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Hello,

My name is Suma Potluri, a graduate student at UCSC. I am working with Jim
Whitehead to define the WebDAV methods - APPEND and PATCH. We've
submitted an Internet-Draft and would like to solicit your comments on it.

Here is the URL for this I-D:

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-suma-append-patch-00.txt

These two methods would be very useful for WebDAV clients for efficiently
transferring partial contents of a file. And since earlier efforts to
define such methods have been unsuccessful, I think it is worth
considering these new methods and hopefully get something useful out of
it.

Thanks,
-Suma






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Hi Suma,

--On August 1, 2006 2:05:55 PM -0700 suma@soe.ucsc.edu wrote:

> My name is Suma Potluri, a graduate student at UCSC. I am working with Jim
> Whitehead to define the WebDAV methods - APPEND and PATCH. We've
> submitted an Internet-Draft and would like to solicit your comments on it.
>
> Here is the URL for this I-D:
>
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-suma-append-patch-00.txt
>
> These two methods would be very useful for WebDAV clients for efficiently
> transferring partial contents of a file. And since earlier efforts to
> define such methods have been unsuccessful, I think it is worth
> considering these new methods and hopefully get something useful out of
> it.

Some initial comments:

1) You should define how this interacts with WebDAV ACL. The obvious 
solution to that is to say that APPEND and PATCH are controlled in the same 
way as PUT via ACL (i.e. write-content privilege is needed).

2) You might want to (informatively) reference 
<http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-simple-xml-patch-ops-02.txt> 
as way of doing XML diffs.

3) Which 'format' of a resource is being patched? With the Accept header a 
client can get resource data from the server in several different formats 
if supported (e.g. text/plain or text/html). It needs to be clear that 
APPEND and PATCH are operating on the 'native' content type of the resource 
(i.e. the one indicated by the 'getcontenttype' WebDAV property) and not on 
one of the 'derived' types that the client may have retrieved.

4) Also please explain any differences from 
<http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/draft-dusseault-http-patch-06.html>.

5) You should defined some pre/post condition error codes for each method. 
One error to include in there is that APPEND and PATCH cannot be applied to 
a collection.

6) Should Patch-Type values be registered (IANA)?

7) BTW Is APPEND really needed? Surely a PATCH can do the same thing 
(except that PATCH cannot create a new resource)?

8) Mention that ETag/If-Match/If-None-Match can be used to prevent 
'lost-updates'.

9) Discuss interaction with LOCK.

10) Its worth pointing out somewhere that the PATCH body can in some cases 
be larger than the entire modified resource, so in that case a PUT is 
better than PATCH. i.e. a client should be smart enough to figure out which 
is better and use that.

-- 
Cyrus Daboo





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Hi Suma,

there's quite a lot of previous discussion on the HTTP WG mailing list 
that you should review, for instance around the thread 
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2004OctDec/thread.html#msg4>).

So I would approach the topic this way:

- discuss on the HTTP WG mailing list, not here. This is not specific to 
WebDAV,

- realize that APPEND is a special case of PATCH,

- also realize that PATCH itself doesn't need a lot of work. By 
submitting a PATCH request a client asks the server to modify the 
existing resource based on the instructions in the message body. Full stop.

How the message body is to be interpreted depends on it's Content-Type 
(so you don't need "Patch-Type" at all). All the spec really needs to 
specify is at least one very simply diff format, and a MIME type for it.

Speaking of which I see use cases for at least two patch formats (one 
for textual diffs such as in the Unix diff command output), and one for 
modifying parts on binaries (seek/write/etc).

<http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/draft-dusseault-http-patch-04.html> of 
the PATCH draft actually used that model, and IMHO it was a mistake to 
move away from it. Quite logically, draft 05 it good serious pushback 
from Roy Fielding 
(<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2004OctDec/0011.html>).

Best regards, Julian




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Hello,

is there any xml or dtd schema for XML elements in WebDav (DAV:)(
requests, responses)?

Regards,
Aija




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IMO, APPEND and PATCH are authoring related methods, and hence are  
quite within the scope of this mailing list. That said, discussing  
them on the HTTP list makes sense too. More eyes are better.

- Jim






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Would it be possible to use APPEND similar to pause/resume like in ftp? If
so then maybe a start point of the byte from which it's being appended? Also
how would it work in the context of version control. 

 

Maybe I am not understanding it that well and thinking of it differently but
even as basic append it's a great idea.  

 


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Alex schrieb:
> 
> 
> Would it be possible to use APPEND similar to pause/resume like in ftp? 
> If so then maybe a start point of the byte from which it’s being 

That's just a generic patch issue. If you define a patch format that 
allows seeking to a specific position and updating the content from 
there, that's sufficient.

> appended? Also how would it work in the context of version control.

The same way as PUT? (same for locking, ACLs, whatever).

 > ..

Best regards, Julian




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Hi Julian,

Thanks for your response. I wasn't aware of the earlier draft on PATCH by
Lisa Dusseault when I submitted this latest draft. I admit that I should
have done a little more research into it before submitting the new I-D. In
any case, I noticed that there hasn't been much activity in this area
since the past two years. I would be happy to collaboratively work with
Lisa Dusseault or anyone else that would be interested in these methods,
so that we could get something useful out of this.

As for the earlier discussion on the PATCH method, I have a few
questions/comments.

1) There seemed to be an extensive debate about using a new header field
for the patch format. The way I thought it was that there could
potentially be many patch-types with each patch-type working on a set of
content-types (one indicated by the 'getcontenttype' property). So each
patch-type is mapped to a set of content-types that it would work on.
Using the content-type header to indicate the patch-type that would map
against a set of content-types seemed confusing. But as I was reading the
earlier discussion, there were some convincing objections against using a
new header field. If the Content-Type header is the preferred way to
define the patch format, we could proceed with that.

2) I also noticed that one of the earlier suggestions was to use the
normal diff or diff -e as the required patch format for text files which
was what I proposed in the I-D. It is a simple and widely used diff format
that could be easily generated by the clients. For binary files we could
explore the option of using gdiff as the required diff format.

3) APPEND is a simple and efficient method, since there is no need to be
concerned about the patch formats and content-types. For clients that do
mostly appends, this could be very useful. I'd be interested to hear
comments from the client's perspective with regards to using this method
as opposed to the PATCH method.

Also I have been working on the mod_dav server and was able to get a
working implementation for the two methods - APPEND and PATCH according to
the I-D specification. I am planning to do some performance testing to see
how these methods compare to the PUT method. If we could reach an
agreement on the specification, I could change the prototype accordingly
before testing these methods.

Again thanks for your comments,
-Suma

> Hi Suma,
>
> there's quite a lot of previous discussion on the HTTP WG mailing list
that you should review, for instance around the thread
> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2004OctDec/thread.html#msg4>).
>
> So I would approach the topic this way:
>
> - discuss on the HTTP WG mailing list, not here. This is not specific to
WebDAV,
>
> - realize that APPEND is a special case of PATCH,
>
> - also realize that PATCH itself doesn't need a lot of work. By
> submitting a PATCH request a client asks the server to modify the
existing resource based on the instructions in the message body. Full stop.
>
> How the message body is to be interpreted depends on it's Content-Type
(so you don't need "Patch-Type" at all). All the spec really needs to
specify is at least one very simply diff format, and a MIME type for it.
>
> Speaking of which I see use cases for at least two patch formats (one
for textual diffs such as in the Unix diff command output), and one for
modifying parts on binaries (seek/write/etc).
>
> <http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/draft-dusseault-http-patch-04.html> of
the PATCH draft actually used that model, and IMHO it was a mistake to
move away from it. Quite logically, draft 05 it good serious pushback from
Roy Fielding
> (<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2004OctDec/0011.html>).
>
> Best regards, Julian
>













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Suma Potluri schrieb:
> Hi Julian,
> 
> Thanks for your response. I wasn't aware of the earlier draft on PATCH by
> Lisa Dusseault when I submitted this latest draft. I admit that I should
> have done a little more research into it before submitting the new I-D. In
> any case, I noticed that there hasn't been much activity in this area
> since the past two years. I would be happy to collaboratively work with

That's correct, and it's completely OK to start a new take on getting 
this method defined. It's just that there is a lot of useful discussion 
in these email threads.

> Lisa Dusseault or anyone else that would be interested in these methods,
> so that we could get something useful out of this.
> 
> As for the earlier discussion on the PATCH method, I have a few
> questions/comments.
> 
> 1) There seemed to be an extensive debate about using a new header field
> for the patch format. The way I thought it was that there could
> potentially be many patch-types with each patch-type working on a set of
> content-types (one indicated by the 'getcontenttype' property). So each

General remark: I think it's not a good idea to base this on WebDAV. 
This is a generic HTTP problem, and if the solution depends on WebDAV in 
any way, that's problematic. On the other hand, it would be ok to have 
appendices discussing on how these messages relate to WebDAV, versioning 
and ACLs.

> patch-type is mapped to a set of content-types that it would work on.
> Using the content-type header to indicate the patch-type that would map
> against a set of content-types seemed confusing. But as I was reading the
> earlier discussion, there were some convincing objections against using a
> new header field. If the Content-Type header is the preferred way to
> define the patch format, we could proceed with that.

You simply have to do that. RFC2616 *mandates* that when you send an 
HTTP message, the Content-Type header defines the type of the content. 
That's what it's for.

> 2) I also noticed that one of the earlier suggestions was to use the
> normal diff or diff -e as the required patch format for text files which
> was what I proposed in the I-D. It is a simple and widely used diff format
> that could be easily generated by the clients. For binary files we could
> explore the option of using gdiff as the required diff format.

True. Again, the method definition should just state that the path 
format is defined in the Content-Type header. This gives you all the 
extensibility we need (text diff, binary patches...).

The single issue with this spec (that eventually brought the previous 
attempt to a halt) is that there seems to be agreement that the spec 
should require at least one simple (!) patch format, and that needs to 
have a MIME type (either already defined or defined by this spec), and 
that needs to satisfy the IPR requirements of the IETF.

> 3) APPEND is a simple and efficient method, since there is no need to be
> concerned about the patch formats and content-types. For clients that do
> mostly appends, this could be very useful. I'd be interested to hear
> comments from the client's perspective with regards to using this method
> as opposed to the PATCH method.

OK, here's an example:

Instead of saying:

         APPEND /~suma/index.txt HTTP/1.1
         Host: dav.cse.ucsc.edu
         Content-type: text/plain

         Testing Append
         Hello World Again!!!

Just use:

         PATCH /~suma/index.txt HTTP/1.1
         Host: dav.cse.ucsc.edu
         Content-type: text/entity-append

         Testing Append
         Hello World Again!!!

And then let the spec define the MIME types for "text/entity-append" 
(appending to a resource with text/* MIME type) and possibly 
"application/entity-append" (binary).

> Also I have been working on the mod_dav server and was able to get a
> working implementation for the two methods - APPEND and PATCH according to
> the I-D specification. I am planning to do some performance testing to see
> how these methods compare to the PUT method. If we could reach an
> agreement on the specification, I could change the prototype accordingly
> before testing these methods.

I understand that the prototype implementation is an essential part of 
your project, and it's definitively useful to test it in practice, but 
of course proper specification is what the people over here are more 
concerned with...

Best regards, Julian




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Suma Potluri schrieb:
> I agree...I assumed that the behaviour of APPEND and PATCH with regards to
> the WebDAV ACL, Etag, LOCK and the error messages related to a collection
> are the same as the PUT method (Your comments 1, 5, 8 and 9). I will
> clarify this in the I-D.

I wouldn't think it's essential, but a very short appendix probably 
doesn't hurt.

>> 2) You might want to (informatively) reference
>> <http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-simple-xml-patch-ops-02.txt>
> as way of doing XML diffs.
> 
> It is a good idea to add this reference while defining the Patch-Type for
> text/xml resources.

In particular, now would be a good moment to remind the author of that 
draft that a MIME type should be defined :-).

>> 3) Which 'format' of a resource is being patched? With the Accept header
> a
>> client can get resource data from the server in several different
> formats
>> if supported (e.g. text/plain or text/html). It needs to be clear that
> APPEND and PATCH are operating on the 'native' content type of the resource
>> (i.e. the one indicated by the 'getcontenttype' WebDAV property) and not
> on
>> one of the 'derived' types that the client may have retrieved.

Authoring content-negotiated resources is underspecified in HTTP. Common 
wisdom seems to be that the right way to do that is for the server to 
expose the Content-Location header for the variant (in HEAD or GET 
responses), and for clients always to address these in write operations. 
Everything else gets messy.

Anyway, if people want to address this (interesting) problem, please do 
not restrict it to a specific method. It deserves a generic solution, 
working with PUT, DELETE, PROPPATCH and so on...

> Yes.. the 'native' content-type of the resource is to be considered while
> patching and not one of the 'derived' types. I developed a prototype
> implementation for these two methods in the apache mod_dav module for the
> mod_dav_fs repository. And this is exactly what I am doing - checking if
> the content-type returned by the 'getcontenttype' property is supported by
> the corresponding Patch-Type.

I think this is making things more complex than necessary.

>> 7) BTW Is APPEND really needed? Surely a PATCH can do the same thing
> (except that PATCH cannot create a new resource)?
> 
> It is true that PATCH can do the job of APPEND as well. But the APPEND
> method is much simpler and can be applied to any resource without being
> concerned about the resource type and the Patch-Type. Assuming that a
> client need to do mostly appends, this method comes in handy without the
> 'baggage' associated with the PATCH method. Also it is more efficient to
> implement at the server and may have a quicker response time.

I don't see how it's easier to specify or more efficient to execute than 
the format I proposed in my other mail.

> ...

Best regards, Julian




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Hi Alex,

The initial idea for the APPEND method was to perform a basic append.

Could you be more specific on what kind of a behaviour you are expecting
when you say pause/resume like in ftp? Do you expect the server to return
the size of the data appended so far when paused? And how do you pause it
(when the connection was lost??) Maybe I am missing something here.

-Suma


> Would it be possible to use APPEND similar to pause/resume like in ftp? If
> so then maybe a start point of the byte from which it's being appended?
> Also
> how would it work in the context of version control.
>
>
>
> Maybe I am not understanding it that well and thinking of it differently
> but
> even as basic append it's a great idea.
>
>
>
>






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Hi Cyrus,

Thanks for the quick feedback.

>
> Some initial comments:
>
> 1) You should define how this interacts with WebDAV ACL. The obvious
solution to that is to say that APPEND and PATCH are controlled in the same
> way as PUT via ACL (i.e. write-content privilege is needed).
>

I agree...I assumed that the behaviour of APPEND and PATCH with regards to
the WebDAV ACL, Etag, LOCK and the error messages related to a collection
are the same as the PUT method (Your comments 1, 5, 8 and 9). I will
clarify this in the I-D.

> 2) You might want to (informatively) reference
> <http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-simple-xml-patch-ops-02.txt>
as way of doing XML diffs.
>

It is a good idea to add this reference while defining the Patch-Type for
text/xml resources.

> 3) Which 'format' of a resource is being patched? With the Accept header
a
> client can get resource data from the server in several different
formats
> if supported (e.g. text/plain or text/html). It needs to be clear that
APPEND and PATCH are operating on the 'native' content type of the resource
> (i.e. the one indicated by the 'getcontenttype' WebDAV property) and not
on
> one of the 'derived' types that the client may have retrieved.
>

Yes.. the 'native' content-type of the resource is to be considered while
patching and not one of the 'derived' types. I developed a prototype
implementation for these two methods in the apache mod_dav module for the
mod_dav_fs repository. And this is exactly what I am doing - checking if
the content-type returned by the 'getcontenttype' property is supported by
the corresponding Patch-Type.

> 7) BTW Is APPEND really needed? Surely a PATCH can do the same thing
(except that PATCH cannot create a new resource)?
>

It is true that PATCH can do the job of APPEND as well. But the APPEND
method is much simpler and can be applied to any resource without being
concerned about the resource type and the Patch-Type. Assuming that a
client need to do mostly appends, this method comes in handy without the
'baggage' associated with the PATCH method. Also it is more efficient to
implement at the server and may have a quicker response time.

> 10) Its worth pointing out somewhere that the PATCH body can in some
cases
> be larger than the entire modified resource, so in that case a PUT is
better than PATCH. i.e. a client should be smart enough to figure out which
> is better and use that.
>

Yes, I suspect that PUT would be better in some cases even when the PATCH
body is smaller than the resource, but still large enough that the
overhead involved in processing the instructions makes it less efficient.
I am planning to do some performance testing to explore this.

> --
> Cyrus Daboo
>

As I mentioned, I developed a proof-of-concept implementation for these
methods for the mod_dav server and will be doing some performance testing
to see how they compare to the PUT method.

Thanks for pointing these issues. I realize now that they need to be
clarified in the I-D.

-Suma












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Hi.

Quoting our own newsfeed at 
<http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/webdav.atom>...:

"The broken WebDAV support in MS Sharepoint has been frustrating both 
vendors and users for a long time. Using WebDAV, SAP's Knowledge 
Management product had been interoperating barely with early Sharepoint 
releases, but all of this broke down with Sharepoint 2003. Back then, 
Microsoft recommended no to use HTTP/WebDAV, but SOAP. But surprise, 
when they actually were asked to come up with the required code 
themselves, they figured out that properly supporting IETF standards was 
a simpler approach to interoperability. Go figure. News and download at 
<http://blogs.msdn.com/saptech/archive/2006/08/02/686501.aspx>."

Best regards, Julian






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Yes: <http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc2518.html#rfc.section.A>. But 
keep in mind that in practice it can't be used for validation (see 
<http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/draft-ietf-webdav-rfc2518bis-15.html#rfc.section.17>).

Just out of curiosity, why are you asking?

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Hi Suma,

Actually I am not sure of how the client should behave. On the server side
it wouldn't matter if it was some sort of a pause request or any error
during the PUT or even a previous APPEND. Of course http does not keep the
connection open so for the server it always looks like an error. If the
server wants to support APPEND with "resume" option then it should maintain
logs of these errors and partial transfers in some temporary location and
maybe with some sort of expire date too. 

What I think is this:
 
1. The client should know that it had made an APPEND or PUT request.
2. Something stopped it during transfer. Some error or the client stops the
transfer. 
3. It then has two things to choose from 
	A. Another new PUT
	B. A PROPFIND with request for info about the status of that last
resource.

On the server if it supports APPEND with resume then it maintains
information about partial transfers. So it would respond by providing that
information in a PROPFIND regardless of this resource being an existing or
non existing temporary resource is. and then the client can send a APPEND
from that section on...

Of course if the server supports the resume of APPEND it would need to
maintain the information about the partial data in a temporary location and
log those rather then make it like normal resources displayed to client. I'm
not sure of those details. For partial GET it would be very simple if the
server supports sending partial data. This is not a very well thought idea
on my part but I think resume is more usable then append alone as it also
takes care of transfer errors but here is a pseudo example not very well
written but just to give you my idea and I am not sure how it would effect
other things.


Client
Request: PUT /somefile

--- Something stops the transfer

Client:
Request PROPFIND /somefile

Server
Responds: not found

Client:
Request PROPFIND for property let say "resume" of /somefile (knowing that
APPEND is an OPTION and there was some error in a previous PUT) 

Server
Responds: MULTISTATUS partial data exists and some status of what happened
for this and any error info etc 

Client:
Requests APPEND and the "resume" of the parts of /somefile



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Hi Alex,

The initial idea for the APPEND method was to perform a basic append.

Could you be more specific on what kind of a behaviour you are expecting
when you say pause/resume like in ftp? Do you expect the server to return
the size of the data appended so far when paused? And how do you pause it
(when the connection was lost??) Maybe I am missing something here.

