From nobody Tue Oct 3 09:45:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D99134F78 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2017 09:45:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kumari-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SotJ7iYkg8gZ for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2017 09:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wr0-x230.google.com (mail-wr0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40A8F134F76 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2017 09:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr0-x230.google.com with SMTP id l24so3902570wre.1 for ; Tue, 03 Oct 2017 09:45:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kumari-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=mQYrp2fcnjf9dsnOa4Klo7h5GQfGfZJQX8VgiX/FZZQ=; b=iShjXYZb8b2KFnvctO0eRJo96zg7GhWinIFKiCXxMXbU/e16nf+vFZH/2QYNS1tDQy 9qTcL5eeKIrovgVjt7DA0M5wotZ2MWfeYXTmw9zZ7mkcfoO/DFyAqbIRmmtvxts1P9cR DgZhS5g49W6ExQs2IsGvMZYzxnr2PVBC07QoToFxTS5xE3odMeQ/inoLxNv2kx29vAn3 MdcEm/gq18BB2pkYNakmeHu8+PkQ43gvLzJecWp6/gCPByZhiipGViF6eYW8H5MP2h9K mhPGMHhQVsbNKuclqUr5tyGLGjO7BacLiBZfl0AEOJBOCoSSnRnO4XC7OIVJQnGxkm6A +jyQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=mQYrp2fcnjf9dsnOa4Klo7h5GQfGfZJQX8VgiX/FZZQ=; b=f5R2sxGvn6szEy80TOyqxzKj7uUpiq/YXdBmgzm2fTdDb6s4fxB+dAJR+mAaHs87ke AjiuzbfR0BP5nKatUXis5oi/tkoeFA4ViVlBbxOUUHk3PeibyXAaZghh4sOHuel/P2oR BM/qwDzu72OPV+En7XJPSYe8o88AVUeAEZII26q2Id6gjiXeYuKtaM/+arVmZrrHOOsf sclLCrM8CC0VMKdWzayirxXIbarYfn8IgmbaVNRNkPTu5AHnPCKyEm9npb//bV/tYU7x p9i/sR0HLcKTQDkKPsyMIRDwMpdoXaHkB9fFTJCb0JHJQyrcBx++c7Mql7ESG/FHb7Yl fPlw== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUgjiVQTpAXpqbPaOSVs5tvHDzpfKDTWgfPuF2VxxYq1dWRLNoSm l7k2G3kHalNYTZu2Fw2s/RM3JCdTNbW8IjYECqHgwQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QAU2KazqP9uEu1E3xBb5alZjhBeYnVOZpbS6Zm6lLo7PhD6WlWUZ1TF+/cXmIg5agC/evmgzR94NMyogBc6eZs= X-Received: by 10.223.133.147 with SMTP id 19mr16914004wrt.184.1507049109433; Tue, 03 Oct 2017 09:45:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.188.8 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Oct 2017 09:44:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Warren Kumari Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2017 09:44:28 -0700 Message-ID: To: draft-ietf-sidrops-bgpsec-rollover@ietf.org, sidrops@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] AD review of draft-ietf-sidrops-bgpsec-rollover X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2017 16:45:18 -0000 Hello, Thank you to the editors and WG for your efforts on this document, it's a well written and easy to understand draft. I do have a few comments that I=E2=80=99d like addressed before I start IETF LC =E2=80=94 addressing these now will avoid issues later in the process. Questions: 1: Section 2. Introduction "This document provides general recommendations for that process. Certificate Practice Statements (CPS) documents MAY reference these recommendations." I do not understand the use of a 2119 MAY here -- can it be made lowercase instead? I really don't understand what it is trying to accomplish. 2: 3.1. A proposed process for BGPsec router key rollover "If there is no staging period, routing information may be lost." I do not have any better text to suggest, but I don't really think that routing information gets "lost" - when the session is fixed, the information still gets through -- perhaps "routing may be disrupted"? My comments are mostly editorial nits. 1: There are some IDNITs -- a number of the drafts are now RFCs: =3D=3D Outdated reference: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-ops has been published as= RFC 8207 =3D=3D Outdated reference: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-protocol has been publish= ed as RFC 8205 =3D=3D Outdated reference: draft-ietf-sidr-rpki-rtr-rfc6810-bis has been published as RFC 8210 2: Section 3. Key rollover in BGPsec "An BGPsec router certificate SHOULD be replaced ..." s/An/A/ 2: Section 3. Key rollover in BGPsec "Protection against withdrawel supporession and replay attacks" -- typos in "withdrawel" and "supporession" 3: Section 3.1. A proposed process for BGPsec router key rollover "However, If an administrator" s/If/if/ 4: Section 6. Security Considerations "When certificates containing a new public key are provisioning ahead" s/provisioning/provisioned/ Please let me know once these are addressed, so I can start LC. Thanks again, W --=20 I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf From nobody Tue Oct 3 15:05:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietf.org Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE51E132125; Tue, 3 Oct 2017 15:05:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: sidrops@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150706833779.24160.8162297143468170275@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2017 15:05:37 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-bgpsec-rollover-02.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2017 22:05:38 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the SIDR Operations WG of the IETF. Title : BGPsec Router Certificate Rollover Authors : Brian Weis Roque Gagliano Keyur Patel Filename : draft-ietf-sidrops-bgpsec-rollover-02.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2017-10-03 Abstract: Certificate Authorities (CAs) managing CA certificates and End-Entity (EE) certificates within the Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI) will also manage BGPsec router certificates. But the rollover of CA and EE certificates BGPsec router certificates have additional considerations for Normal and emergency rollover processes. The rollover must be carefully managed in order to synchronize distribution of router public keys and BGPsec routers creating BGPsec Update messages verified with those router public keys. This document provides general recommendations for the rollover process, as well as describing reasons why the rollover of BGPsec router certificates might be necessary. When this rollover process is followed the rollover should be accomplished without routing information being lost. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidrops-bgpsec-rollover/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-bgpsec-rollover-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-bgpsec-rollover-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sidrops-bgpsec-rollover-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2017 22:33:30 -0000 Excellent. Thank you, I kicked off LC. W On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Brian Weis (bew) wrote: > Hi Warren, > > Thanks for your careful review. > > On Oct 3, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Warren Kumari wrote: > > Hello, > > Thank you to the editors and WG for your efforts on > this document, it's a well written and easy to understand > draft. I do have a few comments that I=E2=80=99d like addressed > before I start IETF LC =E2=80=94 addressing these now will avoid > issues later in the process. > > > Questions: > 1: Section 2. Introduction > "This document provides general recommendations for that process. > Certificate Practice Statements (CPS) documents MAY reference these > recommendations." > > I do not understand the use of a 2119 MAY here -- can it be made > lowercase instead? I really don't understand what it is trying to > accomplish. > > > Hmmmm, since the subject of the MAY is not this document (i.e., is the CP= S), > then use of requirements language does seem improper. We=E2=80=99ve chang= ed > this to lower case as suggested. > > > 2: 3.1. A proposed process for BGPsec router key rollover > "If there is no staging period, routing information may be lost." > I do not have any better text to suggest, but I don't really think > that routing information gets "lost" - when the session is fixed, the > information still gets through -- perhaps "routing may be disrupted=E2=80= =9D? > > > Yes, =E2=80=9Crouting may be disrupted=E2=80=9D was the intent. We=E2=80= =99ve replaced this phrase > with > "routing may be disrupted due to the inability of a BGPsec router to > validate > BGPsec updates signed with a new private key" > > My comments are mostly editorial nits. > 1: There are some IDNITs -- a number of the drafts are now RFCs: > =3D=3D Outdated reference: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-ops has been published = as RFC > 8207 > > =3D=3D Outdated reference: draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-protocol has been publi= shed > as RFC 8205 > > =3D=3D Outdated reference: draft-ietf-sidr-rpki-rtr-rfc6810-bis has been > published as RFC 8210 > > > Ack =E2=80=A6 these RFCs were published after our -01 was published. > > 2: Section 3. Key rollover in BGPsec > "An BGPsec router certificate SHOULD be replaced ..." > s/An/A/ > > 2: Section 3. Key rollover in BGPsec > "Protection against withdrawel supporession and replay attacks" > -- typos in "withdrawel" and "supporession" > > 3: Section 3.1. A proposed process for BGPsec router key rollover > "However, If an administrator" > s/If/if/ > > 4: Section 6. Security Considerations > "When certificates containing a new public key are provisioning ahead" > s/provisioning/provisioned/ > > > All fixed. > > > Please let me know once these are addressed, so I can start LC. > > > Done. . > > Thanks! > Brian > > > Thanks again, > W > > > -- > I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad > idea in the first place. > This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing > regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair > of pants. > ---maf > > > -- > Brian Weis > Security, CSG, Cisco Systems > Telephone: +1 408 526 4796 > Email: bew@cisco.com > --=20 I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf From nobody Wed Oct 4 09:21:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietf.org Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E1413232C; Tue, 3 Oct 2017 17:00:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk CC: morrowc@ops-netman.net, sidrops@ietf.org, draft-ietf-sidrops-bgpsec-rollover@ietf.org, sidrops-chairs@ietf.org, Chris Morrow , warren@kumari.net Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Sender: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <150707522498.24203.5033315018963864378.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2017 17:00:24 -0700 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 04 Oct 2017 09:21:49 -0700 Subject: [Sidrops] Last Call: (BGPsec Router Certificate Rollover) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2017 00:00:25 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the SIDR Operations WG (sidrops) to consider the following document: - 'BGPsec Router Certificate Rollover' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2017-10-17. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract Certificate Authorities (CAs) managing CA certificates and End-Entity (EE) certificates within the Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI) will also manage BGPsec router certificates. But the rollover of CA and EE certificates BGPsec router certificates have additional considerations for Normal and emergency rollover processes. The rollover must be carefully managed in order to synchronize distribution of router public keys and BGPsec routers creating BGPsec Update messages verified with those router public keys. This document provides general recommendations for the rollover process, as well as describing reasons why the rollover of BGPsec router certificates might be necessary. When this rollover process is followed the rollover should be accomplished without routing information being lost. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidrops-bgpsec-rollover/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidrops-bgpsec-rollover/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. 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Pls adopt. 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[204.42.252.17]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k188sm16830itd.34.2017.10.05.11.42.03 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 05 Oct 2017 11:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Sean Turner In-Reply-To: <59D52DEA.20208@foobar.org> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 11:42:01 -0700 Cc: Keyur Patel , "sidrops@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <94653370-C17A-44CA-9CB5-B1AC21D9EC5B@sn3rd.com> References: <429EC453-8E4C-4E48-9CCA-EDB83A72E409@arrcus.com> <59D52DEA.20208@foobar.org> To: Nick Hilliard X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-clarify (10/4 to 10/19) X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 18:42:07 -0000 > On Oct 4, 2017, at 11:52, Nick Hilliard wrote: > > Keyur Patel wrote: >> Please send your comments to the list. > > this is a sensible clarification to the spec. Pls adopt. I read the draft and +1 to what Nick said spt From nobody Thu Oct 5 12:31:43 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0A8132D51 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 12:31:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.75 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FnZSfPydQ1B4 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 12:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pf0-x22d.google.com (mail-pf0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64112132195 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 12:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id u12so8423753pfl.4 for ; Thu, 05 Oct 2017 12:31:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to:references :mime-version; bh=4UWQT+maN7emzdNm5eHmNJP7PirL+Cz5XG8XmTImZTA=; b=vRByXJ3SezCSVsa90c4He0I8vKrdKBTa+W/o18G9SkHX37aaAapjNqL2vBHQgiIuK0 KDbBkitUeWJ8cHimJCXa9VmQPpzdd3BVk0BljJRH2yOaaZBEB0uVpyEtUuD628H+WfpJ ezpBJJmnL6/MO4ub2bWFlCRwod2zYFWAiyBQsA4DOGgJuXWtIIhqbdiz7AlWzMqt6Mqa FY6k4pVYdX5kedVpzXH+ker9g6ZtEJ3IMYpr+lYdKIY8UF5AhOA1aYTyyMTr1GCOHBzL taIM3hbQ2sNoPxpRmc2FZRCnXeLUlapvSzhKlF2dvWbtQhm5tAgRJjQU6hVHV6YESbPX 2e5w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version; bh=4UWQT+maN7emzdNm5eHmNJP7PirL+Cz5XG8XmTImZTA=; b=QwlyByREAG0F/CXfCcwLIeByb2LZ6e1oznbhTiFpsSvRFvZJpDxsicARvNtWTUThIV nBEdkMG56kqEyr6bxccQDiXYW6iPojKQGX9qY/PCXooRoZXjEVRrHIP4e17Hftf+NDy3 OHqzMkwaB0xg34x6AF48MQDWP3Asfixe3I9Mobr+lJ9DIlzbyRStp5EXHgoGwWK5eWDK enB3thQWv9Y1l31y1ImdXntwDFEpSyVdfmlQBirG6ccK9tCXeHd3tR51a/t6qu+bBiQS HHnJuZqkMc4k0x/kdv1RIGA2p82r50JkWBHiXWSKcpnp6g6EWGjFIvWpSGabk2C2Z9Dp PWJQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaV1IeeQvNT9LxRLdplDyxJN2wCZMVKWpCgtNnc4Ax1PBOwlC3Ko UlE61yshF9sekkUkcVIHNxs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QAFCYkhQPXg9hIMsLOr/yhke6eVquf3jtEWHKccVlCssJpaAY0B05gTVu9X0ZOa2/imUxYGXQ== X-Received: by 10.98.210.5 with SMTP id c5mr9380434pfg.181.1507231899694; Thu, 05 Oct 2017 12:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [199.187.221.46] ([2620:0:ce0:101:3508:d4e9:8719:9059]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l12sm30037571pgr.10.2017.10.05.12.31.37 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 05 Oct 2017 12:31:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Carlos M. Martinez" To: "Sean Turner" Cc: "Nick Hilliard" , "Keyur Patel" , "sidrops@ietf.org" Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 12:31:36 -0700 Message-ID: <80CE6BA4-72D2-49F1-9B08-D78986BFF6E0@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <94653370-C17A-44CA-9CB5-B1AC21D9EC5B@sn3rd.com> References: <429EC453-8E4C-4E48-9CCA-EDB83A72E409@arrcus.com> <59D52DEA.20208@foobar.org> <94653370-C17A-44CA-9CB5-B1AC21D9EC5B@sn3rd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MailMate Trial (1.9.7r5419) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-clarify (10/4 to 10/19) X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 19:31:42 -0000 I support adoption as well. On 5 Oct 2017, at 11:42, Sean Turner wrote: >> On Oct 4, 2017, at 11:52, Nick Hilliard wrote: >> >> Keyur Patel wrote: >>> Please send your comments to the list. >> >> this is a sensible clarification to the spec. Pls adopt. > > I read the draft and +1 to what Nick said > > spt > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Thu Oct 5 12:37:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA88133044 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 12:37:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1dcIY_4fClqp for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 12:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail3.dllstx09.us.to.gin.ntt.net (mail3.dllstx09.us.to.gin.ntt.net [IPv6:2001:418:3ff:5::26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BDCB4132D89 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 12:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail3.dllstx09.us.to.gin.ntt.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1e0Bxi-000APv-7a (job@us.ntt.net) for sidrops@ietf.org; Thu, 05 Oct 2017 19:37:38 +0000 Received: by mail-oi0-f50.google.com with SMTP id n82so19107182oig.3 for ; Thu, 05 Oct 2017 12:37:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaUJnLvCkV+EAq/572q5orkj7vphWZJ0Rpn4jTFyTePNhrBwkTOR hR2bsQ7HbpzUoqYDYS05S9vsDB7yK9AUjIdy0UMK5w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QCwYKDCuNTO42nE+qgTaI3T5stSvmkQRQUiuqPDgSEtI9WEgbaxOu8ImUtzw7kcDPcoxzbNqTw2rrJAGOuZe+I= X-Received: by 10.157.85.80 with SMTP id h16mr14240447oti.114.1507232257641; Thu, 05 Oct 2017 12:37:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <429EC453-8E4C-4E48-9CCA-EDB83A72E409@arrcus.com> <59D52DEA.20208@foobar.org> <94653370-C17A-44CA-9CB5-B1AC21D9EC5B@sn3rd.com> <80CE6BA4-72D2-49F1-9B08-D78986BFF6E0@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <80CE6BA4-72D2-49F1-9B08-D78986BFF6E0@gmail.com> From: Job Snijders Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 19:37:27 +0000 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: "Carlos M. Martinez" , Sean Turner Cc: Keyur Patel , Nick Hilliard , "sidrops@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403043ab4d04feebc055ad1dbf0" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-clarify (10/4 to 10/19) X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 19:37:40 -0000 --f403043ab4d04feebc055ad1dbf0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I support adoption. Kind regards, Job --f403043ab4d04feebc055ad1dbf0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--f403043ab4d04feebc055ad1dbf0-- From nobody Thu Oct 5 12:41:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1721D13330E for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 12:39:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.801 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1xd7E7LjVpzJ for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 12:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B62B133044 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2017 12:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.85) for sidrops@ietf.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (envelope-from ) id <1e0BzM-000PRx-EH>; Thu, 05 Oct 2017 21:39:20 +0200 Received: from x5ce7e384.dyn.telefonica.de ([92.231.227.132] helo=mw-x1.fritz.box) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.85) for sidrops@ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (envelope-from ) id <1e0BzM-001k4k-4W>; Thu, 05 Oct 2017 21:39:20 +0200 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 21:39:19 +0200 From: Matthias Waehlisch To: "sidrops@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <80CE6BA4-72D2-49F1-9B08-D78986BFF6E0@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <429EC453-8E4C-4E48-9CCA-EDB83A72E409@arrcus.com> <59D52DEA.20208@foobar.org> <94653370-C17A-44CA-9CB5-B1AC21D9EC5B@sn3rd.com> <80CE6BA4-72D2-49F1-9B08-D78986BFF6E0@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (WNT 1167 2008-08-23) X-X-Sender: waehl@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Originating-IP: 92.231.227.132 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-clarify (10/4 to 10/19) X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 19:39:25 -0000 +1. Cheers matthias On Thu, 5 Oct 2017, Carlos M. Martinez wrote: > I support adoption as well. > > > > On 5 Oct 2017, at 11:42, Sean Turner wrote: > > >> On Oct 4, 2017, at 11:52, Nick Hilliard wrote: > >> > >> Keyur Patel wrote: > >>> Please send your comments to the list. > >> > >> this is a sensible clarification to the spec. Pls adopt. > > > > I read the draft and +1 to what Nick said > > > > spt > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sidrops mailing list > > Sidrops@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > -- Matthias Waehlisch . 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[204.42.252.17]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v65sm70383itf.38.2017.10.05.13.30.01 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 05 Oct 2017 13:30:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Turner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 13:29:58 -0700 To: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] WGLC comments on draft-ietf-sidrops-bgpsec-rollover-02 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 20:30:05 -0000 I read this draft way back when it was a SIDR WG draft, but reviewed it = again today. I think this document is ready to be pushed out of the WG = and I only have the following nits that can be addresses now or later at = the WG chair/author=E2=80=99s discretion: 0. Abstract as per RFC5280: r/Certificate Authority (CA)/Certification = Authority (CA) 1. Abstract: Not sure I can parse this: "But the rollover of CA and EE = certificates BGPsec router certificates=E2=80=9D is there a missing word = before =E2=80=9CBGPsec=E2=80=9D? 2. s1: r/router's key/router's BGPsec key 3. s1:/[RFC7030])/[RFC7030] 4. s3: r/Emergency router key rollover/Emergency router key rollover: 5. s3: r/OLD/old (?) unless you=E2=80=99re also going to change the new = to NEW earlier in the paragraph 6. s3.1, Item 1: This item describes a "the new public key in a new = certificate=E2=80=9D, but the previous paragraph in s3 mentioned issuing = a new certificate with an old key so I=E2=80=99m not sure =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80= =9D is needed before public key. I guess =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D is also = mention at the end of Item 2. Basically, I just think you need to look = at the wording to make sure that it doesn=E2=80=99t imply the key = actually has to be new ;). Hope this comment makes sense. 7. s3.1, step 4: r/invalidate updates/invalidate BGPsec updates and r/OLD updates/OLD BGPsec updates 8. s2, s3.1, s4 for consistency: r/roll-over/rollover Cheers, spt= From nobody Fri Oct 6 11:52:57 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8074134C31 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 11:52:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.519 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.519 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from 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draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-clarify-01.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 23:35:52 -0000 I'd like to add a section: ROAs and BGP announcements Every IP prefix that is matched by a ROA SHOULD be announced to BGP by the = AS stated in the ROA unless that AS is AS 0. If the owner AS does not announce the prefix, then = another AS can announce the prefix and simply prepend the owner ASN. Such a false announce= ment will pass RPKI validation. Also, there will be no legitimate announcement to compete = with it. If an AS wishes to protect an IP address prefix without announcing it, then it SHOULD issue a ROA that associates the prefix with AS 0. Thanks, Jakob From nobody Fri Oct 6 16:54:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516581330B1 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 16:54:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dRbKEL5w4sQj for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 16:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE6421321A7 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 16:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e0cRo-0006Vj-BB; Fri, 06 Oct 2017 23:54:28 +0000 Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2017 08:54:26 +0900 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Jakob Heitz Cc: SIDR Operations WG In-Reply-To: <50b3ef1b548d4726a5628d5edf53cf2d@XCH-ALN-014.cisco.com> References: <50b3ef1b548d4726a5628d5edf53cf2d@XCH-ALN-014.cisco.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/25.2 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-clarify-01.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 23:54:31 -0000 hi jakob, > ROAs and BGP announcements > > Every IP prefix that is matched by a ROA SHOULD be announced to BGP by > the AS stated in the ROA unless that AS is AS 0. If the owner AS does > not announce the prefix, then another AS can announce the prefix and > simply prepend the owner ASN. Such a false announcement will pass RPKI > validation. Also, there will be no legitimate announcement to compete > with it. If an AS wishes to protect an IP address prefix without > announcing it, then it SHOULD issue a ROA that associates the prefix > with AS 0. unless i am not reading this as you intended, this is not about how validation is done, but is directed at operational practice, rfc 7115. the draft under discussion is about how validation is done. it should be clear from 7115 that OV is forgable as you describe; an attacker can prepend the expected origin. and, as validation just has to match *any* roa, as 0 does not help [0]. to strongly authenticate origination, you need to go to bgpsec. randy -- 0 - as far as i remember, as 0 has no special properties other than being an as number which is not allowed to appear in bgp, see rfc 7607, but is allowed to appear in a roa. From nobody Fri Oct 6 17:41:09 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91ECC13207A for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 17:41:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.521 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.521 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d47sbZWILejG for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 17:41:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-3.cisco.com (alln-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.142.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0AC5213331E for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 17:41:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1943; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1507336867; x=1508546467; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=0nRng+5egPFlmeMbszZrIQCaLxnN+DRvIO5OVfkTL18=; b=mILEkQ3EN335Wi4iIVoWzhE1xyvzIapYuo0ITwfxNX21Xx1jYcq//0v1 rcvYjwY+1H7ddSqf4U8nXkNhs2+CVk+vvIIHoskUhK4kby2ZArqsDmLWi Iv0diADPvco0p3qak0wd3hvJ6Ybi2Ri4kZHMSRtCdj8HF8Cg6nMwdiCE+ o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0CfAAA7IthZ/4MNJK1cGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBBwEBAQEBg12BUicHjhKPbYF2li+CEgqFOwKEID8YAQIBAQEBAQEBayiFGAE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQECATo/BQcEAgEIEQQBAR8JBzIUCQgCBA4FCIogCKdpizgBAQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEBAQEBAQEdgy2CAoFRgWqDKYp4BaEzApRakxOIToxeAhEZAYE4AR84gQ5?= =?us-ascii?q?4FYdmdoZ8LIEFgRABAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.42,486,1500940800"; d="scan'208";a="13742301" Received: from alln-core-1.cisco.com ([173.36.13.131]) by alln-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 07 Oct 2017 00:41:06 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-011.cisco.com (xch-aln-011.cisco.com [173.36.7.21]) by alln-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v970f5v7024203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Oct 2017 00:41:06 GMT Received: from xch-aln-014.cisco.com (173.36.7.24) by XCH-ALN-011.cisco.com (173.36.7.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1320.4; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 19:41:05 -0500 Received: from xch-aln-014.cisco.com ([173.36.7.24]) by XCH-ALN-014.cisco.com ([173.36.7.24]) with mapi id 15.00.1320.000; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 19:41:05 -0500 From: "Jakob Heitz (jheitz)" To: Randy Bush CC: SIDR Operations WG Thread-Topic: [Sidrops] draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-clarify-01.txt Thread-Index: AQHTCM8o/uckWQovpkasQZS9cIJoI6LX4zDQgABb5QD//7PrEA== Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2017 00:41:05 +0000 Message-ID: <4bb0679ec1284441a50d9a0ebb48e070@XCH-ALN-014.cisco.com> References: <50b3ef1b548d4726a5628d5edf53cf2d@XCH-ALN-014.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.154.131.69] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-clarify-01.