From nobody Mon Jun 5 00:39:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB06129B9A; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 00:39:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IzU6mvdlD1WL; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 00:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD938129B60; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 00:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (c213-89-111-155.bredband.comhem.se [213.89.111.155]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9125718013D1; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 09:39:11 +0200 (CEST) To: "mpls@ietf.org" Cc: "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" , "spring@ietf.org" From: Loa Andersson Message-ID: <14c7b495-b3ce-8f81-d7ef-7abc33424acb@pi.nu> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 09:39:08 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [spring] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Stacked Tunnels for Source Routing \(STATUS\)." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2017 07:39:14 -0000 Working Group, authors, We have started to prepare the the draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping for wglc, prior to the wglc we need to do an IPR poll. This mail starts this IPR poll. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). No IPR disclosures have been submitted directly on draft-ietf-mpls- spring-lsp-ping or the individual document it replaced. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS WG mailing list.* The document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and contributor. 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Since this document might be of interest for the SPRING wg, it has been copied to the SPRING wg mailing list. /Loa mpls wg co-chair -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Mon Jun 5 05:35:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DD251273E2; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 05:35:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.522 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gbV7hJDXa_gs; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 05:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-3.cisco.com (alln-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.142.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13640127058; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 05:35:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2304; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1496666149; x=1497875749; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=wAaT/9SWn04qdzmK1ywBma9VSM6I6dppjsmBpLoaY/k=; b=hXLT9Ek2N/pmY8elfso3ZNpHQ7Vgw4bLilvcuc43SB+Mr7wHCJKV4qQ8 vKmnzRDP5kUzcgjZqFiNptG9BrL6IRhPcF9jo9J4eMXW3eNKt4HGvqF8c ZWMPTuVXxUS7NZCBDFaz2NGKPVhf0TgRMfCGBnI51jASeu9x54z5NktT1 s=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0DUAADRTzVZ/5JdJa1cGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBBwEBAQEBg1iBbweDbIoZkgGVfYIQhiQCGoJiPxgBAgEBAQEBAQFrKIUYAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQIBIxE3AwYFBQkCAgEIGAICJgICAhkXFRACBA4FiiIIrg+CJosLAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBHQWBBoVWgWArgnSEOxECARsXgnswgjEFnjMBkyyCBoU?= =?us-ascii?q?+ijiUXgEfOH8LdBVGEgGGc3aIaYENAQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.39,300,1493683200"; d="scan'208";a="435264235" Received: from rcdn-core-10.cisco.com ([173.37.93.146]) by alln-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 05 Jun 2017 12:35:35 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-016.cisco.com (xch-rtp-016.cisco.com [64.101.220.156]) by rcdn-core-10.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v55CZZdU031121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Jun 2017 12:35:35 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-020.cisco.com (64.101.220.160) by XCH-RTP-016.cisco.com (64.101.220.156) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 08:35:34 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-020.cisco.com ([64.101.220.160]) by XCH-RTP-020.cisco.com ([64.101.220.160]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Mon, 5 Jun 2017 08:35:34 -0400 From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" To: Loa Andersson CC: "mpls@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" , "spring@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping Thread-Index: AQHS3c7V1oBAUIrc2UCrrX3230BN/aIWd+QA Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 12:35:34 +0000 Message-ID: <7E6A6594-08FF-42E8-865E-13ACF52BDF9F@cisco.com> References: <14c7b495-b3ce-8f81-d7ef-7abc33424acb@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <14c7b495-b3ce-8f81-d7ef-7abc33424acb@pi.nu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.117.115.52] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: <53DB39B5E194604A9586BD51CC4F7745@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Stacked Tunnels for Source Routing \(STATUS\)." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 09:46:33 -0000 hi loa, i am not aware of any IPR around draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping. /hannes On 6/5/17 09:39, Loa Andersson wrote: > Working Group, authors, > > We have started to prepare the the draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping for > wglc, prior to the wglc we need to do an IPR poll. > > This mail starts this IPR poll. > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping? > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > No IPR disclosures have been submitted directly on draft-ietf-mpls- > spring-lsp-ping or the individual document it replaced. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS WG mailing list.* The > document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been > received from each author and contributor. > > If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > Since this document might be of interest for the SPRING wg, it has been > copied to the SPRING wg mailing list. > > /Loa > mpls wg co-chair From nobody Tue Jun 6 18:09:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55D0D129524; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 18:09:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JI2ZXJZbXxiZ; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 18:09:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A46F129503; Tue, 6 Jun 2017 18:09:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml707-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DOO23828; Wed, 07 Jun 2017 01:09:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DGGEML405-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.17.49) by lhreml707-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.48) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 02:09:06 +0100 Received: from DGGEML508-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.216]) by dggeml405-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.3.17.49]) with mapi id 14.03.0301.000; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 09:09:02 +0800 From: Mach Chen To: Loa Andersson , "mpls@ietf.org" CC: "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" , "spring@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping Thread-Index: AQHS3c7bFwSlOYkjXEOp1OdV7gsN0KIYmVsw Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 01:09:01 +0000 Message-ID: References: <14c7b495-b3ce-8f81-d7ef-7abc33424acb@pi.nu> In-Reply-To: <14c7b495-b3ce-8f81-d7ef-7abc33424acb@pi.nu> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.111.194.201] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020201.59375233.00E5, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.4.216, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 9ad45d452e731703cd6daf7a05f374a0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Stacked Tunnels for Source Routing \(STATUS\)." 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Thu, 8 Jun 2017 18:12:45 +0100 Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Cc: , , Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 18:12:44 +0100 Message-ID: <0faf01d2e07a$72046bd0$560d4370$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-gb Thread-Index: AdLgele/v5PbrueZT72LZpEyNayhtw== X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.1.0.1062-23120.000 X-TM-AS-Result: No--11.158-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--11.158-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: ezojVD7Bo79tcr/uuDMv3m7hbmASKcrpQPCWRE0Lo8LIvQIyugvKdVjt prj9/vncRTpdHYygurQZwn7DIQtGC+4dcT3ZaToc+L2GsArAgtofXzVgO0hVqjdnd59Af7CPcUP QjSOUQN03BbIcVNqAhWn/JXTQ1ZHVOg4q4lJPNt/TzWmGCXkX+dRmti/O6j0C30xSgZEFQrKn/M sI/iHGg9H4xMvq7+ANNkz7jSHm0hVNqX9o0l8HXYzb2GR6Ttd3XEjKf9fhKadz5c0A3BjWTGlF7 OhYLlcty7ua+27un4iwAS7xtqjorKX2s5Nec6ilH0JEjBcBuKKiX0I+Ea/UUBxUkJPe1WBqejdT 9nu61Qdq3b03EFzVDYtg4WcukjQ2/38J9QLgtkrIOn6NK8S1a7Q0n3DEfu2TzhY2/o0jwSTG1zZ qIziYsOqCRyazFwQBZ2XCWrJDsnbuctPaL5Jk/Ug5Iem1vm3Hf7rvXBvEkWm1FeFXyekgdNJfzV 9w5vXuSLZYGytM40CXlSuRSjjgAdEQrO9Lrj6hCFaAixm5eU9mEl4mTr2JjzC21gWX+JHJ510L0 3CA1Aqp500lE1xL01YKZ34+ZtO3lvnH+pxJKEqd4hCa7xSZodIv4RV84lHTNcOnkwRgDu+0P6hm Z6xHlIcW3rOHl1LmjSDuMB0SYVfHO8eAxCOj9s1GzI6JnJjKvhf/zJ92tsN94c+e7fWIcC1Kxih PE+JMRxfRxCqIXX/YDYPY26NdkpcLewwAa76fnVTWWiNp+v9BldmDYjwlprgqSDn2azAXWRsIx2 HZId/nzlXMYw4XMD3Al4zalJpFIAcCikR3vq+zjLApzS35tObz9UskOp44jtHMro81m7CKezwT6 4KloVBBlBA57Wum Archived-At: Subject: [spring] RtgDir Review draft-ietf-spring-ipv6-use-cases-10 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Stacked Tunnels for Source Routing \(STATUS\)." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 17:12:52 -0000 Hello,=20 I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. = The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related = drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and = sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide = assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing = Directorate, please see = =E2=80=8Bhttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir=20 Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it = would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF = Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through = discussion or by updating the draft.=20 Apologies that this review comes well after the end of IETF last call, = however, I have only recently received the request for review. Adrian =3D=3D=3D=3D Document: draft-ietf-spring-ipv6-use-cases-10.txt Reviewer: Adrian Farrel Review Date: 8th June 2017 IETF LC End Date: 4th May 2017 Intended Status: Informational Summary:=20 I have some minor concerns about this document that I think should be = resolved before publication.=20 Comments:=20 This document supplies primary use cases for SRv6 in a variety of = environments. While originally intended to help motivate the SR = architecture, this document now provides a set of use cases that explain = how the technology might be used. The document is easy to read and should be published as a helpful = explanation of how SRv6 could be used. =3D=3D=3D=3D Major Issues: None found. =3D=3D=3D=3D Minor Issues:=20 While I think this document is useful and should be published, the=20 motivation given in the Abstract suggests that the Architecture is dependent on this draft. That is clearly not the case (since that I-D has already progressed through IETF last call and only makes Informative reference to this document). That shouldn't be an issue of any=20 significance but probably some rewording is needed, such as... The Source Packet Routing in Networking (SPRING) architecture describes how Segment Routing can be used to steer packets through an IPv6 or MPLS network using the source routing paradigm. This document illustrates some use cases for Segment Routing in an=20 IPv6 environment. --- Terminology... The document mixes "SPRING" and "spring". I think it should always be upper case. But I also think that the balance between "SPRING" and "Segment Routing" may reflect the age of the document. That maybe doesn't need to be=20 fixed, but the document might align better with other documents if it was. Finally, there is some confusion about what a "segment" is. I think we previously had this conversation with regard to=20 draft-ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-sid and concluded that: A segment represents either a topological instruction such as "go to prefix P following shortest path" or a service instruction (e.g.: "pass through deep packet inspection"). A segment is identified through a Segment Identifier (SID). --- I fully believe in the value of running SR in an IPv6 network, but I think that some of the motivation provided in the Introduction is=20 dubious. The text reads... In addition there are cases where the operators could have made the design choice to disable IPv4, for ease of management and scale (return to single-stack) or due to an address constraint, for example because they do not possess enough IPv4 addresses resources to number all the endpoints and other network elements on which they desire to run MPLS. In such scenario the support for MPLS operations on an IPv6-only network would be required. However today's IPv6-only networks are not fully capable of supporting MPLS. This point does not motivate SRv6 since today's IPv6-only networks are = also not fully capable of supporting SRv6. =20 There is ongoing work in the MPLS Working Group, described in [RFC7439] to identify gaps that must be addressed in order to allow MPLS-related protocols and applications to be used with IPv6-only networks. RFC 7439 is now over two years old. Work on filling the gaps identified began when draft-mpls-ipv6-only-gap was first published in 2013. In the time since then a number of RFCs have been published to fill the gaps and implementations have been upgraded. This is an another example of scenario where a solution relying on IPv6 without requiring the use of MPLS could represent a valid option to solve the problem and meet operators' requirements. My conclusion is that this document is trying to oversell the use of=20 SR in an IPv6 network where no such sale needs to be made. The result is that it appears to disparage MPLS where it should be enough to say that a choice can be made, and then lay out the use cases where that choice is made and explain how the network works when the choice is made. I would suggest simply removing these paragraphs with the result of a stronger statement of use rather than an arguable statement of=20 motivation. --- Section 1 3. There is a need or desire to remove routing state from any node other than the source, such that the source is the only node that knows and will know the path a packet will take, a priori I think this is a little confused. Obviously, you still have routing state in the nodes within the network for everything other than=20 adjacency SIDs. I think that what you are removing from the network is path state (or control plane signaling state). How about... 3. There is a need or desire to remove as much state as possible=20 from the nodes in the network such that the source is the only node that knows the path a packet will take through the network. --- Section 1 I'm not really convinced by the fourth bullet. It's true that IP=20 addresses can be aggregated so that one advertisement can carry a prefix but this also applies to address advertisements that carry MPLS SIDs. I think you are probably making a point about how an end-to-end SID can be routed across a network without the need for a SID stack, but it is a bit hard to extract from the text. --- The start of Section 2 has the same issue as the Abstract. I suggest... OLD This section will describe some scenarios where MPLS may not be present and it will highlight the need for the spring architecture to take them into account. The use cases described in the section do not constitute an exhaustive list of all the possible scenarios; this section only includes some of the most common envisioned deployment models for IPv6 Segment Routing. In addition to the use cases described in this document the spring architecture should be able to be applied to all the use cases described in [RFC7855] for the spring MPLS data plane, when an IPv6 data plane is present. NEW This section describes some scenarios where segment routing is=20 applicable in an IPv6 environment. The use cases described in the section do not constitute an exhaustive list of all the possible scenarios: this section only includes some of the most common envisioned deployment models for IPv6 Segment Routing. In addition to the use cases described in this document the spring architecture could be able to be applied to all the use cases described in [RFC7855] for the spring MPLS data plane, when an IPv6 data plane is present. =3D=3D=3D=3D Nits:=20 You'll need to expand some abbreviations like QAM and DOCSIS.=20 You can check https://www.rfc-editor.org/materials/abbrev.expansion.txt --- Section 2.3 OLD In such scenario Segment Routing NEW In such scenarios, Segment Routing END --- OLD 2.4. SPRING in the Content Delivery Networks NEW 2.4. SPRING in Content Delivery Networks END --- OLD 2.5. SPRING in the Core networks NEW 2.5. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 05:52:08 -0000 --001a1147c4eea02cb60551809184 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Not aware of any IPR. Sri On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 12:39 AM, Loa Andersson wrote: > Working Group, authors, > > We have started to prepare the the draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping for > wglc, prior to the wglc we need to do an IPR poll. > > This mail starts this IPR poll. > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping? > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > No IPR disclosures have been submitted directly on draft-ietf-mpls- > spring-lsp-ping or the individual document it replaced. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS WG mailing list.* The > document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been > received from each author and contributor. > > If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > Since this document might be of interest for the SPRING wg, it has been > copied to the SPRING wg mailing list. > > /Loa > mpls wg co-chair > -- > > > Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com > Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu > Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > --001a1147c4eea02cb60551809184 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not aware of any IPR.