-Suma


> Would it be possible to use APPEND similar to pause/resume like in ftp? If
> so then maybe a start point of the byte from which it's being appended?
> Also
> how would it work in the context of version control.
>
>
>
> Maybe I am not understanding it that well and thinking of it differently
> but
> even as basic append it's a great idea.
>
>
>
>







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julian.reschke@gmx.de wrote:
> >> 7) BTW Is APPEND really needed? Surely a PATCH can do the same thing
> > (except that PATCH cannot create a new resource)?
> > 
> > It is true that PATCH can do the job of APPEND as well. But the APPEND
> > method is much simpler and can be applied to any resource without being
> > concerned about the resource type and the Patch-Type. Assuming that a
> > client need to do mostly appends, this method comes in handy without the
> > 'baggage' associated with the PATCH method. Also it is more efficient to
> > implement at the server and may have a quicker response time. 
> I don't see how it's easier to specify or more efficient to execute than 
> the format I proposed in my other mail.
After reading the discussion for a couple of days now I'm still not at ease
with APPEND.
A new HTTP method which sometimes behaves like a PUT and sometimes like a PATCH
would be a muddy design IMHO. If like Julian proposes this convenience is also
possible with a content type, why not ?
Taking a purists stance I could even drop that :-) A good diff will accomodate 
appending.
I will have to implement one method less in my server and also the RFC will
be shorter without APPEND. There will only be a lot of stuff just duplicated.
This said I'm very happy to see that a standard for sending diffs is discussed
again. Because it really doesn't make sense to send a complete big document
to a DeltaV server if you only correct a single letter typo :-)

Cheers, Edgar




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edgar@edgarschwarz.de schrieb:
> ...
> I will have to implement one method less in my server and also the RFC will
> be shorter without APPEND. There will only be a lot of stuff just duplicated.
> This said I'm very happy to see that a standard for sending diffs is discussed
> again. Because it really doesn't make sense to send a complete big document
> to a DeltaV server if you only correct a single letter typo :-)
> ...

Maybe it should also be mentioned that that lot's of people are really 
uneasy about defining new HTTP methods. PATCH has the nice property that 
it's not really new, it just needed a proper definition (so keep in mind 
that if you call something PATCH, it really should be identical or 
similar to what already has been described in 
<http://ftp.ics.uci.edu/pub/ietf/http/history/draft-ietf-http-v11-spec-01.txt>.

APPEND doesn't have this property. Furthermore, it's just a "convenience 
  method", because you can alway define a PATCH request that does 
exactly the same.

Best regards, Julian




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One rationale for a separate APPEND are filesystem-like clients  
(WebDAV file system drivers, for example) that want to be able to map  
filesystem append capabilities onto WebDAV. This provides a simple  
method that allows them to do this. Append is one scenario where  
WebDAV filesystems perform very poorly as compared to alternative  
network filesystems.

Authoring clients are the primary target for PATCH, as they have  
knowledge about fine-grain changes to resources. AFAIK, WebDAV file  
system drivers don't typically have enough information to send an  
update and use PATCH for sub-file changes.

Could you make append functionality part of PATCH? Sure. The  
tradeoffs are, as I see them:

Append as part of PATCH:

Pro:
* one method
* fewer methods to implement
* fewer methods for access control, configuration

Con:
* method is more complex: implementors need to implement mandatory  
append, text, and binary patch formats
* no longer possible to implement just append capability on its own

- Jim




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>
>> patch-type is mapped to a set of content-types that it would work on.
>> Using the content-type header to indicate the patch-type that  
>> would map
>> against a set of content-types seemed confusing. But as I was  
>> reading the
>> earlier discussion, there were some convincing objections against  
>> using a
>> new header field. If the Content-Type header is the preferred way to
>> define the patch format, we could proceed with that.
>
> You simply have to do that. RFC2616 *mandates* that when you send  
> an HTTP message, the Content-Type header defines the type of the  
> content. That's what it's for.
>

There can potentially be multiple diff formats that use the same MIME  
type for transport. For example, I can imagine multiple diff formats  
that would use text/plain (i.e., most of the human-readable diffs in  
use by version control systems today).

> The single issue with this spec (that eventually brought the  
> previous attempt to a halt) is that there seems to be agreement  
> that the spec should require at least one simple (!) patch format,  
> and that needs to have a MIME type (either already defined or  
> defined by this spec), and that needs to satisfy the IPR  
> requirements of the IETF.
>

Can you summarize the IPR issues that affected the previous  
specification?

>
> Just use:
>
>         PATCH /~suma/index.txt HTTP/1.1
>         Host: dav.cse.ucsc.edu
>         Content-type: text/entity-append
>
>         Testing Append
>         Hello World Again!!!
>
> And then let the spec define the MIME types for "text/entity- 
> append" (appending to a resource with text/* MIME type) and  
> possibly "application/entity-append" (binary).
>

Hmm, I would think we'd just want an octet stream, and not  
differentiate between text and binary append -- just send octets.

- Jim




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Jim Whitehead schrieb:
> 
> One rationale for a separate APPEND are filesystem-like clients (WebDAV 
> file system drivers, for example) that want to be able to map filesystem 
> append capabilities onto WebDAV. This provides a simple method that 
> allows them to do this. Append is one scenario where WebDAV filesystems 
> perform very poorly as compared to alternative network filesystems.

I agree with that, but I think the problem is not just append, but also 
seeking and truncating. APPEND only fixes one of these cases, where a 
PATCH format can fix all of them.

> Authoring clients are the primary target for PATCH, as they have 
> knowledge about fine-grain changes to resources. AFAIK, WebDAV file 
> system drivers don't typically have enough information to send an update 
> and use PATCH for sub-file changes.

Sorry? A file system driver usually has to map a set of write 
operations, such as seek, write, truncate, so we just need a patch 
format that can transport this information, such as 
the-one-published-as-a-note-by-the-W3C (I recommend not to look at it 
unless it becomes clear that there isn't IETF-unfriendly IPR attached to 
it).

> Con:
> * method is more complex: implementors need to implement mandatory 
> append, text, and binary patch formats

Well, I guess we would have two (file op, text patch) mandatory patch 
formats rather than one. I don't see how this is worse than having two 
methods instead of one.

> * no longer possible to implement just append capability on its own

Aha, you want to make those independent? In this case just let all patch 
formats be optional.

Even if I would buy the reasoning for a second method, I'd still make it 
more powerful so that it can do a sequence of seek/write/truncate as 
well (in which case it wouldn't be called "APPEND" :-)).

Best regards, Julian




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Jim Whitehead schrieb:

>>> patch-type is mapped to a set of content-types that it would work on.
>>> Using the content-type header to indicate the patch-type that would map
>>> against a set of content-types seemed confusing. But as I was reading 
>>> the
>>> earlier discussion, there were some convincing objections against 
>>> using a
>>> new header field. If the Content-Type header is the preferred way to
>>> define the patch format, we could proceed with that.
>>
>> You simply have to do that. RFC2616 *mandates* that when you send an 
>> HTTP message, the Content-Type header defines the type of the content. 
>> That's what it's for.
>>
> 
> There can potentially be multiple diff formats that use the same MIME 
> type for transport. For example, I can imagine multiple diff formats 
> that would use text/plain (i.e., most of the human-readable diffs in use 
> by version control systems today).

OK, there are two ways to approach that:

1) either make sure that each of the patch formats indeed has it's own 
MIME type,

2) use generic types, and have an additional request header specify the 
type of operation.

 From a spec writing point of view, 1) seems to be preferable to me. If 
you choose 2), you will essentially have to invent a new registry for 
types (IANA??), and have to maintain specifications for these types 
(which can be just pointers to existing specs). It's not entirely clear 
to me how this is better than registering MIME types for these formats.

>> The single issue with this spec (that eventually brought the previous 
>> attempt to a halt) is that there seems to be agreement that the spec 
>> should require at least one simple (!) patch format, and that needs to 
>> have a MIME type (either already defined or defined by this spec), and 
>> that needs to satisfy the IPR requirements of the IETF.
>>
> 
> Can you summarize the IPR issues that affected the previous specification?

As far as I can recall, there was no single patch algorithm where the 
format description could be easily be used in a standards-track 
document. But maybe back then we haven't looked hard enough.

Of course the alternative is to define the format in the spec itself, 
but if that format is identical/similar to another one, you still risk 
IPR problems, and you have the additional problem that your own 
description may be incomplete or buggy (thus duplicating the 
specification of the patch format maybe a bad idea).

>> Just use:
>>
>>         PATCH /~suma/index.txt HTTP/1.1
>>         Host: dav.cse.ucsc.edu
>>         Content-type: text/entity-append
>>
>>         Testing Append
>>         Hello World Again!!!
>>
>> And then let the spec define the MIME types for "text/entity-append" 
>> (appending to a resource with text/* MIME type) and possibly 
>> "application/entity-append" (binary).
>>
> 
> Hmm, I would think we'd just want an octet stream, and not differentiate 
> between text and binary append -- just send octets.

Binary append would be the standard use case. Text append could take 
advantage of re-encoding. Thus, I could append to a text/* resource 
without having to know it's encoding.

Best regards, Julian




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(fyi - please follow up on the HTTP mailing list at 
mailto:ietf-http-wg@w3.org).

Julian Reschke wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> we've been discussing the interpretation of ETags returned upon an HTTP 
> PUT request for some time now. Jim Whitehead started work on an Internet 
> Draft discussing this topic in February (see 
> <http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/draft-whitehead-http-etag-00.html>), 
> but unfortunately we didn't make any progress since.
> 
> Personally, I think that we really need a very minor clarification, plus 
> a simple new feature to help clients that want to avoid a re-fetch after 
> sending the content. I therefore decided to write up my own draft. It 
> summarizes the situation (as RFC2616 is concerned), proposes one 
> clarification to RFC2616 (as mentioned in 
> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2006JanMar/0003.html>), 
> and also proposes that minor new feature (a new response header).
> 
> Feedback appreciated. I mean it. We really should resolve this, as two 
> drafts in front of the IESG already make contradicting requirements.
> 
> HTML at 
> <http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/draft-reschke-http-etag-on-write-00.html>. 
> 
> 
> Best regards, Julian
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Internet-Drafts@ietf.org schrieb:
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts 
>> directories.
>>
>>
>>     Title        : The Hypertext Transfer Protocol (HTTP) Entity Tag 
>> (^ETag^) Response Header in Write Operations
>>     Author(s)    : J. Reschke
>>     Filename    : draft-reschke-http-etag-on-write-00.txt
>>     Pages        : 19
>>     Date        : 2006-8-9
>>     
>>    The Hypertext Transfer Protocol (HTTP) specifies a state identifier,
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>>    protocol designers, and potentially interoperability problems.
>>
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>>    modifying a resource.
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Thursday August 10, 2006

ASI Entertainment

Cell phones on airplanes! (News: 7/27/06) 

Symbol: A-S- I-Q

Price: $0.27

This stock has been on my watch list for quite a time. And now I have all the grounds to tell you it’s about to rock very soon.

Check it out right now! Look at the chart !

Read all the news:
Contracts with Saudi airlines and Airone in Place!

R E C E N T   N E W S: (7/27/06) 

1)A-S- I-Q Invention Makes Cell Phones Safe for Use In-Flight and No Annoying Voice Calls- Applied for a patent for a new concept that allows cell phones to be operated in-flight, without interfering with the aircraft's avionics and the ground networks and eliminates the problem of annoying voice calls.

Is this the one you have been waiting for ? 

Could you be printing profits off A.S.I.Q this week? 

Decide for yourself! 

Mind your own business When gaulding see fish he forget seh gun deh.
A drop of ink may make a million think.
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 Information within this report contains forward looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21B of the SEC Act of 1934. Statements that involve discussions with respect to projections of future events are not statements of historical fact and may be forward looking statements. Don't rely on them to make a decision. Past performance is never indicative of future results. We have received two hundred fifty thousand free t r a d i n g shares from a third party, not an officer, director or affiliate shareholder. We intend to sell all two hundred fifty thousand shares now, which could cause the s t o c k to go down. This company has: negative cash flow from operations, no revenues in its most recent quarter, an accumulated defecit, nominal cash, a going concern opinion from its auditor, nominal net worth, and a reliance on cash advances from related parties (related party transactions). A failure to finance could cause this company to go out of business. This report shall not be construed as any kind of investment advice or solicitation. This is a penny s t o c k and is a high risk security. URGENT: Please, Please Read the Company's SEC filings before you invest .

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AGAO Volume Jumps 500% In Trading Today!

recent news releases ae generating growing interest in AGAO

Company: AGA RESOURCES NEW
Stock: A G.A-O
Current Price: $1.85
Buy: “Strong”

This one has had nice returns for investors over the summer, and 
now shows promise to begin a second wave of returns.

Positive news releases during the month of June concerning the 
acquisition of drill sites in British Columbia for precious minerals 
and the purchase of additional equipment to drill deeper and 
explore further the drill site potential drove investors to climb 
on board and pushed this from the $1.20 mark to well over $3.

Now in the last week we have had to new releases concerning 
marketing expansions with New-Element Co. Ltd. one of China's 
most successful marketing groups, and the appointment of the Mr Wei 
former CEO of China Mobility Solutions Inc., as the new Chairman Of 
The Board, and Mr John Hui as the new Vice Chairman.

Go read these releases and the amazing track records of New Element  
and Mr. Wei. You  will understand why we a re so excited about these 
releases, and why we are issuing an alert.

We expect to see the second wave on this company and watch it climb 
well over $3 again.

Don’t let this one slide, read the releases, see what it did back in  
June and get on it first thing Friday morning.

Headline New from around the world
NISKAYUNA, New York (AP) -- It sounds like something out of science fiction.



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AGAO Volume Jumps 500 % In Trading Today!

Recent news releases are generating growing interest in AGAO

Company: AGA RES OURCES NEW
S t o c k: A G A O
Current Price: $1.95
Bu y: “Strong”

This one has had nice returns for inv estors over the summer, and 
now shows promise to begin a second wave of returns.

Positive news releases during the month of June concerning the 
acquisition of drill sites in British Columbia for precious minerals 
and the purchase of additional equipment to drill deeper and 
explore further the drill site potential drove in vestors to climb 
on board and pushed this from the $1.20 mark to well over $3.

Now in the last week we have had to new releases concerning 
marketing expansions with New-Element Co. Ltd. one of China's 
most successful marketing groups, and the appointment of the Mr Wei 
former CEO of China Mobility Solutions Inc., as the new Chairman Of 
The Board, and Mr John Hui as the new Vice Chairman.

Go read these releases and the amazing track records of New Element  
and Mr. Wei. You  will understand why we are so excited about these 
releases, and why we are issuing an alert.

We expect to see the second wave on this company and watch it climb 
well over $3 again.

Don’t let this one slide, read the releases, see what it did back in  
June and get on it first thing Friday morning.
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COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- Former senator and astronaut John Glenn and his wife, Annie, were discharged Sunday from a hospital where they had been recovering from what he called a "very serious" car accident.



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AGAO Volume Jumps 500% In Trading Today!

recent news releases ae generating growing interest in AGAO

Company: AGA RESOURCES NEW
Stock: A G.A-O
Current Price: $1.85
Buy: “Strong”

This one has had nice returns for investors over the summer, and 
now shows promise to begin a second wave of returns.

Positive news releases during the month of June concerning the 
acquisition of drill sites in British Columbia for precious minerals 
and the purchase of additional equipment to drill deeper and 
explore further the drill site potential drove investors to climb 
on board and pushed this from the $1.20 mark to well over $3.

Now in the last week we have had to new releases concerning 
marketing expansions with New-Element Co. Ltd. one of China's 
most successful marketing groups, and the appointment of the Mr Wei 
former CEO of China Mobility Solutions Inc., as the new Chairman Of 
The Board, and Mr John Hui as the new Vice Chairman.

Go read these releases and the amazing track records of New Element  
and Mr. Wei. You  will understand why we a re so excited about these 
releases, and why we are issuing an alert.

We expect to see the second wave on this company and watch it climb 
well over $3 again.

Don’t let this one slide, read the releases, see what it did back in  
June and get on it first thing Friday morning.

Headline New from around the world
LONDON, England (Reuters) -- Reuters withdrew all 920 photographs by a freelance Lebanese photographer from its database on Monday after a review of his work showed he had altered two images from the conflict between Israel and Hezbollah.



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TRADE SMARTER TODAY : EGLY.OB

Here is a pick you can't afford to miss. EVER-GLORY International is putting together an extremely impressive year. We expect this to be capped of with a finalized acquisition, a new factory, and a record earnings report. We believe that now is the time to accumulate. 

Date: Monday, August 14, 2006
Company: EVER-GLORY International Group Inc. 
Symbol: EGLY 
Current Price: $.87 
Target Price : $3.50 

Successful acquisition news expected this month. 

Get in on this one before it explodes. We are expecting solid short-term gains with huge gains expected as we head later into the year.

Get in first thing Monday, Do Not Wait! The Momentum has Started.


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From that offhand remark came "Pants-Off Dance-Off," which has quickly become the Fuse network's most popular series ever. No more complicated than its title, the competition features people dancing in front of a screen playing their favorite music video, while slowly shedding clothes.
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Don't miss buy on 14 Aug 2006




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TRADE SMARTER TODAY : EGLY.OB

Here is a pick you can't afford to miss. EVER-GLORY International is putting together an extremely impressive year. We expect this to be capped of with a finalized acquisition, a new factory, and a record earnings report. We believe that now is the time to accumulate. 

Date: Monday, August 14, 2006
Company: EVER-GLORY International Group Inc. 
Symbol: EGLY 
Current Price: $.87 
Target Price : $3.50 

Successful acquisition news expected this month. 

Get in on this one before it explodes. We are expecting solid short-term gains with huge gains expected as we head later into the year.

Get in first thing Monday, Do Not Wait! The Momentum has Started.


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HAVANA, Cuba (AP) -- Cuba's vice president and Venezuela's leader provided optimistic assessments of Fidel Castro's health, saying the Cuban president was recovering quickly from intestinal surgery and could be back at work within weeks.
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Don't miss buy on 14 Aug 2006





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KMAG Hires New VP To Facilitate Continued Expansions.

KMA Global Solutions International
Sym: KMAG
Price: $1.25

KMAG has dropped a number of forward moving news releases over the last few 
months. Two new major contracts bringing an increase in revenus over 
$8.6 million this year, and has brought in new executives to help the company 
to achieve its exapansion goals.

Jeffrey D. Reid, CEO had this to say:
"We are excited to announce this addition to our executive team. Mr. Nowlan's 
knowledge and experience in retail operations will be an enormous asset to our 
growth and development. His diverse background brings additional depth to KMA's 
management team," 

This one is getting ready to go places. The price is low and primed to buy.
This is an easy flip for some amazing returns.

Keep an eye on this one and get on it first thing Monday morning.



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KMAG Hires New VP To Facilitate Continued Expansions.

KMA Global Solutions International
Sym: KMAG
Price: $1.25

KMAG has dropped a number of forward moving news releases over the last few 
months. Two new major contracts bringing an increase in revenus over 
$8.6 million this year, and has brought in new executives to help the company 
to achieve its exapansion goals.

Jeffrey D. Reid, CEO had this to say:
"We are excited to announce this addition to our executive team. Mr. Nowlan's 
knowledge and experience in retail operations will be an enormous asset to our 
growth and development. His diverse background brings additional depth to KMA's 
management team," 

This one is getting ready to go places. The price is low and primed to buy.
This is an easy flip for some amazing returns.

Keep an eye on this one and get on it first thing Monday morning.



From tkyeung@amf.com Sun Aug 13 23:59:50 2006
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WE HAVE A RUNNER!
ALL SIGNS SHOW THAT LITL IS ABOUT TO EXPLODE!
WATCH LITL.PK LIKE A HAWK STARTING MONDAY AUGUST 14th!


Company Name:    L INTL COMPUTERS INC (Other OTC:LITL.PK)
Stock Symbol:    LITL
Friday Close:    0.41 (Up over 40% On Friday Alone)
5-day Target:    1.00
Current Rating:  Strong-Buy



LITL's Recent Announcements:
•	L International Computers Announces the Hollywood Pro Laptop
•	L International Computers Inc. Announces the All-New Cinerama Display
•	L International Computers Inc Announces the Olympus, the World's First 20'' Widescreen PCI-XPress Series SLI Laptop 
Computer
•	L International Computers Inc. Announces the Next-Gen Grand Canyon, Quad-Panel OLED based Computer/ AV Professional 
Display


Who is LITL?
Founded in 2002, Liebermann Inc. produces, markets and distributes high-performance, opulent PC/Windows© laptop, desktop, 
workstation and server computers.
The Company also produces the largest and most spectacular personal & professional computer displays and ultra-high performance
 software, peripherals and technologies.

