing the same payload is received, the +address is considered to be valid. The PONG frame can use any path on its +return. A PING frame containing 12 randomly generated {{?RFC4086}} octets is +sufficient to ensure that it is easier to receive the packet than it is to guess +the value correctly. + +Note: + +: Retransmissions of the PING frame MUST also use the same remote address. + +If validation of the new remote address fails, after allowing enough time for What if other packets continue to arrive from the old address? Shouldn't the connection just stay on the old address? > +## Spurious Connection Migrations + +A connection migration could be triggered by an attacker that is able to capture +and forward a packet such that it arrives before the legitimate copy of that +packet. Such a packet will appear to be a legitimate connection migration and +the legitimate copy will be dropped as a duplicate. + +After a spurious migration, validation of the source address will fail because +the entity at the source address does not have the necessary cryptographic keys +to read or respond to the PING frame that is sent to it, even if it wanted to. +Such a spurious connection migration could result in the connection being +dropped when the source address validation fails. This grants an attacker the +ability to terminate the connection. + +Receipt of packets with higher packet numbers from the legitimate address will +trigger another connection migration. This will cause the validation of the Thanks, this makes sense. Possibly allude to it earlier in the text? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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A few comments, but this looks good overall.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-TODO: see issue #161
+An endpoint that see a new source IP address and port (or just a new source

see/sees

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-TODO: see issue #161
+An endpoint that see a new source IP address and port (or just a new source
+port) on packets from its peer is likely seeing a connection migration at the
+peer.
+
+However, it is also possible that the peer is spoofing its source address in
+order to cause the endpoint to send excessive amounts of data to an unwilling
+host.  If the endpoint sends significantly more data than the peer, connection
+migration might be used to amplify the volume of data that an attacker can
+generate toward a victim.
+
+Thus, when seeing a new remote transport address, an endpoint MUST verify that
+its peer can receive and respond to packets at that new address.  By providing
+copies of the frames that it receives, the peer proves that it is receiving

nit: Technically, they're not copies of the frames.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +of data and packets that it sends to its peer.  At a minimum, this needs to
+consider the possibility that packets are sent without congestion feedback.
+
+Once a connection is established, address validation is relatively simple (see
+{{address-validation}} for the process that is used during the handshake).  An
+endpoint validates a remote address by sending a PING frame containing a payload
+that is hard to guess.  This frame MUST be sent in a packet that is sent to the
+new address.  Once a PONG frame containing the same payload is received, the
+address is considered to be valid.  The PONG frame can use any path on its
+return.  A PING frame containing 12 randomly generated {{?RFC4086}} octets is
+sufficient to ensure that it is easier to receive the packet than it is to guess
+the value correctly.
+
+Note:
+
+: Retransmissions of the PING frame MUST also use the same remote address.

Should we be retransmitting the same PING frame or a different PING frame?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+Once a connection is established, address validation is relatively simple (see
+{{address-validation}} for the process that is used during the handshake).  An
+endpoint validates a remote address by sending a PING frame containing a payload
+that is hard to guess.  This frame MUST be sent in a packet that is sent to the
+new address.  Once a PONG frame containing the same payload is received, the
+address is considered to be valid.  The PONG frame can use any path on its
+return.  A PING frame containing 12 randomly generated {{?RFC4086}} octets is
+sufficient to ensure that it is easier to receive the packet than it is to guess
+the value correctly.
+
+Note:
+
+: Retransmissions of the PING frame MUST also use the same remote address.
+
+If validation of the new remote address fails, after allowing enough time for

What if other packets continue to arrive from the old address? Shouldn't the connection just stay on the old address?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +## Spurious Connection Migrations
+
+A connection migration could be triggered by an attacker that is able to capture
+and forward a packet such that it arrives before the legitimate copy of that
+packet.  Such a packet will appear to be a legitimate connection migration and
+the legitimate copy will be dropped as a duplicate.
+
+After a spurious migration, validation of the source address will fail because
+the entity at the source address does not have the necessary cryptographic keys
+to read or respond to the PING frame that is sent to it, even if it wanted to.
+Such a spurious connection migration could result in the connection being
+dropped when the source address validation fails.  This grants an attacker the
+ability to terminate the connection.
+
+Receipt of packets with higher packet numbers from the legitimate address will
+trigger another connection migration.  This will cause the validation of the

Thanks, this makes sense. Possibly allude to it earlier in the text?

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Change SHOULD to MUST in "Implementations MUST NOT generate ACK packets in response to packets which only contain ACKs."

The current text is an error.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1992,7 +1992,7 @@ Error Code:
 Receivers send ACK frames to inform senders which packets they have received and
 processed, as well as which packets are considered missing.  The ACK frame
 contains between 1 and 256 ACK blocks.  ACK blocks are ranges of acknowledged
-packets. Implementations SHOULD NOT generate ACK packets in response to packets
+packets. Implementations MUST NOT generate ACK packets in response to packets

Hmm, this is a fine change in principle, but the sentence is nonsensical. "ACK packets"?

Isn't the change we want something like: "MUST NOT generate a packet containing only ACK frames if all they have received is packets containing ACK frames."

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----==_mimepart_59d278135e22c_6bff3feb48b6ef2c4496d-- From nobody Mon Oct 2 10:32:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 520AB133039 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 10:32:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HL6LoNIYHztB for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 10:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m69-169.mailgun.net (m69-169.mailgun.net [166.78.69.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4874A13301C for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2017 10:32:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1506965528; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=KAeboqAReLZiU2gGLglOlV1SR7YNSQpVHJc9XxsWmEo=; b=yI9r0sIxqBIeh1yhqNbSt+j/vwljtRjZvGn7lrNEnwomnOD6BGcVrXs4QpBM/V6+Yx+lyPrK QKA87CPcLHBRmj1UkDEiu42llV62We9EeSQU1jyIr5W2SHbWik2ANtMWEdAXaz2Z9DcmSuE1 YZw+6SHqjR9MVkU7Ri5BRnH6nAU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0AwLDtw/2NITVjWKwUxudWPhE3bdauZgFeUXjY9Tjp1pFXzqRZ7N6G6+5WZmi3QLn5gxLf Qw3am00qWNZM8gL0ocGHGfxKNchkt9W8h7B3NmkbOfIe2O+9/zG2Jxel0yl6p0RKaxpLUKNm ZudXCiex0YtCzlmd08gdxLx7D4S2s= Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.169 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.40]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 59d27815.7f0fe41d9840-smtp-out-n01; Mon, 02 Oct 2017 17:32:05 -0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2017 10:32:04 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <59d27814e8773_75fa3fbb9a9f1c2c1015f@hookshot-fe6-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 83576f: Specify what to do with bogus streams. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1992,7 +1992,7 @@ Error Code:
 Receivers send ACK frames to inform senders which packets they have received and
 processed, as well as which packets are considered missing.  The ACK frame
 contains between 1 and 256 ACK blocks.  ACK blocks are ranges of acknowledged
-packets. Implementations SHOULD NOT generate ACK packets in response to packets
+packets. Implementations MUST NOT generate ACK packets in response to packets

Yes, of course. That packet text is everywhere.

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This is a fine change, but I don't think that it closes #763.

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Thanks Martin, take another look at the updated text and see if that is correct.

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Agreed on #763, there are a lot more errors than I thought.

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This is a proposal, and our contribution guidelines state that issues ar= e for problems. Can you restate this in terms of a problem? I think that = you have most of that here.

I'm not expressing an opinion yet but this raises a lot of questions. A= nswers to the following questions might help inform that opinion.

How are the proposed MESSAGE frames identified? That would be needed to= repair them. Identifiers might be used at the application layer too, but = I'm starting to join @mcmanus in his view that using the transport layer identifiers= in application protocols is not a good idea.

Actually, can they be repaired?

How are these flow controlled? I assume that only the connection flow c= ontrol limit applies. Or does your comment about immediate processing impl= y that you expect them to not need flow control?

How does a receiver limit the number of these frames? Can they?

How does this remove length?

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BLOCKED is "retransmitted", because all frames that don't have retransmi= ssion rules are retransmitted.

You are right however to note that there is less value in indicating tha= t you are blocked when that state ends. That's a different problem to the = one that I was attempting to address, though the solution that I suggest mi= ght go some way to addressing your concerns.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1992,9 +1992,10 @@ Error Code:
 Receivers send ACK frames to inform senders which packets they have received and
 processed, as well as which packets are considered missing.  The ACK frame
 contains between 1 and 256 ACK blocks.  ACK blocks are ranges of acknowledged
-packets. Implementations SHOULD NOT generate ACK packets in response to packets
-which only contain ACKs. However, they SHOULD ACK those packets when sending
-ACKs for other packets.
+packets. Implementations MUST NOT generate packets that only contain ACK frames
+in response to packets which only contain ACK frames. However, they SHOULD ACK
+packets containing only ack frames when sending ACK frames in response to other

"they SHOULD acknowledge packets containing only ACK frames when sending ACK frames in response to other packets."

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Merged #813.

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:) Luckily this didn't actually close #763, even though it seemed like it might.

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Thanks for the comments. I rephrased it to fit the guidelines.

I'm wrong about length, it's just like a stream frame in that regard. But it does remove offset.

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Sorry if this is covered, just a response to Ians latest comment: It m= akes sense to ack the the same block multiple times because, say, four ou= t of hundred packets might be retransmitted. As they are received, the en= tire range can be acked as a single range going forward. Then you just do= n't re-ACK the oldest fully covered range rather than all covered ranges.=

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit `The version 0x00000000 is reserved to represent an invalid version`, but what is the expected behavior when a server receives it? 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The version 0x00000000 is reserved to represent an invalid version, but what is the expected behavior when a server receives it? Should it initiate version negotiation, or should it reject the incoming message entirely?

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  • Simplify stateless retry. There's no reason for it to contain ACKs
  • Revise text a bit

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Otherwise, version negotiation doesn't work especially well. There are perhaps ways in which VN could work without this, but all of those are either deeply unpleasant or limited in different ways. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/819 -- Commit Summary -- * Version Negotiation packet format is version-invariant -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (8) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/819.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/819.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/819 ----==_mimepart_59d3c66294bd7_d303fde73368f3062591 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Otherwise, version negotiation doesn't work especially well.

There are perhaps ways in which VN could work without this, but all of those are either deeply unpleasant or limited in different ways.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/819

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Tue, 03 Oct 2017 17:13:45 -0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2017 10:13:44 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <59d3c548325f9_58203fcdad429c3465258@hookshot-fe6-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] badce4: Correct statement on padding Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59d3c54832237_58203fcdad429c34651c4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2017 17:23:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59d3c54832237_58203fcdad429c34651c4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: badce41a3d996b9353ce57e0a4b46fc77a52f584 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/badce41a3d996b9353ce57e0a4b46fc77a52f584 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-03 (Tue, 03 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Correct statement on padding ----==_mimepart_59d3c54832237_58203fcdad429c34651c4-- From nobody Tue Oct 3 10:32:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F4C134F9B for ; 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It would be better to just have a random sequence number (which is what this effectively is anyway) and then the token in the body. In fact, that's so obviously better that when I implemented this, I totally missed it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/820 ----==_mimepart_59d3ca7790f0c_5df23f7e72668f3448687 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The issue is that part of the token is in what you would otherwise interpret as the sequence number field, which means that you need special serializers and deserializers. It would be better to just have a random sequence number (which is what this effectively is anyway) and then the token in the body. In fact, that's so obviously better that when I implemented this, I totally missed it.

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Nonetheless, those intermediaries may require connection id to do proper address translation or connection management but have no way to signal to the endpoints that the `omit_connection_id` parameter must not be set. In particular intermediaries (especially those acting on behalf of, or in concert with, the client and server -- e.g. L4 load-balancers, client gateways, configured proxies) that attempt to manage routing through address migration or NAT re-bindings would require connection ids in both directions. Further, some aspects of client privacy are currently assumed to be achieved by clients not sending a connection id but the specification does not require this. And some aspects of connection id migration require the servers to send the client a new connection id preemptively which they are not currently required to do. Simply requiring connection ids without requiring the servers to provide clients with the ability to migrate them does not seem to provide sufficient privacy. My suggestion here would be to modify the specification to always require connection ids be sent by both endpoints and further require endpoints to exchange the necessary information that allows connection id migration to be initiated at will by the client. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/821 ----==_mimepart_59d3ca7cc4f5e_3a1a3f8490f38f287768d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Intermediaries in a QUIC connection do not (and cannot) participate in transport parameter negotiation and endpoints in a connection may not be able to configure or even have knowledge of any intermediaries. Nonetheless, those intermediaries may require connection id to do proper address translation or connection management but have no way to signal to the endpoints that the omit_connection_id parameter must not be set.

In particular intermediaries (especially those acting on behalf of, or in concert with, the client and server -- e.g. L4 load-balancers, client gateways, configured proxies) that attempt to manage routing through address migration or NAT re-bindings would require connection ids in both directions.

Further, some aspects of client privacy are currently assumed to be achieved by clients not sending a connection id but the specification does not require this. And some aspects of connection id migration require the servers to send the client a new connection id preemptively which they are not currently required to do. Simply requiring connection ids without requiring the servers to provide clients with the ability to migrate them does not seem to provide sufficient privacy.

My suggestion here would be to modify the specification to always require connection ids be sent by both endpoints and further require endpoints to exchange the necessary information that allows connection id migration to be initiated at will by the client.

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There is no value and additional validation cost in prescribing cleartext packet types for each direction of communication.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One benefit is that if the network routes packets incorrectly, it's easy for the server to drop the client's packets and client to drop the server's. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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One benefit is that if the network routes packets incorrectly, it's easy for the server to drop the client's packets and client to drop the server's.

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The original motivation for not including a connection id was saving b= ytes on the wire, not privacy.

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The draft is pretty inconsistent about what packet number to use in response to version negotiation or stateless retry. Since no one implements re-randomization, just move to an increment-by-one.

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I don't believe that anyone actually implemented this, and it is
unnecessary.

Closes #823.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/824

Commit Summary

  • Remove packet number re-randomization requirement

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If there is a concern about directionality I think it would be prefera= ble to mirror the directionality inferred in the encrypted packets by usi= ng hashes based on the packet direction similar to what's done for the en= cryption keys today.

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Conveniently, the last N bytes is the authentication tag and N = 16. So I like this idea.

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Currently we have a set of bad properties:

  • You can't MAX_STREAM_DATA in stream 0
  • Stream 0 is stream-level flow controlled
  • People have big certs

When you put these all together, we are going to have problems. There are a number of options:

  1. Allow MAX_STREAM_DATA
  2. Exempt stream 0 from flow control
  3. Prohibit big certs
  4. Have a fixed flow control window refreshed by the ACK.

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We don't need special handling for this.

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Client Initial is fixed in size. Client Cleartext is sent after the 1-RTT keys are available, so the server can send MAX_STREAM_DATA. The other idea was to split flow control for stream 0 across the handshake: MAX_STREAM_DATA can be sent by the client (and server) in the clear, but any flow control is reset once the handshake completes (the consumed flow control on the stream is reset, the final offset is set back to the initial value, and maybe also the stream offset goes back to zero). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/825#issuecomment-333956530 ----==_mimepart_59d3e8dbd852f_2d8d43fd1693caf305298d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Note that this is only a problem for the Server Cleartext. Client Initi= al is fixed in size. Client Cleartext is sent after the 1-RTT keys are avai= lable, so the server can send MAX_STREAM_DATA.

The other idea was to split flow control for stream 0 across the handsha= ke: MAX_STREAM_DATA can be sent by the client (and server) in the clear, bu= t any flow control is reset once the handshake completes (the consumed flow= control on the stream is reset, the final offset is set back to the initia= l value, and maybe also the stream offset goes back to zero).

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -618,10 +618,11 @@ any version negotiation that occurred (see {{version-negotiation}}).  The client
 MAY also retain any observed RTT or congestion state that it has accumulated for
 the flow, but other transport state MUST be discarded.
 
-The payload of the Server Stateless Retry packet contains STREAM frames and
-could contain PADDING and ACK frames.  A server can only send a single Server
-Stateless Retry packet in response to each Client Initial packet that is
-receives.
+The payload of the Server Stateless Retry packet contains a single
+STREAM frame on stream 0 with offset 0 containing the server's
+cryptographic stateless retry material. It MUST NOT contain any other
+frames. Any future stream frames from the server will also start at
+stream offset 0.

Nit: STREAM frames. Also, this somewhat implies that ALL STREAM frames will have an offset of 0. I think that you mean that the NEXT STREAM frame starts at an offset of 0.

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I'm happy with that as well.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The text in Sec 7.1 that details client handling of a version negotiation packet is not accurate: "Though the contents of a packet might not change in response to version negotiation, a client MUST increase the packet number it uses on every packet it sends." In particular because the transport parameters must be updated to reflect the version negotiation, the contents of the client initial packet must change. Also the first packet number will never be acknowledged so increasing the packet number by one to signify a retransmission does not make sense. In particular the packet number should be reinitialized as specified in Sec 5.4.1 since as stated above, new contents must be created. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/826 ----==_mimepart_59d4085eeeeba_3cfd3fad31a52f3029758 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The text in Sec 7.1 that details client handling of a version negotiation packet is not accurate:

"Though the contents of a packet might not change in response to version negotiation, a client MUST increase the packet number it uses on every packet it sends."

In particular because the transport parameters must be updated to reflect the version negotiation, the contents of the client initial packet must change. Also the first packet number will never be acknowledged so increasing the packet number by one to signify a retransmission does not make sense.

In particular the packet number should be reinitialized as specified in Sec 5.4.1 since as stated above, new contents must be created.

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Sec. 7.1 details the server handling for packets with unknown versions but has no mention on client behavior when it receives packets with unknown versions.

The section does detail MUST and MUST NOT behavior for handling version negotiation packets.

An additional requirement should be added that clients must ignore packets with unknown versions.

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State machine diagrams as discussed today.

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Interesting question. Picoquic and Quickly have an interop issue because Quickly acks the client finished message (client clear text) in a server clear text packet carrying an ACK. Picoquic ignores the server clear text packet because it has already sent the client finished and has moved to encrypted operation. Who is right?

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The client doesn't check that the version numbers sent in the Version Negotiation Packet exactly match those sent in the Transport Parameters, it just checks that 1. a change of the version number was necessary and 2. it would have selected the current version.

Therefore, a server might as well send different reserved version numbers in VNP and Transport Parameters, which will simplify implementations (they don't need to do any derivation based on client address and initial version).

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Yes. With probability 2^-31

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This would make implementations a lot easier (especially ACK generation).

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Merged #12.

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The resolution to #786 wasn't editorial. It changed connection ID to a number, which is unnecessary. The value is constructed by the server and echoed by the client. If it is stored internally by clients and server, that's not really observable.

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we spend a lot of time saying "cid N" did something weird. If there is disagreement on how to speak N it could lead to a whole lot of confusion. I think cid really does have a number semantic.

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FYI, ngtcp2 client does re-randomization on Server Stateless Retry Packet.

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Does Gap =3D 0 ever make sense? I do not think so.
We could do one of two things:

  1. Define the actual gap to be Gap+1 (and keep the semantics of "ACK Bloc= k Length" unchanged), or

  2. If Gap=3D0, the following (("ACK Block Length" << 8) | "Fo= llowing Gap") actually defines the length of the gap. In this case= , the semantics of the regular "ACK Block Length" can be made to match "F= irst ACK Block Length", and chances are excellent that multiple ACK frame= s will not be needed.

Option 2 has a few special cases in it: (a) If "ACK Block Length" is 6= 4 bit, (("ACK Block Length" << 8) | "Following Gap") i= s too large; (b) the last Gap=3D0 still does not make sense (unless someo= ne is willing to assign semantics to it).

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----==_mimepart_59d4e371aca5a_59893ff71cddcf2c11167a-- From nobody Wed Oct 4 06:40:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63430133210 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 06:40:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XhoLUfANU1ON for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 06:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99B66132031 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 06:40:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=re8mVepViRsfC2M1x5KueDfwF2E=; b=XHL8LKKGuFu4Wc95 /igBvQIw52lLjRWJWJZK9zMXfFu50tkjM1k+EGGP+Yzofxs/6ju4e+y1kQCACXVw H53X7ZqFQ7sACvZGXw0XUbSZgR5SLXIb18oBISxEDcu90AbPTiS+sTS+kfzL1WuL Bue86x8D2KLVuBdgHN2WOS8b8bs= Received: by filter0972p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0972p1mdw1-23288-59D4E4B0-3 2017-10-04 13:40:00.622611869 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id wPr7dzt3RJeh-dRrereHCA for ; Wed, 04 Oct 2017 13:40:00.565 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2017 13:40:00 +0000 (UTC) From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] don't allow 0 as a packet number (#832) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59d4e4b071d0d_56cd3fb2435e2f38783c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3h3Y4NVUm1/IpxHT8Ww6Y2iyLmTPFOu9UDvC ZmmMU+WWtr8elXD2GP2zEx9nWenfG6C/lJwPsqyzoTdQNLb6WzGAaWlEREcekqFt3HRIazQwsKv76R Skk4gVTRvbTirGf+rreOdjtNeHOJ/Eaa3iNDC+PzbviNkx9naQlh+GDnBkNH4gyU2c79EqpFWLZtSI c= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2017 13:40:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59d4e4b071d0d_56cd3fb2435e2f38783c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Personally, I don't think it makes it easier. If we add this restriction, we would have to update our implementation to add **extra special case logic** for packet number randomization to not allow 0, and then on the receive side of things, always check to see if packet number was 0 and drop it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/832#issuecomment-334158240 ----==_mimepart_59d4e4b071d0d_56cd3fb2435e2f38783c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Personally, I don't think it makes it easier. If we add this restriction= , we would have to update our implementation to add extra special c= ase logic for packet number randomization to not allow 0, and then= on the receive side of things, always check to see if packet number was 0 = and drop it.

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That's a little extra logic (one if for generating and one if for receiv= ing). By allowing 0 with the probability of 2^-31 we lose the ability to ch= eck that highest received packet number !=3D 0, which will alr= eady is problem for several implementations, and will produce some really n= asty corner cases in the future.

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But why do you need this? Are you just trying to track if you have recei= ved any packet? If so, wouldn't a separate flag for that case work just as = easily? Or a counter for number of packets received?

the ability to check that the highest received packet number !=3D = 0

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Correct, the alternative would be creating bools to track if the first packet was already received, just to cover an extremely improbable corner case in the packet number randomisation.

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If you don't like using a Boolean, keep a counter, which could have other uses, such as a statistical measurement.

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Stats are useful, but it'd nice to keep my stats code separate from my f= raming code. Marten's right, this is definitely annoying to deal with, pro= bably on the send side as well, since our code initializes packet numbers t= o 0 everywhere under the thought that 0 is an invalid packet number.

It's really nice to have an invalid packet number constant, and using 0 = as an invalid packet number is a lot better than using some other value in = my opinion(ie: 2^64-1)

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If we really must have an invalid packet number I would also prefer 2^= 64-1, as that would never be initialized to, since we use 32 random bits,= and we would essentially limit the maximum number allowed by 1. Really, = no additional logic required.

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QPACK tracks which streams reference a header by keeping a horizon plus additional streams. All streams lower than the horizon are assumed to reference the header. Because client initiated streams are odd and push streams are even, the stream space does not increment in a linear fashion. A client-side decoder, for example, needs to track all the streams that are done processing headers. When streams 1 and 3 complete, it cannot adjust its horizon to 3, because stream 2 has not completed (it may not even exist, or ever exist).

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One possible solution is to not use stream IDs at all for tracking QPACK= header usage, and instead use a header block sequence number that incremen= ts linearly for all header blocks.

This has a couple advantages in my opinion:

  1. fixes the problem with even/odd streams
  2. removes the need to treat headers and trailers differently
  3. removes transport stream identifier from the compression code

The obvious disadvantage is that it will decrease the compression ratio = because the sequence number would need to be included in every compressed h= eader block.

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Oh this probably doesn't work. How does a receiver know which header sequences were in a reset transport stream.

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simplify tracking.

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= ----==_mimepart_59d4fbfd359ec_41f43fbd9d3a0f30643aa-- From nobody Wed Oct 4 08:20:43 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44C1127517 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 08:20:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BWsj6fQ0x5Pv for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 08:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext8.iad.github.net [192.30.252.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B080132C2A for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 08:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2017 08:20:35 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507130435; bh=6w5FMmo0u5tjrB0bpGNx1IJXWR2bFGZpaYh5hIZAPSc=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lMun3Deq3EzcDgn+dfzMhp+YDFk40muqV/5dx1Hztl2AW8Z8NjmdMpDBBV7+2F1Ol Q7cPgNhU042QljtXNZ45DRe6uZaEmUcJkQhXd+dWmthY7dYCaybJJwJADxD0tk255F 4ZR+uihsUEIwCw7xQrrhS3D1aNmOLru62QGihcaA= From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection ID is not a number (#834) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59d4fc439260a_7f483fd1324f8f3815720"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2017 15:20:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59d4fc439260a_7f483fd1324f8f3815720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Completely agree. On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 5:47 PM, Patrick McManus wrote: > we spend a lot of time saying "cid N" did something weird. If there is > disagreement on how to speak N it could lead to a whole lot of confusio= n. I > think cid really does have a number semantic. > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/834#issuecomment-334191398= ----==_mimepart_59d4fc439260a_7f483fd1324f8f3815720 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Completely agree.

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Technically, since QPACK isn't an adopted draft, this isn't an issue w= ith the current drafts. If we don't reach a resolution today, I'll proba= bly mark this as "parked." The most obvious (but ugly) is to add more St= ream ID Lists for servers, but I don't like the dichotomy and I don't lik= e adding the bytes needlessly to clients. We'll need to figure something= out here.

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Zero should not be allowed. Zero is a special number, it should be treated as such.

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Why did the server (Quicly) not move to 1-RTT and send the server ack in a 1-RTT packet? That's what I would have expected.

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Why did the server (Quicly) not move to 1-RTT and send the server ack in= a 1-RTT packet? That's what I would have expected.

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(#829) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59d5177f9f2e9_799e3fdf98fd2f3456090"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2017 17:16:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59d5177f9f2e9_799e3fdf98fd2f3456090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FWIW, this is what I do as well. On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Kazuho Oku wrote: > @janaiyengar > > Why did the server (Quicly) not move to 1-RTT and send the server ack i= n a > 1-RTT packet? 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I am concerned that this creates a big special case. If I have to acce= pt a clear text ACK for the Finished message, I need to keep track of the= packet numbers that can be ACKed with that message -- ACKing 1RTT data w= ould be wrong. That's a very big wart in the code.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ``` A receiver that is only sending ACK frames will not receive acknowledgments for its packets. Sending an occasional MAX_DATA or MAX_STREAM_DATA frame as data is received will ensure that acknowledgements are generated by a peer. Otherwise, an endpoint MAY send a PING frame once per RTT to solicit an acknowledgment. ``` If we think this is useful, we should add a flag to ack that says "ack this". -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/836 ----==_mimepart_59d66b0577348_2dd2a3fbae79b6f2c7389f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
   acknowledgments for its packets.  Sending an occasional MAX_DATA or
   MAX_STREAM_DATA frame as data is received will ensure that
   acknowledgements are generated by a peer.  Otherwise, an endpoint MAY
   send a PING frame once per RTT to solicit an acknowledgment.

If we think this is useful, we should add a flag to ack that says "ack this".

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PADDING frames count toward bytes-in-flight, so they can't be included in ACK-only packets. This makes it impossible to pad ACK-only packets. This could prevent some forms of traffic analysis mitigation strategies.

@ekr observes that you could pad with more ACK frames, but that's clunky.

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At this point, it looks like the semantics of PADDING and PING frames are identical -- both take exactly 1 byte, both cause ACKs, both count for congestion control, both have no other effect on transport. Are there any differences (like PING must be ACKed immediately, while PADDING can be ACKed after a delay)?

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Note that if you padded at the crypto layer (see issue #197) then this woud not be a problem.

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why would padding be acked at all? It has no semantic value... (the text is admittedly not clear on this, but it seems like the right resolution.)

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----==_mimepart_59d66f6685907_25d03fb3290d4f283713-- From nobody Thu Oct 5 10:45:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 892A31342FE for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 10:45:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.474 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.474 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aUlOMmsTAvRo for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 10:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext8.iad.github.net [192.30.252.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7B3D1342F4 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 10:45:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 10:45:35 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507225535; bh=BPkWrv8PQ6Dp62L1xCywptd7+zpxTP9x7TCWo4+Y63Y=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=s4RPD3e4rcsN6Q7sGBQFAIZbQ6T9hvIrPMJgqQPqQunO/doqPffRqgk9T9rJltBvA hLGdZXCWS7OsLqNW9KPbtKZ6EjN2bBAmejn06doD6EI4DDF3FJNSa0TfhsREm3vLtd QN/AJWjlIGZrDtinRQp5iHiBaPnXYhAKrL6Q1VHI= From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify PADDING vs PING frames (#838) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59d66fbfc3c5_64e33f86d9aacf2c413da"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 17:45:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59d66fbfc3c5_64e33f86d9aacf2c413da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am also looking for a justification for ACKing PADDING. It was asserted in Seattle that PADDING is ACKed, hence this issue. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/838#issuecomment-334540098 ----==_mimepart_59d66fbfc3c5_64e33f86d9aacf2c413da Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I am also looking for a justification for ACKing PADDING. It was asserted in Seattle that PADDING is ACKed, hence this issue.

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See also #837. I think that the prohibition on generating ACK in response to ACK doesn't also exclude PADDING. That's something we need to discuss more.

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@martinthomson pushed 3 commits.

  • 7278425 Simply reserve the RST_STREAM code of 0.
  • 0ed11a2 Application error code missed
  • c302a45 We really should just call this STOPPING

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59d67de867dae_d823f870f003c3416740"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 18:46:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59d67de867dae_d823f870f003c3416740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/split-errors Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 72784255fa030c25ca3e1ad43d07a5237465dfcd https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/72784255fa030c25ca3e1ad43d07a5237465dfcd Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-05 (Thu, 05 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Simply reserve the RST_STREAM code of 0. Commit: 0ed11a25190a12cbb1d8601f5e9c6ee6620624b7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0ed11a25190a12cbb1d8601f5e9c6ee6620624b7 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-05 (Thu, 05 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Application error code missed Commit: c302a454bf807e9e8428b2ebd7a33a67adcd118f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c302a454bf807e9e8428b2ebd7a33a67adcd118f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-05 (Thu, 05 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- We really should just call this STOPPING Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/0d0b7ab60566...c302a454bf80 ----==_mimepart_59d67de867dae_d823f870f003c3416740-- From nobody Thu Oct 5 11:47:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69209132076 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 11:47:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.396 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.396 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ngSEXPVFwDlp for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 11:47:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D26EF13293A for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 11:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 11:47:52 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507229272; bh=3FMi5lygtMTfgPGhGe0k7aTsZXLzfLBRSWlRlzVxuCU=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=hKERLZEanDIEGB2rKdpbGwJYtAu27+BOCFzb2pflx8IY7rVVQz9z6Y6/FaaYMroC4 oG6/IGTYfj6RDjs8jv6LGJSaPA7mADmLFJ8C3uv3hcwHo+4DtWcCUJU6LQWqGnbGrS gw40hDMpX1RdoWUq1Ooptc06u+mOZE9NBFiCmX3Y= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Padding ACK-only packets (#837) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59d67e58ee744_6f193fddafeb0f38742c5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 18:47:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59d67e58ee744_6f193fddafeb0f38742c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ekr Are you suggesting we remove PADDING from the QUIC layer entirely? If we needed padding for ACKs, we would have the transport request padding be sent by the crypto layer on stream 0? That seems really awkward given the simplicity of QUIC padding, and data on stream 0 still counts towards congestion control, so it'd be functionally equivalent. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/837#issuecomment-334557136 ----==_mimepart_59d67e58ee744_6f193fddafeb0f38742c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@ekr Are= you suggesting we remove PADDING from the QUIC layer entirely? If we ne= eded padding for ACKs, we would have the transport request padding be sen= t by the crypto layer on stream 0?

That seems really awkward given the simplicity of QUIC padding, and da= ta on stream 0 still counts towards congestion control, so it'd be functi= onally equivalent.

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----==_mimepart_59d67ebff121d_31013fb614adef3083899-- From nobody Thu Oct 5 11:51:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE6D21344D1 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 11:51:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H5ZU3bWg-8y0 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 11:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m71-131.mailgun.net (m71-131.mailgun.net [166.78.71.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5EAC31344E0 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 11:50:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1507229408; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=BNYdqorDUS86BPZoNfgX/AbrBTUu8/pxdC67X7hZa2Y=; b=g2PUMrgL4kY+4wKAqpDpkTvO4aw5lL7LyfeYpbXZrBpRIeBQQ0SsaJgYzSEj8xBH6LYd0zOm 9ACGGhVdgFNkdDggNetJVPJu6W+o8ucjfCKdy+DPR+f63EixnRHFqs3QQs/Nc3kdrQrv4uvL zM+FZUhaoMRNyOXYNa2ESUi0e1A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XFOjAGwNduQaAq2LMLuklJBe2qwjfTbNCVjPrhv9hANGAr0m95cM2U0srONP2Q97Wo5tpd vDs6pr0sxI8ly1vQYI42g2bHgKNcrUv90YddVNHUTfDrdkQxYwpvT4wS6fgqoomm08t0Cvz5 e3sLGACsHaWBJG8KhiEukYkYYA1CE= Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.71.131 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.42]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 59d67ebd.7f6cd00f3cf0-smtp-out-n03; Thu, 05 Oct 2017 18:49:33 -0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 11:49:33 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <59d67ebda0fc1_2135b3fa61028fc44913f4@hookshot-fe-6dbb0c4.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] f0034b: Split error code space (#722) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59d67ebda0cb6_2135b3fa61028fc4491291"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 18:51:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59d67ebda0cb6_2135b3fa61028fc4491291 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: f0034b4fa1a63b657054a8fbadeea85b6bf38cea https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f0034b4fa1a63b657054a8fbadeea85b6bf38cea Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-05 (Thu, 05 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Split error code space (#722) * Split error code space This creates two orthogonal spaces for error codes. Application error codes can be used for both connection and stream errors and are under the control of the application protocol. Transport error codes are QUIC-controlled, but can only terminate the connection. To fix this, I had to add IANA considerations for error codes, plus a few extra tweaks. I think that the error code space could be narrowed to 16 bits after this, if only to keep things sane. 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You pull it off before you get to the payload. On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:47 AM, ianswett wrote: > @ekr Are you suggesting we remove PADDING from > the QUIC layer entirely? If we needed padding for ACKs, we would have the > transport request padding be sent by the crypto layer on stream 0? > > That seems really awkward given the simplicity of QUIC padding, and data > on stream 0 still counts towards congestion control, so it'd be > functionally equivalent. > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you were mentioned. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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layer. You pull it off before you get to the payload.

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I believe PADDING either needs to count for congestion control or not. = If it counts towards congestion control, then it needs to generate ACKs, be= cause otherwise it would never be removed from byte_in_flight and you could= get congestion blocked.

I would be concerned about not counting padding towards bytes in flight.= As mentioned before, the only reason ACK only packets are excluded is to = avoid the connection from stalling.

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Are you worried that someone may accidentally add 1KB of padding (because they want all of their packets to be same-sized, for example)? If so, it is especially as important NOT to ACK PADDING (because you can have the always-pad implementation on both sides of the connection). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/838#issuecomment-334566550 ----==_mimepart_59d686a4233b2_5b873fc4d967ef347536 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@ianswett= , why are you worried about not counting PADDING for congestion control= ? Are you worried that someone may accidentally add 1KB of padding (becaus= e they want all of their packets to be same-sized, for example)? If so, it= is especially as important NOT to ACK PADDING (because you can have the al= ways-pad implementation on both sides of the connection).

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(#829) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59d695b721e3c_e7b3f7dfd332f382678a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 20:27:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59d695b721e3c_e7b3f7dfd332f382678a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @huitema > I am concerned that this creates a big special case. If I have to accept a clear text ACK for the Finished message, I need to keep track of the packet numbers that can be ACKed with that message -- ACKing 1RTT data would be wrong. That's a very big wart in the code. We cannot use the timing at which we finish TLS handshake as a moment to switch from ACK over cleartext to ACK over protected packets, considering the fact that 0-RTT packets need to be ACKed using protected packets, and that 0-RTT packets and cleartext packets can be sent in mixed order. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/829#issuecomment-334582398 ----==_mimepart_59d695b721e3c_e7b3f7dfd332f382678a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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I am concerned that this creates a big special case. If I have to acce= pt a clear text ACK for the Finished message, I need to keep track of the= packet numbers that can be ACKed with that message -- ACKing 1RTT data w= ould be wrong. That's a very big wart in the code.

We cannot use the timing at which we finish TLS handshake as a moment = to switch from ACK over cleartext to ACK over protected packets, consider= ing the fact that 0-RTT packets need to be ACKed using protected packets,= and that 0-RTT packets and cleartext packets can be sent in mixed order.=

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----==_mimepart_59d6a2f799441_35b63f9bffae8f2855680-- From nobody Thu Oct 5 14:56:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40FBB132076 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 14:56:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.474 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.474 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 53V6IgRBTMow for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 14:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC86D126B7E for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 14:56:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 14:56:02 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507240562; bh=tan7NjFNs123l1yS3TAWJkjArhkllfggefvFJMW1fio=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=OLcADMzXMfbENnrD5MfjHgvQOr2GWqD3rW2Y7JGiv5p9OiGuCWA5fKbvJtDubZq2W WHqQwop1eYyFrpsMA3o9+F6AX8kGGJSRbi5HkdyTEHyvdDPASyDvrSzlI/lurw8VZQ lIyftCBgSlexb6jDa4kAXGiAnT7+IUIZfPpL2H0U= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Mandate max_early_data in NewSessionTicket (#839) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59d6aa727678_15ab3fa5f105cf2c306cc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 21:56:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59d6aa727678_15ab3fa5f105cf2c306cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We should ensure that we advertise this value so that generic TLS stacks will properly recognize that 0-RTT is possible. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/839 ----==_mimepart_59d6aa727678_15ab3fa5f105cf2c306cc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

We should ensure that we advertise this value so that generic TLS stacks will properly recognize that 0-RTT is possible.

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My number one concern is that if PADDING counts for congestion control, = it must be acked. If it does not count for congestion control, it should n= ot be acked.

I lean towards making PADDING count, because I'd prefer to keep the ACK_= FRAME as the only exception.

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Removes timestamps from the transport draft. Closes #698 at least for now.

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c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=H4yu2KBW3i0DmHYysEVpYisQDQk=; b=q9etGCKoQZbPuc0h FryHpdWUHrQKsfY2FJ8wczdBq7Bh4jwkqQEkzGTQN9mfYnJ0LW908n4bYSysOT5N PKKhcMk8zpyMkFpLTRtWk46IpYvYvgpywjQtWPdlggEswxrDinFONuE9+oSBkIz1 S6GYL2tDaSXP8xfn+QWN+nJeiTU= Received: by filter0022p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0022p1iad2-31656-59D7A2D6-2F 2017-10-06 15:35:50.675324441 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0011p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id sZY74LF4RyWwbJoZehYM1w for ; Fri, 06 Oct 2017 15:35:50.691 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 15:35:50 +0000 (UTC) From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stateless Reset Format is hard to implement (#820) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59d7a2d669720_64ff3fd800930f2c365a0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2RmLC9H5Zof5ZUca6FPDzqn7tmtO/gNW5Wsb MS6wiRn7a+K79MQLV4J+CBLdByw+mmHaFwWedRcRO7ylMcHQpRamLic9AofnUYQFm8zFVnKcSOqmh+ Skm+UYQRqj6gQ3LZtfu3zZwW8md1IQSTo1HoiuOmDRFpMM7G33i3HZ7byUcWpPvxao4lVAGA4inOU3 4= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 15:35:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59d7a2d669720_64ff3fd800930f2c365a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't see a problem with moving the data to the end, but it won't solve the implementation issues. 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I don't see a problem with moving the data to the end, but it won't solv= e the implementation issues. The problem is that the sequence number is unp= redictable, so there is a 50% chance that the randomly chosen sequence num= ber picked by the server will be considered a reply by the client.

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= ----==_mimepart_59d7a2d669720_64ff3fd800930f2c365a0-- From nobody Fri Oct 6 08:44:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48CE0133071 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 08:44:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UuTweIVftBeS for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 08:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D22DC132D17 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 08:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 08:44:13 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507304653; bh=VYY1SULZT71t1jbfScuMJQojCYPRIyWQSfVAdbM0mEE=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=E7Fam8MC/qa2rygAoVe4SZLDbuPx25hp1p0BP2IEza3esrxINzJC+lIfkLlqNd98O evJc6wUrYmlbtL9OcASzSFaRSP+6X42GTI4RNyoWiGuLQdYsmeVsfomx4dlyRS1HZq 8MGiSzlm22O5Q4Ow/71M6urldLYL4gr24oKsf3ok= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Padding ACK-only packets (#837) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59d7a4cdd4bde_145c23f928a238f28767a0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 15:44:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59d7a4cdd4bde_145c23f928a238f28767a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I do not like the concept that ACKs do not count for bytes in flight. With 255 ranges, ACKs can be almost 800 bytes long, and it is certainly possible to congest a link with just ACK. I understand that we want to be able to send ACK even when blocked by CC, but that does not mean an infinite number of ACK. I would prefer something like extra credits for ACK when blocked by CC, in a controlled way. I like even less the idea that adding padding to a packet will make acknowledgements mandatory. And the congestion control argument requires counting padding for CC -- whether included at the framing layer or the AEAD layer. Otherwise, you can send lots of bytes that don't count for CC, and indeed congest the link. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/837#issuecomment-334792906 ----==_mimepart_59d7a4cdd4bde_145c23f928a238f28767a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I do not like the concept that ACKs do not count for bytes in flight. = With 255 ranges, ACKs can be almost 800 bytes long, and it is certainly p= ossible to congest a link with just ACK. I understand that we want to be = able to send ACK even when blocked by CC, but that does not mean an infin= ite number of ACK. I would prefer something like extra credits for ACK wh= en blocked by CC, in a controlled way.

I like even less the idea that adding padding to a packet will make ac= knowledgements mandatory.

And the congestion control argument requires counting padding for CC -= - whether included at the framing layer or the AEAD layer. Otherwise, you= can send lots of bytes that don't count for CC, and indeed congest the l= ink.

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@kazuho= You wrote:

ACK for the cleartext packet that carried ClientFinished was sent in a c= leartext packet that carried
ServerFinished.

That's not what I see in the logs. I see:

-> Client initial (carries client hello)
<- Server Clear Text (several message carry server flight, including ser= ver finished. Message embed
ACK of Client Initial
-> Client clear text: carries client finished, and ACK of server clear t= ext messages
<- Server Clear Text: only carries an ACK Frame for the client clear tex= t.

When the server sends the last server clear text message, it has already= received the client clear text, since it acknowledges it. According to Ian= 's presentation of "ACK rules", ACKing a message means that the message was= not just received but also processed -- which logically means processing t= he TLS state machine. I don't see what advantage there is to sending that l= ast acknowledgement in clear text.

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= ----==_mimepart_59d7a97b9b2cd_b60e3fda81bbef2c238b5-- From nobody Fri Oct 6 09:07:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C9881349FC for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 09:07:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S3ueoPEsvRu7 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 09:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EEB681349FA for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 09:07:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=fVlKNTNWfAcEqlajErmeAqbWhss=; b=mEbANZS5eWyqCnOV dqWDmHbyWpRmAVTJgFjZH5UPSz1uIBdCCPBkcu6oEEcDUcLqJQ0hsw9OmsXviM9Z rBpIfL6p2mc6slWHcYZ66z/ipYYNa0TSTYUp8AvM04DYfsTS/bwFH95zPb1Th1i5 X0CCB0iv3mWjNTO6wPdGWjcfBM4= Received: by filter0531p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0531p1mdw1-7105-59D7AA29-9 2017-10-06 16:07:05.535900351 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id uXhb-xHoS5-rPOg5KrImgQ for ; Fri, 06 Oct 2017 16:07:05.488 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 16:07:05 +0000 (UTC) From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stateless Reset Format is hard to implement (#820) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59d7aa295324a_34e03f92fe8d8f301797e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0YewLvxV3EchMpYydyaKC0EwyM+169llDtjd /jJBnL3S1XTtAVeQIFsJOxdMwrBG9Q81chsX2mC/XEEaTNNTnFc+REi5hiGFBzAwJ6xCmvdVgdlww2 6N0VonijKFlh9ESNevpv+AOitnhNwRZhytPd6mJLc5QmiqbfqOHdhcDoqw== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 16:07:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59d7aa295324a_34e03f92fe8d8f301797e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Correct. You need to check for SR if either replay or AEAD fail On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:35 AM, Christian Huitema wrote: > I don't see a problem with moving the data to the end, but it won't solve > the implementation issues. The problem is that the sequence number is > unpredictable, so there is a 50% chance that the randomly chosen sequence > number picked by the server will be considered a reply by the client. > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you authored the thread. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/820#issuecomment-334799215= ----==_mimepart_59d7aa295324a_34e03f92fe8d8f301797e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Correct. You need to check for SR if either replay or AEAD fail

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I lean towards making PADDING count, because I'd prefer to keep the ACK_= FRAME as the only exception.

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A suggestion from yesterday's lunch (I believe from @martinduke ) Was to allow= a 'small' ack not be congestion controlled(ie: 3 blocks) to ensure forward= progress, but require everything else to be. A different option we discus= sed was count acks towards congestion control/bytes in flight, but don't pr= event them from being sent immediately.

I think Ack congestion control is still a fairly open problem, so I thin= k we'd need to try some of these ideas in the wild if we think they're wort= h seriously considering for QUIC.

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As it stands now, I think we should get rid of one. But given #837 is also open, I think i= t makes sense to reach some consensus on what we want the behavior of paddi= ng(and ACKs) to be before changing anything in the spec?

If I have time, I'll try to write up an email summarizing the issue and = send it to the mailing list.

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a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=ULBiI+i5gX02auM/J38/Dc7oaZc=; b=H7ZMOZq4mfyxwfdb yGPDBjDhaEAh9nj7kg9dL2+9vEdM7YioxSa1RKHWhNSVv+/PkSXJaDMIm6TaG8Yw kfbdK0SXY92p52OUKAXuIbvVE7wRr1zcapFoVtCN7hVB4YLPCNr1BvSALKZ18jOA 6QWXXbnTRO+XiPSZV4TfPP0LNKM= Received: by filter0829p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0829p1mdw1-22154-59D7F096-3A 2017-10-06 21:07:34.633992689 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0007p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id FWX0o2jNQ2OQHc0JGR1yQQ for ; Fri, 06 Oct 2017 21:07:34.641 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 21:07:34 +0000 (UTC) From: jpinner-lyft Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Version negotiation responses and FNV-1a protection (#840) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59d7f09683b4d_6a493fd0e39e4f28601f3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: jpinner-lyft X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3Aib+Lz0O9YzLqUoKoVY/6v49B/Oovtzu4xw HO46/x7Z7zyxihHmBRwbxX9e02xJO7Lc7MAz3j0ATbCB9AF7WnfcsYAUAx7myyKSES8rMDSQdv3/D1 tKy2Cn+y9UmgUgnoz6wWGViLwhogBXeK5aJ7qCxWZrRoYgZtYbwl8q6oioUx2nECDVcFyrjFciJnDG A= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 21:08:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59d7f09683b4d_6a493fd0e39e4f28601f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not saying that this couldn't be more clear in the spec; however, Sec. 5.3 defines the version negotiation packet and Sec 5.4 defines the "cleartext" packets and list the requirement for including an integrity check. Subsections 5.4.1 through 5.4.4 then define the four "cleartext" packets. Again I agree that the fact that the spec defines "cleartext packets" as not all packets that are not encrypted is confusing. Does this become moot point if FNV-1a is replaced with an AEAD cipher? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/840#issuecomment-334870474 ----==_mimepart_59d7f09683b4d_6a493fd0e39e4f28601f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Not saying that this couldn't be more clear in the spec; however, Sec. 5= .3 defines the version negotiation packet and Sec 5.4 defines the "cleartex= t" packets and list the requirement for including an integrity check. Subse= ctions 5.4.1 through 5.4.4 then define the four "cleartext" packets.

Again I agree that the fact that the spec defines "cleartext packets" as= not all packets that are not encrypted is confusing.

Does this become moot point if FNV-1a is replaced with an AEAD cipher?

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= ----==_mimepart_59d7f09683b4d_6a493fd0e39e4f28601f3-- From nobody Fri Oct 6 15:17:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01BCE1330B0 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 15:17:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.018 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.018 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gi_GXQWwho-H for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 15:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext8.iad.github.net [192.30.252.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 68948133090 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 15:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 15:17:08 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507328228; bh=xwJsQwcquJyrUXdAOvAJVoagAg+nnwGhu6ZoSILWxFY=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=WV5iC2IpWxd2LQS7dnSepMdDc/+pCxKbFDhOYdeLWHyau/0ScpAlIEGxI8ia7ZMIs 8yHmJGtSANt26+E3jK4tUAVfNitgAlFq8ZrxkLgXBSLDct4U17/kba3uvW6T/+SZOb NzghhHr/JvVvEIbE7t0rsx5IULqq2I5iwzWrZGvA= From: dkg Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify PADDING vs PING frames (#838) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59d800e44f200_55723fc23de64f301016fc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dkg X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 22:17:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59d800e44f200_55723fc23de64f301016fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I lean in the direction of making PADDING not count (and not require an ACK), because i'd like both sides to be able to pad packets that would otherwise be ACK-only without inducing a feedback loop. That would distinguish PADDING from PING as well. Another alternative (voiced by @ekr at the interim, possibly facetiously) was to allow/encourage the use of ACK frames as padding in general. Or, we could allow ACK frames to be arbitrarily large, which would let us use them both as ACK and as PADDING -- that would also let us get rid of PADDING. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/838#issuecomment-334883289 ----==_mimepart_59d800e44f200_55723fc23de64f301016fc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I lean in the direction of making PADDING not count (and not require a= n ACK), because i'd like both sides to be able to pad packets that would = otherwise be ACK-only without inducing a feedback loop.

That would distinguish PADDING from PING as well.

Another alternative (voiced by @ekr at the interim, possibly facetiously) was to = allow/encourage the use of ACK frames as padding in general.

Or, we could allow ACK frames to be arbitrarily large, which would let= us use them both as ACK and as PADDING -- that would also let us get rid= of PADDING.

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= ----==_mimepart_59d800e44f200_55723fc23de64f301016fc-- From nobody Fri Oct 6 15:48:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36ABF1330B0 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 15:48:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.615 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.615 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TXhYC2TCNgJ4 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 15:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext8.iad.github.net [192.30.252.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7E92132F7C for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 15:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 15:48:37 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507330117; bh=Ahvf5eiv61XP1J9aPFYLm0mO57mPa3ALJayCzGVjVBY=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=jDqAdaJoewN8vjMo1xc0din89hAHi/JKhTOccm5DtHDTCpws/NrzggYn4T3NnBE4Q gNVGkWicFCAdk0nssUQmsGSgbDkAn9MoEzJ+VrKu+L4cMx1heQC/hPypex02FDKMg0 3jgCQLEj3Sr5nD4uKl/dICqpAYMbZfoS9UlA2TdA= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify PADDING vs PING frames (#838) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59d80845cf3d3_2d353fa47393ef348679d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 22:48:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59d80845cf3d3_2d353fa47393ef348679d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd like to keep PADDING distinct from ACK, for applications where ACK is harder to do (i.e. unidirectional flows). Unless I'm misunderstanding and the suggestion is to send ACK for padding when it is not really acking anything. As to PING vs PADDING, I think I remember some old text, where PING solicited a response PING (aka PONG). That could make it distinct from PADDING but the current text doesn't include that concept. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/838#issuecomment-334887739 ----==_mimepart_59d80845cf3d3_2d353fa47393ef348679d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'd like to keep PADDING distinct from ACK, for applications where ACK= is harder to do (i.e. unidirectional flows). Unless I'm misunderstanding= and the suggestion is to send ACK for padding when it is not really acki= ng anything.

As to PING vs PADDING, I think I remember some old text, where PING so= licited a response PING (aka PONG). That could make it distinct from PADD= ING but the current text doesn't include that concept.

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ACK as PADDING may be technically possible, but I would hate us doing = so. First, it is a hack for which there is no good reason (we have enough= frame numbers). Second, it is marginally more expensive to process an AC= K frame than to skip a PADDING frame.

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= ----==_mimepart_59d824247d1e_23923fb898314f303704c-- From nobody Sat Oct 7 07:37:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B23451329F9 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2017 07:36:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gTPiLoZ0EztU for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2017 07:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65DFB1345FC for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2017 07:36:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=/g8BnnoOkONOrW28ZqYnlhOuFv4=; b=bP7wjpudlA140DK6 Pu6HrVTIfbkkcA7znwySmIxS3j5oU9TZ8jJrkJZNReAPBnIBrO3KSx2BIGvG7C3K lXHFAmiZW7fbmNv99wVAqghB8myFMmz6Rpvwv/BLpSUvkdGm8mTNtR2SutQWTnzu BRIaL5VFP4FXH1pY8iSOyAY+/1U= Received: by filter1087p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1087p1mdw1-17755-59D8E687-29 2017-10-07 14:36:55.626680165 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id q5G5ZCjtRaCDop4WGzLfVw for ; Sat, 07 Oct 2017 14:36:55.571 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2017 14:36:55 +0000 (UTC) From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Packet number skipping and entropy (#305) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59d8e68772c0d_211a3fa3bf158f2c48982"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2Q15HI6OzDWEmNepqP2DbvrQqSyNap35hhr4 uAbGRaa19EERu4edfdI8HKAVqJyItmBVdtJ1UR4R+Yh/WYS7fmF2I3CzP6H0MxqmpTlpJCpXFaP1dV wxYFpU7wRgLjpMyZ57QlUmJlvf3gBFWGm0tN/YsK9nVYbLeuxSez5Q1tX985UwTycMD/bbmaAwbdkx 8= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2017 14:36:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59d8e68772c0d_211a3fa3bf158f2c48982 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What is the status on packet number gaps? The current editorial states: > There are two possible mitigations to this attack. The simplest one is that a server can unilaterally create a gap in packet-number space. In the non-attack scenario, the client will send an ACK frame with the larger value for largest acknowledged. In the attack scenario, the attacker could acknowledge a packet in the gap. If the server sees an acknowledgment for a packet that was never sent, the connection can be aborted. But do we still want this, or should there be recommendation to keep packet number gaps as small as possible, or within some limit (someone will argue something about block allocations for concurrent transmission subsystems). Decision on packet number gaps affects both gaps in ongoing ack framing discussion and also choice of data structure in implementations. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/305#issuecomment-334939380 ----==_mimepart_59d8e68772c0d_211a3fa3bf158f2c48982 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What is the status on packet number gaps? The current editorial states:<= /p>

There are two possible mitigations to this attack. The simplest one is t= hat a server can unilaterally create a gap in packet-number space. In the n= on-attack scenario, the client will send an ACK frame with the larger value= for largest acknowledged. In the attack scenario, the attacker could ackno= wledge a packet in the gap. If the server sees an acknowledgment for a pack= et that was never sent, the connection can be aborted.

But do we still want this, or should there be recommendation to keep pac= ket number gaps as small as possible, or within some limit (someone will ar= gue something about block allocations for concurrent transmission subsystem= s).

Decision on packet number gaps affects both gaps in ongoing ack framing = discussion and also choice of data structure in implementations.

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Could @ekr in the process also add some text that makes it clear(er) that Stateless Reset and Version Negotiation are special? See #840.

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I share Christian's unease, and would prefer if we could take a seriou= s look at the two options that @ianswett identified. I like the combination: e= xempt packets from the block, but only if they a) contain ACK frames, and= b) are small.

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This seems generally fine. comments below > A server copies the connection ID field from the packet that triggers the stateless reset. A server omits the connection ID if explicitly configured to do so, or if the client packet did not include a connection ID. +The Packet Number field is set to a randomized value. This packet SHOULD use Nit: I would say "The server SHOULD use..." > A server copies the connection ID field from the packet that triggers the stateless reset. A server omits the connection ID if explicitly configured to do so, or if the client packet did not include a connection ID. +The Packet Number field is set to a randomized value. This packet SHOULD use +the short header form with the shortest possible packet number encoding. This I think I would phrase this as "the packet type should be X, which represents the shortest packet encoding", because you aren't allowed to use long format under any conditions. > @@ -1595,11 +1600,11 @@ CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame if it has sufficient state to do so. #### Detecting a Stateless Reset A client detects a potential stateless reset when a packet with a short header -cannot be decrypted. The client then performs a constant-time comparison of the -16 octets that follow the Connection ID with the Stateless Reset Token provided -by the server in its transport parameters. If this comparison is successful, -the connection MUST be terminated immediately. Otherwise, the packet can be -discarded. +either cannot be decrypted or is marked as a potential duplicate. The client +then performs a constant-time comparison of the last 16 octets of the packet +with the Stateless Reset Token provided by the server in its transport +parameters. 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@ekr approved this pull request.

This seems generally fine. comments below

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  A server copies the connection ID field from the packet that triggers the
 stateless reset.  A server omits the connection ID if explicitly configured to
 do so, or if the client packet did not include a connection ID.
 
+The Packet Number field is set to a randomized value.  This packet SHOULD use

Nit: I would say "The server SHOULD use..."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  A server copies the connection ID field from the packet that triggers the
 stateless reset.  A server omits the connection ID if explicitly configured to
 do so, or if the client packet did not include a connection ID.
 
+The Packet Number field is set to a randomized value.  This packet SHOULD use
+the short header form with the shortest possible packet number encoding.  This

I think I would phrase this as "the packet type should be X, which represents the shortest packet encoding", because you aren't allowed to use long format under any conditions.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1595,11 +1600,11 @@ CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame if it has sufficient state to do so.
 #### Detecting a Stateless Reset
 
 A client detects a potential stateless reset when a packet with a short header
-cannot be decrypted.  The client then performs a constant-time comparison of the
-16 octets that follow the Connection ID with the Stateless Reset Token provided
-by the server in its transport parameters.  If this comparison is successful,
-the connection MUST be terminated immediately.  Otherwise, the packet can be
-discarded.
+either cannot be decrypted or is marked as a potential duplicate.  The client
+then performs a constant-time comparison of the last 16 octets of the packet
+with the Stateless Reset Token provided by the server in its transport
+parameters.  If this comparison is successful, the connection MUST be terminated

Can you say what "terminated" means? Is it the same as having received CONNECTION_CLOSE?

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= ----==_mimepart_59db02e61e6b5_101333fd008b3cf2851990-- From nobody Sun Oct 8 22:56:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600C3133055 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 22:56:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GoVaU0JY3cit for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 22:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 152DF132076 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 22:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2017 22:56:52 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507528612; bh=DSxHAzkVfic23Ncb63WNHNIDB6IK+ldfjn2kX67jlHQ=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=jJvhstVLJEqdRerjia570neD8u5DwoD2we79v5vF3NyRFOIiheTT7S0g0VNgxa7cS wP7jBSGZE4N5y/GhSG8qW1GVc6GO9Tos8Gm1sktbt4Kp2hH/6FBEOes0Y88SWl02/b pI9dp4lPMy9m2i6TAd+D/4GWyFhEex0D/IaxD0WE= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Define requirements for handling packets (#724) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59db0fa42181d_5af33fec0e56ef343246d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 05:56:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59db0fa42181d_5af33fec0e56ef343246d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > +packets for connections that have incomplete cryptographic handshakes are +associated using the tuple of source and destination IP addresses and ports. + +A packet that uses the short header form could be associated with an existing +connection with an incomplete cryptographic handshake. Such a packet could be a +valid packet that has been reordered with respect to the long-form packets that +will complete the cryptographic handshake. These packets SHOULD be buffered in +anticipation of the handshake completing. + +Buffering ensures that data is not lost, which improves performance; conversely, +discarding these packets could create false loss signals for the congestion +controllers. However, limiting the number and size of buffered packets might be +needed to prevent exposure to denial of service. + +For clients, all packets that cannot be associated with an existing connection +MUST be discarded. Discarded packets MAY be logged for diagnostic or security I have revised this so that it allows for the case of buffering. > If the packet contains a version that is acceptable to the server, the server proceeds with the handshake ({{handshake}}). This commits the server to the version that the client selected. -When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet from the server, it should -select an acceptable protocol version. If the server lists an acceptable -version, the client selects that version and reattempts to create a connection -using that version. Though the contents of a packet might not change in + +### Sending and Handling Version Negotiation Packets {#send-vn} + +If the version selected by the client is not acceptable to the server, the I like the section breaks. In fact, so much that I would like to add another. The text is cleanly split into "what the server does" and "what the client does", so I would like to take advantage of that. > If the packet contains a version that is acceptable to the server, the server proceeds with the handshake ({{handshake}}). This commits the server to the version that the client selected. -When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet from the server, it should -select an acceptable protocol version. If the server lists an acceptable -version, the client selects that version and reattempts to create a connection -using that version. Though the contents of a packet might not change in + +### Sending and Handling Version Negotiation Packets {#send-vn} + +If the version selected by the client is not acceptable to the server, the +server responds with a Version Negotiation packet ({{packet-version}}). This +includes a list of versions that the server will accept. + +A server sends a Version Negotiation packet for any packet with an unaccepable +version if that packet could create a new connection. This allows a server to The text (that this should have referred to) boils down to almost exactly what you describe, but with a little more nuance. "Might have created a connection" is defined further up (in this self-same PR), but I neglected to cross-reference it properly. In short, the condition is expanded to include one more check: that the packet is big enough to generate a new connection on any version that the server supports. This means that if you are doing 0-RTT, then you might get a Version Negotiation packet only in response to the Client Initial and any 0-RTT packet that is large enough. This avoids the server sending Version Negotiation in response to smaller packets (and thereby acting as an amplifier). > + +## Matching Packets to Connections + +Incoming packets are classified on receipt. Packets can either be associated +with an existing connection, be discarded, or - for servers - potentially create +a new connection. + +A packet that can be identified as belonging to an existing connection is +handled according to the current state of that connection. Packets are +associated with existing connections using connection ID if it is present; this +might include connection IDs that were advertised using NEW_CONNECTION_ID +({{frame-new-connection-id}}). Packets without connection IDs and long-form +packets for connections that have incomplete cryptographic handshakes are +associated using the tuple of source and destination IP addresses and ports. + +A packet that uses the short header form could be associated with an existing Actually, it is correct, but it wasn't clear what it was referring to. It refers to the long-form packets and short-form headers sent by the server as it completes the handshake. It sends a long header for the handshake, then short headers for packets that follow that. The packets with a short header can arrive before the packet containing the handshake. I will expand on this a little. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +packets for connections that have incomplete cryptographic handshakes are
+associated using the tuple of source and destination IP addresses and ports.
+
+A packet that uses the short header form could be associated with an existing
+connection with an incomplete cryptographic handshake.  Such a packet could be a
+valid packet that has been reordered with respect to the long-form packets that
+will complete the cryptographic handshake.  These packets SHOULD be buffered in
+anticipation of the handshake completing.
+
+Buffering ensures that data is not lost, which improves performance; conversely,
+discarding these packets could create false loss signals for the congestion
+controllers.  However, limiting the number and size of buffered packets might be
+needed to prevent exposure to denial of service.
+
+For clients, all packets that cannot be associated with an existing connection
+MUST be discarded.  Discarded packets MAY be logged for diagnostic or security

I have revised this so that it allows for the case of buffering.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 If the packet contains a version that is acceptable to the server, the server
 proceeds with the handshake ({{handshake}}).  This commits the server to the
 version that the client selected.
 
-When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet from the server, it should
-select an acceptable protocol version.  If the server lists an acceptable
-version, the client selects that version and reattempts to create a connection
-using that version.  Though the contents of a packet might not change in
+
+### Sending and Handling Version Negotiation Packets {#send-vn}
+
+If the version selected by the client is not acceptable to the server, the

I like the section breaks. In fact, so much that I would like to add another. The text is cleanly split into "what the server does" and "what the client does", so I would like to take advantage of that.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 If the packet contains a version that is acceptable to the server, the server
 proceeds with the handshake ({{handshake}}).  This commits the server to the
 version that the client selected.
 
-When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet from the server, it should
-select an acceptable protocol version.  If the server lists an acceptable
-version, the client selects that version and reattempts to create a connection
-using that version.  Though the contents of a packet might not change in
+
+### Sending and Handling Version Negotiation Packets {#send-vn}
+
+If the version selected by the client is not acceptable to the server, the
+server responds with a Version Negotiation packet ({{packet-version}}).  This
+includes a list of versions that the server will accept.
+
+A server sends a Version Negotiation packet for any packet with an unaccepable
+version if that packet could create a new connection.  This allows a server to

The text (that this should have referred to) boils down to almost exactly what you describe, but with a little more nuance. "Might have created a connection" is defined further up (in this self-same PR), but I neglected to cross-reference it properly.

In short, the condition is expanded to include one more check: that the packet is big enough to generate a new connection on any version that the server supports. This means that if you are doing 0-RTT, then you might get a Version Negotiation packet only in response to the Client Initial and any 0-RTT packet that is large enough. This avoids the server sending Version Negotiation in response to smaller packets (and thereby acting as an amplifier).

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+## Matching Packets to Connections
+
+Incoming packets are classified on receipt.  Packets can either be associated
+with an existing connection, be discarded, or - for servers - potentially create
+a new connection.
+
+A packet that can be identified as belonging to an existing connection is
+handled according to the current state of that connection.  Packets are
+associated with existing connections using connection ID if it is present; this
+might include connection IDs that were advertised using NEW_CONNECTION_ID
+({{frame-new-connection-id}}).  Packets without connection IDs and long-form
+packets for connections that have incomplete cryptographic handshakes are
+associated using the tuple of source and destination IP addresses and ports.
+
+A packet that uses the short header form could be associated with an existing

Actually, it is correct, but it wasn't clear what it was referring to. It refers to the long-form packets and short-form headers sent by the server as it completes the handshake. It sends a long header for the handshake, then short headers for packets that follow that. The packets with a short header can arrive before the packet containing the handshake.

I will expand on this a little.

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----==_mimepart_59db0fa42181d_5af33fec0e56ef343246d-- From nobody Sun Oct 8 22:57:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7AFB13455A for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 22:57:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pXsRUqSBJ-N0 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 22:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m71-131.mailgun.net (m71-131.mailgun.net [166.78.71.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74CF1133023 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 22:57:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1507528621; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=ozgKOwmq/stc/iRWlcaFYH3XqtWGAF4/6+0a1+ZrObM=; b=n1QEuHxnXQRxx3EXS/qv1xDVkYdXIRVa6XasITLL2icV8qZdXxNDZ5yCMEUhCm8JB08Hd72b +/wTO1VvgC9sMk6GEyCtrLGx5T+XqfnHM7+Pq1p1eW2oh5YXfm6kKxBe6u0hPGnzxabOhNk5 XymqRrwBA/bOFlRNNeq4NJonE8c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IGI69ixYDCJcyegEzb6UudBHuQ4zELdKEDFj31lVoL9aWL6Vte19WYNo8jvfQZEvmhcpQu +qYosMEXTiuoLASXAcPlFy3Y1kvQckTNNMZTwIJJNYTcH2bn5Px62Y5nNse47P5q5tuhHbgk kx2ANs3lrJ2chZiefJbpfJrG/Z/j4= Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.71.131 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.35]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 59db0fad.7f4f7c4a1f00-smtp-out-n03; Mon, 09 Oct 2017 05:57:01 -0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2017 22:57:00 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <59db0fac26dde_207b3fd1c89a1c2489371@hookshot-fe-92cdb05.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 7e5281: Define requirements for handling packets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59db0fac26a9c_207b3fd1c89a1c24892b4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 05:57:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59db0fac26a9c_207b3fd1c89a1c24892b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/packet-handling Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 7e5281bf1ca9c2b99146076fbc0182954c0cc826 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7e5281bf1ca9c2b99146076fbc0182954c0cc826 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-09 (Mon, 09 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Define requirements for handling packets We never really said how to handle incoming packets. This adds a section on that. This was originally motivated by #570, where the rules for what to generate a Version Negotiation packet for were a little unclear. Now though, this is a far more comprehensive description of what to do with a packet that is received. For #570, I've chosen to limit packet size. If the packet is too small, then this requires the server to drop the packet. In response to the potential for a future version of QUIC to define a smaller initial packet (@mikkelfj raised this point), I've included advice on what might be done to avoid having packets discarded. I realize that we don't have a patch that sets the packet size to 1200. I'm going to write that one now. This depends on that. Commit: de2821f4d104a10e773c475aee7df2e52d013d6a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/de2821f4d104a10e773c475aee7df2e52d013d6a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-09 (Mon, 09 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Review comments Commit: 0d0f98d5a0d0d9f467b94555c718d555f737050e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0d0f98d5a0d0d9f467b94555c718d555f737050e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-09 (Mon, 09 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Capitalize Client Initial Commit: a9c6512c8f8adf2f0396272b59a8d7e5c247d1e9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a9c6512c8f8adf2f0396272b59a8d7e5c247d1e9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-09 (Mon, 09 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Expand more on the need for bufferring Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/f46a09d148ed...a9c6512c8f8a ----==_mimepart_59db0fac26a9c_207b3fd1c89a1c24892b4-- From nobody Sun Oct 8 23:35:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A3013496A for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 23:35:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.396 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.396 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z3OKliQdLdQw for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 23:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EFCFF13292F for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 23:35:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2017 23:35:31 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507530931; bh=Hs4VusKemcaxnUTMlEhj/NLm7cGhTEwZL1w41BKo5SQ=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LGkJz/76ApfDCIWKpIbHUBVfgQUBeBmE4J7nXBbHenSc39Lh0ysEiBKVPKbqfjNj+ Wsp7HeJBWwOaOrP5EdOY1ZPNRY2+NS2KFbsbxkOiV+gT60EIyCkttDgc41ujTZ7K+A EOleSKuZEaODd5UpOFL1aZH9LI6KNqbchtRuj7xo= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection ID is not a number (#834) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59db18b319350_2fbd3ff834998f38713ef"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 06:35:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59db18b319350_2fbd3ff834998f38713ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, I still disagree. Patrick's point about logging might be valid (assuming that we do indeed have confusion there), by adding a recommendation that the value that should be logged is the hex of the bytes that appear on the wire. That's a much smaller problem though. BTW, numbers have mathematical operations applied to them. Or they need to be described in terms of numbers (like version, where we define version 1 and need to know where the bit is set). This doesn't meet either test. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/834#issuecomment-335075327 ----==_mimepart_59db18b319350_2fbd3ff834998f38713ef Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

OK, I still disagree. Patrick's point about logging might be valid (a= ssuming that we do indeed have confusion there), by adding a recommendati= on that the value that should be logged is the hex of the bytes that appe= ar on the wire. That's a much smaller problem though.

BTW, numbers have mathematical operations applied to them. Or they ne= ed to be described in terms of numbers (like version, where we define ver= sion 1 and need to know where the bit is set). This doesn't meet either = test.

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= ----==_mimepart_59db18b319350_2fbd3ff834998f38713ef-- From nobody Sun Oct 8 23:36:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0E5713497D for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 23:36:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ys-EaJV6ovrs for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 23:36:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E5E913292F for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 23:36:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=2VqsuXW9SLK20rkqt905OemMF8c=; b=fU4+fv7IOPgJ+YmE UyFYtmABCLApb+l6pNv79gfQOxiHoeV1wT2oVXM52lv6rETWfF8/mj7LaLngLaFR /G3L23a7dZ7QsOjmiccxy5suy6gNMaI65reRIGA1nNq3CwutQ5QqLrdhwvlC8xCX 13VIIdFeIxHMN9totW3k4eok/Ns= Received: by filter0494p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0494p1mdw1-24878-59DB18D1-12 2017-10-09 06:36:01.416017258 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id _2bE-_bPQoailfb4-KYdbg for ; Mon, 09 Oct 2017 06:36:01.406 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 06:36:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Adds substantive descriptions of loss detection mechanisms (#801) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59db18d14eb33_49dd3fde3c04cf2c21582"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1kuHlL9jFuZnOvXeTMstmPcAVGN7gwpoBkvp dAtMKOyjitiK0pBFJfYeiwh8vfXmYg+fuV8V2bmJNF03WScxDz9HRdwY4voW7ZOb1GdUHnBLWTUzAa FUYTdZtDUK20XsFmlCvdYUDNCvQjibvhzaPjuG8jxWWfsdWVlHQ5frNhvQttfjnvA6xyscmjwBnXg9 w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 06:36:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59db18d14eb33_49dd3fde3c04cf2c21582 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can't work out what circle is complaining about here. Can you rebase this branch and push again? It might be easier to see any problem with the new CI setup. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/801#issuecomment-335075384 ----==_mimepart_59db18d14eb33_49dd3fde3c04cf2c21582 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I can't work out what circle is complaining about here. Can you rebase this branch and push again? It might be easier to see any problem with the new CI setup.

