From nobody Thu Jun 8 04:14:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3207B12DFDB for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 04:14:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.234 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.234 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tb_wl6roEGUM for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 04:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.santannapisa.it (mail.santannapisa.it [193.205.80.98]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C9F128C83 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2017 04:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.30.2.210] ([10.30.2.210] verified) by santannapisa.it (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.11) with ESMTP id 121604189 for sfc@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2017 13:14:20 +0200 From: Barbara Martini To: sfc@ietf.org Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 13:14:22 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B4408EC278450428F6B27D06" Archived-At: Subject: [sfc] CFP - 3rd IEEE Workshop on Orchestration for Software-Defined Infrastructures (O4SDI) X-BeenThere: sfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Service Chaining List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 11:14:26 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B4408EC278450428F6B27D06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Please accept our apologies if you receive multiple copies of this CFP ************************************************************************ 3rd IEEE Workshop on Orchestration for Software-Defined Infrastructures (O4SDI) http://o4sdi.unibo.it/o4sdi3 To be held in conjunction with the 2017 IEEE Conference on Network Function Virtualization and Software Defined Networks (IEEE NFV-SDN 2017) 6th November 2017 // Berlin, Germany ************************************************************************ The current industry trend of convergence between computing and networking eco-systems clearly shows that software will play an unprecedented dominant role also in future communication environments. Computing, storage, and connectivity services, as well as any other present and future application instances, will be deployed in the form of virtualized assets within a software-defined infrastructure running on top of general-purpose processing and communication hardware, all managed and made available under the cloud “As A Service” paradigm. This technological convergence and infrastructure sharing between the computing and communication systems portend a scenario with a “fog” of micro-clouds composed of generalized virtual functions providing both applications and network services that supplement those deployed in traditional cloud datacenters. The Third IEEE Workshop on Orchestration for Software-Defined Infrastructures (O4SDI) addresses the challenges that will facilitate orchestration and programmability of generalized virtual functions in Software Defined Infrastructures (SDI), enabling cloud and network providers to deploy integrated services across different resource domains. Orchestration mechanisms will facilitate the live deployment and lifecycle management of these virtual elements, at the application level, the server level, and the network level within a single domain and across multiple domains. Without such orchestration it will not be possible to enable dynamic establishment of generalized virtual functions chains, according to service requirements. These challenges of orchestration are many-fold, with many open questions that need to be addressed in the areas of: ● network "softwarization" which requires unified management of computing, storage, and network resources for the effective deployment, lifecycle management, and run-time configuration of generalized virtual functions; ● abstraction models and open standard interfaces, needed for assuring vendor interoperability; ● adaptation and optimization mechanisms, which must be enforced at global and/or local level for coping with user demand, application requirements, resource unavailability, etc. O4SDI aims at providing an international forum for researchers and practitioners from academia, industry, network operators, and service providers to discuss and address the challenges deriving from such emerging scenario where systems, processes, and workflows used in both computing and communications domains are converging. The workshop welcomes contributions from both computing and network-oriented research communities, with the aim of facilitating discussion, cross-fertilization and exchange of ideas and practices, and successfully promote innovative solutions toward a real programmatic use of software-defined infrastructures as a whole. Contributions that discuss lessons learnt and best practices, describe practical deployment and implementation experiences, and demonstrate innovative use-cases are especially encouraged for presentation and publication. We are particularly interested in papers that cover, but are not limited to, the following topics: ● single domain and cross domain orchestration issues ● integrated network and computing resource control and management ● control and abstraction of heterogeneous networks ● orchestration in SDN/NFV ● run-time orchestration ● orchestration for next-generation IP and optical networks ● orchestration in 5G networks ● QoS/QoE in software-defined infrastructures ● orchestration for high-availability and resilience in software-defined infrastructures ● intent-based orchestration ● orchestration for fog computing and networking ● dynamic service composition and delivery ● network programmability for service chaining ● orchestration of network slices and data center slices ● software engineering and operating systems techniques applied to orchestration ● description, specification, and abstraction languages for orchestration ● optimal orchestration algorithms ● context-aware orchestration ● functional architectures of orchestrating elements ● testbed experiments on orchestrations ● performance evaluation of orchestration elements ● standardization issues in orchestration ● best practices in orchestration Important Dates - Workshop Paper Submission: July 9, 2017 - Notification of Acceptance: August 28, 2017 - Camera-ready Submission: September 15, 2017 Paper submissions will be handled on-line through the EDAS system. 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                         3rd IEEE Workshop on
      Orchestration for Software-Defined Infrastructures (O4SDI)
                     http://o4sdi.unibo.it/o4sdi3

      To be held in conjunction with the 2017 IEEE Conference on
    Network Function Virtualization and Software Defined Networks
                         (IEEE NFV-SDN 2017)
                 6th November 2017 // Berlin, Germany

************************************************************************

The  current  industry  trend   of  convergence  between  computing  and
networking  eco-systems  clearly  shows   that  software  will  play  an
unprecedented    dominant   role    also    in   future    communication
environments. Computing, storage, and  connectivity services, as well as
any other present and future  application instances, will be deployed in
the form of virtualized  assets within a software-defined infrastructure
running on top of general-purpose processing and communication hardware,
all  managed  and  made  available   under  the  cloud  “As  A  Service”
paradigm.  This  technological  convergence and  infrastructure  sharing
between the computing and communication  systems portend a scenario with
a  “fog”  of  micro-clouds  composed of  generalized  virtual  functions
providing both  applications and network services  that supplement those
deployed in traditional cloud datacenters.

The   Third  IEEE   Workshop  on   Orchestration  for   Software-Defined
Infrastructures (O4SDI)  addresses the  challenges that  will facilitate
orchestration and  programmability of  generalized virtual  functions in
Software  Defined  Infrastructures  (SDI), enabling  cloud  and  network
providers  to  deploy  integrated  services  across  different  resource
domains. Orchestration  mechanisms will  facilitate the  live deployment
and lifecycle management  of these virtual elements,  at the application
level, the  server level, and the  network level within a  single domain
and across multiple  domains. Without such orchestration it  will not be
possible  to   enable  dynamic  establishment  of   generalized  virtual
functions chains, according to service requirements.

These  challenges  of  orchestration   are  many-fold,  with  many  open
questions that need to be addressed in the areas of:

●  network   "softwarization"  which  requires  unified   management  of
  computing,  storage,   and  network   resources  for   the  effective
  deployment,  lifecycle  management,  and  run-time  configuration  of
  generalized virtual functions;

●  abstraction models  and open standard interfaces,  needed for assuring
  vendor interoperability;

●  adaptation and  optimization mechanisms,  which must  be enforced  at
  global and/or  local level for  coping with user  demand, application
  requirements, resource unavailability, etc.

O4SDI  aims at  providing  an international  forum  for researchers  and
practitioners from  academia, industry,  network operators,  and service
providers  to discuss  and  address the  challenges  deriving from  such
emerging scenario where  systems, processes, and workflows  used in both
computing  and  communications  domains  are  converging.  The  workshop
welcomes contributions from both computing and network-oriented research
communities,    with    the     aim    of    facilitating    discussion,
cross-fertilization   and  exchange   of   ideas   and  practices,   and
successfully promote innovative solutions toward a real programmatic use
of  software-defined  infrastructures  as a  whole.  Contributions  that
discuss lessons learnt and best practices, describe practical deployment
and implementation experiences, and demonstrate innovative use-cases are
especially encouraged for presentation and publication.

