From nobody Fri Dec 1 00:51:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9B10127ABE for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 00:51:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mX4xVA_nXpKW for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 00:51:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8E93126B7E for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 00:51:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=3GQZWFDDznD3bJ7Bo4mPspB44ac=; b=o27ExNqJ3NT85C/i QcRus0jAvT3iVXHVuMKJu+F9LukvNaeLZRrmPHU5NVT4FnhAnPIpTVQCQI3njQL0 gainAoz7i9GPNfybsoA0bKbKRvBvgNCo0B5LH1Fy1/rqAxVNCcUVjb0HvPT47ibW ffJ3BZs2pyJ63xYKZPm8DPYdqPs= Received: by filter0097p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0097p1las1-24074-5A211803-14 2017-12-01 08:51:15.450345444 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0016p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id r4PRGn8cQoaq6pF-gjFFAg for ; Fri, 01 Dec 2017 08:51:15.236 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2017 08:51:15 +0000 (UTC) From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Move negotiated_version (#959) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a2118033b273_7c7e3fb854a58f3814191cf"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2Qn0EVnOfneBoaWgkSaYue7OMnJ+dQ9E+0R1 Ntd+9bEjhCPBDOZ4t0Ce4p1Z0xV/66hKHPELyWdbcRpTe/X+XT49asAPs84KKfZySRih3KuP/Mqexg qyly87wIyJ5dsQp7pKEg+RdUa05N74GqTpg0KKpkmyuaymncY2bUJNaPnor65schd+enzDZKDUmkPL M= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2017 08:51:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a2118033b273_7c7e3fb854a58f3814191cf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit marten-seemann commented on this pull request. > @@ -1228,45 +1228,49 @@ version as part of the transport parameters (see {{transport-parameters}}). As a result, modification of version negotiation packets by an attacker can be detected. -The client includes two fields in the transport parameters: - -* The negotiated_version is the version that was finally selected for use. This - MUST be identical to the value that is on the packet that carries the - ClientHello. A server that receives a negotiated_version that does not match - the version of QUIC that is in use MUST terminate the connection with a - VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR error code. - -* The initial_version is the version that the client initially attempted to use. - If the server did not send a version negotiation packet {{packet-version}}, - this will be identical to the negotiated_version. +The client includes the initial_version field in its transport parameters. The +initial_version is the version that the client initially attempted to use. If +the server did not send a version negotiation packet {{packet-version}}, this +will be identical to the negotiated_version. To the negotiated_version in the encrypted_extensions. > +stateless server) uses a different process. If the initial_version matches the +version of QUIC that is in use, a stateless server can accept the value. + +If the initial_version is different from the version of QUIC that is in use, a +stateless server MUST check that it would have sent a version negotiation packet +if it had received a packet with the indicated initial_version. If a server +would have accepted the version included in the initial_version and the value +differs from the QUIC version that is in use, the server MUST terminate the +connection with a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR error. + +The server includes both the version of QUIC that is in use and a list of the +QUIC versions that the server supports. + +The negotiated_version field is the version that is in use. This MUST be set by +the server to the value that is on the Initial packet that it accepts (not an +Initial packet that triggers a Retry or Version Negotiation packet). A client Why the Retry packet? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/959#pullrequestreview-80433372 ----==_mimepart_5a2118033b273_7c7e3fb854a58f3814191cf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1228,45 +1228,49 @@ version as part of the transport parameters (see {{transport-parameters}}).  As
 a result, modification of version negotiation packets by an attacker can be
 detected.
 
-The client includes two fields in the transport parameters:
-
-* The negotiated_version is the version that was finally selected for use.  This
-  MUST be identical to the value that is on the packet that carries the
-  ClientHello.  A server that receives a negotiated_version that does not match
-  the version of QUIC that is in use MUST terminate the connection with a
-  VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR error code.
-
-* The initial_version is the version that the client initially attempted to use.
-  If the server did not send a version negotiation packet {{packet-version}},
-  this will be identical to the negotiated_version.
+The client includes the initial_version field in its transport parameters.  The
+initial_version is the version that the client initially attempted to use.  If
+the server did not send a version negotiation packet {{packet-version}}, this
+will be identical to the negotiated_version.

To the negotiated_version in the encrypted_extensions.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +stateless server) uses a different process. If the initial_version matches the
+version of QUIC that is in use, a stateless server can accept the value.
+
+If the initial_version is different from the version of QUIC that is in use, a
+stateless server MUST check that it would have sent a version negotiation packet
+if it had received a packet with the indicated initial_version.  If a server
+would have accepted the version included in the initial_version and the value
+differs from the QUIC version that is in use, the server MUST terminate the
+connection with a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR error.
+
+The server includes both the version of QUIC that is in use and a list of the
+QUIC versions that the server supports.
+
+The negotiated_version field is the version that is in use.  This MUST be set by
+the server to the value that is on the Initial packet that it accepts (not an
+Initial packet that triggers a Retry or Version Negotiation packet).  A client

Why the Retry packet?

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Since CONNECTION_CLOSE and APPLICATION_CLOSE have the same format, are already distinguishable by the different error code spaces, and have the same semantics, we cold save a frame type number here.

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I'm a pretty big fan of this change on a high level. In particular, it = forces implementations to actually implement version specific parsing, and = the removal of the packet number reinforces the idea that everything after = the version is not an invariant.

I'll note: If we have a version, and then there's only one defined type = byte value, but it's valid to grease the type byte for that version, we end= up with the type byte being random :) So I favor randomizing the type byt= e, but could live without it.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

Two small comments, but looks good.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -302,7 +302,7 @@ deployed and used concurrently. Version negotiation is described in
 
 QUIC versions are identified using a 32-bit unsigned number.
 
-The version 0x00000000 is reserved to represent an invalid version.  This
+The version 0x00000000 is reserved to represent version negotiation.  This
 version of the specification is identified by the number 0x00000001.

OT Q: Why isn't version 0 represented by the number 0x00000000?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -768,7 +780,7 @@ constant:
 
 * the location and size of the Packet Number field in long headers, and

I thought I removed this from the invariants? If I missed it, shouldn't it be removed now?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -543,6 +544,17 @@ the server supports, as shown below.
 ~~~
 {: #version-negotiation-format title="Version Negotiation Packet"}
 
+The value in the Unused field is selected randomly by the server. The Connection
+ID field echoes the corresponding value from the triggering client packet.  This
+allows clients some assurance that the server received the packet and that the
+Version Negotiation packet is in fact from the server.  The Version field MUST
+be set to 0x00000000.  The remainder of the Version Negotiation packet is a list
+of 32-bit versions which the server supports.
+
+A Version Negotiation packet is never explicitly acknowledged in an ACK frame by

It doesn't have a packet number anymore, so how could it be acknowledged? Maybe change to "cannot be explicitly acknowledged.."

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2675,201 +2676,291 @@ created, it MUST close the connection with error code STREAM_STATE_ERROR.
 Stream ID 0 (0x0) is reserved for the cryptographic handshake.  Stream 0 MUST
 NOT be used for application data, and is the first client-initiated stream.
 
-A QUIC endpoint MUST NOT reuse a Stream ID.  Streams MUST be created
-in sequential order.  Open streams can be used in any order.  Streams
-that are used out of order result in lower-numbered streams in the
-same direction being counted as open.
+A QUIC endpoint MUST NOT reuse a Stream ID.  Open streams can be used in any

Fair enough, make sure to find and close the issue this was discussed in then.

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I think it makes the text a bit easier to read to only have one close frame. When I first re-read the draft with them split out I was initially very confused.

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This approach does work fairly well, so it's a bit unfortunate to get rid of it. The fact we take these constants from Linux doesn't seem like a major problem to me, given we do that in quite a few places. I'd like to get a read from the WG about whether they'd like this included, but I'm also happy to chat later today. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/977#pullrequestreview-80519159 ----==_mimepart_5a216dac2add6_2ea3f3f97d728af3883651 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett commented on this pull request.

This approach does work fairly well, so it's a bit unfortunate to get rid of it. The fact we take these constants from Linux doesn't seem like a major problem to me, given we do that in quite a few places.

I'd like to get a read from the WG about whether they'd like this included, but I'm also happy to chat later today.

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Now that we have unidirectional streams, how is the receiver of a STREAM_ID_BLOCKED frame supposed to tell which stream type to send a MAX_STREAM_ID for? Or is there an assumption here that raising MAX_STREAM_ID applies to both unidir and bidir streams?

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As discussed in #953.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/980

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  • Normative language for omit_connection_id

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A given stream ID refers to exactly one stream, which is either uni or bidi, not both.

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----==_mimepart_5a218212710c3_290613fb30e97af304834b-- From nobody Fri Dec 1 08:56:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEB321205F0 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 08:56:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kfszkxzssme6 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 08:56:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C48741292D3 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 08:56:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=OSyVyhJ6nXrXuB0S9ulrxQD+vO8=; b=J+6B0TBJ4no3Yyr4 1yfvA2C+N/WjHqUrJwL179Rrc66BDc1jFqbN6eA75dXgj4S8k0tuJx9Ao0qikIee CWQSgQmermkDKsddyRLzokGxNBAgTZCq0lWJyfeuRBbLlmX4tFr63AkiLIY2K6qp HjKEaAmZDSnVuUaSCIAtWUvRN/8= Received: by filter1224p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1224p1mdw1-21091-5A2189A5-1 2017-12-01 16:56:05.015468695 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id K2bs-FIwRNG850htLul54w for ; Fri, 01 Dec 2017 16:56:04.989 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2017 16:56:05 +0000 (UTC) From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] STREAM_ID_BLOCKED and distinguishing unidir/bidir (#979) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a2189a4dceac_670c3ffcc6d40f2844197"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1n0S3VUC/8j/EVVMR/N8seNoKv1jjbE99k96 TB3Af+gdEcRsttofYqA+eNRmrtMGkzC3ph+fXX7aF8HslDafx656q6Vwb2vlxaSDEpIXgVzA7UW9aF hbjV5ySmdutbISX39bPpIOtO1V/Qnt7d8LlyIG/b1HKkSD1jlglvojNjAMJsN2PfToSO9EfY2aGQYj s= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2017 16:56:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a2189a4dceac_670c3ffcc6d40f2844197 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Right, but since STREAM_ID_BLOCKED doesn't contain an ID, the receiver doesn't know which limit to raise. When you *receive* a MAX_STREAM_ID, you know for which type it is, but when you receive a STREAM_ID_BLOCKED, you don't. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/979#issuecomment-348548302 ----==_mimepart_5a2189a4dceac_670c3ffcc6d40f2844197 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Right, but since STREAM_ID_BLOCKED doesn't contain an ID, the receiver d= oesn't know which limit to raise. When you receive a MAX_STREAM_ID= , you know for which type it is, but when you receive a STREAM_ID_BLOCKED, = you don't.

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#927 / #928 already addresses this, albeit as an accidental by-product.

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Perfect, thanks

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Probably true. The split leads to interesting corner cases. Also, the = application close reason codes are supposedly "defined by the application= ". But if that's really the case, maybe they should be conveyed by an app= lication level message.

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= ----==_mimepart_5a21b1a3b7240_466a3ff574568f3474978-- From nobody Fri Dec 1 11:50:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497BA128E00 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 11:50:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dKhIAilqqRsi for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 11:50:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 785F0128959 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2017 11:50:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=f06F4OyqC/Nqnr0I73rDpLIVGoQ=; b=fXJYUQmWNY0qvY7r Kubre7htxaQCF5gLNN8ZLR5a0C7hHL8OJxJUY9ri2BwmirMvNOolp5okdvEvv4uK pg1PIMYVLZ/n/TWWHjoQ3yt7WfXFAVGZW8SS2HFXB1N+wq2hpe8UXadEnl6Vryjr aIisuWBYBEB2L4hilybj6UHebEQ= Received: by filter0989p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0989p1mdw1-15714-5A21B274-B 2017-12-01 19:50:12.214009448 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0011p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id zlmj_u7oQHCXN3b49ijVLA for ; Fri, 01 Dec 2017 19:50:12.249 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2017 19:50:12 +0000 (UTC) From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK Frames should be in Increasing Packet Number Order (#969) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a21b2741d599_460b3ff574568f34942f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0EsBzFX6Efk8RcTn01iB5Dvdew9EOBtvTbPO mHfLsmz1vz+kVwo2bVOhbsdG5tlccFY3hwxz0eScKlx0XVhH7uu6tg6QicTfsgBA5SMVYAUXIvbk2l skkwmthgjDZkDGrNaN4J83dvxeVA0x0xPo9hXNqFq8gbmCmLJSuY4QgrZA== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2017 19:50:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a21b2741d599_460b3ff574568f34942f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But then it must be required that highest / first ACK range really is the largest seen. There is currently no such requirement AFAIK. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/969#issuecomment-348597515 ----==_mimepart_5a21b2741d599_460b3ff574568f34942f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

But then it must be required that highest / first ACK range really is the largest seen. There is currently no such requirement AFAIK.

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The recovery spec says:

_RTT is calculated when an ACK frame arrives by computing the difference between the current time and the time the largest newly acked packet was sent. If no packets are newly acknowledged, RTT cannot be calculated. When RTT is calculated, the ack delay field from the ACK frame SHOULD be subtracted from the RTT as long as the result is larger than the Min RTT. If the result is smaller than the min_rtt, the RTT should be used, but the ack delay field should be ignored._

This is fine advice when computing the RTT, but there is a small issue arising later:

When the final TLP packet is sent, the RTO period is set to max(SRTT + 4*RTTVAR, minRTO)

I believe that this RTO formula should also include some estimation of the ACK delay. When doing simulation with low latency links, I observe that SRTT converges to the low delay and RTTVAR to about zero. The main element in the overall delay is in fact the ACK delay. This leads to two possible solutions:

  • Include the ACK Delay in the computation of the SRTT and RTTVAR,
  • or, include an AckDelayVar component in the formulation of the RTO.

What do you think?

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@larseg= gert, you say that they can be differentiated by the error code spaces,= but I don't see that in the text. Transport error codes are a sixteen-bit= space; application error codes are a different sixteen-bit space. In RST_= STREAM, you know a priori that it's an application error code. In= *_CLOSE, you know which is which only by the frame type. If you merged th= e frame types into one, you'd need a flag in the frame header, which is wir= e-identical to what we currently have: frame type 0b0000001A, where A is a = flag indicating whether the error is transport-based (A=3D0) or application= -based (A=3D1). If you think recasting it as one frame type with a flag is= easier for implementers to understand, that seems purely editorial.

@huitema, if applications are responsible for communicating their own reasons for= fatally closing the connection, then they have to define a way to semi-rel= iably communicate that reason after reaching an invalid state. That's some= thing we've already gone to some trouble to support in the transport, and i= t seems an unfortunate thing for the application protocol to be required to= reinvent each time, particularly protocols which don't have a dedicated co= ntrol stream.

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You process the entire ACK frame/blocks at essentially the same moment in time (as far as the network is concerned). And I still I haven't heard a solution to my original problem. Given that set of outstanding sent packets is sorted in ascending order, if the ACK blocks are in descending order (and cannot be traversed in reverse order without first copying to a separate data structure and memory) how are you supposed to efficiently match ACK blocks to outstanding send packets? The best I can think of requires a search for 'largest acknowledged' and then iteratively (per ACK block) search backwards from that point, effectively O(2n) to find all the ACK blocks; where as if the ACK blocks were in ascending order, the search is only O(n). For example: Outstanding Sent Packets: `{1,2,3,....1000}` ACK Blocks: `{500 - 400},{390-300},{290-1}` Again, assuming you don't allocate additional memory for an intermediate data structure, processing these ACK blocks in descending order would first require a search through half the Outstanding Sent Packets set to find the largest and then the same part of the set would be walked backwards for the rest of the ACK blocks. But if they were in reverse order that wouldn't be the case. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/969#issuecomment-348610490 ----==_mimepart_5a21c008a345d_db9c3fc3d1100f34395a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Why does it really matter if 'largest acknowledged' (even if it is requi= red to be 'largest seen') be in the ACK frame's header and not just in the = last ACK block? You process the entire ACK frame/blocks at essentially the = same moment in time (as far as the network is concerned).

And I still I haven't heard a solution to my original problem. Given tha= t set of outstanding sent packets is sorted in ascending order, if the ACK = blocks are in descending order (and cannot be traversed in reverse order wi= thout first copying to a separate data structure and memory) how are you su= pposed to efficiently match ACK blocks to outstanding send packets?

The best I can think of requires a search for 'largest acknowledged' and= then iteratively (per ACK block) search backwards from that point, effecti= vely O(2n) to find all the ACK blocks; where as if the ACK blocks were in a= scending order, the search is only O(n).

For example:

Outstanding Sent Packets: {1,2,3,....1000}
ACK Blocks: {500 - 400},{390-300},{290-1}

Again, assuming you don't allocate additional memory for an intermediate= data structure, processing these ACK blocks in descending order would firs= t require a search through half the Outstanding Sent Packets set to find th= e largest and then the same part of the set would be walked backwards for t= he rest of the ACK blocks. But if they were in reverse order that wouldn't = be the case.

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I think the latter approach makes the most sense.

I guess that would be SRTT + 4*RTTVAR + MaxAckDelay?

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looks like we resolved with a drop here #965

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -302,7 +302,7 @@ deployed and used concurrently. Version negotiation is described in
 
 QUIC versions are identified using a 32-bit unsigned number.
 
-The version 0x00000000 is reserved to represent an invalid version.  This
+The version 0x00000000 is reserved to represent version negotiation.  This
 version of the specification is identified by the number 0x00000001.

I'm a little confused by the question. Are you asking why it's spelled out?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -302,7 +302,7 @@ deployed and used concurrently. Version negotiation is described in
 
 QUIC versions are identified using a 32-bit unsigned number.
 
-The version 0x00000000 is reserved to represent an invalid version.  This
+The version 0x00000000 is reserved to represent version negotiation.  This
 version of the specification is identified by the number 0x00000001.

I misread these two sentences as "The version 0x00000000 is reserved to represent an invalid version. This(Ian's misinterpretation: the version negotiation version) version of the specification is identified by the number 0x00000001."

So I misinterpreted the use of the word "This", which is partly a product of the small snippet Github displays, but possibly it makes sense to clarify this now that the spec uses two versions?

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Oh. I had assumed they were sharing the same 16bit space (since that seems plenty large.)

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OK, so I actually did an implementation of the version dependent header parsing. I agree that once this version dependent parsing is done, using version=0 to define renegotiation packets makes sense.

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----==_mimepart_5a230b6f72806_54fd3ff785a5af34327976-- From nobody Sat Dec 2 22:48:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75AB812700F for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2017 22:48:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vzNLNDFg61f6 for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2017 22:48:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D37F12025C for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2017 22:47:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=wl77aDTbrhFui1GhZhm9qdmSR1Y=; b=fpVRjvYWlmH8WLWO K5T+KUuu1FGn94JEPG3Ujasr3lh2HoJyKiY4MNX6si+KgakOU4KIxHy3Rq8j/7Va DUQp0AApPvcGOZlVIjnvRJ/VZxXEyApFu9SE614usWhslE2Y9RH4tHV8UTr0le6G zdnknQ8uo6VfhMr74Jc69ajEswk= Received: by filter0255p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0255p1las1-9785-5A239E1E-16 2017-12-03 06:47:58.677844562 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0004p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id q9a_kFLyQOOYAGBJjI0G5w for ; Sun, 03 Dec 2017 06:47:58.561 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2017 06:47:58 +0000 (UTC) From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] One packet type in invariants (#963) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a239e1e798a9_351f3fa7dc290f2c9398b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak06b2PdTWfYylVnXZPUjh53n8Fmvy4DXxucUZ TPm+L94+iNspqtpfVKwzBoUWi3u9gTNrBmg4ALMiE2X2JB125Scz0NsJRMj3DjLgSJ5hzPtmrkfgW4 LCoxxDuQH0vrA07dNlehj7yVz6gNBeIboicZkzIoMpk8L6t1I8HC8p6dadgljlltpxnuUNCNypLYRU A= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2017 06:48:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a239e1e798a9_351f3fa7dc290f2c9398b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some implementation experience. In the current state, greasing the version ID is a bit hard. The server will correctly handle a version ID that it does not understand, and will copy the incoming version ID into the version field of the negotiation packet's header. But the client that does the greasing has to make a wild guess -- it cannot really parse the type field, because this is version dependent, and it cannot really predict what kind of encoding the server used. Testing V==0 would be cleaner. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/963#issuecomment-348744490 ----==_mimepart_5a239e1e798a9_351f3fa7dc290f2c9398b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Some implementation experience. In the current state, greasing the versi= on ID is a bit hard. The server will correctly handle a version ID that it = does not understand, and will copy the incoming version ID into the version= field of the negotiation packet's header. But the client that does the gre= asing has to make a wild guess -- it cannot really parse the type field, be= cause this is version dependent, and it cannot really predict what kind of = encoding the server used. Testing V=3D=3D0 would be cleaner.

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@huitema= : Thank you for trying out an implementation and for sharing what you= learned, that is very helpful!

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Happy to chat, and happy to open an issue for WG consideration. The spec= currently does not specify a full pacer, which is appropriately out of sco= pe. Linux's fq is not defined anywhere except in Linux code, and these cons= tants apply to that flavor of pacer. (In contrast, the other constants we u= se apply to documented mechanisms, but we are borrowing constants only from= Linux.) Simply stating these constants is incomplete, which is why I wante= d to remove this entirely. I could change the text to have some sort of mor= e generic language about GQUIC and Linux fq implementations; let me give th= at a shot.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +stateless server) uses a different process. If the initial_version matches the
+version of QUIC that is in use, a stateless server can accept the value.
+
+If the initial_version is different from the version of QUIC that is in use, a
+stateless server MUST check that it would have sent a version negotiation packet
+if it had received a packet with the indicated initial_version.  If a server
+would have accepted the version included in the initial_version and the value
+differs from the QUIC version that is in use, the server MUST terminate the
+connection with a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR error.
+
+The server includes both the version of QUIC that is in use and a list of the
+QUIC versions that the server supports.
+
+The negotiated_version field is the version that is in use.  This MUST be set by
+the server to the value that is on the Initial packet that it accepts (not an
+Initial packet that triggers a Retry or Version Negotiation packet).  A client

Both are (potentially) stateless from the server perspective. You could save the packet number in the Retry cookie, but I don't think we need to require that servers do that. Note that the size of this cookie is strictly limited. It has to fit into the padding space in the Initial packet.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1228,45 +1228,49 @@ version as part of the transport parameters (see {{transport-parameters}}).  As
 a result, modification of version negotiation packets by an attacker can be
 detected.
 
-The client includes two fields in the transport parameters:
-
-* The negotiated_version is the version that was finally selected for use.  This
-  MUST be identical to the value that is on the packet that carries the
-  ClientHello.  A server that receives a negotiated_version that does not match
-  the version of QUIC that is in use MUST terminate the connection with a
-  VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR error code.
-
-* The initial_version is the version that the client initially attempted to use.
-  If the server did not send a version negotiation packet {{packet-version}},
-  this will be identical to the negotiated_version.
+The client includes the initial_version field in its transport parameters.  The
+initial_version is the version that the client initially attempted to use.  If
+the server did not send a version negotiation packet {{packet-version}}, this
+will be identical to the negotiated_version.

I'm not allowed to use TLS message names, but I'll use "server transport parameters".

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@MikeBishop, what do you think is remaining here? I'm happy to consider splitting frames into two categories, but that's something I'd prefer to do as a separate change.

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Merged #980.

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Managing separate ID spaces is easier (since N_applications might be l= arge).

On @huit= ema's suggestion, if you think about that, it's hard. The mechanism = we provide them is streams. And on first look at it, it seems possible t= o send a STREAM frame alongside a CONNECTION_CLOSE (that uses an APPLICAT= ION_SPECIFIC_ERROR code). But it isn't that easy because streams could b= e blocked. On MAX_DATA, MAX_STREAM_DATA, or MAX_STREAM_ID. You would ha= ve to willingly violate flow control or stream limits to get the message = through, and that increases the chances that the message would be discard= ed on receipt.

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= ----==_mimepart_5a2493ace7cdb_44dc3ff8c12caf34156977-- From nobody Sun Dec 3 17:35:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AAFA120227 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 17:35:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I4ozKiJ4NpiG for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 17:35:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F1DD1200CF for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 17:35:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2017 17:35:53 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1512351353; bh=GavVe3GbDCfwOxzLbGhP2vB77KcCOFvTUI62mU1UO1U=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=HhgDWOWcrufASa43ooEWKv9FlplhKeek1IImeEpgmX8vrrYnWSmTX4kEpRVnJmjor 4xYqdW5C95jnpBNGh9a6ZVjpCa5PUm7nDCbR09eqxafyQSp1yrqBFt8vmx4URycxr5 DrmExCmvUnk6DTmxqnlyb16J9haSEJK5oHvUBgBc= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Move negotiated_version (#959) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a24a679a4dab_2cc83fc24d4aef30488017"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 01:35:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a24a679a4dab_2cc83fc24d4aef30488017 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit huitema approved this pull request. Looks good enough, but the text in section 7.4.4 could be improved. > QuicVersion initial_version; case encrypted_extensions: + QuicVersion negotiated_version; QuicVersion supported_versions<4..2^8-4>; case new_session_ticket: LGTM. > supported_versions list and - if version negotiation was performed - that it would have selected the negotiated version. A client MUST terminate the -connection with a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR error code if the -negotiated_version value is not included in the supported_versions list. A -client MUST terminate with a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR error code if -version negotiation occurred but it would have selected a different version -based on the value of the supported_versions list. +connection with a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR error code if the current QUIC +version is not listed in the supported_versions list. A client MUST terminate +with a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR error code if version negotiation occurred but +it would have selected a different version based on the value of the +supported_versions list. That's OK, but I had to read the text several times, so it probably should be clearer. How about something like that: The whole point is to prevent version downgrade by a third party, by locking the version ID inside TLS extensions protected by the TLS protocol. The two types of downgrade attacks are: 1) MITM spoofing the client initial, replacing the original value by a downgrade value; 2) MITM dropping the client initial and sending a spoofed version negotiation packet that proposes the downgrade value, or alternately MITM intercepting a genuine negotiation packet and reducing the proposed list to a downgrade value. Both types will be detected. 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@huitema approved this pull request.

Looks good enough, but the text in section 7.4.4 could be improved.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>              QuicVersion initial_version;
 
          case encrypted_extensions:
+            QuicVersion negotiated_version;
             QuicVersion supported_versions<4..2^8-4>;
 
          case new_session_ticket:

LGTM.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  supported_versions list and - if version negotiation was performed - that it
 would have selected the negotiated version.  A client MUST terminate the
-connection with a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR error code if the
-negotiated_version value is not included in the supported_versions list.  A
-client MUST terminate with a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR error code if
-version negotiation occurred but it would have selected a different version
-based on the value of the supported_versions list.
+connection with a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR error code if the current QUIC
+version is not listed in the supported_versions list.  A client MUST terminate
+with a VERSION_NEGOTIATION_ERROR error code if version negotiation occurred but
+it would have selected a different version based on the value of the
+supported_versions list.

That's OK, but I had to read the text several times, so it probably should be clearer. How about something like that:

The whole point is to prevent version downgrade by a third party, by locking the version ID inside TLS extensions protected by the TLS protocol. The two types of downgrade attacks are:

  1. MITM spoofing the client initial, replacing the original value by a downgrade value;
  2. MITM dropping the client initial and sending a spoofed version negotiation packet that proposes the downgrade value, or alternately MITM intercepting a genuine negotiation packet and reducing the proposed list to a downgrade value.

Both types will be detected. In the first case, the server will see the initial version in the transport parameters sent by the client, and detect that it should have been accepted. In the second case, the client will see that the transport parameters of the server include a version that it would have preferred over the downgrade version.

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I would not advertise MaxAckDelay. But I would compute statistics based on the Ack Delay values observed in incoming ACK.

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Well, we now have connection and application close in the code, and it would cost more to merge them than to leave them separate. So I vote to leave that one alone.

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application error codes, and the frames exist to indicate which of those
spaces. Also, as Martin notes, we want to be able to use this for a
connection close, which means the transport has to know the semantics of
this message even if it is defined at the application level.

I don't see a strong argument for merging them.

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= ----==_mimepart_5a24b6575a76_1e483f9245920f3883886c-- From nobody Sun Dec 3 19:02:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23850126BF6 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 19:02:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gBseV4rFEAfc for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 19:02:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext5.iad.github.net [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60A1B1200C1 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 19:02:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2017 19:02:10 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1512356530; bh=3A4MqvKTGyh4R5Yo/A5obaE6GjlByu8+KLaYIGbBjiw=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Cjce2mDu3qY1GZGa0yHMVaXq783YqX5dausSqZkHBrTTrw3+y8dYD6ppEJvFIqFa2 s/Y7TSDStGICrJjD9vfMeBmu+ovCJT5jq159E4vEaGQ3i9YPxlzBT2kTqnJ41iinB5 byyqnDXbYLTtJlcHtdnLlfh3uFvKa7ew7928PnMw= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include ACK delay in RTO computations (#981) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a24bab253b31_37cb3fb9b7c72f3055477f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 03:02:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a24bab253b31_37cb3fb9b7c72f3055477f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was thinking about exactly this last week, and I agree with Ian that th= e ack delay should be explicitly included in the RTO computation. This allo= ws us to basically only combine the components where useful. We could allow for a windowed max, or have some way of decaying the max, but I think usi= ng a max ack delay makes most sense. I agree with Christian that we can simply compute this from observed valu= es. On Dec 3, 2017 5:37 PM, "Christian Huitema" wrote: I would not advertise MaxAckDelay. But I would compute statistics based o= n the Ack Delay values observed in incoming ACK. =E2=80=94 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub = , or mute the thread . -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/981#issuecomment-348848867= ----==_mimepart_5a24bab253b31_37cb3fb9b7c72f3055477f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was thinking about exactly this last week, and I agree with Ian that th= e
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Section 5.7.1. defines the Initial Packet Number as:

The initial value for packet number MUST be selected randomly from a range between 0 and 2^32 -
1025 (inclusive). This value is selected so that Initial and Handshake packets exercise as many possible
values for the Packet Number field as possible.

But the specification of the initial packet in section 5.4.1. Initial Packet says:

The first Initial packet that is sent by a client contains a random 31-bit packet number. All subsequent
packets contain a packet number that is incremented by one, see (Section 5.7).

Is that a problem? Section 5.4.3. describes the initial number in the Handshake Packet as:

_The first Handshake packet sent by a server contains a randomized packet number. This value is
increased for each subsequent packet sent by the server as described in Section 5.7. _

This seems better...

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Closes #982.

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Note that we require 0xffffffff in order to keep things consistent. Commit: 9581d40c99d24068b59b41eb7f7ad31803193a44 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9581d40c99d24068b59b41eb7f7ad31803193a44 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-11-23 (Thu, 23 Nov 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Use PROTOCOL_VIOLATION as discussed Commit: a206a7b7296904206e307906eb1907aafa9ca3cc https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a206a7b7296904206e307906eb1907aafa9ca3cc Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-12-04 (Mon, 04 Dec 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #943 from ekr/nst_max_frame_data Explain that NST.max_stream_data is needed for 0-RTT. 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Ok, we've chosen a random initial number now, and that includes 0 as a= possible value. Given the recent discussion on this issue, I'm going to = close it as resolved. If anyone has strong arguments, please re-open.

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That's not a huge benefit, but given that it is no more vulnerable to downgrade attack than before, it seems like a worthwhile thing to do. Note that this will have the effect of violating the terms of the version downgrade contract. I do this knowing that this is still very much in development and that no sane person would deploy this protocol in its current form expecting it to be secure. Conveniently, it appears that endpoints that support the newer version will not be exposed to downgrade, only those that support versions prior to the change (and even then, it's only if they can cause the server to emit a transport parameter that looks like the current version. That is possible, but for QUIC version 4 only (assuming we retain the same basic format for that long). Closes #710. Commit: a5ca4b87d244806d223f9ad7565138947d208d5a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a5ca4b87d244806d223f9ad7565138947d208d5a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-12-04 (Mon, 04 Dec 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Explain where negotiated_version comes from Commit: 8488f8bdc2f4cfab422db430744535561711af03 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8488f8bdc2f4cfab422db430744535561711af03 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-12-04 (Mon, 04 Dec 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove run-on sentence that runs on Commit: 3359f1e13a507c35c2082e2f55deee86b3591004 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3359f1e13a507c35c2082e2f55deee86b3591004 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-12-04 (Mon, 04 Dec 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add a brief intro Commit: 7f0639b3b8949a112e5812fd5fa0431486cdebe3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7f0639b3b8949a112e5812fd5fa0431486cdebe3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-12-04 (Mon, 04 Dec 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #959 from quicwg/move-negotiated_version Move negotiated_version Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/01fd14609772...7f0639b3b894 ----==_mimepart_5a24ff1d31b5_12303f8b148f9c4075269-- From nobody Sun Dec 3 23:54:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E811126E7A for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 23:54:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SPOOYI9m178I for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 23:54:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 72266126E64 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 23:54:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2017 23:54:06 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1512374046; bh=30x8aY1DAphaH3ULbE+n3VvRE8fHQQ75MLkKoiMsMDE=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=eGcr2pB5nmYS35Op1jnwUgaYyQirBgCSaJdldykn2b1+TdLdA7Jv60Mbi9ACTOfGl YWU2+0VQXBUkf5gyT/euvbXsv5ZlyMtGGcH2HZOJ5jlKu/2vnBgnteK+yNZ0UZtsd6 tMuTgNXZBaFWKaHs6bHPvazjavtSrjMDJM3Fw9no= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Move negotiated_version (#959) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a24ff1ec56ef_65523ffb8c126f3416692c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 07:54:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a24ff1ec56ef_65523ffb8c126f3416692c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #959. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ocPjMbaKOCr5 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 07:53:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext7.iad.github.net [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2CEBD127843 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 07:53:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 07:53:46 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1512402826; bh=jF4dnpOWvhf9JBu4JWnaHy0Lrxp+Fm6rM352BoplDd8=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=O4tPs/6EokN4bQ+y/l16GhFDuaLFCihV2CFqlraoPLl5Tbg/mE/dzuzyXQ+VhV+uL XRc/C9CZ/TUNRQheYwB/fNFwmUFn03haQtlccTsuWlQ83hiyg9r892f1afkPlLTJfB r3CZhCoOeTheKI7nnQ+/rQnS+IHMqZd+MmuLdHWY= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include ACK delay in RTO computations (#981) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a256f8a6f3d_12ce3fb860c7ef2c1262b9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 15:53:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a256f8a6f3d_12ce3fb860c7ef2c1262b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think doing this requires explicitly communicating MaxAckDelay, but I think it would help. My understanding is that TCP would greatly benefit from having an explicitly communicated max ack delay and there's a proposal in TCPM to explicitly communicate it, so it seems useful to communicate in QUIC. Trying to infer the max based on observed data is substantially more complex and is going to be wrong if a connection hasn't been active for long. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/981#issuecomment-349004488 ----==_mimepart_5a256f8a6f3d_12ce3fb860c7ef2c1262b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't think doing this requires explicitly communicating MaxAckDelay= , but I think it would help.

My understanding is that TCP would greatly benefit from having an expl= icitly communicated max ack delay and there's a proposal in TCPM to expli= citly communicate it, so it seems useful to communicate in QUIC.

Trying to infer the max based on observed data is substantially more c= omplex and is going to be wrong if a connection hasn't been active for lo= ng.

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To Ian's point: I would not mind seeeing a "max ack delay" in the tran= sport parameters. But my point on statistics was different. The idea woul= d be to compute the likely ack delay range based on observations. This wi= ll be capped by the max delay, in the same way that RTO is capped by max = RTO. But it will often be much smaller.

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----==_mimepart_5a259d55b6b4f_227d3fd3184f2f382409d8-- From nobody Mon Dec 4 12:53:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D151289C3 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 12:53:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wfKuydKw5aB2 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 12:53:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E944D1267BB for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 12:53:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=zm8WS0WnQ6dYlCO3yRgZNjUjxaY=; b=hojMN8hhYB78jvYt ndz8QhoPeb9BzHp4Gi31zRQuZkd5llyidi1B0fc55DPvcWnuhIefczBy2TVNeFZ8 e/pJVGUKvahflW5LGAhsm+Z+pCte9p72Vhl+YD/olngUHiCSiXFz8ioOBhiE7tKg D6HCAvzMB9fmAOLGtc7gyH8d6Po= Received: by filter0243p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0243p1las1-13134-5A25B5B6-14 2017-12-04 20:53:10.890427582 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id IcQC8DtWRRKUvznTv-Guqw for ; Mon, 04 Dec 2017 20:53:10.793 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 20:53:11 +0000 (UTC) From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include ACK delay in RTO computations (#981) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a25b5b669139_25b53fe6014c2f3084724"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3bf5ApoIHhntcw0EBON9Fh9mDVVmEhXa9FqO OU2FhKfw2dB84h9BBkUa/DmaoYhi0SD/Wo8PbXbqipSMKo3hSh4bCFign84lUfKxL8uecG56ecHWeV PdFOAARMWu9ocaf2qtkIO/yiQNfJKglfYQ2AD1zmCK6Rhxt2Yjk9Zc1RYooGzxuBsirJc9U3y5JCIQ k= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 20:53:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a25b5b669139_25b53fe6014c2f3084724 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As I think about using max delay, I don't think that's a useful parameter for us. I'll try to explain my reasoning -- I could be wrong, of course. - Max Ack Delay (MAD) was proposed for TCP, AIUI, because there was no other way to get information about *any* ack delay from the peer. Specifically, including this as an option in every ack would use up scarce options space. QUIC is different in that we have this information in every ack, which is more dynamic and does not require a receiver estimation of this parameter. - Estimating MAD requires the receiver to know how long it will end up waiting before sending an ack. This estimation is plausible in the kernel with accurate timers. When QUIC is in userspace, you ideally want to measure ack delay as total host delay -- that is, the time from when the packet was received by the kernel to when an ack was sent -- and this requires the QUIC stack to estimate max scheduling latency as well. This is hard to do. - I don't think it's difficult to estimate max delay statistically from observed samples. All you need is a max filter. Of course, your estimate of the peer's max delay is always potentially wrong -- the peer could wait for longer than ever in the past -- but that's your best estimate. - With statistical estimation, if a peer that *can* control its own actual max ack delay wants to communicate it to the other side, all it has to do is delay one (or a few for resiliency) of the early acks for that amount of time. This automatically seeds the peer's estimated max ack delay. All this makes me think that we want to use ack delay, a max filter, and not use max ack delay as a parameter. @ianswett @huitema : do you disagree? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/981#issuecomment-349101663 ----==_mimepart_5a25b5b669139_25b53fe6014c2f3084724 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As I think about using max delay, I don't think that's a useful paramete= r for us. I'll try to explain my reasoning -- I could be wrong, of course.<= /p>

  • Max Ack Delay (MAD) was proposed for TCP, AIUI, because there was no oth= er way to get information about any ack delay from the peer. Speci= fically, including this as an option in every ack would use up scarce optio= ns space. QUIC is different in that we have this information in every ack, = which is more dynamic and does not require a receiver estimation of this pa= rameter.

  • Estimating MAD requires the receiver to know how long it will end up wai= ting before sending an ack. This estimation is plausible in the kernel with= accurate timers. When QUIC is in userspace, you ideally want to measure ac= k delay as total host delay -- that is, the time from when the packet was r= eceived by the kernel to when an ack was sent -- and this requires the QUIC= stack to estimate max scheduling latency as well. This is hard to do.

  • I don't think it's difficult to estimate max delay statistically from ob= served samples. All you need is a max filter. Of course, your estimate of t= he peer's max delay is always potentially wrong -- the peer could wait for = longer than ever in the past -- but that's your best estimate.

  • With statistical estimation, if a peer that can control its own= actual max ack delay wants to communicate it to the other side, all it has= to do is delay one (or a few for resiliency) of the early acks for that am= ount of time. This automatically seeds the peer's estimated max ack delay.<= /p>

All this makes me think that we want to use ack delay, a max filter, and= not use max ack delay as a parameter. @ianswett @huitema : do you disagree?

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----==_mimepart_5a25cd93e3b28_6b43f887d084f2c6266b-- From nobody Mon Dec 4 14:46:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98393128D8B for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 14:46:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ehkqFvuvFb-X for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 14:46:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from m69-169.mailgun.net (m69-169.mailgun.net [166.78.69.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 831C3126BF3 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 14:46:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1512427570; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=MOLnwVM7mcokgQGLR5hpC3HVrIFeBNPQyIuSS0A0xoM=; b=pHHAOYn5NHp7q2tuZ0ChgS+9mfJcsXOhymM184HxfQOcfE9ZvCsLqV/tAoKYWD6x4uW0Li3t bYHNhwRMB9ocP+Or+Dcg6eGijm9748ZTygtUt1jZZhYxfzl7886JL3ZsJUg4auIoImdYVwaf rpCxJp6vUiMkDaIY8SV8E1TLa7o= Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.169 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.40]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5a25d032.7f99801c8450-smtp-out-n01; Mon, 04 Dec 2017 22:46:10 -0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 14:46:09 -0800 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5a25d0317b50e_47e33fda19263c38156b1@hookshot-fe6-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 3430dd: More detailed stream states Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a25d0317aefc_47e33fda19263c3815548"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 22:46:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a25d0317aefc_47e33fda19263c3815548 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 3430ddc7544c9d511c5f6cc9dd934b25b12f9c6f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3430ddc7544c9d511c5f6cc9dd934b25b12f9c6f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-12-01 (Fri, 01 Dec 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- More detailed stream states This takes the state machines that @MikeBishop showed at the Seattle interim and turns them into text and ASCII art. I made a few changes in the process. The state where all data is available didn't turn out to be any different to the state preceding it, so I removed it. I also found it valuable to recognize that streams might be created for sending before any frames are sent (I considered doing the same for receive streams, but it complicated the transitions more than I liked, I could be convinced to add this still, it just seems less valuable). I added a section on composite states, showing how this mess all maps to stuff you already know (h2). This is still work-in-progress. I have changed the main chunk of text on states, but I haven't changed any of the rest of the document, which still talks about "idle" and all that. I'll do that next if people are generally happy with the direction this is headed. Closes #634. Commit: 7b51511f34545ac9cc49f4e85c109ad54fa9e20f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7b51511f34545ac9cc49f4e85c109ad54fa9e20f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-12-01 (Fri, 01 Dec 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Summarize what can be sent and when Commit: a1c1a2de2edbcd82756757e019f23108ac9c9d9d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a1c1a2de2edbcd82756757e019f23108ac9c9d9d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-12-01 (Fri, 01 Dec 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- The stream mapping is just a possibility Commit: b52e159725b92ee926d278c6f5364352df20399d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b52e159725b92ee926d278c6f5364352df20399d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-12-01 (Fri, 01 Dec 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Don't overdo it Commit: cf6b3eebf3445b71e4bf2ebc2f6d42d0389e1691 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cf6b3eebf3445b71e4bf2ebc2f6d42d0389e1691 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-12-01 (Fri, 01 Dec 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Complete the changes Commit: 613e4e4aa64b39f1c688cdd04f6b5d2c73921aec https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/613e4e4aa64b39f1c688cdd04f6b5d2c73921aec Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-12-01 (Fri, 01 Dec 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Forgot about MAX_STREAM_DATA Commit: ff9b1e2b6f9febd23252f24f556d031c1e7433f1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ff9b1e2b6f9febd23252f24f556d031c1e7433f1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-12-01 (Fri, 01 Dec 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Giant cluster of review feedback updates Commit: 252d039c8f1b9746c2135256b7c3d9777ccf04fe https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/252d039c8f1b9746c2135256b7c3d9777ccf04fe Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-12-01 (Fri, 01 Dec 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Minor reflow Commit: 272cab76e84e1c0d12318dc5ab1cd8b77dcf9041 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/272cab76e84e1c0d12318dc5ab1cd8b77dcf9041 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-12-05 (Tue, 05 Dec 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #894 from quicwg/stream-states-mk8 More detailed stream states Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/fd5e98e98c82...272cab76e84e ----==_mimepart_5a25d0317aefc_47e33fda19263c3815548-- From nobody Mon Dec 4 14:46:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF9A128D6F for ; 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----==_mimepart_5a25d0344fb4c_1c8d3feba1a56f28103894-- From nobody Mon Dec 4 14:52:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C54128D44 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 14:52:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c6gDP0Ik_N7K for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 14:52:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A864128D0F for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 14:52:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=BT1Q/EARQYSQdkBdXRj5pvEEz3c=; b=fq65oi0jv7iLO15o cgKcpEmodvcqDqY7SHU/db+Hcjq4QO2ELMVVRkwOHvDkBWEuh/7kh+K1TvQ7q8Xh ZLqkYY4SamFEdIT8qD1RTwNVfHAj1mUfxJpgTZVYVYSgKgk0C8tNh8W4RGoGINIi mXR0splAHqMpPwFt88NuWrbqjL4= Received: by filter0375p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0375p1las1-4352-5A25D1C2-18 2017-12-04 22:52:50.545667351 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0010p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id lp0K_LIzQASV3pae_3KSQw for ; Mon, 04 Dec 2017 22:52:50.205 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 22:52:50 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include ACK delay in RTO computations (#981) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a25d1c253b29_44cd3fd3c5dd2f38120467"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1n6OT1Tpj5j5MLZCt5khSxktyU41Y7nWj6zh 7U6eCokqBLKTMQ7kHiV46hsTmbX+ju0DqZ8ji6IF45oWtaj/+mfMPKoTHVSnsf9NYqUalaUJu+iuvR EARjt3HVj9wdx6SJ7PMa02akXUJP6YN505R9r0RpmkS8Fv21Z+/V5duvuk64B8xrkCEI4OIm7H0Dw+ U= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 22:52:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a25d1c253b29_44cd3fd3c5dd2f38120467 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can someone write out an example algorithm for determining the maximum? I'm not sure how to manage the value over time or whether it's safe to assume that it won't change. ``` ack_delay_corrected = min(last_acknowledged.time_received - last_acknowledged.time_sent, ack.ack_delay) max_ack_delay = max(max_ack_delay, ack_delay_corrected) ``` Is it this simple? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/981#issuecomment-349134002 ----==_mimepart_5a25d1c253b29_44cd3fd3c5dd2f38120467 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Can someone write out an example algorithm for determining the maximum? = I'm not sure how to manage the value over time or whether it's safe to ass= ume that it won't change.

ack_delay_corrected =3D min(last_acknowledged.time_received - la=
st_acknowledged.time_sent, ack.ack_delay)
max_ack_delay =3D max(max_ack_delay, ack_delay_corrected)

Is it this simple?

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@mar= tinthomson That's what I'd start with, but I'm concerned it could be su= bstantially incorrect in some cases.

In particular, early in a connection it's going to be wrong for a while = and if the peer wants to decrease the ack delay, it's going to stay high, u= nless an approach like @mikkelfj 's suggestion of exponential smoothing is applied.=

To prevent spurious retransmits, we want this number to estimate slightl= y high, under anticipation that previous measurements may be slightly lower= than the real max.

All this is doable, but seems a lot more complex than just sending the v= alue to the peer. We could run some experiments with gQUIC to try to compa= re the case of knowing a fixed value(25ms) to estimating this value and see= ing how far off it is in reality?

TLDR: Seems plausible, but arriving at a solution that works well in pra= ctice seems like real work involving both more thinking and experimentation= .

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@jan= aiyengar, I agree about favoring larger values (which suggests that r= eduction isn't necessary), but why not bound the value by the observed de= lay? RTO determines the time that an endpoint holds state, so an unneces= sarily inflated ack delay could be used as part of a DoS.

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ianswett@: Under what conditions do you see a client wanting to reduce= (and being able to control precisely) the ack delay over time?

Bear in mind that all this is being conservatively used under a minRTO= anyways.

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@martinthomson, sorry I misread. Your code works better.

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I agree that Martin's code just works. There is just one caveat. I would= only consider samples where the ACK acknowledges an "important" packet, in= stead of a pure acknowledgement. Otherwise, you have the scenario in which = a peer receives an ACK packet, does not acknowledge it, and some time later= sends a keep alive packet -- PING + ACK. In that case, the ACK delay can b= e way over the "maximum".

TCP LEDBAT does something a bit more complex to estimate min RTT. It com= putes the minimum RTT over a sliding window of 1 minute slices. The reason = there is that the minimum can vary over time, when routing changes, and usi= ng the wrong minimum in LEDBAT leads to poor control. We can argue that the= re is no such time dependency for the ack delay: it is purely determined by= conditions at the peer. So the simple algorithm is better, "max over the d= uration of the connection."

By the way, there is something similar going on with the time_reorde= ring_fraction and reordering_threshold variables. They too ca= n probably be estimated by observing the ACK. But that's probably for anoth= er thread.

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Connections can be very long lived and experience intermittent congestion. Would it make sense with a hard maximum + 10% over the last 5 minutes, or say, half hour?

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@huitema : The reason LEDBAT does a windowed min is for safety -- if the min went= up, but the sender is not tracking an increased min, this leads to an over= -aggressive sender. Considering LEDBAT is a scavenging sender, this is bad.= The problem is (i) quite the opposite in the current case, since keeping t= he max is the conservative option for max ack delay, and (ii) that the RTO = is inflated a bit is not anywhere near as important as the min RTT estimato= r for a delay-based congestion controller.

Your point on using ackable packets (what you call "important" packets) = is spot on. I don't think we say anything about that in the spec, and we sh= ould.

@mikkelfj= : Ack delay is not impacted by network congestion. Ack delay measures = the amount of delay experienced at the host, from receiving a packet to whe= n an ack is sent.

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I think that @huitema's suggestion to remove ack-only packets from consideration = is a necessary amendment.

We recently added min_rtt calculations. It would be good if we could le= arn from other examples here. That's currently a simplistic minimum, and u= nlike max_ack_delay, it might benefit from some more sophistication.

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----==_mimepart_5a25effa65c9b_3a363f9da17c8f341272d8-- From nobody Mon Dec 4 17:02:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EEA81242F5 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 17:02:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.595 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.595 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sac8pbk7bTCe for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 17:02:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2B1512426E for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 17:02:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2017 17:02:37 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1512435757; bh=w4m2WP99BHZ/kpQM6Q6XyiKrGOgRCP32jyC/HmzKQ3A=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=JaCnlAff3nO11y+hb3tx7K3JDu74AM8pkOlwwn22RPkg1bOs0VVXge68wsKn9jq2D 8DojHNbEfUzyg6HUnkpskSpphsUWjIbCXI8EolVxe47FNis8OC2PoUbw3uuIBZj4/+ JkrGR+GeojY2FAnVW1yKAK0zgzsO0yNkjqCq+ug0= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include ACK delay in RTO computations (#981) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a25f02da088c_d0c3fba1ced6f281993f7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 01:02:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a25f02da088c_d0c3fba1ced6f281993f7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson : We should be careful though. We added min RTT calculations in QUIC for bounding the ack delay, and I would not use a more sophisticated min estimator for just ack delay. The LEDBAT controller is fundamentally wrong if the sender's min RTT estimate is incorrect, justifying the additional complexity in min RTT. Delay estimation for congestion control tends to be more demanding. Delay estimation for loss detection/recovery doesn't need that kind of accuracy. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/981#issuecomment-349160307 ----==_mimepart_5a25f02da088c_d0c3fba1ced6f281993f7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@m= artinthomson : We should be careful though. We added min RTT calculat= ions in QUIC for bounding the ack delay, and I would not use a more sophi= sticated min estimator for just ack delay. The LEDBAT controller is funda= mentally wrong if the sender's min RTT estimate is incorrect, justifying = the additional complexity in min RTT.

Delay estimation for congestion control tends to be more demanding. De= lay estimation for loss detection/recovery doesn't need that kind of accu= racy.

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#984 implements the suggestion to remove ACK-only packets from RTT calculations.

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----==_mimepart_5a25f02ea44a8_7dd23fd318e7ef341767da-- From nobody Mon Dec 4 17:07:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD14E12426E for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 17:07:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VB9j8mh4vKEr for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 17:07:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 847E8120727 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 17:07:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=r+cimKDrup45SwJEbcQ7g2dnp0o=; b=mjxNMS6SsxHYp8ef JM7Eg2AfkN08On4kOU0gSOPlKQN41HZLD9cRPBuTh5k0teiYMG85jWZLbB5/fOjY nHC63a1KytN2zxRexbjfx+NseVzu68F+L1IFSGCXCuWcpgoMiorNlMJWamTiaEPV ZRuCOnOvbhUi2AIHxz8DnpnuIlE= Received: by filter0140p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0140p1iad2-31061-5A25F151-E 2017-12-05 01:07:29.897268881 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0007p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id N7hdGY9TSRqvwXtbSpwWTw for ; Tue, 05 Dec 2017 01:07:29.701 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 01:07:30 +0000 (UTC) From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Don't update RTT for ack-only packets (#984) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a25f1518b833_5f2e3fb21f982f2c5842c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3n08ZEpZMW95qKMNotmRVabZUuUOiLWbGwX+ bNQl84CCadGNnAXrnOj1OzZVUUuFmAbzJUXtfuDraxwTYcedovt4LKovdyasia5mL28uZc+g2zMsqK 3WtbMYbOm9eiSF0pcg/QG8WNO8SXA7VphxvDryZi5XruZKdnKG7l8UAamt6oyQVsMPAER9cB3IhRcM c= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 01:07:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a25f1518b833_5f2e3fb21f982f2c5842c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. I'm not sure this is clearly the right choice. The reason ack only packets shouldn't be considered for creating a model of ack delay is different from whether they should be considered for RTT in general. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/984#pullrequestreview-81042974 ----==_mimepart_5a25f1518b833_5f2e3fb21f982f2c5842c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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I'm not sure this is clearly the right choice. The reason ack only packets shouldn't be considered for creating a model of ack delay is different from whether they should be considered for RTT in general.

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----==_mimepart_5a25f1518b833_5f2e3fb21f982f2c5842c-- From nobody Mon Dec 4 17:07:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B7D1242F5 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 17:07:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DKEq6A6JUgRl for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 17:07:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1EFCB120727 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 17:07:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=xLM9mAeoPaORl/7glzGprBSv20o=; b=IA5fSEmRy60NzeEF H9MHn0do9KBDqhXkhtCjV/9KPsfXnDUB6h2ADI1f8M6n++tNDUF1a7K8VZQS6i1d gBA1nwwagV24eJHeek8tf6UdzlUeeOHOqGYUgMu63+kQvxiGbrfwR1iFY13fXkBt aRFwLUhQikUxypqU4qaoL8m9/FI= Received: by filter0002p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0002p1iad2-25616-5A25F162-5 2017-12-05 01:07:46.17524247 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0007p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id JZ5y4dEvRSuGYCVEqdjEwg for ; Tue, 05 Dec 2017 01:07:46.074 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 01:07:46 +0000 (UTC) From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include ACK delay in RTO computations (#981) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a25f161df12f_5f1d3fb21f982f2c437a3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak25Inh8tjnYKajP+ixm+Qd3h7WdX0qd1xVMuP YW9/Ndbka2E2CeRxY+jsS/fJ9SrmgIzbrobFOkot0FCV3Yx+1uDBarm8C/e/SgLP8eP7EoQDRWX1Ng 2pDmDaIc/G4GOLyejHnqI9pc6WuhXXQxquc8Es3csVq+ErTKf9PlaoyltQ== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 01:07:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a25f161df12f_5f1d3fb21f982f2c437a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @huitema Agreed that we should only be considering packets that are expected to generate acks(aka retransmittable) packets when looking at ack delay. @janaiyengar A client may want to reduce the ack delay once it realizes the peer is very close. For example, I can imagine a datacenter type environment where the ack delay is reduced to some very small value if the RTT is <1ms? LAN/Wifi also comes to mind. It's possible this can be accomplished by always immediately acking handshake packets and only clueing the peer into the actual ack delay post handshake. Or just lying about the ack delay until you've decided what the ack delay should be? In terms of RTO, one thing I forgot is that TCP assumes that if multiple packets are outstanding, delayed acks won't be an issue, either because we'll immediately send an ack if there's a gap or if two packets are received, we'll send an ack immediately. I believe this and the fact ack delay would be implicitly included in SRTT and RTTVAR are why TCP doesn't add ack delay into the RTO time. I don't think QUIC implementations should assume this acking behavior, since there is some evidence sending acks much less often than every 2 is highly beneficial. I'm somewhat unhappy about this, however, as it leaves us in somewhat researchy behavior in three categories: 1) Recommending an ideal acknowledgement behavior. 2) What assumptions a peer can(or can't) make about the other peer's acknowledgement behavior(ie: are past delays indicative of future ones? Are multiple packets treated differently from single packets) 3) Algorithms for determining ack delay. @huitema reordering_threshold doesn't have this problem because it's in packet number space, so it's pretty straightforward. time_reordering_fraction could, but it shouldn't as long as when ack-creating packets are received that are prior to the largest acked, acks are sent as soon as possible. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@huitema Agreed that we should only be considering packets that are expected to g= enerate acks(aka retransmittable) packets when looking at ack delay.