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----==_mimepart_59db18d14eb33_49dd3fde3c04cf2c21582-- From nobody Sun Oct 8 23:57:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5E21349B3 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 23:57:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vs4a0DS43RFo for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 23:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 532581349B2 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2017 23:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2017 23:57:09 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507532229; bh=b3no0lEx2ZwRGf5uym7lrTZhW3dsHszo/ykZDmZtuYY=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=0Igl9bGdGahB7KAtR36Zt/P4FnutG6Y0/mQyE5PShJy6dCpAs5RevMz8A4uPO+/qv cW8y86xxG4iuOyU1Y8OZF19+KeJoWazPsB+XXlzYPmjRRWFob/izjqp9pzXmKz4Fgq Z73ai8CEruh9JhAfWrOTtKLV2Wgyi1OpBJd5raU8= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Padding ACK-only packets (#837) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59db1dc5a83fa_484c3fd816338f2827327"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 06:57:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59db1dc5a83fa_484c3fd816338f2827327 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So what prevents a peer to send lots and lots of small ACK packets? The current form appears to be honor based, and allowing small packets without flow would continue to do so, unless there is some sort of rate limit involved. Small ACK block exception adds some level of complexity. We don't even know what is supposed to be sent in ACK frames when there is more to be sent than fits in a single frame: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/423 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/764 So what exactly is the problem that ACK flow control is supposed to solve? (Not saying it is not needed, just that it would be helpful to understand the underlying problem better). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/837#issuecomment-335077987 ----==_mimepart_59db1dc5a83fa_484c3fd816338f2827327 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So what prevents a peer to send lots and lots of small ACK packets? Th= e current form appears to be honor based, and allowing small packets with= out flow would continue to do so, unless there is some sort of rate limit= involved. Small ACK block exception adds some level of complexity.

We don't even know what is supposed to be sent in ACK frames when ther= e is more to be sent than fits in a single frame: #423 #764

So what exactly is the problem that ACK flow control is supposed to so= lve?
(Not saying it is not needed, just that it would be helpful to understand= the underlying problem better).

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -    TCP's Tail Loss Probe.
-
-  * If all else fails, a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) alarm is always set when
-    any retransmittable packet is outstanding. When this alarm fires, all
-    unacknowledged packets are marked as lost.
-
-  * Instead of a packet threshold to tolerate reordering, a QUIC sender may use
-    a time threshold. This allows for senders to be tolerant of short periods of
-    significant reordering. In this mechanism, a QUIC sender marks a packet as
-    lost when a larger packet number is acknowledged and a threshold amount of
-    time has passed since the packet was sent.
-
-  * Handshake packets, which contain STREAM frames for stream 0, are
-    critical to QUIC transport and crypto negotiation, so a separate alarm
-    period is used for them.
+QUIC uses both ack information and timeouts to detect lost packets, and this

s/acked/acknowledged/g
s/ack information/acknowledgment information/g
s/ack-based/ACK-based/g or s/ack-based/acknowledgment-based/g

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Martin and Brian's description are closer to how I intended to use CID, more like a part-GUID.

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----==_mimepart_59db35c424779_378d3fcd5ff40f3051633-- From nobody Mon Oct 9 02:57:25 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC569134455 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 02:57:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fHh7YFvOVqOw for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 02:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70141134454 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 02:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 02:57:20 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507543040; bh=UgJKBfHUX7e5fbkLAjI4ZVtlctARMkpRoa5yIXoEF5o=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=GquqZNfYAL9hpmkHtUP9nOPGUZ3vYCezxeg84XIb79r3KlTuRrzkeyhwungaHaPLN e3L/lBs4JUcrxV/zhAEqOnDHlGLFFxP5zstse+TJdYfCRawXVIZt1t4tGQjW4uDnA4 PyhyfqNtkewFd+4upQQonW4282Xx1/BGU0TZD2bg= From: mirjak Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ECN echo encoding, detailed packet level or ECN marked bytes (#805) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59db4800983c6_49203fb064698f3032779"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mirjak X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 09:57:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59db4800983c6_49203fb064698f3032779 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alternatively, one could also add ECN information per ACK block, basically saying that all packets in this block were marked with this ECN codepoint. This however only makes sense under the assumptions that most packets are marked with the same codepoint (usually ECT(0) today) and only a few packets are e.g. CE marked. In this case you probably have the same number of ACK blocks as with loss today. But I'm not sure if this assumption still holds in the future with things like L4S or if used in data centers with some congestion control similar to DCTCP. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/805#issuecomment-335113047 ----==_mimepart_59db4800983c6_49203fb064698f3032779 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Alternatively, one could also add ECN information per ACK block, basic= ally saying that all packets in this block were marked with this ECN code= point. This however only makes sense under the assumptions that most pack= ets are marked with the same codepoint (usually ECT(0) today) and only a = few packets are e.g. CE marked. In this case you probably have the same n= umber of ACK blocks as with loss today. But I'm not sure if this assumpti= on still holds in the future with things like L4S or if used in data cent= ers with some congestion control similar to DCTCP.

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= ----==_mimepart_59db4800983c6_49203fb064698f3032779-- From nobody Mon Oct 9 03:33:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8DAE1344B4 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 03:33:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id idxjAKBmBJB4 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 03:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42FEA1344AA for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 03:33:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=FcqTV/qKyGSJdnlwdohp1GLOW3g=; b=hZ0rHsbhoQ4cKNBE HG3Qz6dpwOWaNdy7Q0pjGQ5Sv8EoTjsYQdA6y5Yqr2C/8V8ySiqrxf8snXgSCzlA TgNNBn9VYVkOkUlgb+HomXb9xAyj7pxykUnraoXSeX4bBvQXBlApIYkaX7xaPSXY +hjpqhAenV+2v9kYNaWLmgdZgDo= Received: by filter0451p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0451p1mdw1-28370-59DB5082-C 2017-10-09 10:33:38.219455311 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0009p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 5KV9Dc1hSIaXOgjrdkiXXA for ; Mon, 09 Oct 2017 10:33:38.173 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 10:33:38 +0000 (UTC) From: IngJohEricsson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ECN echo encoding, detailed packet level or ECN marked bytes (#805) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59db508216963_787b3faf0d290f30795c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: IngJohEricsson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak11Fs1c85+0OHLXxdewsrCN1K8yBjdLSjACY2 RNxD8+s+UgKzBQWb/UsN0oovncCKXOXqnFzu/u4uFB4jw96snr/LTqglIXzEVczXNWCX0Kl9FwFdxQ /+RcoXnJL0t4lVhjTsoL7mzlrSEjr8LAgxFfgt1uwKzcSLV97lBuuHTSjspYkOL7RSGU+APnKfOqOf k= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 10:33:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59db508216963_787b3faf0d290f30795c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, this option was also listed in fig 2 in https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-johansson-quic-ecn-01.txt . I have done some minimal inspection of L4S ECN marking patterns with DCTCP as congestion control. If the bootleneck is configured to ECN mark packets that are queued up more than a fixed value (say 2ms) you tend to get a periodic marking pattern, which could indicate that the alternative Mirja suggests can actually work, at least with one flow. Things get more complicated with multiple flows and also with the dualQ implemenetations that are suggested by Koen De Schepper and Bob Briscoe, in which case one see more random ECN marking, also my laymans impelmentation of an ECN marker for TCP HULL exhibit a random marking pattern. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/805#issuecomment-335120312 ----==_mimepart_59db508216963_787b3faf0d290f30795c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, this option was also listed in fig 2 in https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-= johansson-quic-ecn-01.txt . I have done some minimal inspection of L4S = ECN marking patterns with DCTCP as congestion control. If the bootleneck is= configured to ECN mark packets that are queued up more than a fixed value = (say 2ms) you tend to get a periodic marking pattern, which could indicate = that the alternative Mirja suggests can actually work, at least with one fl= ow. Things get more complicated with multiple flows and also with the dualQ= implemenetations that are suggested by Koen De Schepper and Bob Briscoe, i= n which case one see more random ECN marking, also my laymans impelmentatio= n of an ECN marker for TCP HULL exhibit a random marking pattern.

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= ----==_mimepart_59db508216963_787b3faf0d290f30795c-- From nobody Mon Oct 9 03:50:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C06B132D67 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 03:50:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EGGUnq2fxzBI for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 03:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BAD213295C for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 03:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 03:50:10 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507546210; bh=2t6jCVvcOKPVELTj5YH0jTPUDWPP2cVjFCouOz7WZoU=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bhXan5gyNF2IFBh4Erol46K9ttTV8gUpsdODfClUXCUL0RiUAJPDpjyqlp79Wq0+C FrEuMokr/seOqNqP8IG30w7cPOCg6sECj3A8gbsvg3ePa1uEocwsFt1qQohu5PHoiW 3XRghPKekKE4AWoSZidViseNpmanRfdOR/+23nXg= From: IngJohEricsson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Negotiate use of timestamps in ACK frame (#774) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59db54626b8ea_289cd3fe7d44a4f388018"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: IngJohEricsson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 10:50:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59db54626b8ea_289cd3fe7d44a4f388018 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have found ACK timestamps quite useful, these makes it possible to implement LEDBAT style congestion controls, which we believe can be useful for e.g. low priority transport in wireless access. It is however not strictly necessary to have a timestamp for each and every packet in the ACKs. In addition I don't see either that a floating point representation is necessary. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/774#issuecomment-335123546 ----==_mimepart_59db54626b8ea_289cd3fe7d44a4f388018 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have found ACK timestamps quite useful, these makes it possible to i= mplement LEDBAT style congestion controls, which we believe can be useful= for e.g. low priority transport in wireless access. It is however not st= rictly necessary to have a timestamp for each and every packet in the ACK= s. In addition I don't see either that a floating point representation is= necessary.

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I guess you could see acks as non congestion control transmissions and apply https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8085#section-3.1 which means to have a rate limit and a circuit breaker.

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----==_mimepart_59db5794869f2_32783f9d305e6f3410253c-- From nobody Mon Oct 9 06:55:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4936812008A for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 06:55:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iaTxMKcfWsgG for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 06:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFB8613452F for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 06:55:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=V5UZNErTxArVWTF7LtqfXU5i16o=; b=oHt+ZOBz4bz/Og// ac8+kcMCyvcaLEsHthV8enc1L01DouHibXvyHwEh1JTg1nfnUMbfLlx0+Eax6FCF y1cgt6/eTuj1afX2Q8YaLwbkke7bTl5/0ZnZmUVOUisYbgT3UQ/cj5UfvuoyRt0p +pMQzH5ENW/A+1jYFvL3qK+It7s= Received: by filter1091p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1091p1mdw1-28877-59DB7FB7-3C 2017-10-09 13:55:03.996929649 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id hPcKFDkXQU--eRjtiKbKlw for ; Mon, 09 Oct 2017 13:55:03.933 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 13:55:04 +0000 (UTC) From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Padding ACK-only packets (#837) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59db7fb7b5ace_4de23f92c814af38977f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0tlDJQLHAb6kV0ETmMRWS5xsYYdVU3LAsMRi nPpe58hPCFOuKkz1W8KsP3oxi7IG+3rVs8Z7mzZooDgJ6eOqhfihaIgGF1Uw8SSgJphfBDvOEbWIjY zmEYa4ZUaxLyNiKobVGknR1Ron1UjVHBnpu+WWdboY8Ck/WnDq7T5cwS7XcosOGKfzaJzRjy+YJ7ZU 4= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 13:55:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59db7fb7b5ace_4de23f92c814af38977f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To be clear, an abusive implementation can run without congestion control and send a lot more data than just some extra acks. I believe the concern needs to be whether correct implementations could inadvertently create pathological behaviors, either for themselves or others. The sender and receiver already have an incentive to send as few and as small acks as possible, so there's no need to ensure some sort of 'fairness'. The worst part about including ack only packets in bytes in flight is two competing needs: 1) Do not send an ack frame in response to an ack only packet. 2) We need a way to remove frames from bytes in flight, which is to ack them. Martin, I would say any less than 4 acks per RTT risks degrading performance. That being said, it's going to depend on the congestion controller. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/837#issuecomment-335165361 ----==_mimepart_59db7fb7b5ace_4de23f92c814af38977f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

To be clear, an abusive implementation can run without congestion contro= l and send a lot more data than just some extra acks.

I believe the concern needs to be whether correct implementations could = inadvertently create pathological behaviors, either for themselves or other= s.

The sender and receiver already have an incentive to send as few and as = small acks as possible, so there's no need to ensure some sort of 'fairness= '.

The worst part about including ack only packets in bytes in flight is tw= o competing needs:

  1. Do not send an ack frame in response to an ack only packet.
  2. We need a way to remove frames from bytes in flight, which is to ack th= em.

Martin, I would say any less than 4 acks per RTT risks degrading perform= ance. That being said, it's going to depend on the congestion controller.<= /p>

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The point is that an abused peer has a clear measure of when to close a = connection and possibly blacklist in IP. If there are many other places whe= re this isn't controllable, perhaps it should be. I'm also a bit concerned = about abuse during connection establishment and when/how to drop packets.

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----==_mimepart_59db81607b6c8_62e73f9379c6af3851793-- From nobody Mon Oct 9 07:08:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5971912008A for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 07:08:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aNSROvUPP8zj for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 07:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E47B6126C0F for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 07:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 07:08:34 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507558114; bh=iHvY09yHNxLC63v4YaGnVt+d31DFu3UdVPNe98VNg4Q=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=0h0sAvVBqnR4hCrh86Nwa3o6kPfh6k5aNUMfr5Xuwr+fOmgb4iQK+89XifWHWWSk3 J39ZN5/ZNFGD0vZz5F4rfnmlbeoHigjpkhM+smOU9hTPoBd/QUuBgmx8lvqGturhcp U3YFEJ2ZUGTRZdpUPrioFf5oFSqX42ctc0CJ3a5g= From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection ID is not a number (#834) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59db82e227c4e_7de23f9ab5ca2f302633a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 14:08:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59db82e227c4e_7de23f9ab5ca2f302633a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with Martin as well. The natural way to encode a bytestring is he= x, so I don't see the problem On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Lucas Pardue wrote: > Martin and Brian's description are closer to how I intended to use CID,= > more like a part-GUID. > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/834#issuecomment-335169378= ----==_mimepart_59db82e227c4e_7de23f9ab5ca2f302633a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with Martin as well. The natural way to encode a bytestring is he= x,
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As pointed out by others, Congestion Control is effectively a sender's c= hoice. What we are writing here is a recommendation, such as "do this and l= ife will be smooth and you will not trip on your own shoelaces." There is n= o need to get tied up in knots of philosophy, and certainly no need to requ= est unnatural behavior such as "must acknowledge packets if they contain pa= dding". I personally favor three simple rules:

  1. Bytes in flights count all bytes in flight, regardless of frame types.

  2. ACKs are not subject to congestion control, but they should be sent pars= imoniously during congested periods.

  3. A padded pure ACK message is still a pure ACK message. If an ACK of ACK = is required, the sender of the ACK should add another frame to the ACK, e.g= ., PING.

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PADDING should be a no-op as far as ACK strategy is concerned. If the sender wanted the packet to be acked, they could swap one of the PADDING bytes for a PING.

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I see a few corner cases on another read-through, but it's looking good. Let's land this soon. > + +Buffering ensures that data is not lost, which improves performance; conversely, +discarding these packets could create false loss signals for the congestion +controllers. However, limiting the number and size of buffered packets might be +needed to prevent exposure to denial of service. + +For clients, any packet that cannot be associated with an existing connection +SHOULD be discarded if it not buffered. Discarded packets MAY be logged for +diagnostic or security purposes. + +For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create +a new connection. However, only packets that use the long packet header and +that are at least the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be +initial packets. Unless the server is buffering 0-RTT packets, a server MUST +discard packets that cannot be associated with a connection if they use the +short header form, or they are smaller than the smallest minimum size for any Doesn't this rule out the very case Stateless Reset is intended for? Can't be associated with an active connection, short header, but includes the Connection ID. > +diagnostic or security purposes. + +For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create +a new connection. However, only packets that use the long packet header and +that are at least the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be +initial packets. Unless the server is buffering 0-RTT packets, a server MUST +discard packets that cannot be associated with a connection if they use the +short header form, or they are smaller than the smallest minimum size for any +version that the server supports. + +This version of QUIC defines a minimum size for initial packets of 1200 octets. +Versions of QUIC that define smaller minimum initial packet sizes need to be +aware that initial packets will be discarded without action by servers that only +support versions with larger minimums. Clients that support multiple QUIC +versions can avoid this problem by ensuring that they increase the size of their +initial packets to the largest minimum size across all of the QUIC versions they Side-note which may not require a change: If the server and client have any overlap between versions, this will work. If they don't have any overlap between versions, however, this potentially leads to a connection time-out rather than a VN exchange and immediate conclusion that there's no overlap. Consider the case where the minima of the versions supported by the client are (1040,680,256), and the minima of the version supported by the server are (1280,1280,1600). Even following this advice, the server will always ignore the client's Client Initial packets, and the client will ultimately time out. I'm not sure we need to fix this, given that otherwise we risk spewing VN packets in response to random noise. However, we might want to be clear that this isn't guaranteed to avoid the problem. > -When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet from the server, it should -select an acceptable protocol version. If the server lists an acceptable -version, the client selects that version and reattempts to create a connection -using that version. Though the contents of a packet might not change in +When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet, it first checks that the +packet number and connection ID match the values it sent in a Client Initial +packet. If this check fails, the packet MUST be discarded. Another potential timing issue: Client sends Client Initial + 0-RTT data. Client Initial is lost in transit. Version Negotiation comes back responding to 0-RTT packets because the server only received those. Per the current text, it MUST ignore the server's VN packets until it has retransmitted the CI and gotten *that* VN packet. Hopefully rare, since if you're doing 0-RTT you're unlikely to use an unsupported version -- but not impossible. Maybe we should simply say "match the values it sent in a packet on this connection"? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

I see a few corner cases on another read-through, but it's looking good. Let's land this soon.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+Buffering ensures that data is not lost, which improves performance; conversely,
+discarding these packets could create false loss signals for the congestion
+controllers.  However, limiting the number and size of buffered packets might be
+needed to prevent exposure to denial of service.
+
+For clients, any packet that cannot be associated with an existing connection
+SHOULD be discarded if it not buffered.  Discarded packets MAY be logged for
+diagnostic or security purposes.
+
+For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create
+a new connection.  However, only packets that use the long packet header and
+that are at least the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be
+initial packets.  Unless the server is buffering 0-RTT packets, a server MUST
+discard packets that cannot be associated with a connection if they use the
+short header form, or they are smaller than the smallest minimum size for any

Doesn't this rule out the very case Stateless Reset is intended for? Can't be associated with an active connection, short header, but includes the Connection ID.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +diagnostic or security purposes.
+
+For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create
+a new connection.  However, only packets that use the long packet header and
+that are at least the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be
+initial packets.  Unless the server is buffering 0-RTT packets, a server MUST
+discard packets that cannot be associated with a connection if they use the
+short header form, or they are smaller than the smallest minimum size for any
+version that the server supports.
+
+This version of QUIC defines a minimum size for initial packets of 1200 octets.
+Versions of QUIC that define smaller minimum initial packet sizes need to be
+aware that initial packets will be discarded without action by servers that only
+support versions with larger minimums.  Clients that support multiple QUIC
+versions can avoid this problem by ensuring that they increase the size of their
+initial packets to the largest minimum size across all of the QUIC versions they

Side-note which may not require a change: If the server and client have any overlap between versions, this will work. If they don't have any overlap between versions, however, this potentially leads to a connection time-out rather than a VN exchange and immediate conclusion that there's no overlap.

Consider the case where the minima of the versions supported by the client are (1040,680,256), and the minima of the version supported by the server are (1280,1280,1600). Even following this advice, the server will always ignore the client's Client Initial packets, and the client will ultimately time out.

I'm not sure we need to fix this, given that otherwise we risk spewing VN packets in response to random noise. However, we might want to be clear that this isn't guaranteed to avoid the problem.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet from the server, it should
-select an acceptable protocol version.  If the server lists an acceptable
-version, the client selects that version and reattempts to create a connection
-using that version.  Though the contents of a packet might not change in
+When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet, it first checks that the
+packet number and connection ID match the values it sent in a Client Initial
+packet.  If this check fails, the packet MUST be discarded.

Another potential timing issue: Client sends Client Initial + 0-RTT data. Client Initial is lost in transit. Version Negotiation comes back responding to 0-RTT packets because the server only received those. Per the current text, it MUST ignore the server's VN packets until it has retransmitted the CI and gotten that VN packet. Hopefully rare, since if you're doing 0-RTT you're unlikely to use an unsupported version -- but not impossible.

Maybe we should simply say "match the values it sent in a packet on this connection"?

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----==_mimepart_59dbae438d541_bf53fe6e16e6f38598f5-- From nobody Mon Oct 9 10:30:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54682134723 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 10:30:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W5039-Q8xFwN for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 10:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7EF0C134722 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 10:30:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=d5DeLPI9JUBVZHGmNSc5zLWF41M=; b=krk5rs72vvvJ1znU /KMMaH97upyavXatSwajF9bAYT67feaeGNhMI0PlhMcqD5JhJWNX+uBqRX9oEakZ SZDOIKTfv7hjgAmdrQEuSh3zvip4NsOB5CQ6hnATgmCFQ0kRnrycx9iDrAszoJxg 6B7QsRykk0yVpMeqZ/R2RubN3kY= Received: by filter1093p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1093p1mdw1-19949-59DBB24D-21 2017-10-09 17:30:53.532121223 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id c335Hn40S5uPUdHeKCH2Aw for ; Mon, 09 Oct 2017 17:30:53.484 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 17:30:53 +0000 (UTC) From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of connection ID in handshake creates corner cases (#843) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59dbb24cd45d1_3c0a3fa170f36f284156"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3ME01bz8JB3re4+StbwXRoXY3RBPi7G2qYHK 1jYQC0w5DkBLl7S8Rehv/jtM+PLfnx+Mu66k6KdG/AgSFg83T6KKaOM2h3377pDFk9JaDu5ZLreAPN mixt7QE7sqSuUHle6pYPuBLCv524KKc1j8WKFXTSKs1RuwZfD1JDuy1cDaPS46av3LCwbMsdnLNSkj Y= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 17:30:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59dbb24cd45d1_3c0a3fa170f36f284156 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just finished writing a test case to replicate a failure mode that I observed during interop testing. The test case goes as follow: 1) start connection #1 from client to server; 2) nuke connection #1 at the client side because something went wrong, as it often does during interop tests; 3) start connection #2 from client to server, using the same 5-tuple as connection #1. The good news is that in most case I can make it work, the connection #2 succeeds and the test passes. The bad news is that there is one corner case that creates random failures. After the client sends the Client Initial packet it is waiting for a "server clear text" message, and it can receive either: * the "server clear text" message generated by the server in response to the client initial packet of connection #2; * or, a retransmission of the "server clear text" message of connection #1, because it was not yet acknowledged when connection #1 was nuked. If the client accepts the message from connection #1, it will set the connection ID to the connection #1 value, and the TLS handshake will fail because #1 and #2 used different key shares. So the client really wants to pick the "right" server clear text message. But as far as QUIC is concerned, there is no easy way to tell, since both messages carry a connection ID that is unrelated to the client-chosen initial connection ID. Do we want to handle that corner case? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/843 ----==_mimepart_59dbb24cd45d1_3c0a3fa170f36f284156 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I just finished writing a test case to replicate a failure mode that I o= bserved during interop testing. The test case goes as follow:

  1. start connection #1 from= client to server;

  2. nuke connection #1 at th= e client side because something went wrong, as it often does during interop= tests;

  3. start connection #2 fr= om client to server, using the same 5-tuple as connection #1.

The good news is that in most case I can make it work, the connection #2 succeeds and the test pa= sses. The bad news is that there is one corner case that creates random fai= lures. After the client sends the Client Initial packet it is waiting for a= "server clear text" message, and it can receive either:

  • the "server clear text" message generated by the server in response to t= he client initial packet of connection #2;

  • or, a retransmission of the "server clear text" message of connection #1, because it was not yet ac= knowledged when connection #1 was nuked.

If the client accepts the message from connection #1, it will set the connection ID to the connecti= on #1 value, and the TLS h= andshake will fail because #1 and #2 used different = key shares. So the client really wants to pick the "right" server clear tex= t message. But as far as QUIC is concerned, there is no easy way to tell, s= ince both messages carry a connection ID that is unrelated to the client-ch= osen initial connection ID.

Do we want to handle that corner case?

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= ----==_mimepart_59dbb24cd45d1_3c0a3fa170f36f284156-- From nobody Mon Oct 9 10:42:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0477113472F for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 10:42:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dQfpfzPRYd7E for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 10:42:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63813134733 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 10:42:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 10:42:09 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507570929; bh=RnjU3toSpTtWLp+OzfbRsxPDY/BCS9osZzAdbnGx8KM=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=X5cEin4wtAGYq1nDjrowGBUvVWoAGevdyfBHaByvfD57bCvUQvhk88pAinl+M5Syt +4pjjVAJ7emsa9SrJ901K7k9ROJYswoIA3O9o8CdDpB5VGxUt4pteHlMucUPnqA7oX Zi17iuyj/1vvLx1Ng8RPT65vnh4dy8O7Gdg4uMLU= From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of connection ID in handshake creates corner cases (#843) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59dbb4f19135d_200f73f7e1b7faf34475b1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 17:42:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59dbb4f19135d_200f73f7e1b7faf34475b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In some near future, server "clear text" packets will be encrypted with a key based on the client's connection ID, I believe. In such a scenario, I would expect that the message from connection #1 would be ignored by the client's connection #2 because the packet will not decrypt correctly. Does that sound right to you? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/843#issuecomment-335229908 ----==_mimepart_59dbb4f19135d_200f73f7e1b7faf34475b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In some near future, server "clear text" packets will be encryp= ted with a
key based on the client's connection ID, I believe. In such a scenari= o, I
would expect that the message from connection #1 would be ignored by the<= br> client's connection #2 because the packet will not decrypt correctly.= Does
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= ----==_mimepart_59dbb4f19135d_200f73f7e1b7faf34475b1-- From nobody Mon Oct 9 11:03:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E45ED134755 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 11:03:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sERd4o1aB4MK for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 11:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70F3D133071 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 11:03:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=kF+pQpK7isEUkKXM5/aR+Hde3Ds=; b=b/F3YwFwYBmfOYOB 3fM02XqJ+YHwCzMSjtjNf//kGNKFhlax1AC4NMT/l9xC9w+oL9WwF0XQoJV64tkc 90z1nLfEWlpHqNgR4H+RCQiB86m5yslv0Y3WWgyIUBnglEh0HZrQU1/UG3sP9q1y 98aK0XTycAc2Ao3qO/bN2EtgLz8= Received: by filter0176p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0176p1iad2-24973-59DBB9E6-15 2017-10-09 18:03:18.261631101 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0004p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id J-q47MGBQ4qssqm66neKiQ for ; Mon, 09 Oct 2017 18:03:18.324 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 18:03:18 +0000 (UTC) From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of connection ID in handshake creates corner cases (#843) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59dbb9e62f410_ae63fc3dccf2f3030334"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak22seJVRa0Pc48CN8bju4TajKnuo7E9gNoKV7 1zxKD9Xu0Vcon7Cz6UR9ndvx2//KXLTTr1p+rpdj3z0i3IGNlShQ4zgpzCE0x6flcBQi+2hmb23ROP kBpoH52fcVivbvb/UAgcI2yRQx2DcQqN/VEzKAT5SqXKCpqb7JTRz4/uRWjWToSY1NKXBwg+gR9Uyr M= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 18:03:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59dbb9e62f410_ae63fc3dccf2f3030334 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @RyanAtGoogle no, encrypting with the connection ID will not be sufficient. According to the spec, the Client Initial carries the client-chosen initial connection ID, but the Server Clear text carries the server chosen connection ID, which the client is supposed to adopt and then use for all consecutive packets. So the client will read the connection ID from the message header, and use it to decrypt the message. It will work, whether using connection ID #1 or #2. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/843#issuecomment-335238314 ----==_mimepart_59dbb9e62f410_ae63fc3dccf2f3030334 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@Ryan= AtGoogle no, encrypting with the connection ID will not be sufficient. = According to the spec, the Client Initial carries the client-chosen initial= connection ID, but the Server Clear text carries the server chosen connect= ion ID, which the client is supposed to adopt and then use for all consecut= ive packets. So the client will read the connection ID from the message hea= der, and use it to decrypt the message. It will work, whether using connect= ion ID #1 or #2.

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= ----==_mimepart_59dbb9e62f410_ae63fc3dccf2f3030334-- From nobody Mon Oct 9 11:12:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 939A4134762 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 11:12:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b2gyfUrM7xjs for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 11:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A712134736 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 11:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 11:12:30 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507572750; bh=fsthLolKUcVs23sqfdLOUsf08xqArA1K+P/DR8nZXTY=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=z1sOxO2nZ4vPTjBXkfliwSUfQ4wC/r++pXJwdWrRzdrXPGfDPZFypuDCCiYk6qh1L motui6ACqkTGA47+wX1KNroRetWFxj9fWpLmf3P1tboF2TI5HWM6u8jn2G3TWuekmv QrjvnP5d+yBqZiTP06JyGsp9f0KIxnTV1X1C17+4= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of connection ID in handshake creates corner cases (#843) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59dbbc0e42f16_64153ffb108e0f30263a9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 18:12:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59dbbc0e42f16_64153ffb108e0f30263a9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What might work is, look for an ACK Frame in the incoming Server Clear Text, and check that the "largest acknowledged" sequence number matches the sequence number of the client initial packet. Ignore the Server Clear text (and do not update the connection ID) if it does not carry an acknowledgement, or if the acknowledged number does not match the client initial sequence number. But this is not what the spec currently says: > 5.4.3. Server Cleartext Packet > > A Server Cleartext packet uses long headers with a type value of 0x04. It is used to carry acknowledgments and cryptographic handshake messages from the server. > > The connection ID field in a Server Cleartext packet contains a connection ID that is chosen by the server (see Section 5.6). > > The first Server Cleartext packet contains a randomized packet number. This value is increased for each subsequent packet sent by the server as described in Section 5.7. > > The payload of this packet contains STREAM frames and could contain PADDING and ACK frames. So, if we want to be robust, we may need to update that text: mandate that servers insert an ACK frame in the Server Clear Text, and allow clients to check for presence and value of the ACK frame. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/843#issuecomment-335242018 ----==_mimepart_59dbbc0e42f16_64153ffb108e0f30263a9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What might work is, look for an ACK Frame in the incoming Server Clear= Text, and check that the "largest acknowledged" sequence number matches = the sequence number of the client initial packet. Ignore the Server Clear= text (and do not update the connection ID) if it does not carry an ackno= wledgement, or if the acknowledged number does not match the client initi= al sequence number. But this is not what the spec currently says:

5.4.3. Server Cleartext Packet

A Server Cleartext packet uses long headers with a type value of 0x04.= It is used to carry acknowledgments and cryptographic handshake messages= from the server.

The connection ID field in a Server Cleartext packet contains a connec= tion ID that is chosen by the server (see Section 5.6).

The first Server Cleartext packet contains a randomized packet number.= This value is increased for each subsequent packet sent by the server as= described in Section 5.7.

The payload of this packet contains STREAM frames and could contain PA= DDING and ACK frames.

So, if we want to be robust, we may need to update that text: mandate = that servers insert an ACK frame in the Server Clear Text, and allow clie= nts to check for presence and value of the ACK frame.

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= ----==_mimepart_59dbbc0e42f16_64153ffb108e0f30263a9-- From nobody Mon Oct 9 11:54:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0A01331D2 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 11:54:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PoBYkcqsd1i4 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 11:54:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AEBE713476A for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 11:54:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 11:54:01 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507575241; bh=a3xP8olo0DYdkZbitYu9xSYcUpxG1HOF5szLUYgN0kc=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=aRT2Q+zGvtclcW1VqF29rSEMvSQu5FB0FIWrcJdOqC4V6OMyi5K30v37S1l2zns4u pXcZ0cuaeLPJ+UpTbxBOYsIoQALGJTiZr2x4jv045Bqt+MQgoA399nE2bbQecNGRa3 gi1qGjYbfQLCOAToPCPyh8GWP/spOfghIv5mihN0= From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of connection ID in handshake creates corner cases (#843) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59dbc5c9ae94f_12fa3fe330f56f386351c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 18:54:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59dbc5c9ae94f_12fa3fe330f56f386351c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 11:03 AM, Christian Huitema wrote: > @RyanAtGoogle no, encrypting with the= > connection ID will not be sufficient. According to the spec, the Client= > Initial carries the client-chosen initial connection ID, but the Server= > Clear text carries the server chosen connection ID, which the client is= > supposed to adopt and then use for all consecutive packets. So the clie= nt > will read the connection ID from the message header, and use it to decr= ypt > the message. It will work, whether using connection ID #1 > or #2 > . > But if the server packet for connection 1 is encrypted with client connection ID 1, and the server packet for connection 2 is encrypted with= client connection ID 2, there should be =E2=80=8Bno confusion. Of course,= if the server encrypts the packet with the *server* connection ID, then that wou= ld not works, but we would also have off-path attacker problems. -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/843#issuecomment-335254306= ----==_mimepart_59dbc5c9ae94f_12fa3fe330f56f386351c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 11:03 AM, Christian Huitema <notifications@gith= ub.com
> wrote:

> @RyanAtGoogle <https://github.com/ryanatgoogle> no, encrypting= with the
> connection ID will not be sufficient. According to the spec, the Cli= ent
> Initial carries the client-chosen initial connection ID, but the Ser= ver
> Clear text carries the server chosen connection ID, which the client= is
> supposed to adopt and then use for all consecutive packets. So the c= lient
> will read the connection ID from the message header, and use it to d= ecrypt
> the message. It will work, whether using connection ID #1
> <https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1> or #2
> <https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2>.
>
But if the server packet for connection 1 is encrypted with client
connection ID 1, and the server packet for connection 2 is encrypted with=
client connection ID 2, there should be =E2=80=8Bno confusion. Of course,= if the
server encrypts the packet with the *server* connection ID, then that wou= ld
not works, but we would also have off-path attacker problems.

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This makes the change we discussed in Seattle where all Cleartext
packets are encrypted with AES-GCM using a key derived from the
client connection ID and a random per-version value.

Note: I generated this value using randomness.org.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/844

Commit Summary

  • AEAD all packets. Fixed #693, Fixes #840.

File Changes

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Oh, OK. I did not realize that the proposal was to encrypt the entire se= t of handshake messages with the client's initial connection ID -- a field = that is not visible in server messages, or in client's clear text message. = Is that really the proposal?

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https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/844

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> wrote:

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> of handshake messages with the client's initial connection ID -- a= field
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= ----==_mimepart_59dbd1544ca59_283433ff055520f2811228-- From nobody Mon Oct 9 12:52:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30CC9132332 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 12:52:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vguW6IAplYCc for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 12:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext8.iad.github.net [192.30.252.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D82331321DF for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 12:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 12:52:27 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507578747; bh=9EB1QeZS/ylLfZ2N7J0MNVFTfF7Flfgneh1p887pCYc=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=E4kxa0P3Fv2swFtqmbyhSH1xbFvVmaUbzjUEZDBlGH/5Q8EIaZaCWllIDfRwBKFnn taUCaCVfY3W0YDVSMzstQD28EgNrFEZQ1g8BAHQpQmb3OvIq+Cok4YgRz383erVRYV dLfZqnLcvUJPPy3NQOT4/jY9ukTOYpnTOxIBP4iE= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] AEAD all packets. Fixed #693, Fixes #840. (#844) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59dbd37b86f7_27e83ff076034f348464f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 19:52:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59dbd37b86f7_27e83ff076034f348464f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit huitema approved this pull request. Non trivial code change, we will need to decide whether it is in scope for Singapore interop. But otherwise, I like it. It will fix the corner cases described in issue #843. > @@ -758,8 +785,11 @@ used for QUIC packet protection is AEAD that is negotiated for use with the TLS connection. For example, if TLS is using the TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256, the AEAD_AES_128_GCM function is used. -Regular QUIC packets are protected by an AEAD algorithm {{!RFC5116}}. Version -negotiation and public reset packets are not protected. +All QUIC packets other than version negotiation and public reset packets are +protected with an AEAD algorithm {{!RFC5116}}. Cleartext packets are protected +with the AEAD_AES_128_GCM and a key derived from the client's connection ID. +This provides protection against off-path attackers and robustness against +QUIC version unaware middleboxes, but not against on-path attackers. I assume that there will be at some point a request to support "QUIC for IOT" and use AES 128 with CCM 8. But we are not there yet, and the IOT folks would just have to create their own version... -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/844#pullrequestreview-68089666 ----==_mimepart_59dbd37b86f7_27e83ff076034f348464f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@huitema approved this pull request.

Non trivial code change, we will need to decide whether it is in scope for Singapore interop. But otherwise, I like it. It will fix the corner cases described in issue #843.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -758,8 +785,11 @@ used for QUIC packet protection is AEAD that is negotiated for use with the TLS
 connection.  For example, if TLS is using the TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256, the
 AEAD_AES_128_GCM function is used.
 
-Regular QUIC packets are protected by an AEAD algorithm {{!RFC5116}}.  Version
-negotiation and public reset packets are not protected.
+All QUIC packets other than version negotiation and public reset packets are
+protected with an AEAD algorithm {{!RFC5116}}. Cleartext packets are protected
+with the AEAD_AES_128_GCM and a key derived from the client's connection ID.
+This provides protection against off-path attackers and robustness against
+QUIC version unaware middleboxes, but not against on-path attackers.

I assume that there will be at some point a request to support "QUIC for IOT" and use AES 128 with CCM 8. But we are not there yet, and the IOT folks would just have to create their own version...

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GQUIC interprets connection ID as a number. We talk about CID as a num= ber and use numeric representations across our tooling. CID has always be= en a numeric value in GQUIC, and we just went through the pain of convert= ing from little-endian to big-endian representation (on the wire) for thi= s value.

Every implementation is of course free to do as it pleases, since it's= all network-byte-order on the wire and when being fed to the HKDF. So GQ= UIC can continue doing as it does even if the spec says that this is a by= testring, and hopefully nothing will break.

Which brings me to the practical reasons for keeping it as a number. J= ust as Patrick, we'll continue talking about connection ID 'N' and our to= oling will continue referring to it as a 64-bit int. It seems natural to = refer to it as a number to avoid confusion between implementations when t= hey need to refer to this in some way for debugging.

IMO, making it a byte-string has no practical value but does seem to h= ave the value of coloring the bikeshed with the "right" color.

This issue is about changing the existing definition of connection ID = -- which inherits GQUIC, where it is a number. I'd like to push back agai= nst it because it creates work and/or potential confusion in the future. = Keeping it as a number does neither and is my preferred way forward.

(FWIW, calling it a number doesn't mean using it as a number is a usef= ul exercise in any other way. Adding 1 to the connection ID is fun, but d= oesn't mean anything since the spec doesn't say anything about what that = means.)

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +
+## Computing the RTT estimate
+
+(To be filled)
+
+
+## Ack-based Detection
+
+Ack-based loss detection implements the spirit of TCP's Fast Retransmit
+{{!RFC5681}}, Early Retransmit {{!RFC5827}}, FACK, and SACK loss recovery
+{{!RFC6675}}. This section provides an overview of how these algorithms are
+implemented in QUIC.
+
+### Fast Retransmit
+
+An unacknowledged packet is marked as lost when an acknowledgment is received

I'm adding a TODO, but not doing this in this PR. I think we're going to need an early terminology section.

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----==_mimepart_59dc0e22172fa_1c2d3fbec9a7af2c3562a-- From nobody Mon Oct 9 17:02:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E87AF13318C for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 17:02:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UAooHS9g9fWH for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 17:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m71-131.mailgun.net (m71-131.mailgun.net [166.78.71.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 130F51320C9 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 17:02:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1507593760; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=npyzmTgPhiGZToJc/fYehUkKoYJ5i2WGx4g24n9Zg+E=; b=mYuk6vT1yJlaYJThBQJeOlADvcTnlXgHc3Yd/092ZqSRIzVSt7POenppkTlfmpRuxEdnvXp2 Xjsv8iczKDv5/5T1UGZNi0iyFgnZ7jevAytUCzkOW/HXZ8G5aDzzTJwsl1k+/YGjA2jQB/3y 9rViFRQBmP4yIX4w5h9c9kErQgk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=u0ITTq57PgyqGw6DaYgz81x0eE3KRJSty5c/i1zpyh+v0NzJSacvbADGnNGJD+Orv4v4Ha 5+peDv8tsrGLa+BVuS1Rf34gEX+Lt8AiYLxsX7jQkhBT7uV5aU0+x2O7UQ6E6poLaIetQvJ3 8HxwvDCJPGdAe76xs3j/8B+YWiNcE= Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.71.131 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.34]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 59dc0e1f.7f07a855d210-smtp-out-n03; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 00:02:39 -0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 17:02:38 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <59dc0e1e18c5b_53ef3f93fd7bbc38102971@hookshot-fe2-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] a0c571: AEAD all packets. Fixed #693, Fixes #840. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59dc0e1e188b2_53ef3f93fd7bbc38102825"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 00:02:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59dc0e1e188b2_53ef3f93fd7bbc38102825 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: a0c571b42e22bdbf2f8e49f9fec03c2be6816ab5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a0c571b42e22bdbf2f8e49f9fec03c2be6816ab5 Author: EKR Date: 2017-10-09 (Mon, 09 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- AEAD all packets. Fixed #693, Fixes #840. This makes the change we discussed in Seattle where all Cleartext packets are encrypted with AES-GCM using a key derived from the client connection ID and a random per-version value. Note: I generated this value using randomness.org. Commit: cf605489cedb96ccc796ba5735d132e81b5e56c4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cf605489cedb96ccc796ba5735d132e81b5e56c4 Author: EKR Date: 2017-10-09 (Mon, 09 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Update salt. This salt isn't random but rather is the git hash of the revision corresponding to the -06 drafts. It's still essentially arbitrary but now it's predictable arbitrary. Commit: 796649842c33cff4d4c1621cdfe45027a07b1751 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/796649842c33cff4d4c1621cdfe45027a07b1751 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-10 (Tue, 10 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #844 from ekr/aead_all_the_things AEAD all packets. Fixed #693, Fixes #840. 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----==_mimepart_59dc0e2a2a6a7_65e93f9a16ab2f30549f9-- From nobody Mon Oct 9 17:27:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3364413430D for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 17:27:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H94wDAsLHueX for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 17:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC86A1342EF for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 17:27:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=q7ng+W61Z81yYcJk/icA0Gt0GRg=; b=Tf6PQHf2xwIL5ciF VUFJGhiIyQ3zliKTWpB/CMzq9J9h5MeAMsbgE9ofLB85YJQos92SknPm5wPGqNzt XNDoyu3L4z2vZUcE1f0yH19XBO7KZhafQRagyCX9CEDURhaEg/3nlrYP1QoTiGPH /QpVWZ2WGUpAyXbVXZEqzDyMOmE= Received: by filter0237p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0237p1iad2-13931-59DC1406-27 2017-10-10 00:27:50.567182818 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0011p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 0_yhdgYKQ1GBS9jtnNQqxQ for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 00:27:50.566 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 00:27:50 +0000 (UTC) From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection ID is not a number (#834) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59dc140665c39_7db53fa233982f2850861"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak27uZeXVmxR6ApywecPhA5hVtAVFiuepBOREH VYbe2OC4aLOzkw1oK+VNM7Yu0lN7TPCDffRbaa48X8sLrj4Gd37g/NEHW2rFM62u6IBim/KpQp2j4a G1HPAFlqOTfEnIXdjW81Jh01Q+udIxyxe/PgJ0x/w2Ulcu4SGDLnsL//ymX8jtmi6bqQOcMWQssV7F A= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 00:27:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59dc140665c39_7db53fa233982f2850861 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm saying that we (GQUIC) use Connection ID in our tooling/logging (and pretty much anywhere) as a number. There's no strong motivation to change it now for us since (i) we just went through and changed this, and (ii) it was thorny. That will leave us using it as a number and others using it as a number/byte-string, causing confusion when we talk to a non-GQUIC implementer about a connection ID. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/834#issuecomment-335324814 ----==_mimepart_59dc140665c39_7db53fa233982f2850861 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm saying that we (GQUIC) use Connection ID in our tooling/logging (and= pretty much anywhere) as a number. There's no strong motivation to change = it now for us since (i) we just went through and changed this, and (ii) it = was thorny. That will leave us using it as a number and others using it as = a number/byte-string, causing confusion when we talk to a non-GQUIC impleme= nter about a connection ID.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +reordering, causing a sender to spuriously detect losses. Spurious loss
+detection leads to unnecessary retransmissions and may result in degraded
+performance due to the actions of the congestion controller upon detecting
+loss. Implementers MAY use algorithms developed for TCP, such as TCP-NCR
+{{!RFC4653}}, to improve QUIC's reordering resilience, though care should be
+taken to map TCP specifics to QUIC correctly. Similarly, using time-based loss
+detection to deal with reordering, such as in PR-TCP, should be more readily
+usable in QUIC. Making QUIC deal with such networks is important open research,
+and implementers are encouraged to explore this space.
+
+### Early Retransmit
+
+Unacknowledged packets close to the tail may have fewer than
+kReorderingThreshold number of packets sent after them. Loss of such packets
+cannot be detected via Fast Retransmit. To enable ack-based loss detection of
+such packets, receipt of an acknowledgment for the last outstanding packet

Hm -- yeah, I think this is important. I'm adding ackable in a few places, including in TLP.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +loss. Implementers MAY use algorithms developed for TCP, such as TCP-NCR
+{{!RFC4653}}, to improve QUIC's reordering resilience, though care should be
+taken to map TCP specifics to QUIC correctly. Similarly, using time-based loss
+detection to deal with reordering, such as in PR-TCP, should be more readily
+usable in QUIC. Making QUIC deal with such networks is important open research,
+and implementers are encouraged to explore this space.
+
+### Early Retransmit
+
+Unacknowledged packets close to the tail may have fewer than
+kReorderingThreshold number of packets sent after them. Loss of such packets
+cannot be detected via Fast Retransmit. To enable ack-based loss detection of
+such packets, receipt of an acknowledgment for the last outstanding packet
+triggers the Early Retransmit process, as follows.
+
+If there are unacknowledged packets still pending, they ought to be

I think "ought to be" is correct here, since we say that the sender SHOULD set an alarm here... we don't mark for rtx until the alarm fires.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +alarm when a tail packet is transmitted. When this alarm fires, a Tail Loss
+Probe (TLP) packet is sent to evoke an acknowledgement from the receiver.
+
+The alarm duration, or Probe Timeout (PTO), is set based on the following
+conditions:
+
+* If there is exactly one unacknowledged packet, PTO SHOULD be scheduled for
+  max(2*SRTT, 1.5*SRTT+kDelayedAckTimeout)
+
+* If there are more than one unacknowledged packets, PTO SHOULD be scheduled for
+  max(2*SRTT, 10ms).
+
+* If RTO is earlier, schedule a TLP alarm in its place. That is, PTO SHOULD be
+  scheduled for min(RTO, PTO).
+
+kDelayedAckTimeout is the worst case delayed ACK timer.  When the is exactly one

I used wording from the TLP draft, but changed it to "expected" now. We need to revisit this algorithm anyways, so I don't think we need to finesse this part yet.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +
+* If there is exactly one unacknowledged packet, PTO SHOULD be scheduled for
+  max(2*SRTT, 1.5*SRTT+kDelayedAckTimeout)
+
+* If there are more than one unacknowledged packets, PTO SHOULD be scheduled for
+  max(2*SRTT, 10ms).
+
+* If RTO is earlier, schedule a TLP alarm in its place. That is, PTO SHOULD be
+  scheduled for min(RTO, PTO).
+
+kDelayedAckTimeout is the worst case delayed ACK timer.  When the is exactly one
+unacknowledged packet, the alarm duration includes time for an acknowledgment to
+be received, and additionally, a kDelayedAckTimeout period to compensate for the
+delayed acknowledgment timer at the receiver.
+
+The RECOMMENDED value for kDelayedAckTimeout is 25ms.

But we don't allow negotiation here yet. I think it's a good idea to negotiate, so I'll add a TODO here.

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Thinking through the congestion case further: the only reason you want= to send ACK-only packets is when you are passive (you are receiving data= , but not sending any). In which case the other side has ample opportuni= ty to send you acknowledgments. If you are receiving data that requires = acknowledgment, then you are receiving acknowledgments also. I can't con= ceive of a valid case where you would be congestion limited, but only sen= ding ACKs for an extended period except a case where the endpoint has an = extremely low send rate (low 1000s of bits per second might do it).

That suggests that we might be able to define the limit in absolute te= rms. For instance, we could say that you get N octets or N packets in to= tal that are exempt from the congestion limit, a quantity that is repleni= shed every time that you send a packet that isn't blocked by the congesti= on controller. Wait long enough and you will be able to send again, even= with a ridiculously limited upstream bandwidth.

The risk there is that on these tightly-constrained links, ACKs could = consume all available capacity. But I believe that's already true; this w= ould make that marginally worse, but it might actually allow the protocol= to continue operation in that sort of environment.

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It is pretty obviously SHA-256, but we need to write that down. 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It is pretty obviously SHA-256, but we need to write that down. Also a few editorial changes. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/845 -- Commit Summary -- * Followup for cleartext AEAD change -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (30) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/845.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/845.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/845 ----==_mimepart_59dc1d3a5c821_2320a3ff6e47bcf30447e3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The change in #844 didn't mention the hash function used with HKDF. It is
pretty obviously SHA-256, but we need to write that down.

Also a few editorial changes.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/845

Commit Summary

  • Followup for cleartext AEAD change

File Changes

Patch Links:

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Now that we have an AEAD for handshake packets, and we have different key derivation for server and client, the different packet type for server and client messages is redundant. We can remove the extra type and simplify.

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----==_mimepart_59dc25aa46d45_a76c3fcf8e9d2f2c1016e1-- From nobody Mon Oct 9 18:43:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA8E8133052 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 18:43:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5q2gAoaf7ElA for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 18:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m71-131.mailgun.net (m71-131.mailgun.net [166.78.71.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A5F3132D22 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 18:43:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1507599809; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=8bYhNcavgjCeHAILxJ8jxhWoZ8SqvDRtZPn1ycpO1bg=; b=Lddq67OxFk2ZDYVe1TermA42WsEW6NCVMtP3V8P7gasj3k2puOM1qtk1HG97ai/OBN/sFM6Y MS66s7l+rAhWhghDZgFZFlr8UEEIZqbEt/1DqVeSacS7TnDxLom/Rp0IAD5dsXtjTPAAA5dk GhIUwvObSxnQy2RZ2zEkF2WiaZs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=eLYOwtWY7Aut+X3aCR7/7t3IJrZMAR1ARM6XOP4P+TsMm8omGC/Z3j78dTltsB3tEptTCm l/vxEFDPCiwfejjC/bYBjDbqehbAzxWRTAYyZlrhwnYyUeS81l20a6T7poBDHSatPVtV0nWm iOs2YIi54XNIwA/HJRgFw4qyf3EDg= Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.71.131 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.41]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 59dc25c1.7f5a60044fc0-smtp-out-n03; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 01:43:29 -0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 18:43:28 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <59dc25c0636c1_1d4b3fc06c48bc343912b@hookshot-fe5-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 57f2fb: Rename and consolidate packet types Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59dc25c0632f9_1d4b3fc06c48bc3439088"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 01:43:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59dc25c0632f9_1d4b3fc06c48bc3439088 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/single-cleartext Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 57f2fb2e6b074ed8067ee5c09896add812812ea2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/57f2fb2e6b074ed8067ee5c09896add812812ea2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-10 (Tue, 10 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Rename and consolidate packet types The two cleartext types are no longer needed to distinguish between client and server. Server packets are protected with a different key to that used for client packets, so a server will be unable to process a packet from another server as though it were a client packet (not that this was possible anyway given that we have a different type for the initial packet). Consequently, I have renamed packets to use shorter names and to better fit their roles: * Client Initial -> Initial * Server Stateless Retry -> Retry (also avoids confusion with Stateless Reset) * Server Cleartext -> Handshake * Client Cleartext -> Handshake I've rephrased the text in the TLS spec to match. The only functional change here is to consolidate Server and Client Cleartext into a single codepoint. I did renumber the 0-RTT and 1-RTT protected packets as a result. Closes #846. ----==_mimepart_59dc25c0632f9_1d4b3fc06c48bc3439088-- From nobody Mon Oct 9 18:43:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F63133052 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 18:43:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BuP5YL5NugRo for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 18:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5115132D22 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 18:43:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 18:43:46 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507599826; bh=xYhalo83IoCpljGSmhQWj4rFfPA7yXfJi6+5TzA4d6Q=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=nvr5xlkkWi2wRsxjxoghOLX3D0ebd9u1rnkF1swDCZap4tRtoZbcgk9w6dLtO31/V adHOa7vR1dCjtpSXzaVcl3zxZAsba3/3QoPnYchYv3XnwMCX+6usfag09iKrh2PjZG ifWLaHDxlgD7eGnO5WHOBRDeuy1yVW6GFUl94UTQ= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rename and consolidate packet types (#847) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59dc25d248df3_35123fc8a6f94f30861b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 01:43:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59dc25d248df3_35123fc8a6f94f30861b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The two cleartext types are no longer needed to distinguish between client and server. Server packets are protected with a different key to that used for client packets, so a server will be unable to process a packet from another server as though it were a client packet (not that this was possible anyway given that we have a different type for the initial packet). Consequently, I have renamed packets to use shorter names and to better fit their roles: * Client Initial -> Initial * Server Stateless Retry -> Retry (also avoids confusion with Stateless Reset) * Server Cleartext -> Handshake * Client Cleartext -> Handshake I've rephrased the text in the TLS spec to match. The only functional change here is to consolidate Server and Client Cleartext into a single codepoint. I did renumber the 0-RTT and 1-RTT protected packets as a result. Closes #846. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/847 -- Commit Summary -- * Rename and consolidate packet types -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (90) M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (188) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/847.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/847.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/847 ----==_mimepart_59dc25d248df3_35123fc8a6f94f30861b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The two cleartext types are no longer needed to distinguish between client and
server. Server packets are protected with a different key to that used for
client packets, so a server will be unable to process a packet from another
server as though it were a client packet (not that this was possible anyway
given that we have a different type for the initial packet).

Consequently, I have renamed packets to use shorter names and to better fit
their roles:

  • Client Initial -> Initial
  • Server Stateless Retry -> Retry (also avoids confusion with Stateless Reset)
  • Server Cleartext -> Handshake
  • Client Cleartext -> Handshake

I've rephrased the text in the TLS spec to match.

The only functional change here is to consolidate Server and Client Cleartext
into a single codepoint. I did renumber the 0-RTT and 1-RTT protected packets
as a result.

Closes #846.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/847

Commit Summary

  • Rename and consolidate packet types

File Changes

Patch Links:

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It is pretty obviously SHA-256, but we need to write that down. Also a few editorial changes. 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This will also incorporate some advice about loss response. I would very much like @ianswett to consolidate the various actions to take upon loss detection in that document, but that's another issue. As for "challenges with ICMP feedback", the section "Special Considerations for PMTU Discovery" is specifically meant to address this. What is that missing? Is there anything else you'd like to see here? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/614#issuecomment-335359125 ----==_mimepart_59dc4f6e78dac_23ce3fce553c2f2c9218f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Magnus,

I agree that some language about probe packets would be useful and there= will be a PR shortly. This will also incorporate some advice about loss re= sponse. I would very much like @ianswett to consolidate the various actions to take= upon loss detection in that document, but that's another issue.

As for "challenges with ICMP feedback", the section "Special Considerati= ons for PMTU Discovery" is specifically meant to address this. What is that= missing?

Is there anything else you'd like to see here?

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These should be removed for (at least) two reasons:

Firstly, there should only be one way to do anything, if possible. This makes it possible to encode the same information two ways.

Perhaps more substantially, because it would make WebRTC easier. In discussions about using QUIC for WebRTC, we found that there were several options for multiplexing designs that are feasible with QUIC. One of the most difficult parts of that was ensuring that once the handshake was complete, QUIC packets could be distinguished easily from other packets.

During the handshake, I think that people are prepared to rely on checksums, and other things, but in the steady state demultiplexing on the first octet would be ideal.

Right now, the two 1-RTT protected long header encodings collide with RTP and need more sophisticated handling to correctly identify. Some tweaking of the type field might avoid that, but it could preclude greasing and effectively constrain what we can do with QUIC. It would be easier to rely on the packets using the short header. The short header only potentially collides with DTLS (which would not be used in this case) and STUN (which are infrequent enough that they can use the STUN hash or magic number to identify correctly - something Google already do).

@pthatcherg or @aboba can expand on the reasons, or explain some of their alternative designs.

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This is in response to #614 .

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Is this intended to close #614, or just help a little? It doesn't seem like this is much extra text. I would need to check with RFC 4821 to determine if #614 is closed by this change, but - without reading more - it doesn't seem substantial enough. > @@ -2403,6 +2403,15 @@ that it sends. Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. +# Special Considerations for Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery + +The PADDING frame provides a useful option for PMTU probe packets that does not +exist in other transports. QUIC Packets with no frames other than PADDING must be +acknowledged, but need not be retransmitted if lost. PADDING probe packets, if We're trying to avoid talking about retransmission of packets, instead concentrating on the information content. In this case, you could say "QUIC packets that only include PADDING frames cause the receiver to generate an acknowledgment, but PADDING frames don't contain information that needs to be reliably delivered." Or something like that. > @@ -2403,6 +2403,15 @@ that it sends. Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. +# Special Considerations for Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery + +The PADDING frame provides a useful option for PMTU probe packets that does not +exist in other transports. QUIC Packets with no frames other than PADDING must be +acknowledged, but need not be retransmitted if lost. PADDING probe packets, if +lost, also do not delay delivery of application data. Their only impact on I would remove the "do not delay clause" on the basis that they could consume congestion control bytes. > @@ -2403,6 +2403,15 @@ that it sends. Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. +# Special Considerations for Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery + +The PADDING frame provides a useful option for PMTU probe packets that does not +exist in other transports. QUIC Packets with no frames other than PADDING must be +acknowledged, but need not be retransmitted if lost. PADDING probe packets, if +lost, also do not delay delivery of application data. Their only impact on +application data is the extent that they consume the congestion window and +connection flow control credits. Padding doesn't consume flow control (only the bytes delivered in STREAM frames do). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Is this intended to close #614, or just help a little?

It doesn't seem like this is much extra text. I would need to check with RFC 4821 to determine if #614 is closed by this change, but - without reading more - it doesn't seem substantial enough.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2403,6 +2403,15 @@ that it sends.
 Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are
 discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
 
+# Special Considerations for Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery
+
+The PADDING frame provides a useful option for PMTU probe packets that does not
+exist in other transports. QUIC Packets with no frames other than PADDING must be
+acknowledged, but need not be retransmitted if lost. PADDING probe packets, if

We're trying to avoid talking about retransmission of packets, instead concentrating on the information content. In this case, you could say "QUIC packets that only include PADDING frames cause the receiver to generate an acknowledgment, but PADDING frames don't contain information that needs to be reliably delivered." Or something like that.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2403,6 +2403,15 @@ that it sends.
 Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are
 discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
 
+# Special Considerations for Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery
+
+The PADDING frame provides a useful option for PMTU probe packets that does not
+exist in other transports. QUIC Packets with no frames other than PADDING must be
+acknowledged, but need not be retransmitted if lost. PADDING probe packets, if
+lost, also do not delay delivery of application data. Their only impact on

I would remove the "do not delay clause" on the basis that they could consume congestion control bytes.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2403,6 +2403,15 @@ that it sends.
 Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are
 discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
 
+# Special Considerations for Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery
+
+The PADDING frame provides a useful option for PMTU probe packets that does not
+exist in other transports. QUIC Packets with no frames other than PADDING must be
+acknowledged, but need not be retransmitted if lost. PADDING probe packets, if
+lost, also do not delay delivery of application data. Their only impact on
+application data is the extent that they consume the congestion window and
+connection flow control credits.

Padding doesn't consume flow control (only the bytes delivered in STREAM frames do).

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Does this address #614? It doesn't seem to do very much (I haven't read 4821 to confirm either way).

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----==_mimepart_59dc6fade4081_40203fc8d5af0f2c100337-- From nobody Tue Oct 10 00:31:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E6AB134FDA for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 00:31:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.753 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.753 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q42owveugpMF for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 00:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E599134FEF for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 00:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 00:28:42 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507620522; bh=ZnuC5ICzjeaBbmcTaOPZ5o0TXriER1MrQsfItK7RSIo=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VaZ/bXdIlkLATvQVExpn+QsvN5d3Ka1dxxuFC2LjGImuzbhG/aE4a9GcVXjG2w6Q8 Ve851qBkMjbW8JNXs8L03UMSh2KKFWgrJoao+aeBtXpq3kGPtMonMDge8dujLdqci+ byKFdpbyEZkaCBU2l4/zljn+i6XcgkzqFIq2sqMs= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] AEAD all packets. Fixed #693, Fixes #840. (#844) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59dc76aac436b_5b553fdedb6def3019973"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 07:31:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59dc76aac436b_5b553fdedb6def3019973 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why the case inconsistency in HKDF "QUIC client cleartext Secret" and ditto server? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/844#issuecomment-335385586 ----==_mimepart_59dc76aac436b_5b553fdedb6def3019973 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Why the case inconsistency in HKDF "QUIC client cleartext Secret" and ditto server?

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OK, thought I'd stay out of this, but regarding Janas comment. It actual= ly matters for communication/logging/debugging.

I fully agree that the ID should be thought of as a binary string, not a= number, similar to how an IV vector is communicated. This means that the I= D is given as a hex value similar to a SHA hash where the first two hex dig= its is the first byte in the string and so forth.

It also matters in the context of AEAD encryption of clear text since it= is being used in the keying material. If it is a number the then numerical= content is different from wire format on little endian machines, but this,= I believe, is not the intent.

That being said, if implementations find it easier to read the field as = a number, who would cares, as long as the keying and external communication= is consistent, and as long as the ID is fixed known byte length with adequ= ate zero padding when numbers are small.

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Sensor networks are severely power limited, and sattelite/balloon to gro= und may also make for an expensive return path due to lack of directed ante= nna. This does not directly translate into congestion control, but is a ban= dwidth constraint nonetheless. Perhaps this aspect is under appreciated in = general congestion control / bandwidth estimation logic?

For ACK's the flow control is different from stream flow because there i= s no upstream application consumer - so in principle the receiver has infin= ite capacity to handle ACKs as long as they reach the receiver timely. Howe= ver, in praxis too frequent ACK's can be cause network interrupts and unnec= essary task switching that can severely constrain a receiver that sends a l= ot of data to many different connections. Such heavy broadcasters might wan= t to receive as few ACK's as possible.

How all this translates into ACK flow control, if at all, I don't know. = But making assumptions on how frequent ACK's ought to be received or should= be sent can be misleading due to the above concerns.

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I has always bothered me that the choice of short/long headers was arbitrary.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2403,6 +2403,15 @@ that it sends.
 Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are
 discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
 
+# Special Considerations for Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery
+
+The PADDING frame provides a useful option for PMTU probe packets that does not
+exist in other transports. QUIC Packets with no frames other than PADDING must be

This line is a tiny bit too long.

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Thanks Mike, tweaked accordingly. > + +Buffering ensures that data is not lost, which improves performance; conversely, +discarding these packets could create false loss signals for the congestion +controllers. However, limiting the number and size of buffered packets might be +needed to prevent exposure to denial of service. + +For clients, any packet that cannot be associated with an existing connection +SHOULD be discarded if it not buffered. Discarded packets MAY be logged for +diagnostic or security purposes. + +For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create +a new connection. However, only packets that use the long packet header and +that are at least the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be +initial packets. Unless the server is buffering 0-RTT packets, a server MUST +discard packets that cannot be associated with a connection if they use the +short header form, or they are smaller than the smallest minimum size for any Oops. I'll fix that. I see the stateless reset text overriding this, but no point having a direct contradiction. > +diagnostic or security purposes. + +For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create +a new connection. However, only packets that use the long packet header and +that are at least the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be +initial packets. Unless the server is buffering 0-RTT packets, a server MUST +discard packets that cannot be associated with a connection if they use the +short header form, or they are smaller than the smallest minimum size for any +version that the server supports. + +This version of QUIC defines a minimum size for initial packets of 1200 octets. +Versions of QUIC that define smaller minimum initial packet sizes need to be +aware that initial packets will be discarded without action by servers that only +support versions with larger minimums. Clients that support multiple QUIC +versions can avoid this problem by ensuring that they increase the size of their +initial packets to the largest minimum size across all of the QUIC versions they Yeah, if the client sends a 256 octet packet, that's never going to trigger a VN packet from the server. That's OK I think. We have a certain incentive to keep the minimum at 1200, and the case you describe is one example of that. > -When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet from the server, it should -select an acceptable protocol version. If the server lists an acceptable -version, the client selects that version and reattempts to create a connection -using that version. Though the contents of a packet might not change in +When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet, it first checks that the +packet number and connection ID match the values it sent in a Client Initial +packet. If this check fails, the packet MUST be discarded. 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Thanks Mike, tweaked accordingly.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+Buffering ensures that data is not lost, which improves performance; conversely,
+discarding these packets could create false loss signals for the congestion
+controllers.  However, limiting the number and size of buffered packets might be
+needed to prevent exposure to denial of service.
+
+For clients, any packet that cannot be associated with an existing connection
+SHOULD be discarded if it not buffered.  Discarded packets MAY be logged for
+diagnostic or security purposes.
+
+For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create
+a new connection.  However, only packets that use the long packet header and
+that are at least the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be
+initial packets.  Unless the server is buffering 0-RTT packets, a server MUST
+discard packets that cannot be associated with a connection if they use the
+short header form, or they are smaller than the smallest minimum size for any

Oops. I'll fix that. I see the stateless reset text overriding this, but no point having a direct contradiction.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +diagnostic or security purposes.
+
+For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create
+a new connection.  However, only packets that use the long packet header and
+that are at least the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be
+initial packets.  Unless the server is buffering 0-RTT packets, a server MUST
+discard packets that cannot be associated with a connection if they use the
+short header form, or they are smaller than the smallest minimum size for any
+version that the server supports.
+
+This version of QUIC defines a minimum size for initial packets of 1200 octets.
+Versions of QUIC that define smaller minimum initial packet sizes need to be
+aware that initial packets will be discarded without action by servers that only
+support versions with larger minimums.  Clients that support multiple QUIC
+versions can avoid this problem by ensuring that they increase the size of their
+initial packets to the largest minimum size across all of the QUIC versions they

Yeah, if the client sends a 256 octet packet, that's never going to trigger a VN packet from the server. That's OK I think. We have a certain incentive to keep the minimum at 1200, and the case you describe is one example of that.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet from the server, it should
-select an acceptable protocol version.  If the server lists an acceptable
-version, the client selects that version and reattempts to create a connection
-using that version.  Though the contents of a packet might not change in
+When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet, it first checks that the
+packet number and connection ID match the values it sent in a Client Initial
+packet.  If this check fails, the packet MUST be discarded.

Yes, I think that is a good tweak.

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----==_mimepart_59dc8f9459df3_2e303f7e4f43ef3888124-- From nobody Tue Oct 10 05:20:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52DA5134DB7 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 05:20:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PhjY8e-b0Kie for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 05:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9472134DE2 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 05:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 05:20:41 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507638041; bh=b9GiDbUJ+gTmVEStTOEwvSmSek16fh3lKlbfDgXr2TE=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xG0UgTJA4wi3AbGdbmrIgwqOLk04TLUKFfyfVWxt5JJNWJqUtzsQIpPu/mpCebiuF H5zu0D/Mz6DrW8wMMmXuoNqkHzsurbZNUt4BM7uQRmE13hswWrTbgWK+uI8Z1YxIe4 82l/XGXvgM8Qf31AiV6oSDah9C2vivvrHQ7mnn7Y= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Padding ACK-only packets (#837) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59dcbb19258ff_28c23fa04bc72f382472f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 12:20:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59dcbb19258ff_28c23fa04bc72f382472f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @huitema I think I'm ok with those three rules, though there are some details to iron out. I'm still a bit concerned about getting congestion blocked on padding, but I don't expect padding only packets to be very common, and if you didn't have any retransmittable data outstanding, then it doesn't really matter if you're not making forward progress for a bit. @martinthomson I don't think we should make specific recommendations on extra bytes we can send/etc for acks. If we want to do congestion control on acks, we should do so by counting acks towards bytes in flight as Christian suggests, and using the existing congestion control algorithm. That being said, congestion controlling acks correctly is hard. If I'm the receiver of a large download and I have a small CWND(ie: 2 MSS) then I need to make sure every few acks get acked, or my download stops. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/837#issuecomment-335454338 ----==_mimepart_59dcbb19258ff_28c23fa04bc72f382472f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@huitema= I think I'm ok with those three rules, though there are some details= to iron out. I'm still a bit concerned about getting congestion blocked= on padding, but I don't expect padding only packets to be very common, a= nd if you didn't have any retransmittable data outstanding, then it doesn= 't really matter if you're not making forward progress for a bit.

@m= artinthomson I don't think we should make specific recommendations on= extra bytes we can send/etc for acks. If we want to do congestion contr= ol on acks, we should do so by counting acks towards bytes in flight as C= hristian suggests, and using the existing congestion control algorithm. That being said, congestion controlling acks correctly is hard. If I'm t= he receiver of a large download and I have a small CWND(ie: 2 MSS) then I= need to make sure every few acks get acked, or my download stops.

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This is also issue #426

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Sounds good, I can't come up with a reason to keep them.

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> does this mean we can get rid of the initial packet number randomiza= tion
> now that this serves as proof-of-onpath?
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But if we remove packet number randomization, do we start with SN=0 or SN=1?

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Ha, interesting. Removing randomization SGTM. And yes, please, please SN=1. 0 is special.

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With the resolution of #693 we no longer need initial packet numbers to be randomized.

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@m= artinthomson I agree that there probably aren't any true deadlock cas= es, but I can probably construct bad corner cases for performance here.

For instance, Alice is sending to Bob, there are frequent packet numbe= r gaps, and Bob is therefore acking liberally. Alice is acking conservati= vely. I could probably end up pacing Alice->Bob by the rate at which A= lice is sending acks to Bob, which in not super intuitive.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2403,6 +2403,15 @@ that it sends.
 Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are
 discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
 
+# Special Considerations for Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery
+
+The PADDING frame provides a useful option for PMTU probe packets that does not
+exist in other transports. QUIC Packets with no frames other than PADDING must be
+acknowledged, but need not be retransmitted if lost. PADDING probe packets, if
+lost, also do not delay delivery of application data. Their only impact on

Perhaps poorly worded, but the subject of the setting is "the loss of PADDING probe packets". Sending them in the first place consumes cwnd, I'll reorder the sentences.

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We agreed in Seattle that it is not. (Or not exclusively.)

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We agreed in Seattle not to remove STOP_SENDING from the transport. There may be a separate proposal to have an application-layer mechanism in addition to STOP_SENDING.

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We didn't really conclude that STOP_SENDING or an analogue wasn't needed at the hq layer, but we did decide that the transport needs the facility. We need a new proposal if anything is going to change.