Sri

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017= at 12:39 AM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:
Working Group, authors,

We have started to prepare the the draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping for=
wglc, prior to the wglc we need to do an IPR poll.

This mail starts this IPR poll.

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to
draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping?

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

No IPR disclosures have been submitted directly on draft-ietf-mpls-
spring-lsp-ping or the individual document it replaced.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant
IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS WG mailing list.* The
document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

Since this document might be of interest for the SPRING wg, it has been
copied to the SPRING wg mailing list.

/Loa
mpls wg co-chair
--


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<14c7b495-b3ce-8f81-d7ef-7abc33424acb@pi.nu> From: Nobo Akiya Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 20:28:23 +0900 Message-ID: To: Loa Andersson Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@ietf.org" , "mpls-chairs@ietf.org" , "spring@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114178f6630c3a0551854466" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Stacked Tunnels for Source Routing \(STATUS\)." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 11:28:26 -0000 --001a114178f6630c3a0551854466 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Loa, I am not aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping. Regards, Nobo On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 4:39 PM, Loa Andersson wrote: > Working Group, authors, > > We have started to prepare the the draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping for > wglc, prior to the wglc we need to do an IPR poll. > > This mail starts this IPR poll. > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to > draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping? > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). > > No IPR disclosures have been submitted directly on draft-ietf-mpls- > spring-lsp-ping or the individual document it replaced. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to > this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant > IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS WG mailing list.* The > document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been > received from each author and contributor. > > If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any > IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. > > Since this document might be of interest for the SPRING wg, it has been > copied to the SPRING wg mailing list. > > /Loa > mpls wg co-chair > -- > > > Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com > Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu > Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 > --001a114178f6630c3a0551854466 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Loa,

I am not aware of any IPR that applies to=C2=A0draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping.

Regards,
Nobo

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017= at 4:39 PM, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu> wrote:
Working Group, authors,

We have started to prepare the the draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping for=
wglc, prior to the wglc we need to do an IPR poll.

This mail starts this IPR poll.

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to
draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping?

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

No IPR disclosures have been submitted directly on draft-ietf-mpls-
spring-lsp-ping or the individual document it replaced.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to
this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant
IPR. *The response needs to be sent to the MPLS WG mailing list.* The
document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been
received from each author and contributor.

If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or
contributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

Since this document might be of interest for the SPRING wg, it has been
copied to the SPRING wg mailing list.