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2017 00:41:08 -0000 Randy, 0 helps if an AS is not announcing its prefix in BGP. Registering it under AS0 causes the evil announcement to be invalid. The evil announcer cannot prepend 0. Of course, it should register under AS0 only, not under its own ASN. RPKI is actually really good at protecting unannounced prefixes. It can protect announced prefixes if you can manage to get a shorter AS_PATH length than the evil prepended path. Thanks, Jakob -----Original Message----- From: Randy Bush [mailto:randy@psg.com]=20 Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 4:54 PM To: Jakob Heitz (jheitz) Cc: SIDR Operations WG Subject: Re: [Sidrops] draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-clarify-01.txt hi jakob, > ROAs and BGP announcements >=20 > Every IP prefix that is matched by a ROA SHOULD be announced to BGP by > the AS stated in the ROA unless that AS is AS 0. If the owner AS does > not announce the prefix, then another AS can announce the prefix and > simply prepend the owner ASN. Such a false announcement will pass RPKI > validation. Also, there will be no legitimate announcement to compete > with it. If an AS wishes to protect an IP address prefix without > announcing it, then it SHOULD issue a ROA that associates the prefix > with AS 0. unless i am not reading this as you intended, this is not about how validation is done, but is directed at operational practice, rfc 7115. the draft under discussion is about how validation is done. it should be clear from 7115 that OV is forgable as you describe; an attacker can prepend the expected origin. and, as validation just has to match *any* roa, as 0 does not help [0]. to strongly authenticate origination, you need to go to bgpsec. randy -- 0 - as far as i remember, as 0 has no special properties other than being an as number which is not allowed to appear in bgp, see rfc 7607, but is allowed to appear in a roa. From nobody Fri Oct 6 17:51:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58C7133342 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 17:51:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RrzpjVQ7_VCU for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 17:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC24113331E for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 17:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e0dLJ-0004IT-Uf; Sat, 07 Oct 2017 00:51:50 +0000 Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2017 09:51:48 +0900 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Jakob Heitz Cc: SIDR Operations WG In-Reply-To: <4bb0679ec1284441a50d9a0ebb48e070@XCH-ALN-014.cisco.com> References: <50b3ef1b548d4726a5628d5edf53cf2d@XCH-ALN-014.cisco.com> <4bb0679ec1284441a50d9a0ebb48e070@XCH-ALN-014.cisco.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/25.2 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-clarify-01.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2017 00:51:53 -0000 hi jakob, > 0 helps if an AS is not announcing its prefix in BGP. Registering it > under AS0 causes the evil announcement to be invalid. The evil > announcer cannot prepend 0. Of course, it should register under AS0 > only, not under its own ASN. > > RPKI is actually really good at protecting unannounced prefixes. It > can protect announced prefixes if you can manage to get a shorter > AS_PATH length than the evil prepended path. yep, all true. but, imiho, not for this doc. this doc is meant to clarify some things that implementations have shown to be insufficiently clear in 6811, how announcement are validated in a router, not in 7115, operational practices. but if you think your comments could be used to clarify 7115, i have no problem with that. randy From nobody Fri Oct 6 19:27:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 463CD13219C for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 19:27:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Iyv36ufRpq3s for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 19:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out20-3.mail.aliyun.com (out20-3.mail.aliyun.com [115.124.20.3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04705132125 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 19:27:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Alimail-AntiSpam: AC=CONTINUE; BC=0.4753426|-1; FP=0|0|0|0|0|-1|-1|-1; HT=e02c03309; MF=madi@rpstir.net; NM=1; PH=DS; RN=2; RT=2; SR=0; TI=SMTPD_---.93efqCx_1507343247; Received: from 192.168.3.3(mailfrom:madi@rpstir.net ip:118.247.20.217) by smtp.aliyun-inc.com(10.147.42.16); Sat, 07 Oct 2017 10:27:27 +0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Di Ma In-Reply-To: <429EC453-8E4C-4E48-9CCA-EDB83A72E409@arrcus.com> Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2017 10:27:54 +0800 Cc: "sidrops@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <429EC453-8E4C-4E48-9CCA-EDB83A72E409@arrcus.com> To: Keyur Patel X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-clarify (10/4 to 10/19) X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2017 02:27:35 -0000 I support adoption. Di > =D4=DA 2017=C4=EA10=D4=C25=C8=D5=A3=AC00:57=A3=ACKeyur Patel = =D0=B4=B5=C0=A3=BA >=20 > Hi Folks, > =20 > The authors have requested SIDROPS working group adoption call of = draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-clarify-01, =A1=B0Origin Validation = Clarifications=A1=B1. Please send your comments to the list. > =20 > This adoption call will conclude on Oct 19 2017. > =20 > Regards, > Keyur > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Mon Oct 9 17:22:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0CA1331DD for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 17:22:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.521 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.521 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) 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2017 17:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e24Tz-00066y-9e; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 00:02:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:02:41 +0900 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Keyur Patel Cc: SIDR Operations WG In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/25.2 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for draft-madi-sidrops-rp-adoption X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 00:02:47 -0000 > The authors have requested SIDROPS working group adoption call of > draft-madi-sidrops-rp-adoption, $B!H(BRequirements for Resource Public Key > 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Please send your comments to > the list. the actual name of the draft in my rsynced repo is draft-madi-sidrops-rp-00.txt while i have no strong objection to discussing this draft in the wg, all it does is two things o points to the documents with the protein o and any place it tries to have actual protein, it risks contradicting or confusing the real documents the sidr* wgs chose not to publish the bgpsec overview draft. this seems analogous. randy From nobody Tue Oct 10 17:45:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78BAF132FB1 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 17:45:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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charset=ISO-2022-JP Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for draft-madi-sidrops-rp-adoption X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 00:57:03 -0000 > Apologies. The draft name is: draft-madi-sidrops-rp-00.txt (as you > indicated). then to further comment :) >> The authors have requested SIDROPS working group adoption call of >> draft-madi-sidrops-rp-adoption, $B!H(BRequirements for Resource Public Key >> Infrastructure (RPKI) Relying Parties$B!I(B. Please send your comments to >> the list. the document is mis-titled. it is not a requirements document at all; note the lack of normative 2119 (or whatever it is numbered this week). it's kind of an annotated table of content of the rpki/ov rfcs. randy From nobody Tue Oct 10 22:24:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB6C13239C for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 22:24:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zJlfs77-KAGx for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 22:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out20-1.mail.aliyun.com (out20-1.mail.aliyun.com [115.124.20.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41DA2124B17 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 22:24:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Alimail-AntiSpam: AC=CONTINUE; BC=0.2814213|-1; FP=0|0|0|0|0|-1|-1|-1; HT=e02c03280; MF=madi@rpstir.net; NM=1; PH=DS; RN=3; RT=3; SR=0; TI=SMTPD_---.963mywv_1507699430; Received: from 192.168.218.249(mailfrom:madi@rpstir.net ip:124.17.24.252) by smtp.aliyun-inc.com(10.147.44.145); Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:24:20 +0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Di Ma In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:23:50 +0800 Cc: Keyur Patel , SIDR Operations WG Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Randy Bush X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for draft-madi-sidrops-rp-adoption X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 05:24:30 -0000 Randy, Thanks for your review. See my comment in lines.=20 > =D4=DA 2017=C4=EA10=D4=C211=C8=D5=A3=AC08:02=A3=ACRandy Bush = =D0=B4=B5=C0=A3=BA >=20 >> The authors have requested SIDROPS working group adoption call of >> draft-madi-sidrops-rp-adoption, =A1=B0Requirements for Resource = Public Key >> Infrastructure (RPKI) Relying Parties=A1=B1. Please send your = comments to >> the list. >=20 > the actual name of the draft in my rsynced repo is >=20 > draft-madi-sidrops-rp-00.txt >=20 > while i have no strong objection to discussing this draft in the wg, = all > it does is two things >=20 > o points to the documents with the protein >=20 > o and any place it tries to have actual protein, it risks > contradicting or confusing the real documents This document is intended to help concerned readers to find where a = specific RP requirement is normatively defined. And it also offers a framework through which the RP requirements with = orthogonal functionalities are categorized. >=20 > the sidr* wgs chose not to publish the bgpsec overview draft. this > seems analogous. >=20 I think the bgpsec overview draft is helpful. Although it is not published, people are still able to learn BGPSEC by = getting started with RFC 8205. Granted, the authors of draft-madi-sidrops-rp hope this document = provides glues for real RP requirements that are scatted in other RFCs. Di From nobody Tue Oct 10 22:37:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9BE13239C for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 22:37:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kujYXiycSeHl for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 22:37:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out20-3.mail.aliyun.com (out20-3.mail.aliyun.com [115.124.20.3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE9C3132026 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 22:37:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Alimail-AntiSpam: AC=CONTINUE; BC=0.2111687|-1; FP=0|0|0|0|0|-1|-1|-1; HT=e02c03292; MF=madi@rpstir.net; NM=1; PH=DS; RN=3; RT=3; SR=0; TI=SMTPD_---.964DYCr_1507700229; Received: from 192.168.218.249(mailfrom:madi@rpstir.net ip:124.17.24.252) by smtp.aliyun-inc.com(10.147.40.200); Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:37:39 +0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Di Ma In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:36:39 +0800 Cc: Keyur Patel , SIDR Operations WG Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Randy Bush X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for draft-madi-sidrops-rp-adoption X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 05:37:47 -0000 Randy, >=20 > the document is mis-titled. it is not a requirements document at all; > note the lack of normative 2119 (or whatever it is numbered this = week). Good catch. But I don=A1=AFt think the document is mis-titled.=20 I thought we don=A1=AFt need normative 2119 in this draft as an = Informational requirements document.=20 Noting Informational RFC 4892 (Requirements for a Mechanism Identifying = a Name Server Instance) and Informational RFC 6168 (Requirements for = Management of Name Servers for the DNS) both have normative 2119, I am = fine with adding normative 2119 in next version.=20 Di= From nobody Tue Oct 10 23:28:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F9D9133064 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 23:28:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SnsgSuiA9Mle for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 23:27:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ua0-x233.google.com (mail-ua0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c08::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A6CAF133052 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 23:27:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ua0-x233.google.com with SMTP id w45so472156uac.3 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 23:27:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=koVcSMppGJZ1HSio347514F8YInlqcyU2czA7UbYwr8=; b=WQD/m7p7NPdgnk1y6NJrRDOos6qxX60VtEDfA/+RY7pebPoLA6mhjtiRyMmIiVWFpU d3CZEyfU8bhT/6KrXW+etB2aI4csyvHs3kOZIU87HTTo7hai8dHmTkg4Z8zrf93u2TT4 UpY600FCojIIhTzdRZB4lI8mR2UpNlYJw2mT+OzyO4KK4W3VafOgvJ30FqHbdgmEnZfr EL8NWd2zpStMs0+z+jS+lv65iE7sKgbYR4Pwh66zV9wxwbSJIdjHVyKTpyV9prok1zvZ lhAIzLkShZyz95VejjU5C3k4oLlRV9EvSh/gsk/OoRqXTBqEbHl8QgU4G6OCWd/UrIdy 4Elw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=koVcSMppGJZ1HSio347514F8YInlqcyU2czA7UbYwr8=; b=BoN4nxPMCCIpIHWL7IkKnzSR19BCCssAGf3faLr2PT3xNM0v023zjM3StY1fhPRHHG 1UDxEjdysWWETHo/cG3h3TrJQN1f8cECmtJIrYStQhYKprcKQOF49IXjL+C2SvOIp90h tGci1ZZgcidHw2nfkUd5P4sCttlstQ/tnvNoI2wraepS9dNMBDvD+Bof7wGv0tXSEGQR Gh3UsbwSSGdbI9+LvCaUVOSnZBrtwJZBrI5QwoHron0OAbd1wMeYlXSmP4O+GChU+hbI MttipZ9tQJNbyQdmGomNDA42UpRmb61XL5bQFxjAl4b/llSs+bfbUY2ewXf1uEmOUdBE lO2w== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaWhnRg+C1NIGrEbxKFozoaC+LBJJ51dPnsmLXulHNG9UrSWQe85 HP0aMS1TsCaOTdOpTkUIrFRr592PPZxKfRK6whKgLEb2 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QDcvz5YYPXUx6zDJDWXu5nOQ3xcaq9YJmSQEma5uz8pkRoE8WSlMLfGbsKC9DgjbyZ4LzJN35GA7SLft1mny4w= X-Received: by 10.159.63.15 with SMTP id h15mr5481665uaj.156.1507703276143; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 23:27:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.91.93 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2017 23:27:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [2001:dc0:2001:210:e847:5919:d977:cadd] In-Reply-To: References: From: George Michaelson Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 23:27:55 -0700 Message-ID: To: "sidrops@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for draft-madi-sidrops-rp-adoption X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 06:28:00 -0000 We have a tradition in the IETF (as I understand it) of writing clarifying documents to bring together the normative from the discrete, different places it lies in, and therefore clarify what must, must not, and may be done and the implications in each case. It's been done in other contexts. Why not here? So I have no problem with the WG taking on that kind of work. I don't "do" routing and I've never written relying-party code, I don't think my review is going to add much because I lack the critical eye in that regard. Life is confusing enough without having open questions about the canonical reading of a bunch of disparate documents written by different authors at different times. -George On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Keyur Patel wrote: > Hi Folks, > > > > The authors have requested SIDROPS working group adoption call of > draft-madi-sidrops-rp-adoption, =E2=80=9CRequirements for Resource Public= Key > Infrastructure (RPKI) Relying Parties=E2=80=9D. Please send your comments= to the > list. > > > > This adoption call will conclude on Oct 25 2017. > > > > Regards, > > Chris & Keyur > > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > From nobody Wed Oct 11 05:52:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7391D13430D for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 05:52:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rfO3j4qpWoQ8 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 05:52:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from molamola.ripe.net (molamola.ripe.net [IPv6:2001:67c:2e8:11::c100:1371]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E54C132D4E for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 05:52:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from titi.ripe.net ([193.0.23.11]) by molamola.