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Couple of comments. > A server copies the connection ID field from the packet that triggers the stateless reset. A server omits the connection ID if explicitly configured to do so, or if the client packet did not include a connection ID. +The Packet Number field is set to a randomized value. The server SHOULD send a +packet with a short header and a type of 0x01. This produces the shortest +possible packet number encoding, which minimizes the perceived gap between the +last packet that the server sent and this packet. A server MAY use a different +short header type, indicating a different packet number length, but this allows +for the message to be identified as a stateless reset more easily using nit: "this allows for" - I think you mean to say that using a 1-byte packet number makes life easier, but "this" is ambiguous here. Maybe something like: "A server MAY use a different short header type, indicating a different packet number length, but using 0x01 allows for the message to be identified as a stateless reset more easily using heuristics." > @@ -1595,11 +1600,11 @@ CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame if it has sufficient state to do so. #### Detecting a Stateless Reset A client detects a potential stateless reset when a packet with a short header -cannot be decrypted. The client then performs a constant-time comparison of the -16 octets that follow the Connection ID with the Stateless Reset Token provided -by the server in its transport parameters. If this comparison is successful, -the connection MUST be terminated immediately. Otherwise, the packet can be -discarded. +either cannot be decrypted or is marked as a potential duplicate. The client +then performs a constant-time comparison of the last 16 octets of the packet +with the Stateless Reset Token provided by the server in its transport +parameters. If this comparison is successful, the connection MUST be terminated Perhaps "all connection state MUST be discarded." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/842#pullrequestreview-68450033 ----==_mimepart_59dd4f8157385_603c3ff807014f3424384 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

Couple of comments.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  A server copies the connection ID field from the packet that triggers the
 stateless reset.  A server omits the connection ID if explicitly configured to
 do so, or if the client packet did not include a connection ID.
 
+The Packet Number field is set to a randomized value.  The server SHOULD send a
+packet with a short header and a type of 0x01.  This produces the shortest
+possible packet number encoding, which minimizes the perceived gap between the
+last packet that the server sent and this packet.  A server MAY use a different
+short header type, indicating a different packet number length, but this allows
+for the message to be identified as a stateless reset more easily using

nit: "this allows for" - I think you mean to say that using a 1-byte packet number makes life easier, but "this" is ambiguous here. Maybe something like: "A server MAY use a different short header type, indicating a different packet number length, but using 0x01 allows for the message to be identified as a stateless reset more easily using heuristics."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1595,11 +1600,11 @@ CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame if it has sufficient state to do so.
 #### Detecting a Stateless Reset
 
 A client detects a potential stateless reset when a packet with a short header
-cannot be decrypted.  The client then performs a constant-time comparison of the
-16 octets that follow the Connection ID with the Stateless Reset Token provided
-by the server in its transport parameters.  If this comparison is successful,
-the connection MUST be terminated immediately.  Otherwise, the packet can be
-discarded.
+either cannot be decrypted or is marked as a potential duplicate.  The client
+then performs a constant-time comparison of the last 16 octets of the packet
+with the Stateless Reset Token provided by the server in its transport
+parameters.  If this comparison is successful, the connection MUST be terminated

Perhaps "all connection state MUST be discarded."

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Taking this for now, on the understanding that we want to properly fix this later.

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Merged the non-obsolete bit manually.

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LGTM. > A server copies the connection ID field from the packet that triggers the stateless reset. A server omits the connection ID if explicitly configured to do so, or if the client packet did not include a connection ID. +The Packet Number field is set to a randomized value. The server SHOULD send a +packet with a short header and a type of 0x01. This produces the shortest +possible packet number encoding, which minimizes the perceived gap between the +last packet that the server sent and this packet. A server MAY use a different +short header type, indicating a different packet number length, but this allows +for the message to be identified as a stateless reset more easily using It's not the identification we care about, but the fact that an observer could identify the SR by seeing a packet number jump. If the number is only eight bits long, then it's harder for an observer to infer a large jump. > @@ -1595,11 +1600,11 @@ CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame if it has sufficient state to do so. #### Detecting a Stateless Reset A client detects a potential stateless reset when a packet with a short header -cannot be decrypted. The client then performs a constant-time comparison of the -16 octets that follow the Connection ID with the Stateless Reset Token provided -by the server in its transport parameters. If this comparison is successful, -the connection MUST be terminated immediately. Otherwise, the packet can be -discarded. +either cannot be decrypted or is marked as a potential duplicate. The client +then performs a constant-time comparison of the last 16 octets of the packet +with the Stateless Reset Token provided by the server in its transport +parameters. If this comparison is successful, the connection MUST be terminated Any of the above seem fine for now; we'll want to tie this in with @janaiyengar's Unified Theory of Connection Closure when that lands. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/842#pullrequestreview-68452414 ----==_mimepart_59dd529bb7e81_131523fb95601af284957e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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LGTM.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  A server copies the connection ID field from the packet that triggers the
 stateless reset.  A server omits the connection ID if explicitly configured to
 do so, or if the client packet did not include a connection ID.
 
+The Packet Number field is set to a randomized value.  The server SHOULD send a
+packet with a short header and a type of 0x01.  This produces the shortest
+possible packet number encoding, which minimizes the perceived gap between the
+last packet that the server sent and this packet.  A server MAY use a different
+short header type, indicating a different packet number length, but this allows
+for the message to be identified as a stateless reset more easily using

It's not the identification we care about, but the fact that an observer could identify the SR by seeing a packet number jump. If the number is only eight bits long, then it's harder for an observer to infer a large jump.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1595,11 +1600,11 @@ CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame if it has sufficient state to do so.
 #### Detecting a Stateless Reset
 
 A client detects a potential stateless reset when a packet with a short header
-cannot be decrypted.  The client then performs a constant-time comparison of the
-16 octets that follow the Connection ID with the Stateless Reset Token provided
-by the server in its transport parameters.  If this comparison is successful,
-the connection MUST be terminated immediately.  Otherwise, the packet can be
-discarded.
+either cannot be decrypted or is marked as a potential duplicate.  The client
+then performs a constant-time comparison of the last 16 octets of the packet
+with the Stateless Reset Token provided by the server in its transport
+parameters.  If this comparison is successful, the connection MUST be terminated

Any of the above seem fine for now; we'll want to tie this in with @janaiyengar's Unified Theory of Connection Closure when that lands.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  A server copies the connection ID field from the packet that triggers the
 stateless reset.  A server omits the connection ID if explicitly configured to
 do so, or if the client packet did not include a connection ID.
 
+The Packet Number field is set to a randomized value.  The server SHOULD send a
+packet with a short header and a type of 0x01.  This produces the shortest
+possible packet number encoding, which minimizes the perceived gap between the
+last packet that the server sent and this packet.  A server MAY use a different
+short header type, indicating a different packet number length, but this allows
+for the message to be identified as a stateless reset more easily using

Or rather, we're not trying to make identification easy for the client, we're trying to make it hard for everyone else.

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Ahh, I see the problem now. @janaiyengar I will create a new PR for this one.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -907,9 +896,9 @@ When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet from the server, it should
 select an acceptable protocol version.  If the server lists an acceptable
 version, the client selects that version and reattempts to create a connection
 using that version.  Though the contents of a packet might not change in
-response to version negotiation, a client MUST increase the packet number it
-uses on every packet it sends.  Packets MUST continue to use long headers and
-MUST include the new negotiated protocol version.
+response to version negotiation, a client MUST increase the packet number by one

This requirement of increment by 1 is broken around migration. This should probably make an exception for that, with a pointer to Section 7.6... but that's probably an overkill. How about "a client MUST increase the packet number by one for every packet it sends in response to version negotiation."

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See #723 for a full discussion.

Closes #211 (finally).

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@MikeBishop requested changes on this pull request.

One apparent bug, otherwise fine.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-|   Reason Phrase Length (16)   |      [Reason Phrase (*)]    ...
+|                      Reason Phrase Length (*)               ...

Two length fields, no value field.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3099,10 +3099,11 @@ See {{iana-error-codes}} for details of registering new error codes.
 
 ## Application Protocol Error Codes {#app-error-codes}
 
-Application protocol error codes are 32-bits long, but the management of
-application error codes are left to application protocols.  Application protocol
-error codes are used for the RST_STREAM ({{frame-rst-stream}}) and
-APPLICATION_CLOSE ({{frame-application-close}}) frames.
+Application protocol error codes are 16 bit unsigned integers, but the

"16-bit," no?

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At the Seattle interim, we agreed to simplify connection shutdown by removing the ability to send acknowledgments during the draining period. An endpoint is only able to send packets that include CONNECTION_CLOSE/APPLICATION_CLOSE.

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An endpoint can use the APPLICATION_CLOSE/CONNECTION_CLOSE frame to exit this state early (it's a kind of ACK). 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An endpoint can use the APPLICATION_CLOSE/CONNECTION_CLOSE frame to exit this state early (it's a kind of ACK). Closes #852. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/853 -- Commit Summary -- * Remove ACKs from draining period -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (21) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/853.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/853.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/853 ----==_mimepart_59dd56eda5f9c_1bbd3fa19d18af28508bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

As agreed at the interim, this removes the ability to acknowledge during the
draining period. An endpoint can use the APPLICATION_CLOSE/CONNECTION_CLOSE
frame to exit this state early (it's a kind of ACK).

Closes #852.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/853

Commit Summary

  • Remove ACKs from draining period

File Changes

Patch Links:

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At the Seattle interim we concluded that it was important to signal a close to intermediaries (those that have the keys, that is). This allows application endpoints to reach an agreed close state and then terminate the transport without leaving the middlebox on a timer.

In short, once the application protocol has reached a terminal state, it will signal using APPLICATION_CLOSE (some code, maybe NO_ERROR).

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This might help with #426, but maybe not completely. Short headers still potentially conflict with ZRTP, for example. I'd keep #426 open even if we resolve this.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  A server copies the connection ID field from the packet that triggers the
 stateless reset.  A server omits the connection ID if explicitly configured to
 do so, or if the client packet did not include a connection ID.
 
+The Packet Number field is set to a randomized value.  The server SHOULD send a
+packet with a short header and a type of 0x01.  This produces the shortest
+possible packet number encoding, which minimizes the perceived gap between the
+last packet that the server sent and this packet.  A server MAY use a different
+short header type, indicating a different packet number length, but this allows
+for the message to be identified as a stateless reset more easily using

Yeah, but I take the comment- I will revise along the lines suggested.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1595,11 +1600,11 @@ CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame if it has sufficient state to do so.
 #### Detecting a Stateless Reset
 
 A client detects a potential stateless reset when a packet with a short header
-cannot be decrypted.  The client then performs a constant-time comparison of the
-16 octets that follow the Connection ID with the Stateless Reset Token provided
-by the server in its transport parameters.  If this comparison is successful,
-the connection MUST be terminated immediately.  Otherwise, the packet can be
-discarded.
+either cannot be decrypted or is marked as a potential duplicate.  The client
+then performs a constant-time comparison of the last 16 octets of the packet
+with the Stateless Reset Token provided by the server in its transport
+parameters.  If this comparison is successful, the connection MUST be terminated

You can't discard state if you are going to enter the draining period. But we don't need draining, we just need to stop. (Any subsequent stateless resets we get will get discarded according to our new packet handling rules.)

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -907,9 +896,9 @@ When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet from the server, it should
 select an acceptable protocol version.  If the server lists an acceptable
 version, the client selects that version and reattempts to create a connection
 using that version.  Though the contents of a packet might not change in
-response to version negotiation, a client MUST increase the packet number it
-uses on every packet it sends.  Packets MUST continue to use long headers and
-MUST include the new negotiated protocol version.
+response to version negotiation, a client MUST increase the packet number by one

Right, though you won't be migrating during version negotiation, so your fix works.

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As agreed, this moves the graceful shutdown under the banner of an immediate
close. That is, the application protocol negotiates a shutdown. Once the
agreed state has been reached, endpoints send APPLICATION_CLOSE and we are
done.

Closes #854.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/855

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  • Remove application close

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Minor nits. I'm fine with this change. > -In order to prevent tampering by version-unaware middleboxes, Cleartext -packets are protected with a connection and version specific key, as -described in {{QUIC-TLS}}. This protection does not provide confidentiality -or integrity against on-path attackers, but provides some level of -protection against off-path attackers. +In order to prevent tampering by version-unaware middleboxes, handshake packets +are protected with a connection and version specific key, as described in "connection- and version-specific" > for stream 0 containing a cryptographic handshake message, with enough PADDING frames that the packet is at least 1200 octets (see {{packetization}}). The stream in this packet always starts at an offset of 0 (see {{stateless-retry}}) and the complete cryptographic handshake message MUST fit in a single packet (see {{handshake}}). -The client uses the Client Initial Packet type for any packet that contains an -initial cryptographic handshake message. This includes all cases where a new -packet containing the initial cryptographic message needs to be created, this -includes the packets sent after receiving a Version Negotiation -({{packet-version}}) or Server Stateless Retry packet -({{packet-server-stateless}}). +The client uses the Initial Packet type for any packet that contains an initial Some capitalization inconsistency between "Initial Packet" and "Initial packet". Might be worth a quick pass to decide which system you intend to use. > @@ -805,8 +787,8 @@ an unsupported version. # Frames and Frame Types {#frames} -The payload of cleartext packets and the plaintext after decryption of protected -payloads consists of a sequence of frames, as shown in {{packet-frames}}. +The payload of Initial, Handshake and all protected packets consists of a Since Initial and Handshake packets are also semi-protected, we might be able to get the specific list out entirely. The payload of all packet types, after removing packet protection, consists of..." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/847#pullrequestreview-68460969 ----==_mimepart_59dd60bc29ade_32f73fbb32616f349276c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@MikeBishop approved this pull request.

Minor nits. I'm fine with this change.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-In order to prevent tampering by version-unaware middleboxes, Cleartext
-packets are protected with a connection and version specific key, as
-described in {{QUIC-TLS}}. This protection does not provide confidentiality
-or integrity against on-path attackers, but provides some level of
-protection against off-path attackers.
+In order to prevent tampering by version-unaware middleboxes, handshake packets
+are protected with a connection and version specific key, as described in

"connection- and version-specific"

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  for stream 0 containing a cryptographic handshake message, with enough PADDING
 frames that the packet is at least 1200 octets (see {{packetization}}).  The
 stream in this packet always starts at an offset of 0 (see {{stateless-retry}})
 and the complete cryptographic handshake message MUST fit in a single packet
 (see {{handshake}}).
 
-The client uses the Client Initial Packet type for any packet that contains an
-initial cryptographic handshake message.  This includes all cases where a new
-packet containing the initial cryptographic message needs to be created, this
-includes the packets sent after receiving a Version Negotiation
-({{packet-version}}) or Server Stateless Retry packet
-({{packet-server-stateless}}).
+The client uses the Initial Packet type for any packet that contains an initial

Some capitalization inconsistency between "Initial Packet" and "Initial packet". Might be worth a quick pass to decide which system you intend to use.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -805,8 +787,8 @@ an unsupported version.
 
 # Frames and Frame Types {#frames}
 
-The payload of cleartext packets and the plaintext after decryption of protected
-payloads consists of a sequence of frames, as shown in {{packet-frames}}.
+The payload of Initial, Handshake and all protected packets consists of a

Since Initial and Handshake packets are also semi-protected, we might be able to get the specific list out entirely. The payload of all packet types, after removing packet protection, consists of..."

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1462,11 +1462,14 @@ The draining period persists for three times the current Retransmission Timeout
 can be acknowledged, but no new application data can be sent on the connection.
 
 Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is
-in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  In all
-cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but
-other reactions might be preferable depending on how the connection was closed.
-An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets containing frames
-other than ACK, PADDING, or CONNECTION_CLOSE.
+in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  An endpoint
+that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame.

This looks fine, but what's APPLICATION_CLOSE. Did I miss that from another PR?

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----==_mimepart_59dd6377382ea_ab43ffa29fc0f2c5175-- From nobody Tue Oct 10 17:27:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 611001346EE for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 17:27:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wQkEoAwzjcnk for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 17:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5CF36134613 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 17:26:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=sB19u7eqEHs6hGbFcvyzNgK18Ak=; b=D8LMgjzuw7i73fKN QJSULYpFOAO33xdAeW+0KvrgQRPY4dCFd8c6LQWokGS7wlVdvf40Dlnxg7POYfNH dmevJEnEUozlPG100dCDjmZ2j+9ykILkb7IZv+mVw0BEgdApyELqT/erdwHSqMmm 88wSOawTDY5fMAYktbf5/g5NM28= Received: by filter0944p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0944p1mdw1-9767-59DD654D-17 2017-10-11 00:26:53.396250089 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id Z2iC1mGLTwqydjgl7Trg_w for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 00:26:53.287 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 00:26:53 +0000 (UTC) From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Move stateless reset token to the end (#842) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59dd654d28320_5f653fb5b2f12f28475e2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0c9bV0vf/UDvsO23DWrO3c11pt90jyI4k/hq sXRyzTLl4YZJakVEcPX1vKEoCupd5K6iTetxbn1QR1N5Sl2PHIYOZ7XMa66GToXU+bRhaJXT20lqCc vpep5BBD92HxTyyTGLTxpgelRUZfVuwtl6X6s72hWfNEii3tluB/595qag== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 00:27:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59dd654d28320_5f653fb5b2f12f28475e2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. A few small suggestions. > @@ -1595,11 +1601,12 @@ CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame if it has sufficient state to do so. #### Detecting a Stateless Reset A client detects a potential stateless reset when a packet with a short header -cannot be decrypted. The client then performs a constant-time comparison of the -16 octets that follow the Connection ID with the Stateless Reset Token provided -by the server in its transport parameters. If this comparison is successful, -the connection MUST be terminated immediately. Otherwise, the packet can be -discarded. +either cannot be decrypted or is marked as a potential duplicate. The client nit: I'd go with "is marked as a duplicate packet." > @@ -1595,11 +1601,12 @@ CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame if it has sufficient state to do so. #### Detecting a Stateless Reset A client detects a potential stateless reset when a packet with a short header -cannot be decrypted. The client then performs a constant-time comparison of the -16 octets that follow the Connection ID with the Stateless Reset Token provided -by the server in its transport parameters. If this comparison is successful, -the connection MUST be terminated immediately. Otherwise, the packet can be -discarded. +either cannot be decrypted or is marked as a potential duplicate. The client +then performs a constant-time comparison of the last 16 octets of the packet Is it necessary to mention it's constant time? > @@ -1595,11 +1601,12 @@ CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame if it has sufficient state to do so. #### Detecting a Stateless Reset A client detects a potential stateless reset when a packet with a short header -cannot be decrypted. The client then performs a constant-time comparison of the -16 octets that follow the Connection ID with the Stateless Reset Token provided -by the server in its transport parameters. If this comparison is successful, -the connection MUST be terminated immediately. Otherwise, the packet can be -discarded. +either cannot be decrypted or is marked as a potential duplicate. The client +then performs a constant-time comparison of the last 16 octets of the packet +with the Stateless Reset Token provided by the server in its transport +parameters. If this comparison is successful, the client MUST discard all Instead of successful, how about "If they are identical" ? > @@ -1595,11 +1601,12 @@ CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame if it has sufficient state to do so. #### Detecting a Stateless Reset A client detects a potential stateless reset when a packet with a short header -cannot be decrypted. The client then performs a constant-time comparison of the -16 octets that follow the Connection ID with the Stateless Reset Token provided -by the server in its transport parameters. If this comparison is successful, -the connection MUST be terminated immediately. Otherwise, the packet can be -discarded. +either cannot be decrypted or is marked as a potential duplicate. The client +then performs a constant-time comparison of the last 16 octets of the packet +with the Stateless Reset Token provided by the server in its transport +parameters. If this comparison is successful, the client MUST discard all +connection state and not send any further packets on this connection. If the +comparison is unsuccessful, the packet can be discarded. is unsuccessful => fails? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/842#pullrequestreview-68464290 ----==_mimepart_59dd654d28320_5f653fb5b2f12f28475e2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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A few small suggestions.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1595,11 +1601,12 @@ CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame if it has sufficient state to do so.
 #### Detecting a Stateless Reset
 
 A client detects a potential stateless reset when a packet with a short header
-cannot be decrypted.  The client then performs a constant-time comparison of the
-16 octets that follow the Connection ID with the Stateless Reset Token provided
-by the server in its transport parameters.  If this comparison is successful,
-the connection MUST be terminated immediately.  Otherwise, the packet can be
-discarded.
+either cannot be decrypted or is marked as a potential duplicate.  The client

nit: I'd go with "is marked as a duplicate packet."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1595,11 +1601,12 @@ CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame if it has sufficient state to do so.
 #### Detecting a Stateless Reset
 
 A client detects a potential stateless reset when a packet with a short header
-cannot be decrypted.  The client then performs a constant-time comparison of the
-16 octets that follow the Connection ID with the Stateless Reset Token provided
-by the server in its transport parameters.  If this comparison is successful,
-the connection MUST be terminated immediately.  Otherwise, the packet can be
-discarded.
+either cannot be decrypted or is marked as a potential duplicate.  The client
+then performs a constant-time comparison of the last 16 octets of the packet

Is it necessary to mention it's constant time?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1595,11 +1601,12 @@ CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame if it has sufficient state to do so.
 #### Detecting a Stateless Reset
 
 A client detects a potential stateless reset when a packet with a short header
-cannot be decrypted.  The client then performs a constant-time comparison of the
-16 octets that follow the Connection ID with the Stateless Reset Token provided
-by the server in its transport parameters.  If this comparison is successful,
-the connection MUST be terminated immediately.  Otherwise, the packet can be
-discarded.
+either cannot be decrypted or is marked as a potential duplicate.  The client
+then performs a constant-time comparison of the last 16 octets of the packet
+with the Stateless Reset Token provided by the server in its transport
+parameters.  If this comparison is successful, the client MUST discard all

Instead of successful, how about "If they are identical" ?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1595,11 +1601,12 @@ CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame if it has sufficient state to do so.
 #### Detecting a Stateless Reset
 
 A client detects a potential stateless reset when a packet with a short header
-cannot be decrypted.  The client then performs a constant-time comparison of the
-16 octets that follow the Connection ID with the Stateless Reset Token provided
-by the server in its transport parameters.  If this comparison is successful,
-the connection MUST be terminated immediately.  Otherwise, the packet can be
-discarded.
+either cannot be decrypted or is marked as a potential duplicate.  The client
+then performs a constant-time comparison of the last 16 octets of the packet
+with the Stateless Reset Token provided by the server in its transport
+parameters.  If this comparison is successful, the client MUST discard all
+connection state and not send any further packets on this connection. If the
+comparison is unsuccessful, the packet can be discarded.

is unsuccessful => fails?

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -610,11 +612,11 @@ As TLS reports the availability of keying material, the packet protection keys
 and initialization vectors (IVs) are updated (see {{key-expansion}}).  The
 selection of AEAD function is also updated to match the AEAD negotiated by TLS.
 
-For packets other than any unprotected handshake packets (see {{cleartext-hs}}),
-once a change of keys has been made, packets with higher packet numbers MUST be
-sent with the new keying material.  The KEY_PHASE bit on these packets is
-inverted each time new keys are installed to signal the use of the new keys to
-the recipient (see {{key-phases}} for details).
+For packets other than any handshake packets (see {{hs-protection}}), once a
+change of keys has been made, packets with higher packet numbers MUST be sent
+with the new keying material.  The KEY_PHASE bit on these packets is inverted

Why would one want to send more handshake packets without 1RTT keys once 1RTT keys have been established?

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A few small comments. > +If the version of these packets is acceptable to the server, it MAY buffer these +packets in anticipation of receiving a reordered Client Initial packet. + +Buffering ensures that data is not lost, which improves performance; conversely, +discarding these packets could create false loss signals for the congestion +controllers. However, limiting the number and size of buffered packets might be +needed to prevent exposure to denial of service. + +For clients, any packet that cannot be associated with an existing connection +SHOULD be discarded if it not buffered. Discarded packets MAY be logged for +diagnostic or security purposes. + +For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create +a new connection. However, only packets that use the long packet header and +that are at least the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be +initial packets. Unless the server is buffering 0-RTT packets, a server MUST It seems worth mentioning packet type as well here, since there are only two packet types that carry client hellos. > +needed to prevent exposure to denial of service. + +For clients, any packet that cannot be associated with an existing connection +SHOULD be discarded if it not buffered. Discarded packets MAY be logged for +diagnostic or security purposes. + +For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create +a new connection. However, only packets that use the long packet header and +that are at least the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be +initial packets. Unless the server is buffering 0-RTT packets, a server MUST +either discard a packet or generate a stateless reset ({{stateless-reset}}) if +the packet cannot be associated with a connection if they use the short header +form, or they are smaller than the smallest minimum size for any version that +the server supports. + +This version of QUIC defines a minimum size for initial packets of 1200 octets. What has to be 1200 bytes? Is this including or excluding IP + UDP overhead? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/724#pullrequestreview-68467581 ----==_mimepart_59dd6ba84128b_1d65f3ff9d341cf2852b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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A few small comments.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +If the version of these packets is acceptable to the server, it MAY buffer these
+packets in anticipation of receiving a reordered Client Initial packet.
+
+Buffering ensures that data is not lost, which improves performance; conversely,
+discarding these packets could create false loss signals for the congestion
+controllers.  However, limiting the number and size of buffered packets might be
+needed to prevent exposure to denial of service.
+
+For clients, any packet that cannot be associated with an existing connection
+SHOULD be discarded if it not buffered.  Discarded packets MAY be logged for
+diagnostic or security purposes.
+
+For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create
+a new connection.  However, only packets that use the long packet header and
+that are at least the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be
+initial packets.  Unless the server is buffering 0-RTT packets, a server MUST

It seems worth mentioning packet type as well here, since there are only two packet types that carry client hellos.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +needed to prevent exposure to denial of service.
+
+For clients, any packet that cannot be associated with an existing connection
+SHOULD be discarded if it not buffered.  Discarded packets MAY be logged for
+diagnostic or security purposes.
+
+For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create
+a new connection.  However, only packets that use the long packet header and
+that are at least the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be
+initial packets.  Unless the server is buffering 0-RTT packets, a server MUST
+either discard a packet or generate a stateless reset ({{stateless-reset}}) if
+the packet cannot be associated with a connection if they use the short header
+form, or they are smaller than the smallest minimum size for any version that
+the server supports.
+
+This version of QUIC defines a minimum size for initial packets of 1200 octets.

What has to be 1200 bytes? Is this including or excluding IP + UDP overhead?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1462,11 +1462,14 @@ The draining period persists for three times the current Retransmission Timeout
 can be acknowledged, but no new application data can be sent on the connection.
 
 Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is
-in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  In all
-cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but
-other reactions might be preferable depending on how the connection was closed.
-An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets containing frames
-other than ACK, PADDING, or CONNECTION_CLOSE.
+in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  An endpoint
+that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame.

See #722.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -610,11 +612,11 @@ As TLS reports the availability of keying material, the packet protection keys
 and initialization vectors (IVs) are updated (see {{key-expansion}}).  The
 selection of AEAD function is also updated to match the AEAD negotiated by TLS.
 
-For packets other than any unprotected handshake packets (see {{cleartext-hs}}),
-once a change of keys has been made, packets with higher packet numbers MUST be
-sent with the new keying material.  The KEY_PHASE bit on these packets is
-inverted each time new keys are installed to signal the use of the new keys to
-the recipient (see {{key-phases}} for details).
+For packets other than any handshake packets (see {{hs-protection}}), once a
+change of keys has been made, packets with higher packet numbers MUST be sent
+with the new keying material.  The KEY_PHASE bit on these packets is inverted

Not sure what you mean. This says that if you change keys, then you need to use the new keys and not the old ones.

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Server packets are protected with a different key to that used for client packets, so a server will be unable to process a packet from another server as though it were a client packet (not that this was possible anyway given that we have a different type for the initial packet). Consequently, I have renamed packets to use shorter names and to better fit their roles: * Client Initial -> Initial * Server Stateless Retry -> Retry (also avoids confusion with Stateless Reset) * Server Cleartext -> Handshake * Client Cleartext -> Handshake I've rephrased the text in the TLS spec to match. The only functional change here is to consolidate Server and Client Cleartext into a single codepoint. I did renumber the 0-RTT and 1-RTT protected packets as a result. Closes #846. Commit: 2d80e8f6511b57cecabf1edc8819b6529fd9d4aa https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2d80e8f6511b57cecabf1edc8819b6529fd9d4aa Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-11 (Wed, 11 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Handshake, not connection setup Commit: 070a4b016f56bb4d0cf0b15a8b10baf3afb2a27b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/070a4b016f56bb4d0cf0b15a8b10baf3afb2a27b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-11 (Wed, 11 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Nits Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/57f2fb2e6b07...070a4b016f56 ----==_mimepart_59dd8757bc8ae_16223fab75d3fc381045bc-- From nobody Tue Oct 10 19:55:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91B3D13239C for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 19:55:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B4Fx0QOg06ri for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 19:55:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext8.iad.github.net [192.30.252.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02FF8126C0F for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 19:55:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 19:55:10 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507690510; bh=UmaV2r+eETxfdSmyVbzFZaTjVPOPyt1rWxzJ6TjId1E=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=QP3A1LHTinL/I/v4YADjAwX0eF3O9HVkJNsHhGH+f/l6xLcFA4tcbHkL6nDud59q/ QP3FXCMao/9yPaBkDkgw4zDNvjF30p0QwxyqNkV8WxCkPh8y2ksC2Lc1x/F243jycs Mr9TIoXV62fHtNpJLl3ebcamfvqc/KTm2Sq2I6Pk= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Define requirements for handling packets (#724) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59dd880e5a9af_4e8a3f7f09dc0f38100b4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 02:55:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59dd880e5a9af_4e8a3f7f09dc0f38100b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > +needed to prevent exposure to denial of service. + +For clients, any packet that cannot be associated with an existing connection +SHOULD be discarded if it not buffered. Discarded packets MAY be logged for +diagnostic or security purposes. + +For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create +a new connection. However, only packets that use the long packet header and +that are at least the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be +initial packets. Unless the server is buffering 0-RTT packets, a server MUST +either discard a packet or generate a stateless reset ({{stateless-reset}}) if +the packet cannot be associated with a connection if they use the short header +form, or they are smaller than the smallest minimum size for any version that +the server supports. + +This version of QUIC defines a minimum size for initial packets of 1200 octets. That is defined elsewhere. I'm starting to think that we need to consolidate that text, it's all over the place. (Another patch though.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +needed to prevent exposure to denial of service.
+
+For clients, any packet that cannot be associated with an existing connection
+SHOULD be discarded if it not buffered.  Discarded packets MAY be logged for
+diagnostic or security purposes.
+
+For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create
+a new connection.  However, only packets that use the long packet header and
+that are at least the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be
+initial packets.  Unless the server is buffering 0-RTT packets, a server MUST
+either discard a packet or generate a stateless reset ({{stateless-reset}}) if
+the packet cannot be associated with a connection if they use the short header
+form, or they are smaller than the smallest minimum size for any version that
+the server supports.
+
+This version of QUIC defines a minimum size for initial packets of 1200 octets.

That is defined elsewhere. I'm starting to think that we need to consolidate that text, it's all over the place. (Another patch though.)

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However, limiting the number and size of buffered packets might be +needed to prevent exposure to denial of service. + +For clients, any packet that cannot be associated with an existing connection +SHOULD be discarded if it not buffered. Discarded packets MAY be logged for +diagnostic or security purposes. + +For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create +a new connection. However, only packets that use the long packet header and +that are at least the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be +initial packets. Unless the server is buffering 0-RTT packets, a server MUST There is only one type of packet that could be an initial packet. However... this allows for the possibility of defining a new version of the protocol that has more than one type. We decided not to make the initial packet type something that is invariant across versions though. 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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +If the version of these packets is acceptable to the server, it MAY buffer these
+packets in anticipation of receiving a reordered Client Initial packet.
+
+Buffering ensures that data is not lost, which improves performance; conversely,
+discarding these packets could create false loss signals for the congestion
+controllers.  However, limiting the number and size of buffered packets might be
+needed to prevent exposure to denial of service.
+
+For clients, any packet that cannot be associated with an existing connection
+SHOULD be discarded if it not buffered.  Discarded packets MAY be logged for
+diagnostic or security purposes.
+
+For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create
+a new connection.  However, only packets that use the long packet header and
+that are at least the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be
+initial packets.  Unless the server is buffering 0-RTT packets, a server MUST

There is only one type of packet that could be an initial packet. However... this allows for the possibility of defining a new version of the protocol that has more than one type. We decided not to make the initial packet type something that is invariant across versions though.

If you want to make it an invariant (and potentially prevent new versions from defining multiple opening packet types), then it's probably best to open an issue for that.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +* When an RTO alarm fires, RTO is set to twice its current value.
+
+The sender typically incurs a high latency penalty when an RTO is encountered,
+and this penalty increases exponentially in subsequent consecutive RTOs. Sending
+a single RTO packet therefore makes the connection very sensitive to single
+packet loss. Sending two packets instead of one significantly increases
+resilience to packet drop in both directions, thus reducing the probability of
+consecutive RTOs.
+
+QUIC's RTO algorithm differs from TCP in that an RTO alarm event is not
+considered a strong enough signal of packet loss. An RTO alarm fires only when
+there's a prolonged period of network silence, which could be caused by a change
+in the underlying network RTT.
+
+When an ack is received after one or more consecutive RTO alarm events, any
+packets with lower packet numbers than those acked MUST be marked as lost.

I've modified the text here, PTAL.

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I think that the sort of close you have in mind relies on the timeout. = That is, neither side explicitly closes the connection, but they just don't= get back to it.

What this covers is more the case where you have agreed to finish a cert= ain set of requests - for example - and you are probably actively exchangin= g data up to the point where you are done. This says that if you want to d= rop the idle timer, you need to send a message (see the issue for more disc= ussion on why that might be needed).

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The selection of AEAD function is also updated to match the AEAD negotiated by TLS. -For packets other than any unprotected handshake packets (see {{cleartext-hs}}), -once a change of keys has been made, packets with higher packet numbers MUST be -sent with the new keying material. The KEY_PHASE bit on these packets is -inverted each time new keys are installed to signal the use of the new keys to -the recipient (see {{key-phases}} for details). +For packets other than any handshake packets (see {{hs-protection}}), once a +change of keys has been made, packets with higher packet numbers MUST be sent +with the new keying material. The KEY_PHASE bit on these packets is inverted Nevermind, I'd been up since 3AM and ran out of brain. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -610,11 +612,11 @@ As TLS reports the availability of keying material, the packet protection keys
 and initialization vectors (IVs) are updated (see {{key-expansion}}).  The
 selection of AEAD function is also updated to match the AEAD negotiated by TLS.
 
-For packets other than any unprotected handshake packets (see {{cleartext-hs}}),
-once a change of keys has been made, packets with higher packet numbers MUST be
-sent with the new keying material.  The KEY_PHASE bit on these packets is
-inverted each time new keys are installed to signal the use of the new keys to
-the recipient (see {{key-phases}} for details).
+For packets other than any handshake packets (see {{hs-protection}}), once a
+change of keys has been made, packets with higher packet numbers MUST be sent
+with the new keying material.  The KEY_PHASE bit on these packets is inverted

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1462,11 +1462,14 @@ The draining period persists for three times the current Retransmission Timeout
 can be acknowledged, but no new application data can be sent on the connection.
 
 Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is
-in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  In all
-cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but
-other reactions might be preferable depending on how the connection was closed.
-An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets containing frames
-other than ACK, PADDING, or CONNECTION_CLOSE.
+in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  An endpoint
+that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame.

I saw that PR go by, but the description didn't mention a new frame type. I'm not super opposed, but I definitely wasn't expecting it.

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----==_mimepart_59de18bb30137_698a3fc90c94af3856012-- From nobody Wed Oct 11 06:13:43 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3EDD13318B for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 06:13:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EWjHIsvLUHTl for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 06:13:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1809C1330BF for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 06:13:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=mz+th7oPUcEt2tpV20u0KU2dB+U=; b=YAQ2OEzKuEdbiNtH GeXVgAAVXGi2LjLx6xVHvBJn+YBxX+v04nv7BiQEz4Uhj+biYRkf5TXNO7eE5v18 EyOBTbtWt2I02sSx0G7aQAkW5c2IBAsM/UFeDvJCC2Bu3Y0WS++tCvz7sFVePUTL OwxK8oComMxKUePlib4CzNtY60g= Received: by filter0094p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0094p1iad2-3297-59DE1902-C 2017-10-11 13:13:38.137054657 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0008p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id qYJXGfmcSaCKCiRhUI5lDA for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:13:38.112 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:13:38 +0000 (UTC) From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Define requirements for handling packets (#724) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59de1901f0ef1_54c43fd7e449af388151d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1P+8DhwxZa4y/VCWOxIWNUxfsx28+fcGm0LY LtwWam1iTWDmyKjQILNPIg4Sk+8Z/q+5r7Wb4bLXHZRFWsdZRfZYcHTYQ74xco5kaK2KymSjzpch/3 D2DKQhJdK0Ar04yXjYmnMvJmVNjzJWEjLcaKi2OugHjViVTPERX65aNeWjtPaYjUYLKxC6jmvcKsda g= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:13:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59de1901f0ef1_54c43fd7e449af388151d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. > +If the version of these packets is acceptable to the server, it MAY buffer these +packets in anticipation of receiving a reordered Client Initial packet. + +Buffering ensures that data is not lost, which improves performance; conversely, +discarding these packets could create false loss signals for the congestion +controllers. However, limiting the number and size of buffered packets might be +needed to prevent exposure to denial of service. + +For clients, any packet that cannot be associated with an existing connection +SHOULD be discarded if it not buffered. Discarded packets MAY be logged for +diagnostic or security purposes. + +For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create +a new connection. However, only packets that use the long packet header and +that are at least the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be +initial packets. Unless the server is buffering 0-RTT packets, a server MUST Fair point, I'm happy with this as is. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/724#discussion_r144006104 ----==_mimepart_59de1901f0ef1_54c43fd7e449af388151d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +If the version of these packets is acceptable to the server, it MAY buffer these
+packets in anticipation of receiving a reordered Client Initial packet.
+
+Buffering ensures that data is not lost, which improves performance; conversely,
+discarding these packets could create false loss signals for the congestion
+controllers.  However, limiting the number and size of buffered packets might be
+needed to prevent exposure to denial of service.
+
+For clients, any packet that cannot be associated with an existing connection
+SHOULD be discarded if it not buffered.  Discarded packets MAY be logged for
+diagnostic or security purposes.
+
+For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create
+a new connection.  However, only packets that use the long packet header and
+that are at least the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be
+initial packets.  Unless the server is buffering 0-RTT packets, a server MUST

Fair point, I'm happy with this as is.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +needed to prevent exposure to denial of service.
+
+For clients, any packet that cannot be associated with an existing connection
+SHOULD be discarded if it not buffered.  Discarded packets MAY be logged for
+diagnostic or security purposes.
+
+For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create
+a new connection.  However, only packets that use the long packet header and
+that are at least the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be
+initial packets.  Unless the server is buffering 0-RTT packets, a server MUST
+either discard a packet or generate a stateless reset ({{stateless-reset}}) if
+the packet cannot be associated with a connection if they use the short header
+form, or they are smaller than the smallest minimum size for any version that
+the server supports.
+
+This version of QUIC defines a minimum size for initial packets of 1200 octets.

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Unless something around this is already planned for.. (and not sure if this post fits in this issue-tracker )
I will attend IETF-100 and would be very much interested to get in contact with others who are interested to discuss the format of the ECN fields in a timestamps in the ACK frames.
Drop a note if you are interested, alternatively point to the proper contact personsif it a discussion group is already effective.

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Merged #801.

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Closes #848.

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Commit Summary

  • Remove 1-RTT protected long header types

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idnits reports:

  ** Downref: Normative reference to an Experimental RFC: RFC 4653
  ** Downref: Normative reference to an Experimental RFC: RFC 5827

These are not in the downref registry, so we should be careful to get consensus that a downref is appropriate.

(Not sure if this is editorial or design. Marking as design because it probably needs consensus.)

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RFC 5226 was obsoleted.

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RFC 1981 was obsoleted by RFC 8201.

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boundary="--==_mimepart_59df33b361f16_798b3fc946e8cf343538d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0rHaMSkV0rdZMBQPRGKP2fhgZf9L67nlLRbt YAIiWAhxKBX7JrkbVrONnYE2CfyTJ1kA3/VPzacWM2mJkbz+ySIB337kGvrJu1skhlBQ5o7opkRTwR admbAmMgjq83FbAKqG6XfPO3sld6SASrabspp/Nd6pq7bqiYjzZahgEdDkbHtxZq4xTMW5XSFP99yG Y= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 09:19:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59df33b361f16_798b3fc946e8cf343538d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I ran idnits on the drafts and this one line tripped their warning. Turns out that we were too generous by a few characters on the width of figures. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/861 -- Commit Summary -- * Fix linting rule for figures * Shorten line by a few characters -- File Changes -- M Makefile (4) M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (4) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/861.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/861.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/861 ----==_mimepart_59df33b361f16_798b3fc946e8cf343538d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I ran idnits on the drafts and this one line tripped their warning. Turns out that we were too generous by a few characters on the width of figures.

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At the moment, application error code STOPPING(0) is defined, and reserved in transport.
I think that defining and reserving "NOERROR" application code in transport is nice because an implementation can initialize error code variables with it. STOPPING does not sound like "NOERROR" for me. Perhaps, use 0 for NOERROR, and 1 for STOPPING.

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"The salt value is a 16 octet sequence shown in the figure in hexadecimal notation." - if you use a git commit hash (SHA-1) it will be 20 octets rather than 16.

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The application is expected to send RST_STREAM with an application error= code, except for the one case when the transport sends it in response to a= STOP_SENDING. STOPPING is reserved in the application error code space for= the transport to use for this one case. It's not really NOERROR.

I understand the initialization problem (which is why 0 tends to be spec= ial), but when sending a RST_STREAM from the application, 0 (STOPPING) shou= ld not be used. It's only to be used by the transport. The application can = initialize to 0 and should not call RST_STREAM with 0. (See the http draft,= STOPPING is purely reserved but the semantics are not defined there.)

I see that there's a sentence that needs fixing "A STOP_SENDING frame re= quests that the receiving application send a RST_STREAM frame." This should= have "endpoint" or "transport" instead of "application". That may have cau= sed some confusion -- I'll fix this.

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Closes #862

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----==_mimepart_59dfb680d99fe_57643f7e4c2d2f303669f-- From nobody Thu Oct 12 13:01:47 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F1B12895E for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 13:01:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.615 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.615 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4dJeCtOLOLQO for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 13:01:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CFA77126B6E for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 13:01:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=pGM+m9J4ZAB0bZPtNu40HKBjeCk=; b=xZXK8Gu6tSqdTTiD suSgCJguUNfSHS+Wfu9Jh+FpFQGR7aKclwYTm5eL7ZvwiQuorum9LDwRXiUGJWuX qzkWgTaRQx3rPaJQZlfHEVKmYBlFYmPshBjxYG2mxEC8Yic2nQblga8c+7EKEtOK oQEFKOGp5p2x+qpNHrrOd3l0bXY= Received: by filter0145p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0145p1iad2-24735-59DFCA22-AF 2017-10-12 20:01:38.901529639 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0012p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 0jL4mvnvQp2uqxBSuMQxHQ for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 20:01:38.860 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 20:01:39 +0000 (UTC) From: Patrick McManus Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Re-randomization for packet numbers (#823) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59dfca22c3590_41eb3f83a6c5af30211f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mcmanus X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak38ulbKVDOjTszaWNv56wKyaujYA8ouKaogyN wV/xpJooAHDE2mYfHJcM+85u5+TzJk8P3iPdwRaL5MAdg+EtUEcIu/Wk7oxFIJp5gBzuft0lLCDtBO dvFZo9qOeQen7FCH7pyJ+/oB2QSVCzEOrnK7i8OOFxrWODHzbBG4spJSbKhTcHaPve1B70wKW/HxKz 0= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 20:01:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59dfca22c3590_41eb3f83a6c5af30211f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I actually think the re-randomization requirement creates a bug because it can create 2 packets with the same number and the same cid but different contexts. consider a client that sends out a CI (0) and a retransmitted CI(1) then receives a retry (0).. it will generate a new CI with a random number to honor the retry. it could be CI(1) again as its random.. if a retry(1) arrives it is ambiguous whether the retry applies to the first flight of CI or the second. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/823#issuecomment-336249523 ----==_mimepart_59dfca22c3590_41eb3f83a6c5af30211f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I actually think the re-randomization requirement creates a bug because = it can create 2 packets with the same number and the same cid but different= contexts.

consider a client that sends out a CI (0) and a retransmitted CI(1) then= receives a retry (0).. it will generate a new CI with a random number to h= onor the retry. it could be CI(1) again as its random.. if a retry(1) arriv= es it is ambiguous whether the retry applies to the first flight of CI or t= he second.

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Closes #850

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----==_mimepart_59dfccffa9125_1cd73fd1a412af386537-- From nobody Thu Oct 12 13:16:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E501613208E for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 13:16:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.615 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.615 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o-PrqZqFoLbZ for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 13:16:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7BCC1320DC for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 13:16:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=FmEeb/IAsu0uIaMIFMQS+gad64c=; b=VTT7tZThn6L3LHG4 1QwxBq8F2fWtKkVVRdWyuymy73gwHBf4fBey2vgF72PkTdeWhZHSiu1beNBOhB1I fgIIShEV3tqxhm3XjGmQYDNReegMWkvZifhxKiiQb88X3lY1Wp0yw49XHIMR7Qtf H9rCa3ZwnWDuKl/oz7YFA0+NlcA= Received: by filter0840p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0840p1mdw1-10435-59DFCD89-20 2017-10-12 20:16:09.717548111 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id rpDFVnrfQki76n2BgfpHIg for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 20:16:09.653 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 20:16:09 +0000 (UTC) From: Patrick McManus Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove initial packet number randomization (#850) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59dfcd8982533_55923fc7eea42f2c10686f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mcmanus X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak06tHootIFbk3GBEJCLC/QzMrliK7gArPB74M /5+RZHHq7pf+WdvAdqt2adibRJKEEgsguQUB+qISuKj+OnmfvvqDzP/RZQ4S9HtedGJ+ZuhJ0lvzxg 1/qwuIQmXvDXCbi+Vys/Z06mjZbMNOMtGxR2gyEZGYC/5s6UqEX8VGpl+1lqDPs8rWIAtgZKMbiNto 4= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 20:16:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59dfcd8982533_55923fc7eea42f2c10686f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit my PR for this conflicted with #824 so I made the PR be for that branch and it can close both issues (this and #823) if accepted. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/850#issuecomment-336253234 ----==_mimepart_59dfcd8982533_55923fc7eea42f2c10686f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

my PR for this conflicted with #824 so I made the PR be for that branch and it can close both issues (this and #823) if accepted.

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There is a good reason for this to exist: out-of-band key negotiation. I= 'll remind folks that transport negotiation is distinct from the TLS handsh= ake -- we've taken pains to try and keep TLS separate from QUIC -- and you = might have 1-RTT keys available when you are starting your transport connec= tion.

On demuxing WebRTC and QUIC packets, that is a separate conversation. I = outlined a couple of ideas in #426 and we could have that conversation separately, although we d= id agree in Paris that we'd add a framing layer if necessary later and clos= ed the issue.

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I don't want to pile on, but please, 1 instead of 0. It's convenient in = code to have a sentinel value for an invalid packet number and the obvious = choices are 0 and MAX_INT64. 0 has the nice virtual of being obvious when p= rinted in base10, whereas MAX_INT64 is just some random big number. In addi= tion, 0 has the property of being less than valid packet number. So this al= lows you to write code like:

if current_packet.packet_number > largest_received_packet_:
UpdateNewLargestPacket()

Without needing to explicitly handle the case where largest_received_pac= ket_ is MAX_INT64.

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Agreed, let's make this 1.

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> I don't want to pile on, but please, 1 instead of 0. It's co= nvenient in
> code to have a sentinel value for an invalid packet number and the o= bvious
> choices are 0 and MAX_INT64. 0 has the nice virtual of being obvious= when
> printed in base10, whereas MAX_INT64 is just some random big number.= In
> addition, 0 has the property of being less than valid packet number.= So
> this allows you to write code like:
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> if current_packet.packet_number > largest_received_packet_:
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We already have an issue tracking whether or not to allow 0: #832. I feel the discussion is better served if we keep it in that one place.

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packet number 0 is already legal (the random range is between 0 and 2^31-1). @nibanks is right, if we want to change that do it in another issue - this PR is to remove the randomness.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls, it defines the initial version's salt as

quic_version_1_salt = afc824ec5fc77eca1e9d36f37fb2d46518c36639

That salt is 20 octets long, but then the text below says the salt is a 16 octet sequence:

The salt value is a 16 octet sequence shown in the figure in hexadecimal notation.

Which is correct?

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if current_packet.packet_number > largest_received_packet_: UpdateNewLargestPacket()

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It also expands the conditions for checking the token, which now include cases where packets appear to be duplicated. Closes #820. * Define the packet type more precisely * Define what termination means for stateless reset * Larger packet number encodings make identification easier * Clients can dump state on stateless reset * Corrections suggested by @ianswett ----==_mimepart_59dfe50ddd56e_128b3fa288fdfc40425ce-- From nobody Thu Oct 12 14:56:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B56B133071 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 14:56:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RgVaTVFQCsgL for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 14:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8206132D4E for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 14:56:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=xZ0pRwA/tKZsxc/lxfL79Q6ga5Q=; b=Rgz1HReoDkWKYEVr R0AvrcAict4h7Pf+plnc6Et0lXQkh6k728oIxI1XdWAlaHRBOvJlantQGAgIgR9F e/3iJkdbXHnWMfzuOy+iKSCI9D7VoL4PE0gb/TuJ/0MnZ1SW000Dv+9OvYbBmOdE yaVnct55mL9ZYYEzP19TFevU2zw= Received: by filter0826p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0826p1mdw1-8899-59DFE511-7 2017-10-12 21:56:33.740544265 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id n5peaDTgRAWB2ir-jC_eDw for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 21:56:33.669 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 21:56:33 +0000 (UTC) From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Move stateless reset token to the end (#842) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59dfe51183906_10253fd64d6c6f342205c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak051Eq+gW941RlLriUJWbXs16nFfFd4H1GTVS 8CMzwqDvM5ZbiJ/8Rw/aqsoCCVSkEGAHTZauTR38+cyU0cTXjoWtDFrlvyjoxyPFp7TuxsZYvYm3Uq EWFvnD0bO61gxHE1I8GfTL4t70H3ogRbhmENDYw1Ccsd2OyUnN32uIvRXIc0hJqlaurk4IkKqqy/n7 w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 21:56:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59dfe51183906_10253fd64d6c6f342205c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #842. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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  • SHA-1 is 20 bytes. Fixes #865

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This is fine, but I would just close it. We've agreed that we don't need randomization.

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Fixes #865 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59dfee80cce21_4dab3f912648bc2c400a8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 22:36:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59dfee80cce21_4dab3f912648bc2c400a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 9182b4034eabbc4a2e7de3e0f43f197bc4e61ec4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9182b4034eabbc4a2e7de3e0f43f197bc4e61ec4 Author: EKR Date: 2017-10-12 (Thu, 12 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- SHA-1 is 20 bytes. Fixes #865 Commit: 2fc0029c137f4522aa1085f3b215b99eabb399e5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2fc0029c137f4522aa1085f3b215b99eabb399e5 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #866 from ekr/sha1_is_20_bytes SHA-1 is 20 bytes. 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----==_mimepart_59dfee9c92684_10053f934bfe8f307736b-- From nobody Thu Oct 12 15:37:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DA05132EC4 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 15:37:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z45_X9-NKkAD for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 15:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext4.iad.github.net [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B0E6132D96 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 15:37:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 15:37:33 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507847853; bh=nwGOwajuP258kYXBIdUitfsn8Q10m4JG/hxp8a1E4b4=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=tteeKoW3CKYMf0mcSyISEalEVDOfUA9zBKgbyxPWT75qL3JYPrl5vaoEP9l0WENyg gDF7cif7583XxLE14HyJU12p9HDNe/v7EvPZf6AOGU3k+Fp6szRuP9O4cC8v71R9xb bQKt3EhZ3G+nql6E8/MndGWCxRYZuyjd1nJpN1oI= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Define requirements for handling packets (#724) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59dfeead6cc72_53273fb81e3ccf3811671c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 22:37:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59dfeead6cc72_53273fb81e3ccf3811671c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. a few comments > +Packets without connection IDs and long-form packets for connections that have +incomplete cryptographic handshakes are associated with an existing connection +using the tuple of source and destination IP addresses and ports. + +A packet that uses the short header could be associated with an existing +connection with an incomplete cryptographic handshake. Such a packet could be a +valid packet that has been reordered with respect to the long-form packets that +will complete the cryptographic handshake. This might happen after the final +set of cryptographic handshake messages from either peer. These packets are +expected to be correlated with a connection using the tuple of IP addresses and +ports. Packets that might be reordered in this fashion SHOULD be buffered in +anticipation of the handshake completing. + +0-RTT packets might be received prior to a Client Initial packet at a server. +If the version of these packets is acceptable to the server, it MAY buffer these +packets in anticipation of receiving a reordered Client Initial packet. This is redundant and a bit confusing. The earlier para says "Such a packet could be a valid packet that has been reordered with respect to the long-form packets that will complete the cryptographic handshake", which applies to 0-RTT packets as well. I think the para above is adequate, and this one about 0-RTT is redundant. The para above says reordered packets SHOULD be buffered, this one says MAY. Either is fine with me, I'd lean towards a SHOULD. > +set of cryptographic handshake messages from either peer. These packets are +expected to be correlated with a connection using the tuple of IP addresses and +ports. Packets that might be reordered in this fashion SHOULD be buffered in +anticipation of the handshake completing. + +0-RTT packets might be received prior to a Client Initial packet at a server. +If the version of these packets is acceptable to the server, it MAY buffer these +packets in anticipation of receiving a reordered Client Initial packet. + +Buffering ensures that data is not lost, which improves performance; conversely, +discarding these packets could create false loss signals for the congestion +controllers. However, limiting the number and size of buffered packets might be +needed to prevent exposure to denial of service. + +For clients, any packet that cannot be associated with an existing connection +SHOULD be discarded if it not buffered. Discarded packets MAY be logged for nit: missing "is" in "if it not buffered" > +If the version of these packets is acceptable to the server, it MAY buffer these +packets in anticipation of receiving a reordered Client Initial packet. + +Buffering ensures that data is not lost, which improves performance; conversely, +discarding these packets could create false loss signals for the congestion +controllers. However, limiting the number and size of buffered packets might be +needed to prevent exposure to denial of service. + +For clients, any packet that cannot be associated with an existing connection +SHOULD be discarded if it not buffered. Discarded packets MAY be logged for +diagnostic or security purposes. + +For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create +a new connection. However, only packets that use the long packet header and +that are at least the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be +initial packets. Unless the server is buffering 0-RTT packets, a server MUST The server could be buffering 1-RTT packets as well (consider out-of-band key negotiation). > +discarding these packets could create false loss signals for the congestion +controllers. However, limiting the number and size of buffered packets might be +needed to prevent exposure to denial of service. + +For clients, any packet that cannot be associated with an existing connection +SHOULD be discarded if it not buffered. Discarded packets MAY be logged for +diagnostic or security purposes. + +For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create +a new connection. However, only packets that use the long packet header and +that are at least the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be +initial packets. Unless the server is buffering 0-RTT packets, a server MUST +either discard a packet or generate a stateless reset ({{stateless-reset}}) if +the packet cannot be associated with a connection if they use the short header +form, or they are smaller than the smallest minimum size for any version that +the server supports. This sentence needs work. It's a run-on and confusing. > -To avoid packet amplification attacks a server MUST NOT send a Version -Negotiation packet that is larger than the packet it responds to. It is -anticipated that this is ample space for all QUIC versions that a single server -might need to advertise. +A server sends a Version Negotiation packet for any packet with an unaccepable typo: "unacceptable" -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

a few comments

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Packets without connection IDs and long-form packets for connections that have
+incomplete cryptographic handshakes are associated with an existing connection
+using the tuple of source and destination IP addresses and ports.
+
+A packet that uses the short header could be associated with an existing
+connection with an incomplete cryptographic handshake.  Such a packet could be a
+valid packet that has been reordered with respect to the long-form packets that
+will complete the cryptographic handshake.  This might happen after the final
+set of cryptographic handshake messages from either peer.  These packets are
+expected to be correlated with a connection using the tuple of IP addresses and
+ports.  Packets that might be reordered in this fashion SHOULD be buffered in
+anticipation of the handshake completing.
+
+0-RTT packets might be received prior to a Client Initial packet at a server.
+If the version of these packets is acceptable to the server, it MAY buffer these
+packets in anticipation of receiving a reordered Client Initial packet.

This is redundant and a bit confusing. The earlier para says "Such a packet could be a valid packet that has been reordered with respect to the long-form packets that will complete the cryptographic handshake", which applies to 0-RTT packets as well. I think the para above is adequate, and this one about 0-RTT is redundant.

The para above says reordered packets SHOULD be buffered, this one says MAY. Either is fine with me, I'd lean towards a SHOULD.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +set of cryptographic handshake messages from either peer.  These packets are
+expected to be correlated with a connection using the tuple of IP addresses and
+ports.  Packets that might be reordered in this fashion SHOULD be buffered in
+anticipation of the handshake completing.
+
+0-RTT packets might be received prior to a Client Initial packet at a server.
+If the version of these packets is acceptable to the server, it MAY buffer these
+packets in anticipation of receiving a reordered Client Initial packet.
+
+Buffering ensures that data is not lost, which improves performance; conversely,
+discarding these packets could create false loss signals for the congestion
+controllers.  However, limiting the number and size of buffered packets might be
+needed to prevent exposure to denial of service.
+
+For clients, any packet that cannot be associated with an existing connection
+SHOULD be discarded if it not buffered.  Discarded packets MAY be logged for

nit: missing "is" in "if it not buffered"

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +If the version of these packets is acceptable to the server, it MAY buffer these
+packets in anticipation of receiving a reordered Client Initial packet.
+
+Buffering ensures that data is not lost, which improves performance; conversely,
+discarding these packets could create false loss signals for the congestion
+controllers.  However, limiting the number and size of buffered packets might be
+needed to prevent exposure to denial of service.
+
+For clients, any packet that cannot be associated with an existing connection
+SHOULD be discarded if it not buffered.  Discarded packets MAY be logged for
+diagnostic or security purposes.
+
+For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create
+a new connection.  However, only packets that use the long packet header and
+that are at least the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be
+initial packets.  Unless the server is buffering 0-RTT packets, a server MUST

The server could be buffering 1-RTT packets as well (consider out-of-band key negotiation).

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +discarding these packets could create false loss signals for the congestion
+controllers.  However, limiting the number and size of buffered packets might be
+needed to prevent exposure to denial of service.
+
+For clients, any packet that cannot be associated with an existing connection
+SHOULD be discarded if it not buffered.  Discarded packets MAY be logged for
+diagnostic or security purposes.
+
+For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create
+a new connection.  However, only packets that use the long packet header and
+that are at least the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be
+initial packets.  Unless the server is buffering 0-RTT packets, a server MUST
+either discard a packet or generate a stateless reset ({{stateless-reset}}) if
+the packet cannot be associated with a connection if they use the short header
+form, or they are smaller than the smallest minimum size for any version that
+the server supports.

This sentence needs work. It's a run-on and confusing.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-To avoid packet amplification attacks a server MUST NOT send a Version
-Negotiation packet that is larger than the packet it responds to.  It is
-anticipated that this is ample space for all QUIC versions that a single server
-might need to advertise.
+A server sends a Version Negotiation packet for any packet with an unaccepable

typo: "unacceptable"

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----==_mimepart_59dfeed2ca0ae_28433f91e43d6f347657-- From nobody Thu Oct 12 15:39:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD93132EC4 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 15:39:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.615 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.615 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xZeEvhsiCtca for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 15:39:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6945D132D96 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 15:39:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=lrIwTb7DWT1iLXk+STrVUHaxDEU=; b=AUkeXgMLkPYoRXwb PBz9GCoN+hS9EqVYjIRns15+2oko4T0V2ovhS2FO/dtB5qnK4AW/tELuZz9X8gXq hfVdAo5pQoL5r5FE3ktqm51Y9LjGzUOrn4ZqghV2HPyA8PF8su3Ck7TihZDr+V7z PeFBghVzOf3vgEyaidJrrNiqoBQ= Received: by filter0840p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0840p1mdw1-10435-59DFEF11-11 2017-10-12 22:39:13.457823345 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id ZTJml4zUTjCz2hpNTbRLjg for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 22:39:13.372 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 22:39:13 +0000 (UTC) From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] intial packet number should be 0. (#864) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59dfef113c399_54ab3faada06af30986c0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0PuwvqdU3djn91YrztJAWuvMkUj9lu025TDu WcP5m0NdCYa5JZyhMfWSuAX1TIkPAuHqqwu80JSwUmvilnVgDJ2uANPqVw+Mshl7JoLWYcztB1lvqO tKw1iGpYfpGk/rRMbzdyyN8uIAjDe/xFJmModlZ+WqxWfHCxIYDOPs+LoHrmqaFsizGD6vDKp3kNWb k= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 22:39:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59dfef113c399_54ab3faada06af30986c0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "if current_packet.packet_number >= next_expected_packet Update()" Ok fine, this is what I get for not using a real example :) >= works for the particular case I described. But there are cases in the code where we may see the same packet number multiple times but only want to do an operation when we've seen a new largest number and not if we're merely seeing the same largest number against. In those cases >= does not work. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/864#issuecomment-336297802 ----==_mimepart_59dfef113c399_54ab3faada06af30986c0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"if current_packet.packet_number >=3D next_expected_packet
Update()"

Ok fine, this is what I get for not using a real example :) >=3D work= s for the particular case I described. But there are cases in the code wher= e we may see the same packet number multiple times but only want to do an o= peration when we've seen a new largest number and not if we're merely seein= g the same largest number against. In those cases >=3D does not work.

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Why can't the client use the Initial packet for its first packet in th= at case? That would ensure that the server can generate a Version Negoti= ation packet if it needs to.

It's very hard to know what your design is - you seem to assume a part= icular design, but since we aren't discussing it in any detail, I don't k= now whether you actually need these long-form packets.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. one small comment. > @@ -1462,11 +1462,14 @@ The draining period persists for three times the current Retransmission Timeout can be acknowledged, but no new application data can be sent on the connection. Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is -in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed. In all -cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but -other reactions might be preferable depending on how the connection was closed. -An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets containing frames -other than ACK, PADDING, or CONNECTION_CLOSE. +in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed. An endpoint +that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a +CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame. + +An endpoint that receives either CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE while in +the draining period can terminate the draining period immediately. An endpoint +that receives either of these frames can send a packet containing a can send --> MAY send. That said, I don't get the value of sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE here. 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one small comment.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1462,11 +1462,14 @@ The draining period persists for three times the current Retransmission Timeout
 can be acknowledged, but no new application data can be sent on the connection.
 
 Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is
-in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  In all
-cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but
-other reactions might be preferable depending on how the connection was closed.
-An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets containing frames
-other than ACK, PADDING, or CONNECTION_CLOSE.
+in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  An endpoint
+that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame.
+
+An endpoint that receives either CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE while in
+the draining period can terminate the draining period immediately.  An endpoint
+that receives either of these frames can send a packet containing a

can send --> MAY send. That said, I don't get the value of sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE here. Why is this useful?

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I plan to merge this - we can continue to tweak the details more over time. > +Packets without connection IDs and long-form packets for connections that have +incomplete cryptographic handshakes are associated with an existing connection +using the tuple of source and destination IP addresses and ports. + +A packet that uses the short header could be associated with an existing +connection with an incomplete cryptographic handshake. Such a packet could be a +valid packet that has been reordered with respect to the long-form packets that +will complete the cryptographic handshake. This might happen after the final +set of cryptographic handshake messages from either peer. These packets are +expected to be correlated with a connection using the tuple of IP addresses and +ports. Packets that might be reordered in this fashion SHOULD be buffered in +anticipation of the handshake completing. + +0-RTT packets might be received prior to a Client Initial packet at a server. +If the version of these packets is acceptable to the server, it MAY buffer these +packets in anticipation of receiving a reordered Client Initial packet. 0-RTT uses the long header. The last paragraph talks about short headers. Though they are related, these are completely different conditions. The requirements have to be different. For packets that are reordered over the last flight of the handshake, you already have an assumption that the connection is going to be made and the corresponding state commitment. So buffering isn't a huge burden. For 0-RTT, you receive random 0-RTT packets from some unspecified endpoints prior to any handshake packets. 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I plan to merge this - we can continue to tweak the details more over time.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Packets without connection IDs and long-form packets for connections that have
+incomplete cryptographic handshakes are associated with an existing connection
+using the tuple of source and destination IP addresses and ports.
+
+A packet that uses the short header could be associated with an existing
+connection with an incomplete cryptographic handshake.  Such a packet could be a
+valid packet that has been reordered with respect to the long-form packets that
+will complete the cryptographic handshake.  This might happen after the final
+set of cryptographic handshake messages from either peer.  These packets are
+expected to be correlated with a connection using the tuple of IP addresses and
+ports.  Packets that might be reordered in this fashion SHOULD be buffered in
+anticipation of the handshake completing.
+
+0-RTT packets might be received prior to a Client Initial packet at a server.
+If the version of these packets is acceptable to the server, it MAY buffer these
+packets in anticipation of receiving a reordered Client Initial packet.

0-RTT uses the long header. The last paragraph talks about short headers. Though they are related, these are completely different conditions.

The requirements have to be different. For packets that are reordered over the last flight of the handshake, you already have an assumption that the connection is going to be made and the corresponding state commitment. So buffering isn't a huge burden.

For 0-RTT, you receive random 0-RTT packets from some unspecified endpoints prior to any handshake packets. Buffering of those packets is risky - they might never be followed by a handshake packet.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1462,11 +1462,14 @@ The draining period persists for three times the current Retransmission Timeout
 can be acknowledged, but no new application data can be sent on the connection.
 
 Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is
-in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  In all
-cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but
-other reactions might be preferable depending on how the connection was closed.
-An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets containing frames
-other than ACK, PADDING, or CONNECTION_CLOSE.
+in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  An endpoint
+that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame.
+
+An endpoint that receives either CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE while in
+the draining period can terminate the draining period immediately.  An endpoint
+that receives either of these frames can send a packet containing a

I had a chat with @nibanks at the interim and he was concerned about finding a way to quickly terminate the draining period. Lingering timers are annoying to manage in testing.

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One nit. We need to add more details to this text, but this PR LGTM.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1531,6 +1516,13 @@ An endpoint can cease sending CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frames if it
 receives either a CONNECTION_CLOSE, APPLICATION_CLOSE or an acknowledgement for
 a packet that contained a either close frame.
 
+An immediate close can be used after an application protocol has arranged to
+close a connection.  This might be after negotiating a graceful shutdown.  The

I would clarify that this negotiation is in the application, not in QUIC.

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Yeah, the work never ends. But we can only move forward in the hope that it will someday be less urgent to fix anything (at which point we declare victory).

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That is, the application protocol negotiates a shutdown. Once the agreed state has been reached, endpoints send APPLICATION_CLOSE and we are done. Closes #854. Commit: 2e4d9bcc51951d719d6e99f3c346b1dae388f52e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2e4d9bcc51951d719d6e99f3c346b1dae388f52e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- The application protocol negotiates Commit: 11d77c0e3339401553a258fa57592fb2bd31bd11 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/11d77c0e3339401553a258fa57592fb2bd31bd11 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #855 from quicwg/remove-app-close Remove application close Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/0bf810aef744...11d77c0e3339 ----==_mimepart_59dff6455ae4d_4c023ff19bd41c381653-- From nobody Thu Oct 12 16:10:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2552132949 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 16:10:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.381 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.381 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3UZfdJpuNNM3 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 16:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext7.iad.github.net [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 492E213219E for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 16:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 16:09:59 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507849799; bh=O7XTtv54L6W1d6t03EJ4Ei81FlphO4YprbxybAOzXDg=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VdOU2Cht1JIlxXM/CgymBX+ilwAh1R8b8gqkHJr9t/PsGedUwI2XTlcHl8fAp9BtK xG6Yx6XSGnmyVpzomaL3+p9A2pX6kY+HJqwBt0ZpqN5PWm4INWFzGDs5vRgfaUl6SZ zmqf0y0/D1fTvsw8M9eTpQr3qDkvwIowl6yYSD98= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Use immediate close for application close (#854) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59dff6477428d_5b903fa31bd88f3029554"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 23:10:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59dff6477428d_5b903fa31bd88f3029554 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #854 via #855. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Closed #854 via #855.

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Merged #855.

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Please remove the restriction that a server MUST discard packets unless they're 0-RTT packets before merging.

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I'll downgrade to MAY

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1462,11 +1462,14 @@ The draining period persists for three times the current Retransmission Timeout
 can be acknowledged, but no new application data can be sent on the connection.
 
 Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is
-in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  In all
-cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but
-other reactions might be preferable depending on how the connection was closed.
-An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets containing frames
-other than ACK, PADDING, or CONNECTION_CLOSE.
+in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  An endpoint
+that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame.
+
+An endpoint that receives either CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE while in
+the draining period can terminate the draining period immediately.  An endpoint
+that receives either of these frames can send a packet containing a

I don't follow. This says the endpoint terminates draining immediately. Are you thinking the peer might be in draining? Can you give an example?

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For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create a new connection. However, only packets that use the long packet header and that are at least the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be -initial packets. Unless the server is buffering 0-RTT packets, a server MUST +initial packets. Unless the server is buffering 0-RTT packets, a server MAY This is an odd sentence now. Remove the phrase "Unless the server is buffering 0-RTT packets" -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/724#pullrequestreview-69091754 ----==_mimepart_59dff92f5d388_13ba3f9ec8f30f38687c9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -910,7 +910,7 @@ diagnostic or security purposes.
 For servers, packets that aren't associated with a connection potentially create
 a new connection.  However, only packets that use the long packet header and
 that are at least the minimum size defined for the protocol version can be
-initial packets.  Unless the server is buffering 0-RTT packets, a server MUST
+initial packets.  Unless the server is buffering 0-RTT packets, a server MAY

This is an odd sentence now. Remove the phrase "Unless the server is buffering 0-RTT packets"

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Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is -in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed. In all -cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but -other reactions might be preferable depending on how the connection was closed. -An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets containing frames -other than ACK, PADDING, or CONNECTION_CLOSE. +in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed. An endpoint +that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a +CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame. + +An endpoint that receives either CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE while in +the draining period can terminate the draining period immediately. An endpoint +that receives either of these frames can send a packet containing a On error client sends CONNECTION_CLOSE. It has to wait for 3RTO (or whatever) to cleanup state. But if the server sends a reciprocal CONNECTION_CLOSE, there is far less need to hang around. I guess that the concern is that you might get reordering around that close. Maybe that's the problem and maybe @nibanks will have to work out another way to get test cases to end quickly. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/853#discussion_r144436083 ----==_mimepart_59dffc48bf421_2e1d3f9b7f7b6f3873993 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1462,11 +1462,14 @@ The draining period persists for three times the current Retransmission Timeout
 can be acknowledged, but no new application data can be sent on the connection.
 
 Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is
-in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  In all
-cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but
-other reactions might be preferable depending on how the connection was closed.
-An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets containing frames
-other than ACK, PADDING, or CONNECTION_CLOSE.
+in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  An endpoint
+that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame.
+
+An endpoint that receives either CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE while in
+the draining period can terminate the draining period immediately.  An endpoint
+that receives either of these frames can send a packet containing a

On error client sends CONNECTION_CLOSE. It has to wait for 3RTO (or whatever) to cleanup state. But if the server sends a reciprocal CONNECTION_CLOSE, there is far less need to hang around.

I guess that the concern is that you might get reordering around that close. Maybe that's the problem and maybe @nibanks will have to work out another way to get test cases to end quickly.

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Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is -in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed. In all -cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but -other reactions might be preferable depending on how the connection was closed. -An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets containing frames -other than ACK, PADDING, or CONNECTION_CLOSE. +in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed. An endpoint +that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a +CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame. + +An endpoint that receives either CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE while in +the draining period can terminate the draining period immediately. An endpoint +that receives either of these frames can send a packet containing a I just was asking for some way to (optionally) acknowledge that the connection was closed, so that the draining period could be short circuited. Specifically, in my case, I have client and server running on the same machine, and the tests will usually connect them, do something and then try to cleanly disconnect. With >100 test cases and running them locally every time I build, I want them to be as fast as possible. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/853#discussion_r144436939 ----==_mimepart_59dffdbd86c1e_7c013fee2b20ef28602ed Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1462,11 +1462,14 @@ The draining period persists for three times the current Retransmission Timeout
 can be acknowledged, but no new application data can be sent on the connection.
 
 Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is
-in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  In all
-cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but
-other reactions might be preferable depending on how the connection was closed.
-An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets containing frames
-other than ACK, PADDING, or CONNECTION_CLOSE.
+in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  An endpoint
+that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame.
+
+An endpoint that receives either CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE while in
+the draining period can terminate the draining period immediately.  An endpoint
+that receives either of these frames can send a packet containing a

I just was asking for some way to (optionally) acknowledge that the connection was closed, so that the draining period could be short circuited.