/Loa
mpls wg co-chair
--


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Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" , OSPF WG List , "spring@ietf.org" , "isis-wg@ietf.org" CC: "draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] OSPFv2 Segment Routing Extensions ERO Extensions (would also effect OSPFv3 and IS-IS) - REPLY TO THIS ONE X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Stacked Tunnels for Source Routing \(STATUS\)." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 17:04:59 -0000 Acee, my question is whether we need the whole section 6 and the SID/Label Binding Sub-TLV that it specifies. In OSPF Binding SID is not used for SRMS advertisement like in ISIS. thanks, Peter On 09/06/17 16:45 , Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > Corrected IS-IS WG alias – Please reply to this one. > Thanks, > Acee > > From: Acee Lindem > > Date: Friday, June 9, 2017 at 10:42 AM > To: OSPF WG List >, > "spring@ietf.org " >, "isis@ietf.org " > > > Cc: "draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org > " > > > Subject: OSPFv2 Segment Routing Extensions ERO Extensions (would also > effect OSPFv3 and IS-IS) > > Hi OSPF, ISIS, and SPRING WGs, > > As part of the Alia’s AD review, she uncovered the fact that the ERO > extensions in 6.1 and 6.2 are specified as far as encoding but are > not specified as far as usage in any IGP or SPRING document. As > document shepherd, my proposal is that they simply be removed since > they were incorporated as part of a draft merge and it appears that > no one has implemented them (other than parsing). We could also > deprecate types (4-8) in the OSPFv2 Extended Prefix LSA Sub-TLV > registry to delay usage of these code points for some time (or > indefinitely ;^). > > Thanks, > Acee > From nobody Fri Jun 9 10:07:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2991270A3; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 10:07:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.522 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ku9taiy4xG7e; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 10:07:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-3.cisco.com (alln-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.142.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FC69127F0E; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 10:07:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2674; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1497028050; x=1498237650; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=ZPh8T230nIeQwAAPsB2N3021w/LWSzkgqDqCkDL0byU=; b=RrfVE30Z4K507XgtqcY7DYv4AUneDbs8Qudzljp+BUS9YwExQIPuVf5g 2P59HIVlbiecUDWpMn2jIIOt/yAZBIsrvZDqp+o8sQPk7F4Q2P+atDlh0 UDgmgLeIXNm5d737YSSPju8XLtGRSUMVx9cZoWXTu9nPhTFIVO+cbvhF/ 4=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0CzAQBO1DpZ/4gNJK1cGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBBwEBAQEBg1iBbweDbZwFlgOCEYYkAhqCZ0AXAQIBAQEBAQEBayiFGAEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?DIxFFEAIBCBEDAQIBAgIfBAMCAgIwFAEICAIEAQ0FiiuwZIImi2IBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEdgQuHNQGDIIRqFw+CbIJhAQSePAKTP4IGhUOFJ4UWlGk?= =?us-ascii?q?BIQI0gQp0FUiFDBwZgU12iDKBDQEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.39,317,1493683200"; d="scan'208";a="437526725" Received: from alln-core-3.cisco.com ([173.36.13.136]) by alln-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 09 Jun 2017 17:07:29 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-012.cisco.com (xch-rtp-012.cisco.com [64.101.220.152]) by alln-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v59H7SJH029247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Jun 2017 17:07:29 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-015.cisco.com (64.101.220.155) by XCH-RTP-012.cisco.com (64.101.220.152) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 13:07:28 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-015.cisco.com ([64.101.220.155]) by XCH-RTP-015.cisco.com ([64.101.220.155]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Fri, 9 Jun 2017 13:07:28 -0400 From: "Acee Lindem (acee)" To: "Peter Psenak (ppsenak)" , OSPF WG List , "spring@ietf.org" , "isis-wg@ietf.org" CC: "draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: OSPFv2 Segment Routing Extensions ERO Extensions (would also effect OSPFv3 and IS-IS) - REPLY TO THIS ONE Thread-Index: AQHS4S8Y37adDddm1EW7MKj9+rQk+aIdBbaA//+9pQA= Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 17:07:28 +0000 Message-ID: References: <593AD535.2060905@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <593AD535.2060905@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.116.152.196] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] OSPFv2 Segment Routing Extensions ERO Extensions (would also effect OSPFv3 and IS-IS) - REPLY TO THIS ONE X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Stacked Tunnels for Source Routing \(STATUS\)." 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] OSPFv2 Segment Routing Extensions ERO Extensions (would also effect OSPFv3 and IS-IS) - REPLY TO THIS ONE X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Stacked Tunnels for Source Routing \(STATUS\)." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 08:18:08 -0000 Hi, I would like to get some feedback on the usage of the SID/Label Binding TLV. Is there any implementation that uses SID/Label Binding TLV for advertising the SID/Label binding to a FEC as specified in section 6 of the draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions-16 or section 2.4 of draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-12? If not, do we see this as something we want to preserve in the IGP SR drafts? ISIS uses The SID/Label Binding TLV to advertise prefixes to SID/Label mappings, which is known to be supported by several implementations and that piece needs to be preserved. thanks, Peter On 09/06/17 19:04 , Peter Psenak wrote: > Acee, > > my question is whether we need the whole section 6 and the SID/Label > Binding Sub-TLV that it specifies. In OSPF Binding SID is not used for > SRMS advertisement like in ISIS. > > thanks, > Peter > > > > On 09/06/17 16:45 , Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: >> Corrected IS-IS WG alias – Please reply to this one. >> Thanks, >> Acee >> >> From: Acee Lindem > >> Date: Friday, June 9, 2017 at 10:42 AM >> To: OSPF WG List >, >> "spring@ietf.org " > >, "isis@ietf.org " >> > >> Cc: "draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org >> " >> > > >> Subject: OSPFv2 Segment Routing Extensions ERO Extensions (would also >> effect OSPFv3 and IS-IS) >> >> Hi OSPF, ISIS, and SPRING WGs, >> >> As part of the Alia’s AD review, she uncovered the fact that the ERO >> extensions in 6.1 and 6.2 are specified as far as encoding but are >> not specified as far as usage in any IGP or SPRING document. As >> document shepherd, my proposal is that they simply be removed since >> they were incorporated as part of a draft merge and it appears that >> no one has implemented them (other than parsing). We could also >> deprecate types (4-8) in the OSPFv2 Extended Prefix LSA Sub-TLV >> registry to delay usage of these code points for some time (or >> indefinitely ;^). >> >> Thanks, >> Acee >> > > . > From nobody Mon Jun 12 05:50:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10DE7126B6E; Mon, 12 Jun 2017 05:50:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YyXVustrfLHr; Mon, 12 Jun 2017 05:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.orange.com (mta134.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.70.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B59521205F1; Mon, 12 Jun 2017 05:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opfednr06.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.70]) by opfednr26.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 04F7720348; Mon, 12 Jun 2017 14:50:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.66]) by opfednr06.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id C094E1A0062; Mon, 12 Jun 2017 14:50:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::e92a:c932:907e:8f06]) by OPEXCLILMA1.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::95e2:eb4b:3053:fabf%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0339.000; Mon, 12 Jun 2017 14:50:06 +0200 From: To: "spring@ietf.org" CC: "draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org" , Peter Psenak , OSPF WG List , "isis-wg@ietf.org" , "idr-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [OSPF] OSPFv2 Segment Routing Extensions ERO Extensions (would also effect OSPFv3 and IS-IS) - REPLY TO THIS ONE Thread-Index: AQHS41RxkDp00xecFEeeXiZuhgxE8qIhJOwQ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 12:50:05 +0000 Message-ID: <25722_1497271806_593E8DFE_25722_1913_2_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A4777B7CF@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <593AD535.2060905@cisco.com> <593E4E3D.7010105@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <593E4E3D.7010105@cisco.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.3] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] [OSPF] OSPFv2 Segment Routing Extensions ERO Extensions (would also effect OSPFv3 and IS-IS) - REPLY TO THIS ONE X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Stacked Tunnels for Source Routing \(STATUS\)." 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[130.237.14.64]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q123sm2636699ljb.31.2017.06.12.06.05.21 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 12 Jun 2017 06:05:21 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.21.0.170409 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 06:05:20 -0700 From: Jeff Tantsura To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" , "bruno.decraene@orange.com" , "spring@ietf.org" CC: "draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org" , OSPF WG List , "isis-wg@ietf.org" , "idr-chairs@ietf.org" , "Peter Psenak (ppsenak)" Message-ID: <333262CF-AB4F-4BCC-B242-038C26042F66@gmail.com> Thread-Topic: [spring] [OSPF] OSPFv2 Segment Routing Extensions ERO Extensions (would also effect OSPFv3 and IS-IS) - REPLY TO THIS ONE References: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] [OSPF] OSPFv2 Segment Routing Extensions ERO Extensions (would also effect OSPFv3 and IS-IS) - REPLY TO THIS ONE X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Stacked Tunnels for Source Routing \(STATUS\)." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 13:05:28 -0000 Hi, I have got pretty much same view as Acee. There are many application (future, to my knowledge no products) for which = the concept of Binding SID (anchor node) is central, I=E2=80=99m aware of ISIS imp= lementation, didn=E2=80=99t see OSPF. =20 Currently, I don=E2=80=99t see any use to ERO extensions, perhaps could be remove= d from base specs and added later, if/when clear use case shows up. =20 Cheers, Jeff =20 On 6/12/17, 05:57, "Acee Lindem (acee)" wrote: Hi Bruno,=20 =20 Here is my view. =20 =20 On 6/12/17, 8:50 AM, "spring on behalf of bruno.decraene@orange.com" wrote: =20 >Hello SPRING WG, > >I'd like to encourage discussion on this thread. > >The related questions seem to be: >- Binding SIDs: > - Is there any implementation? > - Is it useful? > - Does it need to be specified? =20 Binding SIDs as an architectural concept are very useful and will be leveraged by numerous use cases. For example, one implemented use case = is BGP SR-TE.=20 > >- Binding SIDs advertised in IGP: > - Is there any implementation? > - Is it useful? > - Does it need to be specified? =20 At least for OSPF(v3), we currently don=E2=80=99t see any usage of binding SI= Ds. I believe there is a use case for IS-IS but I=E2=80=99ll defer to the authors o= f the IS-IS SR draft and implementation to elaborate. =20 As for the Bind SID ERO extensions, to the best of my knowledge, they a= re not implemented or used by either OSPF or IS-IS. =20 > >As of today, there seem to be multiple SPRING (related) document that >make reference (define/use) to the Binding SIDs. e.g. >- architecture=20 >https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-11#secti= on-3 >.5.2 >- MPLS instantiation >https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-08#= sect >ion-2 >- non-protected paths >https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-litkowski-spring-non-protected-paths= -01# >section-3.3 >- SR policies:=20 >https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-poli= cy-0 >0#section-7 > > >However, it also seems a priori possible to define Binding SIDs and no= t >advertised them in the IGP. (e.g. by keeping them local to the PCE) > >On a side note, if the Binding SIDs are removed from the IGP, do they >need to be removed from the BGP-LS extensions? [+IDR chairs] =20 At least the ERO extensions should be removed. =20 Thanks, Acee=20 > >Thanks, >Regards, >--Bruno > >> From: OSPF [mailto:ospf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Peter Psenak >> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 10:18 AM > > To: OSPF WG List; spring@ietf.org; isis-wg@ietf.org > > Cc: draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [OSPF] OSPFv2 Segment Routing Extensions ERO Extension= s >(would also effect > > OSPFv3 and IS-IS) - REPLY TO THIS ONE > >=20 > > Hi, > >=20 > > I would like to get some feedback on the usage of the SID/Label >Binding TLV. > >=20 > > Is there any implementation that uses SID/Label Binding TLV for > > advertising the SID/Label binding to a FEC as specified in section = 6 of > > the draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions-16 or section 2.4 of > > draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-12? > >=20 > > If not, do we see this as something we want to preserve in the IGP = SR > > drafts? > >=20 > > ISIS uses The SID/Label Binding TLV to advertise > > prefixes to SID/Label mappings, which is known to be supported by > > several implementations and that piece needs to be preserved. > >=20 > > thanks, > > Peter > >=20 > > On 09/06/17 19:04 , Peter Psenak wrote: > > > Acee, > > > > > > my question is whether we need the whole section 6 and the SID/La= bel > > > Binding Sub-TLV that it specifies. In OSPF Binding SID is not use= d >for > > > SRMS advertisement like in ISIS. > > > > > > thanks, > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > On 09/06/17 16:45 , Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > > >> Corrected IS-IS WG alias =E2=80=93 Please reply to this one. > > >> Thanks, > > >> Acee > > >> > > >> From: Acee Lindem > > > >> Date: Friday, June 9, 2017 at 10:42 AM > > >> To: OSPF WG List >, > > >> "spring@ietf.org " > >> >, "isis@ietf.org = " > > >> > > > >> Cc: "draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org > > >> " > > >> > >> > > > >> Subject: OSPFv2 Segment Routing Extensions ERO Extensions (would >also > > >> effect OSPFv3 and IS-IS) > > >> > > >> Hi OSPF, ISIS, and SPRING WGs, > > >> > > >> As part of the Alia=E2=80=99s AD review, she uncovered the fact th= at >the ERO > > >> extensions in 6.1 and 6.2 are specified as far as encoding b= ut >are > > >> not specified as far as usage in any IGP or SPRING document.= As > > >> document shepherd, my proposal is that they simply be remov= ed >since > > >> they were incorporated as part of a draft merge and it appea= rs >that > > >> no one has implemented them (other than parsing). We could a= lso > > >> deprecate types (4-8) in the OSPFv2 Extended Prefix LSA Sub-= TLV > > >> registry to delay usage of these code points for some time (= or > > >> indefinitely ;^). > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> Acee > > >> > > > > > > . > > > > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > OSPF mailing list > > OSPF@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > >______________________________________________________________________= ____ >_______________________________________________ > >Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations >confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc >pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez >recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler >a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messag= es >electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, >Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deform= e >ou falsifie. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 13:08:31 -0000 --001a11c024a8a1b3660551c303e6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bruno, SPRING, I am aware of at least one implementation that makes heavy use of Binding SIDs, so I do not think that this is something that we can remove from the protocol specification. It seems to me that we have a number of cases that continue to exist that make it useful to have them specified, particularly: - Binding of a SID to a deeper label stack to prevent there being large label stacks required on ingress. This is required due to limited push depth, and limited readable label depths for hashing. - Re-use of some other protocol's or network's forwarding path by a device that is imposing an SR label stack. There is not an alternative construct that can be used for this purpose, so we should not remove it. In both of these cases there seems, to me, to be a use case for having the information in the IGP in the case that an implementation computes TE paths using cSPF, having binding SID information available to it (along with the ERO) enables it to reduce the label stack depth by finding binding SIDs that follow the same path as the computed ERO. Without the ERO (which might not be an RSVP-TE ERO, but I believe that it how it was first envisaged) how can the head-end of an TE path know what path the advertised Binding SID takes? It's fine to punt this and say "the PCE in the sky will know" - however, I believe SPRING's charter doesn't limit the technology to only centralised computation of paths. I don't believe current demand for this is a good reason to remove it from the protocol specification - it is still somewhat early days for folks deploying TE based on SR - where I think the Binding SID concept is most important. r. On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 at 05:50 wrote: > Hello SPRING WG, > > I'd like to encourage discussion on this thread. > > The related questions seem to be: > - Binding SIDs: > - Is there any implementation? > - Is it useful? > - Does it need to be specified? > > - Binding SIDs advertised in IGP: > - Is there any implementation? > - Is it useful? > - Does it need to be specified? > > As of today, there seem to be multiple SPRING (related) document that mak= e > reference (define/use) to the Binding SIDs. e.g. > - architecture > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-11#section-= 3.5.2 > - MPLS instantiation > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-08#sec= tion-2 > - non-protected paths > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-litkowski-spring-non-protected-paths-01= #section-3.3 > - SR policies: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy-= 00#section-7 > > > However, it also seems a priori possible to define Binding SIDs and not > advertised them in the IGP. (e.g. by keeping them local to the PCE) > > On a side note, if the Binding SIDs are removed from the IGP, do they nee= d > to be removed from the BGP-LS extensions? [+IDR chairs] > > Thanks, > Regards, > --Bruno > > > From: OSPF [mailto:ospf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Peter Psenak > > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 10:18 AM > > To: OSPF WG List; spring@ietf.org; isis-wg@ietf.org > > Cc: draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [OSPF] OSPFv2 Segment Routing Extensions ERO Extensions > (would also effect > > OSPFv3 and IS-IS) - REPLY TO THIS ONE > > > > Hi, > > > > I would like to get some feedback on the usage of the SID/Label Bindin= g > TLV. > > > > Is there any implementation that uses SID/Label Binding TLV for > > advertising the SID/Label binding to a FEC as specified in section 6 o= f > > the draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions-16 or section 2.4 of > > draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-12? > > > > If not, do we see this as something we want to preserve in the IGP SR > > drafts? > > > > ISIS uses The SID/Label Binding TLV to advertise > > prefixes to SID/Label mappings, which is known to be supported by > > several implementations and that piece needs to be preserved. > > > > thanks, > > Peter > > > > On 09/06/17 19:04 , Peter Psenak wrote: > > > Acee, > > > > > > my question is whether we need the whole section 6 and the SID/Label > > > Binding Sub-TLV that it specifies. In OSPF Binding SID is not used f= or > > > SRMS advertisement like in ISIS. > > > > > > thanks, > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > On 09/06/17 16:45 , Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > > >> Corrected IS-IS WG alias =E2=80=93 Please reply to this one. > > >> Thanks, > > >> Acee > > >> > > >> From: Acee Lindem > > > >> Date: Friday, June 9, 2017 at 10:42 AM > > >> To: OSPF WG List >, > > >> "spring@ietf.org " > >> >, "isis@ietf.org " > > >> > > > >> Cc: "draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org > > >> " > > >> > >> > > > >> Subject: OSPFv2 Segment Routing Extensions ERO Extensions (would al= so > > >> effect OSPFv3 and IS-IS) > > >> > > >> Hi OSPF, ISIS, and SPRING WGs, > > >> > > >> As part of the Alia=E2=80=99s AD review, she uncovered the fact= that the > ERO > > >> extensions in 6.1 and 6.2 are specified as far as encoding but > are > > >> not specified as far as usage in any IGP or SPRING document. As > > >> document shepherd, my proposal is that they simply be removed > since > > >> they were incorporated as part of a draft merge and it appears > that > > >> no one has implemented them (other than parsing). We could also > > >> deprecate types (4-8) in the OSPFv2 Extended Prefix LSA Sub-TLV > > >> registry to delay usage of these code points for some time (or > > >> indefinitely ;^). > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> Acee > > >> > > > > > > . > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OSPF mailing list > > OSPF@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > > > _________________________________________________________________________= ________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Bruno, SPRING,