We are particularly interested in papers that cover, but are not limited
to, the following topics:

●  single domain and cross domain orchestration issues
●  integrated network and computing resource control and management
●  control and abstraction of heterogeneous networks
●  orchestration in SDN/NFV
●  run-time orchestration
●  orchestration for next-generation IP and optical networks
●  orchestration in 5G networks
●  QoS/QoE in software-defined infrastructures
●  orchestration for high-availability and resilience in
  software-defined infrastructures
●  intent-based orchestration
●  orchestration for fog computing and networking
●  dynamic service composition and delivery
●  network programmability for service chaining
●  orchestration of network slices and data center slices 
●  software engineering and operating systems techniques applied
  to orchestration
●  description, specification, and abstraction languages for
  orchestration
●  optimal orchestration algorithms
●  context-aware orchestration
●  functional architectures of orchestrating elements
●  testbed experiments on orchestrations
●  performance evaluation of orchestration elements
●  standardization issues in orchestration 
●  best practices in orchestration

Important Dates

- Workshop Paper Submission: July 9, 2017 
- Notification of Acceptance: August 28, 2017
- Camera-ready Submission: September 15, 2017

Paper submissions will be handled on-line through the EDAS system.

Prospective  authors  are  invited   to  submit  high-quality,  original
technical papers for presentation at the workshop and publication in the
O4SDI Proceedings  and IEEE Xplore.  Papers must be written  in English,
unpublished and not  submitted elsewhere. Full papers  must be formatted
as  the  standard  IEEE  double-column conference  template.  All  final
submissions should have a maximum paper  length of six (6) printed pages
(10-point font),  including figures,  without incurring  additional page
charges.


Workshop Co-Chairs 

- Stuart Clayman, University College London, UK - s.clayman@ucl.ac.uk  
- Walter Cerroni, University of Bologna, Italy - walter.cerroni@unibo.it  
- Barbara Martini, CNIT, Pisa, Italy - barbara.martini@cnit.it  
- Federica Paganelli, CNIT, Firenze, Italy - federica.paganelli@cnit.it

--------------B4408EC278450428F6B27D06-- From nobody Wed Jun 14 07:42:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8839512E85B for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2017 07:42:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vw_DjwME7XGK for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2017 07:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-x236.google.com (mail-oi0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29207127B31 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2017 07:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi0-x236.google.com with SMTP id e11so1718462oia.2 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2017 07:42:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=gxDTKPWKlwrvI8mLrvuQ6EvkTmY1Fmi7yKlpY3v/6Cs=; b=keAnmJx9sSI/de+h7Ad/vgfNq1sHjcrXnHmSXC8fhiIdRoNx6+zdX5vId7jFzaoyMU zbzEG8ZLsoNYThZg/JOxMZ2CW62/YD4nFUEswtASPO8uRmtkGpqZH6ZyHaH1Datz+FeX uo/0HU5a24baGVuPxiwuWURNTdvhRHAonyDdfl8jNRZ73d1LTwkBB1TDY8J3PZpCSuo1 omFWJRccDgIQsxa2eBbrJV/n83VHUELvHG5kRoefAcxEJM3qoo+Z6M3EU1NFcMfLv/M8 ndyyyTidF7C1cy0wQH9IRL1kZ9Ypc2kKZbv/OmoVrXUhu/1w5rY7cu3Ifjnrk8/9PfA1 YE6A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=gxDTKPWKlwrvI8mLrvuQ6EvkTmY1Fmi7yKlpY3v/6Cs=; b=Nc0qPflWMkvqB0leeFZ1J991+fhHIX6CisFpT7uxbOGcs9Yw+pzFFjxA+nff/dwGQq /h3Ott3dX0yN8vIXa8X4Q4JjM246WagbzA5ircb2kdajGO+/OXV8XMAZ4ge/LI5kG41e dBnlCkJZs5PQ+sqFKj4G9Im2o9W/LBJbNxCWEPznBG1jDAss6Z8H0ZLVoFRvzP3ZY/Pm onQ/raxwjkN3mlTnMafnx44GmiNpZ5f3TWbbWh8suW34a67fQO70UJvyt8t97c1SQpYK ux3lZLauumK6TUi1Dosq+XhT4yyrWhfZXL6ghOrFfkgkIkAie/0X0K8k7Ptq4GuWUaUH kmnA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOyO/yf7kgdTLevdQ8PYVNN5lmbyhV+wYwgaTmGjXFS04b9qgUnb JiJirz28DaJHQm1p86CwMuanjO1voA== X-Received: by 10.202.244.86 with SMTP id s83mr348866oih.59.1497451349340; Wed, 14 Jun 2017 07:42:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.52.225 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Jun 2017 07:42:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <149745115886.14003.15837161845524693201.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <149745115886.14003.15837161845524693201.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Greg Mirsky Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 07:42:28 -0700 Message-ID: To: sfc@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11c17ca4bf07f00551ec8f59" Archived-At: Subject: [sfc] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-wang-sfc-multi-layer-oam-09.txt X-BeenThere: sfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Service Chaining List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 14:42:32 -0000 --001a11c17ca4bf07f00551ec8f59 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear All, we've updated our document. It now includes SFC Source TLV and request to allocate UDP port number for SFC Echo Reply. Appreciate your reviews, comments and suggestions. Regards, Greg ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 7:39 AM Subject: New Version Notification for draft-wang-sfc-multi-layer-oam-09.txt To: Bhumip Khasnabish , Gregory Mirsky < gregimirsky@gmail.com>, Wei Meng , "Cui(Linda) Wang" < lindawangjoy@gmail.com> A new version of I-D, draft-wang-sfc-multi-layer-oam-09.txt has been successfully submitted by Greg Mirsky and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-wang-sfc-multi-layer-oam Revision: 09 Title: Multi-Layer OAM for Service Function Chains in Networks Document date: 2017-06-14 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 10 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-wang-sfc-multi- layer-oam-09.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wang-sfc-multi- layer-oam/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wang-sfc-multi-layer- oam-09 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wang-sfc-multi- layer-oam-09 Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-wang-sfc-multi- layer-oam-09 Abstract: A multi-layer approach to the task of Operation, Administration and Maintenance (OAM) of Service Function Chains (SFCs) in networks is presented. Based on the SFC OAM requirements, a multi-layer model is introduced. A mechanism to detect and localize defects using the multi-layer model is also described. 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we've updated our document. It now inclu= des SFC Source TLV and request to allocate UDP port number for SFC Echo Rep= ly.=C2=A0
Appreciate your reviews, comments and suggestions.