Specifically, in my case, I have client and server running on the same machine, and the tests will usually connect them, do something and then try to cleanly disconnect. With >100 test cases and running them locally every time I build, I want them to be as fast as possible.

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Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is -in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed. In all -cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but -other reactions might be preferable depending on how the connection was closed. -An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets containing frames -other than ACK, PADDING, or CONNECTION_CLOSE. +in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed. An endpoint +that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a +CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame. + +An endpoint that receives either CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE while in +the draining period can terminate the draining period immediately. An endpoint +that receives either of these frames can send a packet containing a Yeah, though as a practical matter, terminating the draining period won't work in general. Maybe - with the allowance for a reciprocal close - you can make some assumptions in your test cases that will allow you to terminate early. The alternative is to do as I suggested: find a way to shift timers. I do that for every test framework I build because I hate waiting. It will make your recovery tests run faster as well. For now, I'm going to remove the termination clause from this PR. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/853#discussion_r144437609 ----==_mimepart_59dfff029ae0e_449e3fd9bd718f28884ba Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1462,11 +1462,14 @@ The draining period persists for three times the current Retransmission Timeout
 can be acknowledged, but no new application data can be sent on the connection.
 
 Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is
-in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  In all
-cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but
-other reactions might be preferable depending on how the connection was closed.
-An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets containing frames
-other than ACK, PADDING, or CONNECTION_CLOSE.
+in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  An endpoint
+that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame.
+
+An endpoint that receives either CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE while in
+the draining period can terminate the draining period immediately.  An endpoint
+that receives either of these frames can send a packet containing a

Yeah, though as a practical matter, terminating the draining period won't work in general. Maybe - with the allowance for a reciprocal close - you can make some assumptions in your test cases that will allow you to terminate early.

The alternative is to do as I suggested: find a way to shift timers. I do that for every test framework I build because I hate waiting. It will make your recovery tests run faster as well.

For now, I'm going to remove the termination clause from this PR.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1462,11 +1462,14 @@ The draining period persists for three times the current Retransmission Timeout
 can be acknowledged, but no new application data can be sent on the connection.
 
 Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is
-in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  In all
-cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but
-other reactions might be preferable depending on how the connection was closed.
-An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets containing frames
-other than ACK, PADDING, or CONNECTION_CLOSE.
+in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  An endpoint
+that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame.
+
+An endpoint that receives either CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE while in
+the draining period can terminate the draining period immediately.  An endpoint
+that receives either of these frames can send a packet containing a

I'm still unclear why it wouldn't work. What is the reordering problem? Why can't you just use ACKs then (which is what I was doing originally before this PR)?

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Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is -in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed. In all -cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but -other reactions might be preferable depending on how the connection was closed. -An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets containing frames -other than ACK, PADDING, or CONNECTION_CLOSE. +in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed. An endpoint +that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a +CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame. + +An endpoint that receives either CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE while in +the draining period can terminate the draining period immediately. An endpoint +that receives either of these frames can send a packet containing a Server sends CONNECTION_CLOSE, client sends CONNECTION_CLOSE. Server throws away state. Client packet from before the CONNECTION_CLOSE arrives at server. The point of the draining period is to have a catcher for the delayed packets that might arrive. Now, if you don't care (because you stopped listening on the socket, for instance), then that's great and you shorten the draining period to whatever you like. But if you are writing test cases, then you can skew the clock artificially and retain the benefits of the draining period. (Maybe we need to make it clear that the draining period is somewhat discretionary on the part of endpoints. Happy to do that in a followup PR.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/853#discussion_r144439524 ----==_mimepart_59e002d5de178_55513ff5c6028f2c65253 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1462,11 +1462,14 @@ The draining period persists for three times the current Retransmission Timeout
 can be acknowledged, but no new application data can be sent on the connection.
 
 Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is
-in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  In all
-cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but
-other reactions might be preferable depending on how the connection was closed.
-An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets containing frames
-other than ACK, PADDING, or CONNECTION_CLOSE.
+in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  An endpoint
+that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame.
+
+An endpoint that receives either CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE while in
+the draining period can terminate the draining period immediately.  An endpoint
+that receives either of these frames can send a packet containing a

Server sends CONNECTION_CLOSE, client sends CONNECTION_CLOSE. Server throws away state. Client packet from before the CONNECTION_CLOSE arrives at server.

The point of the draining period is to have a catcher for the delayed packets that might arrive. Now, if you don't care (because you stopped listening on the socket, for instance), then that's great and you shorten the draining period to whatever you like. But if you are writing test cases, then you can skew the clock artificially and retain the benefits of the draining period.

(Maybe we need to make it clear that the draining period is somewhat discretionary on the part of endpoints. Happy to do that in a followup PR.)

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Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is -in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed. In all -cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but -other reactions might be preferable depending on how the connection was closed. -An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets containing frames -other than ACK, PADDING, or CONNECTION_CLOSE. +in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed. An endpoint +that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a +CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame. + +An endpoint that receives either CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE while in +the draining period can terminate the draining period immediately. An endpoint +that receives either of these frames can send a packet containing a Ok, one follow up question then: What are you supposed to do with incoming packets while in the draining period? Do you throw them away or indicate them up to the application? If you are throwing them away, what is the harm it interpreting either an ACK for your CONNECTION_CLOSE or a separate CONNECTION_CLOSE as reason enough to end the local draining period? What other state would be lost? If you are supposed to indicate them to the application, how is that supposed to work, assuming they are the one that initiated the close in the first place? They would likely be in a blocking close() call. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/853#discussion_r144440661 ----==_mimepart_59e005131b77d_4fc3fd6b9896f28664f6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1462,11 +1462,14 @@ The draining period persists for three times the current Retransmission Timeout
 can be acknowledged, but no new application data can be sent on the connection.
 
 Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is
-in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  In all
-cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but
-other reactions might be preferable depending on how the connection was closed.
-An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets containing frames
-other than ACK, PADDING, or CONNECTION_CLOSE.
+in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  An endpoint
+that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame.
+
+An endpoint that receives either CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE while in
+the draining period can terminate the draining period immediately.  An endpoint
+that receives either of these frames can send a packet containing a

Ok, one follow up question then:

What are you supposed to do with incoming packets while in the draining period? Do you throw them away or indicate them up to the application?

If you are throwing them away, what is the harm it interpreting either an ACK for your CONNECTION_CLOSE or a separate CONNECTION_CLOSE as reason enough to end the local draining period? What other state would be lost?

If you are supposed to indicate them to the application, how is that supposed to work, assuming they are the one that initiated the close in the first place? They would likely be in a blocking close() call.

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Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is -in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed. In all -cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but -other reactions might be preferable depending on how the connection was closed. -An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets containing frames -other than ACK, PADDING, or CONNECTION_CLOSE. +in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed. An endpoint +that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a +CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame. + +An endpoint that receives either CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE while in +the draining period can terminate the draining period immediately. An endpoint +that receives either of these frames can send a packet containing a Dump them. There is no harm in doing whatever you like at this point - you have decided that the connection is no more. You either terminated the connection gracefully (because you decided you had everything you needed) or you detected a fatal error of some kind (including stateless reset). You can - if you like - end the draining period early, but you have to be willing to accept the consequences. You might still receive packets for a while. Meaning that you no longer have something that is allocated to handle them properly, though that might not be a particular problem for your architecture. In the case where you sent the first CONNECTION_CLOSE, it might be the case that your CONNECTION_CLOSE was lost and needs retransmission. Not being able to generate another CONNECTION_CLOSE means that you might get a LOT more packets. A server might have to resort to a stateless reset in that case. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1462,11 +1462,14 @@ The draining period persists for three times the current Retransmission Timeout
 can be acknowledged, but no new application data can be sent on the connection.
 
 Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is
-in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  In all
-cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but
-other reactions might be preferable depending on how the connection was closed.
-An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets containing frames
-other than ACK, PADDING, or CONNECTION_CLOSE.
+in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  An endpoint
+that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame.
+
+An endpoint that receives either CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE while in
+the draining period can terminate the draining period immediately.  An endpoint
+that receives either of these frames can send a packet containing a

Dump them.

There is no harm in doing whatever you like at this point - you have decided that the connection is no more. You either terminated the connection gracefully (because you decided you had everything you needed) or you detected a fatal error of some kind (including stateless reset).

You can - if you like - end the draining period early, but you have to be willing to accept the consequences. You might still receive packets for a while. Meaning that you no longer have something that is allocated to handle them properly, though that might not be a particular problem for your architecture. In the case where you sent the first CONNECTION_CLOSE, it might be the case that your CONNECTION_CLOSE was lost and needs retransmission. Not being able to generate another CONNECTION_CLOSE means that you might get a LOT more packets. A server might have to resort to a stateless reset in that case.

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----==_mimepart_59e006af87254_29b53fcaa1d90f34376fe-- From nobody Thu Oct 12 17:24:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE70132930 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:24:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p_utSHiul3JD for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m69-170.mailgun.net (m69-170.mailgun.net [166.78.69.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41627132FA7 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:24:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1507854285; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=SYN/yg4sgiVdtc+3IbUKzz3EOzHGKdFxpJ9S4I617W8=; b=a0IxMUSVM7b1LxuSmx+9HiPnW8oyGni0LGaiWwrTct27pyab/wpG+1Q7ioeqz7w+7xmtJiPx 83W8bdL732V/uCFeXdoMKZfQASfvCUsxUmP66lBa2aFE3FzRMV7mOYTYWgdI1GLlFB7lXGQR KGclsp+lCGYX0Z4woF49f0it/U4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lZicD0KRbZ7HWeBFRvXS+3WYLJBATavQj2duU4fMM8SUxgjdRrNUJcVPw6jXtkinErxYyW 871uxHJU1x/i4G9HryGXAzF37Q6MlAEuJ5e+UoJoey0mM4vbdWQzcijJRUsGukBdxPx+Ll37 zTS3xyh9BrvlraH98JfY46CQVagZY= Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.170 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.42]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 59e007cd.7f262062dcf0-smtp-out-n03; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 00:24:45 -0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:24:45 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <59e007cd5f28c_1c533ff90a4a1c3874651@hookshot-fe1-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 8c946b: Remove ACKs from draining period Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e007cd5ee80_1c533ff90a4a1c387457e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 00:24:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e007cd5ee80_1c533ff90a4a1c387457e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/no-ack-in-draining Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 8c946b2b2d9a3292c6c90bcfca5e74490d2d8bc4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8c946b2b2d9a3292c6c90bcfca5e74490d2d8bc4 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove ACKs from draining period As agreed at the interim, this removes the ability to acknowledge during the draining period. An endpoint can use the APPLICATION_CLOSE/CONNECTION_CLOSE frame to exit this state early (it's a kind of ACK). Closes #852. Commit: f4a46bd68744926508a9bd22c9286f18a1f6a35b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f4a46bd68744926508a9bd22c9286f18a1f6a35b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- s/can/MAY terminate draining period early Commit: 3c5f649335f27c5811d5f5908c8ccd6fbae0d392 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3c5f649335f27c5811d5f5908c8ccd6fbae0d392 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove paragraph about terminating draining period early Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/a5c71cbfeb79...3c5f649335f2 ----==_mimepart_59e007cd5ee80_1c533ff90a4a1c387457e-- From nobody Thu Oct 12 17:27:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDFAC1331C2 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:27:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WrXcJRChzeFG for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m69-170.mailgun.net (m69-170.mailgun.net [166.78.69.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94255133245 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:27:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1507854431; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=WprQin7DFCX91nyNaOY8OXOjMBv1ZrdK3fEsV2KAUWk=; b=Y8lTJmYjgo8Mkwu8t5EyRjGm9oMWjKabtjgvU5UXGYVH7ovHMcdM+RqmgD42hdGMwLzjz/81 gK/yuOXUkSZlwZym67NYOR1kywrOP5F/umxHqpaqkoX4WW+KFxlEKhuhvXdObVod7jsFU7gp WVISlvczVjGGeAg4qmKjSG+d67A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IWvPXZIrnLKilH+HrqHyadODOuBrercQAAQbOMyS58qIC6UOZdsXm0jNaPpkm83rBHljfJ AvFPMvAvKZFd6PPghdkT7i5a/RQPS5FkHB8IVjPLwpokI+uMxToOt22fC7JmBcRTIMUAL5VC 24j68lzJd6OSLw9LwPgJ7q6Fn9Lvc= Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.170 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.34]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 59e0085c.7fa49c69f5a0-smtp-out-n02; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 00:27:08 -0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:27:08 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <59e0085c2d6bd_3b6d3fb41fe85c347506@hookshot-fe2-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] eabe0a: Enter draining after receiving a stateless reset Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e0085c2d31a_3b6d3fb41fe85c34749f9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 00:27:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e0085c2d31a_3b6d3fb41fe85c34749f9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/drain-after-stateless-reset Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: eabe0a38aecf93be7ae800ad7fd4b69d3e7bdf6d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/eabe0a38aecf93be7ae800ad7fd4b69d3e7bdf6d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Enter draining after receiving a stateless reset If a client receives a stateless reset, it makes sense for it to stick around in the draining period so that you can absorb any further stateless reset packets that might have been sent by the server. The server might have received multiple packets, so it might also generate multiple resets. ----==_mimepart_59e0085c2d31a_3b6d3fb41fe85c34749f9-- From nobody Thu Oct 12 17:29:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCFBF1332D4 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:28:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.453 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.453 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VIB-eaI4sN6f for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A8E4132930 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:28:56 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507854536; bh=HOcu7euN7M+Iw4c7EzsiiFXjaqO+2RJgfXu++R28G2U=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=OMRV/geeA3MEdMxRb64op61cQtvxoY13FtHMT3/hw7UqYGFD3E7QwN2df7vb5vAZs QwPmgscdlQCKmkjni5BoZL4simh4RQiBhsSXfPQLNROLcPZk7I95P9hnuFHO20Yvp2 onKO/ZTjDL1Sa5FoHqyHaOwMF/Xa+Poz3hfhaQZ0= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clients don't drain after stateless reset (#867) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e008c8b5610_12f23f8821642f38342fc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 00:28:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e008c8b5610_12f23f8821642f38342fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that this was just an error. A stateless reset isn't necessary singular: the server might send multiple as it receives multiple packets. So it makes sense for the client to stick around and absorb packets for a while. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/867 ----==_mimepart_59e008c8b5610_12f23f8821642f38342fc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think that this was just an error. A stateless reset isn't necessary singular: the server might send multiple as it receives multiple packets. So it makes sense for the client to stick around and absorb packets for a while.

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----==_mimepart_59e008c8b5610_12f23f8821642f38342fc-- From nobody Thu Oct 12 17:29:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0296E13337F for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:29:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zV2dZX2v0viX for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A507D132930 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:29:07 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507854547; bh=57H2G6f5Usx3M8KdTlKkLragIv1Ku//bH+5HCydI6T0=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bSbluHnldRDOEF8mfsuB8o5TwkdY1Dyff9WxE9mitIR6A8gA35Fdy3loj13fAl10M LGohBDvkrVa54RD9g6ir/JbTtH38JNg3USMo04CYatlkDCwYN6byEZbv9QiEAyQy7u CR4l1SRG3bRQb4qBUZDlcMxrmjUXKbTFMbxg20lo= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Enter draining after receiving a stateless reset (#868) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e008d39f8d_16293f8821642f384299f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 00:29:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e008d39f8d_16293f8821642f384299f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If a client receives a stateless reset, it makes sense for it to stick around in the draining period so that you can absorb any further stateless reset packets that might have been sent by the server. The server might have received multiple packets, so it might also generate multiple resets. Closes #867. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/868 -- Commit Summary -- * Enter draining after receiving a stateless reset -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (4) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/868.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/868.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/868 ----==_mimepart_59e008d39f8d_16293f8821642f384299f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

If a client receives a stateless reset, it makes sense for it to stick around
in the draining period so that you can absorb any further stateless reset
packets that might have been sent by the server. The server might have
received multiple packets, so it might also generate multiple resets.

Closes #867.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/868

Commit Summary

  • Enter draining after receiving a stateless reset

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This adds a section on that. This was originally motivated by #570, where the rules for what to generate a Version Negotiation packet for were a little unclear. Now though, this is a far more comprehensive description of what to do with a packet that is received. For #570, I've chosen to limit packet size. If the packet is too small, then this requires the server to drop the packet. In response to the potential for a future version of QUIC to define a smaller initial packet (@mikkelfj raised this point), I've included advice on what might be done to avoid having packets discarded. I realize that we don't have a patch that sets the packet size to 1200. I'm going to write that one now. This depends on that. * Review comments * Capitalize Client Initial * Expand more on the need for bufferring * Allow a stateless reset in addition to discard * Allow consumption of VN in response to 0-RTT * Add forward ref to packetization section * Jana's comments * Downgrade discard requirement to MAY prior to handshake Though I don't know why I need to care about the reason. * Remove text ----==_mimepart_59e00dfae820c_14b63feca9fc3c3c352c2-- From nobody Thu Oct 12 17:51:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06769133091 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:51:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WpoCjnM0tEJs for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E17AF1344B0 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:51:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=ES4lz7CScY6jKIAZpeznDub8qEE=; b=WI0wL7679svW3Q7j WRE2EHTZVT290qUh3SzGo6l5nJyT9+nnL1ZnPICRJMhCO3pCYvvzKClOGhC+SASr ygkfWAvyNjReh3idj7Fez9b5wTnXzs3ABfh4SYsmqgmxoTbYKoiWqWU/co1lIHgO 7dTZq6Y+spBwInqk5miJcTheBPs= Received: by filter0265p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0265p1iad2-31022-59E00DFC-44 2017-10-13 00:51:08.801151932 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0011p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id wjR5E2YHR2aTPvgFLZFT5w for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 00:51:08.825 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 00:51:09 +0000 (UTC) From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Define requirements for handling packets (#724) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e00dfcb942c_23e43f9bd1d1cf3497575"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2MTG4Lx2UnplageGYZS/qpQA2w8LwZskhpBJ 2NAlzbkoE7hNo6PfW7nrezMDk42tQondeDpkQtaZFYI62aaDw3LHsrnhQz/+FThHI87HGXzuawChEb HYpDeWdzAh9L5H/xqsYBMY2WxdlKhXGHTStFVvMehaM2N+Hvb82EMRqLAc9qRv+EsKcPsphMpCMM+r 8= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 00:51:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e00dfcb942c_23e43f9bd1d1cf3497575 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #724. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1462,11 +1462,14 @@ The draining period persists for three times the current Retransmission Timeout
 can be acknowledged, but no new application data can be sent on the connection.
 
 Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is
-in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  In all
-cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but
-other reactions might be preferable depending on how the connection was closed.
-An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets containing frames
-other than ACK, PADDING, or CONNECTION_CLOSE.
+in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  An endpoint
+that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame.
+
+An endpoint that receives either CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE while in
+the draining period can terminate the draining period immediately.  An endpoint
+that receives either of these frames can send a packet containing a

So the point of draining is to hang around to respond to packets that the peer doesn't know have been acknowledged. If we go into a draining period after sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE, then we have to wait until we hear back from the peer. When we hear back from the peer, they've heard us, we've heard them, and it's all good.

However the side that sends the last CONNECTION_CLOSE (in response to a received CONNECTION_CLOSE) cannot leave because it cannot be sure that the peer heard the last CONNECTION_CLOSE.

There more text that surely needs to be added here, so I say let's get this in and we can work out the details of how to finesse this later. I'll merge this.

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Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is -in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed. In all -cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but -other reactions might be preferable depending on how the connection was closed. -An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets containing frames -other than ACK, PADDING, or CONNECTION_CLOSE. +in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed. An endpoint +that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a +CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame. + +An endpoint that receives either CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE while in +the draining period can terminate the draining period immediately. An endpoint +that receives either of these frames can send a packet containing a Thanks a lot for walking me through the issues. The main issue is that if you exit draining too early, you might receive packets destined for the connection afterwards and they might be hard to handle, depending on the implementation, correct? Specifically, that is mostly a server side problem, as on the client side, you likely close the socket and don't have to worry about it any more? Is that reason enough to remove the optional mechanism for exiting the draining early? Shouldn't implementations that know they can't handle it well, just not exit early? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/853#discussion_r144445922 ----==_mimepart_59e0112aa9089_1b3453fcfd4fc8f30516e3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1462,11 +1462,14 @@ The draining period persists for three times the current Retransmission Timeout
 can be acknowledged, but no new application data can be sent on the connection.
 
 Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is
-in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  In all
-cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but
-other reactions might be preferable depending on how the connection was closed.
-An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets containing frames
-other than ACK, PADDING, or CONNECTION_CLOSE.
+in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  An endpoint
+that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame.
+
+An endpoint that receives either CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE while in
+the draining period can terminate the draining period immediately.  An endpoint
+that receives either of these frames can send a packet containing a

Thanks a lot for walking me through the issues. The main issue is that if you exit draining too early, you might receive packets destined for the connection afterwards and they might be hard to handle, depending on the implementation, correct? Specifically, that is mostly a server side problem, as on the client side, you likely close the socket and don't have to worry about it any more?

Is that reason enough to remove the optional mechanism for exiting the draining early? Shouldn't implementations that know they can't handle it well, just not exit early?

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Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is -in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed. In all -cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but -other reactions might be preferable depending on how the connection was closed. -An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets containing frames -other than ACK, PADDING, or CONNECTION_CLOSE. +in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed. An endpoint +that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a +CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame. + +An endpoint that receives either CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE while in +the draining period can terminate the draining period immediately. An endpoint +that receives either of these frames can send a packet containing a I think we can have text here that says something like the endpoint SHOULD hang around, which leaves a bit of wiggle room for folks who know what they're doing. I'd rather stipulate the thing that keeps folks safe and have the ones who know what they're doing circumvent the stipulation. Do you want to file an issue for leaving draining early? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/853#discussion_r144446348 ----==_mimepart_59e011fb7d2f6_71843fd0c25f2f30508be Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1462,11 +1462,14 @@ The draining period persists for three times the current Retransmission Timeout
 can be acknowledged, but no new application data can be sent on the connection.
 
 Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is
-in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  In all
-cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but
-other reactions might be preferable depending on how the connection was closed.
-An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets containing frames
-other than ACK, PADDING, or CONNECTION_CLOSE.
+in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  An endpoint
+that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame.
+
+An endpoint that receives either CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE while in
+the draining period can terminate the draining period immediately.  An endpoint
+that receives either of these frames can send a packet containing a

I think we can have text here that says something like the endpoint SHOULD hang around, which leaves a bit of wiggle room for folks who know what they're doing. I'd rather stipulate the thing that keeps folks safe and have the ones who know what they're doing circumvent the stipulation. Do you want to file an issue for leaving draining early?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1462,11 +1462,14 @@ The draining period persists for three times the current Retransmission Timeout
 can be acknowledged, but no new application data can be sent on the connection.
 
 Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is
-in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  In all
-cases, it is possible to acknowledge packets that are received as normal, but
-other reactions might be preferable depending on how the connection was closed.
-An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets containing frames
-other than ACK, PADDING, or CONNECTION_CLOSE.
+in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  An endpoint
+that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame.
+
+An endpoint that receives either CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE while in
+the draining period can terminate the draining period immediately.  An endpoint
+that receives either of these frames can send a packet containing a

Sure, I will open an issue.

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The client may have sent an entire RTT's worth of data, and will likely receive more than just one Stateless Reset in response.

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Sorry -- that wasn't a complete response.

As you say, this just means that the client hangs around gathering any d= angling stateless resets in the network. It's avoids strange side-effects, = like the ICMP unreachables that you indicate.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If a client closes the connection (via a CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE), it immediately enters the draining period. If it receives either an ACK for that packet or a CONNECTION_CLOSE in response, it can assume the server no longer needs any additional information and can immediately exit the draining period and clean up all remaining state (close the socket). I believe the same would be true if the server originated the close (though reordered packets may arrive afterwards still). In other words, if one side initiates the close, it should be able to immediately clean up local state in response to receiving some acknowledgement that the other side received the close, so long as it can correctly handle any packets that come in afterwards. The peer that receives the close frame must still go through the draining period though. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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If a client closes the connection (via a CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE), it immediately enters the draining period. If it receives either an ACK for that packet or a CONNECTION_CLOSE in response, it can assume the server no longer needs any additional information and can immediately exit the draining period and clean up all remaining state (close the socket).

I believe the same would be true if the server originated the close (though reordered packets may arrive afterwards still). In other words, if one side initiates the close, it should be able to immediately clean up local state in response to receiving some acknowledgement that the other side received the close, so long as it can correctly handle any packets that come in afterwards.

The peer that receives the close frame must still go through the draining period though.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This makes the 3RTO timer advisory (SHOULD). It also adds a note about leaving early. If you can be sure that the other side isn't going to send you more packets indefinitely, then you can end early if you are OK with receiving reordered or delayed packets. I also removed a residual mention of sending ACK frames in this state. Closes #869. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/870 -- Commit Summary -- * Tweaks for the draining period * Stateless reset works for early exit too -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (24) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/870.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/870.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/870 ----==_mimepart_59e018201e5d3_33003f7f2faaef2c48272 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This makes the 3RTO timer advisory (SHOULD).

It also adds a note about leaving early. If you can be sure that the other
side isn't going to send you more packets indefinitely, then you can end early
if you are OK with receiving reordered or delayed packets.

I also removed a residual mention of sending ACK frames in this state.

Closes #869.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/870

Commit Summary

  • Tweaks for the draining period
  • Stateless reset works for early exit too

File Changes

Patch Links:

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----==_mimepart_59e01aa06edb1_2bb23ff67a4daf344695b-- From nobody Thu Oct 12 19:13:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 121A413303A for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 19:13:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NSGR2nrCwCQa for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 19:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CCC80133343 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 19:13:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=rKuty5TkrxnS3HPa+5WKZ19nW+4=; b=hMK69oIee40a9gwT iQvtvmkJJq0Qr/NDecEhFHrpKUcyg5yfphI5PNx9+3bsvNupXseXGDrPV3NVljAo l83ztdKtGL9CBur3qmnvdEA1NIjDFohTFO/a0SCAzq3y+rVowNyjcmKiKtEL9FMX oXZ1GlShp6z1NZhdlnGpSsvCf78= Received: by filter0035p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0035p1iad2-1061-59E0213F-3F 2017-10-13 02:13:19.86172784 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0023p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id y2lw0hjEQIy2Kq6HFYK36Q for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 02:13:19.856 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 02:13:19 +0000 (UTC) From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Enter draining after receiving a stateless reset (#868) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e0213fc3d4c_42683f835c2f6f3898641"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1hyJJpNiEI9avnwwFWuFg4+gyRBYbG5QL5nJ yzVYWCVk1kUi/myc1ha8hVY6xTeR4/kccz+rXSCWyjgOJcYO7V4r+p/ggVvCSc3lf8RJuyBEx0gfEI pl420WKisH9FypxPte899vGS/FGg0Vm18yo9Uk9sQ0Aj3iRb4efMFDo3pA== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 02:13:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e0213fc3d4c_42683f835c2f6f3898641 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But you *also* drop packets during the idle period, whereas the draining period is clearly intended per the text to have you send packets. @janaiyengar @martinthomson: I disagree with this change and I don't think it should have been merged (it's not just within editor's discretion). How would you like to handle this? I can file a new issue or mail the list, or...? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/868#issuecomment-336330940 ----==_mimepart_59e0213fc3d4c_42683f835c2f6f3898641 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

But you also drop packets during the idle period, whereas the d= raining period is clearly intended per the text to have you send packets.

@janai= yengar @martinthomson: I disagree with this change and I don't think it sh= ould have been merged (it's not just within editor's discretion). How would= you like to handle this? I can file a new issue or mail the list, or...?

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This just seems like a hack for failing to acknowledge that there are times when draining is required and times when it's not. I'd like to see this whole section revisited rather than continuing to add epicycles.

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I think this needs to be re-opened. See my comments in #868

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Please file an issue. I don't understand your concern, so perhaps you should expand on it some more.

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It sounds like you have higher-level concerns than this. If you could write them up in an issue, that would be appreciated.

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Commit: 617dc338b317d217441aeac48756bd4a1bc11925 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/617dc338b317d217441aeac48756bd4a1bc11925 Author: EKR Date: 2017-09-28 (Thu, 28 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Nits from Jana Commit: aa0a4d71c6d99e6adeb278407c4c211b88c83c29 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/aa0a4d71c6d99e6adeb278407c4c211b88c83c29 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-09-28 (Thu, 28 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Don't retransmit old MAX_STREAM_DATA and MAX_DATA Commit: d704d00613a2ff9de3d0f96288c5cececca6027e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d704d00613a2ff9de3d0f96288c5cececca6027e Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-09-28 (Thu, 28 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- reflow Commit: 8cf389da6e5ccc118abcfb8d714ee101c752fdb0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8cf389da6e5ccc118abcfb8d714ee101c752fdb0 Author: EKR Date: 2017-09-29 (Fri, 29 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Jana's comments plus bonus editorial fix Commit: d93dd90fc1d8e9fffaac54b99fcd406fec141bd6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d93dd90fc1d8e9fffaac54b99fcd406fec141bd6 Author: ianswett Date: 2017-10-02 (Mon, 02 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Must not ack acks Commit: 9aa2a109a901ada3adc86ff72543edb2b8631c70 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9aa2a109a901ada3adc86ff72543edb2b8631c70 Author: ianswett Date: 2017-10-02 (Mon, 02 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Commit: 9105969d8ee23d51129a43f4879e1a01fd98efb4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9105969d8ee23d51129a43f4879e1a01fd98efb4 Author: ianswett Date: 2017-10-02 (Mon, 02 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Commit: 7edf4e0e0735a9e1ffb2645f1a1e4e91e819aee5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7edf4e0e0735a9e1ffb2645f1a1e4e91e819aee5 Author: EKR Date: 2017-10-02 (Mon, 02 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Simplify stateless retry. There's no reason for it to contain ACKs or padding. Commit: 03db4e3ffc8aee5cba8bd78535db7e291fd7a5d2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/03db4e3ffc8aee5cba8bd78535db7e291fd7a5d2 Author: EKR Date: 2017-10-02 (Mon, 02 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Revise text a bit Commit: fcb91e33ada1c14743fb268decb2c4691fafe8a3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fcb91e33ada1c14743fb268decb2c4691fafe8a3 Author: EKR Date: 2017-10-02 (Mon, 02 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Grrr... Line length Commit: ca81183b9c1c7042c36b0e282f57cad6831b0e3c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ca81183b9c1c7042c36b0e282f57cad6831b0e3c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-03 (Tue, 03 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Capitalize ACK Commit: 6a1bdd641ef563af94f1b67c9affc56d1262e1ce https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6a1bdd641ef563af94f1b67c9affc56d1262e1ce Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-03 (Tue, 03 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #815 from quicwg/ianswett-must-not-ack-acks Must not ack acks Commit: 378fa42424be49a5c162a5d78d6ced3f9a79c1be https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/378fa42424be49a5c162a5d78d6ced3f9a79c1be Author: EKR Date: 2017-10-03 (Tue, 03 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Clarify the first flight, explicitly excluding NST Commit: b99576656731b247df676120978b2f1d67b9afaa https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b99576656731b247df676120978b2f1d67b9afaa Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-03 (Tue, 03 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #828 from ekr/first_flight Clarify the first flight, explicitly excluding NST Commit: 11539390136fa36270807b5335a1be714d746787 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/11539390136fa36270807b5335a1be714d746787 Author: Mark Nottingham Date: 2017-10-05 (Thu, 05 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M CONTRIBUTING.md Log Message: ----------- Update CONTRIBUTING.md Commit: f0034b4fa1a63b657054a8fbadeea85b6bf38cea https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f0034b4fa1a63b657054a8fbadeea85b6bf38cea Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-05 (Thu, 05 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Split error code space (#722) * Split error code space This creates two orthogonal spaces for error codes. Application error codes can be used for both connection and stream errors and are under the control of the application protocol. Transport error codes are QUIC-controlled, but can only terminate the connection. To fix this, I had to add IANA considerations for error codes, plus a few extra tweaks. I think that the error code space could be narrowed to 16 bits after this, if only to keep things sane. Closes #132. * s/Public Reset/Stateless Reset/ * Get codes consistent * Make STOP_SENDING application-specific as well * Split errors in HTTP too * Refine description of HTTP codes * Move TLS errors closer * Match the names * Add HTTP_NO_ERROR * Review comments * Jana's comments * Small tweak at Mike's suggestion * Reword STOP_SENDING text to avoid implication of mandatory RST_STREAM * Better track changes on master * Reword advice on application error codes * Steal a code from the application * Simply reserve the RST_STREAM code of 0. * Application error code missed * We really should just call this STOPPING Commit: 5cc00feb3ff006e79677cd3632149b29a6c2daf7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5cc00feb3ff006e79677cd3632149b29a6c2daf7 Author: ianswett Date: 2017-10-05 (Thu, 05 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove Timestamps Commit: 94d820a9b5a7e9798ed90689881b373be06a6508 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/94d820a9b5a7e9798ed90689881b373be06a6508 Author: ianswett Date: 2017-10-05 (Thu, 05 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Remove timestamps from Recovery Commit: 51a27f8f3614d3c42d3706f6e6994e4eeabd0ed0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/51a27f8f3614d3c42d3706f6e6994e4eeabd0ed0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-09 (Mon, 09 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #841 from quicwg/ianswett-remove-timestamps Remove Timestamps Commit: a0c571b42e22bdbf2f8e49f9fec03c2be6816ab5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a0c571b42e22bdbf2f8e49f9fec03c2be6816ab5 Author: EKR Date: 2017-10-09 (Mon, 09 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- AEAD all packets. Fixed #693, Fixes #840. This makes the change we discussed in Seattle where all Cleartext packets are encrypted with AES-GCM using a key derived from the client connection ID and a random per-version value. Note: I generated this value using randomness.org. Commit: cf605489cedb96ccc796ba5735d132e81b5e56c4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cf605489cedb96ccc796ba5735d132e81b5e56c4 Author: EKR Date: 2017-10-09 (Mon, 09 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Update salt. This salt isn't random but rather is the git hash of the revision corresponding to the -06 drafts. It's still essentially arbitrary but now it's predictable arbitrary. Commit: 796649842c33cff4d4c1621cdfe45027a07b1751 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/796649842c33cff4d4c1621cdfe45027a07b1751 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-10 (Tue, 10 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #844 from ekr/aead_all_the_things AEAD all packets. Fixed #693, Fixes #840. Commit: 66ab0da60e2f91a8ac2c141c4ca9e9834a9bf1ad https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/66ab0da60e2f91a8ac2c141c4ca9e9834a9bf1ad Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-10 (Tue, 10 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Followup for cleartext AEAD change The change in #844 didn't mention the hash function used with HKDF. It is pretty obviously SHA-256, but we need to write that down. Also a few editorial changes. Commit: 774270c1cf4b94d57ecf7cf1814b29508bef2353 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/774270c1cf4b94d57ecf7cf1814b29508bef2353 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-10 (Tue, 10 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #845 from quicwg/fixup-aead Followup for cleartext AEAD change Commit: 372c1e6c942ec496474677a1e141d4c2afcd8702 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/372c1e6c942ec496474677a1e141d4c2afcd8702 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-11 (Wed, 11 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- capitalize STREAM Commit: ac65e655a3189501728d17978ca6e99405730a6f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ac65e655a3189501728d17978ca6e99405730a6f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-11 (Wed, 11 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #817 from ekr/simplify_stateless_retry Simplify stateless retry Commit: 7aca15726ef848fbc7705347d664e6cbde41b5b3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7aca15726ef848fbc7705347d664e6cbde41b5b3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-10 (Tue, 10 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Version Negotiation packet format is version-invariant (#819) Otherwise, version negotiation doesn't work. Commit: 871ec714d8e162e21e023181fa9b73c4eaef79c6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/871ec714d8e162e21e023181fa9b73c4eaef79c6 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-11 (Wed, 11 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fixup for #817 Commit: d7b3a3980dacea8a4753529801c3f211cb1711ad https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d7b3a3980dacea8a4753529801c3f211cb1711ad Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-11 (Wed, 11 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #807 from quicwg/old-max-data Don't retransmit old MAX_STREAM_DATA and MAX_DATA Commit: 552b6bc82363895d9bda73fd7598381ee4667609 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/552b6bc82363895d9bda73fd7598381ee4667609 Author: Patrick McManus Date: 2017-10-10 (Tue, 10 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- HTTP Integration Error Nits * error codes can be used with stop_sending Commit: 4d997948698029427bf5f67f4fe83206db612bbf https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4d997948698029427bf5f67f4fe83206db612bbf Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-11 (Wed, 11 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reflow Commit: cbe9dbd043d0dc94eed1a12d89f54a538cc5092c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cbe9dbd043d0dc94eed1a12d89f54a538cc5092c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-11 (Wed, 11 Oct 2017) Changed paths: A .circleci/config.yml M CONTRIBUTING.md M Makefile R circle.yml M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into stream_0_flow_control_nit Commit: 0ab0907410d5cb1ee401cdba6628d10efe81e6e8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0ab0907410d5cb1ee401cdba6628d10efe81e6e8 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-11 (Wed, 11 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove application close As agreed, this moves the graceful shutdown under the banner of an immediate close. That is, the application protocol negotiates a shutdown. Once the agreed state has been reached, endpoints send APPLICATION_CLOSE and we are done. Closes #854. Commit: fd567148415328812df3153a60cfc965cadceefb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fd567148415328812df3153a60cfc965cadceefb Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-11 (Wed, 11 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #803 from ekr/stream_0_flow_control_nit A tiny nit: the ClientHello is not subject to MAX_STREAM_DATA. Commit: 8cf88aad4f84cbaac14cb272ea8a0f8f878ea435 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8cf88aad4f84cbaac14cb272ea8a0f8f878ea435 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2017-10-11 (Wed, 11 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Adds substantive descriptions of loss detection mechanisms (#801) * Added text to overview * TLP text added * More changes * finished RTO and HTO text * Ian's comments * lucas comment * trailing whitespaces Commit: 0fa5b517adfd7023b525ff97a9cdd2630af22d8c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0fa5b517adfd7023b525ff97a9cdd2630af22d8c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-12 (Thu, 12 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Use RFC 8126 for IANA considerations Commit: 4912c2086954b57f5f494dfe4ccbfb42774a0e2b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4912c2086954b57f5f494dfe4ccbfb42774a0e2b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-12 (Thu, 12 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update PMTUD references RFC 1981 was obsoleted by RFC 8201. Commit: 101a4cadafc994ba17aefe24445cba3c2ad81a19 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/101a4cadafc994ba17aefe24445cba3c2ad81a19 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-12 (Thu, 12 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Uppercase SHOULD not Commit: 2ecc0ff6110c063c2be461e4c2eb41dcf87895a1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2ecc0ff6110c063c2be461e4c2eb41dcf87895a1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-12 (Thu, 12 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M Makefile M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Shorten line (#861) * Fix linting rule for figures * Shorten line by a few characters Commit: 105193d281e2f74e8b078c4e0938678684c2962f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/105193d281e2f74e8b078c4e0938678684c2962f Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-10-12 (Thu, 12 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- STOPPING is sent by transport not application Commit: 82eefdef4a7da22bb20bedab5a672e2f2fe86320 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/82eefdef4a7da22bb20bedab5a672e2f2fe86320 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-12 (Thu, 12 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Move stateless reset token to the end (#842) * Move stateless reset token to the end This makes the location of the token fixed with respect to the end of packets, which makes it easier to find. It also expands the conditions for checking the token, which now include cases where packets appear to be duplicated. Closes #820. * Define the packet type more precisely * Define what termination means for stateless reset * Larger packet number encodings make identification easier * Clients can dump state on stateless reset * Corrections suggested by @ianswett Commit: 9182b4034eabbc4a2e7de3e0f43f197bc4e61ec4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9182b4034eabbc4a2e7de3e0f43f197bc4e61ec4 Author: EKR Date: 2017-10-12 (Thu, 12 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- SHA-1 is 20 bytes. Fixes #865 Commit: fbc18c86c85bc8d77e873e9caecfa98252a460c9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fbc18c86c85bc8d77e873e9caecfa98252a460c9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- The fixed salt is 20 octets Commit: 2fc0029c137f4522aa1085f3b215b99eabb399e5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2fc0029c137f4522aa1085f3b215b99eabb399e5 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #866 from ekr/sha1_is_20_bytes SHA-1 is 20 bytes. Fixes #865 Commit: 7af651dd903d94bebfe5c7bf52124ec9f6aa954f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7af651dd903d94bebfe5c7bf52124ec9f6aa954f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #863 from quicwg/stopping STOPPING is sent by transport not application Commit: 0bf810aef744e0f5067fad7c3020dcd0d6a1ea24 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0bf810aef744e0f5067fad7c3020dcd0d6a1ea24 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-12 (Thu, 12 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Make error codes smaller (#851) * Make error codes smaller * Correct diagram and hyphens Commit: 2e4d9bcc51951d719d6e99f3c346b1dae388f52e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2e4d9bcc51951d719d6e99f3c346b1dae388f52e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- The application protocol negotiates Commit: 11d77c0e3339401553a258fa57592fb2bd31bd11 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/11d77c0e3339401553a258fa57592fb2bd31bd11 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #855 from quicwg/remove-app-close Remove application close Commit: 359b528a00a03c8cb5a3c3726cbe2488e7ba5dbb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/359b528a00a03c8cb5a3c3726cbe2488e7ba5dbb Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #860 from quicwg/pmtu-8201 Update PMTUD references Commit: 8b05969bc612560b7a81f34b0331e1a4998999ce https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8b05969bc612560b7a81f34b0331e1a4998999ce Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'iana-8126' Commit: 4fa1fcf62e0ed22150edaa6fabade891b492640f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4fa1fcf62e0ed22150edaa6fabade891b492640f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-12 (Thu, 12 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Define requirements for handling packets (#724) * Define requirements for handling packets We never really said how to handle incoming packets. This adds a section on that. This was originally motivated by #570, where the rules for what to generate a Version Negotiation packet for were a little unclear. Now though, this is a far more comprehensive description of what to do with a packet that is received. For #570, I've chosen to limit packet size. If the packet is too small, then this requires the server to drop the packet. In response to the potential for a future version of QUIC to define a smaller initial packet (@mikkelfj raised this point), I've included advice on what might be done to avoid having packets discarded. I realize that we don't have a patch that sets the packet size to 1200. I'm going to write that one now. This depends on that. * Review comments * Capitalize Client Initial * Expand more on the need for bufferring * Allow a stateless reset in addition to discard * Allow consumption of VN in response to 0-RTT * Add forward ref to packetization section * Jana's comments * Downgrade discard requirement to MAY prior to handshake Though I don't know why I need to care about the reason. * Remove text Commit: 6bc3a96d216e4e599df0b2089b7ef3c4040c86c3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6bc3a96d216e4e599df0b2089b7ef3c4040c86c3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-12 (Thu, 12 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove ACKs from draining period (#853) * Remove ACKs from draining period As agreed at the interim, this removes the ability to acknowledge during the draining period. An endpoint can use the APPLICATION_CLOSE/CONNECTION_CLOSE frame to exit this state early (it's a kind of ACK). Closes #852. * s/can/MAY terminate draining period early * Remove paragraph about terminating draining period early Commit: 9f06ddc030125b5d9952c88ae4d63932e4146448 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9f06ddc030125b5d9952c88ae4d63932e4146448 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-12 (Thu, 12 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Enter draining after receiving a stateless reset (#868) If a client receives a stateless reset, it makes sense for it to stick around in the draining period so that you can absorb any further stateless reset packets that might have been sent by the server. The server might have received multiple packets, so it might also generate multiple resets. Commit: ff18a21c2b81d73ac868d3772b48ef8f99f37e64 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ff18a21c2b81d73ac868d3772b48ef8f99f37e64 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M CONTRIBUTING.md M Makefile M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into pn-randomize Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/cd25f2ad734e...ff18a21c2b81 ----==_mimepart_59e02d8290122_44c13fc7b0165c30482f2-- From nobody Thu Oct 12 21:14:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18DF113431A for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 21:14:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5WZppTqbMqZi for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 21:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57FD813431C for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 21:14:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=pCJeyChBaP0dq8hcnboxdyQAZyw=; b=m1GbbktEN52OOFOH UoBRkkuB/IU0roP32Q7YbtWHssUr4I7J8n7BlfaHfXRQCQuyFT+DpToxLdBdBc05 hscdfovJAQ96CgjmoRaYD06dO6qX4dNw3cSzU43oIYcUDwCvmZpPANxqUDECvUye T/nNOXuAhUnH2ZRALRFOvjyKQ6M= Received: by filter0090p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0090p1iad2-13397-59E03D8D-14 2017-10-13 04:14:05.212260612 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0007p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id Cj5_m7yUQI2EA1P2RZ2P1Q for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 04:14:05.204 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 04:14:05 +0000 (UTC) From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] You don't always need the draining period (#871) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e03d8d228f4_3e483fd13db94f309382a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2rM4xvaIthd/WGzPbqsS+B4lRo/4SuUP1QhX 7X8DYeg+W4+3cf4PuRVQfxR9lgDi/xE3VfdOwnov3CQWCo0h/a7tBwGAengiviL6siF0Ej8a8oaHFq FjEVh8c8+iOsMBKsDJASaoVYGJyJTRPvGbLixLPJX3rYjkV8UzqYJgtsBw== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 04:14:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e03d8d228f4_3e483fd13db94f309382a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PR#868 doubled down on the draining and the proposal for PR#870 is about creating an exception to the draining period. The basic problem here is spec confusion about the draining period, specifically, whether it's some sort "do nothing state" or whether it's a state where you're supposed to send packets. So, we have: ``` The draining period persists for three times the current Retransmission Timeout (RTO) interval as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. During this period, new packets can be acknowledged, but no new application data can be sent on the connection. Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed. An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame. Once the draining period has ended, an endpoint SHOULD discard per-connection state. This results in new packets on the connection being discarded. An endpoint MAY send a stateless reset in response to any further incoming packets. ``` However, in the specific case of stateless reset, the only thing that the connection needs to do is the thing in the fourth paragraph, which is *after* the draining period, namely discard packets (note that it can't send a stateless reset because that's forbidden). The right fix for this is to have *two* states: 1. A state where you're expected to occasionally respond to new packets with something that says "go away" (e.g., CONNECTION_CLOSE) and where we're prescriptive about you doing that. 2. A state where you're expected to silently discard packets (perhaps with a stateless reset). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/871 ----==_mimepart_59e03d8d228f4_3e483fd13db94f309382a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

PR#868 doubled down on the draining and the proposal for PR#870 is about creating an exception to the draining period.

The basic problem here is spec confusion about the draining period, specifically, whether it's some sort "do nothing state" or whether it's a state where you're supposed to send packets. So, we have:

The draining period persists for three times the current Retransmission Timeout
(RTO) interval as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.  During this period, new packets
can be acknowledged, but no new application data can be sent on the connection.

Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is
in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.

An endpoint that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets unless they
contain a CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame.

Once the draining period has ended, an endpoint SHOULD discard per-connection
state.  This results in new packets on the connection being discarded.  An
endpoint MAY send a stateless reset in response to any further incoming packets.

However, in the specific case of stateless reset, the only thing that the connection needs to do is the thing in the fourth paragraph, which is after the draining period, namely discard packets (note that it can't send a stateless reset because that's forbidden).

The right fix for this is to have two states:

  1. A state where you're expected to occasionally respond to new packets with something that says "go away" (e.g., CONNECTION_CLOSE) and where we're prescriptive about you doing that.

  2. A state where you're expected to silently discard packets (perhaps with a stateless reset).

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We would have the same problems in quic-go. Excluding 0 makes the code so much easier, please make it 1.

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Merged #784.

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Since #850 isn't resolving, I'm going to merge this and then we can continue to fight about whether 0 is special or not at our leisure.

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Closes #823. Commit: cd25f2ad734eae4b3712e66440b241f035f98f66 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cd25f2ad734eae4b3712e66440b241f035f98f66 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-11 (Wed, 11 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reword to narrow increment scope Commit: ff18a21c2b81d73ac868d3772b48ef8f99f37e64 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ff18a21c2b81d73ac868d3772b48ef8f99f37e64 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M CONTRIBUTING.md M Makefile M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into pn-randomize Commit: 611ada6bbdbb16b5431635d16a5ff48d9db1d0f7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/611ada6bbdbb16b5431635d16a5ff48d9db1d0f7 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #824 from quicwg/pn-randomize Remove packet number re-randomization requirement Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/b15cc14c9fe2...611ada6bbdbb ----==_mimepart_59e09915502a8_76f43fbc6e377c3c682fe-- From nobody Fri Oct 13 03:44:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D178133054 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 03:44:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5yo_z4KYDecx for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 03:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext7.iad.github.net [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1E25132153 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 03:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 03:44:40 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507891480; bh=8rhdkqVCQByTvNUrXHVTxXZFRgudtTu2mU+nY5zx98g=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=hv8VVCpCS6r3NJbZzO3LTjkmZCKLoJ8GSbEV7mWXoASuxwFytzzHQ4fIcXdGJ7bSY XWEvnZ5pgbILASl/JwdwzvhF++bZsmMjNX/m6FEyO8MBIF9KyOGzYgLzqYoU8JHrCJ +BbHzKgr9TjK2SNXAcz7Lc4z0oVMn9dEqDNCwyME= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Re-randomization for packet numbers (#823) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e09918248c7_117f3f9d4f3bcf2879770"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 10:44:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e09918248c7_117f3f9d4f3bcf2879770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #823 via #824. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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It simplifies the encoding considerably, most noticeably in the ACK frame, which I have largely rewritten. This change increases the number of streams to 2^62, but reduces the number of packets and octets per stream to that same number. Both are very large values anyway. I kept the 2^10 scaling on the connection-level flow control window, so that goes to 2^72 now. The cost for ACK is a negligible decrease in efficiency for larger gaps or ACK blocks (mainly between 64 and 255 in length). This is counteracted by an increase in efficiency if there are occasional ranges or gaps larger than 255, which were previously very difficult to encode correctly. As previously discussed, the timestamp format is removed. In its place, we use the same integer encoding, but with a scaling value, or exponent, that is signaled in transport parameters, that should allow common ACK delays to be expressed in fewer octets (an exponent of 0 only allows for 16ms to be encoded in two octets, but the default exponent is 8, allowing up to 128ms of ACK delay to be encoded on two octets with an 8us resolution). I haven't made any changes for HTTP yet, I plan to do that in a separate PR. ----==_mimepart_59e09da3a8bee_9b0e3f826faffc2c1031f9-- From nobody Fri Oct 13 04:06:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BBD81326FE for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 04:06:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mPQamN2XcJaR for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 04:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDFDC132026 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 04:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 04:06:51 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507892811; bh=jV95WBHrKtzfbzbqbdlL3TZFdPlrUJnM3dAQtGHBx4c=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=KhP7s4Mmb2cQUdzIrKICeeplg5zgTBWO/vGxHOhEVVXYBMF2FcsBGTF7fuxl/HNNX i49PvB7DO7u2p50AGsgKBrTzMdnxiSp3cuUH0p7E0H5IXC9c9PjdCCC5NYzPrb/it3 yEMGmaVCFL26tAe2rOqVENGnEo/MzKhAah5hTUgE= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Transport integer encoding proposal (f2f8113) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e09e4b5b889_1a83a3fe06ac32f28227a9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:06:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e09e4b5b889_1a83a3fe06ac32f28227a9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See also https://github.com/martinthomson/quic-int -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Commit: 21f5d8cce021a037db1b4d4dbf610cb0a4ce5725 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/21f5d8cce021a037db1b4d4dbf610cb0a4ce5725 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #857 from quicwg/remove-long-1rtt-types Remove 1-RTT protected long header types Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/611ada6bbdbb...21f5d8cce021 ----==_mimepart_59e0a106e09f_1b0b3fdbc3bdbc38109333-- From nobody Fri Oct 13 04:18:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB4013239C for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 04:18:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wi2fIZTJYcBP for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 04:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext4.iad.github.net [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F6A01286C7 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 04:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 04:18:32 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507893512; bh=bvNZuIahsdLrqoqeUqdMluFXIJXCP0181QgUVoUufMg=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=J+5Ipy/EQc2JLaf1M3UnD7qsUpD/o7f2LDZfGkizgJGscK2O7YiIH0SYIAwCsoAcj QPmP5BbW/7mYHgoDW8eSrAU6gpsoGfc7LnC+8JlhvPueNIO4zkuSCrK/p8E8YSBIdL XDeJWFaoQz9K+xgNTOCSDozarHpjxc8Q6Busm7b0= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Long header variants for 1-RTT protected packets (#848) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e0a1087661c_6d563f9a83d5ef28108b2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:18:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e0a1087661c_6d563f9a83d5ef28108b2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #848 via #857. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Closed #848 via #857.

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Some additional perspective: Should it be required that an integer is encoded in canonical form, i.e. the smallest possible representation. If so, it would be possible to lexicographically compare two integers when encoded in big endian format. Additionally, if a sign were to be added for any reason, this could be done by halfing the range of each size and use the MSB 0 to indicate negative and MSB 1 to represent positive. This is neither ones nor twos complement, but it makes it much easier to store in binary search trees or in tries, and again, it allows for direct lexicographical comparison. Another thought: The UTF-8 encoding format could also be a starting point for an encoding, but I prefer the current proposal. I have not looked closely at the benchmark implementation, but from other highperformance tests on integer encodings I have learned that the fastest way to decode values is to hardcode a binary search path in code, here with two branches that can efficiently utilize branch prediction. if data[0] < 0x02 then { if data[0] < 0x01 then mask and read 1 byte else mask and read 2 bytes } else { if data[0] > 0x02 then mask and read 8 bytes else mask and read 4 bytes } This is much better than table lookup. Each branch can then directly read the number of bytes required while also doing endian conversion. As this small piece of code can be in a single function it is likely to be in hot instruction cache, and it can also inline efficiently if call overhead is dominating. The previous format required storing the sizes in different temporary variables after reading the frame type flags which is likely more wasteful in terms of registers, code size and cache. 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I think this is a good format, and I am especially happy with the stream= id range. Some additional perspective:

Should it be required that an integer is encoded in canonical form, i.e.= the smallest possible representation. If so, it would be possible to lexic= ographically compare two integers when encoded in big endian format.

Additionally, if a sign were to be added for any reason, this could be d= one by halfing the range of each size and use the MSB 0 to indicate negativ= e and MSB 1 to represent positive. This is neither ones nor twos complement= , but it makes it much easier to store in binary search trees or in tries, = and again, it allows for direct lexicographical comparison.

Another thought: The UTF-8 encoding format could also be a starting poin= t for an encoding, but I prefer the current proposal.

I have not looked closely at the benchmark implementation, but from othe= r highperformance tests on integer encodings I have learned that the fastes= t way to decode values is to hardcode a binary search path in code, here wi= th two branches that can efficiently utilize branch prediction.

if data[0] < 0x02 then { if data[0] < 0x01 then mask and read 1 by= te else mask and read 2 bytes } else { if data[0] > 0x02 then mask and r= ead 8 bytes else mask and read 4 bytes }

This is much better than table lookup. Each branch can then directly rea= d the number of bytes required while also doing endian conversion.

As this small piece of code can be in a single function it is likely to = be in hot instruction cache, and it can also inline efficiently if call ove= rhead is dominating.

The previous format required storing the sizes in different temporary va= riables after reading the frame type flags which is likely more wasteful in= terms of registers, code size and cache.

For some specific integer fields it might make sense to restrict the ran= ge, for example (not saying it should be so), a padding frame might start w= ith a length which is at most one byte in length, but allowing for repeat p= adding frames.

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"Contain" might not be the right word. The FIN bit indicates the frame= that ends with final offset of the stream. There is exactly one such fra= me for normally terminated streams and there is at most one such frame fo= r streams that are reset.

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+1 to this proposal (IIRC it's pretty much what was discussed at the Paris interim).

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that is, the frame contains the first octets of a stream, or no octets if the FIN bit is also set.

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Is there any requirement that stream frames are sent in order? I believe there should be such a requirement, although packets can still arrive out of order.

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When is this not the case? Error codes?

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See also my review comment on integer encoding format. I should probably have written those comments here instead.

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----==_mimepart_59e0bd6e79b94_575f3ff4bd828f387305e-- From nobody Fri Oct 13 06:21:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CAE0133047 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 06:21:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xYGFQFSHg3BR for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 06:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA9A213295C for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 06:21:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=oqQaer9AEdylbDmSNEmd5FZxJPs=; b=Ju6kbkPjkJQ6Ndcw VwbBUIW0N+JtaQoO8yhOS2WU3xLl5U0X6cbRk2V89xeC7JLNcfoTf3sNly5K64u8 4ekVEq1qLT7opnSOkPLSXniHquykLrBskWIrFqnEsNPhp/67xfxoGnpH/ksYgt2Q Ndd8hqKgF8F4ogj96Hh6QOKj1aw= Received: by filter0090p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0090p1iad2-13397-59E0BDD4-3F 2017-10-13 13:21:24.806479985 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0002p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 59o86AqERHqkdJcb13nooQ for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 13:21:24.812 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 13:21:25 +0000 (UTC) From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clients don't drain after stateless reset (#867) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e0bdd49ae3_17d933ff353902f281001fc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3X/k3du+SkRslFXZFY/stIwHtgT9vFv2f0ak CDDJ0WIV+3El4FtQbDhvVzNsfQcoER0JMn/ost99gR/YzdNlQ1GyRYU8QK0Zhy0yWXkzlCP3yDHe4S UlH1bXxC9bBcrvwUb6Vv47O1Og5BuWij2PY7gyf9YGUw6hSTgEx/PzkSry+w370dSnXvKMMnI2mfxI 8= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 13:21:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e0bdd49ae3_17d933ff353902f281001fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tend to agree. There is nothing useful the client can do after receiving a stateless reset and there's nothing to send. The most complex case I can imagine is a client using the same port for multiple QUIC connections, so the port is still listening. In such a case, it would have to continue discarding incoming stateless reset packets, but that's true of any 'junk' packet not associated with an open connection. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/867#issuecomment-336450652 ----==_mimepart_59e0bdd49ae3_17d933ff353902f281001fc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I tend to agree. There is nothing useful the client can do after receiv= ing a stateless reset and there's nothing to send.

The most complex case I can imagine is a client using the same port for = multiple QUIC connections, so the port is still listening. In such a case,= it would have to continue discarding incoming stateless reset packets, but= that's true of any 'junk' packet not associated with an open connection.

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Reopened #867.

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why is the final gap repeated?

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I personally like this proposal, though I do have one comment related to= the ACK frame changes. WinQuic tends to parse and build these frames from = smallest to largest packet number. It used to just require a minor equation= to calculate the end based on the number of blocks/gaps. That would no lon= ger be possible with this design.

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= ----==_mimepart_59e0c27ad28a0_13a33ff3d4246f28683c0-- From nobody Fri Oct 13 06:42:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43348133068 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 06:42:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.474 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.474 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h7Djj1TatLKg for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 06:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13516132F7D for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 06:42:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=YYUmfSnJ9X8UYQLjX8HFQeXzj5c=; b=YyhVpQOlZJjNRoI8 znMNp29b4KvXkvzjMRBaHNMBBJSXMw7Nhpi3LaEOKZEfaQ/E3myermtALVQNkmA2 H6hRshJwFie7Lyaf8s1tLxUScr69hIsuukI8HuVTOy+F53Bf2Zzmblp7bLIOaKm2 yJvyxNYdo53oKTogrMkeJMAPOf8= Received: by filter0825p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0825p1mdw1-12134-59E0C2AA-15 2017-10-13 13:42:02.869150194 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id x00R1lEOQuWn-w8BdHsncA for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 13:42:02.840 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 13:42:03 +0000 (UTC) From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Transport integer encoding proposal (f2f8113) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e0c2aaaed76_360d3f7eb7716f2c1309d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2tZfT5fPGBRp4Nx/8g397/D6qdVlHgNjnf+W U2ZmSupXOPdKykSaHKLS9l4T1R85ySDu+FhSOumABkfdInub+CU0WV4kjnecmyfLVc5r+trAi8sKUJ UcpEsgmiglE+VR8i61rRI80tn7k4XfcTG4dTzm915Qc8Bn3p6TqxtCGQvGO+hgp5ADUL0FggOm5+nL Q= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 13:42:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e0c2aaaed76_360d3f7eb7716f2c1309d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's not repeated. It's `0` to indicate no more gaps follow. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f2f8113a72f94523a53f1180b1a1c0bfa4d6eef4#commitcomment-24958005 ----==_mimepart_59e0c2aaaed76_360d3f7eb7716f2c1309d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It's not repeated. It's 0 to indicate no more gaps follow.

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You call it scale above and exponent here. I think this is better named a shift, correct?

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+1, I think this should always be true now?

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----==_mimepart_59e0c64f94f63_6f423f8e9331cf34982ac-- From nobody Fri Oct 13 07:05:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27B713295C for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 07:05:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IkI1GlYgYjtd for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 07:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BC531286C7 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 07:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 07:05:31 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507903531; bh=HUMaKIi2RTTtXQi8cOuo/lQdbSZ0EikVbNqPYaRdedI=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=gwalbcOPpT2o+R9LYwek0zZuUZXjLPrLvje1Y+nxgJYbzz+5y/VPKygdjjLF73V8U xn9HYmP/i4rll1FJOX4/ATIEj9Kx9dppcHWvYmwW/r0dPNZiXZch+OTTxEvLJHj5N5 LA212rYLYfKRXOjvIQYvlzX3M8NzPQnUCNMLP8uY= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Transport integer encoding proposal (f2f8113) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e0c82b3c54e_b9b3f8e9331cf3410023a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 14:05:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e0c82b3c54e_b9b3f8e9331cf3410023a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On the ACK block encoding, I find it hard to read, and have always had problems with interpreting the text since I first encountered QUIC. I propose removing the largest acked since it isn't really guaranteed to be the largest the peer has seen. Instead have the following structure: ``` First Ack Packet (in this frame) (varlen) (present exactly once) First Ack Block Length (varlen, non-zero) {Gap length (varlen, non-zero), Ack Block length (varlen, non-zero)} repeated 0 or more times. Terminal Gap (varlen, always-zero) ``` "There is a least one packet acknownledged by the ACK frame and it is identified by the First Ack Packet. The First Ack Block Length indicates the number of consequtive packets being acknowledged, starting with the First Ack Packet. Additional ranges can be ackowledged by skipping Gap length packet numbers to reach the start of the next Ack Block and the length of this block is given the Ack Block length field. Pairs of (Gap Length, Ack Block Length) can be repeated zero or more times until the Gap length is encoded as a zero." Note: there is special case of only acknowleding one packet where the First Ack Block Length could be encoded in a more compact format. If this is relevant, The First Ack Block could be the only value present and have a dedicacated flag to encode this. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f2f8113a72f94523a53f1180b1a1c0bfa4d6eef4#commitcomment-24958496 ----==_mimepart_59e0c82b3c54e_b9b3f8e9331cf3410023a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On the ACK block encoding, I find it hard to read, and have always had= problems with interpreting the text since I first encountered QUIC.

I propose removing the largest acked since it isn't really guaranteed = to be the largest the peer has seen.

Instead have the following structure:

First Ack Packet (in this frame) (varlen) (present exactly onc=
e)
First Ack Block Length (varlen, non-zero)
{Gap length (varlen, non-zero), Ack Block length (varlen, non-zero)} repe=
ated 0 or more times.
Terminal Gap (varlen, always-zero)

"There is a least one packet acknownledged by the ACK frame and it is = identified by the First Ack Packet. The First Ack Block Length indicates = the number of consequtive packets being acknowledged, starting with the F= irst Ack Packet. Additional ranges can be ackowledged by skipping Gap len= gth packet numbers to reach the start of the next Ack Block and the lengt= h of this block is given the Ack Block length field. Pairs of (Gap Length= , Ack Block Length) can be repeated zero or more times until the Gap leng= th is encoded as a zero."

Note: there is special case of only acknowleding one packet where the = First Ack Block Length could be encoded in a more compact format. If this= is relevant, The First Ack Block could be the only value present and hav= e a dedicacated flag to encode this.

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See also my proposal in the comments section below. I could also see a= block count instead of a terminal Gap - I disallowed zero length blocks.= Though, terminal value or block count, I don't think it makes much diffe= rence.

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The text states that it is repeated. +Final Gap (repeated):

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Agreed, it needs to be clarified they're in descending order prior to discussing the math, because it's confusing.

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----==_mimepart_59e0c9e3386f6_40543f7e993b2f343594c-- From nobody Fri Oct 13 07:30:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC422132F2E for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 07:30:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.396 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.396 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MU-Rh2LAE2yF for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 07:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 123E91323F7 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 07:30:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=llFID5jjZwZWmZaq8xCbG6B/8+U=; b=guCjpnySEQnMoGBs I/lyKkFzR0QepfOpgLhlXVl51D0rUCfNW3TnFO5bgFo+trvgL1qSJZG0EBtQPCQj s00mjdd4MkNZXyKHoLISJCfgzntzMIhhUJM2TSpgNGyAkK0+7fwkApRyHUQvRrW3 5HWjAtQHv/orgkj9iUT7DWgBsNM= Received: by filter0209p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0209p1iad2-22239-59E0CE0D-39 2017-10-13 14:30:37.68399879 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0007p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id MmvjA72XTNaayar95MNEBw for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 14:30:37.659 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 14:30:37 +0000 (UTC) From: Patrick McManus Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] don't allow 0 as a packet number (#832) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e0ce0d96efa_563e3f99d3520f3898259"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mcmanus X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0gLqTkJDLlafxa5o1SprW9cS836aNX7lqOP3 rz9yBEycTocyhLe9NqPZG8BT3ykhh4U4iOkpQWR5tN5KU0CA9hd5U7kpCIKhsabFHWMGh6J6rlxmFq I0LqDiZh9cplYtkTGhlk3lLjTXqKfLU6nTwG6RWMa30H65Tt55SAovoxdRQWNeIcIFTIG33DTwJ0VB M= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 14:30:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e0ce0d96efa_563e3f99d3520f3898259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit we have stream id 0 (though it is special for the connection - its not special for stream manipulation).. and offset 0.. and a connection id sequence number that starts at 0. If we go with martin's proposal re 62 bit integer encoding, there are billions of integers to use as sentinels in an implementation with a 64 bit int without overloading ones that can be transferred on the wire and cause interop pain. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/832#issuecomment-336469662 ----==_mimepart_59e0ce0d96efa_563e3f99d3520f3898259 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

we have stream id 0 (though it is special for the connection - its not s= pecial for stream manipulation).. and offset 0.. and a connection id sequen= ce number that starts at 0.

If we go with martin's proposal re 62 bit integer encoding, there are bi= llions of integers to use as sentinels in an implementation with a 64 bit i= nt without overloading ones that can be transferred on the wire and cause i= nterop pain.

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Nit: this phrasing is a bit clumsy. Given that you have a field below,= I would say instead:
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I would say instead that it is an unsigned number in the range 0..2^62-1.

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----==_mimepart_59e0eb5273dff_e213fb2b2014f3853c4-- From nobody Fri Oct 13 09:38:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 206F71331D9 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 09:38:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.474 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.474 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0RkK3MRYwcyp for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 09:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1725213243A for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 09:38:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=9VM3ecjmA4WJ3Xij0N+4Sb1U0lg=; b=PP4tSytgMSsbId57 ct6iGbKKUiuABT7yNrsYI4oGQZFPtH6xWAQAxA6/GMX7kbZEnMhijQQ92eIsaQIj KuA/mlFyu0Zdt/AJQPSbViYnJLmO4U4pp58QwTn0Zdlsrd/C8RhztkWswkt4YQU/ AhxsR5i61sGIB4ewqCeCRMhOv80= Received: by filter0628p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0628p1mdw1-16199-59E0EBFE-18 2017-10-13 16:38:22.998173344 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id rXlzQkgZS-a6xdNX9BAGpQ for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 16:38:23.000 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 16:38:23 +0000 (UTC) From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Transport integer encoding proposal (f2f8113) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e0ebfedb694_45cc3fccb96eaf30196e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2uwYhv4Ngb7KokUrfANmzhZ0pEolyZ9c6elR jME4DnIZUe9p4pTHgAIyyhzH4wGodNYccCx/1i4oBdcioOqnFdhV4q9nw2ZwDOiF60LHS29+9K6Awp ClJLtPGzoAo3kJvdpSCg2VpVtqUIY0SSTF7GShI7rIQp8YyN6k1YjCCu3g== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 16:38:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e0ebfedb694_45cc3fccb96eaf30196e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since we're bikeshedding the grammar here, I suggest a semicolon -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f2f8113a72f94523a53f1180b1a1c0bfa4d6eef4#commitcomment-24961811 ----==_mimepart_59e0ebfedb694_45cc3fccb96eaf30196e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Since we're bikeshedding the grammar here, I suggest a semicolon

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I'm not sure this is worth it. I would just do microseconds with a straight integer encoding.

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Ian's suggestion would also have the virtue that you can read the fixed part of the frame and know how long it is.

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This is a nit, but I don't think that I would phrase this as being 8 types but rather as "the stream frame has the top bits XXX and then the low bits mean ..."

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Typo: TH

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----==_mimepart_59e0ed49c3d0d_72c73faf1d99ef388321e-- From nobody Fri Oct 13 09:44:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8CA613243A for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 09:44:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PbY8HwA0oSgi for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 09:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9153C133080 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 09:44:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=0XU3hPJy9TwMzEPev4XvCfgBrH4=; b=EPu8FQfCR88Z+wo+ drmSlLIoFkEIkJnE/3g9bEJdUDdn/u9DtopJOk/S6XpOaCQVzi/GyAuBcFr7ebp+ slKiGtAbhzJIRmozzo5qFhmvweCCmOlqzpZoe9q0QMSzqdYFscb+WVQRxrtPUkqJ UukCv6YzjNglKx5olPvqNYnIQ5M= Received: by filter1089p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1089p1mdw1-6123-59E0ED72-1A 2017-10-13 16:44:34.565555426 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0008p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id SZIdsRjUR-a2IopwxWTn9A for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 16:44:34.529 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 16:44:34 +0000 (UTC) From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Transport integer encoding proposal (f2f8113) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e0ed725fb33_369c3f8fe0542f2c2721a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0PXC2gosDnvjcLG7CmEAkS7iaf76ES2jSknv Le4SxqJSltBVVqdvtSkMKSwtEWlPgGAHCYiLnPP0OFTYZUYwfGspLSMX1fD9lfrSn/+ZjMh5J68ZXU laCxNj9fc1PIFNmH46rLb8CHUrLysrAKl65E2UylBaqgB8Y2sc84k4zN8g== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 16:44:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e0ed725fb33_369c3f8fe0542f2c2721a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You should use a consistent phrasing for this and the previous bit. In that one you describe the 0 case as well. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f2f8113a72f94523a53f1180b1a1c0bfa4d6eef4#commitcomment-24961904 ----==_mimepart_59e0ed725fb33_369c3f8fe0542f2c2721a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

You should use a consistent phrasing for this and the previous bit. In that one you describe the 0 case as well.

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Github went berserk with the comments, but I would say I think this is pretty good. I added some comments.

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This identifies unidirectional vs bidirectional streams by a bit in the = stream ID, just like we do for client vs server. This avoids the need to pa= ss around directionality meta-data in the various places we use stream id (= STREAM frames, MAX_STREAM_ID, MAX_STREAM_DATA, etc) and means that stream i= d is always a unique identifier of a single stream.

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A couple of comments inline. This PR needs discussion on the list, so I would post an email there to encourage folks to look at the PR. I also think this closes #175 so I would say that in the PR description.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2525,6 +2542,7 @@ shown in the following figure and described below.
    recv:   endpoint receives this frame
 
    STREAM: a STREAM frame
+   UNI:    a unidirectional stream

nit: a STREAM frame with a unidirectional stream ID

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2544,6 +2562,12 @@ coordinate the creation of streams; they are created unilaterally by either
 endpoint.  Endpoints can use acknowledgments to understand the peer's subjective
 view of stream state at any given time.
 
+Only the initiator of a stream may send a STREAM frame without receiving one
+unless otherwise specified by the application.  All implicitly opened streams

This sentence is a bit confusing. I don't think we want to allow applications to override stream ID semantics, do we?