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1e2GVB-0008tV-Q8; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:52:46 +0200 Received: from sslvpn.ripe.net ([193.0.20.230] helo=vpn-36.ripe.net) by titi.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1e2GVB-00027q-Mp; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:52:45 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Tim Bruijnzeels In-Reply-To: <92CECB00-7846-406B-A296-3CB12D0ED627@arrcus.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:52:45 +0200 Cc: "sidrops@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <92CECB00-7846-406B-A296-3CB12D0ED627@arrcus.com> To: Keyur Patel X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-ACL-Warn: Delaying message X-RIPE-Spam-Level: ------- X-RIPE-Spam-Report: Spam Total Points: -7.5 points pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- ------------------------------------ -7.5 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-RIPE-Signature: 784d7acfe6559f2a0b602ec6519a07199162642ef646ccbed792cecf07bcc184 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for draft-tbruijnzeels-sidrops-signed-tal-01 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 12:52:49 -0000 Dear WG, As co-author I will leave it to others to support or indeed oppose this. But, I would like to remind you all of the message I sent on this just = after IETF99: > Dear working group, >=20 > Following the discussion at the microphone at IETF99, we have uploaded = an updated version of the signed TAL document: > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tbruijnzeels-sidrops-signed-tal/ >=20 > Two issues were brought up: >=20 > 1) magic numbers used for staging periods >=20 > We removed the time after which a Signed TAL should be removed - = opting instead for a model where a TA can publish what it believes = should be considered its current TAL at all times. RPs that have already = learned this TAL can just ignore it.=20 >=20 > We kept 24 hour staging period in key rolls (section 6.2). I don=E2=80=99= t think we strictly need it to be honest, but it is in-line with how = things are done in CA key rolls (RFC6489). >=20 > We also kept a 24 hour period when withdrawing a publication point. = Although there is no explicit guarantee about how frequently RPs = re-sync, most RPs do use a much high frequency than this. The 24 hour = value is in-line with key rolls, and should be more than enough time. >=20 > 2) Lessons from RFC5011 (Automated Updates of DNS Security (DNSSEC) = Trust Anchors) >=20 > As I read the mechanisms described here are not applicable to RPKI = because we do not have explicit TTLs defined, and we do not have the = concept of Trust Anchor Sets. Therefore we still propose a model based = on the existing TAL format that we believe is simpler. >=20 >=20 > We would now like to ask for working group adoption of this document. >=20 And to repeat the goal of this effort: we want a way to do a planned = roll of our TA key (currently we are locked into our HSM vendor), and we = want to be able to do planned changes in where we publish our TA = certificate. In a way that deployed RP software can learn about these = changes automatically. We did not intend this document to be useful for emergency key rolls, = where the old key is lost or stolen. I am not opposed to solving that = issue, but it=E2=80=99s not a problem we expect to have. Furthermore I = expect it would require a much more complicated setup - possibly = involving a set of TAs where (a quorum of?) remaining TAs can add/remove = new TAs - at least that=E2=80=99s more or less what I get from RFC5011. = This is much more involved issue, so I would prefer to discuss it = separately and not have it stand in the way of solving the above issues = that we do have. Kind regards Tim > On 10 Oct 2017, at 19:19, Keyur Patel wrote: >=20 > Hi Folks, > =20 > The authors have requested SIDROPS working group adoption call of = draft-tbruijnzeels-sidrops-signed-tal-01, =E2=80=9CRPKI signed object = for TAL=E2=80=9D. Please send your comments to the list. > =20 > This adoption call will conclude on Oct 25 2017. > =20 > Regards, > Chris & Keyur > =20 > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Wed Oct 11 06:02:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E0AE13430D for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 06:02:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6L4BZq15Y7uN for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 06:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from molamola.ripe.net (molamola.ripe.net [IPv6:2001:67c:2e8:11::c100:1371]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47BEC13318B for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 06:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nene.ripe.net ([193.0.23.10]) by molamola.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1e2Geg-000Ay3-Hj; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 15:02:35 +0200 Received: from sslvpn.ripe.net ([193.0.20.230] helo=vpn-36.ripe.net) by nene.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1e2Geg-0000AE-Dk; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 15:02:34 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Tim Bruijnzeels In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 15:02:34 +0200 Cc: "sidrops@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: George Michaelson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-ACL-Warn: Delaying message X-RIPE-Spam-Level: ------- X-RIPE-Spam-Report: Spam Total Points: -7.5 points pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- ------------------------------------ -7.5 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-RIPE-Signature: 784d7acfe6559f2a0b602ec6519a07199d500ddde84106088ccd7c253744c121 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for draft-madi-sidrops-rp-adoption X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:02:43 -0000 Hi all, As an RP implementer a document like this would have been useful to me = years ago. Right now I have reached the stage where I don=E2=80=99t need = this anymore. That said I can see a use for it for other people who are = new to RPKI joining a team that works on RPKI, or starting a vanilla = RPKI RP implementation. E.g. it will allow me to ask someone new in my = team to read this first, and then we can have a whiteboard discussion on = the details not covered here.. The main issue that I see with it is that = it will get out of date, and it can be interpreted as a complete = overview of what RPs need to do. I would be much more comfortable with = it if it=E2=80=99s made abundantly clear that it=E2=80=99s intended as a = not-authoritative starting point to help new people working RP software = to learn about the standards. If that can be the direction of the = document then I support, and am willing to review. Tim > On 11 Oct 2017, at 08:27, George Michaelson wrote: >=20 > We have a tradition in the IETF (as I understand it) of writing > clarifying documents to bring together the normative from the > discrete, different places it lies in, and therefore clarify what > must, must not, and may be done and the implications in each case. > It's been done in other contexts. Why not here? >=20 > So I have no problem with the WG taking on that kind of work. I don't > "do" routing and I've never written relying-party code, I don't think > my review is going to add much because I lack the critical eye in that > regard. >=20 > Life is confusing enough without having open questions about the > canonical reading of a bunch of disparate documents written by > different authors at different times. >=20 > -George >=20 > On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Keyur Patel = wrote: >> Hi Folks, >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> The authors have requested SIDROPS working group adoption call of >> draft-madi-sidrops-rp-adoption, =E2=80=9CRequirements for Resource = Public Key >> Infrastructure (RPKI) Relying Parties=E2=80=9D. Please send your = comments to the >> list. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> This adoption call will conclude on Oct 25 2017. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Regards, >>=20 >> Chris & Keyur >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Sidrops mailing list >> Sidrops@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Wed Oct 11 06:15:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C7C132D4E for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 06:15:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.749 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.749 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pfGdJHeXcV1t for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 06:15:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-x22e.google.com (mail-qt0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3062F13420D for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 06:15:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id p1so4958039qtg.2 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 06:15:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:embedded-html; bh=Cbfg0AvhYV+Yb2D6mUj6cdx2NFpmb8dx04lqbHP/uRM=; b=plU5pqLmOK68kEY5mK5UShpFVLfzoid17vwaLtRwVox+JiGNlaVaUUopB/BNKwtiGj k2jmu6l//BN9rFpXJAlr3VMOJcg6JU2zyHwC0qkkk8I9KoWOXhkHjWLQJ3DuKsP6VBt+ uhhJN1cGNe7/TUWz5kGJQo1V9Fz3+9HhJ/cVAtyRtCHCECS+tNA5LuFy3fKOqDNn9QcY cy4FcfRLiTZd2gncnV1NLDDSeOR1t6pdZoDJCZnEP0ShRZ7uOb57C3a7lsMWbW8O+Jpw 51u43Tv1zHppG/ICt68VwZ3B7lo+faZYe384tIm28qzafVM/kH7nGYo7Q7Ikc7WsrZDW SBiw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:embedded-html; bh=Cbfg0AvhYV+Yb2D6mUj6cdx2NFpmb8dx04lqbHP/uRM=; b=WKIBJKyPVkOPrA1Faev8NPye8EbdNqz68irC3ykjqAUbkXwFQHv6zTgHKsyaNZm+uY C4Mxjffk3TrhhCilT8K7Oiw3mcTNMHtUxvyztOkBb1+3JYVVOVoTUbMYl9Kn9K99n13j F/ylljMLK7F2dOBTQs16B9ewWzc7//R1YuX3qXBtIYYecA0FEw/e9kLBMzeKfcF6SN49 x5bLRB5sEC4LXvBljCpXIK8qLlOFo+pnPcHrTGqeUOKjzkaSULJvkDWxQTQ76NcU9e6D dQy8Ez5PfLL6fNyix37sk1kWqPahszuWkBGgXjgFlZBE/so5sIvuyv49HyLpjjos+acX 5r7g== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaVCVZQUVUaMMOMpq67gN54gBypb/OBX/WnlbCbtniPdkM3xURUa S6U1DXu4VKziVPItGV1KIwk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QB0cEKyLJK9Arck6HyYROOvTilNRxYRlZsX45lFtmiHg8njRr03vwHg9jRTBWPX7clb+EgaIA== X-Received: by 10.200.36.175 with SMTP id s44mr24858793qts.298.1507727732243; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 06:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [200.7.87.58] ([2001:13c7:7001:7000:7598:6966:a7d:171]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q28sm8149858qkq.33.2017.10.11.06.15.29 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 11 Oct 2017 06:15:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Carlos M. Martinez" To: "Keyur Patel" Cc: "sidrops@ietf.org" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 10:15:27 -0300 Message-ID: <5552B3A6-23E9-4037-90AE-7E16700FB490@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MailMate_4F42F593-751E-436A-B26C-3EDE60CB2EDD_=" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Embedded-HTML: [{"HTML":[1706, 1056], "plain":[339, 315], "uuid":"81C8B58A-32C6-4981-A5A0-0DEEE4C3BCD1"}] X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.7r5419) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for draft-madi-sidrops-rp-adoption X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:15:39 -0000 --=_MailMate_4F42F593-751E-436A-B26C-3EDE60CB2EDD_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I support adoption of this document. I believe more RP implementations are badly needed and a meta-document like this one is useful. That said, I assume we as a WG will time publication appropriately so we can include the necessary references to validation-reconsidered. thanks! /Carlos On 10 Oct 2017, at 14:05, Keyur Patel wrote: > Hi Folks, > > The authors have requested SIDROPS working group adoption call of > draft-madi-sidrops-rp-adoption, “Requirements for Resource Public > Key Infrastructure (RPKI) Relying Parties”. Please send your > comments to the list. > > This adoption call will conclude on Oct 25 2017. > > Regards, > Chris & Keyur > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops --=_MailMate_4F42F593-751E-436A-B26C-3EDE60CB2EDD_= Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I support adoption of this docum= ent. I believe more RP implementations are badly needed and a meta-docume= nt like this one is useful.