Regards,
Greg

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A new version of I-D, draft-wang-sfc-multi-layer-oam-09.txt
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--001a11c17ca4bf07f00551ec8f59-- From nobody Wed Jun 14 07:53:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD5F127B52 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2017 07:53:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eNWgZCzFmWvM for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2017 07:53:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-x22b.google.com (mail-oi0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A71D127B31 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2017 07:53:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id e11so1926377oia.2 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2017 07:53:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=xM+GWuy07fbHgZ5FEwzWEpyZkPuksSOga9ztrVInXUY=; b=FpaKydIseIxaNrhbnfVI6WKjQsIZAt3atkI3Je4tf3mMC8HKZ+3D0S7rIhyXVQ/ZDf 7quaURmFqi5K7QOMOZ5DpPdDckOps+i16uWPWIJKLWVxEv+pMPvOt9stXset5KC1Wr47 Qr9n2Zd2LCH3mDmxpDfoVmbh7pCVW3+X4lPyfQnx1YuU3YQr9yqd6JunDxbEuOTHSzrH DW8bOkK04p3LScW9iRdWS8Lk5I0R61dCHE1MG6Q2dnZF56Qq2mYQYvKMELgH89OmtZ+v MAmq1bB5xBSEt+W10C7YHMzS8HAAwVeV+euso22OVm6l7ZZgw5KzE1kzrmQWKE3AgsUY L+Pw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=xM+GWuy07fbHgZ5FEwzWEpyZkPuksSOga9ztrVInXUY=; b=pPCU2jk2dVNaLp8CNzRg7gMKd3MU556HQwH35R8UQd5DQzcIHKnNAqVV0POzdv2lkR g6BmG4dhp7Bqc3mnW0NZ+Vo4FNxrd7oK1P/C5xXNObSVuBKbUjU+NVq6WEEfBqktS7bf fALKmvrEVgr/B9QOjsb4o8vrAXjMWdxzMRNaoEdzcF8Wij/ZZfr35BXvDX40p1zCaWox SKFYPbiQZek5bEuIJ/hA1wR+v4aScndcBzYkzOgVVgcevSjpsusLjAQIzNMj928HtRe5 gMDfZZhbzHFUon73gnnu6poGRLvnzGJp8kGiv+tKq4Q/6k+7sKbCBU2OQc4xHMipMHv2 MOJA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOx66JHEjQzzuE38bv4mDLVF0XH6PScUXx86oaIrzkbqXBL8K70Q ZIrBOrkVoe9LsG+ZR5IS10zyAVHNl8iy X-Received: by 10.202.87.87 with SMTP id l84mr392602oib.214.1497452028558; Wed, 14 Jun 2017 07:53:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.52.225 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Jun 2017 07:53:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Mirsky Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 07:53:48 -0700 Message-ID: To: sfc@ietf.org Cc: "Fioccola Giuseppe (giuseppe.fioccola@telecomitalia.it)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113d2ecc3b22970551ecb891" Archived-At: Subject: [sfc] Use of Alternate Marking Method in SFC X-BeenThere: sfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Service Chaining List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 14:53:51 -0000 --001a113d2ecc3b22970551ecb891 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear All, would like to bring your attention to the draft Performance Measurement (PM) with Alternate Marking Method in Service Function Chaining (SFC) Domain we've submitted earlier. Alternate Marking method allows performance measurement performed close to passive measurement methods. Greatly appreciate your questions, comments, and suggestions. Regards, Greg --001a113d2ecc3b22970551ecb891 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear All,
would like to bring your attention to the draft=C2=A0= =C2=A0Performance Measurement (= PM) with Alternate Marking Method in Service=C2=A0

Function Chaining (SFC) Domain=C2=A0

we've submi= tted earlier. Alternate Marking method allows performance measurement perfo= rmed close to passive measurement methods.
Greatly appreciate you= r questions, comments, and suggestions.

Regards,
Greg


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Hi Greg, Giuseppe,

I believe= this work is valuable to the working group.

- My = main comment is that it is not currently clear which bits in the base heade= r should be used as the marking bits. Section 3 should be clarified in this= context.
- The draft currently proposes either to use two markin= g bits, or a single marking bit. For single marking the draft also presents= two options. That is a total of three options. I assume these options are = presented for clarity, but it would be great if in a later version of the m= emo this could be narrowed down from 3 options to a single option. As alway= s - the less options the better.
- Section 5: please clarify whet= her the request is to allocate a value of the OAM field, or the request is = to allocate bits from the reserved bit pool in the NSH base header.

Cheers,
Tal.
On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Greg Mirsky <= span dir=3D"ltr"><gregimirsky@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
would like to bring your attention t= o the draft=C2=A0=C2=A0Performance Measurement (PM) with Alternate Marking Method in Service=C2= =A0

Functi= on Chaining (SFC) Domain=C2=A0

we've submitted ea= rlier. Alternate Marking method allows performance measurement performed cl= ose to passive measurement methods.
Greatly appreciate your quest= ions, comments, and suggestions.

Regards,
Greg



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Please find my answers in-line tagged GIM>>. Regards, Greg On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 4:01 AM, Tal Mizrahi wrote: > Hi Greg, Giuseppe, > > I believe this work is valuable to the working group. > > - My main comment is that it is not currently clear which bits in the base > header should be used as the marking bits. Section 3 should be clarified in > this context. > GIM>> You are absolutely correct. We've started the draft around time of the WG interim meeting and discussions about proposed changes to NSH Base. As all these questions been resolved, I agree, it is time to pick location for Marking field in the NSH Base. - The draft currently proposes either to use two marking bits, or a single > marking bit. For single marking the draft also presents two options. That > is a total of three options. I assume these options are presented for > clarity, but it would be great if in a later version of the memo this could > be narrowed down from 3 options to a single option. As always - the less > options the better. > GIM>> Very much agree with your practical suggestion. Will be glad to work together on that. > - Section 5: please clarify whether the request is to allocate a value of > the OAM field, or the request is to allocate bits from the reserved bit > pool in the NSH base header. > GIM>> It is the former, allocation of values of the Marking field (I believe we should other than OAM field name as there's already O(AM) flag in the Base header). Of course, current text assumes allocation of two bits-long field. > > Cheers, > Tal. > > On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Greg Mirsky > wrote: > >> Dear All, >> would like to bring your attention to the draft Performance Measurement >> (PM) with Alternate Marking Method in Service >> Function Chaining >> (SFC) Domain we've >> submitted earlier. Alternate Marking method allows performance measurement >> performed close to passive measurement methods. >> Greatly appreciate your questions, comments, and suggestions. >> >> Regards, >> Greg >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sfc mailing list >> sfc@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sfc >> >> > --001a113ac724848bf80552938c74 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Tal,
thank you for for the review and great, on-tar= get comments.
Please find my answers in-line tagged GIM>>.<= /div>

Regards,
Greg

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 4:01 AM, Tal M= izrahi <tal.mizrahi.phd@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Greg, Giuseppe,
=
I believe this work is valuable to the working group.
<= div>
- My main comment is that it is not currently clear whic= h bits in the base header should be used as the marking bits. Section 3 sho= uld be clarified in this context.
GIM>> = You are absolutely correct. We've started the draft around time of the = WG interim meeting and discussions about proposed changes to NSH Base. As a= ll these questions been resolved, I agree, it is time to pick location for = Marking field in the NSH Base.

- The draft currently proposes either to use t= wo marking bits, or a single marking bit. For single marking the draft also= presents two options. That is a total of three options. I assume these opt= ions are presented for clarity, but it would be great if in a later version= of the memo this could be narrowed down from 3 options to a single option.= As always - the less options the better.
GIM&= gt;> Very much agree with your practical suggestion. Will be glad to wor= k together on that.
=C2=A0
- Section 5: please clarify whether the request is to a= llocate a value of the OAM field, or the request is to allocate bits from t= he reserved bit pool in the NSH base header.
G= IM>> It is the former, allocation of values of the Marking field (I b= elieve we should other than OAM field name as there's already O(AM) fla= g in the Base header). Of course, current text assumes allocation of two bi= ts-long field.
Cheers,
Tal.

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 5:53 PM, G= reg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All= ,
would like to bring your attention to the draft=C2=A0= =C2=A0Performance Measurement (PM) wi= th Alternate Marking Method in Service=C2=A0

Function Chaining (S= FC) Domain=C2=A0

we've submitted earlier. Alterna= te Marking method allows performance measurement performed close to passive= measurement methods.
Greatly appreciate your questions, comments= , and suggestions.