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This PR conflates a few things, which will make it harder to land the simpler things. I would simply add the frame type and rules around using PING/PONG in one PR, and then discuss address validation in a separate PR, since that will need quite a bit of discussion. I don't mind having that discussion on an issue. I don't think this PR is ready to be submitted. > @@ -1351,6 +1355,14 @@ connection when they move networks. This includes state that can be hard to recover such as outstanding requests, which might otherwise be lost with no easy way to retry them. +An endpoint that receives packets that contain a source IP address and port that We're definitely learning that having the ability to probe is quite useful even for connection migration. I've been working on redesigning connection migration, and our experience has shown that there needs to be more nuance around connection migration than simply switching away on the first packet. I don't want normative language here yet. I would suggest, for the sake of getting this PR in, to rephrase the MUST below to be non-normative ("should start sending", not capitalized.) We can then do an issue about what to do around connection migration separately, and figure out what should be normative. > + +Once a connection is established, address validation is relatively simple (see +{{address-validation}} for the process that is used during the handshake). An +endpoint validates a remote address by sending a PING frame containing a payload +that is hard to guess. This frame MUST be sent in a packet that is sent to the +new address. Once a PONG frame containing the same payload is received, the +address is considered to be valid. The PONG frame can use any path on its +return. A PING frame containing 12 randomly generated {{?RFC4086}} octets is +sufficient to ensure that it is easier to receive the packet than it is to guess +the value correctly. + +Note: + +: Retransmissions of the PING frame MUST also use the same remote address. + +If validation of the new remote address fails, after allowing enough time for Yes, agreed. We don't want to terminate the connection because a new path that we want to switch to doesn't work. > +the value correctly. + +Note: + +: Retransmissions of the PING frame MUST also use the same remote address. + +If validation of the new remote address fails, after allowing enough time for +possible loss and recovery of packets carrying PING and PONG frames, the +endpoint MUST terminate the connection. When setting this timer, +implementations are cautioned that the new path could have a longer round trip +time than the original. The endpoint MUST NOT send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in +this case; it has to assume that the remote peer does not want to receive any +more packets. + +If the remote address is validated successfully, the endpoint MAY increase the +rate that it sends on the new path using the state from the previous path. The I would remove the entire paragraph here and simply replace with "If the remote address is validated successfully, the endpoint SHOULD reset the congestion controller to its initial state." > + +After verifying an address, the endpoint SHOULD update any address validation +tokens ({{address-validation}}) that it has issued to its peer if those are no +longer valid based on the changed address. + +Address validation using the PING frame MAY be used at any time by either peer. +For instance, an endpoint might check that a peer is still in possession of its +address after a period of quiescence. + +Upon seeing a connection migration, an endpoint that sees a new address MUST +abandon any address validation it is performing with other addresses on the +expectation that the validation is likely to fail. Abandoning address +validation primarily means not closing the connection when a PONG frame is not +received, but it could also mean ceasing retransmissions of the PING frame. An +endpoint that doesn't retransmit a PING frame might receive a PONG frame, which +it MUST ignore. This paragraph is unnecessary. Using PINGs on alt paths is fine, you don't want to start sending data on all of them. > -The PING frame can be used to keep a connection alive when an application or -application protocol wishes to prevent the connection from timing out. An +~~~ + 0 1 2 3 + 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Pong Length(8)| Pong Data (*) ... Calling this data length and PING data avoids confusion. > ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +~~~ + +Pong Length: + +: This 8-bit value describes the length of the Pong Data field. + +Pong Data: + +: This variable-length field contains arbitrary data. + +The receiver of a PING frame with a Pong Data field that is empty simply needs +to acknowledge the packet containing this frame. + +If the Pong Data is not empty, the recipient of this frame MUST generate a PONG +frame ({{frame-pong}}) containing the same Pong Data. It's easiest if the PING also generates an ack. Separately, the PONG packet will require an ack. > @@ -1984,6 +2122,18 @@ Stream ID: Error Code: : The application-specified reason the sender is ignoring the stream. + +## PONG Frame {#frame-pong} + +The PONG frame (type=0x0d) is sent in response to a PING frame that contains +data. Its format is identical to the PING frame ({{frame-ping}}). + +An endpoint that receives an unsolicited PONG frame - that is, a PONG frame +containing a payload that is either empty or not identical to the content of a +PING frame that the endpoint previously sent - MUST generate a connection error +of type UNSOLICITED_PONG. A PONG frame needs to be acked. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/732#pullrequestreview-69323047 ----==_mimepart_59e111f15a1c_bb93faceb59cf2c52515 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar requested changes on this pull request.

This PR conflates a few things, which will make it harder to land the simpler things. I would simply add the frame type and rules around using PING/PONG in one PR, and then discuss address validation in a separate PR, since that will need quite a bit of discussion. I don't mind having that discussion on an issue. I don't think this PR is ready to be submitted.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1351,6 +1355,14 @@ connection when they move networks.  This includes state that can be hard to
 recover such as outstanding requests, which might otherwise be lost with no easy
 way to retry them.
 
+An endpoint that receives packets that contain a source IP address and port that

We're definitely learning that having the ability to probe is quite useful even for connection migration. I've been working on redesigning connection migration, and our experience has shown that there needs to be more nuance around connection migration than simply switching away on the first packet. I don't want normative language here yet. I would suggest, for the sake of getting this PR in, to rephrase the MUST below to be non-normative ("should start sending", not capitalized.) We can then do an issue about what to do around connection migration separately, and figure out what should be normative.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+Once a connection is established, address validation is relatively simple (see
+{{address-validation}} for the process that is used during the handshake).  An
+endpoint validates a remote address by sending a PING frame containing a payload
+that is hard to guess.  This frame MUST be sent in a packet that is sent to the
+new address.  Once a PONG frame containing the same payload is received, the
+address is considered to be valid.  The PONG frame can use any path on its
+return.  A PING frame containing 12 randomly generated {{?RFC4086}} octets is
+sufficient to ensure that it is easier to receive the packet than it is to guess
+the value correctly.
+
+Note:
+
+: Retransmissions of the PING frame MUST also use the same remote address.
+
+If validation of the new remote address fails, after allowing enough time for

Yes, agreed. We don't want to terminate the connection because a new path that we want to switch to doesn't work.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +the value correctly.
+
+Note:
+
+: Retransmissions of the PING frame MUST also use the same remote address.
+
+If validation of the new remote address fails, after allowing enough time for
+possible loss and recovery of packets carrying PING and PONG frames, the
+endpoint MUST terminate the connection.  When setting this timer,
+implementations are cautioned that the new path could have a longer round trip
+time than the original.  The endpoint MUST NOT send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in
+this case; it has to assume that the remote peer does not want to receive any
+more packets.
+
+If the remote address is validated successfully, the endpoint MAY increase the
+rate that it sends on the new path using the state from the previous path.  The

I would remove the entire paragraph here and simply replace with "If the remote address is validated successfully, the endpoint SHOULD reset the congestion controller to its initial state."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+After verifying an address, the endpoint SHOULD update any address validation
+tokens ({{address-validation}}) that it has issued to its peer if those are no
+longer valid based on the changed address.
+
+Address validation using the PING frame MAY be used at any time by either peer.
+For instance, an endpoint might check that a peer is still in possession of its
+address after a period of quiescence.
+
+Upon seeing a connection migration, an endpoint that sees a new address MUST
+abandon any address validation it is performing with other addresses on the
+expectation that the validation is likely to fail.  Abandoning address
+validation primarily means not closing the connection when a PONG frame is not
+received, but it could also mean ceasing retransmissions of the PING frame.  An
+endpoint that doesn't retransmit a PING frame might receive a PONG frame, which
+it MUST ignore.

This paragraph is unnecessary. Using PINGs on alt paths is fine, you don't want to start sending data on all of them.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The PING frame can be used to keep a connection alive when an application or
-application protocol wishes to prevent the connection from timing out.  An
+~~~
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| Pong Length(8)|              Pong Data (*)                  ...

Calling this data length and PING data avoids confusion.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~
+
+Pong Length:
+
+: This 8-bit value describes the length of the Pong Data field.
+
+Pong Data:
+
+: This variable-length field contains arbitrary data.
+
+The receiver of a PING frame with a Pong Data field that is empty simply needs
+to acknowledge the packet containing this frame.
+
+If the Pong Data is not empty, the recipient of this frame MUST generate a PONG
+frame ({{frame-pong}}) containing the same Pong Data.

It's easiest if the PING also generates an ack. Separately, the PONG packet will require an ack.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1984,6 +2122,18 @@ Stream ID:
 Error Code:
 : The application-specified reason the sender is ignoring the stream.
 
+
+## PONG Frame {#frame-pong}
+
+The PONG frame (type=0x0d) is sent in response to a PING frame that contains
+data.  Its format is identical to the PING frame ({{frame-ping}}).
+
+An endpoint that receives an unsolicited PONG frame - that is, a PONG frame
+containing a payload that is either empty or not identical to the content of a
+PING frame that the endpoint previously sent - MUST generate a connection error
+of type UNSOLICITED_PONG.

A PONG frame needs to be acked.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2544,6 +2562,12 @@ coordinate the creation of streams; they are created unilaterally by either
 endpoint.  Endpoints can use acknowledgments to understand the peer's subjective
 view of stream state at any given time.
 
+Only the initiator of a stream may send a STREAM frame without receiving one
+unless otherwise specified by the application.  All implicitly opened streams

Not sure, I copied this language from Ian's PR on this topic. Perhaps I should just nuke the whole paragraph?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2525,6 +2542,7 @@ shown in the following figure and described below.
    recv:   endpoint receives this frame
 
    STREAM: a STREAM frame
+   UNI:    a unidirectional stream

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2544,6 +2562,12 @@ coordinate the creation of streams; they are created unilaterally by either
 endpoint.  Endpoints can use acknowledgments to understand the peer's subjective
 view of stream state at any given time.
 
+Only the initiator of a stream may send a STREAM frame without receiving one
+unless otherwise specified by the application.  All implicitly opened streams

Yes, this was an effort to fix a problem with my design that you do not have, so I'd nuke it.

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----==_mimepart_59e1126d9421e_29c23fe7e9664f34499da-- From nobody Fri Oct 13 12:27:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B290133210 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 12:27:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qq5CLhsLqEop for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 12:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0C9A126BF0 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 12:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 12:27:13 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507922833; bh=mm8dWNh/eI3mA571nbx13OPY0Flgd5+34V2Cc6Skkr0=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=CO/k/kRsTp0TCXbuvifpRs/oywCKJ/J4B8BZhbov6O0OhVT3HoVselgylZGqGEsg5 oR7SpzYqdoV9ejAzhrB8ILO+d9C/fVl5drWMP6/SRzB37g9Jcc5Ce0e+2PPBGeiwTU vJfOZmcDZQnXVMaoggIneCivsjXLldXAG38RN+H8= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Why are you required to send a Stateless Reset Token (#818) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e1139136501_5bc23fe6da09ef38887a4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 19:27:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e1139136501_5bc23fe6da09ef38887a4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not sure I understand your question. I don't think we want to make stateless resets available without a token. Where do you anticipate using it without one? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/818#issuecomment-336545927 ----==_mimepart_59e1139136501_5bc23fe6da09ef38887a4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm not sure I understand your question. I don't think we want to make stateless resets available without a token. Where do you anticipate using it without one?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2544,6 +2562,12 @@ coordinate the creation of streams; they are created unilaterally by either
 endpoint.  Endpoints can use acknowledgments to understand the peer's subjective
 view of stream state at any given time.
 
+Only the initiator of a stream may send a STREAM frame without receiving one
+unless otherwise specified by the application.  All implicitly opened streams

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----==_mimepart_59e1151334918_2d513fce3b07af2835782-- From nobody Fri Oct 13 12:34:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC4A132396 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 12:34:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZJLEOtt_ZuZt for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 12:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext8.iad.github.net [192.30.252.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34945126BF0 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 12:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 12:34:31 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507923271; bh=Fdp1uV9vRA3vM/vbG0TVgEl+MaPRVGyNeBAG/mqcc20=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Va2h1SZiQt4F6AuCQ/d3pR6IKRXmZwv/zO/74RXhhLJ9Kubmfo9M6/7xy0uCeOhNs +AQ6IUvyvyoY0ja8C4IWQkuxRar1Q+18qltJpY0UsqN9XE2N6ifccAxXBEQsCg+3cP JC0hImZ+srH6DUc8hqCfU4dDw2HN9lMxPluAQvCk= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] stateful routing by intermediaries (#821) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e115474d141_ac63ff35be46f2c1699a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 19:34:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e115474d141_ac63ff35be46f2c1699a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any intermediary has to be working with teh server or the client, since the keys aren't available to an intermediary otherwise. Isn't it adequate to have the end that teh intermediary is in cahoots with not send omit_connection_id? Meaning, if this is a reverse proxy, then the server *knows* to not send omit_connection_id, and itself always sends the connection ID. Why is that not enough? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/821#issuecomment-336547456 ----==_mimepart_59e115474d141_ac63ff35be46f2c1699a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Any intermediary has to be working with teh server or the client, sinc= e the keys aren't available to an intermediary otherwise. Isn't it adequa= te to have the end that teh intermediary is in cahoots with not send omit= _connection_id? Meaning, if this is a reverse proxy, then the server = knows to not send omit_connection_id, and itself always sends the co= nnection ID. Why is that not enough?

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I agree -- I think this is fine as is. A server will send a VN packet in= response to it, or if it's seen in a VN packet, it will simply be ignored.= I'll close this, but @MikeBishop please reopen if you think we should discuss th= is further.

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@janai= yengar: Intermediaries do not need to be able to decrypt the packet to = access the connection id and perform tasks like routing or NAT'ing. There a= re also many examples of routing intermediaries that are not under direct c= ontrol of the client or the server (things like Amazon's ELB, WLAN access p= oints, etc). In addition, with the ability to migrate the connection across= different paths, the presence of such intermediaries may change throughout= the course of the connection.

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I don't think we need this. I agree with @huitema, this functionality is already available. From a transport perspective, I don't think there's value in this.

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Discussion to continue in ECN design team (https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/wiki/ECN-in-QUIC).

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----==_mimepart_59e11ad1d1bed_18843fc51d360f34520d4-- From nobody Fri Oct 13 13:08:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D495132944 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 13:08:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NhqDiBFDgpnT for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 13:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 707341329F9 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 13:08:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=IDW2fF+ftE/kUjvarmz4sPw/vPg=; b=M4jkn6K5MuHqdv2/ F7iZvh4H8eIg8yjg/dM9Iu2bQ36LYcLFbaaPOMNXbapMQzDy6cxzcHVTK1zjlei7 +RrE0s8vYyOoaSPJJWjcpOYhoXBqwIex6zIAC5M4suWFv8uEPle4J/XB484nahKX HDFdyoooqNikQhi/FO7wPqVjxS8= Received: by filter0100p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0100p1iad2-17602-59E11D31-3 2017-10-13 20:08:17.082486027 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0004p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id UvEwVkJwRbuYUkFTmFa1Dg for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 20:08:17.077 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 20:08:17 +0000 (UTC) From: Patrick McManus Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Limit MAX_DATA to the integer range (64 or 62 depending..) (#873) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e11d30e2611_451f3f84036f6f281020fd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mcmanus X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak34BTTvX2qVBQxh4hGzHEqz2c3JilNQlX7XXs fuCRzJMxbYsN4dxoZldH+wW6gqGE6ZdVv38gzvFOZm+QuZGoKnpO2vbVDfkGpsUwToQ2+6Ko8YBQ47 W/zmCzmZtiuP7qJLravbTLpb3webhomSBGATFppPADDiQ+9ordkdNzNgIvRCGxRzL7bSOHP0Dw0Vww Y= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 20:08:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e11d30e2611_451f3f84036f6f281020fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dimitry and @martinthomson had a bit of a discussion on this in August: https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/quic/current/msg02117.html tl;dr - max-data is effectively a 74 bit integer.. plausibly much bigger than required, extremely hard to do integration testing with so presumably buggy as its > common native types.. at terrabit rates it would take years to transfer 64/62 bits (the obvious alternative) worth of flow controlled bytes. I think this is an architectural issue because the bug risk for interop failure in long deployed systems is significant. The existing arrangement falls short of accommodating the full sized packets across the whole packet number space anyhow. (to say nothing of dreaming of bigger MTUs) If we're going to keep it supersized then +16 bits makes a lot more sense to me than +10. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/873 ----==_mimepart_59e11d30e2611_451f3f84036f6f281020fd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

dimitry and @martinthomson had a bit of a discussion on this in August: https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/quic/current/msg02117.html

tl;dr - max-data is effectively a 74 bit integer.. plausibly much bigger than required, extremely hard to do integration testing with so presumably buggy as its > common native types.. at terrabit rates it would take years to transfer 64/62 bits (the obvious alternative) worth of flow controlled bytes.

I think this is an architectural issue because the bug risk for interop failure in long deployed systems is significant.

The existing arrangement falls short of accommodating the full sized packets across the whole packet number space anyhow. (to say nothing of dreaming of bigger MTUs) If we're going to keep it supersized then +16 bits makes a lot more sense to me than +10.

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closes #873

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  • Express MAX_DATA in octets rather than KB

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----==_mimepart_59e11e1a504ac_2d383fdb70cccf2889176-- From nobody Fri Oct 13 13:13:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8C81329F9 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 13:13:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Sd2gtWoOg8Rh for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 13:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67DC21323B8 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 13:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 13:13:32 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1507925612; bh=MbUcflkQ3LFSNcrFbS9rnKSHmiquEcyJXCm4rzW21kg=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=yEb6wtOSzrv//ZcHJAufphi3DWMjXSmqik9ZC6IaBMNW30uVLiVykLyp7+O+/gjuW Jz/bSwoLoHlRdCtZBYO10WKjdi1Xld9xF3XZAqKQBx9GNW7HEo8mxLLyDgKT4vRKi5 bkijFMHqom7dKtGfcatpaCL3EB4OAbCvBqj31Nrs= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify PADDING vs PING frames (#838) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e11e6cb6230_19513fe08ae5cf2c96078"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 20:13:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e11e6cb6230_19513fe08ae5cf2c96078 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I really like @huitema's idea of sending a PING (which is a one-byte frame) to elicit an ACK. If we do that though, I don't think we want to leave it to implementations... this should be mandated, since it's congestion control behavior that we want to mandate. We don't want implementations to be more aggressive when using PADDING, which means we want to mandate counting them towards congestion control, which means they need to be ackable. So, as I'm thinking about this, I'm getting convinced that what we really want is to pad with PING frames. Basically, both PING and PADDING are one-byte frames, and we can add as many of them as we want in a packet. We want both to elicit an ack. I don't see any behavioral difference between these two. We can also require that we count PING frames towards congestion control if we don't already. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/838#issuecomment-336556006 ----==_mimepart_59e11e6cb6230_19513fe08ae5cf2c96078 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I really like @huitema's idea of sending a PING (which is a one-byte frame) t= o elicit an ACK. If we do that though, I don't think we want to leave it = to implementations... this should be mandated, since it's congestion cont= rol behavior that we want to mandate.

We don't want implementations to be more aggressive when using PADDING= , which means we want to mandate counting them towards congestion control= , which means they need to be ackable.

So, as I'm thinking about this, I'm getting convinced that what we rea= lly want is to pad with PING frames. Basically, both PING and PADDING are= one-byte frames, and we can add as many of them as we want in a packet. = We want both to elicit an ack. I don't see any behavioral difference betw= een these two. We can also require that we count PING frames towards cong= estion control if we don't already.

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@jan= aiyengar, so this means no padding for ACK-only frames is allowed (be= cause if both sides do that, we have an ACK+PING ping-pong). I am not sa= ying this is bad, if one can pad in crypto layer. I know that some peopl= e will bring up privacy as a reason to pad ACK-only frames somewhere.

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Padding in the crypto layer is still padding and hence bytes on the wire= . I think we should have a consistent story for padding, regardless of whe= ther it's in QUIC or in TLS, rather than treating TLS padding as an entirel= y different beast.

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I'll note that this isn't new -- TCP has had acks for a while, and while= smaller in max size, they are still exempt from congestion control. Two da= ta points are useful here:

(i) We wrote RFC 5690 a while ago, to go through the exercise of trying = to figure out reducing ack rates. Many experiments were run and my personal= conclusion at the end of the exercise is that reducing ack rate is non-tri= vial at best, and a big hit on forward path performance at worst. You are w= elcome to peruse the list of "Possible Complications" that we composed in t= hat RFC.

(ii) We've been doing expeirments on reducing ack rate in GQUIC. Short s= ummary, it hurt performance (on the forward path) with Cubic, but didn't wi= th BBR. I won't go into the reasons here, but it's important to note that a= n endpoint should not unilaterally decide to reduce it's ack rate because i= t has implications on the performance of the congestion controller in the o= pposite direction.

In general, reducing ack rate is very useful exercise, but it has to be = done with care because of its interactions with ack-based congestion contro= llers. I would NOT want to congestion control acks by default. It's non-tri= vial.

I agree with @ianswett that we shouldn't make specific recommendations on how ma= ny bytes are allowed etc.

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Reopened #816.

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A server will send a VN packet in response to it...

The origin of this issue is that not all current implementations d= o send VN in response to version 0, so there is some difference of i= nterpretation in the spec. Maybe we decide that the spec is perfectly cl= ear and any implementation behaving that way simply has a bug -- that's a= reasonable position. But I think it's also a reasonable reading of the = current spec to ignore or CONNECTION_CLOSE a packet purporting to be in "= an invalid version."

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Having thought about this some more, it's actually ok to do this. It's n= ot "my variant" of QUIC, it's a general use case that uses out-of-band key = exchange. I've tried to explain this in the past. But since 0-RTT and 1-RT= T keys can be the same, any such use of QUIC can treat 0-RTT and 1-RTT pack= ets differently except use the same keys for both kinds. Which makes it ok = to remove 1-RTT long headers.

Separately, please, please, don't rush to close out design issues in a r= ush. This was under discussion, and really should have been discussed more = before closing.

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We also have a merge-imminent label for exactly things like this. I wasn't expecting the merge to happen without the discussion finishing so I'm quite surprised to see this happen.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1829,9 +1829,7 @@ The fields in the MAX_DATA frame are as follows:
 Maximum Data:
 
 : A 64-bit unsigned integer indicating the maximum amount of data that can be
-  sent on the entire connection, in units of 1024 octets.  That is, the updated
-  connection-level data limit is determined by multiplying the encoded value by
-  1024.
+  sent on the entire connection, in units octets.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1829,9 +1829,7 @@ The fields in the MAX_DATA frame are as follows:
 Maximum Data:
 
 : A 64-bit unsigned integer indicating the maximum amount of data that can be
-  sent on the entire connection, in units of 1024 octets.  That is, the updated
-  connection-level data limit is determined by multiplying the encoded value by
-  1024.
+  sent on the entire connection, in units octets.

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Sat, 14 Oct 2017 04:18:00 -0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 21:17:59 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <59e18ff7c942c_22393f864f62bc3048390@hookshot-fe1-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] a756c7: Tweak circle config Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e18ff7c8fdc_22393f864f62bc304826c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2017 04:18:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e18ff7c8fdc_22393f864f62bc304826c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: a756c78fe3224558ade729be74a0ff9f576273c3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a756c78fe3224558ade729be74a0ff9f576273c3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-14 (Sat, 14 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M .circleci/config.yml Log Message: ----------- Tweak circle config ----==_mimepart_59e18ff7c8fdc_22393f864f62bc304826c-- From nobody Fri Oct 13 21:31:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37FA71320D9 for ; 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I see. You're suggesting that we should articulate one precise behavior in this case. I probably don't really care which one, but I'm fine with that.

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I spent all my time trying to work out why circle wouldn't build and neglected to fill in the change logs. These can be back-filled.

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Merged #874.

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----==_mimepart_59e1d36c83c4c_6eeb3ffad3e7cf307956-- From nobody Sat Oct 14 02:06:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BAAF13303F for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 02:05:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id McQBGyWfOgdU for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 02:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6D3813235C for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 02:05:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=GQuvIL15Hvi7wnlF+3FSIX9xJG8=; b=USbxJ9DqWSHShofL 32f6VeRK8b7LugeNMsMihpFT6HOCs6DTnYdgPkyWOoLMUfeh4HvlJqhTyg1R+zgG 3F9vINjjwgu+3KGJOtfe9zRrx09Z6xdv+gRo5GZW8tBnMa3YPytESWo67HScTbqY SJWODFj0lxeV/GqBZwSm7O/Lc2k= Received: by filter0850p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0850p1mdw1-24086-59E1D36D-E 2017-10-14 09:05:49.521439472 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0010p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id BfTtUMjUSMqe7UlCJ-LGCg for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 09:05:49.515 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2017 09:05:49 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Limit MAX_DATA to the integer range (64 or 62 depending..) (#873) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e1d36d69d31_7d93fe0ecb54f34395b9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1x/1PvEcLKE9wlvmmmeifTqhxDPmwPFRV7+C gYDtLbRPWYHc/XdqBDJEH9QkA5HEREpNTdcfM3Mx1A11s9zH43cwPyiwUWPqQZudoDgdeRqShk2isD mx25U2Eul8ln+F1d9CSyTiNFIemZMUKJjrWdq1oPElOPpmB2wQpzbhn3HT9XJDxsEaLazEoZEKHB0z 4= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2017 09:05:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e1d36d69d31_7d93fe0ecb54f34395b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #873 via #874. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/873#event-1293335315 ----==_mimepart_59e1d36d69d31_7d93fe0ecb54f34395b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Closed #873 via #874.

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Agreed, we should not do this.

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----==_mimepart_59e2ab308e1c7_2bca3fa8bec9cf389548b-- From nobody Sat Oct 14 17:30:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90B913208E for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 17:30:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PtZQHBGaaRmN for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 17:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB53B12895E for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 17:30:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=P1cVNjEycnIbtvitux1UQipwZ0U=; b=Iljufha65+qX580f 1bdVriysfxUICTfKEdda+LD9sw6QTAPjUTgnC3Q98JbY946y9/IPKV0PWQ5cR2tA JsQJBPE3JhFWD8yhGP0ss47iP9RnFygfhDI5ebRgeqQkYQVra4H54CVskqtR0z0b YsvKfzSrqtfugqC+68ReJ3mZtnE= Received: by filter0967p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0967p1mdw1-10950-59E2AC31-6 2017-10-15 00:30:41.838518053 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id guUK7APzRFuF3q9t90sFwQ for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 00:30:41.780 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 00:30:41 +0000 (UTC) From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Soliciting acks of acks (#836) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e2ac31a92f1_227853f81ca940f30458ad"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3RKDK4CCRrsBuqVZliO0atR3EpZsFUtBTZDM 3S5JAFtWcoYCqYWDmLPeSLXu97Zsaf3BJNYsI+5W83IjhNME0mdquomoBcLPeiAv/cE+yBnRCdQwiw 25K7Q2UhZbfN3PBZENoENsQ46mZMTJ0daoXZcU16ars8HwPIsNctXYLBXA== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 00:30:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e2ac31a92f1_227853f81ca940f30458ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, either it's "this happens anyway" or it's "you need to ask for it explicitly". If it's the latter, then it's goofy to have to add some other frame to get it, especially because the code that generates frames has no knowledge of how they will be marshalled into packets. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/836#issuecomment-336677135 ----==_mimepart_59e2ac31a92f1_227853f81ca940f30458ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well, either it's "this happens anyway" or it's "you need to ask for it = explicitly". If it's the latter, then it's goofy to have to add some other = frame to get it, especially because the code that generates frames has no k= nowledge of how they will be marshalled into packets.

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= ----==_mimepart_59e2ac31a92f1_227853f81ca940f30458ad-- From nobody Sat Oct 14 22:09:46 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5646A132620 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 22:09:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LIiYiwUpESSE for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 22:09:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext8.iad.github.net [192.30.252.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 885251321AC for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2017 22:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2017 22:09:41 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1508044181; bh=x6ICvxqKAMbvR7maJVnuCQ9Dyubd3c+CVn5FwkZm8CY=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bOjn5qFcXBBMQsZz/Uvm3NK6xpHP/dNABAaqwQc9l2ugl1o0hi4yuh54C2oHvvaSz HLWO0K7pU6ll2rNoz0OoQTYT6CGnuKiQNBlRbmwBIsDdiQ+eIaIOrWWJUJiDX56Rg4 S2yj7VdQxf/kVGpkwrRKhORMsavEiRNTMK9ZERpU= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Soliciting acks of acks (#836) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e2ed95d3ae9_b4d3fa4ba1caf2c164fa"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 05:09:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e2ed95d3ae9_b4d3fa4ba1caf2c164fa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, my implementation generates ACK "on the fly" as part of sending packets, so I know exactly in which packet the ACK is sent and can easily add a PING if that's really needed. But even if the PING was sent in the next packet, you will still get a cumulative ACK that will "ACK the ACKs". -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/836#issuecomment-336687028 ----==_mimepart_59e2ed95d3ae9_b4d3fa4ba1caf2c164fa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well, my implementation generates ACK "on the fly" as part of sending = packets, so I know exactly in which packet the ACK is sent and can easily= add a PING if that's really needed. But even if the PING was sent in the= next packet, you will still get a cumulative ACK that will "ACK the ACKs= ".

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@ianswett= pointed out that a typical ACK delay exceeds the maximum value that ca= n be expressed in two octets and was concerned about adding two octets to e= very ACK frame.

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Rather than number the blocks, which still doesn't tell you how long the= frame is, I would rather add a length field to the frame. We can then deb= ate whether we then want that length to be added to every frame type and ho= w.

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It makes acquiring the largest acknowledged more difficult (it would be the sum of the sequence of gaps and blocks), but it would avoid some of the stranger parts of the current design (and address @nibanks concern about ordering). I wanted to do that separately though. I'm trying to make only one change at a time. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f2f8113a72f94523a53f1180b1a1c0bfa4d6eef4#commitcomment-24994840 ----==_mimepart_59e3ed5fd07e5_15743f88e064ef3057668 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

There is a more dramatic change to the design that would allow in-order = construction, avoid negative-valued overflows, and would save an occasional= octet:

ACK =3D Length *(Gap ACK_Block) Delay

Assuming that gaps and blocks are all positive values rather than negati= ves. It makes acquiring the largest acknowledged more difficult (it would = be the sum of the sequence of gaps and blocks), but it would avoid some of = the stranger parts of the current design (and address @nibanks concern about orderin= g).

I wanted to do that separately though. I'm trying to make only one chan= ge at a time.

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Since my work-in-progress on this attracted a massive flurry of feedback - mostly positive even - I'll first open an issue and then the PR, so that there is a more visible place to hold the discussion.

There are lots of bespoke integer encodings in the transport-level frames. This makes implementation more difficult than is ideal, and it might even be less efficient. After surveying the options available to us, I think that a variable-length encoding format can be used consistently across all of the frames. This would eliminate all the bespoke encodings, including - as a bonus - the floating point timestamp format.

The idea is to take the first two bits of the first octet to encode the length. 0 = 1 octet, 1 = 2 octets, 2 = 4 octets, and 3 = 8 octets. The remainder of the value is big endian. I can show that encoding this is almost absurdly efficient, see my little benchmark utility.

The cost in terms of bytes is modest, though it would no longer use the bits from the frame type to determine size, which could increase sizes in some corner cases. Though the added flexibility might represent an occasional saving.

I have a separate proposal for the ACK frame that would simplify more aggressively and even maybe save more space, but I'm attempting to keep some of the spirit of the original encoding here.

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It simplifies the encoding considerably, most noticeably in the ACK frame, which I have largely rewritten. This change increases the number of streams to 2^62, but reduces the number of packets and octets per stream to that same number. Both are very large values anyway. I kept the 2^10 scaling on the connection-level flow control window, so that goes to 2^72 now. The cost for ACK is a negligible decrease in efficiency for larger gaps or ACK blocks (mainly between 64 and 255 in length). This is counteracted by an increase in efficiency if there are occasional ranges or gaps larger than 255, which were previously very difficult to encode correctly. As previously discussed, the timestamp format is removed. In its place, we use the same integer encoding, but with a scaling value, or exponent, that is signaled in transport parameters, that should allow common ACK delays to be expressed in fewer octets (an exponent of 0 only allows for 16ms to be encoded in two octets, but the default exponent is 8, allowing up to 128ms of ACK delay to be encoded on two octets with an 8us resolution). I haven't made any changes for HTTP yet, I plan to do that in a separate PR. Commit: 1d37bb39263b359ca7f0c07a492edadaf9bccb90 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1d37bb39263b359ca7f0c07a492edadaf9bccb90 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-16 (Mon, 16 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Review comments Commit: 2318887545df411c0d17387d41e82f3d2e16ac75 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2318887545df411c0d17387d41e82f3d2e16ac75 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-16 (Mon, 16 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add a length field to ACK Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/cf1c0a331298...2318887545df ----==_mimepart_59e3fce2dfa87_30203fd0d8687c3c1142db-- From nobody Sun Oct 15 17:28:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7388B1332CA for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 17:28:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V0eSTqrK4eJq for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 17:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext5.iad.github.net [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC64E1321A4 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 17:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 17:28:10 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1508113690; bh=AVMOH1wN4Dbv0DKoxv40Dde3hk05n8kUFU0/OXQI0Lc=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bpL/vC2lo/CRYAZsWeky/IQ+r+YFiN2rbpbWPG+Rw99+kFVSscbD/4Ah2T3a4SLJM fGDOVg424NWTEnrCAgbamHDdl+2lh2X76P0TrWiXsIWXkt41ymv2crov9rUsk3r+R/ yGILDeEmzXwckdkjIozmEsJrW2A8NUB02QFh2lHc= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Integers (#877) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e3fd1a1024d_1b4b3fbdadc72f2c678e6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 00:28:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e3fd1a1024d_1b4b3fbdadc72f2c678e6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This isn't quite ready - I have to make some changes in the HTTP doc, but I thought that I'd share it now so that we have a better location for discussion. This proposal replaces all integer encodings in frames with a unified variable-length encoding format. It simplifies the encoding considerably, most noticeably in the ACK frame, which I have largely rewritten. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/877 -- Commit Summary -- * Transport integer encoding proposal * Review comments * Add a length field to ACK -- File Changes -- A .draft-ietf-quic-http-07.upload (17) A .draft-ietf-quic-tls-07.upload (16) A .draft-ietf-quic-transport-07.upload (16) M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (386) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/877.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/877.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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This isn't quite ready - I have to make some changes in the HTTP doc, but I thought that I'd share it now so that we have a better location for discussion.

This proposal replaces all integer encodings in frames with a unified variable-length encoding format. It simplifies the encoding considerably, most noticeably in the ACK frame, which I have largely rewritten.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/877

Commit Summary

  • Transport integer encoding proposal
  • Review comments
  • Add a length field to ACK

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----==_mimepart_59e3fd1a1024d_1b4b3fbdadc72f2c678e6-- From nobody Sun Oct 15 17:30:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F476126B6D for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 17:30:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0OiVrD-4ggmo for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 17:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B28D21321A4 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 17:30:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=5eRtYO+fnIU00+SLjaM6iwBTVrU=; b=EZ6YBnSgJZB/Qeis GRdu+7q9XCeZEUxCUAWcbjO1XzuxcuFHhlaIR844Ojobi6DpUGIl2bbWHYEiAX/x adkpXXkwyQQ092njeMYCNUS2cW3d2v4XGBWDVQ0M/KCFvQjLA5UIg9HP9i27OAmr s45edtlJH14dbegWl+bZZxKxBng= Received: by filter0603p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0603p1mdw1-24053-59E3FD96-D 2017-10-16 00:30:14.620198812 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id CSDLQOLZRbS8GBMk4v2X9A for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 00:30:14.584 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 00:30:14 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Identify streams unidirectional vs bidirectional based on stream ID (#872) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e3fd967acef_50183f8ba38eaf307229d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak35eHo5IetMy0524far+wwQz0HBvmYKxHug7V xHi8V96CpJr8HYFsyBVpLWMviHd+cKObiOCQb/7iFx4u2oJl07xbNX5+NFo0JcSa9cTl5YRsWCovdr DLcFH3CMS/oK8Os8P7xFD1EAJUXD0SdxhdKGkB0PD4cvHZv0t5vFXvX36yEEw2OW0xR5EN7QA0zJQ5 Q= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 00:30:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e3fd967acef_50183f8ba38eaf307229d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Firstly, thanks for this PR, I think that it is almost exactly what we need. I have two concerns, the first of which we should resolve before merging this. The encoding of type into the low bits of the identifier is problematic. I would prefer that we encode an explicit type field into the stream ID encoding. The number of bits doesn't change, but the way that we identify the streams could. I suspect that this is going to generate a ton of angry emails, in the same way that suggesting that 0 being special did, but I find the encoding of the type into the low bits to make certain operations more difficult than is ideal. If you look at the proposed change in #877, I would define a modified stream ID encoding that steals two bits before the length bits. It's less uniform in terms of the integer encoding, but you have a predictable location to look for the stream type. The state machine here needs some serious work, but that can be deferred. I would prefer that we wait for someone to transcribe the state machine that Mike shared in the Seattle interim. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/872#issuecomment-336753522 ----==_mimepart_59e3fd967acef_50183f8ba38eaf307229d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Firstly, thanks for this PR, I think that it is almost exactly what we n= eed. I have two concerns, the first of which we should resolve before merg= ing this.

The encoding of type into the low bits of the identifier is problematic.= I would prefer that we encode an explicit type field into the stream ID e= ncoding. The number of bits doesn't change, but the way that we identify t= he streams could. I suspect that this is going to generate a ton of angry = emails, in the same way that suggesting that 0 being special did, but I fin= d the encoding of the type into the low bits to make certain operations mor= e difficult than is ideal.

If you look at the proposed change in #877, I would define a modified stream ID encoding that = steals two bits before the length bits. It's less uniform in terms of the = integer encoding, but you have a predictable location to look for the strea= m type.

The state machine here needs some serious work, but that can be deferred= . I would prefer that we wait for someone to transcribe the state machine = that Mike shared in the Seattle interim.

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----==_mimepart_59e3ffb8ad3a0_78f3fd935ae6f3440783-- From nobody Sun Oct 15 17:47:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B57B1332D4 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 17:47:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.018 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.018 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J1KdosdtD_SX for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 17:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE55D1321A4 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2017 17:47:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=QuTGjiH88Okc0TQGLpK6LsmJXUI=; b=esWDNSRuaxlq7+Ld 4XDrICHxNV46TOErakr2Ia04Iam+0rtsNvbwWvMvB8kdz04C/nm8LqQusl1UW5sV RoOvZpX4Moao1a6VxO1qP7MvEqNDtIKzwJOSJLx3J9Ff/bhE/pguTKjEUWgwMtTC Zzo69Z6uZwfmQW++E0EtFv24s/w= Received: by filter1149p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1149p1mdw1-26262-59E4018E-1B 2017-10-16 00:47:10.882361902 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0010p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id kCfLYzTaQlel5qiqELgxGg for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 00:47:10.799 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 00:47:11 +0000 (UTC) From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Identify streams unidirectional vs bidirectional based on stream ID (#872) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e4018eaf03d_41cf3fae14cc4f28463b1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3YubO9wvtQmeeva2UgYawvxXWrr0tTtCjFhe fSPJNPaea+pWN86CU0rdjySFOSEHr/PTE7Op9qe7eQ4LVHwqaELpQQvMRCz1IB2eB/IUowYAVz22YD dTd7rM2dCEL/uw8Pl6Dccqj2a2z54p06pfRpZsQLU5AAbtTwEp+1qPCSk5dl/x0ADM2w44ekorD/Z7 8= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 00:47:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e4018eaf03d_41cf3fae14cc4f28463b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While I am also concerned with the complexity of adding stream type into the ID (it adds a lot of special cases, but likely most alternatives would too), I don't think it is a good idea to have several ways of decoding varlen integers. It is best to have a single function to deal with endianness and unaligned read access and decoding, rather than several implementations. If the bits are to be relocated, they could be placed in the frame type which can the be placed in the upper bits after decoding. But unfortunately that adds a lot of sub-frame types as Ian pointed out. Still, I think I prefer this. It makes it possible to immediately branch out on stream type. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/872#issuecomment-336754603 ----==_mimepart_59e4018eaf03d_41cf3fae14cc4f28463b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

While I am also concerned with the complexity of adding stream type into= the ID (it adds a lot of special cases, but likely most alternatives would= too), I don't think it is a good idea to have several ways of decoding var= len integers. It is best to have a single function to deal with endianness = and unaligned read access and decoding, rather than several implementations= .

If the bits are to be relocated, they could be placed in the frame type = which can the be placed in the upper bits after decoding. But unfortunately= that adds a lot of sub-frame types as Ian pointed out. Still, I think I pr= efer this. It makes it possible to immediately branch out on stream type.

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@mikkelfj= , I originally wanted to move the bits to the frame type; but you would= need three of each type of frame that mentions streams and there are 6 fra= me types to modify in that way. On balance, moving the identification into= the same slot that we encode the stream ID as @RyanAtGoogle proposes might be = better. That said, the HTTP mapping only uses certain specific types of str= eams, so maybe it could work out.

I forgot one comment: this PR doesn't address the initial values for MAX= _STREAM_ID and MAX_STREAM_DATA. I think that we should have separate confi= guration for those. That suggests that maybe a separate frame type isn't s= o bad an idea.

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I'm not looking to improve connection migration here. Just describe how I believe that is has to work within the current design. If you want to add make-before-break connection migration, that's awesome, but it will definitely take more changes than this. (It might build on this, even back out some of these changes.) I'll split the PING/PONG change out though. > @@ -1351,6 +1355,14 @@ connection when they move networks. This includes state that can be hard to recover such as outstanding requests, which might otherwise be lost with no easy way to retry them. +An endpoint that receives packets that contain a source IP address and port that That's entirely too woolly for me. Can we decide to remove the stronger language once we decide that a less-than-hard cutover is necessary? I appreciate that there might be some value in testing a path before switching to it, for example, but lowercase "should" leaves a lot up to implementations to work out. Can we give more concrete advice? Would it be OK to say that the old path can be used until the probe works or times out? We're basically conceding that there will be periods of multipath there, which is probably a good thing long-term, but I wanted to avoid that. > +the value correctly. + +Note: + +: Retransmissions of the PING frame MUST also use the same remote address. + +If validation of the new remote address fails, after allowing enough time for +possible loss and recovery of packets carrying PING and PONG frames, the +endpoint MUST terminate the connection. When setting this timer, +implementations are cautioned that the new path could have a longer round trip +time than the original. The endpoint MUST NOT send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in +this case; it has to assume that the remote peer does not want to receive any +more packets. + +If the remote address is validated successfully, the endpoint MAY increase the +rate that it sends on the new path using the state from the previous path. The That wasn't the conclusion of the discussion on #161. FWIW, I would prefer that, but I am trying to capture the outcome of the discussion faithfully. > + +Once a connection is established, address validation is relatively simple (see +{{address-validation}} for the process that is used during the handshake). An +endpoint validates a remote address by sending a PING frame containing a payload +that is hard to guess. This frame MUST be sent in a packet that is sent to the +new address. Once a PONG frame containing the same payload is received, the +address is considered to be valid. The PONG frame can use any path on its +return. A PING frame containing 12 randomly generated {{?RFC4086}} octets is +sufficient to ensure that it is easier to receive the packet than it is to guess +the value correctly. + +Note: + +: Retransmissions of the PING frame MUST also use the same remote address. + +If validation of the new remote address fails, after allowing enough time for The logic here is such that if the old address continues to be used (and this is not just due to old packets being delayed, because it checks that the packet number increases) then the check on the new path is abandoned and the old path is OK. > @@ -1984,6 +2122,18 @@ Stream ID: Error Code: : The application-specified reason the sender is ignoring the stream. + +## PONG Frame {#frame-pong} + +The PONG frame (type=0x0d) is sent in response to a PING frame that contains +data. Its format is identical to the PING frame ({{frame-ping}}). + +An endpoint that receives an unsolicited PONG frame - that is, a PONG frame +containing a payload that is either empty or not identical to the content of a +PING frame that the endpoint previously sent - MUST generate a connection error +of type UNSOLICITED_PONG. Correct. That's the default. > -The PING frame can be used to keep a connection alive when an application or -application protocol wishes to prevent the connection from timing out. An +~~~ + 0 1 2 3 + 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Pong Length(8)| Pong Data (*) ... I removed all qualifiers on the names. > +## Spurious Connection Migrations + +A connection migration could be triggered by an attacker that is able to capture +and forward a packet such that it arrives before the legitimate copy of that +packet. Such a packet will appear to be a legitimate connection migration and +the legitimate copy will be dropped as a duplicate. + +After a spurious migration, validation of the source address will fail because +the entity at the source address does not have the necessary cryptographic keys +to read or respond to the PING frame that is sent to it, even if it wanted to. +Such a spurious connection migration could result in the connection being +dropped when the source address validation fails. This grants an attacker the +ability to terminate the connection. + +Receipt of packets with higher packet numbers from the legitimate address will +trigger another connection migration. This will cause the validation of the How far up? > +of data and packets that it sends to its peer. At a minimum, this needs to +consider the possibility that packets are sent without congestion feedback. + +Once a connection is established, address validation is relatively simple (see +{{address-validation}} for the process that is used during the handshake). An +endpoint validates a remote address by sending a PING frame containing a payload +that is hard to guess. This frame MUST be sent in a packet that is sent to the +new address. Once a PONG frame containing the same payload is received, the +address is considered to be valid. The PONG frame can use any path on its +return. A PING frame containing 12 randomly generated {{?RFC4086}} octets is +sufficient to ensure that it is easier to receive the packet than it is to guess +the value correctly. + +Note: + +: Retransmissions of the PING frame MUST also use the same remote address. ICE sends a new random number, we should too. > + +After verifying an address, the endpoint SHOULD update any address validation +tokens ({{address-validation}}) that it has issued to its peer if those are no +longer valid based on the changed address. + +Address validation using the PING frame MAY be used at any time by either peer. +For instance, an endpoint might check that a peer is still in possession of its +address after a period of quiescence. + +Upon seeing a connection migration, an endpoint that sees a new address MUST +abandon any address validation it is performing with other addresses on the +expectation that the validation is likely to fail. Abandoning address +validation primarily means not closing the connection when a PONG frame is not +received, but it could also mean ceasing retransmissions of the PING frame. An +endpoint that doesn't retransmit a PING frame might receive a PONG frame, which +it MUST ignore. It sounds like you have a design in mind. Removing this paragraph breaks the guarantee from above. I can't write about a design that I don't know about. Are you describing a case where each endpoint is able to probe paths, but not cause the peer to use those paths until it decides that the path is OK? (ICE does something similar in its make-before-break scenario, it's a reasonable model.) If so, you need signals so that the poor peer isn't forced to guess which of these paths is the one that is preferred. You also need some sort of system to ensure that both peers don't get different ideas about which path is "best". Without that you get uncontrolled path oscillations. We don't have either of those mechanisms right now, and the only signal we have is receipt of packets. Unless we add the better design, this design at least works, even if it is suboptimal. It's easy enough to back out or qualify a MUST or two once we have that better design complete. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

I'm not looking to improve connection migration here. Just describe how I believe that is has to work within the current design. If you want to add make-before-break connection migration, that's awesome, but it will definitely take more changes than this. (It might build on this, even back out some of these changes.) I'll split the PING/PONG change out though.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1351,6 +1355,14 @@ connection when they move networks.  This includes state that can be hard to
 recover such as outstanding requests, which might otherwise be lost with no easy
 way to retry them.
 
+An endpoint that receives packets that contain a source IP address and port that

That's entirely too woolly for me. Can we decide to remove the stronger language once we decide that a less-than-hard cutover is necessary? I appreciate that there might be some value in testing a path before switching to it, for example, but lowercase "should" leaves a lot up to implementations to work out.

Can we give more concrete advice? Would it be OK to say that the old path can be used until the probe works or times out? We're basically conceding that there will be periods of multipath there, which is probably a good thing long-term, but I wanted to avoid that.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +the value correctly.
+
+Note:
+
+: Retransmissions of the PING frame MUST also use the same remote address.
+
+If validation of the new remote address fails, after allowing enough time for
+possible loss and recovery of packets carrying PING and PONG frames, the
+endpoint MUST terminate the connection.  When setting this timer,
+implementations are cautioned that the new path could have a longer round trip
+time than the original.  The endpoint MUST NOT send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in
+this case; it has to assume that the remote peer does not want to receive any
+more packets.
+
+If the remote address is validated successfully, the endpoint MAY increase the
+rate that it sends on the new path using the state from the previous path.  The

That wasn't the conclusion of the discussion on #161. FWIW, I would prefer that, but I am trying to capture the outcome of the discussion faithfully.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+Once a connection is established, address validation is relatively simple (see
+{{address-validation}} for the process that is used during the handshake).  An
+endpoint validates a remote address by sending a PING frame containing a payload
+that is hard to guess.  This frame MUST be sent in a packet that is sent to the
+new address.  Once a PONG frame containing the same payload is received, the
+address is considered to be valid.  The PONG frame can use any path on its
+return.  A PING frame containing 12 randomly generated {{?RFC4086}} octets is
+sufficient to ensure that it is easier to receive the packet than it is to guess
+the value correctly.
+
+Note:
+
+: Retransmissions of the PING frame MUST also use the same remote address.
+
+If validation of the new remote address fails, after allowing enough time for

The logic here is such that if the old address continues to be used (and this is not just due to old packets being delayed, because it checks that the packet number increases) then the check on the new path is abandoned and the old path is OK.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1984,6 +2122,18 @@ Stream ID:
 Error Code:
 : The application-specified reason the sender is ignoring the stream.
 
+
+## PONG Frame {#frame-pong}
+
+The PONG frame (type=0x0d) is sent in response to a PING frame that contains
+data.  Its format is identical to the PING frame ({{frame-ping}}).
+
+An endpoint that receives an unsolicited PONG frame - that is, a PONG frame
+containing a payload that is either empty or not identical to the content of a
+PING frame that the endpoint previously sent - MUST generate a connection error
+of type UNSOLICITED_PONG.

Correct. That's the default.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The PING frame can be used to keep a connection alive when an application or
-application protocol wishes to prevent the connection from timing out.  An
+~~~
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+| Pong Length(8)|              Pong Data (*)                  ...

I removed all qualifiers on the names.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +## Spurious Connection Migrations
+
+A connection migration could be triggered by an attacker that is able to capture
+and forward a packet such that it arrives before the legitimate copy of that
+packet.  Such a packet will appear to be a legitimate connection migration and
+the legitimate copy will be dropped as a duplicate.
+
+After a spurious migration, validation of the source address will fail because
+the entity at the source address does not have the necessary cryptographic keys
+to read or respond to the PING frame that is sent to it, even if it wanted to.
+Such a spurious connection migration could result in the connection being
+dropped when the source address validation fails.  This grants an attacker the
+ability to terminate the connection.
+
+Receipt of packets with higher packet numbers from the legitimate address will
+trigger another connection migration.  This will cause the validation of the

How far up?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +of data and packets that it sends to its peer.  At a minimum, this needs to
+consider the possibility that packets are sent without congestion feedback.
+
+Once a connection is established, address validation is relatively simple (see
+{{address-validation}} for the process that is used during the handshake).  An
+endpoint validates a remote address by sending a PING frame containing a payload
+that is hard to guess.  This frame MUST be sent in a packet that is sent to the
+new address.  Once a PONG frame containing the same payload is received, the
+address is considered to be valid.  The PONG frame can use any path on its
+return.  A PING frame containing 12 randomly generated {{?RFC4086}} octets is
+sufficient to ensure that it is easier to receive the packet than it is to guess
+the value correctly.
+
+Note:
+
+: Retransmissions of the PING frame MUST also use the same remote address.

ICE sends a new random number, we should too.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+After verifying an address, the endpoint SHOULD update any address validation
+tokens ({{address-validation}}) that it has issued to its peer if those are no
+longer valid based on the changed address.
+
+Address validation using the PING frame MAY be used at any time by either peer.
+For instance, an endpoint might check that a peer is still in possession of its
+address after a period of quiescence.
+
+Upon seeing a connection migration, an endpoint that sees a new address MUST
+abandon any address validation it is performing with other addresses on the
+expectation that the validation is likely to fail.  Abandoning address
+validation primarily means not closing the connection when a PONG frame is not
+received, but it could also mean ceasing retransmissions of the PING frame.  An
+endpoint that doesn't retransmit a PING frame might receive a PONG frame, which
+it MUST ignore.

It sounds like you have a design in mind. Removing this paragraph breaks the guarantee from above.

I can't write about a design that I don't know about. Are you describing a case where each endpoint is able to probe paths, but not cause the peer to use those paths until it decides that the path is OK? (ICE does something similar in its make-before-break scenario, it's a reasonable model.)

If so, you need signals so that the poor peer isn't forced to guess which of these paths is the one that is preferred. You also need some sort of system to ensure that both peers don't get different ideas about which path is "best". Without that you get uncontrolled path oscillations. We don't have either of those mechanisms right now, and the only signal we have is receipt of packets. Unless we add the better design, this design at least works, even if it is suboptimal. It's easy enough to back out or qualify a MUST or two once we have that better design complete.

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This modifies PING to have an optional payload and adds a PONG frame to echo the PING. An empty PING generates an ACK; a PING with a payload demands a PONG. Generating an unguessable PING is the basis of mid-connection address validation. If the PING is sent on the new path, and the PONG comes back, then the remote address is probably OK to use. I've taken the discussion in the issue into consideration here. There's a lot of potential nuance to capture in terms of how an endpoint might reduce and restore send rates, but I've done what I can to thread the gap between allowing unbounded sending along new and untested paths and allowing connections to get back to doing business. It's annoying that this makes PING and PONG so disparate. I think that we have a re-ordering of frames in our near future to correct minor infidelities like this. I didn't want to do that here and pollute this PR though. Closes #161. Commit: c0419697a6c7d3058db0d601a05e5bcace365bc2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c0419697a6c7d3058db0d601a05e5bcace365bc2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-16 (Mon, 16 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Avoid attack on address validation during connection migration The attack here is that an attacker might duplicate a legitimate packet and send that packet from an invalid address such that it arrives before the real copy. That causes the recipient to think that there was a connection migration. They will attempt to validate that address and this will fail. The connection is then closed. The fix is to cause a migration back to the original, legitimate address. For this to work, you need two things: 1. when a migration happens, abandon any validation on the old address on the expectation that it will fail 2. when a migration happens, make sure that you try to trigger packets from the old address first For the second point, I decided to mandate address validation, rather than an ordinary PING. The reason being that you have to retransmit the packet on that path and I doubt that implementations will want to have two sets of special machinery for transmiting - and retransmitting - frames on a specific path. Maybe this is too much of a constraint on implementations, so I'd like to hear from people about whether they would prefer a more generic requirement (send any packet that demands acknowledgment would work, it doesn't even have to be the same packet every time, though the usual situation will be that the packet will be lost, so you probably don't want to send anything important). 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Split this from the migration patch.

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  • Actually define the error code

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Why am I not allowed to include an ACK for the Client Initial here? Th= is would provide the Client with a first RTT measurement.
Furthermore, I=E2=80=99d like to avoid special code that makes sure that = this single packet doesn=E2=80=99t contain any other frames.

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= ----==_mimepart_59e4571391bd5_35b13fab513c4f38535a5-- From nobody Mon Oct 16 01:54:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5991326F6 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 01:54:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cwa3iQ01Cl5f for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 01:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B7A8134497 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 01:54:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=Mj/PQggQ9+lI3vRBTS4kvKzHslE=; b=FprxZCFivXuv64x6 xk+Ium2tVvGqK0NdmkWPh1ufGHea/xh0dEQKmkfTCvaYMgxLZfFrriHG1uX1a+zY QzMm52cLUYsqYLKzIdjWmAujxWb6NG/v4qLpv4+LDB5hyLMulNluOaRLUvZNnzDJ EVH/1ldIaTxF6uISgeLMOm+j44k= Received: by filter0218p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0218p1iad2-3814-59E473C8-3 2017-10-16 08:54:32.061978203 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0017p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 30AtETDWTsWSODfsqESnVg for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 08:54:32.053 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 08:54:32 +0000 (UTC) From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] PONG frame (#878) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e473c7dca8d_1b5c53fbe16792f3424615"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2uVtRJl+hPmE17cNwUF9wdTPWPmnmDNc3DuK 7UMHa2GwWKzXxGc/zk7MvfUYrhgN8UvuP0r93dnlh5K6/s2G1NUY6UuXpafBN+4QzU2o5EE6cHtm+E C4OGQtEJmAhVSSNnPZ1Idph3+Zlb7hxBPhgWAywnWzWA1494+SqGYnZKPg== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 08:54:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e473c7dca8d_1b5c53fbe16792f3424615 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like the PONG especially because it can elicit an immediate response when app protocol so desires as opposed to delayed ACKs. This can be used liveness checks at various levels in the stack. I assume the length field is 8 bytes in anticipation of a future var length encoding that has not yet been made to mainstream, otherwise 8 bytes is a way to big number. Allowing it to be large may put unnecessary security constraints on the app protocols because the PING frame can be abusively large on large MTU's forcing PING response caches waiting for app protocol to respond and thus waste memory. There is on overall flow control limit, but no limit like for stream data. My immediate thought was that a simple single integer would suffice and simplify the idea without giving up much. But, I can see that you might want a serial number + an application subsystem identifier, or more generally, an encoded message in one of many possible binary encodings. Thus, I think some safety concerns must be considered, possibly limiting the frequence or size, or at least very clearly state the application protocol must be aware of any potential attack vectors. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/878#issuecomment-336822894 ----==_mimepart_59e473c7dca8d_1b5c53fbe16792f3424615 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I like the PONG especially because it can elicit an immediate response w= hen app protocol so desires as opposed to delayed ACKs. This can be used li= veness checks at various levels in the stack.

I assume the length field is 8 bytes in anticipation of a future var len= gth encoding that has not yet been made to mainstream, otherwise 8 bytes is= a way to big number. Allowing it to be large may put unnecessary security = constraints on the app protocols because the PING frame can be abusively la= rge on large MTU's forcing PING response caches waiting for app protocol to= respond and thus waste memory. There is on overall flow control limit, but= no limit like for stream data.

My immediate thought was that a simple single integer would suffice and = simplify the idea without giving up much. But, I can see that you might wan= t a serial number + an application subsystem identifier, or more generally,= an encoded message in one of many possible binary encodings.

Thus, I think some safety concerns must be considered, possibly limiting= the frequence or size, or at least very clearly state the application prot= ocol must be aware of any potential attack vectors.

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Marten brings up a good point. Having an early RTT signal is really nic= e both to avoid tail latency and spurious retransmits. If you've sent mult= iple client initials, you don't know which this is in response to.

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I like this(#877) at= a high level because it also fixes #423 (at least well enough for now) and is fast, easy to imp= lement and space efficient. It also expands the stream_id space, which I t= hink is a good idea anyway.

As I said on the PR, I prefer the "num blocks" approach to the 0 as a te= rminator approach. I noted you prefer the 'total length' approach, but I t= hink that could become a real pain, especially once ECN and/or timestamps a= re added back in, so the length may be non-trivial to compute.

Given the rest of this PR is heading in a good direction, I'd rather kee= p the core format of the ACK frame as similar as possible for now by doing = num blocks and then we can discuss a complete relayout of the ack frame in = a different issue/PR.

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+1, this is a shift, not an exponent.

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This is a long run-on sentence. In general I prefer succinct statement= s to spelled out arithmetic operations, since they're clearer. So, I'll o= ffer a suggestion and then a suggested rephrasing. I think it'll be usefu= l to have notation for encoding and decoding operations (say, e() and d()= ). If we had such, here's a potential rephrasing:

The ACK Delay field encodes a value that MUST be scaled to get the act= ual acknowledgement delay. The ack_delay_exponent transport parameter se= t by the sender of the ACK frame indicates the number of left shifts, as = described in Section XX. The actual acknowledgement delay value in micros= econds is then computed as follows (using the "C" notation "<<" for= left-shift):

acknowledgement delay =3D d(ACK Delay) << ack_delay_exponent

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TCP recommended delayed ack is 200ms (even though QUIC uses a smaller = value), and 16 bits is 64ms. I like the way this is done in this PR, with= a default shift of 3 -- which gives you ~500ms -- but an endpoint can in= dicate differently. 500ms is a few RTTs, which is also large enough to ha= ndle reordering when the largest acked is received out of order, causing = the ack delay to increase as subsequent lower packet numbers are acked.

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I would definitely prefer a # blocks to a byte-length field. It's not = so much about how much to read from the wire, but about how many ranges t= o allocate when parsing and recording the ack locally. Separately, I thin= k we should indicate somewhere, if we don't already, that an ACK frame MU= ST fit within a packet.

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I think this proposal is basically good.

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the packetnumber of the SSR is the packetnumber of the CI that triggered it.. and now that we don't do re-randomization that should be deterministic. so that's essentially an ACK, right?

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@m= artinthomson On using the high-order bits instead of the low-order on= es, I don't have a strong opinion, but it's not complicated to use low-or= der ones. We've done that for client/server streams, this merely extends = it.

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Thanks for splitting this out. A couple of points, inline. > -application protocol wishes to prevent the connection from timing out. An +~~~ + 0 1 2 3 + 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Length(8) | Data (*) ... ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +~~~ + +Length: + +: This 8-bit value describes the length of the Data field. + +Data: + +: This variable-length field contains arbitrary data. "Upon loss detection, a retransmitted PING MUST carry the same data." > @@ -2063,6 +2087,20 @@ Application Error Code: {{app-error-codes}}). + +## PONG Frame {#frame-pong} + +The PONG frame (type=0x0d) is sent in response to a PING frame that contains +data. Its format is identical to the PING frame ({{frame-ping}}). + +An endpoint that receives an unsolicited PONG frame - that is, a PONG frame +containing a payload that is either empty or not identical to the content of a +PING frame that the endpoint previously sent - MUST generate a connection error +of type UNSOLICITED_PONG. Note that the Data field of the frame is the only You'll need to account for retransmission/duplication of PONG packets. If an endpoint transmits a PONG, has a timeout and retransmits the PONG, then the receiver of the first PONG will discard state associated with the PING, and will close the connection on receiving the second PONG. You could ask the PING sender to remember PINGs sent over the past X RTTs, or simply discard PONGs with unknown data. 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Thanks for splitting this out. A couple of points, inline.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -application protocol wishes to prevent the connection from timing out.  An
+~~~
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|   Length(8)   |                 Data (*)                    ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~
+
+Length:
+
+: This 8-bit value describes the length of the Data field.
+
+Data:
+
+: This variable-length field contains arbitrary data.

"Upon loss detection, a retransmitted PING MUST carry the same data."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2063,6 +2087,20 @@ Application Error Code:
   {{app-error-codes}}).
 
 
+
+## PONG Frame {#frame-pong}
+
+The PONG frame (type=0x0d) is sent in response to a PING frame that contains
+data.  Its format is identical to the PING frame ({{frame-ping}}).
+
+An endpoint that receives an unsolicited PONG frame - that is, a PONG frame
+containing a payload that is either empty or not identical to the content of a
+PING frame that the endpoint previously sent - MUST generate a connection error
+of type UNSOLICITED_PONG.  Note that the Data field of the frame is the only

You'll need to account for retransmission/duplication of PONG packets. If an endpoint transmits a PONG, has a timeout and retransmits the PONG, then the receiver of the first PONG will discard state associated with the PING, and will close the connection on receiving the second PONG.

You could ask the PING sender to remember PINGs sent over the past X RTTs, or simply discard PONGs with unknown data. I'd recommend (and implement) the latter, since its easier, has very little state, and there's no way to enforce that an endpoint terminate a connection on receiving a bad PONG.

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I also believe it is simpler to keep bits low rather than having a non-standard varlen integer format.

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@janaiyengar requested changes on this pull request.

This PR makes assumptions about use that is more appropriate for an issue or a mailing list discussion. As it stands, I don't think this PR should be merged. Connection migration is not simple, and I'm happy to share our experiences with implementing it and deploying it, and I would definitely like to get the Apple folks to chime in as well with their MPTCP experience. This PR is not the right place for it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1351,6 +1355,14 @@ connection when they move networks.  This includes state that can be hard to
 recover such as outstanding requests, which might otherwise be lost with no easy
 way to retry them.
 
+An endpoint that receives packets that contain a source IP address and port that

(What does "too woolly" mean?) We as a wg haven't decided anything about connection migration yet, so I don't think we should add any normative language until we agree on what is necessary. There's a bigger design issue question here, and I think this PR is unnecessarily rushing to resolve the design issue.

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@martinduke notes that we should note timestamp deletion.

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----==_mimepart_59e53e9c4a94_56953fd7e5856f2c116ee-- From nobody Mon Oct 16 16:33:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A23132403 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:33:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J6QJrX2AGYrs for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7EB181270AE for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:33:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=b+v0jkm+2tTdJrDCcdZVjIdL9HM=; b=YNz6g+e5zr13FXss +vTrYjtu/RgTdDvujHNauKxoSTrhwPipPaIqxqJeNBFdffQq6wgNLYSK+W9HSdpd 1ts5Q9NC/DkIGlBy0ztBZ5F0V/eX0HuO7/cl3MHWLO1L+8h67Ggs+LjQrRB62CkL ml1JPhZn3JaAKHiu8RNjRGLal7A= Received: by filter0273p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0273p1iad2-7161-59E541BB-4A 2017-10-16 23:33:16.037360694 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0009p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id T_4adFJYTD2KpGY8CC15CA for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 23:33:15.868 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 23:33:16 +0000 (UTC) From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Simplify stateless retry (#817) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e541bbbb192_76863f8c2aa1af2c715e5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1VU5J2Mv7JG5sWH8KkmWf85+qI2lWotJ3xN/ GrSSFzkGclcNFohcj4w4zVYPQsRcpztAFmL5NbWNm+JYAQfGFFsuCRaKN3Dw+YofdLK76w86hqYbdk nS5PxIxHesYW7f32wQUTLqC4gZJCS5vpKmr4CrOkR/9NGE4q81wzRskPZQ== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 23:33:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e541bbbb192_76863f8c2aa1af2c715e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I didn't realize that's true, but if so, that would be sufficient for an RTT sample. It is a non-standard path for RTT measurement, but SSR is a sort of special case, since you're essentially creating a whole new connection, so I'm ok with that in this case. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/817#issuecomment-337073731 ----==_mimepart_59e541bbbb192_76863f8c2aa1af2c715e5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I didn't realize that's true, but if so, that would be sufficient for an= RTT sample. It is a non-standard path for RTT measurement, but SSR is a s= ort of special case, since you're essentially creating a whole new connecti= on, so I'm ok with that in this case.

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But why do we need to create a special case here? Why is it explicitly forbidden to include an ACK?

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This results in new packets on the connection being discarded. An endpoint MAY send a stateless reset in response to any further incoming packets. +An endpoint MAY exit the draining period earlier if it can guarantee that its +peer is also draining. Receiving a CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame +is sufficient confirmation, as is receiving a stateless reset. However, +disposing of connection state could result in delayed or reordered packets to be +handled poorly. For endpoints that have some alternative means to ensure that +that late arriving packets on the connection are discarded, such as closing the +UDP port, an abbreviated draining period can allow for faster resource recovery. (i) Closing the "port" makes no sense, you probably meant to say "socket". (ii) Closing the port doesn't ensure that they;re discarded -- this can result in an ICMP message being generated in response. Perhaps say something like "to ensure that late-arriving packets on the connection do not create QUIC state, such as by closing the UDP socket" > Once the draining period has ended, an endpoint SHOULD discard per-connection state. This results in new packets on the connection being discarded. An endpoint MAY send a stateless reset in response to any further incoming packets. +An endpoint MAY exit the draining period earlier if it can guarantee that its +peer is also draining. Receiving a CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame +is sufficient confirmation, as is receiving a stateless reset. However, +disposing of connection state could result in delayed or reordered packets to be +handled poorly. For endpoints that have some alternative means to ensure that +that late arriving packets on the connection are discarded, such as closing the +UDP port, an abbreviated draining period can allow for faster resource recovery. +Servers that retain an open port for accepting new connections SHOULD NOT exit +the draining period early. This sentence is good. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/870#pullrequestreview-69731213 ----==_mimepart_59e542d161aea_71ce3fc2e0fe8f3487968 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

a nit, but I'll approve, assuming that you'll address the comment.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 Once the draining period has ended, an endpoint SHOULD discard per-connection
 state.  This results in new packets on the connection being discarded.  An
 endpoint MAY send a stateless reset in response to any further incoming packets.
 
+An endpoint MAY exit the draining period earlier if it can guarantee that its
+peer is also draining.  Receiving a CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame
+is sufficient confirmation, as is receiving a stateless reset.  However,
+disposing of connection state could result in delayed or reordered packets to be
+handled poorly.  For endpoints that have some alternative means to ensure that
+that late arriving packets on the connection are discarded, such as closing the
+UDP port, an abbreviated draining period can allow for faster resource recovery.

(i) Closing the "port" makes no sense, you probably meant to say "socket".
(ii) Closing the port doesn't ensure that they;re discarded -- this can result in an ICMP message being generated in response. Perhaps say something like "to ensure that late-arriving packets on the connection do not create QUIC state, such as by closing the UDP socket"

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 Once the draining period has ended, an endpoint SHOULD discard per-connection
 state.  This results in new packets on the connection being discarded.  An
 endpoint MAY send a stateless reset in response to any further incoming packets.
 
+An endpoint MAY exit the draining period earlier if it can guarantee that its
+peer is also draining.  Receiving a CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame
+is sufficient confirmation, as is receiving a stateless reset.  However,
+disposing of connection state could result in delayed or reordered packets to be
+handled poorly.  For endpoints that have some alternative means to ensure that
+that late arriving packets on the connection are discarded, such as closing the
+UDP port, an abbreviated draining period can allow for faster resource recovery.
+Servers that retain an open port for accepting new connections SHOULD NOT exit
+the draining period early.

This sentence is good.

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I'm generally OK with this strategy, but I agree with MT that I'd rather= use the high-order bits of the stream ID as control bits (for both the dir= ection and for the bi/uni switch). This just gives you four spaces that you= can talk about sensibly.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2063,6 +2087,20 @@ Application Error Code:
   {{app-error-codes}}).
 
 
+
+## PONG Frame {#frame-pong}
+
+The PONG frame (type=0x0d) is sent in response to a PING frame that contains
+data.  Its format is identical to the PING frame ({{frame-ping}}).
+
+An endpoint that receives an unsolicited PONG frame - that is, a PONG frame
+containing a payload that is either empty or not identical to the content of a
+PING frame that the endpoint previously sent - MUST generate a connection error
+of type UNSOLICITED_PONG.  Note that the Data field of the frame is the only

...or you could include a MAC in the payload and avoid all state, thereby avoiding the problem.

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Sure, the change to num blocks is trivial. I figured that either approach was equally bad, so went with one that would allow the parser to move on faster, but I am willing to go either way on this one.

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I agree with Ian - there are complexities with going with a length bas= ed solution when dealing with optional sub-frames so as is, I prefer any= solution that is not length based.

But it is not unhead of to have a length based solution where each sub= frame exists if the length is longer than most recently parsed subframe, = but obviously that necessitates a termination of that subframe. Thus, eac= h subframe typically has its own length. One of the IoT protocols do this= , perhaps it is MQTT. However, it is likely to consume more space.

In isolation, it is also not a good idea to add a length based solutio= n. If it is done, all other frames ought to be revisited, which would be = some additional work to ensure the length can be understood without under= standing the full frame.

I would generally like to see a solution where a frame could be skippe= d by just reading its header as opposed to requiring a full stream parser= . It forces implementations to separate parsing from actions which may be= architecturally nice, but introduces temporary data structures to handle= the parse output. But, it will likely consume more space overall.

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Let's open an issue on this. I had assumed that the Retry would be sent immediately, so the ACK delay wouldn't factor into the RTT calculation.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1351,6 +1355,14 @@ connection when they move networks.  This includes state that can be hard to
 recover such as outstanding requests, which might otherwise be lost with no easy
 way to retry them.
 
+An endpoint that receives packets that contain a source IP address and port that

I agree, we don't know and we should discuss. But this PR addresses problems with use of new paths that can't otherwise be addressed. I agree with you that this isn't a great design, it's probably even terrible, but a good design will take time. You aren't committing to this design though. I would prefer to see this merged, while recognizing that it is bad in certain specific ways (I don't agree that this is so bad that the protocol will break, however). I will even open the issue that explains the shortcoming of this design if we merge this.

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Regarding the time delay format, would it be too simple to just have a b= it in the ACK flags that specifies milliseconds or microseconds for that fr= ame? Does 1 us - 64 sec (or 16 sec assuming Martin's other change) give us = enough dynamic range for the vast majority of applications in a 2B encoding= ?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -application protocol wishes to prevent the connection from timing out.  An
+~~~
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|   Length(8)   |                 Data (*)                    ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~
+
+Length:
+
+: This 8-bit value describes the length of the Data field.
+
+Data:
+
+: This variable-length field contains arbitrary data.

