From nobody Thu May 4 10:09:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F141200F3 for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 10:09:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mf5w93Jo6639 for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 10:09:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA46A12944F for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 10:09:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B86EE1EE for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 13:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCFC3636E0 for ; Thu, 4 May 2017 13:09:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: tools-discuss In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Date: Thu, 04 May 2017 13:09:24 -0400 Message-ID: <22245.1493917764@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] generated passwords for lists X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 May 2017 17:09:28 -0000 I went to unsubscribe from a list. Actually, I just set the mail delivery option to no, since I might read it via IMAP. I looked for my password in my "welcome to list" folder, and found it. Surprisingly, my password was the name of the ML. I looked a few others, and it was also the case. I usually don't pick a password when subscribing, because mailman will generate a good one for me. In this case, it doesn't seem to. These are for two lists that I subscribed to in April 2016. A list that I subscribe to in July 2016 seems to have a random password. So maybe something was broken and got fixed... -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ From nobody Sun May 7 00:09:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B90E126BF7 for ; Sun, 7 May 2017 00:09:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JtHVgmQwNVfb for ; Sun, 7 May 2017 00:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-07.mxes.net (mxout-07.mxes.net [216.86.168.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50F0D12426E for ; Sun, 7 May 2017 00:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.14] (unknown [124.189.96.43]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47C7B22E1F3; Sun, 7 May 2017 03:09:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Nottingham Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8A508B5B-F52A-46C5-BDBE-1145E8F0BECB" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Message-Id: <133681C7-7B6F-4523-93B9-195B6C2033B6@mnot.net> References: To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, =?utf-8?Q?Henrik_Nordstr=C3=B6m?= Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 17:09:09 +1000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: IETF Tools Servers Password X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 May 2017 07:09:24 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_8A508B5B-F52A-46C5-BDBE-1145E8F0BECB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've got a few of these unsolicited over the last few months; should I = be concerned that someone is trying to reset my password, or is it to be = expected? Regards, > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > Subject: IETF Tools Servers Password > Date: 7 May 2017 at 4:31:28 pm AEST > To: mnot@mnot.net >=20 >=20 > Hi, >=20 > A login ID and password is needed to access protected pages at the > IETF Tools servers. When you have authenticated using your login ID > and password, you will be able to access all general tool areas which > require login, and also restricted areas where your user ID has been > added to the access group. >=20 > Your login ID is mnot@mnot.net. >=20 > You set your password at this web-page: >=20 [elided] >=20 > The link is valid for 24 hours. >=20 > Please note that this password will be separate from any passwords you > may have on other ietf servers, such as datatracker.ietf.org. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > The LoginMgr program (for Henrik) -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ --Apple-Mail=_8A508B5B-F52A-46C5-BDBE-1145E8F0BECB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I've got a few of these unsolicited over the last few months; = should I be concerned that someone is trying to reset my password, or is = it to be expected?

Regards,


Begin = forwarded message:

From: = webmaster@tools.ietf.org
Subject: = IETF Tools = Servers Password
Date: 7 = May 2017 at 4:31:28 pm AEST
To: mnot@mnot.net


Hi,

A login ID and password is needed to access = protected pages at the
IETF Tools servers.  When you = have authenticated using your login ID
and password, you = will be able to access all general tool areas which
require = login, and also restricted areas where your user ID has been
added to the access group.

Your = login ID is mnot@mnot.net.

You set your = password at this web-page:

[elided]

The link is = valid for 24 hours.

Please note that this = password will be separate from any passwords you
may have = on other ietf servers, such as datatracker.ietf.org.