Regards,
Greg



_____________________________________= __________
sfc mailing list
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--001a113ac724848bf80552938c74-- From nobody Fri Jun 23 17:14:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sfc@ietf.org Delivered-To: sfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4C0912EB4F; Fri, 23 Jun 2017 17:07:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: sfc@ietf.org, akatlas@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149826283380.7840.11391386751924314909.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 17:07:13 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [sfc] sfc - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 99 X-BeenThere: sfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Network Service Chaining List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 00:07:15 -0000 Dear Joel Halpern, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. sfc Session 1 (1:30:00) Monday, Afternoon Session II 1550-1720 Room Name: Congress Hall II size: 350 --------------------------------------------- Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Service Function Chaining Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Joel Halpern Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 150 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: spring rtgwg nvo3 mpls lisp idr i2rs bess supa quic People who must be present: Joel M. Halpern Jim Guichard Alia Atlas Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Mon Jun 26 11:01:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25AB612EAD5 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 11:01:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.702 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.702 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=joelhalpern.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oiG5sT30TC6b for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 11:01:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailb2.tigertech.net (mailb2.tigertech.net [208.80.4.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3F8B129AD5 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 11:01:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailb2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9CF21C078C for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 11:01:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=joelhalpern.com; s=1.tigertech; t=1498500090; bh=eoi7sE2otAG/99+CO6dOTUMAjv5cZ13mxR81XhxSuWI=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:From; b=nEeqmMOLp6a0NXAiwWtK/gJIofxUYmGL+8qYLePCI6o5kbvspbylMCuXo3QW92THF X3Hw0LqUYw6inQy2yBuThYjjoNxTpqncf68rnGcEFP9zm/NgFNPX8cTUXY+AWFy16x bzP86AoOyb3Id4aFP4yHQq0pQMVX0JXTRqgr+ZJQ= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at b2.tigertech.net Received: from Joels-MacBook-Pro.local (unknown [50.225.209.67]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailb2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7CB8F1C001D for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2017 11:01:30 -0700 (PDT) To: "sfc@ietf.org" From: "Joel M. Halpern" Message-ID: <342b99e4-12e4-9fe8-3e98-a634dae89422@joelhalpern.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 14:01:28 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [sfc] Meeting at IETF 99 in Prague X-BeenThere: sfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Service Chaining List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 18:01:32 -0000 We are meeting from 15:50 to 17:20 Monday, July 17 in Congress Hall II. Please send us requests for agenda time. We expect to have the NSH document completed and given to our Area Director by then. In addition to regular items, Jim and I would like to reserve about 20 - 30 minutes for a discussion by the working group of what items people see needing work going forward. this can be items that fall within the current charter, but are not sufficiently addressed, or they may be items which would need rechartering. The approach we plan on is for someone with an idea to come to the microphone, and briefly summarize the idea and reasons. No Slides. Then, we will give folks time to ask questions, express opinions, suggest refinements, etc. Then we move on to the next idea. So please think about items you would like discussed in this slot. We will try to make the remote participation work well so that suggestions and refinements can come from those who can not make it to prague as well. We would expect the conversation to continue on the email list. 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This revision attempts to capture all the comments collected thanks to Carlos, Ignacio, Praveen, Joe and Alia. It would be useful to have a confirmation from each of you that I have addressed your concerns (or not). I have cross-posted all the lists potentially affected by this draft (intended proposed standard). If you reply concerning a specific point, pls trim the distribution only to those interested/relevant. * tsvwg: owns updates to ECN * int-area: owns mtce of many tunnelling protocols, particularly GRE?, Teredo? GUE * l2tpext: owns mtce of L2TP * opsawg: owns mtce of CAPWAP * nvo3: currently defining Geneve, VXLAN-GPE * sfc: currently defining NSH From my point of view, this draft is now 'finished'. I.e. I am happy with it, and it is the first draft where all the ToDo's are done. I believe it is on track for the milestone of WGLC before the Nov'17 IETF. As I understand it, WGLC will run in tsvwg and in parallel in int-area, l2tpext and perhaps opsawg. Main changes since -02: * Completely restructured, with definitions of scope before even mentioning "tightly coupled shim headers", and new subsections where existing text on feasibility and desirability has been re-homed. * Explanation of the safety problem, and the procedural problem this caused when previous ECN RFCs were written (an RFC cannot retrospectively set requirements on implementations, so we can only set operational requirements - configuration). * Added NSH, but it doesn't seem to cover encapsulation. * No longer categorized VXLAN-GPE as intended for standards track * Added Teredo update text (for safety). Cheers Bob -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc6040update-shim-03.txt Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 04:13:58 -0700 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Bob Briscoe A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc6040update-shim-03.txt has been successfully submitted by Bob Briscoe and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc6040update-shim Revision: 03 Title: Propagating Explicit Congestion Notification Across IP Tunnel Headers Separated by a Shim Document date: 2017-06-27 Group: tsvwg Pages: 16 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc6040update-shim-03.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc6040update-shim/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc6040update-shim-03 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc6040update-shim-03 Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc6040update-shim-03 Abstract: RFC 6040 on "Tunnelling of Explicit Congestion Notification" made the rules for propagation of ECN consistent for all forms of IP in IP tunnel. This specification updates RFC 6040 to clarify that its scope includes tunnels where two IP headers are separated by at least one shim header that is not sufficient on its own for wide area packet forwarding. It surveys widely deployed IP tunnelling protocols separated by such shim header(s) and updates the specifications of those that do not mention ECN propagation (L2TPv2, L2TPv3, GRE and Teredo). This specification also updates RFC 6040 with configuration requirements needed to make any legacy tunnel ingress safe. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat --------------6A1261D435D710497D63773F Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David (as doc shepherd),

This is the 3rd revision in the last 2 months. This revision attempts to capture all the comments collected thanks to Carlos, Ignacio, Praveen, Joe and Alia. It would be useful to have a confirmation from each of you that I have addressed your concerns (or not).

I have cross-posted all the lists potentially affected by this draft (intended proposed standard).
If you reply concerning a specific point, pls trim the distribution only to those interested/relevant.

* tsvwg: owns updates to ECN
* int-area: owns mtce of many tunnelling protocols, particularly GRE?, Teredo? GUE
* l2tpext: owns mtce of L2TP
* opsawg: owns mtce of CAPWAP
* nvo3: currently defining Geneve, VXLAN-GPE
* sfc: currently defining NSH

From my point of view, this draft is now 'finished'. I.e. I am happy with it, and it is the first draft where all the ToDo's are done. I believe it is on track for the milestone of WGLC before the Nov'17 IETF. As I understand it, WGLC will run in tsvwg and in parallel in int-area, l2tpext and perhaps opsawg.

Main changes since -02:
* Completely restructured, with definitions of scope before even mentioning "tightly coupled shim headers", and new subsections where existing text on feasibility and desirability has been re-homed.
* Explanation of the safety problem, and the procedural problem this caused when previous ECN RFCs were written (an RFC cannot retrospectively set requirements on implementations, so we can only set operational requirements - configuration).
* Added NSH, but it doesn't seem to cover encapsulation.
* No longer categorized VXLAN-GPE as intended for standards track
* Added Teredo update text (for safety).

Cheers


Bob

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Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc6040update-shim-03.txt
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 04:13:58 -0700
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To: Bob Briscoe <ietf@bobbriscoe.net> 


A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc6040update-shim-03.txt
has been successfully submitted by Bob Briscoe and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name:		draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc6040update-shim
Revision:	03
Title:		Propagating Explicit Congestion Notification Across IP Tunnel Headers Separated by a Shim
Document date:	2017-06-27
Group:		tsvwg
Pages:		16
URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc6040update-shim-03.txt
Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc6040update-shim/
Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc6040update-shim-03
Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc6040update-shim-03
Diff:           https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-tsvwg-rfc6040update-shim-03

Abstract:
   RFC 6040 on "Tunnelling of Explicit Congestion Notification" made the
   rules for propagation of ECN consistent for all forms of IP in IP
   tunnel.  This specification updates RFC 6040 to clarify that its
   scope includes tunnels where two IP headers are separated by at least
   one shim header that is not sufficient on its own for wide area
   packet forwarding.  It surveys widely deployed IP tunnelling
   protocols separated by such shim header(s) and updates the
   specifications of those that do not mention ECN propagation (L2TPv2,
   L2TPv3, GRE and Teredo).  This specification also updates RFC 6040
   with configuration requirements needed to make any legacy tunnel
   ingress safe.