That said, I assume we as a WG will time publication appr= opriately so we can include the necessary references to validation-recons= idered.

thanks!

/Carlos

On 10 Oct 2017, at 14:05, Keyur Patel wrote:

=

Hi Folks,

 =

The authors have = requested SIDROPS working group adoption call of draft-madi-sidrops-rp-ad= option, =E2=80=9CRequirements for Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPK= I) Relying Parties=E2=80=9D. Please send your comments to the list.

 =

This adoption cal= l will conclude on Oct 25 2017.

 =

Regards,

Chris & Keyur=

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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for draft-tbruijnzeels-sidrops-signed-tal-01 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 20:53:22 -0000 I think planned TA keyrolls are an appropriate work item for this group, therefore I support adoption. -andy On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Keyur Patel wrote: > Hi Folks, > > > > The authors have requested SIDROPS working group adoption call of > draft-tbruijnzeels-sidrops-signed-tal-01, =E2=80=9CRPKI signed object for= TAL=E2=80=9D. > Please send your comments to the list. > > > > This adoption call will conclude on Oct 25 2017. > > > > Regards, > > Chris & Keyur > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > From nobody Thu Oct 12 15:36:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78E55132949 for ; 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We should discuss this. -G PS https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5934 On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Keyur Patel wrote: > Hi Folks, > > > > The authors have requested SIDROPS working group adoption call of > draft-tbruijnzeels-sidrops-signed-tal-01, =E2=80=9CRPKI signed object for= TAL=E2=80=9D. > Please send your comments to the list. > > > > This adoption call will conclude on Oct 25 2017. > > > > Regards, > > Chris & Keyur > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > From nobody Thu Oct 12 15:47:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 324AD132992 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 15:47:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=hxr-us.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rrbvj7h9By4D for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 15:47:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-x234.google.com (mail-qt0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83D52132949 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 15:47:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x234.google.com with SMTP id p1so16495643qtg.2 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 15:47:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hxr-us.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :user-agent:mime-version; bh=Ci/3BF5ocUg+b5rRM1p/2zdC84lsZuVf518MQ7FsK0k=; b=R+s6jampmjb8shWot3WQjyjpEjjFb89v81LsROwNQvDoi/HrgWzP4NmznqthnlHnn2 GOQ4S/SDiRdC8TFxZylpkp6+/b9tp4WqoQqVUJBpzPbb04A1sb1BBdGcxLg0Ob18Bto/ vcoTM3Nl3FjZmTJGgcitN5d0wPsJiONb2x24kaAkCvHEWFHSOMHw4gkd/IpNU82e48Mj J+rtF6HajALkCsOpkXlszlf4idOsYPIIl2KTsHMvRMxLjcOw9xzO2sQVXBhvcxDiGY0H DB3vevPgNnLldIdo/d9PnJp+5xKu9yyhweyiMjWDj36RKN+GnFgBdeYVGwCK6GhKL/KY UbtA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to :references:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version; bh=Ci/3BF5ocUg+b5rRM1p/2zdC84lsZuVf518MQ7FsK0k=; b=UAAxIYPZq5Sw4TnRQbamF34xs7d6h5r1eoA8SugLqN4FjtCR7U8Ku0cSPXjMxMyIYS UqpO++XNuQeC8chdH3LP5viMZMVUMzA7LKp5ZlgVw0JP1NCAfaNXTBREoJwz8CuleDyX CJGbOP7OR1wc8UCSSPwC/HCmmCPJwdKKPC9HW/pdApui1dd9CdpOngSyiza3lqHcrjj5 2Ekgg86K1XM0REE7WhN23H/mmLmx4QXu5jVMizmDgkD1scAuspkyf1cpL6gCS94Bbony dks6UpSfU4PyTqo0g+BkV/O21kqBUDbrZEMVUmpkS+MdPdARY2Yg9NKLKpMdf9kS5QAc iDMg== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaUXat4Pp1Ca3hjO2GVoacMbyI2STXBYOO9zgo4S3c5c++eE5pOn 1GkkVsOOkvuFUg2IaytfYEWUKike+98= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QCn8Qy2Wfo3fVigx/fJoWEGEuuBfn7OxhyXWFOUa7wVJ+lJ71zH6xmkk8Y8jkKxRnAUM2JAVw== X-Received: by 10.200.22.234 with SMTP id y39mr5796559qtk.59.1507848435742; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 15:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.60] (pool-108-45-128-208.washdc.fios.verizon.net. [108.45.128.208]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l20sm10542581qtb.27.2017.10.12.15.47.14 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 12 Oct 2017 15:47:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andy Newton" To: "Keyur Patel" , "sidrops@ietf.org" Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 20:42:02 +0000 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <92CECB00-7846-406B-A296-3CB12D0ED627@arrcus.com> References: <92CECB00-7846-406B-A296-3CB12D0ED627@arrcus.com> Reply-To: "Andy Newton" User-Agent: eM_Client/7.1.30794.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------=_MB3B43CF4C-91D1-4908-B412-9716715BA2C1" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for draft-tbruijnzeels-sidrops-signed-tal-01 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 22:47:18 -0000 --------=_MB3B43CF4C-91D1-4908-B412-9716715BA2C1 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think planned TA keyrolls are an appropriate work item for this group,=20 and therefore support adoption. -andy ------ Original Message ------ From: "Keyur Patel" To: "sidrops@ietf.org" Sent: 10/10/2017 1:19:34 PM Subject: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for=20 draft-tbruijnzeels-sidrops-signed-tal-01 >Hi Folks, > > > >The authors have requested SIDROPS working group adoption call of=20 >draft-tbruijnzeels-sidrops-signed-tal-01, =E2=80=9CRPKI signed object for= TAL=E2=80=9D.=20 >Please send your comments to the list. > > > >This adoption call will conclude on Oct 25 2017. > > > >Regards, > >Chris & Keyur > > > --------=_MB3B43CF4C-91D1-4908-B412-9716715BA2C1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think planned TA keyrolls are an appropriate work item for thi= s group, and therefore support adoption.

-andy

------ Original Message ------
From: "Keyur Patel" <keyur@arrc= us.com>
To: "sidrops@ietf.org" <sidrops= @ietf.org>
Sent: 10/10/2017 1:19:34 PM
Subject: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for draft-tbruijnzeels-sidrops-sig= ned-tal-01

Hi Folks,

=C2=A0

The authors have re= quested SIDROPS working group adoption call of draft-tbruijnzeels-sidrops-s= igned-tal-01, =E2=80=9CRPKI signed object for TAL=E2=80=9D. Please send you= r comments to the list.

=C2=A0

This adoption call= will conclude on Oct 25 2017.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Chris & Keyur

=C2=A0

--------=_MB3B43CF4C-91D1-4908-B412-9716715BA2C1-- From nobody Thu Oct 12 17:26:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C8E9132332 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 16:10:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BjuK4MW6WPjI for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 16:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omr-m001e.mx.aol.com (omr-m001e.mx.aol.com [204.29.186.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1054E13219E for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 16:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtaout-mab01.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mab01.mx.aol.com [172.26.249.81]) by omr-m001e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 22D4438000B4; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 19:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iMac.fios-router.home (pool-173-48-69-73.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.69.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mab01.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id A00CC38000088; Thu, 12 Oct 2017 19:10:27 -0400 (EDT) To: keyur@arrcus.com, sidrops@ietf.org From: Stephen Kent Message-ID: <464aefa7-5f26-ea5a-e09f-0eca730c9797@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 19:10:27 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------356F208EDF8DBDCE13155548" Content-Language: en-US x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1af95159dff663024a X-AOL-IP: 173.48.69.73 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:26:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for draft-madi-sidrops-rp-adoption X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 23:10:30 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------356F208EDF8DBDCE13155548 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I support adoption of this document. I think it's a useful (Informational) doc for RP software developers to get a sense of the wide range of relevant RFCs that need to be studied. So long as the doc is periodically refreshed, to reflect new RP requirements, I think it will be useful. If it becomes seriously outdated, it cab  be made historic. Steve --------------356F208EDF8DBDCE13155548 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I support adoption of this document. I think it's a useful (Informational) doc for RP software developers to get a sense of the wide range of relevant RFCs that need to be studied. So long as the doc is periodically refreshed, to reflect new RP requirements, I think it will be useful. If it becomes seriously outdated, it cab  be made historic.