Hm -- yeah, I forgot that there are ACKs for PINGs.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2063,6 +2087,20 @@ Application Error Code:
   {{app-error-codes}}).
 
 
+
+## PONG Frame {#frame-pong}
+
+The PONG frame (type=0x0d) is sent in response to a PING frame that contains
+data.  Its format is identical to the PING frame ({{frame-ping}}).
+
+An endpoint that receives an unsolicited PONG frame - that is, a PONG frame
+containing a payload that is either empty or not identical to the content of a
+PING frame that the endpoint previously sent - MUST generate a connection error
+of type UNSOLICITED_PONG.  Note that the Data field of the frame is the only

I don't understand. My suggestion here was to remove the requirement that a PONG MUST match an open PING. This seems unnecessary.

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Regarding the 2 bits to encode the length, I see significant pros and = cons for the simplicity of implementation. It's good to get rid of the th= icket of different encodings to figure out how big the fields are. That's= probably worth losing the 0-byte offset option, etc.

I also agree that this handles ACK corner cases better.

On the other hand, this makes it hard to figure out how big anything i= s supposed to be before parsing the entire thing. This is somewhat annoyi= ng when you're doing this in kernel space and dealing with skbuff-like st= ructures, and means I have to check for the end of the datagram (a malfor= med frame) on essentially every field in an ACK, rather than once per fra= me.

I would also like to understand how this affects long form headers. Th= e fixed size of fields in long form headers is an important innovation th= at makes things much easier to handle between versions, etc.

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I propose removing the largest acked since it isn't really guaranteed to= be the largest the peer has seen.

There are strong incentives for it to be so. If I always send an accurat= e largest_acked, then my PCB only need to store the receive time of the hig= hest packet number. If l choose largest_acked to be any other packet, I hav= e to essentially store the receive time of that packet as well.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2063,6 +2087,20 @@ Application Error Code:
   {{app-error-codes}}).
 
 
+
+## PONG Frame {#frame-pong}
+
+The PONG frame (type=0x0d) is sent in response to a PING frame that contains
+data.  Its format is identical to the PING frame ({{frame-ping}}).
+
+An endpoint that receives an unsolicited PONG frame - that is, a PONG frame
+containing a payload that is either empty or not identical to the content of a
+PING frame that the endpoint previously sent - MUST generate a connection error
+of type UNSOLICITED_PONG.  Note that the Data field of the frame is the only

Would you be OK with MAY? I want to ensure that bad actors can't guess PONG values without consequence.

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@mart= induke, this only affects frame encodings. The packet headers don't = change at all.

I have retained the 0-byte offset (and the remainder-of-the-packet len= gth flag) so that this is a minimal change. We could consider its value = separately.

Are you arguing for length-prefix rather than count-prefix? I think t= hat we'll probably want to poll implementers about that point. The cost = of this sort of encoding is that you have to read the frame to learn how = long it is. The trade-off is, I think, between different decoder costs (= length allows you to skip the frame and parse at leisure, count allows yo= u to know how many ranges to allocate), vs. encoder costs (length seems t= o be strictly harder because it requires that you encode or calculate fir= st and then backfill the length, this in part is why the variable integer= encoding permits longer encodings to include small values).

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In #817, @marten-seemann asks why the server can't send an ACK with its HelloRetryRequest.

I had assumed that this ACK would be pointless. Obviously, the server can only acknowledge a single packet (the Initial packet), and this is implicitly acknowledged. The only information that the packet might now contain is the ACK Delay field now that we removed the timestamps from the default ACK format. That assumes that the server is delaying its response in any way or that its processing is somehow significant enough to be worth measuring. I don't think that the server has any reason to delay the generation of a HelloRetryRequest, and the entire design depends on the processing time required to generate it is minimal.

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@m= artinthomson I might have been confused by the changes at the very to= p regarding packet numbers. Perhaps this only applies to packet numbers i= n ack frames? Perhaps some clarifying language is in order.

I apologize for not reading the PR more carefully to see the limited s= cope of this change. To be honest, if this only applies to select fields = in certain frames, while other fields (encoding the same thing!) use the = old style encoding, I'm less in love with the idea. If we're going to do = this, I'd just as soon make this standard for all integers except for the= ones that aren't really numbers (just Conn ID and Version, I think). We = can make a special rule that Packet Number in Long Headers MUST have the = 10 encoding. Then we free up tons of bits in flags fields all the way thr= ough QUIC.

Alternatively, make the ACK frame a special snowflake with different e= ncodings and put all the notation language there. ACK already has odd enc= odings, and this seems to be the only straightforward way to solve certai= n problems in the ACK..

Are you arguing for length-prefix rather than count-prefix?

I am not sure what I am arguing for. This problem seems limited to the= ACK frame, so perhaps the answer is to do both. I agree that there are s= ignificant drawbacks to either approach. I'll mull it over a bit more.

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#161 and #732 assume a make after break= model, where only one network is available at any given time for an endpoi= nt to migrate to. This is generally too simplistic, and it is common for mo= bile devices to have access to both WiFi and cellular. Connection migration= needs to be more nuanced about probing and using the multiple available ne= tworks. Experience with GQUIC and MPTCP shows that having access to multipl= e networks is almost necessary for useful connection migration.

We should design migration carefully based on known best practices and e= xperience. The current text is necessary but insufficient, and this issue i= s a placeholder for improving this set of mechanisms in the draft.

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First off, and sorry for not saying this earlier, thanks for working on all this text -- a lot of this is helpful! I'll be fine with the comments I have inline. Mostly, I'll be fine if you remove the normative text about requiring switching to the new path, since this fundamentally prevents probing. The other stuff is good; I'd prefer less verbose text, but whatever. Happy to iterate after you get this in. > +the value correctly. + +Note: + +: Retransmissions of the PING frame MUST also use the same remote address. + +If validation of the new remote address fails, after allowing enough time for +possible loss and recovery of packets carrying PING and PONG frames, the +endpoint MUST terminate the connection. When setting this timer, +implementations are cautioned that the new path could have a longer round trip +time than the original. The endpoint MUST NOT send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in +this case; it has to assume that the remote peer does not want to receive any +more packets. + +If the remote address is validated successfully, the endpoint MAY increase the +rate that it sends on the new path using the state from the previous path. The This is about behavior after the path is validated ... conservative behavior would be to reset the congestion controller to initial state. I say SHOULD because there may be good reasons for using other state (such as state stored about the new network). I'm just suggesting a shortening that is adequate, not a different statement here. My suggestion here is to not say anything about what to do with NAT rebinding... if current practice is useful, I'm happy to help document what we observe in the wild. Otherwise, let's just recommend the conservative thing. > @@ -1351,6 +1355,14 @@ connection when they move networks. This includes state that can be hard to recover such as outstanding requests, which might otherwise be lost with no easy way to retry them. +An endpoint that receives packets that contain a source IP address and port that I don't think this is too bad, it's just one design that I don't think is adequate. Which is why I don't think there should be normative behavior here yet. I would like to build on this PR, and add normative behavior that _we all agree_ should be normative. At the moment I don't think what you're stating as normative is useful. You're requiring that an endpoint switch immediately, which is unnecessary. FWIW, I've opened #880. > @@ -1484,9 +1501,110 @@ number. "packet_number_secret" is derived from the TLS key exchange, as described in Section 5.6 of {{QUIC-TLS}}. -### Address Validation for Migrated Connections - -TODO: see issue #161 +### Address Validation for Migrated Connections {#migrate-validate} I think this section is useful, and does capture the resolution of #161. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/732#pullrequestreview-69762241 ----==_mimepart_59e58889526cc_462d3fd66b340f2c590c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

First off, and sorry for not saying this earlier, thanks for working on all this text -- a lot of this is helpful! I'll be fine with the comments I have inline. Mostly, I'll be fine if you remove the normative text about requiring switching to the new path, since this fundamentally prevents probing. The other stuff is good; I'd prefer less verbose text, but whatever. Happy to iterate after you get this in.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +the value correctly.
+
+Note:
+
+: Retransmissions of the PING frame MUST also use the same remote address.
+
+If validation of the new remote address fails, after allowing enough time for
+possible loss and recovery of packets carrying PING and PONG frames, the
+endpoint MUST terminate the connection.  When setting this timer,
+implementations are cautioned that the new path could have a longer round trip
+time than the original.  The endpoint MUST NOT send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in
+this case; it has to assume that the remote peer does not want to receive any
+more packets.
+
+If the remote address is validated successfully, the endpoint MAY increase the
+rate that it sends on the new path using the state from the previous path.  The

This is about behavior after the path is validated ... conservative behavior would be to reset the congestion controller to initial state. I say SHOULD because there may be good reasons for using other state (such as state stored about the new network). I'm just suggesting a shortening that is adequate, not a different statement here. My suggestion here is to not say anything about what to do with NAT rebinding... if current practice is useful, I'm happy to help document what we observe in the wild. Otherwise, let's just recommend the conservative thing.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1351,6 +1355,14 @@ connection when they move networks.  This includes state that can be hard to
 recover such as outstanding requests, which might otherwise be lost with no easy
 way to retry them.
 
+An endpoint that receives packets that contain a source IP address and port that

I don't think this is too bad, it's just one design that I don't think is adequate. Which is why I don't think there should be normative behavior here yet. I would like to build on this PR, and add normative behavior that we all agree should be normative. At the moment I don't think what you're stating as normative is useful. You're requiring that an endpoint switch immediately, which is unnecessary.

FWIW, I've opened #880.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1484,9 +1501,110 @@ number. "packet_number_secret" is derived from the TLS key exchange,
 as described in Section 5.6 of {{QUIC-TLS}}.
 
 
-### Address Validation for Migrated Connections
-
-TODO: see issue #161
+### Address Validation for Migrated Connections {#migrate-validate}

I think this section is useful, and does capture the resolution of #161.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2063,6 +2087,20 @@ Application Error Code:
   {{app-error-codes}}).
 
 
+
+## PONG Frame {#frame-pong}
+
+The PONG frame (type=0x0d) is sent in response to a PING frame that contains
+data.  Its format is identical to the PING frame ({{frame-ping}}).
+
+An endpoint that receives an unsolicited PONG frame - that is, a PONG frame
+containing a payload that is either empty or not identical to the content of a
+PING frame that the endpoint previously sent - MUST generate a connection error
+of type UNSOLICITED_PONG.  Note that the Data field of the frame is the only

Bad actors can simply send random PONGs and cause the connection to be torn down, that's quite a bad consequence, isn't it? I was trying to prevent the connection from getting torn down because of legitimate operational issues, such as a duplicate PONG reaching the PING sender late. Basically, you're currently requiring that the sender of a PING hold some state without stating exactly what state, and if it sees a PONG that doesn't match the unspecified state, that it kill the connection.

I am fine with saying MAY, but I would qualify the sentence with something like "If the receiver of a PONG can be certain that the received Data was not sent by it .... ". WDYT?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2063,6 +2087,20 @@ Application Error Code:
   {{app-error-codes}}).
 
 
+
+## PONG Frame {#frame-pong}
+
+The PONG frame (type=0x0d) is sent in response to a PING frame that contains
+data.  Its format is identical to the PING frame ({{frame-ping}}).
+
+An endpoint that receives an unsolicited PONG frame - that is, a PONG frame
+containing a payload that is either empty or not identical to the content of a
+PING frame that the endpoint previously sent - MUST generate a connection error
+of type UNSOLICITED_PONG.  Note that the Data field of the frame is the only

I can work with that; it's what I was thinking.

FWIW, I didn't have a design that required state in mind. But you are right to point out that a MUST narrows the range of reasonable designs considerably.

Not sure about the "bad actors" point you make here. The point is to have the connection torn down if someone starts generating random PONGs. After all, if you want to close the connection and you have the keys, you have other more direct methods available to you.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2063,6 +2087,20 @@ Application Error Code:
   {{app-error-codes}}).
 
 
+
+## PONG Frame {#frame-pong}
+
+The PONG frame (type=0x0d) is sent in response to a PING frame that contains
+data.  Its format is identical to the PING frame ({{frame-ping}}).
+
+An endpoint that receives an unsolicited PONG frame - that is, a PONG frame
+containing a payload that is either empty or not identical to the content of a
+PING frame that the endpoint previously sent - MUST generate a connection error
+of type UNSOLICITED_PONG.  Note that the Data field of the frame is the only

I can totally see that you can build this without state, but we have to prepare for a naive implementer who doesn't recognize that a simple implementation that remembers exactly one PING is likely to break in a variety of situations.

About the "bad actors", agreed.

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This modifies PING to have an optional payload and adds a PONG frame to echo the PING. An empty PING generates an ACK; a PING with a payload demands a PONG. Generating an unguessable PING is the basis of mid-connection address validation. If the PING is sent on the new path, and the PONG comes back, then the remote address is probably OK to use. I've taken the discussion in the issue into consideration here. There's a lot of potential nuance to capture in terms of how an endpoint might reduce and restore send rates, but I've done what I can to thread the gap between allowing unbounded sending along new and untested paths and allowing connections to get back to doing business. It's annoying that this makes PING and PONG so disparate. I think that we have a re-ordering of frames in our near future to correct minor infidelities like this. I didn't want to do that here and pollute this PR though. Closes #161. Commit: a0480aae3f12a5d584c932321a1201e6c13a5759 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a0480aae3f12a5d584c932321a1201e6c13a5759 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-17 (Tue, 17 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Avoid attack on address validation during connection migration The attack here is that an attacker might duplicate a legitimate packet and send that packet from an invalid address such that it arrives before the real copy. That causes the recipient to think that there was a connection migration. They will attempt to validate that address and this will fail. The connection is then closed. The fix is to cause a migration back to the original, legitimate address. For this to work, you need two things: 1. when a migration happens, abandon any validation on the old address on the expectation that it will fail 2. when a migration happens, make sure that you try to trigger packets from the old address first For the second point, I decided to mandate address validation, rather than an ordinary PING. The reason being that you have to retransmit the packet on that path and I doubt that implementations will want to have two sets of special machinery for transmiting - and retransmitting - frames on a specific path. Maybe this is too much of a constraint on implementations, so I'd like to hear from people about whether they would prefer a more generic requirement (send any packet that demands acknowledgment would work, it doesn't even have to be the same packet every time, though the usual situation will be that the packet will be lost, so you probably don't want to send anything important). Commit: 854377925432d10f42ec617e6d24ec0122cfbf5f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/854377925432d10f42ec617e6d24ec0122cfbf5f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-17 (Tue, 17 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- More review comments Commit: 67849052344984d1e1bddf990717a48357b890be https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/67849052344984d1e1bddf990717a48357b890be Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-17 (Tue, 17 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Require new PING on loss Commit: a724bdb991bea5b4470cba4077e7f338e25baf3a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a724bdb991bea5b4470cba4077e7f338e25baf3a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-17 (Tue, 17 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Data field, not payload Commit: ca3f375a8bfceacac59ee75da527cf1941c8c7f0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ca3f375a8bfceacac59ee75da527cf1941c8c7f0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-17 (Tue, 17 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove MUST Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/9d00167b6ec1...ca3f375a8bfc ----==_mimepart_59e58fbbc82d3_22393f864f62bc3075883-- From nobody Mon Oct 16 22:06:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4589F132332 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 22:06:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5zI98Hka6fIq for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 22:06:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA3CB1320CF for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 22:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 22:06:49 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1508216809; bh=eTU8c0HcjAdknvV9e2HIwzmXKQn7WkJLbz7UIKR7A5Y=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Zw3kKPqOhnyo5XC4YY1UXjfTYUScJG7a3XNxPKZCHXVEGg6laQQtrvw64ErObJwu7 gAGl/L+1wr2wQhXzFJ+LzhO6RvmWvwW/syXZYgTQU29Wh9rLG4LKwVRpMYGG6q0c11 NBRYFN9+XCuw+y0r8yLEml5fRJhiEuKe41FzcbEE= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Address validation for connection migration (#732) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e58fe948629_58183fbf8ccaef286987e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 05:06:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e58fe948629_58183fbf8ccaef286987e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've removed the normative and made this more descriptive than prescriptive. 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I've removed the normative and made this more descriptive than prescri= ptive. I hope that gives us the wiggle room we need.

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LGTM. Thanks for patiently working through this -- it's a great addition to the draft! I sure hope we can make the new text more legible than 5246 -- that's certainly much more complicated than connection migration, so if we aren't, we aren't doing a good enough job :-)

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Ah! Sorry I read 5246, but you said 5245. Hah! Yes, indeed :-)

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----==_mimepart_59e593cc389b1_2d1f13f868a6acf34666d8-- From nobody Mon Oct 16 22:23:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCEE1132A05 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 22:23:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hzK3KOQwCCRL for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 22:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m69-169.mailgun.net (m69-169.mailgun.net [166.78.69.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 097D0132949 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 22:23:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1508217811; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=0esP8wgAxfPyBPdDIACESZkRs3cS6R2k/EuujwYsppU=; b=vKv+noH8w6SzKSy8vJ7Nre5XoIEUCoMqLRQrXzgWQWeaSbyBiXGnXLtgw2bmGPAi6uOkVdSh IFxNQj9Z/ZJFN0xZ3x3FVUj5E6ouRRZau9Iv33e6WUh6ZW+KVchKy6ihe/v0VVM96oF+46Uz F1Mr1qRXVIHNAhrLSUmx+zHTcAo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hgCFRv62i1Yw4BiNtW6Aa3l2W5HeQS13Qqe/D7ds7Ki5woQ6+uX+6Zy7TupWofr8GaUvdj S4aLzxFS/LeeDOTulu478cYNQ5HorJ6TGdQ8UTxmBEbObahC3gBNquGANQfymcBq3apsXn5i iDI2pFM83rtamWVXnrXKdzWFG0vP4= Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.169 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.40]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 59e593d3.7f5afc351630-smtp-out-n02; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 05:23:31 -0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 22:23:31 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <59e593d31d450_1a703f85da935c341003b9@hookshot-fe6-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] d9389f: Ignore upload files Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e593d31cd80_1a703f85da935c34100266"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 05:23:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e593d31cd80_1a703f85da935c34100266 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: d9389f05d48bebc8caf9fc0d6dafc7e8b62a1d21 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d9389f05d48bebc8caf9fc0d6dafc7e8b62a1d21 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-17 (Tue, 17 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M .gitignore Log Message: ----------- Ignore upload files Commit: ded8d4fab722c5909c97aa58e618e8da7f2d189c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ded8d4fab722c5909c97aa58e618e8da7f2d189c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-17 (Tue, 17 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Address validation for connection migration This has been much-discussed, and it's a relatively isolated change, so I did it. This modifies PING to have an optional payload and adds a PONG frame to echo the PING. An empty PING generates an ACK; a PING with a payload demands a PONG. Generating an unguessable PING is the basis of mid-connection address validation. If the PING is sent on the new path, and the PONG comes back, then the remote address is probably OK to use. I've taken the discussion in the issue into consideration here. There's a lot of potential nuance to capture in terms of how an endpoint might reduce and restore send rates, but I've done what I can to thread the gap between allowing unbounded sending along new and untested paths and allowing connections to get back to doing business. It's annoying that this makes PING and PONG so disparate. I think that we have a re-ordering of frames in our near future to correct minor infidelities like this. I didn't want to do that here and pollute this PR though. Closes #161. Commit: a0480aae3f12a5d584c932321a1201e6c13a5759 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a0480aae3f12a5d584c932321a1201e6c13a5759 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-17 (Tue, 17 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Avoid attack on address validation during connection migration The attack here is that an attacker might duplicate a legitimate packet and send that packet from an invalid address such that it arrives before the real copy. That causes the recipient to think that there was a connection migration. They will attempt to validate that address and this will fail. The connection is then closed. The fix is to cause a migration back to the original, legitimate address. For this to work, you need two things: 1. when a migration happens, abandon any validation on the old address on the expectation that it will fail 2. when a migration happens, make sure that you try to trigger packets from the old address first For the second point, I decided to mandate address validation, rather than an ordinary PING. The reason being that you have to retransmit the packet on that path and I doubt that implementations will want to have two sets of special machinery for transmiting - and retransmitting - frames on a specific path. Maybe this is too much of a constraint on implementations, so I'd like to hear from people about whether they would prefer a more generic requirement (send any packet that demands acknowledgment would work, it doesn't even have to be the same packet every time, though the usual situation will be that the packet will be lost, so you probably don't want to send anything important). Commit: 854377925432d10f42ec617e6d24ec0122cfbf5f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/854377925432d10f42ec617e6d24ec0122cfbf5f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-17 (Tue, 17 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- More review comments Commit: 67849052344984d1e1bddf990717a48357b890be https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/67849052344984d1e1bddf990717a48357b890be Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-17 (Tue, 17 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Require new PING on loss Commit: a724bdb991bea5b4470cba4077e7f338e25baf3a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a724bdb991bea5b4470cba4077e7f338e25baf3a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-17 (Tue, 17 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Data field, not payload Commit: ca3f375a8bfceacac59ee75da527cf1941c8c7f0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ca3f375a8bfceacac59ee75da527cf1941c8c7f0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-17 (Tue, 17 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove MUST Commit: d30f411a7bd9c5f6db6f63a4f82ef5c96bd5c4ba https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d30f411a7bd9c5f6db6f63a4f82ef5c96bd5c4ba Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-17 (Tue, 17 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M .gitignore M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #732 from quicwg/proof-of-receipt Address validation for connection migration Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/dd717ab3229e...d30f411a7bd9 ----==_mimepart_59e593d31cd80_1a703f85da935c34100266-- From nobody Mon Oct 16 22:23:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F1A21320CF for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 22:23:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L8s55P6ljwHF for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 22:23:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1484132D17 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 22:23:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=kjmiJbxAe7rP7p/Bre+4qaT5IvM=; b=knXjvfyovaKY3Gdp /UPpu4N5kUfa6bFg8H+r8DLC5OX4rz+cN/7oyCWULGBCWNhEPi1/NRdffkgQpYVb ulzqc24gYoevt4ecK1gM93kYu9YsWvKZUH+oNx3ubrPs1OEfDsbWsqVtlr2/0jg6 OvWmPOhqWo9qlucJ7EP5HhKQe0E= Received: by filter0961p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0961p1mdw1-12412-59E593D4-10 2017-10-17 05:23:33.037345023 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id IEeYfNSRTNeY7MOg0SdYqA for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 05:23:32.865 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 05:23:33 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Address validation for connection migration (#732) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e593d4c038e_4ef13f8923228f3039898"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3WfZe+xqh/Lig4VEkf8Xb6gFXc6FxHPTEnja q2ZHNvh2rDNAMW/LQrM0fqbFyDWSZTqha8wnYByRX9RtSMjXTdPiE5LFGE/T8I2zedTycFRrubwsP8 rLWJAx95M56caHaRShF9Wvl31zCr859H9ov1EPmyV9tN4gkPNNxTnsLZVeU6fXDvsRXKmxGmE5gz7X E= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 05:23:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e593d4c038e_4ef13f8923228f3039898 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #732. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Heh, well, either one. 5246 is much, much better, but I think we might = be able to improve on that some too.

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It's possible for a client to underestimate the RTT to the server, send = a ClientHello and then retransmit it. The server could receive the first Cl= ientHello and send a HelloRetryRequest in response. But at this point the c= lient may think that the HelloRetryRequest is in response to the second ret= ransmitted ClientHello. So by sending an ACK, the client can learn if Clien= tHello 1 or 2 was the packet which elicited the HelloRetryRequest.

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That's not a problem: the different packets containing ClientHello will include a different packet number, which is echoed in the packet carrying the HelloRetryRequest.

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----==_mimepart_59e5a16eb5fa4_52443fa5201daf38739e2-- From nobody Tue Oct 17 00:06:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A1551332DF for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 00:06:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MzLq7ZKem_cV for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 00:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CAFF13331E for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 00:06:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=k3zpOxAvVI/x0lIITIuEg7odh8k=; b=cJBNxvmEyjEh1XC1 pac/wXTf1CenT2TgRyTlDAZev34eK+rj7UY21z4KpkG2/b+IE0JxnzGo01OVf/fH 2yLk3nTlTdBG27Hon8hIBQ9M42OAsoAaLQcdbj6e0PB+ojOOq+rhom/014GVn67U 39zohdQUMCki0WUswUD6MOhVXVY= Received: by filter0905p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0905p1mdw1-4434-59E5ABF0-19 2017-10-17 07:06:25.103092157 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0008p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 0_-isl45R7qZ12wOkiNgXw for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 07:06:24.855 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 07:06:25 +0000 (UTC) From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] RTT Measurement for HelloRetryRequest (#879) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e5abf0b1c00_71cd3f9160a56f28379df"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak27fZWrwNy8Qv0iUddCAAv//JLE3XV117HP9a Jsr7fb7P3nB7+EXVepurpBTwsJAlQYIpefOHp5jlG0XOYXHHPjEBIUKKYNAVt8NsvCwvB30XU/YGid r/sU3UZROr7XFghDcLHThws+umybyk+FmF6rUchv29ih+CZKftxmn3Ujh+UlxHTwnZcu2qB4eU+kBe M= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 07:06:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e5abf0b1c00_71cd3f9160a56f28379df Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There are two issues here: 1. Even if possible in theory, do we really want to introduce a separate wa= y for RTT measurements independent of ACKs, which only applies for the firs= t packet? 2. Do we really want to introduce extra logic to make sure that the HRR pac= ket doesn=E2=80=99t include an ACK, and to verify that on the receiver side? I think the answer to both questions is no. Including an ACK is cheap (just= a few bytes) and all the ACKing logic is already in place. I think we shou= ld revert #817, or maybe even go a step further and make including an ACK w= ith the HRR recommended. --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/879#issuecomment-337138131= ----==_mimepart_59e5abf0b1c00_71cd3f9160a56f28379df Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

There are two issues here:

  1. Even if possible in theory, do we really want to introduce a separate w= ay for RTT measurements independent of ACKs, which only applies for the fir= st packet?
  2. Do we really want to introduce extra logic to make sure that the HRR pa= cket doesn=E2=80=99t include an ACK, and to verify that on the receiver sid= e?

I think the answer to both questions is no. Including an ACK is cheap (j= ust a few bytes) and all the ACKing logic is already in place. I think we s= hould revert #817, or m= aybe even go a step further and make including an ACK with the HRR recommen= ded.

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= ----==_mimepart_59e5abf0b1c00_71cd3f9160a56f28379df-- From nobody Tue Oct 17 06:22:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6618513219B for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 06:22:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.096 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.096 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0GDvQubOQJHb for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 06:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext7.iad.github.net [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D72BC132153 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 06:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 06:22:47 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1508246567; bh=ig3GnLxt+/xo9CjuHNYjQIbmfDXwkyAgAgyl8A5cDlI=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=naLRty4D+yxoQEB4gLA5N4lY0iguUbWUwNREvIo1k+kmrqNDvfe+SJsfK/iksWsUH 5IrI45sIRakMV6CGjliHbatiJvTKFF51V0kuaZzHUv7qpR8do8XbTtamhyts1TH2e8 /fJDU48pwOGtalWk0Cn+1tVrTVWY6eFxSYOEn1V0= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] RTT Measurement for HelloRetryRequest (#879) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e60427e7cc_79f93fcb3fed6f30726ec"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 13:22:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e60427e7cc_79f93fcb3fed6f30726ec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think Marten outlines the issue well. In GQUIC, we experimented with writing some handshake specific code for a while, but it never worked correctly, so we decided it was a lot easier to just use the existing ACK frame. Whichever way we go, we should clarify how one is expected to obtain an RTT sample to feed into the next connection attempt. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/879#issuecomment-337229467 ----==_mimepart_59e60427e7cc_79f93fcb3fed6f30726ec Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think Marten outlines the issue well.

In GQUIC, we experimented with writing some handshake specific code fo= r a while, but it never worked correctly, so we decided it was a lot easi= er to just use the existing ACK frame.

Whichever way we go, we should clarify how one is expected to obtain a= n RTT sample to feed into the next connection attempt.

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= ----==_mimepart_59e60427e7cc_79f93fcb3fed6f30726ec-- From nobody Tue Oct 17 07:22:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBD45132F76 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 07:22:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e8PTxJ1I2aqF for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 07:22:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 327F0132D67 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 07:22:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=AZtd6fElyJZPEyMHf4SwiM9OYIc=; b=Qhtlm/AY3FzIzMUu E3017GzGooE6L6ymo9xvHthhai14cYaZUa/lJItSG5V+tAq56QW3d3s1GDHMcBY8 yW/N+yVGmrdXoGBbe6X9TCzhiSbMIZSn1ZDyDM7Vlxnw9qH5+4EYR6RAo32O7DLq fLMxq5yW/kneXNWm4ZI+6DjRQ2A= Received: by filter0504p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0504p1mdw1-1261-59E61239-6 2017-10-17 14:22:49.430575902 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id rN5gBz6oRd-KeMPW7BwnEA for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 14:22:49.209 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 14:22:49 +0000 (UTC) From: Patrick McManus Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] RTT Measurement for HelloRetryRequest (#879) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e6123914957_7c1c3faa23998f389801e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mcmanus X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1P11S4Rlp5RKEY7EjC46szRXELnd+BRMvVK4 qRDRX/E+DNJizqU5wMSl09VYgZ9z/J8AaTi1l31IDYMzen4m4A7ZoTFr/7BPdy6M8umKmcqhS4pujV L4eiKlEGMObMRSwln2bvtFgJ0VBmUVnIgCUelpBPKXJGead7PBMSaGdu/R6+bqI6eOiD7jk+EXoxg0 M= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 14:22:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e6123914957_7c1c3faa23998f389801e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit no matter what we do there is going to be some cognitive dissonance. Elsewhere we say "The client client .. discards all transport state" upon receipt. So its not really a traditional ack in that sense either (i.e. if the server did not send the ACK you would not keep transmitting the info of the old CI which has been reset). In short - I don't think it matters if its implicit or explicit, this will be kinda ugly either way. I like implicit myself but whatever :) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/879#issuecomment-337247690 ----==_mimepart_59e6123914957_7c1c3faa23998f389801e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable no matter what we do there is going to be some cognitive dissonance.
Elsewhere we say "The client client .. discards all transport state&qu= ot; upon
receipt. So its not really a traditional ack in that sense either (i.e. if<= br> the server did not send the ACK you would not keep transmitting the info of=
the old CI which has been reset).

In short - I don't think it matters if its implicit or explicit, this w= ill
be kinda ugly either way. I like implicit myself but whatever :)

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I thought we already had this text somewhere. Anyway, LGTM, but wait for one of the -tls editors.

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RTT, across an HRR, but discard other state. This is very useful for the handshake timeout, since there's really no other value to seed the timeout with. Section 5.4.2 says what you wrote, but also says "The client MAY also retain any observed RTT or congestion state that it has accumulated for the flow, but other transport state MUST be discarded." I agree with Marten -- it's unnecessary to create separate RTT logic for this. What do we get for getting rid of ACKs here? On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 7:22 AM, Patrick McManus wrote: > no matter what we do there is going to be some cognitive dissonance. > Elsewhere we say "The client client .. discards all transport state" upon > receipt. So its not really a traditional ack in that sense either (i.e. if > the server did not send the ACK you would not keep transmitting the info = of > the old CI which has been reset). > > In short - I don't think it matters if its implicit or explicit, this will > be kinda ugly either way. I like implicit myself but whatever :) > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/879#issuecomment-337291830= ----==_mimepart_59e63bbca07a4_48b73f88cd080f304473e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable @mcmanus: The goal was to allow the sender to retain some state, esp. RTT,<= br> across an HRR, but discard other state. This is very useful for the
handshake timeout, since there's really no other value to seed the time= out
with. Section 5.4.2 says what you wrote, but also says "The client MAY= also
retain any observed RTT or congestion state that it has accumulated for the=
flow, but other transport state MUST be discarded."

I agree with Marten -- it's unnecessary to create separate RTT logic fo= r
this. What do we get for getting rid of ACKs here?

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wrote:

> no matter what we do there is going to be some cognitive dissonance. > Elsewhere we say "The client client .. discards all transport sta= te" upon
> receipt. So its not really a traditional ack in that sense either (i.e= . if
> the server did not send the ACK you would not keep transmitting the in= fo of
> the old CI which has been reset).
>
> In short - I don't think it matters if its implicit or explicit, t= his will
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wrote:

> @mcmanus: The goal was to allow the sender to retain some state, esp= . RTT,
> across an HRR, but discard other state. This is very useful for the<= br> > handshake timeout, since there's really no other value to seed t= he timeout
> with. Section 5.4.2 says what you wrote, but also says "The cli= ent MAY also
> retain any observed RTT or congestion state that it has accumulated = for the
> flow, but other transport state MUST be discarded."
>
> I agree with Marten -- it's unnecessary to create separate RTT l= ogic for
> this. What do we get for getting rid of ACKs here?
>

You avoid creating situations where the ACK state of this record is
inconsistent.
As McManus says, you are implicitly ACKing the CI by sending this message= .


> On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 7:22 AM, Patrick McManus <notifications@g= ithub.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > no matter what we do there is going to be some cognitive disson= ance.
> > Elsewhere we say "The client client .. discards all transp= ort state" upon
> > receipt. So its not really a traditional ack in that sense eith= er (i.e.
> if
> > the server did not send the ACK you would not keep transmitting= the info
> of
> > the old CI which has been reset).
> >
> > In short - I don't think it matters if its implicit or expl= icit, this
> will
> > be kinda ugly either way. I like implicit myself but whatever := )
> >
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This actually now has real-world implications in the -07 draft. The co= nnection ID is an input to generate the cleartext keys, so it very much m= atters what order the bytes are in.

I actually don't care which way we resolve it, but we must be absolute= ly clear.

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I have no metaphysical position on this question, but it is not purely academic. Connection ID is an input to cleartext key generation and we need to make this clear one way or the other.

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Fixes #879.

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Commit Summary

  • allow ACKs in the Server Stateless Retry packet

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How does this fit with #833? It seems to presume an outcome.

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I'm not in favor of this for the reasons discussed in #879, so we should discuss before merging.

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----==_mimepart_59e68684b55fb_7dcb3f81a8f06f2c4276d-- From nobody Tue Oct 17 15:40:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C40A13318C for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 15:40:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y_3BGhX-IPqz for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 15:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62EF3124F57 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 15:40:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=xlFyK6dnawfiT0i35qdUXzg8mvE=; b=HWbyKj2kKxtTSqy/ 7XCC3rnwuJOzisiuVeG/u+AU4qCqnw2W/8PQJTbGuIVEh1PglsJ8KUZf6v7NN4X2 mUZ8Rqzi6PqfOqtX19Q+st/Ezgr1AmN8J6Cx52CeJgkri9BbgEw1T3Ig46xBCwMA 59XgY3B4BcQeS1HMJRcYEhl1S5U= Received: by filter1153p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1153p1mdw1-32587-59E686CF-7 2017-10-17 22:40:15.792757147 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 8QgxOm2eSHOy_w98Qn67CA for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 22:40:15.617 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 22:40:15 +0000 (UTC) From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection ID is big endian (#881) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e686cf78690_2fce3feb478c2f2c131714"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1L/fEHr36mj+/oUjX6YoPuRrso8FE5B0dU7m qEqKLSqtAdWFm/f1Qms2SKqqruq7+2EVYr0EzVr24UKLZSdw9FeKJbPSA7SDklWUG6akw8+yyynsPG KEvvlTtQQBmdqGo8U8+5mFbPKw7UnOg2lvin/w3kU9xkniVIyBoLirsVyQ== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 22:40:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e686cf78690_2fce3feb478c2f2c131714 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson my intent here was just to clarify the wire encoding while we fought over #833. I am still in favor of merging #833. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/881#issuecomment-337396762 ----==_mimepart_59e686cf78690_2fce3feb478c2f2c131714 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson my intent here was just to clarify the wire encoding while we fought over #833. I am still in favor of merging #833.

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Yes, if we go with the direction of #877, the type bits need to be held separately from the = Stream ID. I agree that's challenging, but doesn't seem insurmountable, an= d feels cleaner than a mod-4 space. I never liked the even-odd approach to= begin with, I didn't like the mod-4 structure when it was in the HTTP/QUIC= draft, and I really don't want to see mod-4 invading the QUIC transport.

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Given the HTTP usage, I'm going to push harder for a separation of the= type bits, because that will make the HTTP usage of the identifiers easi= er (it has implicit type identification). That will have to wait until <= a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/877" class=3D"issue-= link js-issue-link" data-error-text=3D"Failed to load issue title" data-i= d=3D"265618218" data-permission-text=3D"Issue title is private" data-url=3D= "https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/877">#877 resolves. Th= at also needs some HTTP text.

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Some things that were unclear when I tried to cleartext encryption from the -07 draft. I am more or less a TLS novice, so YMMV:

  1. Section 5.2.1: For the cleartext secret, it would be useful to state quite clearly here that the connection ID is the "wire image" or "network order" version of connection ID; implementers should not change to host order, etc before calling HKDF-Extract.

  2. Section 5.2.4: "the IV length is the larger of 8 or N_MIN (see section 4 of RFC 5116)". This is super user-unfriendly. At a minimum, we should state that the N_MIN for AES_128_GCM (needed for cleartext) is 12 bytes. At best, we should just list the IV size for supported ciphers.

  3. Section 5.3: "Prior to TLS providing keys, no record protection is performed and the plaintext, P, is transmitted unmodified." I believe this paragraph is obsolete.

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The wire order thing is being hashed out in #833. An opaque value can only ever be serialized one way, but if we decide that it's a number, then we will merge #881.

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Remove text about no protection.
Describe the value for N_MIN.

Closes #883.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/884

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Unidirectional streams always have this bit set to +1 and bidirectional streams have this bit set to 0. As a result the initial +stream ID for various stream types is listed below: + +| Stream ID | Type | +|:------------|:------------------------------| +| 0x01 | Client Bidirectional | +| 0x02 | Server Bidirectional | +| 0x03 | Client Unidirectional | +| 0x04 | Server Unidirectional | Hmm, this table is wrong too. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/872#pullrequestreview-70090652 ----==_mimepart_59e6cda658cc7_1c1b83fe5c116af30337344 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2472,6 +2476,18 @@ corresponds to a stream which is allocated to it (i.e., odd-numbered for
 the client or even-numbered for the server) but which it has not yet
 created, it MUST close the connection with error code STREAM_STATE_ERROR.
 
+The second least significant bit differentiates between unidirectional streams
+and bidirectional streams. Unidirectional streams always have this bit set to
+1 and bidirectional streams have this bit set to 0. As a result the initial
+stream ID for various stream types is listed below:
+
+| Stream ID   | Type                          |
+|:------------|:------------------------------|
+| 0x01        | Client Bidirectional          |
+| 0x02        | Server Bidirectional          |
+| 0x03        | Client Unidirectional         |
+| 0x04        | Server Unidirectional         |

Hmm, this table is wrong too.

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This is #872 with so= me additional exposition and one significant change.

Client-initiated streams are now EVEN.

Server initiated streams are now ODD.

This is a pretty noticeable change, because it inverts the current sign,= and
might cause some disruption in implementations. However, it makes stream 0=
work within the framework better. It wasn't clear what Ryan's intent was w= ith
respect to numbering, but I wouldn't have noticed this until I noticed a
conflict between prose and the table.

Closes #643, #656, #720, #872, #175.

This does not close the other issues that were addressed by #643, because this
doesn't include any changes in the HTTP draft. I'll create a follow-up PR = for
that.

(We can argue about bit placement later, I'm just trying to make this as= good as it can be.)

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  h= ttps://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/885

Commit Summary

  • Identify unidirectional streams by the 2nd bit in the stream ID
  • Address nits
  • invert
  • clarify
  • more
  • Remove unnecessary language
  • Merge branch 'Unidirectional' of https://github.com/RyanAtGoo= gle/base-drafts into biuni-wat
  • Unidirection and bidirectional streams

File Changes

Patch Links:

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This corrects the omission. There is an obvious optimization for HTTP, which is to not send the low two bits of the Stream ID whenever it needs to identify a stream. Right now, the protocol only ever mentions client-initiated, bidirectional streams in frames, so those two bits are wasted. I'll save that change for later though. I have chosen to take the control stream and use two unidirectional streams, which addresses #515. 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This corrects the omission. There is an obvious optimization for HTTP, which is to not send the low two bits of the Stream ID whenever it needs to identify a stream. Right now, the protocol only ever mentions client-initiated, bidirectional streams in frames, so those two bits are wasted. I'll save that change for later though. I have chosen to take the control stream and use two unidirectional streams, which addresses #515. Closes #515, #240, #281. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/886 -- Commit Summary -- * Make HTTP use bidirectional and unidirectional stream -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (138) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/886.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/886.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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The changes in #885 don't include HTTP, which leaves that draft somewhat
broken. This corrects the omission.

There is an obvious optimization for HTTP, which is to not send the low two
bits of the Stream ID whenever it needs to identify a stream. Right now, the
protocol only ever mentions client-initiated, bidirectional streams in frames,
so those two bits are wasted. I'll save that change for later though.

I have chosen to take the control stream and use two unidirectional streams, which
addresses #515.

Closes #515, #240, #281.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/886

Commit Summary

  • Make HTTP use bidirectional and unidirectional stream

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It simplifies the encoding considerably, most noticeably in the ACK frame, which I have largely rewritten. This change increases the number of streams to 2^62, but reduces the number of packets and octets per stream to that same number. Both are very large values anyway. I kept the 2^10 scaling on the connection-level flow control window, so that goes to 2^72 now. The cost for ACK is a negligible decrease in efficiency for larger gaps or ACK blocks (mainly between 64 and 255 in length). This is counteracted by an increase in efficiency if there are occasional ranges or gaps larger than 255, which were previously very difficult to encode correctly. As previously discussed, the timestamp format is removed. In its place, we use the same integer encoding, but with a scaling value, or exponent, that is signaled in transport parameters, that should allow common ACK delays to be expressed in fewer octets (an exponent of 0 only allows for 16ms to be encoded in two octets, but the default exponent is 8, allowing up to 128ms of ACK delay to be encoded on two octets with an 8us resolution). I haven't made any changes for HTTP yet, I plan to do that in a separate PR. Commit: 06112c66869ae5cb7b1e741cf46417cad9ca7477 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/06112c66869ae5cb7b1e741cf46417cad9ca7477 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-18 (Wed, 18 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Review comments Commit: 66c5285f8e84786b7cb99dcab744f227c7f16843 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/66c5285f8e84786b7cb99dcab744f227c7f16843 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-18 (Wed, 18 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add a length field to ACK Commit: fd78bccd18ebb8fdca9fc6a0cb963d8e992b12b5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fd78bccd18ebb8fdca9fc6a0cb963d8e992b12b5 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-18 (Wed, 18 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Use a count rather than a length Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/5990de17fd28...fd78bccd18eb ----==_mimepart_59e6ee9c4296b_168e3f89e218bc347362-- From nobody Tue Oct 17 23:06:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0DCE1323B8 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 23:06:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5jfvF9rHA_Wu for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 23:06:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m71-131.mailgun.net (m71-131.mailgun.net [166.78.71.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 789C3126BF3 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 23:06:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1508306771; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=9xdc/eSBvh80seg9wUsSFeR+gP0xLRZNdiAUG016WaI=; b=i/wjWHt97RYpxNaEvoqZw+3aZvv5n2arnzJLLw/NXPRurv4L9pbkyQmqowZ8SSGYX88You/O o41qDH8e0yia73Doz67l9f2EMhhO+a7WGl1GaI5frHwHV4Dc/y5ISa9enZOSTsSowAxSUrgR iu/5ys8evDhqusrm0w3qGX8zbA4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ryyrRVqzPMKLwxLtnsDZJw1bNrLZZ9rFgwUE/OdzhgveaiABEb0zy88YbMlhtiUhTFGzIj Xj1jblOPgUc0kLpOcFY4iWHyYP8Cs6atvSDn+d4CJUzoMdljXPXfdxZDFtFC5AJakdMExKFP l0B7UO/Tbe1rC9dDqGljw/sZfFClQ= Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.71.131 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.41]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 59e6ef52.7f2f78466c30-smtp-out-n01; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 06:06:10 -0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 23:06:09 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <59e6ef51ce2f0_61353fa0eee37c3078428@hookshot-fe5-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] f54a28: Absolutely minimal change to HTTP for the integer ... 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Intended as a part of, or follow-on to, #877. ----==_mimepart_59e6ef51cdf72_61353fa0eee37c30783e3-- From nobody Tue Oct 17 23:07:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D62921323B8 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 23:07:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id boKkOasvjQSc for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 23:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext7.iad.github.net [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB262126BF3 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 23:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 23:07:08 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1508306828; bh=0X5eYME8+XS25cEtFmgFL+QV2rFTERfm6BlYGkxBsjE=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=iPhORFnvGEaDaEiz7UQt3hOW7KGcB7YjtabPhpl7CJEaQ8HoAeTD+k9IZVZvI97ib 6NMYI6F6BhVO44q8muHoEGx3K0Dp8Gg9bx9t+G/jKMlT7eT7xJDxGARuNnU84Aenr9 5l5zEPWbFJS7Wm7BoJNL+avq8WE9JIh5BkS6+HnE= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Minimal change (#887) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e6ef8cda09_2e6d13f9865b68f2c132847"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 06:07:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e6ef8cda09_2e6d13f9865b68f2c132847 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't especially like this version, but it is the easiest change to HTTP after we take #877. 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I don't especially like this version, but it is the easiest change to HTTP after we take #877.

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I'm somewhat worried that I missed something actually. Given that the changes are small, I think that I would prefer this over #887. The most interesting change here is that extension frame types that mention Stream IDs will have to change. I am not aware of any proposed thus far, so maybe it's not too much of a cost to bear. It further confirms my view that we shouldn't be using Stream IDs at this layer anyway. Based on this, I don't see any need for a middle-ground change. 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I'm somewhat worried that I missed something actually. Given that the changes are small, I think that I would prefer this over #887 for #877. The most interesting change here is that extension frame types that mention Stream IDs will have to change. I am not aware of any proposed thus far, so maybe it's not too much of a cost to bear. It further confirms my view that we shouldn't be using Stream IDs at this layer anyway. Based on this, I don't see any need for a middle-ground change. The biggest cost here is in taking the larger Stream ID space, not in taking the integer encoding. ----==_mimepart_59e6f57f7ef6e_148c3fd7a5b53c382783a-- From nobody Tue Oct 17 23:34:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5AB71321F5 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 23:34:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 60Ci3vilti0m for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 23:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E302132D17 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 23:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 23:34:25 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1508308465; bh=t7nqPtZTy70jt+334rT+DTc3cPBFBeqMQ88vkNNMSTc=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zz1a7sMY34PpwR5deZ10pQxy8oq7arUh0tKeHD9+YHn0RRp3CF2qhg6vUdKQFiTdG r0AcOl24PCRc9v14vL3CUHHXW5Xke+ZTzt2YZr2L29vwBKgkGQqp/VulGOIYLQfWzL aeA66ZNiX/HvG9IqHPwQ4TbqKRah+61wgw7GRv3g= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Maximal change for HTTP integer encoding (#888) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e6f5f138560_264c3ff8c8d48f2c9848b8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 06:34:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e6f5f138560_264c3ff8c8d48f2c9848b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This didn't turn out to be that disruptive. I'm somewhat worried that I missed something actually. Given that the changes are small, I think that I would prefer this over #887 for #877. The most interesting change here is that extension frame types that mention Stream IDs will have to change. I am not aware of any proposed thus far, so maybe it's not too much of a cost to bear. It further confirms my view that we shouldn't be using Stream IDs at this layer anyway. Based on this, I don't see any need for a middle-ground change. The biggest cost here is in taking the larger Stream ID space, not in taking the integer encoding. Worse, I just noticed that PRIORITY would need a lot more work to split if we only took the change for Stream ID, so the difference would be tiny. 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This didn't turn out to be that disruptive. I'm somewhat worried that I missed
something actually. Given that the changes are small, I think that I would
prefer this over #887 for #877.

The most interesting change here is that extension frame types that mention
Stream IDs will have to change. I am not aware of any proposed thus far, so
maybe it's not too much of a cost to bear. It further confirms my view that we
shouldn't be using Stream IDs at this layer anyway.

Based on this, I don't see any need for a middle-ground change. The biggest
cost here is in taking the larger Stream ID space, not in taking the integer
encoding. Worse, I just noticed that PRIORITY would need a lot more work to
split if we only took the change for Stream ID, so the difference would be tiny.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/888

Commit Summary

  • Maximal change for HTTP integer encoding

File Changes

Patch Links:

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Thanks for clarifying the definition of unidirectional and bidirectional. And I agree this is currently an inconsistency.

I'm a bit worried this change will create a lot of confusion for people familiar with HTTP/2. The alternative would be to make the crypto stream 1 again.(Yes, I know you probably hate that, but it is simple).

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----==_mimepart_59e74dff2d830_2abd3fa7b6a30f2832234a5-- From nobody Wed Oct 18 06:13:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F5461331D9 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 06:13:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eI6U4ll1sbWV for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 06:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4497132143 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 06:13:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=YGmTweEZQfUIzJ/VUAm/sYYOFuc=; b=Vz7nrZZbgvowVvSX kM/sJhrLcbmzJpNdU7wHNcrmAu5VvDvRuLLKmkzCpJr/S1fTNvhBX7dOcE5J1rSw saNwTEHRwIZUgs6Y8/9g1ROLJ8w2vDjstRmi09ChaRbHe4k4Mz2gea+A6FACpn5Y JXxQbUhnZ+e3fmWzDd5NT9TlbY8= Received: by filter0571p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0571p1mdw1-20344-59E75284-23 2017-10-18 13:09:25.06632601 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0010p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id OllPF1RJTW-OU6uLCFAAfg for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2017 13:09:24.689 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 13:09:25 +0000 (UTC) From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Maximal change for HTTP integer encoding (#888) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e7528493b53_71f63fa9cff4ef301127ae"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3yCwCIv/xG2HPeERdXX0tOpAQoHlxK6P5spw bp4io4gI6eF4nso5pEtLa220JAq5rNMQ/+KEWaFTlyDo+VveVm5i9XsnheG5WGx17ZaJOVESSiky2l hFpPHj8tPYI6pLqHVsXYbtUUo84+G9u1ztQQ9ZlwAlXD/HoI41raHE5lGXzFKshbaWcf/sCGnJBspf Y= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 13:13:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e7528493b53_71f63fa9cff4ef301127ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. Some small nits, but looks reasonable to me. > @@ -569,8 +578,9 @@ that is being cancelled (see {{frame-push-promise}}). If the client receives a CANCEL_PUSH frame, that frame might identify a Push ID There's a reference to a 32 bit Push ID three lines above this one. I think that needs to be updated as well? > @@ -966,6 +976,13 @@ applicable to both protocols at once. These departures are noted in this section. +## Streams {#h2-streams} + +HTTP/QUIC permits use of a larger number of streams (2^62-1) then HTTP/2. The +considerations about exhaustion of stream identifier space apply, though the +space is significantly larger such that it is likely that other limits in QUIC +are reached first, such asthe limit on the connection flow control window. asthe -> as the > @@ -701,9 +708,9 @@ server to client, as in HTTP/2. The PUSH_PROMISE frame defines no flags. The payload consists of: Push ID: -: A 32-bit identifier for the server push request. A push ID is used in push - stream header ({{server-push}}), CANCEL_PUSH frames ({{frame-cancel-push}}), - and PRIORITY frames ({{frame-priority}}). +: A variable-length integer that identifies the server push request. A push ID It'd be nice if we didn't have to call it a variable length integer everywhere. The encoding is variable length, but I think of the integer being encoded as having a fixed length of 62 bits. I'm not sure it's better to say a 62 bit integer or not. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/888#pullrequestreview-70199963 ----==_mimepart_59e7528493b53_71f63fa9cff4ef301127ae Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett commented on this pull request.

Some small nits, but looks reasonable to me.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -569,8 +578,9 @@ that is being cancelled (see {{frame-push-promise}}).
 If the client receives a CANCEL_PUSH frame, that frame might identify a Push ID

There's a reference to a 32 bit Push ID three lines above this one. I think that needs to be updated as well?

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -966,6 +976,13 @@ applicable to both protocols at once.
 
 These departures are noted in this section.
 
+## Streams {#h2-streams}
+
+HTTP/QUIC permits use of a larger number of streams (2^62-1) then HTTP/2.  The
+considerations about exhaustion of stream identifier space apply, though the
+space is significantly larger such that it is likely that other limits in QUIC
+are reached first, such asthe limit on the connection flow control window.

asthe -> as the

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -701,9 +708,9 @@ server to client, as in HTTP/2.  The PUSH_PROMISE frame defines no flags.
 The payload consists of:
 
 Push ID:
-: A 32-bit identifier for the server push request.  A push ID is used in push
-  stream header ({{server-push}}), CANCEL_PUSH frames ({{frame-cancel-push}}),
-  and PRIORITY frames ({{frame-priority}}).
+: A variable-length integer that identifies the server push request.  A push ID

It'd be nice if we didn't have to call it a variable length integer everywhere. The encoding is variable length, but I think of the integer being encoded as having a fixed length of 62 bits. I'm not sure it's better to say a 62 bit integer or not.

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It all looks good to me. I am fine with not adding language about connection ID until the integer/byte string issue is resolved; however, I'd like a note in Section 5.2.1 when it is resolved.

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The description of the stateless reset packet in the transport draft is somewhat inconsistent:

 0                   1                   2                   3
 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|0|C|K|  00001  |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                                                               |
+                     [Connection ID (64)]                      +
|                                                               |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                     Packet Number (8/16/32)                   |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

On one hand, the first octet specifies type 0x01, which corresponds to a 1 octet encoding of the Packet Number. On the other hand, the packet number encoding specifies potential values of 1, 2, or 4 bytes.

Is it allowed to use type 0x02 or 0x03 when sending packet numbers of length 2 or 4 bytes?

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This PR omits two very important things: > > 1. > > It doesn't actually say what a unidirectional stream *is*. > > =E2=80=8BDoh.=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8B I'm not awesome at spec language. I tried to define this implicit= ly by saying that " =E2=80=8B"=E2=80=8B Unidirectional streams created by the peer are =E2=80=8B =E2=80=8B immediately half-closed (local) to the receiver and are subsequently treated =E2=80=8B =E2=80=8B identically to a half-closed bidirectional stream. =E2=80=8B"=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8B But that's probably not terribly useful. Have a suggestion on test? > > 1. > 2. > > It doesn't say anything about stream usage in HTTP. > > As we discussed on the editor's call today, we are going to merge this, > then fix it. I'll prioritize fixing the first issue though. > =E2=80=8BAre you planning to merge this as is, or shall I address some of t= he other feedback (the table, for example).=E2=80=8B > Given the HTTP usage, I'm going to push harder for a separation of the > type bits, because that will make the HTTP usage of the identifiers easier > (it has implicit type identification). That will have to wait until #877 > resolves. That also > needs some HTTP text. > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you were mentioned. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/872#issuecomment-337746754= ----==_mimepart_59e7d6253fdd3_73413f8bdac5cf381019ee Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Martin Thomson <notifications@github.co= m>
wrote:

> So that I don't forget this... This PR omits two very important th= ings:
>
> 1.
>
> It doesn't actually say what a unidirectional stream *is*.
>
> =E2=80=8BDoh.=E2=80=8B
=E2=80=8B I'm not awesome at spec language. I tried to define this impl= icitly by
saying that "

=E2=80=8B"=E2=80=8B
Unidirectional streams created by the peer are
=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8B
immediately half-closed (local) to the receiver and are subsequently treate= d
=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8B
identically to a half-closed bidirectional stream.
=E2=80=8B"=E2=80=8B
=E2=80=8B

But that's probably not terribly useful. Have a suggestion on test?

>
> 1.
> 2.
>
> It doesn't say anything about stream usage in HTTP.
>
> As we discussed on the editor's call today, we are going to merge = this,
> then fix it. I'll prioritize fixing the first issue though.
>

=E2=80=8BAre you planning to merge this as is, or shall I address some of t= he other
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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -569,8 +578,9 @@ that is being cancelled (see {{frame-push-promise}}).
 If the client receives a CANCEL_PUSH frame, that frame might identify a Push ID

Actually, there were two, thanks.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -701,9 +708,9 @@ server to client, as in HTTP/2.  The PUSH_PROMISE frame defines no flags.
 The payload consists of:
 
 Push ID:
-: A 32-bit identifier for the server push request.  A push ID is used in push
-  stream header ({{server-push}}), CANCEL_PUSH frames ({{frame-cancel-push}}),
-  and PRIORITY frames ({{frame-priority}}).
+: A variable-length integer that identifies the server push request.  A push ID

I think that this is OK. XXX-bit and variable-length occupy the same mental space and the later is more correct. Substitute 62-bit if that works for you, but I don't want to have to explain that 62-bit means the variable-length encoding.

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Merged #884.

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I agree, we need to make sure that it is perfectly clear.

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Closes #889.

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  • Remove confusion about stateless reset packet type

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Hi Ryan, maybe you could provide feedback on #885. If we can't agree on that, then maybe we need to defer the change until we do agree.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Streams can be created either by the client or the server, can concurrently send
+Either type of stream can be created by either endpoint, can concurrently send
 data interleaved with other streams, and can be cancelled.

Not entirely clear which endpoint can cancel.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Stream ID 0 (0x0) is reserved for the cryptographic handshake.  Stream 0 MUST
-NOT be used for application data, and is the first client-initiated stream.
+Stream ID 0 (0x0) is a client-initiated, bidirectional stream that is used for
+the cryptographic handshake.  Stream 0 MUST NOT be used for application data.

handshake and subsequent key exchanges?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2706,6 +2739,7 @@ shown in the following figure and described below.
                                  v
                  recv FIN/  +--------+    send FIN/
                  recv RST   |        |    send RST
+                 recv UNI   |        |    send UNI
                   ,---------|  open  |-----------.

Isn't send and recv UNI swapped?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3141,7 +3179,8 @@ is increased.
 The final offset is the count of the number of octets that are transmitted on a
 stream.  For a stream that is reset, the final offset is carried explicitly in
 the RST_STREAM frame.  Otherwise, the final offset is the offset of the end of
-the data carried in STREAM frame marked with a FIN flag.
+the data carried in STREAM frame marked with a FIN flag, or 0 in the case of
+incoming unidirectional streams.

in the STREAM?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2706,6 +2739,7 @@ shown in the following figure and described below.
                                  v
                  recv FIN/  +--------+    send FIN/
                  recv RST   |        |    send RST
+                 recv UNI   |        |    send UNI
                   ,---------|  open  |-----------.

Honestly, I didn't check (the state machine is on borrowed time right now), but you are right.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Streams can be created either by the client or the server, can concurrently send
+Either type of stream can be created by either endpoint, can concurrently send
 data interleaved with other streams, and can be cancelled.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Stream ID 0 (0x0) is reserved for the cryptographic handshake.  Stream 0 MUST
-NOT be used for application data, and is the first client-initiated stream.
+Stream ID 0 (0x0) is a client-initiated, bidirectional stream that is used for
+the cryptographic handshake.  Stream 0 MUST NOT be used for application data.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3141,7 +3179,8 @@ is increased.
 The final offset is the count of the number of octets that are transmitted on a
 stream.  For a stream that is reset, the final offset is carried explicitly in
 the RST_STREAM frame.  Otherwise, the final offset is the offset of the end of
-the data carried in STREAM frame marked with a FIN flag.
+the data carried in STREAM frame marked with a FIN flag, or 0 in the case of
+incoming unidirectional streams.

Detail, but the RST_STREAM just above is referenced as the RST_STREAM - is that intentional?

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -569,8 +578,9 @@ that is being cancelled (see {{frame-push-promise}}).
 If the client receives a CANCEL_PUSH frame, that frame might identify a Push ID

Or three; I missed your example, but fixed two others...

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I believe that we fixed this with the change to encryption for all packets.

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This should have been closed by #724 (but then GitHub doesn't do that if the "closes" clause was added after the PR was created).

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Closed #523.

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Closes #608.

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Commit Summary

  • Allow handshake errors to be reported with CONNECTION_CLOSE

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Maybe I'm too much of a TCP guy, but I had implicitly assumed that packet numbers were like TCP sequence numbers and operated on with modular arithmetic? Any reason this is not a good idea?

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With #721, I believe that we have the ground work in place. It's not perfect, but we should use new issues to discuss any additional changes. (There are already a couple of open issues.)

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----==_mimepart_59e85c84a0ede_17483fc530a24f383420d3-- From nobody Thu Oct 19 01:06:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C95E13470D for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 01:06:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.474 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.474 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j9hQUDSQnt26 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 01:06:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D1B81321F5 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 01:04:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=2YrRyakqIDcxvK70ymEXWG7pIQM=; b=RmP/ifzkoyRkI4DZ +w6jIY/m+kigo/miW0u/Ala5jwIIFk5cXRiFZp0OF4QjEH4phuxtgn99HjX3vHer 9nNe517DQ07nSigu6kU4MyweNz8EIGbrJylol5/GIFTNKpfOThzkXlsQnaS4LVAE 18Na3ffrFkSEoEOb8QGq6pG94pQ= Received: by filter1084p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1084p1mdw1-28161-59E85C86-2 2017-10-19 08:04:22.449422006 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id Fl7xi334QJeEHcmXjGdTtQ for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 08:04:22.249 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 08:04:22 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Silent close (#61) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e85c8623e7f_17463fc530a24f38266595"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1M2nUg19w5bP4KLxXkd31fWeCiu1MqtwesmY e2+Z0DQHSEQcZXSirq80jcGeqxVCS4n1iZHIq/OPLDXFK0wWlp5MxsjbMtkZerU+HcQaJBILGSIz/s ZQIJdFQOLxDzaNefhVNCEHIvE8ohcLQKpjS4ypprC7uFWpcO01J2s1RhxHRjN350hzEMFFmFvdd58H 4= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 08:06:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e85c8623e7f_17463fc530a24f38266595 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #61. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/61#event-1300562201 ----==_mimepart_59e85c8623e7f_17463fc530a24f38266595 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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The packet number is input to the AEAD nonce. If you wrap around, you u= se the same nonce twice. That's basically fatal for the ciphers we use. W= e could allow a wrap around, maintain a counter on each wrap around and con= catenate the two, but these are really big numbers and maybe it's not worth= it. You would also need to rekey many times with some ciphers (AES) or th= e cipher essentially wears out.

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The editors draft on stateless reset states that

7.9.4. Stateless Reset: ... The Packet Number field is set to a randomized value.

This may already have been discussed as I have not followed the stateless reset discussion closely, but here is my concern regardless:

The concern is that any unqualified peer can elicit stateless reset packets in order to get more entropi information about the PRNG being used to generate random packet numbers. If this PRNG is also being used for key material and the PRNG is not fully protected against such attacks, it might be possible to guess future keys for an adversary with sufficient resources.

There are other places in QUIC where random numbers are exposed, but stateless reset may be particularly easy to trigger in high volumes. A stateless reset might also be easier to trigger without attracting unwanted attention compared to proper connection establishment.

What is the motivation behind adding a random packet number ?

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You could also consider a packet number wrap to be a rekeying event. Once you have new keys the AEAD nonce concern is gone.

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Thanks for updating the ack section, some editorial suggestions. > : Contains one or more blocks of packet numbers which have been successfully received, see {{ack-block-section}}. ### ACK Block Section {#ack-block-section} -The ACK Block Section contains between one and 256 blocks of packet numbers -which have been successfully received. If the Num Blocks field is absent, only -the First ACK Block length is present in this section. Otherwise, the Num Blocks -field indicates how many additional blocks follow the First ACK Block Length -field. +The ACK Block Section consists of alternating ACK Blocks and Gaps. A First Ack +Block is followed by a variable number of alternating Gap and Additional ACK +Blocks. The number of Additional ACK Blocks and Gaps is determined by the ACK I'd always say "Gaps and Blocks" instead of "Blocks and Gaps" since that's the order in the previous sentence. > : Contains one or more blocks of packet numbers which have been successfully received, see {{ack-block-section}}. ### ACK Block Section {#ack-block-section} -The ACK Block Section contains between one and 256 blocks of packet numbers -which have been successfully received. If the Num Blocks field is absent, only -the First ACK Block length is present in this section. Otherwise, the Num Blocks -field indicates how many additional blocks follow the First ACK Block Length -field. +The ACK Block Section consists of alternating ACK Blocks and Gaps. A First Ack I'd note that they're in descending order immediately, since it's been a source of confusion. ie: "The ACK Block Section consists of alternating ACK Blocks and Gaps in descending packet number order." > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ~~~ {: #ack-block-format title="ACK Block Section"} -The fields in the ACK Block Section are: +Each ACK Block acknowledges a contiguous range of packets by indicating the +number of packets that acknowledged preceding the largest packet number in that Remove "that" before acknowledged. > -: An unsigned packet number delta that indicates the number of contiguous - packets being acknowledged starting after the end of the previous gap. - Repeated "Num Blocks" times. +: A variable-length indicating the number of contiguous packets preceding the variable-length integer? > -#### Time Format +: A non-zero, variable-length integer indicating specifying the number of Zero is ok now, correct? And I think the subsequent text needs to be updated to match the above sentence: "The number of packets in the gap is one higher than the encoded value of the Gap Field." > -explicit bits of mantissa and 5 bits of explicit exponent, specifying time in -microseconds. The bit format is loosely modeled after IEEE 754. For example, 1 -microsecond is represented as 0x1, which has an exponent of zero, presented in -the 5 high order bits, and mantissa of 1, presented in the 11 low order bits. -When the explicit exponent is greater than zero, an implicit high-order 12th bit -of 1 is assumed in the mantissa. For example, a floating value of 0x800 has an -explicit exponent of 1, as well as an explicit mantissa of 0, but then has an -effective mantissa of 4096 (12th bit is assumed to be 1). Additionally, the -actual exponent is one-less than the explicit exponent, and the value represents -4096 microseconds. Any values larger than the representable range are clamped -to 0xFFFF. +: A variable-length integer indicating the number of contiguous acknowledged + packets preceding the largest packet number, as determined by the + preceding Gap. + +If the repeated Gap and ACK Block fields do not end precisely at the end of I don't think this paragraph is true, so should be removed? > Offset: -: A variable-sized unsigned number specifying the byte offset in the stream for - the data in this STREAM frame. When the offset length is 0, the offset is 0. - The first byte in the stream has an offset of 0. The largest offset delivered - on a stream - the sum of the re-constructed offset and data length - MUST be - less than 2^64. +: A variable-sized integer specifying the byte offset in the stream for the data You use variable-length elsewhere -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

Thanks for updating the ack section, some editorial suggestions.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 : Contains one or more blocks of packet numbers which have been successfully
   received, see {{ack-block-section}}.
 
 
 ### ACK Block Section {#ack-block-section}
 
-The ACK Block Section contains between one and 256 blocks of packet numbers
-which have been successfully received. If the Num Blocks field is absent, only
-the First ACK Block length is present in this section. Otherwise, the Num Blocks
-field indicates how many additional blocks follow the First ACK Block Length
-field.
+The ACK Block Section consists of alternating ACK Blocks and Gaps.  A First Ack
+Block is followed by a variable number of alternating Gap and Additional ACK
+Blocks.  The number of Additional ACK Blocks and Gaps is determined by the ACK

I'd always say "Gaps and Blocks" instead of "Blocks and Gaps" since that's the order in the previous sentence.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 : Contains one or more blocks of packet numbers which have been successfully
   received, see {{ack-block-section}}.
 
 
 ### ACK Block Section {#ack-block-section}
 
-The ACK Block Section contains between one and 256 blocks of packet numbers
-which have been successfully received. If the Num Blocks field is absent, only
-the First ACK Block length is present in this section. Otherwise, the Num Blocks
-field indicates how many additional blocks follow the First ACK Block Length
-field.
+The ACK Block Section consists of alternating ACK Blocks and Gaps.  A First Ack

I'd note that they're in descending order immediately, since it's been a source of confusion. ie: "The ACK Block Section consists of alternating ACK Blocks and Gaps in descending packet number order."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 ~~~
 {: #ack-block-format title="ACK Block Section"}
 
-The fields in the ACK Block Section are:
+Each ACK Block acknowledges a contiguous range of packets by indicating the
+number of packets that acknowledged preceding the largest packet number in that

Remove "that" before acknowledged.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: An unsigned packet number delta that indicates the number of contiguous
-  packets being acknowledged starting after the end of the previous gap.
-  Repeated "Num Blocks" times.
+: A variable-length indicating the number of contiguous packets preceding the

variable-length integer?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-#### Time Format
+: A non-zero, variable-length integer indicating specifying the number of

Zero is ok now, correct? And I think the subsequent text needs to be updated to match the above sentence: "The number of packets in the gap is one higher than the encoded value of the Gap Field."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -explicit bits of mantissa and 5 bits of explicit exponent, specifying time in
-microseconds.  The bit format is loosely modeled after IEEE 754.  For example, 1
-microsecond is represented as 0x1, which has an exponent of zero, presented in
-the 5 high order bits, and mantissa of 1, presented in the 11 low order bits.
-When the explicit exponent is greater than zero, an implicit high-order 12th bit
-of 1 is assumed in the mantissa.  For example, a floating value of 0x800 has an
-explicit exponent of 1, as well as an explicit mantissa of 0, but then has an
-effective mantissa of 4096 (12th bit is assumed to be 1).  Additionally, the
-actual exponent is one-less than the explicit exponent, and the value represents
-4096 microseconds.  Any values larger than the representable range are clamped
-to 0xFFFF.
+: A variable-length integer indicating the number of contiguous acknowledged
+  packets preceding the largest packet number, as determined by the
+  preceding Gap.
+
+If the repeated Gap and ACK Block fields do not end precisely at the end of

I don't think this paragraph is true, so should be removed?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 Offset:
 
-: A variable-sized unsigned number specifying the byte offset in the stream for
-  the data in this STREAM frame.  When the offset length is 0, the offset is 0.
-  The first byte in the stream has an offset of 0.  The largest offset delivered
-  on a stream - the sum of the re-constructed offset and data length - MUST be
-  less than 2^64.
+: A variable-sized integer specifying the byte offset in the stream for the data

You use variable-length elsewhere

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----==_mimepart_59e8a6949a3b1_9933fc7bbe7af28190475-- From nobody Thu Oct 19 07:17:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD34B1320D9 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 07:17:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lh1h-lSWYX7b for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 07:17:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A553126D0C for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 07:17:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=CaRCXOeh+40uMSY6oIdQcqp8850=; b=hfDHLSy1ItlKmnmp 9JxH9vgXZHiX5P/i+uzhHks71Af6KMYplRq6U+ChcJtamajg/jC6EA80lO6qyT58 64pUnbUc5jvdPzXWRbPCF6aNPMHX84MosjiQpwfMwbSKvgtMfXyKtu1t0tunCSm1 lchMWD9ymmOD2eiEBhGz5LL6ZeI= Received: by filter0162p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0162p1iad2-27310-59E8B411-37 2017-10-19 14:17:53.342470268 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0006p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 1qvxxMFpSxuqCyRHkjfPRQ for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 14:17:53.318 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 14:17:53 +0000 (UTC) From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rename and consolidate packet types (#847) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e8b41134180_4ad23fc10f4aef3826768"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2XN3ELgROryvAMfDpubgBx84PNdaq56jwIkH ihlg1uA8JPKihxeR9d/4Cvn5q6b7qzIK0Jc8cKjN9GVQFc/7zaUw0GqQXGcHNfPtK/i4Gzm5PcSrgA t/6qaoBpibcDVm1a6NbxKPMg4SBQDU5YvzGLk6+QQzShpIqDV14f/HP4AOFB3eYZuyxIAJWUrGRZ7P s= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 14:17:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e8b41134180_4ad23fc10f4aef3826768 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think this also closes #822 Is there any reason not to merge this, since I thought we already had? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/847#issuecomment-337922315 ----==_mimepart_59e8b41134180_4ad23fc10f4aef3826768 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think this also closes #822

Is there any reason not to merge this, since I thought we already had?

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Nice. LGTM

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@nibanks approved this pull request.

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To be more specific - AES-GCM should only use the same key for at most 2= ^32-2 nonces, i.e. packet numbers and in praxis less than that due to some = possible attacks on GCM tags (the hash is computed on plain text for maxium= parallelization, but that apparently has a cost in security).

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The server's first flight includes the ServerHello, which has a = random value. How is this easier to elicit?

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No, it's not. It's up to the implementation.

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"To be more specific - AES-GCM should only use the same key for at most = 2^32-2 nonces, i.e. packet numbers and in praxis less than that due to some= possible attacks on GCM tags (the hash is computed on plain text for maxim= um parallellization, but that apparently has a cost in security)."