                                                                                  


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Halpern" Cc: "sfc@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c055b32134322055310ed9e" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sfc] Meeting at IETF 99 in Prague X-BeenThere: sfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Service Chaining List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 03:30:49 -0000 --94eb2c055b32134322055310ed9e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Joel and Jim, we've prepared set of drafts that we've viewed as one block of SFC OAM related work. Understand that agenda may get overloaded, so here our proverbial hat in the ring: - draft-wang-sfc-multilayer-oam - presenter Greg Mirsky - draft-ao-sfc-oam-return-path-specified - presenter Ting Ao - draft-ao-sfc-oam-path-consistency - presenter Ting Ao - draft-mirsky-sfc-pmamm - presenter Greg Mirsky Would greatly appreciate opportunity to present them all in the single block. Regards, Greg On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Joel M. Halpern wrote: > We are meeting from 15:50 to 17:20 Monday, July 17 in Congress Hall II. > > Please send us requests for agenda time. > We expect to have the NSH document completed and given to our Area > Director by then. > > In addition to regular items, Jim and I would like to reserve about 20 - > 30 minutes for a discussion by the working group of what items people see > needing work going forward. this can be items that fall within the current > charter, but are not sufficiently addressed, or they may be items which > would need rechartering. > The approach we plan on is for someone with an idea to come to the > microphone, and briefly summarize the idea and reasons. No Slides. Then, > we will give folks time to ask questions, express opinions, suggest > refinements, etc. > Then we move on to the next idea. > So please think about items you would like discussed in this slot. > We will try to make the remote participation work well so that suggestions > and refinements can come from those who can not make it to prague as well. > > We would expect the conversation to continue on the email list. > > Thank you, > Joel and Jim > > _______________________________________________ > sfc mailing list > sfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sfc > --94eb2c055b32134322055310ed9e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Joel and Jim,
we've prepared set of drafts that= we've viewed as one block of SFC OAM related work. Understand that age= nda may get overloaded, so here our proverbial hat in the ring:
<= ul>
  • draft-wang-sfc-multilayer-oam - presenter Greg Mirsky
  • draft-= ao-sfc-oam-return-path-specified - presenter Ting Ao
  • draft-ao-= sfc-oam-path-consistency - presenter Ting Ao
  • draft-mirsky-sfc-= pmamm - presenter Greg Mirsky
    • Would greatly appreciate opport= unity to present them all in the single block.

    Regards,
    Greg

    On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Joel M. Halpern <jmh@= joelhalpern.com> wrote:
    We = are meeting from 15:50 to 17:20 Monday, July 17 in Congress Hall II.

    Please send us requests for agenda time.
    We expect to have the NSH document completed and given to our Area Director= by then.

    In addition to regular items, Jim and I would like to reserve about 20 - 30= minutes for a discussion by the working group of what items people see nee= ding work going forward.=C2=A0 this can be items that fall within the curre= nt charter, but are not sufficiently addressed, or they may be items which = would need rechartering.
    The approach we plan on is for someone with an idea to come to the micropho= ne, and briefly summarize the idea and reasons.=C2=A0 No Slides. Then, we w= ill give folks time to ask questions, express opinions, suggest refinements= , etc.
    Then we move on to the next idea.
    So please think about items you would like discussed in this slot.
    We will try to make the remote participation work well so that suggestions = and refinements can come from those who can not make it to prague as well.<= br>
    We would expect the conversation to continue on the email list.

    Thank you,
    Joel and Jim

    _______________________________________________
    sfc mailing list
    sfc@ietf.org
    https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sfc