@janai= yengar A client may want to reduce the ack delay once it realizes the p= eer is very close. For example, I can imagine a datacenter type environmen= t where the ack delay is reduced to some very small value if the RTT is <= ;1ms? LAN/Wifi also comes to mind. It's possible this can be accomplished= by always immediately acking handshake packets and only clueing the peer i= nto the actual ack delay post handshake. Or just lying about the ack delay= until you've decided what the ack delay should be?

In terms of RTO, one thing I forgot is that TCP assumes that if multiple= packets are outstanding, delayed acks won't be an issue, either because we= 'll immediately send an ack if there's a gap or if two packets are received= , we'll send an ack immediately.

I believe this and the fact ack delay would be implicitly included in SR= TT and RTTVAR are why TCP doesn't add ack delay into the RTO time.

I don't think QUIC implementations should assume this acking behavior, s= ince there is some evidence sending acks much less often than every 2 is hi= ghly beneficial.

I'm somewhat unhappy about this, however, as it leaves us in somewhat re= searchy behavior in three categories:

  1. Recommending an ideal acknowledgement behavior.
  2. What assumptions a peer can(or can't) make about the other peer's ackno= wledgement behavior(ie: are past delays indicative of future ones? Are mul= tiple packets treated differently from single packets)
  3. Algorithms for determining ack delay.

@huitema reordering_threshold doesn't have this problem because it's in packet nu= mber space, so it's pretty straightforward. time_reordering_fraction could,= but it shouldn't as long as when ack-creating packets are received that ar= e prior to the largest acked, acks are sent as soon as possible.

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I don't think ack-only packets and acks for non-retransmittable packets are necessarily the same.

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@ianswett, I was operating on the assumption that a long ACK delay would reduce the accuracy of the RTT estimate. I agree that this might be too blunt an instrument though. I'll let you sort it out.

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I think that moving out the discussion on packet size to a subsection helps focus the attention on the most important part of this section, which is the discussion of how retransmission of frames works. Closes #849. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/985 -- Commit Summary -- * Add some suggestions for RFC 4821 probe packets. * Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md * Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md * Move PLPMTUD section a little, fix Initial * Restructure packetization section -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (115) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/985.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/985.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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This includes the changes from #849, which I have simply moved around.

I think that moving out the discussion on packet size to a subsection helps focus the attention on the most important part of this section, which is the discussion of how retransmission of frames works.

Closes #849.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/985

Commit Summary

  • Add some suggestions for RFC 4821 probe packets.
  • Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md
  • Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md
  • Move PLPMTUD section a little, fix Initial
  • Restructure packetization section

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----==_mimepart_5a26103ddb051_691a3ff8c0a3ef28766cd-- From nobody Mon Dec 4 19:19:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8326F1200C5 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 19:19:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vJu5gSI5t6uV for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 19:19:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97DAF124B17 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2017 19:19:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=5YxdTHixkhGY9XBnX3GbqyRn5uM=; b=mPVDtGDjlrcPRdFz oxAVZcTuNKwVObdr9GbmfFffZ55tcAowYI1WUS/BM2mMiQioJQ9846LOyltds0xy GftmqKB4bbm4UDjC9I2VQEa4liUMbzwbtcgbo8xAJHYTv2DP/CiI0OKhPI81Agdh Sb+K6N9slKxwH0WqdFl2Kq93b0g= Received: by filter0522p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0522p1las1-27943-5A261054-2D 2017-12-05 03:19:48.601032224 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id ZGf1yBOMS8S6z2weqws1Wg for ; Tue, 05 Dec 2017 03:19:48.511 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 03:19:48 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (776debf) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a26105468ab5_691a3ff8c0a3ef28825e8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0mEjXoG7rneNWaJH3Q5f6fNOq230MDUvKReB DbEVnOBUHCdHkfuC6zgZDYCXMoV4umlNrVGFkSIrgIqh7SDz7tMvSVtMzDNT+Ks8ywt6EbDUUVA6Dg DXws9/T2RhTlAlGjVzQXPn0iV2ptcoNJjwKWwLVerdPnZMJKrFhLLxpyZlCXBr+FyxV7yJcan09mX3 I= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 03:19:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a26105468ab5_691a3ff8c0a3ef28825e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hah, we were both working on the same change, I've integrated this into my PR -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/776debf0e45ffe72d76574f479a704671435c776#commitcomment-26050262 ----==_mimepart_5a26105468ab5_691a3ff8c0a3ef28825e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

hah, we were both working on the same change, I've integrated this into my PR

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@martinduke, this has a few structural issues that I'd like to resolve. Can you check #985?

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closes #930. 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Closes #930.

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  • Stateless reset is version-specific

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The former is an argument, the latter doesn't appear to be defined anywhere. I think that they are the same thing.

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This all seems sensible, but remember to document these little divergences from TCP.

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Some rewording and added one normative.

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Now that we have varints in the protocol, the only integers not using them are packet numbers. This seems a little odd. Using varints for packet numbers could simplify implementations, as well as s simplifying the short header, by removing the need for a Type field.

There seem to be to be two broad approaches for doing this (well, three, including "don't")

  • Do nothing. Packet numbers continue to be defined as modular, and to have a separate integer encoding from varint encoding in the frames. This requires two separate bits of code for handling packet numbers and all other integers in the protocol.

  • Use varint packet numbers, and require the full packet number to always be transmitted. This has the advantage that integer code can be used everywhere, but now that we're starting the packet number space between 0 and 2^32-1 (which would probably be 2^29-1 with this proposal to ensure that varint 30 could always be used for short flows), would be less efficient on the wire.

  • Use varint packet numbers, but allow the sender to choose to use a 6-, 14-, 30-, or 62-byte varint to represent the least significant 6, 14, 30, or 62 bytes of the packet number as with the current logic. This would retain the advantage of simplifying the short header, and following the principle of least surprise, but nullifies some of the code simplification advantages.

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----==_mimepart_5a26815bd7fef_796e3f95b389cf2829764c-- From nobody Tue Dec 5 07:50:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22AD1129548 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 07:50:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.615 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.615 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nx6g6HWXNEDd for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 07:50:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F6901294C7 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 07:50:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=0Tvbh3HmQHXh539xzIalXPYDGGM=; b=pxCMoARf9IF9Dauj 2fkF0LPUxV/Z9uN7CURJea4t5ahNYCOOHvujTAGBS0s6s73KzfdA9wXXY7zLCb31 dtbNvDI3Yk3blmae4s6KY2/BKykdjewrQPDA/DJnze3U6eBJU6LxPS1o+zUq1pRI samDnNK0H7m3dwK5t6erF0Huy2E= Received: by filter0094p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0094p1las1-19560-5A26C02A-5 2017-12-05 15:50:02.257298069 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id wkgKwX3hTxS38ZCCRm_oYg for ; Tue, 05 Dec 2017 15:50:02.085 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 15:50:02 +0000 (UTC) From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] varint packet numbers (#989) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a26c029ca7eb_17e33faca104ef38140057"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2xy5ISh0B3H8rGixnnS72K1yWgjgce9pRkKm MiEGD+WHG5jFTCmbTMphXn5gxFJ8gix5h8LXKhUifhrlRKl7ySL5vCv5qIWE1RCWFjRkHXiMt8QXes afF7cADTTTn/F/kvE0s2K+AX7zsDeTESeCuaEEB0pQBd6UdY2AOsRNv/5w== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 15:50:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a26c029ca7eb_17e33faca104ef38140057 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like the fact this would allow us to specify the full 62 bit packet number if we wanted. If we do this, I think we should do this for both the short and long header. I do not want to require the full packet number always be transmitted. TCP has used a similar approach for wrapping sequence numbers for decades without issue. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/989#issuecomment-349346145 ----==_mimepart_5a26c029ca7eb_17e33faca104ef38140057 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I like the fact this would allow us to specify the full 62 bit packet nu= mber if we wanted.

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I also prefer the third option. The single byte variant is not very usef= ul unless you only send a ping every other minute or so. It could be used f= or encoding 126-bit packet numbers in some future QUIC version.

Using the varint format throughout while only encoding the modulo would = make such a change fairly easy. There are probably some gremlins hidden in = the frame headers - for example the flow control max values could be module= 2^64.

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The simplest model presents the stream as -"open" when either send or receive stream is in a non-terminal state and -"closed" when both send and receive streams are in a terminal state. +Implementations might represent the state of the bidirectional stream as a +composite of the states of the constituent send and receive streams. The nits: I a prefer lower case 'may' to 'might' in the line above. Should it states be plural? I think constituent is unnecessary > reset. STOP_SENDING is most useful for streams in the "Recv" or "Size Known" states. An endpoint is expected to send another STOP_SENDING frame if a packet -containing the frame is lost. However, once either all stream data or a -RST_STREAM frame has been received for the stream - that is, the stream is in -any state other than "Recv" or "Size Known" - sending a STOP_SENDING frame is -unnecessary. +containing a previous STOP_SENDING is lost. However, once either all stream +data or a RST_STREAM frame has been received for the stream - that is, the +stream is in any state other than "Recv" or "Size Known" - sending a +STOP_SENDING frame is unnecessary. Above you changed it so it's SHOULD. Should it be changed here as well? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/988#pullrequestreview-81267031 ----==_mimepart_5a26d6649ea67_47ae3ff153528f3035458 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3087,16 +3087,17 @@ state as a result of delayed delivery of packets.
 ### Bidirectional Stream States {#stream-bidi-states}
 
 A bidirectional stream is composed of a send stream and a receive stream.
-Implementations might present the state of the pair of streams as a composite of
-the states of the pair of streams.  The simplest model presents the stream as
-"open" when either send or receive stream is in a non-terminal state and
-"closed" when both send and receive streams are in a terminal state.
+Implementations might represent the state of the bidirectional stream as a
+composite of the states of the constituent send and receive streams.  The

nits:
I a prefer lower case 'may' to 'might' in the line above.
Should it states be plural?
I think constituent is unnecessary

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  reset. STOP_SENDING is most useful for streams in the "Recv" or "Size Known"
 states.
 
 An endpoint is expected to send another STOP_SENDING frame if a packet
-containing the frame is lost.  However, once either all stream data or a
-RST_STREAM frame has been received for the stream - that is, the stream is in
-any state other than "Recv" or "Size Known" - sending a STOP_SENDING frame is
-unnecessary.
+containing a previous STOP_SENDING is lost.  However, once either all stream
+data or a RST_STREAM frame has been received for the stream - that is, the
+stream is in any state other than "Recv" or "Size Known" - sending a
+STOP_SENDING frame is unnecessary.

Above you changed it so it's SHOULD. Should it be changed here as well?

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Jana and I discussed this today and he convinced me there's no need for = explicitly communicating ack delay, at least until it's shown to be a probl= em.

The plan is:

  1. alarm_duration =3D smoothed_rtt + 4 * rttvar + max_ack_delay
  2. Justify why max_ack_delay is being added to RTO time, which is because = we're subtracting the peer's ack delay from SRTT and RTTVAR , so both of th= ose are expected to be smaller than their TCP equivalents.
  3. max_ack_delay =3D max(max_ack_delay, ack.ack_delay) where ack.ack_delay= is an ack delay that was used in an RTT sample. Peer communicated ack del= ays that are ignored because they cause the RTT to drop below min_rtt are i= gnored to avoid inflating the max_ack_delay. Any time the largest acked is= an ack-only packet, the ack delay is also ignored, as @huitema suggested.
  4. No change will be made to min RTO at the moment, but we'll open another= issue to discuss whether that should be kept.
  5. We may want to set max_ack_delay to a default of 25ms until at least on= e delayed ack is observed. I can imagine some algorithms here, but I'd rat= her not specify anything(ie: just initialize max_ack_delay to 0) until we a= re happy with the algorithm.

@janai= yengar Feel free to correct me, and others should feel free to comment = if they think anything here doesn't make sense.

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= ----==_mimepart_5a26ee28b3c8d_27953ff26aa36f281868d8-- From nobody Tue Dec 5 11:54:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 096691270A7 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 11:54:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zV90zxvzrDk6 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 11:54:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9C3112025C for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 11:54:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=sO8CxpirWn/tQOOJOPHCM1VTIAE=; b=oBSc7gMPrnPicLN9 bDrjWQV0tZ3ONOAKSYt1rCkDNY10yxi3zXk8oDuYiUUQ2thaNE4vdYn5CETa3BYn +adisa6aU+Ft+wyFDkuWRtAMOGoL6GSyJ0nFebSpWSJiWyuDShqHd79vzY/XeDmf gfjvnsNoRzIWijmvj4QRvCTyjQg= Received: by filter1106p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1106p1mdw1-23325-5A26F96D-11 2017-12-05 19:54:21.324467129 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0024p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 0Anoy454Qwabl5tC8j5abA for ; Tue, 05 Dec 2017 19:54:21.125 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 19:54:21 +0000 (UTC) From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Neccessity and viability of hidden connection migration linkage (#990) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a26f96d1cac6_5ff83f8e896c6f2c21593d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1ykUZcZHTjvJrO/cy0Q0QneZ9AAGURY9jjjy 46uRJltlyerztF/uxPNuLnL4uS3cSTYlj5GeP3Uis5z7PtogNQI0C/CynyvNLPrD/CU/EEK5ZgUK+K Y1tJgPGIa5enIlLPyXdxYc+WyyXvNa9vP0OMOzqtzDWfE1QUsiCCRS5+tk7ee/t+kW+4dXszD1goD7 4= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 19:54:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a26f96d1cac6_5ff83f8e896c6f2c21593d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If it is desirable to break linkage between connections during path migration then the current approach of skipping random 2^32 packet numbers is likely insufficient. An oberserver can easily detect decrease in traffic on one connection and a sudden new packet sequence that is higher at some offset. Depending on how many packets have been sent, the migration might just look like a new connection, or it might fall in a higher packet range indicating a migratin with some propability. If packet numbers are reset upon migration with a new random number in the range 0..2^32 (ca.) such linkage is more limited. The argument goes both ways - resetting adds complexity, and it might not solve the problem: The silence of one connection and the activity of a new connection could suggest linkage with some probability. When further considering GeoIP, even if on a different network, say wired vs mobile the chances of association increases. Add traffic pattern and timing analysis, and you can probably pin-point migrations with high accuracy. So, what is the objective of preventing linkage and if it is worthwhile, shouldn't at least packet numbers be encrypted? Network operators would likely be very upset about non-public packet numbers due to latency and loss monitoring. Even with encrypted packet numbers linkage might not be too difficult given the amount of data available. Would it make sense to encrypt the connection ID? Not likely due information in IP/UDP. Some links on user tracking in Tor networks: https://www.scmagazine.com/researchers-discover-dns-exploit-that-can-identify-tor-users/article/527591/ https://securelist.com/uncovering-tor-users-where-anonymity-ends-in-the-darknet/70673/ -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/990 ----==_mimepart_5a26f96d1cac6_5ff83f8e896c6f2c21593d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

If it is desirable to break linkage between connections during path migration then the current approach of skipping random 2^32 packet numbers is likely insufficient.

An oberserver can easily detect decrease in traffic on one connection and a sudden new packet sequence that is higher at some offset. Depending on how many packets have been sent, the migration might just look like a new connection, or it might fall in a higher packet range indicating a migratin with some propability.

If packet numbers are reset upon migration with a new random number in the range 0..2^32 (ca.) such linkage is more limited. The argument goes both ways - resetting adds complexity, and it might not solve the problem:

The silence of one connection and the activity of a new connection could suggest linkage with some probability. When further considering GeoIP, even if on a different network, say wired vs mobile the chances of association increases. Add traffic pattern and timing analysis, and you can probably pin-point migrations with high accuracy.

So, what is the objective of preventing linkage and if it is worthwhile, shouldn't at least packet numbers be encrypted?

Network operators would likely be very upset about non-public packet numbers due to latency and loss monitoring.

Even with encrypted packet numbers linkage might not be too difficult given the amount of data available.

Would it make sense to encrypt the connection ID? Not likely due information in IP/UDP.

Some links on user tracking in Tor networks:
https://www.scmagazine.com/researchers-discover-dns-exploit-that-can-identify-tor-users/article/527591/
https://securelist.com/uncovering-tor-users-where-anonymity-ends-in-the-darknet/70673/

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Thanks for writing this up. A few comments. > * If there are more than one unacknowledged packets, PTO SHOULD be scheduled for max(2*SRTT, 10ms). * If RTO ({{rto}}) is earlier, schedule a TLP alarm in its place. That is, PTO SHOULD be scheduled for min(RTO, PTO). -kDelayedAckTimeout is the expected delayed ACK timer. When there is exactly one -unacknowledged packet, the alarm duration includes time for a delayed -acknowledgment to be received by including kDelayedAckTimeout. - -The RECOMMENDED value for kDelayedAckTimeout is 25ms. - -(TODO: Add negotiability of delayed ack timeout.) +MaxAckDelay is the maximum ack delay supplied in an incoming ack frame. +Ack delays that are aren't used for an RTT sample or reference ack-only packets nit: It's not clear what it means to say Ack delays that reference ack-only packets... I would leave this at "aren't used for an RTT sample.", and remove "or reference ack-only packets" > @@ -517,9 +520,9 @@ transmit or exceeding the reordering window in time. sent_packets: : An association of packet numbers to information about them, including a number field indicating the packet number, a time field indicating the time a packet - was sent, and a bytes field indicating the packet's size. sent_packets is - ordered by packet number, and packets remain in sent_packets until - acknowledged or lost. + was sent, a boolean indicating whether the packet is ack only, and a bytes s/ack only/ackable. I think this constraint needs to be more than just ack only packets. > @@ -569,6 +573,7 @@ Pseudocode for OnPacketSent follows: largest_sent_packet = packet_number sent_packets[packet_number].packet_number = packet_number sent_packets[packet_number].time = now + sent_packets[packet_number].ack_only = is_ack_only nit: is_ackable > @@ -602,6 +607,10 @@ Pseudocode for OnAckReceived and UpdateRtt follow: // Adjust for ack delay if it's plausible. if (latest_rtt - min_rtt > ack_delay): latest_rtt -= ack_delay + // Only save into max ack delay if it's used + // for rtt calculation and is not ack only. ditto -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/991#pullrequestreview-81320437 ----==_mimepart_5a26fe7850f21_1c0c3fc3f64c2f3010033f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Thanks for writing this up. A few comments.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
 * If there are more than one unacknowledged packets, PTO SHOULD be scheduled for
   max(2*SRTT, 10ms).
 
 * If RTO ({{rto}}) is earlier, schedule a TLP alarm in its place. That is,
   PTO SHOULD be scheduled for min(RTO, PTO).
 
-kDelayedAckTimeout is the expected delayed ACK timer.  When there is exactly one
-unacknowledged packet, the alarm duration includes time for a delayed
-acknowledgment to be received by including kDelayedAckTimeout.
-
-The RECOMMENDED value for kDelayedAckTimeout is 25ms.
-
-(TODO: Add negotiability of delayed ack timeout.)
+MaxAckDelay is the maximum ack delay supplied in an incoming ack frame.
+Ack delays that are aren't used for an RTT sample or reference ack-only packets

nit: It's not clear what it means to say Ack delays that reference ack-only packets... I would leave this at "aren't used for an RTT sample.", and remove "or reference ack-only packets"

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -517,9 +520,9 @@ transmit or exceeding the reordering window in time.
 sent_packets:
 : An association of packet numbers to information about them, including a number
   field indicating the packet number, a time field indicating the time a packet
-  was sent, and a bytes field indicating the packet's size.  sent_packets is
-  ordered by packet number, and packets remain in sent_packets until
-  acknowledged or lost.
+  was sent, a boolean indicating whether the packet is ack only, and a bytes

s/ack only/ackable. I think this constraint needs to be more than just ack only packets.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -569,6 +573,7 @@ Pseudocode for OnPacketSent follows:
    largest_sent_packet = packet_number
    sent_packets[packet_number].packet_number = packet_number
    sent_packets[packet_number].time = now
+   sent_packets[packet_number].ack_only = is_ack_only

nit: is_ackable

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -602,6 +607,10 @@ Pseudocode for OnAckReceived and UpdateRtt follow:
      // Adjust for ack delay if it's plausible.
      if (latest_rtt - min_rtt > ack_delay):
        latest_rtt -= ack_delay
+       // Only save into max ack delay if it's used
+       // for rtt calculation and is not ack only.

ditto

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Ok, let's leave the ackable discussion to later; I'm fine with ack only. There's one nit I'll leave you to address. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/991#pullrequestreview-81323628 ----==_mimepart_5a270063669e9_1e273f7fb1aa4f2c191883 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Ok, let's leave the ackable discussion to later; I'm fine with ack only. There's one nit I'll leave you to address.

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Thank you for summarizing, @ianswett, this plan SGTM.

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Thanks for adding more explanatory text. A few comments. > -A PTO value of at least 2*SRTT ensures that the ACK is overdue. Using a PTO of -exactly 1*SRTT may generate spurious probes, and 2*SRTT is simply the next -integral value of RTT. +QUIC diverges from TCP by calculating MaxAckDelay dynamically, instead of +assuming a constant value for all connections. It includes this in all probe TCP doesn't assume a constant value for all connections. I would say something like "instead of implicitly including it in the SRTT and RTTVAR estimates". > -The values of 2 and 1.5 are based on -{{?LOSS-PROBE=I-D.dukkipati-tcpm-tcp-loss-probe}}, but implementations MAY -experiment with other constants. +A PTO value of at least 1.5*SRTT ensures that the ACK is overdue. The of 1.5 missing word: "The value of". > @@ -372,10 +366,17 @@ one significantly increases resilience to packet drop in both directions, thus reducing the probability of consecutive RTO events. QUIC's RTO algorithm differs from TCP in that the firing of an RTO alarm is not -considered a strong enough signal of packet loss. An RTO alarm fires only when +considered a strong enough signal of packet loss, so does not result in an +immediate change to CWND or recovery state. An RTO alarm fires only when is CWND defined by here? or should it be "congestion window"? I'd prefer spelling it out in any case. > there's a prolonged period of network silence, which could be caused by a change in the underlying network RTT. +QUIC also diverges from TCP by including MaxAckDelay in the RTO period. QUIC is +able to explicitly model the ack delay via the ack delay field in the ack frame. +Because QUIC is subtracting this delay from both SRTT and it is expected to s/is subtracting/subtracts/ It doesn't subtract this delay from SRTT... also this sentence is a bit of a run-on. Suggestion: "Since QUIC ignores this delay in its SRTT and RTTVAR computations, it is necessary to add this delay explicitly in the RTO computation.". -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/991#pullrequestreview-81331270 ----==_mimepart_5a27085bd63d5_24fd3f8087b80f28165611 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Thanks for adding more explanatory text. A few comments.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-A PTO value of at least 2*SRTT ensures that the ACK is overdue. Using a PTO of
-exactly 1*SRTT may generate spurious probes, and 2*SRTT is simply the next
-integral value of RTT.
+QUIC diverges from TCP by calculating MaxAckDelay dynamically, instead of
+assuming a constant value for all connections.  It includes this in all probe

TCP doesn't assume a constant value for all connections. I would say something like "instead of implicitly including it in the SRTT and RTTVAR estimates".

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-The values of 2 and 1.5 are based on
-{{?LOSS-PROBE=I-D.dukkipati-tcpm-tcp-loss-probe}}, but implementations MAY
-experiment with other constants.
+A PTO value of at least 1.5*SRTT ensures that the ACK is overdue.  The of 1.5

missing word: "The value of".

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -372,10 +366,17 @@ one significantly increases resilience to packet drop in both directions, thus
 reducing the probability of consecutive RTO events.
 
 QUIC's RTO algorithm differs from TCP in that the firing of an RTO alarm is not
-considered a strong enough signal of packet loss. An RTO alarm fires only when
+considered a strong enough signal of packet loss, so does not result in an
+immediate change to CWND or recovery state. An RTO alarm fires only when

is CWND defined by here? or should it be "congestion window"? I'd prefer spelling it out in any case.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  there's a prolonged period of network silence, which could be caused by a change
 in the underlying network RTT.
 
+QUIC also diverges from TCP by including MaxAckDelay in the RTO period.  QUIC is
+able to explicitly model the ack delay via the ack delay field in the ack frame.
+Because QUIC is subtracting this delay from both SRTT and it is expected to

s/is subtracting/subtracts/
It doesn't subtract this delay from SRTT... also this sentence is a bit of a run-on. Suggestion: "Since QUIC ignores this delay in its SRTT and RTTVAR computations, it is necessary to add this delay explicitly in the RTO computation.".

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One comment I didn't fully address, but PTAL > -A PTO value of at least 2*SRTT ensures that the ACK is overdue. Using a PTO of -exactly 1*SRTT may generate spurious probes, and 2*SRTT is simply the next -integral value of RTT. +QUIC diverges from TCP by calculating MaxAckDelay dynamically, instead of +assuming a constant value for all connections. It includes this in all probe I state that below, but I updated this text to be a bit more specific. > @@ -372,10 +366,17 @@ one significantly increases resilience to packet drop in both directions, thus reducing the probability of consecutive RTO events. QUIC's RTO algorithm differs from TCP in that the firing of an RTO alarm is not -considered a strong enough signal of packet loss. An RTO alarm fires only when +considered a strong enough signal of packet loss, so does not result in an +immediate change to CWND or recovery state. An RTO alarm fires only when Done > there's a prolonged period of network silence, which could be caused by a change in the underlying network RTT. +QUIC also diverges from TCP by including MaxAckDelay in the RTO period. QUIC is +able to explicitly model the ack delay via the ack delay field in the ack frame. +Because QUIC is subtracting this delay from both SRTT and it is expected to Agreed, fixed. > @@ -517,9 +520,9 @@ transmit or exceeding the reordering window in time. sent_packets: : An association of packet numbers to information about them, including a number field indicating the packet number, a time field indicating the time a packet - was sent, and a bytes field indicating the packet's size. sent_packets is - ordered by packet number, and packets remain in sent_packets until - acknowledged or lost. + was sent, a boolean indicating whether the packet is ack only, and a bytes As discussed, in a future PR. > @@ -569,6 +573,7 @@ Pseudocode for OnPacketSent follows: largest_sent_packet = packet_number sent_packets[packet_number].packet_number = packet_number sent_packets[packet_number].time = now + sent_packets[packet_number].ack_only = is_ack_only ack > @@ -602,6 +607,10 @@ Pseudocode for OnAckReceived and UpdateRtt follow: // Adjust for ack delay if it's plausible. if (latest_rtt - min_rtt > ack_delay): latest_rtt -= ack_delay + // Only save into max ack delay if it's used + // for rtt calculation and is not ack only. ack -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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One comment I didn't fully address, but PTAL

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-A PTO value of at least 2*SRTT ensures that the ACK is overdue. Using a PTO of
-exactly 1*SRTT may generate spurious probes, and 2*SRTT is simply the next
-integral value of RTT.
+QUIC diverges from TCP by calculating MaxAckDelay dynamically, instead of
+assuming a constant value for all connections.  It includes this in all probe

I state that below, but I updated this text to be a bit more specific.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -372,10 +366,17 @@ one significantly increases resilience to packet drop in both directions, thus
 reducing the probability of consecutive RTO events.
 
 QUIC's RTO algorithm differs from TCP in that the firing of an RTO alarm is not
-considered a strong enough signal of packet loss. An RTO alarm fires only when
+considered a strong enough signal of packet loss, so does not result in an
+immediate change to CWND or recovery state. An RTO alarm fires only when

Done

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  there's a prolonged period of network silence, which could be caused by a change
 in the underlying network RTT.
 
+QUIC also diverges from TCP by including MaxAckDelay in the RTO period.  QUIC is
+able to explicitly model the ack delay via the ack delay field in the ack frame.
+Because QUIC is subtracting this delay from both SRTT and it is expected to

Agreed, fixed.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -517,9 +520,9 @@ transmit or exceeding the reordering window in time.
 sent_packets:
 : An association of packet numbers to information about them, including a number
   field indicating the packet number, a time field indicating the time a packet
-  was sent, and a bytes field indicating the packet's size.  sent_packets is
-  ordered by packet number, and packets remain in sent_packets until
-  acknowledged or lost.
+  was sent, a boolean indicating whether the packet is ack only, and a bytes

As discussed, in a future PR.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -569,6 +573,7 @@ Pseudocode for OnPacketSent follows:
    largest_sent_packet = packet_number
    sent_packets[packet_number].packet_number = packet_number
    sent_packets[packet_number].time = now
+   sent_packets[packet_number].ack_only = is_ack_only

ack

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -602,6 +607,10 @@ Pseudocode for OnAckReceived and UpdateRtt follow:
      // Adjust for ack delay if it's plausible.
      if (latest_rtt - min_rtt > ack_delay):
        latest_rtt -= ack_delay
+       // Only save into max ack delay if it's used
+       // for rtt calculation and is not ack only.

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Using a PTO of -exactly 1*SRTT may generate spurious probes, and 2*SRTT is simply the next -integral value of RTT. +QUIC diverges from TCP by calculating MaxAckDelay dynamically, instead of +assuming a constant value for all connections. It includes this in all probe +timeouts, because it assume the ack delay may come into play, regardless of s/assume/assumes > @@ -372,9 +366,15 @@ one significantly increases resilience to packet drop in both directions, thus reducing the probability of consecutive RTO events. QUIC's RTO algorithm differs from TCP in that the firing of an RTO alarm is not -considered a strong enough signal of packet loss. An RTO alarm fires only when -there's a prolonged period of network silence, which could be caused by a change -in the underlying network RTT. +considered a strong enough signal of packet loss, so does not result in an +immediate change to congestion window or recovery state. An RTO alarm fires only +when there's a prolonged period of network silence, which could be caused by a +change in the underlying network RTT. + +QUIC also diverges from TCP by including MaxAckDelay in the RTO period. QUIC is +able to explicitly model the ack delay via the ack delay field in the ack frame. s/model the ack delay/model delay at the receiver/ s/ack frame/ACK frame/ -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/991#pullrequestreview-81357591 ----==_mimepart_5a271d9686132_277c3f99b36eaf284489c0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

one nit, but lgtm

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-A PTO value of at least 2*SRTT ensures that the ACK is overdue. Using a PTO of
-exactly 1*SRTT may generate spurious probes, and 2*SRTT is simply the next
-integral value of RTT.
+QUIC diverges from TCP by calculating MaxAckDelay dynamically, instead of
+assuming a constant value for all connections.  It includes this in all probe
+timeouts, because it assume the ack delay may come into play, regardless of

s/assume/assumes

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -372,9 +366,15 @@ one significantly increases resilience to packet drop in both directions, thus
 reducing the probability of consecutive RTO events.
 
 QUIC's RTO algorithm differs from TCP in that the firing of an RTO alarm is not
-considered a strong enough signal of packet loss. An RTO alarm fires only when
-there's a prolonged period of network silence, which could be caused by a change
-in the underlying network RTT.
+considered a strong enough signal of packet loss, so does not result in an
+immediate change to congestion window or recovery state. An RTO alarm fires only
+when there's a prolonged period of network silence, which could be caused by a
+change in the underlying network RTT.
+
+QUIC also diverges from TCP by including MaxAckDelay in the RTO period.  QUIC is
+able to explicitly model the ack delay via the ack delay field in the ack frame.

s/model the ack delay/model delay at the receiver/
s/ack frame/ACK frame/

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----==_mimepart_5a272e8f1f353_27e83fc6ee29af28103183-- From nobody Tue Dec 5 15:42:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58E26120726 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 15:42:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xzDyN7svyZNM for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 15:42:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from m69-169.mailgun.net (m69-169.mailgun.net [166.78.69.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D30121273E2 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 15:42:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1512517341; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=1l4O2FRh0t4nLRSpLwiObIDanxgsVRcu3VEB6PpjbeI=; b=pUuR7MHCjJCg8/tGH5W9IuHr0Z7FfPrgi/V3MrATvJ0rW0ycxG/+vlgGlJixy0d04xSJCDTv otTC82aW+VkkFglrz0FjsISfATIqqhqixQbcVjCy8HOcByAzlC0VrVk6sV2QUTwV9E2Gnyik 68dMKJG6eewjmrvCIk2oiCdnDoE= Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.169 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.36]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5a272edc.7f7fe4208780-smtp-out-n01; Tue, 05 Dec 2017 23:42:20 -0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 15:42:20 -0800 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5a272edcb8c69_37ae2b0e9b1c1c0c6393f@hookshot-fe-cace476.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] ea7e3c: Stateless reset is version-specific Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a272edcb88d6_37ae2b0e9b1c1c0c638a0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 23:42:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a272edcb88d6_37ae2b0e9b1c1c0c638a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: ea7e3c2ad95eee32982646b942b56e4ae685052f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ea7e3c2ad95eee32982646b942b56e4ae685052f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-12-05 (Tue, 05 Dec 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Stateless reset is version-specific Closes #930. 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STOP_SENDING is most useful for streams in the "Recv" or "Size Known" states. An endpoint is expected to send another STOP_SENDING frame if a packet -containing the frame is lost. However, once either all stream data or a -RST_STREAM frame has been received for the stream - that is, the stream is in -any state other than "Recv" or "Size Known" - sending a STOP_SENDING frame is -unnecessary. +containing a previous STOP_SENDING is lost. However, once either all stream +data or a RST_STREAM frame has been received for the stream - that is, the +stream is in any state other than "Recv" or "Size Known" - sending a +STOP_SENDING frame is unnecessary. SHOULD doesn't make sense here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/988#discussion_r155111322 ----==_mimepart_5a2730f5b8a82_6e513fe920648f2c27775b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  reset. STOP_SENDING is most useful for streams in the "Recv" or "Size Known"
 states.
 
 An endpoint is expected to send another STOP_SENDING frame if a packet
-containing the frame is lost.  However, once either all stream data or a
-RST_STREAM frame has been received for the stream - that is, the stream is in
-any state other than "Recv" or "Size Known" - sending a STOP_SENDING frame is
-unnecessary.
+containing a previous STOP_SENDING is lost.  However, once either all stream
+data or a RST_STREAM frame has been received for the stream - that is, the
+stream is in any state other than "Recv" or "Size Known" - sending a
+STOP_SENDING frame is unnecessary.

SHOULD doesn't make sense here.

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

Thanks Ian, comments addressed.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3087,16 +3087,17 @@ state as a result of delayed delivery of packets.
 ### Bidirectional Stream States {#stream-bidi-states}
 
 A bidirectional stream is composed of a send stream and a receive stream.
-Implementations might present the state of the pair of streams as a composite of
-the states of the pair of streams.  The simplest model presents the stream as
-"open" when either send or receive stream is in a non-terminal state and
-"closed" when both send and receive streams are in a terminal state.
+Implementations might represent the state of the bidirectional stream as a
+composite of the states of the constituent send and receive streams.  The

done

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  reset. STOP_SENDING is most useful for streams in the "Recv" or "Size Known"
 states.
 
 An endpoint is expected to send another STOP_SENDING frame if a packet
-containing the frame is lost.  However, once either all stream data or a
-RST_STREAM frame has been received for the stream - that is, the stream is in
-any state other than "Recv" or "Size Known" - sending a STOP_SENDING frame is
-unnecessary.
+containing a previous STOP_SENDING is lost.  However, once either all stream
+data or a RST_STREAM frame has been received for the stream - that is, the
+stream is in any state other than "Recv" or "Size Known" - sending a
+STOP_SENDING frame is unnecessary.

I think of this as justification for why it's a SHOULD above, so I'd prefer to leave this text as is.

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Since the varints won't affect the invariants [1], we can decide this mo= re or less at our leisure. For the record, this won't be in -08.

Note that this isn't as simple as is being made out. With a varint enco= der you pass a byte offset and you get back a number and a new byte offset.= With a varint, you need to pay attention to how much the byte offset move= s so that you can overwrite the correct number of bits to the left of the b= its you got.

[1] ... not to mention the varmints.

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You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/992 -- Commit Summary -- * Rework draining period into two (or three) states * Updates based on review feedback * Key Update and Migration in closing/draining (#965) * Really land #965 this time -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (11) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/992.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/992.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/992 ----==_mimepart_5a274dddba53d_72f13fa22954ef38502859 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm using a PR for transparency, but I will merge this once everything checks out.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/992

Commit Summary

  • Rework draining period into two (or three) states
  • Updates based on review feedback
  • Key Update and Migration in closing/draining (#965)
  • Really land #965 this time

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Since the varints won't affect the invariants [1], we can decide this mo= re or less at our leisure...

Yep, I mainly filed this now because it seems logical enough that I figu= red someone else had already filed it, and I couldn't find it.

Re: difficulty: agreed, this is not quite as simple as overlayi= ng 32 LSB on a 64 bit internal packet number and wrapping around (as with t= he present headers), but an informational appendix on How To Use Varints / = a wiki / a reference implementation would go a long way to showing people h= ow to keep the gremlins at bay.

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for @huitema, or really just because I forgot

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Commit Summary

  • Add changelog for -08, transport
  • Add changelog for -08, tls
  • Stub for -09, transport
  • Add changelog for -08, http

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Wed, 06 Dec 2017 10:03:22 -0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 02:03:21 -0800 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5a27c0696eba3_75c92ad39507dbfc68181@hookshot-fe-d252ca1.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 0b05b9: Rework draining period into two (or three) states Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a27c0696e703_75c92ad39507dbfc6808c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 10:13:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a27c0696e703_75c92ad39507dbfc6808c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 0b05b99661c01e881f5e317ce22f4369224b0589 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0b05b99661c01e881f5e317ce22f4369224b0589 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-10-25 (Wed, 25 Oct 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Rework draining period into two (or three) states As @ekr points out, there was definitely more than one closing state. I've modified this to the following three: 1. draining - when you know that the other side is closing, this is just to absorb stray packets 2. closing - when you have initiated the close and you need to re-send the close in addition to absorbing stray packets (this could be longer than the 3RTO period if we like, but I've opted for keeping a shared timer) 3. timed out - when you timed out, and you are willing to revive the connection if new packets arrive; this one being optional In the process I realized that we needed greater clarity about how to respond to a closing frame (thanks to @huitema for the prompting). I allow the recipient to generate one closing frame, but no more than that. They enter the draining period thereafter and can't send any more packets. Having two peers in the closing state could result in a constant back-and-forth. Editorial: I added the term "closing frame" to cover CONNECTION_CLOSE and APPLICATION_CLOSE collectively, which were getting cumbersome. Closes #871. Commit: 60bc0046a2efe716be401a08bb590220a331484a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/60bc0046a2efe716be401a08bb590220a331484a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-11-29 (Wed, 29 Nov 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Updates based on review feedback Commit: 87c569df8c9af33b7bffd760d1858351ff7dffcb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/87c569df8c9af33b7bffd760d1858351ff7dffcb Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-11-29 (Wed, 29 Nov 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Key Update and Migration in closing/draining (#965) * Key Update and Migration in closing/draining * Grammo * Suggested rewording Commit: 29525ef04b0431e8c3aa43b46b66da67fc0a08c3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/29525ef04b0431e8c3aa43b46b66da67fc0a08c3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-12-06 (Wed, 06 Dec 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Really land #965 this time Merging #965 put the changes on a dead branch, which we subsequently deleted. This includes the changes for real this time. 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This is correct, but later the TLS document uses the terminology protected and unprotected to distinguish between cleartext packets and 1-RTT protected packets. The transport document refers to all packet types as being protected by some key, except for version neg, and stateless reset. This is correct, but the terminology does not match the TLS unprotected terminology. Also, the term cleartext is a bit vague at this point. I realize this is likely a left-over from before cleartext packets became protected and rephrasing the entire QUIC TLS doc probably isn't top priority in the editing process. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/994 ----==_mimepart_5a27d2f6f3780_60a73ff8ee7ccf2827383e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

QUIC TLS 08 sec. 5.3 claims that clear text packets are protected by AEAD with a key derived from the connection ID. This is correct, but later the TLS document uses the terminology protected and unprotected to distinguish between cleartext packets and 1-RTT protected packets.

The transport document refers to all packet types as being protected by some key, except for version neg, and stateless reset. This is correct, but the terminology does not match the TLS unprotected terminology. Also, the term cleartext is a bit vague at this point.

I realize this is likely a left-over from before cleartext packets became protected and rephrasing the entire QUIC TLS doc probably isn't top priority in the editing process.

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We certainly need to demux QUIC short header packets with STUN, to maint= ain bindings.

Changing the packet type values doesn't prevent the spin bit, although i= t might change which bit is used as the spin bit.

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Un-does most of the changes in PR #956, to give time for more discussion and avoid causing implementers potentially unnecessary work.

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Fixes #987

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@martinthomson @ianswett are you planning to issue a -09 with this change? Should we use that for ID3?

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@ekr If this lands, then I believe the answer is yes(along with complete change logs). But that's subject to @martinthomson and @janaiyengar

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Colin is right here. You have to multiplex short headers with STUN b/c of consent checks, as well as candidates you learn about late

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Copying discussion from = #956 so that it's happening on this bug instead.

@ronieven= said: "My understanding from the meeting was that there is no need to = multiplex short header with stun so the change of the type values for the s= hort header is a surprise and I did not see any discussion on the QUIC mail= ing list about this change. It is not mentioned also in the Singapore meeti= ng notes. The change that was agreed as far as I remember was to flip the v= alue of the connection ID flag since it will be on for the peer to peer cas= e."

@csperki= ns said: "We certainly need to demux QUIC short header packets with STU= N, to maintain bindings.

Changing the packet type values doesn't prevent the spin bit, although i= t might change which bit is used as the spin bit."

@britram said: "Note also that = #989 would give us more degrees of freedom in the short header first oc= tet."

@ekr said:= "Colin is right here. You have to multiplex short headers with STUN b/c of= consent checks, as well as candidates you learn about late"

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@csperki= ns: I appreciate the need to mux with STUN packets. RFC 5389 says howev= er: "In some usages, STUN must be multiplexed with other protocols (e.g., [= MMUSIC-ICE], [SIP-OUTBOUND]). In these usages, there must be a way to insp= ect a packet and determine if it is a STUN packet or not. STUN provides thr= ee fields in the STUN header with fixed values that can be used for this pu= rpose. If this is not sufficient, then STUN packets can also contain a FIN= GERPRINT value, which can further be used to distinguish the packets." Isn'= t this FINGERPRINT to be used for exactly this sort of use case where it co= nflicts with other packet types? Why doesn't demuxing on the FINGERPRINT wo= rk?

Separately, I'm not convinced that we need to mux with other protocols. = If we agree on the need to mux QUIC packet types with STUN, then we lose on= ly 4 packet types... but we seem to have put aside a lot more than that in = #956.

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Please wait for @martinthomson's response, but LGTM. (I'm happy to bring this change back in once we agree on list -- it's a small enough text change.)

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----==_mimepart_5a2810fea6f65_6b5c3fcb4bbeaf2c38759d-- From nobody Wed Dec 6 07:49:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE6C126DD9 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 07:49:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4vgoW-lnqYku for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 07:49:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext8.iad.github.net [192.30.252.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50E58124F57 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 07:49:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 07:49:50 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1512575390; bh=NjCuxrX5biUb5YAqLc+RX/Tae4xqPhAv+SaZa+gx7rM=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=TmBBlEVh47nvOVb0bqAasSt/8hZiS8QYfIb5gWewfUg5QkurkulHboy5P6/Ae3+sL 851OkThz76bsp+IinEHLfVaDZnm7rzXlGekwD4xywu8eIpeoz0bYKYoAv1n1fHWNta +UPLAdECdFaVKFVkF2sNMIdXwGUAUrQNfwaaw+9Q= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Move back to draft 07 style type byte (#995) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a28119e77049_117b23fe29d3ccf344220a4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 15:49:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a28119e77049_117b23fe29d3ccf344220a4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ekr: I'd like for @martinthomson to take a look at this PR, and if it lands, then we'll issue a draft-09. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/995#issuecomment-349680649 ----==_mimepart_5a28119e77049_117b23fe29d3ccf344220a4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ekr: I'd like for @martinthomson to take a look at this PR, and if it lands, then we'll issue a draft-09.

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----==_mimepart_5a28119e77049_117b23fe29d3ccf344220a4-- From nobody Wed Dec 6 08:48:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C0D1276AF for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 08:48:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TZsFEF9OhImf for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 08:48:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F82B1275F4 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 08:48:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=dDwNE+0ewUZmy84riBIB+2yl3+k=; b=DFxxYrh3AinA4vJt 93Sq2pUqco/631sBYpldusHcHD5gxRPkRO33ylFNHznQnZZTPcPnNVZS3k7RzMoX V3377MQu9JaJArM8ICdtFlrJ50Vq29dP15iD+1+Qi2QhspMvQFpg4k4EtuA1xl93 /lZx+B3Wlo+hQuXpUljHYhzSxJY= Received: by filter0422p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0422p1iad2-10805-5A281F43-1E 2017-12-06 16:48:03.873944302 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id pFe9kysYTamPnsqqWvx0Cg for ; Wed, 06 Dec 2017 16:48:03.913 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 16:48:04 +0000 (UTC) From: Colin Perkins Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC header format/demultiplexing (#426) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a281f43c067b_207f3fc05c21af2885226"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: csperkins X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1RVW3tuHqy5zi3oyH7Xvfxsdri0jF04se+0I X0A5yCRQ3+e/w2GGQwAZ8GviXpuVQzHg0uLXP8almlIjgr2Q8vHlWWfUet7HvVoAaMifKecvjdKgEm rDXptkJJIMSXml6vIxT673ZKZEM/4sjfqR7/0J/S3Nf9annFxfM+C2oZST40DIDYOVLo1jdadD5kLH 0= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 16:48:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a281f43c067b_207f3fc05c21af2885226 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If all you care about is demuxing QUIC and STUN, then there are several alternatives. The fingerprint is one option, certainly. Inspecting the first two bits of the packet and checking for the presence of STUN Magic Cookie is another that's simpler (especially if we revert the C bit in the short header packets). I do think there are use cases for demuxing QUIC with other protocols, however (@aboba likely has input too). #956 (and the -08 draft) supports this with only minimal changes to QUIC (renumbering fields, no semantic changes). We do need to document a long-term stable demux algorithm for QUIC and STUN, and decide to what extent we want a stable algorithm for demuxing QUIC and other protocols. My feeling is that one of the QUIC invariants has to be an algorithm for demuxing QUIC and STUN, but for demultiplexing QUIC and other protocols we should say "this works for QUIC v1, but we don't guarantee for future versions of QUIC". -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/426#issuecomment-349700820 ----==_mimepart_5a281f43c067b_207f3fc05c21af2885226 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If all you care about is demuxing QUIC and STUN, then there are several = alternatives. The fingerprint is one option, certainly. Inspecting the firs= t two bits of the packet and checking for the presence of STUN Magic Cookie= is another that's simpler (especially if we revert the C bit in the short = header packets).

I do think there are use cases for demuxing QUIC with other protocols, h= owever (@aboba<= /a> likely has input too). = #956 (and the -08 draft) supports this with only minimal changes to QUI= C (renumbering fields, no semantic changes).

We do need to document a long-term stable demux algorithm for QUIC and S= TUN, and decide to what extent we want a stable algorithm for demuxing QUIC= and other protocols. My feeling is that one of the QUIC invariants has to = be an algorithm for demuxing QUIC and STUN, but for demultiplexing QUIC and= other protocols we should say "this works for QUIC v1, but we don't guaran= tee for future versions of QUIC".

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@MikeBishop approved this pull request.

I'm ambivalent here -- it does sound like the discussion isn't finished, though.

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----==_mimepart_5a284fd03c20_60f53f8a82044f38321931-- From nobody Wed Dec 6 12:27:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE367126CC4 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 12:27:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0rx8flt2FYsD for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 12:27:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4AF941200FC for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 12:27:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 12:27:07 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1512592027; bh=1DdxG4PN/SDBEEtgbFAiQv9MyvTIs8Iuf496ua44dCQ=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ZSV69E/ioDCHpuQabqrAbeFNdTlXoPDd1J79CzTc8mShcs4VmodL+zNoxtFgD0vNR rzrTivEtyVsV67iEKqWIh+1QY08/P97uxr4k1O6XMzw8tBK9zvryIHcaF426jpkS2Q Ce1vlPE7fd8SfDoxxDII0CUtGDWxf0r8/zWToskc= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC header format/demultiplexing (#426) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a28529b7ad86_108b3fb151e6ef281903dd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 20:27:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a28529b7ad86_108b3fb151e6ef281903dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar, we have reserved no packet types. We have just changed the values we use. If we don't have the freedom to do that between QUIC versions, then the entire invariants exercise was pointless. As @csperkins says, the hacky multiplexing scheme used for realtime uses will need to assess every QUIC version independently. That's possible viable there because of the use of session negotiation (SDP and all that). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/426#issuecomment-349764267 ----==_mimepart_5a28529b7ad86_108b3fb151e6ef281903dd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@jan= aiyengar, we have reserved no packet types. We have just changed the= values we use. If we don't have the freedom to do that between QUIC ver= sions, then the entire invariants exercise was pointless. As @csperkins says,= the hacky multiplexing scheme used for realtime uses will need to assess= every QUIC version independently. That's possible viable there because = of the use of session negotiation (SDP and all that).

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= ----==_mimepart_5a28529b7ad86_108b3fb151e6ef281903dd-- From nobody Wed Dec 6 12:28:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3615B126CC4 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 12:28:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.474 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.474 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YK1rXeSd9sij for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 12:28:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD4A71200FC for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 12:28:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=xsydPH2jaFrofdVBt4Aqe2k9PTk=; b=tPenM/G7huQEXqpE Pe1iBa9PKLZLLFGnr2A9Pha6Uurv3X0nlu/jmSQzTIoEEXUJX8RETTLw1WFq3GYX v4Hihzeh8qaiYy0h9dbynQHobowc0DwXyRo5WgNzGpBThRcIHfMkbwJKrhWyL0qE 4cJzVLX3FdQMxZNbIEmc5qjhZ/0= Received: by filter0161p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0161p1iad2-29902-5A2852E8-33 2017-12-06 20:28:24.914329859 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0007p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id YaSIULMgT--67qcT7Ct7hQ for ; Wed, 06 Dec 2017 20:28:24.516 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 20:28:25 +0000 (UTC) From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Move back to draft 07 style type byte (#995) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a2852e865556_3243ffbf6302f28146515"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak01AdDx1/5zWLA+y95JcrdF6jp21zKwUc2+a2 nfwZX2k4ZhZrrsaxElbUbU8w7KqJICs8QHcCMikVh1tCNiElaOboQWRq3O+MeeYmM8200fadQMNNPb 9K4C4EPp/1auA8qRzCLI1hbblSI+VG4+VHxMJoZKansmnhZsSMJX9jkRkYyNa2JcJo8fIenSNOL3y4 0= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 20:28:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a2852e865556_3243ffbf6302f28146515 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So I did implement the current -08 scheme already... :-( -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/995#issuecomment-349764623 ----==_mimepart_5a2852e865556_3243ffbf6302f28146515 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

So I did implement the current -08 scheme already... :-(

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----==_mimepart_5a2852e865556_3243ffbf6302f28146515-- From nobody Wed Dec 6 14:17:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E07127876 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 14:17:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yBOBVUwhGJdR for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 14:17:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4EBC12783A for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 14:17:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=d2dLxIm9c1o2sD3MOmO+I9Bqpe8=; b=LZdfVPnnjoU+yMtq fEC6d/yPsplweattssAV4RA11zwtMdYW7ufB/JYKd8OlYpGryWViD2q6iAl8PpHI Uwnq2LJupgOe9Y/eqIbiYfxhl4ioBgSneeEHbZ5xcspmuj9dNBQ7J8cR7HnoBwV+ c23xh8tE9vdstIVlZLcqsmGjJ5Q= Received: by filter0570p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0570p1las1-19319-5A286C8D-12 2017-12-06 22:17:49.562629936 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0017p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id Wsh6Guo8TnKn0XEJwcOTmA for ; Wed, 06 Dec 2017 22:17:49.634 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 22:17:49 +0000 (UTC) From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC header format/demultiplexing (#426) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a286c8d7417e_352d3fed1229ef341273cc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0dl8Bc2ONgBiKjGdR0DK3H/LGy6osfk4YBQu yOs/BU2bwEuhu95/cE7dIMQ8vAPf83R60c1TUmZfoxaBz2uKn3QEpcxOxWkxAQggMFFeyINjcrCJdE uJBKO6PLsll2I2Z6tCWT6VLbyB/HhIOf5gz6tCY8Dk3+89B3f4N+qbMyvzfGpkOwaJxT5SJnYXZ7AJ 8= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 22:17:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a286c8d7417e_352d3fed1229ef341273cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I completely agree with your last point Martin, that we have no reserved packet types. However, we still have some important issues to resolve, including greasing and possibly changing the packet number format, and we should resolve those before we do hacky changes, since solving those will likely cause us to do different hacky changes in the future. Using TLS 1.3 as a model, I think we should hold off on hacky changes until towards the very end of the process. I sent out PR #995 because draft 08 already introduced a ton of changes, this one was unnecessary at this stage, and there is a lot of discussion on this matter still, so there's no point in changing things now. I'm happy that we're having that discussion on the list and here, so I think we'll figure out what we really need to make QUIC and WebRTC coexist. I'd also like to be in a place where we can QUIC can coexist with other protocols fairly easily in general. I don't have any concrete proposals yet, but UDP 443 is fairly heavily used, so it'd be nice to find a more general solution. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/426#issuecomment-349793441 ----==_mimepart_5a286c8d7417e_352d3fed1229ef341273cc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I completely agree with your last point Martin, that we have no reserved= packet types. However, we still have some important issues to resolve, in= cluding greasing and possibly changing the packet number format, and we sho= uld resolve those before we do hacky changes, since solving those will like= ly cause us to do different hacky changes in the future. Using TLS 1.3 as = a model, I think we should hold off on hacky changes until towards the very= end of the process.

I sent out PR #995 b= ecause draft 08 already introduced a ton of changes, this one was unnecessa= ry at this stage, and there is a lot of discussion on this matter still, so= there's no point in changing things now. I'm happy that we're having that= discussion on the list and here, so I think we'll figure out what we reall= y need to make QUIC and WebRTC coexist.

I'd also like to be in a place where we can QUIC can coexist with other = protocols fairly easily in general. I don't have any concrete proposals ye= t, but UDP 443 is fairly heavily used, so it'd be nice to find a more gener= al solution.

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@csperki= ns: Agreed that #956 changes packet type syntax only, and it solves the problem of avoiding an= y collision with the space in RFC 7983. But as @ianswett points out, we want to do = greasing, which might introduce semantics into this space. From where I see= it, we can't be done sorting out packet types until two things are resolve= d: which collisions to avoid, and how, if possible, to do greasing.

@mar= tinthomson: I agree that we don't have any reserved packet types, and s= o we are free to change them across versions. My note earlier was about this version of QUIC -- QUIC v1, or more precisely, draft -08. The pa= cket types chosen in #956 have a very specific end-goal -- to avoid a collision with 7983. Given t= hat, only one of two things is true: either QUICv1 packet types avoid a col= lision with 7983, in which case we are setting those types aside as not usa= ble (what I termed "reserved") for QUIC v1; or QUICv1 packet types don't av= oid a collision with 7983, in which case #956 is entirely cosmetic. Which of these is reflected i= n the packet type choices in draft -08?

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I'm not sure if this is a related issue or not, but the "Packet Numbers"= section is very clear on how to size the packet number in the packet heade= r, but there is no corresponding advice for sizing the largest_acknowledged= field in the ACK frame. In general Varints refer to numbers that start at = zero, so there is a natural occasion to truncate them. Packet numbers have = 32 bits, so right away we're at 32.

To be specific, the packet header part requires enough bits to encode 2 = * (max_pkt - lowest_pkt_unacked). This obviously doesn't work so well on th= e receiver side. We could just mandate a de facto min size of 4, tie it to = the peer's packet number size, or something else.

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@csperkins I agree, and that's exactly the discussion I'm trying to have -- specifically, what do we need to multiplex with?

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@janai= yengar we need to multiplex with STUN, else we'll end up reinv= enting it within QUIC when we want to run peer-to-peer.

We want to multiplex with WebRTC (DTLS, RTP, STUN) since people want to = use QUIC in place of the WebRTC data channel (and because it might be usefu= l to run WebRTC from the server you're running HTTP/QUIC from). We likely a= lso want to multiplex with gQUIC as a transition.

In practice, I think we need to mandate STUN demux in the QUIC spec. Any= thing else can be left for a separate document =E2=80=93=C2=A0it doesn't af= fect how QUIC greases, and muxing other protocols doesn't have to be writte= n into the QUIC documents. We just need to be a little careful as we define= QUIC v1.

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I agree with most of your classification, with the caveat that gQUIC is = a slightly different beast in that we need to be able to demux for a short = while until everything is off of gQUIC, and then we don't need to worry abo= ut it anymore.

