From Jeff.Hodges@KingsMountain.com Tue Jan 3 13:18:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8586E11E809D for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 13:18:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.963 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.963 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.557, BAYES_20=-0.74, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kRaqa9dE+aZa for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 13:18:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.8]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D685B11E8099 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 13:18:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 29593 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jan 2012 21:17:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box514.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.114) by oproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2012 21:17:57 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kingsmountain.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=Wl3AXbnjslZH7AWNgQHaifQzm5+VcF0+ezy9DpG4pVs=; b=V0aZgSlOsJU9HKoKpusNHuKtWNDqtqrC/jvkYkoIJ/rbxXOPInQPAI+NPwjGG8gbA22W6LLexMcwVIQWGBiCqOWEJ1wWB1gW7RpVXv7pJrIEMlG7FEik8hI/FcMHWByP; Received: from c-24-4-122-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net ([24.4.122.173] helo=[192.168.11.18]) by box514.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RiBk5-0001eo-34 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 14:17:57 -0700 Message-ID: <4F037083.1050708@KingsMountain.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 13:17:55 -0800 From: =JeffH User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111108 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF Tools List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {11025:box514.bluehost.com:kingsmou:kingsmountain.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.4.122.173 authed with jeff.hodges+kingsmountain.com} Subject: [Tools-discuss] online rfcdiff bug: no diff when file 1 a URI and file 2 is uploaded X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 21:18:19 -0000 online rfcdiff bug: no diff when file 1 a URI and file 2 is uploaded: using: https://www.ietf.org/tools/rfcdiff/ ( version 0.11) for file 1, "enter URL" -- fill in with known-good URI for an RFC or I-D for file 2, "Upload file:" -- browse & select local known-good file click on "Generate diff" Results: an overlying dialog is rendered containing message "File 1 seems to be empty." and an [OK] button. is now in location bar. Click OK. Rendered view remains denoted as , and differs from primarily in that the left sidebar is absent. yields similar results except that the URI in location bar remains static. tested in Firefox 7 and Chrome 16 with same results. HTH, =JeffH From Jeff.Hodges@KingsMountain.com Tue Jan 10 11:39:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0421921F8816 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 11:39:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -98.597 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.597 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.409, BAYES_05=-1.11, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G3aXghgX9ztb for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 11:39:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy3.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4744321F8815 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 11:39:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 26926 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jan 2012 19:39:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box514.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.114) by oproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2012 19:39:16 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kingsmountain.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=P9fAwBIIJp4CrAEghdML4rqy3Pi0wtegXT130kkOgEs=; b=DkwG73FR0deKsQ+HEoFV/gKUXdAQySUBS+sgI9z0pDfWCdP1vaSudrAzN/GbwhLHcHKMdRHOJZgDp4YJdh9/q76XtmWBRG0JcdSUgBOoTxmPI2zw7u8hz9mocfph9ZJ5; Received: from outbound4.ebay.com ([216.113.168.128] helo=[10.244.136.101]) by box514.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RkhXQ-0005jT-JS for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:39:16 -0700 Message-ID: <4F0C93E2.6060301@KingsMountain.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 11:39:14 -0800 From: =JeffH User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111108 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF Tools List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {11025:box514.bluehost.com:kingsmou:kingsmountain.com} {sentby:smtp auth 216.113.168.128 authed with jeff.hodges+kingsmountain.com} Subject: [Tools-discuss] tools.ietf.org/html/rfc-index ? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:39:19 -0000 Is there html-ified rfc-index, a la the tools.ietf.org/html regime, whose links are to tools.ietf.org/html RFCs ? If not, as seems the case (tools.ietf.org/html/rfc-index 404's), it'd be pretty useful. There could be a link to it from , plus the "New RFCs" rfc-index blurbs that are listed on the latter view could be more fully html-ified. thanks, =JeffH From julian.reschke@gmx.de Tue Jan 10 11:49:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DBE021F8499 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 11:49:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.736 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.736 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.137, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tw2fmAlpObgB for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 11:49:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D20721F845D for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 11:49:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 10 Jan 2012 19:49:22 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.140]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp034) with SMTP; 10 Jan 2012 20:49:22 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX198twBzidx8J8PEu9H9jTdFA9YyjAWSgzfQ0+zg65 QZpuGqc2stE/6g Message-ID: <4F0C963F.4080703@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:49:19 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =JeffH References: <4F0C93E2.6060301@KingsMountain.com> In-Reply-To: <4F0C93E2.6060301@KingsMountain.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: IETF Tools List Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] tools.ietf.org/html/rfc-index ? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:49:28 -0000 On 2012-01-10 20:39, =JeffH wrote: > Is there html-ified rfc-index, a la the tools.ietf.org/html regime, > whose links are to tools.ietf.org/html RFCs ? > > If not, as seems the case (tools.ietf.org/html/rfc-index 404's), it'd be > pretty useful. There could be a link to it from > , plus the "New RFCs" rfc-index blurbs > that are listed on the latter view could be more fully html-ified. > > thanks, > ... That's very easy to do with XSLT based on the XML version of the RFC index; do you want to give it a try if I start with a simple (ugly) version for you to complete? From Jeff.Hodges@KingsMountain.com Tue Jan 10 12:02:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC87A1F0C41 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:02:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.546 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.546 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.949, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b7oU4eBHoxjr for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:02:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy3.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C0E121F8826 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:02:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21335 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jan 2012 20:02:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box514.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.114) by oproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2012 20:02:01 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kingsmountain.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=Q02ERPjRJz2kqcsKi4LLmk+5tj13RxCctlYvruyYjlk=; b=fPSErjnnVE+RvtrQFzjr5VwGW+qJ3CqdshX0rz5x48cC4i0ilOsD5M90lfVigTDHe6/OqBKBpX5yKYQBHlbgUH1oTem1ucjj3ZouH0y/DEPfnI9l1MWKr9ikguESs0s3; Received: from outbound4.ebay.com ([216.113.168.128] helo=[10.244.136.101]) by box514.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RkhtR-0005hR-3K for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 13:02:01 -0700 Message-ID: <4F0C9937.1010905@KingsMountain.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:01:59 -0800 From: =JeffH User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111108 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF Tools List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {11025:box514.bluehost.com:kingsmou:kingsmountain.com} {sentby:smtp auth 216.113.168.128 authed with jeff.hodges+kingsmountain.com} Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] tools.ietf.org/html/rfc-index ? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:02:06 -0000 Julian replied.. > On 2012-01-10 20:39, =JeffH wrote: >> Is there html-ified rfc-index, a la the tools.ietf.org/html regime, >> whose links are to tools.ietf.org/html RFCs ? >> >> If not, as seems the case (tools.ietf.org/html/rfc-index 404's), it'd be >> pretty useful. There could be a link to it from >> , plus the "New RFCs" rfc-index blurbs >> that are listed on the latter view could be more fully html-ified. >> >> thanks, >> ... > > That's very easy to do with XSLT based on the XML version of the RFC > index; ah, good idea. > do you want to give it a try if I start with a simple (ugly) > version for you to complete? don't have cycles to hack on xslt at the moment unfortunately thanks, =JeffH From stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie Tue Jan 10 14:29:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42FA721F84FD; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:29:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rtiu35wNpNQr; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:29:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from scss.tcd.ie (hermes.cs.tcd.ie [IPv6:2001:770:10:200:889f:cdff:fe8d:ccd2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7271E21F84F8; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:29:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id A91CA171CB8; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 22:29:46 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.tcd.ie; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:in-reply-to:references :subject:mime-version:user-agent:from:date:message-id:received :received:x-virus-scanned; s=cs; t=1326234586; bh=YK0EsNF1zYy7It r+q4D2JfvNlWoJgcuUKJJjglG7sYs=; b=ivLHGF736Ll58QNrYieqviS1lFdR8g 06a2+YFhww+M8nJUS3BweTTbFMdexMReGGmcRQhvRn1cUh8SEH/YHXErcev4NXMN d8FmscjyBQ6iAzLqbBPR/wwec55kfoM7VqtJB8zNkPD4xd8woHWHyJ0NWFNmax7y fi4d+mWmsiXVW95wjTMXuJym4X4OHOvMNhI5g4oElIxI33X1YghGmEbV1R9sXb+J tY8IJZjes/7kt7fX+JWPaNRcbOhPbAVwfihD7/NZgKYCD2Lc98M+AyrgkpwFYJDM msXwM1hhZmz5gg32BUYDptb8jdKnaRmJo82c7MDbYAxPxOKMTD1Nu6Ug== X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie Received: from scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id iQ-ZczyPJfUD; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 22:29:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.87.48.10] (unknown [86.46.27.243]) by smtp.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 41A3A171C05; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 22:29:46 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4F0CBBD9.7030507@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 22:29:45 +0000 From: Stephen Farrell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TechSupport via RT References: In-Reply-To: X-Forwarded-Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Turner, Sean P." , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: [Tools-discuss] list welcome mails (was: Fwd: Welcome to the "antitrust-policy" mailing list) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 22:29:52 -0000 I just subscribed to this new list. I've not seen JavaScript in outbound mail before and am not sure that's the best idea for us really if that's what this is trying to do. It also doesn't render very well in my MUA (just as seen below). Anyone know what's up? S. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Welcome to the "antitrust-policy" mailing list Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:26:38 -0800 From: antitrust-policy-request@ietf.org To: stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie Welcome to the antitrust-policy@ietf.org mailing list! 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[130.216.38.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q15sm48959654anm.4.2012.01.10.17.51.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:51:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F0CEB1B.3010102@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:51:23 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Farrell References: <4F0CBBD9.7030507@cs.tcd.ie> In-Reply-To: <4F0CBBD9.7030507@cs.tcd.ie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Turner, Sean P." , IETF TechSupport via RT , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] list welcome mails X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 01:51:33 -0000 This is presumably a configuration bug in mailman. It never used to do this. Regards Brian On 2012-01-11 11:29, Stephen Farrell wrote: > > I just subscribed to this new list. I've not seen JavaScript > in outbound mail before and am not sure that's the best idea > for us really if that's what this is trying to do. It also > doesn't render very well in my MUA (just as seen below). > > Anyone know what's up? > > S. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Welcome to the "antitrust-policy" mailing list > Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:26:38 -0800 > From: antitrust-policy-request@ietf.org > To: stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie > > Welcome to the antitrust-policy@ietf.org mailing list! 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Such statements include oral statements in IETF > sessions, as well as written and electronic communications made at any > time or place, which are addressed to: > > The IETF plenary session > The IESG, or any member thereof on behalf of the IESG > Any IETF mailing list, including the IETF list itself, any working > group or design team list, or any other list functioning under IETF > auspices > Any IETF working group or portion thereof > Any Birds of a Feather (BOF) session > The IAB or any member thereof on behalf of the IAB > The RFC Editor or the Internet-Drafts function > ... > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie Tue Jan 10 17:58:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA4111E80BD for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:58:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xDNM8us7MhhX for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:58:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from scss.tcd.ie (hermes.cs.tcd.ie [IPv6:2001:770:10:200:889f:cdff:fe8d:ccd2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92CAE11E80B5 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:58:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D428171CB8; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 01:58:27 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.tcd.ie; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:in-reply-to:references :subject:mime-version:user-agent:from:date:message-id:received :received:x-virus-scanned; s=cs; t=1326247106; bh=u3XCapV24WkI46 dxj/k1f8I9QTZE2qb7Yz1Jj2Auzv8=; b=VCVaoj4pALVm1OM/gB1DhcJLuorCeS QrhgwamnebYGmkhKgmLnsHdd7l+rBhjRv3ntuBNTcp1vBdMPfwmrsDbt7Rg7oc/l PAuspu6D4cjJ3LemwOPSr8YGsMv5PXY/gdiVcK8sgRCzODyuOldDMNt3LcTCv9GA /PCGJ9Y1OCVEA4D8El1zPjWruMoF1gnRvuvstKNxyJnGYFjuHBIeWM6SY3Nbm0d1 jx5X6hrJ1B/DDPazk4bmHvbx+2a3GTPZCPAJWhE0cmMW/VB6UqMrsXYcvhST/iiB McRaKbTY+enHjwusDaz15Eo4C64Ulyd66B+CmAFaKeBRKn77AimlxhLA== X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie Received: from scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id AtItnZJov7Wz; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 01:58:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.87.48.10] (unknown [86.46.27.243]) by smtp.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 908F9171C05; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 01:58:25 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4F0CECC0.3000903@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 01:58:24 +0000 From: Stephen Farrell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian E Carpenter , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <4F0CBBD9.7030507@cs.tcd.ie> <4F0CEB1B.3010102@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4F0CEB1B.3010102@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] list welcome mails X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 01:58:30 -0000 Yep, cut'n'paste error only. Steve young replied a few minutes after the original mail. Problem should be gone now. S On 01/11/2012 01:51 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > This is presumably a configuration bug in mailman. It never used > to do this. > > Regards > Brian > > On 2012-01-11 11:29, Stephen Farrell wrote: >> >> I just subscribed to this new list. I've not seen JavaScript >> in outbound mail before and am not sure that's the best idea >> for us really if that's what this is trying to do. It also >> doesn't render very well in my MUA (just as seen below). >> >> Anyone know what's up? >> >> S. >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Welcome to the "antitrust-policy" mailing list >> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:26:38 -0800 >> From: antitrust-policy-request@ietf.org >> To: stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie >> >> Welcome to the antitrust-policy@ietf.org mailing list! Logo >> >> transparent chat button >> Home >> About the IETF >> Mission >> Standards Process >> Note Well >> NomCom >> Info for Newcomers >> Internet-Drafts >> Datatracker >> Search >> Submit >> RFC Pages >> Search RFC Ed Index >> RFC Editor Queue >> IANA Pages >> Protocol Parameters >> Working Groups >> WG Charters >> Email Lists >> WG Chairs' Page >> Resources >> Community Tools >> Tools Team Pages >> Wikis >> Meetings >> Upcoming Meetings >> Interim Meetings >> Important Dates >> Proceedings >> Mailing Lists >> Announcement Lists >> Discussion Lists >> Non-WG Lists >> IESG >> Announcements >> Statements >> Members >> Minutes >> IPR >> IPR Policy >> File a Disclosure >> Disclosure Search >> Liaisons >> Liaison Statements >> Liaison Managers >> Contact >> IETF Secretariat® >> Legal Matters >> Report Web Site Errors >> Customize View >> Brief >> Normal >> Extended >> Advanced >> (Requires Javascript) >> >> >> >> Note Well >> >> Any submission to the IETF intended by the Contributor for publication >> as all or part of an IETF Internet-Draft or RFC and any statement made >> within the context of an IETF activity is considered an "IETF >> Contribution". Such statements include oral statements in IETF >> sessions, as well as written and electronic communications made at any >> time or place, which are addressed to: >> >> The IETF plenary session >> The IESG, or any member thereof on behalf of the IESG >> Any IETF mailing list, including the IETF list itself, any working >> group or design team list, or any other list functioning under IETF >> auspices >> Any IETF working group or portion thereof >> Any Birds of a Feather (BOF) session >> The IAB or any member thereof on behalf of the IAB >> The RFC Editor or the Internet-Drafts function >> ... >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> > From henrik@levkowetz.com Wed Jan 11 04:57:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 960C421F866E for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:57:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lx5PxLmL5rRF for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:57:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31::14]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A43A21F852F for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 04:57:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:63128 helo=brunello.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Rkxk9-0001Ak-Na; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:57:30 +0100 Message-ID: <4F0D8738.9070801@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:57:28 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =JeffH References: <4F0C93E2.6060301@KingsMountain.com> In-Reply-To: <4F0C93E2.6060301@KingsMountain.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: Jeff.Hodges@KingsMountain.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:57:07 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: IETF Tools List Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] tools.ietf.org/html/rfc-index ? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:57:40 -0000 Hi Jeff, On 2012-01-10 20:39 =JeffH said: > Is there html-ified rfc-index, a la the tools.ietf.org/html regime, whose links > are to tools.ietf.org/html RFCs ? There's http://tools.ietf.org/rfc/, which has existed for a long time. I just put up a new page too, http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfcs, which is more in the style of http://tools.ietf.org/html/ > If not, as seems the case (tools.ietf.org/html/rfc-index 404's), it'd be pretty > useful. There could be a link to it from, plus > the "New RFCs" rfc-index blurbs that are listed on the latter view could be > more fully html-ified. I'll look at fixing that next. Best regards, Henrik From fred@cisco.com Wed Jan 18 13:01:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C4D21F84F7; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 13:01:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.414 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.414 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.185, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9JpOU2rn2pDb; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 13:01:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtv-iport-1.cisco.com (mtv-iport-1.cisco.com [173.36.130.12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD08521F84F6; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 13:01:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; l=857; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1326920474; x=1328130074; h=subject:mime-version:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id: references:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=S5dNiyOxVrWnw73LCuLZVNX5aV5YUJNWJ3fDx7xsDJI=; b=kpjW0sM2g7OTZSa13yjaEGJ4yBikTyf++oS8DOgQQKOsN1PIr520WUlo O7iL8IYyvaTEfOpEBPfO53QcBJ+hGhYuKiqyspABhNddFf91yrqRWDRks fUJO8Z3kXcJo+35UcUCjriaMLBPILmpkYIAPJa84rFL7R8ub6+Wr8hiNE 8=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EAMQxF0+rRDoI/2dsb2JhbABErEiBAoEFgXIBAQEDARIBJz8FCwsuARdXBjWHWAiaUgGeUokEFxUHBwQJBQEFCQkCAgEBDQUEEQUBBgEBBgEFFxUBAgEBAgMDAQEBAQIHEAUOJgxEEAULgUV8AYI8YwSIO4xZhVWNFA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,531,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="24346902" Received: from mtv-core-3.cisco.com ([171.68.58.8]) by mtv-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 18 Jan 2012 21:01:14 +0000 Received: from stealth-10-32-244-220.cisco.com (stealth-10-32-244-220.cisco.com [10.32.244.220]) by mtv-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q0IL1DYB017394; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:01:14 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by stealth-10-32-244-220.cisco.com (PGP Universal service); Wed, 18 Jan 2012 13:01:13 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by stealth-10-32-244-220.cisco.com on Wed, 18 Jan 2012 13:01:13 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Fred Baker In-Reply-To: <4F17169F.5070509@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 13:00:44 -0800 Message-Id: <5215525E-029B-4833-8366-5FDFB85AEFCF@cisco.com> References: , <6.2.5.6.2.20111223121406.09013e60@elandnews.com>, <4F17169F.5070509@gmail.com> To: Tom Taylor X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Working Group Chairs , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Updating of Datatracker E-mail aliases X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:01:15 -0000 On Jan 18, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Tom Taylor wrote: > I recently changed my E-mail address. Thanks to the global change = interface at >=20 > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options// >=20 > (login required per our monthly reminder E-mails), it was quick and = easy to change my address for all the lists to which I am subscribed. = I've also updated my address when submitting updates to the drafts I'm = working on. However, the Datatracker E-mail aliases for those drafts = still seem to reflect my old address, and I'm now failing to receive = messages from ADs or the system relating to them. >=20 > Is this a process glitch? >=20 > Tom Taylor Copying tools-discuss@. The datatracker.ietf.org and tools.ietf.org are = different systems with different databases. Sounds like an API glitch = between them.