Why LITL?s
OPPORTUNITY DOES NOT KNOCK ON YOUR DOOR EVERY DAY! SO ADD LITL TO YOUR RADAR NOW AND WATCH IT SOAR!


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"Why hasn't anybody put naked people and rock music together on television before?" said Low, who created the "Pop-Up Videos" series for VH1. "It seems so obvious, like peanut butter and jelly."
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Buy on 14 Aug 2006.




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KMAG Hires New VP To Facilitate Continued Expansions.

KMA Global Solutions International
Sym: KMAG
Price: $1.25

KMAG has dropped a number of forward moving news releases over the last few 
months. Two new major contracts bringing an increase in revenus over 
$8.6 million this year, and has brought in new executives to help the company 
to achieve its exapansion goals.

Jeffrey D. Reid, CEO had this to say:
"We are excited to announce this addition to our executive team. Mr. Nowlan's 
knowledge and experience in retail operations will be an enormous asset to our 
growth and development. His diverse background brings additional depth to KMA's 
management team," 

This one is getting ready to go places. The price is low and primed to buy.
This is an easy flip for some amazing returns.

Keep an eye on this one and get on it first thing Monday morning.



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I agree with this.  One could even define a custom "delta format" (an  
algorithm for applying a patch) that only did appending, use it with  
PATCH, and then one would have the simplest way of achieving APPEND  
without duplicate specification.

Lisa

On Aug 7, 2006, at 12:04 AM, Julian Reschke wrote:

>
> edgar@edgarschwarz.de schrieb:
>> ...
>> I will have to implement one method less in my server and also the  
>> RFC will
>> be shorter without APPEND. There will only be a lot of stuff just  
>> duplicated.
>> This said I'm very happy to see that a standard for sending diffs  
>> is discussed
>> again. Because it really doesn't make sense to send a complete big  
>> document
>> to a DeltaV server if you only correct a single letter typo :-)
>> ...
>
> Maybe it should also be mentioned that that lot's of people are  
> really uneasy about defining new HTTP methods. PATCH has the nice  
> property that it's not really new, it just needed a proper  
> definition (so keep in mind that if you call something PATCH, it  
> really should be identical or similar to what already has been  
> described in <http://ftp.ics.uci.edu/pub/ietf/http/history/draft- 
> ietf-http-v11-spec-01.txt>.
>
> APPEND doesn't have this property. Furthermore, it's just a  
> "convenience  method", because you can alway define a PATCH request  
> that does exactly the same.
>
> Best regards, Julian
>





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On Aug 4, 2006, at 12:05 AM, Suma Potluri wrote:

>
> Hi Julian,
>
> Thanks for your response. I wasn't aware of the earlier draft on  
> PATCH by
> Lisa Dusseault when I submitted this latest draft. I admit that I  
> should
> have done a little more research into it before submitting the new  
> I-D. In
> any case, I noticed that there hasn't been much activity in this area
> since the past two years. I would be happy to collaboratively work  
> with
> Lisa Dusseault or anyone else that would be interested in these  
> methods,
> so that we could get something useful out of this.

That would be great.  I've been letting the  PATCH document languish  
waiting for some broader consensus for a resolution to the question  
of what Content-Type means. That's the essential difference between  
patch draft -05 and draft -06.  The changes made to 06 were inspired  
by Jeff Mogul; I find his entity/instance model elegant in its  
resolution of a few modeling problems, even if it wasn't how HTTP was  
initially intended to be modeled.  However, Roy Fielding has objected  
to draft -06 and to Mogul's model and I didn't see a clear consensus  
which way to go.

Lisa


>
> As for the earlier discussion on the PATCH method, I have a few
> questions/comments.
>
> 1) There seemed to be an extensive debate about using a new header  
> field
> for the patch format. The way I thought it was that there could
> potentially be many patch-types with each patch-type working on a  
> set of
> content-types (one indicated by the 'getcontenttype' property). So  
> each
> patch-type is mapped to a set of content-types that it would work on.
> Using the content-type header to indicate the patch-type that would  
> map
> against a set of content-types seemed confusing. But as I was  
> reading the
> earlier discussion, there were some convincing objections against  
> using a
> new header field. If the Content-Type header is the preferred way to
> define the patch format, we could proceed with that.
>
> 2) I also noticed that one of the earlier suggestions was to use the
> normal diff or diff -e as the required patch format for text files  
> which
> was what I proposed in the I-D. It is a simple and widely used diff  
> format
> that could be easily generated by the clients. For binary files we  
> could
> explore the option of using gdiff as the required diff format.
>
> 3) APPEND is a simple and efficient method, since there is no need  
> to be
> concerned about the patch formats and content-types. For clients  
> that do
> mostly appends, this could be very useful. I'd be interested to hear
> comments from the client's perspective with regards to using this  
> method
> as opposed to the PATCH method.
>
> Also I have been working on the mod_dav server and was able to get a
> working implementation for the two methods - APPEND and PATCH  
> according to
> the I-D specification. I am planning to do some performance testing  
> to see
> how these methods compare to the PUT method. If we could reach an
> agreement on the specification, I could change the prototype  
> accordingly
> before testing these methods.
>
> Again thanks for your comments,
> -Suma
>
>> Hi Suma,
>>
>> there's quite a lot of previous discussion on the HTTP WG mailing  
>> list
> that you should review, for instance around the thread
>> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2004OctDec/ 
>> thread.html#msg4>).
>>
>> So I would approach the topic this way:
>>
>> - discuss on the HTTP WG mailing list, not here. This is not  
>> specific to
> WebDAV,
>>
>> - realize that APPEND is a special case of PATCH,
>>
>> - also realize that PATCH itself doesn't need a lot of work. By
>> submitting a PATCH request a client asks the server to modify the
> existing resource based on the instructions in the message body.  
> Full stop.
>>
>> How the message body is to be interpreted depends on it's Content- 
>> Type
> (so you don't need "Patch-Type" at all). All the spec really needs to
> specify is at least one very simply diff format, and a MIME type  
> for it.
>>
>> Speaking of which I see use cases for at least two patch formats (one
> for textual diffs such as in the Unix diff command output), and one  
> for
> modifying parts on binaries (seek/write/etc).
>>
>> <http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/draft-dusseault-http- 
>> patch-04.html> of
> the PATCH draft actually used that model, and IMHO it was a mistake to
> move away from it. Quite logically, draft 05 it good serious  
> pushback from
> Roy Fielding
>> (<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2004OctDec/ 
>> 0011.html>).
>>
>> Best regards, Julian
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>





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FYI
--lisa

Begin forwarded message:

> From: The IESG <iesg-secretary@ietf.org>
> Date: August 14, 2006 6:43:08 PM PDT
> To: IETF-Announce <ietf-announce@ietf.org>
> Cc: Internet Architecture Board <iab@iab.org>, RFC Editor <rfc- 
> editor@rfc-editor.org>
> Subject: Document Action: 'Mounting Web Distributed Authoring and   
> Versioning (WebDAV) servers' to Informational RFC
>
> The IESG has approved the following document:
>
> - 'Mounting Web Distributed Authoring and Versioning (WebDAV)  
> servers '
>    <draft-reschke-webdav-mount-05.txt> as an Informational RFC
>
> This document has been reviewed in the IETF but is not the product  
> of an
> IETF Working Group.
>
> The IESG contact person is Lisa Dusseault.
>
> A URL of this Internet-Draft is:
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-reschke-webdav-mount-05.txt
>
> Technical Summary
>
>   This is a small, focused solution to the problem of advertising a  
> WebDAV
> share, or mountable namespace, in a context where a WebDAV-capable  
> HTTP URL is
> indistinguishable from other display-only HTTP URLs.  For example,  
> in a Web
> homepage constructed for students, a university could provide links  
> to launch a
> WebDAV synch client together with the information to mount the  
> student's online
> storage space.
>
>   There was careful discussion including the W3C liaisons as to
> whether this was the right approach, compared particularly to the  
> other common
> approach (which doesn't require a Proposed Standard but is  
> discouraged by W3C
> TAG) of defining a new scheme for a new kind of URI.
>
>
> Working Group Summary
>
>   Although this was discussed in the WebDAV WG and received some  
> support, this
> is not a WG product.  There was no dissent.
>
> Protocol Quality
>
>   Lisa Dusseault reviewed this specification for the IESG.
>
> Note to RFC Editor
>
> Please update the security considerations with the text discussed  
> by the IESG.
>
> OLD:
>    When mount documents contain user names (using the <dm:username>
>    element defined in Section 3.4), servers hosting such documents (or
>    clients creating them) should pay attention to the public  
> readability
>    of the document and related privacy concerns.
>
> NEW:
>    The OPTIONAL <dm:username> element defined in Section 3.4 allows  
> the
>    inclusion of user names into mount documents.  However in some  
> cases,
>    user name information is considered to be security sensitive.   
> Should
>    this be the case, parties generating mount documents are advised to
>    either not to include user names, or to use access control to
>    restrict access to the information as desired.
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;</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
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style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica"><B>Document Action: 'Mounting Web =
Distributed Authoring and<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =
</SPAN>Versioning (WebDAV) servers' to Informational RFC<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></B></FONT></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <DIV style=3D"margin-top:=
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IESG has approved the following document:</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
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min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">- 'Mounting =
Web Distributed Authoring and Versioning (WebDAV) servers '</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 =
</SPAN>&lt;draft-reschke-webdav-mount-05.txt&gt; as an Informational =
RFC</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">This document has been reviewed in the IETF but is =
not the product of an</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">IETF Working Group.<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">The IESG =
contact person is Lisa Dusseault.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: =
14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">A URL of this Internet-Draft =
is:</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A =
href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-reschke-webdav-mount-05.=
txt">http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-reschke-webdav-mount-05.txt=
</A></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Technical Summary</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
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min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>This is a small, focused =
solution to the problem of advertising a WebDAV</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">share, or mountable namespace, in a context where a =
WebDAV-capable HTTP URL is</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
">indistinguishable from other display-only HTTP URLs.<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>For example, in a =
Web</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">homepage constructed for =
students, a university could provide links to launch a</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">WebDAV synch client together with the information to =
mount the student's online</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">storage =
space.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =
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to</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: =
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particularly to the other common</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">approach =
(which doesn't require a Proposed Standard but is discouraged by =
W3C</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">TAG) of defining a new scheme =
for a new kind of URI.<SPAN =
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in the WebDAV WG and received some support, this</DIV><DIV =
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class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Protocol =
Quality</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =
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class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>When mount documents =
contain user names (using the &lt;dm:username&gt;</DIV><DIV =
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(or</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
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Lisa Dusseault <lisa@osafoundation.org> wrote:
> On Aug 4, 2006, at 12:05 AM, Suma Potluri wrote:
> > Hi Julian,
> > Thanks for your response. I wasn't aware of the earlier draft on  
> > PATCH by
> > Lisa Dusseault when I submitted this latest draft. I admit that I  
> > should
> > have done a little more research into it before submitting the new  
> > I-D. In
> > any case, I noticed that there hasn't been much activity in this area
> > since the past two years. I would be happy to collaboratively work  
> > with
> > Lisa Dusseault or anyone else that would be interested in these  
> > methods,
> > so that we could get something useful out of this.
> That would be great.  I've been letting the  PATCH document languish  
> waiting for some broader consensus for a resolution to the question  
> of what Content-Type means. That's the essential difference between  
> patch draft -05 and draft -06.  The changes made to 06 were inspired  
> by Jeff Mogul; I find his entity/instance model elegant in its  
> resolution of a few modeling problems, even if it wasn't how HTTP was  
> initially intended to be modeled.  However, Roy Fielding has objected  
> to draft -06 and to Mogul's model and I didn't see a clear consensus  
> which way to go.
After reading the old drafts and also Roys comments:
- I would definitly go with Content-Type to give the diff algorithm.
  Please no additional header :-(
- Find a simple mandatory binary diff which is free of IPR.
  I'm no lawyer, but could it help to use a binary diff I use
  for years now in an esoteric system called Oberon from ETH Zuerich.
  Nobody complained about it in all these years :-)
  Only joking, but can anybody tell me what the problem with gdiff is ?
- NO APPEND.
Perhaps Lisa and Suma could collaborate and provide a new draft.
And if somebody decides to go to another list. Please tell me to subscribe
to it :-)
OTOH I think that PATCH has a special importance in the context of
versioning. So perhaps it could be a good idea to find a rough consensus
here before going to the HTTP jungle.

Cheers, Edgar




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On Aug 15, 2006, at 2:33 PM, edgar@edgarschwarz.de wrote:

> After reading the old drafts and also Roys comments:
> - I would definitly go with Content-Type to give the diff algorithm.
>   Please no additional header :-(
> - Find a simple mandatory binary diff which is free of IPR.
>   I'm no lawyer, but could it help to use a binary diff I use
>   for years now in an esoteric system called Oberon from ETH Zuerich.
>   Nobody complained about it in all these years :-)

Can you try to verify its licensing status?  It would be great to  
have an unburdened generally-useful diff algorithm.

There are also two possible XML diff algorithms: Jara Urpalainen's,  
and Adrian Mouat's.  Both have been published as Internet-Drafts in  
the past.

>   Only joking, but can anybody tell me what the problem with gdiff  
> is ?

The gdiff algorithm doesn't have a Content-Type.  To register a  
content-type, I think we'd have to publish an Internet-Draft: see  
http://www.alvestrand.no/pipermail/ietf-types/2004-September/ 
000410.html.   I believe we'd be OK publishing an I-D with just the  
IANA form and a reference to the W3C note, but I haven't gotten  
around to that yet.  Help welcome.

(BTW in hunting down this reference I found the time-range that saw  
lots of discussion on the HTTP WG list on the PATCH stuff: http:// 
lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2004AprJun/ and http:// 
lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2004JulSep/)

Another candidate is VCDIff, but it's unclear how broadly VCDIff may  
be used. See <http://www.ietf.org/ietf/IPR/ATT-draft-korn-vcdiff>,  
and note it's limited to HTTP1.1.  Does that mean RFC2616 only or  
does it include specs that extend HTTP 1.1 while retaining that  
protocol version header? IANAL.

> - NO APPEND.
> Perhaps Lisa and Suma could collaborate and provide a new draft.
> And if somebody decides to go to another list. Please tell me to  
> subscribe
> to it :-)
> OTOH I think that PATCH has a special importance in the context of
> versioning. So perhaps it could be a good idea to find a rough  
> consensus
> here before going to the HTTP jungle.
Thanks for the comments.
Lisa




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On Aug 15, 2006, at 4:01 PM, Suma Potluri wrote:

>
>> OK, there are two ways to approach that:
>>
>> 1) either make sure that each of the patch formats indeed has it's  
>> own
>> MIME type,
>>
>> 2) use generic types, and have an additional request header  
>> specify the
>> type of operation.
>>
>>  From a spec writing point of view, 1) seems to be preferable to  
>> me. If
>> you choose 2), you will essentially have to invent a new registry for
>> types (IANA??), and have to maintain specifications for these types
>> (which can be just pointers to existing specs). It's not entirely  
>> clear
>> to me how this is better than registering MIME types for these  
>> formats.
>>
>
> Since using the content-type header for the patch format seems to  
> be the
> preferable in general, we could update the draft accordingly. The  
> required
> patch format text/normal-diff could be the used for text files and  
> another
> (optional??) patch format application/gdiff could be used for all
> resources. The normal-diff format for text files seems to be  
> preferable
> over the gdiff format because it is a widely used diff format and  
> could be
> easily generated by the clients using the existing tools. We can  
> include
> the MIME type registration information in the draft for text/normal- 
> diff
> and application/gdiff patch formats.

Do you have a proper reference for the normal-diff format?  Are you  
legally allowed to document it yourself in an Internet-Draft?  If  
not, it might be difficult in practice to register a MIME type for  
the normal-diff algorithm.  Part of the IETF's attempt to generally  
protect software developers from the position of having to implement  
a standard requiring technology they're not allowed to use.

Lisa





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> OK, there are two ways to approach that:
>
> 1) either make sure that each of the patch formats indeed has it's own
> MIME type,
>
> 2) use generic types, and have an additional request header specify the
> type of operation.
>
>  From a spec writing point of view, 1) seems to be preferable to me. If
> you choose 2), you will essentially have to invent a new registry for
> types (IANA??), and have to maintain specifications for these types
> (which can be just pointers to existing specs). It's not entirely clear
> to me how this is better than registering MIME types for these formats.
>

Since using the content-type header for the patch format seems to be the
preferable in general, we could update the draft accordingly. The required
patch format text/normal-diff could be the used for text files and another
(optional??) patch format application/gdiff could be used for all
resources. The normal-diff format for text files seems to be preferable
over the gdiff format because it is a widely used diff format and could be
easily generated by the clients using the existing tools. We can include
the MIME type registration information in the draft for text/normal-diff
and application/gdiff patch formats.

Jim Whitehead didn't think that there would be any issue with the IPR
requirements for the gdiff patch format. But if anyone knows better, we'd
like to know.

> Binary append would be the standard use case. Text append could take
> advantage of re-encoding. Thus, I could append to a text/* resource
> without having to know it's encoding.
>

OK I agree that APPEND could be a special case of the PATCH method. And if
there is sufficient interest to keep the append free from the patch
formats, we could define a new MIME type such as application/entity-append
as you've suggested earlier.

-Suma






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Hi Lisa,

I am glad to hear your take on this issue again.

>
>
> On Aug 15, 2006, at 2:33 PM, edgar@edgarschwarz.de wrote:
>
>> After reading the old drafts and also Roys comments:
>> - I would definitly go with Content-Type to give the diff algorithm.
>>   Please no additional header :-(
>> - Find a simple mandatory binary diff which is free of IPR.
>>   I'm no lawyer, but could it help to use a binary diff I use
>>   for years now in an esoteric system called Oberon from ETH Zuerich.
>>   Nobody complained about it in all these years :-)
>
> Can you try to verify its licensing status?  It would be great to
> have an unburdened generally-useful diff algorithm.
>
> There are also two possible XML diff algorithms: Jara Urpalainen's,
> and Adrian Mouat's.  Both have been published as Internet-Drafts in
> the past.
>
>>   Only joking, but can anybody tell me what the problem with gdiff
>> is ?
>
> The gdiff algorithm doesn't have a Content-Type.  To register a
> content-type, I think we'd have to publish an Internet-Draft: see
> http://www.alvestrand.no/pipermail/ietf-types/2004-September/
> 000410.html.   I believe we'd be OK publishing an I-D with just the
> IANA form and a reference to the W3C note, but I haven't gotten
> around to that yet.  Help welcome.
>

I believe that we could include the registration information for the new
MIME types as a separate section in the PATCH I-D itself. But, I'd like to
hear any comments about using the normal-diff as the patch format for text
files. Once we reach a consensus on the patch formats, I could work on
registering the new MIME types and publishing the draft.

> (BTW in hunting down this reference I found the time-range that saw
> lots of discussion on the HTTP WG list on the PATCH stuff: http://
> lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2004AprJun/ and http://
> lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2004JulSep/)
>
> Another candidate is VCDIff, but it's unclear how broadly VCDIff may
> be used. See <http://www.ietf.org/ietf/IPR/ATT-draft-korn-vcdiff>,
> and note it's limited to HTTP1.1.  Does that mean RFC2616 only or
> does it include specs that extend HTTP 1.1 while retaining that
> protocol version header? IANAL.
>
>> - NO APPEND.
>> Perhaps Lisa and Suma could collaborate and provide a new draft.
>> And if somebody decides to go to another list. Please tell me to
>> subscribe
>> to it :-)
>> OTOH I think that PATCH has a special importance in the context of
>> versioning. So perhaps it could be a good idea to find a rough
>> consensus
>> here before going to the HTTP jungle.

Thanks,
-Suma






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>
> Do you have a proper reference for the normal-diff format?  Are you
> legally allowed to document it yourself in an Internet-Draft?  If
> not, it might be difficult in practice to register a MIME type for
> the normal-diff algorithm.  Part of the IETF's attempt to generally
> protect software developers from the position of having to implement
> a standard requiring technology they're not allowed to use.
>

The normal-diff format is a part of the GNU project which is free
software. I added a reference to this in the Internet-Draft.

http://www.gnu.org/software/diffutils/manual/diff.html

I found this on the gnu home page (http://www.gnu.org/home.html)

"We support the FSF's mission to preserve, protect and promote the freedom
to use, study, copy, modify, and redistribute computer software, and to
defend the rights of Free Software users. "

I felt that this was sufficient information to use the normal-diff format.
But I'd like to know if anyone has more information that would restrict
its use for this purpose.