On STUN, I heard you say earlier that we can use the FINGERPRINT for thi= s purpose. Is it reasonable to use this instead of the packet type to demux= from QUIC?

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@ianswett approved this pull request.

One suggestion unrelated to your changes, LGTM.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -## Pacing Rate
-
-The pacing rate is a function of the mode, the congestion window, and
-the smoothed rtt.  Specifically, the pacing rate is 2 times the
-congestion window divided by the smoothed RTT during slow start
-and 1.25 times the congestion window divided by the smoothed RTT during
-congestion avoidance.  In order to fairly compete with flows that are not
-pacing, it is recommended to not pace the first 10 sent packets when
-exiting quiescence.
+When retransmissions are sent due to a retransmission timeout alarm, no change
+is made to the congestion window until the next acknowledgement arrives.  When
+an ack arrives, if packets prior to the first retransmission timeout are
+acknowledged, then the congestion window remains the same.  If no packets prior
+to the first retransmission timeout are acknowledged, the retransmission timeout
+has been validated and the congestion window must be reduced to the minimum
+congestion window and slow start is begun.

nit: begun is weird in retrospect. Maybe re-entered?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -## Pacing Rate
-
-The pacing rate is a function of the mode, the congestion window, and
-the smoothed rtt.  Specifically, the pacing rate is 2 times the
-congestion window divided by the smoothed RTT during slow start
-and 1.25 times the congestion window divided by the smoothed RTT during
-congestion avoidance.  In order to fairly compete with flows that are not
-pacing, it is recommended to not pace the first 10 sent packets when
-exiting quiescence.
+When retransmissions are sent due to a retransmission timeout alarm, no change
+is made to the congestion window until the next acknowledgement arrives.  When
+an ack arrives, if packets prior to the first retransmission timeout are
+acknowledged, then the congestion window remains the same.  If no packets prior
+to the first retransmission timeout are acknowledged, the retransmission timeout
+has been validated and the congestion window must be reduced to the minimum
+congestion window and slow start is begun.

reworded paragraph

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----==_mimepart_5a289ad4cfaf9_96b3fe43e744f341872ee-- From nobody Wed Dec 6 17:37:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D001126C23 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 17:37:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.453 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.453 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cKiKPqEqgfVy for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 17:37:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext8.iad.github.net [192.30.252.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1EEF1205F1 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 17:37:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 17:37:17 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1512610637; bh=CqPrkzCdg4BWvWF9VSugJN/YT8MbebhVouZb5LMD6HE=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=IehjgWhK3uC0eoMyRk5BBCUmGTY23dXTazbz7In8U0aQfdZGK49J1Vr75/GF/U/oS sGXapZWB1LmyJu4KtSSxeW3A+Kaq+9rxEGGS2PpaXf5T1aVcFuDnHyMJKi913ulOL5 +RpuBP19RUa8//Ou1q7d8rSVkwvrbJnszsd5wbHg= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Offset bit in stream frame (#998) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a289b4de5d9f_41883f966c368f3418916f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 01:37:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a289b4de5d9f_41883f966c368f3418916f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With varints, we are the point where the offset bit is consuming several codepoints while saving the grand total of 1 byte per stream over the life of the connection. This seems profligate given that we got rid if the num-blocks flag in the ACK, which will usually save 1 byte per ACK. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/998 ----==_mimepart_5a289b4de5d9f_41883f966c368f3418916f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

With varints, we are the point where the offset bit is consuming several codepoints while saving the grand total of 1 byte per stream over the life of the connection. This seems profligate given that we got rid if the num-blocks flag in the ACK, which will usually save 1 byte per ACK.

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----==_mimepart_5a289b4de5d9f_41883f966c368f3418916f-- From nobody Wed Dec 6 17:37:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF241241F3 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 17:37:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.453 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.453 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0tXdVCL5JPw9 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 17:37:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext8.iad.github.net [192.30.252.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5AD11205F1 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 17:37:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 17:37:46 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1512610666; bh=5lN+C9I41l7jSTgSNse/Wtxoq6ARuZkJjrUKHGqnvBc=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=eMUb6We4rbjlPCkUz7Q6fM9leZUfBW6Q5U9W2WUWNrYNggr8jIU0xNpzuVfTvsftl 4oxGttG7lwjRM1BvLDglHqDoMU26foRoEZUOSmouta9cPmWJkge3QTlsEmjUA0NdWa 0tsysU2f7vdOr+jJUIlQAdeo6mc+l1eYIZn853Fs= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Offset bit in stream frame (#998) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a289b6a650e_28093fd1ba660f2815004d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 01:37:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a289b6a650e_28093fd1ba660f2815004d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm happy to file a PR if no one strongly objects. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/998#issuecomment-349833828 ----==_mimepart_5a289b6a650e_28093fd1ba660f2815004d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Suggestion on making the wording slightly more active > @@ -856,12 +856,13 @@ Acknowledgement or loss of tail loss probes are treated like any other packet. ## Retransmission Timeout When retransmissions are sent due to a retransmission timeout alarm, no change -is made to the congestion window until the next acknowledgement arrives. When -an ack arrives, if packets prior to the first retransmission timeout are -acknowledged, then the congestion window remains the same. If no packets prior -to the first retransmission timeout are acknowledged, the retransmission timeout -has been validated and the congestion window must be reduced to the minimum -congestion window and slow start is begun. +is made to the congestion window until the next acknowledgement arrives. The +retransmission timeout is considered spurious when an ack is received that nit: when the next ack acknowleges? > @@ -856,12 +856,13 @@ Acknowledgement or loss of tail loss probes are treated like any other packet. ## Retransmission Timeout When retransmissions are sent due to a retransmission timeout alarm, no change -is made to the congestion window until the next acknowledgement arrives. When -an ack arrives, if packets prior to the first retransmission timeout are -acknowledged, then the congestion window remains the same. If no packets prior -to the first retransmission timeout are acknowledged, the retransmission timeout -has been validated and the congestion window must be reduced to the minimum -congestion window and slow start is begun. +is made to the congestion window until the next acknowledgement arrives. The +retransmission timeout is considered spurious when an ack is received that +acknowledges packets sent prior to the first retransmission timeout. The +retransmission timeout is considered valid when an ack is received that same nit -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/977#pullrequestreview-81726395 ----==_mimepart_5a289d402a9b3_257e3f90ccf10f30842a6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett commented on this pull request.

Suggestion on making the wording slightly more active

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -856,12 +856,13 @@ Acknowledgement or loss of tail loss probes are treated like any other packet.
 ## Retransmission Timeout
 
 When retransmissions are sent due to a retransmission timeout alarm, no change
-is made to the congestion window until the next acknowledgement arrives.  When
-an ack arrives, if packets prior to the first retransmission timeout are
-acknowledged, then the congestion window remains the same.  If no packets prior
-to the first retransmission timeout are acknowledged, the retransmission timeout
-has been validated and the congestion window must be reduced to the minimum
-congestion window and slow start is begun.
+is made to the congestion window until the next acknowledgement arrives.  The
+retransmission timeout is considered spurious when an ack is received that

nit: when the next ack acknowleges?

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -856,12 +856,13 @@ Acknowledgement or loss of tail loss probes are treated like any other packet.
 ## Retransmission Timeout
 
 When retransmissions are sent due to a retransmission timeout alarm, no change
-is made to the congestion window until the next acknowledgement arrives.  When
-an ack arrives, if packets prior to the first retransmission timeout are
-acknowledged, then the congestion window remains the same.  If no packets prior
-to the first retransmission timeout are acknowledged, the retransmission timeout
-has been validated and the congestion window must be reduced to the minimum
-congestion window and slow start is begun.
+is made to the congestion window until the next acknowledgement arrives.  The
+retransmission timeout is considered spurious when an ack is received that
+acknowledges packets sent prior to the first retransmission timeout.  The
+retransmission timeout is considered valid when an ack is received that

same nit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -856,12 +856,13 @@ Acknowledgement or loss of tail loss probes are treated like any other packet.
 ## Retransmission Timeout
 
 When retransmissions are sent due to a retransmission timeout alarm, no change
-is made to the congestion window until the next acknowledgement arrives.  When
-an ack arrives, if packets prior to the first retransmission timeout are
-acknowledged, then the congestion window remains the same.  If no packets prior
-to the first retransmission timeout are acknowledged, the retransmission timeout
-has been validated and the congestion window must be reduced to the minimum
-congestion window and slow start is begun.
+is made to the congestion window until the next acknowledgement arrives.  The
+retransmission timeout is considered spurious when an ack is received that

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -856,12 +856,13 @@ Acknowledgement or loss of tail loss probes are treated like any other packet.
 ## Retransmission Timeout
 
 When retransmissions are sent due to a retransmission timeout alarm, no change
-is made to the congestion window until the next acknowledgement arrives.  When
-an ack arrives, if packets prior to the first retransmission timeout are
-acknowledged, then the congestion window remains the same.  If no packets prior
-to the first retransmission timeout are acknowledged, the retransmission timeout
-has been validated and the congestion window must be reduced to the minimum
-congestion window and slow start is begun.
+is made to the congestion window until the next acknowledgement arrives.  The
+retransmission timeout is considered spurious when an ack is received that
+acknowledges packets sent prior to the first retransmission timeout.  The
+retransmission timeout is considered valid when an ack is received that

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----==_mimepart_5a28a0f5ae60_439b3fb6ed228f38258231-- From nobody Wed Dec 6 18:54:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E10A126CF6 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 18:54:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.453 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.453 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QjzU5TN1Ecmx for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 18:54:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E65A1241F3 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 18:54:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 18:54:29 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1512615269; bh=YJJTDyYquxN14+uexfFOMUNj/mrqxPThIToBjSR+fsQ=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=WD5v0alnoS5htIEsUpyXdhQymSVfZ6w7fHmAKXXKgTOsjZgkO45gDmJ5Q5U9RLNls iLbi2SnfDCh67jbPz5aRPppuUKN02pZFACKUV4b1TXvwraPnjuXNNvSGnCZYvaLE+H v4W/CFo0/Uk0Zed3tEWlMKvIWyUJV+R/rYgDe7pA= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove unnecessary pacing text and reword RTO text (#977) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a28ad659f47c_193c3fe846994f308352b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 02:54:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a28ad659f47c_193c3fe846994f308352b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope, LGTM, thanks for the improved text. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/977#issuecomment-349847278 ----==_mimepart_5a28ad659f47c_193c3fe846994f308352b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Nope, LGTM, thanks for the improved text.

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----==_mimepart_5a28ad659f47c_193c3fe846994f308352b-- From nobody Wed Dec 6 19:04:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8113A126D73 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 19:04:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.595 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.595 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QnKCwNYaC8Ql for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 19:04:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CACCA1241F3 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 19:03:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 19:03:59 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1512615839; bh=4deAUGwNoAkTt+hektTI37wEKpnmC2TwNkdKCwQNRj0=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=qCBtN4WVwQPOIV80SzKDhhoZKUwspuJjjy+A/Y9MlamtYF4MOIru4zCnvsl143pU9 YMXg/5WKn+zu94OKwPeL+x6wN16bthHy812aKzniwwRKaNOWLjGFrEwYtMOcOlMDOE Dxlnd09wa9gG/DwDcPHRV2bGahvUkqHIuH4ujGQA= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Offset bit in stream frame (#998) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a28af9f2fd63_192c3fe846994f30122973"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 03:04:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a28af9f2fd63_192c3fe846994f30122973 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is actually saving 1 byte per stream, which if we're using lots of small streams, is a large-ish. That being said, if we have a MESSAGE frame(Issue #814) that's optimized for sub-MTU payloads, maybe it doesn't matter. So I'm a bit resistant at the moment, but could be convinced otherwise, especially if we have a MESSAGE frame or something similar. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/998#issuecomment-349848596 ----==_mimepart_5a28af9f2fd63_192c3fe846994f30122973 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This is actually saving 1 byte per stream, which if we're using lots o= f small streams, is a large-ish. That being said, if we have a MESSAGE f= rame(Issue #814) that's optimized for sub-MTU payloads, maybe it doesn't matter.

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= ----==_mimepart_5a28af9f2fd63_192c3fe846994f30122973-- From nobody Wed Dec 6 21:10:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA8F9126FB3 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 21:10:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FrklqMX-fc8X for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 21:10:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A557127342 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 21:10:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 21:10:55 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1512623455; bh=P/p3KK+moRxUdMytdkFVkRCrRVkc0FxWKrJi3HW9rTA=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=O98BeFO/ZHYoVdBxyGS7HML8cIqMg9qGTM1S2vmueqvvBZfi8B/UkJyjuj5xr1/j8 i0MSRcc/3yKXa7h5IES6OG1UjoFI6bKDpcFHw22TqHby1p9P6nSC1JpMnEHxW/Cbon 8bEKd5lI6FRUUmG5ONVkNU5JiviV7FSaM2p52WAI= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] varint packet numbers (#989) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a28cd5f51571_7f083f8213798f2c1671d7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 05:10:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a28cd5f51571_7f083f8213798f2c1671d7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The largest_acknowledged is NOT truncated. I made that same assumption once too, but I thought we'd addressed that with text... It is the entire packet number. It's also the reason that packet numbers can't exceed 2^62-1 now. That means that it will be rare to ever find an ACK packet with a short encoding for largest_acknowledged. That said, if you read some of the ideas in my new draft, maybe we can turn that around. You might recall that the packet number size in STOP_WAITING was tied to the packet header. And it was loathsome to implement. There is probably some way to shorten the packet number in ACK, but I'd want to see a complete write-up. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/989#issuecomment-349864949 ----==_mimepart_5a28cd5f51571_7f083f8213798f2c1671d7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The largest_acknowledged is NOT truncated. I made that same assumptio= n once too, but I thought we'd addressed that with text... It is the ent= ire packet number. It's also the reason that packet numbers can't exceed= 2^62-1 now. That means that it will be rare to ever find an ACK packet = with a short encoding for largest_acknowledged. That said, if you read s= ome of the ideas in my new draft, maybe we can turn that around.

You might recall that the packet number size in STOP_WAITING was tied = to the packet header. And it was loathsome to implement. There is proba= bly some way to shorten the packet number in ACK, but I'd want to see a c= omplete write-up.

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The draft just says "variable length". I suppose this means that it's variable as in 30 or 62 bits. If there's clarifying language somewhere I simply missed it. If not, it could probably use some.

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----==_mimepart_5a28d41cde362_2441c3f998d838f2c30288a-- From nobody Wed Dec 6 21:52:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62611128D69 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 21:52:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.453 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.453 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ylvIpyWkBiBl for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 21:52:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CFD32120724 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 21:52:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 21:52:20 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1512625940; bh=L86qf0ibW+lLwdjFJCLFmvIXaaE8XJIuN5CDvMW8gHE=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=fVQlsSIYeBpk54QwI+mgOWFpb2/MBMGUCvo8MqnJvOwp+ANwsmSqacP+fmkzrKR5/ J2Ngcvol152o1yW0PVqcuSQvNAVKJAgF4oqL/otf6iFA4FS6eKhp+JkI4solBDti8C 2Sa+yVs7dQt+bFDHPErlgX38qkaP6Z7HTGdaDui8= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK frame packet numbers aren't truncated (#999) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a28d714f837_7b243fa07321af2c120232"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 05:52:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a28d714f837_7b243fa07321af2c120232 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinduke commented on this pull request. This is an improvement. I might add "...not truncated, but the field may less than 64 bits given enough leading zeroes." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/999#pullrequestreview-81753468 ----==_mimepart_5a28d714f837_7b243fa07321af2c120232 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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This is an improvement. I might add "...not truncated, but the field may less than 64 bits given enough leading zeroes."

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----==_mimepart_5a28d714f837_7b243fa07321af2c120232-- From nobody Wed Dec 6 22:30:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D29120727 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 22:30:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.381 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.381 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qM-egmO5CV9i for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 22:30:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63F1F126C19 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2017 22:30:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 22:30:19 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1512628219; bh=6WxdiOQsa/vzfR6cv1xHxwfxo0k2xFiuGLTb8blr16k=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=EzNQsk3JP1ZIkEimm/QCNv4hq5OHrOLeWCNWnAmjmP0nXk9zUnekfn51l1BzqZhEd 7Z70BJuAwJyBrEEOqDRoJYn+ur3yZnFMnC0FMsS/rfXKMdb1/5PQU7w8/lmGd/CX9r cby5jYfHfGOXz4fczsEx3IWDp8EWS5cObZfaH2D4= From: Roni Even Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC header format/demultiplexing (#426) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a28dffb79944_22983f7e7a4f4f383967f0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ronieven X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 06:30:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a28dffb79944_22983f7e7a4f4f383967f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If we only want STUN demux we had a problem with the short header and my recollection is that the solution was to flip the value of the C bit since connection ID will not be needed in peer to peer assuming that for client server we will not need STUN. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/426#issuecomment-349876026 ----==_mimepart_5a28dffb79944_22983f7e7a4f4f383967f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If we only want STUN demux we had a problem with the short header and = my recollection is that the solution was to flip the value of the C bit s= ince connection ID will not be needed in peer to peer assuming that for c= lient server we will not need STUN.

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I'm in line with @ianswett here. I would strongly object unless an alternati= ve solution is provided.

A very likely use case is to send lots of new stream frames for high s= peed signalling of unrelated short lived streams. You can have hundreds o= f streams in one MTU. Even a message frame that might not sort it out bec= ause each "message" or signal might occasionally be too long for one fram= e, or some of the streams turns out to not be as short-lived and more con= tent will follow.

If anything, I would like the stream header more compressed, for examp= le by storing stream ID's as deltas.

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I don't think that saving frame type code points is something we need = to aim for. Currently, we have plenty of space, and it seems unlikely tha= t we'll add a significant number of new frames.
Since the frame type byte is version specific, we also don't need to be t= hrifty in order to be able to accommodate future changes.

If anything, I'd suggest that we go through all frames at some point, = and see if we can save a byte here and there (for commonly used frames) b= y consuming more frame type code points.

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= ----==_mimepart_5a29045da875e_29e253ff6c8364f301098774-- From nobody Thu Dec 7 01:45:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE317126C83 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 01:45:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.018 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.018 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OwZkcogUL-uY for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 01:45:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21B6E120724 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 01:45:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=jiS2l6CIuNTd6BHfLsCdqCeCPxk=; b=ZofYS8Cw7X7EoyS5 x67zOim0WDRUiA0wtFwQBB5zbz2XoQWWlSqxBpuw4GyjYyPpuVEkZEIvUj15Dx5w PAjQ9STF9aMCD2+rf7gEf4r/hT+TBSeKEQb86FxAVGbmov2FQAtQKF+lbUOT5nnj L5tb9HLX4Q4X+qA0NPQe7dY48yk= Received: by filter0451p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0451p1las1-9402-5A290DA7-1 2017-12-07 09:45:11.074051425 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0012p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id e--u5MJ2Q9iVJTXXwFwYeA for ; Thu, 07 Dec 2017 09:45:10.902 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 09:45:11 +0000 (UTC) From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] varint packet numbers (#989) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a290da6d2050_1edc3f8221a5cf341856383"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0YSMxERRwBtFDXrvJUpviuK2M68mAHDPMwAG Rpd/+VrTwFN3OZP2eDG9VBkjTYQRrIl1lieJSR8fKIIYIsBWk7sNJWJpDPTxQyQAbQm59C6h18pfSB 5mgTok1N5or5Z06C28aZWgS8qMYmuIhmySlX4PCPacVm1A2LN+Un15mDNg== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 09:45:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a290da6d2050_1edc3f8221a5cf341856383 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is AFAIK no requirement for varints to be stored in the shortest possible form, i.e. in canonical form. For packet numbers the canonical form would include leading zeroes as an exception because it is a modulo operation but for other values that would not be the case. This makes it fairly easy to conclude how much of the stored reference packet number to update. I'm not sure if there is value in requiring canonical form in general, but I guess some implementations would make that assumption anyway which could lead to problems down the road. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/989#issuecomment-349915784 ----==_mimepart_5a290da6d2050_1edc3f8221a5cf341856383 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

There is AFAIK no requirement for varints to be stored in the shortest p= ossible form, i.e. in canonical form.

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The algorithm to identify STUN is to check that the first two bits of the packet are 00, then check the magic cookie (bits 33-64 = 0x2112A442), then if necessary find and check the fingerprint attribute. Checking the fingerprint is relatively expensive. QUIC long header packets don't conflict with STUN, since QUIC long header packets start 0b1x and STUN packets start 0b00. The fingerprint isn't needed. QUIC short header packets don't conflict if either the C bit is 1 or the C bit is set to 0 and bits 33-64 differ from 0x2112A442. We can avoid collisions without requiring the STUN FINGERPRINT by making the C bit an Omit Connection ID bit (as in #956), and changing the Connection ID to be either (a) a 63-bit value with bit 64 always set to 1; or (b) a 56-bit value in the range 64 to 2^62-1 (i.e., a 64-bit value where the top two and the lower six bits are set to zero) formatted using the variable length integer encoding. Both these changes seem conceptually clean, and would be QUIC version independent and fit with the invariants. That said, I think there's value in demuxing with WebRTC traffic in addition to STUN, at least for QUIC version 1. Renumbering the fields as in #956 is independent of the above discussion of how to demux STUN, doesn't change QUIC semantics, and enables us to do this. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/426#issuecomment-349955910 ----==_mimepart_5a2936f1ce972_4f6f3fbc9f7aaf3010878c0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@janai= yengar you can't just use the fingerprint. The algorithm to identify ST= UN is to check that the first two bits of the packet are 00, then check the= magic cookie (bits 33-64 =3D 0x2112A442), then if necessary find and check= the fingerprint attribute. Checking the fingerprint is relatively expensiv= e.

QUIC long header packets don't conflict with STUN, since QUIC long heade= r packets start 0b1x and STUN packets start 0b00. The fingerprint isn't nee= ded.

QUIC short header packets don't conflict if either the C bit is 1 or the= C bit is set to 0 and bits 33-64 differ from 0x2112A442. We can avoid coll= isions without requiring the STUN FINGERPRINT by making the C bit an Omit C= onnection ID bit (as in #95= 6), and changing the Connection ID to be either (a) a 63-bit value with= bit 64 always set to 1; or (b) a 56-bit value in the range 64 to 2^62-1 (i= .e., a 64-bit value where the top two and the lower six bits are set to zer= o) formatted using the variable length integer encoding.

Both these changes seem conceptually clean, and would be QUIC version in= dependent and fit with the invariants.

That said, I think there's value in demuxing with WebRTC traffic in addi= tion to STUN, at least for QUIC version 1. Renumbering the fields as in #956 is independent of the= above discussion of how to demux STUN, doesn't change QUIC semantics, and = enables us to do this.

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@= marten-seemann no, it doesn't assume that. In short header packets C = =3D 1 to mean connection ID is omitted avoids collisions with STUN. If th= e Connection ID is present, then C =3D 0 which makes the first two bits o= f the packet match those of STUN packets, but if we change the legal valu= es of Connection ID as in my previous we still avoid collisions with STUN= when the Connection ID is present. No STUN FINGERPRINT needed in either = case.

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----==_mimepart_5a294bde3d14_25a4b3fc572e72f304392cd-- From nobody Thu Dec 7 06:58:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53159126B7F for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 06:58:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.615 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.615 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fHPCqWzzB_rU for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 06:58:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CBCD81200B9 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 06:58:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=/OCP8umOD9nB5sKCCZRQubJT27I=; b=Y2mE8m2LiYMPSQNl wrUPHUCOHwANIfmDW0d0c12zY7fBhJoaWZtWiLSuXz6FSfpMNbbSQ7g442J2ILGR eocgcD06f4jU/w/kk5JVfWBUmzI5JEQOyxGU/Dufcg9EISMspyeQ/GkZ8Bya/Nrw MupZGdYzILGSu9JmyvyWKXVZV1w= Received: by filter0437p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0437p1iad2-8306-5A295701-26 2017-12-07 14:58:09.653064533 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0008p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id IG6-Op8oQN6ZRk4vyQeiNw for ; Thu, 07 Dec 2017 14:58:09.471 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 14:58:09 +0000 (UTC) From: Patrick McManus Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] varint packet numbers (#989) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a29570115055_179d3f917752af38848437"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mcmanus X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3Bw7tvFNAwgqrKg4V+bVFaLcGpPRdOoQKZaL fRuC4yTQtTZCyWhCNo+dfha4nRcrOi88M+gOrH3hKr5mdw5aE54xnTM4oCtaMufMOoOyXfvyFQAQ/y BsgmGr7dxnoJvn2FVpHtuK8WI4zAXs7nJhiv4tBZ2wjaN8ap7giJn6fbuLvSaPcAnJxj6AuhWNZy/N o= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 14:58:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a29570115055_179d3f917752af38848437 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > It is the entire packet number. It's also the reason that packet numbers can't exceed 2^62-1 now. That means that it will be rare to ever find an ACK packet with a short encoding for largest_acknowledged. I think that the benefits of starting PN at 0 in order to get better encoding in ack frames is a good reason to not go with random PN. It looks like you make a couple non-random grease suggestions in your new draft which sounds promising. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/989#issuecomment-349991675 ----==_mimepart_5a29570115055_179d3f917752af38848437 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It is the entire packet number. It's also the reason that packet numbers= can't exceed 2^62-1 now. That means that it will be rare to ever find an A= CK packet with a short encoding for largest_acknowledged.

I think that the benefits of starting PN at 0 in order to get better enc= oding in ack frames is a good reason to not go with random PN. It looks lik= e you make a couple non-random grease suggestions in your new draft which s= ounds promising.

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he draft just says "variable length". I suppose this means that it's var= iable as in 30 or 62 bits. If there's clarifying language somewhere I simpl= y missed it. If not, it could probably use some.

the PN in the ack has to be explicit because of reordering.. ack the wro= ng implicit thing and you're not a reliable protocol anymore.. the envelope= PN can get away with implicit because its the nonce to the trial decrpytio= n.

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I guess I was the only one gratified to see the ACK Frame "num blocks" flag to go away. I'll close this issue.

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I think that the benefits of starting PN at 0 in order to get better enc= oding in ack frames is a good reason to not go with random PN. It looks lik= e you make a couple non-random grease suggestions in your new draft which s= ounds promising.

If we have varint packet numbers in the header, then we can do 'random' = packet numbers only within a single byte, instead of the current 4 bytes of= randomness, which I think achieves both greasing and low byte overhead.

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Varints aren't strictly necessary to have one-byte packet numbers. Just the first 3 bytes have to be zero. But I'm fine with varint packet numbers.

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I like the editorial reorganization. That section was too long. I have few nits, mostly about shifting terminology of packet types. Note also that @gloinul has some outstanding issues with this text. We can commit, but we can't yet close #614. > @@ -2740,7 +2697,57 @@ that it sends. Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. -## Special Considerations for PMTU Discovery + +## Packet Size + +Clients MUST ensure that the first packet in a connection, and any +retransmissions of those octets, has a QUIC packet size of least 1200 octets. +The packet size for a QUIC packet includes the QUIC header and integrity check, s/"packet size for QUIC packet"/"QUIC packet size" Keep the terminology consistent, and shorter > @@ -2740,7 +2697,57 @@ that it sends. Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. -## Special Considerations for PMTU Discovery + +## Packet Size + +Clients MUST ensure that the first packet in a connection, and any +retransmissions of those octets, has a QUIC packet size of least 1200 octets. +The packet size for a QUIC packet includes the QUIC header and integrity check, +but not the UDP or IP header. + +The initial client packet SHOULD be padded to exactly 1200 octets unless the s/initial client/QUIC initlal > -## Special Considerations for PMTU Discovery + +## Packet Size + +Clients MUST ensure that the first packet in a connection, and any +retransmissions of those octets, has a QUIC packet size of least 1200 octets. +The packet size for a QUIC packet includes the QUIC header and integrity check, +but not the UDP or IP header. + +The initial client packet SHOULD be padded to exactly 1200 octets unless the +client has a reasonable assurance that the Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) +is larger. Sending a packet of this size ensures that the network path supports +an MTU of this size and helps reduce the amplitude of amplification attacks +caused by server responses toward an unverified client address. + +Servers MUST ignore an initial plaintext packet from a client if its total size s/initial plaintext packet/QUIC initial packet > @@ -2767,6 +2774,26 @@ provisional until QUIC's loss detection algorithm determines that the packet is actually lost. +### Special Considerations for Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery + + +The PADDING frame provides a useful option for PMTU probe packets that does not +exist in other transports. PADDING frames generate acknowledgements, but their +content need not be delivered reliably. PADDING frames may delay the delivery of +application data, as they consume the congestion window. 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@martinduke approved this pull request.

I like the editorial reorganization. That section was too long.

I have few nits, mostly about shifting terminology of packet types.

Note also that @gloinul has some outstanding issues with this text. We can commit, but we can't yet close #614.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2740,7 +2697,57 @@ that it sends.
 Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are
 discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
 
-## Special Considerations for PMTU Discovery
+
+## Packet Size
+
+Clients MUST ensure that the first packet in a connection, and any
+retransmissions of those octets, has a QUIC packet size of least 1200 octets.
+The packet size for a QUIC packet includes the QUIC header and integrity check,

s/"packet size for QUIC packet"/"QUIC packet size"

Keep the terminology consistent, and shorter

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2740,7 +2697,57 @@ that it sends.
 Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are
 discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
 
-## Special Considerations for PMTU Discovery
+
+## Packet Size
+
+Clients MUST ensure that the first packet in a connection, and any
+retransmissions of those octets, has a QUIC packet size of least 1200 octets.
+The packet size for a QUIC packet includes the QUIC header and integrity check,
+but not the UDP or IP header.
+
+The initial client packet SHOULD be padded to exactly 1200 octets unless the

s/initial client/QUIC initlal

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -## Special Considerations for PMTU Discovery
+
+## Packet Size
+
+Clients MUST ensure that the first packet in a connection, and any
+retransmissions of those octets, has a QUIC packet size of least 1200 octets.
+The packet size for a QUIC packet includes the QUIC header and integrity check,
+but not the UDP or IP header.
+
+The initial client packet SHOULD be padded to exactly 1200 octets unless the
+client has a reasonable assurance that the Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU)
+is larger.  Sending a packet of this size ensures that the network path supports
+an MTU of this size and helps reduce the amplitude of amplification attacks
+caused by server responses toward an unverified client address.
+
+Servers MUST ignore an initial plaintext packet from a client if its total size

s/initial plaintext packet/QUIC initial packet

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2767,6 +2774,26 @@ provisional until QUIC's loss detection algorithm determines that the packet is
 actually lost.
 
 
+### Special Considerations for Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery
+
+
+The PADDING frame provides a useful option for PMTU probe packets that does not
+exist in other transports. PADDING frames generate acknowledgements, but their
+content need not be delivered reliably. PADDING frames may delay the delivery of
+application data, as they consume the congestion window. However, by definition
+their likely loss in a probe packet does not require delay- inducing

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@ma= rten-seemann no, it doesn't assume that. In short header packets C =3D = 1 to mean connection ID is omitted avoids collisions with STUN. If the Conn= ection ID is present, then C =3D 0 which makes the first two bits of the pa= cket match those of STUN packets, but if we change the legal values of Conn= ection ID as in my previous we still avoid collisions with STUN when the Co= nnection ID is present. No STUN FINGERPRINT needed in either case.

Sorry, but I'm still a bit confused on the connection ID bit flip in gen= eral.

As Marten mentions, there are use cases for both omitting the connection= ID from all packets when multiplexing QUIC with WebRTC and use cases for i= ncluding it. So inverting the meaning doesn't help solve any problems, unl= ess you don't care about one of these?

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"This value MUST be a valid bidirectional stream ID for a peer-initiated stream (that is, the two least significant bits are set to 0 by a server and to 1 by a client)."
Should this be other way around? the two least significant bits of initial_max_stream_id_bidi should be set to 1 by a server, because that is a valid stream ID for its peer, i.e. a client?

There is a similar issue for initial_max_stream_id_uni.

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Looks good, a few minor things. > @@ -2740,7 +2697,57 @@ that it sends. Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. -## Special Considerations for PMTU Discovery + +## Packet Size + +Clients MUST ensure that the first packet in a connection, and any +retransmissions of those octets, has a QUIC packet size of least 1200 octets. grammar nit: s/retransmissions/retransmission/ , since it's followed by "has a" > @@ -2740,7 +2697,57 @@ that it sends. Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. -## Special Considerations for PMTU Discovery + +## Packet Size + +Clients MUST ensure that the first packet in a connection, and any +retransmissions of those octets, has a QUIC packet size of least 1200 octets. +The packet size for a QUIC packet includes the QUIC header and integrity check, I don't think we need this; "QUIC packet size" is defined in Section 2. > @@ -2740,7 +2697,57 @@ that it sends. Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. -## Special Considerations for PMTU Discovery + +## Packet Size + +Clients MUST ensure that the first packet in a connection, and any +retransmissions of those octets, has a QUIC packet size of least 1200 octets. +The packet size for a QUIC packet includes the QUIC header and integrity check, +but not the UDP or IP header. + +The initial client packet SHOULD be padded to exactly 1200 octets unless the Perhaps "QUIC Initial and Handshake packets" ? > +an MTU of this size and helps reduce the amplitude of amplification attacks +caused by server responses toward an unverified client address. + +Servers MUST ignore an initial plaintext packet from a client if its total size +is less than 1200 octets. + + +## Path Maximum Transmission Unit + +The Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) is the maximum size of the entire IP +header, UDP header, and UDP payload. The UDP payload includes the QUIC packet +header, protected payload, and any authentication fields. + +All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the estimated PMTU to avoid IP +fragmentation or packet drops. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints +SHOULD use Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery ({{!PLPMTUD=RFC4821}}) and MAY use readability nit: long sentence, which is fine, but I would split it at the "and": "... SHOULD use Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery ({{!PLPMTUD=RFC4821}}). Endpoints MAY use ..." > +header, protected payload, and any authentication fields. + +All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the estimated PMTU to avoid IP +fragmentation or packet drops. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints +SHOULD use Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery ({{!PLPMTUD=RFC4821}}) and MAY use +PMTU Discovery ({{!PMTUDv4=RFC1191}}, {{!PMTUDv6=RFC8201}}) for detecting the +PMTU, setting the PMTU appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU +determinations. + +In the absence of these mechanisms, QUIC endpoints SHOULD NOT send IP packets +larger than 1280 octets. Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in +a QUIC packet size of 1232 octets for IPv6 and 1252 octets for IPv4. + +QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of PMTU discovery SHOULD maintain an +estimate for each combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing +could have a different maximum MTU in the path). suggestion: remove the round brackets, and make the parenthetical phrase part of the main sentence. > +fragmentation or packet drops. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints +SHOULD use Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery ({{!PLPMTUD=RFC4821}}) and MAY use +PMTU Discovery ({{!PMTUDv4=RFC1191}}, {{!PMTUDv6=RFC8201}}) for detecting the +PMTU, setting the PMTU appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU +determinations. + +In the absence of these mechanisms, QUIC endpoints SHOULD NOT send IP packets +larger than 1280 octets. Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in +a QUIC packet size of 1232 octets for IPv6 and 1252 octets for IPv4. + +QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of PMTU discovery SHOULD maintain an +estimate for each combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing +could have a different maximum MTU in the path). + +QUIC depends on the network path supporting a MTU of at least 1280 octets. This +is the IPv6 minimum and therefore also supported by most modern IPv4 networks. nit: s/the IPv6 minimum/the IPv6 minimum packet size/ > +SHOULD use Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery ({{!PLPMTUD=RFC4821}}) and MAY use +PMTU Discovery ({{!PMTUDv4=RFC1191}}, {{!PMTUDv6=RFC8201}}) for detecting the +PMTU, setting the PMTU appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU +determinations. + +In the absence of these mechanisms, QUIC endpoints SHOULD NOT send IP packets +larger than 1280 octets. Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in +a QUIC packet size of 1232 octets for IPv6 and 1252 octets for IPv4. + +QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of PMTU discovery SHOULD maintain an +estimate for each combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing +could have a different maximum MTU in the path). + +QUIC depends on the network path supporting a MTU of at least 1280 octets. This +is the IPv6 minimum and therefore also supported by most modern IPv4 networks. +An endpoint MUST NOT reduce their MTU below this number, even if it receives nit: s/their MTU/its MTU/ > +determinations. + +In the absence of these mechanisms, QUIC endpoints SHOULD NOT send IP packets +larger than 1280 octets. Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in +a QUIC packet size of 1232 octets for IPv6 and 1252 octets for IPv4. + +QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of PMTU discovery SHOULD maintain an +estimate for each combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing +could have a different maximum MTU in the path). + +QUIC depends on the network path supporting a MTU of at least 1280 octets. This +is the IPv6 minimum and therefore also supported by most modern IPv4 networks. +An endpoint MUST NOT reduce their MTU below this number, even if it receives +signals that indicate a smaller limit might exist. + +If a QUIC endpoint determines that the PMTU between any pair of local and remote There's obviously a good reason for this, which I can't seem to remember. Why do we disallow smaller packets? Can you add a note here about that as well, so it's obvious to any reader? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/985#pullrequestreview-82001037 ----==_mimepart_5a29b8a7e016e_9583fa569d50f2c1189f5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Looks good, a few minor things.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2740,7 +2697,57 @@ that it sends.
 Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are
 discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
 
-## Special Considerations for PMTU Discovery
+
+## Packet Size
+
+Clients MUST ensure that the first packet in a connection, and any
+retransmissions of those octets, has a QUIC packet size of least 1200 octets.

grammar nit: s/retransmissions/retransmission/ , since it's followed by "has a"

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2740,7 +2697,57 @@ that it sends.
 Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are
 discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
 
-## Special Considerations for PMTU Discovery
+
+## Packet Size
+
+Clients MUST ensure that the first packet in a connection, and any
+retransmissions of those octets, has a QUIC packet size of least 1200 octets.
+The packet size for a QUIC packet includes the QUIC header and integrity check,

I don't think we need this; "QUIC packet size" is defined in Section 2.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2740,7 +2697,57 @@ that it sends.
 Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are
 discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
 
-## Special Considerations for PMTU Discovery
+
+## Packet Size
+
+Clients MUST ensure that the first packet in a connection, and any
+retransmissions of those octets, has a QUIC packet size of least 1200 octets.
+The packet size for a QUIC packet includes the QUIC header and integrity check,
+but not the UDP or IP header.
+
+The initial client packet SHOULD be padded to exactly 1200 octets unless the

Perhaps "QUIC Initial and Handshake packets" ?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +an MTU of this size and helps reduce the amplitude of amplification attacks
+caused by server responses toward an unverified client address.
+
+Servers MUST ignore an initial plaintext packet from a client if its total size
+is less than 1200 octets.
+
+
+## Path Maximum Transmission Unit
+
+The Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) is the maximum size of the entire IP
+header, UDP header, and UDP payload. The UDP payload includes the QUIC packet
+header, protected payload, and any authentication fields.
+
+All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the estimated PMTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation or packet drops. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints
+SHOULD use Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery ({{!PLPMTUD=RFC4821}}) and MAY use

readability nit: long sentence, which is fine, but I would split it at the "and": "... SHOULD use Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery ({{!PLPMTUD=RFC4821}}). Endpoints MAY use ..."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +header, protected payload, and any authentication fields.
+
+All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the estimated PMTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation or packet drops. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints
+SHOULD use Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery ({{!PLPMTUD=RFC4821}}) and MAY use
+PMTU Discovery ({{!PMTUDv4=RFC1191}}, {{!PMTUDv6=RFC8201}}) for detecting the
+PMTU, setting the PMTU appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations.
+
+In the absence of these mechanisms, QUIC endpoints SHOULD NOT send IP packets
+larger than 1280 octets. Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in
+a QUIC packet size of 1232 octets for IPv6 and 1252 octets for IPv4.
+
+QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of PMTU discovery SHOULD maintain an
+estimate for each combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing
+could have a different maximum MTU in the path).

suggestion: remove the round brackets, and make the parenthetical phrase part of the main sentence.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +fragmentation or packet drops. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints
+SHOULD use Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery ({{!PLPMTUD=RFC4821}}) and MAY use
+PMTU Discovery ({{!PMTUDv4=RFC1191}}, {{!PMTUDv6=RFC8201}}) for detecting the
+PMTU, setting the PMTU appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations.
+
+In the absence of these mechanisms, QUIC endpoints SHOULD NOT send IP packets
+larger than 1280 octets. Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in
+a QUIC packet size of 1232 octets for IPv6 and 1252 octets for IPv4.
+
+QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of PMTU discovery SHOULD maintain an
+estimate for each combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing
+could have a different maximum MTU in the path).
+
+QUIC depends on the network path supporting a MTU of at least 1280 octets. This
+is the IPv6 minimum and therefore also supported by most modern IPv4 networks.

nit: s/the IPv6 minimum/the IPv6 minimum packet size/

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +SHOULD use Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery ({{!PLPMTUD=RFC4821}}) and MAY use
+PMTU Discovery ({{!PMTUDv4=RFC1191}}, {{!PMTUDv6=RFC8201}}) for detecting the
+PMTU, setting the PMTU appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations.
+
+In the absence of these mechanisms, QUIC endpoints SHOULD NOT send IP packets
+larger than 1280 octets. Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in
+a QUIC packet size of 1232 octets for IPv6 and 1252 octets for IPv4.
+
+QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of PMTU discovery SHOULD maintain an
+estimate for each combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing
+could have a different maximum MTU in the path).
+
+QUIC depends on the network path supporting a MTU of at least 1280 octets. This
+is the IPv6 minimum and therefore also supported by most modern IPv4 networks.
+An endpoint MUST NOT reduce their MTU below this number, even if it receives

nit: s/their MTU/its MTU/

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +determinations.
+
+In the absence of these mechanisms, QUIC endpoints SHOULD NOT send IP packets
+larger than 1280 octets. Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in
+a QUIC packet size of 1232 octets for IPv6 and 1252 octets for IPv4.
+
+QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of PMTU discovery SHOULD maintain an
+estimate for each combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing
+could have a different maximum MTU in the path).
+
+QUIC depends on the network path supporting a MTU of at least 1280 octets. This
+is the IPv6 minimum and therefore also supported by most modern IPv4 networks.
+An endpoint MUST NOT reduce their MTU below this number, even if it receives
+signals that indicate a smaller limit might exist.
+
+If a QUIC endpoint determines that the PMTU between any pair of local and remote

There's obviously a good reason for this, which I can't seem to remember. Why do we disallow smaller packets? Can you add a note here about that as well, so it's obvious to any reader?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +determinations.
+
+In the absence of these mechanisms, QUIC endpoints SHOULD NOT send IP packets
+larger than 1280 octets. Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in
+a QUIC packet size of 1232 octets for IPv6 and 1252 octets for IPv4.
+
+QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of PMTU discovery SHOULD maintain an
+estimate for each combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing
+could have a different maximum MTU in the path).
+
+QUIC depends on the network path supporting a MTU of at least 1280 octets. This
+is the IPv6 minimum and therefore also supported by most modern IPv4 networks.
+An endpoint MUST NOT reduce their MTU below this number, even if it receives
+signals that indicate a smaller limit might exist.
+
+If a QUIC endpoint determines that the PMTU between any pair of local and remote

My reading of this is that the maximum must not be reduced, but if you have less to send, go ahead. This will trigger packet loss and eventual connection failure when sending bulk data on a network that does not honor the 1200 minimum and therefore possibly trigger a connection migration if possible, or otherwise stop a hopeless quest.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +determinations.
+
+In the absence of these mechanisms, QUIC endpoints SHOULD NOT send IP packets
+larger than 1280 octets. Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in
+a QUIC packet size of 1232 octets for IPv6 and 1252 octets for IPv4.
+
+QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of PMTU discovery SHOULD maintain an
+estimate for each combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing
+could have a different maximum MTU in the path).
+
+QUIC depends on the network path supporting a MTU of at least 1280 octets. This
+is the IPv6 minimum and therefore also supported by most modern IPv4 networks.
+An endpoint MUST NOT reduce their MTU below this number, even if it receives
+signals that indicate a smaller limit might exist.
+
+If a QUIC endpoint determines that the PMTU between any pair of local and remote

Another reason may be to prevent DoS attacks by injection of unverifiable network congestion control / status data.

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But, to summarise, a STUN packet header is formatted as: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |0 0| STUN Message Type | Message Length | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Magic Cookie = 0x2112A442 | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | | | Transaction ID (96 bits) | | | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ This is straight-forward to demux with QUIC long header packets, since they have the initial bit set to 1 and STUN has it set to zero. QUIC short header packets are: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |0|C|K| Type | [Connection ID (64)] | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | [Connection ID (64)] | + +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | |X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ I assume the common case is that the Connection ID is not present. If we define C=1 to mean that the Connection ID is not present, then the first two bits of the QUIC short header packet will be 01. This is straight-forward to demux from STUN, since those bits are 00 in STUN packets. If the Connection ID is present, then the QUIC short header packet will have C=0 and so start with the first two bits equal to 00, which matches the first two bits of a STUN packet. We also see that the 64-bit QUIC Connection ID occupies the same space as the last 8 bits of the STUN Message Type, the 16-bit Message Length, the Magic Cookie, and the first 8-bits of the Transaction ID. To demultiplex such a QUIC packet from STUN, we need to either (1) use the STUN FINGERPRINT; (2) redefine the QUIC Connection ID to be 63-bit value that encoded into a 64 bits for both long- and short-header packets, with the encoding chosen so that one of the middle bits is set to avoid collisions with the STUN magic cookie when sent in short header packets; or (3) choose the QUIC short header type values to avoid conflicts with STUN message types (which is what #956 does). None of these are pleasant, but I tend to think (3) is best, since it also allows demux of WebRTC traffic. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/426#issuecomment-350113232 ----==_mimepart_5a29bfaef3091_14ae3f9be8252f382218c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I was misreading the packet formats, which perhaps wasn't helping... But= , to summarise, a STUN packet header is formatted as:

 0                   1                   2                   3
 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|0 0|     STUN Message Type     |         Message Length        |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                   Magic Cookie  =3D 0x2112A442                  |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                                                               |
|                     Transaction ID (96 bits)                  |
|                                                               |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

This is straight-forward to demux with QUIC long header packets, since t= hey have the initial bit set to 1 and STUN has it set to zero.

QUIC short header packets are:

 0                   1                   2                   3
 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|0|C|K|   Type  |     [Connection ID (64)]                      |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|                     [Connection ID (64)]                      |
+               +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|               |X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X=20
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X...
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

I assume the common case is that the Connection ID is not present. If we= define C=3D1 to mean that the Connection ID is not present, then the first= two bits of the QUIC short header packet will be 01. This is straight-forw= ard to demux from STUN, since those bits are 00 in STUN packets.

If the Connection ID is present, then the QUIC short header packet will = have C=3D0 and so start with the first two bits equal to 00, which matches = the first two bits of a STUN packet. We also see that the 64-bit QUIC Conne= ction ID occupies the same space as the last 8 bits of the STUN Message Typ= e, the 16-bit Message Length, the Magic Cookie, and the first 8-bits of the= Transaction ID. To demultiplex such a QUIC packet from STUN, we need to ei= ther (1) use the STUN FINGERPRINT; (2) redefine the QUIC Connection ID to b= e 63-bit value that encoded into a 64 bits for both long- and short-header = packets, with the encoding chosen so that one of the middle bits is set to = avoid collisions with the STUN magic cookie when sent in short header packe= ts; or (3) choose the QUIC short header type values to avoid conflicts with= STUN message types (which is what #956 does). None of these are pleasant, but I tend to think (3)= is best, since it also allows demux of WebRTC traffic.

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This is just a summary based on my first pass over the document, so take it for what it is. I have only superficial knowledge of HTTP/2 in advance. 1. A bit too much discussion of HTTP/2 instead of leaving that for section 8. It does not help understanding QUIC/HTTP from scratch. And perhaps a bit too much assumption about HTTP/2 knowledge while implementers might have skipped that step in their evolution. 2. No explanation of how methods are communicated. Header fields reference HTTP 1.1 draft, but from skimming HTTP/2 doc, it is clear that these (as suspected) are transfered via special headers known as pseudo headers). 3. Lots of frame type flags, none used, and only a few types. Why not either remove flags and have more types, or have a type bit encoding for flags presence (this may be due to early state of draft, just mentioning). 4. Why are settings 16 bits instead of varints, and why is the space so large. A 256 or even 2K space would be easy to have in a table, 64K requires a map or switching logic. A settings space still requires that both ends understands a signficant portion of settings to make any real sense. Who decides to add more settings. Is this to have space for the next century, or just until the next QUIC version? 5. There is an End Header Block something, but it is unclear what it is. Is it a flag to be defined, or some pseudo header? 6. The GOWAY discussion could probably be shortened and made it bit clearer - it takes a few readings to understand the point of multiple GOWAY frames and why the ID can decrease (not sure I do fully understand). 7. A basic example of a short HTTP 1.1 request and how it looks in the protocol would be helpful. 8. The HPACK, to be replaced, doc is hard to parse, and it doesn't sound like it is as complicated as it reads. Hopefully a future QUIC equivalent would be a bit easier to digest. 9. 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Reading through the QUIC/HTTP-draft-08 a few things appeared unclear. This is just a summary based on my first pass over the document, so take it for what it is. I have only superficial knowledge of HTTP/2 in advance.

  1. A bit too much discussion of HTTP/2 instead of leaving that for section 8. It does not help understanding QUIC/HTTP from scratch. And perhaps a bit too much assumption about HTTP/2 knowledge while implementers might have skipped that step in their evolution.
  2. No explanation of how methods are communicated. Header fields reference HTTP 1.1 draft, but from skimming HTTP/2 doc, it is clear that these (as suspected) are transfered via special headers known as pseudo headers).
  3. Lots of frame type flags, none used, and only a few types. Why not either remove flags and have more types, or have a type bit encoding for flags presence (this may be due to early state of draft, just mentioning).
  4. Why are settings 16 bits instead of varints, and why is the space so large. A 256 or even 2K space would be easy to have in a table, 64K requires a map or switching logic. A settings space still requires that both ends understands a signficant portion of settings to make any real sense. Who decides to add more settings. Is this to have space for the next century, or just until the next QUIC version?
  5. There is an End Header Block something, but it is unclear what it is. Is it a flag to be defined, or some pseudo header?
  6. The GOWAY discussion could probably be shortened and made it bit clearer - it takes a few readings to understand the point of multiple GOWAY frames and why the ID can decrease (not sure I do fully understand).
  7. A basic example of a short HTTP 1.1 request and how it looks in the protocol would be helpful.
  8. The HPACK, to be replaced, doc is hard to parse, and it doesn't sound like it is as complicated as it reads. Hopefully a future QUIC equivalent would be a bit easier to digest.
  9. The entire push hierarchy sounds very complex - I wonder what the takeaway from HTTP/2 is - is it really worthwhile, or is no-one using it yet, but in 10 years it will be huge?

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And thus does issue #1000 pass. Ignominiously. How apt.

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Ugh, this is what you get when you move text. I swear I didn't change anything here. Rewording coming up. > @@ -2740,7 +2697,57 @@ that it sends. Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. -## Special Considerations for PMTU Discovery + +## Packet Size + +Clients MUST ensure that the first packet in a connection, and any +retransmissions of those octets, has a QUIC packet size of least 1200 octets. +The packet size for a QUIC packet includes the QUIC header and integrity check, I never realized that "QUIC packet size" was defined there. I think that this is the better place to add that definition. > @@ -2740,7 +2697,57 @@ that it sends. Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. -## Special Considerations for PMTU Discovery + +## Packet Size + +Clients MUST ensure that the first packet in a connection, and any +retransmissions of those octets, has a QUIC packet size of least 1200 octets. +The packet size for a QUIC packet includes the QUIC header and integrity check, +but not the UDP or IP header. + +The initial client packet SHOULD be padded to exactly 1200 octets unless the It's only Initial. I'll reword this. > -## Special Considerations for PMTU Discovery + +## Packet Size + +Clients MUST ensure that the first packet in a connection, and any +retransmissions of those octets, has a QUIC packet size of least 1200 octets. +The packet size for a QUIC packet includes the QUIC header and integrity check, +but not the UDP or IP header. + +The initial client packet SHOULD be padded to exactly 1200 octets unless the +client has a reasonable assurance that the Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) +is larger. Sending a packet of this size ensures that the network path supports +an MTU of this size and helps reduce the amplitude of amplification attacks +caused by server responses toward an unverified client address. + +Servers MUST ignore an initial plaintext packet from a client if its total size Moar rewording coming up. > +header, protected payload, and any authentication fields. + +All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the estimated PMTU to avoid IP +fragmentation or packet drops. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints +SHOULD use Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery ({{!PLPMTUD=RFC4821}}) and MAY use +PMTU Discovery ({{!PMTUDv4=RFC1191}}, {{!PMTUDv6=RFC8201}}) for detecting the +PMTU, setting the PMTU appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU +determinations. + +In the absence of these mechanisms, QUIC endpoints SHOULD NOT send IP packets +larger than 1280 octets. Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in +a QUIC packet size of 1232 octets for IPv6 and 1252 octets for IPv4. + +QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of PMTU discovery SHOULD maintain an +estimate for each combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing +could have a different maximum MTU in the path). or a new sentence > +fragmentation or packet drops. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints +SHOULD use Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery ({{!PLPMTUD=RFC4821}}) and MAY use +PMTU Discovery ({{!PMTUDv4=RFC1191}}, {{!PMTUDv6=RFC8201}}) for detecting the +PMTU, setting the PMTU appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU +determinations. + +In the absence of these mechanisms, QUIC endpoints SHOULD NOT send IP packets +larger than 1280 octets. Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in +a QUIC packet size of 1232 octets for IPv6 and 1252 octets for IPv4. + +QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of PMTU discovery SHOULD maintain an +estimate for each combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing +could have a different maximum MTU in the path). + +QUIC depends on the network path supporting a MTU of at least 1280 octets. This +is the IPv6 minimum and therefore also supported by most modern IPv4 networks. MTU, not packet size (a 1280 MTU implies a smaller packet size) > +determinations. + +In the absence of these mechanisms, QUIC endpoints SHOULD NOT send IP packets +larger than 1280 octets. Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in +a QUIC packet size of 1232 octets for IPv6 and 1252 octets for IPv4. + +QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of PMTU discovery SHOULD maintain an +estimate for each combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing +could have a different maximum MTU in the path). + +QUIC depends on the network path supporting a MTU of at least 1280 octets. This +is the IPv6 minimum and therefore also supported by most modern IPv4 networks. +An endpoint MUST NOT reduce their MTU below this number, even if it receives +signals that indicate a smaller limit might exist. + +If a QUIC endpoint determines that the PMTU between any pair of local and remote I'm going to request that you open an issue if you care about this. This is old text and I'm not really equipped to deal with it right now. I *think* that @mikkelfj is approximately right. It might also be to avoid using paths that will drop random packets. 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Ugh, this is what you get when you move text. I swear I didn't change anything here.

Rewording coming up.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2740,7 +2697,57 @@ that it sends.
 Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are
 discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
 
-## Special Considerations for PMTU Discovery
+
+## Packet Size
+
+Clients MUST ensure that the first packet in a connection, and any
+retransmissions of those octets, has a QUIC packet size of least 1200 octets.
+The packet size for a QUIC packet includes the QUIC header and integrity check,

I never realized that "QUIC packet size" was defined there. I think that this is the better place to add that definition.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2740,7 +2697,57 @@ that it sends.
 Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are
 discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
 
-## Special Considerations for PMTU Discovery
+
+## Packet Size
+
+Clients MUST ensure that the first packet in a connection, and any
+retransmissions of those octets, has a QUIC packet size of least 1200 octets.
+The packet size for a QUIC packet includes the QUIC header and integrity check,
+but not the UDP or IP header.
+
+The initial client packet SHOULD be padded to exactly 1200 octets unless the

It's only Initial. I'll reword this.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -## Special Considerations for PMTU Discovery
+
+## Packet Size
+
+Clients MUST ensure that the first packet in a connection, and any
+retransmissions of those octets, has a QUIC packet size of least 1200 octets.
+The packet size for a QUIC packet includes the QUIC header and integrity check,
+but not the UDP or IP header.
+
+The initial client packet SHOULD be padded to exactly 1200 octets unless the
+client has a reasonable assurance that the Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU)
+is larger.  Sending a packet of this size ensures that the network path supports
+an MTU of this size and helps reduce the amplitude of amplification attacks
+caused by server responses toward an unverified client address.
+
+Servers MUST ignore an initial plaintext packet from a client if its total size

Moar rewording coming up.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +header, protected payload, and any authentication fields.
+
+All QUIC packets SHOULD be sized to fit within the estimated PMTU to avoid IP
+fragmentation or packet drops. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints
+SHOULD use Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery ({{!PLPMTUD=RFC4821}}) and MAY use
+PMTU Discovery ({{!PMTUDv4=RFC1191}}, {{!PMTUDv6=RFC8201}}) for detecting the
+PMTU, setting the PMTU appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations.
+
+In the absence of these mechanisms, QUIC endpoints SHOULD NOT send IP packets
+larger than 1280 octets. Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in
+a QUIC packet size of 1232 octets for IPv6 and 1252 octets for IPv4.