Regards,

The LoginMgr program = (for Henrik)

--
Mark Nottingham   https://www.mnot.net/




= --Apple-Mail=_8A508B5B-F52A-46C5-BDBE-1145E8F0BECB-- From nobody Sun May 7 01:54:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 178D1128C84 for ; Sun, 7 May 2017 01:54:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b6XnVJ9BY4Il for ; Sun, 7 May 2017 01:53:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:126c::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 916B0127868 for ; Sun, 7 May 2017 01:53:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip-94-140-175-143.reverse.destiny.be ([94.140.175.143]:13626 helo=[192.168.0.195]) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1d7Hwz-0004PR-2i; Sun, 07 May 2017 01:53:57 -0700 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-F51B7865-34F5-4164-A4D7-6FD0F98BAB00 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (14E304) In-Reply-To: <133681C7-7B6F-4523-93B9-195B6C2033B6@mnot.net> Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 10:53:50 +0200 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org, =?utf-8?Q?Henrik_Nordstr=C3=B6m?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <133681C7-7B6F-4523-93B9-195B6C2033B6@mnot.net> To: Mark Nottingham X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 94.140.175.143 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: henrik@henriknordstrom.net, tools-discuss@ietf.org, mnot@mnot.net, henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Fwd: IETF Tools Servers Password X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 May 2017 08:54:01 -0000 --Apple-Mail-F51B7865-34F5-4164-A4D7-6FD0F98BAB00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You should not be concerned. Somebody has tried to reset your password, but w= ith the enforced email roundtrip it ends with you receiving (and discarding)= the email. Best, Henrik > On 7 May 2017, at 09:09, Mark Nottingham wrote: >=20 > I've got a few of these unsolicited over the last few months; should I be c= oncerned that someone is trying to reset my password, or is it to be expecte= d? >=20 > Regards, >=20 >=20 >> Begin forwarded message: >>=20 >> From: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >> Subject: IETF Tools Servers Password >> Date: 7 May 2017 at 4:31:28 pm AEST >> To: mnot@mnot.net >>=20 >>=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> A login ID and password is needed to access protected pages at the >> IETF Tools servers. When you have authenticated using your login ID >> and password, you will be able to access all general tool areas which >> require login, and also restricted areas where your user ID has been >> added to the access group. >>=20 >> Your login ID is mnot@mnot.net. >>=20 >> You set your password at this web-page: >>=20 > [elided] >>=20 >> The link is valid for 24 hours. >>=20 >> Please note that this password will be separate from any passwords you >> may have on other ietf servers, such as datatracker.ietf.org. >>=20 >> Regards, >>=20 >> The LoginMgr program (for Henrik) >=20 > -- > Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > Please report datatracker.ietf.org bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/iet= fdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >=20 > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues or= > send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org --Apple-Mail-F51B7865-34F5-4164-A4D7-6FD0F98BAB00 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You should not be concerned= . Somebody has tried to reset your password, but with the enforced email rou= ndtrip it ends with you receiving (and discarding) the email.

=
Best, Henrik

On 7 May 2017, at 09:09, Mark Nottingh= am <mnot@mnot.net> wrote:

=
I've got a few of these unsolicited over= the last few months; should I be concerned that someone is trying to reset m= y password, or is it to be expected?

Regards,


Begin forwarded messa= ge:

From: webmaster@tools.ietf.org
Subje= ct: IETF Tools Servers Pass= word
Date: 7 May 2017 at 4:31:28 pm AEST
To: mnot@mnot.net


Hi,

A login ID and password is needed to access protected pages at the
IETF Tools servers.  When you have authenticated using your login= ID
and password, you will be able to access all general tool a= reas which
require login, and also restricted areas where your= user ID has been
added to the access group.
Your login ID is mno= t@mnot.net.

You set your password at this w= eb-page:

[elided]=

The link is v= alid for 24 hours.

Please note that this passwo= rd will be separate from any passwords you
may have on other i= etf servers, such as data= tracker.ietf.org.

Regards,
The LoginMgr program (for Henrik)