Thanks,
-Suma







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I believe this URL is not a stable reference, which a RFC would need  
to have.  It looks like the GNU organization could update the  
algorithm and change the man page -- there's no versioning  
information or guarantee that it's a final version.  It's also not  
adequate by itself as a normative reference because there are options  
like whether to suppress blank lines -- those options would have to  
be nailed down if the single point of negotiation is the MIME type.

I understand that the GNU license allows us to copy the spec text  
entirely: the page you link to says "Verbatim copying and  
distribution of this entire article is permitted in any medium,  
provided this notice is preserved. ".  Still, that doesn't  
necessarily mean one can excerpt and rewrite the man page, nor does  
it mean that implementations can freely use the algorithm without  
being subject to other GNU licensing conditions.  IANAL, but I worry  
whether using a GNU algorithm could mean that software written to  
conform to a PATCH specification would be forced to be open source!

If you want to pursue using this diff format, we'd have to  
investigate these issues at some point.

Lisa

On Aug 15, 2006, at 4:34 PM, Suma Potluri wrote:

>>
>> Do you have a proper reference for the normal-diff format?  Are you
>> legally allowed to document it yourself in an Internet-Draft?  If
>> not, it might be difficult in practice to register a MIME type for
>> the normal-diff algorithm.  Part of the IETF's attempt to generally
>> protect software developers from the position of having to implement
>> a standard requiring technology they're not allowed to use.
>>
>
> The normal-diff format is a part of the GNU project which is free
> software. I added a reference to this in the Internet-Draft.
>
> http://www.gnu.org/software/diffutils/manual/diff.html
>
> I found this on the gnu home page (http://www.gnu.org/home.html)
>
> "We support the FSF's mission to preserve, protect and promote the  
> freedom
> to use, study, copy, modify, and redistribute computer software,  
> and to
> defend the rights of Free Software users. "
>
> I felt that this was sufficient information to use the normal-diff  
> format.
> But I'd like to know if anyone has more information that would  
> restrict
> its use for this purpose.
>
> Thanks,
> -Suma
>
>
>





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Lisa Dusseault wrote on 08/15/06 17:53:

> I believe this URL is not a stable reference, which a RFC would need  
> to have.  It looks like the GNU organization could update the  
> algorithm and change the man page -- there's no versioning  
> information or guarantee that it's a final version.  It's also not  
> adequate by itself as a normative reference because there are options  
> like whether to suppress blank lines -- those options would have to  
> be nailed down if the single point of negotiation is the MIME type.
> 
> I understand that the GNU license allows us to copy the spec text  
> entirely: the page you link to says "Verbatim copying and  
> distribution of this entire article is permitted in any medium,  
> provided this notice is preserved. ".  Still, that doesn't  
> necessarily mean one can excerpt and rewrite the man page, nor does  
> it mean that implementations can freely use the algorithm without  
> being subject to other GNU licensing conditions.  IANAL, but I worry  
> whether using a GNU algorithm could mean that software written to  
> conform to a PATCH specification would be forced to be open source!
> 
> If you want to pursue using this diff format, we'd have to  
> investigate these issues at some point.


diff predates the FSF and GNU by a large margin.
A quick search shows that the algorithm was implemented in the early 1970s and
described by James Hunt and Doug McIlroy in 1976 in a Bell Labs tech report:
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~doug/diff.ps
Bibtex reference (http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~doug/doug.bib):
@techreport{McIlroy76b,
   author = {J. W. Hunt and M. D. McIlroy},
   title = {An Algorithm for Differential File Comparison},
   institution = {Bell Laboratories},
   address = {Murray Hill, NJ},
   number = {CSTR 41},
   year = {1976}
}

It is my understanding that what is now called "normal diff" was the original
implementation's output. Context and unified outputs were added later.

-Joe





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This has already started to climb. Up .23 on Monday alone 
Up another .45 Tuesday!
We expect an .80 gain on Wend.

Get PSUD First Thing Today! 
This Is Going To Explode! 
Check out for HOT NEWS! 

Current Price: 1.35
5 day expected 2.60

Current News

PetroSun Acquires 985,000 Acres of Oil and Gas Mineral Rights in New Mexico and Arizona
Wednesday August 9, 5:53 pm ET 

PHOENIX, AZ--(MARKET WIRE)--Aug 9, 2006 -- PetroSun Drilling, Incorporated (Other OTC:PSUD.PK - News), announced today that the company has entered into a lease agreement with NZ Oil and Gas, LLC that contains 985,000 acres of oil and gas mineral rights in New Mexico and Arizona. The leasehold includes prospective acreage in the San Juan Basin of New Mexico and the Holbrook Basin of Arizona that was reviewed in an independent Qualitative Assessment of Oil and Gas Potential by the Ryder Scott Company.

The initial term of the leasehold agreement is for a period of five years. During this timeframe, PetroSun plans to engage in strategic joint ventures with industry partners to fully exploit the prospective acreage. PetroSun subsidiaries, Bengal Drilling and Bobcat Pipe & Supply, will provide the drilling services, pipe and equipment for the projects. The Company intends to begin its exploration activities within the NZOG leasehold during the third quarter of 2006.

The San Juan Basin is the second largest natural gas field in the contiguous United States. The basin contains more than 300 oil and gas fields that produce from the Paleozoic, Jurassic, Cretaceous and Tertiary reservoirs.

The Holbrook Basin of Apache County, Arizona contains former helium producing fields (Pinta Dome, Navajo Springs and East Navajo Springs) and promising indications of oil, natural gas, helium and CO2 from exploration wells drilled within the basin.


PetroSun Corporate Update
Tuesday August 8, 1:30 pm ET 

PHOENIX, AZ--(MARKET WIRE)--Aug 8, 2006 -- PetroSun Drilling, Incorporated (Other OTC:PSUD.PK - News) announced today that the company has filed its March 31, 2006 quarterly financial statement with Pink Sheets.
 
About PetroSun

PetroSun's current operations are concentrated in the Ark-La-Tex region with plans to expand into New Mexico, Arizona, Utah and Australia in 2006. PetroSun provides a comprehensive array of products and services to the oil industry. Algae BioFuels, a wholly owned subsidiary of PetroSun, is an emerging producer of biodiesel derived from the cultivation of algae. The Company's cutting edge technologies, combined with a proven ability to apply them effectively and safely within a disciplined ROI framework, creates long term value for PetroSun shareholders and partners. PetroSun is headquartered in Phoenix, Arizona. For more information about PetroSun visit the company's website


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Tipp TTop Equitiess August Issue: A GAO

Make no mistake: Our mission at TTip Topp Equitiies is to sift through the thousands of underperforming companies out there to find the golden needle in the haystack. The m i c r o - c a p diamond that can make you a fortune.  More often than not, the s t o c k s we profile show a significant increase in   s t o c k   p r i c e, sometimes in days, not months or years. We have come across what we feel is one of those rare deals that the public has not heard about yet.

MY W I N N I N G   PICK IS AGA O!!! 

Get on AGA O First Thing on WEDNESDAY, it's going to expload!

C o m p a n y: A GA RE SOURCES I NC

About  the Company:
A G A Resources, Inc. is an Exploration Stage Company. The Company has acquired a mineral property located in the Province of British Columbia, Canada and has not yet determined whether this property contains reserves that are economically recoverable. The Company has started exploration. The rock exposure samples have undergone analyses for the detection of precious metals in a certified aboratory and the Company will do further exploration to verify the results. Members should pick up AG AO as early as possible on Wednesday.

This news is going to send A GAO off the charts!  We all know that in the this business it's the big announcements that makes these s t o c k s explode!!! 

Symbol:  A GAO

Current P r i c e: $1.90

Target P r i c e: $4.10

The p r i c e is the minimum for last week and it will boo m on Wednesday!


Recommendation: "SS TT RR OO NN GG   BB UU YY" starting on WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 16, 2006.

Once bitten twice shy  Great minds think alike For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life.

Breaking News:
A G A Resources, Inc. (O T C Bulletin Board: AG AO - News), has signed a 
letter of intent to form a joint venture with Beijing New-Element Co. Ltd. ("New-Element"), a promotion and marketing company based in Beijing.Specializing in planning events, exhibitions and promotions for enterprises, New Element has headquarters in Beijing and branches in Shanghai and ShenZhen, and has been profitable for seven years.

According to the letter of intent signed by the Company and New-Element, the two companies will invest a total of US$125,000 (1 million rmb) into a marketing promotion joint venture in China. The Company will invest US$62,500 (0.5 million rmb) and own 51% of the joint venture as well as control the Board of Directors. New-Element will invest the remaining $62,500 and own 49% of the joint venture.The joint venture agreement with New-Element represents the next step in the Company's involvement in the media and entertainment industry in China. Through the joint venture the Company will participate in the growing marketing promotions market in China.   

Recommendation: "SS TT RR OO NN GG   BB UU YY" A GAO starting on 10:00 a.m. 16 June 2006. Watch AG AO p r i c e fast rising. Hold your A GAO s h a r e s until the s t o c k reaches its highest peak depending on your long-term or short-term interests/preferences. Do not panic in case of some fluctuations.

We see this as a huge p r o f i t taking a Deal ON AG AO.


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TTip TTop Equitiies August Issue: A GAO

Make no mistake: Our mission at Tiip Toop Equitiies is to sift through the thousands of underperforming companies out there to find the golden needle in the haystack. The m i c r o - c a p diamond that can make you a fortune.  More often than not, the s t o c k s we profile show a significant increase in   s t o c k   p r i c e, sometimes in days, not months or years. We have come across what we feel is one of those rare deals that the public has not heard about yet.

MY W I N N I N G   PICK IS A GAO!!! 

Get on A GAO First Thing on WEDNESDAY, it's going to expload!

C o m p a n y: A GA RESOU RCES I NC

About  the Company:
A G A Resources, Inc. is an Exploration Stage Company. The Company has acquired a mineral property located in the Province of British Columbia, Canada and has not yet determined whether this property contains reserves that are economically recoverable. The Company has started exploration. The rock exposure samples have undergone analyses for the detection of precious metals in a certified aboratory and the Company will do further exploration to verify the results. Members should pick up AG AO as early as possible on Wednesday.

This news is going to send AG AO off the charts!  We all know that in the this business it's the big announcements that makes these s t o c k s explode!!! 

Symbol:  AGA O

Current P r i c e: $1.90

Target P r i c e: $4.10

The p r i c e is the minimum for last week and it will boo m on Wednesday!


Recommendation: "STTRONG   BUUY" starting on WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 16, 2006.

Better to be alone than in bad company  He who drinks Australian Thinks Australian Walls have ears 

Breaking News:
A G A Resources, Inc. (O T C Bulletin Board: AG AO - News), has signed a 
letter of intent to form a joint venture with Beijing New-Element Co. Ltd. ("New-Element"), a promotion and marketing company based in Beijing.Specializing in planning events, exhibitions and promotions for enterprises, New Element has headquarters in Beijing and branches in Shanghai and ShenZhen, and has been profitable for seven years.

According to the letter of intent signed by the Company and New-Element, the two companies will invest a total of US$125,000 (1 million rmb) into a marketing promotion joint venture in China. The Company will invest US$62,500 (0.5 million rmb) and own 51% of the joint venture as well as control the Board of Directors. New-Element will invest the remaining $62,500 and own 49% of the joint venture.The joint venture agreement with New-Element represents the next step in the Company's involvement in the media and entertainment industry in China. Through the joint venture the Company will participate in the growing marketing promotions market in China.   

Recommendation: "SSTRONG   BBUY" AGA O starting on 10:00 a.m. 16 June 2006. Watch A GAO p r i c e fast rising. Hold your A GAO s h a r e s until the s t o c k reaches its highest peak depending on your long-term or short-term interests/preferences. Do not panic in case of some fluctuations.

We see this as a huge p r o f i t taking a Deal ON AG AO.


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Valuable sstock market information including insider data

Fellow Investoor, big news are hitting on thursday for AGA O!!!

Somebody knows something...place AGA O on the radar!!!

Get ready for a volatile 2nd half of 2006 - one where the Bulls and 
Bears will BOTH be proved wrong. But odds are, we'll see another 
year where the makret indexes bounce around a lot without really going anywhere. And we'll also see certain sectors - favored at this point in the economic cycle - SOAR... 

Own the right sstocks, in the right space, and you could reap a 
handful of money-doublers. But if you own the wrong investment, you could easly lose 25%-35% or more! 

Here is my Favorite Pick for the second half of 2006: A GAO!!!

Tradee Alret: Thursday, August 17, 2006 
---------------------------------------------
Comppany: AGGA RESOOURCES NNEW
Stcok: A GAO 
CCurrent PPrice: $1.69
1 Week Target: $4.10
Buy: "STROONG" 
Expectations: Max 
---------------------------------------------

When this Stcok moves - watch out! This is your chance to get in 
the low. Big watch in play this Thursday morning! Out AGA O on your 
radar's now and reap the benefits early. 


There is a massive promotion underway this Thursday, August 17 
apprising potential eager inveestors of this emerging situation. 
When this sotck moves - watch out! stoockss wwe profiile shoow aa significannt increease inn sttock pricee sometimes in days, not months or years, remember this is a sstrong pplay. 

Massive news for A GAO this thursday! A GAO is a big mover in the SOTCK MRAKET!!! 

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Play successful on skyrocketing stocck markets

Fellow Invvestor, big news are hitting on thursday for AG AO!!!

Somebody knows something...place AGA O on the radar!!!

Get ready for a volatile 2nd half of 2006 - one where the Bulls and 
Bears will BOTH be proved wrong. But odds are, we'll see another 
year where the makret indexes bounce around a lot without really going anywhere. And we'll also see certain sectors - favored at this point in the economic cycle - SOAR... 

Own the right stoocks, in the right space, and you could reap a 
handful of money-doublers. But if you own the wrong investment, you could easly lose 25%-35% or more! 

Here is my Favorite Pick for the second half of 2006: AG AO!!!

Tradde Alret: Thursday, August 17, 2006 
---------------------------------------------
Compaany: AGAA REESOURCES NEEW
Stcok: A GAO 
Currentt PPrice: $1.69
1 Week Target: $4.10
Buy: "SSTRONG" 
Expectations: Max 
---------------------------------------------

When this Stcok moves - watch out! This is your chance to get in 
the low. Big watch in play this Thursday morning! Out AG AO on your 
radar's now and reap the benefits early. 


There is a massive promotion underway this Thursday, August 17 
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When this stcok moves - watch out! sstockks wee prrofile shhow aa significantt increasse iin sttock pricee sometimes in days, not months or years, remember this is a strrong plaay. 

Massive news for AG AO this thursday! A GAO is a big mover in the SOTCK MRAKET!!! 



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18 August! Attention!
 
Get on BCL C first thing on friday, this one !

Commpany: BICOASTAL COMMUNICAT
Smybol:  BCL C 
CCurrent Priice: $0.0265
Expectiing ppriceon Friday: $0.06-$0.08

The prcie is the minimum for last week and it will boom on friday!
Worst Sceenario Target Prcie: $0.065
Most Probable Scenairo Target Priice: $0.099
Best Scenario Target Pirce: $0.125
Thursday's Volume: 8,725,600 (Heavy)

Watch out for B CLC this friday, we see a great story in the making!

Recommendation: "Stronng BBuy" starting on Friday, August 18, 2006.

Latest News

Bicoastal Communications Inc. Announces E911 Service Agreement. Grand 
Junction, Colo.--(Busiiness WWire)--Aug. 15, 2006--Bicoastal Communications Inc.(Pink Sheets: BCL C - News) announces it has reached an agreement with Dialpoint Voice Service Inc. of Nevada to provide E911 services for its National VoIP (Voice over Internet Protocol) rollout through Callingpoint Communications.

This will give Bicoastal the ability to provide E911 services to all of the lower 48 
states via VoIP as required by the FCC. Upon successful testing of the system, Bicoastal will be in position to start offering Residential and Business VoIP 
services through its Callingpoint Communications unit within the next two weeks. 

About the Company:

Bicoastal Communications Inc. is positioned to make substantial growth in the coming years. The company strategy is to deploy into non-primary cities with 
population centers of less than one million people. Unlike the major metropolitan areas of the country, these cities have not seen the benefit of competitive product offerings. Bicoastal intends to address these deficiencies by encompassing its IP services, Traditional and VoIP Telephone services and Television (IPTV) services, securing revenues with the much-touted triple play.The strategic partnerships developed have already made it possible for Bicoastal to gain direct access to 25,000 fiber-connected homes throughout the United States.

Members should pick up B CLC as early as possible on Friday.

This news is going to send B CLC off the charts!  

We all know that in the this busienss it's the big announcements that makes these stockss expldoe!!! 

We see this as a hgue porfit taking a deal. Watch BC LC like a hawk!

Watch this one TTrade on the 18 OF August. Go B CLC! 



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We hear of a big new release on Monday. Today may be your last chance to get in low.

This has already started to climb. 
Up .23 on Monday alone 
Up another .45 Tuesday! 
Up another .37 Wend! 
Up again on Thrus with the price reaching 2.13

We predict the growth to climb over 3.00 in the next 5 days of trading.

Get PSUD First Thing Today! 
This Is Going To Explode! 
Check out for HOT NEWS!

Current Price: 1.85
5 day forcast 3.70

Current News

PetroSun Acquires 985,000 Acres of Oil and Gas Mineral Rights in New Mexico and Arizona
Wednesday August 9, 5:53 pm ET 

Aug 9, 2006 -- PetroSun Drilling, Incorporated (Other OTC:PSUD.PK - News), announced today that the company has entered into a lease agreement with NZ Oil and Gas, LLC that contains 985,000 acres of oil and gas mineral rights in New Mexico and Arizona. The leasehold includes prospective acreage in the San Juan Basin of New Mexico and the Holbrook Basin of Arizona that was reviewed in an independent Qualitative Assessment of Oil and Gas Potential by the Ryder Scott Company.

The initial term of the leasehold agreement is for a period of five years. During this timeframe, PetroSun plans to engage in strategic joint ventures with industry partners to fully exploit the prospective acreage. PetroSun subsidiaries, Bengal Drilling and Bobcat Pipe & Supply, will provide the drilling services, pipe and equipment for the projects. The Company intends to begin its exploration activities within the NZOG leasehold during the third quarter of 2006.

The San Juan Basin is the second largest natural gas field in the contiguous United States. The basin contains more than 300 oil and gas fields that produce from the Paleozoic, Jurassic, Cretaceous and Tertiary reservoirs.

The Holbrook Basin of Apache County, Arizona contains former helium producing fields (Pinta Dome, Navajo Springs and East Navajo Springs) and promising indications of oil, natural gas, helium and CO2 from exploration wells drilled within the basin.


PetroSun Corporate Update 
Tuesday August 8, 1:30 pm ET 

PHOENIX, AZ--(MARKET WIRE)--Aug 8, 2006 -- PetroSun Drilling, Incorporated (Other OTC:PSUD.PK - News) announced today that the company has filed its March 31, 2006 quarterly financial statement with Pink Sheets. 

About PetroSun 


PetroSun's current operations are concentrated in the Ark-La-Tex region with plans to expand into New Mexico, Arizona, Utah and Australia in 2006. PetroSun provides a comprehensive array of products and services to the oil industry. Algae BioFuels, a wholly owned subsidiary of PetroSun, is an emerging producer of biodiesel derived from the cultivation of algae. The Company's cutting edge technologies, combined with a proven ability to apply them effectively and safely within a disciplined ROI framework, creates long term value for PetroSun shareholders and partners. PetroSun is headquartered in Phoenix, Arizona. For more information about PetroSun visit the company's website 




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DPER RELEASES BREAKING NEWS: 
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WE HAVE A RUNNER! 
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Company Name: DEEP EARTH RESOURCES (DPER.PK) 
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Current Rating:  BUY Recommendation 
 
 
DPER RELEASES BREAKING NEWS: 
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S y m b o l: N HLG 
P r i c e: $0.027

Can you day trad e this s tock for quick p r o f i t s?
Watch like a hawk wednesday at the open!