Steve

--------------356F208EDF8DBDCE13155548-- From nobody Fri Oct 13 00:52:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E21126B7E for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 00:52:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c6wv2AUxDFxa for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 00:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.mu.afrinic.net (smtp.afrinic.net [IPv6:2001:43f8:90:606::169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E83181320B5 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 00:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [197.224.45.191] (port=17519 helo=[172.23.2.25]) by smtp.mu.afrinic.net with esmtpsa (UNKNOWN:AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1e2um1-0007cp-AW for sidrops@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 07:52:49 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Daniel Shaw In-Reply-To: X-Pgp-Fingerprint: F49E C21E C756 BAB4 111A A824 1054 DE1B 27FB F3D4 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:52:51 +0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <04E6324D-5FEA-4F58-AD3E-95C79EA781D4@afrinic.net> References: <92CECB00-7846-406B-A296-3CB12D0ED627@arrcus.com> To: "sidrops@ietf.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for draft-tbruijnzeels-sidrops-signed-tal-01 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 07:52:57 -0000 >>=20 >> The authors have requested SIDROPS working group adoption call of >> draft-tbruijnzeels-sidrops-signed-tal-01, =E2=80=9CRPKI signed object = for TAL=E2=80=9D. >> Please send your comments to the list. >>=20 I support the WG taking on this work. - Daniel From nobody Fri Oct 13 01:38:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C1E132F3F for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 01:38:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j68OnyoJaJkI for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 01:38:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out20-61.mail.aliyun.com (out20-61.mail.aliyun.com [115.124.20.61]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 256E2132331 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 01:38:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Alimail-AntiSpam: AC=CONTINUE; BC=0.4817754|-1; FP=0|0|0|0|0|-1|-1|-1; HT=e02c03301; MF=madi@rpstir.net; NM=1; PH=DS; RN=2; RT=2; SR=0; TI=SMTPD_---.97Qg1-7_1507883907; Received: from 192.168.218.249(mailfrom:madi@rpstir.net ip:124.17.24.252) by smtp.aliyun-inc.com(10.147.41.158); Fri, 13 Oct 2017 16:38:28 +0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Di Ma In-Reply-To: <92CECB00-7846-406B-A296-3CB12D0ED627@arrcus.com> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 16:38:27 +0800 Cc: "sidrops@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <52E7A421-8B01-48D0-BC6D-8909CBA34F35@rpstir.net> References: <92CECB00-7846-406B-A296-3CB12D0ED627@arrcus.com> To: Keyur Patel X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for draft-tbruijnzeels-sidrops-signed-tal-01 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 08:38:36 -0000 I support adoption of this document and will take part in discussions on = it. Di > =D4=DA 2017=C4=EA10=D4=C211=C8=D5=A3=AC01:19=A3=ACKeyur Patel = =D0=B4=B5=C0=A3=BA >=20 > Hi Folks, > =20 > The authors have requested SIDROPS working group adoption call of = draft-tbruijnzeels-sidrops-signed-tal-01, =A1=B0RPKI signed object for = TAL=A1=B1. Please send your comments to the list. > =20 > This adoption call will conclude on Oct 25 2017. > =20 > Regards, > Chris & Keyur > =20 > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Fri Oct 13 11:35:47 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E880E133187 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:35:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q6WU7oJ8Shep for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2E0C132F8F for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e34o7-0002GK-J1; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 18:35:39 +0000 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 11:35:38 -0700 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Andrew Newton Cc: Keyur Patel , "sidrops@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: References: <92CECB00-7846-406B-A296-3CB12D0ED627@arrcus.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/25.2 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for draft-tbruijnzeels-sidrops-signed-tal-01 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 18:35:46 -0000 > I think planned TA keyrolls are an appropriate work item for this > group, therefore I support adoption. i like this phrasing randy From nobody Fri Oct 13 12:41:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553CD132396 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 12:41:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=yahoo.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ULrP8hYIuGaB for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 12:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sonic303-37.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (sonic303-37.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.64.218]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62198126BF0 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 12:41:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1507923678; bh=gNKlXXdVnZtgTjOWIGtow2gsDiEFQudWewvGmmRmWKk=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=Lkt89HnKCrABCtwlzFF9NXt38zqco1PLmP9Gdi72ZAtOejSp9mVDYUkrR9JVwx9NFBqO6NzYFjSXGTd5GRdauhqFEDzxojS5elI0eIIFUWtWPMLjSS1gMAnzgN0u9jjfB8IDhsfRDtVZM1LyCisACZQOHdKvtjItODfKYRv70Gzwhi0n2uMV41MI6dUKlMO+7Puh+Hrbf/pWJldLJqQ7w0YmgLuHai4FyooKTDWh3UZRbeaDprmh6vYXC8zLJJh/2eCUsVTRlQojB/HGdQkFb0JX2ptBEGKU/Cd8hQf/uLUXF02mHZlxB6F5T4ZBRUQTjth7FydCu7qvsgifDHFmWg== X-YMail-OSG: VdJMOPUVM1lpy7mm_68kSlD.9G9TDGeXHODXa1ZNdkXkFU.I_U8xrWY48yUpmb6 vue58M5LUXgq5gZeVUDNHkGs4uFGVkFiWxM8cTPd.4TLxJZ.lPf2taEDEyilB8vStD3kZGl602Gw OqfcIGYhxIldmvbrHfs3klz.B5Fj6y0g6yX4luB589GtUCvbXIQ29IV.Ya8c_Wd7yKK6h7CCZrSY d7vclt_VUNr.vJC.Ei4i__iDf_aoNk5MXUM5OiHo0Wj2zPDqUD1cY0SaJ7e7LmLQHa_LDDK05ekd 7kZtmAmDjCLmxfz63FzrrWELd0dwdRjN45wkKWBsdP0U35cScu_fdgtKpnivEPS3vEzzuj_e5C_H hHI7gwxcAbBJxzEmdoQytJbKJ7G9tIfnYdTM7b5bWgyhmJ_8GOStvcUmiJKg8oEFNAS.fZiGtVjS AXe1KU9Si3.NPgROB2qSp07oEoWX6onFMsw8UXfLRe8ee8XRgeAAnFzGqT_E0OiND1DL5lg-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic303.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 19:41:18 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp115.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2017 19:41:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 224344.47161.bm@smtp115.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: VdJMOPUVM1lpy7mm_68kSlD.9G9TDGeXHODXa1ZNdkXkFU. I_U8xrWY48yUpmb6vue58M5LUXgq5gZeVUDNHkGs4uFGVkFiWxM8cTPd.4TL xJZ.lPf2taEDEyilB8vStD3kZGl602GwOqfcIGYhxIldmvbrHfs3klz.B5Fj 6y0g6yX4luB589GtUCvbXIQ29IV.Ya8c_Wd7yKK6h7CCZrSYd7vclt_VUNr. vJC.Ei4i__iDf_aoNk5MXUM5OiHo0Wj2zPDqUD1cY0SaJ7e7LmLQHa_LDDK0 5ekd7kZtmAmDjCLmxfz63FzrrWELd0dwdRjN45wkKWBsdP0U35cScu_fdgtK pnivEPS3vEzzuj_e5C_HhHI7gwxcAbBJxzEmdoQytJbKJ7G9tIfnYdTM7b5b WgyhmJ_8GOStvcUmiJKg8oEFNAS.fZiGtVjSAXe1KU9Si3.NPgROB2qSp07o EoWX6onFMsw8UXfLRe8ee8XRgeAAnFzGqT_E0OiND1DL5lg-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 4kJJK.qswBDPuwyc5wW.BPAQqNXdy5j09UNyeAS0pyOQ708- Received: from [192.168.1.152] (DD-WRT [192.168.1.1]) by uriel.mandelberg.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 37AEE1C609F for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 15:41:16 -0400 (EDT) To: sidrops@ietf.org References: From: David Mandelberg Message-ID: <51e56654-8395-0d7a-4b6a-b43467f97645@mandelberg.org> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 15:41:13 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for draft-madi-sidrops-rp-adoption X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 19:41:20 -0000 As a former RP implementer, I think this document could be very useful to anybody who wants to implement RP software in the future. Like Tim B, I did eventually get to the point where I had most of the overview memorized and knew where to look for everything I needed, but it took a while. And as I understand it, there have been even more requirements added since then. I think this document will make it significantly easier for a software developer to start working on (new or existing) RP software. -- Freelance cyber security consultant, software developer, and more https://david.mandelberg.org/ From nobody Fri Oct 13 13:12:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4DF0132D49 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 13:12:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cC4xGlJTK4YL for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 13:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x234.google.com (mail-it0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 53A1D132620 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 13:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x234.google.com with SMTP id n195so19303843itg.1 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 13:12:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=lFx97UphTIZzayRICAloBq3N1H1Vz7qYaoLOwuhuCwk=; b=gz0XdMmVvmursyyV7wmzPYp2pWyd3N4T29jg5htbodAdTc+Qhd6Y4a/w13+q0kNGv2 Vi8XWRLUD0Y2ksV3CEE5jzTwuFoCv5uE6JNQr0qBp7e0IqZXCLZDGEflsBFbzA0IE3f1 cngB9vRPw09uZmN8qEEcaekWPj2WtZuGzJPh7HQYI9c5CZ9JLwPbZKgC5bd3iWy2G6LA VYgjF6daoTOl5g/Q2OOGDOd5l//ad3RnYNjNTtl3/MQpIEitlYvyFi+M4xapJp0SmVjl 8EIUWpkjoVlfm58M1m2GynLXFyYjuRLUv/NZmOJmzkkjsopMcelnToCwIGiprabcu+lv cwbg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=lFx97UphTIZzayRICAloBq3N1H1Vz7qYaoLOwuhuCwk=; b=q+AcJomE/rAxs/Tu/DPXj45olHdIy41Ke6xKXqv1xzvrAijcdpbanzp7tDg5G3uQJA B9LIJlpeEAEd//ND0E4xPY5Qq8DpSYWP14VaPBkMApo03EWiVMQ4iHtCP8oFyDrCXrpc cbRnMDsNyRAQaSHkKYPXiq6/Ayos3dDWipR4RROqBlVUVK8j1znsI2h6OWHQ3r3kjUJT LZuTB5HNyRq7NZy4KgkeMfoT+b5GX8heAwuInKp26pEryPrSQ+zwD2ImYv3eQpYg9Oiy WLsC1KHQbhO4Xdo5rw166cFsEkEN62OAz8+bow8N/o+MVEtfDoPCdscmW1/99KTOOaI3 xleA== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaWTdEvaJR+7wm+WaY6qy8WUFVItnbobfi+tNEqs4A0QsxbmsOE8 NnZgBgZouQMZUl3GN28NqDRXdBEF9GfKN0ZvnLw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+SGeqkFQQpc5wD8mJ48WCAryhcUQ4thvVxz3TESE6d06V+O+/GMtw4OLTkorKiTj2LFbfe37sYfBQbo2ou8k1U= X-Received: by 10.36.139.130 with SMTP id g124mr4080948ite.100.1507925549500; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 13:12:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.79.6.207 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2017 13:11:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <92CECB00-7846-406B-A296-3CB12D0ED627@arrcus.com> References: <92CECB00-7846-406B-A296-3CB12D0ED627@arrcus.com> From: Amreesh Phokeer Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 22:11:48 +0200 Message-ID: To: Keyur Patel Cc: "sidrops@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c04ac90b9cfa8055b73466f" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for draft-tbruijnzeels-sidrops-signed-tal-01 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 20:12:32 -0000 --94eb2c04ac90b9cfa8055b73466f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > The authors have requested SIDROPS working group adoption call of > draft-tbruijnzeels-sidrops-signed-tal-01, =E2=80=9CRPKI signed object for= TAL=E2=80=9D. > Please send your comments to the list. > Agree that this will be very useful and I support adoption. --94eb2c04ac90b9cfa8055b73466f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--94eb2c04ac90b9cfa8055b73466f-- From nobody Mon Oct 16 09:25:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietf.org Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC83126B6E; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 09:25:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: sidrops@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150817110373.32743.668377400949966041@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 09:25:03 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-lta-use-cases-02.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:25:04 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the SIDR Operations WG of the IETF. Title : Use Cases for Localized Versions of the RPKI Author : Randy Bush Filename : draft-ietf-sidrops-lta-use-cases-02.txt Pages : 5 Date : 2017-10-16 Abstract: There are a number of critical circumstances where a localized routing domain needs to augment or modify its view of the Global RPKI. This document attempts to outline a few of them. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidrops-lta-use-cases/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-lta-use-cases-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-lta-use-cases-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sidrops-lta-use-cases-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Oct 16 23:31:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F42126DFE for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 23:31:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id plPURa7_c1Lc for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 23:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cnnic.cn (smtp13.cnnic.cn [218.241.118.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74136126B6D for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 23:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LIUXD (unknown [218.241.103.3]) by ocmail02.zx.nicx.cn (Coremail) with SMTP id AQAAf0DJ0Ny9o+VZfM8TAA--.63750S3; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 14:31:25 +0800 (CST) From: "Yu Fu" To: "'Keyur Patel'" Cc: References: <92CECB00-7846-406B-A296-3CB12D0ED627@arrcus.com> In-Reply-To: <92CECB00-7846-406B-A296-3CB12D0ED627@arrcus.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 14:31:22 +0800 Message-ID: <003b01d34711$8d46cd40$a7d467c0$@cn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01D34754.9B6A0D40" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-Language: zh-cn Thread-Index: AQHTQevxynUYU6QeE0K1SszVHIYVgKLnngjg X-CM-TRANSID: AQAAf0DJ0Ny9o+VZfM8TAA--.63750S3 X-Coremail-Antispam: 1UD129KBjDUn29KB7ZKAUJUUUUU529EdanIXcx71UUUUU7v73 VFW2AGmfu7bjvjm3AaLaJ3UjIYCTnIWjp_UUUYC7k0a2IF6F4UM7kC6x804xWl14x267AK xVWUJVW8JwAFc2x0x2IEx4CE42xK8VAvwI8IcIk0rVWrJVCq3wAFIxvE14AKwVWUJVWUGw A2ocxC64kIII0Yj41l84x0c7CEw4AK67xGY2AK021l84ACjcxK6xIIjxv20xvE14v26r4j 6ryUM28EF7xvwVC0I7IYx2IY6xkF7I0E14v26r4j6F4UM28EF7xvwVC2z280aVAFwI0_Gc CE3s1l84ACjcxK6I8E87Iv6xkF7I0E14v26rxl6s0DM2AIxVAIcxkEcVAq07x20xvEncxI r21l5I8CrVAYj202j2C_Xr0_Wr1l5I8CrVAqjxCE14ACF2xKxwAqx4xG64kEw2xG04xIwI 0_Jr0_Gr1l5I8CrVCF0I0E4I0vr24lYx0E2Ix0cI8IcVAFwI0_Jr0_Jr4lYx0Ex4A2jsIE 14v26r1j6r4UMcvjeVCFs4IE7xkEbVWUJVW8JwACjcxG0xvY0x0EwIxGrwCY02Avz4vE14 v_GF1l42xK82IYc2Ij64vIr41l4I8I3I0E4IkC6x0Yz7v_Jr0_Gr1lx2IqxVAqx4xG67AK xVWUGVWUWwC20s026x8GjcxK67AKxVWUGVWUWwC2zVAF1VAY17CE14v26r1Y6r17MIIYrx kI7VAKI48JMIIF0xvE2Ix0cI8IcVAFwI0_Jr0_JF4lIxAIcVC0I7IYx2IY6xkF7I0E14v2 6r1j6r4UMIIF0xvE42xK8VAvwI8IcIk0rVWrJr0_WFyUJwCI42IY6I8E87Iv67AKxVWUJV W8JwCI42IY6I8E87Iv6xkF7I0E14v26r1j6r4UYxBIdaVFxhVjvjDU0xZFpf9x07joq2_U UUUU= X-CM-SenderInfo: pix13q5fqqxugofq/ Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for draft-tbruijnzeels-sidrops-signed-tal-01 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 06:31:39 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01D34754.9B6A0D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, =20 I support the WG adoption as I think it is a meaningful work. =20 Cheers Yu =20 =20 From: sidrops-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sidrops-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Keyur Patel Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:20 AM To: sidrops@ietf.org Subject: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for = draft-tbruijnzeels-sidrops-signed-tal-01 =20 Hi Folks, =20 The authors have requested SIDROPS working group adoption call of = draft-tbruijnzeels-sidrops-signed-tal-01, =E2=80=9CRPKI signed object = for TAL=E2=80=9D. Please send your comments to the list. =20 This adoption call will conclude on Oct 25 2017. =20 Regards, Chris & Keyur =20 ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01D34754.9B6A0D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