--
Mark Nottingham   https://www.mnot.net/<= /a>




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[123.255.23.101]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t17sm23820915pfj.61.2017.05.08.13.21.26 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 08 May 2017 13:21:27 -0700 (PDT) To: Tools Team Discussion From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <473eccd4-40cb-4574-4187-a0da18758e3a@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 08:21:27 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Searching for BCPs in the tracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 May 2017 20:21:30 -0000 I was searching for BCP 198 in the tracker. Searching for 198 produces the kitchen sink. Searching for "BCP 198", or "Best Current Practice 198" produces nothing. Searching for "BCP198" (no space) works, but that seems very restrictive. Did we ever consider adding the various RFC statuses to the "Additional search criteria"? Regards Brian From nobody Tue May 23 08:22:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C0DC129B9D for ; Tue, 23 May 2017 08:22:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lfeT8SNWT02T for ; Tue, 23 May 2017 08:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12A57129B9B for ; Tue, 23 May 2017 08:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FEAC200A3 for ; Tue, 23 May 2017 11:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29731636E0 for ; Tue, 23 May 2017 11:22:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] errors from xml2rfc trying to log errors X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 15:22:38 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain My XML has grown some UTF-8 space characters, likely because of copy and paste from etherpad. I get: UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xa0' in position 148: ordinal not in range(128) I was annoyed because it doesn't tell me the line number. After staring at the backtrace a bit, I see: File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/xml2rfc/log.py", line 38, in warn write_err.write('WARNING: ' + ' '.join(args)) and I realize that actually I think that the error is occuring while attempting to format the error message. This is with xml2rfc 2.5.1. (I haven't found my errant 0xa0 yet) -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAlkkU7sACgkQgItw+93Q 3WWJDggAr2ZIX/voSC8IzhrL8nm4bZtGL0wimGU+5q3YG/lxhX3uVHqyjBwZRXWE HWw1mZIsyWskh406JH6RvMX5D5VitNZYmuge5nXYsxr3ZuFI2O/c+lOSLgB8tZkc yir2VhivdJ4mNh8UGCmYp9H9fSNj02I9ky4bkvGTc0IIwcKUHTo+irQr6rMy8+HJ mWxgqR6N2ZXO9zHaOu3oNa2geOU1/bzQVWVeksE/Ly7rg+fS9g57ScM5SHtUw7bK Qg8xF9D8dSXqJPkDGDjlxuRROnrukNEW+va70jlhDEbmmUSZBpvRhUnGoc8oGPt1 Ab3h6ffUTK4Ce9gxRvR7Tpi/VBpqSA== =3Rvp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Wed May 24 13:30:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B9F112941D for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 13:30:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XjYu_l9TSCSK for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 13:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wr0-x233.google.com (mail-wr0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A0C712878D for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 13:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr0-x233.google.com with SMTP id z52so61558498wrc.2 for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 13:30:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=CAJdInwQ6azYKw6dXPkO6SzihyxFzeLuiOGtQPdRHlQ=; b=Pu7rlfATb9XaugrK1XeOWurMJZU2GP4fD1VmD05YuNHnqC0SUUMOwEWJ/Qq/qUcXMj egXp02kQr3y8Wf6JX+OaVqTgBjbDVXSAuvEcaYkcNHWsnHU3ob+cY8JgEf0YA269phx0 B5sxKxmCvRcff2D8GcnSmw5N+l+EbyGt1c1PJRkrvxjRPEV1zdA+X0hFHG6+n1JJBfgg jo84HbbBkEK30aM1t2jIrrVB3Yi2xyBeRt1WbNuhViboJt/wty0FOq9tjMxpeTJpHVy3 cMzumOeEoZBzw0d1QDMPNFS5xb69S9bYBM15K9IlNM63ks4ighk/D8tkbagbSjOAF9gv GOYQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=CAJdInwQ6azYKw6dXPkO6SzihyxFzeLuiOGtQPdRHlQ=; b=eBFdqj8pKp+IPuD2LFoDUH3x/GA/Su2o8lDsEFoazwgKXEJEZ7AB/d/2FALTqUL9G+ ok2mUeODIm4B4hMEMEIUZVNNSx9xlJ9bx1XwchoHlCdhi+prhwobekxhOSD9Tx0hAPiu 3kbjDed4hQCPC0o8pKRPH/gamM5oqy697Hieuzoeo/rZHH8l5C7R3ul9LhTwNsDesZdK /f1P/j/buh4HjaXM1Yn61tBiLElYvwgq/q17JHLMgMo6AiGxD5I6Jd21EuTe/GsjDjQo endC4t5J7yt6j0InOtLfDlKzB0eVppqfgKqiABSXcYstInfxM+EEpdc/xEOlv6y/nwRk /kDg== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcB/elT4GntubLsHiOBXUGZCV1xoaLsJmC2hbAcsAivTxqUGYHJx Z3tbggzOJvmv1eJuxQbEKnNzugT0r0cp X-Received: by 10.223.146.129 with SMTP id 1mr5473611wrn.85.1495657814444; Wed, 24 May 2017 13:30:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.135.86 with HTTP; Wed, 24 May 2017 13:30:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Alia Atlas Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 16:30:14 -0400 Message-ID: To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c0d9ed6bc6b4205504af891" Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] distributing shepherd's report X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 20:30:17 -0000 --94eb2c0d9ed6bc6b4205504af891 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" It would be useful to have the Shepherd's report sent to draft authors, WG Chairs, possibly WG, and the responsible ADs when it is saved. Currently I don't believe this happens. Has this been discussed in the past? Thanks, Alia --94eb2c0d9ed6bc6b4205504af891 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It would be useful to have the Shepherd's report sent = to draft authors, WG Chairs, possibly WG, and the responsible ADs when it i= s saved. =C2=A0 Currently I don't believe this happens.