+
+QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of PMTU discovery SHOULD maintain an
+estimate for each combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing
+could have a different maximum MTU in the path).

or a new sentence

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +fragmentation or packet drops. To optimize bandwidth efficiency, endpoints
+SHOULD use Packetization Layer PMTU Discovery ({{!PLPMTUD=RFC4821}}) and MAY use
+PMTU Discovery ({{!PMTUDv4=RFC1191}}, {{!PMTUDv6=RFC8201}}) for detecting the
+PMTU, setting the PMTU appropriately, and storing the result of previous PMTU
+determinations.
+
+In the absence of these mechanisms, QUIC endpoints SHOULD NOT send IP packets
+larger than 1280 octets. Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in
+a QUIC packet size of 1232 octets for IPv6 and 1252 octets for IPv4.
+
+QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of PMTU discovery SHOULD maintain an
+estimate for each combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing
+could have a different maximum MTU in the path).
+
+QUIC depends on the network path supporting a MTU of at least 1280 octets. This
+is the IPv6 minimum and therefore also supported by most modern IPv4 networks.

MTU, not packet size (a 1280 MTU implies a smaller packet size)

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +determinations.
+
+In the absence of these mechanisms, QUIC endpoints SHOULD NOT send IP packets
+larger than 1280 octets. Assuming the minimum IP header size, this results in
+a QUIC packet size of 1232 octets for IPv6 and 1252 octets for IPv4.
+
+QUIC endpoints that implement any kind of PMTU discovery SHOULD maintain an
+estimate for each combination of local and remote IP addresses (as each pairing
+could have a different maximum MTU in the path).
+
+QUIC depends on the network path supporting a MTU of at least 1280 octets. This
+is the IPv6 minimum and therefore also supported by most modern IPv4 networks.
+An endpoint MUST NOT reduce their MTU below this number, even if it receives
+signals that indicate a smaller limit might exist.
+
+If a QUIC endpoint determines that the PMTU between any pair of local and remote

I'm going to request that you open an issue if you care about this. This is old text and I'm not really equipped to deal with it right now. I think that @mikkelfj is approximately right. It might also be to avoid using paths that will drop random packets.

Frankly, I don't think that we need the requirement. If you know that this has happened, you can deal. The only real cost at that point is that you might be unable to create a new connection on that path.

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That seems to follow unless I'm missing something. I expect that the Connection ID will be present on all packets going from the client to the server (including ack packets) and that it will mostly be absent on packets going from the server to the client. This is what GQUIC does at the moment, and Google servers will require the client to always include connection ID on packets it sends. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/426#issuecomment-350169269 ----==_mimepart_5a2a1503ab48c_9053f9a1e900f2c16165a5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@csper= kins : Does this mean that the short header type values in #956 are adequate and tha= t redefining the C bit is unnecessary? That seems to follow unless I'm mi= ssing something.

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----==_mimepart_5a2a17af18338_62a3f8a19168f2c1439425-- From nobody Thu Dec 7 20:52:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB426127B57 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 20:52:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fmQ-yk0vsIgl for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 20:52:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from m69-169.mailgun.net (m69-169.mailgun.net [166.78.69.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95A751241F3 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 20:52:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1512708748; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=cyMGX/wZgKLOspwcMfJEx2vkdnCyjMh0gIgxk9TurAA=; b=ZUDHDGH48vzFPKA1kKTr/EVBTHLLexHmVCQJSEsF7JaS3XkKMUDrvNXcyTHeIQlZTddX4Ouj CShBb5XCGsQDIvfwKFYaBvszslnHQt3d0wkfGyFSSQFC0uaDpz+d2x/Ay4n5imuanlxPvwGY wGV2AiPOoPrV8DlPF7ri/Xa3FQ4= Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.169 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.34]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5a2a1a8b.7f174408cf30-smtp-out-n02; Fri, 08 Dec 2017 04:52:27 -0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 20:52:26 -0800 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5a2a1a8ada4d7_69662afdcaa49c1c96198@hookshot-fe-7191cb1.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] e7f470: Update key schedule Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a2a1a8ada05f_69662afdcaa49c1c96026"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2017 04:52:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a2a1a8ada05f_69662afdcaa49c1c96026 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/gratuitous-key-schedule-change Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: e7f4707d3864a2e63e7d68dd81be85d99dca4134 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e7f4707d3864a2e63e7d68dd81be85d99dca4134 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-12-08 (Fri, 08 Dec 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Update key schedule This changes the labels that we use in key derivations to be shorter. That is in line with similar changes TLS made, so that the number of iterations of the underlying hash function are reduced slightly. QUIC will still run SHA-256 like a bitcoin rig, but this should help some. I've chosen to define the function we use rather than reuse the TLS 1.3 function. It's still the same function, but it now uses a different root label. That should help avoid collisions if QUIC and TLS diverge (though that would be unlikely). The main benefit is in reducing the label length. This also corrects the error in the example. Commit: 7ebcc7a710b574616112f961406e75fb846c131e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7ebcc7a710b574616112f961406e75fb846c131e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-12-08 (Fri, 08 Dec 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- A few consistency fixes Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/e7f4707d3864^...7ebcc7a710b5 ----==_mimepart_5a2a1a8ada05f_69662afdcaa49c1c96026-- From nobody Thu Dec 7 21:04:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17386128D3E for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 21:04:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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TLS moved to shorter labels to reduce the number of times we call SHA-256. We should do that.

Also, capitalization on "secret" is inconsistent in the example, credit to @mcmanus for finding that. It's surprising that it took so long for anyone to complain.

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----==_mimepart_5a2a1e018067f_5f933fc628366f2c16001b0-- From nobody Thu Dec 7 21:08:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B64A9128D3E for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 21:08:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r2Uz3Hob1RJH for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 21:08:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1FE1127B57 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 21:08:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=FDRZY6fQfn+M4NUqBfTeiG9+BXI=; b=jDeE6N2Bcsu2UTp9 sjHGJm3Jat36QZqwCYF3gzg2cEVftOGJgms6sEoNV8qt526rybdVqEEZ/wAqM9zQ y+/YkjxeP6WPLG5hDMBQmfli3WIyvo19lVPiEz5nNhq3GbOpMCsjjnQrROPL7zz4 LGceISO2RkeL9mw4g0D/yUeg2Oc= Received: by filter0123p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0123p1iad2-31056-5A2A1E37-28 2017-12-08 05:08:07.915250025 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0020p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id KsQdVQQtSBidtQo7YaKeMQ for ; Fri, 08 Dec 2017 05:08:07.971 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2017 05:08:08 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Gratuitous key schedule change (#1004) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a2a1e37d515e_2d6a3ff8387fcf2c149812"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3siht8huB3t33LHNRwJsB83ehSrT1SQKh/ZQ xrAB7pop7MmqCnVoGu0PrugugDdTJMqljdUB6zc3Lw+fAbiBHUF9mG5Y/N2RefFYnHpkjXoDWPCbEl MJgwsCFZByxIZJ2wf2DwYwDPFetzvM0+UTLOshUpTgUF0ka3LedWSyei5M9vFx7j6/sjf2K0vmwsUJ k= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2017 05:08:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a2a1e37d515e_2d6a3ff8387fcf2c149812 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This changes the key schedule for QUIC so that it uses shorter labels. Rather than a "tls13 " stem, it uses a "QUIC " stem. The labels are all now shorter and more consistent in case. Closes #1003. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1004 -- Commit Summary -- * Update key schedule * A few consistency fixes -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (120) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1004.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1004.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1004 ----==_mimepart_5a2a1e37d515e_2d6a3ff8387fcf2c149812 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This changes the key schedule for QUIC so that it uses shorter labels. Rather than a "tls13 " stem, it uses a "QUIC " stem. The labels are all now shorter and more consistent in case.

Closes #1003.

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  • A few consistency fixes

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The TLS draft mentioned "Server Stateless Retry" a few times. Now it doesn't. That's a minor point.

I have also added a section that deals with the potential for Retry to be sent multiple times with different values. A stateless version of NSS will generate a different cookie in response to every ticket it receives. The difference is due to the need to generate a nonce for self-encryption. That means that the client could end up with many HelloRetryRequest messages to work from.

A client shouldn't proceed with more than one handshake here or we are well into the territory of violating some of the basic assumptions in the TLS security analysis (that ClientHello.random is a nonce).

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Will this change be included in -09? Do we need to do this before or after the remote interim?

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Merged #1002.

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It's definitely not in -08. I definitely wouldn't want to make this part of anything we do this month.

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  • 79003d0 Remove mention of Server Stateless Retry/Client Initial/Cleartext packets.

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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

Still LGTM

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@marten-seemann raises a good point -- let's not merge this until after we decide on #995.

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----==_mimepart_5a2a2434fa6_7ff03f8884056f30564d3-- From nobody Thu Dec 7 23:14:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C566B124E15 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 23:14:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.396 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.396 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dKIPKFQkDMTx for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 23:14:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2023124BE8 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2017 23:14:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=UBoDJkY0Gx8XyUBcm+xpjuYBzUA=; b=cQ/uX4fwth+iR6ec bsLENKTJWCND/f/gT3TPVbDloCN6fFypx+WPb9UVIBVR7TnAKoTpKUNUk0vABAG8 3+JuDTgkon6EjWD6ql6bFzx7T8t4R9aHuk7jLvzZVHwvUE3EutK2jx3G7795PPmW Hds4TOLvUncgrVpY9yTFZF/3JHo= Received: by filter0535p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0535p1las1-18992-5A2A3BC5-11 2017-12-08 07:14:13.62858012 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0010p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id SvuqIFOzR1KP5SNgV-Os9w for ; Fri, 08 Dec 2017 07:14:13.411 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2017 07:14:13 +0000 (UTC) From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Move back to draft 07 style type byte (#995) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a2a3bc571c28_71433fbe1c9e2f2c36678b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3y5sj90kRDSXRkYnq15BJV2ka+7TxwxiBVx7 Qmyp7dvV2I9YcUkUKdoRyjFtHawXDKtbqq9x9j/iGMeXhnIfOAqVVM2NpH5REm9rm2EzTHdJ1e7/Yg IcIt+yqX9HohagOT3a12MV4MJg+MyAGWkuCemTfR9eUWNXfohTTUDZj+W/JrI9BfncIsUO+duOUz2w A= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2017 07:14:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a2a3bc571c28_71433fbe1c9e2f2c36678b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have implemented the changes in Picoquic. Going back to the previous format would not help me one bit. Besides, the PR is *not* going back to the previous format -- it still does changes like merging server clear text and client clear text in a single code, removing the code point for renegotiation, and shifting all the other long header types by one. So it does not actually save much work for someone going from -07 to -08. Useless, negative in fact. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/995#issuecomment-350190993 ----==_mimepart_5a2a3bc571c28_71433fbe1c9e2f2c36678b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have implemented the changes in Picoquic. Going back to the previous f= ormat would not help me one bit. Besides, the PR is not going back= to the previous format -- it still does changes like merging server clear = text and client clear text in a single code, removing the code point for re= negotiation, and shifting all the other long header types by one. So it doe= s not actually save much work for someone going from -07 to -08.

Useless, negative in fact.

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@huitema requested changes on this pull request.

Please don't do that. It will cause trouble for those implementers who already have draft 08 done, and will not actually save that much work for the other ones. Even with that change, the format of the long header will change, due to removal of renegotiation. So you don't win much...

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@huitema: Client and Server Cleartext were merged into a single codepoint a long = time before #956.

This PR is very helpful for people who have a deployment of gQUIC, since= it's easy to demultiplex the old format with gQUIC, which is a big pain wi= th #956. I don't know a= bout the others maintaining a gQUIC deployments, but I don't see the point = of going through the trouble to implement a new demultiplexing scheme for t= his change, just to change it again once we agree on yet another type byte = format.

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----==_mimepart_5a2a507c74784_1304e3f85263faf30448865-- From nobody Fri Dec 8 05:17:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40701124D37 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 05:17:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VgNzkZhkg26C for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 05:17:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73CE812726E for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 05:17:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=ve/a9QllV1TT8J2GcdNkcy3I57k=; b=ofNJTzDN2OA/1ehM qWyi5vZ3GqCLvU5XBNXm8qa2wcGy85uDFcOWQKr6uhy6RlrRagHXtVDtqsf849ku GxJrZxSK77xxz2hScoka+mFuHI0NG+TKvbreYdMKm1cPX3XsAUDFkWqWw/9gdjvt J3xvVyLvN4ZpTnqkyPeyrivmP6o= Received: by filter0224p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0224p1las1-15120-5A2A90F1-5 2017-12-08 13:17:37.134815801 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 2MOWNVOkTxWb6XLiwgQw5g for ; Fri, 08 Dec 2017 13:17:36.989 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2017 13:17:37 +0000 (UTC) From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP header compression: static table fit for QUIC (#904) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a2a90f0d2e93_77213ff7f8b98f2c601bb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3zkiKjfK1xE17aI45S5VC4LQKUr2dOgYX+RE KYPIYFdTfikANu+Izr/sygR5jHbXOLZdRf3qWvU7hOW25L7WV40unXj44YADSMPIol9SEVRCG9zz13 dgOPcYYDK7zceuseXyl2Nah49fWrYuMlgmVTsm48g9uIvgSv/ezgpk6//6rvAcxh3MhjilE4UHrkrL g= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2017 13:17:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a2a90f0d2e93_77213ff7f8b98f2c601bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the largest benefit to keeping the HPACK static table is interoperability between HPACK and the new compression mechanism. If this property is deemed unnecessary, the static table can be updated to use the latest common headers. In my mind, this is a good feature to have and QMIN is designed to be interoperable with HPACK given a few conditions. As for telemetry, I think we have to guess -- unless some big companies are willing to enable stats gathering and sharing them -- as more and more HTTP connections are secure. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/904#issuecomment-350260711 ----==_mimepart_5a2a90f0d2e93_77213ff7f8b98f2c601bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think the largest benefit to keeping the HPACK static table is interop= erability between HPACK and the new compression mechanism. If this propert= y is deemed unnecessary, the static table can be updated to use the latest = common headers.

In my mind, this is a good feature to have and QMIN is designed to be in= teroperable with HPACK given a few conditions.

As for telemetry, I think we have to guess -- unless some big companies = are willing to enable stats gathering and sharing them -- as more and more = HTTP connections are secure.

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@huitema At this point, I think there are enough people who have implemented 08 t= hat this should only be landed once we have a plan for greasing the type by= te.

@ma= rten-seemann Given we're not yet greasing, I think you can use the tric= k of looking at the nonce bit on the server side to differentiate GQUIC fro= m IETF QUIC(No client to server packet ever has the nonce bit set to true i= n GQUIC). We haven't done this yet in GQUIC, but I don't anticipate this w= ill be a huge change?

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= ----==_mimepart_5a2abc0ec7f19_25233fe0a227af3414071b-- From nobody Fri Dec 8 08:28:25 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B6F127866 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 08:28:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CliiL6no_94O for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 08:28:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18D4F127843 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 08:28:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=qhxLEBtBNs4EUejwpCv40/3ehSc=; b=Y9ANzGy17bAKxK/U QH6mZRzWog4svHAr1cajSt9qLhYNq/KAQBb+p9tGGcYuoFM0EWNqsJdbsSgt0fEF fg5cCu6Jcs8kiITgefH4Mw5t+4C0ow4ntneRxQHNcEcsNYEH2baO8YFsPRmktqSB Id+ExlP5dxtcWCE8nTCb/6fNoQw= Received: by filter0551p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0551p1las1-17084-5A2ABDA4-F 2017-12-08 16:28:20.517237531 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0024p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id GZP01mTTShWTIPCfVE2reA for ; Fri, 08 Dec 2017 16:28:20.418 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2017 16:28:20 +0000 (UTC) From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Move back to draft 07 style type byte (#995) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a2abda44f725_22d23ff3c44f6f301436c2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2OsRP53pzjboO2c5p4telYm2jyMovUVRcKHr OznsXR9shw3M8DnYp/XTmHkPCGvmxgNtr2Nnus+ia0nDFWC2SoJDM2hLNvKBZrYw8vo8cFNUQCqIvm 7J4ije/IBMSG3s4HNosikjuLnaNhN4CZ1srn7GtB48Gm6rk4NlF4iIAQCA== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2017 16:28:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a2abda44f725_22d23ff3c44f6f301436c2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Slight tweak to my last comment. Apparently @janaiyengar asked implementers their preference on the slack channel. I'm happy to let implementers decide. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/995#issuecomment-350306873 ----==_mimepart_5a2abda44f725_22d23ff3c44f6f301436c2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Slight tweak to my last comment. Apparently @janaiyengar asked implementers their preference on the slack channel. I'm happy to let implementers decide.

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We're pretty close to settling on a wire image, I think. It would be useful for the transport draft (and eventually the RFC) to have an appendix covering issues with simultaneous support of GQUIC versions and QUIC v1.

I believe all the entities actually trying to support GQUIC are heavily involved in the working group. However, I imagine there are quite a lot of middleboxes out there doing some basic ID/classification (if not more) on GQUIC today, and will need some guide on how to simultaneously handle two packet header formats, etc.

If people are opposed to an appendix, I suppose a short-lived internet draft would also get the job done. In any case, I'd like to see a placeholder sooner rather than later.

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----==_mimepart_5a2ac916db643_6a1f3fe08708cf302448e4-- From nobody Fri Dec 8 09:33:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C381127077 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 09:33:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C29l9ZRlRAAP for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 09:33:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F19D126DFB for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 09:33:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=atmiq6mZO2QAc9K6chsAw4BqMjY=; b=hdj4U8SAiJWKHXjp w88FCmShYsC2k6gKxPfsNdopmHoT6YYxy/+KT6Qv7AbHEoB7t4d8A0bqEe6s9jzu JSnmBSFueHzy5wl5dQwxZqime/gOrvNDUmbjO4xUSLZDRW9O43fo6+Xu6UaqxK/L Yxqo/blZwxDHOQ4b3CvqGVYOyak= Received: by filter0019p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0019p1iad2-22388-5A2ACCEC-3 2017-12-08 17:33:32.05006609 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0021p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 1BXAObwPTeWCk0IZ4nXibA for ; Fri, 08 Dec 2017 17:33:32.128 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2017 17:33:32 +0000 (UTC) From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK Frames should be in Increasing Packet Number Order (#969) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a2accec546d_20783fd5f6c3af30146246"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2sV9CjuNjh3biahXErmamZ70sCIXPG4sqVXh 4lFUjaVnUkE0lWrvE5jR6xrIrPvl8x3l1gz6fge2ixDe1tql8TxO8TptIr25I6Zcl+IKOE4qxCzJdU bXITKG88CXlqkXa6GUrpzFXn8TLWZP8Qstg8kNOlktFiXE9cWI0ZhDKNyydlcZqkMiMkKhv5yCbXv+ A= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2017 17:33:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a2accec546d_20783fd5f6c3af30146246 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I concur with all the arguments in favor of descending order. @nibanks I see that in the general case, largest_acked can have the annoying property of being somewhere in the middle of your packet list. However, I'll note that a single block can easily be processed lowest to highest, which will tend to address your problem because... 1) in the lossless case, there is only one block anyway. 2) If the ACK only advertises one *new* gap, the earlier blocks have presumably been wiped out from your packet queue anyway. I confess that the situation where there are large numbers of lost packets to travers in the queue could be suboptimal. One can solve this by keeping lost packets in a separate queue, or keeping a pointer to the first packet not declared lost. Ascending order really shines when an ACK frame reports multiple *new* packet gaps. I'm not sure how to trade that off against the other considerations. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/969#issuecomment-350323275 ----==_mimepart_5a2accec546d_20783fd5f6c3af30146246 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I concur with all the arguments in favor of descending order.

@nibanks I see that in the general case, largest_acked can have the annoying prop= erty of being somewhere in the middle of your packet list. However, I'll no= te that a single block can easily be processed lowest to highest, which wil= l tend to address your problem because...

  1. in the lossless case, there is only one block anyway.
  2. If the ACK only advertises one new gap, the earlier blocks hav= e presumably been wiped out from your packet queue anyway.

I confess that the situation where there are large numbers of lost packe= ts to travers in the queue could be suboptimal. One can solve this by keepi= ng lost packets in a separate queue, or keeping a pointer to the first pack= et not declared lost.

Ascending order really shines when an ACK frame reports multiple new= packet gaps. I'm not sure how to trade that off against the other con= siderations.

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@martin= duke both of your reasons for saying that a block can be process easily= from lowest to highest assumes little to no packet loss. We cannot make th= at assumption. We have to design for the most common case, which would assu= me packet loss. Also, in both your scenarios, ascending order processing ti= me would be equal to descending order; but those are the only cases where that would be the case. In all other cases= processing in descending order is a more expensive operation than processi= ng in ascending order.

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= ----==_mimepart_5a2acfc1bb933_5eb33fd94388cf28626eb-- From nobody Fri Dec 8 10:00:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E71126E3A for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 10:00:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x-i_g4DWtWtl for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 10:00:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DCBB126DFB for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 10:00:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2017 10:00:49 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1512756049; bh=ldkHJVauOyBsioSf+te27FESaIZ5Q2uIQyFCnopf9ao=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=W2sKZWy6r0ySPe8d8P6+gQgQTY/DSa3ywCli2OZIzhs09WGh4TQOIWTmo7TU/sHNL Bie8/MCiaWSgr7lqreJiLdWq91a6+l1IgAgYd1LR4LKVgFqEJp4v52QrSztewCEbaD 8ElBJDu1chy3cLzppjc/2e3ULS+tzGPsF6C721LA= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK Frames should be in Increasing Packet Number Order (#969) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a2ad35126b44_60f83fbefe750f382305e3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2017 18:00:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a2ad35126b44_60f83fbefe750f382305e3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know that heavy, non-bursty packet loss is the common case. Anyway, the increased processing expense is offset by lower cost generation of ACK frames. With ascending, I have to figure out the full size of the acknowledgment, start deleting blocks from the top if oversize, and then write into the packet. This is just about as complex as, on processing, reading all the information in the ACK into memory and then deleting packets from the queue. If you take that approach, it's trivial to start from the lowest number. Indeed, it would be straightforward to execute this approach only if block_count is large. To summarize: Descending: Low-cost generation; high-cost processing under the conditions where ACKs report multiple new gaps . Ascending: High-cost generation, low-cost processing. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/969#issuecomment-350330147 ----==_mimepart_5a2ad35126b44_60f83fbefe750f382305e3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't know that heavy, non-bursty packet loss is the common case.

Anyway, the increased processing expense is offset by lower cost gener= ation of ACK frames. With ascending, I have to figure out the full size o= f the acknowledgment, start deleting blocks from the top if oversize, and= then write into the packet.

This is just about as complex as, on processing, reading all the infor= mation in the ACK into memory and then deleting packets from the queue. I= f you take that approach, it's trivial to start from the lowest number. I= ndeed, it would be straightforward to execute this approach only if block= _count is large.

To summarize:
Descending: Low-cost generation; high-cost processing under the condition= s where ACKs report multiple new gaps .

Ascending: High-cost generation, low-cost processing.

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I suspect this would be valuable. I tend to think it'd be better as a= separate doc, since it hopefully will have little relevance by the time = QUIC v2 comes around, but it could also just be removed in the v2 transpo= rt doc.

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I think there are ways to make the processing low cost for descending as= well.

I'm working on an implementation that I believe would have identical per= formance in both directions. It's sort of on the back burner, but I can tr= y to finish it soon so it's available in Chromium for people to take a look= at?

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@ianswett I look forward to your proposal.

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That's how the static table and Huffman table for HPACK were generated -- statistics of common values and character frequency in Chrome. Obviously, some things have shifted since then.

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----==_mimepart_5a2b229de2e72_287c3f7fbcc02f3031531f-- From nobody Fri Dec 8 15:49:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B65120227 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 15:49:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1H44ngesiOzR for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 15:49:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 463581200CF for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 15:49:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=3WsQOPAlwg+MYbmNTZ5T1VX6a1w=; b=DPa32AAFdaj1yvo5 Oa0vGt14q1/MwcXDv9kh5JuPUCNZUuAlI/JgcL5wRXO+2yyqK/8+Ri3T6yPJ7wKy 58WHGe2Pl4cuHmrYsW/itAvAM6+xUsaiJOe37NJKTWyOoK/D6MChswWaCTnSRWLa UwmuDeZixagaDjEEUP3PvDi+gm4= Received: by filter1232p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1232p1mdw1-5399-5A2B2523-F 2017-12-08 23:49:55.242586103 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 74mIap_nRbya5R_E7jHqwA for ; Fri, 08 Dec 2017 23:49:55.209 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2017 23:49:55 +0000 (UTC) From: Patrick McManus Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] varint packet numbers (#989) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a2b2523222fa_28943f7fbcc02f3032438d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mcmanus X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak14jN7rqNNV+6Ihw6k2E8zZKLkIeG+8OYl5zQ UchvZhr8+v7/vCHkQejUmblPM2S5WCE0yOUR2NUCtuHF2s+JidKGobZPEmQUGNZzTcwjME2RGBDhXK CMnaW/gujn+XldFm8RB8lk0GsgKEIAuDLT+Y+zxEa8qORVrsrWpA/CKJsp/FIPe17XDiumpSw3215G 8= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2017 23:49:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a2b2523222fa_28943f7fbcc02f3032438d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > If we have varint packet numbers in the header, then we can do 'random' packet numbers only within a single byte, instead of the current 4 bytes of randomness, which I think achieves both greasing and low byte overhead. its pretty obvious looking at 08 logs that we are currently using a lot of 8 byte varints in acks on trivially short connections. 3/4 of initial packet numbers require them immediately. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/989#issuecomment-350401124 ----==_mimepart_5a2b2523222fa_28943f7fbcc02f3032438d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If we have varint packet numbers in the header, then we can do 'random' = packet numbers only within a single byte, instead of the current 4 bytes of= randomness, which I think achieves both greasing and low byte overhead.

its pretty obvious looking at 08 logs that we are currently using a lot = of 8 byte varints in acks on trivially short connections. 3/4 of initial pa= cket numbers require them immediately.

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= ----==_mimepart_5a2b2abcb1293_9773fee98728f281226eb-- From nobody Fri Dec 8 18:20:46 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24BA5127869 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 18:20:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.595 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.595 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lLz-g3zISNJg for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 18:20:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext7.iad.github.net [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D91C126D46 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 18:20:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2017 18:20:41 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1512786041; bh=q2WihSAl0pCDd5Rav85o18LMUymPBKuWWOrRUYKofGs=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=HWLl2/RetppFyryNjGC4V5Vkz87KuRaQJtqyS1Tb8iJfnhl5YLVJfITuGHNiy8iNV /dmfRs2uPi7FDBkJqS1hbPolw61rrWkE+sGM3DZffxnSGSb1Ea8ljCegc+JKv3VPpe kKJ5mQz4vn71qFiXchj9VWpfE26aWkHiY3fdG4+o= From: Patrick McManus Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Parsing Ack Delay without ack_delay_exponent (#1007) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a2b487985300_bb33f8c45852f304905f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mcmanus X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 02:20:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a2b487985300_bb33f8c45852f304905f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Once the TLS handshake is complete, this is indicated to QUIC along with any final handshake octets that TLS needs to send. TLS also provides QUIC with the transport parameters that the peer advertised during the handshake. Unfortunately Handshake (and Retry) packets can contain ACK frames and be delivered before the transport parameters are provided to QUIC. The ack delay field of the ACK frame cannot be interpreted without the ack_delay_exponent from the transport parameters. This brings back memories of flow control and stream 0. There are several ways to resolve this, but I'll suggest that non protected packets that contain ACK frames are always encoded with the default ack_delay_exponent. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1007 ----==_mimepart_5a2b487985300_bb33f8c45852f304905f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Once the TLS handshake is complete, this is indicated to QUIC along with any final handshake octets that TLS needs to send. TLS also provides QUIC with the transport parameters that the peer advertised during the handshake.

Unfortunately Handshake (and Retry) packets can contain ACK frames and be delivered before the transport parameters are provided to QUIC. The ack delay field of the ACK frame cannot be interpreted without the ack_delay_exponent from the transport parameters. This brings back memories of flow control and stream 0.

There are several ways to resolve this, but I'll suggest that non protected packets that contain ACK frames are always encoded with the default ack_delay_exponent.

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Agreed, and I might expand that to include 0RTT packets.

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Cleartext, yes, defaults.

The problem with 0-RTT is that it uses transport parameters from the t= icket or previous session. We might want to consistently apply transport= parameters, rather than mix and match.

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= ----==_mimepart_5a2da35a2e809_69653fd9ffcb8f2c11497c6-- From nobody Sun Dec 10 16:17:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB733126DCA for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 16:17:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cQ4egK3FV7Kj for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 16:17:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E388B124207 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 16:17:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=f9hiZ6gkCv7BNr8WJgp1cEsYipI=; b=hie0PlOwlvfDkBrT iszL9Wxxss5fKCtcuf64htslI6O1SAjF6tEJylSVLFSwolwX1BltfgnzcyTqU9Nd zLAyymRltpkK/Wv1FJTVvZfYRrebwSZGE/YCFkoTEs6F+lCIaWQIVsHxWU0SrHtu omOO83nUtwAXjpV03Nb1xu4KMKo= Received: by filter1095p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1095p1mdw1-13004-5A2DCE9A-25 2017-12-11 00:17:31.00238534 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0010p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 3WSB4r50SLOam6OlLxvu-w for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 00:17:31.049 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 00:17:31 +0000 (UTC) From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP header compression: static table fit for QUIC (#904) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a2dce9ad265b_14ba3faf4f8c6f34123328f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1EPmfuvytZgfVujD6iJ7CgsU4Ug1Fti4byim Qx/hPVFU3k+YlhqqBDpDCW9J+wvBxgfBeCajrhyS2y1XOzRfVHm4AYGg/Y5yVAY2WE/IjZluRUiSP2 KWDkdwPisWe+Q2OafxqtmZK5FDjKp+ktL+HJ1p4prs33rL2Zh9b3DpnIbp9B5ppRm716KbzioHQmWB 8= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 00:17:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a2dce9ad265b_14ba3faf4f8c6f34123328f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wishful thinking hat on: I'd love to see a means for per-session static table ( i.e. an immutable table negotiated on start up). The flexibility could vary from completely user-defined, to pre-defined tables that exist in a spec (e.g. "legacy HPACK" and "future compressor"). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/904#issuecomment-350594341 ----==_mimepart_5a2dce9ad265b_14ba3faf4f8c6f34123328f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Wishful thinking hat on: I'd love to see a means for per-session static = table ( i.e. an immutable table negotiated on start up). The flexibility co= uld vary from completely user-defined, to pre-defined tables that exist in = a spec (e.g. "legacy HPACK" and "future compressor").

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boundary="--==_mimepart_5a2e2244ea591_66e83fcb19c02f28399471f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: afrind X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0Scuer0k4adw0nSQj7JnxvMIWx06Gp4/xL2d Lpj+Upf2THX49CPHeNrzOT1xCI39D6cwc+Wq/KCTX3eC6YtgoP688UWvmgys6csllETJ02bKnkPNfx JoPVfqlf9ibbeaM1PZpgC6CczZR+pU9GX18P6NDeav41nX9X3VqXMoIk8g== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 06:14:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a2e2244ea591_66e83fcb19c02f28399471f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The basic idea was to allow the encoder to include compression instructions in the SETTINGS frame, and require the SETTINGS frame to be processed before any request streams (it already must be processed before responses are sent). If the HoL blocking seems onerous,we could add a transport parameter to the handshake 'MUST_PROCESS_SETTINGS' telling the peer if HoL blocking is required. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/904#issuecomment-350631710 ----==_mimepart_5a2e2244ea591_66e83fcb19c02f28399471f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The basic idea was to allow the encoder to include compression instructi= ons in the SETTINGS frame, and require the SETTINGS frame to be processed b= efore any request streams (it already must be processed before responses ar= e sent). If the HoL blocking seems onerous,we could add a transport parame= ter to the handshake 'MUST_PROCESS_SETTINGS' telling the peer if HoL blocki= ng is required.

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= ----==_mimepart_5a2e2244ea591_66e83fcb19c02f28399471f-- From nobody Mon Dec 11 05:25:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A902C12422F for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 05:25:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pwlLTcrMFUob for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 05:25:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext4.iad.github.net [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D0DD126D3F for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 05:24:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 05:24:57 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1512998697; bh=5/QNzeF2wbbp9ifOEoN24b/QQxkaecgSRU9cFYLtBGE=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=L+vrMrEqApaFtiT+nzhw8Ply269Cd8ty3Ct6oP/8cNVZgElbrmdpNOP/voQErbNox tupCxrt1FTH3zaltAtd7VrlBZRFnx6133R7gJDG4rToTVMajbZ9SUCoXOLyZ213/Ns L0T+b9NbPw834GtAy0XkYedv/S93oizbQ/PW0IfM= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP header compression: static table fit for QUIC (#904) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a2e8729bdfd5_4fb03fc1d33c2f38877a1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 13:25:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a2e8729bdfd5_4fb03fc1d33c2f38877a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I was also wondering if something like a HTTP archive query might be able to bring up some useful data. So I had a look at the archive and hit a learning curve. A plea for help got me a great answer from @paulcavano - https://discuss.httparchive.org/t/is-hpack-static-table-fit-for-todays-web/1177/5 The results are calculated over a subset of the available data. I'd like to do some further analysis. Interestingly, in spite of [Deprecating the "X-" Prefix and Similar Constructs in Application Protocols](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6648), there are lots of instance of "X-" prefix. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/904#issuecomment-350723138 ----==_mimepart_5a2e8729bdfd5_4fb03fc1d33c2f38877a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I was also wondering if something like a HTTP archive query might be a= ble to bring up some useful data.

So I had a look at the archive and hit a learning curve. A plea for he= lp got me a great answer from @paulcavano - https://discuss.httparchive.org/t/is-hpack-static-table-fit-for-= todays-web/1177/5

The results are calculated over a subset of the available data. I'd li= ke to do some further analysis.

Interestingly, in spite of Deprecating the "X-" Prefix and Similar Constructs = in Application Protocols, there are lots of instance of "X-" prefix.<= /p>

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In figure fig-stream-send-states:

"Application Open" appears only in this figure, may be it should be defined somewhere.

Also "Open unidirectional stream" should change to the state "Open" for the sender stream states.

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It could be created with a DFA such that looking up the next char would = either give a final value, or ask for one more making the encoding. Possibl= y using something like:
http://iis.ipipan.waw.pl/2008/proceedings/iis08-22.pdf
But the actual encoder/decoder would just simple lookups.

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= ----==_mimepart_5a2ea1cde0972_d0e3ff1fdb9cf382138171-- From nobody Mon Dec 11 08:49:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 770BD1270A3 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 08:49:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2UUYeno8Hss1 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 08:49:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9C2C1271FD for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 08:49:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 08:49:16 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1513010956; bh=7rlQb5GhDSoc7a6i8p5Du2Sih6cxDlKX7R5FdEKAy6s=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=WvbDcmF8+HnkD4+Hrdrq1rrBVkSwwEcriEJ7O9XDe5mvWAOqqOdOhIAezwKqSlJE9 zJjYruJ9b5RlwqJDbN/+/n2NnhXN7gr6mq6dP5r1Wg8eXyiqY5NuzwrpIYoSsp40Kc W0mNqD2EdglJtAwN4/vmE5eC745ae0h5FB8fUjV8= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP header compression: static table fit for QUIC (#904) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a2eb70cea1ce_33453fde74240f302528de"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:49:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a2eb70cea1ce_33453fde74240f302528de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Given a standard DFA algorithm it ought to be possible negotiate a list of words. Such a list could be identified by a SHA256 hash. This would allow total freedom of dictionary choice as long as both parties agree. The DFA encoding would use 1 bit for each step through the DFA resulting in a bit pattern similar to huffman. This can be combined with basic huffman encoding. A special code, such as a 1-bit prefix, activates the word DFA. If the huffman table also has code for termination then the length need not be carried. A static dictionary could also be negotiated via a SHA256 of the sorted list of strings. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/904#issuecomment-350783786 ----==_mimepart_5a2eb70cea1ce_33453fde74240f302528de Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Given a standard DFA algorithm it ought to be possible negotiate a lis= t of words. Such a list could be identified by a SHA256 hash. This would = allow total freedom of dictionary choice as long as both parties agree. T= he DFA encoding would use 1 bit for each step through the DFA resulting i= n a bit pattern similar to huffman.

This can be combined with basic huffman encoding. A special code, such= as a 1-bit prefix, activates the word DFA. If the huffman table also has= code for termination then the length need not be carried.

A static dictionary could also be negotiated via a SHA256 of the sorte= d list of strings.

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This doesn't say anything about 0-RTT because I didn't want to put any extra rules around this. This should be covered amply by other rules about transport parameters. Closes #1007. ----==_mimepart_5a2eb83a65177_66372b1797fe3c04118854-- From nobody Mon Dec 11 08:55:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC46127136 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 08:55:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ne4k3MqU8nWp for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 08:55:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5FF8126DEE for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 08:55:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 08:55:24 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1513011324; bh=ZT0J9e0tU57w3v4fjlopA6860QHzKslgcGISA5nKDuk=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lX944+/trCdWoTkqOiD3JatDvn9RfO1pE/O0CfLpNGNr5K3jTDsY1gsW7CIa8YvzN 6fQUEMN0NVPEaX4lpjc20huJzDnzWt0oy2VpOcyG7sFysE2SETtXdQ1S0HL0hV8bZ3 +16qf4Vlre7yTyl6KNOiyIZ235aKAKUL7pHOZzPc= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Use default ack_delay_exponent during handshake (#1009) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a2eb87c196b3_45293ff7a7ebaf305054d6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:55:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a2eb87c196b3_45293ff7a7ebaf305054d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This makes it clear what the rules are for Initial, Handshake, and Retry packets for ACK frames. This doesn't say anything about 0-RTT because I didn't want to put any extra rules around this. This should be covered amply by other rules about transport parameters. Closes #1007. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1009 -- Commit Summary -- * Use default ack_delay_exponent during handshake -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (5) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1009.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1009.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1009 ----==_mimepart_5a2eb87c196b3_45293ff7a7ebaf305054d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This makes it clear what the rules are for Initial, Handshake, and Retry
packets for ACK frames.

This doesn't say anything about 0-RTT because I didn't want to put any
extra rules around this. This should be covered amply by other rules
about transport parameters.

Closes #1007.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1009

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  • Use default ack_delay_exponent during handshake

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First off, this ticket risks exposing or deep diving into work-in-prog= ress of the compression design team. I'd like to avoid doing that too ear= ly, so please someone weigh in if we think it might be better to hold off= .

@afrind I don't quite follow from your brief summary. What is an appropriate m= oniker for the table resulting from compression encoding negoition? Does = your idea apply symmetrically or could there be different header tables c= ontexts for client and server?

The main use case I have is the unidirectional HTTP case, where SETTIN= GS cannot be exchanged. I've used Alt-Svc parameters to articulate most c= onnection-level settings and wonder if such proposed compression instruct= ions could also be articulated as an Alt-Svc parameter.

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@LPardue : Sorry for the confusion, I will write up the idea formally. The goal I had in mind was seeding the dynamic table once at the beginning of the connection.

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----==_mimepart_5a2ebf7de1375_36b63f7efa736f2839291c-- From nobody Mon Dec 11 09:35:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB8B21270A3 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 09:35:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J5sDb7b_lDu4 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 09:35:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D85E124E15 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 09:35:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 09:35:50 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1513013750; bh=QtRxfU5aNHra0LduOhDhP3QhpMXMbQqbRLCHvG6jKxU=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=YtKv9C6Cawn7un3CPhyAzBfNs1HXD4AxUeMZcscvnyMppGRLCxSGSfMuUvi6L+rRQ sQve/No6F/gd6Xe0PUfFr4KSdCkfM5kOD14HSr4r1/qtVwe76/pDS8bjuvkOoA4v+f jn2kC8CUoL85L/OWIA47F2o8CH0MpywaREkvzv7M= From: Subodh Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK Frames should be in Increasing Packet Number Order (#969) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a2ec1f627c19_78833faf3d2f8f381178ac"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: siyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 17:35:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a2ec1f627c19_78833faf3d2f8f381178ac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did some quic (sorry for the pun) back of the envelope calculations on the 2 different approaches if you want to iterate while parsing, which I think is not really necessary. Descending order algorithm: ``` let outstanding -> rb tree, deque / vector of packets in ascending order of packetnum let m -> num of frames in ack frame let n -> num of outstanding packets auto matchEnd = outstanding.end; for (all frame in ackframe descending order) { auto matchedIt = search_for_first_packet_not_less_than(frame.start, outstanding.start, outstanding.end); if (matchedIt == end) { continue; } matchEnd = matchedIt; while (matchedIt != outstanding.end) { if (matchedIt.start >= frame.start and matchedIt.end <= frame.end) { ack(); } else { break; } matchedIt++; } } ``` assuming the search complexity is log n the worst complexity would probably be: ``` (m * log n ) | (min(m, n) + min(m, n) log n) (1) If m >> n, then an attacker would try to make all the blocks not match in which case you would get m log n (2) If n >> m then an attacker would have greatest advantage by making only 1 block match per frame, to get you do the max number of search operations, however it is still bounded by m or n However in case (2) the attacker could not exceed m. so the complexity is actually m * log n ``` The alternative approach of ascending is ``` matchStart = outstanding.start for (all frame in ascending order) { auto matchedIt = search_for_first_packet_not_less_than(frame.start, matchStart, outstanding.end); if (matchedIt == end) { break; } matchStart = matchedIt; while (matchedIt != outstanding.end) { if (matchedIt.start >= frame.start and matchedIt.end <= frame.end) { ack(); } else { break; } matchedIt++; } } ``` This seems to be the same worst case complexity, so both approaches have similar DoS capabilities however the best case complexity is better since you can exit early with ascending Practically though I don't think this is a big deal implementations will have multiple layers in the code, one which parses the data into an in memory frame structure after which you can use either an ascending or descending algorithm. For example even with an ascending data structure in the ACK frame you still need to incur high cost again, because you need to know the largest acked packet for loss detection in the case of time based loss detection as well as early retransmit timers which involves iterating over the outstanding packets again, which is much better to do if you can iterate over the frames just once which you can do if you pre-parse the entire data structure into memory. I would rather make it easier to serialize data into the packet so that senders of ACKs will do the right thing of prioritizing ACKing larger packets over optimizing streaming parsing. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/969#issuecomment-350798049 ----==_mimepart_5a2ec1f627c19_78833faf3d2f8f381178ac Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Did some quic (sorry for the pun) back of the envelope calculations on= the 2 different approaches if you want to iterate while parsing, which I= think is not really necessary.

Descending order algorithm:

let outstanding -> rb tree, deque / vector of packets in as=
cending order of packetnum
let m -> num of frames in ack frame
let n -> num of outstanding packets

auto matchEnd =3D outstanding.end;
for (all frame in ackframe descending order) {
  auto matchedIt =3D search_for_first_packet_not_less_than(frame.start, o=
utstanding.start, outstanding.end); =

  if (matchedIt =3D=3D end) {
    continue;
  }
  matchEnd =3D matchedIt;
  while (matchedIt !=3D outstanding.end) {
    if (matchedIt.start >=3D frame.start and matchedIt.end <=3D fra=
me.end) {
	   ack();
	} else {
	  break;
	}
	matchedIt++;
  }
}

assuming the search complexity is log n

the worst complexity would probably be:

(m  * log n ) | (min(m, n) + min(m, n) log n)

(1) If m >> n, then an attacker would try to make all the blocks no=
t match in which case you would get m log n
(2) If n >> m then an attacker would have greatest advantage by mak=
ing only 1 block match per frame, to get you do the max number of search =
operations, however it is still bounded by m or n

However in case (2) the attacker could not exceed m.
so the complexity is actually

m * log n

The alternative approach of ascending is

matchStart =3D outstanding.start
for (all frame in ascending order) {
  auto matchedIt =3D search_for_first_packet_not_less_than(frame.start, m=
atchStart, outstanding.end); =

  if (matchedIt =3D=3D end) {
    break;
  }
  matchStart =3D matchedIt;
  while (matchedIt !=3D outstanding.end) {
    if (matchedIt.start >=3D frame.start and matchedIt.end <=3D fra=
me.end) {
	   ack();
	} else {
	  break;
	}
	matchedIt++;
  }
}

This seems to be the same worst case complexity, so both approaches ha= ve similar DoS capabilities however the best case complexity is better si= nce you can exit early with ascending

Practically though I don't think this is a big deal implementations wi= ll have multiple layers in the code, one which parses the data into an in= memory frame structure after which you can use either an ascending or de= scending algorithm.

For example even with an ascending data structure in the ACK frame you= still need to incur high cost again, because you need to know the larges= t acked packet for loss detection in the case of time based loss detectio= n as well as early retransmit timers which involves iterating over the ou= tstanding packets again, which is much better to do if you can iterate ov= er the frames just once which you can do if you pre-parse the entire data= structure into memory.

I would rather make it easier to serialize data into the packet so tha= t senders of ACKs will do the right thing of prioritizing ACKing larger p= ackets over optimizing streaming parsing.

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Good input.

Some concerns: assuming you have descending order in frame. If you can= seek to the end then process in ascending order, this is probably fine. = But if you cannot, you either rely on assumptions about log N handling, o= r you must allocate a temporary data structure. Earlier there was a limit= on 256 entries but this limit is gone. The sender knowns how many entrie= s it creates and can easily keep number of entries below a limit. The rec= eiver can't. Especially if it must expect very large MTU.

The receiver also do not control the frequence of ACK frames and hence= the amount of resources to dedicate while the sender does. The sender is= also the one that can do DoS.

As to the log N assumption, that doesn't work if you use a bitmap scan= . A bitmap scan is resistant to DoS because it is O(N). Since packets now= are in incremental order, this is a practical approach.

Scanning the bitmap from most recent to older probably has a number of= problems that I currently do not recall. Generally you want to work with= the oldest packet first.

I can see the idea of building in descending order but you can do two = passes to compute the size and then build ascending.

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There also ought to be a requirement that if there are multiple ACK fram= es in a packet, they must be in ascending order, which of course puts even = more strain on the sender, but it is for the same reason. It is simpler to = require that there is at most one ACK frame per packet.

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ok cool, I've had some half-baked ideas on that topic. Look forward to something a bit more tangible.

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----==_mimepart_5a2ec8eea94c6_15d4a3f7fa8918f2c1442d3-- From nobody Mon Dec 11 10:20:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B3512869B for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 10:20:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ba17MiT5Xf55 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 10:20:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76CB9127B57 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 10:20:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 10:20:47 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1513016447; bh=jubjyfoykSYnvFgpBeF2/L/IgyGOcWa+FGxvdxpIhkc=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=jDy82fNb/+mbGMU89ZyFXKtUVV8FXtRjKhRvvbab5nZC9Xrf9VUy1ilDdgWZff8aE MQvhTXNvHTZS5a1hEbd/l8xeaOBOPGmmUpGjlkDhBcGYC3XstfwHn8eHDqD4es/m9w IXKvJ7TEbanxqIIxupEx4WJbcHzavI7QH0qfL0kU= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP header compression: static table fit for QUIC (#904) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a2ecc7f7bafd_34ee3f8271600f301291a5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 18:20:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a2ecc7f7bafd_34ee3f8271600f301291a5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The QPACK editor's copy incorporates Alan's idea along with a few others. Basically, it's just a series of updates that are guaranteed to have been processed prior to any of your requests, so you can reference them without risk of blocking. If the decompressor supports blocking anyway, it may be negligible, but it's a simpler model to get good initial performance even if the decompressor won't support blocking in the general case. As to the design team, my hope is that we bring a starting point for header compression back to the working group by Melbourne, and the working group can iterate further from there. Since the concept of a static table is common to most of the proposals at this point, I'd prefer to leave refining the contents of that table to the "iteration" stage. The discussion can happen in parallel if you want, but don't expect to see action on that until we have a single scheme that we're all moving forward with. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/904#issuecomment-350811497 ----==_mimepart_5a2ecc7f7bafd_34ee3f8271600f301291a5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The QPACK editor's copy incorporates Alan's idea along with a few othe= rs. Basically, it's just a series of updates that are guaranteed to have= been processed prior to any of your requests, so you can reference them = without risk of blocking. If the decompressor supports blocking anyway, = it may be negligible, but it's a simpler model to get good initial perfor= mance even if the decompressor won't support blocking in the general case= .

As to the design team, my hope is that we bring a starting point for h= eader compression back to the working group by Melbourne, and the working= group can iterate further from there. Since the concept of a static tab= le is common to most of the proposals at this point, I'd prefer to leave = refining the contents of that table to the "iteration" stage. The discus= sion can happen in parallel if you want, but don't expect to see action o= n that until we have a single scheme that we're all moving forward with.<= /p>

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I don't see a reason at the moment to have two ACK frames per packet (es= pecially with the varint representations). That said, I don't see this perf= issue as a reason to require it... we can certainly recommend it strongly = (SHOULD).

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----==_mimepart_5a2ed7bfa4496_5b243fd0d762ef3434448d-- From nobody Mon Dec 11 11:25:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1855D126DD9 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 11:25:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e2TU6xhNWspo for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 11:25:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from m69-170.mailgun.net (m69-170.mailgun.net [166.78.69.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C1BB124D68 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 11:25:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1513020323; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=9ONgLCLE/ktu7TAaMeQXmwvFSBG1fuByOGPIOMALtDc=; b=D4tgYP1hjHqUGicu7XaEau/wsaZI8BPMFSR86q19AYogKpDhgBGrwuD6StwGZJq2K4HQ118r 2CH3qrjCwmkijwcFHn/HV6tp6E6jjGhC69u4C8kBOmAK/aPFmWpbj9SEmeFvZreXgBh9WqGL SJcMm6Jfp3TkNSMJCPp1XwlVTjY= X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.170 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.36]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5a2edba3.7efc340378a0-smtp-out-n01; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 19:25:23 -0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 11:25:22 -0800 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5a2edba291d12_58ba2b11bf963c18361d5@hookshot-fe-6b2eebc.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] f0748b: Use default ack_delay_exponent during handshake Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a2edba291945_58ba2b11bf963c1836051"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 19:25:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a2edba291945_58ba2b11bf963c1836051 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: f0748bdcff5c6354192c6b3944ad0d637d20e640 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f0748bdcff5c6354192c6b3944ad0d637d20e640 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-12-11 (Mon, 11 Dec 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Use default ack_delay_exponent during handshake This makes it clear what the rules are for Initial, Handshake, and Retry packets for ACK frames. This doesn't say anything about 0-RTT because I didn't want to put any extra rules around this. This should be covered amply by other rules about transport parameters. Closes #1007. Commit: 32b8de3b9cf5a79abdbb439b2349b8fe7c5081f3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/32b8de3b9cf5a79abdbb439b2349b8fe7c5081f3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-12-12 (Tue, 12 Dec 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1009 from quicwg/ack_delay_exponent-cleartext Use default ack_delay_exponent during handshake Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/570cab87fe23...32b8de3b9cf5 ----==_mimepart_5a2edba291945_58ba2b11bf963c1836051-- From nobody Mon Dec 11 11:25:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B5B1288B8 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 11:25:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CH-152jMgY3x for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 11:25:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext4.iad.github.net [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB820124D68 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 11:25:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 11:25:26 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1513020326; bh=ulScKMJKNft0f7NFFqSvyquNyVZdG1HHFED8cr6gRKo=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VfAdAPwpKFKl9uTTfViRSDZTqvgYjSsA0Lj2xhtjomZI4ij4vRuulX/N1uZ46Tq9K yIfhOLIvdtQgDEVux5kUttd8hXvcNDK8lJiWNDbfIkcBrPBBrlwA20YFSwrOXw5reb MFWL2tf9qVpo0OHND8syTJVfC6rOIQ+0GLEpdzJk= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Parsing Ack Delay without ack_delay_exponent (#1007) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a2edba63e18b_72403fa9cc796f34178749"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 19:25:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a2edba63e18b_72403fa9cc796f34178749 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #1007 via #1009. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Merged #1009.

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If there is a MUST, the receiver can have an implementation that takes= an ACK frame, makes conclusion on age and time, and do updates. With SHO= ULD, it needs to add additional complexity to manage information from bot= h frames, even if a second frame is rare. Granted, the ACK frame must be = parced once to validate the packet, but it is still simpler with at most = one.

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The receiver doesn't need to do any ack info aggregation per packet. Just treat it like two separate ACK frames were received.

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OK, that simplifies things.

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----==_mimepart_5a2edd5d6526b_28a03f997e948f34651c-- From nobody Mon Dec 11 12:09:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D515D12741D for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 12:08:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9uQAq3Iisc9e for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 12:08:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB28F127077 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 12:08:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 12:08:57 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1513022937; bh=b3sf3GIpODou+StTolWdRm/JmFW5XU04GmA8SHLAOME=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=SFAd/5Nfbr+/4ol1gvtVvaBwcN0WoNPmKwhxjkfUOY4zs2hAErzjsStCA7zbZb9YS dAnL/yRdcLxt0m+YOckXdeR+yfv9Qb5FmjJm90nBwIQsNKqCTGGsj46PRuKPPwZwki pOheKB/WBpa5hVVHDgMndPX3s3pb4Lk9bEiX84/8= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK Frames should be in Increasing Packet Number Order (#969) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a2ee5d928618_dce13fe251c7ef34904f0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:09:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a2ee5d928618_dce13fe251c7ef34904f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @siyengar Thanks for the write up. I can agree with most of what you wrote except: > Practically though I don't think this is a big deal implementations will have multiple layers in the code, one which parses the data into an in memory frame structure after which you can use either an ascending or descending algorithm. There is no reason to require an implementation to use any structure other than the wire format. Why can't it process the packet directly? As far as the complexity of each design, I agree they can essentially have the same worst case, but then our decision should be based on the common case. Generally, ACKs will be received for the oldest outstanding packets, correct? And if the oldest packet number ACKed in an ACK frame is significantly newer than your oldest outstanding packet, then you will be throwing (mark as lost) that old packet out anyways. If you use ascending order then you could rely exclusively on a linear walk of your outstanding packets, starting at the beginning. For each packet in your list the packet, that is less than the min of the current ACK block, it will either be ACKed or lost (for the most part). Once you get to the last packet number being ACKed in the frame, you stop walking the list. Your worst case then is a single ACK block that ACKs your most recent packet; but in that case, it would likely cause you to throw away all your older packets anyways, which require you to walk the entire list. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/969#issuecomment-350842888 ----==_mimepart_5a2ee5d928618_dce13fe251c7ef34904f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@siyeng= ar Thanks for the write up. I can agree with most of what you wrote e= xcept:

Practically though I don't think this is a big deal implementations wi= ll have multiple layers in the code, one which parses the data into an in= memory frame structure after which you can use either an ascending or de= scending algorithm.

There is no reason to require an implementation to use any structure o= ther than the wire format. Why can't it process the packet directly?

As far as the complexity of each design, I agree they can essentially = have the same worst case, but then our decision should be based on the co= mmon case. Generally, ACKs will be received for the oldest outstanding pa= ckets, correct? And if the oldest packet number ACKed in an ACK frame is = significantly newer than your oldest outstanding packet, then you will be= throwing (mark as lost) that old packet out anyways.

If you use ascending order then you could rely exclusively on a linear= walk of your outstanding packets, starting at the beginning. For each pa= cket in your list the packet, that is less than the min of the current AC= K block, it will either be ACKed or lost (for the most part). Once you ge= t to the last packet number being ACKed in the frame, you stop walking th= e list.

Your worst case then is a single ACK block that ACKs your most recent = packet; but in that case, it would likely cause you to throw away all you= r older packets anyways, which require you to walk the entire list.

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Various dictionaries define "igominous" as shameful or disgraceful, which is a bit harsh :-) Nevertheless, indifference to the passage of this benchmark is welcome.

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For example the for loop could just be an iterator adapter in C++ that lazily processes packets. There are just tradeoffs with both approaches and I was just trying to point out the tradeoffs. > Generally, ACKs will be received for the oldest outstanding packets, correct? In the common case the ACK would be received for the most recently received packet first. Quic's loss detection algorithms rely on the sender prioritizing ACKing higher packets first for example for stuff like TLP or RTO to work correctly. A descending first algorithm kind of makes this feel more natural to to serialize packets correctly. Even if you use ascending order with streaming parsing you'd have to probably iterate over the packets again anyway after you're done processing the acks. There are 2 types of loss detection in QUIC. For timer based loss detection you'd have to know what the largest acked packet is before triggering it on all the packets. Even for packet order based loss detection you probably need to iterate over most of the packets in the common case because there is no guarantee given acked packet n, packets below it are less than n - kReorderingThreshold, I haven't worked out the algorithmic details for that yet and we might be able to make this more efficient by caching the minOutstandingPacketNumber, but I don't think that will change the complexity analysis. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/969#issuecomment-350879570 ----==_mimepart_5a2f06b222e99_9d83fcd2730cf30720786 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@nibanks I agree with you, there is no reason for an implementation to require an= y structure other than a wire format. For example the for loop could just b= e an iterator adapter in C++ that lazily processes packets. There are just = tradeoffs with both approaches and I was just trying to point out the trade= offs.