= From henrik@levkowetz.com Thu Jan 19 07:20:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E5621F85D6; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 07:20:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.85 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.85 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.250, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j54SYsk2gRaG; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 07:20:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31::14]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B1321F85C2; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 07:20:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:49963 helo=brunello.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1RntmN-0004Zs-3t; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:19:57 +0100 Message-ID: <4F183499.5080705@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 16:19:53 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fred Baker References: , <6.2.5.6.2.20111223121406.09013e60@elandnews.com>, <4F17169F.5070509@gmail.com> <5215525E-029B-4833-8366-5FDFB85AEFCF@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <5215525E-029B-4833-8366-5FDFB85AEFCF@cisco.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: fred@cisco.com, tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com, wgchairs@ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:57:07 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Working Group Chairs , Tools Team Discussion , Tom Taylor Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Updating of Datatracker E-mail aliases X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:20:10 -0000 Hi Tom, Fred, On 2012-01-18 22:00 Fred Baker said: > > On Jan 18, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Tom Taylor wrote: > >> I recently changed my E-mail address. Thanks to the global change interface at >> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options// >> >> (login required per our monthly reminder E-mails), it was quick and easy to change my address for all the lists to which I am subscribed. I've also updated my address when submitting updates to the drafts I'm working on. However, the Datatracker E-mail aliases for those drafts still seem to reflect my old address, and I'm now failing to receive messages from ADs or the system relating to them. >> >> Is this a process glitch? >> >> Tom Taylor > > Copying tools-discuss@. The datatracker.ietf.org and tools.ietf.org are different systems with different databases. Sounds like an API glitch between them. There's no coupling from email changes for the Mailman lists and email changes for drafts in general. I've checked the draft alias list, and for a number of drafts, the aliases reflect the new , but there are still some where the old address is present. I've now added an entry to my fixup-table so that on the next generation of the alias list the old address will be replaced with the new one. Best regards, Henrik From Jeff.Hodges@KingsMountain.com Wed Jan 25 14:31:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A83E11E80CD for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:31:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.044 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.044 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.963, BAYES_40=-0.185, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P0dlAjgJdKtn for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:31:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy5.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a5]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6CA8711E80B9 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:31:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11285 invoked by uid 0); 25 Jan 2012 22:31:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box514.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.114) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2012 22:31:00 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kingsmountain.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=pE0jPf+X3EAkXwv8C7l4dwVDVuArMrOpGPm29F71V78=; b=NiJpw2o0zb74/IBrqG39iSpLBwEdNe2Xx+nSIoqoDnQy7BYSDN/Z6LSmEXg6QCmJfePTYHSfIH6tgjpiU9TmAKVk1R0p8UCOBnaJJ/tOFgMfKVapypgR+q3jDaTJzjab; Received: from outbound4.ebay.com ([216.113.168.128] helo=[10.244.136.101]) by box514.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RqBMn-0001qO-Fz; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:30:57 -0700 Message-ID: <4F2082A0.50701@KingsMountain.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:30:56 -0800 From: =JeffH User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111108 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {11025:box514.bluehost.com:kingsmou:kingsmountain.com} {sentby:smtp auth 216.113.168.128 authed with jeff.hodges+kingsmountain.com} Cc: IETF Tools List Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] tools.ietf.org/html/rfc-index ? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 22:31:02 -0000 > On 2012-01-10 20:39 =JeffH said: >> Is there html-ified rfc-index, a la the tools.ietf.org/html regime, whose links >> are to tools.ietf.org/html RFCs ? > > There's http://tools.ietf.org/rfc/, which has existed for a long time. oh, ok, thanks, that's pretty much what I was looking for but couldn't find. > I just > put up a new page too, http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfcs, which is more in the > style of http://tools.ietf.org/html/ but both of those lack links for obsoletes, obsoleted by, updates -- thus the former meets my particular needs better (fwiw). > >> If not, as seems the case (tools.ietf.org/html/rfc-index 404's), it'd be pretty >> useful. There could be a link to it from, plus >> the "New RFCs" rfc-index blurbs that are listed on the latter view could be >> more fully html-ified. > > I'll look at fixing that next. cool, thanks again, =JeffH From Jeff.Hodges@KingsMountain.com Wed Jan 25 14:40:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D198E21F857A for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:40:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.796 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.796 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_SUB_6CONS_WORD=0.356, SARE_SUB_8CONS_WORD=0.36, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bFnlgm5z0CWc for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:40:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy8.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a8]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3FCEE21F8577 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:40:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16291 invoked by uid 0); 25 Jan 2012 22:40:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box514.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.114) by oproxy8.bluehost.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2012 22:40:42 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kingsmountain.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=0t+fk9V4WpXgxnUs2uP6M/OynkNO2drViveZ2d8ezJw=; b=VH4NWdIrvT08pHr4xl7LgqRNMz6cHq9M6HPbymXkE8ovo+V7BY9cEaoPJLjh4zWcwBZGfEAbaKjsIvCoitnZp5H889Z1H53vpHznYDi6YDp1LUtYLgqLbYBokRzz+zbE; Received: from outbound4.ebay.com ([216.113.168.128] helo=[10.244.136.101]) by box514.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RqBWE-0002GX-09 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:40:42 -0700 Message-ID: <4F2084EA.2000806@KingsMountain.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:40:42 -0800 From: =JeffH User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111108 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF Tools List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {11025:box514.bluehost.com:kingsmou:kingsmountain.com} {sentby:smtp auth 216.113.168.128 authed with jeff.hodges+kingsmountain.com} Subject: [Tools-discuss] xml2rfc.cgi: Invocation Error: unknown mode: htmlxslt X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 22:40:43 -0000 I tried out the "Advanced Conversions" at the bottom of the page, with the settings.. output mode: (via xslt) output format: ASCII checking: strict output result: window ..and received the following error page.. ### http://www1.xml.resource.org/cgi-bin/xml2rfc.cgi: Invocation Error unknown mode: htmlxslt ### this seems to be 100% repeatable, and occurs in Firefox and Chrome. =JeffH From henrik@levkowetz.com Thu Jan 26 02:42:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4984C21F86AD for ; 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Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =JeffH References: <4F2082A0.50701@KingsMountain.com> In-Reply-To: <4F2082A0.50701@KingsMountain.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: Jeff.Hodges@KingsMountain.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); Unknown failure Cc: IETF Tools List Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] tools.ietf.org/html/rfc-index ? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:42:57 -0000 Hi Jeff, On 2012-01-25 23:30 =JeffH said: ... > > I just > > put up a new page too, http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfcs, which is more in the > > style of http://tools.ietf.org/html/ > > but both of those lack links for obsoletes, obsoleted by, updates -- thus the > former meets my particular needs better (fwiw). Fixed. > > > >> If not, as seems the case (tools.ietf.org/html/rfc-index 404's), it'd be pretty > >> useful. There could be a link to it from, plus > >> the "New RFCs" rfc-index blurbs that are listed on the latter view could be > >> more fully html-ified. > > > > I'll look at fixing that next. Done. Best regards, Henrik From Jeff.Hodges@KingsMountain.com Thu Jan 26 16:56:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD75811E8075 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:56:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.153 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.153 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.342, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SezOJu3FlxMQ for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:56:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy5.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a5]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 62B6911E8072 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:56:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12214 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jan 2012 00:56:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box514.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.114) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2012 00:56:52 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kingsmountain.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=J4uX2akmRP0dDzxTycpfsA8+tLf/cYoq24mbXT3IQhY=; b=zoJs/LeFuXiPo8QBU9HiecERCz7+xX83D1bOhwdTREP+Zdv6PRQoU0F7GN2NGR+hEaKHuL7AMHXwMo83HU9q+KWznQstDRcYx+ylYb9XFBEf7KfLuM56cHLN4EL8esXE; Received: from outbound4.ebay.com ([216.113.168.128] helo=[10.244.136.101]) by box514.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Rqa7X-0008L9-V7; Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:56:52 -0700 Message-ID: <4F21F655.5090004@KingsMountain.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:56:53 -0800 From: =JeffH User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111108 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {11025:box514.bluehost.com:kingsmou:kingsmountain.com} {sentby:smtp auth 216.113.168.128 authed with jeff.hodges+kingsmountain.com} Cc: IETF Tools List Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] tools.ietf.org/html/rfc-index ? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:56:55 -0000 > On 2012-01-25 23:30 =JeffH said: > ... >> > I just >> > put up a new page too, http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfcs, which is more in the >> > style of http://tools.ietf.org/html/ >> >> but both of those lack links for obsoletes, obsoleted by, updates -- thus the >> former meets my particular needs better (fwiw). > > Fixed. cool, thx. >> >> If not, as seems the case (tools.ietf.org/html/rfc-index 404's), it'd be pretty >> >> useful. There could be a link to it from, plus >> >> the "New RFCs" rfc-index blurbs that are listed on the latter view could be >> >> more fully html-ified. >> > >> > I'll look at fixing that next. > > Done. thx again :) Some comments.. on https://tools.ietf.org/html/ : "(Full index pages to htmlized RFCs are available, too: plain, mini, 2-column.)" should perhaps be.. "(hypertext RFC indexes: traditional, mini, 2-column.)" Also, the page title for https://tools.ietf.org/rfc/ (i.e. traditional) is "RFC Mini-Index" -- perhaps it should be something else? HTH, =JeffH From julian.reschke@gmx.de Sun Jan 29 07:28:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EFEF21F8504 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 07:28:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.197 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.197 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.598, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lz5yfRMkbh49 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 07:28:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DACC621F84FB for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 07:28:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 Jan 2012 15:28:10 -0000 Received: from p3EE276D7.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.36]) [62.226.118.215] by mail.gmx.net (mp041) with SMTP; 29 Jan 2012 16:28:10 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19ob4opcUpop9koFM0XwmQK1jYAzEghc9PsrAXnHb 6NbdTBKvmK/bh0 Message-ID: <4F25657F.20103@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:27:59 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: [Tools-discuss] HTML as alternate format for IETF Internet-Draft Submission X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:28:20 -0000 ...is there a reason why the list of alternate formats does not include HTML? Best regards, Julian From brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com Sun Jan 29 11:18:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE6821F84F3 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:18:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.575 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.575 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.024, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pwcoaA9B448Z for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:18:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ey0-f172.google.com (mail-ey0-f172.google.com [209.85.215.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93FDF21F84D3 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:18:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by eaai12 with SMTP id i12so578061eaa.31 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:18:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=UbrpQSHH9+6FZvDVdVdOirUyIC2SQwta4XXLpsipOIg=; b=BMOs5kWkG0j/OTUvQPI3tKTnlSuwaah5otx67kBQeD6BPosOjWDqrp25yCiJYBmMIX cXKctHZv/ZagYUibVNkCeaGmCxc4njbYqGmxRWANJf/WPI5Aly2i6f/t4kkm3rqTZSFE +5F4gG7YuZuXW09FfaVfX3SYdBCrxHQoZnq/I= Received: by 10.213.32.148 with SMTP id c20mr2269593ebd.109.1327864734517; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:18:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.1.1.4] ([121.98.251.219]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e12sm62295186eea.5.2012.01.29.11.18.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:18:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F259B94.4090404@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 08:18:44 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke References: <4F25657F.20103@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4F25657F.20103@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] HTML as alternate format for IETF Internet-Draft Submission X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 19:18:56 -0000 On 2012-01-30 04:27, Julian Reschke wrote: > > > ...is there a reason why the list of alternate formats does not include > HTML? As far as I know there is no canonical HTML format for RFCs. Presonally I prefer what xml2rfc generates. Brian From julian.reschke@gmx.de Sun Jan 29 11:27:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B8121F84AF for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:27:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.162 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.162 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.563, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aIDJ5uokK3L1 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:27:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8C2AD21F84A5 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:27:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 Jan 2012 19:27:51 -0000 Received: from p3EE276D7.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.36]) [62.226.118.215] by mail.gmx.net (mp036) with SMTP; 29 Jan 2012 20:27:51 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/K3ss5Qg7KvpCrHidYjy/dEouId3K1s9/+2MSRwB dH7q110vXiuEmQ Message-ID: <4F259DB2.6040706@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:27:46 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian E Carpenter References: <4F25657F.20103@gmx.de> <4F259B94.4090404@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4F259B94.4090404@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] HTML as alternate format for IETF Internet-Draft Submission X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 19:27:53 -0000 On 2012-01-29 20:18, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > On 2012-01-30 04:27, Julian Reschke wrote: >> >> >> ...is there a reason why the list of alternate formats does not include >> HTML? > > As far as I know there is no canonical HTML format for RFCs. Well, there's none for PDF and PS but they are accepted. > Presonally I prefer what xml2rfc generates. I like xml2rfc as well, but I'd like to be able to point people to "the" HTML version generated by the author for review. Right now people host them on private pages, and that seems to be suboptimal. Best regards, Julian From nico@cryptonector.com Sun Jan 29 11:32:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1651E21F84D3 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:32:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.441 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.441 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.464, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, J_BACKHAIR_33=1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xxKIKCLgVNYp for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:32:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from homiemail-a85.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdcbhh.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.177]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A9B21F84C4 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:32:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from homiemail-a85.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a85.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C2CBC042 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:32:07 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cryptonector.com; h=mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc: content-type; q=dns; s=cryptonector.com; b=j9O4xpCRWXgB4lHVGhnKi YZcJZ/HHGN3xZApcntxTQYbmKN1x9bTw4wTc7xnarwSyYn1V0W6cMhG4rkjgZs2q D5Wdj+4ef3VDAvQYNPoUEG18kun0YrygGc64hVtSSEL2WNB15K5tldYRdp/sMxyx 6BEyo8sycIzI6mk9IMTIpg= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cryptonector.com; h= mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from :to:cc:content-type; s=cryptonector.com; bh=zkcq1+kU6PQHgeSglKQO WltRrOQ=; b=wYJ0u5mgM99UwhypSx1UOP8AKYzpETPQF8gQbRfwlii4AMIZh5cb dRQE/0vRYc7hey0zM7dvJJRF2LBoWZnLFBVIcL17iJYhO6+EneO5qKZGgjr+eVWa Pb5QI2OkxcoLWVDyezbBN7lRmLeiYulmwCM54BYjdIsYHXQaOWcmF18= Received: from mail-pz0-f44.google.com (mail-pz0-f44.google.com [209.85.210.44]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nico@cryptonector.com) by homiemail-a85.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 174DFBC041 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:32:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by dado14 with SMTP id o14so3514555dad.31 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:32:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.75.229 with SMTP id f5mr34783207pbw.110.1327865526555; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:32:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.138.133 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:32:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F259B94.4090404@gmail.com> References: <4F25657F.20103@gmx.de> <4F259B94.4090404@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:32:06 -0600 Message-ID: From: Nico Williams To: Brian E Carpenter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Julian Reschke , Tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] HTML as alternate format for IETF Internet-Draft Submission X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 19:32:08 -0000 On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > On 2012-01-30 04:27, Julian Reschke wrote: >> >> >> ...is there a reason why the list of alternate formats does not include >> HTML? > > As far as I know there is no canonical HTML format for RFCs. > > Presonally I prefer what xml2rfc generates. The canonical format is .txt. There's no canonical roff, HTML, PDF, PostScript or any other format. I don't mean to say that everyone should use xml2rfc -- I understand that some old I-Ds that are still around might pre-date xml2rfc, and not everyone enjoys editing documents in XML. But I don't see many alternatives -- perhaps a TeX<->XML? that would make LyX a viable I-D/RFC editor, which would be oh-so-neat. Or perhaps a set of macros for LyX that makes it output .txts that pass I-D nits. In any case, the current status quo works for me. Nico -- From julian.reschke@gmx.de Sun Jan 29 11:41:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B533B21F8495 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:41:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.64 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.64 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.041, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_BACKHAIR_33=1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AaDTJZvQyu7d for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:41:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id AA08021F846B for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:41:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 Jan 2012 19:41:29 -0000 Received: from p3EE276D7.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.36]) [62.226.118.215] by mail.gmx.net (mp004) with SMTP; 29 Jan 2012 20:41:29 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+PJCp0nAiPUMQmJKQ0xwXCvvc1NrcySHfTjRyi0/ acHCejQhaBHxDE Message-ID: <4F25A0E4.60107@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:41:24 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nico Williams References: <4F25657F.20103@gmx.de> <4F259B94.4090404@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] HTML as alternate format for IETF Internet-Draft Submission X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 19:41:32 -0000 On 2012-01-29 20:32, Nico Williams wrote: > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Brian E Carpenter > wrote: >> On 2012-01-30 04:27, Julian Reschke wrote: >>> >>> >>> ...is there a reason why the list of alternate formats does not include >>> HTML? >> >> As far as I know there is no canonical HTML format for RFCs. >> >> Presonally I prefer what xml2rfc generates. > > The canonical format is .txt. There's no canonical roff, HTML, PDF, > PostScript or any other format. I don't mean to say that everyone > should use xml2rfc -- I understand that some old I-Ds that are still > around might pre-date xml2rfc, and not everyone enjoys editing > documents in XML. But I don't see many alternatives -- perhaps a > TeX<->XML? that would make LyX a viable I-D/RFC editor, which would be > oh-so-neat. Or perhaps a set of macros for LyX that makes it output > .txts that pass I-D nits. > > In any case, the current status quo works for me. I just realized that I managed to confuse the list :-) Of course I don't want to promote publishing in custom HTML formats. xml2rfc's HTML output works, although I of course prefer what rfc2629.xslt generates. The proposal is about allowing the author to upload the generated HTML version so it has a public URI on the IETF site. Best regards, Julian From nico@cryptonector.com Sun Jan 29 12:18:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 917EE21F84AF for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:18:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.924 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.924 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.053, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VIhZd9latY31 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:18:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from homiemail-a30.g.