I am aware of at least o= ne implementation that makes heavy use of Binding SIDs, so I do not think t= hat this is something that we can remove from the protocol specification. I= t seems to me that we have a number of cases that continue to exist that ma= ke it useful to have them specified, particularly:
  • Binding of a SID to a deeper label stack to prevent there being = large label stacks required on ingress. This is required due to limited pus= h depth, and limited readable label depths for hashing.
  • Re-use of some other protocol's or network's forwardin= g path by a device that is imposing an SR label stack.
There is not an alternative construct that can be used fo= r this purpose, so we should not remove it.

In both of these cases ther= e seems, to me, to be a use case for having the information in the IGP in t= he case that an implementation computes TE paths using cSPF, having binding= SID information available to it (along with the ERO) enables it to reduce = the label stack depth by finding binding SIDs that follow the same path as = the computed ERO. Without the ERO (which might not be an RSVP-TE ERO, but I= believe that it how it was first envisaged) how can the head-end of an TE = path know what path the advertised Binding SID takes? It's fine to punt= this and say "the PCE in the sky will know" - however, I believe= SPRING's charter doesn't limit the technology to only centralised = computation of paths.

I don't believe current demand for this is a good r= eason to remove it from the protocol specification - it is still somewhat e= arly days for folks deploying TE based on SR - where I think the Binding SI= D concept is most important.

<= /div>
r.

On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 at 05:50 <bruno.decraene@orange.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello SPRING WG,

I'd like to encourage discussion on this thread.

The related questions seem to be:
- Binding SIDs:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -=C2=A0 Is there any implementation?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Is it useful?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Does it need to be specified?

- Binding SIDs advertised in IGP:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -=C2=A0 Is there any implementation?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- Is it useful?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Does it need to be specified?

As of today, there seem to be multiple SPRING (related) document that make = reference (define/use) to the Binding SIDs. e.g.
- architecture https:/= /tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-11#section-3.5.2=
- MPLS instantiation = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-08#secti= on-2
- non-protected paths https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-litkowski-spring-non-protected-pat= hs-01#section-3.3
- SR policies: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy-00= #section-7


However, it also seems a priori possible to define Binding SIDs and not adv= ertised them in the IGP. (e.g. by keeping them local to the PCE)

On a side note, if the Binding SIDs are removed from the IGP, do they need = to be removed from the BGP-LS extensions? [+IDR chairs]