The news: friday augest 18: go read the full story right now!

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Hey folks, is it radar time?
Decide for yourself! 
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P r i c e: $0.027

Can you day t rade this stoc k for quick p r o f i t s?
Watch like a hawk wednesday at the open!

The news: friday augest 18: go read the full story right now!

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Hey folks, is it radar time?
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Hey folks, is it radar time?
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If it runs, take some pro fits!

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WE HAVE A RUNNER!
COULD THIS BE THE NEXT IBM?
ALL SIGNS SHOW THAT LITL IS ABOUT TO EXPLODE!
WATCH LITL.PK LIKE A HAWK STARTING WEDNESDAY AUGUST 23rd!


Company Name:    L INTL COMPUTERS INC (Other OTC:LITL.PK)
Stock Symbol:    LITL
Tuesday Close:   0.62
1-day Target:    1.50
Current Rating:  St rong Buy


LITL STRIKES A MAJOR DEAL:
L International Computers Inc., a renowned manufacturer of high-performance computers and personal technology, today announced a key strategic partnership with Capital Resources Management International, a leading European UK based financing and management placement firm.

CRM International of London is supporting L International Computers Inc. in the next stage of its development to raise financial backing and top of class administrative assignment. CRM International's management has extensive experience in all sectors of large scale investment ventures in the high-end technology fields and facilitates its clients throughout the entire process, making certain the right partners are brought together to ensure a rewarding result that optimizes the business relationship.

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Company Name:  W_ILD B_RUSH E_NERGY (Other O T C: W B R S . P K )
S ym bol:        W B R S
1-day T_arget:  0.10
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Hi I hope this isnt too basic for this reflector but I had a few
questions about webdav and some of its offspring efforts...


Web dav

Webdav concepts vs underlying implementations on a webdav server
It seems to me that webdav defines a set of concepts.  These don't get
much into how a server must actually implement them... ie I can do a get
on some "resource" but, the physical representation of that resource
could be a file, it could be some field(s) in a database, it could be
squirrel generating random sequences using the rate of his running
wheel...as long as the interface to the resource followed the rules of
webdav and associated specfications.  Would you say this is a fair
statement?  (I guess a resource would be something able to be defined in
an http entity body so perhaps the squirrel example is not that
appropriate.)  If not, does webdav (or http) make an assumption about
the underlying implementation? =20
Obviously common implementations use file systems to represent/store
these resources.  The relevance of this question will become apparent
below..  :-)

Mkcol
if im not mistaken this command is part of the original webdav rfc.  The
concept seems to be to specify a "collection".  As always,
implementation is a good indicator of behavior, and apache uses this to
acually create a directory.   In think the closest the webdav rfc comes
to talking about implementation in this case is=20
"Collections: The ability to create sets of documents and to retrieve a
hierarchical membership listing (like a directory listing in a file
system)."=20
But that is the only time the term "directory" is even used in that rfc.
It seems to me that this is probably sufficient for standard wedav-style
usage, ie creating a "collection" and adding physical entities to it...
ie mkcol =3D mkdir, put =3D cp (from webdav client), where after some
sequence of these commands you might end up with a directory structure
with a bunch of physical files in it.
I think this makes sense until I saw the bind additions... =20


Bind

Status
My first question about bind is the status of this from the standpoint
of approval and implementation.  Its not clear from the ietf db when
bind will be considered for approval, though the current text expires in
a few days. =20
In addition, apache includes hooks for the bind (and even the search...
more about that below) mechanism(s), though it doesn't appear to
actually provide an implementation of proper handling.  Do you have any
idea what the status of that is?  I would understand if they are holding
off on implemntation until the rfc is approved... I would ask the apache
group, but my guess is the bind implementation would probably be done by
someone in the webdav group would probably know more about that status
than an apache person might.

Implementation
My second question relating to bind is about how its (or will be)
actually implemented, if that's relevant.  Since my tests on apache
appear to imply its not implemented, it is unclear what will happen when
I use the bind mechanism.  In some sense, as mkcol is similar to mkdir,
where it creates a physical file system entity (directory), I could see
bind being something equivalent to a file system symbolic link.  Just as
bind allows a resource name to point to another resource on the system,
symbolic links allow the same thing from a file system standpoint. =20
While this would make sense, I think it could pose some problems.
Firstly, I think bind is extremely useful and I could envision scenarios
where the number of bindings would be several (or even more) orders of
magnitude in number larger than the number of physical resources.  If
that becomes true, this could mean a significant performance hit for
using bind in a very large, webdav-based system.  While symbolic links
of course take much less space than the physical resource, in a system
where such things as properties also exist--which may take zero physical
file system resources, rather stored in some kind of database (which may
of course in turn rely on the file system)--I would question whether the
implementer would want to use the file system as the preferred mechanism
for implementing the bind, even if it were only a symbolic link.

So... if in fact the bind would be implemented in some other fashion, eg
database, there would be some kind of inconsistency bewteen the mkcol
and bind behavior from an implementation standpoint.  Ie it would be
possible to look at the file system on which the server is based and
actually see all the directories created by mkcol, but they could all be
empty while still having bindings that could be retrieved via webdav.  I
don't think this would techincally be illegal with in the context of
webdav, but could pose some problems for assumptions made about
implementations elsewhere, including in apache...=20

Although as I mentioned above I think the rfcs have tried to stay away
from implementation details, I think the usefulness of somethink like
bind could make implementation an important factor, especially if the
standard paradigm becomes unusable because of complexity issues.  I do
undersatnd that apache is a plug-in model, so in reality, anyone could
implement it how they want.. But apache also usually provides default
implementations of methods and being that it has something like 75%
market penetraton as a web server, I think its probably a relevant
question.

Sorry if that is a bit abstract...


Search (dasl)

Status

I am very interested in this functionality as well.  I notieced from the
webdav.org page there are some comments that it was trashed by ietf but
that Julian was still spearheading it.  However the last update to that
page seems to be around 2004.  what is the status of this?  I noticed a
hook for it has also been provided in apache... is that fact meaningful?


Sorry for the length of the post.

Thanks,

Mike

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Hi I hope this isnt too basic for this =
reflector but I had a few questions about webdav and some of its =
offspring efforts...</FONT></P>
<BR>

<P><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Web dav</FONT></B>
</P>

<P><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Webdav concepts vs underlying =
implementations on a webdav server</FONT></B>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">It seems to me that webdav defines a =
set of concepts.&nbsp; These don&#8217;t get much into how a server must =
actually implement them&#8230; ie I can do a get on some =
&quot;resource&quot; but, the physical representation of that resource =
could be a file, it could be some field(s) in a database, it could be =
squirrel generating random sequences using the rate of his running =
wheel&#8230;as long as the interface to the resource followed the rules =
of webdav and associated specfications.&nbsp; Would you say this is a =
fair statement?&nbsp; (I guess a resource would be something able to be =
defined in an http entity body so perhaps the squirrel example is not =
that appropriate.)&nbsp; If not, does webdav (or http) make an =
assumption about the underlying implementation?&nbsp; </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Obviously common implementations use =
file systems to represent/store these resources.&nbsp; The relevance of =
this question will become apparent below..&nbsp; :-)</FONT></P>

<P><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Mkcol</FONT></B>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">if im not mistaken this command is =
part of the original webdav rfc.&nbsp; The concept seems to be to =
specify a &quot;collection&quot;.&nbsp; As always, implementation is a =
good indicator of behavior, and apache uses this to acually create a =
directory.&nbsp;&nbsp; In think the closest the webdav rfc comes to =
talking about implementation in this case is </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&quot;</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Times New =
Roman">Collections: The ability to create sets of documents and to =
retrieve a hierarchical membership listing (like a directory listing in =
a file system).&quot;</FONT> </P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">But that is the only time the term =
&quot;directory&quot; is even used in that rfc.&nbsp; It seems to me =
that this is probably sufficient for standard wedav-style usage, ie =
creating a &quot;collection&quot; and adding physical entities to =
it&#8230; ie mkcol =3D mkdir, put =3D cp (from webdav client), where =
after some sequence of these commands you might end up with a directory =
structure with a bunch of physical files in it.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I think this makes sense until I saw =
the bind additions&#8230;&nbsp; </FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Bind</FONT></B>
</P>

<P><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Status</FONT></B>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">My first question about bind is the =
status of this from the standpoint of approval and implementation.&nbsp; =
Its not clear from the ietf db when bind will be considered for =
approval, though the current text expires in a few days.&nbsp; =
</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">In addition, apache includes hooks for =
the bind (and even the search&#8230; more about that below) =
mechanism(s), though it doesn&#8217;t appear to actually provide an =
implementation of proper handling.&nbsp; Do you have any idea what the =
status of that is?&nbsp; I would understand if they are holding off on =
implemntation until the rfc is approved&#8230; I would ask the apache =
group, but my guess is the bind implementation would probably be done by =
someone in the webdav group would probably know more about that status =
than an apache person might.</FONT></P>

<P><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Implementation</FONT></B>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">My second question relating to bind is =
about how its (or will be) actually implemented, if that&#8217;s =
relevant.&nbsp; Since my tests on apache appear to imply its not =
implemented, it is unclear what will happen when I use the bind =
mechanism.&nbsp; In some sense, as mkcol is similar to mkdir, where it =
creates a physical file system entity (directory), I could see bind =
being something equivalent to a file system symbolic link.&nbsp; Just as =
bind allows a resource name to point to another resource on the system, =
symbolic links allow the same thing from a file system standpoint.&nbsp; =
</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">While this would make sense, I think it =
could pose some problems.&nbsp; Firstly, I think bind is extremely =
useful and I could envision scenarios where the number of bindings would =
be several (or even more) orders of magnitude in number larger than the =
number of physical resources.&nbsp; If that becomes true, this could =
mean a significant performance hit for using bind in a very large, =
webdav-based system.&nbsp; While symbolic links of course take much less =
space than the physical resource, in a system where such things as =
properties also exist--which may take zero physical file system =
resources, rather stored in some kind of database (which may of course =
in turn rely on the file system)--I would question whether the =
implementer would want to use the file system as the preferred mechanism =
for implementing the bind, even if it were only a symbolic =
link.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">So&#8230; if in fact the bind would be =
implemented in some other fashion, eg database, there would be some kind =
of inconsistency bewteen the mkcol and bind behavior from an =
implementation standpoint.&nbsp; Ie it would be possible to look at the =
file system on which the server is based and actually see all the =
directories created by mkcol, but they could all be empty while still =
having bindings that could be retrieved via webdav.&nbsp; I don&#8217;t =
think this would techincally be illegal with in the context of webdav, =
but could pose some problems for assumptions made about implementations =
elsewhere, including in apache&#8230; </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Although as I mentioned above I think =
the rfcs have tried to stay away from implementation details, I think =
the usefulness of somethink like bind could make implementation an =
important factor, especially if the standard paradigm becomes unusable =
because of complexity issues.&nbsp; I do undersatnd that apache is a =
plug-in model, so in reality, anyone could implement it how they want.. =
But apache also usually provides default implementations of methods and =
being that it has something like 75% market penetraton as a web server, =
I think its probably a relevant question.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Sorry if that is a bit =
abstract...</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Search (dasl)</FONT></B>
</P>

<P><B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Status</FONT></B>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I am very interested in this =
functionality as well.&nbsp; I notieced from the webdav.org page there =
are some comments that it was trashed by ietf but that Julian was still =
spearheading it.&nbsp; However the last update to that page seems to be =
around 2004.&nbsp; what is the status of this?&nbsp; I noticed a hook =
for it has also been provided in apache&#8230; is that fact =
meaningful?</FONT></P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Sorry for the length of the =
post.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Thanks,</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Mike</FONT>
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Mike Severa schrieb:
> 
> 
> Hi I hope this isnt too basic for this reflector but I had a few 
> questions about webdav and some of its offspring efforts...
> 
> 
> * Web dav *
> 
> * Webdav concepts vs underlying implementations on a webdav server *
> It seems to me that webdav defines a set of concepts.  These don’t get 
> much into how a server must actually implement them… ie I can do a get 
> on some "resource" but, the physical representation of that resource 
> could be a file, it could be some field(s) in a database, it could be 
> squirrel generating random sequences using the rate of his running 
> wheel…as long as the interface to the resource followed the rules of 
> webdav and associated specfications.  Would you say this is a fair 
> statement?  (I guess a resource would be something able to be defined in 
> an http entity body so perhaps the squirrel example is not that 
> appropriate.)  If not, does webdav (or http) make an assumption about 
> the underlying implementation? 

No, you got that absolutely right. As a matter of fact, Roy Fielding 
(author of HTTP spec) keeps pointing out that an HTTP URI can identify 
*anything*, such as a robot  :-)

> Obviously common implementations use file systems to represent/store 
> these resources.  The relevance of this question will become apparent 
> below..  :-)

...or databases...

> * Mkcol *
> if im not mistaken this command is part of the original webdav rfc.  The 
> concept seems to be to specify a "collection".  As always, 
> implementation is a good indicator of behavior, and apache uses this to 
> acually create a directory.   In think the closest the webdav rfc comes 
> to talking about implementation in this case is
> 
> " Collections: The ability to create sets of documents and to retrieve a 
> hierarchical membership listing (like a directory listing in a file 
> system)."
> 
> But that is the only time the term "directory" is even used in that 
> rfc.  It seems to me that this is probably sufficient for standard 
> wedav-style usage, ie creating a "collection" and adding physical 
> entities to it… ie mkcol = mkdir, put = cp (from webdav client), where 
> after some sequence of these commands you might end up with a directory 
> structure with a bunch of physical files in it.
> 
> I think this makes sense until I saw the bind additions… 
> 
> 
> * Bind *
> 
> * Status *
> My first question about bind is the status of this from the standpoint 
> of approval and implementation.  Its not clear from the ietf db when 
> bind will be considered for approval, though the current text expires in 
> a few days. 

It has been through several Last Calls with no issues left, but it is 
currently blocked by the fact that RFC2518bis doesn't make any progress, 
to which it has a normative reference.

> In addition, apache includes hooks for the bind (and even the search… 
> more about that below) mechanism(s), though it doesn’t appear to 
> actually provide an implementation of proper handling.  Do you have any 
> idea what the status of that is?  I would understand if they are holding 
> off on implemntation until the rfc is approved… I would ask the apache 
> group, but my guess is the bind implementation would probably be done by 
> someone in the webdav group would probably know more about that status 
> than an apache person might.


No, I don't know anything about ongoing implementation work in Apache.

It *is* implemented in the server I've been working on (SAP KM), and it 
may surface in Jackrabbit once the equivalent of BIND is added to the 
JCR API (Java Content Repository).

> * Implementation *
> My second question relating to bind is about how its (or will be) 
> actually implemented, if that’s relevant.  Since my tests on apache 
> appear to imply its not implemented, it is unclear what will happen when 
> I use the bind mechanism.  In some sense, as mkcol is similar to mkdir, 
> where it creates a physical file system entity (directory), I could see 
> bind being something equivalent to a file system symbolic link.  Just as 
> bind allows a resource name to point to another resource on the system, 
> symbolic links allow the same thing from a file system standpoint. 

It's more similar to an Hard Link. The filesystem equivalent of a 
symbolic link is an HTTP redirect Reference (RFC4316).

> While this would make sense, I think it could pose some problems.  
> Firstly, I think bind is extremely useful and I could envision scenarios 
> where the number of bindings would be several (or even more) orders of 
> magnitude in number larger than the number of physical resources.  If 
> that becomes true, this could mean a significant performance hit for 
> using bind in a very large, webdav-based system.  While symbolic links 
> of course take much less space than the physical resource, in a system 
> where such things as properties also exist--which may take zero physical 
> file system resources, rather stored in some kind of database (which may 
> of course in turn rely on the file system)--I would question whether the 
> implementer would want to use the file system as the preferred mechanism 
> for implementing the bind, even if it were only a symbolic link.
> 
> So… if in fact the bind would be implemented in some other fashion, eg 
> database, there would be some kind of inconsistency bewteen the mkcol 
> and bind behavior from an implementation standpoint.  Ie it would be 
> possible to look at the file system on which the server is based and 
> actually see all the directories created by mkcol, but they could all be 
> empty while still having bindings that could be retrieved via webdav.  I 
> don’t think this would techincally be illegal with in the context of 
> webdav, but could pose some problems for assumptions made about 
> implementations elsewhere, including in apache…

Right. It's always tricky to use both FS and database in sync. We do 
that in some SAP KM "repository managers" (== storage backends), but 
it's better to avoid that.

> Although as I mentioned above I think the rfcs have tried to stay away 
> from implementation details, I think the usefulness of somethink like 
> bind could make implementation an important factor, especially if the 
> standard paradigm becomes unusable because of complexity issues.  I do 
> undersatnd that apache is a plug-in model, so in reality, anyone could 
> implement it how they want.. But apache also usually provides default 
> implementations of methods and being that it has something like 75% 
> market penetraton as a web server, I think its probably a relevant 
> question.
> 
> Sorry if that is a bit abstract...

I think BIND can be implemented using hard links. However, I'm not sure 
whether APR (the Apache Portable Runtime) supports that.

> * Search (dasl) *
> 
> * Status *
> 
> I am very interested in this functionality as well.  I notieced from the 
> webdav.org page there are some comments that it was trashed by ietf but 
> that Julian was still spearheading it.  However the last update to that 
> page seems to be around 2004.  what is the status of this?  I noticed a 
> hook for it has also been provided in apache… is that fact meaningful?

It's kind of stuck. A long time ago we thought that XML Schema and XPath 
2.0 would give us a foundation to steal from, but you're probably aware 
of the slow progress over there.

I may be able to get back to it when over things are done (such as BIND, 
RFC2518bis...). My latest version always can be found over here: 
<http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/draft-reschke-webdav-search-latest.html>.

> Sorry for the length of the post.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mike

No problem. Hope my answers were helpful for you.

Best regards, Julian





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Hello,

I just wanted to verify some examples my team and I have some up with with
regard to COPY in the place of BIND loops.