 

I support the WG adoption as I = think it is a meaningful work.

 

Cheers

Yu

 

 

From:= = sidrops-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sidrops-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = Of Keyur Patel
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:20 = AM
To: sidrops@ietf.org
Subject: [Sidrops] WG = Adoption call for = draft-tbruijnzeels-sidrops-signed-tal-01

 

Hi = Folks,

 

The = authors have requested SIDROPS working group adoption call of = draft-tbruijnzeels-sidrops-signed-tal-01, =E2=80=9CRPKI signed object = for TAL=E2=80=9D. Please send your comments to the = list.

 

This = adoption call will conclude on Oct 25 2017.

 

Regards,

Chris = & Keyur

 

------=_NextPart_000_003C_01D34754.9B6A0D40-- From nobody Tue Oct 17 04:11:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF30E1320D9 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 04:11:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id elCWDAXK1EFr for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 04:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trstech.net (afribone.trstech.net [196.200.57.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F07C112421A for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 04:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [197.148.122.70] (helo=[192.168.3.27]) by trstech.net with esmtpsa (UNKNOWN:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1e4Pfy-0004d8-OX for sidrops@ietf.org; Tue, 17 Oct 2017 11:04:50 +0000 From: ALAIN AINA Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E20858F1-B001-4A62-81AC-7B0D44CA1297" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 11:11:34 +0000 References: <92CECB00-7846-406B-A296-3CB12D0ED627@arrcus.com> To: sidrops@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <47C6DE15-2C6C-47EB-82F4-E934AB3EFC9E@trstech.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 197.148.122.70 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: aalain@trstech.net X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Fri, 28 Sep 2012 15:58:25 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on trstech.net) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for draft-tbruijnzeels-sidrops-signed-tal-01 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 11:11:53 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_E20858F1-B001-4A62-81AC-7B0D44CA1297 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On 13 Oct 2017, at 20:11, Amreesh Phokeer = wrote: >=20 > The authors have requested SIDROPS working group adoption call of = draft-tbruijnzeels-sidrops-signed-tal-01, =E2=80=9CRPKI signed object = for TAL=E2=80=9D. Please send your comments to the list. >=20 >=20 > Agree that this will be very useful and I support adoption. I also support adoption. Looking forward to the discussion. =E2=80=94Alain > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops --Apple-Mail=_E20858F1-B001-4A62-81AC-7B0D44CA1297 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On 13 Oct 2017, at 20:11, Amreesh Phokeer <amreesh.phokeer@gmail.com> wrote:

The = authors have requested SIDROPS working group adoption call of = draft-tbruijnzeels-sidrops-signed-tal-01, =E2=80=9CRPKI = signed object for TAL=E2=80=9D. Please send your comments to the = list.


Agree that this will be very useful and = I support adoption.


I also support adoption. = Looking forward to the discussion.

=E2=80=94Alain

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This draft looks good to me. I th= ink this work is going to help RP developer to know the requirements bette= r. If this is= part of WG direction, will support to be adopted as WG document.
 
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Regards,
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Linlin Zhou
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Date: 2017-10-11 01:05
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Subject: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for draft-madi-sidrops-rp-ad= option
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Hi Folks,

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The authors have requested SIDR= OPS working group adoption call of draft-madi-sidrops-rp-adoption, =E2=80= =9CRequirements for Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI) Relying Part= ies=E2=80=9D. Please send your comments to=0A the list.<= /span>

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This adoption call will conclude on Oct 25 2017.

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Regards,

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Chris & Keyur

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charset=utf-8 I've read the draft several times. I support adoption. Thanks, --John > On Oct 4, 2017, at 7:57 PM, Keyur Patel wrote: >=20 > Hi Folks, > =20 > The authors have requested SIDROPS working group adoption call of = draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-clarify-01, =E2=80=9COrigin Validation = Clarifications=E2=80=9D. Please send your comments to the list. > =20 > This adoption call will conclude on Oct 19 2017. > =20 > Regards, > Keyur --Apple-Mail=_D9511198-F270-4952-AF7D-F8DC9159692C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I've read the draft several times. I support adoption.

Thanks,

--John

On Oct 4, 2017, at 7:57 PM, Keyur Patel <keyur@arrcus.com> = wrote:

Hi Folks,
 
The authors have requested SIDROPS = working group adoption call of draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-clarify-01, = =E2=80=9COrigin Validation Clarifications=E2=80=9D. Please send your = comments to the list.
 
This adoption call will conclude = on Oct 19 2017.
 