Thanks,
Regards,
--Bruno

> From: OSPF [mailto:ospf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Peter Psenak
> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 10:18 AM
=C2=A0> To: OSPF WG List; spring@ietf.org; isis-wg@ietf.org
=C2=A0> Cc: draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions@iet= f.org
=C2=A0> Subject: Re: [OSPF] OSPFv2 Segment Routing Extensions ERO Extens= ions (would also effect
=C2=A0> OSPFv3 and IS-IS) - REPLY TO THIS ONE
=C2=A0>
=C2=A0> Hi,
=C2=A0>
=C2=A0> I would like to get some feedback on the usage of the SID/Label = Binding TLV.
=C2=A0>
=C2=A0> Is there any implementation that uses SID/Label Binding TLV for<= br> =C2=A0> advertising the SID/Label binding to a FEC as specified in secti= on 6 of
=C2=A0> the draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions-16 or section 2.4= of
=C2=A0> draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-12?
=C2=A0>
=C2=A0> If not, do we see this as something we want to preserve in the I= GP SR
=C2=A0> drafts?
=C2=A0>
=C2=A0> ISIS uses The SID/Label Binding TLV to advertise
=C2=A0> prefixes to SID/Label mappings, which is known to be supported b= y
=C2=A0> several implementations and that piece needs to be preserved. =C2=A0>
=C2=A0> thanks,
=C2=A0> Peter
=C2=A0>
=C2=A0> On 09/06/17 19:04 , Peter Psenak wrote:
=C2=A0> > Acee,
=C2=A0> >
=C2=A0> > my question is whether we need the whole section 6 and the = SID/Label
=C2=A0> > Binding Sub-TLV that it specifies. In OSPF Binding SID is n= ot used for
=C2=A0> > SRMS advertisement like in ISIS.
=C2=A0> >
=C2=A0> > thanks,
=C2=A0> > Peter
=C2=A0> >
=C2=A0> >
=C2=A0> >
=C2=A0> > On 09/06/17 16:45 , Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:
=C2=A0> >> Corrected IS-IS WG alias =E2=80=93 Please reply to this= one.
=C2=A0> >> Thanks,
=C2=A0> >> Acee
=C2=A0> >>
=C2=A0> >> From: Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com <mailto:acee@cisco.com>>
=C2=A0> >> Date: Friday, June 9, 2017 at 10:42 AM
=C2=A0> >> To: OSPF WG List <ospf@ietf.org <mailto:ospf@ietf.org>>,
=C2=A0> >> "spring@ietf.org <mailto:spring@ietf.org>" <spring@ietf.org
=C2=A0> >> <mailto:spring@ietf.org>>, "isis@ietf.org <mailto:isis@ietf.org>"
=C2=A0> >> <= isis@ietf.org <mailto:isis@ietf.org>>
=C2=A0> >> Cc: "draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing= -extensions@ietf.org
=C2=A0> >> <mailto:draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routin= g-extensions@ietf.org>"
=C2=A0> >> <draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-exten= sions@ietf.org
=C2=A0> >> <mailto:draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routin= g-extensions@ietf.org>>
=C2=A0> >> Subject: OSPFv2 Segment Routing Extensions ERO Extensio= ns (would also
=C2=A0> >> effect OSPFv3 and IS-IS)
=C2=A0> >>
=C2=A0> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hi OSPF, ISIS, and SPRING WGs,
=C2=A0> >>
=C2=A0> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0As part of the Alia=E2=80=99s AD rev= iew, she uncovered the fact that the ERO
=C2=A0> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0extensions in 6.1 and 6.2 are specif= ied as far as encoding but are
=C2=A0> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0not specified as far as usage in any= IGP or SPRING document. As
=C2=A0> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0document shepherd,=C2=A0 my proposal= is that they simply be removed since
=C2=A0> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0they were incorporated as part of a = draft merge and it appears that
=C2=A0> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0no one has implemented them (other t= han parsing). We could also
=C2=A0> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0deprecate types (4-8) in the OSPFv2 = Extended Prefix LSA Sub-TLV
=C2=A0> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0registry to delay usage of these cod= e points for some time (or
=C2=A0> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0indefinitely ;^).
=C2=A0> >>
=C2=A0> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks,
=C2=A0> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Acee
=C2=A0> >>
=C2=A0> >
=C2=A0> > .
=C2=A0> >
=C2=A0>
=C2=A0> _______________________________________________
=C2=A0> OSPF mailing list
=C2=A0> OSPF@ietf.org=
=C2=A0> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf<= br>
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Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Stefano Previdi (sprevidi)" , Rob Shakir CC: "bruno.decraene@orange.com" , "spring@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org" , OSPF WG List , "isis-wg@ietf.org" , "idr-chairs@ietf.org" References: <593AD535.2060905@cisco.com> <593E4E3D.7010105@cisco.com> <25722_1497271806_593E8DFE_25722_1913_2_53C29892C857584299CBF5D05346208A4777B7CF@OPEXCLILM21.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <2386A5FB-817D-4A8D-87A4-BD31EE4439DF@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <2386A5FB-817D-4A8D-87A4-BD31EE4439DF@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [spring] [OSPF] OSPFv2 Segment Routing Extensions ERO Extensions (would also effect OSPFv3 and IS-IS) - REPLY TO THIS ONE X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Stacked Tunnels for Source Routing \(STATUS\)." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 14:10:23 -0000 Stefano, Rob, the question is about the "usage of the SID/Label Binding TLV", not about the Binding SID concept. I don't know how to better describe the problem. In ISIS SR draft SID/Label Binding TLV has two functions: 1. Advertise the SID/Label binding to a FEC 2. SRMS advertisements In OSPF SID/Label Binding TLV has only one function: 1. Advertise the SID/Label binding to a FEC The question is whether we need the function (1) at all in IGP SR drafts. thanks, Peter On 12/06/17 15:52 , Stefano Previdi (sprevidi) wrote: > Hi Rob, > > sorry for the mess. I’m afraid, the problem has been poorly described. > > We’re obviously NOT questioning the use of the Binding SID and we’re NOT proposing the removal of it. > > What we’re talking about is the set of RSVP-like/ERO-like subTLVs that have been defined in both isis and ospf protocols and for which, apparently, nobody has found yet any use. > > Can we try to shutdown the unnecessary noise and confusion ? > > Thanks. > s. > > >> On Jun 12, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Rob Shakir wrote: >> >> Bruno, SPRING, >> >> I am aware of at least one implementation that makes heavy use of Binding SIDs, so I do not think that this is something that we can remove from the protocol specification. >> It seems to me that we have a number of cases that continue to exist that make it useful to have them specified, particularly: >> • Binding of a SID to a deeper label stack to prevent there being large label stacks required on ingress. This is required due to limited push depth, and limited readable label depths for hashing. >> • Re-use of some other protocol's or network's forwarding path by a device that is imposing an SR label stack. >> There is not an alternative construct that can be used for this purpose, so we should not remove it. >> >> In both of these cases there seems, to me, to be a use case for having the information in the IGP in the case that an implementation computes TE paths using cSPF, having binding SID information available to it (along with the ERO) enables it to reduce the label stack depth by finding binding SIDs that follow the same path as the computed ERO. Without the ERO (which might not be an RSVP-TE ERO, but I believe that it how it was first envisaged) how can the head-end of an TE path know what path the advertised Binding SID takes? It's fine to punt this and say "the PCE in the sky will know" - however, I believe SPRING's charter doesn't limit the technology to only centralised computation of paths. >> >> I don't believe current demand for this is a good reason to remove it from the protocol specification - it is still somewhat early days for folks deploying TE based on SR - where I think the Binding SID concept is most important. >> >> r. >> >> On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 at 05:50 wrote: >> Hello SPRING WG, >> >> I'd like to encourage discussion on this thread. >> >> The related questions seem to be: >> - Binding SIDs: >> - Is there any implementation? >> - Is it useful? >> - Does it need to be specified? >> >> - Binding SIDs advertised in IGP: >> - Is there any implementation? >> - Is it useful? >> - Does it need to be specified? >> >> As of today, there seem to be multiple SPRING (related) document that make reference (define/use) to the Binding SIDs. e.g. >> - architecture https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-11#section-3.5.2 >> - MPLS instantiation https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-08#section-2 >> - non-protected paths https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-litkowski-spring-non-protected-paths-01#section-3.3 >> - SR policies: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-filsfils-spring-segment-routing-policy-00#section-7 >> >> >> However, it also seems a priori possible to define Binding SIDs and not advertised them in the IGP. (e.g. by keeping them local to the PCE) >> >> On a side note, if the Binding SIDs are removed from the IGP, do they need to be removed from the BGP-LS extensions? [+IDR chairs] >> >> Thanks, >> Regards, >> --Bruno >> >>> From: OSPF [mailto:ospf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Peter Psenak >>> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 10:18 AM >> > To: OSPF WG List; spring@ietf.org; isis-wg@ietf.org >> > Cc: draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org >> > Subject: Re: [OSPF] OSPFv2 Segment Routing Extensions ERO Extensions (would also effect >> > OSPFv3 and IS-IS) - REPLY TO THIS ONE >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > I would like to get some feedback on the usage of the SID/Label Binding TLV. >> > >> > Is there any implementation that uses SID/Label Binding TLV for >> > advertising the SID/Label binding to a FEC as specified in section 6 of >> > the draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions-16 or section 2.4 of >> > draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-12? >> > >> > If not, do we see this as something we want to preserve in the IGP SR >> > drafts? >> > >> > ISIS uses The SID/Label Binding TLV to advertise >> > prefixes to SID/Label mappings, which is known to be supported by >> > several implementations and that piece needs to be preserved. >> > >> > thanks, >> > Peter >> > >> > On 09/06/17 19:04 , Peter Psenak wrote: >> > > Acee, >> > > >> > > my question is whether we need the whole section 6 and the SID/Label >> > > Binding Sub-TLV that it specifies. In OSPF Binding SID is not used for >> > > SRMS advertisement like in ISIS. >> > > >> > > thanks, >> > > Peter >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On 09/06/17 16:45 , Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: >> > >> Corrected IS-IS WG alias – Please reply to this one. >> > >> Thanks, >> > >> Acee >> > >> >> > >> From: Acee Lindem > >> > >> Date: Friday, June 9, 2017 at 10:42 AM >> > >> To: OSPF WG List >, >> > >> "spring@ietf.org " > > >> >, "isis@ietf.org " >> > >> > >> > >> Cc: "draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org >> > >> " >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> Subject: OSPFv2 Segment Routing Extensions ERO Extensions (would also >> > >> effect OSPFv3 and IS-IS) >> > >> >> > >> Hi OSPF, ISIS, and SPRING WGs, >> > >> >> > >> As part of the Alia’s AD review, she uncovered the fact that the ERO >> > >> extensions in 6.1 and 6.2 are specified as far as encoding but are >> > >> not specified as far as usage in any IGP or SPRING document. As >> > >> document shepherd, my proposal is that they simply be removed since >> > >> they were incorporated as part of a draft merge and it appears that >> > >> no one has implemented them (other than parsing). We could also >> > >> deprecate types (4-8) in the OSPFv2 Extended Prefix LSA Sub-TLV >> > >> registry to delay usage of these code points for some time (or >> > >> indefinitely ;^). >> > >> >> > >> Thanks, >> > >> Acee >> > >> >> > > >> > > . >> > > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > OSPF mailing list >> > OSPF@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf >> >> _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ >> >> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc >> pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Re: [spring] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Stacked Tunnels for Source Routing \(STATUS\)." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 18:56:44 -0000 Hi Loa, I'm not aware of any IPR applying to draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping. Regards, Faisal -----Original Message----- From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Loa Andersson Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 3:39 AM To: mpls@ietf.org Cc: spring@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org; draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping@= ietf.org Subject: [spring] IPR poll on draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping Working Group, authors, We have started to prepare the the draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping for wglc= , prior to the wglc we need to do an IPR poll. This mail starts this IPR poll. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). No IPR disclosures have been submitted directly on draft-ietf-mpls- spring-= lsp-ping or the individual document it replaced. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please respond to thi= s email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. *Th= e response needs to be sent to the MPLS WG mailing list.* The document will= not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each= author and contributor. If you are on the MPLS WG email list but are not listed as an author or con= tributor, then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR t= hat has not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. Since this document might be of interest for the SPRING wg, it has been cop= ied to the SPRING wg mailing list. /Loa mpls wg co-chair --=20 Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 _______________________________________________ spring mailing list spring@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring From nobody Tue Jun 13 04:03:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietf.org Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B21F12EC63; Tue, 13 Jun 2017 04:03:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: spring@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.54.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149735180399.17655.1537552340161087812@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 04:03:24 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-ipv6-use-cases-11.txt X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Stacked Tunnels for Source Routing \(STATUS\)." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 11:03:24 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Source Packet Routing in Networking of the IETF. Title : IPv6 SPRING Use Cases Authors : John Brzozowski John Leddy Clarence Filsfils Roberta Maglione Mark Townsley Filename : draft-ietf-spring-ipv6-use-cases-11.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2017-06-13 Abstract: The Source Packet Routing in Networking (SPRING) architecture describes how Segment Routing can be used to steer packets through an IPv6 or MPLS network using the source routing paradigm. This document illustrates some use cases for Segment Routing in an IPv6 only environment. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-spring-ipv6-use-cases/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-ipv6-use-cases-11 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-spring-ipv6-use-cases-11 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-spring-ipv6-use-cases-11 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Jun 15 15:19:51 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietf.org Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B05BC1275AB; Thu, 15 Jun 2017 15:19:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: spring@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.54.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149756518368.11337.18167174371386240807@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 15:19:43 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop-08.txt X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Stacked Tunnels for Source Routing \(STATUS\)." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 22:19:44 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Source Packet Routing in Networking of the IETF. Title : Segment Routing interworking with LDP Authors : Clarence Filsfils Stefano Previdi Ahmed Bashandy Bruno Decraene Stephane Litkowski Filename : draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop-08.txt Pages : 20 Date : 2017-06-15 Abstract: A Segment Routing (SR) node steers a packet through a controlled set of instructions, called segments, by prepending the packet with an SR header. A segment can represent any instruction, topological or service-based. SR allows to enforce a flow through any topological path and service chain while maintaining per-flow state only at the ingress node to the SR domain. The Segment Routing architecture can be directly applied to the MPLS data plane with no change in the forwarding plane. This drafts describes how Segment Routing operates in a network where LDP is deployed and in the case where SR-capable and non-SR-capable nodes coexist. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop-08 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop-08 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 22:28:46 -0000 in this version we have better introduced the concept of the SRMS that is t= hen referenced by routing protocol extensions drafts. thanks. s. > On Jun 16, 2017, at 12:19 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > This draft is a work item of the Source Packet Routing in Networking of t= he IETF. >=20 > Title : Segment Routing interworking with LDP > Authors : Clarence Filsfils > Stefano Previdi > Ahmed Bashandy > Bruno Decraene > Stephane Litkowski > Filename : draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-ldp-interop-08.txt > Pages : 20 > Date : 2017-06-15 >=20 > Abstract: > A Segment Routing (SR) node steers a packet through a controlled set > of instructions, called segments, by prepending the packet with an SR > header. A segment can represent any instruction, topological or > service-based. SR allows to enforce a flow through any topological > path and service chain while maintaining per-flow state only at the > ingress node to the SR domain. >=20 > The Segment Routing architecture can be directly applied to the MPLS > data plane with no change in the forwarding plane. 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Archived-At: Subject: [spring] Last Call: (A Scalable and Topology-Aware MPLS Dataplane Monitoring System) to Informational RFC X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Stacked Tunnels for Source Routing \(STATUS\)." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 15:34:41 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Source Packet Routing in Networking WG (spring) to consider the following document: - 'A Scalable and Topology-Aware MPLS Dataplane Monitoring System' as Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2017-06-30. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This document describes features of a path monitoring system and related use cases. Segment based routing enables a scalable and simple method to monitor data plane liveliness of the complete set of paths belonging to a single domain. The MPLS monitoring system adds features to the traditional MPLS ping and LSP path trace, in a very complementary way. MPLS topology awareness reduces management and control plane involvement of OAM measurements while enabling new OAM features. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-spring-oam-usecase/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-spring-oam-usecase/ballot/ The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2314/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2406/ From nobody Mon Jun 19 21:21:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F1EE12704B; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 21:21:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z2E2OqsiYEIL; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 21:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-x22c.google.com (mail-oi0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 446591243F3; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 21:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id b6so65676229oia.1; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 21:21:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=vgCOqoKjgcr2ZWf3QemD4Hu0jZVB56cJTsP9ROjCEDg=; b=Est6awMw/2fsKHduDx4ELLb9T2bz++wfhw/W2B6VRN8uVtphEF/yxt2hHRBeGEFkUT gRtN2tgJ7ltBYUb1odvq/hq3vdh3ByhBdDtXCV7CVIIHxAGT3rAf3reFNk2xX7NbyLZy 0hZ1e1UR6Vu/TacCE2ESfevUEj/UnijybrSVqssndF/9pC5+uXY+ibfDqbADbTGUNQ0V mKjXGZEsk7ujby276MTlQmjyAu42t3pcU8gpPW+sOR4Z7SGNUtIwehDQ/whzW7PMZJcg im6WGdXTpMPGtAOV/2isrHDIXwQkcZ/SY2JfHMC/HyceX3VGkRIK74KmHOl79Fc3Lp/f P1aQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=vgCOqoKjgcr2ZWf3QemD4Hu0jZVB56cJTsP9ROjCEDg=; b=Ah4fHjHtiHvvyR9mDc8SjqxcwWNH1CVFStGRlDtYkJ9G1ivZ30HyNBLFKoKcVFAHRI PdTcJA93liwlEXDeYHXJBvtc/0d+FvIoyimw4PImHjILFeh/C3l4YyyCEWOgL2M+xItS 472+HX3iUEklDeY3Bbv120clqeNM071hypOHUmjZWvclkokUYbC0HXtjTMby8yBigYby WnpG7fPidf3GNdOlDpAwkUeuZ2uYWas7h5G4Msh0lZoV96CM0x+dGw9AueekpnoOftmh c37FB+6B/AQP8iwIjdqzzGVax52OMxbqOTXoC/QkuYVZmqa/0VnRg9EVxYNhd5N4s/2J pTcQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOye76PSEXfR5Wr5rk82rq8eaU4va29QXWqUL5ciw6T4dQNzllo0 9P4Ue4SaXiNMl6QTG7sMz1Suhkj9WQ== X-Received: by 10.202.87.87 with SMTP id l84mr13613621oib.214.1497932483350; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 21:21:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.52.171 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2017 21:21:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <149791573372.23708.11815253927158130940.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <149791573372.23708.11815253927158130940.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Greg Mirsky Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 23:21:22 -0500 Message-ID: To: "rtg-bfd@ietf.org" , "mpls@ietf.org" , spring@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113d2ecc916e5405525c95be" Archived-At: Subject: [spring] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-mirsky-bfd-mpls-demand-00.txt X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Stacked Tunnels for Source Routing \(STATUS\)." 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Name: draft-mirsky-bfd-mpls-demand Revision: 00 Title: BFD in Demand Mode over Point-to-Point MPLS LSP Document date: 2017-06-19 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 5 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-mirsky-bfd-mpls- demand-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mirsky-bfd-mpls- demand/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mirsky-bfd-mpls-demand-00 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-mirsky-bfd- mpls-demand-00 Abstract: This document describes procedures for using Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) in Demand mode to detect data plane failures in Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) point-to-point Label Switched Paths. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat --001a113d2ecc916e5405525c95be Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I think this new draft may be of interest. L= ooking forward to your comments, questions.

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--001a113d2ecc916e5405525c95be-- From nobody Tue Jun 20 11:04:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietf.org Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C32E1315BF; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 11:04:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: spring@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149798188950.25075.2632962553255264693@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 11:04:49 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-09.txt X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Stacked Tunnels for Source Routing \(STATUS\)." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 18:04:50 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Source Packet Routing in Networking of the IETF. Title : Segment Routing with MPLS data plane Authors : Clarence Filsfils Stefano Previdi Ahmed Bashandy Bruno Decraene Stephane Litkowski Rob Shakir Filename : draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-09.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2017-06-20 Abstract: Segment Routing (SR) leverages the source routing paradigm. A node steers a packet through a controlled set of instructions, called segments, by prepending the packet with an SR header. In the MPLS dataplane, the SR header is instantiated through a label stack. A segment can represent any instruction, topological or service-based. Additional segments can be defined in the future. SR allows to enforce a flow through any topological path and/or service chain while maintaining per-flow state only at the ingress node to the SR domain. Segment Routing can be directly applied to the MPLS architecture with no change in the forwarding plane. This drafts describes how Segment Routing operates on top of the MPLS data plane. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-09 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-09 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-09 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Jun 20 11:15:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietf.org Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 651FF12947F; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 11:15:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: spring@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149798253135.25035.2717369618051031140@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 11:15:31 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [spring] I-D Action: draft-filsfils-spring-sr-recursing-info-05.txt X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Stacked Tunnels for Source Routing \(STATUS\)." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 18:15:31 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Source Packet Routing in Networking of the IETF. Title : Segment Routing Recursive Information Authors : Clarence Filsfils Stefano Previdi Peter Psenak Les Ginsberg Filename : draft-filsfils-spring-sr-recursing-info-05.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2017-06-20 Abstract: Segment Routing (SR) allows for a flexible definition of end-to-end paths within IGP topologies by encoding paths as sequences of topological sub-paths, called "segments". These segments are advertised by the link-state routing protocols (IS-IS and OSPF). There are use cases where it is desirable to utilize a SID associated with a given node in order to transport traffic destined to different local services supported by such node. This document defines the mechanism to do so and illustrates it. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-filsfils-spring-sr-recursing-info/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-filsfils-spring-sr-recursing-info-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-filsfils-spring-sr-recursing-info-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-filsfils-spring-sr-recursing-info-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Jun 20 11:26:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietf.org Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A8EB129445; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 11:26:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: spring@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149798319753.24946.13762584640339153862@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 11:26:37 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-central-epe-06.txt X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Stacked Tunnels for Source Routing \(STATUS\)." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 18:26:37 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Source Packet Routing in Networking of the IETF. Title : Segment Routing Centralized BGP Egress Peer Engineering Authors : Clarence Filsfils Stefano Previdi Ebben Aries Dmitry Afanasiev Filename : draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-central-epe-06.txt Pages : 19 Date : 2017-06-20 Abstract: Segment Routing (SR) leverages source routing. A node steers a packet through a controlled set of instructions, called segments, by prepending the packet with an SR header. A segment can represent any instruction topological or service-based. SR allows to enforce a flow through any topological path and service chain while maintaining per-flow state only at the ingress node of the SR domain. The Segment Routing architecture can be directly applied to the MPLS dataplane with no change on the forwarding plane. It requires a minor extension to the existing link-state routing protocols. This document illustrates the application of Segment Routing to solve the BGP Egress Peer Engineering (BGP-EPE) requirement. The SR-based BGP-EPE solution allows a centralized (Software Defined Network, SDN) controller to program any egress peer policy at ingress border routers or at hosts within the domain. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-central-epe/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-central-epe-06 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-central-epe-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-central-epe-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Jun 20 11:30:06 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietf.org Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4051D13154A; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 11:29:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: spring@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149798339921.25043.7724433816313947669@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 11:29:59 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-msdc-05.txt X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Stacked Tunnels for Source Routing \(STATUS\)." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 18:29:59 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Source Packet Routing in Networking of the IETF. Title : BGP-Prefix Segment in large-scale data centers Authors : Clarence Filsfils Stefano Previdi Jon Mitchell Ebben Aries Petr Lapukhov Filename : draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-msdc-05.txt Pages : 25 Date : 2017-06-20 Abstract: This document describes the motivation and benefits for applying segment routing in BGP-based large-scale data-centers. It describes the design to deploy segment routing in those data-centers, for both the MPLS and IPv6 dataplanes. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-msdc/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-msdc-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-msdc-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-msdc-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Jun 20 11:34:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietf.org Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61ADB1315BB; Tue, 20 Jun 2017 11:34:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: spring@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149798365936.25080.17303684173954958360@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 11:34:19 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-12.txt X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Stacked Tunnels for Source Routing \(STATUS\)." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 18:34:19 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Source Packet Routing in Networking of the IETF. Title : Segment Routing Architecture Authors : Clarence Filsfils Stefano Previdi Bruno Decraene Stephane Litkowski Rob Shakir Filename : draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-12.txt Pages : 28 Date : 2017-06-20 Abstract: Segment Routing (SR) leverages the source routing paradigm. A node steers a packet through an ordered list of instructions, called segments. A segment can represent any instruction, topological or service-based. A segment can have a semantic local to an SR node or global within an SR domain. SR allows to enforce a flow through any topological path and service chain while maintaining per-flow state only at the ingress nodes to the SR domain. Segment Routing can be directly applied to the MPLS architecture with no change on the forwarding plane. A segment is encoded as an MPLS label. An ordered list of segments is encoded as a stack of labels. The segment to process is on the top of the stack. Upon completion of a segment, the related label is popped from the stack. Segment Routing can be applied to the IPv6 architecture, with a new type of routing header. A segment is encoded as an IPv6 address. An ordered list of segments is encoded as an ordered list of IPv6 addresses in the routing header. The active segment is indicated by the Destination Address of the packet. The next active segment is indicated by a pointer in the new routing header. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-12 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-12 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-12 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 08:26:39 -0000 WG, Bruno and I have discussed. Considering that the bulk of the WG documents had been sent to IESG in March and that the current items under focus can progress via exchanges on the list we have decided not to request a slot in Prague. As such there won't be a SPRING meeting in Prague. martin From nobody Thu Jun 22 06:29:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietf.org Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AFC3129438; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 06:29:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Joel Halpern To: Cc: spring@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, draft-ietf-spring-oam-usecase.all@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149813817013.30481.17524594111387704082@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 06:29:30 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [spring] Rtgdir last call review of draft-ietf-spring-oam-usecase-06 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Stacked Tunnels for Source Routing \(STATUS\)." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 13:29:30 -0000 Reviewer: Joel Halpern Review result: Has Nits This is a rtg-dir requested review. Summary: Ready for publication as an Informational RFC with some minor items that should be considered. Major: N/A Minor: The introduction treats having a single centralized monitoring system as an unalloyed positive. To set context properly, it would seem more appropriate to note that many operators find such central systems useful, and the approach described here enables that when desired. The reference in the introduction to IGP topology discovery is very confusing. "Adding MPLS topology awareness to an IGP speaking device hence enables a simple and scalable data plane based monitoring mechanism." As noted later in the document, link-state IGPs provide topology awareness. So what is this part of the introduction trying to say? (Side-note, not all IGPs are link state, although the applicability of Babel or RIP to MPLS Segment Routing is clearly outside the scope of this document.) In section 5.1 in discussing path trace the reference is to RFC 4379 which is a clear source for path trace. However, the text refers to "tree trace". While that may have become a common phrase for the usage, it is not used in RFC 4379. The term should either be explain, include a suitable reference, or not be used. In section 5.3 on fault isolation, the text notes that the only difference between the test which succeeds and that which fails is the difference the the adjacency SID. The text then goes on to say "Assuming the second probe has been routed correctly, the fault must have been occurring in R2 which didn't forward the packet to the interface identified by its Adjacency SID 663." That does not follow. If the link as failed in an undetected fashion (either in one direction or both), R2 would be functioning fine and the symptom would be the same. Remotely detecting the difference between R2 failing to forward and the link not working seems a much harder task. The claim that the PMS can / should (intent is ambiguous) notify the router when it detects a path failure raises a number of issues. It is not at all clear what the router would do with the notification. (e.g. If it removed the link from service, then future monitoring would not be able to detect that the link was working.) Either this needs to become a significantly larger section, or (more likely) the text needs to be removed. Editorial: Chapter 7 is titled dealing with non-SR environments. Which makes sense. The text then switches to using "pre-SR" instead of "non-SR". I would recommend that all uses of "pre-SR" be changed to "non-SR". From nobody Thu Jun 22 23:22:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietf.org Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA0312704B; Thu, 22 Jun 2017 23:22:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: spring@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149819893876.17317.16148893017106869309@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 23:22:18 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-10.txt X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Stacked Tunnels for Source Routing \(STATUS\)." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 06:22:19 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Source Packet Routing in Networking of the IETF. Title : Segment Routing with MPLS data plane Authors : Clarence Filsfils Stefano Previdi Ahmed Bashandy Bruno Decraene Stephane Litkowski Rob Shakir Filename : draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-10.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2017-06-22 Abstract: Segment Routing (SR) leverages the source routing paradigm. A node steers a packet through a controlled set of instructions, called segments, by prepending the packet with an SR header. In the MPLS dataplane, the SR header is instantiated through a label stack. A segment can represent any instruction, topological or service-based. Additional segments can be defined in the future. SR allows to enforce a flow through any topological path and/or service chain while maintaining per-flow state only at the ingress node to the SR domain. Segment Routing can be directly applied to the MPLS architecture with no change in the forwarding plane. This drafts describes how Segment Routing operates on top of the MPLS data plane. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-10 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-10 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A75712EC75; Wed, 28 Jun 2017 11:31:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Pete Resnick To: Cc: spring@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, draft-ietf-spring-oam-usecase.all@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.55.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149867468440.7527.6305996146978005032@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 11:31:24 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [spring] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-spring-oam-usecase-06 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Stacked Tunnels for Source Routing \(STATUS\)." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 18:31:25 -0000 Reviewer: Pete Resnick Review result: Not Ready I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any other last call comments. For more information, please see the FAQ at . Document: draft-ietf-spring-oam-usecase-06 Reviewer: Pete Resnick Review Date: 2017-06-28 IETF LC End Date: 2017-06-30 IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat Summary: Not Ready for publication as Informational, but might be Ready for publication as Proposed Standard Major issues: This is an admittedly unusual review. I have read through the entire document, and the technical work seems fine, but is well beyond my technical expertise, so I can't really comment on the technical correctness. However, it is absolutely clear to me that this is *not* a "use case" document at all and I don't think it's appropriate as an Informational document. This is clearly a *specification* of a path monitoring system. It gives guidances as to required, recommended, and optional parameters, and specifies how to use different protocol pieces. It is at the very least what RFC 2026 refers to as an "Applicability Statement (AS)" (see RFC 2026, sec. 3.2). It *might* be a BCP, but it is not strictly giving "common guidelines for policies and operations" (2026, sec. 5), so I don't really think that's right, and instead this should be offered for Proposed Standard. Either way, I think Informational is not correct. Importantly, I think there is a good likelihood that this document has not received the appropriate amount of review; people tend to ignore Informational "use case" documents, and there have been no Last Call comments beyond Joel's RTG Area Review. Even in IESG review, an Informational document only takes the sponsoring AD to approve; every other AD can summarily ignore the document, or even ballot ABSTAIN, and the document will still be published (though that does not normally happen). This document should have much more than that level of review. I strongly recommend to the WG and AD that this document be withdrawn as an Informational document and resubmitted for Proposed Standard and have that level of review and scrutiny applied to it. Minor issues: None. Nits/editorial comments: This document refers to RFC 4379, which has been obsoleted by RFC 8029. It seems like the references should be updated. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 19:10:44 -0000 --94eb2c115c10b9ba0b055309f00a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear All, the update addresses comment from Mankamana Mishra. The draft discusses use of BFD in Demand mode over p2p MPLS LSP. Your comments, questions, and suggestions are always welcome and greatly appreciated. Regards, Greg ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:05 PM Subject: New Version Notification for draft-mirsky-bfd-mpls-demand-01.txt To: Gregory Mirsky A new version of I-D, draft-mirsky-bfd-mpls-demand-01.txt has been successfully submitted by Greg Mirsky and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-mirsky-bfd-mpls-demand Revision: 01 Title: BFD in Demand Mode over Point-to-Point MPLS LSP Document date: 2017-06-28 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 5 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-mirsky-bfd-mpls-d emand-01.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mirsky-bfd-mpls-dema nd/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mirsky-bfd-mpls-demand-01 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-mirsky-bfd-mpls -demand-01 Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-mirsky-bfd-mpls-dem and-01 Abstract: This document describes procedures for using Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) in Demand mode to detect data plane failures in Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) point-to-point Label Switched Paths. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Dear All,
the update addresses comment from Mankamana = Mishra.
The draft discusses use of BFD in Demand mode over p2p MP= LS LSP.
Your comments, questions, and suggestions are always welc= ome and greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Gr= eg