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD7821F8495 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:18:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from homiemail-a30.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a30.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3670221DE59 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:18:28 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cryptonector.com; h=mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc: content-type; q=dns; s=cryptonector.com; b=uQ0mL/2kStCK4qBY+fKXK QHkZpg2xL7GfUV6NgOyQMjFxZAb0mkxNOINVN6EsNQEKbP8m8M+YEw8wbHQF4qAk QFAE8ZwRf7ZkIx2FZymHEHFRuGaBuIxyQEoVu+T659ezx82h0/Op6/LCypqJc3FV 8o2OE4z4ugNGBj5sNTrtmw= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cryptonector.com; h= mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from :to:cc:content-type; s=cryptonector.com; bh=J3rnFCTgSIbUkSw33aoz nP22OoM=; b=tVw56Q3LW1TTl4ddK8aHMbGNXsHeIu9IJbHgkNbuvlCVDom42e7D zHn/8fCHGyRXdVhD2huuf2FZ1vS55XCt9xIoId3/Ht7ZEwE7XSvhEJLtYfCET8I+ W13DucXE0kGFYa65TCDCB4cxfapLZLXPOC89A7aQDZ6qcjt+TcjYvd4= Received: from mail-pw0-f44.google.com (mail-pw0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nico@cryptonector.com) by homiemail-a30.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 139F021DE58 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:18:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by pbdu7 with SMTP id u7so3250709pbd.31 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:18:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.115.135 with SMTP id jo7mr35152680pbb.59.1327868307562; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:18:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.138.133 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:18:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F25A0E4.60107@gmx.de> References: <4F25657F.20103@gmx.de> <4F259B94.4090404@gmail.com> <4F25A0E4.60107@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:18:27 -0600 Message-ID: From: Nico Williams To: Julian Reschke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] HTML as alternate format for IETF Internet-Draft Submission X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:18:29 -0000 On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > The proposal is about allowing the author to upload the generated HTML > version so it has a public URI on the IETF site. IMO if you want HTML then submit .xml and let the server generate the other formats from it. From julian.reschke@gmx.de Sun Jan 29 12:19:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 572AD21F84AF for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:19:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.111 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.111 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.512, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LTrkp8IaP4UT for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:19:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5E71321F8495 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:19:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 Jan 2012 20:19:24 -0000 Received: from p3EE276D7.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.36]) [62.226.118.215] by mail.gmx.net (mp069) with SMTP; 29 Jan 2012 21:19:24 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/zLdZIGwXzLUfEOWdxOFkbXK+zF5xGCoLgC5XVa3 NrIMo5q/HbSseQ Message-ID: <4F25A9C7.4050804@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:19:19 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nico Williams References: <4F25657F.20103@gmx.de> <4F259B94.4090404@gmail.com> <4F25A0E4.60107@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] HTML as alternate format for IETF Internet-Draft Submission X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:19:27 -0000 On 2012-01-29 21:18, Nico Williams wrote: > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: >> The proposal is about allowing the author to upload the generated HTML >> version so it has a public URI on the IETF site. > > IMO if you want HTML then submit .xml and let the server generate the > other formats from it. Well, the server doesn't. And even if we did, I wouldn't want the default xml2rfc output. Best regards, Julian From nico@cryptonector.com Sun Jan 29 12:28:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7CED21F84C8 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:28:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.926 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.926 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.051, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WKDBKF0DZG93 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:28:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from homiemail-a66.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdcbbj.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.119]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA5321F84C2 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:28:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from homiemail-a66.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a66.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D2F4350058 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:28:36 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cryptonector.com; h=mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc: content-type; q=dns; s=cryptonector.com; b=UWjNbBCwifFfEd3UZotcV +F4OLUJc+gaw14IshMVtyNo228tNJeCgQQyhhP7SzNO0E8REZg3j14iYnhk7jKWp YOTMwDnYPRaGQpZxtA1shRM/HGf3kDJQ5WFwozHk05DQRYoNQ4/myLbCKXhECMr7 lvIp7xEpuJCPsnVCk5wcoI= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cryptonector.com; h= mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from :to:cc:content-type; s=cryptonector.com; bh=TEPU24VsMS2eRdaAs9bp YtwmqHs=; b=JsqruN946vzSTbQeoTHe286R5g5R64IbeuYshycgmgM8qu2jsIkt FYonu1UfPOX/wAh7+GUbG3edIxJZinYz+xbds2Y8E8+bkWQ/YaF4CSyIF4/tPYPz UnFH+zpESygU1UE5tqIm0QZXszKuUiIGDl7n/kHoywUrm+YMZmzE+II= Received: from mail-pw0-f44.google.com (mail-pw0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nico@cryptonector.com) by homiemail-a66.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1D01F350057 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:28:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by pbdu7 with SMTP id u7so3255860pbd.31 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:28:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.75.229 with SMTP id f5mr35161040pbw.110.1327868915756; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:28:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.138.133 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:28:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F25A9C7.4050804@gmx.de> References: <4F25657F.20103@gmx.de> <4F259B94.4090404@gmail.com> <4F25A0E4.60107@gmx.de> <4F25A9C7.4050804@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:28:35 -0600 Message-ID: From: Nico Williams To: Julian Reschke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] HTML as alternate format for IETF Internet-Draft Submission X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:28:36 -0000 On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: >> IMO if you want HTML then submit .xml and let the server generate the >> other formats from it. > > Well, the server doesn't. Why not? > And even if we did, I wouldn't want the default xml2rfc output. Why not? Nico -- From julian.reschke@gmx.de Sun Jan 29 12:34:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2A721F84C8 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:34:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.09 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.09 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.491, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oJOC-m0lT18v for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:34:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id F102A21F84C2 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:34:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 Jan 2012 20:34:14 -0000 Received: from p3EE276D7.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.36]) [62.226.118.215] by mail.gmx.net (mp002) with SMTP; 29 Jan 2012 21:34:14 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18VY6t/XRIV47Fri0Zkpo53U3RIRzcLnLmQqWxq/k hOpb52bfyUwrYR Message-ID: <4F25AD40.5010900@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:34:08 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nico Williams References: <4F25657F.20103@gmx.de> <4F259B94.4090404@gmail.com> <4F25A0E4.60107@gmx.de> <4F25A9C7.4050804@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] HTML as alternate format for IETF Internet-Draft Submission X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:34:17 -0000 On 2012-01-29 21:28, Nico Williams wrote: > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: >>> IMO if you want HTML then submit .xml and let the server generate the >>> other formats from it. >> >> Well, the server doesn't. > > Why not? Because nobody has implemented yet. FWIW, as many of the XML files being submitted are incomplete, it would be a good way to encourage submission of complete files. >> And even if we did, I wouldn't want the default xml2rfc output. > > Why not? I already said so a few mails ago: because I prefer the output of rfc2629.xslt, in particular as it provides many features that xml2rfc does not have (for details, see ). Best regards, Julian From cabo@tzi.org Sun Jan 29 12:35:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A562F21F84E7 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:35:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jRHGGJcwskdL for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:35:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A93AF21F84D9 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:35:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q0TKYqCu028066; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:34:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.217.106] (p5489BB84.dip.t-dialin.net [84.137.187.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 770BC971; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:34:52 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <4F25A9C7.4050804@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:34:54 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3F4AA349-48A4-4F44-BFE8-392A60434464@tzi.org> References: <4F25657F.20103@gmx.de> <4F259B94.4090404@gmail.com> <4F25A0E4.60107@gmx.de> <4F25A9C7.4050804@gmx.de> To: Julian Reschke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Cc: Tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] HTML as alternate format for IETF Internet-Draft Submission X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:35:05 -0000 On Jan 29, 2012, at 21:19, Julian Reschke wrote: > Well, the server doesn't. It would be a SMOP to [install your XSLT into the server -- already done = --, and to] make sure every XML is delivered with the PI to reference = it. Then we need some code to resolve the cross-origin SYSTEM entities = (xmllint -noent?). Finally, there should be an IDNITS check for valid XML... I really like looking at drafts in rfc2629.xslt processed form, so much = that I usually generate standalone XML that doesn't use cross-origin = SYSTEM entities. (kramdown-rfc2629 has an option for generating that form.) But for the = people who like to embed the xml.resource.org entities into the XML, the = above would be necessary. (E.g., look at http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-6man-udpzero-00.xml for a draft that has the cross-origin problem and therefore doesn't show = references right, and at http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-aayadi-6lowpan-tcphc-01.xml for a draft that doesn't but unfortunately isn't even valid, and at http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-abarth-cake-00.xml for how a standalone draft looks like. Nice. ) Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten From julian.reschke@gmx.de Sun Jan 29 12:40:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D5D21F84D9 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:40:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.07 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.07 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.471, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cf6GAT4p6P-T for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:40:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B2F2821F84D6 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:40:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 Jan 2012 20:40:10 -0000 Received: from p3EE276D7.