The limit we converged on for TLS is: 2^{24.5}
https://tlswg.github.io/tls13-spec/draft-ietf-tls-tls13.h= tml#limits-on-key-usage

You can find the reference that led us to that here:
http://www.isg= .rhul.ac.uk/~kp/TLS-AEbounds.pdf

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I'm a bit torn on this - I belive I have previously claimed that QUIC ought to be able to trust the PRNG, but then I'm not sure that is a safe thing to do.

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@ekr thank= s for links. FWIW I thinks those limits on key usage in the TLS spec ought = to be a MUST, not a SHOULD. Maybe 2^24.5 is conservative, but there is a po= int where GCM it falls apart more so than some ciphers. (GCM is fine, but o= nly when respect its limits).

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= ----==_mimepart_59e8d2df6bce4_280bf3f97f2dc0f2c182354-- From nobody Thu Oct 19 09:42:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D27B132D54 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 09:42:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hkv-onkU7IoC for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 09:42:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A68E5132D96 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 09:42:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=P3PzBE8gSGIftl5xA36Rc40+0Ng=; b=tuGau6IQTJFHJYBe 7pC2JsRpctdxDDcF77sIDGEcEP7OtekY121ri7ISZBA71r8uCbquKRlwGqjKgcKp D5vgcFo+WIUhd8cyBfpb5FaClcdppF14cowo7Q2D+1pkbvozm8wCSYROWMHIQ8eg RjwGXvRwbpT1fdr5N7D9BWHhN+Y= Received: by filter0986p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0986p1mdw1-32455-59E8D5EE-4A 2017-10-19 16:42:22.758678203 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id eSlBvhuSQj6Q1nhR3QdBmg for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 16:42:22.583 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 16:42:22 +0000 (UTC) From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Including Connection ID in cleartext key derivation (#893) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e8d5ee7b0d8_79203f98d37faf341137dd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0JNmqeFJWp+5UNhYObYOsdZvxz4h0n/hNl1C dzqGIiVvXe1AHN3yRjnXmToBVzTnOoo82w1pxMXssWK+LV9OoB2QtCIkmGL2aAxszTmQAb+Wk7JeE8 kX0UYlVClc80ka8KatzSiwq3+hG9Z1K/3ii0ogIYDOynXHQrWgoa+dk01/8ROEzpgfbfOA9kcK1AoP c= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 16:42:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e8d5ee7b0d8_79203f98d37faf341137dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I apologize for not catching PR#844, but I think including the connection ID in the cleartext key derivation creates some minor problems for not much benefit. 1) I suppose forcing you to derive a different key for each apparently valid CLIENT_INITIAL increases the expense of middleboxes decrypting these packets. However, it also increases the expense for end servers, trusted proxies, etc. with no real increase in security or ossification-resistance. 2) It is possible for implementers to screw up host/network order for connection ID, which will create debug-resistant crypto mismatches. 3) Most importantly, I have to store an additional crypto context in my QUIC PCB. Once I've generated 1-RTT keys, there is an interval where I must prepare to receive three different keys: Cleartext, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT, If I can store the cleartext key on a system-wide per-version basis, then I can use the two spots I need for key renegotiation anyway. I readily concede that none of these points are showstoppers, but I would like someone to make the case for this added complexity. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/893 ----==_mimepart_59e8d5ee7b0d8_79203f98d37faf341137dd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I apologize for not catching PR#844, but I think including the connection ID in the cleartext key derivation creates some minor problems for not much benefit.

  1. I suppose forcing you to derive a different key for each apparently valid CLIENT_INITIAL increases the expense of middleboxes decrypting these packets. However, it also increases the expense for end servers, trusted proxies, etc. with no real increase in security or ossification-resistance.

  2. It is possible for implementers to screw up host/network order for connection ID, which will create debug-resistant crypto mismatches.

  3. Most importantly, I have to store an additional crypto context in my QUIC PCB. Once I've generated 1-RTT keys, there is an interval where I must prepare to receive three different keys: Cleartext, 0-RTT, and 1-RTT, If I can store the cleartext key on a system-wide per-version basis, then I can use the two spots I need for key renegotiation anyway.

I readily concede that none of these points are showstoppers, but I would like someone to make the case for this added complexity.

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If we're revisiting stream numbering I'll make a plea to release strea= m id 0 from being the crypto stream and instead make it an invalid stream= id. It's a tad annoying that sometimes stream_id=3D0 means crypto stream= (in a STREAM frame) and sometimes it mean the whole connection (MAX_STRE= AM_DATA). So if we made the crypto stream 1, then we'd be able to keep th= e current even/odd ness and eliminate the minor wart around stream_id 0.<= /p>

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= ----==_mimepart_59e8d62fec4f0_5b163fc571396f2c17165c-- From nobody Thu Oct 19 09:47:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC5BE132D54 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 09:47:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N7vnCwzL_U6P for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 09:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9BC19132CE7 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 09:47:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=yqWPOsbEmshFHVRJpGIbVJE3iJk=; b=WKpCFuDq5+6hoYLv ZPCyWB7mrCyRAuAJ4CFAAt4GK1sA1cAzH8be19zZmigXyFhX6bA/UxKULq5+zDN/ MTEagK4CE9/yyFWr6uASDczRbJx2UD0CIERD2QhTf0LPNMfWr/QGxtqUuIz4tig8 VMZTHAdlGfXbW0BW1HHPdHQKI/g= Received: by filter0535p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0535p1mdw1-18732-59E8D734-39 2017-10-19 16:47:48.928891934 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id KyIOUgFzTCa5rjyKX1qlPg for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 16:47:48.775 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 16:47:49 +0000 (UTC) From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Unidirectional and bidirectional streams (#885) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e8d7349cdd4_666b3fc27ea46f3417772"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak31rx4dm4gwmqu00zZQajFxSzkEe0YUmSkPAy 46VBTO3r6hBZe/QQGoDdq69gNGxmygnG27olHYnzbK+39CQgY+0//dBEc60Y7g+KY1+6Cdk6Kr+/J2 lZFlCHh+TAas4i1UtOvpsBOYSknLsANEDV3KWVXpKV9waFN6BX4rYgC8m+L4R18ZGSiiYeXI+Bu2r5 s= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 16:47:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e8d7349cdd4_666b3fc27ea46f3417772 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @RyanAtGoogle In general I prefer 0 to be invalid and as such I am in line with your thinking. However, I did find crypto 0 to be helpful because any stream that is not crypto is handled via normal life time requirements whereas the crypto stream is sent to dedicated handlers. Unlike largest received packet number, the crypto stream always exists and any inbound stream will either be stream 0, or something to be validated against stream limits etc. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/885#issuecomment-337968411 ----==_mimepart_59e8d7349cdd4_666b3fc27ea46f3417772 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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In response to (3) above, I'd say each QUIC connection context would lik= ely still hold the cleartext key, even if connection ID wasn't an input. Yo= u can't assume (at least client side) any individual connections have any s= hared state with any other connections. For instance, in WinQuic, they do n= ot have any shared state.

For (2), yes this can be an initial minor debug headache, but interop te= sting in general will always have these headaches, IMO.

As for (1) I believe making the cleartext encrypted based on the Client'= s initial connection ID does solve some problems around a particular scenar= io that @huit= ema brought up related to immediately creating a new connection after a= previous one was cancelled. It allows for you to ignore received handshake= packets from the initial connection. So it does have some value, just not = necessarily security.

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e92ebe1d3e2_5e6a3fe2225fbc2c154795"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 23:01:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e92ebe1d3e2_5e6a3fe2225fbc2c154795 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/single-cleartext Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: fc31b7ea51df8a94de6a9b019a6b9ce7f86f3faa https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fc31b7ea51df8a94de6a9b019a6b9ce7f86f3faa Author: EKR Date: 2017-09-28 (Thu, 28 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- A tiny nit: the ClientHello is not subject to MAX_STREAM_DATA. Commit: 617dc338b317d217441aeac48756bd4a1bc11925 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/617dc338b317d217441aeac48756bd4a1bc11925 Author: EKR Date: 2017-09-28 (Thu, 28 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Nits from Jana Commit: 8cf389da6e5ccc118abcfb8d714ee101c752fdb0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8cf389da6e5ccc118abcfb8d714ee101c752fdb0 Author: EKR Date: 2017-09-29 (Fri, 29 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Jana's comments plus bonus editorial fix Commit: da18bae6bfb1cc908685aba251e46f03caf60877 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/da18bae6bfb1cc908685aba251e46f03caf60877 Author: Igor Lubashev Date: 2017-09-29 (Fri, 29 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Clarify Connection ID text Commit: 9b71bae4c3ee0153715b0b9a5a5b3eddc32554d2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9b71bae4c3ee0153715b0b9a5a5b3eddc32554d2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-03 (Tue, 03 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove packet number re-randomization requirement I don't believe that anyone actually implemented this, and it is unnecessary. Closes #823. Commit: 08f5f3edb75e60b8519164bcbf45cfb3ccf8656c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/08f5f3edb75e60b8519164bcbf45cfb3ccf8656c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-10 (Tue, 10 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove 1-RTT protected long header types Closes #848. Commit: 4d997948698029427bf5f67f4fe83206db612bbf https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4d997948698029427bf5f67f4fe83206db612bbf Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-11 (Wed, 11 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reflow Commit: cbe9dbd043d0dc94eed1a12d89f54a538cc5092c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cbe9dbd043d0dc94eed1a12d89f54a538cc5092c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-11 (Wed, 11 Oct 2017) Changed paths: A .circleci/config.yml M CONTRIBUTING.md M Makefile R circle.yml M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into stream_0_flow_control_nit Commit: cd25f2ad734eae4b3712e66440b241f035f98f66 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cd25f2ad734eae4b3712e66440b241f035f98f66 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-11 (Wed, 11 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reword to narrow increment scope Commit: 0ab0907410d5cb1ee401cdba6628d10efe81e6e8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0ab0907410d5cb1ee401cdba6628d10efe81e6e8 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-11 (Wed, 11 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove application close As agreed, this moves the graceful shutdown under the banner of an immediate close. That is, the application protocol negotiates a shutdown. Once the agreed state has been reached, endpoints send APPLICATION_CLOSE and we are done. Closes #854. Commit: fd567148415328812df3153a60cfc965cadceefb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fd567148415328812df3153a60cfc965cadceefb Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-11 (Wed, 11 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #803 from ekr/stream_0_flow_control_nit A tiny nit: the ClientHello is not subject to MAX_STREAM_DATA. Commit: 8cf88aad4f84cbaac14cb272ea8a0f8f878ea435 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8cf88aad4f84cbaac14cb272ea8a0f8f878ea435 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2017-10-11 (Wed, 11 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Adds substantive descriptions of loss detection mechanisms (#801) * Added text to overview * TLP text added * More changes * finished RTO and HTO text * Ian's comments * lucas comment * trailing whitespaces Commit: 0fa5b517adfd7023b525ff97a9cdd2630af22d8c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0fa5b517adfd7023b525ff97a9cdd2630af22d8c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-12 (Thu, 12 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Use RFC 8126 for IANA considerations Commit: 4912c2086954b57f5f494dfe4ccbfb42774a0e2b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4912c2086954b57f5f494dfe4ccbfb42774a0e2b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-12 (Thu, 12 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update PMTUD references RFC 1981 was obsoleted by RFC 8201. Commit: 101a4cadafc994ba17aefe24445cba3c2ad81a19 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/101a4cadafc994ba17aefe24445cba3c2ad81a19 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-12 (Thu, 12 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Uppercase SHOULD not Commit: 2ecc0ff6110c063c2be461e4c2eb41dcf87895a1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2ecc0ff6110c063c2be461e4c2eb41dcf87895a1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-12 (Thu, 12 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M Makefile M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Shorten line (#861) * Fix linting rule for figures * Shorten line by a few characters Commit: 105193d281e2f74e8b078c4e0938678684c2962f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/105193d281e2f74e8b078c4e0938678684c2962f Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-10-12 (Thu, 12 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- STOPPING is sent by transport not application Commit: 82eefdef4a7da22bb20bedab5a672e2f2fe86320 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/82eefdef4a7da22bb20bedab5a672e2f2fe86320 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-12 (Thu, 12 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Move stateless reset token to the end (#842) * Move stateless reset token to the end This makes the location of the token fixed with respect to the end of packets, which makes it easier to find. It also expands the conditions for checking the token, which now include cases where packets appear to be duplicated. Closes #820. * Define the packet type more precisely * Define what termination means for stateless reset * Larger packet number encodings make identification easier * Clients can dump state on stateless reset * Corrections suggested by @ianswett Commit: 9182b4034eabbc4a2e7de3e0f43f197bc4e61ec4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9182b4034eabbc4a2e7de3e0f43f197bc4e61ec4 Author: EKR Date: 2017-10-12 (Thu, 12 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- SHA-1 is 20 bytes. Fixes #865 Commit: fbc18c86c85bc8d77e873e9caecfa98252a460c9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fbc18c86c85bc8d77e873e9caecfa98252a460c9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- The fixed salt is 20 octets Commit: 2fc0029c137f4522aa1085f3b215b99eabb399e5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2fc0029c137f4522aa1085f3b215b99eabb399e5 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #866 from ekr/sha1_is_20_bytes SHA-1 is 20 bytes. Fixes #865 Commit: 7af651dd903d94bebfe5c7bf52124ec9f6aa954f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7af651dd903d94bebfe5c7bf52124ec9f6aa954f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #863 from quicwg/stopping STOPPING is sent by transport not application Commit: 0bf810aef744e0f5067fad7c3020dcd0d6a1ea24 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0bf810aef744e0f5067fad7c3020dcd0d6a1ea24 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-12 (Thu, 12 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Make error codes smaller (#851) * Make error codes smaller * Correct diagram and hyphens Commit: 2e4d9bcc51951d719d6e99f3c346b1dae388f52e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2e4d9bcc51951d719d6e99f3c346b1dae388f52e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- The application protocol negotiates Commit: 11d77c0e3339401553a258fa57592fb2bd31bd11 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/11d77c0e3339401553a258fa57592fb2bd31bd11 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #855 from quicwg/remove-app-close Remove application close Commit: 359b528a00a03c8cb5a3c3726cbe2488e7ba5dbb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/359b528a00a03c8cb5a3c3726cbe2488e7ba5dbb Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #860 from quicwg/pmtu-8201 Update PMTUD references Commit: 8b05969bc612560b7a81f34b0331e1a4998999ce https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8b05969bc612560b7a81f34b0331e1a4998999ce Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'iana-8126' Commit: 4fa1fcf62e0ed22150edaa6fabade891b492640f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4fa1fcf62e0ed22150edaa6fabade891b492640f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-12 (Thu, 12 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Define requirements for handling packets (#724) * Define requirements for handling packets We never really said how to handle incoming packets. This adds a section on that. This was originally motivated by #570, where the rules for what to generate a Version Negotiation packet for were a little unclear. Now though, this is a far more comprehensive description of what to do with a packet that is received. For #570, I've chosen to limit packet size. If the packet is too small, then this requires the server to drop the packet. In response to the potential for a future version of QUIC to define a smaller initial packet (@mikkelfj raised this point), I've included advice on what might be done to avoid having packets discarded. I realize that we don't have a patch that sets the packet size to 1200. I'm going to write that one now. This depends on that. * Review comments * Capitalize Client Initial * Expand more on the need for bufferring * Allow a stateless reset in addition to discard * Allow consumption of VN in response to 0-RTT * Add forward ref to packetization section * Jana's comments * Downgrade discard requirement to MAY prior to handshake Though I don't know why I need to care about the reason. * Remove text Commit: 6bc3a96d216e4e599df0b2089b7ef3c4040c86c3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6bc3a96d216e4e599df0b2089b7ef3c4040c86c3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-12 (Thu, 12 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove ACKs from draining period (#853) * Remove ACKs from draining period As agreed at the interim, this removes the ability to acknowledge during the draining period. An endpoint can use the APPLICATION_CLOSE/CONNECTION_CLOSE frame to exit this state early (it's a kind of ACK). Closes #852. * s/can/MAY terminate draining period early * Remove paragraph about terminating draining period early Commit: 9f06ddc030125b5d9952c88ae4d63932e4146448 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9f06ddc030125b5d9952c88ae4d63932e4146448 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-12 (Thu, 12 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Enter draining after receiving a stateless reset (#868) If a client receives a stateless reset, it makes sense for it to stick around in the draining period so that you can absorb any further stateless reset packets that might have been sent by the server. The server might have received multiple packets, so it might also generate multiple resets. Commit: ff18a21c2b81d73ac868d3772b48ef8f99f37e64 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ff18a21c2b81d73ac868d3772b48ef8f99f37e64 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M CONTRIBUTING.md M Makefile M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into pn-randomize Commit: b15cc14c9fe230fcbee6f4bc61ed54d85af0b557 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b15cc14c9fe230fcbee6f4bc61ed54d85af0b557 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #784 from igorlord/clarify_connection_id Clarify Connection ID text Commit: 611ada6bbdbb16b5431635d16a5ff48d9db1d0f7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/611ada6bbdbb16b5431635d16a5ff48d9db1d0f7 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #824 from quicwg/pn-randomize Remove packet number re-randomization requirement Commit: 21f5d8cce021a037db1b4d4dbf610cb0a4ce5725 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/21f5d8cce021a037db1b4d4dbf610cb0a4ce5725 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #857 from quicwg/remove-long-1rtt-types Remove 1-RTT protected long header types Commit: 6d0c7accbe09e67cd3ac0d48639c0dd36e4c6fc8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6d0c7accbe09e67cd3ac0d48639c0dd36e4c6fc8 Author: Patrick McManus Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Express MAX_DATA in octets rather than KB closes #873 Commit: a130b6d88fe9ac5c2cc4c1c4f121438834dfabf2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a130b6d88fe9ac5c2cc4c1c4f121438834dfabf2 Author: Patrick McManus Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- fix typo in 6d0c7accbe09e67cd3ac0d48639c0dd36e4c6fc8 Commit: a756c78fe3224558ade729be74a0ff9f576273c3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a756c78fe3224558ade729be74a0ff9f576273c3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-14 (Sat, 14 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M .circleci/config.yml Log Message: ----------- Tweak circle config Commit: 95530d91ebe965ae52d569c8f4d42acec0461929 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/95530d91ebe965ae52d569c8f4d42acec0461929 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-14 (Sat, 14 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M .circleci/config.yml Log Message: ----------- Filter on tags to see if that triggers a build Commit: 426e9ec725bf9fc83d0762e0f2d6a7c8d50218d1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/426e9ec725bf9fc83d0762e0f2d6a7c8d50218d1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-14 (Sat, 14 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #874 from mcmanus/max-data-unit Express MAX_DATA in octets rather than KB Commit: b8713266a472dfc77d6b9d7bd3fa052ba60deed6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b8713266a472dfc77d6b9d7bd3fa052ba60deed6 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-16 (Mon, 16 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- PONG frame Commit: 9b109a3ef936f690bd5608213e4911ba3c29a5d8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9b109a3ef936f690bd5608213e4911ba3c29a5d8 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-16 (Mon, 16 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Actually define the error code Commit: d37d72fab17a226d1639786ac406f637a77628f5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d37d72fab17a226d1639786ac406f637a77628f5 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-17 (Tue, 17 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Loosen UNSOLICITED_PONG requirements Commit: dd717ab3229e807bef956f0e77fda58a88b7b5a8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dd717ab3229e807bef956f0e77fda58a88b7b5a8 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-17 (Tue, 17 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #878 from quicwg/pong PONG frame Commit: d9389f05d48bebc8caf9fc0d6dafc7e8b62a1d21 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d9389f05d48bebc8caf9fc0d6dafc7e8b62a1d21 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-17 (Tue, 17 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M .gitignore Log Message: ----------- Ignore upload files Commit: ded8d4fab722c5909c97aa58e618e8da7f2d189c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ded8d4fab722c5909c97aa58e618e8da7f2d189c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-17 (Tue, 17 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Address validation for connection migration This has been much-discussed, and it's a relatively isolated change, so I did it. This modifies PING to have an optional payload and adds a PONG frame to echo the PING. An empty PING generates an ACK; a PING with a payload demands a PONG. Generating an unguessable PING is the basis of mid-connection address validation. If the PING is sent on the new path, and the PONG comes back, then the remote address is probably OK to use. I've taken the discussion in the issue into consideration here. There's a lot of potential nuance to capture in terms of how an endpoint might reduce and restore send rates, but I've done what I can to thread the gap between allowing unbounded sending along new and untested paths and allowing connections to get back to doing business. It's annoying that this makes PING and PONG so disparate. I think that we have a re-ordering of frames in our near future to correct minor infidelities like this. I didn't want to do that here and pollute this PR though. Closes #161. Commit: a0480aae3f12a5d584c932321a1201e6c13a5759 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a0480aae3f12a5d584c932321a1201e6c13a5759 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-17 (Tue, 17 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Avoid attack on address validation during connection migration The attack here is that an attacker might duplicate a legitimate packet and send that packet from an invalid address such that it arrives before the real copy. That causes the recipient to think that there was a connection migration. They will attempt to validate that address and this will fail. The connection is then closed. The fix is to cause a migration back to the original, legitimate address. For this to work, you need two things: 1. when a migration happens, abandon any validation on the old address on the expectation that it will fail 2. when a migration happens, make sure that you try to trigger packets from the old address first For the second point, I decided to mandate address validation, rather than an ordinary PING. The reason being that you have to retransmit the packet on that path and I doubt that implementations will want to have two sets of special machinery for transmiting - and retransmitting - frames on a specific path. Maybe this is too much of a constraint on implementations, so I'd like to hear from people about whether they would prefer a more generic requirement (send any packet that demands acknowledgment would work, it doesn't even have to be the same packet every time, though the usual situation will be that the packet will be lost, so you probably don't want to send anything important). Commit: 854377925432d10f42ec617e6d24ec0122cfbf5f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/854377925432d10f42ec617e6d24ec0122cfbf5f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-17 (Tue, 17 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- More review comments Commit: 67849052344984d1e1bddf990717a48357b890be https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/67849052344984d1e1bddf990717a48357b890be Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-17 (Tue, 17 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Require new PING on loss Commit: a724bdb991bea5b4470cba4077e7f338e25baf3a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a724bdb991bea5b4470cba4077e7f338e25baf3a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-17 (Tue, 17 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Data field, not payload Commit: ca3f375a8bfceacac59ee75da527cf1941c8c7f0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ca3f375a8bfceacac59ee75da527cf1941c8c7f0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-17 (Tue, 17 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove MUST Commit: d30f411a7bd9c5f6db6f63a4f82ef5c96bd5c4ba https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d30f411a7bd9c5f6db6f63a4f82ef5c96bd5c4ba Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-17 (Tue, 17 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M .gitignore M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #732 from quicwg/proof-of-receipt Address validation for connection migration Commit: 5b8d25aabb013d59bafad4ca3978f041dc5e3c5b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5b8d25aabb013d59bafad4ca3978f041dc5e3c5b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-18 (Wed, 18 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Fix nits Remove text about no protection. Describe the value for N_MIN. Closes #883 Commit: aa85ef15a16f2a7b462160dc3da4f5dca7f1de37 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/aa85ef15a16f2a7b462160dc3da4f5dca7f1de37 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-18 (Wed, 18 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix links to issues Commit: 15aabcded3fbd05f15f3d26851d3b032916cbcd2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/15aabcded3fbd05f15f3d26851d3b032916cbcd2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-19 (Thu, 19 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #884 from quicwg/martinduke-nits Fix nits Commit: 979c46ae2a0e908916fe0d5b2ca82f9720e90498 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/979c46ae2a0e908916fe0d5b2ca82f9720e90498 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-20 (Fri, 20 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M .circleci/config.yml M .gitignore M Makefile M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into single-cleartext Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/670ede097e83...979c46ae2a0e ----==_mimepart_59e92ebe1d3e2_5e6a3fe2225fbc2c154795-- From nobody Thu Oct 19 16:01:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E411413308D for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 16:01:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2ScimNuNoZ71 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 16:01:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D263132F69 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 16:01:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=/yg+YPr+iR1XCOAlRGzWt9i3J5U=; b=eHA4pO5q2GjFseLC 5L5fd+9eCJH9Zf4aSGnyTNWQ44991GKRjW+W+PKFZbRf4iw3QofxvYExdGKYIzA8 1/EgKZlSIWFNpNuqA4Bmz1iXznrU6JQvKaTKMJXYGYmigWC5huG9i+srr7W1SlbC aZt0gjF6uwIKLj8KjfjiTYmhAdU= Received: by filter0174p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0174p1iad2-3155-59E92EC4-2 2017-10-19 23:01:24.078707164 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id uzRRYrf3S82zAoX0RU7jOg for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 23:01:24.065 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 23:01:24 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Push Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rename and consolidate packet types (#847) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e92ec3f348f_52e33f884f43af287564"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: push X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak25IRf34YkNboAvnYVf/rb8rHkueBzOuJGNWs vNX5/PC+hdSndSGTNsCZuUptVnXmqtrLoPt3nmqUuxKPtpIr3LlYfCA8dZWay9eNzRG2D3abryy1ny +/kWxKNzS+JzcvtkZMTXcmmd8rJu71NiTn5UP2KMDutXPO+LQlHA5J4YCK190lIBU10CP8FZ62dyVp w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 23:01:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e92ec3f348f_52e33f884f43af287564 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson pushed 1 commit. 979c46a Merge branch 'master' into single-cleartext -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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----==_mimepart_59e92fb2689f4_650a3f9a14558f28172593-- From nobody Thu Oct 19 16:10:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C59F1320DC for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 16:10:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gIvwj9PefTv5 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 16:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext4.iad.github.net [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FBBA13308D for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 16:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 16:09:58 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1508454598; bh=d772dASxg2paEKeNOc2msTDyDl0OK+UJQanoTp+aVjw=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=vMuiFNwBt+NZYKh9cUxu5LsKc7qfe9F8+gpdIYFJ+7rPwwUuFmfcFxTcK/QEj2V74 YJP/Ug5/InyCvuzqOd9iUQYw198ua65JjwMk47m5wh/iGrvFCT7fPng+4wbH8F40Ih fVHdv66vHWFiTSMRDjE7cb34QzGhIsWeCY65FURs= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Potential PRNG attack via Stateless Reset (#892) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e930c68f4a2_572f3fc123e0af281940b2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 23:10:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e930c68f4a2_572f3fc123e0af281940b2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The general advice regarding randomness that is exposed like this is to use a separate CSPRNG instance to the one that is used for generating private keying material. That said, I don't believe that there is much value to the paranoia around safeguarding against a bad PRNG. A PRNG that reveals its state as a result of its output being seen isn't worthy of being called CS, and the method for ensuring that this doesn't happen is pretty simple to implement. You will note also that the text does not require cryptographically secure randomness here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/892#issuecomment-338062718 ----==_mimepart_59e930c68f4a2_572f3fc123e0af281940b2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The general advice regarding randomness that is exposed like this is t= o use a separate CSPRNG instance to the one that is used for generating p= rivate keying material. That said, I don't believe that there is much va= lue to the paranoia around safeguarding against a bad PRNG. A PRNG that = reveals its state as a result of its output being seen isn't worthy of be= ing called CS, and the method for ensuring that this doesn't happen is pr= etty simple to implement.

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Ah, yes good point. Seems reasonable to me then.

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I mostly agree here. Regarding paranoia, I'm not sure you have enough:

https://www.alexhudson.com/2017/10/15/wpa2-broken-krack-now/

I guess my point is, how can we reduce the attack surface without overen= gineering. E.g. being more paranoid about offpath attacks.

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The current design has Client Initial (or just Initial) packets including a client-chosen connection ID always. Is this still a problem @igorlord?

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With the recent changes to packet protection, packets for different conn= ections are cryptographically distinct. However, that means a bunch of tri= al decryption for those packets from the server that are reordered. I thin= k that we really want to make sure that we want this feature. It might be = something we can defer.

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No. This is no longer an issue. The current design has exactly two packet types that carry client-chosen connection id: "Client Initial" and (client's) "0-RTT" packets.

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Possible solution:

  • The Clear Text packets could carry the client connection ID unencrypted= in both directions and expose the server chosen ID as a separate field to = inform the client about future 1-RTT transmissions.
  • 1-RTT encrypted packets would carry the server chosen ID in both direct= ions.
  • If there is no connection ID in the packets, multiple connections on sa= me port would not be supported. It would make the server clear text header = larger, but that is likely an acceptable cost.
  • Some implementations or configurations may require the connection ID to= always be present.
  • 0-RTT must also be considered, which I have not done here.

This would simplify connection lookup when the connection ID is always p= resent because there is no need for separate 5-tuple mappings, which requir= e extra work for high speed interfaces such as netmap and might not be poss= ible without on some non-UDP links without extra pre-header.

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I made a few changes in the process. The state where all data is available didn't turn out to be any different to the state preceding it, so I removed it. I also found it valuable to recognize that streams might be created for sending before any frames are sent (I considered doing the same for receive streams, but it complicated the transitions more than I liked, I could be convinced to add this still, it just seems less valuable). I added a section on composite states, showing how this mess all maps to stuff you already know (h2). This is still work-in-progress. I have changed the main chunk of text on states, but I haven't changed any of the rest of the document, which still talks about "idle" and all that. 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I made a few changes in the process. The state where all data is available didn't turn out to be any different to the state preceding it, so I removed it. I also found it valuable to recognize that streams might be created for sending before any frames are sent (I considered doing the same for receive streams, but it complicated the transitions more than I liked, I could be convinced to add this still, it just seems less valuable). I added a section on composite states, showing how this mess all maps to stuff you already know (h2). This is still work-in-progress. I have changed the main chunk of text on states, but I haven't changed any of the rest of the document, which still talks about "idle" and all that. I'll do that next if people are generally happy with the direction this is headed. Closes #634. ----==_mimepart_59e9b9ba16ecd_5fd23f8cc9a8fc3886248-- From nobody Fri Oct 20 01:57:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E6C213209C for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 01:56:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9S-qj0ltVtWb for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 01:56:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5080F126B6D for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 01:56:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=I8CYi4sCVdtYjujaeav+H1AdBHg=; b=h1ETCYtrRaiF81t+ R7ClFPKREdw1sJqzrz/cqrCoOXjFoKHn5LxCX7jo3uUxu9H5YiM2Y73HH5dBmxIk Q+Tlpc5pAgh/afgLC3OAzRXzROL/kBfKjOw0oiSeY+LiRIqZ8hZx96P7tiiyGCfR 9WrK2w6g3bFOo29BPRd/TVUS1jI= Received: by filter0208p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0208p1iad2-10013-59E9BA56-18 2017-10-20 08:56:54.896849679 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id VoPg-afNQmmUwgLvnlysHw for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 08:56:54.917 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 08:56:55 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] More detailed stream states (#894) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59e9ba56dadf8_11973fd1924f0f301133bc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2eIXrPVc/apOdF1dgEUyK4U5Q23l6a/cMU5/ SGY3U67oNY/tHjsh89+kdj8f1xSCsLwzBpuK9lA3fAezrWrqjQLZ0bc5xJd0hG9NkSioEXaO69CDNp +Es7wQr96f8+41gO66GWQh5MeRHCV5cYeJvDSPap6PHtqPPGl5sS0Kuhh0bPq6vqid9ke9waIQPEfv s= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 08:56:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59e9ba56dadf8_11973fd1924f0f301133bc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This takes the state machines that @MikeBishop showed at the Seattle interim and turns them into text and ASCII art. I made a few changes in the process. The state where all data is available didn't turn out to be any different to the state preceding it, so I removed it. I also found it valuable to recognize that streams might be created for sending before any frames are sent (I considered doing the same for receive streams, but it complicated the transitions more than I liked, I could be convinced to add this still, it just seems less valuable). I added a section on composite states, showing how this mess all maps to stuff you already know (h2). This is still work-in-progress. I have changed the main chunk of text on states, but I haven't changed any of the rest of the document, which still talks about "idle" and all that. I'll do that next if people are generally happy with the direction this is headed. There are probably a few minor regressions here. In particular, I need to look at what retransmissions can be received after they are no longer needed. But it's late enough already. (Note, this is currently based on master, but this assumes the bidi/uni proposal from @RyanAtGoogle or myself is taken in some form. I'll rebase once that settles.) You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/894 -- Commit Summary -- * More detailed stream states -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (398) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/894.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/894.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/894 ----==_mimepart_59e9ba56dadf8_11973fd1924f0f301133bc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This takes the state machines that @MikeBishop showed at the Seattle interim
and turns them into text and ASCII art.

I made a few changes in the process. The state where all data is available
didn't turn out to be any different to the state preceding it, so I removed it.
I also found it valuable to recognize that streams might be created for sending
before any frames are sent (I considered doing the same for receive streams,
but it complicated the transitions more than I liked, I could be convinced to
add this still, it just seems less valuable).

I added a section on composite states, showing how this mess all maps to stuff
you already know (h2).

This is still work-in-progress. I have changed the main chunk of text on
states, but I haven't changed any of the rest of the document, which still
talks about "idle" and all that. I'll do that next if people are generally
happy with the direction this is headed.

There are probably a few minor regressions here. In particular, I need to look at
what retransmissions can be received after they are no longer needed. But it's
late enough already.

(Note, this is currently based on master, but this assumes the bidi/uni proposal from @RyanAtGoogle or myself is taken in some form. I'll rebase once that settles.)

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/894

Commit Summary

  • More detailed stream states

File Changes

Patch Links:

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Another solution: don't change anything and have at most one outstanding connection setup running at a time on the same 5-tuple.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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-#### Time Format
+: A variable-length integer indicating specifying the number of contiguous

indicating specifying is redundant. Also, you alternate between using indicating and specifying in these sections. Is it worth consistently using one or the other?

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I believe there are only two overheads in creating a new temporary initi= al key for handshake:

  1. create randomness, compute AES key context, and compute the GCM hash.
  2. allocate and deallocate memory for the context space for the context.

I don't have any numbers for the cost of the key setup. I would actually= be interested in hearing what the cost is. But it is surely a lot faster t= han Diffie Helman key exchanges.

So, on the surface there might be something to be gained. But it comes a= t a cost in complexity:

A reusable initial key must be reference counted and protected against o= veruse wrt. safety limits, and indexed and cached per endpoint. The key mus= t be regoniated with the endpoint somehow and the negotation should be safe= against certain attacks. It must be verified that protection against off p= ath attacks on the handshake remains effective. The key endpoint cache will= consume space that is possibly irrelevant, for example for an endpoint the= only connects once to many different peers. When the cache expires, a new = key must be obtained somehow.

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I guess I don't understand @huitema's case. The keys are only different if the c= onnection IDs are
different, and if the connection IDs are different that's sufficient to dis= tinguish the attempts.

When the first Server Clear Text messages arrives, it carries no referen= ce to the initial connection ID chosen by the client. There is thus no way = to distinguish between the response to the latest Client Initial and a repe= at of a Server Clear Text from a previous connection attempt. Same IP addre= sses, same ports, no clue.

If the key depends on the connection ID, you ensure that the client will= drop messages that are not relevant to the connection, thus solving the pr= oblem of spurious repeat of Server Clear Text messages.

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Alright, this might not be how I would design SCID, but this decision makes sense in that context. Closing the issue.

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I agree, the text is confusing. From what I understand, the spec is to a= bsorb packets and occasionally repeat the CONNECTION_CLOSE (or APPLICATION_= CLOSE) for 3* RTO. The peer is not supposed to do anything with the packets= , just count them and send a repeat if the count reaches a threshold. Argua= bly, if the peer receives a CONNECTION CLOSE, it does not even need repeati= ng its own close again. The only real requirement is to NOT send a stateles= s reset during that time.

There is a related issue about entering a draining period after idle tim= eout. How is that a different behavior from adding 3*RTO to the idle timeou= t period?

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Also, the text does not explicitly say what the receiver of the CONNECTION_CLOSE shall do. From what I read, it is OK to just go away, no draining period required.

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----==_mimepart_59ea7fb4ec839_160f3f9a139baf2c113661f-- From nobody Sat Oct 21 15:51:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C11133A35 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2017 15:51:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.12 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.12 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZJo0c54EhdMl for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2017 15:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4770133A36 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2017 15:51:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=WstLcC+/sBY0TR38nob6AkBpN7E=; b=UXNzU0OD4Y11gRNJ 6pPg/gjIsIHziWSHOH7j1WrklPbeJylXZtN+9GeA9RNh7ygjZLEFHGQUIGps55uS 6uzgjxuYHGjmKUbcmS7T8pBZggKToZ2qmAxrrAJtOgkdP4ZRJsm2Xe14QfQZlbrk /gdTpb1hRnhG987+UmnBBBgRRNI= Received: by filter0429p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0429p1mdw1-23713-59EBCF57-1 2017-10-21 22:51:03.154109101 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0010p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id IhI_xLJBQMSq75g9LhNf3g for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2017 22:51:03.137 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 22:51:03 +0000 (UTC) From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Potential PRNG attack via Stateless Reset (#892) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59ebcf5798e4_279ac3f8589ebcf28200481c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1OgLiupJdF6tLxzBal7ZicUBllJiCw7OoYDD VZHgEWJ2BUSw+nN5DEo7ehZU2ZAllUm2giPnts5lgDMldR15B1aGiWjzqnmzPYRhfDj34abwaUJnQK dMtc7y0dg6b55EkyYR0pZpgVfp2GdabkEbXC76TyYMo5jivJzOfeGNWhW8or+mubb4Pyygasg71jPA E= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 22:51:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59ebcf5798e4_279ac3f8589ebcf28200481c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The recommended implementation is to set the stateless reset secret to something like hash(some local secret, connection ID). The typical implementation will be: 1) At initialization of the server, get N bytes from the PRNG; 2) When bad connection arrive, compute a hash of that and connection ID. Yes, attackers can get use the sending of packets as an oracle: guess a local secret value, send a bogus packet with a chosen ID, observe the hash. If they can break the HASH, they might be able to get back to the secret. But that's a big IF -- the typical implementation would use SHA256, and being able to reverse the values mean that SHA256 is really broken. There might be other attacks available at this point than reversing a hash to find 16 bytes of PRNG output from some unspecified time in the past. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/892#issuecomment-338437770 ----==_mimepart_59ebcf5798e4_279ac3f8589ebcf28200481c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The recommended implementation is to set the stateless reset secret to s= omething like hash(some local secret, connection ID). The typical implement= ation will be:

  1. At initialization of the server, get N bytes from the PRNG;

  2. When bad connection arrive, compute a hash of that and connection ID.

Yes, attackers can get use the sending of packets as an oracle: guess a = local secret value, send a bogus packet with a chosen ID, observe the hash.= If they can break the HASH, they might be able to get back to the secret. = But that's a big IF -- the typical implementation would use SHA256, and bei= ng able to reverse the values mean that SHA256 is really broken. There migh= t be other attacks available at this point than reversing a hash to find 16= bytes of PRNG output from some unspecified time in the past.

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My concern here is not the token, assuming it is hashed properly. It i= s the other random data that might expose the internal state of the under= lying PRNG. Sometimes crypto libraries default to OS PRNg and it might be= broken, or deliberately flawed:
= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_number_generator_attack

Some claim large tables exists to attack PRNGs:
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/09/the_nsa_is= _brea.html#c1676224

Some PRNG's may be good, but only when the entropy is not exhausted. B= etter PRNG's use something like a CTR mode encrypted to derive values fro= m a short entropy source.
https://www.schnei= er.com/academic/fortuna/

Again, I don't really think it is QUIC's concern to fix PRNG's, but st= ill, a conservative approach to exposure should be taken when feasible.

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So, you are concerned with the large number of random padding bytes? OK.= Do you have a suggestion on a practical algorithm that would not rely so m= uch on the PRNG, and yet meet the goal of not being detectable by a observe= rs?

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The Stateless reset could use AEAD encryption, and include the connectio= n ID in the encrypted content. Then padding and connection ID can be set to= zero and encrypted, but the AEAD key for the packet is then derived from a= random value instead of using the (previously random) connection ID.

This is roughly what a good PRNG already does, but thinking AEAD into al= l packets this way is consistent and significantly safer.

In a broader context, the cleartext AEAD also helps protect againts PRNG= attacks, except as already pointed out, one could attempt to create a lot = of connections.

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Alternatively the connection ID could be hashed with a hmac using a random key, and padding would use a counter as input.

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As these bytes are not examined by the client, this doesn't seem like it needs to be specified in the protocol.

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What about initial_max_data in the extension?

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max_data and max_stream_data seem to be inconsistent between the stream flow control and transport parameters

In transport params they are encoded as 32 bit values and in the MAX_STREAM_DATA it is a 64 bit value. Similarly now MAX_DATA is a 64 bit value in octets, however initial_max_data is a 32 bit value expressed in KB. It's not a big deal to implement, but just a bit weird.

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That is, the application decides, but signals to the transport (and any intermediaries with keys) using APPLICATION_CLOSE when it has concluded its shutdown. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/604#issuecomment-338540882 ----==_mimepart_59ed666c1de77_403a3fdf2f0aef301678594 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@hardie, has this been addressed by recent changes? That is, the application decides, but signals to the transport (and any intermediaries with keys) using APPLICATION_CLOSE when it has concluded its shutdown.

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I think that the intent was to specify both in the same units, and one got missed by both patch author and editors. I'll fix that.

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Closed #895 via 166101d.

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Reopened #895.

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Oh, I missed the 32/64 thing. I agree that it's odd. Then there's the possibility of using a varint. I await feedback from implementers on this one.

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Which Long Header Type are we supposed to use for this packet?

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----==_mimepart_59ed909dd65cb_14f03fe1e3c04f2c15828be-- From nobody Mon Oct 23 06:18:30 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC05813F3A9 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 06:18:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.283 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.283 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VdF860Pz9FrQ for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 06:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DCC313F6DE for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 06:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 06:18:23 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1508764703; bh=LmwH1JsY9doWV4Q0fnxYU4+ifQhzPuVy4UaVzf+t16g=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=IxgGOBLrvJTHSkTZoZdgASWjrxA2H6VbLxYIburXNfhlVO7BukQ4Am2S2qw4G1BR/ SbsdhvS/wLNReBfXXBkM8hwl50mLzpiEVPcYXO+UTiLnCAOB0s/5E38mEbK9ugh2tX CqiLVEgZr0LAZJuWrdQCweBiWtOk71TCesthXCb8= From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] time_of_last_sent_packet should be defined as a "variable of interest" (#540) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59edec1f3f98_7fe3fe9a6574f3475887a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 13:18:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59edec1f3f98_7fe3fe9a6574f3475887a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit #522 defines `time_of_last_sent_packet`, but it's still not being used anywhere in the pseudo code (as of -07) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/540#issuecomment-338655669 ----==_mimepart_59edec1f3f98_7fe3fe9a6574f3475887a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

#522 defines time_of_last_sent_packet, but it's still not being used anywhere in the pseudo code (as of -07)

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Reopened #540.

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PR#894 reminded me that implicitly opened streams add complexity to the stream text and I'm not aware of any real value.

Efficient implementations would have to store a small amount of data to indicate a stream ID less than the largest had not been used, but I think that's true either way.

I realize there are cases when one COULD use this as a feature(ie: in protocols where both sides send info right after the TCP handshake), but you could also just wait for the stream frame to arrive.

I realize this has been brought up before, but now that we've resolved the uni/bidi direction, I think it makes sense to reconsider whether this is a feature or a bug.

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= ----==_mimepart_59edffa88f252_6a073fbb987a6f282077ee-- From nobody Mon Oct 23 08:18:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EB2713942F for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 08:18:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.474 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.474 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LixxjJ6f167T for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 08:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D552139428 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 08:18:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=0/u9BQJ/L/wx12lbpq4JttGte7U=; b=EMWwIlfTylifRQf/ 1kTvDpe94U8hTzCPz7ZotraRKe+D7AQ0Ivg0lSXBwAGS1k0S1DSF97HZJnlo3EOi a20YGUtyTf7uLHtZJIx7RQnmrxf6DKF2nEn2n45TGyMo7q8V+cuCVdSBb2H9tI8H QnD8JnlBilCL7Vzh9nqrBnfrUXM= Received: by filter0406p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0406p1mdw1-21484-59EE0817-A 2017-10-23 15:17:43.591612978 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1sjc2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 7ZnRTGMsSAOKUYoheHwaaQ for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 15:17:43.398 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 15:17:44 +0000 (UTC) From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Implicitly opened streams add complexity (#896) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59ee0816a7d66_24953fd704432f2c55684"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3dcJxzVK/M8E+TVaLkI1gpbol20jE1fzjdDo pznRLGWEcXMjwvH/zqw9hKIYAka6I+4S1Vs7mgV2z+eTB+6CEiOraAE2OYhgge/idE6yp5gz7ENMSa TEjE2io3DQpTvV06nk2iLyRBZ62PikCIENDTL7UG3cxJZXuDydkr+/3et0e6ilcD1PCUO4CMaFUKMa U= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 15:18:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59ee0816a7d66_24953fd704432f2c55684 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Makes sense. The only thing is guidance on how large gaps in yet not seen streams before treating it as an error. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/896#issuecomment-338693591 ----==_mimepart_59ee0816a7d66_24953fd704432f2c55684 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Makes sense. The only thing is guidance on how large gaps in yet not seen streams before treating it as an error.

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I think the MAX_STREAM_ID should mean we don't need any special text on gaps. It's typically most efficient to use streams in order for both peers, so hopefully most implementations will do that.

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True. But the requirement of opening in order should probably also go = the way of the Dodo then: #634

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Can we use this to get rid of the mod 4 stream ID logic that was necessa= ry for unidirectional streams, and the even/odd change?

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I implemented 32/64, and it wasn't too bad, since these parsers are nece= ssarily different, and 32 bits should technically be enough even for connec= tion flow control since this is just an initial offset, however it just see= ms that having these 2 be different is error prone.

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= ----==_mimepart_59ee24162d3d8_31683fa04c86af34528269-- From nobody Mon Oct 23 10:53:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E68E13982B for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 10:53:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LJEEL2Z5MZJL for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 10:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext4.iad.github.net [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 886C8138BE2 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 10:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 10:53:29 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1508781220; bh=aLBh+mKMrlsJ95EDKow/bxvWlSh0CwS4yFEVXb+8aX0=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VgD4u/DDjO9CxvwPdpFway/Sc27yfM7jO+EByj3+GzImMLcO4J0fSt4EN4MJHidUE w/XZRj6cwPJzbBdqTxWV6TgKgVdct3S+vA1RCSKliUeXdBeSy08aiAECffMP258vOv rYgslb3RsoBUHrPsCZw56kQf4EF8aI9OAOBLmVP4= From: Subodh Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Implicitly opened streams add complexity (#896) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59ee2c996c52e_1b9c3f7fa9f16f2c4291a8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: siyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 17:53:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59ee2c996c52e_1b9c3f7fa9f16f2c4291a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I kind of like implicit open, you say it adds no value. I've mentioned before why implicit open is simpler to implement and less prone to deadlock. With implicit open I have to store 3 state parameters: * next openable stream * Structures for streams that are open (lazily allocated) * Stream ids for streams that are unopened Whenever a stream is closed I can send a MAX_STREAM_ID immediately, since I can get rid of state, and I only keep track of state for streams that are open. however without implicit open, the implementation is a bit more complicated and more similar to flow control. My thoughts are that I would have to store: * streams currently closed * lowest closed stream I would be able to advance MAX_STREAM_ID only when lowest closed stream moves forward. This seems more prone to deadlock. Do people have alternate implementations ideas that could work better for the non-implicit open case? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/896#issuecomment-338742829 ----==_mimepart_59ee2c996c52e_1b9c3f7fa9f16f2c4291a8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I kind of like implicit open, you say it adds no value. I've mentioned= before why implicit open is simpler to implement and less prone to deadl= ock.

With implicit open I have to store 3 state parameters:

  • next openable stream
  • Structures for streams that are open (lazily allocated)
  • Stream ids for streams that are unopened

Whenever a stream is closed I can send a MAX_STREAM_ID immediately, si= nce I can get rid of state, and I only keep track of state for streams th= at are open.

however without implicit open, the implementation is a bit more compli= cated and more similar to flow control. My thoughts are that I would have= to store:

  • streams currently closed
  • lowest closed stream

I would be able to advance MAX_STREAM_ID only when lowest closed strea= m moves forward. This seems more prone to deadlock. Do people have altern= ate implementations ideas that could work better for the non-implicit ope= n case?

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Martin's PR #894= seems to suggest streams can be opened in any order, but you're righ= t that this makes the order of creation much less important.

@= marten-seemann I think the mod 4 stream ID logic really falls out of = the choice to have separate namespaces for unidirectional and bidirection= al streams, with separate MAX_STREAM_IDs and such.

One of the benefits of separate namespaces is that MAX_DATA would have= a stream ID that specifies whether it's unidirectional or bidi, so you'd= know which it was. But you're correct that MAX_DATA needs to open a str= eam(regardless of whether we implicitly open streams), which is weird, bu= t I think the only reasonable option to avoid stream flow control states = from getting out of sync.

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no i'm suggesting it doesn't need to have a 1024 multiplier.

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@siyeng= ar I think the implementation should be identical, since something li= ke what you describe is the easiest way to efficiently implement this. T= he only difference is whether a stream can be written to once a higher st= ream ID has been seen.

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= ----==_mimepart_59ee2e9a3465d_415f3fb9bccb2f2c3226ae-- From nobody Mon Oct 23 11:09:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BBFB138AEE for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 11:09:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I9gyURsI6w3K for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 11:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 085B2137C4A for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 11:09:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=hqof4Vq08yWIq1pEU/MUWVXU0w8=; b=CgMdCbkyo+GsDWli AzHFobb4qKClE8Bpo0NU7X70+bRjqrfbd8K+oIzV7n95xzY8LKwVLYyJtHRhtbYV ehI2V+3NU3K9DdtdqyxpkfhxlXFTcQLzwfi8PAFZ4yfBKndoDBEJ5pi5c+v24TSR iCK6L1539+JEgOQWP13RjdtIlzw= Received: by filter0043p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0043p1las1-29758-59EE3073-14 2017-10-23 18:09:55.388880733 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0005p1sjc2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id oEE09kuBQiW_ovizaYqN8Q for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 18:09:55.252 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 18:09:55 +0000 (UTC) From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Implicitly opened streams add complexity (#896) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59ee3072a2caa_a933f8184236f28110988"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0NxlWQIkbhbZfUPr59sX9TmqWTirCvYUWp8M 9TXNc8xR8NINO3HYBYYvpVYeepVgnfBVeaNPSbYLLVCm/sCidP2Ys/8bPAUrSQKIYw3ZqxHLd0BRbV WHdXd4dvoadfWu0YJAa3+pTWciYCea9aptBVmteKs5kPDOd4GUp09US9p1L+OLhzb2TLBYnJUd8A+Y g= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 18:09:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59ee3072a2caa_a933f8184236f28110988 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I would be able to advance MAX_STREAM_ID only when lowest closed stream moves forward. This is a bit unfortunate if you have tempoary streams mixed with long running streams. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/896#issuecomment-338747633 ----==_mimepart_59ee3072a2caa_a933f8184236f28110988 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I would be able to advance MAX_STREAM_ID only when lowest closed stream moves forward.

This is a bit unfortunate if you have tempoary streams mixed with long running streams.

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----==_mimepart_59ee3072a2caa_a933f8184236f28110988-- From nobody Mon Oct 23 11:10:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E411398CA for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 11:10:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sLdCbSuyPfuj for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 11:10:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35293138AEE for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 11:10:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=pmeKBYZAnEz32ILzXq1lsmV0rVI=; b=ZgumI8iVzSCtpV2e Fvzp5WHg16qVBd5Y/6lnL0GipABpJsOWaeZcUHKgzp9sDlOYHLTmUC8KtNXJhr9R 0QBw0P2w2EhAPlbb1+RK0A57RkhcgZ/DZgMzqN8ZDqE1jiogb8BLsUNEkT/wvhho FNZoAYbWBXyeI2+KIeZ60PFJxaU= Received: by filter0478p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0478p1mdw1-17267-59EE30AC-29 2017-10-23 18:10:52.657149327 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id Om9rncptT96vnpRIQLR6BA for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 18:10:52.614 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 18:10:52 +0000 (UTC) From: Subodh Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Implicitly opened streams add complexity (#896) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59ee30ac80d81_445b3f95c14e2f2893993"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: siyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3MvL8tOo+FQ+rUiZNEtqmGe7Eutby3JIfDHy MiAcC/1mCq+jAkDMhvfg2UjrXH+XT+32zsfI1VLo4cSYUq+q+vJG8nLuo+d+/dOihCYrfy57v1cTLg fmKbVEf5Bv4ct4FOlju8AuzThJ9XGOJ07reibRgvl7PAXlZ0cuFoCDNX6PSmBijA42Dh87Mb0m66ui 4= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 18:10:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59ee30ac80d81_445b3f95c14e2f2893993 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett ya what i'm worried about is 1 long polling http request stream stalling the entire connection. My sketch of an implementation is the implementation I can think of which is faithful to the max stream id state limit, i.e. I store only as much state as stream id allows. I'm mostly wondering if people have other ideas for efficient implementation which is not susceptible to the deadlock. If it can't be implemented efficiently without the deadlock or relaxing the meaning of stream limit then it seems not so great to allow streams to be opened in any order. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/896#issuecomment-338747914 ----==_mimepart_59ee30ac80d81_445b3f95c14e2f2893993 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@ianswett= ya what i'm worried about is 1 long polling http request stream stalli= ng the entire connection. My sketch of an implementation is the implementat= ion I can think of which is faithful to the max stream id state limit, i.e.= I store only as much state as stream id allows. I'm mostly wondering if pe= ople have other ideas for efficient implementation which is not susceptible= to the deadlock. If it can't be implemented efficiently without the deadlo= ck or relaxing the meaning of stream limit then it seems not so great to al= low streams to be opened in any order.

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----==_mimepart_59ee33129fbe9_690b3f9d625e0f30216731-- From nobody Mon Oct 23 11:44:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C873D138351 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 11:44:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.52 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.52 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kG5XfgrrHcq3 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 11:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B5AF137C4A for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 11:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 11:44:38 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1508784278; bh=2X1oN+XJjjSw2LVpoHEnU3ixZIzHRoIP/Iojzj3ShfQ=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=p1P/rPjttEGagaEX6WfRS5a7G24MSOv3Af3ZJvxixn8xI3TH2i9iRmZv0tl2hyR0S 77SI9ZAVw9XoFztiRm6Fpm9y1v0Sl7qBbIppXjD0fPN9ghg17npKgApdujapVk6TFS lRx2UmCVPlT3Wd0zaH92lk8ul3DaOHuqT5W8tuFY= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Implicitly opened streams add complexity (#896) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59ee389643705_499f3fc160deaf38117231"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 18:44:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59ee389643705_499f3fc160deaf38117231 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @siyengar I'll try to clarify what I have in mind. - A hash map of streams, stream_id -> stream* - Largest Opened Stream Assuming the hash_map has an efficient size operation, you know how many streams less than Largest Opened Stream are currently or could soon be in use, so you can still increase MAX_STREAM_ID after a stream is closed. I would expect one would insert null into the hash map when a Stream has been implicitly created to minimize memory usage. Without implicit open, you do the same, and the only difference is you can't write on a stream that has a null entry, whereas today you can write on that stream. There's also probably a change in when you get the OnStreamCreated(stream_id) callback or the equivalent. Does that make sense, or am I missing something? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/896#issuecomment-338758007 ----==_mimepart_59ee389643705_499f3fc160deaf38117231 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@siyeng= ar I'll try to clarify what I have in mind.

  • A hash map of streams, stream_id -> stream*
  • Largest Opened Stream

Assuming the hash_map has an efficient size operation, you know how ma= ny streams less than Largest Opened Stream are currently or could soon be= in use, so you can still increase MAX_STREAM_ID after a stream is closed= .

I would expect one would insert null into the hash map when a Stream h= as been implicitly created to minimize memory usage. Without implicit op= en, you do the same, and the only difference is you can't write on a stre= am that has a null entry, whereas today you can write on that stream. Th= ere's also probably a change in when you get the OnStreamCreated(stream_i= d) callback or the equivalent.

Does that make sense, or am I missing something?

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@mar= tinthomson I'm not sure if you're referring to a PR or the published do= cs. If the published docs, transport looks like it covers APPLICATION_CLOS= E but the HTTP mapping doc doesn't mention it and 7.1 seems to be using the= HTTP application error codes with CONNECTION_CLOSE. So I think it would n= eed a PR to cover APPLICATION_CLOSE.

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in this construction, how would you know whether a stream that is not in the hash map is closed or unopened?

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@ianswett= ya i think that your method could work

  • stream structures for opened streams (lazily allocated)
  • list of stream ids for unopened streams
  • largest opened stream

The key idea here is that you don't have to keep track of streams higher= than largest opened stream even if they are unopened.

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if you look at this construction it's basically equivalent to the construction of implicit open which I mentioned before, the only difference is that you're not allowing the receiver to send bytes on that stream.

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Critically, to observe that the transport parameters need to change, even if nothing else does.

Closes #826.

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This updates it. Most importantly, it says what to do to finish a graceful shutdown, including the sending of APPLICATION_CLOSE frames. I added a new error code for when the server receives a GOAWAY. 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This updates it. Most importantly, it says what to do to finish a graceful shutdown, including the sending of APPLICATION_CLOSE frames. I added a new error code for when the server receives a GOAWAY. I also changed the description to be less generic and use client and server as appropriate. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/898 -- Commit Summary -- * Improve GOAWAY description -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (41) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/898.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/898.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/898 ----==_mimepart_59ee972ee8775_14c73fa1a700cf341793cb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

As noted by @hardie in #604, the description of GOAWAY hasn't tracked
the changes in the transport. This updates it. Most importantly, it says what
to do to finish a graceful shutdown, including the sending of APPLICATION_CLOSE
frames.

I added a new error code for when the server receives a GOAWAY. I also changed
the description to be less generic and use client and server as appropriate.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/898

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  • Improve GOAWAY description

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----==_mimepart_59ee972ee8775_14c73fa1a700cf341793cb-- From nobody Mon Oct 23 18:49:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EBEA13AFEF for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 18:49:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.181 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.181 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k7v82Xfo08TZ for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 18:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9DB46139F67 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 18:49:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=0Z9ItaX15D3erA1TfVBYDA2QYNI=; b=dXi9FQPPeOMW+gk7 FshhR04FYmsKpjv1Cw15j/BWx4LSJ27ftsr0zc8zysV8B5fx2bNzlNY+OQFXGGI9 R/WQCh0uLEihviW1ym6XPNx3r5FpCvGmL1tbYb2EwyQOfWdB6RbxU/oOSrJBMkuV FflNx7P93s6Y6i3CsnLfVzdRENw= Received: by filter0481p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0481p1mdw1-22185-59EE9C3A-B 2017-10-24 01:49:46.599880404 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id aqjuR5ulT_-QIOWj-dSFRw for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 01:49:46.554 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 01:49:46 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Implicitly opened streams add complexity (#896) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59ee9c3a74400_1cc3fdbadd7af281075d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3Ls/qPhVefESUfNzPQxskoWEbKC7X+eVHur+ XsFOPj8fGGqThqoKFzcwmd1yGUpT8dzNgme6TSLqJiCjNRNP5MtHoaZ/M0mOsArimHeY91dJhn3x4Q bbCZQPYceo5oLPYUmlcuAGXj1IT040LFGc69m70t/sZNKpMStqdWTN85u8A6Z8jMDo9Krce1CyERAn o= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 01:49:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59ee9c3a74400_1cc3fdbadd7af281075d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For my benefit, how is this different from #634? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/896#issuecomment-338847072 ----==_mimepart_59ee9c3a74400_1cc3fdbadd7af281075d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

For my benefit, how is this different from #634?

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----==_mimepart_59ee9c3a74400_1cc3fdbadd7af281075d-- From nobody Tue Oct 24 03:15:09 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B070113F6D9 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 03:15:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.615 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.615 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DIm_elKEKrdq for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 03:15:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7749B13F3CB for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 03:15:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=R8xJZvKc+DqVyHSAwmVjjSqyWRY=; b=Oi0bZTKsotWZsHOl ZTb8iKOSrt3LQ++h8lcTI0Yzz/3Jv6ICTtFca1SMw0YFS0aqcc9RbDhfP+WKsKZ1 J25yzwQLMVHkukzDX1PW1PoW+tExyik0+oFhMzlNYoLpHlhYL7QbDW8g3/h1+bBg AXqzPICMcDtq8909ccvv5nTlg+I= Received: by filter1102p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1102p1mdw1-19476-59EF12A9-16 2017-10-24 10:15:05.522859007 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id _KIhFmFySDmZbjvUoLPhBQ for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 10:15:05.503 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 10:15:05 +0000 (UTC) From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Implicitly opened streams add complexity (#896) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59ef12a961edf_34b3fcfebe28f382287ae"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak20H6gyVDBVII6HwZeTmwhnQHSqTSS1ubQEag g7W3+XLfWvpYrg+VeCc0QysdrneAxZ31ljIjlXy+Yb++Vn0e6HluG4QPuMi1rKtA8SaVOsgLwdOdgc qjIggX3kZ5SKFy1xhw+w7Schv7eUOyI26ZkLz8FzAC9fK7IoZUrHx6IIf4MR2/CvbrVGzR3iWQVojW w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 10:15:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59ef12a961edf_34b3fcfebe28f382287ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think of them as two questions which I don't 'think' have a large effect on each other: 1) Should streams be implicitly opened? 2) Must streams be created in order? If you say no to the second, then streams should really not be implicitly created, but even if you say yes to the second, the peer doesn't need to implicitly create them. Personally, I do like in order creation, though I don't think there's much of a way to enforce it, and I do not like implicitly opened streams. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/896#issuecomment-338943174 ----==_mimepart_59ef12a961edf_34b3fcfebe28f382287ae Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think of them as two questions which I don't 'think' have a large effe= ct on each other:

  1. Should streams be implicitly opened?
  2. Must streams be created in order?

If you say no to the second, then streams should really not be implicitl= y created, but even if you say yes to the second, the peer doesn't need to = implicitly create them.

Personally, I do like in order creation, though I don't think there's mu= ch of a way to enforce it, and I do not like implicitly opened streams.

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The fact one can write on a stream prior to receiving anything on that= stream just seems weird to me.

I think it would be very good to treat it as a fatal error if the serv= er sends on a client initiated stream bidi before the client has sent any= data on that stream, and vice versa. And on any uni stream at point. And= vice versa for server intiated.

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> The fact one can write on a stream prior to receiving anything on that=
> stream just seems weird to me.
>
> I think it would be very good to treat it as a fatal error if the serv= er
> sends on a client initiated stream bidi before the client has sent any= data
> on that stream, and vice versa. And on any uni stream at point. And vi= ce
> versa for server intiated.
>

I have heard Ian say this too, but I haven't heard a good rationale for=
this other than it seems ugly. There are TCP-based protocols where the
passive opener speaks first (telnet) or simultaneously (ssh) and the
accept() is the trigger to speak, and so this would be a straightforward
mapping to QUIC.

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> signal?
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> As a generic, I think this is fine.

> I'll open an editorial PR on the HTTP spec to correct the error(s)= there.
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The thing is that you set limit to stream transmission you are willing t= o accept from the peer. The streams that you initiate is something that you= manage. If the peer starts broadcasting on streams you have no intention t= o ever manage, only after completing a number other streams, then the peer = is in fact having a card blance for overloading your stream state.

Also, as you say, it is ugly because you can't make assumptions on strea= m state based on a single action: either starting an own stream, or receivi= ng data from a peer stream.

As to having channels where the peer can respond early. Telnet is roughl= y a single channel so the point does not extend to quick. You could model t= elnet with two uni-directional streams, or you could send an early ready me= ssage to allow the peer to transmit.

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boundary="--==_mimepart_59f010b657810_205e3f9308388f30585b8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0EfxOCUAzoDjVqSMZf40DDES+4CzdrEVJCdI yy6BD4r79Ya/ViniHjdL+vjGCSDU9CCekCmtBTDrDbMCXxoRBKUn5Ma/y2X8WFzAHuhesEm90UoOo5 bJmz100USg6XUWVXcXzquWQZoOxPewmRooD1Hvj8CYgmh+Q5HAn8cFIR5REyGsk0E60F2z4NrR9FrY Q= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 04:19:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59f010b657810_205e3f9308388f30585b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm going to close this one. It's clear that there are many ways in which the random bits you need might be obtained without exposing the state of the PRNG that you use for key generation. How an implementation safeguards itself is up to that implementation. (FWIW, if you care about this specific issue, I would encourage you to pursue a more general solution, perhaps by revising RFC 4086. Then everyone benefits, not just QUIC.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/892#issuecomment-339209805 ----==_mimepart_59f010b657810_205e3f9308388f30585b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm going to close this one. It's clear that there are many ways in whi= ch the random bits you need might be obtained without exposing the state of= the PRNG that you use for key generation. How an implementation safeguard= s itself is up to that implementation.

(FWIW, if you care about this specific issue, I would encourage you to p= ursue a more general solution, perhaps by revising RFC 4086. Then everyone= benefits, not just QUIC.)

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----==_mimepart_59f0186c5b4ab_34ad3fadf53b4f38123931-- From nobody Tue Oct 24 21:52:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 822FA13B0F4 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 21:51:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wgi0vqjCg1nY for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 21:51:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m71-131.mailgun.net (m71-131.mailgun.net [166.78.71.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C89AA13AC9E for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 21:51:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1508907117; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=hc9udMGp6oZoY1XhKCDRRBsJICOBPdSISF38n+3cQG4=; b=ykCMO20QOUDomOufeP5Tw17zJQ8Mb9nwKjVg6LnrX9p0Uu5RQ5VwVDlXE/uLtCDORzlkYFCp Dlo5T1XBrPny+zVjB+UoWYguj1zm2wY5PwudBkpTCY5DPJIeEPpQbTJ1YNOOtgRHzklFaxKZ CmsLX5UYSnXtngLXtwJbY0rCD+M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oJSGn40VJVKVhUnvT6AvX8sz2MfaqD8z1TsE0pWFzO68cwr6Ji1vklp7YenImg5pHvudXt ZGYgDfoJ+/Yia1rnCC3tCvNJV8esE4dGXwA7gBtk3gmyDTgHG4xpUiOEa2LWuxn2PZN8xIQ1 My9/2eNc2VZW0suwhQZ4lrBb1TFRc= Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.71.131 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.42]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 59f0186b.7fc1f84a5360-smtp-out-n01; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 04:51:55 -0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 21:51:54 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <59f0186ac750a_39ee3fc93b58bc241541d2@hookshot-fe1-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 5eca32: Tweaks for the draining period Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59f0186ac7163_39ee3fc93b58bc241540f9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 04:51:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59f0186ac7163_39ee3fc93b58bc241540f9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 5eca32c8958efb02b936a00c759d50d9913c07b9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5eca32c8958efb02b936a00c759d50d9913c07b9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Tweaks for the draining period This makes the 3RTO timer advisory (SHOULD). It also adds a note about leaving early. If you can be sure that the other side isn't going to send you more packets indefinitely, then you can end early if you are OK with receiving reordered or delayed packets. I also removed a residual mention of sending ACK frames in this state. Commit: 9ead47479272bdc252ae0ae9363e46a558d61a0f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9ead47479272bdc252ae0ae9363e46a558d61a0f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Stateless reset works for early exit too Commit: cc9d717bab0253868572a3a759501f1157c37055 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cc9d717bab0253868572a3a759501f1157c37055 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-25 (Wed, 25 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Editorial tweak Commit: 1ca1af9eb21e7f0a53d168a51bab9740bf57b361 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1ca1af9eb21e7f0a53d168a51bab9740bf57b361 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-25 (Wed, 25 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #870 from quicwg/draining-applicability Tweaks for the draining period Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/36a36142b252...1ca1af9eb21e ----==_mimepart_59f0186ac7163_39ee3fc93b58bc241540f9-- From nobody Tue Oct 24 22:11:25 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 461F8139436 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 22:11:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uO4psmpgjs7o for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 22:11:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m69-169.mailgun.net (m69-169.mailgun.net [166.78.69.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2BA11395F0 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 22:11:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1508908281; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=aybyQf+OkqQqPq6kNBKeGgfupJy/Q6OZ6aP7wBpBzNQ=; b=kK8Ye1ca4sLCKG/Fbhu+bx43hk4Jbn6y3ix58Dqrs2JkJvVYdN4P/2gDciCn9TXthJet1egr HpkosoDMWpwIx+gtrIaUpECeqWtkZj8v+blXJVGvsMvrTi8EvmK2M3tv21ABpJUNk1F6fzfG sRHLZv7GCF/8m0T/iGNSVnSYK8o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PCHSVvI4SijIb1uZL2SDe4f3otrwlGNaPtX5i7a7R1kU0QV5iQigTMu32VIvPG/Hk18e4U 42Jvgdy68XtTT0F6mFRV6Fw6sGthfUThucuqKFLuCjFtUTHecW39R9U4mBfnQYUK2zDnPuBq GF6ykL1a9rQr0ab9MIdLi5Af0Mt7k= Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.169 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.40]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 59f01cf2.7fc1f85a44b0-smtp-out-n01; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 05:11:14 -0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 22:11:13 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <59f01cf12272e_8313ff0c1cbfc2c83753@hookshot-fe6-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] fceabf: Rework draining period into two (or three) states Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59f01cf122358_8313ff0c1cbfc2c83697"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 05:11:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59f01cf122358_8313ff0c1cbfc2c83697 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/draining-closing Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: fceabf788beb458a384785cc8528eb47888b0aa3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fceabf788beb458a384785cc8528eb47888b0aa3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-25 (Wed, 25 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Rework draining period into two (or three) states As @ekr points out, there was definitely more than one closing state. I've modified this to the following three: 1. draining - when you know that the other side is closing, this is just to absorb stray packets 2. closing - when you have initiated the close and you need to re-send the close in addition to absorbing stray packets (this could be longer than the 3RTO period if we like, but I've opted for keeping a shared timer) 3. timed out - when you timed out, and you are willing to revive the connection if new packets arrive; this one being optional In the process I realized that we needed greater clarity about how to respond to a closing frame (thanks to @huitema for the prompting). I allow the recipient to generate one closing frame, but no more than that. They enter the draining period thereafter and can't send any more packets. Having two peers in the closing state could result in a constant back-and-forth. Editorial: I added the term "closing frame" to cover CONNECTION_CLOSE and APPLICATION_CLOSE collectively, which were getting cumbersome. 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Wed, 25 Oct 2017 05:15:18 -0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 22:15:18 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <59f01de65f164_39983fb98c9b7c30133287@hookshot-fe2-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] a75268: Rework draining period into two (or three) states Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59f01de65edb6_39983fb98c9b7c301331b5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 05:15:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59f01de65edb6_39983fb98c9b7c301331b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/draining-closing Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: a75268899fae4a86682412751d9c563e6992bf05 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a75268899fae4a86682412751d9c563e6992bf05 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-25 (Wed, 25 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Rework draining period into two (or three) states As @ekr points out, there was definitely more than one closing state. I've modified this to the following three: 1. draining - when you know that the other side is closing, this is just to absorb stray packets 2. closing - when you have initiated the close and you need to re-send the close in addition to absorbing stray packets (this could be longer than the 3RTO period if we like, but I've opted for keeping a shared timer) 3. timed out - when you timed out, and you are willing to revive the connection if new packets arrive; this one being optional In the process I realized that we needed greater clarity about how to respond to a closing frame (thanks to @huitema for the prompting). I allow the recipient to generate one closing frame, but no more than that. They enter the draining period thereafter and can't send any more packets. Having two peers in the closing state could result in a constant back-and-forth. Editorial: I added the term "closing frame" to cover CONNECTION_CLOSE and APPLICATION_CLOSE collectively, which were getting cumbersome. 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I've modified this to the following three: 1. draining - when you know that the other side is closing, this is just to absorb stray packets 2. closing - when you have initiated the close and you need to re-send the close in addition to absorbing stray packets (this could be longer than the 3RTO period if we like, but I've opted for keeping a shared timer) 3. timed out - when you timed out, and you are willing to revive the connection if new packets arrive; this one being optional In the process I realized that we needed greater clarity about how to respond to a closing frame (thanks to @huitema for the prompting). I allow the recipient to generate one closing frame, but no more than that. They enter the draining period thereafter and can't send any more packets. Having two peers in the closing state could result in a constant back-and-forth. Editorial: I added the term "closing frame" to cover CONNECTION_CLOSE and APPLICATION_CLOSE collectively, which were getting cumbersome. 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I've modified this to the following three: 1. draining - when you know that the other side is closing, this is just to absorb stray packets 2. closing - when you have initiated the close and you need to re-send the close in addition to absorbing stray packets (this could be longer than the 3RTO period if we like, but I've opted for keeping a shared timer) 3. timed out - when you timed out, and you are willing to revive the connection if new packets arrive; this one being optional In the process I realized that we needed greater clarity about how to respond to a closing frame (thanks to @huitema for the prompting). I allow the recipient to generate one closing frame, but no more than that. They enter the draining period thereafter and can't send any more packets. Having two peers in the closing state could result in a constant back-and-forth. Editorial: I added the term "closing frame" to cover CONNECTION_CLOSE and APPLICATION_CLOSE collectively, which were getting cumbersome. 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I've modified this to the following three: 1. draining - when you know that the other side is closing, this is just to absorb stray packets 2. closing - when you have initiated the close and you need to re-send the close in addition to absorbing stray packets (this could be longer than the 3RTO period if we like, but I've opted for keeping a shared timer) 3. timed out - when you timed out, and you are willing to revive the connection if new packets arrive; this one being optional In the process I realized that we needed greater clarity about how to respond to a closing frame (thanks to @huitema for the prompting). I allow the recipient to generate one closing frame, but no more than that. They enter the draining period thereafter and can't send any more packets. Having two peers in the closing state could result in a constant back-and-forth. Editorial: I added the term "closing frame" to cover CONNECTION_CLOSE and APPLICATION_CLOSE collectively, which were getting cumbersome. Closes #871. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/899 -- Commit Summary -- * Rework draining period into two (or three) states -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (104) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/899.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/899.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/899 ----==_mimepart_59f01f2643931_1f4a3f9eb7fcef28285d0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

As @ekr points out, there was definitely more than one closing state. I've
modified this to the following three:

  1. draining - when you know that the other side is closing, this is just to
    absorb stray packets

  2. closing - when you have initiated the close and you need to re-send the
    close in addition to absorbing stray packets (this could be longer than the
    3RTO period if we like, but I've opted for keeping a shared timer)

  3. timed out - when you timed out, and you are willing to revive the connection
    if new packets arrive; this one being optional

In the process I realized that we needed greater clarity about how to respond
to a closing frame (thanks to @huitema for the prompting). I allow the
recipient to generate one closing frame, but no more than that. They enter the
draining period thereafter and can't send any more packets. Having two peers
in the closing state could result in a constant back-and-forth.