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It's been a while since the idea was first floated and it has been somewhat gated behind the main NSH work. It is probably also worth having this discussion before we go much further with the OAM work. Cheers, Adrian > -----Original Message----- > From: sfc [mailto:sfc-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Joel M. Halpern > Sent: 26 June 2017 19:01 > To: sfc@ietf.org > Subject: [sfc] Meeting at IETF 99 in Prague > > We are meeting from 15:50 to 17:20 Monday, July 17 in Congress Hall II. > > Please send us requests for agenda time. > We expect to have the NSH document completed and given to our Area > Director by then. > > In addition to regular items, Jim and I would like to reserve about 20 - > 30 minutes for a discussion by the working group of what items people > see needing work going forward. this can be items that fall within the > current charter, but are not sufficiently addressed, or they may be > items which would need rechartering. > The approach we plan on is for someone with an idea to come to the > microphone, and briefly summarize the idea and reasons. No Slides. > Then, we will give folks time to ask questions, express opinions, > suggest refinements, etc. > Then we move on to the next idea. > So please think about items you would like discussed in this slot. > We will try to make the remote participation work well so that > suggestions and refinements can come from those who can not make it to > prague as well. > > We would expect the conversation to continue on the email list. > > Thank you, > Joel and Jim > > _______________________________________________ > sfc mailing list > sfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sfc From nobody Thu Jun 29 15:44:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11055129B67 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 15:44:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.619 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.619 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Oe5L09NGByAu for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 15:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (asmtp1.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.248]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5D1B12EAF2 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 15:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v5TMiJqa030016 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 23:44:19 +0100 Received: from 950129200 (230.150.51.84.dyn.plus.net [84.51.150.230] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v5TMiHqJ029994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 23:44:19 +0100 Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 23:44:11 +0100 Message-ID: <154401d2f129$3b3c81e0$b1b585a0$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdLxKLZbJjvCW0nEQOmwgDrBpqNxoA== Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.1.0.1062-23166.003 X-TM-AS-Result: No--12.311-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--12.311-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: zoHmU+rjGAAt1qlcp9XGAWgws6g0ewz2kKAa/khZ3iS638ZUY6gSd6im ZVANCPsbIiYJjfxogfIKzukrjRISEAArMRK4GLErsyNb+yeIRAqMjqpeR/YVDRi9RS/27dWNLOx C6suyQ8Zmg/B0WkZ5pixg0g+cIMCKRqbusTlqmWvx5KZMlKYS/VHewY36PuY0JI+58l8cFjPXnZ riPbsnGGCl1OcerxBjI/VAi0x8r7hyXgR0ecAdfcWUKBjERoYTf6/Md8Lb2l+dI/DikZ1UPPRNw gGHeMcm+O2zXfQAXPrv7jpKagIsbmRSvqsN4R146ivQ8oO6nUIZYA38gj3BxCcVycCgCnmvYrfK yR8RtoujOoZCVKPslQYyTjFQl/YKjhrauEcC25m8coKUcaOOvSGZtiDVlw6eZNidnn9zXd/06z+ XvHnOwbAW90NBxFF8BZ8G2UWkr6kM8jMXjBF+sDl/1fD/GopdyJ1gFgOMhOn6APa9i04WGCq2rl 3dzGQ1zAYCMArxFLAhww1bKCg4Q42GrJ7bh6zYDH25B2k8vQXxWmhSkKPbCPuXECJnGnpF Archived-At: Subject: [sfc] Next Protocol = "None" X-BeenThere: sfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Service Chaining List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 22:44:25 -0000 All, I refreshed this draft with a little polish. Recall, it describes how, by setting the NSH "next protocol" field to "None" it is possible to send an NSH packet without user data but with metadata. Also recall that this document contains a description of how to handle an NSH packet with an unknown/unsupported "next protocol" field value. We previously discussed whether to move some or all of this material to the NSH document. The feeling that I recorded was that the description of handling unknown next protocols needs to be in the NSH spec, but that it might be wise to leave the meaning and use of "none" to a separate document to avoid delaying the NSH spec. I would note that the lack of rapid advancement of the NSH spec might suggest that we should roll all of this in together. Along the way, I found I needed to write text about the security implications of metadata and the way that metadata should be secured. In theory, this should all be covered in the NSH spec, but it isn't. Cheers, Adrian > -----Original Message----- > From: I-D-Announce [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: 29 June 2017 23:28 > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Subject: I-D Action: draft-farrel-sfc-convent-02.txt > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > > > Title : Operating the Network Service Header (NSH) with Next Protocol > "None" > Authors : Adrian Farrel > John Drake > Filename : draft-farrel-sfc-convent-02.txt > Pages : 10 > Date : 2017-06-29 > > Abstract: > This document describes the use of the Network Service Header (NSH) > in a Service Function Chaining (SFC) enabled network with no payload > data and carrying only metadata. This is achieved by defining a new > NSH "Next Protocol" type value of "None". > > This document illustrates some of the functions that may be achieved > or enhanced by this mechanism, but it does not provide an exhaustive > list of use cases, nor is it intended to be definitive about the > functions it describes. It is expected that other documents will > describe specific use cases in more detail and will define the > protocol mechanics for each use case. > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farrel-sfc-convent/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-farrel-sfc-convent-02 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-farrel-sfc-convent-02 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-farrel-sfc-convent-02 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From nobody Thu Jun 29 15:47:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33D27129B67 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 15:47:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=joelhalpern.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cens1RCjOfCI for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 15:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maila2.tigertech.net (maila2.tigertech.net [208.80.4.152]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C41F5126CC4 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 15:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by maila2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0412412D5; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 15:47:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=joelhalpern.com; s=1.tigertech; t=1498776457; bh=/QNbSSSsXjgoY+/wFPLqUNJdKB7E7D4RqYLkRPDKcK8=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=L8wCVf0XU85Oc3kr8Dv9qC0Q5BX7A+TmSnqzvitMQ2YjOPpKHzAR0A5JbD54IRUul wEozEErjRKyf7F2wvsbqNDoUQv+IF9qg4MLo569ZKo7xID+kmFaHnSN1HybBPqkyEw 15FosgXnu5/FsNY7t0vxGON76N6ZHAo2yQVcEkZI= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at maila2.tigertech.net Received: from Joels-MacBook-Pro.local (unknown [50.225.209.67]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by maila2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1E32C24004F; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 15:47:37 -0700 (PDT) To: adrian@olddog.co.uk, sfc@ietf.org References: <342b99e4-12e4-9fe8-3e98-a634dae89422@joelhalpern.com> <154301d2f129$3ae958d0$b0bc0a70$@olddog.co.uk> From: "Joel M. Halpern" Message-ID: <4ee69623-7439-ef51-e0ab-2ba0b9a7337e@joelhalpern.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 18:47:36 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <154301d2f129$3ae958d0$b0bc0a70$@olddog.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sfc] Meeting at IETF 99 in Prague X-BeenThere: sfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Service Chaining List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 22:47:39 -0000 Sounds reasonable to me. We will plan a slot for you. Yours, Joel On 6/29/17 6:44 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Hi Joel, > > I think it might be a good time for me to talk about draft-farrel-sfc-convent. > It's been a while since the idea was first floated and it has been somewhat > gated behind the main NSH work. > It is probably also worth having this discussion before we go much further with > the OAM work. > > Cheers, > Adrian > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sfc [mailto:sfc-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Joel M. Halpern >> Sent: 26 June 2017 19:01 >> To: sfc@ietf.org >> Subject: [sfc] Meeting at IETF 99 in Prague >> >> We are meeting from 15:50 to 17:20 Monday, July 17 in Congress Hall II. >> >> Please send us requests for agenda time. >> We expect to have the NSH document completed and given to our Area >> Director by then. >> >> In addition to regular items, Jim and I would like to reserve about 20 - >> 30 minutes for a discussion by the working group of what items people >> see needing work going forward. this can be items that fall within the >> current charter, but are not sufficiently addressed, or they may be >> items which would need rechartering. >> The approach we plan on is for someone with an idea to come to the >> microphone, and briefly summarize the idea and reasons. No Slides. >> Then, we will give folks time to ask questions, express opinions, >> suggest refinements, etc. >> Then we move on to the next idea. >> So please think about items you would like discussed in this slot. >> We will try to make the remote participation work well so that >> suggestions and refinements can come from those who can not make it to >> prague as well. >> >> We would expect the conversation to continue on the email list. >> >> Thank you, >> Joel and Jim >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sfc mailing list >> sfc@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sfc > From nobody Thu Jun 29 15:55:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6561712EB21 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 15:55:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uYgsXRLUQybm for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 15:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp5.iomartmail.com (asmtp5.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7CF5512EB11 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 15:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp5.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp5.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v5TMtHI1012947; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 23:55:17 +0100 Received: from 950129200 (230.150.51.84.dyn.plus.net [84.51.150.230] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp5.