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.36]) [62.226.118.215] by mail.gmx.net (mp037) with SMTP; 29 Jan 2012 21:40:10 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/v2fN7EX7vkRsnmPsRwBosh6lNjcAFJQfOIHRp4E 34foHxmG6QF7pJ Message-ID: <4F25AEA5.2030908@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:40:05 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carsten Bormann References: <4F25657F.20103@gmx.de> <4F259B94.4090404@gmail.com> <4F25A0E4.60107@gmx.de> <4F25A9C7.4050804@gmx.de> <3F4AA349-48A4-4F44-BFE8-392A60434464@tzi.org> In-Reply-To: <3F4AA349-48A4-4F44-BFE8-392A60434464@tzi.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] HTML as alternate format for IETF Internet-Draft Submission X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:40:12 -0000 On 2012-01-29 21:34, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On Jan 29, 2012, at 21:19, Julian Reschke wrote: > >> Well, the server doesn't. > > It would be a SMOP to [install your XSLT into the server -- already done --, and to] make sure every XML is delivered with the PI to reference it. > Then we need some code to resolve the cross-origin SYSTEM entities (xmllint -noent?). And the PI include directives. And references to local includes the author did not submit. > Finally, there should be an IDNITS check for valid XML... Absolutely. On the other hand, people will come with pitchforks when the ID submission starts to complain. > ... Best regards, Julian From cabo@tzi.org Sun Jan 29 12:44:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3990821F8512 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:44:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l3X+AaxUIN+L for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:44:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB9C21F852C for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 12:44:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q0TKiYBq001085; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:44:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.217.106] (p5489BB84.dip.t-dialin.net [84.137.187.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 441A7973; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:44:34 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <4F25AEA5.2030908@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:44:37 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <192D3BC1-2066-4A95-81C5-2CF233EE233B@tzi.org> References: <4F25657F.20103@gmx.de> <4F259B94.4090404@gmail.com> <4F25A0E4.60107@gmx.de> <4F25A9C7.4050804@gmx.de> <3F4AA349-48A4-4F44-BFE8-392A60434464@tzi.org> <4F25AEA5.2030908@gmx.de> To: Julian Reschke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Cc: Tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] HTML as alternate format for IETF Internet-Draft Submission X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:44:42 -0000 > Absolutely. On the other hand, people will come with pitchforks when = the ID submission starts to complain. I think it should complain, adding in a few well-chosen insults (HTML5 = can include voice snippets, too), but accept the "XML" anyway (renaming = it to .broken-xml in the process). Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten From nico@cryptonector.com Sun Jan 29 13:25:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E3821F8539 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:25:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.927 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.927 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id awPNwO1qnGuo for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:25:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from homiemail-a35.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdcbbj.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.119]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E36521F8510 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:25:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from homiemail-a35.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a35.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BB0054055 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:25:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cryptonector.com; h=mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc: content-type; q=dns; s=cryptonector.com; b=nEITVNKtlldcS34Dgj4D1 Y40DQkzlUcugAPtI/bUwu0AB2u1ctA+ibXTLGtYKXB0T5mtGU0KoM656Aj/AS7WB VCOMm4f07huA+uTps27mssxaC8tLuYsxSz6Tyn09mU6JAkdz3Sp78I/g/gdl6o+9 ORfCngYy3DMTnKX6sWOA3s= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cryptonector.com; h= mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from :to:cc:content-type; s=cryptonector.com; bh=XSP01Av6dMPZ3uqhAGVu D63DKl0=; b=P75ui0KlRWvYuG8D9SFVs+gqK5lDhQhixSSLVJc4BMQB18XFYnBa avbj/kKDSOOYbRor0qs+/bZ18pAtiAIVe0Q17KL+xGSM4P6ujTWAcZq0UDS/szSc 5Qt3JtG5w89a3pCyZMhgXFJBEZA+6Hc5av3kvw7iwG6gVcGJLKmhrNw= Received: from mail-pw0-f44.google.com (mail-pw0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nico@cryptonector.com) by homiemail-a35.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 220BA54021 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:25:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by pbdu7 with SMTP id u7so3285938pbd.31 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:25:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.235.7 with SMTP id ui7mr10472835pbc.93.1327872313808; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:25:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.138.133 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:25:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F25AEA5.2030908@gmx.de> References: <4F25657F.20103@gmx.de> <4F259B94.4090404@gmail.com> <4F25A0E4.60107@gmx.de> <4F25A9C7.4050804@gmx.de> <3F4AA349-48A4-4F44-BFE8-392A60434464@tzi.org> <4F25AEA5.2030908@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:25:13 -0600 Message-ID: From: Nico Williams To: Julian Reschke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Carsten Bormann , Tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] HTML as alternate format for IETF Internet-Draft Submission X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:25:15 -0000 On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > And the PI include directives. And references to local includes the author > did not submit. Nowadays I always make sure mine don't reference any local resources. Making the server process the XML would help get others to do the same. From nico@cryptonector.com Sun Jan 29 13:26:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B260E21F8539 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:26:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.929 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.929 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.048, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6o+9R3cIWdYm for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:26:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from homiemail-a95.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdcahe.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.74]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57E2C21F8510 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:26:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from homiemail-a95.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a95.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 001751E00D for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:26:03 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cryptonector.com; h=mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc: content-type; q=dns; s=cryptonector.com; b=jKe3kiHkFr8Cix3m9pqv1 krHOYaczPKy6prX33I3wVyMP3VOaM9fTYfy4mqlP8nKOYYQ43Vh2tm4mokZ2x9X6 r4Uf3+J8ngu7/ejhQtIkkRKYKrBOdAj1uNaL56vhWGnEtKMybsWxm9zSgk3cgJQs 3TqmPrr/jF8ma3WsMfMO9U= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cryptonector.com; h= mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from :to:cc:content-type; s=cryptonector.com; bh=4iZkw/cWCbXs6vcT20Z1 piWNOBY=; b=ZW/zbehm8qJapn7JLo/j4FrCPlnxXqwkk0cr2CfLJ7jkxnb/Saek BtU/14Jcq2Y4ixmlShFPAt4Prd0JU7BCcmoulCTZkASEvIs85ol19oDnY2Pc/4i3 B7yCDtDJk9F1cUIlhoNPdcSt7tPIeXKluKEVdajt3LZFKdONWyl3r8E= Received: from mail-pw0-f44.google.com (mail-pw0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nico@cryptonector.com) by homiemail-a95.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D9AEF1E00C for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:26:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by pbdu7 with SMTP id u7so3286412pbd.31 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:26:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.209.39 with SMTP id mj7mr35667212pbc.25.1327872363573; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:26:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.138.133 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:26:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F25AEA5.2030908@gmx.de> References: <4F25657F.20103@gmx.de> <4F259B94.4090404@gmail.com> <4F25A0E4.60107@gmx.de> <4F25A9C7.4050804@gmx.de> <3F4AA349-48A4-4F44-BFE8-392A60434464@tzi.org> <4F25AEA5.2030908@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:26:03 -0600 Message-ID: From: Nico Williams To: Julian Reschke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Carsten Bormann , Tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] HTML as alternate format for IETF Internet-Draft Submission X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:26:04 -0000 On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > Absolutely. On the other hand, people will come with pitchforks when the ID > submission starts to complain. It could start by warning, not failing. That wouldn't cause any revolutions. From julian.reschke@gmx.de Sun Jan 29 13:29:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B678B21F84DE for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:29:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.05 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.05 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.451, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8nh0tb9NoJ4m for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:29:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id AB25221F84B3 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 13:28:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 Jan 2012 21:28:57 -0000 Received: from p3EE276D7.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.36]) [62.226.118.215] by mail.gmx.net (mp072) with SMTP; 29 Jan 2012 22:28:57 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+Qa6ghjBeQr6fB8evabMJ5cOEFwS4Dgy82gQZdgb pFBcUevAd7Zz4b Message-ID: <4F25BA14.8040000@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:28:52 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nico Williams References: <4F25657F.20103@gmx.de> <4F259B94.4090404@gmail.com> <4F25A0E4.60107@gmx.de> <4F25A9C7.4050804@gmx.de> <3F4AA349-48A4-4F44-BFE8-392A60434464@tzi.org> <4F25AEA5.2030908@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Carsten Bormann , Tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] HTML as alternate format for IETF Internet-Draft Submission X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:29:00 -0000 On 2012-01-29 22:25, Nico Williams wrote: > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: >> And the PI include directives. And references to local includes the author >> did not submit. > > Nowadays I always make sure mine don't reference any local resources. > Making the server process the XML would help get others to do the > same. +1 From dhc2@dcrocker.net Sun Jan 29 15:49:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C713F21F8503 for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:49:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yboi+ZugbWEQ for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:49:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6DB21F84DE for ; Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:49:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (adsl-67-124-148-117.