Editorial: I added the term "closing frame" to cover CONNECTION_CLOSE and
APPLICATION_CLOSE collectively, which were getting cumbersome.

Closes #871.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/899

Commit Summary

  • Rework draining period into two (or three) states

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----==_mimepart_59f01f2643931_1f4a3f9eb7fcef28285d0-- From nobody Tue Oct 24 22:23:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27AC31398CA for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 22:23:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U3v3A0RMKFnx for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 22:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1889139605 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 22:23:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=lzbU4iGDTb+biIBQu8vGzoeNkpY=; b=dVeHcRLLGF3La5YF o1JXicSGYLnimgOJuzivxnS3B1q9URufolIJ6AtYyqNQlgnhco/50vWttmkfkgrN 9lrElF4uRAvX4pnoqi/3QVdYsgEM7/AbKyh/1HFQ6dAGFQfrAMeVOWvsfuCKj0h4 7Fie/XJ5zrnvRWqgGL2q53y5v8s= Received: by filter0073p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0073p1iad2-29160-59F01FE6-B 2017-10-25 05:23:50.884032889 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0010p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id QJxEJWUSRHiPZbLMtUzvwA for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 05:23:51.291 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 05:23:51 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] You don't always need the draining period (#871) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59f01fe72a574_3d453f8a6fa44f28919b6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1ZMjQkkzCFmUUFTNGdtNxluPDDhukMtKMA92 UTiE81u5LdMlxFjuU3eCZvWU4N9OIxrriiktKUfYbXEcgleFoDkEwN0Wr6p9wJ2REspOERmILORhr6 qyXIHxqWxYPo6qc7dEgYs/dv4fQlObQGf4acilSrQAAxplfdaNWhZBf2yENgI36mXc93buob0A5q1N 8= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 05:23:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59f01fe72a574_3d453f8a6fa44f28919b6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that I've addressed these comments in a new PR. I agree with @ekr that splitting the states makes things clearer. I've also tried to address the confusion that @huitema had. To answer the questions: > There is a related issue about entering a draining period after idle timeout. How is that a different behavior from adding 3*RTO to the idle timeout period? The difference would be that you tell the application that the connection is done with after the idle timeout runs out, which might result in the packets being poorly handled otherwise. The draining period would remain to ensure that the other side didn't somehow send just before their timer ran down. #899 allows a bit of flexibility here, and likely could be made more concrete in future, but all possibilities are allowed (drop the packets, send a CONNECTION_CLOSE, or even revive the connection). > the text does not explicitly say what the receiver of the CONNECTION_CLOSE shall do It sort of did say that you can just go away if you string things together, but I think that was a mistake. You might receive reordered packets after the close, so you should hang around still. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/871#issuecomment-339218011 ----==_mimepart_59f01fe72a574_3d453f8a6fa44f28919b6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think that I've addressed these comments in a new PR. I agree with @ekr that split= ting the states makes things clearer. I've also tried to address the confu= sion that @hu= itema had.

To answer the questions:

There is a related issue about entering a draining period after idle tim= eout. How is that a different behavior from adding 3*RTO to the idle timeou= t period?

The difference would be that you tell the application that the connectio= n is done with after the idle timeout runs out, which might result in the p= ackets being poorly handled otherwise. The draining period would remain to= ensure that the other side didn't somehow send just before their timer ran= down. #899 allows a b= it of flexibility here, and likely could be made more concrete in future, b= ut all possibilities are allowed (drop the packets, send a CONNECTION_CLOSE= , or even revive the connection).

the text does not explicitly say what the receiver of the CONNECTION_CLO= SE shall do

It sort of did say that you can just go away if you string things togeth= er, but I think that was a mistake. You might receive reordered packets af= ter the close, so you should hang around still.

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= ----==_mimepart_59f01fe72a574_3d453f8a6fa44f28919b6-- From nobody Tue Oct 24 22:58:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405A413B0F4 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 22:58:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FSL-yOEdvuqQ for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 22:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 709D913915C for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2017 22:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 22:58:06 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1508911086; bh=Adg7JMUQKFDxxlc0s8bhWbhm5F9X3bBA6WZozQYBJ/c=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=n2YJNnKeghHETeKj3dHHAM6wP6QGGvQmP6atAWAByPhfSzOZ5YhnBkIgTy1QmxLyP wJOoyQmpKmCbQU9ri4Fng8q3OgTQteXWVL0u/8zTAIER6+8tQf+CN0WB7vG8dwDdYn 3Kba+e7OGiUst7vI45K4Mu/KH67D73PGul51dNYU= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Implicitly opened streams add complexity (#896) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59f027ee91341_631a3fc0c7c6af303423b8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 05:58:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59f027ee91341_631a3fc0c7c6af303423b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's my take on this, noting that I don't actually care for the complexity, see below: In-order opening ensures that the passive endpoint (the one not opening streams) isn't surprised. Ordered opens ensures that it is possible to look at the largest stream ID and the set of open streams and make decisions about what to put in MAX_STREAM_ID. Without that, you have to account for unopened streams as well or you might be surprised when the opening peer uses all those streams. We can't enforce in order opening in the general case in the presence of loss. If two packets are lost containing the frames that open streams X and X + i, the recipient has no way of knowing which packet contained which frame. And once you get to retransmissions, either could appear first. That doesn't help a great deal with implicit opening. The reason that I think we have implicit open is largely as a consequence of being able to assume in order opening. If X+3i opens, then you can safely assume that you just missed the packets for X+2i and proceed on that basis. It might be that the endpoint can perform resource allocations, and bump MAX_STREAM_DATA based on its new understanding of what streams are in use. I tend to see implicit opens as not being absolutely necessary, but rather creating an incentive to use streams in order. In most protocols, there's not a lot you can do with an implicitly opened stream, but @ekr shared an example of one protocol that can use the information. I think that @ekr's point about opening as a distinct action from the transmission of data is an interesting one that we should consider separately. As much as I love huge-ball-of-string protocol engineering, it seems like we can make a decision about the use case without drawing all this mess into the discussion. In the general case we don't want to rely on implicit signals for that, though it seems reasonable to allow implicit signals to be used in the event that we decide to retain the idea of implicit open. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/896#issuecomment-339223186 ----==_mimepart_59f027ee91341_631a3fc0c7c6af303423b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Here's my take on this, noting that I don't actually care for the comp= lexity, see below:

In-order opening ensures that the passive endpoint (the one not openin= g streams) isn't surprised. Ordered opens ensures that it is possible to= look at the largest stream ID and the set of open streams and make decis= ions about what to put in MAX_STREAM_ID. Without that, you have to accou= nt for unopened streams as well or you might be surprised when the openin= g peer uses all those streams.

We can't enforce in order opening in the general case in the presence = of loss. If two packets are lost containing the frames that open streams= X and X + i, the recipient has no way of knowing which packet contained = which frame. And once you get to retransmissions, either could appear fi= rst.

That doesn't help a great deal with implicit opening. The reason that= I think we have implicit open is largely as a consequence of being able = to assume in order opening. If X+3i opens, then you can safely assume th= at you just missed the packets for X+2i and proceed on that basis. It mi= ght be that the endpoint can perform resource allocations, and bump MAX_S= TREAM_DATA based on its new understanding of what streams are in use.

=

I tend to see implicit opens as not being absolutely necessary, but ra= ther creating an incentive to use streams in order.

In most protocols, there's not a lot you can do with an implicitly ope= ned stream, but @ekr shared an example of one protocol that can use the information.=

I think that @ekr's point about opening as a distinct action from the transmissio= n of data is an interesting one that we should consider separately. As m= uch as I love huge-ball-of-string protocol engineering, it seems like we = can make a decision about the use case without drawing all this mess into= the discussion. In the general case we don't want to rely on implicit s= ignals for that, though it seems reasonable to allow implicit signals to = be used in the event that we decide to retain the idea of implicit open.<= /p>

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= ----==_mimepart_59f027ee91341_631a3fc0c7c6af303423b8-- From nobody Wed Oct 25 05:17:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4302F1377B3 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 05:17:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.52 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.52 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gBhMW1Qux9OC for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 05:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext8.iad.github.net [192.30.252.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E47613B2B2 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 05:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 05:17:11 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1508933831; bh=vkqiOP01CXs/u8twu+94pSkBYhZm3yBMmjfygFXBg9k=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LcylTCc0LgwPa1xEsmvYPX8/HGcc6o4wyt/d9ymP6ddUd17GH8zgHGNnFj9xwnESl gS0fVJOwonfet79BA3dUs6pSWCqYzP5qxJTXobt8+JQvw01wzxoFiuno4qyXBdyRKN UfHDAs/XIVjTSzul3zlWNE3QxxgEivLOJST3iMyU= From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] PMTUD details (#614) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59f080c762521_34493fe4eafb6f30305f9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 12:17:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59f080c762521_34493fe4eafb6f30305f9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinduke I have also re-read RFC 4821. And I first of all I think being explicit on the things you consider redundant is the better approach. This from the aspect, that if we can spend time to write a sentence or two, and save time and get more consistent behavior from implementations it is well spent time in my view. Additional issues worth discussing in the text are: - ICMP verification for any received Message to too Big (Not only relevant for PMTUD). This is likely rather straightforward, but do require the QUIC implementation to be able to match the truncated part of the encrypted QUIC packet against itself. This likely implies storing X number of bytes of the encrypted packet for this verification. Or will we actually use any encryption that will be able to perform partial decryption and use that to verify that these initial bytes matches valid QUIC headers? - Issues with setting DF bit from user land (as SHOULD requirement) in 4821. It is somewhat discussed in RFC4821, but clearly an issue for many QUIC implementations. What advancements since 4821 is it worth bringing up here? - Storage and reuse of PMTUD information in stack instance releated to differnet paths. Applies for multi-path as well as implementations opening a number of connections. At a minimum a clear definition of what QUIC semantics corresponds to a path, and thus can have different MTU values. - For user-land QUIC implementation it can actually be a bit of a challenge to correctly know how much headers would be added. A challenging example would be QUIC over ICE in a WebRTC context. Where it is actually the ICE stack that controlls which path and what headers and NAT/FW traversal mechanism are in place, such as TURN that changes the header overhead between candidate pairs. This is in relation to RFC 4821 Section 5.1. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/614#issuecomment-339310716 ----==_mimepart_59f080c762521_34493fe4eafb6f30305f9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@mart= induke I have also re-read RFC 4821. And I first of all I think being= explicit on the things you consider redundant is the better approach. Th= is from the aspect, that if we can spend time to write a sentence or two,= and save time and get more consistent behavior from implementations it i= s well spent time in my view.

Additional issues worth discussing in the text are:

  • ICMP verification for any received Message to too Big (Not only releva= nt for PMTUD). This is likely rather straightforward, but do require the = QUIC implementation to be able to match the truncated part of the encrypt= ed QUIC packet against itself. This likely implies storing X number of by= tes of the encrypted packet for this verification. Or will we actually us= e any encryption that will be able to perform partial decryption and use = that to verify that these initial bytes matches valid QUIC headers?

  • Issues with setting DF bit from user land (as SHOULD requirement) in 4= 821. It is somewhat discussed in RFC4821, but clearly an issue for many Q= UIC implementations. What advancements since 4821 is it worth bringing up= here?

  • Storage and reuse of PMTUD information in stack instance releated to d= iffernet paths. Applies for multi-path as well as implementations opening= a number of connections. At a minimum a clear definition of what QUIC se= mantics corresponds to a path, and thus can have different MTU values.

  • For user-land QUIC implementation it can actually be a bit of a challe= nge to correctly know how much headers would be added. A challenging exam= ple would be QUIC over ICE in a WebRTC context. Where it is actually the = ICE stack that controlls which path and what headers and NAT/FW traversal= mechanism are in place, such as TURN that changes the header overhead be= tween candidate pairs. This is in relation to RFC 4821 Section 5.1.

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@larseggert because there's no reason to repeat that mistake? It's annoying and bug-attracting to do modulo arithmetic everywhere in the code.

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----==_mimepart_59f0e41d4199a_72873fd4c2526f3011298b-- From nobody Wed Oct 25 14:11:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10BA8137C4A for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 14:11:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.52 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.52 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uYuAG16C5ESj for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 14:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext8.iad.github.net [192.30.252.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C03713A0AB for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 14:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 14:11:27 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1508965887; bh=q4JJtd3qb2d9FK/0ds4c3mHDjnFT5OjEucBT8Swu2UY=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=d9TFJfgGR0Kas+xC1T/Di1F9qFvG/ucnctmj8kuvPnm95Bk4rzWlwQTyeh63xYTkd kdznhvJgdo0utC8m+gO4SOene3UIJyqmcwW1XoERfeI8eYQmn4J1tsgmXh6bn89wYH NHycwirZdAsjvyO5WV0c3rucGpeHr0m6DhM69fyI= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rework draining period into two (or three) states (#899) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59f0fdffba592_25eb3fd103ee4f30286813"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 21:11:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59f0fdffba592_25eb3fd103ee4f30286813 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit huitema commented on this pull request. Good idea, but we need to scrub this a bit, and clearly distinguish: * Closing: MUST move to "draining" if closing packet is received. MAY respond with closing packet if some other frames are received. * Draining: MUST remain strictly silent until end of period. No connection close packet, no stateless reset packet. Just absorb the traffic and drop it. > -endpoint maintains in this case, it MAY send the exact same packet. However, -endpoints SHOULD limit the number of packets they generate containing either -close frame. For instance, an endpoint could progressively increase the number -of packets that it receives before sending additional packets. +An endpoint sends a closing frame, either CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE, +to terminate the connection immediately. Either closing frame causes all open +streams to immediately become closed; open streams can be assumed to be +implicitly reset. + +After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter a closing period. +After receiving a closing frame, endpoints enter a draining period. An endpoint +that receives a closing frame MAY send a single closing frame before entering a +draining period, but MUST NOT send further packets, which could result in a +constant exchange of closing frames until the closing period on either peer +ended. + "An endpoint may send a closing frame..." Can we not be a bit more specific? APPLICATION_CLOSE is supposedly only sent at the application request. We are discussing here a frame that is sent automatically by the transport. One can argue that it should be a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. As for the Ping-Pong effect, how about having a specific reason code, "Connection closed by peer"? > +implicitly reset. + +After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter a closing period. +After receiving a closing frame, endpoints enter a draining period. An endpoint +that receives a closing frame MAY send a single closing frame before entering a +draining period, but MUST NOT send further packets, which could result in a +constant exchange of closing frames until the closing period on either peer +ended. + +During the draining period, an endpoint that sends a closing frame SHOULD +respond to any subsequent packet that it receives with another packet containing +either closing frame. To reduce the state that an endpoint maintains in this +case, it MAY send the exact same packet. However, endpoints SHOULD limit the +number of packets they generate containing a closing frame. For instance, an +endpoint could progressively increase the number of packets that it receives +before sending additional packets. Are we confusing draining and closing in this paragraph? This looks like the suggested behavior during the "closing" period, not the draining period. During the draining period, the application is supposed to just ignore any incoming packet and not respond at all, including not responding with a closing packet or a stateless reset packet. > -Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is -in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed. An endpoint -that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a -CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame. +Disposing of connection state prior to the end of the draining period could +result in delayed or reordered packets to be handled poorly. Endpoints that +have some alternative means to ensure that late-arriving packets on the +connection do not create QUIC state, such as by closing the UDP socket, MAY use +an abbreviated draining period which can allow for faster resource recovery. +Servers that retain an open socket for accepting new connections SHOULD NOT exit +the draining period early. We may want to be a bit more specific about what connection state can be disposed of when entering the closing period. Implementations can probably just drop all information about unacknowledged packets, received packets or streams, but they need to be able to receive packets and decrypt them. If they don't do that, they won't be able to parse the incoming packet and notice arrival of a closing frame. As for the draining period, state management becomes simpler with the new definition. The implementation just needs to remember the old connection ID, and guarantee that it won't send any packet for that connection ID until the end of the draining -- including not sending any stateless reset packet. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/899#pullrequestreview-72008409 ----==_mimepart_59f0fdffba592_25eb3fd103ee4f30286813 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@huitema commented on this pull request.

Good idea, but we need to scrub this a bit, and clearly distinguish:

  • Closing: MUST move to "draining" if closing packet is received. MAY respond with closing packet if some other frames are received.
  • Draining: MUST remain strictly silent until end of period. No connection close packet, no stateless reset packet. Just absorb the traffic and drop it.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -endpoint maintains in this case, it MAY send the exact same packet.  However,
-endpoints SHOULD limit the number of packets they generate containing either
-close frame.  For instance, an endpoint could progressively increase the number
-of packets that it receives before sending additional packets.
+An endpoint sends a closing frame, either CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE,
+to terminate the connection immediately.  Either closing frame causes all open
+streams to immediately become closed; open streams can be assumed to be
+implicitly reset.
+
+After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter a closing period.
+After receiving a closing frame, endpoints enter a draining period.  An endpoint
+that receives a closing frame MAY send a single closing frame before entering a
+draining period, but MUST NOT send further packets, which could result in a
+constant exchange of closing frames until the closing period on either peer
+ended.
+

"An endpoint may send a closing frame..." Can we not be a bit more specific? APPLICATION_CLOSE is supposedly only sent at the application request. We are discussing here a frame that is sent automatically by the transport. One can argue that it should be a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.

As for the Ping-Pong effect, how about having a specific reason code, "Connection closed by peer"?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +implicitly reset.
+
+After sending a closing frame, endpoints immediately enter a closing period.
+After receiving a closing frame, endpoints enter a draining period.  An endpoint
+that receives a closing frame MAY send a single closing frame before entering a
+draining period, but MUST NOT send further packets, which could result in a
+constant exchange of closing frames until the closing period on either peer
+ended.
+
+During the draining period, an endpoint that sends a closing frame SHOULD
+respond to any subsequent packet that it receives with another packet containing
+either closing frame.  To reduce the state that an endpoint maintains in this
+case, it MAY send the exact same packet.  However, endpoints SHOULD limit the
+number of packets they generate containing a closing frame.  For instance, an
+endpoint could progressively increase the number of packets that it receives
+before sending additional packets.

Are we confusing draining and closing in this paragraph? This looks like the suggested behavior during the "closing" period, not the draining period. During the draining period, the application is supposed to just ignore any incoming packet and not respond at all, including not responding with a closing packet or a stateless reset packet.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Different treatment is given to packets that are received while a connection is
-in the draining period depending on how the connection was closed.  An endpoint
-that is in a draining period MUST NOT send packets unless they contain a
-CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE frame.
+Disposing of connection state prior to the end of the draining period could
+result in delayed or reordered packets to be handled poorly.  Endpoints that
+have some alternative means to ensure that late-arriving packets on the
+connection do not create QUIC state, such as by closing the UDP socket, MAY use
+an abbreviated draining period which can allow for faster resource recovery.
+Servers that retain an open socket for accepting new connections SHOULD NOT exit
+the draining period early.

We may want to be a bit more specific about what connection state can be disposed of when entering the closing period. Implementations can probably just drop all information about unacknowledged packets, received packets or streams, but they need to be able to receive packets and decrypt them. If they don't do that, they won't be able to parse the incoming packet and notice arrival of a closing frame.

As for the draining period, state management becomes simpler with the new definition. The implementation just needs to remember the old connection ID, and guarantee that it won't send any packet for that connection ID until the end of the draining -- including not sending any stateless reset packet.

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----==_mimepart_59f0fdffba592_25eb3fd103ee4f30286813-- From nobody Wed Oct 25 14:39:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE04E1390EE for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 14:39:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.116 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.116 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dF-4ZjQRsgSD for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 14:39:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 253CC132055 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 14:39:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 14:39:25 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1508967565; bh=PWgXaZ7OuLBDmUTI9SI+kO3AU/dhigWn39nHKmVwaZc=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=UjYRLyTFWfnHauWz2TCnXVCJYYG/Frna1hPgDR5frZ5MFFVC08u0jNs3Zjb9EoO1y sehN79g+2D3RiPSYBAjj44CGBl4WeJUsAdu00OqZkF7qTRveGQQVgu53QgOOnVJi4h GNeD7O+ZBBh1NKp8VGgCb0sfQLdL2XaXkB2Un1E8= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] SNI encryption (#795) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59f1048d73645_50d53f995e128f2c320e5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 21:39:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59f1048d73645_50d53f995e128f2c320e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Secondary certificates seems like a good way to achieve this for HTTP/* over TLS. Put your CERTIFICATE_REQUEST for the real hostname in 0-RTT data. A more general possibility would be the "tls1.3" ALPN token, where you carry a TLS 1.3 session on Stream 1, with the ClientHello (in 0-RTT data if you can) and use of other streams is discouraged or prohibited. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/795#issuecomment-339479877 ----==_mimepart_59f1048d73645_50d53f995e128f2c320e5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Secondary certificates seems like a good way to achieve this for HTTP/= * over TLS. Put your CERTIFICATE_REQUEST for the real hostname in 0-RTT = data. A more general possibility would be the "tls1.3" ALPN token, where= you carry a TLS 1.3 session on Stream 1, with the ClientHello (in 0-RTT = data if you can) and use of other streams is discouraged or prohibited.

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wrote:

> Secondary certificates seems like a good way to achieve this for HTT= P/*
> over TLS. Put your CERTIFICATE_REQUEST for the real hostname in 0-RT= T data.
> A more general possibility would be the "tls1.3" ALPN toke= n, where you
> carry a TLS 1.3 session on Stream 1, with the ClientHello (in 0-RTT = data if
> you can) and use of other streams is discouraged or prohibited.
>
> I think that means that the ALPN token can't be used to select t= he
protocol. When we get to the point of having multiple protocols, some subset of which might be present but served by different back end
processes, that could pose a problem. Would you be okay with
$PROTOCOL.tls1.3 as a pattern? That can still get you to the point where=
the server name is encrypted, even if the protocol is known to anyone abl= e
to observe the ALPN token.

Ted



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-recovery says this:

Handshake frames may be cancelled by handshake state transitions. In
particular, all non-protected frames SHOULD be no longer be transmitted once
packet protection is available.

This is not entirely true. A client might have (1-RTT) packet protection keys, but it still needs to retransmit its Finished (and Certificate), which are protected with the static keys.

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----==_mimepart_59f11945ee13b_193603f9f76280f28986e5-- From nobody Wed Oct 25 16:22:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B09D0139AB1 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 16:22:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id orUZAOMNnHLv for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 16:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D01A13F4C8 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 16:22:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 16:22:14 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1508973734; bh=nuLT5fJ0kHPu0X5aXSbgj/7rP8xcgXzhSamXWeagwfo=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ynQN9FQT17phrfIoNrDdKDyJbIOdm3uNcKwr6RDv1nuSw+uuy6m17k3Hs75fK2/42 5u56uyrfh85PDdIYS+wvhI3XaSdBDz/IGh6ndgEEyjp2ItLQ13CFkAa07KM4MJAb1+ nYGS5/f1yx8BV/b1xilXUdrmhet1JGNXhklviHLg= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] SNI encryption (#795) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59f11ca63e860_47493f9a5490ef381173de"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 23:22:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59f11ca63e860_47493f9a5490ef381173de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The issue here is not whether we expose the use of a particular protocol. Those tend to have small cardinality, so don't tend to compromise K-anonymity much by their exposure. But I wouldn't shift the load to ALPN. If any protocol can build similar capabilities to what is proposed for HTTP, then they benefit from the same advantages vis-a-vis SNI protection. If a generic capability is what is needed, I don't think that ALPN is where I would start looking, I'd build a QUIC extension in some form. An extension would either replicate the HTTP/2 certificates functionality, or do QUIC-in-QUIC in some way (probably by putting TLS in a stream and then exporting new keys when it is done and using a key update to manage their installation). Christian and ekr have done some work here and have a few options in their TLS doc. Some, if not all, of the basic designs work for QUIC. None of them use ALPN, which would create an undesirable secondary signal. (Also, every time someone suggests we make ALPN anything other than opaque, I cringe.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/795#issuecomment-339503516 ----==_mimepart_59f11ca63e860_47493f9a5490ef381173de Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The issue here is not whether we expose the use of a particular protoc= ol. Those tend to have small cardinality, so don't tend to compromise K-= anonymity much by their exposure. But I wouldn't shift the load to ALPN.=

If any protocol can build similar capabilities to what is proposed for= HTTP, then they benefit from the same advantages vis-a-vis SNI protectio= n. If a generic capability is what is needed, I don't think that ALPN is= where I would start looking, I'd build a QUIC extension in some form.

An extension would either replicate the HTTP/2 certificates functional= ity, or do QUIC-in-QUIC in some way (probably by putting TLS in a stream = and then exporting new keys when it is done and using a key update to man= age their installation). Christian and ekr have done some work here and = have a few options in their TLS doc. Some, if not all, of the basic desi= gns work for QUIC. None of them use ALPN, which would create an undesira= ble secondary signal.

(Also, every time someone suggests we make ALPN anything other than op= aque, I cringe.)

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-While STOP_SENDING frames are retransmittable, an implementation MAY choose not
-to retransmit a lost STOP_SENDING frame if the stream has already been closed
-in the appropriate direction since the frame was first generated.
-See {{packetization}}.
+STOP_SENDING can only be sent for a receive stream that has not been
+reset. STOP_SENDING is most useful for streams in the "Recv" or "Size Known"
+states.
+
+An endpoint is expected to send STOP_SENDING frames if packets containing the
+frame are lost.  However, once either all stream data has been received or a
+RST_STREAM frame - that is, any receive stream state other than "Recv" or "Size
+Known" - sending the frame is not necessary.

Can this be formulated more clearly? I think the paragraph is discussing retransmission while avoiding using the loaded term. E.g. what does "the frame is lost" mean? Which frame is lost? Does it mean something like: A STOP_SENDING frame should be retransmitted in case of packet loss until acknowledged or a FIN or RST_STREAM signal has been received.

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----==_mimepart_59f12dcead51f_364d3fc98c9bef342437b1-- From nobody Wed Oct 25 18:47:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0EDE1395F3 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 18:47:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g-vLl1Xw7VL3 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 18:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA9B513B144 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 18:47:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=RFKhdIJK3vDh2PRW+lB8K1M1slg=; b=mPvOzSxD0qAvLKy0 Hz/tgz61MivGf6ZptKkzHFytkQraTBl74sxHQKrFcYF5kU9xd7T7F/CcHEVG8hm5 PTR+ua8ikHe8JNHPLGuWnk3IiXr4nB14JIrGXLW76h725vefZndA5u70ibcakd+k XDVPK9uLqo843SWz4JvgH3YSn30= Received: by filter0956p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0956p1mdw1-26824-59F13E9F-1C 2017-10-26 01:47:11.927507197 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0007p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id CJ8yt-tIRAW1tUIIsGyBLw for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 01:47:11.851 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 01:47:12 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stream open as a signal (#901) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59f13e9fbda0d_33793fc32c6cef38594950"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1vvw2GTIkVXIKh+yv9/ZdvZr6oG+Ib4J4kQm Lv6B+Ix8hfEivlrEKw1zdZaxs9fcwj8zuMihWHdcbndSvRCJvyE1cA2Iu5wBBDHK13t7nRlZK7Qhbe pZqEagr6wrgZgyKbqNHkG2viB8RYjxNvYZnVQKbafb3tb5fwwaeS/mm+QO/u0vN5QWBJJPzKPh7pV6 4= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 01:47:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59f13e9fbda0d_33793fc32c6cef38594950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We currently don't allow for an empty STREAM frame unless it closes the stream. But that prevents mapping of TCP-based protocols that rely on the connection open as a signal to a server to start transmission. In protocols where a server speaks first, the client initiates the connection (i.e., stream), and the opening of that connection/stream signals to the server to start sending. Should we permit the sending of an empty STREAM frame at the beginning of a stream as well as the end? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/901 ----==_mimepart_59f13e9fbda0d_33793fc32c6cef38594950 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

We currently don't allow for an empty STREAM frame unless it closes the stream. But that prevents mapping of TCP-based protocols that rely on the connection open as a signal to a server to start transmission. In protocols where a server speaks first, the client initiates the connection (i.e., stream), and the opening of that connection/stream signals to the server to start sending.

Should we permit the sending of an empty STREAM frame at the beginning of a stream as well as the end?

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Actually you could send MAX_STREAM_DATA.

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That seems like a bit of an abuse. We permit MAX_STREAM_DATA to open = a stream only because it might be reordered ahead of STREAM/STREAM_BLOCKE= D. On the other hand, we could put STREAM_BLOCKED in that same bucket if= an empty STREAM frame was permissible - in other words, you might tolera= te receiving STREAM_BLOCKED ahead of STREAM, but it's not the way you ope= n a stream.

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There's that. And I'm OK if we do it otherwise, but then let's be very clear about it, to avoid confusing TCP-heads like myself.

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I don't disagree that it's a bit of an abuse. I'm just pointing out that the protocol permits it.

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This seems like a reasonable idea to me. And yes, using MAX_STREAM_DATA or another frame is definitely an abuse, even if it is permitted.

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I think martin's suggestion is the right thing to do - allow offset 0 to be empty

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I also think it seems reasonable to allow an offset 0 frame to be empty.

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+1! Let's just use octets.

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@ianswett approved this pull request.

I'm happy with merging this, minus the one "indicating specifying" editorial nit I commented on.

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Thanks for writing this up -- this PR LGTM.

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----==_mimepart_59f2393644287_28603fccf1daef282696e6-- From nobody Thu Oct 26 12:36:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A20B713F452 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 12:36:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.473 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.473 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HToePm99h0GV for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 12:36:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext4.iad.github.net [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48E6F13F43D for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 12:36:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 12:36:47 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1509046607; bh=dQjUUJV4sjU8URfoMMkvRc9wlLKyHikO5oc7ktiBhuk=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=UOYda9EEJCFwx2nU57Nl8EhJoNN/Tit495XqeIpD7ZH3rGIdfmjqAhbAR4gtz9Ip4 Xq/gSqEMFF6vJTU898gC0aXnwCZyYrL3U8pHWdkpZz6sJaTyf4a9RUMFkhNXrIKzH/ HiYH5qg5hKoy5hly7G3brDvVYammt2xrMpw7o/7c= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Unidirectional and bidirectional streams (#885) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59f2394f996e6_5fa3fb72322af28477458"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 19:36:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59f2394f996e6_5fa3fb72322af28477458 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar approved this pull request. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/885#pullrequestreview-72315299 ----==_mimepart_59f2394f996e6_5fa3fb72322af28477458 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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I think this is good to go. We have agreement on #885, so let's land this and then land that one. I'll wait 24 hours and then merge.

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----==_mimepart_59f2398c50b96_638d3fb6d1490f30216859-- From nobody Thu Oct 26 13:02:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16992138AEE for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 13:02:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.018 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.018 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n3jpePG5XWDs for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 13:02:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C34B6139435 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 13:02:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=Cl1VSocEoENY8qI775TGsn1nvrM=; b=v04HvJBUf66vTdsq P7pBJ8xmNYAhfGGKcHXfn/ThPcTvIXZcWXqsLjE4kEuCJAD0ME5FzhjCDiL7rkS7 3ey1difP3HPNvvWhYbzMdcH6gckwnWbhnaaqOrl3ijU6Odu8GlkNc6AH1EOzQfun pzucYyWLysKKcoOTO5NBZGbC3I8= Received: by filter0926p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0926p1mdw1-23356-59F23F3F-17 2017-10-26 20:02:07.465925829 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0007p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id EvK7n3jpQRWSu6ukLZXdrg for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 20:02:07.447 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 20:02:07 +0000 (UTC) From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Implicitly opened streams add complexity (#896) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59f23f3f4c01e_f963fb844eb2f302576f6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0s7EFk3Rtvau0+EMDhinoyvZ29CoOYzPOv3W Ul2foYYyj0K7IULCwKD65/5A4w+k7w+XbOwZlELkm4LwaqYL+pZBs4d4EnqKb/bK8uqeKmKOHJv4pb Pkf4JClXBKC8kgTW3nnw1QzDm1e8Cn4XvUbuEZNJFnweXE7H9aYMsmQLnpkA94X35cnIlRan+ctxWO E= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 20:02:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59f23f3f4c01e_f963fb844eb2f302576f6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Explicit signals are definitely better than implicit in my book, but I agree we want to encourage in order stream usage. MAX_STREAM_ID removes our need to count the number of open streams, so we don't have to move reserved streams into the open state immediately. In the case of TCP, there is an explicit signal, which is a TCP handshake. QUIC has explicit signals too(STREAM frames), so we should use them. Martin raised a good point about empty stream frame potentially being useful here(#901). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/896#issuecomment-339784080 ----==_mimepart_59f23f3f4c01e_f963fb844eb2f302576f6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Explicit signals are definitely better than implicit in my book, but I a= gree we want to encourage in order stream usage. MAX_STREAM_ID removes our= need to count the number of open streams, so we don't have to move reserve= d streams into the open state immediately.

In the case of TCP, there is an explicit signal, which is a TCP handshak= e. QUIC has explicit signals too(STREAM frames), so we should use them. M= artin raised a good point about empty stream frame potentially being useful= here(#901).

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The long header doesn't have any option for the KEY_PHASE.
I guess removing this was forgotten in #857 (but was wrong already, the corresponding packets types would have been 0x07 and 0x08, not 0x06 and 0x07).

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  • fix KEY_PHASE bit on long header

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OnPacketSentCC is not called for is_ack_only packet, which means that they don't increase bytes_in_flight. However, when bytes_in_flight is reduced in OnPacketAckedCC and OnPacketsLost, no so such check is performed. This causes bytes_in_flight to eventually go negative.

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----==_mimepart_59f33b23420cf_18453f857e21ef38759b2-- From nobody Fri Oct 27 08:59:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C032313F5AA for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2017 08:59:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3j4xZeupPh3i for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2017 08:59:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext7.iad.github.net [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4213138BD6 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2017 08:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 08:59:18 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1509119958; bh=cmeukb7kfXG2bJAJl432jGgNm5mRUOy4/qN34qKr4co=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=mVTbG/IHZOe/DtiRv73ttr4qexCi2Vpom7uIODk5+/Ek9i03c5nOjoP/SFG8ajBTT sNnJpUzcJSmYrSGJNN9SLBP817YOp20FuRBjP2bEpeJYZIFjRBeVtrkyw8Qg5gzRae JO6K+OgRJQxzYq3qtsv2lRXmZXwLdzdA0GbCKY0I= From: afrind Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Unidirectional and bidirectional streams (#885) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59f357d699b9a_116f3fea0c960f381258c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: afrind X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 15:59:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59f357d699b9a_116f3fea0c960f381258c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit afrind commented on this pull request. > -the client or even-numbered for the server) but which it has not yet -created, it MUST close the connection with error code STREAM_STATE_ERROR. +ID. The least significant two bits of the Stream ID are used to identify the +type of stream (unidirectional or bidirectional) and the initiator of the +stream. + +The least significant bit (0x1) of the Stream ID identifies the initiator of the +stream. Clients initiate even-numbered streams (those with the least +significant bit set to 0); servers initiate even-numbered streams (with the bit +set to 1). Separation of the stream identifiers ensures that client and server +are able to open streams without the latency imposed by negotiating for an +identifier. + +If an endpoint receives a frame for a stream that it expects to initiate (i.e., +odd-numbered for the client or even-numbered for the server), but which it has +not yet opened but which it has not yet created, it MUST close the connection Some duplicate text here 'but which it has not yet opened but which it has not yet created' -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/885#pullrequestreview-72551948 ----==_mimepart_59f357d699b9a_116f3fea0c960f381258c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@afrind commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -the client or even-numbered for the server) but which it has not yet
-created, it MUST close the connection with error code STREAM_STATE_ERROR.
+ID.  The least significant two bits of the Stream ID are used to identify the
+type of stream (unidirectional or bidirectional) and the initiator of the
+stream.
+
+The least significant bit (0x1) of the Stream ID identifies the initiator of the
+stream.  Clients initiate even-numbered streams (those with the least
+significant bit set to 0); servers initiate even-numbered streams (with the bit
+set to 1).  Separation of the stream identifiers ensures that client and server
+are able to open streams without the latency imposed by negotiating for an
+identifier.
+
+If an endpoint receives a frame for a stream that it expects to initiate (i.e.,
+odd-numbered for the client or even-numbered for the server), but which it has
+not yet opened but which it has not yet created, it MUST close the connection

Some duplicate text here 'but which it has not yet opened but which it has not yet created'

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----==_mimepart_59f357d699b9a_116f3fea0c960f381258c-- From nobody Fri Oct 27 15:50:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4117E13F555 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2017 15:50:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VWKLPDkh5hTA for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2017 15:50:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFDD51397F3 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2017 15:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 15:50:28 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1509144628; bh=WiFN7tfioak6Jlc9gimBOJNq3L5tLcgPbLf0kp0ULt4=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=w/TEvhLgchXHXc9QCLgT9Gje97JsARvB4C0t4G2OR/7A3oGHKPNt3qRr6JE4GS84g wTdfxRcBfMo9AeXrKB8JRrsg3zl+McctjtUHeWfwSg+O2iriYPrC0DeDI7z7kP8oFV t1mKj6F6rJfebyYDb3NoE4FUXAFeykxwkW1KydsA= From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Implicitly opened streams add complexity (#896) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59f3b83437463_8653fc8a79eaf34244383"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 22:50:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59f3b83437463_8653fc8a79eaf34244383 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is my take on this. 1. Streams MUST be created in order (by the creator) 2. As far as QUIC API is concerned, there is NO such thing as IMPLICITLY opened streams. There should not even be such a state documented in the spec. Instead, the non-creator side of the app should be prepared that streams will not be opened in order (due to reordering/loss). 3. As far as QUIC Transport _implementation_ is concerned, it is helpful to keep track of "unopened" streams before MAX_STREAM_ID to facilitate MAX_STREAM_ID updates. P.S. The violation of the MUST in (1) may not be detected reliably, but it may cause eventual starvation due to the lack of MAX_STREAM_ID updates. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/896#issuecomment-340115337 ----==_mimepart_59f3b83437463_8653fc8a79eaf34244383 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Here is my take on this.

  1. Streams MUST be created in order (by the creator)

  2. As far as QUIC API is concerned, there is NO such thing as IMPLICITLY = opened streams. There should not even be such a state documented in the = spec. Instead, the non-creator side of the app should be prepared that s= treams will not be opened in order (due to reordering/loss).

  3. As far as QUIC Transport implementation is concerned, it is h= elpful to keep track of "unopened" streams before MAX_STREAM_ID to facili= tate MAX_STREAM_ID updates.

P.S. The violation of the MUST in (1) may not be detected reliably, b= ut it may cause eventual starvation due to the lack of MAX_STREAM_ID upda= tes.

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----==_mimepart_59f6aa0fcc635_4bb73fc9c65e6f3068411f-- From nobody Sun Oct 29 21:27:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FFA813FD87 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 21:27:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.181 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.181 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F4-qL4v4cGi6 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 21:26:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AD9113F508 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2017 21:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 21:26:57 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1509337617; bh=jcioqKyF12PgQ2LTtYXkq8EZvL7/7uhunYU7DVSrPbo=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=FSZxrfYiQNgCGtOfYZyEVponPeNkZ84EfywRu9nq6mKaY2FpY75t2uVbCKK4H5xGn nOkvdaYoHl2AYd5MiEx7b48CuaNBi04E7aruejvKSwWfTCDgbUhUY5wB+A7Dt8lF8I /F46vDTlNwM5HIfaQEicVcMXV2sa2OgV+SU+oi+A= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Identify streams unidirectional vs bidirectional based on stream ID (#872) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59f6aa11be580_7b513fa3ed952f381126582"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 04:27:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59f6aa11be580_7b513fa3ed952f381126582 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #872. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/872#event-1315955608 ----==_mimepart_59f6aa11be580_7b513fa3ed952f381126582 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59f6aa0e39b23_def13fec903d1c3048439"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 04:36:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59f6aa0e39b23_def13fec903d1c3048439 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 820dd817c6842379c4cccd99c3d842097e6b1567 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/820dd817c6842379c4cccd99c3d842097e6b1567 Author: Ryan Hamilton Date: 2017-10-12 (Thu, 12 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Identify unidirectional streams by the 2nd bit in the stream ID Commit: 5061a15eb804b1c090fda3439fadbc12c58dfd3e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5061a15eb804b1c090fda3439fadbc12c58dfd3e Author: Ryan Hamilton Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Address nits Commit: a9b13de5d57ea4ffb82ac507931109275336cd3f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a9b13de5d57ea4ffb82ac507931109275336cd3f Author: Ryan Hamilton Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- invert Commit: 41372597f7ee9b7bb0cbb5d11690cfc6b84a5f70 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/41372597f7ee9b7bb0cbb5d11690cfc6b84a5f70 Author: Ryan Hamilton Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- clarify Commit: 07403710273bd18f1f5962b924b75344b3d70722 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/07403710273bd18f1f5962b924b75344b3d70722 Author: Ryan Hamilton Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- more Commit: afabe8a7596999ab4d49463cc144a618e4e184dc https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/afabe8a7596999ab4d49463cc144a618e4e184dc Author: Ryan Hamilton Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove unnecessary language Commit: 8fe436777d03444e06a04b9817a7b94b9a3489e6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8fe436777d03444e06a04b9817a7b94b9a3489e6 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-18 (Wed, 18 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'Unidirectional' of https://github.com/RyanAtGoogle/base-drafts into biuni-wat Commit: 82f6b8750cc02f33102778536d95bd22c088bd2f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/82f6b8750cc02f33102778536d95bd22c088bd2f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-18 (Wed, 18 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Unidirection and bidirectional streams This is #872 with some additional exposition and one significant change. Client-initiated streams are now EVEN. Server initiated streams are now ODD. This is a pretty noticeable change, because it inverts the current sign, and might cause some disruption in implementations. However, it makes stream 0 work within the framework better. It wasn't clear what Ryan's intent was with respect to numbering, but I wouldn't have noticed this until I noticed a conflict between prose and the table. Closes #643, #656, #720, #872, #175. This does not close the other issues that were addressed by #643, because this doesn't include any changes in the HTTP draft. I'll create a follow-up PR for that. Commit: f5b735a861075fbe261d0f8482e205d7cd558894 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f5b735a861075fbe261d0f8482e205d7cd558894 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-18 (Wed, 18 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fixup Commit: 442dc99647bfb200ac1534328008aa4d16fa7bb3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/442dc99647bfb200ac1534328008aa4d16fa7bb3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-19 (Thu, 19 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add article Commit: 3541a42a346b6c42b931b895ec5c31dbc2b68c66 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3541a42a346b6c42b931b895ec5c31dbc2b68c66 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-19 (Thu, 19 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Detail Commit: 665dc8b62955fd5115e83808143b1821bfa18ee0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/665dc8b62955fd5115e83808143b1821bfa18ee0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-30 (Mon, 30 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove duplication Commit: 20ce92f6843b85dd5a9b20b5330eee3ea25de3de https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/20ce92f6843b85dd5a9b20b5330eee3ea25de3de Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-30 (Mon, 30 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #885 from quicwg/biuni-wat Unidirectional and bidirectional streams Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/5b662dedc381...20ce92f6843b ----==_mimepart_59f6aa0e39b23_def13fec903d1c3048439-- From nobody Mon Oct 30 06:17:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87FD913F542 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 06:17:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.253 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.253 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CtvCvUPOlAgQ for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 06:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA19513AB12 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 06:16:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 06:16:58 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1509369418; bh=zAyJJ25j1O3SL9hfdS0C5yjY0IBUbqbg9FfcKwFc9KM=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=reG2hIHX4orqsF3DVi75XpzJ+Nz0JMcGnAM90/oh5gW/EBxoYN74R2bqMRXB7xqsX unQWDoGHmjT//TyE0CwvOj9TQ1ay3UTHxte1FoSOC8Y1tObE74S3VU3IQ3hO2iZeqJ E3kKRESCf+UJ1T0/BH686DLHpl6HVWqxKWNazBCY= From: Peter van Dijk Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Port 443 and IANA ports (#428) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59f7264a10352_2aa33f89d582cf28670c9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: Habbie X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 13:17:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59f7264a10352_2aa33f89d582cf28670c9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any news on this? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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----==_mimepart_59f7264a10352_2aa33f89d582cf28670c9-- From nobody Mon Oct 30 06:51:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3DAD13F9F2 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 06:51:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QzEI7N5cYB6R for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 06:51:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B51C713F9F3 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 06:51:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=4EEAbQh4IoQ/yh6OoyJRaWnYa98=; b=X+zo3Ojebhu5dOii VT6DgzivsRWtHb4L1yYhPtiQgEVOwdK5AQlrPjL0ibZc19/wh6MUYeTcjYy8sM8/ GozvqJe6SJN2E4xJ5fqoT7xSfwFd28kT+tfri6C/LhvLk4GBTm47j9v1smbqMGOU lR+37fx3qy9DqQtFSge43ytsKno= Received: by filter1235p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1235p1mdw1-11461-59F72E5B-17 2017-10-30 13:51:23.890730303 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id CSBHyo_FTJCmJbGBnhfP6Q for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 13:51:23.868 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 13:51:24 +0000 (UTC) From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP header compression: static table fit for QUIC (#904) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59f72e5bb6dc6_47b93f852fec2f2c203a3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3dDcFYL3TUGIA0AOZwcdeK1WPfGHRvidN1At uyk8EaF24DNYV3ElQRUuvfp9UAbVErxa70WEtDL32qOrWexyYJifU/H1aI0rST3fz2qqZZYKujUwEE izjy4bMQD2NfrJo/BisxfySOdN+5PGZ/bed2fkjoHfIKZDD8/FPNciXp2047fYtDCaU65lyzsbdCLg w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 13:51:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59f72e5bb6dc6_47b93f852fec2f2c203a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The HTTP header compression mechanism is still TBC but as I understand it, the proposals keep the same HPACK static table. This was formed from the "most frequent header fields used by popular web sites", and I wonder if that is still the case for today's web. For example, perhaps we'll see more usage of `alt-svc` in HTTP/QUIC, in order to keep the session active. One benefit to keeping the static table would be to allow implementation to reuse of their object representation of the table, however I don't know how realistic that would be. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/904 ----==_mimepart_59f72e5bb6dc6_47b93f852fec2f2c203a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The HTTP header compression mechanism is still TBC but as I understand it, the proposals keep the same HPACK static table. This was formed from the "most frequent header fields used by popular web sites", and I wonder if that is still the case for today's web. For example, perhaps we'll see more usage of alt-svc in HTTP/QUIC, in order to keep the session active.

One benefit to keeping the static table would be to allow implementation to reuse of their object representation of the table, however I don't know how realistic that would be.

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----==_mimepart_59f72e5bb6dc6_47b93f852fec2f2c203a3-- From nobody Mon Oct 30 07:03:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3291113F444 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 07:03:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LDoQLGKCQBCp for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 07:03:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7E0113B18D for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 07:03:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=FmLQtMPODpjoiwxa9NkJHgZgJH4=; b=LRjecokZAnch/5cV wIKGnsPHwxkPdxoV0XNZKQhZlKY89mKFnz2WJJ/OMccpKj3CzBwMN1opA5LE12gM hcma01eH1O1LBKW9q3RaL5IzPXUHaG3fJc3g0CYz55Qra9CskHWSFqu/bKhrLhOW MrVrzv+cvubI/2u/X+sZNzisL6M= Received: by filter0004p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0004p1iad2-11174-59F73140-3 2017-10-30 14:03:44.226553058 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0018p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id o4_LscUWTvqA54nPwy2GgA for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 14:03:44.264 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 14:03:44 +0000 (UTC) From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Port 443 and IANA ports (#428) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59f73140243c4_58b3fea04e5cf30114847"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1iONrioLcGJyaTLvfM4UWMw4/FrzcRh1i9At kDADDfC/AdvDFyx8VYWamFMEtQgHwNoRXJ3B11nfDEXXJJTLmlKQmGOtKGkrdmef8z5mekSqAI1mHM pLySw9OHIGgXCOYZq1Th1GWrodRwvJTzhTUr0bPbhycHxL+IdL4RjGf/ofxoSMRCERfXFJrwuqG1N7 I= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 14:03:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59f73140243c4_58b3fea04e5cf30114847 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #428. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/428#event-1316727363 ----==_mimepart_59f73140243c4_58b3fea04e5cf30114847 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Yes, it's assigned to the IESG now: https://www.iana.org/assignments/service-names-port-numbers/service-names-port-numbers.xhtml?search=443

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59f75678c9d1e_74da3fd50eccfc4032217"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 16:50:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59f75678c9d1e_74da3fd50eccfc4032217 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials Commit: 484d4e77dddd683d374d1941fc1f0ff8742dc8cc https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/commit/484d4e77dddd683d374d1941fc1f0ff8742dc8cc Author: Dmitri Tikhonov Date: 2017-10-30 (Mon, 30 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M interim-17-10/minutes.md Log Message: ----------- Dmitri is the mystery speaker concerned about tracking each byte Commit: 2483e4276576862101625158f6cc6ece85d97542 https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/commit/2483e4276576862101625158f6cc6ece85d97542 Author: Lars Eggert Date: 2017-10-30 (Mon, 30 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M interim-17-10/minutes.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #15 from dtikhonov/20171030-dmitri-is-the-mystery-speaker Dmitri is the mystery speaker concerned about tracking each byte Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/compare/47f8fdfe6667...2483e4276576 ----==_mimepart_59f75678c9d1e_74da3fd50eccfc4032217-- From nobody Mon Oct 30 13:08:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8255D13FB1F for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 13:08:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.473 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.473 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H5H2Tcpqnm_U for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 13:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext4.iad.github.net [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B559913F55A for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 12:58:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 12:58:43 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1509393523; bh=yMK+idKGg79pX1HcU4Cz0qnY00wsYY61czzmws+Y6Ik=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Ul1EohK+Axy6kKftnqN0VV67VVZoSeH+nwFRLHHP+o6kN20SiA1ay3wqXINcdsDgH T3EsGsIk6GoYAzyHUouzkzJJt8LjozNzBlP9lV8lw67ktqP8gC+QQEUQxGhj9M0ALh 3TUAgsVbLS4E9kgs67J6dycWrRDEYoVSoyq+mmEo= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP header compression: static table fit for QUIC (#904) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59f78473ccb2f_43093ffb1ede4f282602eb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 20:08:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59f78473ccb2f_43093ffb1ede4f282602eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Given it looks like the header compression will share little to no code with H2, I think this is worth considering. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Given it looks like the header compression will share little to no code with H2, I think this is worth considering.

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The other question(s) I meant to pose was: given that H2 has now seen = deployment experience, is there any telemetry on how the static and dynam= ic tables have been used? If so, could this be used to identify 'hot' ite= ms that make a better case for inclusion in the static table over other e= ntries?

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I'm somewhat worried that I missed something actually. Given that the changes are small, I think that I would prefer this over #887 for #877. The most interesting change here is that extension frame types that mention Stream IDs will have to change. I am not aware of any proposed thus far, so maybe it's not too much of a cost to bear. It further confirms my view that we shouldn't be using Stream IDs at this layer anyway. Based on this, I don't see any need for a middle-ground change. The biggest cost here is in taking the larger Stream ID space, not in taking the integer encoding. Commit: cdae8c393e691843e9e6efc939c2f398e2811312 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cdae8c393e691843e9e6efc939c2f398e2811312 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-30 (Mon, 30 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Missed a few fixed-size integers And a nit Commit: 8aaa5e076bbf745f3d36c1f032fbd641860fe899 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8aaa5e076bbf745f3d36c1f032fbd641860fe899 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-30 (Mon, 30 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- More fixed-size integer residue Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/7be15c0a4493...8aaa5e076bbf ----==_mimepart_59f7b41271c92_12fd3fe75cdf3c241831c9-- From nobody Mon Oct 30 16:22:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD756C938 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 16:22:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yKV3j7BeuMEg for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 16:22:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4398613FBF8 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 16:21:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=iBW5Vr4xqiQgcIXBagMUWuZQfNs=; b=HPpCRqXba3xYH7PZ vRkOsswvplcD8+ZwQYvIHAtqH6qzJzS77XINCDDDvA4GsXv9TMfws8yG2x4wFpNb qs2+VosVgbzF+xd+YK2847YhiuFR6YCCA77uG+N80r7MjfycvvVH+DOUzGDH0VEj uBd9U5uNmA4BfehIl/3x5x95npY= Received: by filter0212p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0212p1iad2-19391-59F7B414-10 2017-10-30 23:21:56.417141607 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0002p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 5dbLOfnMSDKxPGP25fIQhg for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 23:21:56.257 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 23:21:56 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Maximal change for HTTP integer encoding (#888) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59f7b4144c322_26cb3ff3ebf48f343316b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak00mDQz0zgvOhdx76eM6niA3AlXIcJMCzjlhn tB6dRtcbzlhnjCn9nktbRQWLnn8hWB6NczL/JgKhScgEjBCPXune8nJBFxM980GRiptdLxcyWEMM98 w8julOMoqYm8Aoqo3CGnrv8TQ7ZGAW98ULpknvlClGXn0xS8AYG5QJG8QMRqT5o7YwUL2JoQbbmqhn c= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 23:22:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59f7b4144c322_26cb3ff3ebf48f343316b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #888. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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It simplifies the encoding considerably, most noticeably in the ACK frame, which I have largely rewritten. This change increases the number of streams to 2^62, but reduces the number of packets and octets per stream to that same number. Both are very large values anyway. I kept the 2^10 scaling on the connection-level flow control window, so that goes to 2^72 now. The cost for ACK is a negligible decrease in efficiency for larger gaps or ACK blocks (mainly between 64 and 255 in length). This is counteracted by an increase in efficiency if there are occasional ranges or gaps larger than 255, which were previously very difficult to encode correctly. As previously discussed, the timestamp format is removed. In its place, we use the same integer encoding, but with a scaling value, or exponent, that is signaled in transport parameters, that should allow common ACK delays to be expressed in fewer octets (an exponent of 0 only allows for 16ms to be encoded in two octets, but the default exponent is 8, allowing up to 128ms of ACK delay to be encoded on two octets with an 8us resolution). I haven't made any changes for HTTP yet, I plan to do that in a separate PR. Commit: 06112c66869ae5cb7b1e741cf46417cad9ca7477 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/06112c66869ae5cb7b1e741cf46417cad9ca7477 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-18 (Wed, 18 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Review comments Commit: 66c5285f8e84786b7cb99dcab744f227c7f16843 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/66c5285f8e84786b7cb99dcab744f227c7f16843 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-18 (Wed, 18 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add a length field to ACK Commit: fd78bccd18ebb8fdca9fc6a0cb963d8e992b12b5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fd78bccd18ebb8fdca9fc6a0cb963d8e992b12b5 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-18 (Wed, 18 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Use a count rather than a length Commit: 5c120d002958013b939db714517d98ddebfc97a3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5c120d002958013b939db714517d98ddebfc97a3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-19 (Thu, 19 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Subtract one from ranges Commit: 7be15c0a449392c2843a35792209bad600829eec https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7be15c0a449392c2843a35792209bad600829eec Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-20 (Fri, 20 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Editorial fixup Commit: 12d0946ccaba1bab42b8d3bbb0f12214d13dbc8c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/12d0946ccaba1bab42b8d3bbb0f12214d13dbc8c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-30 (Mon, 30 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Maximal change for HTTP integer encoding This didn't turn out to be that disruptive. I'm somewhat worried that I missed something actually. Given that the changes are small, I think that I would prefer this over #887 for #877. The most interesting change here is that extension frame types that mention Stream IDs will have to change. I am not aware of any proposed thus far, so maybe it's not too much of a cost to bear. It further confirms my view that we shouldn't be using Stream IDs at this layer anyway. Based on this, I don't see any need for a middle-ground change. The biggest cost here is in taking the larger Stream ID space, not in taking the integer encoding. Commit: cdae8c393e691843e9e6efc939c2f398e2811312 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cdae8c393e691843e9e6efc939c2f398e2811312 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-30 (Mon, 30 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Missed a few fixed-size integers And a nit Commit: 8aaa5e076bbf745f3d36c1f032fbd641860fe899 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8aaa5e076bbf745f3d36c1f032fbd641860fe899 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-30 (Mon, 30 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- More fixed-size integer residue Commit: 89c99638de57e4bb58c36c6309c7647daf3648f6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/89c99638de57e4bb58c36c6309c7647daf3648f6 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-10-30 (Mon, 30 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Redundant duplication is unnecessary Commit: 149b2b8346ba368ea0b203f4e80d84b4cc7fe293 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/149b2b8346ba368ea0b203f4e80d84b4cc7fe293 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-10-30 (Mon, 30 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into integers Commit: 90b2054a61c791dc1c93aaab6cd6ba606c011583 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/90b2054a61c791dc1c93aaab6cd6ba606c011583 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-10-30 (Mon, 30 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #877 from quicwg/integers Variable-length integer encoding Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/20ce92f6843b...90b2054a61c7 ----==_mimepart_59f7b62695938_19d2c3f99c7d75c30404e0-- From nobody Mon Oct 30 16:31:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F9CC09D for ; 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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59f7b5d1af905_6e533fb17dc49c301763a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 23:39:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59f7b5d1af905_6e533fb17dc49c301763a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/integers Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 820dd817c6842379c4cccd99c3d842097e6b1567 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/820dd817c6842379c4cccd99c3d842097e6b1567 Author: Ryan Hamilton Date: 2017-10-12 (Thu, 12 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Identify unidirectional streams by the 2nd bit in the stream ID Commit: 5eca32c8958efb02b936a00c759d50d9913c07b9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5eca32c8958efb02b936a00c759d50d9913c07b9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Tweaks for the draining period This makes the 3RTO timer advisory (SHOULD). It also adds a note about leaving early. If you can be sure that the other side isn't going to send you more packets indefinitely, then you can end early if you are OK with receiving reordered or delayed packets. I also removed a residual mention of sending ACK frames in this state. Commit: 9ead47479272bdc252ae0ae9363e46a558d61a0f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9ead47479272bdc252ae0ae9363e46a558d61a0f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Stateless reset works for early exit too Commit: 5061a15eb804b1c090fda3439fadbc12c58dfd3e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5061a15eb804b1c090fda3439fadbc12c58dfd3e Author: Ryan Hamilton Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Address nits Commit: a9b13de5d57ea4ffb82ac507931109275336cd3f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a9b13de5d57ea4ffb82ac507931109275336cd3f Author: Ryan Hamilton Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- invert Commit: 41372597f7ee9b7bb0cbb5d11690cfc6b84a5f70 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/41372597f7ee9b7bb0cbb5d11690cfc6b84a5f70 Author: Ryan Hamilton Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- clarify Commit: 07403710273bd18f1f5962b924b75344b3d70722 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/07403710273bd18f1f5962b924b75344b3d70722 Author: Ryan Hamilton Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- more Commit: afabe8a7596999ab4d49463cc144a618e4e184dc https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/afabe8a7596999ab4d49463cc144a618e4e184dc Author: Ryan Hamilton Date: 2017-10-13 (Fri, 13 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove unnecessary language Commit: 5b8d25aabb013d59bafad4ca3978f041dc5e3c5b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5b8d25aabb013d59bafad4ca3978f041dc5e3c5b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-18 (Wed, 18 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Fix nits Remove text about no protection. Describe the value for N_MIN. Closes #883 Commit: 8fe436777d03444e06a04b9817a7b94b9a3489e6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8fe436777d03444e06a04b9817a7b94b9a3489e6 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-18 (Wed, 18 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'Unidirectional' of https://github.com/RyanAtGoogle/base-drafts into biuni-wat Commit: 82f6b8750cc02f33102778536d95bd22c088bd2f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/82f6b8750cc02f33102778536d95bd22c088bd2f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-18 (Wed, 18 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Unidirection and bidirectional streams This is #872 with some additional exposition and one significant change. Client-initiated streams are now EVEN. Server initiated streams are now ODD. This is a pretty noticeable change, because it inverts the current sign, and might cause some disruption in implementations. However, it makes stream 0 work within the framework better. It wasn't clear what Ryan's intent was with respect to numbering, but I wouldn't have noticed this until I noticed a conflict between prose and the table. Closes #643, #656, #720, #872, #175. This does not close the other issues that were addressed by #643, because this doesn't include any changes in the HTTP draft. I'll create a follow-up PR for that. Commit: f5b735a861075fbe261d0f8482e205d7cd558894 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f5b735a861075fbe261d0f8482e205d7cd558894 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-18 (Wed, 18 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fixup Commit: 15aabcded3fbd05f15f3d26851d3b032916cbcd2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/15aabcded3fbd05f15f3d26851d3b032916cbcd2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-19 (Thu, 19 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #884 from quicwg/martinduke-nits Fix nits Commit: 442dc99647bfb200ac1534328008aa4d16fa7bb3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/442dc99647bfb200ac1534328008aa4d16fa7bb3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-19 (Thu, 19 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add article Commit: 3541a42a346b6c42b931b895ec5c31dbc2b68c66 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3541a42a346b6c42b931b895ec5c31dbc2b68c66 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-19 (Thu, 19 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Detail Commit: 166101d77d7c872ea228e19eb5c7fd9de19b9a04 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/166101d77d7c872ea228e19eb5c7fd9de19b9a04 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-23 (Mon, 23 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- initial_max_data is in octets too Closes #895. Commit: 36a36142b252fc3cb2ee367d22800ed82d8b66cc https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/36a36142b252fc3cb2ee367d22800ed82d8b66cc Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-23 (Mon, 23 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove confusion about stateless reset packet type (#890) Closes #889. Commit: cc9d717bab0253868572a3a759501f1157c37055 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cc9d717bab0253868572a3a759501f1157c37055 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-25 (Wed, 25 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Editorial tweak Commit: 1ca1af9eb21e7f0a53d168a51bab9740bf57b361 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1ca1af9eb21e7f0a53d168a51bab9740bf57b361 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-25 (Wed, 25 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #870 from quicwg/draining-applicability Tweaks for the draining period Commit: d190077ee547de3a02974dc2693f3d722f56adf1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d190077ee547de3a02974dc2693f3d722f56adf1 Author: Marten Seemann Date: 2017-10-27 (Fri, 27 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- fix KEY_PHASE bit on long header Commit: 5b662dedc38138043ea2eb4cb217c485d73a761a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5b662dedc38138043ea2eb4cb217c485d73a761a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-27 (Fri, 27 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #902 from marten-seemann/fix-key-phase-long-header fix KEY_PHASE bit on long header Commit: 665dc8b62955fd5115e83808143b1821bfa18ee0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/665dc8b62955fd5115e83808143b1821bfa18ee0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-30 (Mon, 30 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove duplication Commit: 20ce92f6843b85dd5a9b20b5330eee3ea25de3de https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/20ce92f6843b85dd5a9b20b5330eee3ea25de3de Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-30 (Mon, 30 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #885 from quicwg/biuni-wat Unidirectional and bidirectional streams Commit: 149b2b8346ba368ea0b203f4e80d84b4cc7fe293 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/149b2b8346ba368ea0b203f4e80d84b4cc7fe293 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-10-30 (Mon, 30 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into integers Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/89c99638de57...149b2b8346ba ----==_mimepart_59f7b5d1af905_6e533fb17dc49c301763a-- From nobody Mon Oct 30 16:56:47 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FEBFCE12 for ; 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Tue, 31 Oct 2017 00:04:53 -0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 17:04:52 -0700 From: Mark Nottingham Reply-To: Mark Nottingham To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <59f7be246a847_21b993f9b3d03dc3080116@hookshot-fe-6dbb0c4.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/wg-materials] 9a2f44: Correct DT title Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59f7be246a571_21b993f9b3d03dc308004b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 00:17:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59f7be246a571_21b993f9b3d03dc308004b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials Commit: 9a2f44707440b7402afbd98af52dff2b0c55bc73 https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/commit/9a2f44707440b7402afbd98af52dff2b0c55bc73 Author: Mark Nottingham Date: 2017-10-31 (Tue, 31 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M ietf100/agenda.md Log Message: ----------- Correct DT title Commit: c338fb122e5900d6b39d949452901b6ecab1498f https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/commit/c338fb122e5900d6b39d949452901b6ecab1498f Author: Mark Nottingham Date: 2017-10-31 (Tue, 31 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M interim-17-10/minutes.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' of github.com:quicwg/wg-materials Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/compare/2483e4276576...c338fb122e59 ----==_mimepart_59f7be246a571_21b993f9b3d03dc308004b-- From nobody Mon Oct 30 17:19:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39C6C13F562 for ; 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That would be a relatively easy thing to fix. Also Accept-Encoding: br,gzip is now a thing apparently. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/904#issuecomment-340629543 ----==_mimepart_59f7cc7185d39_a013faa76726f2c565221 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

One of the pieces of feedback we've had is that there are some entries that don't have assigned values. That would be a relatively easy thing to fix. Also Accept-Encoding: br,gzip is now a thing apparently.

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----==_mimepart_59f7f802e5236_42dd3fbbbcdf6f3084184-- From nobody Tue Oct 31 03:58:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CFC913F69E for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 03:58:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hoMHnD7O4aX8 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 03:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C887813F63A for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 03:57:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=MPPcl4XUT1pKx6/PxmKqj/b8DJ0=; b=l3qs8l/hS+xuGH5J JwoV+nu9hZpxNQ+75bD8qmNr2EdJ+FC+7/4oPmFWj5Ka9usfZBEwd5pubprq1eZv E5BrM81EpaRpIEGwQ4wygazBD7++N1vPN5yJma8Mbv+/QaV+v1MmFVAvrKaubAC1 WGTyDGJI5zRYTDNnE7Gz7coJcYE= Received: by filter1246p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1246p1mdw1-10709-59F85735-11 2017-10-31 10:57:57.718043244 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id YxqeIkv7Qs2jsuKKDR_0lw for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 10:57:57.692 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 10:57:57 +0000 (UTC) From: Patrick McManus Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] CONTINUATION/END_HEADERS (#76) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59f85735897bd_27b23fc8deb3ef3423722e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mcmanus X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak25NMmQSu+qBpV95bOzEIO27ZcwDEb5/tP639 xWCGd2BAHi1ky0Sam8Wj2pHyGI2mXPywfy//lHYbrjiaO52J1w64qAAFkormfOwJqJenm3EgyMjAjI SYnbf84W12cg3qwUly5W35MrpzVweXx4NNZRvDZDmX++jl/RE+FUIahzOPqPUdeSXhOeh+KQZefGv9 Y= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 10:58:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59f85735897bd_27b23fc8deb3ef3423722e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just looked at this data again and now there is some data from release channel firefox (the earlier data point was limited to pre-release users). There is a tiny bit of CONTINUATION.. on the order of 1 in 100k HEADERS.. of those, > 99% are less than 64KB. But there is an existence proof of something that doesn't fit. (whether or not that's an error later in the stack, I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/76#issuecomment-340728183 ----==_mimepart_59f85735897bd_27b23fc8deb3ef3423722e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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----==_mimepart_59f8fca6dc38_1a6183fa672cacf3026595d-- From nobody Tue Oct 31 15:44:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9737E13F7C7 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 15:44:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zEuYjTPb_XMP for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 15:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m71-131.mailgun.net (m71-131.mailgun.net [166.78.71.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B6D41389AC for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 15:43:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1509489839; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=T4I9/K8C/gkyLkb31kXPx/3TkuO01HSQRGhdSV0Gzyo=; b=pamZVyg5vmPeCnRv7sTYC3V9PaLmQwVJsqDHUYsfoP0LGa7ZOLnoL8Jx5nDtYYfTaTCWQyEn mWGWRcBtEYCUmXryJPdd0S0+/nPFilVvsnypalUuPQNi/5wy9WAhWK9QoGFJjvnmCLc/4Yrj rKpF5MxOIReAoDASP5j456B6ahw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QFRppLZniuJQksaDLXLNHOU8gkW/I+jEw6CJIeaSOe3ezhSWC/KIMU0Ef5OMN+uJoJDnpE 7+zDNVpwVC/zkpokYSRzcy0o1rtp54bubgHDCYgNyW0nt2ghc7mk4rqp4jUhZTyt9to/HTB1 UUazFCNQkRhex3CecPKcEt3ZmYXFI= Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.71.131 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.45]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 59f8fcae.7f2fe0321ae0-smtp-out-n02; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 22:43:58 -0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 15:43:58 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <59f8fcaed6d49_cbc3fd1ba30dc2c415f2@hookshot-fe3-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 503b69: Rename and consolidate packet types (#847) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59f8fcaed69b5_cbc3fd1ba30dc2c414dd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 22:44:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59f8fcaed69b5_cbc3fd1ba30dc2c414dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 503b694528cb8e5481c3f8cabecb7da5c30ed696 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/503b694528cb8e5481c3f8cabecb7da5c30ed696 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-31 (Tue, 31 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Rename and consolidate packet types (#847) * Rename and consolidate packet types The two cleartext types are no longer needed to distinguish between client and server. Server packets are protected with a different key to that used for client packets, so a server will be unable to process a packet from another server as though it were a client packet (not that this was possible anyway given that we have a different type for the initial packet). Consequently, I have renamed packets to use shorter names and to better fit their roles: * Client Initial -> Initial * Server Stateless Retry -> Retry (also avoids confusion with Stateless Reset) * Server Cleartext -> Handshake * Client Cleartext -> Handshake I've rephrased the text in the TLS spec to match. The only functional change here is to consolidate Server and Client Cleartext into a single codepoint. I did renumber the 0-RTT and 1-RTT protected packets as a result. 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I'd still prefer having an ACK frame in there simply because that part= of the code doesn't have to be special cased for an HRR being an ACK. PR= #882 seems lik= e a good compromise; it doesn't require an ACK be sent, so I'd like to se= e that be merged.

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I like this change, but we should resolve the issue to decide whether to merge.

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I would like to never rely on the word 'implicit' in the QUIC spec. One= can use implicit information, but I don't think it should be critical to c= orrectness.

I'm not hearing a clear argument about why this is harmful. One certain= ly could create an ack frame that doesn't ack the correct packets, but that= seems like a general bug, not one specific to this case.

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Strangely, the flag on PUSH_PROMISE was already removed. Closes #76. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/905 -- Commit Summary -- * Variable-length HTTP/QUIC frames -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (44) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/905.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/905.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/905 ----==_mimepart_59f955f8ecbf4_4a83ffca6d9af341607a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This removes END_HEADERS as it is no longer needed. Strangely, the flag on
PUSH_PROMISE was already removed.

Closes #76.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/905

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  • Variable-length HTTP/QUIC frames

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