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v5TMtGN8012933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 29 Jun 2017 23:55:17 +0100 Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Joel M. Halpern'" , Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 23:55:10 +0100 Message-ID: <154501d2f12a$c3516ea0$49f44be0$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdLxKr9Op/d/PNDdRrqmXsjzABdYqQ== Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.1.0.1062-23166.003 X-TM-AS-Result: No--13.751-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--13.751-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: IwImlcevLBw9d1nHWxkekPHkpkyUphL9C8vKN21fck0M74Nf6tTB9hEK 4a4vj6713lR/flD8ufzBNOJE4Eswvp+/3E8wlr+DAgpXYofZRKpKFU+QqbaW+lpbYq2f4jz+NDj 7MfBfl/5W9XzJh5sSGSOT+Q8jwM/HeCuY7dxhHhq7vYqkCS0dL9tb21l1J0jcax+0dEYaKwzrsK EHnvlV0YxBHtq8vnuB6AMdEuX60hjydsf58Nz0B5RrnSy7UTtbnophrTcsI7abKItl61J/ycnjL TA/UDoAxpQ77C1A1tqOhzOa6g8KrVQNfhbb4gCIDCUcj+OrO96NB+R7s7sLV+CTOikyZgtJ/Shn 2K8IrDY= Archived-At: Subject: [sfc] Status of draft-ietf-sfc-nsh [Was: Meeting at IETF 99 in Prague] X-BeenThere: sfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Service Chaining List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 22:55:21 -0000 Hi Joel, You said... > We are meeting from 15:50 to 17:20 Monday, July 17 in Congress Hall II. > > Please send us requests for agenda time. > We expect to have the NSH document completed and given to our Area > Director by then. I'm both glad and worried to hear this. Glad because, as you know, I have become frustrated with the lack of progress. There has been some good discussion of TTL, but was that really the only open issue? What about all of the other comments since the last version? And were all of the previous comments actually addressed? To be honest, I lost track, but know that I made a lot of comments on the -12 revision and that Med pointed out something that had been missed in -12 from a previous comment. If I recall rightly, the WG last call was issued in September last year on the -09 version. I presume there will be a -13 revision to go to the AD. So four revisions and 9 months later do you plan to have another WG last call, or are you declaring consensus on the -13 document? Thanks, Adrian From nobody Thu Jun 29 16:01:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF3712EB0D for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 16:01:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.702 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.702 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=joelhalpern.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cRUtmVEoTEgb for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 16:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maila2.tigertech.net (maila2.tigertech.net [208.80.4.152]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F02B9129B62 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 16:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by maila2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF6B245B41; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 16:01:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=joelhalpern.com; s=1.tigertech; t=1498777307; bh=99D3JQzNNuYOh4uD/Ud5V9IKH1lgiBSLZjnntNbBXGM=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=TUoKWzIX1nM2lyRJ4aQl20XpnkMmpf9p5JPowxy2M/68+FkM6Mo+xc+PC8UE0Mqai aJeQA1tqqA7BNMXZw0yOSc9yBeb46J4SJd0wpb024kuA0qh+iwSUcbK5E0IlIyGBRL +wvywyc2QwQhEMpo9aqlE8eCkBhZj49yAiReS2oE= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at maila2.tigertech.net Received: from Joels-MacBook-Pro.local (unknown [50.225.209.67]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by maila2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6D3F324004F; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 16:01:47 -0700 (PDT) To: adrian@olddog.co.uk, sfc@ietf.org References: <154501d2f12a$c3516ea0$49f44be0$@olddog.co.uk> From: "Joel M. Halpern" Message-ID: <3bded8cb-af40-d7ae-96d5-64135b51aceb@joelhalpern.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 19:01:46 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <154501d2f12a$c3516ea0$49f44be0$@olddog.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sfc] Status of draft-ietf-sfc-nsh [Was: Meeting at IETF 99 in Prague] X-BeenThere: sfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Service Chaining List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 23:01:49 -0000 We went through all the comments with the authors, and checked again after they had made their revisions. All the comments that were received were addressed, according to our best judgment on the WG rough consensus. There will be some time for the WG to look again to make sure we did not miss anything before the meeting, which is why I expect (and hope) to give it to the AD by the meeting. Jim and I have not discussed the exact form of the final review. It will be focused on "can you live with the text as it is", as distinct from "is this perfect" (I know most of the WG knows the difference, but it helps to mention it, as the IETF is VERY good at wordsmithing forever.) Yours, Joel anc Jim On 6/29/17 6:55 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Hi Joel, > > You said... > >> We are meeting from 15:50 to 17:20 Monday, July 17 in Congress Hall II. >> >> Please send us requests for agenda time. >> We expect to have the NSH document completed and given to our Area >> Director by then. > > I'm both glad and worried to hear this. > Glad because, as you know, I have become frustrated with the lack of progress. > There has been some good discussion of TTL, but was that really the only open > issue? > What about all of the other comments since the last version? > And were all of the previous comments actually addressed? > To be honest, I lost track, but know that I made a lot of comments on the -12 > revision and that Med pointed out something that had been missed in -12 from a > previous comment. > > If I recall rightly, the WG last call was issued in September last year on the > -09 version. I presume there will be a -13 revision to go to the AD. So four > revisions and 9 months later do you plan to have another WG last call, or are > you declaring consensus on the -13 document? > > Thanks, > Adrian > From nobody Thu Jun 29 16:21:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352C512EB01 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 16:21:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7kO-zBvC8C3s for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 16:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-x22b.google.com (mail-qt0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ADD5912EAF2 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 16:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id i2so86934219qta.3 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 16:21:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=PXQgKt527SshjJhAG7fxFJrab1uUR3H6CYnd5zSKARc=; b=BPwMoO4PIJY2UeUdLmcrgepWUaEPUGSMKSxsjDmd3B9V6k05uGFliNKju16To11LMZ OXBK/r8+VUcMiCVKVWhvIcam9e26w1zVVceUvGMpRW+/1uIoWttWUPOkQQcfflc8IhL0 Tt4V1OF6VW83F3+/yzYLW5NW0Sm6Eap+LY4NGH9FVWLZm1ok80foCDT18z32kuxv4DM4 TbnURJ8v66FTmcqUTG3zDldCdusRN0679WGS87mqTxKEoSxlxcwRqfrQDe+Kezxea2IT TBGi+qg0D7lIL7ESeCF90h1Bn1+5nQpjp98auhuPOrcWHnBCKYiW3Pd7xXiiUzq48pWh fiXQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=PXQgKt527SshjJhAG7fxFJrab1uUR3H6CYnd5zSKARc=; b=DPlp0dtZXOFtYumrDPJNKBwveJZOuRIUtMrh8Fd4/sQ+tbywZb4dVloOeTm1mupd36 6jpV4a0Q3XJtwPgVxTN36k0XQWp5YbTxRvhEwDbO9JklEa02xP9sPJr1PmkDE28JqT/R bHNkWl8NI/nhqdTSpPNxEP+qxstgJlfCBzJ3NiUaj2ffxDF89jxEXaaC/xPRXKpMWyXM lisCsn46Nx/dNjNmL0Drx0IGLN+gRbr8V/LBU28l1bOM6ToKMc+42Gyq4hQHsc1DLYmS AmDf1x5IQzf9warBhL63UFXXGUeSZ50F5brfqScRXHiwyZvxRjMYijBz0KwxvxPh6Bzo vVdA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOwsK2hYzS08Wbj8t15lRoS2K7yU4O5eGKgXYrtqpYs0UHNGTRa6 vn1PSgE3ja+e8vL1BLpAiCV5CoNQrQ== X-Received: by 10.200.50.145 with SMTP id z17mr21857780qta.114.1498778467673; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 16:21:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.22.168 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 16:21:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3bded8cb-af40-d7ae-96d5-64135b51aceb@joelhalpern.com> References: <154501d2f12a$c3516ea0$49f44be0$@olddog.co.uk> <3bded8cb-af40-d7ae-96d5-64135b51aceb@joelhalpern.com> From: Greg Mirsky Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 16:21:07 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Joel M. Halpern" Cc: Adrian Farrel , sfc@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113c772029abb50553218e01" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sfc] Status of draft-ietf-sfc-nsh [Was: Meeting at IETF 99 in Prague] X-BeenThere: sfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Service Chaining List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 23:21:11 -0000 --001a113c772029abb50553218e01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Joel, is the -12 the latest published version of the NSH draft? As I see, it is missing TTL and all related changes: 3.2. NSH Base Header 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |Ver|O|C|R|R|R|R|R|R| Length | MD Type | Next Protocol | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ But the WG state Waiting for WG Chair Go-Ahead Doc Shepherd Follow-up Underway I'm confused. Regards, Greg On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Joel M. Halpern wrote: > We went through all the comments with the authors, and checked again after > they had made their revisions. All the comments that were received were > addressed, according to our best judgment on the WG rough consensus. > > There will be some time for the WG to look again to make sure we did not > miss anything before the meeting, which is why I expect (and hope) to give > it to the AD by the meeting. > Jim and I have not discussed the exact form of the final review. It will > be focused on "can you live with the text as it is", as distinct from "is > this perfect" (I know most of the WG knows the difference, but it helps to > mention it, as the IETF is VERY good at wordsmithing forever.) > > Yours, > Joel anc Jim > > > On 6/29/17 6:55 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote: > >> Hi Joel, >> >> You said... >> >> We are meeting from 15:50 to 17:20 Monday, July 17 in Congress Hall II. >>> >>> Please send us requests for agenda time. >>> We expect to have the NSH document completed and given to our Area >>> Director by then. >>> >> >> I'm both glad and worried to hear this. >> Glad because, as you know, I have become frustrated with the lack of >> progress. >> There has been some good discussion of TTL, but was that really the only >> open >> issue? >> What about all of the other comments since the last version? >> And were all of the previous comments actually addressed? >> To be honest, I lost track, but know that I made a lot of comments on the >> -12 >> revision and that Med pointed out something that had been missed in -12 >> from a >> previous comment. >> >> If I recall rightly, the WG last call was issued in September last year >> on the >> -09 version. I presume there will be a -13 revision to go to the AD. So >> four >> revisions and 9 months later do you plan to have another WG last call, or >> are >> you declaring consensus on the -13 document? >> >> Thanks, >> Adrian >> >> > _______________________________________________ > sfc mailing list > sfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sfc > --001a113c772029abb50553218e01 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hi Joel,
    is the -12 the latest published version of th= e NSH draft? As I see, it is missing TTL and all related changes:
    3.2.  NSH Base Header