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.124.148.117]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q0TNnZxN023443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:49:40 -0800 Message-ID: <4F25DB0F.8050304@dcrocker.net> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:49:35 -0800 From: Dave CROCKER Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke References: <4F25657F.20103@gmx.de> <4F259B94.4090404@gmail.com> <4F25A0E4.60107@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4F25A0E4.60107@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:49:41 -0800 (PST) Cc: Tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] HTML as alternate format for IETF Internet-Draft Submission X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 23:49:43 -0000 On 1/29/2012 11:41 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > The proposal is about allowing the author to upload the generated HTML version > so it has a public URI on the IETF site. As you note, we allow uploading ADDITIONAL versions for other, non-txt formats. I agree it means that we should allow it for an html version, too. It might be worth a moment, to ask whether any or all of these other formats should have some conventions imposed on them? I could readily believe that the fact that they are secondary and that we seem to be doing fine without specifying the non-txt conventions, that it might not be worth the effort to do it now. Thought it worth posing the question, though. For example, most html versions use html rather minimally. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie Tue Jan 31 01:13:29 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A76721F874F for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:13:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7nOOJqQvdDrM for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:13:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from scss.tcd.ie (hermes.cs.tcd.ie [IPv6:2001:770:10:200:889f:cdff:fe8d:ccd2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D506121F8750 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:13:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id A532F171C71 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:13:25 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.tcd.ie; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:subject:mime-version :user-agent:from:date:message-id:received:received: x-virus-scanned; s=cs; t=1328001205; bh=qhZcRIefP8nW5KlDA+7n4VCE yGzdRSt8SVxgkiUejXw=; b=WNdaJVxXlBNBUgybGAHpWqUHcd9/7N0a4hl3Brfd fKUuqX+7G1JquBCENW6kjU/GUi/r5Ua4JY24yi/SlxmdksfdOYNSGH4YoMAWfV57 VWwfIPzL1yb3lyZ0hiQJ2Xi39RFTEFsIyBqqCgL0B74VUE5nTpajqcD4zUAdMGG3 vGljSkJFiU69QssGFQwkziRWw9sqFxDXaOFYDP9k6DTuev5Km6AKBp5ccCaJdS4K V2i8kOqmg17+JEGNOgVA/bX4TwuAURoYRHMYl6VD2VD5RoCHML843w6/NYSNXcl8 DcYe2kR8IdzghNOE08kLk7eytfAZEdw6Ljiw+jWAamzZxg== X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie Received: from scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id jrbrlu9Oq4JO for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:13:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:770:10:203:a288:b4ff:fe9c:bc5c] (unknown [IPv6:2001:770:10:203:a288:b4ff:fe9c:bc5c]) by smtp.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2CCE2171C3A for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:13:25 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4F27B0A2.5090504@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:13:06 +0000 From: Stephen Farrell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] tool.ietf.org web site down at the moment? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:13:29 -0000 Just in case I'm first out of bed this morning:-) I can ping it but not telnet to port 80, S. $ ping tools.ietf.org PING tools.ietf.org (194.146.105.14) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from merlot.tools.ietf.org (194.146.105.14): icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=48.4 ms 64 bytes from merlot.tools.ietf.org (194.146.105.14): icmp_seq=2 ttl=53 time=48.4 ms ^C --- tools.ietf.org ping statistics --- 2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 48.411/48.442/48.473/0.031 ms $ telnet tools.ietf.org 80 Trying 192.36.165.30... Trying 194.146.105.14... Trying 77.72.230.30... Trying 2a01:3f0:1:2::30... Trying 2a01:3f0:0:31::14... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable That was from an unfirewalled IP in 134.226/16 Also getting HTTP error 101 from my web proxy in the same n/w From richard.barnes@gmail.com Tue Jan 31 01:17:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B9221F855E for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:17:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wObkrYqLRfQZ for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:17:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B6621F8554 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:17:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by lahl5 with SMTP id l5so3166181lah.31 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:17:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=gDB93Tl1FAWOHWomc8dzq7CPMnjKR96m9ndZVhey8vE=; b=HcrWUvuSviy5xwyj2AiP4paf34mqP4wxnoAy5yau2QytdiZrThFyfahSikVj6Rnyyk yuuIQuakoJwFjSwKzNn59smda2Et5xULUe5TKRi3J9oFUKWoNfhixa+YaQZ23T8YLvNW EfVnjK1jMo92zEKEm0H65zWXsDGnKoc5rOTz8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.129.69 with SMTP id nu5mr146908lab.9.1328001465564; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:17:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.62.48 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:17:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F27B0A2.5090504@cs.tcd.ie> References: <4F27B0A2.5090504@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:17:45 +0000 Message-ID: From: Richard Barnes To: Stephen Farrell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Mark Tinka , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] tool.ietf.org web site down at the moment? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:17:47 -0000 +1. This was also reported on NANOG by Mark Tinka (copied). neutrino:~ rbarnes$ telnet tools.ietf.org 80 Trying 77.72.230.30... telnet: connect to address 77.72.230.30: Connection refused Trying 192.36.165.30... telnet: connect to address 192.36.165.30: Connection refused Trying 194.146.105.14... telnet: connect to address 194.146.105.14: Connection refused Trying 2a01:3f0:0:31::14... telnet: connect to address 2a01:3f0:0:31::14: No route to host Trying 2a01:3f0:1:2::30... telnet: connect to address 2a01:3f0:1:2::30: No route to host telnet: Unable to connect to remote host neutrino:~ rbarnes$ telnet tools.ietf.org 443 Trying 77.72.230.30... telnet: connect to address 77.72.230.30: Connection refused Trying 192.36.165.30... telnet: connect to address 192.36.165.30: Connection refused Trying 194.146.105.14... telnet: connect to address 194.146.105.14: Connection refused Trying 2a01:3f0:0:31::14... telnet: connect to address 2a01:3f0:0:31::14: No route to host Trying 2a01:3f0:1:2::30... telnet: connect to address 2a01:3f0:1:2::30: No route to host telnet: Unable to connect to remote host On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > > Just in case I'm first out of bed this morning:-) > > I can ping it but not telnet to port 80, > > S. > > $ ping tools.ietf.org > PING tools.ietf.org (194.146.105.14) 56(84) bytes of data. > 64 bytes from merlot.tools.ietf.org (194.146.105.14): icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 > time=48.4 ms > 64 bytes from merlot.tools.ietf.org (194.146.105.14): icmp_seq=2 ttl=53 > time=48.4 ms > ^C > --- tools.ietf.org ping statistics --- > 2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms > rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 48.411/48.442/48.473/0.031 ms > > $ telnet tools.ietf.org 80 > Trying 192.36.165.30... > Trying 194.146.105.14... > Trying 77.72.230.30... > Trying 2a01:3f0:1:2::30... > Trying 2a01:3f0:0:31::14... > telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable > > That was from an unfirewalled IP in 134.226/16 > Also getting HTTP error 101 from my web proxy in the same n/w > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From henrik@levkowetz.com Tue Jan 31 01:51:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E47C21F8737 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:51:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.583 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.583 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pbjobpPtTbnN for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:51:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9439D21F852B for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:51:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e] (port=65013 helo=brunello.netnod.se) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1RsAMz-0002fq-77; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:51:24 +0100 Message-ID: <4F27B997.4090201@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:51:19 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Barnes References: <4F27B0A2.5090504@cs.tcd.ie> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: richard.barnes@gmail.com, stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie, mtinka@globaltransit.net, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); Unknown failure Cc: Mark Tinka , tools-discuss@ietf.org, Stephen Farrell Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] tool.ietf.org web site down at the moment? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:51:33 -0000 Thanks all. Fixed now; I set up a new virtual web server for a test server for the big upcoming datatracker release (the schema conversion release) (http://tracker.tools.ietf.org/), which went fine. Then I also copied that setup as a virtual ssl server, but missed adding the SSL cert info for that instance on the master server, with the result that the http servers wouldn't start when the new config was pushed out during the night... Sorry for the inconvenience! Best regards, Henrik On 2012-01-31 10:17 Richard Barnes said: > +1. This was also reported on NANOG by Mark Tinka (copied). > > neutrino:~ rbarnes$ telnet tools.ietf.org 80 > Trying 77.72.230.30... > telnet: connect to address 77.72.230.30: Connection refused > Trying 192.36.165.30... > telnet: connect to address 192.36.165.30: Connection refused > Trying 194.146.105.14... > telnet: connect to address 194.146.105.14: Connection refused > Trying 2a01:3f0:0:31::14... > telnet: connect to address 2a01:3f0:0:31::14: No route to host > Trying 2a01:3f0:1:2::30... > telnet: connect to address 2a01:3f0:1:2::30: No route to host > telnet: Unable to connect to remote host > neutrino:~ rbarnes$ telnet tools.ietf.org 443 > Trying 77.72.230.30... > telnet: connect to address 77.72.230.30: Connection refused > Trying 192.36.165.30... > telnet: connect to address 192.36.165.30: Connection refused > Trying 194.146.105.14... > telnet: connect to address 194.146.105.14: Connection refused > Trying 2a01:3f0:0:31::14... > telnet: connect to address 2a01:3f0:0:31::14: No route to host > Trying 2a01:3f0:1:2::30... > telnet: connect to address 2a01:3f0:1:2::30: No route to host > telnet: Unable to connect to remote host > > > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Stephen Farrell > wrote: >> >> Just in case I'm first out of bed this morning:-) >> >> I can ping it but not telnet to port 80, >> >> S. >> >> $ ping tools.ietf.org >> PING tools.ietf.org (194.146.105.14) 56(84) bytes of data. >> 64 bytes from merlot.tools.ietf.org (194.146.105.14): icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 >> time=48.4 ms >> 64 bytes from merlot.tools.ietf.org (194.146.105.14): icmp_seq=2 ttl=53 >> time=48.4 ms >> ^C >> --- tools.ietf.org ping statistics --- >> 2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms >> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 48.411/48.442/48.473/0.031 ms >> >> $ telnet tools.ietf.org 80 >> Trying 192.36.165.30... >> Trying 194.146.105.14... >> Trying 77.72.230.30... >> Trying 2a01:3f0:1:2::30... >> Trying 2a01:3f0:0:31::14... >> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable >> >> That was from an unfirewalled IP in 134.226/16 >> Also getting HTTP error 101 from my web proxy in the same n/w >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie Tue Jan 31 01:54:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3720121F875D for ; 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charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Mark Tinka , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] tool.ietf.org web site down at the moment? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 09:54:12 -0000 Seems to be back now. Looks like good quick work from someone! Thanks S. On 01/31/2012 09:17 AM, Richard Barnes wrote: > +1. This was also reported on NANOG by Mark Tinka (copied). > > neutrino:~ rbarnes$ telnet tools.ietf.org 80 > Trying 77.72.230.30... > telnet: connect to address 77.72.230.30: Connection refused > Trying 192.36.165.30... > telnet: connect to address 192.36.165.30: Connection refused > Trying 194.146.105.14... > telnet: connect to address 194.146.105.14: Connection refused > Trying 2a01:3f0:0:31::14... > telnet: connect to address 2a01:3f0:0:31::14: No route to host > Trying 2a01:3f0:1:2::30... > telnet: connect to address 2a01:3f0:1:2::30: No route to host > telnet: Unable to connect to remote host > neutrino:~ rbarnes$ telnet tools.ietf.org 443 > Trying 77.72.230.30... > telnet: connect to address 77.72.230.30: Connection refused > Trying 192.36.165.30... > telnet: connect to address 192.36.165.30: Connection refused > Trying 194.146.105.14... > telnet: connect to address 194.146.105.14: Connection refused > Trying 2a01:3f0:0:31::14... > telnet: connect to address 2a01:3f0:0:31::14: No route to host > Trying 2a01:3f0:1:2::30... > telnet: connect to address 2a01:3f0:1:2::30: No route to host > telnet: Unable to connect to remote host > > > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Stephen Farrell > wrote: >> >> Just in case I'm first out of bed this morning:-) >> >> I can ping it but not telnet to port 80, >> >> S. >> >> $ ping tools.ietf.org >> PING tools.ietf.org (194.146.105.14) 56(84) bytes of data. >> 64 bytes from merlot.tools.ietf.org (194.146.105.14): icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 >> time=48.4 ms >> 64 bytes from merlot.tools.ietf.org (194.146.105.14): icmp_seq=2 ttl=53 >> time=48.4 ms >> ^C >> --- tools.ietf.org ping statistics --- >> 2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1001ms >> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 48.411/48.442/48.473/0.031 ms >> >> $ telnet tools.ietf.org 80 >> Trying 192.36.165.30... >> Trying 194.146.105.14... >> Trying 77.72.230.30... >> Trying 2a01:3f0:1:2::30... >> Trying 2a01:3f0:0:31::14... >> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable >> >> That was from an unfirewalled IP in 134.226/16 >> Also getting HTTP error 101 from my web proxy in the same n/w >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From mtinka@globaltransit.net Tue Jan 31 02:22:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3670B21F865A for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 02:22:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.557 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.557 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, RELAY_IS_203=0.994] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IyJ9JmEga8yk for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 02:22:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from the-host.globaltransit.net (unknown [203.121.106.55]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B9421F8671 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 02:22:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=the-host.localnet) by the-host.globaltransit.net with esmtp (Exim 4.74) (envelope-from ) id 1RsArD-0002hZ-SM; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:22:35 +0800 From: Mark Tinka Organization: Global Transit International To: Henrik Levkowetz Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:22:32 +0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.6 (Linux/2.6.37.6-0.11-desktop; KDE/4.6.0; i686; ; ) References: <4F27B0A2.5090504@cs.tcd.ie> <4F27B997.4090201@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <4F27B997.4090201@levkowetz.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2155972.s2KevvA1rJ"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201201311822.35325.mtinka@globaltransit.net> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:23:52 -0800 Cc: Richard Barnes , tools-discuss@ietf.org, Stephen Farrell Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] tool.ietf.org web site down at the moment? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: mtinka@globaltransit.net List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:22:52 -0000 --nextPart2155972.s2KevvA1rJ Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tuesday, January 31, 2012 05:51:19 PM Henrik Levkowetz=20 wrote: > Thanks all. >=20 > Fixed now;... Many thanks, Henrik. Cheers, Mark. --nextPart2155972.s2KevvA1rJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAABAgAGBQJPJ8DrAAoJEGcZuYTeKm+GMf0QAI8951c6DRTjknwFTyZoPKGP 2gT1RLQyXdu1kpXJoWzK9NhvoFYdK/spimTgNIITZWQpbRk/ryR0E2ZoQZyraglO 9gA5um2lBk7UBmp+G/4Nbg0A7fN6TRztC48VBoZiQ6byHOWCf4xF06totNDlS5Ul apJz8+WQFqkXF1YNhkEBPvViprc6jYqE5rz0ddEsws6uH3+KgKNJLjVOykNg0OlT v8Mwx7T9p87ZZsyl3rY02KevFlhUHjQPEt8HiXFy9H6gQER/tGTz2aZvOyhnQa3U Vtxh3qJHA525R9JD2xHoDEwmk4ltv5gFAU5h9U0oDn9B3YyUJaya/OkRhymL4tU+ zOxRfcUQpcNBvg1GIMWLNPpwpbpoJ/8w41jgnQWwPdJkbSkXBqTAr+Ya8TBdvtuX H62zWToNqX0xfEL6NVQP2sWmvxdJg36VGSJT2+QI37toFXXkaIkUrpykdal4VsVx PZO4q+2qNVepJVaaTgkNcYnScNWGLYNgHUnlQW5IWh+GeyFUfjXzOEw35oDkiAb7 13Zr7nLQqTfRN1lehM8/GG9nrABYSuHFo2SCq4I7QbQ9+jWMQcTIIKbqCFyLYPVN 9YjCI1eBPVcpbRtGZCeaN8PLH6YjdHHtWYOMXspOGZrQjjtruQ+l5vuqkGjo4Wa/ SWSwCRsX/7tX4AL1D8qd =Y7E2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2155972.s2KevvA1rJ-- From rjsparks@nostrum.com Tue Jan 31 08:53:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6910411E8079 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:53:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14016RamMFy2 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:53:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10CE911E80BD for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:53:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from unexplicable.local ([216.239.45.20]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q0VGrAQQ015654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:53:11 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) Message-ID: <4F281C71.3010907@nostrum.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:53:05 -0800 From: Robert Sparks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 216.239.45.20 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Subject: [Tools-discuss] History for meeting materials upload? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:53:13 -0000 In the new meeting materials manager, is there a way (at least for those with upload credentials) to see when the most recent version of a presentation was uploaded? If not, it would be very useful to add so multiple people aren't having to ask each other out of band if someone's uploaded this most recent change to a given presentation yet. It would be an extra bonus if you could tell _who_ did the upload. RjS From fred@cisco.com Tue Jan 31 11:02:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1EB11E8075 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 11:02:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.143, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9I-4X37KF4q2 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 11:02:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtv-iport-4.cisco.com (mtv-iport-4.cisco.com [173.36.130.15]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3646411E8072 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 11:02:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; l=728; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1328036570; x=1329246170; h=subject:mime-version:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id: references:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6PX3zXqlkFo7lGTPtq9JVJpOrnIkhzxfh5DONyj4Rys=; b=EhS/wQioAWIdzOLSV66WDNYxxDz1eREjeRJAEclnYiZSgJsA65aHSOrC px2la9AKMI+hpCT/aJa2jm8DjVMQyMifga1cNXe0YLP87457oFly297e9 qVHiUoZXyDYY/zLsHFmOFszpin8JGtzwP+/ZGrVhVeGzyrundhv8mdTQc s=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EAAY6KE+rRDoJ/2dsb2JhbABDrmCBBYFyAQEBAwEBAQEPASc0CwULCw44JzAGEyKHWgmaKwGeUwSLEAcCAgkFDAYTAQgFAwMJDQ8DAYJ8BRgCCwIFYwUQH4JWYwSIQIxghVeNHg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,597,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="27855052" Received: from mtv-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.58.9]) by mtv-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 31 Jan 2012 19:02:50 +0000 Received: from stealth-10-32-244-219.cisco.com (stealth-10-32-244-219.cisco.com [10.32.244.219]) by mtv-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q0VJ2npg000883; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:02:49 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by stealth-10-32-244-219.cisco.com (PGP Universal service); Tue, 31 Jan 2012 11:02:49 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by stealth-10-32-244-219.cisco.com on Tue, 31 Jan 2012 11:02:49 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Fred Baker In-Reply-To: <4F281C71.3010907@nostrum.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 11:02:37 -0800 Message-Id: References: <4F281C71.3010907@nostrum.com> To: Robert Sparks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] History for meeting materials upload? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:02:50 -0000 There is an upload history that is visible to the chair.=20 On Jan 31, 2012, at 8:53 AM, Robert Sparks wrote: > In the new meeting materials manager, is there a way (at least for = those with upload credentials) > to see when the most recent version of a presentation was uploaded? If = not, it would be very useful > to add so multiple people aren't having to ask each other out of band = if someone's uploaded this > most recent change to a given presentation yet. It would be an extra = bonus if you could tell _who_ > did the upload. >=20 > RjS > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From rjsparks@nostrum.com Tue Jan 31 11:11:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08FE621F84AF for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 11:11:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PAbmrA2x842z for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 11:11:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C4F621F8319 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 11:11:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from unexplicable.local ([216.239.45.20]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q0VJBqCm036145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 31 Jan 2012 13:11:53 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) Message-ID: <4F283CF3.1000108@nostrum.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 11:11:47 -0800 From: Robert Sparks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fred Baker References: <4F281C71.3010907@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 216.239.45.20 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] History for meeting materials upload? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:11:55 -0000 Based on out-of-band responses I've received. That's not yet the case for interim meetings (which is what drove my original question), but will be soon. RjS On 1/31/12 11:02 AM, Fred Baker wrote: > There is an upload history that is visible to the chair. > > On Jan 31, 2012, at 8:53 AM, Robert Sparks wrote: > >> In the new meeting materials manager, is there a way (at least for those with upload credentials) >> to see when the most recent version of a presentation was uploaded? If not, it would be very useful >> to add so multiple people aren't having to ask each other out of band if someone's uploaded this >> most recent change to a given presentation yet. It would be an extra bonus if you could tell _who_ >> did the upload. >> >> RjS >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss