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From owner-tcp-impl@lerc.nasa.gov  Sat Nov  4 10:25:10 2000
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Hi,

does anybody know how well spread the implementation of rfc1337 (TIME-WAIT
assasination hazards) is? I know that FreeBSD 4.1 has it, and it seems as
if Linux 2.2 has support for it as well (configurable through a sysctl).  

/adam

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HI, anyone knows how to programme using Vtoolsd?


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When the TCP on the server side receives a SYN during the three way
handshake
the listen (...) command will allocate a buffer and place the IP address
and port number of the client sending the SYN into the buffer
What data structure should be used to create this buffer in case of BSD
implemenations?

thanks
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On Sat, Nov 04, 2000 at 02:01:41PM +0100, Adam Dunkels wrote:

hi,

I don't think it is widespread - it is not a standard.  I did
implement it as a compiler option on our stack.  It's a small
change.

Is there any interest in moving RFC 1337 onto the standards track?

Of course, there are wider issues with RSTs. I am putting together
a web page with references like RFC 1337.

cheers
ian
  

> Hi,
> 
> does anybody know how well spread the implementation of rfc1337 (TIME-WAIT
> assasination hazards) is? I know that FreeBSD 4.1 has it, and it seems as
> if Linux 2.2 has support for it as well (configurable through a sysctl).  
> 
> /adam
> 
> --
> Adam Dunkels <adam@sics.se>
> http://www.sics.se/~adam
> 



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  *> hi,
  *> 
  *> I don't think it is widespread - it is not a standard.  I did
  *> implement it as a compiler option on our stack.  It's a small
  *> change.
  *> 
  *> Is there any interest in moving RFC 1337 onto the standards track?
  *> 
  *> Of course, there are wider issues with RSTs. I am putting together
  *> a web page with references like RFC 1337.
  *> 
  *> cheers
  *> ian
  *>   

Ian,

I am unsure what is meant by "implement 1337".  The RFC describes 3
different possible solutions and only barely recommends one of them.
It was intended as a request for comments, not a proposal for a
particular fix.

Regards,

Bob Braden

  *> 
  *> > Hi,
  *> > 
  *> > does anybody know how well spread the implementation of rfc1337 (TIME-WAIT
  *> > assasination hazards) is? I know that FreeBSD 4.1 has it, and it seems as
  *> > if Linux 2.2 has support for it as well (configurable through a sysctl).  
  *> > 
  *> > /adam
  *> > 
  *> > --
  *> > Adam Dunkels <adam@sics.se>
  *> > http://www.sics.se/~adam
  *> > 
  *> 
  *> 


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hi Bob,

I meant the fix of ignoring RSTs in TIME-WAIT, which I
assume FreeBSD 4.1 has done.  As you say, it was a discussion 
document and not intended for standardisation. 

cheers
ian

On Fri, Nov 10, 2000 at 07:31:14AM -0800, Bob Braden wrote:
> 
>   *> hi,
>   *> 
>   *> I don't think it is widespread - it is not a standard.  I did
>   *> implement it as a compiler option on our stack.  It's a small
>   *> change.
>   *> 
>   *> Is there any interest in moving RFC 1337 onto the standards track?
>   *> 
>   *> Of course, there are wider issues with RSTs. I am putting together
>   *> a web page with references like RFC 1337.
>   *> 
>   *> cheers
>   *> ian
>   *>   
> 
> Ian,
> 
> I am unsure what is meant by "implement 1337".  The RFC describes 3
> different possible solutions and only barely recommends one of them.
> It was intended as a request for comments, not a proposal for a
> particular fix.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Bob Braden
> 
>   *> 
>   *> > Hi,
>   *> > 
>   *> > does anybody know how well spread the implementation of rfc1337 (TIME-WAIT
>   *> > assasination hazards) is? I know that FreeBSD 4.1 has it, and it seems as
>   *> > if Linux 2.2 has support for it as well (configurable through a sysctl).  
>   *> > 
>   *> > /adam
>   *> > 
>   *> > --
>   *> > Adam Dunkels <adam@sics.se>
>   *> > http://www.sics.se/~adam
>   *> > 
>   *> 
>   *> 

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Ian Heavens wrote:
> 
> hi Bob,
> 
> I meant the fix of ignoring RSTs in TIME-WAIT, which I
> assume FreeBSD 4.1 has done.  As you say, it was a discussion
> document and not intended for standardisation.

Seems like it would be a BCP, not Standards-Track.
However, I'm with Bob in that such a BCP would need
to have a stronger conclusion.

That might motivate us to move forward, so our doc(s)
might move to BCP...

Joe


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> When the TCP on the server side receives a SYN during the three way
> handshake the listen (...) command will allocate a buffer and place
> the IP address and port number of the client sending the SYN into the
> buffer

Since you mention listen(), I assume you're talking about the BSD
socket API.  (TCP and the socket API are orthogonal to one another;
neither one implies the other.)

And in that case, your description is somewhat confused.  listen()
ensures that the socket will accept connections; it doesn't place
anything from an incoming SYN anywhere - listen() is called before the
incoming SYN arrives.

> What data structure should be used to create this buffer in case of
> BSD implemenations?

I'm not sure what you're asking here.  Your use of "should" implies
that there is choice, which means you must be talking about userland
code, since the kernel code either does or doesn't use any particular
structure - there is no "should" for it.  And if you're talking about a
userland buffer for the peer address, then *none* of the socket calls
will allocate it; it is passed as an argument to the various calls that
use it (accept(), getpeername(), etc).

The most plausible explanation that comes to mind is that you meant
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"struct sockaddr", and you should use the AF-specific struct
appropriate to the AF of the socket (probably struct sockaddr_in,
corresponding to AF_INET).

Also, in this case, your question contains an inaccuracy; accept() does
not return until the three-way handshake has been completed, rather
than doing anything when the first SYN arrives.

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