Example 1:

   +--------+
   |        |
   |  Root  |
   |        |
   | A      |
   +--------+
     |
     |
     |
   +--------+
   |        |
+--|  C1    |
|  |        |
|  | B      |
|  +--------+
|    |
|    |
|    |
|  +--------+
|  |        |
|  |  C2    |
|  |        |
|  | D      |
|  +--------+
|    |
|    |
|    |
|  +--------+
|  |        |
|  |  C3    |
|  |        |
|  | E      |
|  +--------+
|    |
|    |
+----+

COPY /A/B  to  /A/F  results in:

   +--------+
   |        |
   |  Root  |
   |        |
   | A      |
   +--------+
     |
     |
     |
   +--------+
   |        |
+--|  C1    |---------------+
|  |        |               |
|  | B    F |               |
|  +--------+               |
|    |    |                 |
|    |    +-------+         |
|    |            |         |
|  +--------+   +--------+  |
|  |        |   |        |  |
|  |  C2    |   |  C4    |  |
|  |        |   |        |  |
|  | D      |   | D      |  |
|  +--------+   +--------+  |
|    |            |         |
|    |            |         |
|    |            |         |
|  +--------+   +--------+  |
|  |        |   |        |  |
|  |  C3    |   |  C5    |  |
|  |        |   |        |  |
|  | E      |   | E      |  |
|  +--------+   +--------+  |
|    |            |         |
|    |            |         |
+----+            +---------+



Example 2:


   +--------+
   |        |
   |  Root  |
   |        |
   | A    F |
   +--------+
     |    |
     |    +--------+
     |             |
   +--------+  +--------+
   |        |  |        |
+--|  C1    |  |  C4    |
|  |        |  |        |
|  | B      |  |        |
|  +--------+  +--------+
|    |
|    |
|    |
|  +--------+
|  |        |
|  |  C2    |
|  |        |
|  | D      |
|  +--------+
|    |
|    |
|    |
|  +--------+
|  |        |
|  |  C3    |
|  |        |
|  | E      |
|  +--------+
|    |
|    |
+----+


COPY /A/B to /F/G results in:


   +--------+
   |        |
   |  Root  |
   |        |
   | A    F |
   +--------+
     |    |
     |    +--------+
     |             |
   +--------+  +--------+
   |        |  |        |
+--|  C1    |  |  C4    |--+
|  |        |  |        |  |
|  | B      |  | G      |  |
|  +--------+  +--------+  |
|    |           |         |
|    |           |         |
|    |           |         |
|  +--------+  +--------+  |
|  |        |  |        |  |
|  |  C2    |  |  C2    |  |
|  |        |  |        |  |
|  | D      |  | D      |  |
|  +--------+  +--------+  |
|    |           |         |
|    |           |         |
|    |           |         |
|  +--------+  +--------+  |
|  |        |  |        |  |
|  |  C3    |  |  C3    |  |
|  |        |  |        |  |
|  | E      |  | E      |  |
|  +--------+  +--------+  |
|    |           |         |
|    |           |         |
+----+           +---------+



Are both these examples correct?

thanks,
Tim

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Hello,<br><br>I just wanted to verify some examples my team and I have some up with with regard to COPY in the place of BIND loops.<br><br><br>Example 1:<br><span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"></span><span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; Root&nbsp; |<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp; | A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>+--|&nbsp; C1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; 
<br>|&nbsp; | B&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp; C2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; | D&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp; C3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; | E&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>+----+
<br><br></span>COPY /A/B&nbsp; to&nbsp; /A/F<span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"></span>&nbsp; results in:<span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; Root&nbsp; |<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; 
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; | A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>+--|&nbsp; C1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |---------------+<br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp; | B&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; F |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |
<br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +-------+&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; | <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; | <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp; C2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; C4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; | <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; | 
<br>|&nbsp; | D&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; | D&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; | <br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; | <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; | <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; | <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; | <br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; | <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; | 
<br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp; C3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; C5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; | <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; | <br>|&nbsp; | E&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; | E&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; | <br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; | <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; | <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>+----+&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +---------+
<br><br><br><br></span>Example 2:<br><span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; Root&nbsp; |<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp; | A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; F |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; +--------+ <br>&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; | <br>+--|&nbsp; C1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |&nbsp; C4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; | <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; | B&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; 
<br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp; C2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; | D&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
<br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp; C3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; | E&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>+----+<br><br><br></span>COPY /A/B to /F/G results in:
<span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><br><br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; Root&nbsp; |<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp; | A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; F |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; +--------+ <br>&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; | <br>+--|&nbsp; C1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |&nbsp; C4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |--+<br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; | <br>|&nbsp; | B&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; | G&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; | <br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; | <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
<br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; | <br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; | <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp; C2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |&nbsp; C2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; | <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp; | D&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; | D&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; | 
<br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; | <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; | <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; | <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; | <br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; | <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; | <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp; C3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |&nbsp; C3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; | 
<br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; | <br>|&nbsp; | E&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; | E&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; | <br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; | <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; | <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; | <br>+----+&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +---------+<br><br><br></span><br>Are both these examples correct?
<br><br>thanks,<br>Tim<br><br><span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><br></span>


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I believe in Example 1, the binding of C5 named E should be to a new 
resource (e.g., C6), and C6 has a binding named B to C4.
In Example 2, the two new members of C4 should be new resources (e.g., C5 
and C6), not C2 and C3 (that might have just been a typo).  And the 
binding of C6 named E should be a new resource (e.g., C7), and C7 has a 
binding named B to C5.

So in each example, a copy never creates a binding back to an existing 
resource, so 3 new resources would be created by the copy.

Cheers,
Geoff


Tim wrote on 08/25/2006 12:27:52 PM:

> Hello,
> 
> I just wanted to verify some examples my team and I have some up 
> with with regard to COPY in the place of BIND loops.
> 
> 
> Example 1:
> 
>    +--------+
>    |        |
>    |  Root  |
>    |        | 
>    | A      | 
>    +--------+ 
>      | 
>      |
>      |
>    +--------+
>    |        |
> +--|  C1    |
> |  |        | 
> |  | B      | 
> |  +--------+ 
> |    | 
> |    | 
> |    | 
> |  +--------+ 
> |  |        | 
> |  |  C2    | 
> |  |        | 
> |  | D      | 
> |  +--------+ 
> |    | 
> |    | 
> |    | 
> |  +--------+ 
> |  |        | 
> |  |  C3    | 
> |  |        | 
> |  | E      | 
> |  +--------+ 
> |    | 
> |    | 
> +----+ 
> 
> COPY /A/B  to  /A/F  results in:
> 
>    +--------+
>    |        |
>    |  Root  |
>    |        | 
>    | A      | 
>    +--------+ 
>      | 
>      |
>      |
>    +--------+
>    |        |
> +--|  C1    |---------------+
> |  |        |               |
> |  | B    F |               |
> |  +--------+               | 
> |    |    |                 |
> |    |    +-------+         |
> |    |            |         |
> |  +--------+   +--------+  | 
> |  |        |   |        |  | 
> |  |  C2    |   |  C4    |  | 
> |  |        |   |        |  | 
> |  | D      |   | D      |  | 
> |  +--------+   +--------+  | 
> |    |            |         | 
> |    |            |         | 
> |    |            |         | 
> |  +--------+   +--------+  | 
> |  |        |   |        |  | 
> |  |  C3    |   |  C5    |  | 
> |  |        |   |        |  | 
> |  | E      |   | E      |  | 
> |  +--------+   +--------+  | 
> |    |            |         | 
> |    |            |         |
> +----+            +---------+ 
> 
> 
> 
> Example 2:
> 
> 
>    +--------+
>    |        |
>    |  Root  |
>    |        | 
>    | A    F | 
>    +--------+ 
>      |    | 
>      |    +--------+
>      |             | 
>    +--------+  +--------+ 
>    |        |  |        | 
> +--|  C1    |  |  C4    | 
> |  |        |  |        | 
> |  | B      |  |        | 
> |  +--------+  +--------+ 
> |    | 
> |    | 
> |    | 
> |  +--------+ 
> |  |        | 
> |  |  C2    | 
> |  |        | 
> |  | D      | 
> |  +--------+ 
> |    | 
> |    | 
> |    | 
> |  +--------+ 
> |  |        | 
> |  |  C3    | 
> |  |        | 
> |  | E      | 
> |  +--------+ 
> |    | 
> |    | 
> +----+
> 
> 
> COPY /A/B to /F/G results in: 
> 
> 
>    +--------+
>    |        |
>    |  Root  |
>    |        | 
>    | A    F | 
>    +--------+ 
>      |    | 
>      |    +--------+
>      |             | 
>    +--------+  +--------+ 
>    |        |  |        | 
> +--|  C1    |  |  C4    |--+
> |  |        |  |        |  | 
> |  | B      |  | G      |  | 
> |  +--------+  +--------+  | 
> |    |           |         | 
> |    |           |         |
> |    |           |         | 
> |  +--------+  +--------+  | 
> |  |        |  |        |  |
> |  |  C2    |  |  C2    |  | 
> |  |        |  |        |  |
> |  | D      |  | D      |  | 
> |  +--------+  +--------+  | 
> |    |           |         | 
> |    |           |         | 
> |    |           |         | 
> |  +--------+  +--------+  | 
> |  |        |  |        |  | 
> |  |  C3    |  |  C3    |  | 
> |  |        |  |        |  | 
> |  | E      |  | E      |  | 
> |  +--------+  +--------+  | 
> |    |           |         | 
> |    |           |         | 
> +----+           +---------+
> 
> 
> 
> Are both these examples correct? 
> 
> thanks,
> Tim
> 

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<br><tt><font size=2>I believe in Example 1, the binding of C5 named E
should be to a new resource (e.g., C6), and C6 has a binding named B to
C4.</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>In Example 2, the two new members of C4 should be
new resources (e.g., C5 and C6), not C2 and C3 (that might have just been
a typo). &nbsp;And the binding of C6 named E should be a new resource (e.g.,
C7), and C7 has a binding named B to C5.</font></tt>
<br>
<br><tt><font size=2>So in each example, a copy never creates a binding
back to an existing resource, so 3 new resources would be created by the
copy.</font></tt>
<br>
<br><tt><font size=2>Cheers,</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size=2>Geoff</font></tt>
<br>
<br>
<br><tt><font size=2>Tim wrote on 08/25/2006 12:27:52 PM:<br>
<br>
&gt; Hello,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I just wanted to verify some examples my team and I have some up <br>
&gt; with with regard to COPY in the place of BIND loops.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Example 1:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;+--------+<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;Root &nbsp;|<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;| A &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; <br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;+--------+<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
&gt; +--| &nbsp;C1 &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| B &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; <br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
&gt; | &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;<br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| &nbsp;C2 &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;<br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| D &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; <br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
&gt; | &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| &nbsp;C3 &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| E &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; <br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
&gt; +----+ <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; COPY /A/B &nbsp;to &nbsp;/A/F &nbsp;results in:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;+--------+<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;Root &nbsp;|<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;| A &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; <br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;+--------+<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
&gt; +--| &nbsp;C1 &nbsp; &nbsp;|---------------+<br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; |<br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| B &nbsp; &nbsp;F | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; |<br>
&gt; | &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
| <br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; |<br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp;+-------+ &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
|<br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; |<br>
&gt; | &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; +--------+ &nbsp;| <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;| &nbsp;| <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| &nbsp;C2 &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; | &nbsp;C4 &nbsp; &nbsp;|
&nbsp;| <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;| &nbsp;| <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| D &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; | D &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|
&nbsp;| <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; +--------+ &nbsp;| <br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; | <br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; | <br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; | <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; +--------+ &nbsp;| <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;| &nbsp;| <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| &nbsp;C3 &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; | &nbsp;C5 &nbsp; &nbsp;|
&nbsp;| <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;| &nbsp;| <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| E &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; | E &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|
&nbsp;| <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; +--------+ &nbsp;| <br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; | <br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; |<br>
&gt; +----+ &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;+---------+ <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Example 2:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;+--------+<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;Root &nbsp;|<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;| A &nbsp; &nbsp;F | &nbsp; <br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; <br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp;+--------+<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; |
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp;+--------+ <br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp;| <br>
&gt; +--| &nbsp;C1 &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| &nbsp;C4 &nbsp; &nbsp;| <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| B &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|
&nbsp; <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; <br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
&gt; | &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;<br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| &nbsp;C2 &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;<br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| D &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; <br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
&gt; | &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| &nbsp;C3 &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| E &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; <br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
&gt; +----+<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; COPY /A/B to /F/G results in: <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;+--------+<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;Root &nbsp;|<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;| A &nbsp; &nbsp;F | &nbsp; <br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; <br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp;+--------+<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; |
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp;+--------+ <br>
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp;| <br>
&gt; +--| &nbsp;C1 &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| &nbsp;C4 &nbsp; &nbsp;|--+<br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;| &nbsp;| <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| B &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| G &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|
&nbsp;| <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp;| <br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; |<br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; | <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp;| <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;| &nbsp;|<br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| &nbsp;C2 &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| &nbsp;C2 &nbsp; &nbsp;|
&nbsp;| <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;| &nbsp;|<br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| D &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| D &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|
&nbsp;| <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp;| <br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; | <br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; | <br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; | <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp;| <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;| &nbsp;| <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| &nbsp;C3 &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| &nbsp;C3 &nbsp; &nbsp;|
&nbsp;| <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;| &nbsp;| <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;| E &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| E &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|
&nbsp;| <br>
&gt; | &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp;| <br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; | <br>
&gt; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; | <br>
&gt; +----+ &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +---------+<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Are both these examples correct? <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; thanks,<br>
&gt; Tim<br>
&gt; <br>
</font></tt>
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On 8/25/06, Geoffrey M Clemm <geoffrey.clemm@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>
>
> I believe in Example 1, the binding of C5 named E should be to a new
> resource (e.g., C6), and C6 has a binding named B to C4.
> In Example 2, the two new members of C4 should be new resources (e.g., C5
> and C6), not C2 and C3 (that might have just been a typo).  And the binding
> of C6 named E should be a new resource (e.g., C7), and C7 has a binding
> named B to C5.
>
> So in each example, a copy never creates a binding back to an existing
> resource, so 3 new resources would be created by the copy.
>

I see.  (yes, the C2 and C3 was a typo).

So is this correct?


Example 1

   +--------+
   |        |
   |  Root  |
   |        |
   | A      |
   +--------+
     |
     |
     |
   +--------+
   |        |
+--|  C1    |
|  |        |
|  | B      |
|  +--------+
|    |
|    |
|    |
|  +--------+
|  |        |
|  |  C2    |
|  |        |
|  | D      |
|  +--------+
|    |
|    |
|    |
|  +--------+
|  |        |
|  |  C3    |
|  |        |
|  | E      |
|  +--------+
|    |
|    |
+----+

COPY /A/B /A/F results in:


   +--------+
   |        |
   |  Root  |
   |        |
   | A      |
   +--------+
     |
     |
     |
   +--------+   +--------+
   |        |   |        |
+--|  C1    |   |  C4    |--+
|  |        |   |        |  |
|  | B    F |   |   B    |  |
|  +--------+   +--------+  |
|    |    |         |       |
|    |    +-------+ |       |
|    |            | |       |
|  +--------+   +--------+  |
|  |        |   |        |  |
|  |  C2    |   |  C4    |  |
|  |        |   |        |  |
|  | D      |   | D      |  |
|  +--------+   +--------+  |
|    |            |         |
|    |            |         |
|    |            |         |
|  +--------+   +--------+  |
|  |        |   |        |  |
|  |  C3    |   |  C5    |  |
|  |        |   |        |  |
|  | E      |   | E      |  |
|  +--------+   +--------+  |
|    |            |         |
|    |            |         |
+----+            +---------+




Example 2


   +--------+
   |        |
   |  Root  |
   |        |
   | A    F |
   +--------+
     |    |
     |    +--------+
     |             |
   +--------+  +--------+
   |        |  |        |
+--|  C1    |  |  C4    |
|  |        |  |        |
|  | B      |  |        |
|  +--------+  +--------+
|    |
|    |
|    |
|  +--------+
|  |        |
|  |  C2    |
|  |        |
|  | D      |
|  +--------+
|    |
|    |
|    |
|  +--------+
|  |        |
|  |  C3    |
|  |        |
|  | E      |
|  +--------+
|    |
|    |
+----+

COPY /A/B /F/G results in:


   +--------+
   |        |
   |  Root  |
   |        |
   | A    F |
   +--------+
     |    |
     |    +--------+
     |             |
   +--------+  +--------+  +--------+
   |        |  |        |  |        |
+--|  C1    |  |  C4    |  |  C7    |
|  |        |  |        |  |        |
|  | B      |  | G      |  | B      |
|  +--------+  +--------+  +--------+
|    |           |           |   |
|    |           |   +-------+   |
|    |           |   |           |
|  +--------+  +--------+        |
|  |        |  |        |        |
|  |  C2    |  |  C5    |        |
|  |        |  |        |        |
|  | D      |  | D      |        |
|  +--------+  +--------+        |
|    |           |               |
|    |           |               |
|    |           |               |
|  +--------+  +--------+        |
|  |        |  |        |        |
|  |  C3    |  |  C6    |        |
|  |        |  |        |        |
|  | E      |  | E      |        |
|  +--------+  +--------+        |
|    |           |               |
|    |           |               |
+----+           +---------------+

thanks,
Tim

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<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 8/25/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Geoffrey M Clemm</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:geoffrey.clemm@us.ibm.com">geoffrey.clemm@us.ibm.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>
<br><tt><font size="2">I believe in Example 1, the binding of C5 named E
should be to a new resource (e.g., C6), and C6 has a binding named B to
C4.</font></tt>
<br><tt><font size="2">In Example 2, the two new members of C4 should be
new resources (e.g., C5 and C6), not C2 and C3 (that might have just been
a typo). &nbsp;And the binding of C6 named E should be a new resource (e.g.,
C7), and C7 has a binding named B to C5.</font></tt>
<br>
<br><tt><font size="2">So in each example, a copy never creates a binding
back to an existing resource, so 3 new resources would be created by the
copy.</font></tt></div></blockquote><div><br>I see.&nbsp; (yes, the C2 and C3 was a typo).<br><br>So is this correct?<br><br><span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><br>Example 1<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; Root&nbsp; |<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp; | A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>+--|&nbsp; C1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; | B&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; 
<br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp; C2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; | D&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp; C3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; | E&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>+----+<br><br>COPY /A/B /A/F results in:<br>
<br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; Root&nbsp; |<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp; | A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>+--|&nbsp; C1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; C4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |--+
<br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; | B&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; F |&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; B&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +-------+ |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; | |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |
<br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp; C2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; C4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp; | D&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; | D&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |
<br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp; C3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; C5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp; | E&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; | E&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |
<br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>+----+&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +---------+<br><br><br><br><br>Example 2<br><br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; Root&nbsp; |<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp; | A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; F |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; +--------+ <br>&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; | <br>+--|&nbsp; C1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |&nbsp; C4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; | 
<br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; | B&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp; C2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; 
<br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; | D&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp; C3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp; | E&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>+----+<br><br>COPY /A/B /F/G results in:<br><br><br>&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; Root&nbsp; |<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp; | A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; F |&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>+--|&nbsp; C1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |&nbsp; C4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |&nbsp; C7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |
<br>|&nbsp; | B&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; | G&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; | B&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; +--------+<br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; +-------+&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |
<br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp; C2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |&nbsp; C5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp; | D&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; | D&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |
<br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp; C3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |&nbsp; C6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |
<br>|&nbsp; | E&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp; | E&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp; +--------+&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>|&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br>+----+&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +---------------+<br><br>thanks,<br>Tim<br></span>
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Yes, the revised diagrams are correct.

Cheers,
Geoff



On 8/25/06, Geoffrey M Clemm <geoffrey.clemm@us.ibm.com> wrote:

I believe in Example 1, the binding of C5 named E should be to a new 
resource (e.g., C6), and C6 has a binding named B to C4. 
In Example 2, the two new members of C4 should be new resources (e.g., C5 
and C6), not C2 and C3 (that might have just been a typo).  And the 
binding of C6 named E should be a new resource (e.g., C7), and C7 has a 
binding named B to C5. 

So in each example, a copy never creates a binding back to an existing 
resource, so 3 new resources would be created by the copy.

I see.  (yes, the C2 and C3 was a typo).

So is this correct?