Regards,
Keyur
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Thanks. =09=09=09Jay B. Keyur Patel writes: > Hi Folks, >=20 > The authors have requested SIDROPS working group adoption call of dr= aft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-clarify-01, =E2=80=9COrigin Validation Clarificatio= ns=E2=80=9D. Please send your comments to the list. >=20 > This adoption call will conclude on Oct 19 2017. >=20 > Regards, > Keyur > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Thu Oct 19 12:21:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E481321C7 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 12:21:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lt2v6Rf9Jjmp for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 12:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from adrilankha.hactrn.net (adrilankha.hactrn.net [147.28.0.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A0A413207A for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 12:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from minas-ithil.hactrn.net (c-73-47-197-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [73.47.197.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "nargothrond.hactrn.net", Issuer "Grunchweather Associates" (verified OK)) by adrilankha.hactrn.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15A185C9A; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 19:21:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from minas-ithil.hactrn.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minas-ithil.hactrn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5308DC669BF; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 15:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 15:21:19 -0400 From: Rob Austein To: Keyur Patel Cc: "sidrops@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <92CECB00-7846-406B-A296-3CB12D0ED627@arrcus.com> References: <92CECB00-7846-406B-A296-3CB12D0ED627@arrcus.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/25.3 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20171019192119.5308DC669BF@minas-ithil.hactrn.net> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for draft-tbruijnzeels-sidrops-signed-tal-01 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 19:21:31 -0000 We can discuss whether the mechanism as described is precisely right, what we can steal\\\\\learn from RFC 5011, et cetera, but I'm pretty sure we need something in this space. Support adoption. 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Martinez" To: "Rob Austein" Cc: "Keyur Patel" , "sidrops@ietf.org" Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 16:57:09 -0300 Message-ID: <4BB6259E-F7C3-43BE-AC96-A77419445D30@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20171019190942.2E64AC668F3@minas-ithil.hactrn.net> References: <429EC453-8E4C-4E48-9CCA-EDB83A72E409@arrcus.com> <20171019190942.2E64AC668F3@minas-ithil.hactrn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.9.7r5425) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-clarify (10/4 to 10/19) X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 19:57:17 -0000 Same. Read it, support adoption. On 19 Oct 2017, at 16:09, Rob Austein wrote: > Read it, support adoption. > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Thu Oct 19 16:55:47 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71ACC1320DC for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 16:55:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fsaW2ba9Jl08 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 16:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vk0-x236.google.com (mail-vk0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C2D4126B7E for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 16:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vk0-x236.google.com with SMTP id b7so2593058vkh.12 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 16:55:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Ih2La7gtYcDxoTWuMvnf8RZLM/ugdleU+HoyS8vHvgk=; b=bkCJ8WsdSQGeFGa4BGjvTsgYGiTwZAvasOOxvauyFDatHapOJ+Gk7132wZBBsY8hAR wPCiC3t1lY3uXVKFjOO1k4MePWK/0p47nygEPCuQqjYKsvG3Bqvd35bxLZBURJ2urm8k ymwfDDhX9bBJG6ejR3e/672bXnmi0WmTtjjoZh75t4kX+oyVBKSR9J7oQ995XrAQHcvR k0u8CS+crCemyckTIyJ6VuvpwfcswnqdthiaEwipm8xaqwL3VXNQyUNjBHMi3s/2LX6G IbK6B59dVzs26ja844F8IbmhgJ3lgbYZpzxTblsePfN9kn8Qnb6tY691KBXVP9SGOy5o 3H2g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Ih2La7gtYcDxoTWuMvnf8RZLM/ugdleU+HoyS8vHvgk=; b=lJDK9DeXTkMQJzoSumHBYfeHahMgOXyybK1pFOKhl1+PmqagUmdLMN1UcrGA7eIlUr 0DoHq63kF5K5sD5KOGkk771XSLGLahmUlacWZCDcDy4sTkfUkQiVZueaVss8nf+34Ae3 o2w3b6H7Olux1/0bwi1+1DGncHPrfZXDmmcBXgAgModvnuRUwsS1li6suG4cELL+YWQS NTs3VOLxHQYgnO3/PMawmYUiQtjTIyoh7ytr7XQW2605/0l/7t5KzLekQrViYi9zNtMt b1wWFzMB62JXCD+Y4y++MoeikWzIzEsn3HSXDA8S6t3UWX8UBuLLneo5t8EVIaaP97fg 6BtA== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaXrkjOUduPiMTrgys+mEu6rUSkGdfjDN2lz1WoVwk+W96TyfywB P58xKL8PJtjJAY9AqTU3XFjegxallprPLM8Wq8EFvw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+ROzcBNGVyGBgKttToigNCDrdslRcT9oijelRnG5r2AuqcUs8OVWoECvsg1ESQSqHKTVIkg4R0h2+Y95+3xngc= X-Received: by 10.31.135.17 with SMTP id j17mr2218661vkd.34.1508457342178; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 16:55:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.91.93 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 16:55:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [2001:dc0:2001:210:3cd4:f04a:2d0b:967c] In-Reply-To: <4BB6259E-F7C3-43BE-AC96-A77419445D30@gmail.com> References: <429EC453-8E4C-4E48-9CCA-EDB83A72E409@arrcus.com> <20171019190942.2E64AC668F3@minas-ithil.hactrn.net> <4BB6259E-F7C3-43BE-AC96-A77419445D30@gmail.com> From: George Michaelson Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 09:55:41 +1000 Message-ID: To: Keyur Patel Cc: "sidrops@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-clarify (10/4 to 10/19) X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 23:55:45 -0000 I have read the draft and clarified some readings with the Author. I think its sensible to make this stuff clear and its a short, direct recommendation on two points: when to apply marking, and when to apply decision-logic. I had a minor kerfuffle around one paragraph, because of the repeated use of "their".. "they" discussing two parties (a local operator, and a neighbour) and the use of the posessive. I was confused about the specificity over who "they" is in each instance. I think that can be easily settled. and re-reading its not actually that unclear. Maybe this? (new words in [...]) 3. Mark ALL Prefixes An operator should not have to hear from their neighbor that they announced an Invalid route [to that neighbor]. Their [own] routers should tell them before announcing the Invalid route to a neighbor. For this reason, I support adoption. -G On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 5:57 AM, Carlos M. Martinez wrote: > Same. Read it, support adoption. > > On 19 Oct 2017, at 16:09, Rob Austein wrote: > >> Read it, support adoption. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sidrops mailing list >> Sidrops@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Thu Oct 19 19:38:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B02132EA7 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 19:38:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QdDA9dYJkVIz for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 19:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4280F132153 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2017 19:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e5NCA-0001AW-O5; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 02:37:58 +0000 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 19:37:58 -0700 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: George Michaelson Cc: Keyur Patel , "sidrops@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: References: <429EC453-8E4C-4E48-9CCA-EDB83A72E409@arrcus.com> <20171019190942.2E64AC668F3@minas-ithil.hactrn.net> <4BB6259E-F7C3-43BE-AC96-A77419445D30@gmail.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/25.2 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-clarify (10/4 to 10/19) X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 02:38:03 -0000 > I had a minor kerfuffle around one paragraph, because of the repeated > use of "their".. "they" discussing two parties (a local operator, and > a neighbour) and the use of the posessive. I was confused about the > specificity over who "they" is in each instance. I think that can be > easily settled. and re-reading its not actually that unclear. Maybe > this? (new words in [...]) > > 3. Mark ALL Prefixes > > An operator should not have to hear from their neighbor that they > announced an Invalid route [to that neighbor]. Their [own] routers > should tell them before announcing the Invalid route to a neighbor. > For this reason, ack. will hold for other revs thanks! randy From nobody Fri Oct 20 01:59:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E951320BD for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 01:59:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.801 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gt23XyVeMhEN for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 01:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cnnic.cn (smtp13.cnnic.cn [218.241.118.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 515D6126B6D for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 01:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LIUXD (unknown [218.241.103.118]) by ocmail02.zx.nicx.cn (Coremail) with SMTP id AQAAf0BZYOjZuulZigEVAA--.39868S3; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 16:59:05 +0800 (CST) From: "Yu Fu" To: "'Keyur Patel'" Cc: References: <429EC453-8E4C-4E48-9CCA-EDB83A72E409@arrcus.com> In-Reply-To: <429EC453-8E4C-4E48-9CCA-EDB83A72E409@arrcus.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 16:59:02 +0800 Message-ID: <007b01d34981$ad05be80$07113b80$@cn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007C_01D349C4.BB28FE80" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-Language: zh-cn Thread-Index: AQHTPTHTAcCe1GjOJUG1Wk/zUiuO5qLsiHvw X-CM-TRANSID: AQAAf0BZYOjZuulZigEVAA--.39868S3 X-Coremail-Antispam: 1UD129KBjDUn29KB7ZKAUJUUUUU529EdanIXcx71UUUUU7v73 VFW2AGmfu7bjvjm3AaLaJ3UjIYCTnIWjp_UUUOY7k0a2IF6F4UM7kC6x804xWl14x267AK xVWUJVW8JwAFc2x0x2IEx4CE42xK8VAvwI8IcIk0rVWrJVCq3wAFIxvE14AKwVWUJVWUGw A2ocxC64kIII0Yj41l84x0c7CEw4AK67xGY2AK021l84ACjcxK6xIIjxv20xvE14v26ryj 6F1UM28EF7xvwVC0I7IYx2IY6xkF7I0E14v26F4j6r4UJwA2z4x0Y4vEx4A2jsIE14v26r xl6s0DM28EF7xvwVC2z280aVCY1x0267AKxVW0oVCq3wAS0I0E0xvYzxvE52x082IY62kv 0487Mc02F40Eb7x2x7xS6ryj6rWUMc02F40E57IF67AEF4xIwI1l5I8CrVAKz4kIr2xC04 v26r1j6r4UMc02F40E42I26xC2a48xMcIj6xIIjxv20xvE14v26r1j6r18McIj6I8E87Iv 67AKxVWUJVW8JwAm72CE4IkC6x0Yz7v_Jr0_Gr1lF7xvr2IYc2Ij64vIr41l7480Y4vEI4 kI2Ix0rVAqx4xJMxkIecxEwVAFwVW8ZwCF04k20xvY0x0EwIxGrwCFx2IqxVCFs4IE7xkE bVWUJVW8JwC20s026c02F40E14v26r106r1rMI8I3I0E7480Y4vE14v26r106r1rMI8E67 AF67kF1VAFwI0_Jrv_JF1lIxkGc2Ij64vIr41lIxAIcVC0I7IYx2IY67AKxVWUJVWUCwCI 42IY6xIIjxv20xvEc7CjxVAFwI0_Jr0_Gr1lIxAIcVCF04k26cxKx2IYs7xG6rWUJVWrZr 1UMIIF0xvEx4A2jsIE14v26r1j6r4UMIIF0xvEx4A2jsIEc7CjxVAFwI0_Jr0_GrUvcSsG vfC2KfnxnUUI43ZEXa7IU89FxUUUUUU== X-CM-SenderInfo: pix13q5fqqxugofq/ Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-clarify (10/4 to 10/19) X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 08:59:18 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007C_01D349C4.BB28FE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, =20 I have read this draft. It is a useful work. =20 I support the adoption. =20 Cheers Yu =20 From: sidrops-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sidrops-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Keyur Patel Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 12:57 AM To: sidrops@ietf.org Subject: [Sidrops] WG Adoption call for draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-clarify = (10/4 to 10/19) =20 Hi Folks, =20 The authors have requested SIDROPS working group adoption call of = draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-clarify-01, =E2=80=9COrigin Validation = Clarifications=E2=80=9D. Please send your comments to the list. =20 This adoption call will conclude on Oct 19 2017. =20 Regards, Keyur ------=_NextPart_000_007C_01D349C4.BB28FE80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

 

I have read this draft. It is = =C2=A0a useful work.

 

I support the = adoption.

 

Cheers

Yu

 

From:= = sidrops-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sidrops-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = Of Keyur Patel
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2017 12:57 = AM
To: sidrops@ietf.org
Subject: [Sidrops] WG = Adoption call for draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-clarify (10/4 to = 10/19)

 

Hi = Folks,

 

The = authors have requested SIDROPS working group adoption call of = draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-clarify-01, =E2=80=9COrigin Validation = Clarifications=E2=80=9D. Please send your comments to the = list.

 

This = adoption call will conclude on Oct 19 2017.

 

Regards,

Keyur

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Please send along a re-named -00 draft so we can chat about it in person in ~3.5weeks. -chris On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Tim Bruijnzeels wrote: > Support adoption - seems like a good thing to clarify in sidrops. > > > On 4 Oct 2017, at 18:57, Keyur Patel wrote: > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > The authors have requested SIDROPS working group adoption call of > draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-clarify-01, =E2=80=9COrigin Validation Clarificatio= ns=E2=80=9D. > Please send your comments to the list. > > > > This adoption call will conclude on Oct 19 2017. > > > > Regards, > > Keyur > > _______________________________________________ > > Sidrops mailing list > > Sidrops@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > --089e0826a79cd99888055c037bd9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think there's enough chat and interest (and call for= adoption) to call this call called.

Please send along a= re-named -00 draft so we can chat about it in person in ~3.5weeks.

-chris

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Tim Bruijnzeels <tim@ripe.= net> wrote:
Support adoptio= n - seems like a good thing to clarify in sidrops.

> On 4 Oct 2017, at 18:57, Keyur Patel <keyur@arrcus.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> The authors have requested SIDROPS working group adoption call of draf= t-ymbk-sidrops-ov-clarify-01, =E2=80=9COrigin Validation Clarification= s=E2=80=9D. Please send your comments to the list.
>
> This adoption call will conclude on Oct 19 2017.
>
> Regards,
> Keyur
> __________________= _____________________________
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> Sidrops@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops=

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--089e0826a79cd99888055c037bd9-- From nobody Fri Oct 20 17:26:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietf.org Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 393681344B8; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 17:24:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: sidrops@ietf.org, warren@kumari.net X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150854545722.20809.11913907275559523013.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 17:24:17 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] sidrops - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 100 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 00:24:17 -0000 Dear Chris Morrow, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. sidrops Session 1 (1:30:00) Wednesday, Afternoon Session I 1330-1500 Room Name: Sophia size: 200 --------------------------------------------- Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: SIDR Operations Area Name: Operations and Management Area Session Requester: Chris Morrow Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 80 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: grow idr Second Priority: opsec opsarea Third Priority: opsawg People who must be present: Keyur Patel Alvaro Retana Chris Morrow Warren Kumari Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Fri Oct 20 18:06:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietf.org Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D531320DC; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 18:05:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: sidrops@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150854795443.20865.1975345398073804786@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 18:05:54 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-ov-clarify-00.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 01:05:54 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the SIDR Operations WG of the IETF. Title : Origin Validation Clarifications Author : Randy Bush Filename : draft-ietf-sidrops-ov-clarify-00.txt Pages : 4 Date : 2017-10-20 Abstract: Deployment of RPKI-based BGP origin validation is hampered by, among other things, vendor mis-implementations in two critical areas, which routes are validated and whether policy is applied when not specified by configuration. This document is meant to clarify possible misunderstandings causing those mis-implementations. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidrops-ov-clarify/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-ov-clarify-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-ov-clarify-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Oct 26 05:44:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A0A13F224 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 02:51:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.22 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.22 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q_q_BdAC7-9x for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 02:51:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client 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ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5BDD13F4FE; Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:22:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Min Ye To: Cc: sidrops@ietf.org, draft-ietf-sidrops-bgpsec-rollover.all@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150906732882.22135.16272849822768126219@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:22:08 -0700 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 07:11:41 -0700 Subject: [Sidrops] Rtgdir last call review of draft-ietf-sidrops-bgpsec-rollover-02 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 01:22:09 -0000 Reviewer: Daniele Ceccarelli Review result: Has Issues Resend as the mail is not archived by the list Hello, I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by updating the draft. Document: draft-ietf-sidrops-bgpsec-rollover-02 Reviewer: Daniele Ceccarelli Review Date: 25/10/2017 IETF LC End Date: On agenda of 2017-11-30 IESG telechat Intended Status: Standard Track Summary: I have some minor concerns about this document that I think should be resolved before publication. Comments: The draft is sometimes hard to read, mostly the abstract (which should be clear on the scope of the draft), what is being defined and above all the intended status. In some parts the draft seems to be a recommendation, in some others a standard track. Which one? Major Issues: - None Minor Issues and nits: - The abstract is a bit hard to read. E.g. the usage of "will also manage" might become obsolete sooner or later and this sentence "But the rollover of CA and EE certificates BGPsec router certificates have..." doesn't make much sense. - - Moreover the abstract says: "This document provides general recommendations for the rollover process". How can it be a standard track then? - Intro: "Additionally, the BGP speaker MUST refresh its outbound BGPsec Update messages to include a signature using the new key (replacing the old key)." I wouldn't expect a MUST in the intro. I understand this is something defined in other documents, hence should not be in capital letters and probably added a reference. - Section 3 ditto. "A BGPsec router certificate SHOULD be replaced when the following events occur" is this something new defined in this document? - Typo/Punctuation/wrong usage of capital letters: there is a number of them all over the document. Why OLD key is always used with old in capital letters? 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Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-bgpsec-rollover-03.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 20:20:45 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the SIDR Operations WG of the IETF. Title : BGPsec Router Certificate Rollover Authors : Brian Weis Roque Gagliano Keyur Patel Filename : draft-ietf-sidrops-bgpsec-rollover-03.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2017-10-27 Abstract: Certification Authorities (CAs) within the Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI) manage BGPsec router certificates as well as RPKI certificates. The rollover of BGPsec router certificates must be carefully performed in order to synchronize the distribution of router public keys with BGPsec Update messages verified with those router public keys. This document describes a safe rollover process, as well as discussing when and why the rollover of BGPsec router certificates are necessary. When this rollover process is followed the rollover will be performed without routing information being lost. 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