      0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
     +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
     |Ver|O|C|R|R|R|R|R|R|   Length  |    MD Type    | Next Protocol |
     +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
    But the=C2=A0


    On Thu, Ju= n 29, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Joel M. Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com> wrote:
    We went through all the comment= s with the authors, and checked again after they had made their revisions.= =C2=A0 All the comments that were received were addressed, according to our= best judgment on the WG rough consensus.

    There will be some time for the WG to look again to make sure we did not mi= ss anything before the meeting, which is why I expect (and hope) to give it= to the AD by the meeting.
    Jim and I have not discussed the exact form of the final review.=C2=A0 It w= ill be focused on "can you live with the text as it is", as disti= nct from "is this perfect" (I know most of the WG knows the diffe= rence, but it helps to mention it, as the IETF is VERY good at wordsmithing= forever.)

    Yours,
    Joel anc Jim


    On 6/29/17 6:55 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote:
    Hi Joel,

    You said...

    We are meeting from 15:50 to 17:20 Monday, July 17 in Congress Hall II.

    Please send us requests for agenda time.
    We expect to have the NSH document completed and given to our Area
    Director by then.

    I'm both glad and worried to hear this.
    Glad because, as you know, I have become frustrated with the lack of progre= ss.
    There has been some good discussion of TTL, but was that really the only op= en
    issue?
    What about all of the other comments since the last version?
    And were all of the previous comments actually addressed?
    To be honest, I lost track, but know that I made a lot of comments on the -= 12
    revision and that Med pointed out something that had been missed in -12 fro= m a
    previous comment.

    If I recall rightly, the WG last call was issued in September last year on = the
    -09 version. I presume there will be a -13 revision to go to the AD. So fou= r
    revisions and 9 months later do you plan to have another WG last call, or a= re
    you declaring consensus on the -13 document?

    Thanks,
    Adrian


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    --001a113c772029abb50553218e01-- From nobody Thu Jun 29 16:22:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 898FB126BF6 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 16:22:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.702 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.702 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=joelhalpern.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jp-Wri4JYePN for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 16:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maila2.tigertech.net (maila2.tigertech.net [208.80.4.152]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2426124234 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 16:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by maila2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8913025F044; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 16:22:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=joelhalpern.com; s=1.tigertech; t=1498778544; bh=ecVeAIl7OQkYuA4iA75i8IGDDu+8RlT4ahI8fU2bNok=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=eZgUJmgncPYhGfKgAWHirsKocRr1P+JlsxJRyXokDNK1p7sRgRomO0DU49HoXghHY K6yqlYA2C5HikJGVtjsQ2MYsH0aUQp0r5EK+kQMugI/RcB3P2WV9Iwi014Q/wqisPd YfT+MvTJdmPl2/6mNr7guHXuuNK7OUdt+1HDQ0jc= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at maila2.tigertech.net Received: from Joels-MacBook-Pro.local (unknown [50.225.209.67]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by maila2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 974D9258B1E; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 16:22:23 -0700 (PDT) To: Greg Mirsky Cc: Adrian Farrel , sfc@ietf.org References: <154501d2f12a$c3516ea0$49f44be0$@olddog.co.uk> <3bded8cb-af40-d7ae-96d5-64135b51aceb@joelhalpern.com> From: Joel Halpern Direct Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 19:22:22 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sfc] Status of draft-ietf-sfc-nsh [Was: Meeting at IETF 99 in Prague] X-BeenThere: sfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Service Chaining List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 23:22:27 -0000 The -13 will be out in a few days with all the changes. That is what we will ask the WG to review. If we already had it out, we would have already asked for the WG to take a last look. Yours, Joel On 6/29/17 7:21 PM, Greg Mirsky wrote: > Hi Joel, > is the -12 the latest published version of the NSH draft? As I see, it > is missing TTL and all related changes: From nobody Fri Jun 30 04:33:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sfc@ietf.org Delivered-To: sfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB13129468; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 04:33:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: sfc@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149882241880.4694.1755169430753503252@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 04:33:38 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [sfc] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-13.txt X-BeenThere: sfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Network Service Chaining List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 11:33:39 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Service Function Chaining of the IETF. Title : Network Service Header Authors : Paul Quinn Uri Elzur Filename : draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-13.txt Pages : 37 Date : 2017-06-30 Abstract: This document describes a Network Service Header (NSH) inserted onto packets or frames to realize service function paths. NSH also provides a mechanism for metadata exchange along the instantiated service path. NSH is the SFC encapsulation required to support the Service Function Chaining (SFC) Architecture (defined in RFC7665). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sfc-nsh/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-13 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-13 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-13 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Jun 30 12:46:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sfc@ietf.org Delivered-To: sfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251DC126D05; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 12:46:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: sfc@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149885200412.4686.625724536330402017@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 12:46:44 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [sfc] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sfc-hierarchical-03.txt X-BeenThere: sfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Network Service Chaining List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 19:46:44 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Service Function Chaining of the IETF. Title : Hierarchical Service Function Chaining (hSFC) Authors : David Dolson Shunsuke Homma Diego R. Lopez Mohamed Boucadair Dapeng Liu Ting Ao Vu Anh Vu Filename : draft-ietf-sfc-hierarchical-03.txt Pages : 26 Date : 2017-06-30 Abstract: Hierarchical Service Function Chaining (hSFC) is a network architecture allowing an organization to decompose a large-scale network into multiple domains of administration. The goals of hSFC are to make a large-scale network easier to reason about, simpler to control and to support independent functional groups within large network operators. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sfc-hierarchical/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sfc-hierarchical-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sfc-hierarchical-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sfc-hierarchical-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Jun 30 13:02:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B9A1250B8 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 13:02:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kDrI1_c0VEik for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 13:02:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.sandvine.com (mail1.sandvine.com [64.7.137.165]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED49C128768 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 13:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BLR-EXCHP-2.sandvine.com (192.168.196.172) by WTL-EXCHP-3.sandvine.com (192.168.196.177) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.319.2; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 16:02:33 -0400 Received: from WTL-EXCHP-1.sandvine.com ([fe80::ac6b:cc1e:f2ff:93aa]) by blr-exchp-2.sandvine.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0319.002; Fri, 30 Jun 2017 16:02:33 -0400 From: Dave Dolson To: "sfc@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [sfc] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sfc-hierarchical-03.txt Thread-Index: AQHS8dmfO1KmvJj0skyALfG07n/WaaI90DGA Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 20:02:32 +0000 Message-ID: References: <149885200412.4686.625724536330402017@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <149885200412.4686.625724536330402017@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.200.114] x-c2processedorg: b2f06e69-072f-40ee-90c5-80a34e700794 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sfc] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sfc-hierarchical-03.txt X-BeenThere: sfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Network Service Chaining List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 20:02:37 -0000 SFC WG, This new version hopefully addresses some of the comments received on the l= ist. It also uses the new NSH header format, with some language about handling t= he TTL in the sub-domains. (I've written that whether to expose the hops of the sub-domain is administ= rator choice.) Hopefully my changes are acceptable to the working group. I'm more than happy to discuss this with anyone. I think the main outstanding issue is whether we should reduce the number o= f options in sections 3.1.1 thru 3.1.5 be reduced? On one hand, the start and end of sub-domain chains are within the purview = of a single vendor. On the other hand, 5 options is too many. See you in Prague, -Dave -----Original Message----- From: sfc [mailto:sfc-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.o= rg Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 3:47 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: sfc@ietf.org Subject: [sfc] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sfc-hierarchical-03.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Service Function Chaining of the IETF. Title : Hierarchical Service Function Chaining (hSFC) Authors : David Dolson Shunsuke Homma Diego R. Lopez Mohamed Boucadair Dapeng Liu Ting Ao Vu Anh Vu Filename : draft-ietf-sfc-hierarchical-03.txt Pages : 26 Date : 2017-06-30 Abstract: Hierarchical Service Function Chaining (hSFC) is a network architecture allowing an organization to decompose a large-scale network into multiple domains of administration. The goals of hSFC are to make a large-scale network easier to reason about, simpler to control and to support independent functional groups within large network operators. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sfc-hierarchical/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sfc-hierarchical-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sfc-hierarchical-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-sfc-hierarchical-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ sfc mailing list sfc@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sfc
    WG stateWaiting for WG Chair Go= -Ahead
    Doc = Shepherd Follow-up Underway

    I'm confused.

    Regards,
    Greg