Example 1

   +--------+
   |        | 
   |  Root  |
   |        | 
   | A      | 
   +--------+ 
     | 
     |
     |
   +--------+
   |        |
+--|  C1    |
|  |        | 
|  | B      | 
|  +--------+ 
|    | 
|    | 
|    | 
|  +--------+ 
|  |        | 
|  |  C2    | 
|  |        | 
|  | D      | 
|  +--------+ 
|    | 
|    | 
|    | 
|  +--------+ 
|  |        | 
|  |  C3    | 
|  |        | 
|  | E      | 
|  +--------+ 
|    | 
|    | 
+----+

COPY /A/B /A/F results in:


   +--------+
   |        |
   |  Root  |
   |        | 
   | A      | 
   +--------+ 
     | 
     |
     |
   +--------+   +--------+
   |        |   |        |
+--|  C1    |   |  C4    |--+ 
|  |        |   |        |  | 
|  | B    F |   |   B    |  | 
|  +--------+   +--------+  | 
|    |    |         |       |
|    |    +-------+ |       |
|    |            | |       | 
|  +--------+   +--------+  |
|  |        |   |        |  |
|  |  C2    |   |  C4    |  |
|  |        |   |        |  |
|  | D      |   | D      |  |
|  +--------+   +--------+  |
|    |            |         | 
|    |            |         |
|    |            |         |
|  +--------+   +--------+  |
|  |        |   |        |  |
|  |  C3    |   |  C5    |  |
|  |        |   |        |  |
|  | E      |   | E      |  | 
|  +--------+   +--------+  |
|    |            |         |
|    |            |         |
+----+            +---------+




Example 2


   +--------+
   |        |
   |  Root  |
   |        | 
   | A    F | 
   +--------+ 
     |    | 
     |    +--------+
     |             | 
   +--------+  +--------+ 
   |        |  |        | 
+--|  C1    |  |  C4    | 
|  |        |  |        | 
|  | B      |  |        | 
|  +--------+  +--------+ 
|    | 
|    | 
|    | 
|  +--------+ 
|  |        | 
|  |  C2    | 
|  |        | 
|  | D      | 
|  +--------+ 
|    | 
|    | 
|    | 
|  +--------+ 
|  |        | 
|  |  C3    | 
|  |        | 
|  | E      | 
|  +--------+ 
|    | 
|    | 
+----+

COPY /A/B /F/G results in:


   +--------+
   |        |
   |  Root  |
   |        | 
   | A    F | 
   +--------+ 
     |    | 
     |    +--------+
     |             | 
   +--------+  +--------+  +--------+ 
   |        |  |        |  |        |
+--|  C1    |  |  C4    |  |  C7    |
|  |        |  |        |  |        | 
|  | B      |  | G      |  | B      |
|  +--------+  +--------+  +--------+
|    |           |           |   |
|    |           |   +-------+   |
|    |           |   |           |
|  +--------+  +--------+        | 
|  |        |  |        |        |
|  |  C2    |  |  C5    |        |
|  |        |  |        |        |
|  | D      |  | D      |        |
|  +--------+  +--------+        |
|    |           |               | 
|    |           |               |
|    |           |               |
|  +--------+  +--------+        |
|  |        |  |        |        |
|  |  C3    |  |  C6    |        |
|  |        |  |        |        | 
|  | E      |  | E      |        |
|  +--------+  +--------+        |
|    |           |               |
|    |           |               |
+----+           +---------------+

thanks,
Tim

 



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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Yes, the revised diagrams are correct.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Cheers,</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Geoff</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=3>On 8/25/06, <b>Geoffrey M Clemm</b> &lt;</font><a href=mailto:geoffrey.clemm@us.ibm.com><font size=3 color=blue><u>geoffrey.clemm@us.ibm.com</u></font></a><font size=3>&gt;
wrote:</font>
<br><tt><font size=2><br>
I believe in Example 1, the binding of C5 named E should be to a new resource
(e.g., C6), and C6 has a binding named B to C4.</font></tt><font size=3>
</font><tt><font size=2><br>
In Example 2, the two new members of C4 should be new resources (e.g.,
C5 and C6), not C2 and C3 (that might have just been a typo). &nbsp;And
the binding of C6 named E should be a new resource (e.g., C7), and C7 has
a binding named B to C5.</font></tt><font size=3> <br>
</font><tt><font size=2><br>
So in each example, a copy never creates a binding back to an existing
resource, so 3 new resources would be created by the copy.</font></tt>
<br><font size=3><br>
I see. &nbsp;(yes, the C2 and C3 was a typo).<br>
<br>
So is this correct?<br>
</font><font size=3 face="Courier"><br>
<br>
Example 1<br>
<br>
 &nbsp; +--------+<br>
 &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| <br>
 &nbsp; | &nbsp;Root &nbsp;|<br>
 &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
 &nbsp; | A &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
 &nbsp; +--------+ &nbsp; <br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; |<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; |<br>
 &nbsp; +--------+<br>
 &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
+--| &nbsp;C1 &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
| &nbsp;| B &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
| &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; <br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
| &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; <br>
| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;<br>
| &nbsp;| &nbsp;C2 &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;<br>
| &nbsp;| D &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
| &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; <br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
| &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; <br>
| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
| &nbsp;| &nbsp;C3 &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
| &nbsp;| E &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
| &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; <br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
+----+<br>
<br>
COPY /A/B /A/F results in:<br>
<br>
<br>
 &nbsp; +--------+<br>
 &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
 &nbsp; | &nbsp;Root &nbsp;|<br>
 &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
 &nbsp; | A &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
 &nbsp; +--------+ &nbsp; <br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; |<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; |<br>
 &nbsp; +--------+ &nbsp; +--------+<br>
 &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
+--| &nbsp;C1 &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; | &nbsp;C4 &nbsp; &nbsp;|--+ <br>
| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|
&nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
| &nbsp;| B &nbsp; &nbsp;F | &nbsp; | &nbsp; B &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
| &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; +--------+ &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; |<br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp;+-------+ | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; |<br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| | &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; | <br>
| &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; +--------+ &nbsp;|<br>
| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|
&nbsp;|<br>
| &nbsp;| &nbsp;C2 &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; | &nbsp;C4 &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;|<br>
| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|
&nbsp;|<br>
| &nbsp;| D &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; | D &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;|<br>
| &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; +--------+ &nbsp;|<br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; | <br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; |<br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; |<br>
| &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; +--------+ &nbsp;|<br>
| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|
&nbsp;|<br>
| &nbsp;| &nbsp;C3 &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; | &nbsp;C5 &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;|<br>
| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|
&nbsp;|<br>
| &nbsp;| E &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; | E &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;|
<br>
| &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; +--------+ &nbsp;|<br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; |<br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; |<br>
+----+ &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;+---------+<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Example 2<br>
<br>
<br>
 &nbsp; +--------+<br>
 &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
 &nbsp; | &nbsp;Root &nbsp;|<br>
 &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
 &nbsp; | A &nbsp; &nbsp;F | &nbsp; <br>
 &nbsp; +--------+ &nbsp; <br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp;+--------+<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
 &nbsp; +--------+ &nbsp;+--------+ <br>
 &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|
<br>
+--| &nbsp;C1 &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| &nbsp;C4 &nbsp; &nbsp;| <br>
| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|
&nbsp; <br>
| &nbsp;| B &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|
&nbsp; <br>
| &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; <br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;<br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
| &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; <br>
| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;<br>
| &nbsp;| &nbsp;C2 &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;<br>
| &nbsp;| D &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
| &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; <br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
| &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; <br>
| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
| &nbsp;| &nbsp;C3 &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
| &nbsp;| E &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
| &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; <br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
+----+<br>
<br>
COPY /A/B /F/G results in:<br>
<br>
<br>
 &nbsp; +--------+<br>
 &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
 &nbsp; | &nbsp;Root &nbsp;|<br>
 &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; <br>
 &nbsp; | A &nbsp; &nbsp;F | &nbsp; <br>
 &nbsp; +--------+ &nbsp; <br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp;+--------+<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
 &nbsp; +--------+ &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; <br>
 &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|
&nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
+--| &nbsp;C1 &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| &nbsp;C4 &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| &nbsp;C7
&nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|
&nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| <br>
| &nbsp;| B &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| G &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;|
B &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
| &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp;+--------+<br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; |<br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; +-------+
&nbsp; |<br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; |<br>
| &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| <br>
| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
| &nbsp;| &nbsp;C2 &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| &nbsp;C5 &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
| &nbsp;| D &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| D &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
| &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; | <br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; |<br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; |<br>
| &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
| &nbsp;| &nbsp;C3 &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| &nbsp;C6 &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| <br>
| &nbsp;| E &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;| E &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
| &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp;+--------+ &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|<br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; |<br>
| &nbsp; &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; | &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; |<br>
+----+ &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +---------------+<br>
<br>
thanks,<br>
Tim</font><font size=3><br>
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Lisa asked for my delta format recently.
FWIW here the spec of my delta format.
This is from es.VCSBase.Mod. A WebDAV/DeltaV contribution package to the Native Oberon
system of Niklaus Wirth and Juerg Gutknecht of ETH Zuerich. 
Succeeeded by Bluebottle now (http://bluebottle.ethz.ch)
Please keep in mind that this is from the last millenium and wasn't meant to be 
scrutinized by "RFC professionals". It was written as a quick and dirty reminder
for me to remember the format of my delta files.

>From es.VCSBase.Mod:

$   1, Edgar.Schwarz@z.zgs.de, 31 Jan 99, 1:7:28
$ first version for new format
(** new delta file format
description
	(ci) = compressed integer in Oberon style
	(d) =  data as array of bytes
	tags = numbers coded as a byte
---------
DeltaFile =  # newest revision of file + deltas
	FormatName Flags Text 1{ Diff } .
FormatName = "dsfantf1" .
Flags = SET{31..1,MakroBit}.
Text = TextTag TextLen(ci) Text(d) .
Diff = # newer before older diffs
	DiffTag DiffLen(ci) OldTextLen(ci)
	Versiontag Version(ci)
	DateTag DateLen(ci) Date(d)
	AuthorTag AuthorLen(ci) Author(d)
	LogTextTag  LogTextLen(ci)  LogText(d)
	{ DeltaAddTag   AddLen(ci) AddData(d) 
	  | DeltaCopyTag CopyLen(ci) CopyOffset(ci) }
	[ AttachmentTag AttachmentLen(ci) Attachment(d) ] .
*)

So perhaps some remarks are useful:
- The email address given probably doesn't work anymore.
- (ci) is a number which uses as many bytes as necessary. 7 bits of a byte.
  The msb is used to show that another byte follows. Niklaus Wirth used such
  numbers in parts of his Native Oberon system.
- The new resource is created by:
  - Add: n bytes from delta.
  - Copy: n bytes from source. Referenced by an offset to a source file rider.
          Offset can be negative. So you can get some stretch repeatedly or move 
          parts of source around.
  - Attachment: add some miscellaneous data to a version. E.g. WebDAV properties.
          Not further specified yet.

That's all :-)

Some trivial extensions (For perhaps "dsfantf2") are
(Not checked for sanity. Just brainstorming):
- Use bit 7 of the tag byte to work with an additional source rider on the newly
  created resource for copy.
- Use bit 6 of the tag byte to specify absolute positioning instead of the moving
  rider offset.
- DeltaCallTag CallLen(ci) CallOffset(ci) could be used to define a sort of
  "functions" in the delta. "DeltaCallTag 0 offset" will skip a "function" definition.
- Use another target rider to patch the original resource for further copy/call
  tricks.
The "call" and targer rider stuff just came to my mind when I thought about possible
extensions of the format. Could give some tricky ways to "compress" data with patterns.

Now if anybody thinks that "dsfantf1" could be a simple mandatory delta format
for binary files with a PATCH I wouldn't mind. I would be surprised if you find
something similar enough to give IPR problems anywhere. But OTOH you never know.

Cheers, Edgar




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Hi Edgar,

thanks for the proposal. However, it's not easy to read. Perhaps you 
also have some simple real-world examples?

Related to that I spent some more time thinking at what formats are IMHO 
desirable:

1) A format for specifying text diffs,

2) A format that can transport simple changes to binary files, such as 
replacements, truncates and appends (that format may be useful for 
WebDAV clients that act as file system drivers),

3) potentially a patch format for XML.

Of these, 1) and 2) are well understood and probably simple to implement 
on the server-side. Now a specification of a PATCH format has reduced 
value if the client can't rely on some formats everybody understands. 
Does this mean that we would want to require support for 1) and 2)?

Requiring an XML patch format on the other hand IMHO would be premature, 
and probably not acceptable for a general purpose server.

So how do we get 1) and 2)?

The simplest possible approach for 1) seems to be writing down a concise 
description of the simple diff format, as created by the original Unix 
diff program (see 
<http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/000095399/utilities/diff.html>). I 
think we could get away with defining our profile of that format, and 
then refer to the ISO or IEEE spec. A precedent for that approach is 
RFC3339 (which describes a profile of ISO8601).

The simplest approach for 2) seems to define a new (binary) format that 
can capture POSIX file I/O operations on a byte stream (truncate, seek, 
write, additionally perhaps "copy range from source"). We may want to 
also define a profile that allows streaming (that is, disallows seeking 
back from the current position). If I would have to define the format, 
I'd probably model it similarly to the HTTP chunked encoding format 
(http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc2616.html#rfc.section.3.6.1) -- 
"plain text" instructions interleaved by binary content.

 From a procedural point of view I think it would be best to define 
these formats in separate documents, and let the PATCH spec just refer 
to them.

Best regards, Julian




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any bowl game in the nation, showcasing teams from the Big 12 and 
Southeastern Conferences. The Bowl has been televised on ESPN since 1992 to 
a national audience and has become a fixture of ESPN's Bowl Week. Last 
year's game, a thriller won by Missouri 38-31 over South Carolina, 
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the network.

The PetroSun Independence Bowl and ESPN, the worldwide leader in 
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game on ESPN through 2009.

"On behalf of our entire ESPN college football team, we are very 
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the 2009 game and we welcome PetroSun to what has been a tremendous 
partnership," said Dave Brown, ESPN's Vice-President of Programming and 
Acquisitions. "Many of college football's top programs and top players 
have visited the Ark-La-Tex region each year and we look forward to more 
great Big 12 vs. SEC games going forward. The Independence Bowl is 
truly a community event and we look forward to continuing to be a part of 
it."

The Independence Bowl can trace its roots back to 1975 when the board 
of directors of the Shreveport-Bossier City Sports Foundation conceived 
the idea of bringing a postseason football game to northwest Louisiana. 
Applying to the National Collegiate Athletic Association for 
certification, the group's efforts were rewarded with the approval of a December 
13, 1976 game. Past title partners include Poulan / WeedEater, Sanford 
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thanks to PetroSun stepping up as the title sponsor, and the extension 
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like this is a tribute to the hard work of so many people over the past 
30-plus years, and we couldn't be happier and more excited about the 
future of the PetroSun Independence Bowl."

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2006. PetroSun provides a comprehensive array of products and services to 
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with a proven ability to apply them effectively and safely within a 
disciplined ROI framework, creates long-term value for PetroSun shareholders 
and partners. PetroSun is headquartered in Phoenix.





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Julian Reschke schrieb:
> 
> Cullen Jennings schrieb:
>> I have worked through all the WG last call comments, had some calls with 
> 
> Well, it would be really nice if we could finish this. However, looking 
> at 
> <http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/draft-reschke-webdav-rfc2518bis-latest.html> 
> and 
> <http://ietf.osafoundation.org:8080/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?product=WebDAV-RFC2518-bis>, 
> there is still a lot to do.
> ...

I just spent several hours by going through [1] (where I had collected 
Last Call comments), and by entering new BugZilla issues [2] for many of 
them; including proposed text changes (I did enter many of them so that 
each of the issues is of manageable size).

I'm not nearly done with this (and I can't predict how much time I'll be 
able to allocate for this in the next weeks), but there's definitely 
quite a list of issues *with attached resolutions* that could go into a 
new draft.

Best regards, Julian

[1] 
<http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/draft-reschke-webdav-rfc2518bis-latest.html>
[2] 
<http://ietf.osafoundation.org:8080/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?product=WebDAV-RFC2518-bis&version=-15>




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Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:
> thanks for the proposal. However, it's not easy to read. Perhaps you 
> also have some simple real-world examples?
It's supposed to be sort of EBNF. Not more complex than your XML stuff I think :-)

> 2) A format that can transport simple changes to binary files, such as 
> replacements, truncates and appends (that format may be useful for 
> WebDAV clients that act as file system drivers),
With dsfantf1 (And probably also other binary diff formats).
replace:
	copy 0 to before replacement from source,
	copy replacement from delta,
	copy after replacement to end.
truncate:
	copy 0 to truncation point from source
append:
	copy 0 to last from source
	copy tail from delta
	
> The simplest approach for 2) seems to define a new (binary) format that 
> can capture POSIX file I/O operations on a byte stream (truncate, seek, 
> write, additionally perhaps "copy range from source"). 
As you can see you only need "copy from source" and "copy from delta".

> We may want to 
> also define a profile that allows streaming (that is, disallows seeking 
> back from the current position).
My given operations don't allow seeking back in the created resource.
truncate, seek and so on only make things more complex IMHO. They e.g. don`t
allow a simple replace with a different number of bytes.

> From a procedural point of view I think it would be best to define 
> these formats in separate documents, and let the PATCH spec just refer 
I disagree. For PATCH to be of any value at least one mandatory
delta format should be given. A binary format is enough.

So just define e.g. two operations:
   copy from source: offset, number of octets
   add from delta : number of octets, octets
So the replace operation e.g. could be:
c 0,12345 CRLF
a 10 CRLF
<10 octets> CRLF
c 5, 123456789012345 CRLF    # skipped 5 octets and append rest of source.

Do you really want to make a separate document for that ? Without at least
one general mandatory delta format PATCH doesn't make sense. So please keep
it together.
Anybody who wants to have more can define his own stuff.
Do you see any problems for implementors with these two operations ?
What fundamental features do you feel are missing ?

Cheers, Edgar





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edgar@edgarschwarz.de schrieb:
> I disagree. For PATCH to be of any value at least one mandatory
> delta format should be given. A binary format is enough.
> ...
> Do you really want to make a separate document for that ? Without at least
> one general mandatory delta format PATCH doesn't make sense. So please keep
> it together.
> ...

The question which formats are mandatory, and where they are defined is 
orthogonal. The patch format definitions could be in separate documents, 
  but support for them in PATCH still could be mandatory (whatever that 
means in practice...).

Best regards, Julian




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is scheduled for 3:30 p.m. Central time. The terms of the partnership 
agreement give PetroSun naming rights to the historic bowl through 2008.

"This is an exciting 0pp0rtunity for us on many levels. The 
Independence Bowl partnership provides PetroSun a terrific platform, nationally, 
to generate greater brand awareness and introduce to the public some of 
our renewable energy initiatives but it also provides a terrific 
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our active participation in charity organizations and sponsored 
community events," said Gordon LeBlanc, Jr., Chairman/CEO of PetroSun, Inc. 
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any bowl game in the nation, showcasing teams from the Big 12 and 
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a national audience and has become a fixture of ESPN's Bowl Week. Last 
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game on ESPN through 2009.

"On behalf of our entire ESPN college football team, we are very 
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the 2009 game and we welcome PetroSun to what has been a tremendous 
partnership," said Dave Brown, ESPN's Vice-President of Programming and 
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have visited the Ark-La-Tex region each year and we look forward to more 
great Big 12 vs. SEC games going forward. The Independence Bowl is 
truly a community event and we look forward to continuing to be a part of 
it."

The Independence Bowl can trace its roots back to 1975 when the board 
of directors of the Shreveport-Bossier City Sports Foundation conceived 
the idea of bringing a postseason football game to northwest Louisiana. 
Applying to the National Collegiate Athletic Association for 
certification, the group's efforts were rewarded with the approval of a December 
13, 1976 game. Past title partners include Poulan / WeedEater, Sanford 
Corporation, and MainStay Funds.

"The Independence Bowl has a great deal of history behind it, and now 
thanks to PetroSun stepping up as the title sponsor, and the extension 
with ESPN that takes us through 2009, our future looks better than 
ever," said Independence Bowl Executive Director Missy Setters. "We feel 
like this is a tribute to the hard work of so many people over the past 
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future of the PetroSun Independence Bowl."

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2006. PetroSun provides a comprehensive array of products and services to 
the oil industry. The company's cutting-edge technologies, combined 
with a proven ability to apply them effectively and safely within a 
disciplined ROI framework, creates long-term value for PetroSun shareholders 
and partners. PetroSun is headquartered in Phoenix.





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Current News

PetroSun Named Title Sponsor of The Independence Bowl

PetroSun Incorporated (PSUD - News) is pleased to announce that it has 
inked a deal to secure Title Sponsorship of the 2006 Independence Bowl 
which will be held on Thursday, December 28 in Shreveport, LA. Kickoff 
is scheduled for 3:30 p.m. Central time. The terms of the partnership 
agreement give PetroSun naming rights to the historic bowl through 2008.

"This is an exciting 0pp0rtunity for us on many levels. The 
Independence Bowl partnership provides PetroSun a terrific platform, nationally, 
to generate greater brand awareness and introduce to the public some of 
our renewable energy initiatives but it also provides a terrific 
0pp0rtunity for the company to make a difference at the local level, through 
our active participation in charity organizations and sponsored 
community events," said Gordon LeBlanc, Jr., Chairman/CEO of PetroSun, Inc. 
"My wife and I were both raised in the Shreveport-Bossier area, so it's a 
homecoming of sorts for us. We have always been familiar with the 
Independence Bowl and its strong history and we're excited, along with 
Rayfield Wright, to be a part of this event and this community."

The Independence Bowl provides one of the most attractive match-ups of 
any bowl game in the nation, showcasing teams from the Big 12 and 
Southeastern Conferences. The Bowl has been televised on ESPN since 1992 to 
a national audience and has become a fixture of ESPN's Bowl Week. Last 
year's game, a thriller won by Missouri 38-31 over South Carolina, 
garnered a 2.75 TV rating, ranking it sixth out of 20 bowl games carried on 
the network.