<= div>Has this been discussed in the past?

Thanks,
Alia
--94eb2c0d9ed6bc6b4205504af891-- From nobody Wed May 24 13:47:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB2A5129BB8 for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 13:47:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.88 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.88 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bpgCUim-Dpmq for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 13:47:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 43A3D129BB3 for ; Wed, 24 May 2017 13:47:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.63] (cpe-66-25-7-22.tx.res.rr.com [66.25.7.22]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id v4OKlLXb005359 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 24 May 2017 15:47:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-66-25-7-22.tx.res.rr.com [66.25.7.22] claimed to be [10.0.1.63] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Ben Campbell In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 15:47:19 -0500 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6CECD2EA-F098-417F-91FD-1C29C8999217@nostrum.com> References: To: Alia Atlas , Alexey Melnikov X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] distributing shepherd's report X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 20:47:27 -0000 (+Alexey as IESG tools liaison) I don=E2=80=99t recall discussing that, but that could be a failure of = memory or attention. With my AD hat on, I agree that would be useful. > On May 24, 2017, at 3:30 PM, Alia Atlas wrote: >=20 > It would be useful to have the Shepherd's report sent to draft = authors, WG Chairs, possibly WG, and the responsible ADs when it is = saved. Currently I don't believe this happens. >=20 > Has this been discussed in the past? >=20 > Thanks, > Alia > --=20 > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > Please report datatracker.ietf.org bugs at = http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >=20 > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at = http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues or > send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org From nobody Thu May 25 07:27:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A319C129ACC for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 07:27:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YIDeYqyVjp6w for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 07:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from durif.tools.ietf.org (durif.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1900:3001:11::3d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3FF27129ADD for ; Thu, 25 May 2017 07:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h-43-30.a357.priv.bahnhof.se ([79.136.43.30]:50478 helo=[192.168.1.120]) by durif.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1dDtjk-0002Bg-Vh; Thu, 25 May 2017 07:27:37 -0700 To: Michael Richardson , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <12417.1495552956@obiwan.sandelman.ca> From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: <5926E9D1.6020701@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 16:27:29 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <12417.1495552956@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vdiBqPKrhs8bpdqxgJVDTfSRinIptXRt7" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 79.136.43.30 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on durif.tools.ietf.org) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] errors from xml2rfc trying to log errors X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 14:27:40 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --vdiBqPKrhs8bpdqxgJVDTfSRinIptXRt7 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="VieDKP5Tt9OKAQENmq5sVoTDOdEuENDSU"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Michael Richardson , tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <5926E9D1.6020701@levkowetz.com> Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] errors from xml2rfc trying to log errors References: <12417.1495552956@obiwan.sandelman.ca> In-Reply-To: <12417.1495552956@obiwan.sandelman.ca> --VieDKP5Tt9OKAQENmq5sVoTDOdEuENDSU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Michael, On 2017-05-23 17:22, Michael Richardson wrote: >=20 > My XML has grown some UTF-8 space characters, likely because of copy > and paste from etherpad. I get: > UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xa0' in= > position 148: ordinal not in range(128) >=20 > I was annoyed because it doesn't tell me the line number. After starin= g at > the backtrace a bit, I see: >=20 > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/xml2rfc/log.py", line 38= , in > warn > write_err.write('WARNING: ' + ' '.join(args)) >=20 > and I realize that actually I think that the error is occuring while > attempting to format the error message. This is with xml2rfc 2.5.1. >=20 > (I haven't found my errant 0xa0 yet) Ugh. Noted. There are probably a number of places that can't deal with non-ascii under Python2.7. All those should be fixed in the vocabulary v3 / unicode rewrite. Till then a workaround could be to run xml2rfc with python3.x; that should at least avoid barfing on non-ascii errors and warnings. 