Generally, ACKs will be received for the oldest outstanding packets, cor= rect?

In the common case the ACK would be received for the most recently rece= ived packet first. Quic's loss detection algorithms rely on the sender prio= ritizing ACKing higher packets first for example for stuff like TLP or RTO = to work correctly. A descending first algorithm kind of makes this feel mor= e natural to to serialize packets correctly.

Even if you use ascending order with streaming parsing you'd have to pro= bably iterate over the packets again anyway after you're done processing th= e acks. There are 2 types of loss detection in QUIC. For timer based loss d= etection you'd have to know what the largest acked packet is before trigger= ing it on all the packets. Even for packet order based loss detection you p= robably need to iterate over most of the packets in the common case because= there is no guarantee given acked packet n, packets below it are less than= n - kReorderingThreshold, I haven't worked out the algorithmic details for= that yet and we might be able to make this more efficient by caching the m= inOutstandingPacketNumber, but I don't think that will change the complexit= y analysis.

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Based on implementer input on the slack channel, the general sense seems= to be that folks have implemented the changes this PR reverts, so we aren'= t going to merge this PR. Please note that there's active discussion on the= question of packet types, which continues on #426. Please share further thoughts there.

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Sec 9 should include this, without which the PMTU discovery that happens with client + server handshake packets is not complete.

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SGTM. I agree that HPACK static table is good enough for now, changes ca= n be iterative later on. However, to go back to your earlier point, QPACK w= as suggested to offer the possibility of a much larger static table. If oth= er proposals do not offer such a possibility it might be useful as a compar= ison point.

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There's a memory exhaustion exposure that is generated by header compression if we allow head of line blocking. Head of line blocking means buffering, which is currently not accounted for in the protocol.

We could decide that head of line blocking is not worth the effort, in which this becomes a non-event. We could decide that this is not interesting. Or we could decide to build a mechanism for accounting for the memory cost.

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I would think the memory issue would be dealt with by flow control. I believe that does allow the remote possibility of a connection ending up flow control blocked on HolB data. Is there any other issue?

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----==_mimepart_5a2ffcc4db088_57313fc3f850cf3415981a-- From nobody Tue Dec 12 09:16:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2700C12778E for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 09:16:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zaeM3BNTu3XM for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 09:16:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B0381200FC for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 09:16:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 09:16:12 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1513098972; bh=8pbVwVQ2ZlGYL/bYc0sUN6sAD4fHgYTnUbRd7u9xuWY=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=b6HMWeyrNejHW3d4HYqliVyfqOx8HxqgDNlJBwGed+rhcX25QIRuY5c/iYUbYHP7P xNgT0lhPROZw99bsqjnQ5wD14EUZY859ZjlmYyFywX8xnEvm+voI0D3y0y4bx4dxJf RCDRVA2nlqROvLZbOWheOzk2zqjPi9kv0jEmD+9Y= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK Frames should be in Increasing Packet Number Order (#969) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a300edc6296d_7a113fa3e501ef283489f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 17:16:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a300edc6296d_7a113fa3e501ef283489f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @siyengar I agree that ACKs will be sent for the most recently received packets. But I am assuming that most of the time, all received packets will be able to be ACKed; that most of the time, space won't be an issue and all the ACK blocks will fit. There might be a couple gaps on average (it would be great if someone had some numbers related to the size and consistency of ACK blocks with certain network conditions). So if we assume that generally, all packets received are acknowledged then we are back to my original argument. The oldest packet number in the ACK frame will generally be your oldest outstanding packet (or close to it). So if you process both sets, ACK blocks and outstanding packets, together, in ascending order, you will be able to do a single pass of both and determine if an outstanding packet is ACKed, Lost, or Still Pending. And at most, you will only process your outstanding packet list up to the largest ACKed packet in the ACK frame. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/969#issuecomment-351120309 ----==_mimepart_5a300edc6296d_7a113fa3e501ef283489f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@siyeng= ar I agree that ACKs will be sent for the most recently received pack= ets. But I am assuming that most of the time, all received packets will b= e able to be ACKed; that most of the time, space won't be an issue and al= l the ACK blocks will fit. There might be a couple gaps on average (it wo= uld be great if someone had some numbers related to the size and consiste= ncy of ACK blocks with certain network conditions).

So if we assume that generally, all packets received are acknowledged = then we are back to my original argument. The oldest packet number in the= ACK frame will generally be your oldest outstanding packet (or close to = it). So if you process both sets, ACK blocks and outstanding packets, tog= ether, in ascending order, you will be able to do a single pass of both a= nd determine if an outstanding packet is ACKed, Lost, or Still Pending. A= nd at most, you will only process your outstanding packet list up to the = largest ACKed packet in the ACK frame.

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Flow control can't help here. You don't learn about the head of line = blocking until the application consumes data and then it's out of the rec= eive buffers. You could imagine using peek-style APIs, but I don't think= that it's reasonable to essentially force that on everyone.

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Consider the pathological case where you get a gigantic (e.g. 16KB+) Cookie, lots of other big headers, followed by a blocking reference -- or simply a gap in the stream. You're left holding a mostly-decompressed header set in the HTTP stack, but you can't actually proceed to process the request until you get the last of the headers. An attacker doing that on multiple streams simultaneously could force a server into holding many mostly-complete requests in a state not tracked by flow control (since the HTTP stack already read from the transport). If the header compression scheme can't block, you can mitigate this by not beginning to process the header set until the whole of the HEADERS frame has arrived. That probably means reading enough to find the length of the HEADERS frame, then reading no further until that much data was available to read. In HTTP/2, we mitigated this by requiring header blocks to arrive as a single unit, even if they spanned multiple frames -- no multiplexing within header blocks, so you were never left with more than one partial block at a time. Since the multiplexing is happening below us now, that path is closed. I suspect the most effective mitigation for this is a request timer that requires that time from first byte to end of request headers be something reasonable, and reset the stream if it's exceeded. This is already needed in HTTP/1.1 to protect against slow-loris-style attacks, so it's not new to HTTP stacks. However, that does allow excess consumption of memory up to your maximum header set size per request in the meantime. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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The scenario in which it's not accounted for by flow control is if you b= lock on something toward the end of a header block. Consider the pathologi= cal case where you get a gigantic (e.g. 16KB+) Cookie, lots of other big he= aders, followed by a blocking reference -- or simply a gap in the stream. = You're left holding a mostly-decompressed header set in the HTTP stack, but= you can't actually proceed to process the request until you get the last o= f the headers. An attacker doing that on multiple streams simultaneously c= ould force a server into holding many mostly-complete requests in a state n= ot tracked by flow control (since the HTTP stack already read from the tran= sport).

If the header compression scheme can't block, you can mitigate this by n= ot beginning to process the header set until the whole of the HEADERS frame= has arrived. That probably means reading enough to find the length of the= HEADERS frame, then reading no further until that much data was available = to read.

In HTTP/2, we mitigated this by requiring header blocks to arrive as a s= ingle unit, even if they spanned multiple frames -- no multiplexing within = header blocks, so you were never left with more than one partial block at a= time. Since the multiplexing is happening below us now, that path is clos= ed.

I suspect the most effective mitigation for this is a request timer that= requires that time from first byte to end of request headers be something = reasonable, and reset the stream if it's exceeded. This is already needed = in HTTP/1.1 to protect against slow-loris-style attacks, so it's not new to= HTTP stacks. However, that does allow excess consumption of memory up to = your maximum header set size per request in the meantime.

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Am I correct that this can be further simplified: gigantic headers not = finished, followed by a gap in the stream. If processing of headers isn't= done in streaming fashion, the attacker can force the server into holding = partial requests not tracked by flow control.

Even if one does process headers in streaming fashion, it's arguable tha= t higher level state will likely consume a proportionate amount memory whil= e the stream/transaction remains alive.

At the end of the day, a server might have to make it's own judgement th= at memory is too tight, and take action, e.g. refuse new streams.

There was some discussion way back about stream refusals and the mechani= cs of stream limits. If I recall correctly, we dropped the capability of s= ervers to refuse streams when the stream limits were not exceeded. I thi= nk/thought it was a mistake, exactly because it's an important line of defe= nse to control memory usage. When I asked our server folks if dropping th= e right to refuse was reasonable, their answer was a definite no.

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= ----==_mimepart_5a3035e2cc23c_1dc83fb40f758f3447526f-- From nobody Tue Dec 12 12:13:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D361287A3 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:13:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.018 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.018 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id awiSWop4cb-y for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:13:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD2AE128656 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 12:13:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=cyweTYNgIYj3NNA6Jv8O8+C8Obg=; b=MiLFDgqgsPqefwNr t9rzej1lcR4tu9yAUmSdKQaX5t3HWoPnHK31W0IPAkBJlhJvO1GLQmglRWes9q2e c+WpyzuHopd6vmQe3R6I7ZXvoJ5kJeegi2bGTJX7BzGEg0VkHob6ns97awQOeId2 mC/zKT7qOfTi4Bc7wVOJQRqVS2U= Received: by filter0350p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0350p1las1-14086-5A30384C-B 2017-12-12 20:13:01.01015541 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0006p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id iEr6BGLlRpipJKFKM8bbZA for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 20:13:01.013 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 20:13:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allowing HolB on header compression and DoS (#1011) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a30384cac12e_12f63fc99933cf281354dd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak14ZXTjb4B6vjsmG65NPOp+OPTwLbNzn7/Zdz pH7eWyxbZ2/xcZmsEKsmOPJGyiw88XNq5Z+1f0gEGBZrnMsyULF2cfASNhtlwUunLktidpiMLNHDmx dLo3ry1lKnr88QTxNkdXmsmhAJXqif7tlEFfPy6Lhl8zcsvcRmOUCHtPeRIvBP+m9t1YcfWC6Ydrrd U= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 20:13:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a30384cac12e_12f63fc99933cf281354dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Even if one does process headers in streaming fashion, it's arguable that higher level state will likely consume a proportionate amount memory while the stream/transaction remains alive. I think this is correct. > At the end of the day, a server might have to make it's own judgement that memory is too tight, and take action, e.g. refuse new streams. The problem is that the unfinished header exists somewhere between the transport and the application layers. It is difficult to make judgment there. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1011#issuecomment-351179815 ----==_mimepart_5a30384cac12e_12f63fc99933cf281354dd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Even if one does process headers in streaming fashion, it's arguable tha= t higher level state will likely consume a proportionate amount memory whil= e the stream/transaction remains alive.

I think this is correct.

At the end of the day, a server might have to make it's own judgement th= at memory is too tight, and take action, e.g. refuse new streams.

The problem is that the unfinished header exists somewhere between the t= ransport and the application layers. It is difficult to make judgment ther= e.

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That is in line with similar changes TLS made, so that the number of iterations of the underlying hash function are reduced slightly. QUIC will still run SHA-256 like a bitcoin rig, but this should help some. I've chosen to define the function we use rather than reuse the TLS 1.3 function. It's still the same function, but it now uses a different root label. That should help avoid collisions if QUIC and TLS diverge (though that would be unlikely). The main benefit is in reducing the label length. This also corrects the error in the example. Commit: 7ebcc7a710b574616112f961406e75fb846c131e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7ebcc7a710b574616112f961406e75fb846c131e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-12-08 (Fri, 08 Dec 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- A few consistency fixes Commit: a5d5f94f7ae51e6c522a6ea3d91897caf9366d9d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a5d5f94f7ae51e6c522a6ea3d91897caf9366d9d Author: Sean Turner Date: 2017-12-12 (Tue, 12 Dec 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Commit: 4d2fca6256f3e9d42cb0b49b37ace85f5f97f8c1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4d2fca6256f3e9d42cb0b49b37ace85f5f97f8c1 Author: Sean Turner Date: 2017-12-12 (Tue, 12 Dec 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1004 from quicwg/gratuitous-key-schedule-change Gratuitous key schedule change Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/32b8de3b9cf5...4d2fca6256f3 ----==_mimepart_5a306d8c9464f_699b2ac1851efc00137868-- From nobody Tue Dec 12 16:00:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75D7E128656 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 16:00:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.381 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.381 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g03u0GhPCzTU for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 16:00:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext4.iad.github.net [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB75312704A for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 16:00:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 16:00:16 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1513123216; bh=Nh7pdS80YmkTeX4VgRuRU7elUvH59oq31Uxalo4U1iI=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=EPVH5MT/750yZ6bOG66YsCfdgYmRKMQSfrCTce/sGoCW0ZfdbpDDBX5BqQ8YCFP8N rXkC0OyS5hGpJbIlZYeL6dCjHZYofxW1SL6u0DXP77YtnFA8lJ/rz19blJpGhMwrtB Lh6sXd8oIdDFe/7v7JWGHvQjDykjNVBxcyB2s9RA= From: Sean Turner Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Gratuitous key schedule change (#1004) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a306d90daac_10efb3fd8446d2f341120f7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: seanturner X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 00:00:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a306d90daac_10efb3fd8446d2f341120f7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #1004. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Among other small bits, this design includes the following: - Allow a client to probe alternate paths without having to use them for data. The PR introduces PATH_CHALLENGE and PATH_RESPONSE frames for this purpose. - Allow a client to do PMTU verification on a new path. - Ensure that a server validates client ownership of a new address. The server also uses the PATH_CHALLENGE and PATH_RESPONSE frames for this purpose. The new frames obviate the need for PING with data, so PING is now back to being what it used to be -- a frame with no data -- and PONG is gone as well. Note that this allows for a clean implementation and semantic separation. PING can be considered a "retransmittable" frame, with retransmission when not acknowledged, whereas PATH_CHALLENGE/RESPONSE are less onerous, since an implementation may choose to not retransmit (or limit retransmission attempts differently on) probing frames sent to alternate paths. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1012 -- Commit Summary -- * Initial text for new frame types * Replace ping/pong frame * Text for probing and connection migration * Text cleanup * Remove PATH_PROBE frame, cleanup text * Add change log * Clean up * Additional cleanup * initial changes * initial overview and some nits * wrapped up path probing section * section on committing * committing before I start pruning * first complete pass * change abandon behavior * more structure and some more text * editorial changes and added section on loss detection * added PING frame back in * ekinnear's comments and some wordsmithing * Merge pull request #1 from erickinnear/jri-mods * remove unnecessary normative * Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into dev/migration -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (451) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1012.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1012.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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This PR describes a more complete connection migration design. Among other small bits, this design includes the following:

  • Allow a client to probe alternate paths without having to use them for data. The PR introduces PATH_CHALLENGE and PATH_RESPONSE frames for this purpose.
  • Allow a client to do PMTU verification on a new path.
  • Ensure that a server validates client ownership of a new address. The server also uses the PATH_CHALLENGE and PATH_RESPONSE frames for this purpose.

The new frames obviate the need for PING with data, so PING is now back to being what it used to be --
a frame with no data -- and PONG is gone as well. Note that this allows for a clean implementation and semantic separation. PING can be considered a "retransmittable" frame, with retransmission when not acknowledged, whereas PATH_CHALLENGE/RESPONSE are less onerous, since an implementation may choose to not retransmit (or limit retransmission attempts differently on) probing frames sent to alternate paths.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1012

Commit Summary

  • Initial text for new frame types
  • Replace ping/pong frame
  • Text for probing and connection migration
  • Text cleanup
  • Remove PATH_PROBE frame, cleanup text
  • Add change log
  • Clean up
  • Additional cleanup
  • initial changes
  • initial overview and some nits
  • wrapped up path probing section
  • section on committing
  • committing before I start pruning
  • first complete pass
  • change abandon behavior
  • more structure and some more text
  • editorial changes and added section on loss detection
  • added PING frame back in
  • ekinnear's comments and some wordsmithing
  • Merge pull request #1 from erickinnear/jri-mods
  • remove unnecessary normative
  • Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into dev/migration

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Tommy Pauly, Eric Kinnear, and I worked through a design of connection= migration that we have now written up in PR #1012. This PR describes a more complete = connection migration design. Among other small bits, this design includes= the following:

  • Allow a client to probe alternate paths without having to use them fo= r data. The PR introduces PATH_CHALLENGE and PATH_RESPONSE frames for thi= s purpose.
  • Allow a client to do PMTU verification on a new path.
  • Ensure that a server validates client ownership of a new address. The= server also uses the PATH_CHALLENGE and PATH_RESPONSE frames for this pu= rpose.

The new frames obviate the need for PING with data, so PING is now bac= k to being what it used to be --
a frame with no data -- and PONG is gone as well. Note that this allows f= or a clean implementation and semantic separation. PING can be considered= a "retransmittable" frame, with retransmission when not acknowledged, wh= ereas PATH_CHALLENGE/RESPONSE are less onerous, since an implementation m= ay choose to not retransmit (or limit retransmission attempts differently= on) probing frames sent to alternate paths.

Please keep discussion of this PR (modulo clarifications) on this issu= e, and not on the PR.

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    One of the challenges with TCP is the variable behavior in different impl= ementations. Also, otherwise the numbers here can aid fingerprinting the = implementation.
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  5. Let's require both client and server to reset the cc and RTT state up= on switching to the new address. Currently the text requires only the ser= ver to do so. Let's also mark this a MUST or add sufficient warning text = that deviating from this may cause excessive loss on the network due to u= sing a mismatched inflated cwnd.

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Thanks for writing this up. It's a pretty solid design overall (not nearly as prescriptive as ICE, which is good). I think that there are a number of details that need more meat on them to support the new features that this adds. I've tried to highlight them. I also think that the structure of this is unfortunate. I would prefer to see a generic description of path validation that is role-agnostic. I realize that we do have a fundamentally asymmetric protocol and I'm not suggesting that this be perfectly symmetric, but this is unnecessarily asymmetric and the structure you have chosen has what appears to be errors in symmetry. There are some generic requirements that are only in one or other of the client or server sections where they should (at least from my brief review) be shared. Some of the differences seem like errors, but they could be intentional. If there are intentional differences (like the fact that you have chosen to allow only clients to migrate here), then those asymmetries should be more explicit. There needs to be a more explicit mention of NEW_CONNECTION_ID in relation to the client-initiated path probe. If the client uses a new connection ID for that probe, what does that do to packet numbers on the existing path? That could be a hard problem given the current design (this is something I hope to address with packet number obfuscation/encryption, so you might decide not to address that and instead leave a TODO for packet numbers). Finally, I'm not quite done with reviewing this. I want to do a gap analysis between this and STUN to see if this is a reasonable substitute (because you are effectively replicating STUN capabilities now, albeit in a more integrated and minimal fashion). > -IP and/or port, such as those caused by client or server migrating to a new -network. Connection migration allows a client to retain any shared state with a -connection when they move networks. This includes state that can be hard to -recover such as outstanding requests, which might otherwise be lost with no easy -way to retry them. +QUIC connections are identified by 64-bit connection IDs. QUIC's connection IDs +allow connections to survive changes to the client's address (client's IP +address and/or port), such as those caused by a client migrating to a new +network or a NAT rebinding changing the client's public address. + + +### Path Validation and PMTU Verification + +PATH_CHALLENGE ({{frame-path-challenge}}) and PATH_RESPONSE +({{frame-path-response}}) frames MAY be used for validating that an endpoint +owns an address, or to verify the PMTU to/from an address. This section doesn't talk about verifying PMTU from. > + +A server validates a client's address by sending a PATH_CHALLENGE frame +containing a payload that is hard to guess to that address. The server +considers the address to be valid when a PATH_RESPONSE frame containing the same +payload is received from the client. + +Similarly, a client verifies the PMTU of a network path from a new client +address to the server by sending a PMTU-sized packet carrying a PATH_CHALLENGE +frame. The client considers the PMTU verified when a PATH_RESPONSE frame +containing the same payload sent by the server to the new client address is +received. + + +### Client Behavior {#migration-client} + +A client triggers connection migration to a new address by sending a I hope that this isn't a trigger for migration. The path verification might be a prerequisite for a conscious migration by a client, but it's not what we should be using to trigger the switch on the server end. > +can perform more accurate measurements by associating the server's response with +the causative PATH_CHALLENGE. + +When the client receives a PATH_RESPONSE from the server and verifies that the +included data matches the data it sent in a previous PATH_CHALLENGE, the server +is considered reachable from the new address and the PMTU of the new network +path is considered verified. + +A client SHOULD abandon the new address if it does not receive a PATH_RESPONSE +after sending some number of PATH_CHALLENGE frames and/or after some time has +passed. Note that the client may be receiving data from the server during this +period, but not receiving a PATH_RESPONSE may be indicative of a PMTU detection +failure. + + +#### Responding to a Server's Validation I would prefer that we talk about the different types of migration rather than have this talk about client and server behaviour separately. Having this text here is hard to contextualize because it comes before any of the text about what might have happened to cause it to be necessary. Also, I think that initiating and responding to validation is a generic thing that could be described independent of the different use cases/scenarios. > +is considered reachable from the new address and the PMTU of the new network +path is considered verified. + +A client SHOULD abandon the new address if it does not receive a PATH_RESPONSE +after sending some number of PATH_CHALLENGE frames and/or after some time has +passed. Note that the client may be receiving data from the server during this +period, but not receiving a PATH_RESPONSE may be indicative of a PMTU detection +failure. + + +#### Responding to a Server's Validation + +A client may receive a PATH_CHALLENGE from a server that is validating the +client's ownership of its address, as described in {{migration-server}}. The +client MUST respond to this frame by echoing the data from the server's +PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame. This doesn't say what path the response follows. It's important here to note that the client doesn't need to change its addressing info in any way when responding. > +frame. The client considers the PMTU verified when a PATH_RESPONSE frame +containing the same payload sent by the server to the new client address is +received. + + +### Client Behavior {#migration-client} + +A client triggers connection migration to a new address by sending a +PATH_CHALLENGE as a probe or by switching to sending all packets to the new +address. The client SHOULD do PMTU verification before considering migration +complete. The client also participates in an address validation that the server +may initiate to confirm the client's ownership of its address (see +{{migration-server}}). + +A client migrating to a new network might use a new connection ID for packets +sent from the new address, see {{migration-linkability}} for further discussion. There's nothing here about the use of connection ID and packet numbers for the probes on the new path. > +but it MUST limit the rate at which data is sent to an unvalidated address, and +it MUST limit the amount of time for which it sends data to an unvalidated +address. + + +#### Responding to a Client's Probe + +When a server receives a PATH_CHALLENGE frame from a client, it MUST generate a +PATH_RESPONSE frame that contains the same data as the challenge. The server's +PATH_RESPONSE MUST be sent to the address from which the client's PATH_CHALLENGE +was received. + +The server sends the PATH_RESPONSE in a packet that is padded to no more than +the size of the client's packet carrying the PATH_CHALLENGE. The server SHOULD +pad the packet to the same size as the client's packet, unless the server has +reasonable assurance of a smaller PMTU. Why does the server pad its PATH_RESPONSE, but the client does not? Also, this smaller PMTU seems confusing, even if it isn't explicitly wrong. We definitely need a 1200 in here somewhere. > +A server MAY skip address validation for a client address that it considers to +be already valid. + +After validating a client address, the server MAY send an updated address +validation token to the client ({{address-validation}}). + + +#### Committing to a New Address + +When a server receives a packet containing a frame other than PATH_CHALLENGE, +PATH_RESPONSE, or PADDING from a client address with a packet number that is the +largest seen thus far on the connection, the server "commits" to this client +address. The server MUST send all subsequent packets to this address, with the +following exception. PATH_CHALLENGE, PATH_RESPONSE, and PADDING frames are used +for probing a network path, and receiving only these frames MUST NOT cause the +server to commit to a new address. I think that this can be simpler. Any packet containing PATH_CHALLENGE is ignored. You do allow STREAM frames with that packet in earlier text (and STREAM frames aren't a terrible waste of octets, so I can imagine people using the bandwidth for that rather than padding, even if the probability of loss is that much greater). But this text would cause the recipient to latch. > +Before sending any other packets to a client address that is not yet considered +valid, the server MUST send a PATH_CHALLENGE frame with its own validation data +to this address to verify the client's ownership of it. The server's +PATH_CHALLENGE MAY be bundled with other frames and does not require additional +padding. + +When the server receives a PATH_RESPONSE from a client and verifies that the +included data matches that sent by the server in a previous PATH_CHALLENGE to +the client, the server considers the client address to which the corresponding +PATH_CHALLENGE was sent as valid. + +A server MAY send additional PATH_CHALLENGE frames to handle packet loss, +subject to the congestion controller's limits. + +A PATH_CHALLENGE frame used for validation MUST contain at least 12 randomly +generated octets {{?RFC4086}}, making the payload sufficiently hard to guess. This is a generic requirement, but you have it here in the server-specific section. > + +~~~ + 0 1 2 3 + 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Length(8) | Data (*) ... ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +~~~ + +Length: + +: This 8-bit value describes the length of the Data field. + +Data: + +: This variable-length field contains arbitrary data. Can we make this a fixed length? > -An endpoint that receives an unsolicited PONG frame - that is, a PONG frame -containing a payload that is empty MUST generate a connection error of type -FRAME_ERROR, indicating the PONG frame (that is, 0x10d). If the content of a -PONG frame does not match the content of a PING frame previously sent by the -endpoint, the endpoint MAY generate a connection error of type UNSOLICITED_PONG. +A PATH_RESPONSE frame MUST NOT elicit acknowledgements. I don't think that this is a necessary requirement. Given that it's the packet that generates the acknowledgments, that PADDING causes ACKs to be sent, and that this will never fill an entire packet, I think that you can drop this line. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1012#pullrequestreview-83032070 ----==_mimepart_5a307ee47f977_71bf3fa438102f2c177444 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

Thanks for writing this up. It's a pretty solid design overall (not nearly as prescriptive as ICE, which is good). I think that there are a number of details that need more meat on them to support the new features that this adds. I've tried to highlight them.

I also think that the structure of this is unfortunate. I would prefer to see a generic description of path validation that is role-agnostic. I realize that we do have a fundamentally asymmetric protocol and I'm not suggesting that this be perfectly symmetric, but this is unnecessarily asymmetric and the structure you have chosen has what appears to be errors in symmetry. There are some generic requirements that are only in one or other of the client or server sections where they should (at least from my brief review) be shared. Some of the differences seem like errors, but they could be intentional. If there are intentional differences (like the fact that you have chosen to allow only clients to migrate here), then those asymmetries should be more explicit.

There needs to be a more explicit mention of NEW_CONNECTION_ID in relation to the client-initiated path probe. If the client uses a new connection ID for that probe, what does that do to packet numbers on the existing path? That could be a hard problem given the current design (this is something I hope to address with packet number obfuscation/encryption, so you might decide not to address that and instead leave a TODO for packet numbers).

Finally, I'm not quite done with reviewing this. I want to do a gap analysis between this and STUN to see if this is a reasonable substitute (because you are effectively replicating STUN capabilities now, albeit in a more integrated and minimal fashion).

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -IP and/or port, such as those caused by client or server migrating to a new
-network.  Connection migration allows a client to retain any shared state with a
-connection when they move networks.  This includes state that can be hard to
-recover such as outstanding requests, which might otherwise be lost with no easy
-way to retry them.
+QUIC connections are identified by 64-bit connection IDs. QUIC's connection IDs
+allow connections to survive changes to the client's address (client's IP
+address and/or port), such as those caused by a client migrating to a new
+network or a NAT rebinding changing the client's public address.
+
+
+### Path Validation and PMTU Verification
+
+PATH_CHALLENGE ({{frame-path-challenge}}) and PATH_RESPONSE
+({{frame-path-response}}) frames MAY be used for validating that an endpoint
+owns an address, or to verify the PMTU to/from an address.

This section doesn't talk about verifying PMTU from.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+A server validates a client's address by sending a PATH_CHALLENGE frame
+containing a payload that is hard to guess to that address.  The server
+considers the address to be valid when a PATH_RESPONSE frame containing the same
+payload is received from the client.
+
+Similarly, a client verifies the PMTU of a network path from a new client
+address to the server by sending a PMTU-sized packet carrying a PATH_CHALLENGE
+frame. The client considers the PMTU verified when a PATH_RESPONSE frame
+containing the same payload sent by the server to the new client address is
+received.
+
+
+### Client Behavior {#migration-client}
+
+A client triggers connection migration to a new address by sending a

I hope that this isn't a trigger for migration. The path verification might be a prerequisite for a conscious migration by a client, but it's not what we should be using to trigger the switch on the server end.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +can perform more accurate measurements by associating the server's response with
+the causative PATH_CHALLENGE.
+
+When the client receives a PATH_RESPONSE from the server and verifies that the
+included data matches the data it sent in a previous PATH_CHALLENGE, the server
+is considered reachable from the new address and the PMTU of the new network
+path is considered verified.
+
+A client SHOULD abandon the new address if it does not receive a PATH_RESPONSE
+after sending some number of PATH_CHALLENGE frames and/or after some time has
+passed. Note that the client may be receiving data from the server during this
+period, but not receiving a PATH_RESPONSE may be indicative of a PMTU detection
+failure.
+
+
+#### Responding to a Server's Validation

I would prefer that we talk about the different types of migration rather than have this talk about client and server behaviour separately. Having this text here is hard to contextualize because it comes before any of the text about what might have happened to cause it to be necessary.

Also, I think that initiating and responding to validation is a generic thing that could be described independent of the different use cases/scenarios.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +is considered reachable from the new address and the PMTU of the new network
+path is considered verified.
+
+A client SHOULD abandon the new address if it does not receive a PATH_RESPONSE
+after sending some number of PATH_CHALLENGE frames and/or after some time has
+passed. Note that the client may be receiving data from the server during this
+period, but not receiving a PATH_RESPONSE may be indicative of a PMTU detection
+failure.
+
+
+#### Responding to a Server's Validation
+
+A client may receive a PATH_CHALLENGE from a server that is validating the
+client's ownership of its address, as described in {{migration-server}}. The
+client MUST respond to this frame by echoing the data from the server's
+PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame.

This doesn't say what path the response follows. It's important here to note that the client doesn't need to change its addressing info in any way when responding.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +frame. The client considers the PMTU verified when a PATH_RESPONSE frame
+containing the same payload sent by the server to the new client address is
+received.
+
+
+### Client Behavior {#migration-client}
+
+A client triggers connection migration to a new address by sending a
+PATH_CHALLENGE as a probe or by switching to sending all packets to the new
+address. The client SHOULD do PMTU verification before considering migration
+complete. The client also participates in an address validation that the server
+may initiate to confirm the client's ownership of its address (see
+{{migration-server}}).
+
+A client migrating to a new network might use a new connection ID for packets
+sent from the new address, see {{migration-linkability}} for further discussion.

There's nothing here about the use of connection ID and packet numbers for the probes on the new path.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +but it MUST limit the rate at which data is sent to an unvalidated address, and
+it MUST limit the amount of time for which it sends data to an unvalidated
+address.
+
+
+#### Responding to a Client's Probe
+
+When a server receives a PATH_CHALLENGE frame from a client, it MUST generate a
+PATH_RESPONSE frame that contains the same data as the challenge. The server's
+PATH_RESPONSE MUST be sent to the address from which the client's PATH_CHALLENGE
+was received.
+
+The server sends the PATH_RESPONSE in a packet that is padded to no more than
+the size of the client's packet carrying the PATH_CHALLENGE.  The server SHOULD
+pad the packet to the same size as the client's packet, unless the server has
+reasonable assurance of a smaller PMTU.

Why does the server pad its PATH_RESPONSE, but the client does not? Also, this smaller PMTU seems confusing, even if it isn't explicitly wrong. We definitely need a 1200 in here somewhere.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +A server MAY skip address validation for a client address that it considers to
+be already valid.
+
+After validating a client address, the server MAY send an updated address
+validation token to the client ({{address-validation}}).
+
+
+#### Committing to a New Address
+
+When a server receives a packet containing a frame other than PATH_CHALLENGE,
+PATH_RESPONSE, or PADDING from a client address with a packet number that is the
+largest seen thus far on the connection, the server "commits" to this client
+address. The server MUST send all subsequent packets to this address, with the
+following exception.  PATH_CHALLENGE, PATH_RESPONSE, and PADDING frames are used
+for probing a network path, and receiving only these frames MUST NOT cause the
+server to commit to a new address.

I think that this can be simpler. Any packet containing PATH_CHALLENGE is ignored.

You do allow STREAM frames with that packet in earlier text (and STREAM frames aren't a terrible waste of octets, so I can imagine people using the bandwidth for that rather than padding, even if the probability of loss is that much greater). But this text would cause the recipient to latch.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Before sending any other packets to a client address that is not yet considered
+valid, the server MUST send a PATH_CHALLENGE frame with its own validation data
+to this address to verify the client's ownership of it. The server's
+PATH_CHALLENGE MAY be bundled with other frames and does not require additional
+padding.
+
+When the server receives a PATH_RESPONSE from a client and verifies that the
+included data matches that sent by the server in a previous PATH_CHALLENGE to
+the client, the server considers the client address to which the corresponding
+PATH_CHALLENGE was sent as valid.
+
+A server MAY send additional PATH_CHALLENGE frames to handle packet loss,
+subject to the congestion controller's limits.
+
+A PATH_CHALLENGE frame used for validation MUST contain at least 12 randomly
+generated octets {{?RFC4086}}, making the payload sufficiently hard to guess.

This is a generic requirement, but you have it here in the server-specific section.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+~~~
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|   Length(8)   |                 Data (*)                    ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~
+
+Length:
+
+: This 8-bit value describes the length of the Data field.
+
+Data:
+
+: This variable-length field contains arbitrary data.

Can we make this a fixed length?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-An endpoint that receives an unsolicited PONG frame - that is, a PONG frame
-containing a payload that is empty MUST generate a connection error of type
-FRAME_ERROR, indicating the PONG frame (that is, 0x10d).  If the content of a
-PONG frame does not match the content of a PING frame previously sent by the
-endpoint, the endpoint MAY generate a connection error of type UNSOLICITED_PONG.
+A PATH_RESPONSE frame MUST NOT elicit acknowledgements.

I don't think that this is a necessary requirement. Given that it's the packet that generates the acknowledgments, that PADDING causes ACKs to be sent, and that this will never fill an entire packet, I think that you can drop this line.

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There's the operability document...

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Good point, I'm happy with that.

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I missed this engrossing discussion. Bullet 5 is a problem. The issue = today in datacenters is that minrto is set by the sender and ack delay is= set by the receiver but there is no way to negotiate this value. Windows= tries to solve this by using the handshake RTT to pick aggressive values= for both minrto and delayed ACK timeout but it is less than ideal since = both ends could measure the handshake RTT differently. Starting out with = a fixed 25 msec we are preventing a much lower minrto in low latency intr= a-DC scenarios. I think we should still negotiate the default starting va= lue in the transport parameters as proposed in the TCP MAD option. Though= ts?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3841,7 +3941,8 @@ Issue and pull request numbers are listed with a leading octothorp.
 
 ## Since draft-ietf-quic-transport-08
 
-No significant changes.
+- Added PATH_CHALLENGE and PATH_RESPONSE frames, removed PING with Data, removed
+  PONG frame and rewrote connection migration (#000)

This should be filled in with the correct number now

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I was thinking, what about DOS amplification attacks, if the server pl= aintext is larger than the client initial? But in fact, the server plain = text is already larger than the client initial -- certificates are large = enough to often require two packets.

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OTOH, I would not call that PMTU discovery. You are speaking about the m= inimum MTU of 1532/1552 bytes, right?

Another way to see that is that the server should assume that the "guara= nteed" MTU is at most the size of the largest packet that it sent during th= e handshake.

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= ----==_mimepart_5a30cc071c4ec_489e3f9291c4ef388167b1-- From nobody Tue Dec 12 22:48:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84537126DFB for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 22:48:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BHl0ei-h09jG for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 22:48:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A876D126CD6 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 22:48:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=K4E+eQY7zJ7rQw0Hg5xwZtZo3gU=; b=hG8KqWdlJ+kWfOyb xPGE38c7Bqip487qkgY85SZiuZ5QCkMHdGAPQThYypiQZsVP6uIUz1wz8QAjUu1c V24SVMSnUdxf5GW8CtYquXy1LmaFXuCT7miyA39bbSK+RxX0HQeEmJ/bOfaJNT7Y lvSxZBLBLLHK1xOv2GnazZUmoKc= Received: by filter0281p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0281p1las1-17299-5A30CD37-A 2017-12-13 06:48:23.660577769 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0024p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id dFQQSkEIRRmHnyaLplGUAQ for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 06:48:23.548 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 06:48:23 +0000 (UTC) From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Probing and connection migration (#880) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a30cd3754fc3_20a43fc30de34f3098368"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak17dgYDjNn+OMWQL3g1QR8X14sZNia+JjtWm4 1b7cu1bDmEx3zN7hCbFteJFaigfa2klU3A9DxlNPtraQPrb7A6OAY9xfhV9PKFZlIRz+xwnawWexkZ T+Fuhf909l0Z8O+K6AizAza4elZmh7GiaPjYpvf+ypdT2IjkUFnYRuG18miiCgh/C1A/n6WhR41r22 w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 06:48:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a30cd3754fc3_20a43fc30de34f3098368 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks @pravb. Answers below: 0. Not quite. A client can probe multiple paths at the same time, and a server can be validating multiple paths at the same time, but the server considers only one path the one it's committed to. Happy to clarify that further in the PR if you think that's useful. 1. I would like to suggest that a single congestion controller is enough, but I would like to allow an impl to use multiple if it really wants to. That said, we don't specify how to use multiple controllers, so I'm fine with a SHOULD. 2. Agreed. I'll come up with something here. 3. The server can send data until validation is complete, which is why this limit of IW is applied. The limit is to basically not allow an arbitrary amount of data from being dumped on a victim. We can tighten this to lower than IW, but our reasoning was that 0RTT gives you the same amount of amplification, and this is similar. 4. Agreed. Will come up with something here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/880#issuecomment-351299583 ----==_mimepart_5a30cd3754fc3_20a43fc30de34f3098368 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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  1. Not quite. A client can probe multiple paths at the same time, and a ser= ver can be validating multiple paths at the same time, but the server consi= ders only one path the one it's committed to. Happy to clarify that further= in the PR if you think that's useful.

  2. I would like to suggest that a single congestion controller is enough, b= ut I would like to allow an impl to use multiple if it really wants to. Tha= t said, we don't specify how to use multiple controllers, so I'm fine with = a SHOULD.

  3. Agreed. I'll come up with something here.

  4. The server can send data until validation is complete, which is why this= limit of IW is applied. The limit is to basically not allow an arbitrary a= mount of data from being dumped on a victim. We can tighten this to lower t= han IW, but our reasoning was that 0RTT gives you the same amount of amplif= ication, and this is similar.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -IP and/or port, such as those caused by client or server migrating to a new
-network.  Connection migration allows a client to retain any shared state with a
-connection when they move networks.  This includes state that can be hard to
-recover such as outstanding requests, which might otherwise be lost with no easy
-way to retry them.
+QUIC connections are identified by 64-bit connection IDs. QUIC's connection IDs
+allow connections to survive changes to the client's address (client's IP
+address and/or port), such as those caused by a client migrating to a new
+network or a NAT rebinding changing the client's public address.
+
+
+### Path Validation and PMTU Verification
+
+PATH_CHALLENGE ({{frame-path-challenge}}) and PATH_RESPONSE
+({{frame-path-response}}) frames MAY be used for validating that an endpoint
+owns an address, or to verify the PMTU to/from an address.

The client is verifying PMTU from its new address

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@huitema: Yes, exactly. There's no text right now for the server to know what it'= s max packet size ought to be. I was going to suggest that the server use t= he size of the client's first packet, unless it knows that the PMTU in the = server -> client direction is smaller, in which case, it uses a smaller = size. Either ways, this ought to become the max packet size for the server.=

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Closes #1010.

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The draft currently requires that QUIC require a network path supporting a MTU of at least 1280 octets. Specifically, "An endpoint MUST NOT reduce its MTU below this number, even if it receives signals that indicate a smaller limit might exist."

This text needs justification or needs to be removed. (I can't recall why this was added in.)

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I understand that there's a PMTU requirement of > 1280 in the draft at the moment, but I have #1014 to track that. I'm happy to rewrite this PR depending on how that issue is resolved.

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----==_mimepart_5a30d52bad09d_49d93fe5f8436f34234656-- From nobody Wed Dec 13 06:46:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A9D3126CD8 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 06:46:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wV4ZC5yyBhbx for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 06:46:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext4.iad.github.net [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4BAB12704A for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 06:46:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 06:46:01 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1513176361; bh=iiSiUpe0TaSCKhTb4MmzuDgU0BxzjOk+EwLhT2gBhvI=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=uorlHeTi6fIqKhk3OubB0SpN+wvALUQS08JZvSxW2L2NDJMbLGSESKvhYiVL+gSqL yEt2izL+hQ9WEzTE05fxRwltRNSjzo83duuUjrjq6nuAcL+WMWmFVGrmOnyGyDlyWb QjX7Qq55r6yPelQS58H2A8S02M49KVZoDLVIy8v8= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include ACK delay in RTO computations (#981) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a313d29c67_105313f93ae7e8f342928a7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:46:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a313d29c67_105313f93ae7e8f342928a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reopened #981. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/981#event-1385760508 ----==_mimepart_5a313d29c67_105313f93ae7e8f342928a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Reopened #981.

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----==_mimepart_5a313d29c67_105313f93ae7e8f342928a7-- From nobody Wed Dec 13 06:46:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568A1124B0A for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 06:46:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Iz5OIKXGsz09 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 06:46:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55963126CD8 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 06:46:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=+s06vmjwpRY4Ek1tcOlSaRPPXp0=; b=SSxwNLuceQRtfZQJ TJYm1G2yNq8Uwg9Deemu1X44jAWmPLWof1x2ivS3roRuegyvwz3cq70IJEtEeD5h ajYyP3Ik9eWn0CucGuAjiakwky5x3U5NG2KW7Y3bRT6C5dTs7To9pHlHr6w5z+VA oQ/Uq9LjC5NFbKGBtCASomBp5ys= Received: by filter0107p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0107p1las1-15469-5A313D2E-3 2017-12-13 14:46:06.240831648 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0024p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id VajrpkHjTOCWGeGGS30JVQ for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:46:06.217 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:46:06 +0000 (UTC) From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include ACK delay in RTO computations (#981) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a313d294bee_7fd03fe450f6ef2c18145b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2H7OEqnns4ZaRRGsgVsTkxQuhdfzntx6Zd7X blfOWc6/kHzK4ZbTbqOKwlhQo66sKgaa2dEc09uMAgu/F9ayM0eymnXMzEmtcSow33+Eo6C16UPjl8 Hj3cyLXy4BQwev6hXmGTNwINZ8r6l8RcYVUI9uEfbyQTyt7LywzdgdRGrg== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:46:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a313d294bee_7fd03fe450f6ef2c18145b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm happy to reopen this, since no one has any experience with the current suggestion of measuring max ack delay and the TCP MAD option is seen as valuable by the TCP folks for the reasons you suggest. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/981#issuecomment-351411712 ----==_mimepart_5a313d294bee_7fd03fe450f6ef2c18145b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm happy to reopen this, since no one has any experience with the current suggestion of measuring max ack delay and the TCP MAD option is seen as valuable by the TCP folks for the reasons you suggest.

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by justification I don't know if you just mean "a good reason" or "text = describing the good reason". I think only the former is required in most ca= ses.

anyhow - I recall a few reasons
1] we intentionally restrict ourselves to v6 capable networks as a reasonab= le cost of 2017 internet admission
2] mtu across the internet is therefore practically 1280-1500 for many case= s
3] pmtud is hard and error prone. If you'd like to opt-out of that trouble,= 1280 gets you most of the way to pmtu in practice... while 576 doesn't hav= e that property.
4] Having a substantial minimum made the padded-initial possible and easy

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Some may read the text as if packets can never be smaller than 1280, which is not the case.

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Re 0. Yes let's clarify, it wasn't immediately clear in the text. What= is the use case we are targeting with allowing more than one path being = probed at a time? This also becomes a possible attack vector because clie= nt can now generate challenges from thousands of addresses with same conn= ection ID. This leads to costlier lookups depending on the implementation= and the server needs to keep state for each new 4-tuple to be mapped to = this connection ID? I would try to make connection migration simpler not = more complex in v1.

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= ----==_mimepart_5a3160b365b26_19813ffca5a42f2c277430-- From nobody Wed Dec 13 10:07:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0085512714F for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 10:07:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 73ZvUGM2eH68 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 10:07:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from o10.sgmail.github.com (o10.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80D9412704B for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 10:07:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=56dlwLZxHdrlfdu3Cyti7H3tvIc=; b=eBk55ES8lHyv3dCr 0XhlSy/BwYZ19C43YNLFgrGbkjRKZv6RxUhe6utdbIdT112oNZzUIpINVQiaF6BA 4DzGQ6hZGNssTCNlXLKipTLeGfLeh2m5KZP8O4kZV6PK1HI17LCD3PEGPor6IoUM XMqJZY61YaoQkCx9oRX+1uSq/fs= Received: by filter0078p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0078p1iad2-5014-5A316C6E-6 2017-12-13 18:07:42.121450464 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0021p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id rvo_AlroRoy5k4uZ9coF5g for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 18:07:42.029 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 18:07:42 +0000 (UTC) From: Praveen Balasubramanian Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include ACK delay in RTO computations (#981) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a316c6e286d_77b73f8568190f281193c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: pravb X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0XFQZ6rMQbqGQFHZq7xIVC73tgFiQFvzOpzJ 6XRvgVYNav7Keo9GBnJnjSs1Pr6oNATTA/Xa6gEX73/myHIVAPhRE/cUo3yJc6fAgRKK1C9eCgJOfG dHdPTv5iq1K9UFtLQnDP/suhlO/Cy4B9p2ahV/cW813b9X8uDdMCSoF931Bv2MhTAxZYCrrhzj4hUK A= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 18:07:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a316c6e286d_77b73f8568190f281193c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To clarify, my only additional request is that we negotiate the initial delayed ACK timeout value in the transport parameters. Is there any harm in negotiating this for the initialization so we cover the low latency scenarios? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/981#issuecomment-351474050 ----==_mimepart_5a316c6e286d_77b73f8568190f281193c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

To clarify, my only additional request is that we negotiate the initial = delayed ACK timeout value in the transport parameters. Is there any harm in= negotiating this for the initialization so we cover the low latency scenar= ios?

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= ----==_mimepart_5a316c6e286d_77b73f8568190f281193c-- From nobody Wed Dec 13 10:52:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5872212711A for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 10:52:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D5iB8zgxWgC0 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 10:52:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69C42127076 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 10:52:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=wzfbBO+xj68aiAEL54vBpQfPtHI=; b=eKQSy8TK8byXh7nY QDbxGmFD6NsQ0csQ3WX+ErQjbaVyNxf+GZpZ8sxyEA4avoIItWhlZDF9g8CRhlPb K/N14JuK5IEocDGjfuRy/L0fgC/iFApJ0FCLVs7RY0uafNZfZbHkC7IW2J1bGNOD UsPgL85b94DvxHR0cG8eKDx9cvM= Received: by filter0613p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0613p1iad2-31875-5A317705-C 2017-12-13 18:52:53.317856288 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0009p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id Gjm73sI4QmS5Zjad1yO-2Q for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 18:52:53.395 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 18:52:53 +0000 (UTC) From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include ACK delay in RTO computations (#981) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a317705317bd_6b4e3fbca6906f30358172"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0ViukZ4N610Zw51/CfU0Gou9oTrRtlD4Tf3m QqIISSLv4s6AS35NLtUJ3pfgmOJkgoeSkASmEtK/w405W8TZ344x89I2hJL0FpUq5pY/wuppGEH1n6 jQs1s9zCoHYPxI2plC8ivKsNfdcwCss1SGwTQ2a6XpALhp8NVOSNie+j9nT8z76hXkSJbv0mlSgRJr 4= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 18:52:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a317705317bd_6b4e3fbca6906f30358172 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @pravb , it seems that your main requirement is to not impose a floor of 25ms to the max ACK delay, correct? In that case, the simplest solution is to treat it much like the RTT. Use the 25ms value as long as no ack delay has been measured, replace it by the first observed value when it comes. In practice, the value will be set when the first handshake packet is received. That only leaves open the case of the very first packet, the client initial. But there is no way to use negotiation there, since by definition the client has not yet heard anything from the server. It boils down to local configuration. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/981#issuecomment-351486522 ----==_mimepart_5a317705317bd_6b4e3fbca6906f30358172 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@pravb ,= it seems that your main requirement is to not impose a floor of 25ms to th= e max ACK delay, correct? In that case, the simplest solution is to treat i= t much like the RTT. Use the 25ms value as long as no ack delay has been me= asured, replace it by the first observed value when it comes. In practice, = the value will be set when the first handshake packet is received.

That only leaves open the case of the very first packet, the client init= ial. But there is no way to use negotiation there, since by definition the = client has not yet heard anything from the server. It boils down to local c= onfiguration.

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This is a little hairy to implement and seems to add a bunch of un-necessary complexity and confusion about which transport parameters to expect. The latter is especially concerning because a mixup there results in hard errors. The motivation, afaict, is to allow smaller defaults for things that are flow controlled on 0rtt vs 1rtt. Presumably the 0-rtt connection would issue a bunch of flow control credits shortly after 1rtt keys are established to bring those two connection styles up to parity with each other. I propose that transport parameters are removed from NST and the server simply always behaves in this way (i.e. use conservative values in transport parameters and then issue flow control credits when 1RT keys are established. irrespective of whether or not a 0-rtt phase was ever used). Given that a server that is not going to authenticate its client can send flow control credits at 0.5RTT these updates arrive in the same flight as the handshake in the 1rtt case - i.e. its effectively not adding any latency.. certainly not enough latency to exhaust those smaller defaults. The TLS APIs here can create quite a bit of complexity... e.g. great care needs to be taken to correctly correlate transport parameters with the right context.. it is a solvable problem, but the complexity seems un-necessary. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1015 ----==_mimepart_5a31907477033_46e93ff92f606f2c258680 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

transport 7.4.2 says that if a new_session_ticket contains the transport parameters extension those parameters should be used as overrides when making future 0-rtt connections with the ticket.

This is a little hairy to implement and seems to add a bunch of un-necessary complexity and confusion about which transport parameters to expect. The latter is especially concerning because a mixup there results in hard errors.

The motivation, afaict, is to allow smaller defaults for things that are flow controlled on 0rtt vs 1rtt. Presumably the 0-rtt connection would issue a bunch of flow control credits shortly after 1rtt keys are established to bring those two connection styles up to parity with each other.

I propose that transport parameters are removed from NST and the server simply always behaves in this way (i.e. use conservative values in transport parameters and then issue flow control credits when 1RT keys are established. irrespective of whether or not a 0-rtt phase was ever used).

Given that a server that is not going to authenticate its client can send flow control credits at 0.5RTT these updates arrive in the same flight as the handshake in the 1rtt case - i.e. its effectively not adding any latency.. certainly not enough latency to exhaust those smaller defaults.

The TLS APIs here can create quite a bit of complexity... e.g. great care needs to be taken to correctly correlate transport parameters with the right context.. it is a solvable problem, but the complexity seems un-necessary.

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@huitema= : I would characterize the requirement slightly differently -- what <= a href=3D"https://github.com/pravb" class=3D"user-mention">@pravb see= ms to be saying is that that the floor on the minRTO is too high, which i= s was the motivation for MAD. I agree with @huitema on not needing this in the t= ransport params since the first RTT, even for MAD is unknown -- this is b= asically the SYN RTO. We can do exactly what TCP achieves with MAD withou= t the transport param, since we dynamically receive the ack_delay in rece= ived acks.

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Connection migration allows a client to retain any shared state with a -connection when they move networks. This includes state that can be hard to -recover such as outstanding requests, which might otherwise be lost with no easy -way to retry them. +QUIC connections are identified by 64-bit connection IDs. QUIC's connection IDs +allow connections to survive changes to the client's address (client's IP +address and/or port), such as those caused by a client migrating to a new +network or a NAT rebinding changing the client's public address. + + +### Path Validation and PMTU Verification + +PATH_CHALLENGE ({{frame-path-challenge}}) and PATH_RESPONSE +({{frame-path-response}}) frames MAY be used for validating that an endpoint +owns an address, or to verify the PMTU to/from an address. I mean, this talks about verification toward the peer (outward bound), not from the peer (inbound). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -IP and/or port, such as those caused by client or server migrating to a new
-network.  Connection migration allows a client to retain any shared state with a
-connection when they move networks.  This includes state that can be hard to
-recover such as outstanding requests, which might otherwise be lost with no easy
-way to retry them.
+QUIC connections are identified by 64-bit connection IDs. QUIC's connection IDs
+allow connections to survive changes to the client's address (client's IP
+address and/or port), such as those caused by a client migrating to a new
+network or a NAT rebinding changing the client's public address.
+
+
+### Path Validation and PMTU Verification
+
+PATH_CHALLENGE ({{frame-path-challenge}}) and PATH_RESPONSE
+({{frame-path-response}}) frames MAY be used for validating that an endpoint
+owns an address, or to verify the PMTU to/from an address.

I mean, this talks about verification toward the peer (outward bound), not from the peer (inbound).

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@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 Servers MUST ignore an initial plaintext packet from a client if its total size
 is less than 1200 octets.
 
+Similarly, servers MUST ensure that the first handshake packet they send to

Use capital H here and maybe be more explicit. A Version Negotiation or Retry packet shouldn't be larger, and in fact should be kept small. (We can't pad Version Negotiation anyway, except with greasing values, which isn't much use.)

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 Servers MUST ignore an initial plaintext packet from a client if its total size
 is less than 1200 octets.
 
+Similarly, servers MUST ensure that the first handshake packet they send to
+clients, and any retransmissions of those octets, has a QUIC packet size that is
+the same as the received initial client packet, unless the server knows the PMTU
+to the client to be smaller. Sending a packet of this size ensures that the

This "smaller" clause here means that the server-to-client path could end up with a PMTU less than 1200. I think that you need to set a minimum of 1200 here explicitly.

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Commit: 64438436d11732f015819a22b7dffca93b38f939 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/64438436d11732f015819a22b7dffca93b38f939 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-12-05 (Tue, 05 Dec 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Move PLPMTUD section a little, fix Initial Commit: 7ae32c71729f2c918d494581bc285fc50664f59d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7ae32c71729f2c918d494581bc285fc50664f59d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-12-05 (Tue, 05 Dec 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Restructure packetization section Commit: a73dea0c0aa7cc71a656e13da0b5d5526b3a089b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a73dea0c0aa7cc71a656e13da0b5d5526b3a089b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-12-05 (Tue, 05 Dec 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Take changes from 776debf0e45ffe Commit: 2de0c0512b32594a919115c37be4b4b5f8aceeb1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2de0c0512b32594a919115c37be4b4b5f8aceeb1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-12-08 (Fri, 08 Dec 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Some editorial changes Commit: 150ea514b364a7a35c4d91a43598f449b4145843 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/150ea514b364a7a35c4d91a43598f449b4145843 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-12-13 (Wed, 13 Dec 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #985 from quicwg/mduke-plpmtu Restructure packetization section Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/4d2fca6256f3...150ea514b364 ----==_mimepart_5a31a018de9ed_67e62ac85194dc041315f2-- From nobody Wed Dec 13 13:48:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C652D12726E for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:48:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G1BU6U-r-aHZ for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:48:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext4.iad.github.net [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F337B1201F8 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:48:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:48:11 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1513201691; bh=J2r2xM6DSBdHMQJl6Neof+Am5DfkMDeyG6H0W8sKuCo=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=fsWbx2MuHMQgIoviLpSsWmsRvcF+3YYIMb2169O3S0vq0twHlVmTQNq2V8vDmywIA 5VHk1yIqR0QtvSDwYbcAcj/RKl8Aznl2qIYh72Q0Tre0VS9QyrLqtp84+cxrQBDFP2 1v10AhdUnIIOy6S4NP9QKMriKWhdKlYcQNHZLekA= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Restructure packetization section (#985) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a31a01b504ad_e2a13fecdda26f34677878"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 21:48:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a31a01b504ad_e2a13fecdda26f34677878 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #985. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Isn't there an implicit penalty with that approach that all streams wi= ll start with a small flow control window forever? You might want a larg= er window for the initial flight of each stream, and the server can't sen= d back credit on a client-initiated stream until it has seen the client i= nitiate it.

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Thanks for the write-up -- I think it helps move in the right direction. I agree with Martin, though -- you have a lot more asymmetry here than seems necessary. We also have issues open around server-side migration, and this doesn't allow for that, even though it seems like it could do so with relatively little additional work. > +QUIC connections are identified by 64-bit connection IDs. QUIC's connection IDs +allow connections to survive changes to the client's address (client's IP +address and/or port), such as those caused by a client migrating to a new +network or a NAT rebinding changing the client's public address. + + +### Path Validation and PMTU Verification + +PATH_CHALLENGE ({{frame-path-challenge}}) and PATH_RESPONSE +({{frame-path-response}}) frames MAY be used for validating that an endpoint +owns an address, or to verify the PMTU to/from an address. + +A server validates a client's address by sending a PATH_CHALLENGE frame +containing a payload that is hard to guess to that address. The server +considers the address to be valid when a PATH_RESPONSE frame containing the same +payload is received from the client. Does it have to come back from a particular address? Either way, perhaps say so. > + +A server validates a client's address by sending a PATH_CHALLENGE frame +containing a payload that is hard to guess to that address. The server +considers the address to be valid when a PATH_RESPONSE frame containing the same +payload is received from the client. + +Similarly, a client verifies the PMTU of a network path from a new client +address to the server by sending a PMTU-sized packet carrying a PATH_CHALLENGE +frame. The client considers the PMTU verified when a PATH_RESPONSE frame +containing the same payload sent by the server to the new client address is +received. + + +### Client Behavior {#migration-client} + +A client triggers connection migration to a new address by sending a Perhaps "When a client intends to migrate to a new address, it prepares for the migration by...." > +A server validates a client's address by sending a PATH_CHALLENGE frame +containing a payload that is hard to guess to that address. The server +considers the address to be valid when a PATH_RESPONSE frame containing the same +payload is received from the client. + +Similarly, a client verifies the PMTU of a network path from a new client +address to the server by sending a PMTU-sized packet carrying a PATH_CHALLENGE +frame. The client considers the PMTU verified when a PATH_RESPONSE frame +containing the same payload sent by the server to the new client address is +received. + + +### Client Behavior {#migration-client} + +A client triggers connection migration to a new address by sending a +PATH_CHALLENGE as a probe or by switching to sending all packets to the new to => from. If you take the proposed change above, perhaps expand this to talk about unintended/unexpected address changes, in which case the client will just keep sending from whatever address it has to work with. > +considers the address to be valid when a PATH_RESPONSE frame containing the same +payload is received from the client. + +Similarly, a client verifies the PMTU of a network path from a new client +address to the server by sending a PMTU-sized packet carrying a PATH_CHALLENGE +frame. The client considers the PMTU verified when a PATH_RESPONSE frame +containing the same payload sent by the server to the new client address is +received. + + +### Client Behavior {#migration-client} + +A client triggers connection migration to a new address by sending a +PATH_CHALLENGE as a probe or by switching to sending all packets to the new +address. The client SHOULD do PMTU verification before considering migration +complete. The client also participates in an address validation that the server an => any > +### Client Behavior {#migration-client} + +A client triggers connection migration to a new address by sending a +PATH_CHALLENGE as a probe or by switching to sending all packets to the new +address. The client SHOULD do PMTU verification before considering migration +complete. The client also participates in an address validation that the server +may initiate to confirm the client's ownership of its address (see +{{migration-server}}). + +A client migrating to a new network might use a new connection ID for packets +sent from the new address, see {{migration-linkability}} for further discussion. + + +#### Verifying the PMTU + +When the client intends to use a new local address, it MAY establish server Or realizes that it is using a new path? But how does it do that, based on receipt of a PATH_CHALLENGE from the server? > +exactly 1200 octets unless the client has a reasonable assurance that the PMTU +is larger. Sending a packet of this size confirms that the network path from +the client to the server supports an MTU of this size. + +A client MAY send additional PATH_CHALLENGE frames to handle packet loss or to +get more measurements on the new network path, subject to the congestion +controller's limits {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. + +The client SHOULD use fresh random data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that it +can perform more accurate measurements by associating the server's response with +the causative PATH_CHALLENGE. + +When the client receives a PATH_RESPONSE from the server and verifies that the +included data matches the data it sent in a previous PATH_CHALLENGE, the server +is considered reachable from the new address and the PMTU of the new network +path is considered verified. "the PMTU is considered verified" is a little too binary here. You've mandated "exactly" 1200 bytes, which only verifies that 1200 is less than the PMTU. The client would actually need to do a series of increasingly-large packets with PATH_CHALLENGEs before it actually knows the PMTU. It might be worth integrating PATH_CHALLENGE into the existing PMTU section, referencing that, and simply saying that the client SHOULD re-probe PMTU whenever it becomes aware of a path change. > + +#### Responding to a Server's Validation + +A client may receive a PATH_CHALLENGE from a server that is validating the +client's ownership of its address, as described in {{migration-server}}. The +client MUST respond to this frame by echoing the data from the server's +PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame. + +A client's PATH_RESPONSE MAY be bundled with other frames and does not require +additional padding. + +A client MAY send more than one PATH_RESPONSE in response to a PATH_CHALLENGE, +as allowed by the congestion controller, to ensure that packet loss does not +unduly delay or cause failure of the server's validation process. + +A client may trigger the server's validation unwittingly when its public address Even with the non-caps "may" no longer being considered possibly normative, switching to "might" or "could" would probably still be clearer. > + +A client may receive a PATH_CHALLENGE from a server that is validating the +client's ownership of its address, as described in {{migration-server}}. The +client MUST respond to this frame by echoing the data from the server's +PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame. + +A client's PATH_RESPONSE MAY be bundled with other frames and does not require +additional padding. + +A client MAY send more than one PATH_RESPONSE in response to a PATH_CHALLENGE, +as allowed by the congestion controller, to ensure that packet loss does not +unduly delay or cause failure of the server's validation process. + +A client may trigger the server's validation unwittingly when its public address +changes, such as when a NAT rebinds the client's private address to a new public +address. Though the client may be oblivious of such an address change, it MUST "oblivious to", or "unaware of" > +A client may receive a PATH_CHALLENGE from a server that is validating the +client's ownership of its address, as described in {{migration-server}}. The +client MUST respond to this frame by echoing the data from the server's +PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame. + +A client's PATH_RESPONSE MAY be bundled with other frames and does not require +additional padding. + +A client MAY send more than one PATH_RESPONSE in response to a PATH_CHALLENGE, +as allowed by the congestion controller, to ensure that packet loss does not +unduly delay or cause failure of the server's validation process. + +A client may trigger the server's validation unwittingly when its public address +changes, such as when a NAT rebinds the client's private address to a new public +address. Though the client may be oblivious of such an address change, it MUST +respond to the consequent validation. Receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE from the "Consequent" is a totally cromulent word for this context, but it might be a mite opaque to some readers. > + +#### Responding to a Client's Probe + +When a server receives a PATH_CHALLENGE frame from a client, it MUST generate a +PATH_RESPONSE frame that contains the same data as the challenge. The server's +PATH_RESPONSE MUST be sent to the address from which the client's PATH_CHALLENGE +was received. + +The server sends the PATH_RESPONSE in a packet that is padded to no more than +the size of the client's packet carrying the PATH_CHALLENGE. The server SHOULD +pad the packet to the same size as the client's packet, unless the server has +reasonable assurance of a smaller PMTU. + +The server need not retransmit its PATH_RESPONSE, since it is the client's +responsibility to send more PATH_CHALLENGE frames when a response is not +received for a prior one. Making them not retransmittable risks false measures of PMTU, doesn't it? It becomes unclear to the other side whether a drop was random packet loss or the result of oversize datagrams. > +was received. + +The server sends the PATH_RESPONSE in a packet that is padded to no more than +the size of the client's packet carrying the PATH_CHALLENGE. The server SHOULD +pad the packet to the same size as the client's packet, unless the server has +reasonable assurance of a smaller PMTU. + +The server need not retransmit its PATH_RESPONSE, since it is the client's +responsibility to send more PATH_CHALLENGE frames when a response is not +received for a prior one. + +Servers MUST ignore a PATH_CHALLENGE frame from a client that is carried in a +packet smaller than 1200 octets in size. + + +#### Validating an Unvalidated Client Address {#migration-validate} Is the "unvalidated" in the title actually useful? Other than the "don't send other packets" restriction, is anything else about this flow different from revalidating a previously validated client address? > + +The server need not retransmit its PATH_RESPONSE, since it is the client's +responsibility to send more PATH_CHALLENGE frames when a response is not +received for a prior one. + +Servers MUST ignore a PATH_CHALLENGE frame from a client that is carried in a +packet smaller than 1200 octets in size. + + +#### Validating an Unvalidated Client Address {#migration-validate} + +Before sending any other packets to a client address that is not yet considered +valid, the server MUST send a PATH_CHALLENGE frame with its own validation data +to this address to verify the client's ownership of it. The server's +PATH_CHALLENGE MAY be bundled with other frames and does not require additional +padding. This feels odd. The server needs to re-probe PMTU as well; why no padding here? Why can you bundle other frames if you're not supposed to be sending traffic to this unverified client? You either need more symmetry here, or better explanation of why you're being asymmetric. > +Before sending any other packets to a client address that is not yet considered +valid, the server MUST send a PATH_CHALLENGE frame with its own validation data +to this address to verify the client's ownership of it. The server's +PATH_CHALLENGE MAY be bundled with other frames and does not require additional +padding. + +When the server receives a PATH_RESPONSE from a client and verifies that the +included data matches that sent by the server in a previous PATH_CHALLENGE to +the client, the server considers the client address to which the corresponding +PATH_CHALLENGE was sent as valid. + +A server MAY send additional PATH_CHALLENGE frames to handle packet loss, +subject to the congestion controller's limits. + +A PATH_CHALLENGE frame used for validation MUST contain at least 12 randomly +generated octets {{?RFC4086}}, making the payload sufficiently hard to guess. Seconded. Shouldn't this simply be in the definition of the PATH_CHALLENGE frame? > + +When the server receives a PATH_RESPONSE from a client and verifies that the +included data matches that sent by the server in a previous PATH_CHALLENGE to +the client, the server considers the client address to which the corresponding +PATH_CHALLENGE was sent as valid. + +A server MAY send additional PATH_CHALLENGE frames to handle packet loss, +subject to the congestion controller's limits. + +A PATH_CHALLENGE frame used for validation MUST contain at least 12 randomly +generated octets {{?RFC4086}}, making the payload sufficiently hard to guess. + +The server MUST use fresh random data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that it +can associate the client's response with the causative PATH_CHALLENGE. Not +using fresh random data risks exposing the server to an attacker defeating +validation by sending a spoofed PATH_RESPONSE from a victim's address. Clarify. The attacker (hopefully) can't spoof a PATH_RESPONSE, but could capture and replay one from a spoofed source address. > +A PATH_CHALLENGE frame used for validation MUST contain at least 12 randomly +generated octets {{?RFC4086}}, making the payload sufficiently hard to guess. + +The server MUST use fresh random data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that it +can associate the client's response with the causative PATH_CHALLENGE. Not +using fresh random data risks exposing the server to an attacker defeating +validation by sending a spoofed PATH_RESPONSE from a victim's address. + +Until a client address is deemed valid, the server MUST limit the rate at +which it sends data to this address. The server SHOULD NOT send more than an +initial window's worth of bytes (as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}}) per estimated +roundtrip period. In the absence of this limit, the server risks being used for +a denial of service attack against an unsuspecting victim. + +When validation of an address fails, the server SHOULD revert back to using the +last validated client address, absent which the server MUST close the connection How can this be absent? The client must have had a previously valid address, or we wouldn't have a connection. Now, it might be that the client can no longer receive traffic at that address, in which case the connection will time out anyway. Again, I'd refer to that section rather than trying to re-specify it here. > +validation token to the client ({{address-validation}}). + + +#### Committing to a New Address + +When a server receives a packet containing a frame other than PATH_CHALLENGE, +PATH_RESPONSE, or PADDING from a client address with a packet number that is the +largest seen thus far on the connection, the server "commits" to this client +address. The server MUST send all subsequent packets to this address, with the +following exception. PATH_CHALLENGE, PATH_RESPONSE, and PADDING frames are used +for probing a network path, and receiving only these frames MUST NOT cause the +server to commit to a new address. + +Receiving a packet from a new address but with a packet number that is not the +largest seen thus far suggests that a reordered packet was received and MUST NOT +cause the server to change its commitment. This is going to interact oddly with the NEW_CONNECTION_ID and packet number gap stuff. > -An endpoint MUST validate that its peer can receive packets at the new address -before sending any significant quantity of data to that address, or it risks -being used for denial of service. See {{migrate-validate}} for details. +### Loss Detection and Congestion Control + +There may be apparent reordering at the receiver when an endpoint sends data and +probes from/to multiple addresses during the migration period, since the two +resulting paths may have different rountrip times. A receiver of packets on round-trip > -An endpoint MUST validate that its peer can receive packets at the new address -before sending any significant quantity of data to that address, or it risks -being used for denial of service. See {{migrate-validate}} for details. +### Loss Detection and Congestion Control + +There may be apparent reordering at the receiver when an endpoint sends data and +probes from/to multiple addresses during the migration period, since the two +resulting paths may have different rountrip times. A receiver of packets on +multiple paths will still send ACK frames covering all received packets. + +Both endpoints use one congestion control and one loss recovery context, as "Each endpoint uses a single congestion control and loss recovery context...." > -An endpoint MUST validate that its peer can receive packets at the new address -before sending any significant quantity of data to that address, or it risks -being used for denial of service. See {{migrate-validate}} for details. +### Loss Detection and Congestion Control + +There may be apparent reordering at the receiver when an endpoint sends data and +probes from/to multiple addresses during the migration period, since the two +resulting paths may have different rountrip times. A receiver of packets on +multiple paths will still send ACK frames covering all received packets. + +Both endpoints use one congestion control and one loss recovery context, as +described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. A sender MAY make an exception for probe +packets so that their loss detection is independent and does not unduly cause Clarify "probe packets." PMTU probing? Address validation? Both? > @@ -1714,9 +1798,9 @@ state to draining, but it otherwise has no impact. An endpoint could receive packets from a new source address, indicating a connection migration ({{migration}}), while in the closing period. An endpoint in the closing state MUST strictly limit the number of packets it sends to this -new address as though the address were not validated (see {{migrate-validate}}). -A server in the closing state MAY instead choose to discard packets received -from a new source address. +new address as though the address were not validated (see I know this isn't new text, but why "as though the address were" rather than "since the address is not"? > @@ -2358,17 +2419,56 @@ Application Error Code: {{app-error-codes}}). +## PATH_CHALLENGE Frame {#frame-path-challenge} + +Endpoints can use PATH_CHALLENGE frames (type=0x0e) to check reachability to the +peer, to verify a new path's PMTU, and to perform address validation during +connection migration. Is PATH_CHALLENGE useful for PMTU validation once the address is known to be good? Why couldn't you simply rely on ACKs to tell you whether the packet got through or not? > + +~~~ + 0 1 2 3 + 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Length(8) | Data (*) ... ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +~~~ + +Length: + +: This 8-bit value describes the length of the Data field. + +Data: + +: This variable-length field contains arbitrary data. We already have a minimum. Is there a scenario in which a server would want it to be longer? > ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Length(8) | Data (*) ... ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +~~~ + +Length: + +: This 8-bit value describes the length of the Data field. + +Data: + +: This variable-length field contains arbitrary data. + + +The sender of this frame MUST include at least one octet of data in the Data +field. A larger minimum is provided above (eight octets, I think?). > +: This 8-bit value describes the length of the Data field. + +Data: + +: This variable-length field contains arbitrary data. + + +The sender of this frame MUST include at least one octet of data in the Data +field. + +The recipient of this frame MUST generate a PATH_RESPONSE frame +({{frame-path-response}}) containing the same Data. An endpoint that receives a +PATH_CHALLENGE frame containing an empty payload MUST generate a connection +error of type FRAME_ERROR, indicating the PATH_CHALLENGE frame (that is, 0x0e). + +A PATH_CHALLENGE frame MUST NOT elicit acknowledgements; the corresponding Frames don't get acknowledged; packets do. Does this mean that a packet containing a PATH_CHALLENGE MUST NOT be acknowledged? That's going to play merry hob with the loss recovery if you start putting actual data in there (padding with STREAM). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@MikeBishop requested changes on this pull request.

Thanks for the write-up -- I think it helps move in the right direction. I agree with Martin, though -- you have a lot more asymmetry here than seems necessary. We also have issues open around server-side migration, and this doesn't allow for that, even though it seems like it could do so with relatively little additional work.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +QUIC connections are identified by 64-bit connection IDs. QUIC's connection IDs
+allow connections to survive changes to the client's address (client's IP
+address and/or port), such as those caused by a client migrating to a new
+network or a NAT rebinding changing the client's public address.
+
+
+### Path Validation and PMTU Verification
+
+PATH_CHALLENGE ({{frame-path-challenge}}) and PATH_RESPONSE
+({{frame-path-response}}) frames MAY be used for validating that an endpoint
+owns an address, or to verify the PMTU to/from an address.
+
+A server validates a client's address by sending a PATH_CHALLENGE frame
+containing a payload that is hard to guess to that address.  The server
+considers the address to be valid when a PATH_RESPONSE frame containing the same
+payload is received from the client.

Does it have to come back from a particular address? Either way, perhaps say so.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+A server validates a client's address by sending a PATH_CHALLENGE frame
+containing a payload that is hard to guess to that address.  The server
+considers the address to be valid when a PATH_RESPONSE frame containing the same
+payload is received from the client.
+
+Similarly, a client verifies the PMTU of a network path from a new client
+address to the server by sending a PMTU-sized packet carrying a PATH_CHALLENGE
+frame. The client considers the PMTU verified when a PATH_RESPONSE frame
+containing the same payload sent by the server to the new client address is
+received.
+
+
+### Client Behavior {#migration-client}
+
+A client triggers connection migration to a new address by sending a

Perhaps "When a client intends to migrate to a new address, it prepares for the migration by...."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +A server validates a client's address by sending a PATH_CHALLENGE frame
+containing a payload that is hard to guess to that address.  The server
+considers the address to be valid when a PATH_RESPONSE frame containing the same
+payload is received from the client.
+
+Similarly, a client verifies the PMTU of a network path from a new client
+address to the server by sending a PMTU-sized packet carrying a PATH_CHALLENGE
+frame. The client considers the PMTU verified when a PATH_RESPONSE frame
+containing the same payload sent by the server to the new client address is
+received.
+
+
+### Client Behavior {#migration-client}
+
+A client triggers connection migration to a new address by sending a
+PATH_CHALLENGE as a probe or by switching to sending all packets to the new

to => from. If you take the proposed change above, perhaps expand this to talk about unintended/unexpected address changes, in which case the client will just keep sending from whatever address it has to work with.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +considers the address to be valid when a PATH_RESPONSE frame containing the same
+payload is received from the client.
+
+Similarly, a client verifies the PMTU of a network path from a new client
+address to the server by sending a PMTU-sized packet carrying a PATH_CHALLENGE
+frame. The client considers the PMTU verified when a PATH_RESPONSE frame
+containing the same payload sent by the server to the new client address is
+received.
+
+
+### Client Behavior {#migration-client}
+
+A client triggers connection migration to a new address by sending a
+PATH_CHALLENGE as a probe or by switching to sending all packets to the new
+address. The client SHOULD do PMTU verification before considering migration
+complete. The client also participates in an address validation that the server

an => any

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +### Client Behavior {#migration-client}
+
+A client triggers connection migration to a new address by sending a
+PATH_CHALLENGE as a probe or by switching to sending all packets to the new
+address. The client SHOULD do PMTU verification before considering migration
+complete. The client also participates in an address validation that the server
+may initiate to confirm the client's ownership of its address (see
+{{migration-server}}).
+
+A client migrating to a new network might use a new connection ID for packets
+sent from the new address, see {{migration-linkability}} for further discussion.
+
+
+#### Verifying the PMTU
+
+When the client intends to use a new local address, it MAY establish server

Or realizes that it is using a new path? But how does it do that, based on receipt of a PATH_CHALLENGE from the server?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +exactly 1200 octets unless the client has a reasonable assurance that the PMTU
+is larger.  Sending a packet of this size confirms that the network path from
+the client to the server supports an MTU of this size.
+
+A client MAY send additional PATH_CHALLENGE frames to handle packet loss or to
+get more measurements on the new network path, subject to the congestion
+controller's limits {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
+
+The client SHOULD use fresh random data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that it
+can perform more accurate measurements by associating the server's response with
+the causative PATH_CHALLENGE.
+
+When the client receives a PATH_RESPONSE from the server and verifies that the
+included data matches the data it sent in a previous PATH_CHALLENGE, the server
+is considered reachable from the new address and the PMTU of the new network
+path is considered verified.

"the PMTU is considered verified" is a little too binary here. You've mandated "exactly" 1200 bytes, which only verifies that 1200 is less than the PMTU. The client would actually need to do a series of increasingly-large packets with PATH_CHALLENGEs before it actually knows the PMTU. It might be worth integrating PATH_CHALLENGE into the existing PMTU section, referencing that, and simply saying that the client SHOULD re-probe PMTU whenever it becomes aware of a path change.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+#### Responding to a Server's Validation
+
+A client may receive a PATH_CHALLENGE from a server that is validating the
+client's ownership of its address, as described in {{migration-server}}. The
+client MUST respond to this frame by echoing the data from the server's
+PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame.
+
+A client's PATH_RESPONSE MAY be bundled with other frames and does not require
+additional padding.
+
+A client MAY send more than one PATH_RESPONSE in response to a PATH_CHALLENGE,
+as allowed by the congestion controller, to ensure that packet loss does not
+unduly delay or cause failure of the server's validation process.
+
+A client may trigger the server's validation unwittingly when its public address

Even with the non-caps "may" no longer being considered possibly normative, switching to "might" or "could" would probably still be clearer.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+A client may receive a PATH_CHALLENGE from a server that is validating the
+client's ownership of its address, as described in {{migration-server}}. The
+client MUST respond to this frame by echoing the data from the server's
+PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame.
+
+A client's PATH_RESPONSE MAY be bundled with other frames and does not require
+additional padding.
+
+A client MAY send more than one PATH_RESPONSE in response to a PATH_CHALLENGE,
+as allowed by the congestion controller, to ensure that packet loss does not
+unduly delay or cause failure of the server's validation process.
+
+A client may trigger the server's validation unwittingly when its public address
+changes, such as when a NAT rebinds the client's private address to a new public
+address.  Though the client may be oblivious of such an address change, it MUST

"oblivious to", or "unaware of"

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +A client may receive a PATH_CHALLENGE from a server that is validating the
+client's ownership of its address, as described in {{migration-server}}. The
+client MUST respond to this frame by echoing the data from the server's
+PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a PATH_RESPONSE frame.
+
+A client's PATH_RESPONSE MAY be bundled with other frames and does not require
+additional padding.
+
+A client MAY send more than one PATH_RESPONSE in response to a PATH_CHALLENGE,
+as allowed by the congestion controller, to ensure that packet loss does not
+unduly delay or cause failure of the server's validation process.
+
+A client may trigger the server's validation unwittingly when its public address
+changes, such as when a NAT rebinds the client's private address to a new public
+address.  Though the client may be oblivious of such an address change, it MUST
+respond to the consequent validation.  Receiving a PATH_CHALLENGE from the

"Consequent" is a totally cromulent word for this context, but it might be a mite opaque to some readers.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+#### Responding to a Client's Probe
+
+When a server receives a PATH_CHALLENGE frame from a client, it MUST generate a
+PATH_RESPONSE frame that contains the same data as the challenge. The server's
+PATH_RESPONSE MUST be sent to the address from which the client's PATH_CHALLENGE
+was received.
+
+The server sends the PATH_RESPONSE in a packet that is padded to no more than
+the size of the client's packet carrying the PATH_CHALLENGE.  The server SHOULD
+pad the packet to the same size as the client's packet, unless the server has
+reasonable assurance of a smaller PMTU.
+
+The server need not retransmit its PATH_RESPONSE, since it is the client's
+responsibility to send more PATH_CHALLENGE frames when a response is not
+received for a prior one.

Making them not retransmittable risks false measures of PMTU, doesn't it? It becomes unclear to the other side whether a drop was random packet loss or the result of oversize datagrams.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +was received.
+
+The server sends the PATH_RESPONSE in a packet that is padded to no more than
+the size of the client's packet carrying the PATH_CHALLENGE.  The server SHOULD
+pad the packet to the same size as the client's packet, unless the server has
+reasonable assurance of a smaller PMTU.
+
+The server need not retransmit its PATH_RESPONSE, since it is the client's
+responsibility to send more PATH_CHALLENGE frames when a response is not
+received for a prior one.
+
+Servers MUST ignore a PATH_CHALLENGE frame from a client that is carried in a
+packet smaller than 1200 octets in size.
+
+
+#### Validating an Unvalidated Client Address {#migration-validate}

Is the "unvalidated" in the title actually useful? Other than the "don't send other packets" restriction, is anything else about this flow different from revalidating a previously validated client address?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+The server need not retransmit its PATH_RESPONSE, since it is the client's
+responsibility to send more PATH_CHALLENGE frames when a response is not
+received for a prior one.
+
+Servers MUST ignore a PATH_CHALLENGE frame from a client that is carried in a
+packet smaller than 1200 octets in size.
+
+
+#### Validating an Unvalidated Client Address {#migration-validate}
+
+Before sending any other packets to a client address that is not yet considered
+valid, the server MUST send a PATH_CHALLENGE frame with its own validation data
+to this address to verify the client's ownership of it. The server's
+PATH_CHALLENGE MAY be bundled with other frames and does not require additional
+padding.

This feels odd. The server needs to re-probe PMTU as well; why no padding here? Why can you bundle other frames if you're not supposed to be sending traffic to this unverified client? You either need more symmetry here, or better explanation of why you're being asymmetric.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Before sending any other packets to a client address that is not yet considered
+valid, the server MUST send a PATH_CHALLENGE frame with its own validation data
+to this address to verify the client's ownership of it. The server's
+PATH_CHALLENGE MAY be bundled with other frames and does not require additional
+padding.
+
+When the server receives a PATH_RESPONSE from a client and verifies that the
+included data matches that sent by the server in a previous PATH_CHALLENGE to
+the client, the server considers the client address to which the corresponding
+PATH_CHALLENGE was sent as valid.
+
+A server MAY send additional PATH_CHALLENGE frames to handle packet loss,
+subject to the congestion controller's limits.
+
+A PATH_CHALLENGE frame used for validation MUST contain at least 12 randomly
+generated octets {{?RFC4086}}, making the payload sufficiently hard to guess.

Seconded. Shouldn't this simply be in the definition of the PATH_CHALLENGE frame?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+When the server receives a PATH_RESPONSE from a client and verifies that the
+included data matches that sent by the server in a previous PATH_CHALLENGE to
+the client, the server considers the client address to which the corresponding
+PATH_CHALLENGE was sent as valid.
+
+A server MAY send additional PATH_CHALLENGE frames to handle packet loss,
+subject to the congestion controller's limits.
+
+A PATH_CHALLENGE frame used for validation MUST contain at least 12 randomly
+generated octets {{?RFC4086}}, making the payload sufficiently hard to guess.
+
+The server MUST use fresh random data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that it
+can associate the client's response with the causative PATH_CHALLENGE.  Not
+using fresh random data risks exposing the server to an attacker defeating
+validation by sending a spoofed PATH_RESPONSE from a victim's address.

Clarify. The attacker (hopefully) can't spoof a PATH_RESPONSE, but could capture and replay one from a spoofed source address.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +A PATH_CHALLENGE frame used for validation MUST contain at least 12 randomly
+generated octets {{?RFC4086}}, making the payload sufficiently hard to guess.
+
+The server MUST use fresh random data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that it
+can associate the client's response with the causative PATH_CHALLENGE.  Not
+using fresh random data risks exposing the server to an attacker defeating
+validation by sending a spoofed PATH_RESPONSE from a victim's address.
+
+Until a client address is deemed valid, the server MUST limit the rate at
+which it sends data to this address. The server SHOULD NOT send more than an
+initial window's worth of bytes (as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}}) per estimated
+roundtrip period.  In the absence of this limit, the server risks being used for
+a denial of service attack against an unsuspecting victim.
+
+When validation of an address fails, the server SHOULD revert back to using the
+last validated client address, absent which the server MUST close the connection

How can this be absent? The client must have had a previously valid address, or we wouldn't have a connection. Now, it might be that the client can no longer receive traffic at that address, in which case the connection will time out anyway. Again, I'd refer to that section rather than trying to re-specify it here.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +validation token to the client ({{address-validation}}).
+
+
+#### Committing to a New Address
+
+When a server receives a packet containing a frame other than PATH_CHALLENGE,
+PATH_RESPONSE, or PADDING from a client address with a packet number that is the
+largest seen thus far on the connection, the server "commits" to this client
+address. The server MUST send all subsequent packets to this address, with the
+following exception.  PATH_CHALLENGE, PATH_RESPONSE, and PADDING frames are used
+for probing a network path, and receiving only these frames MUST NOT cause the
+server to commit to a new address.
+
+Receiving a packet from a new address but with a packet number that is not the
+largest seen thus far suggests that a reordered packet was received and MUST NOT
+cause the server to change its commitment.

This is going to interact oddly with the NEW_CONNECTION_ID and packet number gap stuff.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-An endpoint MUST validate that its peer can receive packets at the new address
-before sending any significant quantity of data to that address, or it risks
-being used for denial of service.  See {{migrate-validate}} for details.
+### Loss Detection and Congestion Control
+
+There may be apparent reordering at the receiver when an endpoint sends data and
+probes from/to multiple addresses during the migration period, since the two
+resulting paths may have different rountrip times.  A receiver of packets on

round-trip

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-An endpoint MUST validate that its peer can receive packets at the new address
-before sending any significant quantity of data to that address, or it risks
-being used for denial of service.  See {{migrate-validate}} for details.
+### Loss Detection and Congestion Control
+
+There may be apparent reordering at the receiver when an endpoint sends data and
+probes from/to multiple addresses during the migration period, since the two
+resulting paths may have different rountrip times.  A receiver of packets on
+multiple paths will still send ACK frames covering all received packets.
+
+Both endpoints use one congestion control and one loss recovery context, as

"Each endpoint uses a single congestion control and loss recovery context...."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-An endpoint MUST validate that its peer can receive packets at the new address
-before sending any significant quantity of data to that address, or it risks
-being used for denial of service.  See {{migrate-validate}} for details.
+### Loss Detection and Congestion Control
+
+There may be apparent reordering at the receiver when an endpoint sends data and
+probes from/to multiple addresses during the migration period, since the two
+resulting paths may have different rountrip times.  A receiver of packets on
+multiple paths will still send ACK frames covering all received packets.
+
+Both endpoints use one congestion control and one loss recovery context, as
+described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.  A sender MAY make an exception for probe
+packets so that their loss detection is independent and does not unduly cause

Clarify "probe packets." PMTU probing? Address validation? Both?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1714,9 +1798,9 @@ state to draining, but it otherwise has no impact.
 An endpoint could receive packets from a new source address, indicating a
 connection migration ({{migration}}), while in the closing period. An endpoint
 in the closing state MUST strictly limit the number of packets it sends to this
-new address as though the address were not validated (see {{migrate-validate}}).
-A server in the closing state MAY instead choose to discard packets received
-from a new source address.
+new address as though the address were not validated (see

I know this isn't new text, but why "as though the address were" rather than "since the address is not"?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2358,17 +2419,56 @@ Application Error Code:
   {{app-error-codes}}).
 
 
+## PATH_CHALLENGE Frame {#frame-path-challenge}
+
+Endpoints can use PATH_CHALLENGE frames (type=0x0e) to check reachability to the
+peer, to verify a new path's PMTU, and to perform address validation during
+connection migration.

Is PATH_CHALLENGE useful for PMTU validation once the address is known to be good? Why couldn't you simply rely on ACKs to tell you whether the packet got through or not?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+~~~
+ 0                   1                   2                   3
+ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|   Length(8)   |                 Data (*)                    ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~
+
+Length:
+
+: This 8-bit value describes the length of the Data field.
+
+Data:
+
+: This variable-length field contains arbitrary data.

We already have a minimum. Is there a scenario in which a server would want it to be longer?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+|   Length(8)   |                 Data (*)                    ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~
+
+Length:
+
+: This 8-bit value describes the length of the Data field.
+
+Data:
+
+: This variable-length field contains arbitrary data.
+
+
+The sender of this frame MUST include at least one octet of data in the Data
+field.

A larger minimum is provided above (eight octets, I think?).

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +: This 8-bit value describes the length of the Data field.
+
+Data:
+
+: This variable-length field contains arbitrary data.
+
+
+The sender of this frame MUST include at least one octet of data in the Data
+field.
+
+The recipient of this frame MUST generate a PATH_RESPONSE frame
+({{frame-path-response}}) containing the same Data.  An endpoint that receives a
+PATH_CHALLENGE frame containing an empty payload MUST generate a connection
+error of type FRAME_ERROR, indicating the PATH_CHALLENGE frame (that is, 0x0e).
+
+A PATH_CHALLENGE frame MUST NOT elicit acknowledgements; the corresponding

Frames don't get acknowledged; packets do. Does this mean that a packet containing a PATH_CHALLENGE MUST NOT be acknowledged? That's going to play merry hob with the loss recovery if you start putting actual data in there (padding with STREAM).

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  • PMTU probing is getting conflated with validating the path. I'd sugges= t that the path be validated with packets of QUIC's minimum PMTU (1200, yes= ?), and client and server can probe for a higher PMTU after transitioning.<= /li>
  • You can make the logic of validating / responding to validation generic= from client to server and just talk about in what circumstances you would = validate.
  • There's no mention of server address changes here. Whether it's a serv= er handing off from an anycast handshake to a unicast address for the rest = of the session, or it's a peer-to-peer HTTP connection, we should have a pl= an (even if that plan is to wait for v2). It seems like you'd need one add= itional frame, PATH_SUGGEST, which tells the other party it should attempt = to validate the supplied address (since a server couldn't get traffic throu= gh a NAT if it just started sending packets from its new address).

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+#### Responding to a Client's Probe
+
+When a server receives a PATH_CHALLENGE frame from a client, it MUST generate a
+PATH_RESPONSE frame that contains the same data as the challenge. The server's
+PATH_RESPONSE MUST be sent to the address from which the client's PATH_CHALLENGE
+was received.
+
+The server sends the PATH_RESPONSE in a packet that is padded to no more than
+the size of the client's packet carrying the PATH_CHALLENGE.  The server SHOULD
+pad the packet to the same size as the client's packet, unless the server has
+reasonable assurance of a smaller PMTU.
+
+The server need not retransmit its PATH_RESPONSE, since it is the client's
+responsibility to send more PATH_CHALLENGE frames when a response is not
+received for a prior one.

Is there sufficient text for guidance on how to handle a path that reverts to smaller PMTU during normal operation? I imagine a large stream frame in eternal futile retransmission because it isn't split into smaller frames in smaller packets.

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its an interesting point .. but it seems "don't do that" might be reason= able advice given that you're not going to very successfully partition a sm= all connection window over a really short period of time anyhow.

a less attractive option is "we can fix that with a frame because aftera= ll the other ones are covered by frames" out there too I guess..

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@Mike= Bishop : Thanks for the feedback. I think I might redo the PR as symm= etric endpoints instead of server/client, which might resolve some issues= ... we did that earlier because it was easier to reason about in the earl= ier designs, but the current version actually lends itself nicely to symm= etry, I think. At any rate, I'll give it a shot.

Separately, PMTU probing is kinda necessary before sending on the path= -- we don't know what the path's MTU is. This is equivalent to the first= client packet and server packets being padded to PMTU size.

I deliberately did not mention server address changes here because I d= id not want to conflate these two features and make this PR even bigger. = It's not a big enough delta to be put off until v2 and it is super useful= , but I figured I'd do that after getting client migration in. We do have= #560 to trac= k the server address change in the meanwhile.

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We did that because it was easier to reason about in the earlier designs, but the current version actually lends itself nicely to symmetry, I think. At any rate, let me try that first. > + +A server validates a client's address by sending a PATH_CHALLENGE frame +containing a payload that is hard to guess to that address. The server +considers the address to be valid when a PATH_RESPONSE frame containing the same +payload is received from the client. + +Similarly, a client verifies the PMTU of a network path from a new client +address to the server by sending a PMTU-sized packet carrying a PATH_CHALLENGE +frame. The client considers the PMTU verified when a PATH_RESPONSE frame +containing the same payload sent by the server to the new client address is +received. + + +### Client Behavior {#migration-client} + +A client triggers connection migration to a new address by sending a Oops -- yes it doesn't. Will fix. > +frame. The client considers the PMTU verified when a PATH_RESPONSE frame +containing the same payload sent by the server to the new client address is +received. + + +### Client Behavior {#migration-client} + +A client triggers connection migration to a new address by sending a +PATH_CHALLENGE as a probe or by switching to sending all packets to the new +address. The client SHOULD do PMTU verification before considering migration +complete. The client also participates in an address validation that the server +may initiate to confirm the client's ownership of its address (see +{{migration-server}}). + +A client migrating to a new network might use a new connection ID for packets +sent from the new address, see {{migration-linkability}} for further discussion. Probes are just packets, and are not treated any differently, so they follow the same rules for connection ID and packet numbers as specified in the linkability section. > +can perform more accurate measurements by associating the server's response with +the causative PATH_CHALLENGE. + +When the client receives a PATH_RESPONSE from the server and verifies that the +included data matches the data it sent in a previous PATH_CHALLENGE, the server +is considered reachable from the new address and the PMTU of the new network +path is considered verified. + +A client SHOULD abandon the new address if it does not receive a PATH_RESPONSE +after sending some number of PATH_CHALLENGE frames and/or after some time has +passed. Note that the client may be receiving data from the server during this +period, but not receiving a PATH_RESPONSE may be indicative of a PMTU detection +failure. + + +#### Responding to a Server's Validation So I chose to structure it like this because it's easier to see how to implement such a thing. If it's useful to contextualize, I can add more text in the common text up at the top of this section. Validation can be described separately, but in this description, it's only used for the server to validate a client's new address. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1012#pullrequestreview-83074498 ----==_mimepart_5a3229ea95eae_3ba63f8df8e5af2c1999fa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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@martinthomson : I'm going to try to unify the mechanisms and make this client/server agnostic, which might resolve some issues. We did that because it was easier to reason about in the earlier designs, but the current version actually lends itself nicely to symmetry, I think. At any rate, let me try that first.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+A server validates a client's address by sending a PATH_CHALLENGE frame
+containing a payload that is hard to guess to that address.  The server
+considers the address to be valid when a PATH_RESPONSE frame containing the same
+payload is received from the client.
+
+Similarly, a client verifies the PMTU of a network path from a new client
+address to the server by sending a PMTU-sized packet carrying a PATH_CHALLENGE
+frame. The client considers the PMTU verified when a PATH_RESPONSE frame
+containing the same payload sent by the server to the new client address is
+received.
+
+
+### Client Behavior {#migration-client}
+
+A client triggers connection migration to a new address by sending a

Oops -- yes it doesn't. Will fix.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +frame. The client considers the PMTU verified when a PATH_RESPONSE frame
+containing the same payload sent by the server to the new client address is
+received.
+
+
+### Client Behavior {#migration-client}
+
+A client triggers connection migration to a new address by sending a
+PATH_CHALLENGE as a probe or by switching to sending all packets to the new
+address. The client SHOULD do PMTU verification before considering migration
+complete. The client also participates in an address validation that the server
+may initiate to confirm the client's ownership of its address (see
+{{migration-server}}).
+
+A client migrating to a new network might use a new connection ID for packets
+sent from the new address, see {{migration-linkability}} for further discussion.

Probes are just packets, and are not treated any differently, so they follow the same rules for connection ID and packet numbers as specified in the linkability section.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +can perform more accurate measurements by associating the server's response with
+the causative PATH_CHALLENGE.
+
+When the client receives a PATH_RESPONSE from the server and verifies that the
+included data matches the data it sent in a previous PATH_CHALLENGE, the server
+is considered reachable from the new address and the PMTU of the new network
+path is considered verified.
+
+A client SHOULD abandon the new address if it does not receive a PATH_RESPONSE
+after sending some number of PATH_CHALLENGE frames and/or after some time has
+passed. Note that the client may be receiving data from the server during this
+period, but not receiving a PATH_RESPONSE may be indicative of a PMTU detection
+failure.
+
+
+#### Responding to a Server's Validation

So I chose to structure it like this because it's easier to see how to implement such a thing. If it's useful to contextualize, I can add more text in the common text up at the top of this section.

Validation can be described separately, but in this description, it's only used for the server to validate a client's new address.

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The initial_max_stream_data transport parameter governs three types of stream data:

  • data received on unidirectional streams initiated by a peer
  • data received on bidirectional streams initiated by a peer
  • data received on bidirectional streams initiated by this endpoint

These are currently all controlled by the same transport parameter. We should consider whether having multiple transport parameters is desirable. Obviously, having more is desirable, and I could see a fairly good case for just relying on MAX_STREAM_DATA for the last of these, but for streams that are remotely initiated, that is less directly useful. It seems likely that streams used for different purposes will have different constraints.

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If 0-RTT data is accepted by the server, the server MUST NOT reduce any limits or alter any values that might be violated by the client with its 0-RTT data. In particular, a server that accepts 0-RTT data MUST NOT set values for initial_max_data or initial_max_stream_data that are smaller than the remembered value of those parameters. Similarly, a server MUST NOT reduce the value of initial_max_stream_id_bidi or initial_max_stream_id_uni. If the server provides small values for the 0-RTT flight and the client discovers after 1-RTT that it can be more aggressive now, great! If the server wants to reduce values, then it can't accept 0-RTT with larger numbers. @mcmanus, is the concern here that it's harder to fish the values out of the NST message than out of the handshake for some reason? That seems like TLS library implementation feedback primarily. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In the current spec, the server only accepts 0-RTT if it's going to ne= gotiate the same or larger values:

A server MAY accept 0-RTT and subsequently provide different values fo= r transport parameters for use in the new connection. If 0-RTT data is ac= cepted by the server, the server MUST NOT reduce any limits or alter any = values that might be violated by the client with its 0-RTT data. In parti= cular, a server that accepts 0-RTT data MUST NOT set values for initial_m= ax_data or initial_max_stream_data that are smaller than the remembered v= alue of those parameters. Similarly, a server MUST NOT reduce the value o= f initial_max_stream_id_bidi or initial_max_stream_id_uni.

If the server provides small values for the 0-RTT flight and the clien= t discovers after 1-RTT that it can be more aggressive now, great! If th= e server wants to reduce values, then it can't accept 0-RTT with larger n= umbers.

@mcmanus= , is the concern here that it's harder to fish the values out of the = NST message than out of the handshake for some reason? That seems like T= LS library implementation feedback primarily.

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= ----==_mimepart_5a32dd3dc62f3_2a3e73ff939102f3081464-- From nobody Thu Dec 14 14:51:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA76C127005 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 14:51:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.395 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.395 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KvoAtLCvCkls for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 14:51:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0800A1242F5 for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 14:51:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=0Nh25oout860xY7u1V4UbKHnvco=; b=iP+QfkNEKZOB40ZF 47c70s21kCRJ5UXGUtLTlNCKArdCtAr8NwbJoHniAkBjvVezsRgHiSa2qqTb4PSE FoTHiedVxfwigFU7gwBBeu6cQie3kYF2XuYnSro/oNjg4iBp+wJ81x/ffdcLbeB7 NzaC5T5pLCeFE0yMVz5FUhTfUns= Received: by filter0533p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0533p1las1-29624-5A33005E-1E 2017-12-14 22:51:10.835675672 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0017p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id oTGryy_ZSUqzRdSQdUiDyA for ; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 22:51:10.717 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 22:51:10 +0000 (UTC) From: Praveen Balasubramanian Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include ACK delay in RTO computations (#981) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a33005e94f7b_44333ffd3022ef305087dc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: pravb X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1iPSnBoH/x4tH8uKEyK7mol0zpcgl+xGirYo aXgKRKm7/WSY9UUBg/YKe9CYzWVJN1t5WurqwEbIBfOsZ7jVsHR+p5jdbkcXyzrweYSp/ItnCDDP5x 5wi3ZyXqWhKhh+etnLqIYQU7pu79BRHGS9bzLocXWTCveaGjzLiCYAH0LAtKRL1I//ZNaHmG9kp9ko s= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 22:51:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a33005e94f7b_44333ffd3022ef305087dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> replace it by the first observed value when it comes We don't know if the first observed value includes a time for a delayed ACK timeout. In fact sender won't know the timeout until the receiver decides to delay the ACK which depends on the ACK generation algorithm. So minrto may remain aggressive based on just using RTT until that happens? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/981#issuecomment-351860471 ----==_mimepart_5a33005e94f7b_44333ffd3022ef305087dc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

replace it by the first observed value when it comes
We don't know if the first observed value includes a time for a delayed ACK= timeout. In fact sender won't know the timeout until the receiver decides = to delay the ACK which depends on the ACK generation algorithm. So minrto m= ay remain aggressive based on just using RTT until that happens?

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@pravb= : That seems appropriate, doesn't it?

You can get a max(ack_delays) to find out the max that the receiver ha= s delayed by in the past, and use that to predict. This has all the same = problems of predicting based on past values, but if a max is specified, t= hen a receiver can prime the sender's minRTO by delayed a few acks delibe= rately to the max timeout it believes it will do.

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Is there a way to know that extra HelloRetryRequests originate from the = initial Client packet, and not as a result of the client trying to connect = again, but still fails? In the first case additional retry packets should b= e dropped, but in the second case the connection should probably by aborted= . Or can this simply be dealt with by the triving eventually timing out on = connection attempts?

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Question: Since the ability to change how minRTO is calculated is a big = motivation here, possibly we should do that now?

QUIC initially specifies that the handshake timer should be armed and th= e RTO timer should not, so the RTO will never fire until the handshake comp= letes, which may provide enough time to get a reasonable estimate of RTT, R= TTVar and max ack delay? At which point, the Min RTO could be removed enti= rely now that RTO includes a max ack delay term?

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I'm personally strongly in favor of eliminating minRTO for QUIC in parti= cular, but let's make that a separate discussion (because that might turn i= nto a flamewar). I don't think we should do that on this bug.

I'll file a new bug.

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Given that (i) the cost of a spurious RTO is substantially reduced in QUIC, (ii) we have the ability to track the receiver's delayed ack timeout as discussed in #981, and (iii) QUIC is strongly leaning towards being latency-sensitive, we should consider eliminating the fixed minimum RTO for QUIC in its RTO computations. Argument follows. [RFC 6298](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6298) for TCP conservatively uses a 1 second minimum RTO, and the QUIC recovery draft uses 200 ms since that's what Linux TCP does. A fixed minimum RTO is used in TCP (and by inheritance, in QUIC) to protect a sender from the cost of spurious RTOs. See [RFC 6298, rule 2.4 in section 2](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6298#section-2): "Research suggests that a large minimum RTO is needed to keep TCP conservative and avoid spurious retransmissions [AP99]". Spurious RTOs can occur due to several reasons, for instance (i) delayed ack timeout at the receiver is not always sampled in the RTT measurements, so minRTO provides protection at the sender, or (ii) the RTO computation uses EWMAs, which always lag, causing spurious RTOs when the underlying network RTT increases. AIUI, the primary reason to avoid spurious RTOs in RFC 6298 is the cost of an RTO firing, which hurts sender performance by reducing the congestion window to 1 MSS. (There are secondary costs of additional load on the network, but that's not debilitating, since TLP demonstrates that this load is manageable.) QUIC's loss recovery does not suffer this problem because the sender handles spurious RTO detection as part of its loss recovery logic. Specifically, QUIC does not reduce the congestion window to 1 on an RTO, but reduces it if the RTO is verified to be real, when an ACK is received for the retransmission but not the transmission. Alternatively, if an ACK for an earlier packet is received after an RTO fires, the RTO is considered spurious and does not cause the sender to reduce its congestion window. See [Section 3.3.2 of the draft-ietf-quic-recovery]((https://quicwg.github.io/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.html#rfc.section.3.3.2)). A minimum RTO potentially imposes a fixed latency cost on loss recovery and on detecting path failures. Additionally, a minimum RTO imposes a fixed wait time independent of the underlying network, which causes performance issues on networks with smaller RTTs (see the [MAD proposal for TCP](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-tcpm-low-latency-opt)). Given that (i) the cost of a spurious RTO is substantially reduced in QUIC, (ii) we have the ability to track the receiver's delayed ack timeout as discussed in #981, and (iii) QUIC is strongly leaning towards being latency-sensitive, I propose that we consider removing the fixed minimum RTO for QUIC in its RTO computations. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1017 ----==_mimepart_5a34289384cf3_177c3fd8522ecf38120283 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

TL;DR: QUIC currently uses a minimum RTO of 200ms. Given that (i) the cost of a spurious RTO is substantially reduced in QUIC, (ii) we have the ability to track the receiver's delayed ack timeout as discussed in #981, and (iii) QUIC is strongly leaning towards being latency-sensitive, we should consider eliminating the fixed minimum RTO for QUIC in its RTO computations. Argument follows.

RFC 6298 for TCP conservatively uses a 1 second minimum RTO, and the QUIC recovery draft uses 200 ms since that's what Linux TCP does. A fixed minimum RTO is used in TCP (and by inheritance, in QUIC) to protect a sender from the cost of spurious RTOs. See RFC 6298, rule 2.4 in section 2: "Research suggests that a large minimum RTO is needed to keep TCP conservative and avoid spurious retransmissions [AP99]".

Spurious RTOs can occur due to several reasons, for instance (i) delayed ack timeout at the receiver is not always sampled in the RTT measurements, so minRTO provides protection at the sender, or (ii) the RTO computation uses EWMAs, which always lag, causing spurious RTOs when the underlying network RTT increases.

AIUI, the primary reason to avoid spurious RTOs in RFC 6298 is the cost of an RTO firing, which hurts sender performance by reducing the congestion window to 1 MSS. (There are secondary costs of additional load on the network, but that's not debilitating, since TLP demonstrates that this load is manageable.)

QUIC's loss recovery does not suffer this problem because the sender handles spurious RTO detection as part of its loss recovery logic. Specifically, QUIC does not reduce the congestion window to 1 on an RTO, but reduces it if the RTO is verified to be real, when an ACK is received for the retransmission but not the transmission. Alternatively, if an ACK for an earlier packet is received after an RTO fires, the RTO is considered spurious and does not cause the sender to reduce its congestion window. See Section 3.3.2 of the draft-ietf-quic-recovery.

A minimum RTO potentially imposes a fixed latency cost on loss recovery and on detecting path failures. Additionally, a minimum RTO imposes a fixed wait time independent of the underlying network, which causes performance issues on networks with smaller RTTs (see the MAD proposal for TCP).

Given that (i) the cost of a spurious RTO is substantially reduced in QUIC, (ii) we have the ability to track the receiver's delayed ack timeout as discussed in #981, and (iii) QUIC is strongly leaning towards being latency-sensitive, I propose that we consider removing the fixed minimum RTO for QUIC in its RTO computations.

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----==_mimepart_5a34289384cf3_177c3fd8522ecf38120283-- From nobody Fri Dec 15 12:13:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F81129427 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 12:13:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jt2wGyCc-ib2 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 12:13:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext8.iad.github.net [192.30.252.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7908F128CDB for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 12:13:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 12:13:04 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1513368784; bh=1Hw6u4GdJKf24bJbHlja1XT6E05bioqsOcsRvl+r7kQ=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=1X+WUilLm/heiY4IkLBU1Qe2FfRy8S8swiJAxUqW7mdmCqJ/UB9z2I3ZoCIwKpndw 1dlAOQJnBachZBlcwf4H0pqmITkkXUxBbwlAtI5i5F7e24QckZqAgenyrdxMuKkcgF 7wRonW7S8+w1sYXfqJmWZ26MJs1yUup+5y16raWc= From: Praveen Balasubramanian Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include ACK delay in RTO computations (#981) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a342cd0d41ec_2b743f85b2700f2c1151a5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: pravb X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 20:13:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a342cd0d41ec_2b743f85b2700f2c1151a5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar: priming deliberate ACK delays seems suboptimal to me. I agree MAD doesn't allow for adaptation and I like that QUIC is incorporating that but I still am not convinced that we don't need a seed value. Maybe we should first close on #1017 and come back here. Lol I hope it will not be a flame war if it is well justified. Maybe orthogonal but I would like us to aim for a design goal of fair sharing between QUIC and a TCP flow on the same bottleneck link since we are going to live with both protocols coexisting for a long time to come. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/981#issuecomment-352100759 ----==_mimepart_5a342cd0d41ec_2b743f85b2700f2c1151a5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@jan= aiyengar: priming deliberate ACK delays seems suboptimal to me. I agr= ee MAD doesn't allow for adaptation and I like that QUIC is incorporating= that but I still am not convinced that we don't need a seed value. Maybe= we should first close on #1017 and come back here.

Lol I hope it will not be a flame war if it is well justified. Maybe o= rthogonal but I would like us to aim for a design goal of fair sharing be= tween QUIC and a TCP flow on the same bottleneck link since we are going = to live with both protocols coexisting for a long time to come.

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= ----==_mimepart_5a342cd0d41ec_2b743f85b2700f2c1151a5-- From nobody Fri Dec 15 12:23:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA06E124F57 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 12:22:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3RGY4pneDZEZ for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 12:22:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D94C2124D6C for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 12:22:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=0JoGY7g4GP94oWhO/oz6y5WxSlQ=; b=kStDeTL1NclJ9e3m U33R/ZsoRcWuQaF3fBwMmBZAYDXeDW2nex+9x/trfzzs3LT8XVDtsbwayE1Rh4qU HX9pPTBopnLYMmebu9pc5PdBKkXdamxRJ+8R05sQje0zv/iLO8BDMyOg3nQ+yIAO 3r82lv8gg096Kf7JMPF+iGkTXgE= Received: by filter0428p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0428p1mdw1-6022-5A342F1D-3F 2017-12-15 20:22:53.917016726 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0017p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id O4xSYukHQjKflxn1l6q4aw for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 20:22:53.801 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 20:22:54 +0000 (UTC) From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include ACK delay in RTO computations (#981) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a342f1db79e5_4f923ff524c8af3834433"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2dbwk0UHCqiNbmSObkLpjjeq8AKiCu6pxoGG Og2VHF5+ckhv+sbKlq4oZ52kjJcW95k2nzdEX2v+GIs5dF3K0a1NcwFO+c58vdSnTLzlSGlul3jVVk RJf/bSKhuuZchYCgguZnKxfdh0IJPgvLx9JauWL95u6T0bgtM+24YTCm84frIRy/ZBOHha9Un1lO1F s= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 20:23:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a342f1db79e5_4f923ff524c8af3834433 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett@ suggested earlier that we use a transport param, similar to MAD, which we can still do to prime the peer. The peer can still run a max estimator but explicitly primed via this param. I think I'd be fine with that. I was kidding about the flamewar :-) but I do think that discussion is separate. I don't think we need to resolve #1017 before wrapping up this one... we can retain a fixed minRTO, and use the max of ack delays for the RTO computation as discussed here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/981#issuecomment-352102851 ----==_mimepart_5a342f1db79e5_4f923ff524c8af3834433 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

ianswett@ suggested earlier that we use a transport param, similar to MA= D, which we can still do to prime the peer. The peer can still run a max es= timator but explicitly primed via this param. I think I'd be fine with that= .

I was kidding about the flamewar :-) but I do think that discussion is = separate. I don't think we need to resolve #1017 before wrapping up this one... we can retain = a fixed minRTO, and use the max of ack delays for the RTO computation as di= scussed here.

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Strongly agree with this proposal.

I think communicating MAD is very important to replace this. There could= be a case that a sender decided to set their RTO too low due to a receiver= delaying ACKs. I anticipate that this might happen right after the handsha= ke because handshake packets would be acked usually immediately thus settin= g RTO close to the RTT, however after handshake the receiver might start de= laying acks for regular data.

Another case is if a spurious RTO triggers an ACK from the receiver QUIC= would only get an RTT sample from the ack of the RTO instead of getting th= e sample from the original packet. So it seems important to include ack del= ay into the RTO computations.

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----==_mimepart_5a343a98af08b_45143f991011af381624f3-- From nobody Fri Dec 15 13:13:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 208A4127058 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 13:13:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.474 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.474 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PfXQg6cBPvcu for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 13:13:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 00B36124F57 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 13:13:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=ZSiH/h/l8UHjL3SeI9mUxTA9Nt4=; b=m2q8tQiU1GvIsgZQ g9aDLxzyLtrQdMJs1dHbqI1iv5BJZ+B1Iaa9QbmwYb7nkNlLLVYpmsjoGp81THT7 yb+LHGFgXmbRHq4JdYCl694lxz3rZGDbo/+9WveMV8jF1VLP5PK91iW7Qne3cC03 mlOWHbQ/h2wx8IwUdiYI6HLc/eg= Received: by filter0507p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0507p1mdw1-8732-5A343AD0-12 2017-12-15 21:12:48.521066156 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0010p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id RK0taYBcT1yqpGhNsFLcEg for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 21:12:48.527 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 21:12:48 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rework denial of service on unprotected packets (#908) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a343ad06ed78_26013fa18368cf2c14887c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0M49q24Cu0r5I2wx/DBEug00p0/wRWOyk5W9 Wsm895Wv1kQWVc2cLjBLfPWJbG2nIwJFvfYEp/NQzbjNiqnMo9HWmQm39al+LsHFacQ8GiSIHxINuK B8+Qfk4WSJnzcXhf6t2WFcmUdM96B7GGfOBK4Vd7nvJfEp5THslhJ/VX4XS7VOsqkEvNtJ4ZSbppIR I= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 21:13:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a343ad06ed78_26013fa18368cf2c14887c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Definitely another PR for the other one. That would need an idea on how we might do that protection. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/908#issuecomment-352113035 ----==_mimepart_5a343ad06ed78_26013fa18368cf2c14887c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Definitely another PR for the other one. That would need an idea on how we might do that protection.