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=C2=A0 =C2=A0Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) point-to-point Label Swit= ched
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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 16:22:48 -0000 On 29 Jun 2017, at 2:28, Ruediger.Geib@telekom.de wrote: > Hi Pete, > > thanks for proposing to make this an Applicability Statement, BCP or > standard. > > I don't object, but if the status of this draft is supposed to be > changed, my chairs and AD need to support this. Bruno and Alvaro, > what's your view on Pete's proposal? We may have to invest some more > time and text then. I personally don't object to "informational" as an > aim, but if that means removing major parts of the content, I'd be > rather unhappy. Thanks for considering this. IMO, I don't see why doing this as PS would require removing anything; lots of PSs have informational content in them. > Pete, also Alvaro gave us a routing AD review on Friday, 16. June (and > he had comments). Bruno's shephard review as part of the WG Last Call > resulted in better structuring and definitions in the document. So > far, no AD or reviewer "tends to ignore [this] Informational "use > case" document". You’re the third AD to comment and ask for changes > (and I recall to have had serious AD and IESG reviews with other > informationals). Oh, I didn't mean to say that serious reviews of Informational docs didn't happen; it quite often does. But the bar is lower, and I know for myself (both as a participant and as an AD) that sometimes I would skip reading a particular document because I had run out of time and "it was only going for Informational", or see something that I didn't like in a Informational document and say, "Well, it's only going for Informational, so I'm not going to cause too much of a fuss". For a document that is actually a consensus specification of an IETF WG, that shouldn't be allowed to happen; everybody should be aware that this document should get the full scrutiny of a standards-track document. > Regards, > > Ruediger Cheers, pr > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Pete Resnick [mailto:presnick@qti.qualcomm.com] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Juni 2017 20:31 > An: gen-art@ietf.org > Cc: spring@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org; > draft-ietf-spring-oam-usecase.all@ietf.org > Betreff: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-spring-oam-usecase-06 > > Reviewer: Pete Resnick > Review result: Not Ready > > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area > Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by > the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like > any other last call comments. > > For more information, please see the FAQ at > > . > > Document: draft-ietf-spring-oam-usecase-06 > Reviewer: Pete Resnick > Review Date: 2017-06-28 > IETF LC End Date: 2017-06-30 > IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat > > Summary: Not Ready for publication as Informational, but might be > Ready for publication as Proposed Standard > > Major issues: > > This is an admittedly unusual review. I have read through the entire > document, and the technical work seems fine, but is well beyond my > technical expertise, so I can't really comment on the technical > correctness. However, it is absolutely clear to me that this is *not* > a "use case" document at all and I don't think it's appropriate as an > Informational document. This is clearly a > *specification* of a path monitoring system. It gives guidances as to > required, recommended, and optional parameters, and specifies how to > use different protocol pieces. It is at the very least what RFC 2026 > refers to as an "Applicability Statement (AS)" (see RFC 2026, sec. > 3.2). It *might* be a BCP, but it is not strictly giving "common > guidelines for policies and operations" > (2026, sec. 5), so I don't really think that's right, and instead this > should be offered for Proposed Standard. Either way, I think > Informational is not correct. Importantly, I think there is a good > likelihood that this document has not received the appropriate amount > of review; people tend to ignore Informational "use case" documents, > and there have been no Last Call comments beyond Joel's RTG Area > Review. Even in IESG review, an Informational document only takes the > sponsoring AD to approve; every other AD can summarily ignore the > document, or even ballot ABSTAIN, and the document will still be > published (though that does not normally happen). This document should > have much more than that level of review. I strongly recommend to the > WG and AD that this document be withdrawn as an Informational document > and resubmitted for Proposed Standard and have that level of review > and scrutiny applied to it. > > Minor issues: > > None. > > Nits/editorial comments: > > This document refers to RFC 4379, which has been obsoleted by RFC > 8029. It seems like the references should be updated. -- Pete Resnick Qualcomm Technologies, Inc. - +1 (858)651-4478 From nobody Thu Jun 29 10:56:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: spring@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A5E6129B47 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 10:56:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eBZ18JslebXE for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 10:56:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pf0-x243.google.com (mail-pf0-x243.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 24150129B23 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 10:56:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf0-x243.google.com with SMTP id d5so14042651pfe.1 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 10:56:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id:thread-topic:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1/0eoIZiTnpx2OvHkiEMFIQk9J24ir5HQ1kmJDCX8Y0=; b=pJVsxkblgk2e7Uw8BfgqX2dce+YBTsZT8gUEccyCJlMI3zo0baGY9nszWxVJS5JHdU IGeSetzoNs7x6iF173ckJG2j+0oQiC2tHNXQisARuknxUNY7XKBexDm4OLOCHvB3xUkr BETxqEwZUB26MmhD1bcZu4bVFxxT/uz9LNjF2XkjPj2DD3ahaMuPCjTMHiP0adsREL4V IoK1JHu3yOdlzc8LbVoWHiexBPsClSyvUEffclb8nz0mgjsaSODY1o9ZRXHTLS1bW/DJ DgAyKxjGNqrYDePEw300dtcZuAQH4JFnVmfNI5exx45RBIuvLsa6TtWgJyLLD+rIRVU9 PecA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id :thread-topic:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=1/0eoIZiTnpx2OvHkiEMFIQk9J24ir5HQ1kmJDCX8Y0=; b=VLWHNwXRR9ssFAv9cZD5+eBg7ex8CdhDH8vdlNu1yhiNq1QPmBC+7tyzfANPaBgv71 LNfbt6OvfL7Ue83+sDmH1bXErt4IgU/lbNlNz0SDw7vq6ExKDEd9NKnhamXmo98sgfLz nknCJC5f0crVqK7PD0NDdDxClWI/5I9AZoaMyPr/LG2/4CA6sXM97Abiv4xOCcqjeXI1 A3FztLzdtufDYCC9O963G149T7NY6vVNoSSpf4WLPni26/KMdv1pItP+swk1J37H6MqO t8wRpZP59hcFKwXQ0WK7dJcz41yZKathC6dNYFC2OrA5cWLkeeyS8An9oLzxmsxjbxth EraA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKS2vOzJudBS+/YdttsHkvbE0uf7/dvcTWhr7PhwmrsLXxwdtEPqHmxs vAizS/4U+jN09Q== X-Received: by 10.99.160.109 with SMTP id u45mr16643695pgn.138.1498758985645; Thu, 29 Jun 2017 10:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.252.172] (107-1-141-74-ip-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. 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<149883201392.4666.499169365560986574@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 07:13:33 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [spring] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-spring-oam-usecase-06 X-BeenThere: spring@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Stacked Tunnels for Source Routing \(STATUS\)." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 14:13:34 -0000 Reviewer: Joel Jaeggli Review result: Has Nits I have reviewed draft-ietf-spring-oam-usecase-06 as par of the OPS directorate review cycle forIETF last call. In general I think this document is ready to go however I have a couple of concerns that should probably at least be discussed prior to IESG review. >From my vantage point the document is not so much a description of a use case or requirements as it is the architectural wrapper around draft-ietf-mpls-spring-lsp-ping. It's most helpful in my opinion to review this one as though the other one was the companion document, from this vantage point I think the later document is effectively normatively referenced. Similarly the readiness of the later document (which is a bit earlier in it's lifecycle) raises the question of whether this one is ready to go. in the security considerations section the document notes: As mentioned in the introduction, a PMS monitoring packet should never leave the domain where it originated. It therefore should never use stale MPLS or IGP routing information. I think is is more accurate to say: Use of stale MPLS or IGP routing information could cause a PMS monitoring packet to leave the domain where it originated. PMS monitoring packets should not be sent using stale MPLS or IGP routing information. As it is necessary to know that the information is stale is order to follow the instruction, as is the case with for example convergence events that may be ongoing at the time of diagnostic measurement.