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Me too, other than the "send to WG" bit -- from what I've seen, WGs get tired of "administrivia" type emails quite quickly -- I'd think sent it to the authors, chairs, and AD -- the chairs can decide to forward to the WG if they decide. Many WG participants want to focus on the actual "work", and feel that there is lots of annoying process which they'd rather not have to be involved in... my 0.002c, W > >> On May 24, 2017, at 3:30 PM, Alia Atlas wrote: >> >> It would be useful to have the Shepherd's report sent to draft authors, = WG Chairs, possibly WG, and the responsible ADs when it is saved. Current= ly I don't believe this happens. >> >> Has this been discussed in the past? >> >> Thanks, >> Alia >> -- >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> >> Please report datatracker.ietf.org bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/i= etfdb >> or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >> >> Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues = or >> send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > -- > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > Please report datatracker.ietf.org bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ie= tfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org > > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues o= r > send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org --=20 I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf From nobody Fri May 26 20:03:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD5C128B37 for ; Fri, 26 May 2017 20:03:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.881 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.881 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ykVbUv4qOMH0 for ; Fri, 26 May 2017 20:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9430A12702E for ; Fri, 26 May 2017 20:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.63] (cpe-66-25-7-22.tx.res.rr.com [66.25.7.22]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id v4R33EFQ088507 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 26 May 2017 22:03:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ben@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host cpe-66-25-7-22.tx.res.rr.com [66.25.7.22] claimed to be [10.0.1.63] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Ben Campbell In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 22:03:14 -0500 Cc: Alia Atlas , Alexey Melnikov , Tools Discussion Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <6CECD2EA-F098-417F-91FD-1C29C8999217@nostrum.com> To: Warren Kumari X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] distributing shepherd's report X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 03:03:22 -0000 > On May 26, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Warren Kumari wrote: >=20 > On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: >> (+Alexey as IESG tools liaison) >>=20 >> I don=E2=80=99t recall discussing that, but that could be a failure = of memory or attention. >>=20 >> With my AD hat on, I agree that would be useful. >=20 > Me too, other than the "send to WG" bit -- from what I've seen, WGs > get tired of "administrivia" type emails quite quickly -- I'd think > sent it to the authors, chairs, and AD -- the chairs can decide to > forward to the WG if they decide. > Many WG participants want to focus on the actual "work", and feel that > there is lots of annoying process which they'd rather not have to be > involved in=E2=80=A6 Normally, I agree. But I think the shepherd=E2=80=99s report _is_ part = of the actual work. >=20 > my 0.002c, > W >=20 >=20 >>=20 >>> On May 24, 2017, at 3:30 PM, Alia Atlas wrote: >>>=20 >>> It would be useful to have the Shepherd's report sent to draft = authors, WG Chairs, possibly WG, and the responsible ADs when it is = saved. Currently I don't believe this happens. >>>=20 >>> Has this been discussed in the past? >>>=20 >>> Thanks, >>> Alia >>> -- >>> Tools-discuss mailing list >>> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>>=20 >>> Please report datatracker.ietf.org bugs at = http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb >>> or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >>>=20 >>> Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at = http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues or >>> send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>=20 >> -- >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>=20 >> Please report datatracker.ietf.org bugs at = http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb >> or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org >>=20 >> Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at = http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues or >> send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad > idea in the first place. > This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing > regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair > of pants. > ---maf