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Fri, 15 Dec 2017 21:11:49 -0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 13:11:48 -0800 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5a343a945e924_742b2b2028881c1092082@hookshot-fe-cace476.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 05fc9f: Rework denial of service on unprotected packets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a343a945e4ca_742b2b2028881c10919f1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 21:21:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a343a945e4ca_742b2b2028881c10919f1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/hs-error Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 05fc9fcb791561557a89192d399d402c00c80f6d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/05fc9fcb791561557a89192d399d402c00c80f6d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-11-09 (Thu, 09 Nov 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Rework denial of service on unprotected packets Commit: 66413cb90f08066b100e57f8ac53c2045059d1d3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/66413cb90f08066b100e57f8ac53c2045059d1d3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-12-15 (Fri, 15 Dec 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #908 from quicwg/dos-unprotected Rework denial of service on unprotected packets Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/bd75555956d1...66413cb90f08 ----==_mimepart_5a343a945e4ca_742b2b2028881c10919f1-- From nobody Fri Dec 15 15:57:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5B71241FC for ; 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(#941) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a34615de69b0_1f7e3ffd938ccf2811932e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 23:57:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a34615de69b0_1f7e3ffd938ccf2811932e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I realize that I was the one to be persuaded that this cross-protocol resumption is a good idea, but I've since concluded that unless we revise ALPN, this is unwise. This is not a problem at all if you intend to do simple resumption without 0-RTT, but it gets complicated thereafter. The way that TLS works assumes that the ALPN value is remembered by the server (note that remembering often means embedding it in the ticket, that detail doesn't matter here). It uses this remembered value to decide what protocol the client is speaking. If it accepts 0-RTT, it assumes that the protocol hasn't change. The server also can't change the protocol if it accepts 0-RTT. We created an equivalency between h2/TLS and hq/QUIC in the quic-tls draft. That seems like a great idea until you consider the potential for a similar equivalency between h2 and hqv2 (or whatever we call the next version). A client that makes a QUIC connection and resumes from h2 might advertise [hq, hqv2] in its handshake, and the server has to assume that the packets are hq. In other words, the equivalency is 1-1. That limits our ability to deploy new protocol versions. The same considerations apply in the reverse direction. I think that we should drop this feature and instead develop a new document that describes two things: * explicit advertisement of support for different protocols for 0-RTT. That might use ALPN in the NewSessionTicket message, or a new extension. * a means of the client signaling which of the selected protocols it is using for early data. This might be as simple as saying that the first entry in ALPN is what is in use, or it could use a new extension. That sort of design has the virtue of restricting the resumption to TLS 1.3 or higher as well. (BTW, I thought that we had a hard rule about keeping the version the same for resumption.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I realize that I was the one to be persuaded that this cross-protocol = resumption is a good idea, but I've since concluded that unless we revise= ALPN, this is unwise.

This is not a problem at all if you intend to do simple resumption wit= hout 0-RTT, but it gets complicated thereafter.

The way that TLS works assumes that the ALPN value is remembered by th= e server (note that remembering often means embedding it in the ticket, t= hat detail doesn't matter here). It uses this remembered value to decide= what protocol the client is speaking. If it accepts 0-RTT, it assumes t= hat the protocol hasn't change. The server also can't change the protoco= l if it accepts 0-RTT.

We created an equivalency between h2/TLS and hq/QUIC in the quic-tls d= raft. That seems like a great idea until you consider the potential for = a similar equivalency between h2 and hqv2 (or whatever we call the next v= ersion). A client that makes a QUIC connection and resumes from h2 might= advertise [hq, hqv2] in its handshake, and the server has to assume that= the packets are hq. In other words, the equivalency is 1-1. That limit= s our ability to deploy new protocol versions.

The same considerations apply in the reverse direction.

I think that we should drop this feature and instead develop a new doc= ument that describes two things:

  • explicit advertisement of support for different protocols for 0-RTT. = That might use ALPN in the NewSessionTicket message, or a new extension.=
  • a means of the client signaling which of the selected protocols it is= using for early data. This might be as simple as saying that the first = entry in ALPN is what is in use, or it could use a new extension.

That sort of design has the virtue of restricting the resumption to TL= S 1.3 or higher as well. (BTW, I thought that we had a hard rule about k= eeping the version the same for resumption.)

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(Yeah, cross-version resumptions are already not a thing. OpenSSL historically didn't quite get this right, but it's since been fixed.)

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----==_mimepart_5a34638ae07fa_28023fc8591faf3498779-- From nobody Fri Dec 15 16:10:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C3FF126B71 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 16:10:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.473 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.473 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dd7J-cp5JvJF for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 16:10:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C26771242F5 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 16:10:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=yL8Iqb+9K0w2spKHQslLsBevCDc=; b=e3YE2i5oqRSkm2H2 b/Kc0HsMd3/R2AH6TZLt9P6P6VFjbw10RE7pcoX2gTeXb72QFeygeyrEhdQKTN2c syyzBL6tq5AVvxK6DIU3l26CyErJBwlxuLdGeWk9EQn33D+UKwmBxa9ZAlzIdo/s ZGfo+hnRPLLTyJ1IYqHjiJTTWIE= Received: by filter0269p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0269p1las1-2656-5A34648E-2D 2017-12-16 00:10:54.653197148 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0010p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id mn7-Uk8LTniXVgktqutXdg for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2017 00:10:54.498 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 00:10:54 +0000 (UTC) From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rework denial of service on unprotected packets (#908) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a34648e677bd_1fef3f9d28744f288613e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3I8x/mpM45EZasGAC4G6lLWJD9AJSF86XN17 Ogj5IRcw46CmX8yW49gX52ERVEgl58IAvGLFR89plF4UNy8bVFQKM7xNGPrxUsAo+MJVzSTm0ctL6v ihS6B0sI6LcBEsht0DATRcMUaizw798LpFX0jVxAcYFf/VRcc82J/ZWdS61G+q1LvN3lHp9DZs1OIH s= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 00:10:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a34648e677bd_1fef3f9d28744f288613e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree that the second flight DOS is another issue. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/908#issuecomment-352142614 ----==_mimepart_5a34648e677bd_1fef3f9d28744f288613e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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The first piece of this means that a decoder could read only up to that = point (the first few bytes of a HEADERS frame), then decide whether to proc= eed. If it chooses not to proceed yet, then the data sits at the QUIC laye= r and flow control provides the back-pressure to manage memory consumption.=

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Actually, we should consider this issue fixed. The encryption and verifi= cation of handshake messages now depends on the initial connection ID. This= eliminates the risk of inadvertently mixing handshake packets belonging to= different connections.

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(#1018) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a346cfeb9ac6_7fbb3fe1bc9c6f3496718"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 00:46:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a346cfeb9ac6_7fbb3fe1bc9c6f3496718 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The spec says "Once the TLS handshake is complete, both peers MUST ignore unprotected packets. From that point onward, unprotected messages can be safely dropped." I wish that were true. But truthiness here depends of what you mean by "the TLS handshake is complete." The current spec says that the second flight of the client is carried in a clear text handshake message. This was decided to align with TLS over TCP, because the proof of correctness is easier to establish if the transmission of the Finished message does not depend on the encryption key used for application messages. OK, maybe. That rule means that if the clear text handshake message is lost, clients will repeat it. They will normally be using a different packet sequence number, so as to elicit a new acknowledgement -- because after all, the packet might have been received but the ACK may have been lost. The problem is that third parties can also replay this "Finished" message. They can do that a number of times, using different packet sequence numbers, including numbers that the client might have used for its own data packets. Consider this: 1) Client sends Finished message with sequence number 5; 2) Adversary races Finished message with sequence number 6; 3) Client sends first HTTP command in 1-RTT message with sequence number 6. This will probably cause the application to fail, as the server will "acknowledge" packet number 6 when it receives the duplicate "Finished" message, and ignore the 1-RTT packet because the packet sequence number has already be seen. In fact, the adversary does not need to race the first client packet. It could just as well use some higher numbers, or do that multiple times. If just one packet gets accepted, it will create a "hole" in some application stream. If the adversary feels lucky, it may not even need to place a copy of the Finished message there. Any old duplicate ACK might work just as well, as long that the server does not systematically reject the clear text messages. The server will only be in a position to drop these incoming packets after receiving the "ACK of ACK" that shows that the acknowledgement of the finished packet has been received. That leaves a window of at least 1 RTT. The simplest protection, IMHO, is to just start sending 1-RTT packets as soon as the keys have been negotiated, and to start rejecting clear text messages as soon as 1-RTT packets have been successfully received. That would require sending the second client flight using 1-RTT packets, instead of handshake packets. There may be other solutions, such as using different sequence numbers for clear-text packets and protected packets. But that feels more complicated. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1018 ----==_mimepart_5a346cfeb9ac6_7fbb3fe1bc9c6f3496718 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The spec says "Once the TLS handshake is complete, both peers MUST ignore unprotected packets.
>From that point onward, unprotected messages can be safely dropped." I wish that were true. But truthiness here depends of what you mean by "the TLS handshake is complete."

The current spec says that the second flight of the client is carried in a clear text handshake message. This was decided to align with TLS over TCP, because the proof of correctness is easier to establish if the transmission of the Finished message does not depend on the encryption key used for application messages. OK, maybe.

That rule means that if the clear text handshake message is lost, clients will repeat it. They will normally be using a different packet sequence number, so as to elicit a new acknowledgement -- because after all, the packet might have been received but the ACK may have been lost.

The problem is that third parties can also replay this "Finished" message. They can do that a number of times, using different packet sequence numbers, including numbers that the client might have used for its own data packets. Consider this:

  1. Client sends Finished message with sequence number 5;
  2. Adversary races Finished message with sequence number 6;
  3. Client sends first HTTP command in 1-RTT message with sequence number 6.

This will probably cause the application to fail, as the server will "acknowledge" packet number 6 when it receives the duplicate "Finished" message, and ignore the 1-RTT packet because the packet sequence number has already be seen.

In fact, the adversary does not need to race the first client packet. It could just as well use some higher numbers, or do that multiple times. If just one packet gets accepted, it will create a "hole" in some application stream. If the adversary feels lucky, it may not even need to place a copy of the Finished message there. Any old duplicate ACK might work just as well, as long that the server does not systematically reject the clear text messages.

The server will only be in a position to drop these incoming packets after receiving the "ACK of ACK" that shows that the acknowledgement of the finished packet has been received. That leaves a window of at least 1 RTT.

The simplest protection, IMHO, is to just start sending 1-RTT packets as soon as the keys have been negotiated, and to start rejecting clear text messages as soon as 1-RTT packets have been successfully received. That would require sending the second client flight using 1-RTT packets, instead of handshake packets.

There may be other solutions, such as using different sequence numbers for clear-text packets and protected packets. But that feels more complicated.

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Strictly editorial, but maybe worth a look. Trying to be consistent with QUIC's error formatting. Also makes it clearer in the IANA section that we're really talking about 16 bits and not 8 bits.

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  • Use QUIC-style MALFORMED_FRAME in HTTP

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Fixes #948; builds on #1019 for convenience.

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  • Use QUIC-style MALFORMED_FRAME in HTTP
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the len bit is 0x2 and the offset bit is 0x4 (and they are described in that order)

but their corresponding data fields appear in the frame as offset then length.. and the fields are described in that order.

we should swap the values of the len and offset bits to make things consistent

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for #1021

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What Martin says. Most RFC use 0x80 down to 0x01.

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----==_mimepart_5a360801ca98_3eed3ff0d692af346910ad-- From nobody Sat Dec 16 22:07:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 760DA12421A for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2017 22:07:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.882 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.882 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZjPQ_TrRRD0l for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2017 22:07:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1BE81241F3 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2017 22:07:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 22:07:18 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1513490838; bh=lmnJ2MuseUU81qkwjhHxjbTRCbBve/RIFlIyt1KdgcQ=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=rwJiPhhen5xcI2+lnvraw7j4CYdsWx7jqm7M1oSBYVfBRHUSSXN7JObSo1UL9KuG6 Qc/9FBzWbyKLi+ypb847RWiYhoDtMMd5nCkYeEBiapJ/KwNH2ntDI+zvZs7kNSZruf 8eTwJ5OFDEDCAbnh49Jd57ciAdkA1uo0z5Pq/+EY= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Removing Transport Parameters from new_session_ticket (#1015) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a360996c4d3_28623f8307638f342696f5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 06:07:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a360996c4d3_28623f8307638f342696f5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I concur with Patrick's assessment that "This is a little hairy to implement". It requires exercising a part of the TLS libraries that is often under-documented an untested. I think we would be better off just adopting some conservative default, kind of like the same spirit as IW10 for TCP. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1015#issuecomment-352234608 ----==_mimepart_5a360996c4d3_28623f8307638f342696f5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I concur with Patrick's assessment that "This is a little hairy to imp= lement". It requires exercising a part of the TLS libraries that is often= under-documented an untested.

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@LPardue requested changes on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
-HTTP_UNEXPECTED_GOAWAY (0x14):
-: A GOAWAY frame has been received by a server.
+HTTP_DUPLICATE_PUSH (0x0C):
+: A Push ID was referenced on two different Push streams.

Capitalisation of Push is inconsistent with other uses in the document

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
-The server push response is conveyed on a push stream.  A push stream is a
-server-initiated, unidirectional stream.  A push stream includes a header (see
-{{fig-push-stream-header}}) that identifies the PUSH_PROMISE that it fulfills.
-This header consists of a Push ID, encoded as a variable-length integer.  The
-Push ID identifies a server push (see {{frame-push-promise}}).
+When a server later fulfills a promise, the server push response is conveyed on
+a push stream.  A push stream is a server-initiated, unidirectional stream.  A
+push stream always begins with a header (see {{fig-push-stream-header}}) that
+identifies the Push ID of the PUSH_PROMISE that it fulfills, encoded as a

The paragraph starts by saying fulfilling a promise and ends by saying PUSH_PROMISE, I think I prefer the lowercase version.

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We found this issue in interop testing. One implementation would send transport parameters with max bidir ID and max unidir ID set to zero. The other implementation applied strictly was is in the spec, and rejected the connection. The spec says:

initial_max_stream_id_bidi (0x0002):
    The initial maximum stream ID parameter contains the initial maximum stream number the peer may initiate for bidirectional streams, encoded as an unsigned 32-bit integer. This value MUST be a valid bidirectional stream ID for a peer-initiated stream (that is, the two least significant bits are set to 0 by a server and to 1 by a client). If an invalid value is provided, the recipient MUST generate a connection error of type TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR. Setting this parameter is equivalent to sending a MAX_STREAM_ID (Section 8.8) immediately after completing the handshake. The maximum bidirectional stream ID is set to 0 if this parameter is absent, preventing the creation of new bidirectional streams until a MAX_STREAM_ID frame is sent. Note that a default value of 0 does not prevent the cryptographic handshake stream (that is, stream 0) from being used.

If we interpret this strictly, 0 is illegal -- the way to encode 0 is simply to not provide the parameter. Should 0 actually be accepted?

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I'd make the argument that if we support implicitly setting a value of 0, why wouldn't we support explicitly setting it?

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----==_mimepart_5a37455ec4537_5b6d3fde6e95ef342074572-- From nobody Sun Dec 17 21:43:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C0BF124207 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 21:43:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hCpDALuEo9tx for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 21:43:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3557120721 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2017 21:43:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=TjtqZaSc0Yq3cYKGxrW5lPBYcHY=; b=KVflJbVhEOczX0OU YTJW9VgUdICi8iUoW64U/dix1+r83hJtGHXX9aruC/pmHBH7MHvyJEtrqnSgVK3l JGwV+ZpWg8jEKIv/I0IZaw/T3bvNtnjewVRAAOehVdfM1iBPxBT2j26wjrqwc1jm eJg/nS9FyQBIC4mLQnRONCo6yrg= Received: by filter0089p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0089p1iad2-13762-5A375588-9 2017-12-18 05:43:36.563909279 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0003p1sjc2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id hkr7GM5GRJOs8j_YCH8Jtw for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 05:43:36.343 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 05:43:36 +0000 (UTC) From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Is zero a valid stream-ID in Transport Parameters? (#1023) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a375587a313d_42763ffd580def2c201375c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2hrX7eUiqVQzSEe4cPIXNy4kUyUfRDaFizDS A3gtiabLElpc+dKn1NENaZZluPRU5wiRiWeeOaHggNvRxEcIY+zwBrb0EmrHWJLIdpS6tEQh5CfGDh Y2sWcR7kC28D9qUKzq5jetVkTX7UsvW6Z6eX3aUg/50BuC6H5C9trHyvFiJcH900KTTxSqCrQ87gle Q= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 05:43:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a375587a313d_42763ffd580def2c201375c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @nibanks The counter argument is that it makes every decoder a bit more complex, while the implementations that want to send the value zero can just as well omit the parameter. So basically, who pays the cost? The other issue is "bit rot". The "liberal in what you accept" argument is nice, but it leads to maintaining warts all over the code to accommodate this or that "almost standard" implementation. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1023#issuecomment-352331500 ----==_mimepart_5a375587a313d_42763ffd580def2c201375c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@nibanks The counter argument is that it makes every decoder a bit more complex, = while the implementations that want to send the value zero can just as well= omit the parameter. So basically, who pays the cost?

The other issue is "bit rot". The "liberal in what you accept" argument = is nice, but it leads to maintaining warts all over the code to accommodate= this or that "almost standard" implementation.

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----==_mimepart_5a37da3fdf500_53e43fa0fea3ef383474b0-- From nobody Mon Dec 18 09:33:25 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F65127286 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 09:33:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DABg3qd4IDWt for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 09:33:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext4.iad.github.net [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5E8B127078 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 09:33:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 09:33:21 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1513618401; bh=+HHdWHi54JycxSortH1peHunwrS6DF818gsVTB/YGEQ=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=JR7YjjZejsFdnP+Gq4FQNCXRkMd8nwziZMqv0NcXeT4TMQUaaIwrmRJt6sIWksPsx ZuXK1RiwMj9eTOCZf0SS+GMKwR8779RNZQTIaiNSFLfVRNg5x8IdRi1lXzq9pHPzP3 BNLqVi4+WGryNV9dhYKOfnfz4Y72OGamhNjNYtmg= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include ACK delay in RTO computations (#981) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a37fbe12fa72_1d593fa2d8b72f2c1608dd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 17:33:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a37fbe12fa72_1d593fa2d8b72f2c1608dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think eliminating MinRTO, as discussed in #1017, may be a bit safer in the presence of both measured and explicitly supplied max ack delay. Without the explicitly supplied MAD, a spurious RTO occurs if no acknowledgement is received within 3x the initial RTT measurement(SRTT + 4*RTTVAR). Given peers know this and the client typically gets an RTT signal first, possibly the server should send an ack immediately until it has an RTT signal? Even then, the process of starting to send delayed acks seems prone to cause spurious RTOs, particularly if the RTTVAR is small. There's a weird incentive to ensure a delayed ack is sent sometime early enough that the RTTVAR hasn't dropped. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/981#issuecomment-352498136 ----==_mimepart_5a37fbe12fa72_1d593fa2d8b72f2c1608dd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think eliminating MinRTO, as discussed in #1017, may be a bit safer in the pres= ence of both measured and explicitly supplied max ack delay.

Without the explicitly supplied MAD, a spurious RTO occurs if no ackno= wledgement is received within 3x the initial RTT measurement(SRTT + 4*RTT= VAR). Given peers know this and the client typically gets an RTT signal = first, possibly the server should send an ack immediately until it has an= RTT signal? Even then, the process of starting to send delayed acks see= ms prone to cause spurious RTOs, particularly if the RTTVAR is small. Th= ere's a weird incentive to ensure a delayed ack is sent sometime early en= ough that the RTTVAR hasn't dropped.

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Just to be clear, though, these are valid editorial issues. I'm planning to go through these and either modify the spec directly (for small things) or generate editorial PRs, even though this issue is closed.

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After the first short header octet and optional connection ID, the server includes the value of the Stateless Reset Token that it included in its transport parameters.

After the Packet Number, the server pads the message with an arbitrary number of octets containing random values.

Finally, the last 16 octets of the packet are set to the value of the Stateless Reset Token.

The first para seems to say to me the 16 byte token goes before the bad, the last para says it goes after that pad at the end of the packet. The diagram is pretty clear the latter is correct. I suggest removing? the first para.

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----==_mimepart_5a3829f0f16c9_19563fc34e702f285913d-- From nobody Mon Dec 18 12:50:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F360412D88D for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 12:49:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.152 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.152 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.282, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uB04ctRypyOX for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 12:49:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A403C12D86B for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 12:49:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=lpiPoJsnf9u1FuUnC8Jw3rB+mtM=; b=Qs7lVz0YvIrWpOOd 4tsBnESg91Z8M8n/Nz5PJ6j71EAEbMb8TSjFY0HOoc5GrVqKQPDatSr99rLnCL8T n+UisGb3MY6VjwbjuRoJTwLe/dahbp5Fid5cBWgE4iR2nCP0Bs7UHvl5ZVJMCebq h6DUtD7rVmt50yH6aQpEuFaC3D0= Received: by filter0265p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0265p1iad2-16911-5A3829F0-10 2017-12-18 20:49:52.533288951 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0009p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id u_bvksBiQN2lpALA2J2xLw for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2017 20:49:52.467 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 20:49:52 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] CANCEL_PUSH frame payload ambiguity (#948) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a3829f057599_fa53fa611f2ef30106181"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2natg5DMLrpqsX/eN3KvT2bRa1bck1kXDh7I F0zQ9PaxlOgYSqXPXkQUu9edoX82Xk6krM1tj37n7ioBo7ZezBRBdNfVa9pbhoiujQff5FLCG3aKIv eMJa8DeEmPtwXJWGLcUyagEtF19uqYw4/qjJlpFvwSUhmoonlEFchseQPGDc2BFVe6slgYYTrxHKQC s= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 20:49:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a3829f057599_fa53fa611f2ef30106181 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #948 via #1020. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/948#event-1392918342 ----==_mimepart_5a3829f057599_fa53fa611f2ef30106181 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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It appears #968 updated the values in the table of packet types for the long header, but did not update the value in the description for each each packet type.

For example the table currently says:

Type Name Section
0x7F Initial {{packet-initial}}

While the description under Initial Packet says:

The Initial packet uses long headers with a type value of 0x7E

This mismatch appears to exist for all of the long header packet type values.

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Fixes #1026.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1027

Commit Summary

  • Fix long header packet type mismatches

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But that will also violate the conditions of the analysis of TLS.

The "attack" here is an off-path attacker can cause packets to be droppe= d if they can observe and replay the client's Handshake packets. It only h= appens if they can race the legitimate packets and the consequence is a per= formance hit.

I'm having a hard time getting excited about this. Yes, it is theoretic= ally possible to harden against this, but it doesn't seem that important.

An alternative approach that doesn't introduce these risks would be to d= rop Handshake packets without consuming the packet number in the case where= you have already received that flight. It wouldn't avoid the exposure to = a race, but it would prevent an attacker from consuming packet numbers afte= r the handshake completes.

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

This looks OK, but I think that you need to restructure the bit about authority and Alt-Svc.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -182,6 +189,22 @@ itself as "hq-09-rickroll". Note that any label MUST conform to the "token"
 syntax defined in Section 3.2.6 of [RFC7230]. Experimenters are encouraged to
 coordinate their experiments on the quic@ietf.org mailing list.
 
+## Connection Reuse
+
+Once a connection exists to a server endpoint, this connection MAY be reused for
+requests with multiple different URI authority components.  The client MAY send
+any requests for which the client considers the server authoritative.
+
+This typically means that the client has received an Alt-Svc record from the
+request's origin in question which nominates the server endpoint as a valid HTTP

This is potentially misleading. Alt-Svc doesn't form the basis for authority. I understand the intent here is to say that you don't get here without Alt-Svc, but the "This" in this sentence is immediately after the bit about authority.

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The location of the stateless reset token is made less clear by this text now that it has been moved to the end.

Closes #1025.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -182,6 +189,22 @@ itself as "hq-09-rickroll". Note that any label MUST conform to the "token"
 syntax defined in Section 3.2.6 of [RFC7230]. Experimenters are encouraged to
 coordinate their experiments on the quic@ietf.org mailing list.
 
+## Connection Reuse
+
+Once a connection exists to a server endpoint, this connection MAY be reused for
+requests with multiple different URI authority components.  The client MAY send
+any requests for which the client considers the server authoritative.
+
+This typically means that the client has received an Alt-Svc record from the
+request's origin in question which nominates the server endpoint as a valid HTTP

"This" does in fact refer to considering the server authoritative, so you're reading it correctly. RFC 7838 does say that Alt-Svc provides authority.

Alternative services are considered authoritative for an origin's resources....

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -182,6 +189,22 @@ itself as "hq-09-rickroll". Note that any label MUST conform to the "token"
 syntax defined in Section 3.2.6 of [RFC7230]. Experimenters are encouraged to
 coordinate their experiments on the quic@ietf.org mailing list.
 
+## Connection Reuse
+
+Once a connection exists to a server endpoint, this connection MAY be reused for
+requests with multiple different URI authority components.  The client MAY send
+any requests for which the client considers the server authoritative.
+
+This typically means that the client has received an Alt-Svc record from the
+request's origin in question which nominates the server endpoint as a valid HTTP

I think that we're talking past each other. The alternative is not authoritative because of Alt-Svc, that authority derives from the certificate. This text implies that it derives from Alt-Svc, which is dangerously misleading.

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@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -182,6 +189,22 @@ itself as "hq-09-rickroll". Note that any label MUST conform to the "token"
 syntax defined in Section 3.2.6 of [RFC7230]. Experimenters are encouraged to
 coordinate their experiments on the quic@ietf.org mailing list.
 
+## Connection Reuse
+
+Once a connection exists to a server endpoint, this connection MAY be reused for
+requests with multiple different URI authority components.  The client MAY send
+any requests for which the client considers the server authoritative.
+
+This typically means that the client has received an Alt-Svc record from the
+request's origin in question which nominates the server endpoint as a valid HTTP

Perhaps. I think this is an area that's in flux right now -- example.com:443 is authoritative for https://example.com/, but the certificate validates that you're actually talking to example.com:443. Under any previous RFC, a server isn't authoritative simply because it has the certificate.

Alt-Svc allows an authoritative server to say that otherguy.org:8080 is co-authoritative with it. You still need to validate the cert to verify that you've successfully reached the authoritative alternative, but it is the Alt-Svc delegation that makes it authoritative. The certificate simply proves identity when connecting to that authoritative endpoint.

ORIGIN makes the stronger statement that a server can be authoritative simply because it has the certificate, if the client chooses to play by those new rules. That's a new assertion in RFC [TBD], but not something contained in any existing RFC that I'm aware of.

I'll add some text saying that, as required by RFC 7838, the client MUST ensure that the certificate is valid for the origin being requested.

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If I think about it some more, there are really three phases in the TLS connection: 1) Before key are exchanged. 2) After key exchange is complete, i.e. after the client receives the server's first flight. 3) After the client's "finished" message has been received. The client can detect MITM after receiving the server's Finished, but the server can only do so after receiving the client's Finished. Traffic sent by the server before receiving the client's Finished is potentially exposed to MITM. Traffic sent after that is not, barring spoofed credentials. So yes, I can see that these conditions somehow affect the proofs. Although I would really like to know how exactly they do. If that's the case, we should consider two changes in QUIC: 1) Reintroduce a server clear text message, for the first flight. 2) Specify that the handshake messages are protected by a key derived from the handshake, as they are in fact in TLS. This will cover the client's second flight, and possibly additional handshake messages required for client auth and ack of it by the server. Having this kind of protection would suppress attacks happening after the server's first flight is received, at the cost of establishing another key for the handshake. The cost of encryption would be pretty much the same as with the current connection ID specific AEAD. I think that would be the right thing to do, if we want to abide by the researcher's desires. Barring that, I am willing to explore Martin's suggestion to drop Handshake packets without consuming the packet number after the Finished message has been received. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I can understand that the researchers are worried about exchanging data = prior to the client finished message. If I think about it some more, there = are really three phases in the TLS connection:

  1. Before key are exchanged.
  2. After key exchange is complete, i.e. after the client receives the serv= er's first flight.
  3. After the client's "finished" message has been received.

The client can detect MITM after receiving the server's Finished, but th= e server can only do so after receiving the client's Finished. Traffic sent= by the server before receiving the client's Finished is potentially expose= d to MITM. Traffic sent after that is not, barring spoofed credentials.

So yes, I can see that these conditions somehow affect the proofs. Altho= ugh I would really like to know how exactly they do.

If that's the case, we should consider two changes in QUIC:

  1. Reintroduce a server clear text message, for the first flight.
  2. Specify that the handshake messages are protected by a key derived from= the handshake, as they are in fact in TLS. This will cover the client's se= cond flight, and possibly additional handshake messages required for client= auth and ack of it by the server.

Having this kind of protection would suppress attacks happening after th= e server's first flight is received, at the cost of establishing another ke= y for the handshake. The cost of encryption would be pretty much the same a= s with the current connection ID specific AEAD.

I think that would be the right thing to do, if we want to abide by the = researcher's desires. Barring that, I am willing to explore Martin's sugges= tion to drop Handshake packets without consuming the packet number after th= e Finished message has been received.

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----==_mimepart_5a3929e42a432_6e763fe36f6f6f344316e3-- From nobody Tue Dec 19 09:17:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD3F812DA01 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2017 09:17:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MRIK9OKYPGNz for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2017 09:17:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7400B12D957 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2017 09:17:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=oct+FvyJKUEY5gKdPOtIIFF2iTc=; b=w5bvQL5RPSkv0nCs NPAoIRLpSAUINa2N7A2pUS5IoCXhU2elEf794GKAszv8R/YylUaoO8giKmc5hw0d VUl9CGfGSW23Axax92nVage5NTurd6PqysBWPIPbc7lkA3cL/dXa1TnVZWb/IFIy u6+zdvKUCZQCZ0CECdVSLK9nRUE= Received: by filter0142p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0142p1las1-11111-5A39498D-D 2017-12-19 17:17:01.367130455 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id xkIirn3iQfKjhxYQIW64eg for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2017 17:17:01.327 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 17:17:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Patrick McManus Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Removing Transport Parameters from new_session_ticket (#1015) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a39498d291ae_65c13fb4da5b6f34438d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mcmanus X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak25Fd8ZCPNvvZwgQnGzEI4VtDGM758YK5UbmX PCoVeHdJIqA7gMN51b1EcnsBGkyQOAUEBm2u0lcJR5VnxKkVWFhPvNEXKjDPFoi70jTxuMWgKw8G8U i4jONWb+pka+aMFTbtMKZBqQb7CiUdprkECWtIn2TdU1kZ3Szz1oEt1lqTUkN72G7GiGkA4Ua+QKIC c= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 17:17:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a39498d291ae_65c13fb4da5b6f34438d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In addition to the complexity of the TLS library, the complexity of getting the "right value" for transport parameters is a concern. Especially as a disagreement can lead to deadlock. In particular we have a hierarchy of "initial parameters", "parameters on the NST", and "parameters on the post 0rtt handshake". That's an awful lot of inheritance rules for what is really a small amount of value. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1015#issuecomment-352826032 ----==_mimepart_5a39498d291ae_65c13fb4da5b6f34438d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In addition to the complexity of the TLS library, the complexity of gett= ing the "right value" for transport parameters is a concern. Especially as = a disagreement can lead to deadlock.

In particular we have a hierarchy of "initial parameters", "parameters o= n the NST", and "parameters on the post 0rtt handshake". That's an awful lo= t of inheritance rules for what is really a small amount of value.

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= ----==_mimepart_5a39498d291ae_65c13fb4da5b6f34438d-- From nobody Tue Dec 19 09:46:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1392A129C6E for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2017 09:46:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k9H5yl-xy5Zp for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2017 09:46:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94CC21241F5 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2017 09:46:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=6ewoAS7FAEkojbrEbyAgVR2KNqE=; b=ojrRSSh8ZIa8F2j+ 661TsT4PZ4cw37XUmVvcEdq4AWxFG9UO+R9yIyjJkELsyMMddWHvsmsoqnovSq/z 3kApE5TBQuLzoSgcotahtzeFNhfXZ21QMiqaPkq+Wu9+tEKQ3K/q4uppeYkrl1bU DfTVb6n8FQnLNdOSOQKeLsQa+rA= Received: by filter0055p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0055p1iad2-29520-5A395076-6 2017-12-19 17:46:30.205389543 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0008p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id tKEe2k9LRLmbyNra5FqE4Q for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2017 17:46:30.099 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 17:46:30 +0000 (UTC) From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK Frames should be in Increasing Packet Number Order (#969) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a395075f0864_6c3d3fef21758f28164029"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1dvAInaxeaOMnzWWa6k6BToEyUAzpc7RQp1u KqNoNQ+6Q2FYSAmVJqFa4N3WCWMX6mTaMRajCxdLqx9JAIGs2fk6QmbGnI5EpOOex7fBguHigXm5Gx dS4NGiRCvL/XEcSrZJXqLfB/17rBYD5tq6gkabhIR0PXVTgR+t2v0Q3WLutOpWMWYG587PUqJitAbS 8= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 17:46:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a395075f0864_6c3d3fef21758f28164029 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett Any updates? I still don't see a way that descending order could ever be as good as ascending order. I'm still thinking of this example where you have a couple of gaps of lost packets. Outstanding Sent Packets: `{1,2,3,....1000}` ACK Blocks: `{500 - 400},{390-300},{290-1}` Assuming the final result is that packets `{1-290}, {300-390}, {400-500}` are acknowledged and packets `{291-299}, {391-399}` are marked as lost (FACK), that means you would have to traverse the entire first 500 packets of the outstanding list. If you walk the list in ascending order, you only touch each packet once, and no more packets than necessary. But to do that (without an extra preprocessing step and associated temporary memory) you would need the ACK blocks in ascending order. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/969#issuecomment-352834033 ----==_mimepart_5a395075f0864_6c3d3fef21758f28164029 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@ianswett= Any updates? I still don't see a way that descending order could ever = be as good as ascending order. I'm still thinking of this example where you= have a couple of gaps of lost packets.

Outstanding Sent Packets: {1,2,3,....1000}
ACK Blocks: {500 - 400},{390-300},{290-1}

Assuming the final result is that packets {1-290}, {300-390}, {400= -500} are acknowledged and packets {291-299}, {391-399}= are marked as lost (FACK), that means you would have to traverse the entir= e first 500 packets of the outstanding list. If you walk the list in ascend= ing order, you only touch each packet once, and no more packets than necess= ary. But to do that (without an extra preprocessing step and associated tem= porary memory) you would need the ACK blocks in ascending order.

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No updates, but I'll explain what my approach is.

I store an IntervalSet of the previously acknowledged packets from the l= owest one I'm tracking to the largest previously acknowledged. When I read= the ack frame, I'm incrementally comparing the intervals I'm parsing with = the IntervalSet of previously acknowledged packets and storing any newly ac= knowledged packets in a list and adding them to the IntervalSet for the fut= ure. Then I do a second pass over the full data structure with the newly a= cknowledged packets in the list. The list isn't necessary, so you could do= it in one pass, but it fits into my current implementation better, so it's= what I'm doing for now. My congestion control APIs take a list of newly a= cked packets and their size in bytes, so I have to create that list anyway.=

You have to ensure you don't allow someone to acknowledge packets larger= than the largest ever sent, or you can allocate a ton of extra temporary m= emory(a perk of doing this without a temporary list), but otherwise, this s= hould turn out to be slightly faster for decreasing order, since I can igno= re any extra ack ranges that are below the smallest packet I'm still waitin= g for an acknowledgement for.

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Overall I think this does address the issues indicated. Some remaining questions that maybe don't need to be answered here: * are there any special considerations for connection reuse for 0-RTT or 1-RTT? * RFC7540 also describes connection reuse in terms of the CONNECT method and Proxies, is that still applicable? > connection establishment, HTTP/QUIC support is indicated by selecting the ALPN -token "hq" in the crypto handshake. +token "hq" in the crypto handshake. Support for other application-layer nit: s/crypto/cryptographic to better align with Transport doc terminology. Seems like an opportunity to fix it up while in this area. > @@ -147,11 +149,16 @@ Origins SHOULD list only versions which are supported by the alternative, but MAY omit supported versions for any reason. -# Connection Establishment {#connection-establishment} +## Connection Establishment {#connection-establishment} + +HTTP/QUIC relies on QUIC as the underlying transport. The QUIC version being +used MUST use TLS version 1.3 or greater as its handshake protocol. The Server +Name Indication extension {{!RFC6066}} MUST be included in the TLS handshake. I missed the SNI reference because the acronym was not used, may help to add _(SNI)_. RFC7540 also says clients MUST indicate target domain when negotiating TLS, is that requirement inherited here? > @@ -182,6 +189,24 @@ itself as "hq-09-rickroll". Note that any label MUST conform to the "token" syntax defined in Section 3.2.6 of [RFC7230]. Experimenters are encouraged to coordinate their experiments on the quic@ietf.org mailing list. +## Connection Reuse + +Once a connection exists to a server endpoint, this connection MAY be reused for +requests with multiple different URI authority components. The client MAY send +any requests for which the client considers the server authoritative. + +An authoritative HTTP/QUIC endpoint is typically discovered because the client +has received an Alt-Svc record from the request's origin which nominates the +endpoint as a valid HTTP Alternative Service for that origin. As required by +{{RFC7838}}, clients MUST validate that the nominated server can present a +validated certificate for the origin before considering it authoritative. "validate a validated certificate" sounds odd. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1024#pullrequestreview-84583631 ----==_mimepart_5a397ceab6547_55983f9e505e4f38895c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@LPardue commented on this pull request.

Overall I think this does address the issues indicated. Some remaining questions that maybe don't need to be answered here:

  • are there any special considerations for connection reuse for 0-RTT or 1-RTT?
  • RFC7540 also describes connection reuse in terms of the CONNECT method and Proxies, is that still applicable?

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  connection establishment, HTTP/QUIC support is indicated by selecting the ALPN
-token "hq" in the crypto handshake.
+token "hq" in the crypto handshake.  Support for other application-layer

nit: s/crypto/cryptographic to better align with Transport doc terminology. Seems like an opportunity to fix it up while in this area.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -147,11 +149,16 @@ Origins SHOULD list only versions which are supported by the alternative, but
 MAY omit supported versions for any reason.
 
 
-# Connection Establishment {#connection-establishment}
+## Connection Establishment {#connection-establishment}
+
+HTTP/QUIC relies on QUIC as the underlying transport.  The QUIC version being
+used MUST use TLS version 1.3 or greater as its handshake protocol.  The Server
+Name Indication extension {{!RFC6066}} MUST be included in the TLS handshake.

I missed the SNI reference because the acronym was not used, may help to add (SNI).

RFC7540 also says clients MUST indicate target domain when negotiating TLS, is that requirement inherited here?

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -182,6 +189,24 @@ itself as "hq-09-rickroll". Note that any label MUST conform to the "token"
 syntax defined in Section 3.2.6 of [RFC7230]. Experimenters are encouraged to
 coordinate their experiments on the quic@ietf.org mailing list.
 
+## Connection Reuse
+
+Once a connection exists to a server endpoint, this connection MAY be reused for
+requests with multiple different URI authority components.  The client MAY send
+any requests for which the client considers the server authoritative.
+
+An authoritative HTTP/QUIC endpoint is typically discovered because the client
+has received an Alt-Svc record from the request's origin which nominates the
+endpoint as a valid HTTP Alternative Service for that origin.  As required by
+{{RFC7838}}, clients MUST validate that the nominated server can present a
+validated certificate for the origin before considering it authoritative.

"validate a validated certificate" sounds odd.

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Thanks @i= answett for the detailed explanation. Do you use this IntervalSet of pr= eviously acknowledged packets for anything other than this purpose? Otherwi= se, to me this still seems just like an intermediate data structure for pro= cessing the ACK block. We haven't had need of a similar object in our code = and I would be hesitant to add it just for this.

My ideal goal is still:

  1. Process ACK block directly from the wire format.
  2. Require no extra processing steps or temporary storage.
  3. Process the necessary outstanding packet structures only.

I see a solution with ascending order but descending order breaks at lea= st one of the above goals.

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It has two purposes. One is this, and the other is that reusing the exi= sting ack frame trades a small amount of memory for a large-ish reduction i= n memory allocations. It might even be possible for it to be a net savings= of memory allocated in the typical case, by removing the redundant informa= tion of what has already been acknowledged from the more complete data stru= cture, but I haven't tried that yet.

So this gives you 1, 2, and 3 with the only cost being complexity of an = optimized data structure to speed part 3, which happens to look exactly lik= e how you likely store the QUIC ack frame you're putting received packets i= nto and sending. It does assume you're using a deque or something similar = that makes it fast to seek to a given entry, but that's the best style I've= found in practice.

How are you intending to store and find newly acked packets? It's worth= keeping in mind that after loss, you'll likely want to track packets that = have already been retransmitted for a while, in case they were spuriously r= etransmitted, so you may commonly end up skipping over those on the way up.= It's also worth keeping in mind that linked lists have awful performance = from a CPU cache perspective.

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Given that packet numbers are in incremental order it can be done much= more efficiently in time and space by scanning chained blocks of bitmaps= . If there is a large gap you just link two bitmaps. Doing this efficient= ly requires ack's in increasing order. If your chain grows too long, you = are subject to abuse, or conditions too bad to maintain a connection.

=

The initial descend into the bitmap can be done by remembering the pre= vious start location, or by using an efficient index into each bitmap blo= ck.

If you arbitrarily loose every second packet, an interval map is using= a lot of memory in comparison, not to mention a log2 lookup.

So, it would be rather sad to have to allocate a lot of temporary memo= ry for no good reason.

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----==_mimepart_5a3995e06cdc2_58053f8f5009ef382262c5-- From nobody Tue Dec 19 14:54:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2AF12D77C for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2017 14:54:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.029 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.029 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IO4MZIShsghi for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2017 14:54:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE5C11242F5 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2017 14:54:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=7TaPK6hBXYT5IvOytT/8cmywwO4=; b=dHmbfDxsassnt5zn kBrpyJZMzFKg2/UI0ps0oJO2OcZPa9U88L54tYqjTm3lmRt7GYXu6UVryS7pAq1N Nwh7HmSFPwfBLUUIqcc98rYUFzqDzf6bkbipKkPHa25MHzeNJW1Xjbmd/qzdqD+7 XYacj0m+meAwohAfITLkqGTZJsI= Received: by filter0211p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0211p1las1-7332-5A39989B-6 2017-12-19 22:54:19.428637055 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0007p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 87EmhdkJRdetxSdOyMT_TA for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2017 22:54:19.405 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 22:54:19 +0000 (UTC) From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK Frames should be in Increasing Packet Number Order (#969) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a39989b411d9_3df83fded418cf3438465d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1YUVZr2lt2vD+8WBaB5xDlFxkyNs+OkAeSDN UOeCLLFw1vBtu1fDM/iUALVXB55PhQBils8l6z8H4kTWrr6fBso1eWYiPiv+u/RxBdb4e1cM10+X7u oqYBTo85R+BTbjp5WxeTxXF72l9qmi4mqNnxLxXJ57Lld5OiCU8GpPPNfQ== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 22:54:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a39989b411d9_3df83fded418cf3438465d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I haven't thought through the details of using bitmaps as much, except to say that real-world packet loss works well with ranges, even if bitmaps have better worst case properties. I also find it convenient that ranges match up with the ack format nicely. If packet loss was random, GQUIC would likely have used bitmaps for the ack format. Marking packets as lost is currently a separate pass in the GQUIC code, because initially we were using pluggable loss detection. Doing descending order works fine for detecting lost packets, and it doesn't matter which order packets are lost in to make retransmission decisions, because we can decide what to send after all lost packets are determined. If one did use a linked list without any sort of side data structure, I don't think it matters which direction you iterate in. Either way, you're going to have to check all packets being tracked in the list between the largest acked packet and the smallest. I don't think the iteration order matters? You would have to store an extra pointer to quickly access the packet larger than the largest previously acknowledged to speed access to largest acked, but that seems simple. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/969#issuecomment-352911751 ----==_mimepart_5a39989b411d9_3df83fded418cf3438465d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I haven't thought through the details of using bitmaps as much, except t= o say that real-world packet loss works well with ranges, even if bitmaps h= ave better worst case properties. I also find it convenient that ranges ma= tch up with the ack format nicely. If packet loss was random, GQUIC would = likely have used bitmaps for the ack format.

Marking packets as lost is currently a separate pass in the GQUIC code, = because initially we were using pluggable loss detection. Doing descending= order works fine for detecting lost packets, and it doesn't matter which o= rder packets are lost in to make retransmission decisions, because we can d= ecide what to send after all lost packets are determined.

If one did use a linked list without any sort of side data structure, I = don't think it matters which direction you iterate in. Either way, you're = going to have to check all packets being tracked in the list between the la= rgest acked packet and the smallest. I don't think the iteration order mat= ters? You would have to store an extra pointer to quickly access the packe= t larger than the largest previously acknowledged to speed access to larges= t acked, but that seems simple.

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If you store a linked list without any side structure, and the largest= packet number is the first value you process, you have to process the it= ems from the beginning to the largest twice. Once to find the actual larg= est item, and then another as you walk backward to process the ACK blocks= .

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@nibanks you just reverse the list order in the first pass :) (never mind messing with the cache)

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The beginning being the smallest packet? You can start at the largest, = or even better, whichever is closer to largest acked(the largest sent or th= e largest previously acked). It does mean touching a few extra elements, b= ut typically those are being acknowledged and going to be accessed anyway.<= /p>

That being said, in many scenarios, having a side data structure is goin= g to make this faster.

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= ----==_mimepart_5a399c38e4817_3f1c3f9525202f34222288-- From nobody Tue Dec 19 15:18:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0778412D877 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2017 15:18:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6S5L5Iz9ce8v for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2017 15:18:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E24F12D853 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2017 15:18:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 15:18:12 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1513725492; bh=2KuPnT1cimbivxy7wvy2cv8a51p/tTMPLcV4mNtvQuk=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=mq4g0/Rt6/3WDItOwtQMctyADB2Xpkm5EDKy7GUUqRfOjCjUzyqLkDXcmIK2xHJ18 BsHvoFsYP9Ue3v9QT2+Cu0s0BpYYH3XxNyCLBqrDwY35LL7/WvdFQ43nOj2BkZT61h fHKxMg509JH5nck9TNTrBAasBGmyHCKTDlOLRBAw= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK Frames should be in Increasing Packet Number Order (#969) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a399e34da3ea_53cf3f8c0f86ef2c52884"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 23:18:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a399e34da3ea_53cf3f8c0f86ef2c52884 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When you get an ACK frame, on average, where do you expect the packet number ranges to reside, in relation to our set of outstanding packets? Generally for the oldest outstanding packets? Then, assuming FACK, if you do receive ACK blocks/frame for packet numbers more recent (larger) than your oldest packets, you would mark those 'skipped' packets as lost, therefore removing them from your outstanding packets set, right? In that case, you essentially 'touch' all the oldest packets, up to the largest packet number in the ACK frame. So why not just walk both the ACK frame and your set of outstanding packets, in ascending order, together marking packets as either lost or ACK? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/969#issuecomment-352916357 ----==_mimepart_5a399e34da3ea_53cf3f8c0f86ef2c52884 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

When you get an ACK frame, on average, where do you expect the packet = number ranges to reside, in relation to our set of outstanding packets? G= enerally for the oldest outstanding packets?

Then, assuming FACK, if you do receive ACK blocks/frame for packet num= bers more recent (larger) than your oldest packets, you would mark those = 'skipped' packets as lost, therefore removing them from your outstanding = packets set, right?

In that case, you essentially 'touch' all the oldest packets, up to th= e largest packet number in the ACK frame. So why not just walk both the A= CK frame and your set of outstanding packets, in ascending order, togethe= r marking packets as either lost or ACK?

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= ----==_mimepart_5a399e34da3ea_53cf3f8c0f86ef2c52884-- From nobody Tue Dec 19 15:41:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E40124BAC for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2017 15:41:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.595 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.595 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QDop9m_jP5eP for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2017 15:40:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9335124319 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2017 15:40:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 15:40:58 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1513726858; bh=32sbA9rjDPANEkscPCwj83sh/NaldXKIStJbYXkactY=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=XQ5R2rqU0iA28M+TLdgNAXKMGeyE2cMkYGU4K1YVQE9O/9mrc9NAZN4qS8RvAucX+ HaeKKGwqnWKtTsU456KvkbhKjWVMFRhIDgsOse2OEikDsKzT27V59Oa8GUhsP7AetJ Isb3M3EFp/Jj8A3wZMVIHU+0yodbEr74YZsjwDtU= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK Frames should be in Increasing Packet Number Order (#969) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a39a38a473d4_2d0b3fcd65b1af2c8461a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 23:41:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a39a38a473d4_2d0b3fcd65b1af2c8461a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Although my previous comment wasn=E2=80=99t entirely serious, if you do i= nsist on using a list, and the ack order is reverse, then it makes sense = to root the list at largest acked and point to older packets, then root a= separate list in forward direction with a tail pointer. You move element= s from the forward list to the reverse list while searching for a new lar= gets acked and add new packets at the tail. -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/969#issuecomment-352920288= ----==_mimepart_5a39a38a473d4_2d0b3fcd65b1af2c8461a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Although my previous comment wasn=E2=80=99t entirely serious, if you d= o insist on using a list, and the ack order is reverse, then it makes sen= se to root the list at largest acked and point to older packets, then roo= t a separate list in forward direction with a tail pointer. You move elem= ents from the forward list to the reverse list while searching for a new = largets acked and add new packets at the tail.

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= ----==_mimepart_5a39a38a473d4_2d0b3fcd65b1af2c8461a-- From nobody Tue Dec 19 20:38:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A955124D85 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2017 20:38:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hNcpa4vsC3Tp for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2017 20:38:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext7.iad.github.net [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECB6112025C for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2017 20:38:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 20:38:07 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1513744687; bh=PvIeuRJqkYaYSGl4VY7DIinPy3GKS059exbN2sgq3Gk=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ZCp8x9BDEIQWTT4JdQhcdnjnbmc+fAP6dGErTOTSie0pjRKzAFqfCSs6pPRis0cBg k5UVcP3v9zsumxYWIZpzDCb0hYabcQtWd/uWzMhbPx6uduQJkIVXvqK0Sz0M5hWo8Y FclN/byyqUuLTCbMyKydayTCB+eaLf6rEjFjeBEY= From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add a MESSAGE frame optimized for sub-MTU payloads (#814) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a39e92f3fdaf_77503fef6225af301557c5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 04:38:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a39e92f3fdaf_77503fef6225af301557c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Immediately passed up to the application, so no QUIC transport flow control is necessary. So MESSAGE frames are congestion controlled but not flow controlled? That means a receiver that is slower than the sender and the network will be dropping MESSAGEs, and that's ok? It looks similar to UDP, of course, but it may be an opportunity to devise some feedback to let the sender make an intelligent decision about not causing "buffer bloat" on the receiver and wasting bandwidth on MESSAGEs that will likely be dropped. Note: since MESSAGE frames can share a packet with STREAM frames, the packets have to be ACKed by the receiver, even if MESSAGEs end up being dropped. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/814#issuecomment-352962869 ----==_mimepart_5a39e92f3fdaf_77503fef6225af301557c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Immediately passed up to the application, so no QUIC transport flow co= ntrol is necessary.

So MESSAGE frames are congestion controlled but not flow controlled? = That means a receiver that is slower than the sender and the network will= be dropping MESSAGEs, and that's ok? It looks similar to UDP, of course= , but it may be an opportunity to devise some feedback to let the sender = make an intelligent decision about not causing "buffer bloat" on the rece= iver and wasting bandwidth on MESSAGEs that will likely be dropped.

Note: since MESSAGE frames can share a packet with STREAM frames, the = packets have to be ACKed by the receiver, even if MESSAGEs end up being d= ropped.

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Is this something required for QUICv1? If not, I would propose shelving it for now.

(This is not a statement about the quality of the proposal.)

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In my opinion, no partial reliability proposals are a requirement for v1, since one can do partial reliability today, it's just suboptimal in some ways.

Note this is already tagged quicv2 :)

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----==_mimepart_5a3a6e6746044_44363fc055384f282060cf-- From nobody Wed Dec 20 06:37:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E862F126C19 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 06:37:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oWIOxpIipUOj for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 06:37:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext7.iad.github.net [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ACC75126579 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 06:37:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 06:37:19 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1513780639; bh=pfIqxOW46Xv56ZN7g1KDUTYOzL0/EP9e6GJyGppTkAY=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=PMcPCO48I4zPLBMB0IxjotQwqoacdrYwZ13YTuQhzHzJYStHh6yyjoLEp/YIBssE5 M/ZYgOxFIwZgfvn+7JuhO86O1QNJ+9YgTNS5woQb0KFEkDilCna1G3dSeowQbJkbH7 PZMIgB9/rxhE2bqzmgDVMK89DOyW7nksjtv2aUTM= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK Frames should be in Increasing Packet Number Order (#969) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a3a759fd9f9c_3e1a3fb739ea4f2c35077a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 14:37:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a3a759fd9f9c_3e1a3fb739ea4f2c35077a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You generally expect the next packets acknowledged to be close to the largest acked. We've found it's important to keep around older packets for a while after they've been lost to detect spurious retransmits, which are not that infrequent. Currently, we keep around about an RTT of old packets, in the hopes that QUIC can tolerate a full RTT of reordering in the worst case. That's probably overkill for most cases, but ideally it only costs a bit of memory that doesn't end up being accessed, so there should be little to no CPU overhead. But the key difference here is the data structure we're discussing using. For a deque or anything similar to it, I think something like the approach I described works well and order doesn't matter. If you use only a linked list, then ascending order is simpler to implement efficiently, but I think the real-world performance of either direction is very similar if you follow some of MikkelFJ's suggestions. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/969#issuecomment-353079348 ----==_mimepart_5a3a759fd9f9c_3e1a3fb739ea4f2c35077a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

You generally expect the next packets acknowledged to be close to the = largest acked.

We've found it's important to keep around older packets for a while af= ter they've been lost to detect spurious retransmits, which are not that = infrequent. Currently, we keep around about an RTT of old packets, in th= e hopes that QUIC can tolerate a full RTT of reordering in the worst case= . That's probably overkill for most cases, but ideally it only costs a b= it of memory that doesn't end up being accessed, so there should be littl= e to no CPU overhead.

But the key difference here is the data structure we're discussing usi= ng. For a deque or anything similar to it, I think something like the ap= proach I described works well and order doesn't matter. If you use only = a linked list, then ascending order is simpler to implement efficiently, = but I think the real-world performance of either direction is very simila= r if you follow some of MikkelFJ's suggestions.

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= ----==_mimepart_5a3a759fd9f9c_3e1a3fb739ea4f2c35077a-- From nobody Wed Dec 20 06:51:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04451252BA for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 06:51:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.03 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.03 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qABo4copHYOc for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 06:51:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80695126579 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 06:51:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=G+yXrmPwiJKCKECog9lS0MgnpmI=; b=czft0+ZPDYyeWLuC p04G29H3r3EGVX8GIQWJvgeoZo5lOAwECyxGYA5Ddpc08gbJob5J/rUzerEVth7u HXvpaH99TANPjBiTe+Ykg7SjSwrTmPKs8Llfk7AKq1uMy3B+eVtgnGjKhP3vfbBE XOcqibZDcxjqXSqo+QUwXg/fFgs= Received: by filter0846p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0846p1mdw1-25621-5A3A78D6-1A 2017-12-20 14:51:02.674180383 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0004p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 8pAfZTSHSICfgeUkreuRqA for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 14:51:02.659 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 14:51:02 +0000 (UTC) From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK Frames should be in Increasing Packet Number Order (#969) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a3a78d63d5f4_444d3fc055384f28910547"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2hVk9xNdbeC8+XC3RLYjeDOaMcLqxt3fkuQm lDd2NsKjS51KIa95Bq0aHILdNNE5uXkY8Kxxjg8UJG+4Hs+/uwoWMOF+ZqkbXxLsP9fPJTUzZG5nkP /R9ZoViYkTx3GahaNoRWYgiVWi6XTyuBTABVTAopwe+5pOloHFXnj3MtJ4VxP5tCuurm9ovVxFpPAE I= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 14:51:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a3a78d63d5f4_444d3fc055384f28910547 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks @ianswett. Really appreciate the information. I agree that if you use a more complicated data structure to represent your outstanding packets than a list, you have the ability to process ACK blocks, independent of order, pretty much the same. But I am still trying to understand why not use ascending order. The main argument I have heard is that, if you have too many packet numbers to ACK, then you always want to ACK the largest/most recent ones; and that is easier to do if you start at the largest and just continue to write the ACK blocks until you run out of room. I agree that it is easier. I would propose two solutions: 1. Keep track of the amount of space it would require you to encode your current set of ACK'ed packet numbers and only keep around what can fit into a single packet. 2. Have writing the ACK frame be a two step process. First to walk the your list in descending order to figure out how many packet numbers would fit in the packet. Then, starting at the smallest that would fit, work upward and encode. Neither of those seem too complicated to me, and don't require more complicated data structures or significant extra processing time. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/969#issuecomment-353082961 ----==_mimepart_5a3a78d63d5f4_444d3fc055384f28910547 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks @i= answett. Really appreciate the information. I agree that if you use a m= ore complicated data structure to represent your outstanding packets than a= list, you have the ability to process ACK blocks, independent of order, pr= etty much the same.

But I am still trying to understand why not use ascending order. The mai= n argument I have heard is that, if you have too many packet numbers to ACK= , then you always want to ACK the largest/most recent ones; and that is eas= ier to do if you start at the largest and just continue to write the ACK bl= ocks until you run out of room. I agree that it is easier. I would propose = two solutions:

  1. Keep track of the amount of space it would require you to encode your cu= rrent set of ACK'ed packet numbers and only keep around what can fit into a= single packet.

  2. Have writing the ACK frame be a two step process. First to walk the your= list in descending order to figure out how many packet numbers would fit i= n the packet. Then, starting at the smallest that would fit, work upward an= d encode.

Neither of those seem too complicated to me, and don't require more comp= licated data structures or significant extra processing time.

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= ----==_mimepart_5a3a78d63d5f4_444d3fc055384f28910547-- From nobody Wed Dec 20 06:58:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872BF126C19 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 06:58:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zmm5WxzcSpkV for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 06:58:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C66591252BA for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 06:58:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 06:58:05 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1513781885; bh=1ve5ggqNb4UyTAwbt/ZJguqsbus2NrQjJk8p+OXXszc=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Tk2OONGU1JntXaVFOOQOEjXdAlu6QyyyE4lfoSE/KmdAyuFr75SK8NeIur0rv3+lY eAqcF7rLyFHkSAwj5VvKu7QhRr+QxrsUFCMD0OJAp37TRzafSX0QQ25mmBI7gwICRc e0LKMHi8jR+Ob3jD2Sj+Mgjg49CVOK0LFERsFTn8= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK Frames should be in Increasing Packet Number Order (#969) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a3a7a7d21451_447c3fc055384f288291ec"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 14:58:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a3a7a7d21451_447c3fc055384f288291ec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re 1, the issue is really if you'd like to bundle an ack with data. If you only send acks in ack-only packets, it should be fairly easy to ensure it always fits, though the combination of varints and ranges potentially being merged makes it more complex than you'd think, if you want to stay close to the limit. I would not advise anyone write this code, because I think it's error-prone. Re 2, sure that can definitely be done. And that's what I'd recommend if we did increasing order, but given processing acks in decreasing order is easy(in my case, it's equivalently costly and equivalent complexity), I think this double-pass is more complex and costly than the processing acks in decreasing order. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/969#issuecomment-353084959 ----==_mimepart_5a3a7a7d21451_447c3fc055384f288291ec Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Re 1, the issue is really if you'd like to bundle an ack with data. I= f you only send acks in ack-only packets, it should be fairly easy to ens= ure it always fits, though the combination of varints and ranges potentia= lly being merged makes it more complex than you'd think, if you want to s= tay close to the limit. I would not advise anyone write this code, becau= se I think it's error-prone.

Re 2, sure that can definitely be done. And that's what I'd recommend= if we did increasing order, but given processing acks in decreasing orde= r is easy(in my case, it's equivalently costly and equivalent complexity)= , I think this double-pass is more complex and costly than the processing= acks in decreasing order.

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= ----==_mimepart_5a3a7a7d21451_447c3fc055384f288291ec-- From nobody Wed Dec 20 07:02:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70019126C19 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 07:01:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CseHpDwloC5w for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 07:01:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CDB521252BA for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 07:01:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 07:01:57 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1513782117; bh=XxWQh/WNc2h1Ca0BS/QlssykYBMjjmNotYqofstmUHk=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=urYmFRoTjip/RC8UdDOD04ot7z+SopZ+f68pTbnTR1McA74eB+saItFmG+aZ40E1J ir1Cbqq7L8M8vrLmBu2B8PWF2nwiljzW+VvXJ3A+tefyDAF7viSvri9dOaOb0s8gi5 nhoxyBrdVrUzY4vZMbBsecY3fn4ZIQl6fyF8ybAU= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK Frames should be in Increasing Packet Number Order (#969) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a3a7b6532512_40be3f96811a4f30863068"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 15:01:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a3a7b6532512_40be3f96811a4f30863068 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I think this double-pass is more complex and costly than the processing acks in decreasing order. I would generally agree, and I did do exactly that before the varint changes. But with varint, I cannot process the ACK block in reverse order without first copying it to some other format in some other memory. Assuming worst case of a a full packet with a lot of 1 byte gaps/blocks encoded with varint, that could quickly explode if my temporary data structure uses the full 8 bytes to represent each. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/969#issuecomment-353086079 ----==_mimepart_5a3a7b6532512_40be3f96811a4f30863068 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think this double-pass is more complex and costly than the processin= g acks in decreasing order.

I would generally agree, and I did do exactly that before the varint c= hanges. But with varint, I cannot process the ACK block in reverse order = without first copying it to some other format in some other memory. Assum= ing worst case of a a full packet with a lot of 1 byte gaps/blocks encode= d with varint, that could quickly explode if my temporary data structure = uses the full 8 bytes to represent each.

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= ----==_mimepart_5a3a7b6532512_40be3f96811a4f30863068-- From nobody Wed Dec 20 07:08:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E8E1252BA for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 07:08:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wgmyBQV5Ioaw for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 07:08:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26D57124217 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 07:08:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 07:08:32 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1513782512; bh=j9CYiiGrOv8v64lKSjNTyzts/iLSHeYtUfHwCyDWEmY=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bNF/Ufu8ocmLRPuWJA9SjvU7VwSGyzNKlrfxByfBfBet/JknJaKOoN8XH6DDLbuIf 3SMQ+ObELcGry/NWi52zwyTmVpZRovATbxgIHtdIh8BWdyneyQVZSyWgX3d84ZggUu 7hrAbSRquhBBY/vnLGauOHOadHoFdYxSrKEtJ9Pg= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK Frames should be in Increasing Packet Number Order (#969) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a3a7cf07aa0c_25483f91ae4acf3411138b0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 15:08:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a3a7cf07aa0c_25483f91ae4acf3411138b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit just a thought: I like the current varint format, but if varints were encoded with highbit in all but last byte, then they could be processed in both directions if you know when to stop. utf-8 is similar self-sync'ing encoding. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/969#issuecomment-353087918 ----==_mimepart_5a3a7cf07aa0c_25483f91ae4acf3411138b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

just a thought: I like the current varint format, but if varints were = encoded with highbit in all but last byte, then they could be processed i= n both directions if you know when to stop. utf-8 is similar self-sync'in= g encoding.

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= ----==_mimepart_5a3a7cf07aa0c_25483f91ae4acf3411138b0-- From nobody Wed Dec 20 07:18:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57802126D74 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 07:18:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hROV_ibEVPew for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 07:18:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7DF2126CD6 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 07:18:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=VH832sQbvyUZSKlC/O3EknjcKzc=; b=Ro8c2RcRyzUUkvUQ pO/9ZlYz+V+A3Y5sJbPBBQzjtdJHiLs332ENC2wIlOIBB58L+ay5TjNv3i9SH5Lp WVOjjMM1O/MwwHp6JqEW9b3rYFA1hoDGBq1Pa/aBGNCh5vmMGhJuH2IZedGAvEnQ 8JSREfRoIzJjrUYpsTkMNC/gn94= Received: by filter0308p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0308p1las1-13630-5A3A7F59-26 2017-12-20 15:18:49.64701417 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0008p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id M3pxvSO7SLGAQjkRwsP-GQ for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 15:18:49.562 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 15:18:49 +0000 (UTC) From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK Frames should be in Increasing Packet Number Order (#969) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a3a7f596cd80_24053fe8b1646f34198422f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1/2Bb/v9BLTBQdpJ1Y9EmBDQXeZ/qlwFGLjm Qz67YnoQxTBAplDcWFG3WGHpNnw3VCnFBHhooXe7ETRqGyFnKFD0nK89sHSMIBSAqV/cUXiwyXHmdB JtYvOJHg1o/tz6M2qghCyn3PBA8RqdcrMiiHC25Eqi220nJZKzaMPlAyAO+UWknzCFU2/v2BaE/LxJ c= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 15:18:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a3a7f596cd80_24053fe8b1646f34198422f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > But with varint, I cannot process the ACK block in reverse order without first copying it to some other format in some other memory. Assuming worst case of a a full packet with a lot of 1 byte gaps/blocks encoded with varint I don't think varint changes anything here. The old ACK format also allowed for 1 byte gaps / blocks. > that could quickly explode if my temporary data structure uses the full 8 bytes to represent each. The thought of having a ~ 10 kb data structure to represent the ranges of a single ACK frame is unpleasant, however, if you're concerned about allocations, you only need one of those per connection, if you reuse it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/969#issuecomment-353090923 ----==_mimepart_5a3a7f596cd80_24053fe8b1646f34198422f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

But with varint, I cannot process the ACK block in reverse order without= first copying it to some other format in some other memory. Assuming worst= case of a a full packet with a lot of 1 byte gaps/blocks encoded with vari= nt

I don't think varint changes anything here. The old ACK format also allo= wed for 1 byte gaps / blocks.

that could quickly explode if my temporary data structure uses the full = 8 bytes to represent each.

The thought of having a ~ 10 kb data structure to represent the ranges o= f a single ACK frame is unpleasant, however, if you're concerned about allo= cations, you only need one of those per connection, if you reuse it.

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= ----==_mimepart_5a3a7f596cd80_24053fe8b1646f34198422f-- From nobody Wed Dec 20 07:22:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8CCC12426E for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 07:22:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YAuJwgbeu_k8 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 07:22:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C012120727 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 07:22:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 07:22:11 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1513783331; bh=fDLdvfLVF0OJ94zLHrOZI1NoF358d6lPtZAorQCrMs0=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=V7zjVbjHda180k3FSYJlq9Ci7Y2/P0tlfeoLJ9SZbBjLaOjv+YxczfZk7iOyTAAKk OUtjMrlCemoOlwdIYicc1KQxJPirBS4OUk4tLDEa4Plhv8llJmO1QUjNolD16JRs7D AUUDM4IK5r/Vdz8AtMv3ZNEtfNyztqEUi6uBDkKA= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK Frames should be in Increasing Packet Number Order (#969) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a3a80235bbc5_3dee3fb739ea4f2c107523d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 15:22:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a3a80235bbc5_3dee3fb739ea4f2c107523d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @marten-seemann The temporary structure wasn't needed before varints, as I could parse the wire format in reverse. As to having the 10kb structure always allocated with the connection, I agree that is a solution, though it seems pretty wasteful, considering that worst case will almost never be hit. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/969#issuecomment-353091937 ----==_mimepart_5a3a80235bbc5_3dee3fb739ea4f2c107523d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@= marten-seemann The temporary structure wasn't needed before varints, = as I could parse the wire format in reverse. As to having the 10kb struct= ure always allocated with the connection, I agree that is a solution, tho= ugh it seems pretty wasteful, considering that worst case will almost nev= er be hit.

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Also, it could get more complicated, as the max size of the temporary da= ta structure would depend on MTU, which could change, or just outright, be = very large. Again, worst case if 64KB was the MTU, then that temporary stru= cture is HUGE.

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= ----==_mimepart_5a3a80ca8aed8_671a3fb5b85acf287809c6-- From nobody Wed Dec 20 07:59:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5049126C25 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 07:59:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.412 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.412 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bqMA_T65yEmC for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 07:59:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 467971200FC for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 07:59:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=vEMU3Bw3CVNZDNYlPBIBThHXTSA=; b=lNKAxGqlrWNKNc2s XaOFqiACMIIMmNLq+qSEeiBHx4lUaQjbI/ijLlfaTuK0f/6Ta7yQXJLUuEC2piqd aCfNoIklomJFjdhDTraa4xtV8lAm34rfRgEkFoTI3K4RaDWCPR0Hd66KYbx2GIWF peMEpjCC6Mji53knbQZ7sVnNzo4= Received: by filter1118p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1118p1mdw1-21056-5A3A88EB-2 2017-12-20 15:59:39.074822803 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0004p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id GDlmKre3RN-9N-tVuOwluA for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 15:59:39.045 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 15:59:39 +0000 (UTC) From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK Frames should be in Increasing Packet Number Order (#969) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a3a88ead1e50_a213fea78c82f381355888"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1TTk8H3PIpnoMjJhEMUedwQW9ZCpfUiAJIWA LcOPziiP2Jf46zeVeN6EHK495dtMobVjxwUYYQwePAzlufGa3oEwqUa8cppwjf6Z6CZDoLz814vlrk 8kpk7B4LbwDWCbuUgYDPINWFv6pti/oo5raPhL2kCbCOWKsI7k49fvH9PQ== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 15:59:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a3a88ead1e50_a213fea78c82f381355888 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can close the connection if any packets larger than largest acked are acknowledged and skip over any ranges less than the smallest packet you're still tracking, so I believe any portion of an ack frame you have to process is still much smaller than the datastructure of outstanding packets. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/969#issuecomment-353103151 ----==_mimepart_5a3a88ead1e50_a213fea78c82f381355888 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

You can close the connection if any packets larger than largest acked ar= e acknowledged and skip over any ranges less than the smallest packet you'r= e still tracking, so I believe any portion of an ack frame you have to proc= ess is still much smaller than the datastructure of outstanding packets.

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= ----==_mimepart_5a3a88ead1e50_a213fea78c82f381355888-- From nobody Wed Dec 20 08:33:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB1F124B17 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 08:33:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PtRJ059GxojJ for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 08:33:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext2.iad.github.net [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F29351200FC for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 08:33:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 08:33:29 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1513787609; bh=7684zMYMZFtKGjjWhkhyEeAqKbGdaR+fu02ahQeMoMg=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ueL+T5cQfkc6g8M4jMj8o4up12fy/pwm4ZyvSJSa4+63fWIPEgzkazV2xIK3Q0DbV t1Y5ISWwkJIqKCPPNcUvt5f7bX+S2t4RjkCOoAl22dFe0nt+MRSwoQvGZRDef1djYA QmHxBfbCRouKqihrazAvDfOy4rhUcLy4yjH1bOgw= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connections SHOULD Respond to Connection Close Frames (#1029) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a3a90d9b6fa_75d93fa0cce4af2843864"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 16:33:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a3a90d9b6fa_75d93fa0cce4af2843864 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The spec currently says the following: > After receiving a closing frame, endpoints enter the draining state. An endpoint that receives a closing frame **MAY** send a single packet containing a closing frame before entering the draining state, using a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame and a NO_ERROR code if appropriate. An endpoint MUST NOT send further packets, which could result in a constant exchange of closing frames until the closing period on either peer ended. I'd like to make a case for changing that MAY to a SHOULD. If we are recommending that the sender of the initial CONNECTION_CLOSE wait the closing/draining period, why not recommend the receiver try to always respond to its frame with a CONNECTION_CLOSE of its own? Assuming it then obeys the rule about not sending any other packets, when (if) the initial closer receives the corresponding close frame, it now know that it shouldn't be receiving any other packets (other than possible reordered packets). In response to receiving the close response, the initial closer can then chose to either continue waiting the draining period to handle reordered packets or just immediately cleanup. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1029 ----==_mimepart_5a3a90d9b6fa_75d93fa0cce4af2843864 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The spec currently says the following:

After receiving a closing frame, endpoints enter the draining state.
An endpoint that receives a closing frame MAY send a single packet
containing a closing frame before entering the draining state, using
a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame and a NO_ERROR code if appropriate. An
endpoint MUST NOT send further packets, which could result in a
constant exchange of closing frames until the closing period on
either peer ended.

I'd like to make a case for changing that MAY to a SHOULD.

If we are recommending that the sender of the initial CONNECTION_CLOSE wait the closing/draining period, why not recommend the receiver try to always respond to its frame with a CONNECTION_CLOSE of its own? Assuming it then obeys the rule about not sending any other packets, when (if) the initial closer receives the corresponding close frame, it now know that it shouldn't be receiving any other packets (other than possible reordered packets).

In response to receiving the close response, the initial closer can then chose to either continue waiting the draining period to handle reordered packets or just immediately cleanup.

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----==_mimepart_5a3a90d9b6fa_75d93fa0cce4af2843864-- From nobody Wed Dec 20 13:21:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB8B124239 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 13:21:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.412 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.412 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dkUquWq9O8YY for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 13:21:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1A5A1200C5 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 13:21:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=p3WTrFhZ6kw7Cw0SpJnbgLxgJy0=; b=HtQLrOOqR6WkHEGD cjV8LBc7SlLIUaefRRk8t4i5AFei6kAgcazYGPghdGyvp5/ZC331A+m4YlTIiJyc FzNSBBCoMTVmkumEVP0zC9QJLl1m34h5tbTz3AF2N3F6U1TZBdWfzAtfhyN1LSkh Tid/KQVBxiDV3r1AFlq0fcC2PD8= Received: by filter1111p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1111p1mdw1-7289-5A3AD46A-F 2017-12-20 21:21:46.224621432 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0016p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id FpP5pWvRSKerk_fd4w0I-w for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2017 21:21:46.205 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 21:21:46 +0000 (UTC) From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK Frames should be in Increasing Packet Number Order (#969) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a3ad46a9bcd_518d3fae4c5f6f381583a2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1t/Hg7Kw/7gthEdmL45RnTqKyx/hWgTCKCi0 ggO+3ee15ezY2gZ2yR6Xftdk2hD8WuHObVM+Njlm1TQ9nOaQjofvCCMVnN7AsXfFYl1P8P86iaqb6k WzaoivyyXVzsEWZ6Fq2DU5vmd8zxyGFGms9/7GxFhwg17XYW137xRJnjlYgPAKmG2lLt/xP8ET/R4K I= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 21:21:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a3ad46a9bcd_518d3fae4c5f6f381583a2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know where the 10KB size comes from. See https://web.engr.oregonstate.edu/~erwig/papers/Diet_JFP98.pdf which is what I use in https://github.com/NTAP/quant/blob/master/lib/src/diet.c. It uses 24B per range. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/969#issuecomment-353185784 ----==_mimepart_5a3ad46a9bcd_518d3fae4c5f6f381583a2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't know where the 10KB size comes from. See https= ://web.engr.oregonstate.edu/~erwig/papers/Diet_JFP98.pdf which is what = I use in https://github.com/NTAP/quant/blob/master/lib/src/diet.c. It uses 24= B per range.

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Note that there are two problems. The ACK list needs access both up an= d down, but a doubly linked list does that. The ACK generation needs a SA= CK dashboard similar to that of TCP, and that requires a small list of ra= nge descriptors, but that's not hard either.

I would much rather keep the spec as is. Nick is raising a performance= optimization issue. Personally, I would rather like to see the spec stab= ilize before working full hog on performance optimization.

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= ----==_mimepart_5a3b3d4db3118_73f83ffadc69af341347625-- From nobody Thu Dec 21 00:09:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D753A120227 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 00:09:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.595 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.595 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RB9R2T0xRXCf for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 00:09:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3965D1200FC for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 00:09:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 00:09:11 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1513843751; bh=F5a8n7SrFfUlXVXCduyIajj126jKn2az4/1GMc/A+nY=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=DVuHxLjpS/9wgBEYUoTtoOe/VZFLK08JqiczHyvD0fu68VRHQAsTYrVE5N+HX144u dydS6SYnrhBZwrfT7fEH7oJMg3l7iwA65MKMDtwZHVKwFHRXz3gYXFHYBGjwlXDoWV mxL8Sd7q6b0ZobT3A1rrN1ZicWnHpCAOl5IEOAq8= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK Frames should be in Increasing Packet Number Order (#969) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a3b6c2764e30_73f53ffadc69af3422363b6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 08:09:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a3b6c2764e30_73f53ffadc69af3422363b6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The ACK format is fundamental to the implementations data-structures at a deep level, it needs to be roughly sorted out in v1. I can't imagine two completely different approaches running side by side to support v1 and v2 even if I can agree that performance details in general can be sorted later. Even if it is not that hard to run in either direction, once you choose a direction, it is hard to change unless you use a very simplistic approach. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/969#issuecomment-353285387 ----==_mimepart_5a3b6c2764e30_73f53ffadc69af3422363b6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The ACK format is fundamental to the implementations data-structures a= t a deep level, it needs to be roughly sorted out in v1. I can't imagine = two completely different approaches running side by side to support v1 an= d v2 even if I can agree that performance details in general can be sorte= d later. Even if it is not that hard to run in either direction, once you= choose a direction, it is hard to change unless you use a very simplisti= c approach.

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= ----==_mimepart_5a3b6c2764e30_73f53ffadc69af3422363b6-- From nobody Thu Dec 21 01:02:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC566124207 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 01:02:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VQ1YWILzpVTk for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 01:02:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext6.iad.github.net [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 413171272E1 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2017 01:02:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 01:02:09 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1513846929; bh=hCKuw8kdrVWeaEszGlQOyg9hgguYm4Ymh1jIljjiook=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Y7Vge+ebNcC3bKFD7iKRmfuP/0PG/AL6fVd2GwEE0zsshRv4QXzQ7/aET+aakSRjA XXH1604uZEk1ZvRWgkgL1qmapxtA2wCn+Pv/P/374N/cUh3d4sHHhDVJ38w7HMxUlp ZmHBXjxxjVtI9KGSLz9BA6Jl3aaZLCIhrFwY1QUg= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK Frames should be in Increasing Packet Number Order (#969) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a3b7891331b6_79ff3f9f5c1b4f28234609a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 09:02:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a3b7891331b6_79ff3f9f5c1b4f28234609a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is one way the reverse list could be processed in ascending order, assuming MTU < 2^64. - Stack allocate a 2-byte offset stack of 100 entries (or more if you like) - Scan the ack frame by pushing an offset for 1 in every 100 range entries seen. - If the offset table is exhausted, drop the rest of the ACK frame, or cry abuse / bad connection - Stack allocate a range table of 100 ranges (2 x 8 bytes x 100). - While offset stack not empty pop an offset from the offset table and fill the range table by reading up to 100 ranges then process that range back to front. Optimisations: - Treat the last offset (first in while loop) specially since it does not represent a fixed 100 ranges, and often is the only offset to process. - Use recursion with max depth = 100 to implement the offset stack, but pass the prealocated range table by reference for memory reuse. - When the ACK frame has a count of ranges in the header as opposed to a terminal null range, it is easy to detect if there are at most 100 ranges and go for the fast path immediately. This has low memory overhead and works in L1 cache by reusing the same temp table repeatedly. Likewise, dual passes over the ACK frame is cheap from a cache perspective. Varints are reasonably easy to scan without decoding in the first pass. While the algorithm may sound a bit involved, it is probably simpler and faster than encoding the ACK frame in ascending order. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/969#issuecomment-353296139 ----==_mimepart_5a3b7891331b6_79ff3f9f5c1b4f28234609a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Here is one way the reverse list could be processed in ascending order= , assuming MTU < 2^64.

  • Stack allocate a 2-byte offset stack of 100 entries (or more if you l= ike)
  • Scan the ack frame by pushing an offset for 1 in every 100 range entr= ies seen.
  • If the offset table is exhausted, drop the rest of the ACK frame, or = cry abuse / bad connection
  • Stack allocate a range table of 100 ranges (2 x 8 bytes x 100).
  • While offset stack not empty pop an offset from the offset table and = fill the range table by reading up to 100 ranges then process that range = back to front.

Optimisations:

  • Treat the last offset (first in while loop) specially since it does n= ot represent a fixed 100 ranges, and often is the only offset to process.=
  • Use recursion with max depth =3D 100 to implement the offset stack, b= ut pass the prealocated range table by reference for memory reuse.
  • When the ACK frame has a count of ranges in the header as opposed to = a terminal null range, it is easy to detect if there are at most 100 rang= es and go for the fast path immediately.

This has low memory overhead and works in L1 cache by reusing the same= temp table repeatedly. Likewise, dual passes over the ACK frame is cheap= from a cache perspective. Varints are reasonably easy to scan without de= coding in the first pass.

While the algorithm may sound a bit involved, it is probably simpler a= nd faster than encoding the ACK frame in ascending order.

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With the above algorithm I can sort of buy into the descending ACK argum= ent, but that leaves me with:

The transport doc does not currently explicitly state the ACK Block Coun= t is variable length, but I presume that it is. If so, how do you efficient= ly do a single pass ACK frame construction when you don't know the size of = the count field? Do you just use a large enough integer encoding? Do you us= e memmove to retro-fit? Do you preprocess to decide?

Transport 8.15:

ACK Block Count:
The number of Additional ACK Block (and Gap) fields after the First ACK Blo= ck.

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The changes to the handshake don't change anything to the opportunistic ACK attack. This attack was always only possible by doing an unverified connection migration.

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@mikkelfj an easy solution to the ACK Block Count variable is to always encode it using 2 bytes, even if the value could have used 1 byte. That way, you can go back and write the field afterwards.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -147,11 +149,16 @@ Origins SHOULD list only versions which are supported by the alternative, but
 MAY omit supported versions for any reason.
 
 
-# Connection Establishment {#connection-establishment}
+## Connection Establishment {#connection-establishment}
+
+HTTP/QUIC relies on QUIC as the underlying transport.  The QUIC version being
+used MUST use TLS version 1.3 or greater as its handshake protocol.  The Server
+Name Indication extension {{!RFC6066}} MUST be included in the TLS handshake.

I tried a couple of different wordings with the requirement on what to include in SNI, but nothing felt right. (Particularly in light of the Alt-Svc SNI draft, which suggests that the SNI might be something to which you don't actually intend to direct resources.) I ultimately decided to leave it at MUST use the extension and MUST make sure you've seen a valid cert for an origin before using the connection for it. If those two are related or not is a case-by-case choice by the implementation.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  connection establishment, HTTP/QUIC support is indicated by selecting the ALPN
-token "hq" in the crypto handshake.
+token "hq" in the crypto handshake.  Support for other application-layer

How about "TLS," since I've already said we're bound to that anyway? ;-)

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The current text on the "minimum enforced MTU" is contorted and spread over several paragraphs. I think the paragraph explaining that "QUIC depends on the network path supporting a MTU of at least 1280 octets" should be moved up, just after the introduction of path MTU, and before making statements such as "In the absence of these mechanisms, QUIC endpoints SHOULD NOT send IP packets larger than 1280 octets." Once this is said, we can have the additional text on server handshake messages. But we need to work some more on that text. > Servers MUST ignore an initial plaintext packet from a client if its total size is less than 1200 octets. +Similarly, servers MUST ensure that the first handshake packet they send to +clients, and any retransmissions of those octets, has a QUIC packet size that is +the same as the received initial client packet, unless the server knows the PMTU +to the client to be smaller. Sending a packet of this size ensures that the The client side "at least 1200 byte" is justified by a security concern, but that concern does not apply to server responses. I think we need some better text, and that the justification for the padding should come after the requirement of minimum 1280 MTU. Setting a minimum size for the first handshake packet ensures that the handshake will fail if the network does not support the recommended MTU, and is only justified if we want enforce the "minimum 1280" requirement. But if we do that, maybe we should develop the idea in a full paragraph. For example, is it OK to meet the requirement in IPv4 by setting the DF bit to "fragmentation authorized"? > Servers MUST ignore an initial plaintext packet from a client if its total size is less than 1200 octets. +Similarly, servers MUST ensure that the first handshake packet they send to +clients, and any retransmissions of those octets, has a QUIC packet size that is +the same as the received initial client packet, unless the server knows the PMTU +to the client to be smaller. Sending a packet of this size ensures that the I am a bit skeptical about the requirement for "any retransmissions of those octets". It will be yet another special case in the handling of re-transmission. The net effect will be that servers pad all handshake message re-transmissions to 1200 bytes. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@huitema commented on this pull request.

The current text on the "minimum enforced MTU" is contorted and spread over several paragraphs. I think the paragraph explaining that "QUIC depends on the network path supporting a MTU of at least 1280 octets" should be moved up, just after the introduction of path MTU, and before making statements such as "In the absence of these mechanisms, QUIC endpoints SHOULD NOT send IP packets larger than 1280 octets."

Once this is said, we can have the additional text on server handshake messages. But we need to work some more on that text.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 Servers MUST ignore an initial plaintext packet from a client if its total size
 is less than 1200 octets.
 
+Similarly, servers MUST ensure that the first handshake packet they send to
+clients, and any retransmissions of those octets, has a QUIC packet size that is
+the same as the received initial client packet, unless the server knows the PMTU
+to the client to be smaller. Sending a packet of this size ensures that the

The client side "at least 1200 byte" is justified by a security concern, but that concern does not apply to server responses. I think we need some better text, and that the justification for the padding should come after the requirement of minimum 1280 MTU. Setting a minimum size for the first handshake packet ensures that the handshake will fail if the network does not support the recommended MTU, and is only justified if we want enforce the "minimum 1280" requirement.

But if we do that, maybe we should develop the idea in a full paragraph. For example, is it OK to meet the requirement in IPv4 by setting the DF bit to "fragmentation authorized"?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 Servers MUST ignore an initial plaintext packet from a client if its total size
 is less than 1200 octets.
 
+Similarly, servers MUST ensure that the first handshake packet they send to
+clients, and any retransmissions of those octets, has a QUIC packet size that is
+the same as the received initial client packet, unless the server knows the PMTU
+to the client to be smaller. Sending a packet of this size ensures that the

I am a bit skeptical about the requirement for "any retransmissions of those octets". It will be yet another special case in the handling of re-transmission. The net effect will be that servers pad all handshake message re-transmissions to 1200 bytes.

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In preparation for a hopefully-better linting approach, I found that the current linter is actually allowing slightly more characters than it says it is and we have a few longish figure lines. No non-whitespace changes, but in recovery I did have to split two things across lines. Ian, if you'd rather do intermediate calculations here, go for it.

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----==_mimepart_5a401314bbbad_62a3f8641ae0f2c1266058-- From nobody Sun Dec 24 12:52:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 721CB126579 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 2017 12:52:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oQiNIdpkp5hA for ; Sun, 24 Dec 2017 12:52:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5C321242F7 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 2017 12:52:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=p4inkuIxaJnmvYkdvTYFvV8rHa4=; b=u+vu03COG3zW2pZ+ fZOD7n9A8sEsZdwkqFg2Cpr9mCF41u/mjnis8PuUvvB2qvdR2gLzi92OoO24dQwb XuW2SRzuEeUZvijfGIdGEpBCz8Eml5vB0dOmKprxvW+G/+9SnNfaW+YX3XKPo3/M f7SUe3ChzGr0owj/UFZBXfdPQ7w= Received: by filter1100p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1100p1mdw1-11073-5A401377-1 2017-12-24 20:52:07.023412277 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0010p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id DfWAhVNuTxuVONysK8nPvw for ; Sun, 24 Dec 2017 20:52:06.977 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2017 20:52:07 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Python linting script (#1032) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a401376d973d_75b63ffa896d4f346718f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2P7yhEHtpfCcIviXQtwRU+ZDcWf9oI19wuR/ /kn5j8EVUgND1w2stdlLIsfh1jz9l+Kmi5hCLnCA7XuyNiyBwfJXPa8vnUXvYPEoPpWHnxtUnQUNWZ /b3AZXhmXZw9RMoeMI3TdJmKDqgWaA59nmDh1dlcu17nfcCIHsBWINcHR6i0+35df+bwCLifS7F3RG c= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2017 20:52:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a401376d973d_75b63ffa896d4f346718f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Per @martinthomson's suggestion, keep linting every time and just lint more quickly. `make lint` now runs in about three seconds on WSL, which seems acceptable. Depends on https://github.com/martinthomson/i-d-template/pull/127 to add Python 3.x support to the Docker image for Circle support and local support simultaneously. Builds on #1031. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1032 -- Commit Summary -- * Make figures comply with 65-character limit * Use Python script to lint drafts * Fix mode on .lint.py for non-Windows systems -- File Changes -- A .lint.py (64) M Makefile (10) M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (60) M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (116) M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (12) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1032.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1032.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1032 ----==_mimepart_5a401376d973d_75b63ffa896d4f346718f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Per @martinthomson's suggestion, keep linting every time and just lint more quickly. make lint now runs in about three seconds on WSL, which seems acceptable. Depends on martinthomson/i-d-template#127 to add Python 3.x support to the Docker image for Circle support and local support simultaneously. Builds on #1031.

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  • Make figures comply with 65-character limit
  • Use Python script to lint drafts
  • Fix mode on .lint.py for non-Windows systems

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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

LGTM, with one suggestion

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +    // min_rtt ignores ack delay.
+    min_rtt = min(min_rtt, latest_rtt)
+    // Adjust for ack delay if it's plausible.
+    if (latest_rtt - min_rtt > ack_delay):
+      latest_rtt -= ack_delay
+      // Only save into max ack delay if it's used
+      // for rtt calculation and is not ack only.
+      if (!sent_packets[ack.largest_acked].ack_only)
+        max_ack_delay = max(max_ack_delay, ack_delay)
+    // Based on {{?RFC6298}}.
+    if (smoothed_rtt == 0):
+      smoothed_rtt = latest_rtt
+      rttvar = latest_rtt / 2
+    else:
+      rttvar = 3/4 * rttvar + 1/4 *
+        abs(smoothed_rtt - latest_rtt)

how about:

rttvar_sample = abs(smoothed_rtt - latest_rtt)
rttvar = 3/4 * rttvar + 1/4 * rttvar_sample

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----==_mimepart_5a40e1989f154_50e13ffbfbe90f34114948b-- From nobody Mon Dec 25 16:12:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54016126CE8 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 2017 16:12:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.03 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.03 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BIMYLKuFb560 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 2017 16:12:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5EF9F126C2F for ; Mon, 25 Dec 2017 16:12:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=0fKUhSYUOutzLSQHHRvcbMvpZk0=; b=eClSkSNl9vwKMsna gR8l2+agUIs6kpd8uHSxZb8HFV3OTufrF5iRjIpbGFjXXGvLbrbhEg/pq/uJ9GIu YtomOg+ggqYtZnqLH9EFEtW4ZcuGsV/bM/4noWlsDuXj5ITEGdTvfmqAIz8btYBh aAcoey0qfo9TaDomfMjl0wjOB1E= Received: by filter0632p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0632p1las1-28370-5A4193E0-E 2017-12-26 00:12:16.245575072 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id tWi-SA_jTia_6wjDFDhElg for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2017 00:12:16.140 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 00:12:16 +0000 (UTC) From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] A more complete connection migration (#1012) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a4193e07fbf_4cc03ffa896d4f34224701"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0+jenUJ8imzbcAUfiqGcOXhvLx9rdauhCdVm QdVoV9zroDGrQNqcimwe6lqqwmr4khJ89GQwwLcM4wGvy6hpX2Wn+l8jrM3mcWNiS5ULn1YWg1+Dj6 Wc/1InlTp7/0Qu4XzOv0RtjP3cnHoVBDDyDt+EmmnlRDNZaLJ+wyN4BoobxFZgTNw+sAg8ctNREUSA I= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 00:12:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a4193e07fbf_4cc03ffa896d4f34224701 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have mixed feelings about this. First, I am not sure that this belongs to the frame layer. The path challenge is in many ways similar to a client initial packet. It requires the same kind of padding, for the same reason. And it carries similar content restrictions such as "no other frame allowed". A new packet type might be more appropriate than a frame type. Second, this probably requires a three ways handshake, not just a question response. And it would be better served with a symmetric structure -- Maybe "your nonce, my nonce", so as to allow symmetry. Then, there maybe a need for more attributes than nonces, especially if we want to handle NAT rebinding. Like, echoing the address from where this was sent. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1012#issuecomment-353897083 ----==_mimepart_5a4193e07fbf_4cc03ffa896d4f34224701 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have mixed feelings about this. First, I am not sure that this belongs= to the frame layer. The path challenge is in many ways similar to a client= initial packet. It requires the same kind of padding, for the same reason.= And it carries similar content restrictions such as "no other frame allowe= d". A new packet type might be more appropriate than a frame type.

Second, this probably requires a three ways handshake, not just a questi= on response. And it would be better served with a symmetric structure --
Maybe "your nonce, my nonce", so as to allow symmetry.

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I guess my uneasiness stems from the PR's scope - supporting both invo= luntary transition like NAT remapping and voluntary transition like make = before break. The latter addresses maybe 80% of the multi path issues, an= d I don't like addressing that without completing the multi path work. Si= ne full multipath is indeed out of scope for V1, how about simplifying dr= astically and only addressing involuntary NAT rebinding?

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I think this is not quite ready yet. We should separate the NAT Rebinding and the network migration scenario. We should be explicit about the "per path" nature of congestion and PMTU. We should consider encrypting the sequence number. > @@ -702,6 +702,10 @@ use it for all subsequent Handshake ({{packet-handshake}}) and 1-RTT Server's Version Negotiation ({{packet-version}}) and Retry ({{packet-retry}}) packets MUST use connection ID selected by the client. +Note that the connection ID may change during the connection via the use of +NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames ({{frame-new-connection-id}}) and connection migration +({{migration}}). + The connection ID SHOULD change during the connection. In fact, it is debatable whether the client should engage in connection migration if the server has not provided new connection identifiers via the use of NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames. Maybe it should use close/resume instead. > @@ -1465,35 +1470,220 @@ connection if the integrity check fails with a PROTOCOL_VIOLATION error code. ## Connection Migration {#migration} -QUIC connections are identified by their 64-bit Connection ID. QUIC's -consistent connection ID allows connections to survive changes to the client's -IP and/or port, such as those caused by client or server migrating to a new -network. Connection migration allows a client to retain any shared state with a -connection when they move networks. This includes state that can be hard to -recover such as outstanding requests, which might otherwise be lost with no easy -way to retry them. +QUIC connections are identified by 64-bit connection IDs. QUIC's connection IDs +allow connections to survive changes to the client's address (client's IP +address and/or port), such as those caused by a client migrating to a new +network or a NAT rebinding changing the client's public address. I think we should really distinguish between NAT rebinding and connection migration. The clients can generally not anticipate that a NAT rebinding will occur, and are thus likely to continue using the same connection ID as before the rebinding. In contrast, clients can generally control the decision to start migration to a new network, and should use a new connection ID when doing that. > + +A server validates a client's address by sending a PATH_CHALLENGE frame +containing a payload that is hard to guess to that address. The server +considers the address to be valid when a PATH_RESPONSE frame containing the same +payload is received from the client. + +Similarly, a client verifies the PMTU of a network path from a new client +address to the server by sending a PMTU-sized packet carrying a PATH_CHALLENGE +frame. The client considers the PMTU verified when a PATH_RESPONSE frame +containing the same payload sent by the server to the new client address is +received. + + +### Client Behavior {#migration-client} + +A client triggers connection migration to a new address by sending a We really need to separate involuntary NAT rebinding and voluntary migration. > +but it MUST limit the rate at which data is sent to an unvalidated address, and +it MUST limit the amount of time for which it sends data to an unvalidated +address. + + +#### Responding to a Client's Probe + +When a server receives a PATH_CHALLENGE frame from a client, it MUST generate a +PATH_RESPONSE frame that contains the same data as the challenge. The server's +PATH_RESPONSE MUST be sent to the address from which the client's PATH_CHALLENGE +was received. + +The server sends the PATH_RESPONSE in a packet that is padded to no more than +the size of the client's packet carrying the PATH_CHALLENGE. The server SHOULD +pad the packet to the same size as the client's packet, unless the server has +reasonable assurance of a smaller PMTU. Security consideration: if we allow PATH RESPONSE packets to be larger than the PATH CHALLENGE packet that triggered them, we enable a reflection DOD attack. > +When a server receives a PATH_CHALLENGE frame from a client, it MUST generate a +PATH_RESPONSE frame that contains the same data as the challenge. The server's +PATH_RESPONSE MUST be sent to the address from which the client's PATH_CHALLENGE +was received. + +The server sends the PATH_RESPONSE in a packet that is padded to no more than +the size of the client's packet carrying the PATH_CHALLENGE. The server SHOULD +pad the packet to the same size as the client's packet, unless the server has +reasonable assurance of a smaller PMTU. + +The server need not retransmit its PATH_RESPONSE, since it is the client's +responsibility to send more PATH_CHALLENGE frames when a response is not +received for a prior one. + +Servers MUST ignore a PATH_CHALLENGE frame from a client that is carried in a +packet smaller than 1200 octets in size. Yes. Security consideration as to why? > +A PATH_CHALLENGE frame used for validation MUST contain at least 12 randomly +generated octets {{?RFC4086}}, making the payload sufficiently hard to guess. + +The server MUST use fresh random data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that it +can associate the client's response with the causative PATH_CHALLENGE. Not +using fresh random data risks exposing the server to an attacker defeating +validation by sending a spoofed PATH_RESPONSE from a victim's address. + +Until a client address is deemed valid, the server MUST limit the rate at +which it sends data to this address. The server SHOULD NOT send more than an +initial window's worth of bytes (as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}}) per estimated +roundtrip period. In the absence of this limit, the server risks being used for +a denial of service attack against an unsuspecting victim. + +When validation of an address fails, the server SHOULD revert back to using the +last validated client address, absent which the server MUST close the connection Basically, starting a new path should reset the congestion control algorithm to ts starting condition. Just say so. > +### Loss Detection and Congestion Control + +There may be apparent reordering at the receiver when an endpoint sends data and +probes from/to multiple addresses during the migration period, since the two +resulting paths may have different rountrip times. A receiver of packets on +multiple paths will still send ACK frames covering all received packets. + +Both endpoints use one congestion control and one loss recovery context, as +described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. A sender MAY make an exception for probe +packets so that their loss detection is independent and does not unduly cause +the congestion controller to reduce its sending rate. + +For instance, an endpoint may run a separate alarm when a PATH_CHALLENGE is +sent, which is disarmed when the corresponding PATH_RESPONSE is received. If the +alarm fires before the PATH_RESPONSE is received, the endpoint might send a new +PATH_CHALLENGE, and restart the alarm, but for a longer period of time. I see the discussion of the congestion control window, but I do not see an equivalent discussion of flow control and the MAX_DATA frame. Yet if the client migrates to a slow connection, MAX_DATA is going to be way too large. Where is that discussed? > @@ -1541,112 +1731,6 @@ number. "packet_number_secret" is derived from the TLS key exchange, as described in Section 5.6 of {{QUIC-TLS}}. The packet-number-gap trick only works if both the client and the server do it, and if both refrain from sending any packet on the old connection in parallel with the new connection. That seems very fragile. We should really consider encrypting the packet sequence number. Note that all this discussion only applies to voluntary migration. It does not apply to NAT rebinding. If the client cannot anticipate the NAT rebinding, it will not be able to switch to a new connection ID or to insert a gap in the sequence numbers. > +: This 8-bit value describes the length of the Data field. + +Data: + +: This variable-length field contains arbitrary data. + + +The sender of this frame MUST include at least one octet of data in the Data +field. + +The recipient of this frame MUST generate a PATH_RESPONSE frame +({{frame-path-response}}) containing the same Data. An endpoint that receives a +PATH_CHALLENGE frame containing an empty payload MUST generate a connection +error of type FRAME_ERROR, indicating the PATH_CHALLENGE frame (that is, 0x0e). + +A PATH_CHALLENGE frame MUST NOT elicit acknowledgements; the corresponding I have a feeling that this text about the composition of challenge response is repeated multiple times. Can we simplify? > -The PONG frame (type=0x0d) is sent in response to a PING frame that contains -data. Its format is identical to the PING frame ({{frame-ping}}). +An endpoint that receives a PATH_RESPONSE frame containing an empty payload MUST +generate a connection error of type FRAME_ERROR, indicating the PATH_RESPONSE +frame (that is, 0x0e). If the content of a PATH_RESPONSE frame does not match +the content of a PATH_CHALLENGE frame previously sent by the endpoint, the +endpoint MAY generate a connection error of type UNSOLICITED_PATH_RESPONSE. Did we say before that path challenges do not need to be acked? Presumably, some servers will want to repeat them. Should the repeated challenge have exactly the same content as the original challenge? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1012#pullrequestreview-85751888 ----==_mimepart_5a4446447330a_7dd13f8641ae0f2c8765ae Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@huitema requested changes on this pull request.

I think this is not quite ready yet. We should separate the NAT Rebinding and the network migration scenario. We should be explicit about the "per path" nature of congestion and PMTU. We should consider encrypting the sequence number.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -702,6 +702,10 @@ use it for all subsequent Handshake ({{packet-handshake}}) and 1-RTT
 Server's Version Negotiation ({{packet-version}}) and Retry ({{packet-retry}})
 packets MUST use connection ID selected by the client.
 
+Note that the connection ID may change during the connection via the use of
+NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames ({{frame-new-connection-id}}) and connection migration
+({{migration}}).
+

The connection ID SHOULD change during the connection.

In fact, it is debatable whether the client should engage in connection migration if the server has not provided new connection identifiers via the use of NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames. Maybe it should use close/resume instead.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1465,35 +1470,220 @@ connection if the integrity check fails with a PROTOCOL_VIOLATION error code.
 
 ## Connection Migration {#migration}
 
-QUIC connections are identified by their 64-bit Connection ID.  QUIC's
-consistent connection ID allows connections to survive changes to the client's
-IP and/or port, such as those caused by client or server migrating to a new
-network.  Connection migration allows a client to retain any shared state with a
-connection when they move networks.  This includes state that can be hard to
-recover such as outstanding requests, which might otherwise be lost with no easy
-way to retry them.
+QUIC connections are identified by 64-bit connection IDs. QUIC's connection IDs
+allow connections to survive changes to the client's address (client's IP
+address and/or port), such as those caused by a client migrating to a new
+network or a NAT rebinding changing the client's public address.

I think we should really distinguish between NAT rebinding and connection migration. The clients can generally not anticipate that a NAT rebinding will occur, and are thus likely to continue using the same connection ID as before the rebinding. In contrast, clients can generally control the decision to start migration to a new network, and should use a new connection ID when doing that.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+A server validates a client's address by sending a PATH_CHALLENGE frame
+containing a payload that is hard to guess to that address.  The server
+considers the address to be valid when a PATH_RESPONSE frame containing the same
+payload is received from the client.
+
+Similarly, a client verifies the PMTU of a network path from a new client
+address to the server by sending a PMTU-sized packet carrying a PATH_CHALLENGE
+frame. The client considers the PMTU verified when a PATH_RESPONSE frame
+containing the same payload sent by the server to the new client address is
+received.
+
+
+### Client Behavior {#migration-client}
+
+A client triggers connection migration to a new address by sending a

We really need to separate involuntary NAT rebinding and voluntary migration.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +but it MUST limit the rate at which data is sent to an unvalidated address, and
+it MUST limit the amount of time for which it sends data to an unvalidated
+address.
+
+
+#### Responding to a Client's Probe
+
+When a server receives a PATH_CHALLENGE frame from a client, it MUST generate a
+PATH_RESPONSE frame that contains the same data as the challenge. The server's
+PATH_RESPONSE MUST be sent to the address from which the client's PATH_CHALLENGE
+was received.
+
+The server sends the PATH_RESPONSE in a packet that is padded to no more than
+the size of the client's packet carrying the PATH_CHALLENGE.  The server SHOULD
+pad the packet to the same size as the client's packet, unless the server has
+reasonable assurance of a smaller PMTU.

Security consideration: if we allow PATH RESPONSE packets to be larger than the PATH CHALLENGE packet that triggered them, we enable a reflection DOD attack.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +When a server receives a PATH_CHALLENGE frame from a client, it MUST generate a
+PATH_RESPONSE frame that contains the same data as the challenge. The server's
+PATH_RESPONSE MUST be sent to the address from which the client's PATH_CHALLENGE
+was received.
+
+The server sends the PATH_RESPONSE in a packet that is padded to no more than
+the size of the client's packet carrying the PATH_CHALLENGE.  The server SHOULD
+pad the packet to the same size as the client's packet, unless the server has
+reasonable assurance of a smaller PMTU.
+
+The server need not retransmit its PATH_RESPONSE, since it is the client's
+responsibility to send more PATH_CHALLENGE frames when a response is not
+received for a prior one.
+
+Servers MUST ignore a PATH_CHALLENGE frame from a client that is carried in a
+packet smaller than 1200 octets in size.

Yes. Security consideration as to why?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +A PATH_CHALLENGE frame used for validation MUST contain at least 12 randomly
+generated octets {{?RFC4086}}, making the payload sufficiently hard to guess.
+
+The server MUST use fresh random data in every PATH_CHALLENGE frame so that it
+can associate the client's response with the causative PATH_CHALLENGE.  Not
+using fresh random data risks exposing the server to an attacker defeating
+validation by sending a spoofed PATH_RESPONSE from a victim's address.
+
+Until a client address is deemed valid, the server MUST limit the rate at
+which it sends data to this address. The server SHOULD NOT send more than an
+initial window's worth of bytes (as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}}) per estimated
+roundtrip period.  In the absence of this limit, the server risks being used for
+a denial of service attack against an unsuspecting victim.
+
+When validation of an address fails, the server SHOULD revert back to using the
+last validated client address, absent which the server MUST close the connection

Basically, starting a new path should reset the congestion control algorithm to ts starting condition. Just say so.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +### Loss Detection and Congestion Control
+
+There may be apparent reordering at the receiver when an endpoint sends data and
+probes from/to multiple addresses during the migration period, since the two
+resulting paths may have different rountrip times.  A receiver of packets on
+multiple paths will still send ACK frames covering all received packets.
+
+Both endpoints use one congestion control and one loss recovery context, as
+described in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.  A sender MAY make an exception for probe
+packets so that their loss detection is independent and does not unduly cause
+the congestion controller to reduce its sending rate.
+
+For instance, an endpoint may run a separate alarm when a PATH_CHALLENGE is
+sent, which is disarmed when the corresponding PATH_RESPONSE is received. If the
+alarm fires before the PATH_RESPONSE is received, the endpoint might send a new
+PATH_CHALLENGE, and restart the alarm, but for a longer period of time.

I see the discussion of the congestion control window, but I do not see an equivalent discussion of flow control and the MAX_DATA frame. Yet if the client migrates to a slow connection, MAX_DATA is going to be way too large. Where is that discussed?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1541,112 +1731,6 @@ number. "packet_number_secret" is derived from the TLS key exchange,
 as described in Section 5.6 of {{QUIC-TLS}}.

The packet-number-gap trick only works if both the client and the server do it, and if both refrain from sending any packet on the old connection in parallel with the new connection. That seems very fragile. We should really consider encrypting the packet sequence number.

Note that all this discussion only applies to voluntary migration. It does not apply to NAT rebinding. If the client cannot anticipate the NAT rebinding, it will not be able to switch to a new connection ID or to insert a gap in the sequence numbers.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +: This 8-bit value describes the length of the Data field.
+
+Data:
+
+: This variable-length field contains arbitrary data.
+
+
+The sender of this frame MUST include at least one octet of data in the Data
+field.
+
+The recipient of this frame MUST generate a PATH_RESPONSE frame
+({{frame-path-response}}) containing the same Data.  An endpoint that receives a
+PATH_CHALLENGE frame containing an empty payload MUST generate a connection
+error of type FRAME_ERROR, indicating the PATH_CHALLENGE frame (that is, 0x0e).
+
+A PATH_CHALLENGE frame MUST NOT elicit acknowledgements; the corresponding

I have a feeling that this text about the composition of challenge response is repeated multiple times. Can we simplify?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-The PONG frame (type=0x0d) is sent in response to a PING frame that contains
-data.  Its format is identical to the PING frame ({{frame-ping}}).
+An endpoint that receives a PATH_RESPONSE frame containing an empty payload MUST
+generate a connection error of type FRAME_ERROR, indicating the PATH_RESPONSE
+frame (that is, 0x0e).  If the content of a PATH_RESPONSE frame does not match
+the content of a PATH_CHALLENGE frame previously sent by the endpoint, the
+endpoint MAY generate a connection error of type UNSOLICITED_PATH_RESPONSE.

Did we say before that path challenges do not need to be acked? Presumably, some servers will want to repeat them. Should the repeated challenge have exactly the same content as the original challenge?

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A number of things I found confusing when (finally) implementing Transport Parameters (7.4 of the transport draft)

  1. Figure 6 indicates that the opaque value varies over the range of a 16-bit integer, but the values are 0, 8, 16, or 32 bits depending on the parameter.
  2. Given that the length of the value is type-dependent, I'm not sure how an endpoint can "ignore transport parameters that it does not support" (Sec 7.4.3). How would I skip it if I don't know how long it is?

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----==_mimepart_5a454bdef2f3d_549a3fcb531caf30120118d-- From nobody Sat Dec 30 12:22:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81BCD1205F1 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 12:22:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.607 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.607 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jok4ZWJ3RkLs for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 12:22:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5C731201F2 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 12:22:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=meFuiuCNJnUqVEmVz+mzOD/rIlU=; b=h4FV27x2YHHbiZX+ cNvJ3iKfWCjDLUzD/izvIc6/GvDMXpTipacDa+Tan8bkHxA5Zko+rfoGvw+RPqEu +mVR/gRLVJmLgbDcid+bu4hOE/5PJfYSkL7aVGSn1LZUpPvzEasWfAGExPQVTBHa 3QXKDzRDyne+UefR+ZutpcAeAv4= Received: by filter0219p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0219p1las1-9778-5A47F578-15 2017-12-30 20:22:16.16816258 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0015p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id IKx3tF-tSkGJ004_TtdLzA for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:22:16.117 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:22:16 +0000 (UTC) From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] The packet number gap is overspecified (#1034) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5a47f578856a_10623fcebbd0ef345037f5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1kpSsN2yIHQ45VU+kOFn6LoW5rpgDAOQZYDU XCJNf+mSS6SQihd+ywpoCS1S9CZ42qk+g7yFZ7Uy1QD3moK6pGNo/DffWR8uXtAqoPpuWNgC7XKoaB 4sbeKs8aSIT6JW1RNcMsXZ3amwSElV/6ob7/G5slzHT6V1H4MjPgws6hJ6dIOhYudFUpgPX6G2M+XI w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:22:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5a47f578856a_10623fcebbd0ef345037f5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The "Packet Number Gap" is currently specified in section 7.7.1.1 of the transport draft. The section correctly states that "In order to avoid linkage, the packet number gap MUST be externally indistinguishable from random." But then, it goes on to present a cryptographic formula: ~~~ Gap = HKDF-Expand-Label(packet_number_secret, "QUIC packet sequence gap", sequence, 4) ~~~ The formula relies on a "packet number secret" derived from the master secret. This seems seriously over specified. What is exactly the reason to use this derivation, rather than merely drawing a 32 bit random number? Why the complexity of another call to the crypto library, and another secret to maintain in the connection context? Do we expect the receiving end of the connection to verify that the gap has been computed using the proper secret? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1034 ----==_mimepart_5a47f578856a_10623fcebbd0ef345037f5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The "Packet Number Gap" is currently specified in section 7.7.1.1 of the transport draft. The section correctly states that "In order to avoid linkage, the packet number gap MUST be externally indistinguishable from random." But then, it goes on to present a cryptographic formula:

Gap = HKDF-Expand-Label(packet_number_secret,
                        "QUIC packet sequence gap", sequence, 4)

The formula relies on a "packet number secret" derived from the master secret.

This seems seriously over specified. What is exactly the reason to use this derivation, rather than merely drawing a 32 bit random number? Why the complexity of another call to the crypto library, and another secret to maintain in the connection context? Do we expect the receiving end of the connection to verify that the gap has been computed using the proper secret?

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Also, the current text is hard to follow, due to the use of "sequence nu= mber" for both the packet sequence number and the "number of the chosen con= nection ID in the sequence of new connection ID". I had to read it multiple= times to decipher what was actually requested.

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Not only is it complicated, it does not even achieve the stated privacy = goal. It is unclear from the text if the server also applies the gap, or no= t. But if it does apply the gap, it will be the same gap as the client, and= adversaries can find that to link the old and the new context. And if it d= oes not apply the gap, then adversaries can also link the old and new conte= xt...

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1541,112 +1731,6 @@ number. "packet_number_secret" is derived from the TLS key exchange,
 as described in Section 5.6 of {{QUIC-TLS}}.

See issue #1034. The packet number gap is a complex mechanism that does not actually protect privacy, because client and server apply the same gap.

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