The PetroSun Independence Bowl and ESPN, the worldwide leader in 
sports, also reached an agreement today for a contract extension, keeping the 
game on ESPN through 2009.

"On behalf of our entire ESPN college football team, we are very 
pleased to extend our 15-year relationship with the Independence Bowl through 
the 2009 game and we welcome PetroSun to what has been a tremendous 
partnership," said Dave Brown, ESPN's Vice-President of Programming and 
Acquisitions. "Many of college football's top programs and top players 
have visited the Ark-La-Tex region each year and we look forward to more 
great Big 12 vs. SEC games going forward. The Independence Bowl is 
truly a community event and we look forward to continuing to be a part of 
it."

The Independence Bowl can trace its roots back to 1975 when the board 
of directors of the Shreveport-Bossier City Sports Foundation conceived 
the idea of bringing a postseason football game to northwest Louisiana. 
Applying to the National Collegiate Athletic Association for 
certification, the group's efforts were rewarded with the approval of a December 
13, 1976 game. Past title partners include Poulan / WeedEater, Sanford 
Corporation, and MainStay Funds.

"The Independence Bowl has a great deal of history behind it, and now 
thanks to PetroSun stepping up as the title sponsor, and the extension 
with ESPN that takes us through 2009, our future looks better than 
ever," said Independence Bowl Executive Director Missy Setters. "We feel 
like this is a tribute to the hard work of so many people over the past 
30-plus years, and we couldn't be happier and more excited about the 
future of the PetroSun Independence Bowl."

About PetroSun

PetroSun's current operations are concentrated in the Ark-La-Tex region 
with plans to expand into New Mexico, Arizona, Utah and Australia in 
2006. PetroSun provides a comprehensive array of products and services to 
the oil industry. The company's cutting-edge technologies, combined 
with a proven ability to apply them effectively and safely within a 
disciplined ROI framework, creates long-term value for PetroSun shareholders 
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W a t c h   o u t!

ALILANCE ETNERPRISE (AE TR)
Crurent Pirce: 0.80
Add this g e m to your w atch list, and wat ch it tard closely!

Nwes Rleease!

Teacorp announces breackrough in removing deadly land mines.

Mill Valley, California August 25, 2006 - The Allinace Enteprrise Coropration announced today a breakthrough in developing an Areial Landmnie Sysetm aimed at locating, detecting and mapping deadly landm ines.

TaeCrop's mission is to reclaim lands around the globe embedded with landm ines that victimize countries and their stakeholders.

More than 100 m i l l i o n landmine s in 83 countries are holding international communities and industries hostage, preventing the inv estment in and development of pro ductive lands and the re-building of infrastructure. A broad variety of landmine s have been scattered over prod uctive areas effectively crippling the ec onomy and disabling thousands of children and adults.  There are no reliable records that accurately show where these d e v a s t a t i n g l andmines lie in wait for their vict ims.
 
With the present day c osts to clear a single land mine ranging between $1,000 to $1,500, solving the problem of de-mining lands will reach billions of dol lars.  TaeCorp has developed a technology based, cos t effective solution to this problem using its three tiered approach to scanning, mapping and removing landm ines. TaeCorp's System will provide many social and eco nomic benefit s to countries and their industries including oil and gas, mining, agriculture, roads and infrastructure development.

About TaeCorp.

TaeCorp's vision is to be the recognized leader in providing Areial Detectoin Sytsems including global de-mining, clearing a path to a safer planet for all humankind.

Here comes the big one! 
All signs show that A ETR is going to Explode!

Con clusion:
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	        	ATTENTION ALL DAY TRADERS AND INVESTORS. GET ON EQTD!
			INVESTOR ALERT! DON'T MISS ANOTHER RUN ON EQTD!!!
			SOMEBODY KNOWS SOMETHING!!! WATCH IT EXPLODE ON MONDAY!!!
			WATCH EQTD LIKE A HAWK ON MONDAY August 27, 2006

Company: EQUAL TRADING INC
Ticker: EQTD
Current Price:  $0.015
Monday's Target Price:  $0.10
Recommendation: STRONG-BUY
Price Increase Expec: Max
Market Cap:	10.38M
Huge Volume expected, don't miss the chance.
Get on EQTD First Thing on MONDAY 27 august 2006 !!!



BREAKING NEWS:
Equal Trading, Inc. Acquires Gold, Silver and Copper Property in Vancouver Island, British 
Columbia, Canada.CHICAGO, ILLINOIS--(MARKET WIRE)-- Equal Trading, Inc. (Other OTC:EQTD.PK
- News) is pleased to announce that its subsidiary Equal Gold, Inc., has acquired a minerals
rights in 62.4 acres of a prime gold, silver and copper property in Vancouver Island, British
Columbia, Canada. The Arrowsmith properties are located 1.2 kilometers south from the east tip
of Cameron Lake, 20 kilometers west from the town of Parksville in Vancouver Island, BC,
Canada.nts.

The Arrowsmith occurrence is underlain by massive and locally porphyritic andesite of the Upper 
Triassic Karmutsen Formation (Vancouver Group) near the fault contact with an extensive body of 
diorite 2.4 kilometres to the east. The andesite is cut by several shear zones up to 6 meters in 
width. Mineralization consists of chalcopyrite, bornite, pyrrhotite and pyrite hosted in quartz 
veins and vein lets up to 60 centimeters wide in a shear zone. The vein lets strike 210 degrees. 
Some minor fault offsets of the veins are evident. An altered limestone bed 4.5 to 6 meters wide 
occurs locally in the andesite and carries minor disseminated chalcopyrite. A grab sample across 
1.2 meters from a lower adit assayed deposits of 6.8 grams per ton of Gold, 27.4 grams per ton of 
Silver and 9.05 per cent Copper.

Past work included two adits, some crosscutting and a winze developed along the shear zone. One adit 
is at 454 meters elevation and the second is at 480 meters elevation (ASL). Surface work consisted of 
stripping and pits.There is good infrastructure nearby, which will facilitate the mining and transportation 
in a timely and cost efficient manner. Equal Gold plans to expand further the exploration program on 
Arrowsmith concessions.

Vijay Raichura, President of Equal Trading, Inc., states, "The new direction will consolidate our position 
as a leading junior gold, silver and copper player in the near future. I am very pleased with the location 
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The Arrowsmith concession provides a major target for exploration in one of the most active gold-silver-copper 
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About EQUAL TRADING INC:
Equal Trading, Inc. an equity trading company has now embarked on a focus of responsible development, exploration, 
and exploitation of precious metal resources in North America. EQTD is an emerging junior gold, silver and copper 
mining company financially well connected, coupled with a strong management and technical team focused on exploiting 
gold, silver and copper in North America.

	ADD THIS GEM TO YOUR RADAR AND WATCH IT TRADE ON MONDAY, AUGUST 27,2006!!!
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W a t c h   o u t!

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Curernt Pirce: 0.80
Add this g e m to your wat ch list, and watc h it tard closely!

Nwes Rleease!

Taceorp announces breackrough in removing deadly land mines.

Mill Valley, California August 25, 2006 - The Alilance Enterrpise Croporation announced today a breakthrough in developing an Areial Landimne Ssytem aimed at locating, detecting and mapping deadly landm ines.

TeaCorp's mission is to reclaim lands around the globe embedded with la ndmines that victimize countries and their stakeholders.

More than 100 m i l l i o n landm ines in 83 countries are holding international communities and industries hostage, preventing the investme nt in and development of p roductive lands and the re-building of infrastructure. A broad variety of landmine s have been scattered over prod uctive areas effectively crippling the ec onomy and disabling thousands of children and adults.  There are no reliable records that accurately show where these d e v a s t a t i n g landmin es lie in wait for their vi ctims.
 
With the present day c osts to clear a single land mine ranging between $1,000 to $1,500, solving the problem of de-mining lands will reach billions of do llars.  TaeCorp has developed a technology based, cos t effective solution to this problem using its three tiered approach to scanning, mapping and removing landmi nes. TaeCorp's System will provide many social and econom ic benefit s to countries and their industries including oil and gas, mining, agriculture, roads and infrastructure development.

About TaeCorp.

TaeCorp's vision is to be the recognized leader in providing Aerail Deetction Systmes including global de-mining, clearing a path to a safer planet for all humankind.

Here comes the big one! 
All signs show that A ETR is going to Explode!

Concl usion:
The examples above show the awesome, earning potential of little known companies that explode onto ivnestor's radar screens; Many of you are already familiar with this. Is A ETR poised and positioned to do that for you? Then you may feel the time has come to act... And please watch this one tarde tomorrow! Go A ETR.
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Hi,

I posted the current state of the BIND draft as the previous one just 
expired. As this is a working group work item which has passed several 
last calls (hint, hint), I thought having a non-expired fresh copy makes 
sense.

Changes were purely editorial, see 
<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-webdav-bind-15#page-37>.

Best regards, Julian



Internet-Drafts@ietf.org schrieb:
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> 	Title		: Binding Extensions to Web Distributed Authoring and Versioning (WebDAV)
> 	Author(s)	: G. Clemm, et al.
> 	Filename	: draft-ietf-webdav-bind-15.txt
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The DeltaV RFC clarifies that the preexisting destination resource of
an overwriting COPY "MUST NOT be deleted, but MUST be updated to have
the content and dead properties of [the source]" (Sec 1.7).

Likewise, the latest BIND draft specifies that a "COPY that updates an
existing resource must not change the value of its DAV:resource-id
property" (Sec 2.7).

The DeltaV RFC stipulates, however, that one is only required to avoid
deleting the desitination resource if it "has the same resource type
as the corresponding resource at the request-URL" (Sec 1.7).  It does
not appear that the BIND draft makes any similar statement.

My question is, if I want to overwrite one type of resource (say a
collection) with another (say a regular resource representing a file),
does the resource-id of the destination have to stay the same?

thanks,
Tim




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Tim Olsen schrieb:
> 
> The DeltaV RFC clarifies that the preexisting destination resource of
> an overwriting COPY "MUST NOT be deleted, but MUST be updated to have
> the content and dead properties of [the source]" (Sec 1.7).
> 
> Likewise, the latest BIND draft specifies that a "COPY that updates an
> existing resource must not change the value of its DAV:resource-id
> property" (Sec 2.7).
> 
> The DeltaV RFC stipulates, however, that one is only required to avoid
> deleting the desitination resource if it "has the same resource type
> as the corresponding resource at the request-URL" (Sec 1.7).  It does
> not appear that the BIND draft makes any similar statement.
> 
> My question is, if I want to overwrite one type of resource (say a
> collection) with another (say a regular resource representing a file),
> does the resource-id of the destination have to stay the same?

I would say that depends on your implementation. If you have a way to 
turn an existing collection into a file (which I think would be an 
exotic feature...), then the resource-id indeed should stay the same. On 
the other hand, if your server internally deletes the collection and 
creates a new resource in place, assigning a new resource-id is the 
right thing to do.

The import point being here that none of the specs requires you to keep 
the resource-in in this case.

Best regards, Julian




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Hi,

as a follow up to BugZilla issue 247 
(http://ietf.osafoundation.org:8080/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=247>) which 
I opened a few days ago (but which was originally raised during Last 
Call) I'm currently confused by statements like:

    COPY/MOVE behaviour:  This property value SHOULD be kept during a
       MOVE operation, but is normally re-initialized when a resource is
       created with a COPY.  It should not be set in a COPY.

(see 
<http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/draft-ietf-webdav-rfc2518bis-15.html#rfc.section.15.1>).

Questions:

1) When a resource is being created, shouldn't DAV:creationdate *always* 
be set (by definition?)

2) What does "should not be set in a COPY" mean? What does "in a COPY" 
refer to?

There are similar problems with other COPY/MOVE behaviour statements, 
but maybe we can focus on this one first...

Best regards, Julian




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Hi Julian,

Julian Reschke wrote:
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> as a follow up to BugZilla issue 247
> (http://ietf.osafoundation.org:8080/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D247>) wh=
ich
> I opened a few days ago (but which was originally raised during Last
> Call) I'm currently confused by statements like:
>=20
>    COPY/MOVE behaviour:  This property value SHOULD be kept during a
>       MOVE operation, but is normally re-initialized when a resource is
>       created with a COPY.  It should not be set in a COPY.
>=20
> (see
> <http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/draft-ietf-webdav-rfc2518bis-15.html#=
rfc.section.15.1>).
>=20
>=20
> Questions:
>=20
> 1) When a resource is being created, shouldn't DAV:creationdate *always=
*
> be set (by definition?)

My understanding of this is that the property is indeed set when a new
resource is created during a COPY.

>=20
> 2) What does "should not be set in a COPY" mean? What does "in a COPY"
> refer to?

I think this refers to the case when an existing resource is overwritten.
The creationdate shouldn't be updated because the resource is merely
being updated. The getlastmodified property on the other hand would be
set, but to the value corresponding to the time of the COPY operation.

>=20
> There are similar problems with other COPY/MOVE behaviour statements,
> but maybe we can focus on this one first...
>=20
> Best regards, Julian
>=20
>=20
>=20

Best regards,

Werner.
--=20
Werner Donn=E9  --  Re
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Hi Werner,

Werner Donn=E9 wrote:
> Hi Julian,
>
> Julian Reschke wrote:
>  =20
>> Hi,
>>
>> as a follow up to BugZilla issue 247
>> (http://ietf.osafoundation.org:8080/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D247>) w=
hich
>> I opened a few days ago (but which was originally raised during Last
>> Call) I'm currently confused by statements like:
>>
>>    COPY/MOVE behaviour:  This property value SHOULD be kept during a
>>       MOVE operation, but is normally re-initialized when a resource i=
s
>>       created with a COPY.  It should not be set in a COPY.
>>
>> (see
>> <http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/draft-ietf-webdav-rfc2518bis-15.html=
#rfc.section.15.1>).
>>
>>
>> Questions:
>>
>> 1) When a resource is being created, shouldn't DAV:creationdate *alway=
s*
>> be set (by definition?)
>>    =20
>
> My understanding of this is that the property is indeed set when a new
> resource is created during a COPY.
>
>  =20
Yes, but as Julian pointed out, there is nothing special about a=20
resource created by a COPY (compared to resources created by any other=20
method). So what is the statement good for?

>> 2) What does "should not be set in a COPY" mean? What does "in a COPY"
>> refer to?
>>    =20
>
> I think this refers to the case when an existing resource is overwritte=
n.
> The creationdate shouldn't be updated because the resource is merely
> being updated. The getlastmodified property on the other hand would be
> set, but to the value corresponding to the time of the COPY operation.
>
>  =20
It is indeed possible that this meaning is intended. If so, one should=20
at least change the wording in a way that this meaning is clear, but I'd=20
prefer to remove the statement. Either a resource is created during the=20
COPY or not, and this property behaves accordingly. I think this is=20
pretty clear.

>> There are similar problems with other COPY/MOVE behaviour statements,
>> but maybe we can focus on this one first...
>>
>> Best regards, Julian
>>
>>
>>
>>    =20
>
> Best regards,
>
> Werner.
>  =20

Regards,
Manfred


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Hi Werner,<br>
<br>
Werner Donn=E9 wrote:
<blockquote cite=3D"mid44F5BC4B.5060907@re.be" type=3D"cite">
  <pre wrap=3D"">Hi Julian,

Julian Reschke wrote:
  </pre>
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    <pre wrap=3D"">Hi,

as a follow up to BugZilla issue 247
(<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://ietf.osafoundation.org=
:8080/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D247">http://ietf.osafoundation.org:8080/=
bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D247</a>&gt;) which
I opened a few days ago (but which was originally raised during Last
Call) I'm currently confused by statements like:

   COPY/MOVE behaviour:  This property value SHOULD be kept during a
      MOVE operation, but is normally re-initialized when a resource is
      created with a COPY.  It should not be set in a COPY.

(see
<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"http://greenbytes.de/tech/webd=
av/draft-ietf-webdav-rfc2518bis-15.html#rfc.section.15.1">&lt;http://gree=
nbytes.de/tech/webdav/draft-ietf-webdav-rfc2518bis-15.html#rfc.section.15=
.1&gt;</a>).


Questions:

1) When a resource is being created, shouldn't DAV:creationdate *always*
be set (by definition?)
    </pre>
  </blockquote>
  <pre wrap=3D""><!---->
My understanding of this is that the property is indeed set when a new
resource is created during a COPY.

  </pre>
</blockquote>
Yes, but as Julian pointed out, there is nothing special about a
resource created by a COPY (compared to resources created by any other
method). So what is the statement good for?<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite=3D"mid44F5BC4B.5060907@re.be" type=3D"cite">
  <pre wrap=3D""></pre>
  <blockquote type=3D"cite">
    <pre wrap=3D"">2) What does "should not be set in a COPY" mean? What =
does "in a COPY"
refer to?
    </pre>
  </blockquote>
  <pre wrap=3D""><!---->
I think this refers to the case when an existing resource is overwritten.
The creationdate shouldn't be updated because the resource is merely
being updated. The getlastmodified property on the other hand would be
set, but to the value corresponding to the time of the COPY operation.

  </pre>
</blockquote>
It is indeed possible that this meaning is intended. If so, one should
at least change the wording in a way that this meaning is clear, but
I'd prefer to remove the statement. Either a resource is created during
the COPY or not, and this property behaves accordingly. I think this is
pretty clear.<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite=3D"mid44F5BC4B.5060907@re.be" type=3D"cite">
  <pre wrap=3D""></pre>
  <blockquote type=3D"cite">
    <pre wrap=3D"">There are similar problems with other COPY/MOVE behavi=
our statements,
but maybe we can focus on this one first...

Best regards, Julian



    </pre>
  </blockquote>
  <pre wrap=3D""><!---->
Best regards,

Werner.
  </pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Manfred<br>
<br>
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Hi Manfred,

I agree that the statement is not needed. Perhaps it stems from
what is written in section 8.8.2 about live properties.

Regards,

Werner.

Manfred Baedke wrote:
> Hi Werner,
>=20
> Werner Donn=E9 wrote:
>> Hi Julian,
>>
>> Julian Reschke wrote:
>>  =20
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> as a follow up to BugZilla issue 247
>>> (http://ietf.osafoundation.org:8080/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D247>) =
which
>>> I opened a few days ago (but which was originally raised during Last
>>> Call) I'm currently confused by statements like:
>>>
>>>    COPY/MOVE behaviour:  This property value SHOULD be kept during a
>>>       MOVE operation, but is normally re-initialized when a resource =
is
>>>       created with a COPY.  It should not be set in a COPY.
>>>
>>> (see
>>> <http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/draft-ietf-webdav-rfc2518bis-15.htm=
l#rfc.section.15.1>).
>>>
>>>
>>> Questions:
>>>
>>> 1) When a resource is being created, shouldn't DAV:creationdate *alwa=
ys*
>>> be set (by definition?)
>>>    =20
>>
>> My understanding of this is that the property is indeed set when a new
>> resource is created during a COPY.
>>
>>  =20
> Yes, but as Julian pointed out, there is nothing special about a
> resource created by a COPY (compared to resources created by any other
> method). So what is the statement good for?
>=20
>>> 2) What does "should not be set in a COPY" mean? What does "in a COPY=
"
>>> refer to?
>>>    =20
>>
>> I think this refers to the case when an existing resource is overwritt=
en.
>> The creationdate shouldn't be updated because the resource is merely
>> being updated. The getlastmodified property on the other hand would be
>> set, but to the value corresponding to the time of the COPY operation.
>>
>>  =20
> It is indeed possible that this meaning is intended. If so, one should
> at least change the wording in a way that this meaning is clear, but I'=
d
> prefer to remove the statement. Either a resource is created during the
> COPY or not, and this property behaves accordingly. I think this is
> pretty clear.
>=20
>>> There are similar problems with other COPY/MOVE behaviour statements,
>>> but maybe we can focus on this one first...
>>>
>>> Best regards, Julian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    =20
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Werner.
>>  =20
>=20
> Regards,
> Manfred
>=20

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Hi Werner,

Werner Donn=E9 wrote:
> Hi Manfred,
>
> I agree that the statement is not needed. Perhaps it stems from
> what is written in section 8.8.2 about live properties.
>  =20
Section 8.8.2 does not exist in RFC2518bis, only in RFC2518, so it has=20
no relevance here.

Regards,
Manfred






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